Canada Adds — Then Drops — U.S. From ‘Torture List’

It’s too bad Canada allowed itself to be bullied by the Bush administration. The Israeli’s are bruatally supressing a whole nation of people, but don’t criticize them or litlle Bush will get mad.

Cheney threatened Canada no doubt. The most evil American of all time: Dick Darth Cheney.

How can the US Gov’t ask to be taken off this list when they can’t even define “torture”?

canada wouldnt exist if it wasnt for america, mexico wouldve invaded them years ago

Too bad on the change, They had it right the first time. America does torture, We have photo evidence. on it. and not to include the tape that was secretly destroyed for no reason, other than to hide; the fact that we do implament torture. I’ts amasing how on on side of the wall people a deprived on the other side of the wall people live in luxury. If I was a Palestinian I would never put up with what, Isreal forces down the Palestinian people. In fact I know if Americans had to suffer like that, we would of taken over their country. Torture is WRONG AND EVIL, no good intellegance can come from someone being tortured.

I’m an American and am disappointed in Canada for backing off. The Bush Administration is a pack of bullies and liars, and I am ashamed of this administration. Get back on track Canada and stick to your guns.

WOW, too bad Canada backed down. We do torture prisoners but not in the USA…we take them to israel and beat the hell out of them there! Unfortunatly Canada has fallen to King George too. We are all lost sheeple.

It is far sadder that Canada capitulated to American threats than was the sanitizing of their list. Everyone already knows that US policy includes torture. In this case, the listing of governments that torturer was superfluous.

Wow, it seems that I have stumbled on a nest of cry-babies. If you want to feel torture then find yourselves on the receiving end of an islamic terrorist sawing your head off slowly as you are restrained and unable to fight. Those last moments of your life will be more terrifying than any of our tactics for gaining American life saving information from those who kill without feeling and take pride in mutilating the innocence of women and children. When I meet people like you on the street I excercise my freedom expression and I never miss an opportunity to defeat you. I look forward to meeting those like you, I seek them out and I always win. You are a plague on the earth. All you have ever achieved is to be oxygen breathing sewage.

Canada was right, of course the U.S. tortures people! Let’s not forget abu ghraib or the technique of “waterboarding” used by the military to elicit confessions/information from detainees.
Every day in this country there are documented incidents of our citizens being tased into compliance (or death) by power hungry, egotistical trained killers (a.k.a. police)for things like refusing signing traffic tickets, not removing their hats and protesting. One woman was tased up to 19 times while in custody. If being hit with 50,000 volts of electricity isn’t torture then I don’t know what is.
It really makes you wonder what the U.S. government said to the Canadian government in order for them to rescind their all too spot on observation.

Funny … the USA aided in the torture of Maher Arar, and then rather than admit that it screwed up (and pay compensation to the man), despite the lack of evidence, the American Government still believes that Maher Arar is a terrorist …

U.S. and Isreal torturing? ON NO!!! Saddam was shocking people, gassing Kurds, raping women before the first Gulf War. Osama Bin Laden is beheading and blowing up innocent people. You ask the families of those who died on 9/11 on who is torturing who? All of you young bucks who only woke up to recent history and sucked up Osama’s propaganda and forgot the past better do some deep researching and not from biased activists either. I can hear you now, claiming our government has concentration camps likened to Hitlers Final Solution. Remember, its got to be true, “its on the internet”. Wake up! You people are so dulled to these threats to destroy your life sitting on your comfy couch in your parents basement playing on your computer World of Warcraft and somehow this makes you an expert armchair general.

Amen to that NickS!

Why is everyone putting Canada down. I’m an American and can see where they might have gotten that impression. Bush doesn’t do anything but what he wants to do. He makes up his rules as he goes along. What does everyone think goes on at Gitmo? I assure you it isn’t a tea party.

All Bush supporters and everyone should be waterboarded fully,along with other torture tactics the Bush criminal enteprise uses.We’re becoming like the evil nations we oppose. Thanks Bush and Cheney for ruining America as we know it. Our forefathers are spinning in their graves thanks to the Neocon fascist agenda. All Neocon traitors should be exiled.

Sad, sad, sad, now that Canada has to lie now too!
Torture is torture no matter who is doing it!

David Wilkins is the US ambassador to Canada not China

Quite frankly, if the shoe fits then wear it and don’t demure from your new character.

I am a proud Canadian with close relatives that are American. The United States Government does not even support its own wounded soilders that come back from Iraq!! From what I see and hear those poor soliders are being “tortured” every day as well as their families.
I can go anywhere in the world and wear the Canadian flag….can you???? Of course the US has tortured people….is your memory that short????
Hopefully the next election someone with half a brain will be elected…I dont care if its a woman, African American, Christian, Muslim…whatever….but my god let them have a conscience…..God Bless NORTH AMERICA!!!!!

We all know this was not a little slip from the Canadians. That country is so pacifist controlled they would let the rest of the world become a pile of ash before they would say a word – doubtful even then. I know there are some decent people that live there but they get ganged up and insulted endlessly everytime they speak up against the liberal extremists that control the government. Nice place with a Nuthouse Government.

……..DOH!……..
Was Homer running things?

I am a proud Canadian Jew. And don’t understand the whole “if you can’t beat them join them” view on torture or better yet “the end justify the means”. I understand that it was wrong for Saddam to gas the kurds but was it not also wrong for the USA to imprision thousands at Abu Gharib, torture them, kill one or two and at the end of the day all were released and not one person was every charged with anything!
The united states (and/or Israel) cannot use as an arguement for torture “they do it and so we have to”. Otherwise don’t we become more like the terrorist’s that we are fughting against. Let’s see under bush/cheny the usa has stoped being the great state that it once was and has descended towards below average at an alarming rate. The state tortures, can’t pay its bills and spy’s on its citizens! And the fact that there are not citizens in the street demanding that the troops come home tomorrow scares the crap out of me. Does this useless war with iraq have to cost the usa $2 trillion before you bring them home?
I am sad that our government (which supplies the USA with just over 70% of their oil. So anytime you think you might want to drive tanks into our back yard think about how you would get them
there)crumbled in the face of the truth about the USA and Israeli government.

Just wait until “9/ll” happens to Canada….”Torture”? Heck, people will want “them” hung on the light posts. So much for being civilized…
By-the-way….There ARE terrorist’s up here, waiting…..It’s just a matter of time.

Canada is currently under a minority Conservative government which can be brought down at any given time with a vote of confidence in the House. This minority government has been there for almost 2 years and a federal election is expected for this year where the ruling Conservatives will require the cooperation of big money and the media. Consequently, the immediate removal of Israel from the list was generally expected because, as they say on the street, some block-votes are more essential than others to win a federal election in Canada. The rapid removal of the USA from the list — one week after the US President threatened to veto any Congressional bill prohibiting torture — was a shameful act of cowardice. I cannot find a kinder word to describe it, I’m afraid.

Do you suppose that everyone would be happy if we gave the people who plan to destroy the US a cookie and asked them politely what their plan is going to be? Please people. When we are attacked again on our on soil in the magnitude in which these people desire, it will be too late. Really if you think about it, all the extremist of the world have to do is wait until we implode from stupidity.

Who would Jesus torture? We all know he would never endorse torture no matter what. Anyone who tortures or supports torture is a traitor to the American way. Neocons and their supporters are traitors to the true American way. The worst Americans ever! Totally un-Christian too! They’re cowards afraid of their own shadows.

My apologies to Roy, it is actually Mark who made the remark about Canada being invaded by Mexico were it not for the U.S. Just because we don’t warmonger doesn’t mean we are weak.

I agree with the 911 comments.If any form of terrorism happened in Canada. USA would be the first ones there to help the Canadians. Canada would take advantage of that situation as much as they could until they didn’t need us anymore, then it would be back to USA bashing. People who live in the USA and bash their own county should move! Could you defend yourself and country alone? Too many people are living in a fools paradise. The US is always running to someones aid. Someone spoke about US aggression, are we suppose to sit back and let every nation in the world be bombed by terrorists, are we suppose to let them just come over here and attack us. Who is going to solve these global issues? Canada? Let them go, let them take the torch! Give our military some R & R, we’d all be dead in a month. Let me tell you it doesn’t matter, if it’s Bush or Clinton or Reagan or Carter, stop bashing people cause it only changes ever so slightly.They are all trying to do a rather difficult job, I can’t imagine being President of the United States as being a simple position.

the Canadian Government apologized to the u.s.government .it doesn”t mean the canadian people did, the canadians know bush is a war criminal just like the rest of the world knows it. The harper government won”t have my vote ,next elections , he”s like bush ,his only concern is about power and greed. get rid of CFF candidates.

Remove it? As a Canadian Citizen I belive they got it right the first time. Don’t get me wrong, we are just as guilty as citizens of Canada to alow our government to continue to work with the bush administration on thier goals and agendas first rather then do what is right for her own people. The prime example is Mr. Arar for our government practicaly haned him over knowing full well what would happen to him only going by the word of Federal US agents without protecting and doing our proper backtrack on him to find out for sure. Then again why should there be suprised in that? The two major political parties in Canada receve most of there funding from US Corporations with bush connections and wouldn’t want to lose that nice flow of cash in thier back pocket by alowing the truth to be printed and bite the hand that feeds them.
As a Canadian I am sad to say that my government is not my own. It does not represent myself or other citizens of the nation. The government of Canada sold it self off and represents the interests of foren powers. Any american can state here that I should shut up and worry what the terrorists will do for saying such a thing, but I’m not worried about them… for the real terrorists already have my nation and they are bleeding it dry.

How did so many Americans become deluded to the point of imagining that the U.S. tortures prisioners?
My opinion is that the “blame America first” media has brain washed them.

When canada is attacked, then you peace and love hippies can talk about torture. Until then, SU. When we start decapitating, electrocuting, dismemberment, then you can say we torture. Water boarding is not torture, not eating for a day or two is not torture, standing long hours is not torture, if that were the case most all the employers in the world should be considered for torture
Chris K. When exactly did “the American’s got the A#($*’s kicked and sent packing”
War of 1812 was a push with both sides invading the other and neither winning anything. In addition, it was Britain the Americans were fighting.

To the people of Canada: You had it right. WE DO TORTURE. Our nation has been taken over by militaristic fascists who have recklessly welded the power we have against those who possess resources their corporate sponsors wanted. They have tossed away the power and treasure this nation had accumulated into ruthless conquests and invasions. Now we are a weak and un-unified nation because of divisive GOP policy. BEWARE! If your nations leader follows this path, YOU TOO will be destined for hard times.

Hey, give us Canadians a break! If we don’t play nice, we’ll end up like Iraq! We got a ton of natural resources I’m sure appeal greatly to US politicians (like oilsands)!

Why doesn’t Canada just mind their own business? They’re just like their French counterparts, always crying and complaining until something terribly wrong happens to them and then they call on “W” to come to the rescue!

Oh my liberal brothers and sisters!!! Stop crying about the “torture” of these fanatics who have no ethical compass and are all too willing to behead those that would disagree with their definition of God. We fell asleep for 20 years while they went through their indoctrination to become the suicide bombers and desensitized islamo-fascists that they are today. We must protect American lives by all means necessary. And if the techniques used to extract info were not effective or productive, where’s the attack on U.S. soil since 9/11? God bless G.W.B. for standing his ground. History will judge him through the eyes of results and not the tears you shed today for those that would kill us all. Anyone out there agree?

The ruthless power mongers in Washington DC have succeeded again. Anyone with 1/2 a brain knows our government is guilty of torture.
Restore the Republic.

I am tortured daily ever since the bushbaby crime syndicate fouled the 2000 selection and again in 2004. The evidence is all there but the MAINSCREAMS can’t expose it as they will expose their own aiding and abeting and embedded embrace they kissied pooed along their way. Then I get tortured further by doughhead sap republicans mis-led and ill-informed as you can imagine and hear them to be. I am glad the republicans are so deeply religious because GOD has been stirred and when the saps get the payback, they will know from whence it was delivered.
MISERY LOVES COMPANY the last gasp of the dying republican stutterers…you buying their APPLE BUTTER?????

>>>>>Why doesn’t Canada just mind their own business? They’re just like their French counterparts, always crying and complaining until something terribly wrong happens to them and then they call on “W” to come to the rescue!<<<<<<<
First, let me laugh at an American (I presume) suggesting that Canada sticks its nose where it doesn't belong. LoL! Okay, done. I guess since I cry all the time I can't read clearly, so help me out here. When was Canada attacked and then had to beg Bush for help…? (Canada being such a vicious worldwide bully and all, always under attack by other countries) What was this "terribly wrong" thing that happened, or is going to happen, because of the "crying and complaining", that will force the entire country to run to George W. Bush screaming "save us"!

I totally agree JJ. To those youngsters who think our forefathers would be spinning in their graves let me paraphrase a line from something you (and me) are addicted to. (Your forefathers new when to lay compassion to the side, and steeled themselves to get done what was necessary) – Halo3
See kids, don’t be fooled by your liberal teachers. They are training you to serve the true fascists in the democrat party. If you think I am lying just do the research. Who is behind most business, both small and large, lawsuits looking for a handout? Who uses lawyers to force people to behave a certain way or accept a certain change whether they want it or not. Who does these things rather than let the American people vote on these issues? Ask yourselves that. Do your own homework and research if you want to know the real truths out there. Do not be a puppet for these people. I call you kids, but I am only 27. I do that because you act like children, unable to think for yourselves and make your own decisions. You just keep running with all the other conformist just like you. Wake up and grow up.

mark…don’t do drugs.

The US tortures, plain and simple. And I don’t give a damn if you served over there, I laugh in your face if you say we should be torturing human beings. There are methods of interrogation that don’t involve torture. Saying we should be torturing people out of vengeance just shows how terrible returning to civilian life will be for some vets. Fighting in our country’s army doesn’t mean you can say whatever you want without criticism, either.

I am disappointed that Canada didn’t have the fortitude to stand up to Bush & Co. as they were absolutely correct in adding the USA to their torture list. Bush has insisted on it, why can’t he take the “acclaim”? So very sad to see our wonderful country disintigrate while these so-called “presidential candidates” act like pre-schoolers with the mud slinging and never once addressing the fact that this country is falling apart at the seams because of POLITICIANS ON ALL SIDES.

Truth is stranger than fiction…
Pide goeth before a fall…
In this reality, anything is possible

Fred,
Don’t spread lies. All level headed people know that we Americans are portrayed around the world as the media portrays us. That is where they get their education about us. You see, the media is in this game for power and influence. All evidence supports that. You said you were a law enforcement officer in the past Fred. I dont imagine you were a detective.

NickS,
And what does that make you? The All Knowing Oz? Let’s hope not.
Fred has as much say in this discussion as you do. Try not to belittle something someone says or believes in by insulting word games.

that dissatisfied with our country? move!

I love the way the word “Fascist” gets thrown around here – anyone who doesn’t agree with you is a “Fascist”, PM Harper, Pres. Bush, everyone except VP Cheney, who is likened to Darth Vader – and the media seems to be controlled by Liberals and Conservatives simultaneously, not by business people trying to make money.
I am saddened, but not surprised, to see Canada change their minds on this on . . . but world politics rarely has to do with “what is right,” but what is expedient. – Ponca City, Okla. Sitting above Texas – if it were a country, it would have the worlds 7th highest rate of executing its own citizens. Not bad for a country of 23 1/2 million.

Well it’s like the old saying, or is it a new saying….., “would you rather be right, or just good neighbour’s?”
There’s a whole planet of countries out there who are in a better position to scold the US for it’s deplorable behaviour. Canada is just being pragmatic as is the culture of Canadians, social libertarians and conservative economists. This is just an example of where those two sides of their personality collide.

There is no “accidental” handing over of government documents. It is deliberately done by someone in possesion of the document with an axe to grind’ It is handed to an organization that will spin it the way the “hander” wants it handled.