Obama and Clinton Camps Dig in on Michigan

man i love this. keep it up democrats. you are making yourselves look reaaaallly smart.

Because then we get into delegate selection and if they are not for Obama he has no say into who is selected, but Hillary on the other hand does.
Problem continues.

i mean, im just blown away by this. first of, why should ANY delegates be counted? they knew full well what they were doing when they did this. the dnc turned their backs on MILLIONS of voters. thats the bottom line. splitting the delegates? more for clinto than obama? are you kidding me?! THE DEMOCRATS NEED TO HOLD THEIR PARTIES LEADERS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS. florida and michigan simply just shouldnt count. period. think about THAT the next time you go and vote for a democrat.

MIguy..
couldnt have said it better myself. no backbone.

      “But for now, neither the Clinton nor Obama camp has
      been willing to meet the other half way.”
I don’t think I can agree with that.  Obama’s camp has already been agreeable to going 50% for Florida with the full delegation, each delegate getting a ½ vote.  This actually gives Clinton something like 9 to 11 more delegates than she’d have gotten if they’d insisted on Florida being stripped of half its delegates as the punishment for jumping the line.  (A peculiarity of the “proportional representation by district” voting in Florida.)
So, they’ve already gone more than half way.
The problem Obama’s folks have here is that they’re attempting to negotiate a “fair deal” with an adversary who doesn’t want a fair deal, who probably doesn’t want ANY deal.  She probably prefers to have a “grievance” to tout to justify taking the fight to the Convention in Denver.  (Likely she’d take the fight to the Convention in Denver anyway, even if they gave her 100% of what she’s asking for, but it always looks better to at least be able to claim one has a grievance.)

If Clinton is on the ballot along with “undecided,” and Michigans vote for “undecided,” it obviously means they vote for someone other than Clinton! If the Clintonites still want to take it all and give Obama nothing, it means that the one who kept the rules of the committee gets soundly penalized. Nice work, Clintonites!

Go Hillary! We love you for your hard work and dedication. We are behind you all the way. We will support you for an independent run if the DNC turns its back on you. Thank you for your work and God Bless You.

The democratic party either respects the results of elections or it doesn’t.
The results of the Michigan primary have been determined by the Secretary of State.
Both Clinton and Obama followed the same rules. One campaign chose to remove their candidates name from the ballot as they are entitled todo under the rules. One candidate chose not to as they are also entitled to do under the rules.
If the DNC thinks it can over ride elections and arbitrarily redecide someones vote for them, I’msure voters will send them a very clear signal in Nov indicating what they think about that.
You either believe in Democracy or you don’t. You either respect elections or you don’t. Period.

voter…
you are just another example of the crazies, im sorry. im a conservative and believe me i would much rather have hillary in the white house than obama(if i had to absolutely choose), but you think that shes asking for fair treatment?! you people need to see the big picture and not “stand by you’re man”. FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN SHOULD NOT COUNT IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM!!! and by “negotiating” a deal, you are doing nothing more than adding to this voter fraud.

I agree totally. The DNC is downright crazy and are showing their true colors. They either reject the votes and stick to their crazy rule or let the elections stand they way they were cast. This is manipulation in the enth degree. The party bosses are so afraid to give up control. What I don’t understand is why states are not allowed to come up with their own timetable to run the elections. They want their state represented in the best way and so why should the DNC stick it’s long stupid nose and come up with a timetable — I just don’t understand. The Democrats are really beginning to show that they are so much like their symbol ‘the donkey’.

And the Obama starting point of a 50/50 split is false.
The Obama starting point for a fair negotiation is zero delegates.
Since when do you get to start with 50% of the delegates when you lost an election???
This is absurd, and is tantelmount to stealing an election. it would not pass any international standard for counting votes or a democratic election.
Why have primaries at all if the DNC can just decide how you would vote?

      “The Obama starting point for a fair negotiation is zero
      delegates.”
      s.b. | May 31, 2008 4:03:14 PM
One might keep in mind that, as things currently stand, Hillary also has zero delegates out of Michigan.  She’s wanting more than zero; she’s making the play for more than zero, but zero is what she’s currently got.

The reason why I have supported Hillary’s struggle to count the votes is because this has been a very close primary election. We cannot ignore the votes of Michigan and Florida and say that we have the best candidate to represent the demcorats. In another time, if the election were not this close, it would not have mattered. Now the DNC with all of its manipulations is going to put a stamp on voter fraud. It would be better to reject all or count all votes. What a nightmarish situation! Bad all the way!

It’s clear that the Clinton supporters have the votes on the rules committe and on the credentials committee. The majority wants the voters’ votes to count. Too bad for Obama, this is one type of caucus that he overlooked, he and his team didn’t do his homework in getting control of those key committees. Only some kind of zombie would want to go up against the majority vote of a democratic group. By the way, why did he take his name off the Michigan ballot, seems like there is a pattern of disrespect when it comes to voters in working class states?
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Obama and BitterGate, we shall not forget!
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ONE person – ONE vote and ALL the votes must be counted. That’s what our democracy demands. The 2000 election should have made that abundantly clear. WHAT did we not understand about that election?? MI & FL must be seated and their votes counted AS THE RESULTS cam out. Anything less, is a sham. If the nominee is Obama the democrats have handed the election to McCain. Four years more of Republican leadership isn’t nearly as scary as 4-8 years of Barack Obama!

Shirl,
Oh, yeah, right the old “steal the nomination” ploy as if Obama has some kind of “Male” entitlement to be president number 44. Count the votes please. Only some kind of zombie or dictator type would not want to count Democrats.
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Hillary is the only candidate that represents the working class!
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Obama did not block a revote in michigan. That’s a lie being spread by fanatics, please educate yourself. He took his name off the ballot because he was told the vote would not count. The problem is the DNC! You can’t strip a state of its delegates and then change the rules at the end of the game without things becoming very complicated. Clinton wants chaos, it’s her only possible chance at the nomination and it has nothing to do with democracy or popular vote. The republicans also want chaos and plenty of them are masquerading as Clinton supporters here. THINK FOR YOURSELF. There is no equitable way to divide a “flawed” vote.

      “It’s clear that the Clinton supporters have the votes
      on the rules committe and on the credentials
      committee.”
      WestCoastMessenger | May 31, 2008 4:11:11 PM
That would be the wrong conclusion to draw.  The problem is that Obama doesn’t have the power to force the Clintons’ camp to accept a fair deal and come out and endorse it as fair.  (They DO have the votes to ram what they want down the Clintons’ throats, but that’s bad politics; Hillary is looking for a grievance, and the Obama people are trying to figure out how to not give them one.  So far the Obama people aren’t having any luck with that; Hillary’s people are past masters at being aggrieved.)

cgeast…
how can millions of democrats be pro life and still vote for officials who support abortion? i dont understand that one. also, universal health care dosent work. had to throw that one in there too.

So far the Obama people aren’t having any luck with that; Hillary’s people are past masters at being aggrieved.)
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I tend to agree, but I am not sure how far Hillary can carry it. There comes a time when the Party has to say stop. If she does too much damage they all suffer.

Thinking,
Is that the “woman scorned” theory?
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More people have pulled the lever for Hillary Clinton than any other Democrat in history!
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Tim
Universal heathcare is used by ever major power in europe and canada and works just fine.
Healthcare is a matter of national security. Just like education.
Being ‘pro choice’ is simply about allowing others to make their choice.
It doesnt mean YOU are pro choice. You can still be pro life, but understand others may not want that.
So if a candidate comes along who is pro life, it doesnt affect you in the slightest because thats our personal choice anyways.
It only affects people who are PRO ABORTION.
There is a HUGE difference between being pro choice and pro abortion.
Millions of democrats are pro choice, but not pro abortion.

Hillary would OBVIOUSLY carry DETRIOT!
Obama wouldn’t get a single vote in that city right? That’s what Clinton and her supporters call “fair”?
Saddam Hussein had “free” elections too. His was also the only name on the ballot.
HILLARY’S SUPPORTERS THINK SADDAM HUSSEIN’S “DEMOCRACY” IS GREAT!

As far as this stupid Michigan and Florida thing goes.
Its irrelivant.
The whole struggle is this.
Clinton : let em all count or I wont quit , which will hand the white house over to Mc Cain.
DNC : The easiest thing for us to do is give clinton what she wants becuase the supers will still go to obama and put him over the top.
But then we look like spineless tools, so we cant give clinton what she wants.

      “Lee C,
      “On rules all the numbers I’ve seen have Clinton’s count
      at 13 and Obama’s count at 8, and 9 unannounced.”
      WestCoastMessenger | May 31, 2008 4:27:14 PM
This is true. 
It is also true that only four, maybe five, maybe as many as six, of those thirteen have the chutzpah to vote with the Clintons if it comes to a showdown on her “I want it all” position.

cgeast..
i can kind of see your point on the abortion thing. a little. it still just seems weird to be pro choice and anti abortion. why would you want our country to be able to do something that goes directly against our values? im not sure that makes sense. its kind of like telling an underager that drinking and driving can kill you but heres the keys. its a tough one for me to understand. and as far as universal health care goes, first of all its fitting in this blog for me to make this point. you want to leave it up to our government, the same ones who just ignored MILLIONS of voters, in charge of our health care?! they cant even be trusted to hold fair elections and your going to trust them with our health care?! not to mention the fact that we simply do not have the money to effectively do it? most other countries that have it, do not have anywhere near the quality of health care we have either. look at canada and england for example. there are wating lines there for ALOT of people. and im not talking about for cold mediactions, or sore throats. i mean major medical procedures. do yourself a favor and do some research on this subject. also did i mention we have just a little itty bit of a national debt already? IT WOULD COST WAAAAY TO MUCH MONEY TO GET QUALITY HEALTHCARE FOR EVERY AMERICAN.

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He took his name off the ballot because he was told the vote would not count.
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Posted by: mona lisa
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Oh, well then who told him the vote wouldn’t count, someone from the GREAT, BIG state of Michigan? If he would take his name off a ballot just because someone told him it wouldn’t count, can you imagine what this man would do when someone like Iran’s President tells him HE doesn’t count, or that they REALLY AREN’T MAKING NUCLEAR WEAPONS TO USE AGAINST ISRAEL? I wouldn’t want a person that gullible to be MY PRESIDENT. I wouldn’t want a person that gullible answering that RED TELEPHONE AT 3 A.M. I wouldn’t even want someone that gullible in the Illinois Senate, but then I am not from Illinois.

People,
I’m willing to concede that Obama will be the nominee going into November. I’m also going to continue to support Hillary in 2008 and again in 2012. The only thing happening now is posturing by the Obama campaign to try to set up his November loss to be blamed on Clinton in some perverted belief that it will somehow keep his political career alive. It will not. Look who has surrounded Obama– Kennedy, Kerry, and Edwards, all prior failed natonal candidates, hoping to ride the coattails of another liberal failure. Did you know that a rat will not go down the same tunnel searching for cheese if the rat does not find the cheese down that tunnel the first time? Seems like liberals keep looking for cheese in the same tunnels. How smart is that?
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Insanity is doing the same thing over again expecting different results!
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“Get Real:,
I suppose that your point is that even Ralph Nader would be a better candidate than Barack Obama and I frankly have to agree with you.
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There are 3 presidential candidates better than Obama!
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The Michigan problem is owned by the State’s Governor (D) who signed the legislation to place the primary election date outside the DNC rules. This, now national mess, is a State caused issue and a political price should be paid within the state.
All candidates, except for HRC removed their names from the ballot; none campaigned—also keep in mind the DNC rules were agreed upon by all the campaigns.
Now, one candidate wants to disregard the agreement. A 50 – 50 split, in my view is equitable.

Nothing Clinton has done has hurt Obama from the republicans point of view.
-rev wright hurt Obama
- bittergate hurt Obama
- his freakly left wing associations hurt Obama
- His angry wife hurt obama.
This is what the general election is about for voters.
Mc Cain can whine all he wants about the pre condition lunacy of obama , and his inexperience or ignorance of what is going on in Iraq.
But the voter is going to look at Obama and come to the conclusion that he would create far more problems than he is capable of solving.
It would be a white house circus of chickens comeing home to roost, making whitie pay, small town americans should be exterminated , and americas enemies running over Obama .
On the other hand, he WILL be wearing his flag pin, which is a start.

Here we go behind close dooors what kind of bs is this.

MI has not talked about fifty/fifty why?

Bishop
It’s the democratic party at its best!

Well I think they really don’t care about Fl. but MI they need do they think we are stupid never mind Fl is chucked full of middle age women and Clinton friendly Obama would do better in MI close to home and AA in NOV how dumb are we .

      “Failing to alienate voters is not participating in a
      primary that already happened.”
That supposed to make any sense?
      “Go back to whittlin or whatever you normally do to
      pass the time.”
      nObama | May 31, 2008 5:11:58 PM
Today’s pastime is bringing enlightenment to dumb-ass partisans.

neil1785
It’s over! Dean has made it so.

The rule is the first one to reach 2026 delegates wins the democratic nomination. No one will reach this number by the end of the last primaries. There’s no such rule that whoever gets the majority of delegates, wins. That’s where the popular vote comes in along with the other factors to be considered. That’s the job of the superdelegates to make a wise decision to come up with a nominee who can best balance the results from electoral map, popular vote, gallaup polls on various voting groups, gallup polls on running against McCain. Also, they should now look at the resumes of each candidate and the depthness of their knowledge on economic policies, foreign policies and national security. Who can best beat McCain not by a whisker or smaller margin but by a reasonable margin. Scared Pelosi should be fired from DNC since she doesn’t know the real job of a superdelegate. If these superdelegates are marred by subjectivesness and the idea of just basing the nomination on the majority of delegates alone then the democratic party will be in a shaky position by November.

Posted by: Thomas | May 31, 2008 5:21:50 PM
IT’S NOT OVER. Are you aware of the fact that top Obama organizer Paul Tewes is in discussions to take over the Democratic National Committee?
The DNC has been conspiring to award the nomination to Obama and let him take over the DNC. If that happens there will be a mass exodus, including Howard Dean. Obama will start the process of eliminating the traditional politicians including those who support him because that’s part of the change that he’s talking about from the very beginning and putting his own people in place.
Is this what you call democratic?

Oh, fer Christ’s sake:
The ‘uncommitted’ vote was 40%. Who did you think they were voting for?
You can’t be that stupid.
Yeah, it’s possible that some of the ‘ucommitted’ votes went to someone else or genuinely uncommitted, but that underscores just how screwy this non-primary primary was in the first place.

I think I’m maybe seeing some signs that this meeting may go long.  They may even punt on the issues surrounding Michigan; not even bother to take a vote.  (Other than to vote to not vote.)  Major wusses if they do that.

The rule is the first one to reach 2026 delegates wins the democratic nomination. No one will reach this number by the end of the last primaries. There’s no such rule that whoever gets the majority of delegates, wins. That’s where the popular vote comes in along with the other factors to be considered. That’s the job of the superdelegates to make a wise decision to come up with a nominee who can best balance the results from electoral map, popular vote, gallaup polls on various voting groups, gallup polls on running against McCain. Also, they should now look at the resumes of each candidate and the depthness of their knowledge on economic policies, foreign policies and national security. Who can best beat McCain not by a whisker or smaller margin but by a reasonable margin. Scared Pelosi should be fired from DNC since she doesn’t know the real job of a superdelegate. If these superdelegates are marred by subjectivesness and the idea of just basing the nomination on the majority of delegates alone then the democratic party will be in a shaky position by November.
THE SUPERDELEGATES HAVE TO DO THEIR JOB INTENSLY AND COMPREHENSIVELY WHILE THERE’S TIME. THEIR DECISION WILL COST THEIR POSITIONS WHEN THE TIME COMES WHEN PEOPLE WILL IN TURN DECIDE TO VOTE THEM BACK TO THEIR POSITIONS. THE FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN SHOULD NOT BE COMPROMISED JUST FOR THE SAKE OF ENDING IT AND GIVING THE NOMINATION TO OBAMA. SINCE NO ONE WILL WIN, IT’S THE BEST TIME TO SCRUTINIZE THIS CANDIDATE BEFORE MAKING THE FINAL DECISION.

As far as I’m concerned, Hillary can HAVE the vote totals that came out Fla and Michigan.
Do the math: Unless the remaining superdelegates flock en masse to Clinton (ain’t happening), in won’t make a bit of difference.
The real issue is how the DNC deals with this mess without breaking the rules.

uncommitted means obama’s?
really?
yuck
oh, and princess obama just resigned from his ‘church’, it joins his grandmother under the bus.

They cant.
And furthermore, Clinton can now argue that the delegate race is much closer, and she wins the popular vote, so the super delegates shouldnt have annointed Obama to begin with.
Hillary has lost the nomination by way of super delegate support for Obama.
There is nothing she can do about it.
However, the liberals will ‘get their way’ at a horrible cost.
All the moderate and conservative democrats will move to Mc Cain.
If you havent noticed, Mc Cain is VERY CAREFULL to praise Hillary .
Obama STUPIDLY never praised Huckabee or Romney, when the shoe was on the other foot.

Oh come on. Even my five year old can see the patent unfairness of counting a vote after everyone agreed it wouldn’t count. End of argument. And I don’t believe that these people arguing to count bogus primary votes are democrats anyway… they’re just republicans stirring up trouble.

Obama didn’t run ads in Florida. If there were overlapping metro areas for neighbooring states, guess what – he ran the ad in the other state. It’s like reaching Eastern Pennsylvania with Philadelphia or New York State with New York CIty stations…you’re gonna be seen in New Jersey whether you want to or not.

HEY “tim”
WHAT ACTUALY DO YOU LIKE, D.U.M.B.A.S.S.
DO YOU ALSO LIKE HOW SMART ARE REPUBLICANS STARTING FROM YOUR D.U.M.B.A.S.S. PRESIDENT.

The rule is the first one to reach 2026 delegates wins the democratic nomination. No one will reach this number by the end of the last primaries. There’s no such rule that whoever gets the majority of delegates, wins. That’s where the popular vote comes in along with the other factors to be considered. That’s the job of the superdelegates to make a wise decision to come up with a nominee who can best balance the results from electoral map, popular vote, gallaup polls on various voting groups, gallup polls on running against McCain. Also, they should now look at the resumes of each candidate and the depthness of their knowledge on economic policies, foreign policies and national security. Who can best beat McCain not by a whisker or smaller margin but by a reasonable margin. Scared Pelosi should be fired from DNC since she doesn’t know the real job of a superdelegate. If these superdelegates are marred by subjectivesness and the idea of just basing the nomination on the majority of delegates alone then the democratic party will be in a shaky position by November.
THE SUPERDELEGATES HAVE TO DO THEIR JOB INTENSLY AND COMPREHENSIVELY WHILE THERE’S TIME. THEIR DECISION WILL COST THEIR POSITIONS WHEN THE TIME COMES WHEN PEOPLE WILL IN TURN DECIDE TO VOTE THEM BACK TO THEIR POSITIONS. THE FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN SHOULD NOT BE COMPROMISED JUST FOR THE SAKE OF ENDING IT AND GIVING THE NOMINATION TO OBAMA. SINCE NO ONE WILL WIN, IT’S THE BEST TIME TO SCRUTINIZE THIS CANDIDATE BEFORE MAKING THE FINAL DECISION.

Bingo, Jeff!
Great idea!

Don’t trust Obama. He’s a political sheister of the worst kind when it comes to finagling a way to win.
To win his senate seat in Illinois he knew he couldn’t beat the incumbent, the popular black social activist Alice Palmer. So he and a bunch of lawyers went through the signatures on her petition and threw out any that weren’t technically correct.
If they were in cursive and not printed, they were thrown out, etc. He got enough thrown off to get her from being on the ballot.
Guess who Alice Palmer is supporting? Hillary Clinton.
Watch Obama like a hawk. He’s as dirty as they come. Why wouldn’t he be? He comes from the dirtiest political operation in the country – Chicago democrat politics.

This just in: Obama resigns from Trinity Church.
Just in time to run for president.
As the SNL church lady would say…
“How conveeeeeeenient.”
Lol. Obama you fool NO ONE.

Posted by: Jo | May 31, 2008 6:13:49 PM
He’s a relative of Odinga family of corrupt politicians in Kenya. They’re all ugly and dirty inside out.

The rule is the first one to reach 2026 delegates wins the democratic nomination. No one will reach this number by the end of the last primaries. There’s no such rule that whoever gets the majority of delegates, wins. That’s where the popular vote comes in along with the other factors to be considered. That’s the job of the superdelegates to make a wise decision to come up with a nominee who can best balance the results from electoral map, popular vote, gallaup polls on various voting groups, gallup polls on running against McCain. Also, they should now look at the resumes of each candidate and the depthness of their knowledge on economic policies, foreign policies and national security. Who can best beat McCain not by a whisker or smaller margin but by a reasonable margin. Scared Pelosi should be fired from DNC since she doesn’t know the real job of a superdelegate. If these superdelegates are marred by subjectivesness and the idea of just basing the nomination on the majority of delegates alone then the democratic party will be in a shaky position by November.
THE SUPERDELEGATES HAVE TO DO THEIR JOB INTENSLY AND COMPREHENSIVELY WHILE THERE’S TIME. THEIR DECISION WILL COST THEIR POSITIONS WHEN THE TIME COMES WHEN PEOPLE WILL IN TURN DECIDE TO VOTE THEM BACK TO THEIR POSITIONS. THE FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN SHOULD NOT BE COMPROMISED JUST FOR THE SAKE OF ENDING IT AND GIVING THE NOMINATION TO OBAMA. SINCE NO ONE WILL WIN, IT’S THE BEST TIME TO SCRUTINIZE THIS CANDIDATE BEFORE MAKING THE FINAL DECISION.

Time to tell the Clinton GANG no. Show them the door and let people see what they are. How about counting the 17M who voted against her. Oh according to the Clinton Gang, we don’t count!!!!!!!

The DNC has deliberated and voted and Florida will NOT be seating fully, they get only 1/2 votes—-the Democrats have decided that is fair….to “blank” with the voters of Florida who went to the polls—I am not from Florida or Michigan but I will not vote Democratic as I believe according to the 1st Amendment of the United States–you just hikejacked American voters!And, just like the twin towers you have just stunned America and just you few people have decided for the 600,000 people in Michigan alone. I never thought I would live to see this day.

Harold Ickes is right! the process has been hijacked! we will not accept it… Obama will lose both FL an MI in nov… along with other crucial states… I am throug with the Democrats… as is… liberal…. self serving!

Yessssssssssssss! 1/2 vote each delegate for both states. neither florida nor michican changes the outcome AND the voters are respected.
Obama ’08!
YES WE CAN!!!!!!!!!

I will be an Independant next week . I could not be in a party that does not count the votes of the people and big wigs and superdelegates elect the nominee.The Democratic national committee can put that in thier pipe and poke it.

Hope for change those were Obama motions that carried and the Clinton people will not accept it period! you will not be able to win the white house you obamabots are childish self servign moron!

Neil1785
NO! From the beginning Obams campaign has been into subversion…. this is a sad day for democracy in general!

Posted by: dem38 | May 31, 2008 7:22:30 PM
The decision will boost people’s empathy for Hillary. Everybody knows that Obama has been playing dirty politics since the beginning…how he actually won his senatorial seat, aucuses cheatings, etc. … I don’t know what will happen but Republicans have now enough weapons to sabotage Obama in GE if he becomes the nominee.

Posted by: Jo | May 31, 2008 6:15:11 PM wrote,
“This just in: Obama resigns from Trinity Church.”
Jo,
It’s just a setup — an act to pander more votes. When he becomes President he will go back and forgive Wright on the pretense of forgive and forget for the sake of unity he has called for since the beginning but he’s willing to remove the traditional politicians including those who support him for the sake of change he has called for since the beginning.

Fooled again everyone. Obama the politician (just like all the rest) made sure to look like a good guy and give some votes in Fla, but made sure he got votes in Mi he never earned, and would not have won.
The more time we have the weaker he looks. Now, another religious person and another scandal. Who is this man anyway? What does he really stand for?
I’m not feeling very unified right now!

And as for the compromise, I can states already pondering the trade-off:
Do we follow the rules like usual, or break the rules next time, go first (like in November of 2011) and only lose half our delegates?
I’ll bet several decide to go early. So as a Virginian, I’m going to ask my state senator if she can sponsor a bill to pre-empt the other states and have the Virginia Primaries in October of 2011.

neil1785
yea…. and Obama resigned from Trinity United Church today! In that press cnference… there is plenty of fodder for soundbites….. the heck with these Obamamorons thinking they can win the presidency by being silent and doing deals(DNC rules&bylaws-by the way Donna Brazile is now black listed … no pun intended!)this will only Help Hillary! and I heard Chuck(bobblehead)TOdd say that it is Obamas DNC now… if thats a threat…. he will have it smacked back in his face!

hope for change… you keep trying to appease yourself… there will be no settling this before the convention…not all the SDs will go for obama before the convention… at the very least thry will now back track….

Hope for Change
no dumbass suporeme! It means more democrats will be votign republican or third party and your candidate is assured of losing the GE … you cannot and Obama will not!

hillary take the independent line, and run for pres.

have all of you people forgotten that Clinton AGREED that the MI and FLA would have NO delegate representation at the convention as a result of the violation of the rules? Now she wants to take back her agreement… Just what she does best. She is a Clinton: what works at the moment… her word means nothing.