The Note: Obama vs. Clinton: The Battle Continues

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I am so sick and tired of hearing the name OBAMA, OBAMA OBAMA and OBAMA to the point where my stomach turns.

It must suck for Obama, but the fact remains he needs Hillary, and he needs Bill. Both of them have huge support in the democratic party as well as the nation, particularly in areas that Obama lacks support (rural areas). Hillary should be offered the VP spot, but if not, at the very least, they both should be showcased at the convention. If they are not, I promise you this, BO will not win. He must recognize that he won this contest more narrowly than a primary has ever been won. He needs her half of the party. It’s my opinion, that it will be a huge risk if she’s not on the ticket. But if he flatly refuses that, he MUST find a way to showcase her at the convention. I read she’s raised 500K for him and he has failed to raise that for her (an agreement they made after the primary). That gets back to her voters, and it will be hell to pay in November.

Amen Billy…Amen

Oba can win without the Clintons. He did win when the Clintons were openly contesting against him – how can he fail to win when they are out of the picture? Insane!

I am one of those selfish Hillary supporters who will vote for John McCain, and yes, I sleep very well at night. John McCain has said many times over the years that he would rather lose an election than win a war. He backed up his words by challenging George Bush on his execution of the war in Iraq, and alienating his own Party. McCain has alienated his own party on several issues over the years. That is the difference between Obama and McCain. I can pretty much predict what McCain is going to do. I have no idea what Obama stands for. He says one thing, changes his mind, and then changes it back again, depending on the way the wind blows. I have no idea who this man really is. He reminds me of an onion. Peel away the layers, and there’s nothing at the core. I don’t always agree with John McCain, but I’m pretty sure I know where he stands on most issues. At least that gives me some level of comfort. From day to day, I don’t know where Obama stands on anything. In one day, he said THREE different things about Iraq – he’d get the troops out in 16 months, then he’d keep troops in Iraq depending on conditions on the ground, and then he went back to his commitment to get the troops out in 16 months. It’s clear to me that this man is willing to say anything to get elected. The question is, what does he really believe and what will he really do?

Anybody remember that Saturday Night Live skit? The one where Hillary gives her top reasons she should be given the nomination. Her #1 reason “I’m a sore loser.” I believed it to be true back then and Hillary is proving it to be true now.

A much deserved vacation. This guy has taken more vacations this year than I have. The Democrats are on vacation and the Republicans are showing their face in Washington D.C. Hillary Clinton is not on vacation and her husband is raising money for AIDS awareness and treatment (a subject that the “One” has not touched) and John McCain is not on vacation. Obama could pick the other “one” , whoevever that might be and I wouldn’t vote for him. Go on vacation Obama. We all need a rest – from you. And because Hillary Clinton would not and did not play dirty by callling Obama out on his racists remarks (good for John McCain) she suffered. BTW he is not the nominee yet. There are over two weeks before the convention.

I am tired of Obama too but not because of his funny name. But because his pandering- insult to our intelligence campaign.
Obama now wants MI and FL fully seated. What happened to rules are rules?
I mean this is absolutely filthy and so disgusting that I can not contain myself.
With them seated fully
HILLARY WINS!!

I am one of the 18 Million voters that just can’t see Obama as our next president deep down I really want to support Him but, it is not in me due, to the way that he and his supporters treated the Clinton’s through the entire Primaries. Hillary needs to stand up for herself, her values, and the 18 Million people that voted for her. There is no alternative and Obama needs to sit down and shut up. She got the Popular vote, she got more votes yet He got more delegates due to the way our system is set up…If every vote counts then why is she not our nominee….Experience vs. talk and as far as I can see Obama is all talk that’s why He’s flip flopping on the issues. I can’t support anyone who does that. He talked a good game but, now that the primaries are over he’s showing everyone in this country he doesn’t have the first clue….America NEEDS Hillary Clinton.

The world is not big enough for the egos of Obama, Hillary and of course, Bubba Bill. Bill is fuming that an upstart not only took the nomination from Hillary, but made Bill look foolish in the eyes of many people with his rants. Obama may know this, but he has a Bull’s Eye on his back. The Clinton machine is out to make sure his presence on the political stage is a short one.

Obama had better select Hillary as his VP or he can kiss the presidency good-bye and the US will suffer another 4 years of Repuklican dictatorship & most likely go down the tubes!
Obama, we don’t want McShame running the show so hurry up and announce Hillary as your running mate OR LOSE!

If I were Obama, and she tried to pull this stunt at the convention, I’d with draw my name from the Democratic Ballot and let Mctyrant get the oval office.
Let’s see how Hillary chokes on that! Shee needs to realize that she’s not all that!
It’s insulting to think that because it IS time for us to get a woman in office, I’m not about to vote for ANY woman. I want my vote to count for the right direction.

Sad to read the comments on this board– indicating lingering strife and resentment within the party that I hadn’t realized ran so deep.
Hillary lost. Numbers weren’t there. Now the Clinton dynasty will foul the convention, the only hope of sending a clear msg that the party is united.
McCain’s a hawk, a social conservative and a petty wingnut. He reps 4 more years of tax breaks for the rich and deficits due to military spending.

Why no one has interviewed Obama’s mentor, Alice Palmer from Illinois is beyond me. Hillary Clinton was not the first women Obama threw under the bus. Any woman that votes for him is an idiot. But then, that’s what men think women are – idiots.

The DNC thought they were so clever when they picked Obama to be the nominee, only thing they overlooked were the people weren’t as stupid as they thought they were. The DNC thought the whole party would back their choice and had the republican nominee been a conservative that might have been the case. Fortunately, the repubs elected a central moderate nominee, one that many dems and independents are very comfortable supporting. Howard Dean banked on the dem party to be simple minded minions that would blindly follow. He miscalculated, 40% of the party are free thinkers who resent their heavy-handed political tactics. That 40%, plus the indies, plus the repubs will turn out for McCain. The DNC and Obama will lose this election.

Is John McCain more representative of the democratic party’s values than Obama is? Of course he is!!
Obama is a socialist not a democrat. He represents the mind-set of elitists who want to re-engineer the American way of life.
Real democrats will vote for McCain!

“Is John McCain more representative of the democratic party’s values than Obama is? Of course he is!!”
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

NYT: Obama leans on big-dollar donors
So much for Obama’s high and mighty claims to get his $$$ from little people. What a fraud!

Seems Like a typical CLINTON tactic….
I don’t care if I lost I want it anyway.
Our system is set up so there is no 2nd place – too bad the CLINTON’s don’t understand that.

Obama is going to lose. Plain and simple. The tide has turned,.People are very tired of seeing him and his family in the news and on the magazine covers. The marketers that created his image have oversaturated America with him. His star rose quickly and it is going to crash even faster. He will lose in November.

OBAMA and his supporters showed NO respect to HRC and her supporters during the campaign, HE now deserves NONE for Himself.

Stated perfectly, Thermal.
The new democratic party no longer represents that average American family.

Thomas – I’m thinking come November there will be many who think “maybe we should have taken them seriously.”

Clinton’s supporters are massive in numbers and growing. We may be seeing the formation of a new moderate third party, and that’s not at all bad. Obama’s supporters with their nasty personal attacks are trimming the rolls of the DNC and soon they will have complete control of “what”.

I don’t know why the media continues to only give half the story. Hillary Clinton clearly said in her announcement that she is backing Obama in this election and is appealing to her fans and supporters to do the same. She is holding a web conference today, but she doesn’t look or sound angry and hateful. I am so tired of the “spins” reporters and the media put on these poor people. Sometimes we don’t put on the best face when disappointed, but that doesn’t mean it has to be beaten to death by the media who wouldn’t know the truth if it bashed them in the face.

Jan…the best what???? Lier….Mmmm
I’d say she has her place and she should be in position where she can fight….Att General maybe

Laugh on Billy. Your comment is respresentive of the Obama low road.

Hey newvoter,
I say ambassador to China. Would be fun to see Bill/Hill deal with people as hard headed and devious as they are themselves. Plus, it gets them out of the way here.
If China’s not available, let’s open relations with North Korea. That might be even better.

ok NOT listen and listen well….. she got more vote in the primary than anyone in HISTORY…. so we just don’t want her name in the nomination…oh I forgot she is female she doesn;t desire it.Im glad FDR wasn’t a female…because he didn’t get the nomintion untill the 4th ballet !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

he has no one to blame but himself. He stole everything from his speeches, to delegates. Karma is coming back on him. He cannot win in November. He needs the Clinton’s and he knows it. Too bad, so sad….Hillary can and will take the Nomination. We will not support a selected candidate, and we do not want Hillary as a VP. He should have took the the Clinton/obama ticket when he had the chance. We are not all old, fat bitter women….we are all ages, nationalities, we are men and women…and we will remember in November!
PUMA

Go Hillary. Demand a vote and win for America!

There is no excuse for Hilary and Bill’s actions. Enough!

Genderism is alive in the USA. There are a lot of angry women out there.

I will be voting for McCain. Obama stole the nomination with underhanded tricks and corrupt lies. I will never have respect for him. He is a charlatan.
Hillary should continue making all the right noises but keep her distance from Obama. Obama will be enemy no. 1 in the democratic party soon. Anyone who is too close to him will be affected badly.
Hillary for president in 2012.

Obama camp and supporters are running scared now for good reason. The “world” may still be chanting for the “citizen of the world” but the VOTING American public is sick to the point of gagging at his pretty boy face and his platform of “just words”. He and Pelosi and the rest of the DNC railroaders are off to their vacation while we the public can’t go anywhere with gasoline prices at $4/gal or more! The DNC has created a train wreck of gigantic proportions, splintering the party and possibly doing irreparable damage.
Go McCain! ’08

Capitol Hill doesn’t care what we think.
That’s why their approval rating is so low.
And we continue to leave those idiots in power. We get what we deserve.
Go vote.

Hillary got more votes than McCain
Hillary got more votes than Obama
So the ONE candidate who got more votes than the other candidates, and those voters should be ignored at the party convention? Yep, good way of dividing the party.
Love it how the Obama supporters are always so viciously defensive, to the point of being foul and vicious when their precious messiah is threatened in any way. this is the “change” and “hope” that he is talking about? This blind obsession sounds more like what got Hitler into power.
Again, Hillary got more votes. You can whine all you want about “sore losers”, blah blah blah, but, so sorry for you, and you hate to admit it, but you need the votes of these sore losers for your messiah Obama, don’t you know? Better be nice to us.
No matter though, we ain’t voting for Obama.
DEMOCRATS FOR MCCAIN

Every vote for McCain is a vote for the oil companies, its for tax troubles, its for middle class holding their middle class spots, its for the lack of progress. Every vote for Obama is for better energy, its for higher taxes(cuz his policies need more funding), its for a slow progress, but its for more jobs. Every vote for Hillary, if the situation arises, is for failure. She isnt winning.

“$267,000,000 for Hype” huh??? But yet you all want Obama to settle Hillary’s debt with some of that “HYPE” money…Y’all are Full of IT!

Lisa Lewis: Many, if not most, of Hillary’s supporters have worked hard and sacrificed greatly to pay off her campaign debt. The supporters you are referring to are not necessarily the ones asking for help from Mr. Hype. In fact they’d rather not have ANYTHING from him.

To Cap ‘N Barky,
For an “Accidental President” who was “an accident” for two terms and the only Democrat able to be elected since Carter, I’d say he did a pretty good job. I believe you would have to admit that you did pretty well during those days of peace and prosperity and good will abroad, as well.
I commend your unadulterated adoration for your current choice, but it does not require you to dismiss the accomplishments of another. Even if your candidate did a totally unprecedented thing of defaming the Administration of a former President from his own party because he was frustrated with a challenger who happened to be the wife of that President and couldn’t deal with it, you do not have to. They will not win or lose the election for your candidate; he will do either all on his own. If your candidate is so smart and capable, so all-knowing and so deserving, so perfect for these times, you do not need to be so radical and so defensive that you trash everyone who came before him. The mess we are in is a direct result of the current occupant of the WH. Direct your comments to those who put him there and to the dismantling of this country that has occurred since he has been there. The “Accidental President” left the country in good shape, in spite of the Republican campaign to remove him from the day he took office.

Wow I’m so sick of hearing Hillary. She had the majority of the democratic voters and she wants party unity. I just don’t like that she gets in the press and not Obama. Why can’t she let the celebrity bask in his moment of glory until the election.

18 million doesn’t matter unless you all live in swing states.

erin | Aug 7, 2008 11:18:36 AM
What I would agree to is that obama knows he’s in hot water over the birth certificate issue and he has to find a legitimate reason to get to Hawaii and “take care of” that pesky detail before it finally bites him you-know-where. I hope McCain has someone keeping an eye on what goes on while he’s there…can’t count on the mainstream media to do that!

done with dems, you can’t possibly think there is a problem with his birth certificate. He would have never gotten this far if there was. I think it’s just more wishful thinking for some of you. Besides you don’t think that Hannity would have been all over this. I don’t buy it one bit.

Once again the democratic leadership feels it is worth the risk of losing to try shoehorning in a left wing radical instead of nominating more of a moderate who would win in a landslide in the current political landslide.
The republican leadership has major problems since neo-cons have taken over much of the agenda but the democratic leadership apparently also shows socialism and world wealth redistribution are more important to them than winning with a president who would actually pass pro-american laws.

“I agree that most successful politicians are ruthless, deceptive and arrogant. However, because Obama could not run on his experience (because he had so little), he instead chose to run as a “different” sort of candidate who was more honest and above politics. Now, after months of lies and flip-flops, we find that he is, instead, a typical politician, only less experienced and more racist. I bring up the racist issue because of the nature of his belief in black liberation theology, the theology to which he subscribed for 20 years at Trinity United Church.”
Great post. A must read for all bots.

The arrogance and naivete of so many Obama supporters never ceases to amaze me. These two posts take the cake:
“This whole thing is about race. You never planned to vote for a black candidate anyway no matter who he is. Its routed deep down inside your sub-conscious, maybe not hood wearing kind, but never the less it’s there eating at you. ”
“lol again…that “18 million” comment so typical of Clinton “supporters” is indicative of their delusional and self-aggrandizing personalities. note to jackass: you’re in the minority. there is no “18 million”. there’s only you and a few of your fellow merry band of morons. you effect nothing. go back to the basement”
So let’s see, if you are not for Obama, you must be a racist or a jackass. Lovely.

Obama is secure in the knowledge that his lemmings will blindly and obediently support his every move. They will gallantly argue for any position he holds, and when he changes that position, they will argue, just as vociferously, for that new position. Bud sadly, for the Fraudulent One, he knows that his lemmings are not enough in number to secure his election, and deliver to him the power he so ravenously craves. So, Obama knows he must now con the great sea of “undecideds” into believing that he is a centrist; that he is “one of them” — hence his recent “move to the center,” which is actually more of a temporary and politically expedient “detour,” than a real change of character or positions. Fortunately for the Fraudulent One, in this great battle for the hearts and minds of the American public, he has a powerful ally; the mainstream media. Yes, the same media that decided long ago that the Fraudulent One would be our President, is doing everything in their power to assist him in his unholy quest.

Idiots need to take a look at what all this blather is doing
this topic needs to go away for Hillary.
Her numbers have sunk in NY …because of the contentious primary.
This coming up may take the numbers thatw were not overwhelmingly great in NY to begin with …takes the dropped numbers from the primary and will threaten Hillary losing her Senate seat…
PUMA are you people just so self absorbed that you can’t see that this issue will cause Hillary to lose her Senate seat?
not to mention this blather you are spewing is the thing that keeps her FAR AWAY from being able to be given the nomination for VP
this all hurts Hillary more than Obama.
If she loses her senate seat that’s bad… but if she doesn’t put the policies ahead of her…she is going to lose that seat…
and none of you are helping…
not to mention PUMA is half the reason she can’t pay off her debt.
You people are so stupid cutting off Hillary’s nose to spite everyone’s face.
not to mention what you are doing for the bad stereotyp of women not being in politics…
morons.
this is laying out more self folled mistakes then when people voted for George W. …atleast that was about being fooled for security…
this is about being foooled because you didn’t get what you wanted.

WHY does obama “need” a vacation – he is running for President of the USA – you do Not take a vacation – to Hawaii – his “birth” place – seems very strange! Guess his campaign will have to take over with more corrupt tricks.
Obama is a FRAUD

Fred
you are wrong…beyond wrong…
and because of your blather Hillary comes closer and closer to securing that she will lose her senate seat
do you get that?
I’m not threatening that…that’s the fact…the numbers show that.
You all are hurting Hillary far more than you are hurting Obama.
oy duh.

dl: Nice try. Trying to convince us Hillary supporters that our continued opposition to your Messiah is hurting her, is a nice piece of propaganda, but misses a crucial point. We support Hillary, because we love our country and believe that she is the most suitable candidate. BECAUSE WE LOVE OUR COUNTRY, we are not going to support an inexperienced, ruthless, deceptive, divisive, race card throwing Obama, even if our opposition to him should have some impact on Hillary’s political career. Our country must come first, before party affiliations or even before Hillary.

Hillary Clinton is the Best Qualified to lead our country – obama is NOT.
The DNC sure picked the Weak, Arrogant, Radical FRAUD. They can still “fix” it at the convention – IF they ever hope to win back the white house.
McCain is a good 2nd choice – never obama

Hillary is a SHAM! We know this because we have actual footage of her ducking and dodging sniper fire in Bosnia!
Seriously!
(Reports have confirmed that a professional sniper somehow missed by over 50 yards and that the bullets landed off-camera… a poor choice of a sniper for the country that contracted to kill her!)
Vote for McCain to start war with BOSNIA!

Some Obama supporters say, as you have, that Hillary supporters should support Obama rather than McCain because Obama’s policies are similar to Hillary’s. However, they are assuming that Obama’s policy statements are the only issues in the election. Yes, Obama claims that his policies are very much like Hillary’s, but being the most deceptive politician of my lifetime, how can we know if that’s true. Moreover, after all of the recent flip-flops, who can be sure where Obama really stands on any of the issues. The only thing about which I am certain, is that he will do anything, take any position, and jettison anyone, to win this election.
In addition, before you analyze anyone’s policies, you must look at their character. Obama has shown, time and again, to be deceptive, ruthless and divisive. If anything, Obama has shown himself to be more dishonest and ruthlessly ambitious than any politician this side of George Bush. And, his 20 year allegiance to a racist and anti-American “mentor and spiritual adviser” destroys his pretense as a candidate who can bring America together. All we have left now, is a typical politician with little experience, who is trying to perpetrate on the American public, one of the most terrible hoaxes of our time.
According to a CNN poll of July 4, 2008, only 54% of Hillary Clinton voters plan on voting for Obama. For many of us, if the choice is between a centrist Republican with a Democratic House and Senate, and an inexperienced, deceptive, ruthless, and divisive Obama; we will vote for McCain. If, at some point in the future, the Democratic Party elite decides to pay attention to ALL of their membership, and field a candidate who represents the ideals of the mainstream of the Party, then I will happily come back to the fold.

dl: I would guess that Hillary’s fate “matters” to you so much, partly because you are content with your Messiah as the Democratic candidate. Well, millions of us are not so content, and we will put our country over every other concern. That you would argue differently is odd.

In 2000, Bush was an unqualified, arrogant candidate who thought he was the lord’s answer to America’s prayers. I did not support him and voted against him in 2000 and 2004. I was right.
In 2008, Obama is an unqualified, arrogant candidate who thinks he is the lord’s answer to America’s prayers. I don’t support him either.

If I had ever considered, as a true Independent, voting for Obama, his vulgar followers like Billy and Donna have absolutely convinced me that he is not only a fraud and empty suit but his main support is from lazy products of our many urban wastelands as well as the known ones of off-shore bankers and other recipients of the funds from big-oil and those companies that have removed jobs as well as tax monies from the U.S. Only crooks and fools would continue to support Obama.
Posted by: jeanned’arc | Aug 7, 2008 10:39:24 AM
EXACTLY!!!
GO PUMAS!!!

One gets what one pays for. We let the creepy Clintons slide on Bill exposing himself to women and all of the other awful bits. Hillary pounded on those oor women and the country looked the other way. OK, there was this little thing about a bank being looted and a bunch of corrupt people going to jail and crooks and felons being pardoned. We know they were the most ill people to ever occupy the Whitehouse and we looked the other way.

Hillary needs this to Heal
you can’t win a senate seat with 25% of the population liking you.

“I hope all you Hill supporters live in swing states, otherwise it won’t matter how you vote. Blue states are going blue without you.”
I actually do live in a swing state, so I guess my vote does matter?
Posted by: Mack | Aug 7, 2008 11:56:53 AM
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ME TOO!!!

There can be no doubt that Hillary expects to run in 2012. She must believe Barack will lose to McCain. If that is so, she will get even with all the turncoats that treated her like crap during the primaries by backing a very liberal junior senator that has really done not much. 60 percent of the population can’t name one thing Barack is even known for. YIKES. The media manufactured this guy and now that the hype is gone what have they got???? Obama will not pick Hillary for VP. I would bet she doesn’t even want the job. She has to pretend she is rooting for him, but she is not. Obama painted the Clintons as racists and for that they will never forgive him. Now that is a part of their legacy which is far worse and damaging than the Monica issue. Bill is furious about it and I don’t see that fury calming down. What is really funny is that the very thing that everybody has disliked a lot about the current administration is abundantly true of Obama. If questioned intensely he gets very testy if not rude and he surrounds himself with only those that think just like him. He is no more open to debate than GW ever was. It is his way or the highway. McCain has proven he is the ONLY one capable of listening to both parties which is the only way to get Washington back to work.

“The true strength of our country is we have survived 16 years of total nonsense at the highest levels, but the cracks are starting to show.”
I agree with this statement but do not agree an inexperienced marxist is the answer. Obama would make a great president for a socialist/communist country but this is something that I don’t want to see happen to america. Maybe some people do but not me.

So funny..Two grubs came to my door the other day. They were grubbing for money for OBummer. I gave them 3 pennies and asked for CHANGE! Chuckle…..
MY dream bumper sticker…Leave your lights on all DAY if you are voting McCain!
Leave your lights OFF all NIGHT if voting for OBUMA! chuckle

All I hear is stupidity barking. None of the posts here come with a valid reason to their thinking. Why? because you are throwing out opinion and making them look like facts. The “fact” is opinions are not facts unless you reason it out.
Why is Obama not ready to lead?
Why is McCain not ready to lead?
Why is Hillary in the picture?
Hillary did accept defeat to Obama already. She has not been in the race until now. Opportunist I must say that she now wants to sway things two weeks before the convention. What will she do? Use her contacts in DNC for divide and rule. I hate this tactic. You 18 million supporters dont see this? It’s cheap. It is not a fair play and I would not want to see such a degraded human being leading our nation.

Cryos, do your research. For one, he doesn’t agree with equal pay for women. He thinks more education and training is needed. In 2000 he opposed an admendment aimed at providing remedies to victims of discrimination in the payment of wages on the basis of sex. And there is so much more. Like I said do your research before you mouth off.

McCain 08!

Sean | Aug 7, 2008 12:08:30 PM
Why is Obama not ready to lead?
-spent only 143 actual working days as a senator
-His opinion that the surge would create more violence against American troops was dead wrong
-has no military experience, unlike his rival, Sen. John McCain
-his energy plan lacks substance (in some areas is just laughable, got my tire gauge handy). He and Pelosi and friends REFUSED to address the energy situation before going on vacation, thus proving the point that they are out of touch with the needs of the American people. Their outright refusal to deal with something so key to our individual lives and the overall economy is just a small foretaste of what we have to look forward to under an obama dictatorshi…oops, presidency.
There’s plenty more but that’s a start.

We can argue back and forth, cut each other down, whatever. The fact remains, with this recent insurgence of Hillary and her supporters, this inevitably, will have serious negative consequences on Obama. Its plain to see, that the Democrats are not united this year, and probably wont be. This plays right into the hands of the GOP. Whether its the DNC, Obama, or Hillary, fact remains, there will be no unification. We all should practice saying, “Welcome, President John McCain.”

Jay | Aug 7, 2008 12:42:27 PM
More of the same. Don’t have time for this. Moving on to find intelligent life elsewhere. LOL yourself all the way to the coming McCain presidency.

Typical McCain supporter tactics though:
1) Use the same attack over and over again.
2) Be ignorant, regardless.
3) Have no rational thinking
4) Accuse of name calling, when none of that is being done.
5) Troll

Jay: You are now 0 for 2 in the substantive comment department. By the way, please post the “unsubstantiated BS” which you are talking about. Thank you for your cooperation.

I used to have so much respect for Bill and Hillary Clinton. Her supporters are whining about not being heard and not getting respect. How do you think Obama’s supporters felt during the primaries when she said McCain would make a better President than Obama on more that one occasion? I can tell you this. I know a lot of Obama supporters and if she doesn’t do everything in her power to help him win now, she will not win in 2012. Obama’s supporters will remember that she wasn’t behind him and her and her supporters caused the loss and they will make sure she loses in 2012. Obama also has 18 million voters. Remember this the next time you hope Obama loses so Hillary can run in 2012. She needs Obama’s supporters as much as he needs hers. Don’t forget. We won’t.

what kind of pathetic excuse for a political or even historical expert seriously attempts to compare obama to Theodore Roosevelt? TR was a governor, Asst. Secretary of the Navy and a soldier with field experience….and don’t let anyone tell you that experience as a senator or legislator is more similar to the responsibilities of the Presidency than a governorship….

“If you’re not legislating God, you’re legislating sin.”
OMG one of those guys. Emmery! Did god ask you to talk bad about someone?
“Obama also is against teaching Creationism and Intelligent Design in our schools.”
Why can’t you teach your kids about it at home? No time? but you got time to post here. By teaching Creationism and Intelligent Design in our schools, you are forcing knowledge. You are taking away the freedom. That’s what Republicans are about? Taking away freedom? Pro life? Pro Creationism? The people cannot choose for themselves what they want?

by the way, not all of obama supporters are like this….just many…

Strong words there Chris.
Assumption is what I call it. And opinion is what you may call it.

obama uses semantics to avoid lying when he says he doesn’t take money from lobbyists and drug companies….(he only takes money from their ceo’s, spouses and has them on his staff)

sorry….my hope of giving those who care about making the best decisions for their loved ones the information necessary to make such a decision obviously does not apply to you….

sean, given your support of obama, it is no wonder that you did not read my entire post……i never said ALL obama supporters are racist and/or sexist…..just many or most….

Isn’t it funny and ironic that many of the Obama supporters who rip the Clintons now were likely big Clinton supporters from 1992 through 2007? Yes, Bill Clinton is a deeply flawed man, but his presidency was a largely successful one. Can Obama supporters at least admit that?

Jay: Evidently you don’t know the difference between lies and opinion. A lie is an intentional misstatement of the truth. An opinion is not a lie, and each of us is entitled to one. In my opinion, your Messiah is deceptive and divisive. In your opinion, he is perfect. You and I are different, that’s all. One more thing: Insults and name-calling are the last resort for those who have no argument.

Obama wants to focus on anything but his own character and judgment. He cannot erase a 20-year relationship with a racist and anti-American pastor who he considered to be his “mentor and spiritual adviser,” by merely making a public denunciation required by his falling poll numbers. This transparent gesture won’t fool anyone but his most ardent supporters. The press has really let us down regarding Obama by not vetting him sooner. Perhaps they will make up for it by investigating the nature of Obama’s religion; black liberation theology. Why? Because anyone who would subscribe to such a racist theology for 20 years, is not fit to be President of the United States. Rev. Wright cites James Cone as his theological mentor regarding the theology Obama has been soaking up for the last 20 years. Here, in his own words, is James Cone’s description of Obama’s so-called religion:
“Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community. Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.”
If one attends KKK meetings for 20 years, it is not unreasonable to assume that that person is a racist. If one attends a racist black liberation theology church for 20 years, like Obama did, it is likewise not unreasonable to assume that he is a racist.

Outside of her emotional female database, Hillary Clinton has the remaining support of what has to be mostly homosexual men!
The logic to this is simple…. the way Hillary Clinton ran her campaign against Obama was disgraceful and disgusting…. And NOW ….only gays can be found holding their hands high and screaming her name nowadays.

The only “change” Obama is truly interested in is changing his address to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

at the end of the day, i am still able to look my child in the eyes and sleep well at night KNOWING I support the best candidate for the awesome responsibilities of the Presidency, Senator Clinton……i highly doubt anyone else supporting the lesser candidates (mccain/obama), can say the same thing….

“Cryos, do your research. For one, he doesn’t agree with equal pay for women. He thinks more education and training is needed. In 2000 he opposed an admendment aimed at providing remedies to victims of discrimination in the payment of wages on the basis of sex. And there is so much more. Like I said do your research before you mouth off.”
D I would counter with go do research on what happens who you make preferential politics a centerpiece of policy. There are plenty of areas of the world like the balkans in eastern europe, the middle east and some countries in africa to show the effects. Zimbabwe is a prime current example of the effect that these type of politics have on a nation in the long run.

Everything the Clintons say or do is underscored by reservations. These two phonies need to fade away into the history books filed under corruption!
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One last question before I go for Obama supporters. Outside of his rhetoric (which now seems to change as necessary), can any Obama supporter point to any Obama actions/accomplishments that you believe provide a positive indication as to how he would govern?

i feel sorry for you jay, but at the same time, i want to help you….and if you feel that is pompous and arrogant, that’s fine…..i don’t need your approval to argue for what i know is right…..as for religion, i was responding to another poster’s call for god in the classroom, which is how that side argument/comments got started from my end…..we may probably agree on that topic, that neo-conservatives are anti-christian in actions, if anything, because all they support and call for (disharmony, exclusion of other religions, hatred for gays, etc.) is directly against the teachings of god/jesus…..i have become very wary of those who try to inject religion into politics because, more often than not, their agenda runs counter to such teachings….

jay….i supported Kerry in 2004 and he lost as well….does that mean my judgment was flawed then? even you would say not…..just because our candidate loses does not mean they were the wrong choice, it just means more people thought their candidate was better, and my argument is that their judgment is flawed, and millions of others have agreed with me…..it only supports my argument that your logic is flawed when you consistently fail to comprehend my statements, as you have done so yet again…

Jeremy you are wasting space unnecessarily so most people will ignore your post. I agree with you on the Saddam invading Kuwait that most people don’t know and is an issue where republicans and democrats were dirty. Saddam let people know he would invade Kuwait before he did. Kuwait was undercutting OPEC and Iraqs economy was going in the tank so the Kuwait invasion was one of the only realistic options for Iraq to not bottom out.
I don’t like a lot of things republicans (realistically the neo-cons not actual republicans in my opinion) but I don’t see the answer being voting in a marxist who is more concerned with redistributing americas wealth around the globe than in americas interests. A balance in politics is needed.

“Obama also is against teaching Creationism and Intelligent Design in our schools. If you’re not legislating God, you’re legislating sin.”
Is McCain for it? That would be a deal breaker for me.

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To FOB, and other Hillary voters planning on voting for McCain:
McCain is staunchly pro-life, and he has stated repeatedly that he wants Roe v. Wade overturned. He has promised to appoint right wing judges to the supreme court- a lifetime appointment.
McCain has voted against raising the minimum wage over and over, and voted against letting women challenge sexual discrimination and unequal pay from their employers.
McCain has opposed insurance companies from paying for womens’ birth control, while approving mandatory insurance coverage of viagra for men.
McCain has voted to cut funding for afterschool programs and preschool childcare.
McCain has fought ardently against women’s issues and family issues.
If you supported HIllary, it makes no sense to vote for someone who has actively worked against Hillary and the things she has fought for her whole life.

Jay said: Apologies, Fred. Your posts tend to not only be incredibly weighty and insightful…but downright genius. We can only aspire to be as witty and brillant as you.
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Thank you, Jay

Obama is sinking fast and I am soooo glad. I had faith the American people would wake up and they did. I, too, am a Hillary supporter who is now supporting McCain. I shudder to think what this country would be like with Obama at the helm.

Is John McCain more representative of the democratic party’s values than Obama is? Of course he is!!
Obama is a socialist not a democrat. He represents the mind-set of elitists who want to re-engineer the American way of life.
Real democrats will vote for McCain!
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The media acts like Obama has not committed gaffes. His list of gaffes in long and astounding. Snubbing troops, 57 states, can’t admit the surge worked, walls coming down in Belfast, ignorant of Illinois bordering Kentucky, inflating tires already inflated equals new oil drilling, Presidents of Canada and Iraq, snubbing Clinton, we need more white people, kicking out American Muslims, hugging Evan Bayh but fist bumping his wife, ……

DEESTAR77!!!! You said it BEST!!! If you thing Hillary is going to run in 2012 then you and Hillary better remember everything you did and said during this campaign. That’s right…there are 18 million Barack Obama supporters as well… and we are disgusted with many of you. You tell us you are voting for McCain and then you turn around and say you’re mad because Obama hasn’t retired Hillary’s debt.. Are you freaking kidding me?? What nerve!!!!

OBAMA and his supporters showed NO respect to HRC and her supporters during the campaign, HE now deserves NONE for Himself.