Obama Won’t Wait for Clinton Concession

Obama will not have the magic number of delegates needed to clinch the nom after the remaining contests.
Nevertheless, he’s satisfied that the voices of the Florida and Michigan electorate will only be half heard at the convention. He’s happy as a clam.
Now, if only he could get that pesky candidate, who is far more electable than he is against John McCain, to get out of the way.
TAKE IT TO THE FLOOR OF THE CONVENTION, HILLARY!!!

emily you have no idea what happened today do you?
and you are obviously not for party unity
because both democratic parties of florida and michigan won today, and got what they wanted
soooo what you want is chaos
clinton won 29 delegates today by the by

For all the furious women in the democratic party who claim they are going to vote for McCain in November, I want you to ask yourselves…
Do I vote for
a) A man who often and always praises his wife as his rock, and has two young daughters he dotes over
or
b) A man who calls his wife an F’ING C-WORD.
Yes, b would be mccain. Look it up.
Stop complaining and join the party. We’re going to the white house!
Obama 08

On behalf of the MI/FL ruling may be many Democrats will vote 1/2 the ticket in November selecting only the candidates for Senator, Rep., Mayor etc.

I expect to see a lot of caterwauling on this blog from one or another partisan troll.
Seems to me the DNC got it exactly right, “not too hot & not too cold”
I think exchange between Donna Brazile and Gov. Blanchard (MI) captured the essence of the debate.
“My momma always taught me to play by the rules,” Brazile said, adding that “when you decide to change the rules, especially middle of the game … that is referred to as cheating.”
To which Gov. Blanchard responded:
“Hillary Clinton did play by the rules, I just want to pick the paper up in Michigan … and feel that the voters were treated fairly.”
Well, as my Momma used to say: “When once side is right, but the other side is also right…split the difference, COMPROMISE.
1/2 votes will not change the outcome. Obama will get the nomination, satisfying his supporters, but Clinton can have the support she received in Michigan and Florida officially placed “on the record”.
A symbolic gesture, to be sure, but the DNC WAS fully within its rights when it completely disqualified the Florida and Michigan primaries for violating the timing rules.
Moreover, no one disputes that the preferences as expressed in the flawed Michigan and Florida primaries only roughly reflect voter preferences in those states. Many potential voters did stay home, taking the DNC at its word, when it said the primaries would not count.
The gesture can give Clinton supporters satisfaction. They can use the 1/2 votes as markers to underline “what might have been”, if the process hadn’t produced this irreparably flawed outcome.
It should satisfy Obama’s supporters. He will get the nomination.

The new coalition = UNDEMOCRATIC PARTY
3rd World tactics – we might as well live in a communist country. Oh by the way, anybody research Mr. Obama and his communist connections?
The DNC are communists

Given the unfortunate circumstances I think the delegates were seated fairly. They had to be penalized in some way otherwise it would set a bad precedent for futue elections.

Go Obama!!!!!!!!! YOU WON IT FAIR AND SQUARE – and pleeeaaasee don’t choose that witch as running mate, hell you don’t need her trailer park supporters anyway!!!!! OBAMA08VOBAMA08OBAMA08OBAMA08OBAMA08OBAMOBAMA08OBAMA08OBAMA08OBAMA08OBAMA08OBAMA08OBAMA08OBAMA08OBAMA08OBAMA08OBAMA08OBAMA08OBAMA08OBAMA08OBAMA08OBAMA08OBAMA08OBAMA08OBAMA08OBAMA08OBAMA08

It really isn’t fair to put Al Gore on the Losers List. He did win the Popular Vote and would have taken Florida, but for the U.S. Supreme court. Had George W. Bush not in effect been appointed, who knows what would have happened?
He’s gone on to have done a lot of good too, in bringing people around on Global Warming. In addition, a Nobel Prize is no small accomplishment. So, in my book, he is no loser, but George W. Bush is.

We will CHANGE washington Politics and will bring CHICAGO POLITICS.. We got our leader.. we will bring all dishonest.. racism sexism and enjoy Power… We have lobbyist.. we have all EVIL element with us…

The Democratic Party Screwed the public today. I hope to see the democratic party dissolve away into nothingness. They are run by the most crooked corrupt dishonest politicians. What else could we expect. Democrat No More.

The band of 300 Athenians, led by General Leonidas, would have been proud to support Hillary Clinton. She shall not give up the fight!
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TO THE CONVENTION AND THE STREETS OF DENVER!!
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kisa wrote: “They had to be penalized in some way otherwise it would set a bad precedent for futue elections.”
Like South Carolina breaking the rules and moving up? Like New Hampshire breaking the rules and moving up again?
The only precedent this has set is 10 million to 17 million Hillary supporters tearing up their Democratic Party cards and going independent.
This is one Florida Dem here who is unregistering as Democratic.
Obama will join the list of Dem losers. Fitting, since McGovern, Carter, and Kerry endorsed him.
They know all about being losers.
Hillary ’08

And to think I used to support her. I still think she is a fighter though but her fights no longer represent the wish of any thinking Democrat.I cannot afford another Bush third term. My needs have increased but my resources have dwindled.

Clinton supporters using GANG tactics will not win. Put your support behind your party or except the fact that YOU will be the cause if we lose in November.

sure, it is not clintons Party anymore.
people, who protested had no clue, what they were protesting about and what was possible to get from that meeting.
Stupid, like everyone in clintons”army”.
amin

Yavo wrote: “So, in my book, [Gore] is no loser, but George W. Bush is.”
yes, I agree with your reasoning, Yavo. Gore shouldn’t be on the loser list. Obama will be joining it though.
Somewhere between McGovern or Carter and Dukakis.
Hillary ’08

bharandon,
I agree, Democracy won today. For the first time in history Hillary Clinton is officially recognized for having won more Democratic votes in a presidential nominating process, than any other candidate in over 200 years of history. That is phenomenal. Obama* wins an asterik as the second choice of the Democratic majority. Now he can go campaign in peace for the general caucus in November. Where is that general caucus held, by the way?
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Obama* gets a well-deserved asterik!
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rd south carolina was given a status to go early after a long diliberation by that committee you should have watched today
it would have informed you of what went on without campaign spin attached
and you would have realized that the democratic party of each state got what they wanted, and the campaigns will have to make a compromise.
if the states are happy, then the campaigns should be happy
especially hillary since she netted 20 some delegates today
and her whole argument has been that these contests count..
and they do
every vote counts!!!
so this should be over, democrats are ready to unite

Go Hillary GO.. all True Dems are behind you.. The Fight begins now.. we can suffer 4 more years of Bush.. But not a POWER HUNGRY EVIL>>>

Hussein’s ELECTABILITY is zero in
november.
Hey Hussein go to Kenya,Indonesia
to collect 270 electoral votes,
because you cannot get this number
in U.S 50 STATES!!!!!!

Today was the biggest display of what arrogant, out-of-touch, biased, incompetents make up the DNC. The party will NEVER be unified when the will of the voters are reversed. How dare them award Obama ANY Michigan delegates when they don’t know how many of the “Uncommitted” were voting for Obama,Dodd, Edwards, Biden, etc. Just because Mr. Smart Guy decided to take his name off the ballot in Michigan,(stupid decision btw) the “Almighty DNC” is going to make it up for Wonder Boy as THEY see fit, not as how people voted??? There’s Democracy for you! If Obama is so far ahead in the delegate count, why the hell couldn’t he accept those delegates remaining “uncommitted” AS THEY VOTED until the convention?? That would have gone a long way in trying to unite the party. On Tuesday, NEITHER candidate will have the number of PLEDGED delegates to win the nomination and even if the Super Delegates weigh in on Obama, it still has to go to the convention to officially vote on the nomination. By that time, many SDs may have a change of heart when more crap comes out on Obama. I for one will be voting McCain if Hillary’s not the nominee.

rd, the other states petitioned for waivers to move their primaries that were granted and that is why they were not penalized. For whatever reason Fl and Mi were denied moving theirs.

If some rich people are ready to accept another four years of Bush, I am not. We must move forward. Clinton does not pay my bills, I work hard to do so.Does Clinton know that I exist? I now really believe it is all about Hilary not the Democratic party and I will be a fool no more with this. A Democrat must be in the White house and Clinton can leave with her ardent support if she wants. There will be no more spewing of hate. All true Democrats must unite.

first off the dnc had a higher support of clinton people on it then obama supporters so that cant be an argument
the other thing about the popular vote is that i believe, and i dont know, but i believe she can not claim this anymore
because by her own vote standars of let every vote count, i believe that by giving obama the uncommited vote he gets those vote totals…
which hillary opposed…even though as michigan reps stated there was a very well known movement to have edwards, and obama poeple vote uncommitted as they testified
as well as 30k people who wrote in votes
so, i actually think hillary can not claim popular vote
also, if she wants to count votes, she must recognize the caucus; as well because those votes should count by her own definition
FURTHERMORE
the popular vote is not a measure of anything, and its why a lot of states didnt take popular vote counts
hillary clinton when this started has said many times it was delegates that decide this
so, there you have it, the argument is over…
of course we will have to see what part of popular votes count from each state i could be wrong about the uncommitted vote going to obama, he may have just got the delegates

After Tuesday if Obama gets the delegates he needs, I hope Hillary just suspends her campaign and politely, quietly waits for the next show. By the time August rolls around, I think Obama and his wife will have been fully vetted by then.

Don’e claim you are Dems if you are a EVIL supporter.. if we have to choose someone with whom we don’t agree but an American and Honest Man and with a Group of EVILS.. I will choose Reps.. whoever it is.. even if it is Bush again

You people are like Hilly she now is saying all sorts of things and crying we the people did not HAND her this win.What in hell is wrong with this woman I think she has had a melt down.She thinks we should give her this election,we owe her this …What is wrong with this picture Clintons telling the whole Dem party what to do and what not to do?????????If both states are happy from breaking the rules what gives her the right to carry on?????Let the witch go to Denver and get run out by the rest of the people making her the laughting stock of the whole convertion.This woman is SICK in the head,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,to say the least.

Yeah I love it, not only did the CLinton’s lose but they will be blamed for the Dems losing in November and be blamed for the overturn of Roe v. Wade. HAHAHA We orchestrated the whole thing, we kept her in the race, she won Ind and Tex and a few other states because of us, dragging it out, splitting the party and making her loss even more bitter. You Dems are such losers.
If she goes Ind, she will be even more embarrassed because she will come in third and be an outcast. The CLinton’s are finally dead. Ding dong the witch is dead oops mispelling….. I can’t believe how stupid a lot of Democrats are, you will never win the White House. We will win in 2012 also (please I hope she runs again) because half the party won’t vote for her, she will never win the White House now, she made herself look insane. The great right wing conspiracy has beaten the Clintons.
I would love to see the baby killing law overturned and even the feminists blame Hillary. There name is mud, hated by Republicans and Independants and now over half the Democrats. It is like Christmas morn.

Correct me if I am wrong but it is at the Convention that superdelegates officially vote. Also correct me if I am wrong, but they can ALWAYS change their minds… One cay say now they support Obama, but they may later on vote for Hillary and vice versa. So what “victory speech” is Obama preparing?!?!? I am confused.

      “…but Clinton can have the support she received in
      Michigan and Florida officially placed ‘on the record’.”
      Goldilocks | May 31, 2008 9:25:49 PM
No offense meant, but I see it a little bit differently.  We’ll have to wait for the official written report of the RBC, I suppose, if there is one; but, it seems to me that while the voting in the Florida primary was accepted as the basis for awarding delegates (with a penalty of ½ for line jumping), the vote totals in Michigan were not accepted.  By the vote in the renegade primary in Michigan, Clinton would have gotten 73, Obama none, with 55 “uncommitted”.  That obviously wasn’t the outcome, even as the 128 Michigan delegates were restricted to a half vote each.  The 69/59 split was obviously NOT based on an acceptance of the renegade primary vote.
On another note:  I did some quick calculations.  With Florida and Michigan each getting their delegate votes cut in half, the total number of pledged delegates available to be earned in all the primaries and caucuses is 3,409.5. 
Half that would be 1,704¾ ≈ 1,705 to “win” the “public” race for delegates.  That’s what it would take to win if there were no superdelegates at all.
Obama now has 1,712, and that’s an absolute majority of all pledged delegates.
It’s not a question of the superdelegates winning it for him.  If it weren’t for them he’d have it won already.
The only question is, will Hillary be able to convince them to take it away from him?
      “For the first time in history Hillary Clinton is officially
      recognized for having won more Democratic votes in a
      presidential nominating process, than any other
      candidate in over 200 years of history.”
      WestCoastMessenger | May 31, 2008 9:47:57 PM
I rather think not.  See the above ↑↑ (among other deficiencies in that notion).

Susan wrote: “By the time August rolls around, I think Obama and his wife will have been fully vetted by then.”
LMAO!!! What an idiot. The Repub 527′s save their best stuff for October.
vetted, my @ss.
Hillary ’08

Nice work by Anita Dunn by the way. It is about time to call Hillary’s bluff. Let her continue her losing, divisive, race-baiting, whining campaign. Obama will win in spite of her. It is obvious she disdains Obama. But that won’t stop the Change phenomenon on the way to the White House.
GO OBAMA 08!

Ickes looked like an angry drunk this afternoon as well as sounding profane. A perfect match for the Clintons.

JimBeam,
I stand corrected, indeed, they were Spartans, and came from a Democratic society. Either way, they would have supported a strong woman over a weak man. There are three Presidential candidates that are stronger than Obama*. You forgot to mention that the great majority of recognized voters chose Hillary over Obama!
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Obama*, the second choice of the majority of Democractic voters!
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To HRC2008- 1st you talk a lot phony bologne. Really of all the words in the dictionary you chose the word EVIL! Don’t know about the rest of you but that word is usually reserved for child molestors and serial killers in my book. 2nd- you are not a democrat.
3rd How is Obama a racist or even sexist exactly?

“LMAO!!! What an idiot. The Repub 527′s save their best stuff for October.”
There is nothing left to vet. The republicans will have their pale behind whipped come November. Obama will get many moderate Republicans, that’s for sure. The question is how much. I don’t see many democrats voting for McCain, despite the threats by Clinton’s supporters.
Landslide for Obama come November.
GO OBAMA 08!

If you want to elect the first female President don’t try to nominate a female version of Hitler. Heck we couldn’t even stand her cackle.
The republicans beat the Clintons like step children.

I AM NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THIS HILARY BUNCH OF LOSERS. LET THEM HIT THERE HEADS ON ROCKS, STONE OR EVEN A VOTING BOOTH. NO PROBLEM.
NOW HILARY NEEDS TO GO HOME AND DO WHAT WOMEN DO – COOK FOR HER HUSBAND.(DID YOU SEE THOSE BUNCH OF WOMEN WHO HAVE NOTHING TO DO AT THE RULING COMMITTEE MEETING)THEY SHOULD HOME COOKING FOR THERE HUSBANDS. THEY ARE BUNCH OF DISGRUNTLED WOMEN WHO HAVE NO RESPONSIBILITY, “BITTER” AND CLINGING TO THERE GRUDGES AGAINST MEN AND UNRULY BEAST, DESPISING AUTHORITY.
THAT IS NOT WHO WE WANT TO RULE THIS NATION.
NOTE: YOU CAN BEAT UP YOUR HUSBANDS AND SHOUT AT HIM AT HOME, BUT YOU CANNOT COME TO BE PUBLIC TO “DEMAND” RESPECT. THAT IS NOT THE WAY GOD CREATED MAN AND NATURE.
WE ARE CONFIDENT THAT EVEN IF YOU SIT AT HOME OR VOTE FOR JOHN MC-LAME, THERE ARE TRIPLE NUMBERS TO YOU OF INDEPENDENTS WHO ARE ALREADY COMING TO BARACK.
YOU BETTER START PRACTISING NOW TO GET USED TO A NEW LEADER – BARACK OBAMA.
I AM COMPLETELY ASHAMED OF THOSE WOMEN VOTERS WHO PROBABLY HAVE BROKEN HOMES AND HEARTS.

that’s fine, jack, McCain is a different name that will be next on that list if Obama is the nominee.
Hillary ’08

Big Brother doesn’t need a concession speech. He didn’t care about the voters in Florida and Michigan. Power can be negotiated in Washington. A deal can be cut for party unity with the rules committee and we can move on – Wrong. When you lie and cheat to steal votes, then you have to be challeneged on it! It time to go to the rules committee and the streets. If we want real change, we can’t let this dirty dealing politician win!

The irony of it is, the ones not vetted are the Clintons, if she doesn’t get a powerful office they may find themsleves in jail. They are being investigated by the FBI and have two court cases pending for next year. Don’t know why the press was so easy on them.

3rd How is Obama a racist or even sexist exactly?
Posted by: JimBeam70 | May 31, 2008 10:07:02 PM
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Bubba calls her Hitler. Andrew R calls her a witch. Need I remind you that a greater number of voters have pulled the lever for Clinton than for Obama*?
Bubba and Andrew R, you are each no doubt smart as a hog.
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What kind of zombie insults the recognized leader of the majority in order to make a convincing argument?
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To WestCoastMessenger- yes more people have voted for Hillary- based on the math were some states count (when they are large states) but the states that she agreed not to count should count and now that they do count she still thinks that smaller states really shouldn’t count. so yes she has the popular vote also Puerto Rico can’t vote in the general election so it really doesn’t count

Go Independent Hillary!! You’ll get another max contribution from me and more from all our friends.
Hillary 08

Some explanations are needed here:
1)How can somebody who can not convincinly win the primary election be more electable than who won?
2) Is DNC greater than Clintons or Clintons greater than DNC?
3)My grandma always emphasize that I should abide by the rules and show respect to the constituted authority? are things changing.
4) Why do we have a lot of uneducated people supporting one candidate than
the other?
5)Is presidential position a family affair?

WHY CANT BHO CLOSE THE DEAL?

So sad!! All the Clinton supporters
would sail America down the river to
McCain then to act like real adults who
care about America and vote for Obama.
If McCain wind the Presidency, then all
I have to say is America and whoever
votes for him will get exactly what they
deserve. Worse then what we have now
I guarantee that. Wake up and stop
acting like little children and start
taking America back to the great country
she was. If the shoe was on the other foot and this was Obama, I would definately vote for Hillary she would be
better than what I was going to get in
the White House and in this country and that would be McCain. Shame on the
Democrats if you fail America and don’t
vote for Obama if he should be the nominee. If not happy living and raising your children in your Republican
America. If you still have your jobs.

Must be cocktail hour on the West Coast.
Since it will be Obama ’08 through 2016, the 3 dozen or so cranky lady voters will be swamped by those who don’t even know who Hillary Clinton was. Bring that day. ;)

Anita Dunn can go f*ck herself. I have voted Democratic in the past four elections – but not this one. I am either voting for McCain or not voting in the presidential contest.

rd, fyi, yes I voted for Obama in the primary but would definately vote for Hillary if she were the nominee. I don’t agree with republican policies at all. But I would never go ballistic like some people if my canidate didn’t win. The woman at the DNC hearing today were embarrassing. After the ruling one of them shoved someone that was wearing an Obama pin.

To Dan Hussein Osama:
Excactly! I would’t expect anything less from a someone with your worldly knowledge and great wisdom. I also have bridge in Alaska I would like to sell you.

NOTE TO ALL HILARY SUPPORTER: PLEASE VOTE FOR JOHN MCLAME – WE REALLY DON;T NEED YOU TO WIN THE ELECTION – TRUST ME
THERE ARE TRIPLE NUMBERS OF INDEPENDENTS COMPARED TO YOU – WHO WILL VOTE FOR BARACK
YOUR VOTE IS NOT NEEDED AS IT IS A PARTY THING. THE REAL THING ARE THE INDEPENDENT AMERICANS.
SO GO AHEAD–WHIN AND CRY AND VEST YOUR UNJUST ANGER. SIMPLE -YOU LOSEWHICH EVER WAY.

4) Why do we have a lot of uneducated people supporting one candidate than
the other?
Posted by: Sam Houston | May 31, 2008 10:16:48 PM
Yep, Barack Hussein Obama is the most educated person.. been to 57 states. The dude doens’t know squat about US geography.

Hillary lost on February 5th because she underestimated Obama, surrounded herself with a bunch of blow-hard consultant, and was outflanked by the Obama team. Now she wants us to ignore the person who played by the rule just because she’s a Clinton. Competence matters. Fire your consultants, Hillary. They screwed you and you are simply not ready until you have the delegates lead. You are not going to make it. If you’re not careful, this is your last term in the senate. Nobody wants to work with someone like you.

To Dan Hussein Osama:
Excactly! I would’t expect anything less from a someone with your worldly knowledge and great wisdom. I also have bridge in Alaska I would like to sell you.
Posted by: JimBeam70 | May 31, 2008 10:21:03 PM
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I don’t want anything from you. I like to distance myself from loonies… Did you hear Obama just quit his church? I guess he finally realized there’s been too much craziness going on there…

Hillary will be cooperating this week if she wants a job and a future in the democratic party. The noise is bluster.

“Who was charged with perjury, and impeached? Not the media! Should we ever trust the words of someone who perjured at the highest level?” Interesting reminder! Bill Clinton, shut up!

Hi David HUSSEIN Alexander,
I see we both share the same middle name! Hussein! It’s a lovely Muslim name :)
Vote Obama – Vote Muslim! 08

Unfortunately, you are very wrong if you think Obama is going to have a smooth ride to the presidency.
There’s alot more anger than the Obama camp wants people to think.
He may still squeek it out, but I wouldn’t bet on it.
I think it’s more likely the Democratic Party will fracture and collapse.

Anita Dunn?? Who the hell’s she and what the hell is she talking about? Hey, Anita – don’t be soooo AFRAID, Hillary is not going to win>
And here’s the PRIZE you will have, McCain will win in November.
Happy now?

SHe is the one who took away the delegates from these states! She could of easily avoided this by NOT punishing the states in the first place…. or was she trying to steal two primaries becasue she was the only one running?
If she was truly concerned about people’s votes she could have allowed their votes to count in the first place. But then she would have had to compete against other candidates.

Contrya to popualr belief, if Obama SADLY gets the nomination, he will NOT be the first African American to be nominated. He will be the first Arab American to be nominated.
Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother’s side
and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father’s side. While
Barack Hussein Obama’s father was from Kenya, his father’s family
was mainly Arabs.. Barack Hussein Obama’s father was only 12.5% African
Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father’s birth certificate even states
he’s Arab, not African Negro).

Is Hillary Clinton really the one that women want to represent them as “The First Female President”?

The rule is the first one to reach 2026 delegates wins the democratic nomination. No one will reach this number by the end of the last primaries. There’s no such rule that whoever gets the majority of delegates, wins. That’s where the popular vote comes in along with the other factors to be considered. That’s the job of the superdelegates to make a wise decision to come up with a nominee who can best balance the results from electoral map, popular vote, gallaup polls on various voting groups, gallup polls on running against McCain. Also, they should now look at the resumes of each candidate and the depthness of their knowledge on economic policies, foreign policies and national security. Who can best beat McCain not by a whisker or smaller margin but by a reasonable margin. Scared Pelosi should be fired from DNC since she doesn’t know the real job of a superdelegate. If these superdelegates are marred by subjectivesness and the idea of just basing the nomination on the majority of delegates alone then the democratic party will be in a shaky position by November.

“Congratulations to the people of Florida and Michigan who also took time out of their busy lives to pull a level in our democracy. You are now second class citizens of the United States! May God helps our party”
ahhhh isn’t that the exact punishment the Republicans doled out to these two states? Isn’t it the punishment called out in the rules? are you people on drugs, insane or illogical?

The center republicans & independents
will put Obama over the top in November and so will most of today’s whiners who will be quietly voting Obama while swearing they won’t. Today is just one of those noisy days and the trolls are also out.

Do Hillary Clinton supporters realize that even if Hillary Clinton had received 100% of the delegates from both states, she still would be losing by more than 160 votes? I’m just asking because they are acting as if Obama has stolen something from her. She lost. Period. There is no path for the nomination for her. The only way she can claim the popular vote is to leave out the 17 caucuses. Does that seem logical? Also, I keep hearing all these women say they will vote for McCain. Do you all know that McCain wants to overturn Roe v. Wade? Hillary Clinton’s overzealous supporters could set women back 40 years-in every way. Then not only will Clinton have lost, all women will lose. So what, Hillary Clinton is not the nominee. Somebody had to lose.

Carl 29 asked how many Hillary supporters were outside the meeting today at the Wardman Park Hotel.
Someone responded “dozens.” Well, there are Obama trolls out there!
Even in the thunderstorm, which was just coming in when I got there, about 1:30 pm, there were still hundreds present and almost as many when I left at 3:30. I do know that quite a few left after the delegates had gone in as I saw them marching off towards Connecticut Ave as I drove by.
I don’t usually stand outside while there’s lightning strikes and tornado warnings, but I’d just walked blocks after finally finding a parking place that afternoon—probably due to the oncoming storm.
I had tried to get there in the morning (around 8:30), but there was no parking at all within a mile. I know, I spent 2 hours looking and I know DC fairly well. That is DC though.
Most people there seemed to have come up from Florida. Good for them!
I particularly loathe the insidious infringement on the rights of the American people. I’m upset that we don’t care enough about this encroachment and are willing to give up when our rights are stolen out from under us—witness the “Patriot” Act. Call it something nice and that’s all the farther most people will bother thinking. In fact, I was very disappointed that the Democratic Party didn’t stand up and fight for us when that act was proposed.
Today’s decision can, at best, be called half-assed.
The Democrats do seem determined to lose this election. Maybe they don’t want to have to deal with the current mess. Too bad for us.

“He’s not going to wait by the phone like a high-school girl waiting for a date,” said Dunn. “That’s not Barack Obama.” “After Tuesday,” Dunn added, referring to the final contests of South Dakota and Montana, Clinton “can decide how united she wants this party to be.”
Is someone going to inform Team Obama that going out of their way to show contempt for Sen. Clinton is not the best way to “unify” the party and get the votes of her supporters?

I am glad that there was a solution, it solved the dispute, both states got what they wanted, and both campaigns have accepted (except for Ikees regarding Michigan… but that guy is insane). Now is time to unite behind our democratic nominee, Barack Obama.
I am a proud soldier in the US Army and am ready to deploy to Iraq if needed, but -please- help my chances of staying alive through this war and vote Obama.
Obama ’08

To Mary Indy- Republicans did the same thing. Were you complaining then?

U.S. Marine here, and like my brother in arms I will be voting for Obama. He has proven to be a friend to the military and veterans, he has been one of the biggest supporters in Washington for Veterans rights.
Three tours, and I see the signs, there will be a confrontation with Iran this fall, it could be another “Remember the Maine” episode, I just hope Americans don’t fall for the lies a second time.

How is Hillary more electable against McCain when she cant even win an election amongst her party base?

Closer to 90 behind.  (Gotta quit doing math in my head while I’m typing.)

John
Sure you’re in the service and can talk to the heavens and determine the future. Sure!

Audio is out of Bill Clinton recommending the 50-50 split at a recent fundraiser. Hillary actually got more than Bill hoped for in Michigan, so if he’s happy shouldn’t all the cranky lady voters be?

Here’s the problem.
Lets say Hillary gets lucky and wins the nomination.
Conservatives will jump to remind the public of the 90s scandals and current scandals.
Fraud cases, rape allegations, terrorist ties, mysterious death of those whom were to testify against the Clintons etc
She would lose the Independent vote and defected Republicans.
The African American vote would be up for grabs and I believe youth turnout would be low.

“Count all the Votes”
NO
“Play by the Rules”
But…
If we play by the rules, we give Obama an unfair advantage – Hillary won Michigan and Florida.
But…
“How can we COUNT ALL THE VOTES when not everyone voted, and Obama wasn’t even on the ballot in Michigan.”
Nyaah Nyaah Nyaah. Back-and-forth nonsense.
Neither side could claim the high ground in this dispute. Both sides had a point. The DNC up with a fair compromise.
-Seat ALL the delegates
-Count ALL the votes that were cast.
-Give the delegates 1/2 VOTES at the party convention.
Any other approach
1. completely disqualifying MI and FL, 2. seating the delegates with full votes according to the proportions from flawed elections.
Would have torn the party apart.
This was a good compromise.

      “I hope the press at some points asks why the ‘war
      hero’ lost his command and only reached the rank of
      Captain when his dad and granddad were both 4 star
      admirals and he was a graduate of the Academy.”
      Mike | May 31, 2008 10:49:50 PM
I don’t know anything about the allegation that McCain “lost his command”, but I do know that he turned down his first admiral’s star to retire and run for Congress.  (No point in slandering the guy’s military record, even if you’re inclined to vote Democrat.)

Some people make so much noise about Mccain being a war hero. Yes, maybe in the United States but in other countries Mccain will be called a traitor. Real heroes will prefer to die than reveal any secret but Mccain told it all and thats why he was never really mal-treated. They chose to let him go but he decided to stay cos he was comfortable with them. When he was finally forced to go, then here comes an American hero. A true hero will never vote against any bill supporting his fellow heroes. A true hero will be the one championing their course. There will be nothing like a two year veteran or a ten year veteran. Tell that to the heroes who lost their lives in their first day fighting for their country.

WELL, NOW IS THE TIME TO GEAR UP FOR MCCAIN. I SENT HIM A DONATION. THERE ARE DEMOCRATS FOR MCCAIN SITES ONLINE. GOT TO KEEP OBAMA OUT OF OFFICE. HE JUST RESIGNED FROM A CHURCH AFTER 20 YEARS. HE HAD NO PROBLEM WITH THE CHURCH FOR 20 YEARS. SO WHY DID HE LEAVE? OH – ANYTHING TO GET ELECTED.

It is evident that Hillary Clinton has brought out the worst in her supporters during this nomination fight. Her utterly selfish and unwise behaviour has hurt our people, our Democratic Party and our Nation. Hillary, you have failed Bill Clinton too by tarnishing his accomplishments as President.

“don’t know anything about the allegation that McCain “lost his command”, but I do know that he turned down his first admiral’s star to retire and run for Congress.”
that is a lie, he retired because he wasn’t going to get any more promotions and had lost his commmand.

To the 2000 whiners:
The national media (none of whom were or are Bush-friendly) had access to the ballots after the election and recounted them 57 different times and always the same result – Gore lost. The Supreme Court only decided to stop the whining and let the election play out BY THE RULES – i.e., you count the legitimate votes, and then you stop and declare an apparent winner. Then if the margin is close enough you recount them. both of which were done in Florida in 2000. Not good enough for the Democratic Old Guard (Clinton Gore etc); they wanted recount after recount, with the rules changing on each recount to make things swing their way. With all of that, Gore still came out of the short end, time after time after time. It had to stop somewhere. For the last 8 years we are still hearing the same rubbish because for Democrats it isn’t about what is right, it is about being power-crazy.
Now in 2008 the Democratic Old Guard wants (and evidently GOT a recount because the first election UNDER THE RULES didn’t go their way. So they get the rules changed and they still don’t win. So they are going to fight the rules some more.
If Hillary Clinton were somehow to become the President, how is she going to criticize Russia, Zimbabwe and Cuba for being dictators faking it as democracies when she is sponsoring the same thing right here at home?

The new coalition = UNDEMOCRATIC PARTY
3rd World tactics – we might as well live in a communist country. Oh by the way, anybody research Mr. Obama and his communist connections?
http://www.rezkowatch.com
The DNC are looking very communistic along with their Obamaie

“…attack the people who defend your freedoms.”
If you’re not the only one defending people’s freedom, then you are no different than the average voter. You have just one vote. Mariann does not have half a vote.
Obama’s idea is to disband the U.S. military. He simply says there is no need for any military. Negotiations is ALL he needs. He is going to Iran, North Korea and Cuba to meet their leaders and make peace, using his mouth. He might keep a small military just in case he need it to help destroy Israel.

John: My freedom was not defended by people like him it was by people lije mu brother, uncle and three cousins that were in world war II that defended my freedom. Obama doesn’t know the first thing about war. He puts on a good front and has people like you fooled but he couldn’t fool the people in WVa or KY or the big battleground states that Hillary won. Secondly, he has never fought in the war, knows nothing about it and McCain has a better plan than Obama for the veteans because McCain knows what war is all about. This country would be in the biggest disaster it ever seen if he is elected president.

Communism- nice try at fear mongering folks. Typical NeoCon. No way in hell is the US going communist! We love our freedom and any hint at communist policies would be automatic impeachment. It is Impossible! However, elect McCain and we might go Facist since Bush has already laid the groundwork.

DNC…TAKE IT TO DENVER.
YOUR RULES ARE VERY UN-DEMOCRATIC.

Jim Beam 70: You ask if I was complaining about the GOP re the Patriot Act.
Isn’t that answer obvious?
I wrote Bush and told him to put my name on their list as I considered the Patriot Act to be signally unpatriotic. Of course, I wrote to my representatives in Congress, Teddy Kennedy—to thank him for opposing it, and called my rep’s office as well. I posted on various blogs…but no one was listening.
I actively protested the decision to go to Iraq, out in the cold in January on the Mall—where the numbers was vastly undercounted by the Park police, by the way…going by what I’ve seen at DC gatherings like the Moratorium in ’69, July 4th of ’76, Kennedy’s funeral, etc. I wrote letters then too and posted on blogs…but no one was listening.
I’ve been doing it again during this nomination process…and some people are listening to each other. That’s progress. Personally, I hope that Hillary keeps her campaign viable straight to the convention. This country does not need a pat answer or another drive-thru solution, we NEED to think more and try to think deeply.
Oh well! Make of it what you will.
Hey, it’s just another hippie for Hillary! Yuppies love Obama…since they missed all the action to date. SO unreal!

I signed up tonight on McCain’s website and suggest that other Moderate Dems like myself do the same.
I have always been in the middle of the spectrum politically and usually have voted Dem. I do not like how left leaning the party is becoming.
I do not agree on their do nothing approach with illegal immigration and the excessive spending on social programs that end up wasting so much money in the long run.
A recent study, showed that it cost the US almost 10K per year for each illegal immigrant when it comes to education (more expensive with the ESL programs), dependent care (yes they are eligible)and health care.
The Dems have shown that they continue to pander politically to illegals. I have noticed that they are misguided on many points.
Obama is so left leaning and with a Dem Congress and Senate, it is quite scary what is to come. People act like the Dems will solve all of their problems.

mariann, I was refering to myself, you called me stupid for having a differing opinion while I have earned the right to express it. I have served my time and deserve more respect. Semper Fi

“Mariann why do you say that 52% of college kids are on drugs. Enlighten me please.”
Fifty-two percent will be an UNDERESTIMATE. Nearly half of them can’t even located New Jersey on the map. Two thirds of them have no idea what the fuss is about the number 1776. Over half of them think if elected President Obama can fire the entire United States Congress, the House and the Senate, and appoint Senators and Representatives who will support his policies. These ARE the voters who have propelled Obama so far.

I can’t believe I just read a Clinton supporter (HRC2008) complain Obama is racist, especially with all the race baiting coming from her campaign and supporters. And quite frankly, the racist elements of their campaign tend to undercut their complaints of sexism. The sad fact is that I have seen both during the campaign, and the are both despicable. However, I didn’t notice sex-based attacked coming from the Obama campaign, but from individuals. I did see race-based attacks coming from the Clinton campaign as well as from individuals.

“Try again, Sweetie!” ~ Tony
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Wow, Tony, that was pretty sexist, no?

Mike
You ASSERT that McCain lost his command, you say “he retired because he wasn’t going to get any more promotions AND HAD LOST HIS COMMAND.
======================================
That’s a pretty serious charge. I never heard McCain “lot his command”. From what I remember, it is true he wasn’t getting the promotions he hoped for, but that’s hardly the same as losing his command. I checked Wikipedia (admittedly, not always reliable), and all that is written there is that McCain left the Navy to start his political career
because “he was unlikely to ever make full admiral, as he had poor annual physicals and had been given no major sea command.[62] In early 1981, he was told he would be made rear admiral; he declined the prospect, as he already made plans to run for Congress and said he could “do more good there.”[63]
Sources: New York Times.
What are your sources?

I thought the Florida decision was completely fair and a relatively easy call to make. Florida’s problem was created by the Republican controlled state government so the state Democratic party really didn’t have much say in the matter and it is easy to be sympathetic to their plight.
BUT, Michigan was a totally different matter. The Michigan Democratic party intentionally moved their primary up just from some misplaced ego and weird desire to “be more important.” It was a very flawed election and not having Obama or Edwards on the ballot made it impossible to really determine the will of the voters. But one thing was for sure – of the people who did vote, 40% of them voted for “Anybody but Clinton.” Hardly a resounding pro-Clinton moment to run unopposed and still almost lose.
Clinton’s bunch trying to push the idea that since Obama wasn’t on the ballot then he shouldn’t get of these votes was a real stretch. Really, she is asking to be rewarded for breaking the rules. As contentious as the Michigan decision was, I thought the committee bent over backwards to placate the Clinton people. If I had sat on that committee I would have recommended they condemn the Michigan primary as fatally flawed and completely strip them of all their delegates period. That seems like that would have been the fairest solution of all.
Hopefully these errant states have learned their lesson and we won’t have to go through this again in four years.

“Some explanations are needed here:
1)How can somebody who can not convincinly win the primary election be more electable than who won?”
#1. Easily when one realizes that the general election will not be conducted under rules that give more votes to the loser than to the winner, nor will a person’s vote count more or less depending on the district one lives in.
If you think this primary has been fair to the voters, you need to go and read all the rules of the DNC and the states for assigning delegates.

It’s been reported that the Michigan vote was actually going to go approve the 50/50 split, but Obama’s people conceded, in the interest of unity, and asked, instead, to go with the MDP compromise of 69-59. Classy.

Matt: Evidently you don’t listen to the news at all. It was stated that 52% of college students are on drugs plus there are numerous drop outs because they cannot master the courses. Plus there are other types of drugs they take to keep them going. If you are not aware of that something is wrong with you. Everyone in this country knows that many college students are on drugs. Obama was addicted to drugs and booze in this college days. Where have you been? He admitted to it in public.

@ brynb2:
You’re mistaken….the Democratic party is not unified at all! The DNC, with Dean, Pelosi, Kerry, and Kennedy have ruined the party, along with Obama. I’m a democrat and always have been one, but this year, the nomination was ripped from Hillary, I don’t care what you say. Yeah, it will kill me to vote for McCain, but I will do it to keep the idiot Obama out of the White House. And, guess, what….17million other Clinton supporters will do the same thing. This will go to the credentials committee, just wait and then to the convention. There will be discord, and I want Obama and his StuperDelegates to have to cringe and feel the pressure and worries just like they have given Hillary for the last 16 mos. Anything to keep Obama out of office is GREAT! Keep thinking there will be unity….I’m laughing at you….it will NEVER happen in 2008. Start practice saying, President McCain! Maybe you can help Obama find a new church….looks like he’s going to have a lot of time after November 4th!

      “that is a lie, he retired because he wasn’t going to get
      any more promotions and had lost his commmand.”
      mike | May 31, 2008 10:59:11 PM
I’m afraid I’m going to have to take personal offense at that (being called a liar there–McCain can be offended for himself or not, as the spirit moves him).
If the powers that be will permit me this defense on a subject that’s obviously off their topic, I’m gonna link to MSNBC
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24883802/
(I recalled it a little off–he was in line for promotion to admiral, hadn’t actually been offered it yet.)
      “The Long Run
      By David D. Kirkpatrick
      updated 11:12 p.m. ET, Thurs., May. 29, 2008
      WASHINGTON – At a meeting in his Pentagon office in
      early 1981, Secretary of the Navy John F. Lehman told
      Capt. John S. McCain III that he was about to attain
      his life ambition: selection for admiral.
      “But Mr. McCain, the son and grandson of revered Navy
      admirals, was having second thoughts about following
      his family’s vocation. He had spent the previous four
      years as the Navy’s liaison to the Senate, sampling life
      in the world’s most exclusive club as he escorted its
      members on trips around the globe — sitting with the
      sultan of Oman on the floor of his desert tent, or
      smuggling a senator’s private supply of Scotch through
      Saudi Arabian customs.”
      from the New York Times

I have never seen a more sore bunch of loosers, I have seen less whining from a 2 year old whose lollipop was snatched. What a pathetic bunch of whiners these people are, what immature people, I cannot believe what I’m reading from some of these supporters of Hillary Clinton. Whew!!

It’s time that all democrats united amongst the party. Clearly Hilary has lost and lost fairly by the rules of the DNC. I have voted twice for George Bush and am that independent in the middle. I voted for George McGovern also. I’m voting for Barack Obama because I’m fed up with Republican nonsense. When someone is hired for the job and fails in basically all categories, you fire them. Barack has won-get with it!

“If you’re not the only one defending people’s freedom, then you are no different than the average voter. You have just one vote. Mariann does not have half a vote.
Obama’s idea is to disband the U.S. military. He simply says there is no need for any military. Negotiations is ALL he needs. He is going to Iran, North Korea and Cuba to meet their leaders and make peace, using his mouth. He might keep a small military just in case he need it to help destroy Israel.” ~Brent
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You’re LYING Brent. Obama wants to expand our military:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/foreignpolicy/#21st-century-military
The Problem: The excellence of our military is unmatched. But as a result of a misguided war in Iraq, our forces are under pressure as never before. Obama will make the investments we need so that the finest military in the world is best-prepared to meet 21st-century threats.
Rebuild Trust: Obama will rebuild trust with those who serve by ensuring that soldiers and Marines have sufficient training time before they are sent into battle.
Expand the Military: We have learned from Iraq that our military needs more men and women in uniform to reduce the strain on our active force. Obama will increase the size of ground forces, adding 65,000 soldiers to the Army and 27,000 Marines.
New Capabilities: Obama will give our troops new equipment, armor, training, and skills like language training. He will also strengthen our civilian capacity, so that our civilian agencies have the critical skills and equipment they need to integrate their efforts with our military.
Strengthen Guard and Reserve: Obama will restore the readiness of the National Guard and Reserves. He will permit them adequate time to train and rest between deployments, and provide the National Guard with the equipment they need for foreign and domestic emergencies. He will also give the Guard a seat at the table by making the Chief of the National Guard a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Mariann, I think you are the one on drugs. I am a news junkie and have never heard this about college students. But let me tell you that college kids in these times are very much into politics. I have 2 kids in college and they both major in political science and know a lot about this process. And they are not the only ones. I don’t know how old you are and I don’t really care but college kids are not all about drinking and doing drugs, that was back in the 70′s. The kids today are very knowledgable. So please give them credit and stop degrading them.

i find it hilarious the way people throw out “Hussein” whenever they want to be racist funny.

God > Country >>>>>>>>>> Party
Four years ago, it was John “Marrying John Heinz’s Rich Widow” “Pretender” Kerry. Kerry had been voted the MOST liberal Senator the year before.
You know who was the No. 1 liberal Senator in 2007? Obama. He was to the left of Kerry and Bernie Sanders. Sanders himself is a socialist as he said so himself. Obama was LEFT of a socialst.
LET’S WAIT UNTIL NOVEMBER 4 2008 TO SEE WHO THE LOSER REALLY IS.
Clinton > McCain >>>>>>>>> Obama

David your ignorance is only outweighed by your kuth

@ Mariann Pepitone :
I agree with you….what’s important is that Obama DOES NOT WIN in the GE! We, as Clinton supporters, have the power to keep this “rat” out of office…..lets keep the turmoil going, all the way to the convention…..then, see what Hillary does, if she concedes, lets go for McCain….give him our votes, keep Sodama out of the White House! Hillary supporters, we can do this….lets do it!

After reading the posts on this blog, I can see that most of these posters threatening to vote McCain were going to do so whether Hillary won or not. You’re a MINORITY, and not true Democrats, and I doubt it’s going to have much affect on the election.
Hillary had 2-300 supporters today, she claimed she had 10,000 coming. She’s never been good at math.

I don’t have a horse in the DNC race, however:
1) They only diminished the voting power of the pledged delegates in FL, MI by 50% – not the supers.
This is a back-handed approach to this issue. The people who had the least say in everything that happened were the voters.
The same party leaders for FL, MI who had some culpability in the decision making process should have had their voting power diluted by 50% as well – or instead of the pledged delegates.
This effectively means that the only “punishment” meted out by the DNC was on the voters.
2) There is absolutely nothing sustainable about the delegate allotment for MI.
Either the outcome of the primary has a proportional meaning or it doesn’t. If it does, honor it. If not, flip the onus back onto MI to determine a way to have a fair primary… if they can’t then they forfeit their delegates.
Instead, the Rules Committee has rendered a decision that is completely arbritary and has no foundation on precident, procedure or rules.
…
It’s kind of fun to watch though…

Darlene- well said

“Mission Accomplished 2″ – Right!
Go Hillary!

davidfromtexas: You got it. I am voting for McCain if Hillary doesn’t win the nomination. However David, what she should do is declare herself an independent so she can knock him out of the presidency. That would fix Nancy, Dean and Reid for good. And it would not bother me one bit if McCain got elected. I have been a democrat all my life but not for someone like ObamaOsama.

No sexism here:
“He’s not going to wait by the phone like a high-school girl waiting for a date,” said Obama advisor Anita Dunn. “That’s not Barack Obama.”

If Obama supporters actually thought he was a sure thing they would not be clogging the blogs trying to alternately schmooze and demean HRC supporters.
They would instead be relishing their already announced victory and just chillin’. Why waste celebration time in here, with a bunch of losers? If they were truly confident?
Yet here they are? Why? Because they are in a panic. They cry out that they have won, yet have won nothing!
And because they know Obama has actually won nothing either. All they have is “hope”, and a wish that we HRC supporters will “change” our minds
We are here because we take nothing for granted, that anything is still possible. That Hillary is the only choice to win the GE, and that we need to hold onto our resolve, and keep on “pushing”.
We know, and they know, that we Hillary Clinton supporters absolutely hold the keys to this election. We are resolute in our decision to never vote for Obama.
No ifs, ands, or buts! Our votes are now the most important factor regarding who is the next President of the US.
Without us, especially if multitudes vote for McCain because he is the best alternative to Obama, the DNC goes down in flames for the third straight time.
I welcome the Democratic Party implosion. Perhaps what arises from the rubble will be a truly Democratic Party, worthy of the Democracy element in its name.

      1) They only diminished the voting power of the
      pledged delegates in FL, MI by 50% – not the supers.
      Joseph777 | May 31, 2008 11:34:15 PM
Nope, they also cut the superdelegates from Florida and Michigan to ½ vote each.

West Texas and david from texas: Great posts!!!
The half-vote ruling and fighting Obama supporters trying to break all party rules during the March 4th and 29th caucuses in Texas have strengthened my believe that no taking the fight to Denver will be a historic mistake.
2 months are like an eternity in politics.

Nicholas,Hussein_T_E, Dan Hussein_O:
Why do people keep saying Hussein Obama. You idiots, don’t you know that one of our best allies in the middle east–Jordan–was led by King Hussein.
His son now rules and is a friend of America and has established coed schools based on his education experience in the United States.
BTW: King Hussein’s wife was American. Using Hussein as a negative insults his memory and country. If Obama was named after anybody it was King Hussein of Jordan a great friend of America.
Shame on you all.

Mariann:
I loved how Ickes came back at the DNC today and stated that Hillary will take it to the credentials committee. The anger we have is because of the way that Obama has played behind the scenes to destroy her. However, what he doesnt realize is that he has destroyed himself in the process. There was a lot of hate and vengeance in that meeting today and believe me, it will continue to grow. Hillary supporters will unite, no matter what you Obamabots hope for, they will unite to continue the fight for Hillary, even if it does mean voting for McCain…..we will do all that we can to keep Obama out of the White House……he’s going to lose and I can’t wait! It’s going to be so much fun to see those purple lips of his crying in anguish!

Joseph777, get yer facts straight. Both MI and FL supers were diminished to half votes as well. ALL Delegates are half votes, not just the pledged delegates.

West Texas, you (with David from TX and Marianne Pepitone) are doing quite a bit of blog clogging yourselves.
My guess is you’re all GOP trolls. Maybe all one & the same.

David from Texas,
Hillary lost because she was a bad candidate, tactician, and was untrustworthy! Now, because of her treachery we are seeing the beginnings of a psychologically unstable female candidate. We should all thank God for Barack Obama.

brynb2, lee c.
“Joseph777, get yer facts straight. Both MI and FL supers were diminished to half votes as well. ALL Delegates are half votes, not just the pledged delegates.”
Every article I have read makes no mention of the supers. Further, RealClearPolitics has just updates with the latest delegate counts. The pledged are updated and the supers unchanged at 797.
The Rules Committee didn’t touch the supers at all.

I’ll be straight up about it.
I’m not for party unity, either.
You Obama supporters just can’t wrap your heads around the fact that a whole lot of people just don’t love your candidate.
Even if he was the only guy in the Dem race, I’m sure he’d tick off just as many people.
Get it through your heads, its not about Clinton or her supporters.
It’s about Obama.

david from texas: You have that right. And the media keeps referring to him as black. For educated people they don’t know that he is Mulatto? He is the offspring of a black/white marriage and that’s the name given to those children. He would never be the first black president. Jesse Jackson would have been if he had won the presidency. Yes, we have to keep him from being elected even if all of Hillary’s voters vote for McCain. Anyone but him. He is arrogant, for graduating college, he can’t form the words for his own speech, he uses the speeches of RFK and was given a book of his speeches to study. Keeping him from the presidency will prevent his run of the mouth wife Michele from being first lady.

Who are you Hillary posters?? Are you even US citizens?? Are you paid??
I found this reference to Sylvia Johnsen online…..Hmmm.
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New rules, old rules – no matter! Superdelegates will decide this election, and since they are free agent with the right to change their mind it is only logical to take it to the convention. After all, Ted Kennedy did in 1980 with four times as many delegates to win than what Hillary needs.
Sylvia Johnsen, Oslo, Norway

david from texas, I voted for Obama in the primary but would gladly vote for Hillary if she is the nominee. But your venom is disturbing. Texas will go republican so unless you are planning to move how are you going to help Obama lose.

Mark: Nice talk, troll.

I was ashamed of the (mostly) women who were rudely shouting during the Rules and Bylaws meeting of the DNC. How do they think behaving like sore losers is going to help their candidate? From my viewpoint, I think they just made those of us supporting Senator Obama happier than ever with our choice of candidate.

I am one of Hilary’s natural constituency – a white, middle-aged woman. I would have voted for her happily had she won the nomination – but she didn’t.
I ask all those who want to fight about it at Denver – what’s more important? Disappointed hopes about a particular candidate, or the the country’s future? I shudder to think of President McCain, but that’s what the continued infighting will buy. Do you want the policies and appointments that will come from a president McCain?

I just realized that Hillary would be a bad president for the United States. She would put her ego first, before the need of American people.

lisa….sorry, just a little upset at the whole process and how they have tried to destroy the superior candidate. I agree, Texas will go Republican, and if for some reason, Hillary is not in contention, I WILL vote for McCain……anything to keep, as you say, Obama out of the White House!

I am a Democrat and am running from the train wreck that is Obama’s candidacy. I can proudly say I voted for Hillary and had nothing to do with Obama’s impending collapse in November.

It was a wonderful debate, heated yes.. but the outcome was as fair as it could be. Its clear now that Barack Obama will be the nominee, lets come together and rally behind him! Hillary, I was all for you taking it to the DNC, but they have spoken. I wish you will think about not only the party but for the democratic voters who have want to support an official democratic nominee against McCain. Stop dragging this on, exit gracefully and lets move on already! If you take this to Denver, my take on you will change from you being a strong smart woman who’s best interest is the future of our democratic party, to a divider who’s best interest is yourself before the party. Our future depends on this race, if you keep causing turmoil in the party you are basically screwing with my future and I won’t stand for it.

Its funny now but when the DNC called me for more money and tried to convince me McCain was the enemy I told them that I could not help feeling that Barack Obama was the enemy and is the enemy and I will vote for John McCain just to keep Obama out of the white house and show the DNC that their gamble of Obama wil not pay off.

I wish Hillary would take it to the convention. As Obama poll numbers slide it would be a delight. I’d like to show the 30 who decided MI and FL fate today. I will stay will Hillary as long as she’s in but I will not support Obama even if Hillary endorses him.

McCain never called hhis wife names in public. That was a story put out during a campaign by his opponents. Check Urban Legends….

Hillary is a sore loser. The Michigan and Floridian Dem’s crafted a resolution that has united them in those states but she wants to go against them. I wonde who they think thye will meet in Denver. Aliens?

The democrats would rather lose with Obama than win with Hillary yet are playing a dangerous game ignoring women and rural voters. Obama will not win in November but the party could be divided beyond repair. I’m not seeing unity. I don’t feel inspired in fact I’m mad and I feel let down.
Obama has divided this country. I will will laugh in glee when he loses the election. Yes John McCain will be better than Barack Obama. If I vote for Nader there is a chance Obama can get in I will do whatever it takes to keep him and Michelle out of the white house.

Those of you who are voting for McCain because Hillary is going to lose… I better not see you crying later on if God forbid McCain does win the general. You better suck it up with the war, with the gas prices and everything else that you all cry about now. That’s the most stupidest thing I ever heard “If Hillary doesnt win Im voting republican!”, Obama and Clinton’s views are way more alike then that of McCains. What a bunch of dumb crybabies.

david from texas, I voted for Obama but would vote for Hillary if she is the nominee. I am a dem and don’t agree with republican policies. Can you please answer a question for me.
I know you don’t like Obama and I respect that, but you can vote him out in 4 years. Some justices will probably retire within the next term and then McCain will appoint conservative judges that last for life. I’m just trying to understand 4 years vs life. It just doesn’t make sense to me.

I think it’s interesting how vague the Obama haters are on this board about WHY they hate Obama so much.
What exact makes Obama an ‘empty suit,’ a ‘thug,’ a ‘train wreck,’ an ‘enemy,’ etc?

Obama will join the Democratic losers club. Only Bill Clinton was successful. They could have won the white house will Hillary but chose to take a gamble on Barack. A dangerous game ignoring women and rural votes. As Donna Brazile has gleefully stated that the Democrats do not need a base. For every supporter they lose they feel they can find another voter who supports Obama. He didn’t even win one Blue state except for Illinois and may have trouble there when he comes back to the Senate in November. Most are fed up with him in Illinois. He is a do nothing senator who has ill served Illinois. In the three years as senator he has written a book, visited his homeland Africa on the taxpayers and ran for president. I don’t think he voted on any major legislation. Again, this is his strategy that will backfire and I will laugh and laugh come November.

Obama will join the Democratic losers club. Only Bill Clinton was successful. They could have won the white house will Hillary but chose to take a gamble on Barack. A dangerous game ignoring women and rural votes. As Donna Brazile has gleefully stated that the Democrats do not need a base. For every supporter they lose they feel they can find another voter who supports Obama. He didn’t even win one Blue state except for Illinois and may have trouble there when he comes back to the Senate in November. Most are fed up with him in Illinois. He is a do nothing senator who has ill served Illinois. In the three years as senator he has written a book, visited his homeland Africa on the taxpayers and ran for president. I don’t think he voted on any major legislation. Again, this is his strategy that will backfire and I will laugh and laugh come November.

LSekhmet, The 69-59 split was a proposal from the Michigan Democratic Party Officials based upon actual voters’ exit polls, Obama write-in ballots, etc. They all felt it was a reasonable estimation. Ickes disagreed as he was looking at it strictly from the percentages – and ignoring other factors. Obama had the votes for a 50/50 ruling, but felt this was the better choice…Clinton ended up with more delegates as a result – so what’s the complaint? Are 4 delegates who get to vote as 1/2 each (2 delegates) that big a deal, under the circumstances, to fight over? Will 2 delegates make that big a difference with her 176 behind?

West Texas, what I will do is campaign vigourously for Barack Obama, donate whatever I can to his campaign and convince all my family and friends to do so as well! That’s how I will deal it! What did you think? I was going to come to your house and blow it up? LOL!! Loser.

Hillary loses! America wins! YEEAAHHH!!!!

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1000. Democratic Party
Clinton > McCain >>>>>>>>>> Obama

Gee, more condescending comments from the Obamination (Abomination?)…
“We will take care of her is she behaves.” Well, that’ll bring in a lot of Clinton supporters!
Oh, yes, there are intelligent and industrious college students… supporting Hillary Clinton! Ask the baby bamas what the great bama plans to do… it’s amusing and pathetic.
A bama is a wannabe in DC slang…how very appropriate!

Dear Hillary Clinton Supporters,
I know that you are unhappy that your candidate is destined not to win the nomination of the Democratic Party. As an Obama supporter, we respect your and respect your enthusiasm for your candidate. But despite your passion, the fundemental reason you candidate couldn’t win is not due to anything we as Obama supporter did to disenfanchise your candidate. Its not because of our of others sexism, or media bias, or any other excuse which, like it or not, really sounds like whinning (who was it who said, if you can’t handle the heat, get out of the kitchen)? No. Her lost can be attributed to simply alignment of the stars. People know Hillery, more generally the Clintons, and she represents many (at least partially though her association with her husband)old school politics in a year where all politicians are out of favor. This is a year where a candidate with that type of baggage, no matter how astute in their political skills, will not be able to connect with the majority of voters. So while most democrats and independents, given the choise between McCain and Clinton, would choose the later, the winds of time favor someone who offers the nation a departure from the past and all the divisions that we are all too familar with. As a Edwards supporter, Obama offers a clear alternative, addressing (often unspoken) underlying national problems. This connects to the hearts of those who want solutions for the many, not just the few/one. The gas rebate issue which came to light during indiana is symbolic of the difference. While many say his campaign is all words (oratory), great presidents are neither intellectually brilliant nor overly skilled in in perception, but rather led by passion, inclusion, consultation and deep reflection with minimal consideration of the short range or personal political ramifications. Clinton (or McCain) lack these characteristics or attributes. Which leads me again to why Hillary lost. Please: its not sexism. She gets more than a proportionate percentate of support from women in a party disproportionately female. My lack of support for her has nothing to do with her sex, as i can think of many women i have voted for, and would consider for president. What it is is character. The fact that she’s is the very persona of a politician in a times where being a politican is clearly unfavored. But it is also the message. Some say She found her voice (late), but the political translation of that is she found the message/spin combination that fit the environment/time. The play is over, and now a more exciting and important act opens. When that curtain opens for the next act, please join the Democratic effort to roll back the Republican years of disgrace and damage and lead with unity this nation to grateness again.

Hillary should have gotten out long before today. It was clear that the MATHS did not lie. Her campaign debt grew by the minutes to over $20 millions, the super delegates abandoned her, she played dirty, she lost fair and square. Part of her base that is made of racists and ignorants will vote for McCain because it is not about the party ideology. They can’t afford to pay Hillary’s debt but would rather have a $10 a gallon of gas, more job outsourcing, 3 more wars of 100 years with Iran Syria and Korea, Roe Vs Wade reversed, social security privatized, a draft in the military, more housing crisis, tax cut for the riches, no affordable healthcare….This is the price to pay for the loyal Clintonites. That amounts to become a suicide bomber.

nicely said Scott in PacNw.
A dem will win in Nov. And It will be Obama.

I’m glad the delegates have been seated with the appropriate punishment for MI and FL, and hopefully Clinton and her annoying campaign will go away. It’s amazing how she said those primaries wouldn’t count when she was ahead in the polls, but when she fell behind she suddenly decided that they should be counted. What a hypocrite…

mary indy, I don’t like how some Hillary supproters portray our college kid as druggies. That is so unfair to them.

“After Tuesday,” Dunn added, referring to the final contests of South Dakota and Montana, Clinton “can decide how united she wants this party to be.”
You have to love it. He is not waiting on her and if she wants her power within the party to continue she best fall in line.
Make no mistake he doesn’t make it this time there is no 2012 for Clinton.

Wow! Vote fore McCain? Calling Barrack a Muslim? Support Hillary or else? Sounds more like Republican operation chaos than democrats.

West Texas:
I think she meant exactly what she said. Obamabots do NOT want us to contaminate their pool. Their morals are dictated by Messrs. Wright, Farrakhan and Pfleger. We are only going to distract them when their hearts and minds are touched by these esteemed spiritual leaders.
Clinton > McCain >>>>>>>>>> Obama

I just saw the demise of the Clinton’s today on national tv. GO DNC!

$4 a gallon is what a war of 100 years cost to this country with 4000 troops killed. You add McCain 3 more wars of 100 years in Iran, Syria and Korea that will equate to $16 a gallon and 16000 troops killed. Vote for McCain and be ready to pay a heavy price for the stupidity.

I understand it is difficult to concede a position, even when it is in the interest of the greater good. Now is the time for democrats to put our collective ego’s aside and to consider that whether it is Clinton or Obama winning the nomination, we as a party have “more that unites us than divides us”. Let’s move on to try to salvage what is left of our great nation and put it on a path of recovery – something I cannot believe can be done with another 4 years of republican “leadership”. Let us also pledge to one another to fix the problems with the nominating process so we can avoid the spectacle of this election in the future.

Joseph777, You may want to re-check your assumptions. My understanding is that both MI and FL delegates AND superdelegates are seated with one half vote each.

Lisa:
McCain would not be able to get conservative judges approved by Congress…he’d need to advance moderates. Actually, he’s been considered a moderate and that has caused him trouble with the GOP, in case you haven’t noticed. Remember? They’ve been concerned that he couldn’t carry the conservatives?
It seems to me that those who are identifying them-selves as Independents are not for Obama. I’m certainly not. I began voting as a Dem and have never missed a vote. I went independent a long time ago, when it appeared to me that both parties were rotten to the core. I rejoined because of Hillary’s logic and command of the facts and possibilities. It was so refreshing not to have to listen to fluff. Though I usually, not always, vote Dem as the lesser of two evils, I got excited this time about having someone worth voting for. If I have to go back to choosing between the lesser of two evils again, I’d still rather have an experienced hand at the helm than another Bush-style robot.

Folks, please get yourselves a life! Please come back in three days and read your own posts – I am sure you’ll find it quite pathetic.
If you guys and gals, who make up the electorate, don’t grow up, then where’s the future of this country? GW Bush got elected because, in my view, the electorate lost its mind (at least in 2004, if not in 2000, when the Supreme Court took care of it).
Let’s not go there again by acting like rabid dogs.

Are there any Clinton supporters that complained when the votes were originally stripped?
Anybody out there that, when the decision was made, said it was wrong and that every vote should count?

We will win

If the Lord Obama can call people sweetie, so can I. He’s a great role model for black men…
“Wow, Tony, that was pretty sexist, no?
Posted by: brynb2

I am sick, sick, sick of hearing people say they will vote for McCain if they can’t have Hillary. You have every right to vote for McCain. So, go for it. However, I would also suggest that since you plan on voting FOR continuing the war that after you cast your vote you head on down to the recruiting office of your choice and sign up to fight FOR a war you will be voting for. If you are going to vote for McCain be willing to fully support his agenda.
While you’re there you can explain to all the other soldiers that are there why you voted for them to continue to be there. Then explain to them that they will have to stay in the military a longgggggggg time because your candidate doesn’t believe in a GI bill unless they stay in there until they’re 40.
Also, while you’re in the area maybe you could swing by Iran, Pakistan, Syria, Turkey, (sorry if I left anyone out) and bomb, bomb, bomb.
When you return gas will probably be $10 a gallon by then, if in fact you do return. Your house will be foreclosed on and your job will probably be shipped overseas. But, hey look on the bright side. Hillary may be a Senator of one of those “hard-working white people states. You can always move there.
The website is:
http://www.johnmccain.com
Good Luck and Come Home Soon!

While the country is suffering at home, the war in Irak cost to the taxpayer $20 billions a month, add 3 more wars from McCain then the total cost will be $80 billions a month. 80% of the people believe the country is going to wrong direction. Expect McCain to move that number to 100% just 3 months after taking over from Bush.

Lee – you need to look in the mirror. LOL. I’m not whining. I’m just not voting for Obamarama. LOL – what’s wrong with that?
“I have never seen a more sore bunch of loosers, I have seen less whining from a 2 year old whose lollipop was snatched. What a pathetic bunch of whiners these people are, what immature people, I cannot believe what I’m reading from some of these supporters of Hillary Clinton. Whew!!

It boggles the mind why Clinton supporters would want to drag this out until 3 months before the general election.
That gives the party 3 months to unify a party that between now and then would become only more divided.
Sounds like a recipe for failure.

Don’t worry Mary. You and your whitey hating America bashing homies can have the Democratic nomination. I’ll be voting for America (and I know that drives you crazy!!!!!)

Lisa, Mary, Lauren, wakeupwhiners, Dana, Mary, Jake Crawford, Sheila, It’s over , Thinking, dncfan, Marie, DemocracyWon, Michael, etc. are all out-sourced, $4 an hour, Obama posers.
Most with non U.S. IPs, posting from non U.S. time zones.
They are changing names, using scripted attacks and rebuttals.
Blogs are full of them. Posts follow same theme with few variations.
Notice their English, phrasing, and syntax. Pathetic!

David from Texas wrote: “For those of you who say people from Texas gave you Bush, you’re wrong. America voted for Bush…..Texas is one state among 50, so your claim is bull!”
Texas did give us GWB. That’s just a fact. How can you claim otherwise?
(Nice job of trying to kick him to the curb though.)

Political Realist Losers are really cute when they have one of their widdle tantrums. It has been fun crushing them under our boots all year long. It will be even more fun in November!!!

To the Hillary supporters who have had to endure a narrow defeat but understand the big picture (beating McCain): I applaud you and I know how it feels to lose a big, important battle, so I also empathize with you.
To the Hillary supporters who say they are now going to support McCain, who is OPPOSED TO EVERY MAJOR POLITICAL POSITION HILLARY IS FOR: Do you hate Obama so much that you will vote against all of your candidate’s positions in November? If so, please go back to focusing your time voting on reality TV.

west texas, I live in Md and haven’t changed names. What are you talking about.

When the world ends I hope I’m in West Texas because they are 30 years behind the rest of civilization there!! Giddyup, LOSERS!!

Mary I’m voting for McCain. Get over it already. I know that upsets you but don’t worry sweetie (Obama’s term) mama will make it all better.

Since he passed his audition at the Democratic convention in 2004, Senator Obama has been taken over by George Soros and other hedge fund millionaires to launch a campaign out of nowhere, based on nothing but rhetoric and Wall Street millions. As darling of the rich elitist Kennedy/Kerry/Dean wing of the Democratic Party, Obama’s pseudo-Camelot will deliver Wall Street and the Anglo-American financiers the goods while disguised in a patina of racial teflon and faux populism from the upper crust.

She is cooked. The primaries are over on Tuesday and QUEEN Hillary will be history. Vote for McCain if you wish, sore losers.

My mistake Political Realist, read the wrong IP.

A reporter asked the Political Realist what he thought about the President’s Civil Rights Bill. He answered, “If he owes it, I reckon he should pay it.”

DEMOCRATS FOR AMERICA!!!!!!
MCCAIN 2008
HILLARY 2012!!!!!!!!!

West Texas needs grief counseling.

david from texas- not me homeskillet. Why don’t you prove it.

I’m hoping Hillary wants this party as fractured as it already IS. There is nothing she can do or say to her supporters to convince them to vote for that drek Obama. I only pray she keeps her name off the ticket so he can lose on his own!
HILLARY SUPPORTERS FOR McCAIN!

Crybaby losers for McCain!!! Who cares what they think? They lost big time once. They’ll lose worse in November. Once a loser, always a LOSER!!

Yes Debra — you have many fellow Democrats like me who will also be voting for McCain. It’s painful but we have to put our country ahead of our party. But we will be voting for Democratic senators and congressmen who can work with moderate McCain.

OK, the bamas are getting boring in their insults.
No, I don’t want the war in Iraq to go on. No, I don’t want Roe v Wade overturned…and so on.
What I really don’t want is an inexperienced dummy in charge…like the one we’ve just lived through for 8 years. Who will be whispering “sweet nothings” in bama’s ear when he tries to answer questions he doesn’t understand. What am I talking about? How about his plan to just talk to all the heads of state with whom we have problems? He’s been retrenching on that position ever since he used it to sell himself on campus. Who bought into it? The ever-hopeful, ignorant, and inexperienced.

at JayJay: *lol*
I think Michelle Obama in the White House would make Hillary look like Laura Bush. That’s one vile, ugly, angry lady.
But that’s not going to happen, as I look forward to the inauguration of President McCain. It’s a done deal.

Speaking as someone who is not from America, and has no real stake in either Democratic candidate. Can I just say this:
It has been a tough race. But Obama himself, and the far majority of his supporters, have conducted themselves in a far more mature and noble way than Hillary Clinton and you, her cronies.
There are a lot (in fact, another far majority) of Hillary Clinton supporters that have/will concede defeat if/when it is clear to them she has lost, and will instead vote their logical second choice and best candidate for their interests: Barack Obama.
To vote for McCain, the nominee your beloved Hillary Clinton is herself against, just because you’re bitter she didn’t win is both dangerous and incredibly petty. You do not care about what is best for your family or country, you have become the unintentional victims is a cult of personality.
The truth is this: there is no circumstance in which some of you people would concede defeat to Obama. Not if he had 99% of the vote. You are not thinking straight and the rest of the world is laughing at you.

Dukakis.
Mondale.
McGovern.
Kerry.
Obama.
Republicans are dancing in the streets, as they well should.

Jon — I don’t know what country you are from. But trust me, unless you are from China or Russia (doubtful) you are pretty insignificant in the world and I’m sure we would be laughing at you if we had the time to pay attention to little countries.

Don’t worry. Obama will protect us from those who would kill us all.
*hysterical, manical laughter*

God must hate Hillary since he made her a LOSER!!!

Please, read this. Educate yourself. Learn something.
http://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Fascism-American-Mussolini-Politics/dp/0385511841

“He’s not going to wait by the phone like a high-school girl waiting for a date,” said Dunn. “That’s not Barack Obama.”
This is a particularly sad analogy for an Obama spokesperson to offer — given that women are fed up with the demeaning treatment that has been accorded Clinton by the Obama campaign and the media.

Obama/Clark ’08 for President!!!
Clinton/Peter Paul ’08 for President of the Federal Prison!

why do people keep bringing this 57 states thing up? He most likely meant 57 states and territories including Washington DC, Peurto Rico, Virgin Islands, etc. You people who don’t get that and think Obama doesn’t know geography are pretty dumb.

Yet another lifelong Democrat here, voting for McCain. Just checking in and saying hello to everyone.

Hey Jon, nobody gives a damn where you’re from. This is an American board and media outlet. Take your anti-American views blow them out your arse.

Obama resigning from Trinty Church today is like a candidate resigning from the KKK after 20 years.
That candidate could use Obama’s line.
“Yeah! I sat in the meetings for 20 years, hung out with them, called them my spiritual leaders, put them in my campaign, etc.
And yes I titled a book after one of the grand klegle’s speeches, quoted him regularly, and based my life on the teachings of him and the grand dragon.
But I never heard them say anything but good stuff, and had no idea they were racists.
None of it had any effect on me, I was oblivious. So was my wife. We really were there because we just have a thing about clean sheets and brightly lit crosses.”

I’m not anti-American whatsoever.
My first post was anti-hysteria
And my second was anti-bigotry.
And I won’t stop posting here unless I want to.

Sheila, thanks for giving us permission to vote for McCain, although if you do the math you surely see that your candidate can’t win with only half of the Democrat votes. Also, someone mentioned that there were only 200 protesters for Hillary. I’m sure many more wanted to be there but couldn’t afford the expense; undoubtedly they had to work, and if they had extra money it probably was spent for medication for a family member since so many of them support her because they can’t afford health insurance. I don’t have that problem because I’m a health care professional and have health care insurance, but I see many on a daily basis who don’t and really suffer without needed medications. Her efforts to get universal health care in the past were defeated, and I am beginning to think this may be one of reasons that the DNC decided from the beginning that no way was she going to be the candidate( it would be devastating for them to lose the lobbyists from the drug companies!) Some of you Obama supporters go ahead and reply in your usual manner and tell me we Clinton supporters are stupid and un-educated. I love it when you talk dirty! It gives me more reason not to vote in the General.

mary Indy
yea that is a criteria of the nomination process a majority of the popular vote but those fools pushing the unconstitutional affirmative action by laws in the rules commitee thinks that they have the best of that butt they dont!

Debra,
You are right. I have voted Democrat since I turned 18, 30 years. My country comes before the Democratic Party, which is why I will either not vote or vote McCain. I can’t vote with a clear conscience for Obama, something is just not right there.

Please all Hillary supporters…sitting it out, or a no vote just ups Obama’s chances….YOU MUST VOTE McCAIN….KEEP OUR COUNTRY SAFE AND BIGOT FREE…NO ANTI AMERICANS IN WH.

Yes Debar we Blacks (and I call myself a Black because African American implies I am American) voted for Barack. Just as you and your lilly white friends have been voting down and imprisoning the Black man for years. This is a shameful country and we will do whatever we need to do. You forced Obama out of Rev. Wright’s church because you couldn’t stand that the Rev. speaking was the truth to your white faces. Our time has come Obama in 2008.

Hey cracker, it’s spelled “grammar”.

J
absoultely right there is “no there, there” with Obama… there is somethign lurking in the distance or all around us or something about the man!

Slavery was the most degrading aspect of humanity in mordern history. it is part of America that is ever buried deep.
No matter how much we cover it, it is there and the wickedness done, the blood drawn has turn the tides.
Clinton should learn about the time bomb before dragging this too far.

Hillary supporters stop crying and support Obama as your leader promised@
Stop the nonsense!!

I feel bad for the Clinton supporters because your candidate is feeding you a load of crap. The process has been fair!! People are looking for a conspriracy where there is none. The people who did not want Clinton were the voters- pure and simple. FL & MI were an issue before one vote was cast for Clinton or Obama so how could it be a conspriracy not to nominate her. Clinton was outsmarted by Obama. She ran a bad campaign. Now she is trying to get everyone riled up over FL & MI. Seating these delegations have nothing to do with either candidate. It is about the voters in the states. The states proposed their own solution which the DNC voted on and passed. It is not right to accuse Obama of stealing the nomination when he won it fair and square.

Hillary supporters,
John McCain respects Hillary and her years of service to the nation.
We welcome your support in November if the media helps steal the nomination from Hillary!
Maybe we will see McCain vs Hillary in 2012 if McCain wins the general election.

Ok, there are a lot of Republicans posing as Democrats here. They are also some very dense people. Listing up: The democratic nomination is over. Senator Obama won. After Tuesday, he will be at most, 24 delegates away. He already clinched the pledged delegate majority. He will receive more than 24
Superdelegate by Tuesday. It is over. And, we will kick McCaine’s a$$ in November. Go Democrats!!!!!

Monk
I am not a republican and Obama cant beat Mccain … you are wrong

understand those who talk all this hate are not who they say they are! It’s to obvoius that there are republicans planted among these blogs to fuel the fire. It’s not what I wanted- but the reality is-we all knew our votes wouldn’t count months ago. ANd I will garuntee you many of these people are not even from Michigan or Florida! Let’s reconize these nasty people who post this garbage about voting for the other party as who they are- REPUBLICANS.
No true democrate would ever vote for a republican. At least a real democrate!
So all of you who talking this nonsense we know who you really are- and don’t worry- you’ll be out of the White house in the street soon along with your sorry republican party!
And if your are a Democrate- and your talking about voting for another party- please SPRINT to your local post office and change ASAP!We have no room for the weak and mis-informed. Your the same crowd that has plagued our party throught the years and it’s time that you go!
Because we are only looking for strong Democrates who understand our important mission- who will take the time to do their homework and be informed, and not be so stupid as to fall for the most obvious politcial spins. So please be a republican- I’m sure they will welcome you since we all know how much they care about the middle class. And one day they may even learn to be champions for women and minority rights. Maybe even one day, they will forget about giving tax breaks to their rich company friends, and they may even throw you a bone- and let earn equal wages in the workforce.
Wake up! or get out!

jj
i wouldnt be a bad idea for Mccain to pick Hillary.. since Obama seems bent on a republican vp all that talk about webb etc is bogus… thats not change

stacey
she ignored them maybe but Obama took unfair advantage in them

frank
dummy
Im a democrat and you will not influence squat… the rule of law has been subverted today and bad karma will befall Obama!

Whatever one may think of the two candidates individually, the fact is that Clinton ran an incompetent campaign based on thematic choices that were out of touch with the electorate (“experience” and “toughness” when 80% think we’re going in the wrong direction, largely out of war fatigue), an overconfident perception of the primary schedule (no post-Super Tuesday plan) and a pre-internet management and fundraising approach. She just didn’t anticipate a serious challenge, and when one unexpectedly materialized, she didn’t know how to respond. Despite her claim to have “found her voice” in New Hampshire, she really didn’t until many weeks later, when she re-invented herself as the angry populist. Ironically, the candidate who ran a campaign this year with the skill of Clinton ’92 was Obama. Pity she didn’t think it through. If campaigning competence wins, Hillary loses on the merits.
For those who are angry about this, my advice is, get a smarter, more competent champion next time.

THE CORRUPT, DISHONEST, HATEFUL, BULLYING MACHINE IS OUT. ON TO NOVEMBER! TO A CHOICE BETWEEN TWO CANDIDATES ALL AMERICANS CAN BE PROUD OF. I’LL BE VOTING FOR BARACK AND WHOEVER HIS FEMALE RUNNING MATE WILL BE. SO WILL ALL OF YOU IF YOU HAVE A BRAIN. BUT UM…IF YOU HAD A BRAIN, YOU WOULDN’T BE MACHINE-LEMMING SORE LOSERS…HMMM…

J
everyone I talk to says that… I think beecause to me hes so much like… almost liek they planned to run that way… this will be the first time since 1876 that the poipular will was subverted in a nominating process! coincidentally, one of those candidates then stole 4 delegate votes too!

Too many members of the Democratic Rules and Bye-Laws Committee should hang their heads in Shame today, during the meeting when they often acted more like a footie crowd supporting one candidate only and not what is BEST for THE PARTY!
It is easy to see where Hillary may get her short temper from Harold Ickes had steam coming fro his ears from the start, when he didn’t get his own way!
Will THE PARTY NOW UNITE or will some still attempt to split us????

Rex Range…”sore losers?” Way to heal a party there! Keep on name-calling, and let’s see how November turns out…

In case some of you cannot comprehend the written language, let me make this clear: Hillary does not lead Obama in any electorial category.I am reading idiocy about how she now leads in popular vote. That is compelte bullshit. Check the numbers.

munk
technically she does today because the mi and fl votes have been settled and tomorrow in PR she will… she leads.. you are wrong you are dumb as a post!

staniam-
being a democrate is more than just saying your one! It’s Ok to disagree- but to wish bad things for the party means only one thing!
Your a closet republican- and when we toss your sorry party out of office- you will be crying about something else. We need solders in this party- not victims- Goodbye and good luck I hope they serve you well! We True democrates have work to do!

I will never, ever vote for a racist like Barack Obama. That is like voting to put pastor Jeremiah Wright and Rev. Michael Pfleger in the Lincoln Bedroom.
NO THANK YOU.
EITHER HILLARY OR MCCAIN IN 08′!

MUNK…Check the FL polls: McCain up over Obama by 10 points, Clinton over McCain by 6. FLORIDA is the 4th most populous state with 27 electoral votes.
Check the numbers, you say…www.rasmussenreports.com. Maybe you should!

Stacey, I don’t know that Clinton was “outsmarted” by Obama. The media certainly went into a frenzy over the winning of the caucuses in the “red states.” Now, I have to wonder, since those states are unlikely to be won in the GE, and shouldn’t have carried that much weight with Democrats, what’s their angle? Are they just stupid? MSM…big business…
MI and FL were issues before a vote was cast…it’s just that most of us didn’t know about the problem. It took awhile to ferret out the whole picture too. Why didn’t the media discuss that?
I agree that “it is about the voters in the states,” however, the voters did not propose the date of the primary—the GOP legislature did that—nor the “solution.” Don’t you rather think that the voters would each like to have their vote count? Wouldn’t you?

Listen, I’m in no way Anti-Obama. He’s a solid candidate. But what the DNC has done and the way Obama’s supporters have treated HRC’s supporters, it’s not going to be easy for him.
Who’s to blame? Dunno, don’t care. All I know is this: While the blues are slinging the mud, MCCAIN WILL WIN! Mark my word.

mary Indy
you are right… the committee sat and debated whether to use the rules as they estimated the primaries before they took place or the ones after… thats a no brainer there.. and they talk about Clinton changing the rules!

marois
talent … maybe but his ambition is dark and therefor I will move to do everything I can to block his election!

As the “de facto” democratic nominee, Hillary was annointed. As the loser in the democratic primary, Hillary was dissapointed. She ran a dumb-as-dirt campaign against a junior senator who cleaned her clock. Obviously, Senator Obama, is the superior executive,as demonstrated by the way the campaigns were managed. We need his skills, and not Hillary’s deficiencies in Washington at the helm of our country. Now, because he is biracial, he is causing Replican, racists and bigots, blood to boil . . . Feel the heat, it is the precursor of generation X, tossing all the old and tired crap, into hell.

munk …. we are not racists we are not republicans … go take your meds and go to bed why dont u!

MUNK…Let Generation X toss all they want now. Come November, this ELDERLY STATE OF FLORIDA will vote for McCain and you can go back to playing Xbox.

It does not matter how fair the dems try to be to hillary who signed the agreement that these votes would NOT count and was the only candidate NOT to take their name off the ballot in Michigan ..she is the HILLARY party …NOT the Democratic party …so be warned dems shes gonna rip the dems apart before her supporters and her EVER CONCEDE .,..its called a sore loser…like when you were in grade school and the brat pouted when they didnt get their way….
I HAVE HAD IT WATCHING HER CAMPAIGN..NOTHING SATISFIES THEM
SHE LOST GET OVER IT

Michigan, Florida, & Ohio will go John McCain. That = 44th President of the United States of America.
You can blame the DNC for the loss in November.

staniam…point taken. There are plenty of MALE sore losers too…JUST AS PATHETIC. Feel better now?

Obama should claim to win until he nominated on the floor and the super D’s have all summer to watch and learn how the GOP will tear the Obamabots down to nothing because youre whole machine is on summer vacation from school enough time to plant the seeds into working people minds he wont win, next big problem is the issue you cant use big crowds and dont get down to specifics. sippin kool-aid is a really bad idea when youre wandering in the desert

quintell
this is what the original by laws stated that the SDs were to wait till the convention … the obamaphiles can twist it any way they want!

er…Frank, you trueblue “democrate”…that’s democrat.
What’s a democrate? Something you carry samples in?
I have to say, it seems unlikely that you are actually a democrat. Pot calling the kettle black? Hey, does that make you a racist?
nothing like good, clear thinking…

Democrat Observer…
I can’t agree with you more. We can’t afford to split our base. But somehow, that’s exactly what we’ve done.
We’ve taken a party which has prided itself on diversity and we’ve brought it to the brink of fragmentation.
I’m a Clinton supporter, but not because I’m racist, old or poorly educated. I’m a 31 year-old gay college graduate who is so proud of his country that a woman and black man are running for POTS.
But with comments like those from munk and to see the DNC disenfranchise Floridian votes, it’s not difficult to read the writing on the wall. As much as it disappoints me, Obama has no chance come November.

wilder
I am a democrat and you will listen to the clinton people !

The more I read must of the comments posted here, the more I realize how dumb the American public is. You get all worked up and swear you will vote for another 4 years of Bush policies. Be careful what you wish for…

eve
either Obama picks Hillary a Vp or he will not win… we will make sure of it!

ed…fact is fact. rules are not. we can talk about rules until we’re blue in the face, but it doesn’t change current polls.
Obama cannot carry Florida as of tonight. Hopefully, that might change. I doubt it after today.
Without OH, MI or FL, Obama cannot win in November.

Michael
I guess rules are rules and polls are polls eh!

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Jeff from FL
good point! no one “resigns” from a church” the black guy didnt seem to get the lingo right!

west texas …
where do I sign up…thats more convincing than the obamafilth I hear all the time!

YOU HRC supporters are unbelievable… ok the POLLS are more important than the voting process now? SO you want to change the method of electing someone because the polls say something.. DIdnt your QUEEN SAY EVERY VOTE MUST COUNT….so now which is it EVERY POLL MUST COUNT because she cant win by the votes? and threaten all u want DONT VOTE WHO CARES.. vote for Mccain because now you are using BLACKMAIL another illegal tatic.. IF she doesnt win im voting for MCcain…. The only thing I have learned from this election is that HRC supporters are non educated cult followers who will bust up the constitution even more to get their way.

So if Obama is going to be in the “Loser” club…where does that put Hillary?
She couldn’t even beat him…
The party will be fine as long as all the Clinton supporters get this temper tantrum out in the next couple weeks.
Perhaps think about the wellbeing of the country rather than a selfish political machine?
The die-hard supporters remind me a lot of how George Bush and his cronies operate…loyalty over common sense.

The MYTH of Obama’s “intelligence”:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/05/obama-mythical.html

Staniam, you have already signed up, as have many others on here.
Your posts show your passion for once and for all proving the DNC’s ineptness and bias has made them losers.
Women and we that support them will yet rule the day!

Chris,
After Obama loses in November, the Hillary people will come out and say “I TOLD YOU SO”. That is where it will put Hillary, right in the front line for the 2012 election this time without Obama.

Stanium,
Oops… I wrote that most of us didn’t recognize President Clinton’s potential at the 1998 Democratic Convention… meant to write 1988 Democratic Convention, when he spoke.

Ann,
Great and in 2012 when our country is still stuck in Iraq and failing even worse than right now. You can congratulate yourself on being right.
For what its worth, thanks in advance.

Chris,
Don’t blame us. Blame the DNC & media for creating this sham call Barack Obama.

Obama will be our next president, but he will never be a great president like George W Bush.

Better putting conservatives on the Supreme Court than racist judges.

J,
Highly doubt it…even purely on public opinion numbers, but clearly your argument of me being “naive” trumps any of those statistics things I keep hearing about.

Let me get this straight: Clinton supporters are unhappy about an outcome that delivers a net gain to Hillary from two contests that Hillary herself said would not count for anything?
FL and MI should not have been given any delegates. Rules are rules, and these states broke the rules. Every candidate understood that these states broke the rules, which is why none of the Democrats campaigned in these states. Now, out of fear, we have to make a concession to these states? Please. Next time, follow the rules and get your delegates counted. How hard is that?
The outrage expressed showed by HRC supporters merely proves that their loyalty is not to the Democratic party but to a single person. A person, by the way, who has lost the most states, most votes and MOST DELEGATES.

WB…she didn’t have Affirmative Action behind her and all the liberal MSM. Plus Soros and the 4 other billionaire liberals who bundled their $$ into his campaign. I don’t think anybodys endorsement helped him tho…not Oprah or Teddy’s.

WB: “Finally, if Obama is such a flawed candidate why did he beat yours? Doesn’t that make HRC a more flawed candidate by definition?”
Simple: It’s a little phenomenon called block voting. With a demographic group (African-American), which in some states made up close to 20% of the electorate, voting for Obama by 90-95%, HRC was drastically disadvantaged.
First, is this criticizing blacks? NO WAY…we all tend to vote for those with whom we identify most closely. I appreciate that.
But, Obama has trouble reaching “swing demographics,” the so-called Reagan Democrats. 12% of the pop won’t carry him in the General.
Obama needs to make sure those Reagan dems won’t be McCain dems. At the moment, he’s losing this battle. Clinton’s not!

The Clinton supporers who are vowing to vote against Obama are not real democrats. The women who voted for Clinton but refuse to vote for Obama in November, what the hell is the matter with you? You will vote against a person who has virtually the same policies as your candidate, and you will vote for a guy that will take away your right to choose as soon as the next supreme court judge retires.

OK, last post…I keep telling myself that.
Ed, these rules you’re in such an uproar about are most certainly not the ones that have produced every nominee up till now. Nice, true-bluey kind of thought… but mythical. Way mythical. What we now have is the most amazing mishmosh.
Haven’t you wondered how Obama kept getting so many candidates out of so few wins within the states? Have you even looked at the maps to see who voted where? Check it out. Are you in for a surprise. That black vote we’re not supposed to mention was very heavily weighted by the party in terms of how many candidates were awarded to the traditionallly black precincts in which they voted. Guess how much that vote was worth compared to yours. One person one vote? Not hardly, snookums.

J,
Again the DNC and the media does not vote. Even if what you were saying was remotely true its still the citizens who did it.
I think Hilary was lucky they didn’t try to push her out.
God knows we need some good mending after what she has done.

Ann,
Haha you were actually reading my mind.
I figured the final dirty trick from Clinton would be to try to screw the Democratic party so she would get another shot at things.

Carlasue,
You do realize that Obama was paying off student loans when the Clinton family was making millions of dollars. (Not to mention she served on Walmart’s Board)
THEN tries to paint herself as a blue collar candidate in rural America?
Huh what?

caucus state democrats are to blame their 7 hour vote-a-thon and nobody in there bothered to think should we go with the safe pick and go with flare. the real reason super d’s are going to obama is for pork and jockeying for positions for their own selfish ambitious dreams.

chris, i am a staunch dem as you probably are as well. i believe in hillary’s early years she was establishing herself just as obama is trying to do the same. after all, we do make mistakes as we are all only human. but compare the two. i think hillary has learned from hers. but have we seen any evidence that obama has learned from his. i said early on that if hillary did not get the nom i would vote for obama because he is a dem. but now i see all these radical creeps crawling out from under their rocks, and it scares me more than any wal mart board could throw my way.

No way I can ever pull the lever for Obama with all his radical clowns & pastors coming out of the woodwork.

Hillary can say she is supports Obama all she wants, but we all know that she has to say that. We all know in our hearts she doesn’t.

Chris,
That is funny. A position in his Cabinet, lol. Like Bill Clinton hinted, if Obama does not offer her the V.P., it ill be all out war, and we are not talking about democrat versus republicans either.

Chris,
My problem is with Obama is, is how do we know if his policies are similar? He’s flip flopped so much and he’s wormed his way out of these pastor things etc. I don’t trust anything he says. He has shown me that he will say anything to get elected. Rev. Wright was right on one thing, Obama will say what he has to say as a politician.

Caucus represent about 1% of voting Dems. I heard that last week on radio. I hope Hillary stays away from any “dream ticket”, not that I think Obama camp will offer it. But her suporters (large percentage) can’t pull the lever for him at all. They’d blame her too. Let him lose on his own.

Chris,
I read that already. It clearly states her people don’t know what Hillary will do. We both know she will never take a cabinet position under Obama. Money is not an object for her. One book after the election will clear all debt + $10 million more in the bank.
It all depends on what she wants politically. She can control her own destiny imo.

“WB, with all due respect, exit polls really don’t carry a hell of a lot of weight”
Yeah but when you have 40+ contests you can see a pretty clear trend. When the exit polls in every contest has more women voting than men you can begin to get a pretty clear picture.

Alright Ann,
Well watch the news in the next week, guess we will see.
I think if I had an option of recouping 15 million dollars and advancing my career in some way I’d take it.
But you are right, who knows…she does do some interesting things.

We need to move forward NOW. All due respect to the Hillary supporters. You guys are awesome and you have fought a brilliant battle for her nomination. I have much respect for your choice. I too was once a Clinton supporter and I voted for Bill 2 times.
I made a conscience decision to switch to Obama in the voting booth in the California primary. I didn’t make a hasty switch. I was in the booth and a light went on in my head and all I could hear was “CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN” and” YES WE CAN” and I am not easily influenced politically. For the first time in my 42 years as a registered democratic voter I felt that something good could come from his message.
It is not going to be an easy assignment but with all of us democrats working together we can help our economy and we can find a better solution to the ongoing war in Iraq. I am proud of the DNC for making a tough decision the opposition was very tough. I salute all of the committee members for doing the right thing.
In all honesty the people of Florida and Michigan were lead astray by the republican political figure heads in their states. They all knew there were alternative remedies to their voting schedule but they failed to get it done. Going forward the Florida elections committee needs to renovate their system so it accommodates each parties voting timeline.
Michigan made a good point that needs to be addressed no states should have the advantage to have early primaries I think the committee needs to revisit the current policy and include those issues in CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN. Vote OBAMA 2008

Michael your math is still off. Plus you don’t compensate for white men who won’t vote for a black person. Contest I’m referring to is the one we were talking about, California.
Finally, do you really believe that if Obama’s name was say, I don’t know, something like John Kennedy or John Kerry or Al Gore instead of Barack Obama that would have been a disadvantage for him? Being black does not give you a leg up when you look at the contest as a whole.

WB:
1. My math is correct.
2. “Being black does not give you a leg up when you look at the contest as a whole.”
Depends on the contest to which contest you’re referring. In the Dem primaries, being black DID give him a leg up. Why? African-Americans are one of the bedrock demographic groups of our party. I would venture to say that less than 10% of all blacks vote Republican (this is a guess). In the general election, black will only make up 12% or so. Important, yes…but not as significant.
Just to lay all cards on the table: Do I believe the vast majority of black voted for Obama b/c he’s black. Yes, I do.
Do I think there votes were misguided by doing that. NO WAY. We all vote for candidates for a variety of reasons, one being the degree to which we identify with him or her. I fully appreciate that.
BUT: this does not change the fact that Obama has a real issue with blue-collar whites. HE HAS TO GET THEM ON BOARD!

West Texas,
Are the “ephemeral nonsense” you are talking about those pointless numbers? Like delegates or statistics and stuff?
Cause if so…then yep! We should only let women vote….oh and they have to be 65 or older….oh and only WV gets delegates.
Give me a break.

GaryK…you’re right…one half of the party needs the other and I don’t see that happening….Hello President McCain. Unless Obama can get his liberal billionaires to buy him the Presidency…but he out spent Hillary sometimes 4 to 1, proving Americans can’t be bought. Again, HELLO PRESIDENT McCAIN, AND I’M OK WITH THAT.
HILLARY ’12

The end of the DNC would be welcomed!
Tear it up, build a new one that is in touch with reality.
Start at the top with the demolition.
However, I would very much welcome a new party built around the Clintons and we 17 million plus voters that respect them, what they have done for this country, and the fact that they are fighters not wimps.
I will donate the max to help form such a party, and I will also donate the max to an independent run if HRC chooses to do so!

Can Hillary run as an Independent if she campaigned as a Dem and raised Dem dollars? Who would be a good running mate?

Excellent, Carla Sue.
I truly believe there are enough of us to actually bring such to reality.

WestTexas,
I’d agree to that.

chris, don’t know how it can or should be done either. but if hillary ran as an independent with Gen Clark as the VP…it would be a hands-down, slam dunk, no-brainer of a landslide win….i will do whatever it takes to accomplish this…someone let me know how to get the ball rollin…..

Carlasue,
Try running a campaign without any money.

laeving the party — do you honestly beleive that Obama would have gotten ZERO votes in Michigan? is this about the “will of the voters” or not? I could offer my kids liver for dinner and ask them if they wanted that or nothing and if half said liver, it would hardly qualify as a “victory” over the pizza i offered them later. one minute you claim it’s about the voters and then say “it’s obana’s fault he followed the rules.” you are an idiot. go ahead and vote mccain. serves you right.

I do not have a horse in this race. Both Sen. Obama and Sen. Clinton are excellent candidates. Both are to a certain extent “flawed vessels”, to employ Sen. Obama’s eloquent phrase.
Perhaps Sen. Clinton would be a superior candidate but we will never find out if this is the case, largely as a result of fundamental strategic errors her team made in pursuit of the nomination.
The Democratic Party has crossed this Rubicon and the die is cast. Sen. Obama will be the nominee, and we should do what we can to ensure that he is elected. Another four years of strict constructionist appointments to the Federal judiciary is not a pleasant thought.

JT
well he certainly didnt deserve 4 estra delegates from it… and the argument that nobody told him to take his name off the ballot… it was understood that they were goign to try to stiff hillary if she was ahead in delegates… it backfired… now the popular vote rules!

Gary K…so are you saying Hillary is to blame when Obama loses by his own doing? Confused. She did not marry his angry wife, she did not attend a hateful racist church, she does not have radical ties….I know this isn’t all the “policy” stuff you guys want to talk about…because their issues are so similar….it’s about American values and why millions of American’s cannot vote Obama. I would support a Condi or a Colin…(unless they have some hateful, radical sh– in their closets).
Don’t blame Hillary when Obama loses, therefore she can run in 2012.

loki50
he hasnt crossed it yet… the goal posts have been moved to 2100 that means he will be a few short even if 50 Sds come out after tuesday for him.. and not that many will… and they will change their minds in 3 months mark my words!

“don’t know how it can or should be done either. but if hillary ran as an independent with Gen Clark as the VP…it would be a hands-down, slam dunk, no-brainer of a landslide win….”
Do you really believe that? We are a 50-50 nation; what conservative demographic would even consider that ticket? No, an independent run is a landslide victory for McCain and the end of any chance of Hillary EVER being president.
Take off the political hat for a moment and think about it.

More BS, Chris!
There is no such rule, and no such “contract”.
IF she leaves the race, she can do as she pleases, just as we can.
She could raise any funds she wanted to, and use them.
Try looking that up also, while you are looking up “ephemeral”!

Staniam,
Only knock her because she claims close work on everything positive when she was in the White House but nothing negative.
Can’t have it both ways.

Obama disenfranchised FL and MI voters with 1/2 votes. The cut-and-dice-the-vote Obama gamed the system and prevailed with the DNC.
Sen. Clinton should appeal the fundamental unfairness to the credentials committee to get every vote counted in full, undo the MI hijacking, and save the Democratic Party from defeat in November.

I meant DNC and liberal media (all but FOX) decided almost from the start, they were behind Oabma. The treatment she has taken throughout this has been horrible. Two slip ups to his how many?

“so are you saying Hillary is to blame when Obama loses by his own doing?”
No, I’m saying that the bitterness in this primary season WILL linger far into the future. By invoking a scorched Earth policy and dragging this out until Denver knowing that she has almost no chance to win the nomination (which she virtually admitted with the RFK comment), Obama supporters will view her and Ickes as a key reason for the division in the party, and thus, the Democratic loss in November. If Obama looses because Democrats defect to McCain in the GE, don’t expect to see them helping Clinton in 2012. I’m just laying it out as bluntly as I can. Turnabout is fair play.
“Don’t blame Hillary when Obama loses, therefore she can run in 2012.”
She can run; but she will not be the party’s nominee. The DNC, African American community, and POed Obama supporters will make sure of that.

staniam,westtexas,debra,
i just left denver today and got home late tonite. you should have heard the word from there. i kid you not, this is the truth, i stayed at the marriot city center convention center, and all they could talk about was hillary coming to denver in august. i walked the 16th st mall for three days talking to people, all types, races, creeds, and they all said they couldn’t wait to see hillary. i will say the majority said that. there are some who look forward to obama. but honestly, and whole heartedly, the vast majority can’t wait till hillary arrives in denver. believe me, i left there today at 8:00 pm, and i am tired tonite, but telling you all what i saw, and heard.

Debra, you are right regarding this election.
Centrists are cofortable with McCain, as am I.
However, I believe a new party completely devoid of either extremist wing could attract both Dem and Rep centrists.
And I am not certain that even this year it would be improbable that HRC could attract many of them based on health-care, and hearth and home issues.

West Texas yea say something like the Democratic Leadership Party … but Harold Ford is in the tank for Obama so I dont think they would let us take that name!

Chris,
Obama & McCain both signed on to take public financing for the general campaign ($84 million).
Obama is likely going to back out of it knowing how much he can get through the internet, and McCain will use it to attack him in ads.
McCain will have plenty of money because the RNC is loaded compared with the DNC.

Way to go RBC, finally we can move forward together and concentrate on defeating McCain in November, we are on are way, Yes We Can.
Wonderful job by Chuck Todd!

Carlasue…so this is going to the convention? Any real offical word. Super dels can change their minds right up until August. Didn’t Ted Kennedy go to the convention with a 750 point difference…Hillary is so close, it’s ridiculous and she has the popular vote.

libre
well we dont have to support mccain yet if we sufficiently embarrass them in Denver and by the way where is the full committee going to meet I think thats in July somewhere?

hi gary k.
i do believe that if hillary ran with gen. clark it would be over in a heart beat.
Hi carlasue,
I see. I have to admire your spirit. I just don’t see how it will work mathematically. Who is she going to siphon votes from? Obama? McCain? I’d be interested in an argument that makes an independent run a viable/winnable option.

Staniam,
My family has always supported the Democratic party.
However, in ’52′ my Father voted for Ike because he had served under him, respected him, and trusted him.
When teasingly asked by others was he then a Democrat or a Republican, he replied that he had become a “Considerable”.
Saying that there would be no more straight Dem tickets. He would consider all aspects and all candidates. He remained in the Democratic party.
I think he would be proud of me for now leaving! Principles matter more than words.
I would like to join a party of “considerables”. Certainly couldn’t hurt.

hi debra, not sure whether or not this is going to the floor. but when i was there over the last three days, hillary was all they could talk about.
i hope she takes it to the floor. we need a fighter and she is it! that is what the majority of the folks in denver had to say over the last three days.
if hillary takes it to the floor like she should, as she has the pop vote, i will be there….screaming my butt off for her all the way. go hillary!!!

carlasue
if saturday was any indication.. those were just a few women tha rattled the charlottan Alexis Herman and Donna Brazile!

staniam Hillary as VP for barack? no way, she should run Independent and wait to 2012.

If it goes to the convention, Hillary will be the V.P.
You are right staniam, because when a Clinton delgate nominates her, she will get the votes. Nothing Obama can do about it.

Libre
yea well I mean if Obama intends on getting in on rules made up for him… but I see your point that it would be easier to run as an independant and then run in 2012 I just dont want it hijacked like Ickes said saturday!

It is time for UNITY.
Though I used to support Hillary in the past but I am glad to say I don’t in this primary. Hillary herself said No matter what happens she respects the outcome.
Whatever she decides I wish her good luck and goodbye.

libre
given the chances of his succeeeding which are nil I was thinkign about not voting for that even if shes on it … and I think Ickes and she and other Clinton people figured this oout when Obama took over the caucuses and when MI and FL were taken off the DNC gave her a right to protest and walked right into givign her a reason to keep goign till the convention… very bright bunch they are… and where did they get ther DNC secretary that calls the rolls at the convention she was like a school girl talking abotu obama but was older than dirt!

I’m with Jenny on this one. The unwillingness of the Clinton camp to compromise today was utterly despicable and underscores the Clinton’s betrayal of the Democratic party. “I want it all” as her supporters stated on one hand, coupled with Ickes lawyerly “fair reflection” B S makes me want to puke. Go ahead and shriek you worthless pieces of sh-t. You are nothing but a bunch of sore loosers and you are not Dems. Go vote for McCain – vote for another 100 years in Iraq, another pre-emptive war with Iran, the overturning of Roe v. Wade, etc. and watch you waste your vote when the Dems destroy McCain in Nov you fuggin whiners. I’ll throw some confetti for ya when Senator Obama wins. ;)

Let’s be honest everyone. Obama is only at this point because he is black. I am not racist or anything, just stating my opinions. If Obama was white, would he be where he is now with only less than 1 term in Congress, little experience, just on talks of hope and change?
We all honestly don’t believe so. He would probably not even make it out of Iowa.
I cannot vote for Obama because of his lack of experience, his policies, + his radical friends and his radical beliefs.
opinions?

I think HRC could win as an independent by drawing Dem, Indy, and dis-enchanted Rep. bread and butter oriented, women.
That faction plus we millions of HRC supporting DEm and Indy males could prove to be a winner.
I think with Clark she also draws many Rep. males.
I think she would draw votes from McCain in large numbers, while absolutely demolishing Obama.
Even if McCain still won, Obama goes down in flames and she builds a solid base for 2012.
The DNC would lie in ruins.

HAS DNC COME TO THIS?!
This was NOT democratic, it WAS dictatorial!!! I watched the whole debate, just as I have followed the whole warped campaign. I listened to Sen Bill Nelson and the passionate words of Sen Joiner and was encouraged, believing that the so called Rules Committee would get it right. I listened to Harold Ickes at the end of the debate, at a total loss for words, because of the blatant injustice. By this time I was feeling broken hearted by this travesty, because the decisions have totally negated the rights of the voters and is unjust. You may think it’s unimportant, but it has set an example and it’s a matter of principle! DNC such a shame on you! I hope Hillary challenges this and takes it to the Credentials Committee, because this has been a total stitch up throughout!

yes this mess was caused by the DNC

“A three ticket election = a cake walk for McCain. Hillary will be labeled a disloyal democrat. It will never happen.”
I know, that’s what I was saying. There is no way Clinton can win a three way race. Her only chance in the Democratic nomination, or a strong Bob Barr showing as a Libertarian candidate.

Wow – this primary has become centered aroudn the cult of the Clinton personality. “Be damned party – give it to McCain if our girl Hillary isn’t handed the nomination” even though she lost decisively in spite of every advantage including the “Clinton brand”, a 120 super delegate lead to start with, “inevitable nominee” status, etc. If you want to blame someone, blame Mark Penn, Bill Clinton, Ickes, etc. for running a feeble campaign that verges on malpractice. Bottom line, she lost. If you feel so inclined, go vote for McCain and join the GOP. The Clintons already have based on their actions.

I think Hillay’s presidency was never meant to happen.
I had huge respect to her when she was First lady but she was the ONE who deceived voters with manners and word what she showed and said, not me !
I am just tired of blaming politics.
She saids that she’s fighting through because of her supporters ? that’s very weak. She’s only fighting for herself now. I am not blind.

libre says I won’t for Barack even with hillary as vp. – All the more reason why HRC should not be accepted as VP.

Gary K Most Democrats casted their vote in Michigan, they could have seated the 40% UNCOMMITED VoTES IN THE CONVENTION AND LET THE M VOTE EITHER FOR oBAMA OR NOT.

Gary K The polls do not ask people who do you prefer, they ask a series of questions designed to manipulate the poll as they pleased, If you believe thos polls then Sen Clinton would’t have 17 million plus votes, and Obama would have clinced the election 6 weeks ago.

The way they cheated Florida and Michigan today is anti-democratic. Those states will vote Republican in November. I won’t vote for McCain, but I will never vote for Obama or any politician like him.

jolanda Because she care enough to try and save this country for the terrible damage that McCain and/or Obama will do

Gary K. I heard Ickles saying that more likely all uncommited votes more likely were for Obama, the only thinig is that maybe some were for Edwards, so I think it was reasonable to let the delegates decide that on the assembly. instead of giving “free” delegates to obama. But everything was engineered form the begining by the DNC to give the nomination to barack. They think they are going to appear in History books as civil rights advocators, instead they are going to appear as engineering a defeat that was impossible to achieve against the after Bush republicans.

Yes gary K all media has had a bias favoring Obama all along, you will see that shifting to McCain after the Democrat primaries end. The Republicans helped Pelosi against Sen Clinton, becuse they know they can defeat obama, but no Sen Clinton.

What a day! Don’t you just love American politics?
I am a big supporter of Senator Obama, and I don’t dislike Hillary Clinton. I just can’t support her and I am not sure what to make of what was done by the Rules and By-Laws Committee of the DNC.
I think the compromise was well-crafted and probably not easy to achieve given the number of Clinton supports on the RBC, but I wonder if perhaps the RBC has opened a dangerous can of worms. I wonder if what they did was constitutional and if perhaps they have opened the door to a floor fight and perhaps even a civil rights law suit on behalf of the Michigan delegation. I am not an attorney or a constitutional expert, but I feel troubled by the way the DNC / RBC moved “uncommitted’ delegates into the Obama column. I wonder if that violates the principle of “One person, one vote.”
I hope I am wrong about this, and I suspect that right now there are a bunch of very qualified constitutional lawyers examining this decision from every possible point of view. I hope the party will move past this, but I suspect the fight is not yet over. I would not be surprised to see this issue brought to the Credentials Committee as Mr. Ickes comments suggest.
Lowell Copeland
New York, NY

I’m speechless!
I thought that yesterday’s decision would restore party unity!
I guess I was wrong!
I for one am becoming disaffected with politics again… a little more each day!
And yet I will go vote in November and I will cast my vote not based on hurt feelings or to teach the DNC a lesson but TO GET OUR PROBLEMS SOLVED IN THIS COUNTRY!
DEMS, UNITE, NOW!!!!!!

This decision is fair to any open minded person. Clinton supporters are so sentimental about this issue that they ‘ve lost any sense of fairness.
How could anybody in their right mind ask the committee to reinstate the entire delegates and pretend as if no rules were broken?
If they care so much about disenfranchisement of voters now, it ‘s fair to ask why the states didn’t care about the same disenfranchisement when they decided to break the rules, knowing very well the price they had to pay.

“I heard Ickles saying that more likely all uncommited votes more likely were for Obama, the only thinig is that maybe some were for Edwards, so I think it was reasonable to let the delegates decide that on the assembly.”
But therein lies the problem. Pledged delegates are allotted by popular vote, not on the whims of the delegates themselves—only superdelegates can do that. So the only way to allocate the pledged delegates in a primary is by popular vote. But the elections were unfortunately a farce, in that Obama wasn’t on the ticket. This were the crux of the mess.
The only recourse would have been to hold a revote, or change ALL the pledged delegates (Clinton’s too) into superdelegates. But that would have also meant that the whole electoral process would have been discarded. But giving Clinton the pledge delegates and while letting the Michigan uncommitted (Obama voters mostly) go un-pledged would have also been inequitable, since they were told that their votes wouldn’t count. Really, the whole thing was a mess from the start.
Ultimately, a revote would have been the only way to quell most inequalities. But while the DNC ruling might have been imperfect, I think is got at the heart of how the electorate of Michigan and Florida actually felt. I don’t think even Ickes can refute that.

Obama’s own “Mission Accomplished 2″ on Tuesday. Declaring it to be over – again.
He continues the plan of bullying Clinton out before the convention, which is consistent with his entire campaign of negativity and trashing Clinton’s approval numbers to get a win. Divisive, Obama breaks the mole on devisive. Too bad Obama friends from the neighborhood isn’t as apt of lying as he, making stupid sermons, saying exactly the same spew Obama’s been pushing from the pulpit.
Obama got greedy when he took 4 delegates from Michagan that she won fair and square. Now Clinton has to stand up to this bully, and if anyone can – she can.

It amazes me the number of Clinton supporters that acually blame Obama like he was sitting at that table and calling the shots. I know their is no reasoning with these irate people. The majority of the DNC yesterday that voted on these issues was Clinton supporters. They did the best they could and didnt give Obama what he wanted either. If they had givin the Clinton camp everything they wanted Clinton would still loose the nomination next week. Blame the leaders in your states. Not Obama. Ive never seen or heard such hate of a canidate that has done nothing but run a better campaine. There has to be something else to all this blame and hate against Obama. I do not know if its a race thing or because they wanted a woman in office so bad that all else doesnt matter. Some are yelling and kicking about the 4 delegates given to Obama. Its just 4 delegates! It would not have put Clinton in any better position to win if they had given her those four and four more. They would be just screaming over something else. What a display of rudeness at the meeting from the Clinton supporters. Just like on these blogs some of them are borderline crazy and theres no reasoning with them. Its like she has a brainwashed cult following. Oh well its on to the GE. I would have supported the Dem party in Nov. even if Hillary had won the nomination because of the bigger picture. Hillary and Obama see eye to eye on a lot of issues however seening her in these past couple of months and way she as acted it would have been hard to vote for her. Now some of these crazed Hillary supporters are saying they will vote for McCain out of spite. I hope you are willing to lay in the bed you could possible be making. I doupt we will have to worry about that since a lot of republicans are coming to the Dem ticket and will make up for any losses of irate voters jumping to McCain. I also love the people that say All HRC supporters are going to do this or that. In reality the mass of Clinton supporters are Dem first and a supporter second and will join Obama’s fight for the White House.

I’ll never vote for such an arrogant and pompous person as Obama!

there is no way that the committee is going to deny the first African-American nominee the nomination. Sen. Obama has won by EVERY criteria – but, its the delegates that count.. NOT the popular vote. its over and mcclinton and her supporters need to get over it and support Sen. Obama

Obama could have been on the ballot in Michigan, they could’ve held another primary, he chose not to work with the Clinton campaign or the DNC on the issue.
So, as a political tactic, he removed himself from the ballot in Michigan and urged, in violation of rules and laws, to have those voters vote “Uncommitted”.
Well, since there were still a total of five candidates at that time of the Michigan primary, and, let’s see, 55% voted for Hillary Clinton and 4% for Kuchinich, that leaves the rest to be divided up between the remaining candidates. So, how is giving Obama half and taking some away from Clinton considered fair?
If there was no re-vote, then there should be 55% of those delegates for Clinton and 0 to the rest of the candidates.
However, once again, democracy (that joke of a thing) was violated. And, it was a planned, calculating choice directly from the likes of that American hating Obama.
Hillary – go to Denver girl! You go!!
Because we will not vote for anyone but you come November. In fact, I lie, I will vote for BARR (Libertarian candidate). But Obama will not get my vote.

When ALL votes are counted— INCLUDING all caucuses and primaries— Hillary has a 52,331 vote lead.
Again: Hillary has a 52,331 vote lead in the popular vote, INCLUDING ALL CAUCUSES and primaries.
Of course, the “Democratic” party is not all that democratic, so the candidate with the most votes doesn’t get the nomination, and the nominee that does get the nomination has to get it by cutting the votes of two major states in half.
Oh well.
From 3/5 of a vote to 1/2…
We’ve regressed after 100 years.

clinton is not electable simply because she has not won the primary, period.

Obama is telling us who the Democratic nominee is, and is making his own rules for the process.
This has been going on since North Carolina and continues today. Dean and the DNC have never said, “Hey, stop presuming you are our nominee. Maybe because the deal is made, and has been for some time they are allowing Obama free rein.
If the DNC had a any spine they would honor their own process, and let resolution happen at the convention.
Obama is calling the shots though and it is clear he will do what it takes to circumvent the process, just as he did when he ran for the Illinois senate.
The man who probably knows him best spoke an absolute truth. ” Obama is a politician. He is doing what is politically expedient. Rev. Wright.
Until the supers cast their votes at the convention, there is no nominee, and that is what the DNC and the national media ought to be saying.
Not to worry though, Barrack knows and is telling us so. However there are those who have a different idea!

Also and correct me if I am wrong as the media does spin things. I heard on one media outlet that while John McCain was being held prisoner, that is wife at the time was fighting for him, traveling overseas, doing everything she could to get his release. She was a fantastic partner and wife to McCain. However upon his return and release he dumped her because she was overweight and went for the better looking rich woman.Hell of a way to say thanks. Research this McCain jumpers. If this is true I certainly wouldnt support such a canidate.
The difference of the way Clinton is handling this and the way Obama would handle this if the situation was reversed. If Obama was in Clinton’s position and heard of all these supporters yelling and screaming about joining McCain , I bet he would give a speech on whats important and why all Dem.’s should unite to take back the white house and why the Dem party is a bigger piture than either him or Sen Clinton. He would be trying to calm the situation and bring his angry supporters back to whats important and thats not letting McCain win the GE and to support who ever wins the nomination.Thats the kind of leader he is. Clinton is showing her true colors and showing what is important to her is “her” not the bigger picture or whats best for the country and the Dem party. Maybe voters have seen that ant thats why she is loosing. I hope I am wrong and she does and says the right things after Tuesday. If not , she is only hurting the Clinton legacy and her chances of having any respect.

Mariann Pepitone:
Stop pretending to be a Democrat. You’re a right wing plant.

It amazes me the number of Clinton supporters that acually blame Obama like he was sitting at that table and calling the shots. I know their is no reasoning with these irate people. The majority of the DNC yesterday that voted on these issues was Clinton supporters. They did the best they could and didnt give Obama what he wanted either. If they had givin the Clinton camp everything they wanted Clinton would still loose the nomination next week. Blame the leaders in your states. Not Obama. Ive never seen or heard such hate of a canidate that has done nothing but run a better campaine. There has to be something else to all this blame and hate against Obama. I do not know if its a race thing or because they wanted a woman in office so bad that all else doesnt matter. Some are yelling and kicking about the 4 delegates given to Obama. Its just 4 delegates! It would not have put Clinton in any better position to win if they had given her those four and four more. They would be just screaming over something else. What a display of rudeness at the meeting from the Clinton supporters. Just like on these blogs some of them are borderline crazy and theres no reasoning with them. Its like she has a brainwashed cult following. Oh well its on to the GE. I would have supported the Dem party in Nov. even if Hillary had won the nomination because of the bigger picture. Hillary and Obama see eye to eye on a lot of issues however seening her in these past couple of months and way she as acted it would have been hard to vote for her. Now some of these crazed Hillary supporters are saying they will vote for McCain out of spite. I hope you are willing to lay in the bed you could possible be making. I doupt we will have to worry about that since a lot of republicans are coming to the Dem ticket and will make up for any losses of irate voters jumping to McCain. I also love the people that say All HRC supporters are going to do this or that. In reality the mass of Clinton supporters are Dem first and a supporter second and will join Obama’s fight for the White House.

Although “We” would love to have you help Mr. Obama win the white house, this is America and you can vote as you wish. So, to all of those who say that they will vote for Mr. McCain, by all means do so if you wish. However “We” do not think that will help or harm anyone. Therefore, “We” will have to accept that fact which “We” and I do. I leave it to you.

The Clinton campaign is happy. They got the votes in two states where Barack didn’t campaign to count.
Two states where many voters didn’t vote because they were told this vote didn’t count.
Yes – we understand what the Clinton campaign is about and it certainly isn’t concerned with what the voters really want – it’s all about her.

With all this discourse towards Obama coming from people within his own party, can his supporters really expect him to win in nov? Now add to this republican and independent voters. There is no chance he can win the swing states with these kind of odds.
Do you Obama supporters really think that many people will unite after a blood bath like this? And all this coming from someone that was supposed to unite the party.
This arrogance by Obama thinking he has the mandate of his party will be his downfall. His supporters nor the DNC haven’t a clue how much their constituants are against his nomination but, they will find out come nov.

All the supporters Clinton’s and Obama’s. It’s the time for UNITY.
We(FL&MI) broke the rules in the first place remember? Prizes and punishments are given in correct way yesterday so we can not really complain with the outcome.There are no real losers. We are all winners.
Let’s move on.

Sorry Joe, I am one EX-DEMOCRAT turned INDEPENDENT. I have decided I have had enough of the party mentality that makes you vote for a party and not the person.

This is America.
Forget this “nomination” mockery.
In November, I WANT YOU to vote for an AMERICAN.
AMERICA FOR THE AMERICAN!!!!!!!!!!!!

Any amount of anger held by the Mi and Fl Democratic primary voters will be NOTHING compared to the anger of the voters of the other primaries if HRC is handed this nomination. She cannot win by any legal or moral methods–but she HAS said she will do ANYTHING she has to to win the election because she feels she is the better candidate. Too bad for her, that most of the (elected by the voters) delegates don’t seem to agree.

I have read alot, but not all, of the comments here, and the one thing that seems not to have been brought up is the fact that the date of the primary in Fla. was set by a republican house and board of elections. That being true, then why should Hillary be punished for her win in that state with only half the delegates?
I don’t know about Michigan, and I plan to do research, but if Obama was stupid enough to pull his name off the ballot in ANY state, then it would seem to me that he should not be able to reap the rewards of that action (half-vote delegates).
Bottom line, the DNC set the idea of democracy back about 500 years yesterday with that despicable ruling of half-vote delegates. I suppose that in Nov. the electoral votes from Fla. and Mich. with only count as a half-vote?
To those of us that still believe that your vote counts, we have also been dealt another serious blow to democracy. Our forefathers are rolling in their graves with the thought of how their democracy is dead, only to be replaced by a system that involves cheating and divisive tactics instead of putting the will of the majority first.

compromise according to clinton is when you get all and your friend gets nothing.to me thats cheating,americans are tired of cheaters and desperados as leaders. sorry, madam clinton accept defeat and move on. you will be greater for it.

I think this panel is a failed panel. I mean the whole thing was planned even before the start of the seating . It wasnt that the useless leader in the party even really wanted this meeting to hold or that they wanted to hear the Clinton side of the story but they did it so that Obama will win Florida and Michigan in November. That was their fear but i think they have played to the roof they have not deceived anybody but themselves. We Real Democrats will vote McCain in November even today the party has proved how wicked it could be. It is sexist party, a wicked party, a party that discriminates against women, aGos forsaken party, a party of racial divide. This party is going to nowhere but it is going to fail and terribly in November. I AM FED UP WITH THE DNC. PLEASE HILLARY CONTEST AS IN INDEPENDENT OR WE WILL VOTE FOR MCCAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sen. Obama will never get my support. The Supers are destroying the DNC. McCain will get my full and undivided support this November. And, I’m looking forward to joining his campaign. At least he treats Sen. Clinton with the respect she’s earned.

Expect the complete meltdown of the democratic party if this moron does what he suggests and claims victory.
After what the RBC did by stealing Clinton delegates and handing them over to Obama, it’s over, baby.

Why is she still doing this? She knows that she cannot win. I have an unconfortable feeling that this woman is up to no good.
If anything happens to Obama, the party shoud bring back Edwards!

I would like to know what the DNC are going to do about the persons who did not vote because they were told that that the election would not count!
This decision is like a losing baseball team stopping the game in the 5th inning and declaring that to score a run you need only get to second base!
Ridiculous!!!

The Clintons are power addicted, they crave a third term more than they want the very air they breath. It is not expected she would give up now, especially not when Mexico and Canada
have not voted.

It appears that the DNC is setting a new precedent: You no longer have to be on a ballot to get votes. In Michigan, Barack Obama removed his name from the ballot, own choice, own reason, but hey…. That don’t matter because he is getting delegates and votes from the DN who think it is fair to give him some even though he did not represent himself. The morons who decided on this must be FIRED!!!!

Added to this, in recent analysis, with respect to the electoral vote…..Hillary is the only candidate that can beat McCain….she will carry Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Kentucky, Florida, and Michigan. Obama loses to McCain in the electoral votes on all counts. If Hillary is not the nominee, these states will go red in the GE, McCain will win by a landslide. The DNC definitely put the final nail in Obama’s coffin yesterday. As one analyst said, the Republcans are giving each other high fives today, because, now, it’s a sure win for the GOP in November as a result of what the DNC did with Florida and Michigan!

To give zero delegates and zero popular votes to Obama from MI would have been undemocratic. Exit polls showed 46% favored Clinton, 32% favored Obama & 12% favored Edwards. (see Wikipedia on this) If you break that down into delegates, it would have been HRC 59 delegates, Obama 41 & Edwards 15. So, in the end you could have imagined 59 for Clinton and 56 for Obama if Edwards gave him his share of delegates.
The committee also took into consideration that there were many who wrote in Obama’s name on their ballot but those ballots were not valid because you are not allowed to write-in a candidate in a primary election.
A difference of 4 delegates for Clinton is not worth taking it to the convention and risking 4 years of McCain.
By the way, Obama was not the only one who took his name off of the MI ballot; Biden, Edwards & Richardson all took their names off of the MI ballot. None of the candidates were able to take their names off of the FL ballot because in order to do so, they would have had to drop out of the race, i.e. end their campaign!

Sophia |- first off Hillary always interested in Florida and Michigan voters…right after the election she went to Florida and declared she would fight for their votes..she went to Florida to fund raise during the Primary..for a person not interested in their votes she sure made a big effort to indicate otherwise..Obama is the true ploariziing factor in the Dem party…does she not have the most democratic party follower .with the exception of the Black vote other then that she has the Asian , hispanic, White, blue collar workers, as Obama supporters call them “uneducated”, and you think Obama should get the nomination….

BO and his supporters will have no one but themselves to blame when he loses in November. With their misogynist, disrespectful and race baiting campaign they have managed to turn off the largest voting blocks in the States he would need to win to become President. He is not a unifier and now neither are we.

June 1992 – Bill Clinton is behind both Bush and Perot. Determining who is most electable at this point, is useless. The Clintons know this! BTW, Bill also had 3,000+ delegates when he won the nod in 1992. The primary race that year did NOT go until June, like the Clintons are claiming.

Whatever will be will be. I’m not geyting involved in all this crazy making. Some people can’t accept the inevitable.

By staying too long, It permanently puts a dense on her reputation. Clinton is eliminating her own chance to run for another president office next time.
Posted by: rogersb65 | Jun 1, 2008 11:47:44 AM
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Nice try roger….WE are not talking any next time here.
When Obama loses the GE he can think next time!!
We the majority are going to turn off the chatter, lay low till NOV and BAM we vote Hillary! Write in or McCain if we must.

Hillary is looking into leaving the Democratic party and creating the party of Independent Democrats according to unnamed sources close to her campaign. COULD YOU BELIEVE THIS?
Posted by: Matelot | Jun 1, 2008 12:07:54 PM
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SOUNDS GOOD TO ME!!!!!

In the beginning I had a lot of respect for H. Clinton, but now I’m so dissappointed in her, that I don’t want to hear even her name. what a disgrace!
So hungry for power!

When will the sexism from the Obama camp stop??????
John McCain has never made such sexist comments, or if his advisors had he probably would have fired them.
The Obama campaign is a disgrace.
Unity?? Why don’t you first work on not being chauvanist and racist, then we’ll talk about unity.

HRC signed the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee AGREEMENT [PLEDGE] in January 08. Apparently SIGNING [meaning giving her “word of honor”] the DNC RBC AGREEMENT meant NOTHING and she RENEGED? So the question one must the ask oneself is, “What would she do if she were our POTUS and signed a “WHITE HOUSE ORDER”, “CONGRESSIONAL BILL”, or an “AGREEMENT” with a “foreign country” and later determined to renege? Do you know what that would do to our country and her presidency? I do!

WHOA!!!! Michiel W. Well said.

jeremy stated above: When will the sexism from the Obama camp stop??????
John McCain has never made such sexist comments . .
Jeremy, did you NOT hear what McSame called his wife? He called her the “C” word. THAT IS DISPICABLE “SEXISM”. Don’t say McSame not a sexist – he is!

A McCain landslide would kill thousands of more soldiers in Iraq. I guess you don’t care about American lives Or you never knew anyone that was killed there. All for a fanatic support of a canidate.

Clinton supporters will never be satisfied with anything other than her stealing the nomination from Obama. They would rather vote for McCain than Obama, that’s so sad, they will bring down the entire country just for spite. I want the troops brought home, I want people to be able to keep their homes, I want gas prices to come down, I want better education for my grandchildren and affordable health care, I DON’T WANT ANOTHER REPUBLICAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!
Democrats need to win in November…period!

Obama didn’t win ANY votes in Michigan. He took his name off the ballot. The Rules Committee gave him MI votes he didn’t win because they know he can’t win the nomination if MI and FL are truly counted.

Re: “Hillary is one of the mosy corrupt scandal ridden politiians in history.”
Stop lying. She hasn’t been in any scandals and she has never broken the law. She is a twice elected Senator and the first viable female candidate for President in US history. When she won the New Hampshire primary, she was the first female presidential candidate ever to win a state primary.
I’m tired of this propaganda campaign against Hillary. The corporations don’t want a smart woman in office who will be an advocate for women here and around the world. They want an empty suit who can control the masses.
Obama cannot hold a candle to Hillary Clinton. He does not have 1/10 of the knowledge and experience that she has. Before she was even First Lady she was named one of the top 100 women lawyers in America.
If Obama gets the nomination, he will have to beg her to campaign for him in November.

Nothing matters except this: Obama ran the better campaign from the very beginning. He raised more money more consistently. He focused on what he needed to accomplish, i.e., win delegates, and he kept his eye on the goal post. Clinton, on the other hand, assumed she would be crowned by a fawning party. She was wrong, and that assumption cost her dearly. She didn’t use her money wisely, and she never raised as much as her opponent. And when the going got rough, she played ugly. If a johnny-come-lately black man from nowhere can run a top notch campaign while a member of a white wanna-be-dynasty with name recognition galore bungles hers – it is obvious to me that I want the black man for president. And that is the end of the story.

What is puzzling to me is why didn’t the Obama campaign just go ahead and concede and/or promote that all the delegates be seated with a full vote. He doesn’t need the candidates to win the nomination and could have prevented the possible appeal to the Rules Committee decision. The Committee’s decision doesn’t change Hillary’s popular vote and electability argument. Yes, he would need even more of the uncommitted super delegates to go his way but why would he have any concern or doubts about getting the minimal number needed. It seems to me his campaign could have taken a more positive step toward unity and postured him as the candidate that is above the fray.

Obama is the epitome of a spoiled brat. If literally ANY other candidate in the history of the Democratic Party were to behave like him, they would have been drummed out a long time ago. This is hilarious! The Dems just decided to intentionally disenfranchise over two million voters with a committee decision in order to push the more radical of their two candidates on to the nomination. I hope the Dem voters in Michigan and Florida realize what their party just did to them, and never again vote for another Dem candidate. Having people worth only half a vote reminds me of the Dems who pushed for blacks to be worth 3/5 of a person in Article 1, Section 3 of the Constitution. And furthermore, anyone who isn’t a hate-America radical would have quit Trinity “church” twenty years ago!

It’s time for UNITY.
We(Fl&Mi) are the one who broke the rules, remember? The outcome yesterday was fair. The case closed.

“Having people worth only half a vote reminds me of the Dems who pushed for blacks to be worth 3/5 of a person in Article 1, Section 3 of the Constitution”
Your math is flawed. First, you realize that it’s half a delegate, not a person, correct? Secondly, a delegate technically represents approximately 6000 people for every one delegate. In effect, then, a person by the nature of the system is 1/6000 of a delegate.
I’ll let you ponder that for a little while.

If the DNC and superdelegates continue with their tirade shoving Obama down the throat of every democrats, there’s a prize to pay. Moderate democrats, independent and Republican voters will rain McCain with their votes.
What will happen to the Democratic Party? They’ll lose their majority in Congress and Senate, those who endorsed Obama will be voted out of office by their constituents.
I’d be voting for McCain in general election if Obama is the nominee for my party, I want the BEST PERSON to LEAD this country. McCain is also a moderate republican. I’m not voting for a party to lead this country, I am voting for a PERSON. Obama will NEVER be President, you can take my word to the bank! He’s now limping to the finishing line and this is just primary election. He doesn’t have 2, 210 delegates required to seal the nomination.
To all democrats who endorsed Obama when their constituents VOTED FOR Hillary, you’d be paying dearly. When its time for your re-election, you’d be voted OUT of office. I already change my political affiliation, I removed myself as registered democrat, I joined other lifelong democrats and become independent voter.

I cannot believe you dems. and the HRC fans say she is not divisive? look at what she is doing to your “party” (clique) and then think of what she would do if elected…

Goldilocks — If you want to quote somebody please don’t use Donna Brazile who couldn’t even get Al Gore elected in his own state. She has flip flopped so much it’s not even funny. She is the ultimate political opportunist and why, I just can’t figure out, anybody listens to her or what the source of her “clout” is is beyond me.

politicopsych, you really are missing the point!
Delegates do not equal votes in the general election.
The popular vote in states which can be won do amount to electoral votes.
As to how you count the caucus states…well, you can’t and that’s just one thing that’s wrong with them!

I can’t believe everyone on here is getting so emotional about this and ignoring the reality that Dems have to deal with in November. Fact: Clinton won the majority of the big states that the Dems rely on in November. Fact: Clinton won the swing states that are already targeted as battleground states. Fact: Obama won more states. BUT – many of those states wil never go blue in November. It’s great to see all the enthusiasm and voter turnout in these states, but are we really competitive in Nebraska, Kansas, Montana, SOuth Dadota? Really? I think the answer if you look at history has to be no. Now, the argument that Obama can take moderate Republican votes and Independent votes I just can’t buy, because although he is an AMAZING speaker – I mean AMAZING – his voting record when revealed to the general public will be way too left of center for those moderate Republicans and Independents. So, we have to look at the major Dem states, like California, New York, Mass, New Jersey, the Upper Midwest states, W Virginia, Kentucky… They overwhelmingly voted for Hillary. The CLintons are well known in the SOuth, too – they can do some damage there in November. If we really want to unite the Dem party like all of you say we do (or some of you at least) shouldn’t we nominate the candidate that won the true blue states and is more moderate and center to the average American voter come November? I hate Pat Buchanan, but he said something that I thought was true. He said Obama had a higher ceiling, but Hillary had a higher floor come November. Meaning, basically, if we go with Obama, we might get 60-65% in the general, but there’s a chance he crashes and burns also. If we go with Clinton, we pretty much guarantee 52-57%, but probably no more. This guarantees us the White House, and with a Democratic led congress, we can definitely get to work undoing the Bush mess. So, as a party, what do we do? Risk it with Obama and possibly get a huge turnout or miss the boat completely, or go with a sure thing and know what we’re getting? Remeber, Obama is also less known as far as policy – he just hasn’t been around long enough. Now, everyone’s risk tolerance is different, but I for one after 8 miserable years opt for the sure thing. Lets forget the emotion, and go get a definite win.

McCain is a real american; as real as George W. Bush. And very likely to take us along the same path.
So, for all the screaming from both Obama and Clinton supporters, i remain convinced that we will come together when we have to in order keep the WH away from McSAME.
Also, if anyone starts a legit third party, great! we need reform in how we elect. right from same day voters registration, to several party politics.

Gee, how does a bama know anything? he doesn’t, he just takes bama’s or the media’s or his drinking buddies’ word for it…the bama thinks very simply, if you wannabe popular, you gotta be on the bandwagon.
So, undereducated, eh?
Why don’t you grow up and turn off your capslock, little one? Do you always yell? No, I imagine you’re fairly well practiced at whining to get stuff from mumsie and poppy! Childish twerp.

Mary
What is the definition of a true American?

Joceyln, You’ll be praising Obama straight back to the Senate come December, because he’s going to LOSE!

McCain is an incredibly weak candidate, if the Democrats loose the Presidency in 2008 we have only the Clinton’s to blame.

What’s so weird is that the punishment was Harold Ickes’ idea in the 1st place!

Mary
Are you speaking of the same Jefferson who thought so much of others that he owned slaves?
For those who enjoyed the last 8yrs, go ahead and vote for McCain,you will continue in your comfort. For those who wanted Hilliary to win so bad that they would now vote for McCain, then I would say to you,examine your reasons why very carefully. Is it because Barack Obama’s policies are so different from hers that McCain’s policies are closer to what you wanted? I think not. Is it because of the Rev. Wright sermon of God damn America? Well let’s examine that. he said God damn America for killing innocent people,for treating her citizens as less than human,and if she continues to act as if she is God. Do you think that America is beyond the judgement of God? Or do you believe that America has not done these horrific things? Or maybe it’s the chickens coming home to roost statement. Let’s examine that statement,which was said by the U.S. ambassador Peck. What they both were saying was that you reap what you sew. Never once did he say he hates America. What he is saying is that America needs to do better by all of the other peoples of the world. If we are going to be the GREATEST country in the world like we always claim, we must examine our flawed foreign and domestic policies.
It is our job as citizens to get to the truth of issues and not just conviently conform to what ever information our CORPORATE OWNED MEDIA feeds us. We must be smarter than that. Our country is at stake. The press has silenced us with this false claim of hate and unpatriotism. If we truly love this country, we will fight like hell to take back our country from these corporations and get it back on the right track. If we are so busy fighting one another over the most silly and dishonest snippets put out by the media, then we will remain in{cororate America’s} grasp. This fight is not about race or patriotism…IT’S ABOUT CLASS…THE RICH FIGHTING FOR THE RIGHT TO KEEP THE OTHER 97% OF AMERICANS POOR. We cannot claim to be the MORAL authority of the world until we recognize that yes we are our brothers keeper, and as long as we follow the media and help them get their ratings, we cannot be good to one another or respect one another,and learn from one another so that we may be able to take this country to the next level. For years we have been slipping backwards. We have been so caught up in the frenzy of hatred and greed over having THINGS instead of having each other.
Wake up! We need each other to make this country great!

Europeans currently prefer Obama 52% among voter-aged females compared to 42% for Clinton and 6% for McCain.
Betsy, you seem to be in the minority both here and overseas. Guess you could stay there?

Mary, same here…I’ve been on the computer too long already! I guess we’ll agree to disagree. I’ve listened to everything Clinton’s said and if you’ve done the same with Obama, I guess what makes us tick is VERY different. I’d like to think I’m a good judge of people, but we each have our own realities. My state of birth Ohio ratified the right for women to vote less than a year after I was born, so I’ve been doing this coosing thing a long time. My first vote was for FDR’s 3rd term. I was sure I was going to be long gone before I saw a woman as president, but now I believe I may see it. At 89 I still have a few sassy years left in me. God bless!

im in fl in 2002 my vote didnt count now in 2008 the votes dont count because the dnc says who wins how are they any beter then reps and bush -obamma ran add after add here in fl before the vote which was against the rules hillary didnt and still won

I hope and pray that the Clinton supporters who are threatening to leave the Democratic Party and vote for McCain do just that. Please by all means. You are not a true Democrat if you throw a hissy fit because your candidate didn’t win. Regardless of who got the nomination that person was getting my vote. WHY? Because it’s about THIS country..not either candidate. It is about getting this country back on it’s feet. Every day I work with people who are laid off and I’m quite busy right now. These are the people it is about. Not Hillary Clinton as she has her supporters believing or Barack Obama. It’s about this country and if you want more of the same and no abortion or women’s rights, then by all means vote McCain. We don’t need traders in this party. Do your thang but don’t get mad because we have a viable Democratic nominee. I would have been happy either way. I’m a Democrat..not a Democrat when it’s convenient for me.

Barack Obama’s slight lead is enough to make him the winner. In primary elections, there’s only one winner.
The votes that HRC attracted in the Primary will help BO win the General Election however, so it’s time for the DP to “Come Together”. That will be easier once HRC accepts the Primary results, supports BO and participates in his campaign, so it’s up to her at this point. But:
The remaining Primaries will have to play out. Within 2 days afterwards, most of the Superdelegates will commit, mostly to BO. That will put him over the top.
Meanwhile, the phony claims and inflexibility that breed hate in thinking, fair minded people will continue, as the HRC camp hopes for a miracle, believing this puts them in a position of strength.
The false bluster will fade away when the race has played out and the intra-party negotiations become final. Her supporters will follow her lead.

Here’s what happens next.
Obama gets the nomination.
For reasons too numerous too list here, he loses to John McCain in November.
Who gets blamed?
Hillary Clinton of course.
No one that ran against John McCain in the primaries has campaigned for him since he became the nominee.
And most probably won’t on a regular basis.
But WHEN Obama loses you know who’ll get the blame.
I’ve been a Democrat for 52 years, but that’s the CHANGE I see coming in November.

Let’s look at the possible worst case scenarios for a minute.
The Hillary supporters are essentially saying Barack will lose because he can’t get poor white voters. Some are even calling him “Hussein” on this blog.
On the other hand, Obama people are saying if Hillary got the nomination and lost the general it would be because of an inability to convert the hardcore Clinton haters.
Barack will likely win the general.
But “if” Barack is destined to lose in November it will be because we couldn’t recruit the 15% or so of the US population that are still hardcore closet racists.
Losing because of all the baggage the Clintons bring with them would be losing in the worst possible way.

O-Kay, It is time for the Democratic party to do what it is suppose to do. Be the strength of Domestic Policies first and foremost. I think Hillary is running to make it seem like the ticket is unwinable without her. This I feel is her concession. Nobody likes a looser and they really dont like a person whom drags out the inevitable. FYI somebody has to loose. Let’s pray it’s good ol’ Mccain….say no to four mo’.

I read lot of Hillary supporter blogs and it is obviously that a lot of you are plain just wrong. Democracy for the Hillary supporters is defined like this: you can be anything but black or you can be a white man or woman but black. Well, democracy has taken a new meaning now and thats called being honest and fair with one another and bring the nation together.

You didnt bother to vote because you knew your vote wouldn’t count?????
Did you not have a primary, where you also had to vote on other candidates, such as your congressman?
In Oregon, there was an undervote of nearly 90,000 people who only voted for the DEM nomination. Did not even bother to mark the circle for the DEM senate candidate to run against our republican senator.
Sorry, I have no sympathy for anyone who has the chance and obligation to vote, who doesnt bother.
Uninformed voters are a curse on democracy.

i agree wit Sally. Im a Hillary supporter 2. But we have to stop acting simple ya’ll. Lets stop the madness, vote DEM ’08

HRC2008: Better start sending the DNC money! They have only $4.4. million to run a Convention. They cannot pay for it. HRC is $20-30 million in debt. Start sending her some money too. Only Obama who spent just 75 cents of each dollar contribution still has $44 million dollars left. So put the money where you mouth is as the saying goes.
I do not see why Obama and his supporters should foot most of the bill for a Convention fight! And, it is unlikely that hard-core Dem leaders or even her political bigwigs would support her at that late date. And, just what would the DNC and HRC run an election on? They are broke enough now and will be bankrupt after the Convention on just their campaign chests. Even HRC knows that to turn Independent she would lose the real support that she needs for political clout to maintain a career.
In January, she was inevitable, had a multi-million dollar campaign chest, 700 campaign staff, 100 super delegates behind her even before their States voted so they did not even bother to wait for the voice of the people. She ran a bad campaign with poor managers. She put absolute loyalty to herself first instead of efficiency. Any good CEO can tell you that selection of department heads based on blind loyalty is a major mistake as are assumptions and presumptions. You can check that all of my figures are accurate.
I would be happy to have HRC as a VP but only if she dumps Bill first because I do not want him tagging along. My personal opinion. Or, a really very important Cabinet position and not some token job would be fine. She has a lot to offer but has alienated so many people except core supporters with her lousy campaign staff and some undeniable misspeaks.
Right now, I would be more than happy that all pastors for all candidates or endorsing them have a gag order put on them. Politics and religion are becoming a menace. Most of us know about McCain’s and Obama’s problems. Rev. Manning who is Black, in Harlem, a Clinton supporter recently called Obama’s mother White Trash. A former Clinton pastor in Utica is in prison for three years prison for inappropriately touching a 7-year-old girl at his home last March. Get them all out of the picture.

I don’t understand why Donna Brazill or Susun Mualvax off CNN did not run for president if they wanted change if it was only based on color to win the race, they should have ran if this is the change they wanted. Mybe they shoould consdier next time to run but I’m sure Obama will win since this is the change they want for now

Hillary Clinton is the No. 1 Corrupt Politician of 2007… and the last time I checked, 2007 was last year. Look it up! Go to Judicial Watch and you will see that out of ALL the politicians in the world, Hillary Rodham Clinton is “the” No. 1 Corrupt Politician of 2007. What would that have said about America if we had put the No. 1 Corrupt Politician of 2007 in the White House? It would have said we all need shrinks. She is not worthy of being anything. Her and Bill have “sex issues” to deal with. Hillary is with her women, and Bill is with his women. it’s a marriage of convenience, and here this has been couple come, thinking that we don’t know it. They continue to try to insult our intelligence, when Hillary is as lesbian as they come. Bill cheats because Hillary is too busy doing her own little thing with women as well. I do know one thing… they sure love those “interns.” Hillary get with young women and so does Bill.

As a Clinton supporter I must join those who are encouraging party unity at this time. I think we are beginning to look like morons if we do not accept defeat and ensure a Democratic victory in the Fall. She ran a hard race, I fought alongside her but she didn’t win, and no amount of math manveuring is going give Hillary the victory.

Nope. No way. I will NOT support Mr. Obama! He is a leftist, period. I’ve done the research. He’s a fascist, a far left fascist, what is called authoritarian. He’s as bad as any neocon.
Check it out…
http://pundita.blogspot.com/2008/05/new-authoritarian-left-and-barack-obama.html

I am 73 years old and I have voted Democratic since I turned 21 in 1956. I am supporting Obama since I believe he is the best candidate. If the Clinton machine steals the nomination I will have a difficult time in voting for for them. I, like millions of others. will not vote for Mr Flip-Flop Mccain. So I will end up voting and supporting Clinton. I won’t like it but she is better than Mccain. It is time that the Clinton supporters offer the same support to Obama after he gets the majority of needed delegates. This is unless you want to give up your freedom of choice, universal health insurance, four more years of our military getting killed in someone elses civil war, the destrution of social security, $10.00 per gallon gas, spending billions to rebuild Irac while our infrastucture rots away, the elimination of our middle class, the increased burden on 98% of us while the 2% do not pay their fare share of taxes and our civil liberties are completely taken away from us. To those of you are so pasionate toward Clinton and so abusive toward Obama, grow up and think what you want for America.

What I would hate to the most is Mr. John Mc Cain’t taking over the White House. But I would also not like to see the Clinton Saga part II “Revenge of the Monica Lewininski” in the White House.

If Hillary cares about the democratic party and the Clinton legacy, she won’t take thie to the convention. She should bow out gracefully.

Didn’t the Bylaw committee, Tina Flournoy and Harold Ickes, make the decision to strip both states of their delegates. Hillary had no problem with their decision in the beginning. She had the nomination in the bag, so what was the problem.
What a difference a day makes. Her presumtive nomination no longer a sure, her new battle cry is Florida and Michigan must be counted. Ickes and Flournoy now agree.
Will the party continue with this day time drama of “As the Clinton’s World Evolves” or put an end to this charade and get about the bussiness of winning the Whithouse. Hillary lost this nomination on Super Tuesday due to her arrogance. It’s time to move on!

Honest to God, I can’t figure it out – do Hillary voters vote for Hillary or Bill?

This is all really sad.
Nobody likes to be on the losing side of a race – but the truth is that Hillary lost this by ignoring the caucus states and not having a plan for after Super Tuesday. Those two mistakes dwarf the impact of what the DNC decided on Saturday.
If you let McCain win then rest assured that more of your children will die at war and his Supreme Court nominations will guarantee that Roe v Wade is overturned.

I had a tough time making up my mind back when my state’s primaty was held. I knew I’d vote as a democrat and I felt a great amount of respect for both Clinton and Obama.I listened carefully to both of them, closely followed their campaigns and thought I knew where they stood on issues and what their positives and negatives were in a general election scenario. My deciding question became, “Do I choose someone who talks about my fears or do I select someone who appeals to my hopes?” I voted for Obama and I continued to listen and watch.
His message has been consistent. I’m saddened, though, that the admiration and goodwill I felt for Hillary have been SO assailed by fear-mongering, pandering and rule-changing positions that I no longer would be happy to see her as my president. Today, as I’ve read the comments and see the spewing vitriol coming primarily from those who purport to support her, I am more convinced than ever that I made the correct choice. And I know Obama will prevail agaimst McCain in the fall. He’ll do this because the true democrat will put aside his/her candidate choice from the primary selection process and understand that the coming general election is far too important to EVERYONE in this country to allow a continuation of the policies that have brought us to the current sad state of affairs in our nation.

Anything but McBush!!!
Democrats ’08

To the person who sarcastically asked why Hillary is “crying over only four delegates – only four!” my response is: those four delegates represent 600,000 votes. Let me repeat this in case you didn’t get it the first time. 600,000 people voted for Clinton, and those 600,000 votes were “given” to Obama. We’re not talking four votes here, people, but rather over half a million disenfranchised voters. NOW do you get it??

Hillary isn’t smart enough to get out on a high note.
She is going to drag this thing out to the end. I wonder if Hillary and Bill Clinton are aware of what this is doing to their reputation. There are a lot of people who respected the Clintons, but now, they are making a fool of themselves, not only nationally, but, internationally. Just think, she has to go back to the Senate floor to work with other democrats. I don’t think she will be as respected by her peers because of her foolish behavior. Just wait until things start coming out about Hillary’s past. Then she’ll be so embarrass and sorry.
Hillary isn’t smart enough to get out on a high note.

Let’s leave the floor to the superdelegates, let them decide who picks the next Dems nominee and likely President: The people or Ted Kennedy?

Obama will lose the general election.

You know what’s REALLY sad? How Fox News will be covering the DNC in Denver. Picture this: Split-screen shots… one side, the convention floor (with the sound turned off)… the other side, 5 or 6 Clinton diehards picketing outside (although, likely, Republican plants pretending to support Clinton)… and Sean Hannity’s smug face in between. I’ll stick with MSNBC.

LeavingTheParty wrote on May, 31st:
“…just because Mr. Smart Guy decided to take his name off the ballot in Michigan,(stupid decision btw)…”
I think, LeavingTheParty adresses an issue many here feel the same as he does. But let me tell a little story.
Picture this: Your favourite football/baseball/whateverball team is having a game and you’re among the supporters. But just before you ready to leave the house, you hear in the local news that the game is cancelled because the referee got ill (and no substitute is found). So you and your team stay at home, because, well… there is no game. But it turns out that your opponent’s team cunningly got to the place, though, having found someone volunteering as the referee’s substitute… and has been playing the game without an opponent (that is, your team). After the game they claim to have won by a wide margin and that these points be counted in the league (thus maybe catapulting them to first place, for the sake of drama).
Well… now tell me, was it stupid of your team not to show up? And on the other hand, did your opponent’s team make a good decision to play and to claim that the points be counted? I think there would be the hell of an outrage if these points were counted…
OK, I might have got some facts about football/baseball/whateverball wrong, but I do hope you get the basic idea. Pleas feel free to send me a reply or a refinement (i.e. improvement) of the little story I posted above.

Monkey see, monkey do! Reminds me of the three monkeys but this time there are only 2 monkeys..hear no evil, see no evil…..but the third monkey changed his tune…..speak the evil..that is what Obama and his supporters are …all like the NEW monkey story!!!

Alright, the substitute thingy is a bit weird, I admit. So please, replace the referee issue with a bad weather issue. Later, the opponent’s team found out that the weather isn’t really too bad to play.
Yeah, this seems to be a better explanation.

You all know that the GOP have a new tape of Michelle and Farrakhan sitting on a board “railing against WHITEY”. I guess we have to accept that Obama will be the nominee but McCain will be the next President. Too bad Hillary has to go against such unsurmountable odds this year because she would be the best one. I’ll never vote for Obama.
The MSM and bloggers think that they have manipulated this election; they are wrong. Middle America will not vote Obama!!!

I am personally out of breath with this primary process. It is not a good thing at this point. The rules were accepted by all the candidates. The votes were agreed NOT to count. It is not the people of Florida or Michigan’s fault their elected officials decided to violate the DNC rules, knowing well in advance that this would make their process in violation and their votes would not count.
The fact of the matter is the Clinton campaign needs those votes as their only hope to keep this campaign floating her punch line “don’t forget to go to hillaryclinton.com” this is YOUR campaign. Don’t forget to
donate more money to a campaign that is finished?? I am so tired of this crap.
Super delegates if you don’t step in after Tuesday and give one of them the votes needed to clinch the nomination she will keep making threats and dividing the party further. I am hoping that voters hold politicians accountable for allowing this to go on this far. Vote NOW, I place my vote for Senator Obama and I was a Clinton supporter.

I was sick of the Clintons a long time before this stuff happened. More of her true colors have surfaced, and I wonder what scandal she will be in next.

Conventions are designed to finally CHOOSE just who the nominee will be, not to praise a nominee already chosen. Why is the DNC and the Obama campaign hurrying so much? Because the truth about Mr. Obama’s political history is beginning to come out, that’s why. And it isn’t pretty. Here is just one example:
http://pundita.blogspot.com/2008/05/new-authoritarian-left-and-barack-obama.html

murray190 wrote:
“…after all, it is the White Houe…”
Got a favour for black humour, do you? Sounds like you’re not feeling blue but black already. But I hope, you don’t get me a black eye for that. Well… couldn’t make up more jokes in due time…
Mind you, I’m not a racist either.
No, seriously, do you really think it’s going to be that bad? You see, voting republican is quite a long way away from what people want in this country. They’re fed up with the Iraq war and… well, I don’t have to tell you. So… many people already stated that Obama and Clinton differ only in few points. Why don’t you give him a try? And please don’t start digging up that MI/FL issue again. I think we’re through with that, it’s been fair regarding the fact that the delegates could have been disregarded completely. It’s the rules.
To all “back stab” people, esp. Mariann Pepitone:
Your obvious misapprehension of modern history is outrageous. You know, this “back stab” you mention reminds me much of one basic precondition for Hitler’s takeover in Germany: A similar argument was initially set up by the High Command of the Reichswehr (OHL) at the end of WW I (the German back stab legend being “Dolchstosslegende”) and claiming that the German army had exclusively been beaten by political opponents, not the Entente. As you all know, Hitler’s takeover resulted in WW II and the murdering of about 6 million jews, let alone the other 45 million dead people (soldiers and civilians). The German right-wing parties (bloody Nazi party and their fellow bunches of a***holes — sorry but that’s what they are) adopted this “back-stab” theory to badmouth political opponents and, without any doubt, Jews. Now, I won’t go so far as to say that you or anyone here is in favour of this Nazi bunch. But this “back-stab” claim is absolutely inappropriate and shouldn’t be uttered in a country like the USofA, claiming to be free and fair towards everyone, so CUT IT OFF, WILL YOU??

I just love the Democrats! It’s such a pleasure to see such a diverse group of people pounding out compromises and seeking fairness. Sure, there’s politics going on (that’s what all this is after all), but when all is said and done, the party is more representative of who actually lives in America. If you want to be a robot and fall in line, be a Repub. If you want to scratch and kick and make yourself heard, be a Democrat. They’re like a family: you can fight and not speak to each other, but when all is said and done, ya gotta love ‘em.

39.5 delegates to go (as of 2 am). He will get them. He can even lose SD and get them. No false accusations of sexism, claims of “violated voter’s rights” (my GOD, when will Clinton supporters pay attention to the PLEDGE SHE SIGNED!), or other misc. howls of misdirected outrage will win it for her now.
Let her take it to the convention. Watch what happens when those “latte drinking, volvo driving, cult member, elitist, racist, sexists” who worked their asses off to get him the nomination, and have been biting their tongues–resisting the urge to show up en mass to smother Hillary and her “hard working Americans, white Americans” supporters with the sheer weight of their masses. The word will spread the that Hillary and her bussed-in protesters are going to try for a coup at the convention. See how many thousands of Obama people show up. Even if Obama’s HQ’s asks them not to protest or show their outrage (as he did re. the RBC meeting), there won’t be any stopping them. It’s not even about him at this point. It’s about stopping McCain.
So maybe we’ll see you all in Denver. In the meantime, I’ll be having an Old Style in honor of Obama tomorrow. Maybe I’ll pour it in a glass. You know, just to be an elitist–I’ve got a reputation to protect.

The Clinton camp now bases all its hope on persuading 300+ superdelegates to change their minds. But they haven’t any new argument why they should, so it oesn’t look like they can do anything but act as spoliers at the convention ad campaign for McCan afterward. The end of the Clinton era in politics, self-destructive to the bitter end.

Deja vu! This is 2000 election all over. The Democratic superdelegates are playing the role of the US Supreme Court of 2000. Just as Dems have been accusing the US Supreme Court and the Republicans of stealing their 2000 election by ignoring the popular votes, their superdelegates are now doing exactly the same thing: ignoring the voice of people which are the popular votes and are won by Hillary. Americans all see through this hypocrisy. This is why McCAIN WILL WIN IN NOVEMBER.

i will never vote for OBAMA OSAMA