Who’s that Praising McCain?
ABC News’ Bret Hovell Reports: Who said it?
"I admire Senator McCain greatly."
"I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience he will bring to the White House."
"I believe the right approach begins with the proposal put forward by…Senator McCain."
Do names of Republicans pop to mind?
Would you believe Howard Dean, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, respectively?
A new web-only ad from the McCain campaign compiles seven quotes from seven prominent Democrats, each one offering compliments for the presumptive Republican nominee.
You can watch the ad HERE
Of course the ad, "Praising McCain," doesn’t utilize any recent sounds from those democrats – except for the quote from Clinton, who spoke her praise as a condemnation of her then-rival for the Democratic nomination, Barack Obama. Dean’s quote is more than five years old, one from Tom Daschle, the former Senate Democratic leader, is more than eight years old.
The praise from the left has been fainter since McCain starting running for President.
But the ad is designed demonstrate one of the points McCain makes regularly on the stump – that he can work across the aisle with Democrats.
The campaign isn’t spending money on the ad, beyond having produced it. They’ve parked it on YouTube, and are hoping for the free media of cable coverage to propel the ad beyond the Internet.
2004 Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., released a statement Thursday in response to McCain’s new ad, arguing McCain has changed.
"The McCain campaign is determined to give their Paris Hilton ad a run for its money in the desperation department, and they’ve succeeded only in shining a light on the fact that the John McCain of today is unrecognizable from the John McCain of just a couple years ago," Kerry wrote.
"The real question is what happened to the John McCain we used to know and why he changed overnight into a George Bush nominee with a Karl Rove campaign. The new John McCain supports the Bush tax giveaways for the wealthy he once denounced, opposes his own immigration bill, flip-flopped on torture, and runs negative ads after calling for an honorable campaign," Kerry’s statement read.
Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean also resonded: "John McCain a maverick? The John McCain of 2000 wouldn’t even consider voting for the John McCain of 2008. The American people are learning that the John McCain of 2008 represents more of the same failed policies we’ve gotten from George Bush for the past eight years. Senator McCain is clearly in the tank for Exxon and big oil, for keeping our troops stuck in Iraq for decades to come, and for an economic policy that puts tax breaks for the wealthy and corporations above relief for hardworking families. John McCain has changed: he’s taken the low road, leveling false, negative and misleading attacks against Barack Obama. John McCain is no more a maverick within the Republican Party than Dick Cheney is. He’s just more of the same."
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“when you take something out of context, call it your own, . . . . . .plagerism?
Posted by: DAVID NH | August 7, 2008, 6:14 am 6:14 am
And, sure enough, the media plays along with free coverage.
Posted by: caliguy55 | August 7, 2008, 6:17 am 6:17 am
Priceless…….
Posted by: Stan | August 7, 2008, 6:23 am 6:23 am
If Hillary Clinton really will get us out of the Middle East she should run as an independent and she would win.
Obama and his promise to get us out of the middle east was JUST WORDS and POLITICAL RHETORIC.
McCain I beleive would give us out of the middle east honorably and get us out faster than the quagmire Obama wants over their
Posted by: cool world | August 7, 2008, 6:25 am 6:25 am
I love the ad! I think its a GREAT idea to have these well-known democrats giving praise to President McCain! McCain has always been bi-partisan.
Posted by: Susan | August 7, 2008, 6:27 am 6:27 am
The McCain campaign is incredibly childish. And desperate. He is basicaly the incumbent and he cannot break 41% in the polls.
Posted by: Kevin | August 7, 2008, 6:38 am 6:38 am
I don’t know about either candidate honestly but I know we can’t continue to follow Bush’s policies. While I respect McCain he really doesn’t seem that different from Bush and his policies. As far as the economy I don’t think the republicans have the average middle class American in mind so not sure why people still think that they can provided answers for the funk they helped put this country in.
Posted by: al | August 7, 2008, 6:38 am 6:38 am
They praised McCain back 5 to 10 years ago when he was “Maverick” and not the empty suite he is today.
Boy you guys will get excited over some of the smallest stuff.
Posted by: beck | August 7, 2008, 6:41 am 6:41 am
As for Hillary Clinton: I voted for her here in Florida and always respected her and her husband. I was rooting for her to get the VP spot, but not anymore. Their conduct in this week has made me lose respect for her. If i was a childish as McCain, i would have asked her to return my campaign donation.
Posted by: Kevin | August 7, 2008, 6:42 am 6:42 am
Unfortunately he is temperamental and has severve senior moments. We can’t afford him to lead our loved country.
Posted by: COL.A.M.Khajawall [Ret[ | August 7, 2008, 6:44 am 6:44 am
Cool World: LOLL McCain is one who put us in the middle east. It is like McCain vs. McCain. You people need to open wide your eyes.
Posted by: beck | August 7, 2008, 6:44 am 6:44 am
Al,I respectfully say maybe you need to find out more about the candidates. McCain is and has always been a Maverick. He’ll break from the republicans and stand for what he believes in. He is no Bush. Actually, Obama is starting to show many Bush-like traits. As far as the economy my retirement accounts have been soaring the past several years, it has just been in this past year that they’ve been coming down. Let’s see, can we honestly blame the republicans for everything that goes wrong? I was so thrilled when the dems took over two years ago, needless to say, that thrill was short lived. Everyone gets credit for our current state of affairs.
Posted by: Stan | August 7, 2008, 6:44 am 6:44 am
Mcain wasnt that bad 8-10 years ago but NOW he has sold his soul to the evil bush,Do remember cynics there have been republicans to praise obama HAGEL,PAWLENTY, GOV ARNOLD S, ETC!!
Posted by: angie | August 7, 2008, 6:50 am 6:50 am
“And what Repubs been complimenting Obama lately. Let’s see: Pawlenty, Palin, Hagel, Lugar…anyone can play this game.”
This works well for McCain. Obama and democratics are trying to push this “same as Bush” false notion and act like McCain does not have a bipartisan history so I think this is very effective. I think it’s amusing how Obama has the most liberal voting record, has never taken a bipartisan approach to an issue where he takes any political risk or spends political capital, yet tries to be labeled as the unifier and bipartisan candidate.
If democrats had nominated a moderate democrat they would win in a landslide due to the political climate but once again democratic leadership insists upon nominating a left wing radical which will once again fail. You’d think they would have learned in 2000 and 2004 but I guess to the leadership taking a risk is worth getting a left winger into the white house.
For all those hopping on the Boone Pickens train I hope you have looked into his history. He is a billionaire from oil, but he is smart enough to see with the oil industry being the current american industry under attack from democrats he needs to diversify his holdings. He has invested heavily into wind and other alternative energies to make several more billion. He has been using some very underhanded techniques to achieve his goals but because wind power is trendy and “green” politicians on both sides are turning a blind eye.
The site I link is very opinionated and anti global warming so keep that in mind, but it is a very good starting point and analysis of Boone Pickens. Take it as you will and make up your own mind as to the validaty and purpose of his energy plan.
http://junkscience.com/ByTheJunkman/20080724.html
http://junkscience.com/ByTheJunkman/20080731.html
Posted by: Cryos | August 7, 2008, 6:51 am 6:51 am
wah, wah, wah! Look at all these crybaby Obama supporters complaining about some positive attention for once that the media is giving McCain! YOu are just so sensitive that anything negative about Obama, you call it “biased”! It is very well known that Obama gets much more attention than McCain! How many news anchors accompanied McCain on his european trip???
And, STOP , with the race card already! It’s called freedom of speech…we are allowed to criticize Obama without being racists, and we are allowed to NOT VOTE for him without being racists! Americans are sick of these accusations, and will fight back at the polls, Obama is clearly dividing America with his race card politics!!
Posted by: decentAmerican | August 7, 2008, 6:51 am 6:51 am
I thought that McCain thought that working across the isle was bad? When Obama recently said he would be willing to compromise on off-shore drilling in order to get bi-partisan support the McCain camp lambasted him as a “flip-flopper”. So what is it McCain, it bi-partisanship only good when you do it, and bad when Obama does it?
Posted by: Jeff | August 7, 2008, 6:53 am 6:53 am
Yes McCain is one of the good guys. I wanted Hillary but now I will be voting for McCain. The democratic party has been hijacked by extremists.
Posted by: Hillary2012 | August 7, 2008, 6:56 am 6:56 am
I think McCain is ready to be president. Obama has only been a Senator for what? Two years or so? Since when is a man ready to be CEO of a company when he only has two or so years of experience? At the least, a governor would have more experience since his state government is a microcosm of what the Federal government is. But a Senator of only two years? Do you really think he is ready just because he has charisma? Hugo Chavez has loads of that and look what he is trying to make his country into – another Cuba!
Posted by: Nelson Feliciano | August 7, 2008, 6:57 am 6:57 am
a good move…. mccain is bringing up two issues at one: years of experience and willingness to work with democrats.
Posted by: mccain 08 | August 7, 2008, 7:14 am 7:14 am
Nelson
Mccain has been in senate for 25 years what has he done for our energry war in iraq, jobs, healthcare, education, etc if his 25 years experience of voting NO or barley showing up to vote at all i will take the less experience anyday!!!
Posted by: angie | August 7, 2008, 7:17 am 7:17 am
All the “living under a rock” bloggers who consistently accuse Sen Obama as being a Muslim: Watch out, a storm is coming and you will be washed away into the storm drain. Your lungs will absorb the sand and water and you will surely drown – still hating and still misinformed. tsk, tsk, tsk…
Posted by: Dee | August 7, 2008, 7:19 am 7:19 am
The media is propping up McCain like
” Weekend at Bernie’s “
Posted by: Ron | August 7, 2008, 7:19 am 7:19 am
Both parties have been hijacked by neo-cons and neo-libs however I can not in my right mind vote for a socialist who seems more concerned about redistribution of wealth to the “world citizens” than the interests of americans. It’s too bad that a lot of liberals have been replaced by the faith based idealist eutopia that the neo-libs embrace above everything else. Neo-libs have lost the tolerance, open mindedness, rationality and ability to see multi faceted bipartisan issues that classic liberals possessed. Even though I didn’t agree with liberal idealogy I could respect it. Modern neo-libs I lump more in with religious conservatives who base their politics on religion/faith rather than logic and reason.
McCains response to the race card was great. In my opinion there is no question this is exactly what Obama was doing just like he pulled it on Clinton several times. McCain showed he isn’t going to take that garbage and end up being on the defensive about race but will keep it out of the election as it should be. Racism is wrong no matter your skin color or nationality.
Posted by: Cryos | August 7, 2008, 7:19 am 7:19 am
Either one would be better than what we have now.
Posted by: Chuck | August 7, 2008, 7:24 am 7:24 am
It’s McCain vs McCain . He is a legend in his own mind.
Posted by: Ron | August 7, 2008, 7:25 am 7:25 am
McCain has a history of practicing bipartisanship.
Obama has a history of talking about bipartisanship
Posted by: Miguel | August 7, 2008, 7:25 am 7:25 am
Why does McShame put out ads that are all lies. He is a Bush clone. Bush lied all the time and started a war the McShame supported.
Posted by: gl | August 7, 2008, 7:25 am 7:25 am
8 year old quotes, that’s before McBush sold his soul for the white house, trashed any values he ever had and became a joke. Why doesn’t he go back to the 70′s, I’m sure he can dig up SOMETHING good about himself from then.
Posted by: JR | August 7, 2008, 7:26 am 7:26 am
McBush, McShame…
Yeah, those comments sound like they were made by 8-year-olds.
Posted by: Miguel | August 7, 2008, 7:28 am 7:28 am
Hillary2012 – It will never happpen. She will be too old like McShame.
Posted by: gl | August 7, 2008, 7:30 am 7:30 am
Cryos: News Flash, McCain played the race card not Obama… It has been proven, Repubs are walking away from McCain as of today because of his actions or lack of them.
I watched one of McCains town hall meeting a few weeks ago, he told those people that “Obama did not look like any other president on the dollar bill” McCain said that, NOT Obama. My first thought was “why because he is black” my second though was “how low can McCain go”. Pretty low I guess.
The Arizona senator is running a barnyard demeaning campaign even comparing Senator Obama to Paris Hilton, lying about Obama’s record of visiting our wounded warriors and lying about Obama playing the “race card.” Denouncing the new Dirty Politics McCain, McCain’s own former strategist, John Weaver said to Newsweek: “Its hard to imagine America responding to ‘small ball’ when we have all these problems.”
McCain is going to lose this election. And the way he loses will take the Republicans down with him.
As a former Republican activist who, as late as 2000, was campaigning for John McCain against Bush, today I am a dedicated supporter of Senator Obama. Yes, I changed my mind. But that isn’t the point. My point here is to ask how the Republicans will define themselves by the means they use to try to define and defeat Obama.
Posted by: beck | August 7, 2008, 7:32 am 7:32 am
McCain is the most arrogant candidate out there.
Posted by: Brandon | August 7, 2008, 7:33 am 7:33 am
McShame praised Obama at the NNACP convention a month ago. So who paaised who?
Posted by: gl | August 7, 2008, 7:34 am 7:34 am
That’s fine. If they want to replay good examples of the civility of the Democrats, more power to them!
Posted by: jock59801 | August 7, 2008, 7:36 am 7:36 am
GJohn,
Sorry buddy but your not fooling anyone about being a former Republican voting for Obama. The republicans and many democrats are voting McCain this year. Obama was in the senate for 1 year before he started running for president. He voted “present” on over 100 issues in that 1 year that he was in the senate instead of voting “for” or “against” the issues. He has changed his position on almost every issue since he has been running for president. No one believes a word of what this guys says or even knows where he stands.
A Democrat who is paying attention.
Posted by: Jeff | August 7, 2008, 7:39 am 7:39 am
They praised McCain back 5 to 10 years ago when he was “Maverick” and not the empty suite he is today.
Yea, find a Dem that will praised the old man today not 5 to 10 years. Mcshame ads all reach too far from the truth. Like I said, McShame just praised Obama at the NNACP a month ago not 5 to 10 years ago. Nice try, but to far of a reach. McShame is seen today as an old out of touch angry man who is so jeaslous of Obama press coverages so day after day the McShame machine keep putting out fault ads about Obama just to get some media coverage. How sad for the McShame campaign.
Posted by: gl | August 7, 2008, 7:44 am 7:44 am
Praise MacCain! give me a break. This is my slogan: “Give MacCain a cane.” He wouldn’t even survive a full 4 year term. The man is too old. Hello!!
Posted by: James | August 7, 2008, 7:45 am 7:45 am
If John Kerry would have fought back for himself like he is doing for Obama, he would have beaten Bush. McCain HAS changed. His campaign has turned nasty and irrelevent. Problem is, this negative stuff works on the naive American voters.
Posted by: Phil | August 7, 2008, 7:49 am 7:49 am
WHAT????? Politics? Is there going to be an election…..
AKA: Who CARES! They’re all crooks in their own way.
Posted by: ME | August 7, 2008, 7:50 am 7:50 am
Love it!
Posted by: samhiguchi | August 7, 2008, 7:50 am 7:50 am
Anyone who claims to be a Democrat for McCain is a liar. No Democrat or for that matter Anyone with an IQ over 75 would vote for a lying, cheating, incompetent, power mad slimeball like McCain. He was never a real Hero, not like those who actually did heroic things like save others lives. READ his book, he thinks we should have ignored the POW’s and then we would have won Vietnam. Our soldiers are completely expendable and so are you.
Posted by: Shirley | August 7, 2008, 7:52 am 7:52 am
This getting ridiculous – everyone is acting like they have a choice in the presidential election and they might have had one, if Hilary Clinton won her parties nomination. But she didn’t and you have a well spoken man who has never done anything with a very few friends for he has disowned most of them for political reasons only.
We are electing the President of the United States not a pretty boy and a great debater. You must bring something to the party like a resume DUH. There is no comparison between McCain and Obama when comes down to their life’s work. NONE
Sad but true you have no choice – you can take your polls and listen to the press but in the end when make that vote the majority will vote McCain for there is no other choice.
Posted by: a citizen | August 7, 2008, 7:52 am 7:52 am
McCain acts like he is running for homecoming queen. It’s all personality and zingers. But McCain is playing with fire, he has caved to the right and no longer is a “maverick”, isn’t talking to the press any more, and there is still that problem of calling his wife the c-word, and Asians g**ks. The Democrats can use all this at any time. He is disgusting and more than a little envious.
Posted by: Sanity Man | August 7, 2008, 7:52 am 7:52 am
Hillary wouldn’t “get us out of the middle east” any sooner than the next person. That was all just campaign stomp speech rhetoric.
Posted by: Timus | August 7, 2008, 7:53 am 7:53 am
These posts are funny. Where do you guys get your facts from? I want all the obama supporters to write their comments down, go bury them in the yard, and dig them up after the elections.
You can look at all the polls you want, obama is not going to get elected. The dems have a magical ability to choose unelectable candidates. Thanks guys!
Posted by: Johnny 2 Step | August 7, 2008, 7:55 am 7:55 am
Didn’t people try to vote for “change” 2yrs ago? Look at what we have now, a democratic congress that would rather take vacation then try and solve anything. Yeah what a great “change.” Yet, there are still people that believe Obama’s change will be good for America. I am sorry, a socialist is never good for America. He will not help unite party lines, he will cater to his party as much as he can, especially since they are in charge right now. He may say things to persuade you to vote for him, but look at his record, its nothing to brag about. I hope America will open its eyes to the real Obama.
Posted by: Life | August 7, 2008, 7:57 am 7:57 am
wanger says Obama is a “race card player” yet its wanger that brings up race over and over and over again. Who’s the race card player again? I think it’s people like wanger that continue to bring race comments into the blog conversations.
Posted by: dan | August 7, 2008, 7:58 am 7:58 am
So he’s now using the respect of his peers against them…We call that “burning bridges” where I’m from.
Posted by: grr | August 7, 2008, 8:00 am 8:00 am
RE:
Who’s that “Praising McCain?
August 07, 2008 10:04 AM
—————-
AND RE:
mr. bonnet-
I’m writing to express my gratitude to you for putting your letter to
carl sagan on the message board of Wired magazine’s article on the
recent rumors of life or no life on mars. It was an illuminating piece
to say the least – your enlightened perspective of non-dualistic
reality is an inspiring reminder for those of us who’s daily mental
processes could use a good wake u p call. The state of mind your words
evoked is one I usually experience in meditation – where the seer and
the seen, the subject and object, reveal themselves to be one and the
same. Thank you again for offering your keen observation in a format
for the aware and unaware alike to get a glimpse of.
————
TANK YOU FOR WELCOMING ME
————
NEW LETTER TO SENATOR BARACK OBAMA
Laval, August 6, 2008
SENATOR OBAMA
“It is in adversity”, I was going to say in “darkness”, that one recognizes true friends.
Energy of the Sixties tested, confronted by Todays’s Energy crisis, what does Science hold for us in this field at the crossroad of the third millennium?
Each of us should express solidarity, according to his means
My contribution, apparently futuristic, refers, Senator Obama, to an inexhaustible source of energy, which one should tame now.
In a book with limited publication, translated in English for the needs of the cause, entitled “BILL A RI And There Was Light”, addressed during his last American election campaign to President Bill Clinton who acknowledged having received it, I dared to tackle this subject.
It’s like to say to you, Senator Obama, that in the exceptional circumstances in which we lives today – in the point of view of energy – no exploration in the mid or long term, by the american expertise , of an additional source of energy, at the same time safe and profitable, should not be ruled out.
There is no witchcraft at all involved in all that, Mister Obama. In spite of my Haïtian ascent and my carefully phrased remarks. It is undoubtedly so when a taboo should be broken through A taboo of magnitude, Sir, I admit it. A “scientific” taboo, seldom encountered.
” The taboo arises as a negative categorical imperative,” affirms Roger Caillois. It is not saying little. Especially when it is a question of adequately correcting the theory of Newton on light and colors.
However, at the dawn of the twenty first century, to denounce this taboo, to reverse it, should I say, what an asset! Moreover, at the same time the multiple taboos grow blurred which surround another phenomenon of the highest scientific range, the well known phenomenon under the abusive name of “Black Holes”, synthesis of light and colors. Indeed Newton, in good faith undoubtedly in his time, really reversed the interpretation of the phenomenon of light. He took the part for the whole ! So much and so well that today like yesterday, the visible appears so much more tempting. Physicists say it: “ninety to ninety nine percent of the matter of the universe is made up of a dark matter, invisible, which generates, propels and surrounds the visible, like the sea surrounds the continents”. Scientists such as Stephen Hawking affirm it. The Hubble Telescope confirms it. But theoretical Optics is stagnant.
My intervention, here, Senator Obama, would mean that. It is possible to use another form of energy. By decoding the Black Matter.Without a play on words. Theoretically initially. While “returning the elevator to Newton”- without a play on words. By the ACT which consists in making an AMENDMENT TO THE LAW OF NEWTON ON LIGHT AND COLORS.
Presently, why should we take the result instead of the cause?
— Objectively and in a pragmatic way, by a new synthesis.
Consequently, what a liberation !
At the threshold of the third millennium, let light live, invisible by synthesis, visible by analysis !
“Synthesis and analysis are two wings of the same bird, the rythm of the universe`s heartbeat, tamed inside the infinitely small having mass. Successively contracted and deployed. In the benefit of humanity.”
One small step for Man, one giant leap for Mankind – I also said myself – in “BILL A RI and there was light !… ”
Unfortunate, yes, but how much a convenient Energy crisis if I dare say, which invites us to explore other avenues, other concepts and, therefore, other resources so far neglected.
Invitation to go from the invisible to the visible and vice versa. Taking advantage of the sequence of colorless and colored luminous speeds. In order to better understand the Universe. Where Law and Order prevail. Just like in Democracy !
Energetic formula with a unique character !
In the name of Science and Technology, vapor is being reverse !
A winning formula !
In The United States Of America
By The United States Of America
For The United States Of America and abroad !
With you today, Senator Obama, I repeat this sentence – since 1972 and 1978 – that is to say forty years old, but always, in my opinion, carrying the same message that I wish more and more positive for the years to come, in the third millennium, as I said since 1972 and on April 10, 1978, in a Letter to Doctor Carl Sagan:
“On the cosmic scale as on the terrestrial scale, darkness or blackness forms an integral, sine qua non part, of color and light pocess”.
Is it still broad daylight
in the shadow of the black sun?
Yours truly,
Lucien BONNET
Please See:”Bill A Ri And There Was Light !”
In http://www.contact-canadahaiti.ca
Posted by: Lucien BONNET | August 7, 2008, 8:02 am 8:02 am
You can’t support Bush 91% of the time and still be a mavrick!
McCain = Bush.
Posted by: mdw | August 7, 2008, 8:05 am 8:05 am
Okay, Pepper, “McChameleon” is by far the worst and most pathetic use of the “Mc” prefix so far…
What’s next? “McCain? Why, his real name should be McCaineMutinyCharacterCaptainQueeg!”
“McChameleon” actually ranks up there with “Obambi” which is equally ridiculous and bad.
Posted by: Wade | August 7, 2008, 8:05 am 8:05 am
No matter how much he protests, McCain is GWB in every aspect of his policies. Seriously I truly believe that if McCain is elected. his will be the last presidency of the United States. He will continue to destroy the constitution and send our young to war. At some point the American people will have to overthrow the the government. – 200+ years and look at what has happened. Tragic
Posted by: cjr1360 | August 7, 2008, 8:11 am 8:11 am
Obtaining quotes of praise someone said about someone else from years past means what? Things change over time as we all should know. I’m sure there is a treasure trove of comments of praise the U.S. once gave to former friends and allies like – Iraq, Iran, Venezuela to name a few. Hmmm… what would we say about them now?
We’re in the here and the now.
Posted by: souljabwoy | August 7, 2008, 8:12 am 8:12 am
“No matter how much he protests, McCain is GWB in every aspect of his policies. Seriously I truly believe that if McCain is elected. his will be the last presidency of the United States. He will continue to destroy the constitution and send our young to war. At some point the American people will have to overthrow the the government. – 200+ years and look at what has happened. Tragic”
Hi? Did you upgrade to the new ObamaOS 3.0? It makes you sound less paranoid and sound more intelligent.
OBAMAAAAA 0-0-0-0-0-0-0-8!
Posted by: obama 08 | August 7, 2008, 8:14 am 8:14 am
I think it’s interesting to note that before McCain was the Republican nominee, the Democrats loved him – he was praised as a senator who often worked across party lines and cared more about issues than party politics (one of the reasons why conservatives don’t like him). Now that he is the Republican nominee, people seem to overlook his history of working with both parties and lump him in the same category as George Bush (who, coincidently, bad-mouthed him and made nasty insinuations against him during the 2000 primary season).
Posted by: Missy M | August 7, 2008, 8:14 am 8:14 am
McCain is a puppet and his handlers are the neo-cons. Open your eyes!!! We will be at war again if this man wins… The Middle East better start resolving their own problems, such as stop building on disputed land and sit at a table and negotiate…Why are we being held hostage for the Middle East troubles??? Don’t we donate enough of our money? Apartheid is alive in the Middle East and we are the “Ugly American” behind the whole thing. Then we wonder why people hate us…
Posted by: CeeDee | August 7, 2008, 8:15 am 8:15 am
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
I know that some of you don’t like to read long drawn out messages …so here’s the executive summary………
Congress Military
McCain 26 years 22 years
Obama 143 days 0 years
Summary Concluded.
Posted by: Emm | August 7, 2008, 8:15 am 8:15 am
McCain is rallying the conservatives again by showing how much the liberals love him.
Barr ’08
Posted by: Iraq Vet | August 7, 2008, 8:17 am 8:17 am
Who else thinks it’s time to dissolve the electoral college? It’s time the people make their own choice and not leave such an important position up to the discretion of those who are more fortunate or more connected.
Posted by: Liz | August 7, 2008, 8:17 am 8:17 am
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
I know that some of you don’t like to read long drawn out messages …so here’s the executive summary………
Congress Military
McCain 26 years 22 years
Obama 143 days 0 years
Summary Concluded.
Posted by: Emm | August 7, 2008, 8:17 am 8:17 am
Jeff, you are a tool if you think both sides don’t change stances. Are you that naive? If Mccain wants to keep jobs here, why would he vote no on repealing tax subsidy for companies which move US jobs offshore?
Changing your mind is a step toward progression, not recession you retard. Christ, there are too many idiots in the U.S. that feed into this crap. Pull a couple facts off of a web site and you know it all huh?
Posted by: concerned | August 7, 2008, 8:21 am 8:21 am
From Stan:
Al,I respectfully say maybe you need to find out more about the candidates. McCain is and has always been a Maverick. He’ll break from the republicans and stand for what he believes in. He is no Bush.
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Stan, you are right to advise people to really, really study the candidates. It is harder to do that with Obama b/c his voting record is thin. But, if you study what is there and his off moment comments you can learn some things. McCain on the other hand has lots of votes on record. I certainly don’t agree with all of them, but he does at least have a record to examine. One thing that should be noted is that McCain did vote against Bush’s economic plan and Obama voted for it. I am still trying to figure out which way to go. I am a FIERCE Independent …. and quite honestly, I don’t understand why ALL Americans aren’t Independents. Maybe that would help break gridlock in Washington. To my utter disappointment, I find most people vote party not person.
Posted by: Joe | August 7, 2008, 8:22 am 8:22 am
Does Oprah Winfrey have “The Obama Nation” on her book of the month club list.
It is a #1 best seller.
Posted by: wow bum | August 7, 2008, 8:23 am 8:23 am
Al Johnson, your response, “That’s when the truth is spoken, separate from political bias.”
to linda in Carolina:
“Sound bites 5 and 8 years old”
your claim is that back then when Obama, Hillary, and Howard made those comments, made them because they weren’t trying to win an election. But the truth is that they made those comments because back then John McCain’s stand on many issues more closely related to the Democrats’ stand. But he has changed his stand on many of the same issues and now alighns himself almost identically to GW’s administration which we know has been a pathetic failure.
Posted by: Sam | August 7, 2008, 8:24 am 8:24 am
Are you sure that McCain was for aparthied and against MLK? This democrat didn’t know that. I’m voting McCain.
Posted by: v racer | August 7, 2008, 8:25 am 8:25 am
Missy M – McShame turned people against him by the way he is running his campaign. He is running a very nagative compaign that most people don’t like.
Posted by: gl | August 7, 2008, 8:26 am 8:26 am
McCains own people are turning on him.
The Arizona senator is running a barnyard demeaning campaign even comparing Senator Obama to Paris Hilton, lying about Obama’s record of visiting our wounded warriors and lying about Obama playing the “race card.” Denouncing the new Dirty Politics McCain, McCain’s own former strategist, John Weaver said to Newsweek: “Its hard to imagine America responding to ‘small ball’ when we have all these problems.”
McCain is going to lose this election. And the way he loses will take the Republicans down with him.
As a former Republican activist who, as late as 2000, was campaigning for John McCain against Bush, today I am a dedicated supporter of Senator Obama. Yes, I changed my mind. But that isn’t the point. My point here is to ask how the Republicans will define themselves by the means they use to try to define and defeat Obama.
Posted by: beck | August 7, 2008, 8:27 am 8:27 am
Cryos: I saw the town hall meeting on CNN about 3 or 4 weeks ago. Go ahead find it yourself. You would not believe it if you watched it yourself. You will just say the station inserted the words. I am just a normal voter looking for the truth and facts of both before I place my vote. At least I try to get the facts before my mouth runs, unlike you.
Posted by: beck | August 7, 2008, 8:31 am 8:31 am
Some of the comments here have gone a little far afield. Returning to the original article, Kerry tries to get out of his original praise of McCain by saying he has changed. Typical politician. The “change” is that the Democrats are now running against him. Clinton and the other Democrats criticized Obama until he won the nomination – now he is the best thing since sliced bread. Nothing but spin. I would, however, accept their original praise of McCain because they didn’t have an axe to grind at that time.
And politicians wonder why we have such a low opinion of them!
Posted by: MikeS | August 7, 2008, 8:31 am 8:31 am
Obvioulsy just joking. Folks could tell I’m not a democrat. Not enough misspelled words.
Posted by: v racer | August 7, 2008, 8:32 am 8:32 am
Congress Military
John McCain 26 years 22 years years
Barrack Obama 143 years 0 days days
Question: Would you let a Doctor operate on you who has only 143 days of Med School? – - -
Then what qualifies Hussain Obama for the task of running this great nation with same amount of experience.
AMEN!!
Posted by: cocacola_hater08 | August 7, 2008, 8:32 am 8:32 am
Why would thinking Americans vote for either of these clowns???
McCain and Obama say we cannot deport 12 million illegal aliens.
WE DON’T HAVE TO…
1.Restrict all access to housing.
2.Restrict all access to jobs.
Illegal aliens will go back to their home countries the way they came, without government assistance.
QUESTION: Why would an American vote for any politician who could not figure this out for themselves?
THINK ABOUT VOTING LIBERTARIAN.
Posted by: Kuching88 | August 7, 2008, 8:32 am 8:32 am
Just read the article about McCain shills populating the blogs. I wondered what the motivation was for people to spread the republican lies, should have known it was for money. The corruption party spreads itself into every aspect of American life. From now on, if someone defends McBush, it can be assumed they’re being paid.
Posted by: JR | August 7, 2008, 8:33 am 8:33 am
John McCain has never worked a day in his life, the taxpayer has supported him for 48 years, and will continue to work to support him for the rest of his days. Rather a parasite, don’t you think?
Posted by: Stan Neubert | August 7, 2008, 8:35 am 8:35 am
Good ad! I think it’s going to get some points for Mr. McCain! Keep it up, GOP! You got the Dems on the run!
Posted by: jack | August 7, 2008, 8:35 am 8:35 am
Does Oprah Winfrey have “The Obama Nation” on her book of the month club list.
It is a #1 best seller.
Posted by: wow bum | Aug 7, 2008 12:23:39 PM
I have been to Barnes and Nobles three times, called around to all the bookstores, and they can’t keep this book on the shelf! I want a copy, but guess will have to order. Amazon has it on backorder. Must be that folks are tired of Obama and his lies and now are searching for the truth. I heard the book was “lawyered” so all the facts, over 600 references are true. With this book, McCain climbing in the polls and Obama falling, and the onslaught of Hillary and her supporters, doesn’t look good for Obama…and, where is he….on vacation in Hawaii! LOL!
Posted by: Susan | August 7, 2008, 8:39 am 8:39 am
V Racer,
you said “Obvioulsy just joking. Folks could tell I’m not a democrat. Not enough misspelled words.”
everybody mispells, and everybody makes typos, look at your own post. Or do you think thats how to spell obviously is spelled.
Posted by: Sam | August 7, 2008, 8:40 am 8:40 am
McCain is no American Hero. I wish the Viet-congs had kept him over there. He was and still is an American Disaster. He is everything a president should not be. what has he accomplished by himself? Absolutely nothing. He only got as far as he did in the Navy because of his father and grand father. He only got as far as he did in politics because of his wifes money. Give me a break, this guy is the biggest joke(besides Bob Dole)to ever run for President. Nah, He a bigger joke then Bob Dole. ——————-Obama 08
Posted by: jayandersonjr | August 7, 2008, 8:41 am 8:41 am
gl – People have left Obama’s campaign too and Democrats are certainly not united behind him either. Both Obama and McCain are both running negative campaigns – both are typical politicians who say one thing and do the other. The difference between the two is that McCain has a long voting history from which we can get a very accurate picture of his policies. Obama rarely stays in one place more than a few years so it is difficult to gauge his true political agenda (campaign promises are nothing more than campaign promises – they mean nothing). Perhaps if Obama had a few more years in the Senate, the picture would be a little more clear.
Posted by: Missy M | August 7, 2008, 8:44 am 8:44 am
Obama rarely stays in one place more than a few years so it is difficult to gauge his true political agenda (campaign promises are nothing more than campaign promises – they mean nothing). Perhaps if Obama had a few more years in the Senate, the picture would be a little more clear.
Posted by: Missy M | Aug 7, 2008 12:44:06 PM
Good Point!
Posted by: carpe' diem | August 7, 2008, 8:45 am 8:45 am
“Cryos: I saw the town hall meeting on CNN about 3 or 4 weeks ago. Go ahead find it yourself. You would not believe it if you watched it yourself. You will just say the station inserted the words. I am just a normal voter looking for the truth and facts of both before I place my vote. At least I try to get the facts before my mouth runs, unlike you.”
Yeah nice vague reference to make it hard to find. If you’re going to make assertions like that that you claim as fact at least back them up. I would think you’d at this fact to your copy and paste statement.
Posted by: Cryos | August 7, 2008, 8:45 am 8:45 am
“… socialist commie …”? Do you even know what socialism and communism are? Interesting that all I hear from McCain supporters are slams on Obama. Like “Vote for my candidate cause at least he’s not as bad as so and so.”
You”re voting against your own best interest, unless you make millions a year. Other than that, like Bush, McCain will throw you a #300 bone while he and his rich friends rake in millions in tax breaks. They don’t need Social Security, but you won’t get social security. They have health insurance, but you have to pay for your own. They don’t need jobs, but you won’t have a job.
Go ahead vote yourself into poverty. If you’re lame enough to believe the Karl Rove like campaign propaganda you deserve poverty.
Posted by: ThnkingMan | August 7, 2008, 8:46 am 8:46 am
cocacola_hater08 – Why do you think that the number of days a person was actually in the Senate chamber is the only possible measure of his experience to be President? How much time does the President spend in the Senate chamber?
Posted by: jock59801 | August 7, 2008, 8:46 am 8:46 am
Now we see the truth even the democrats like McCain. It’s nice to hear some truth from the left for a change. Keep up the fire Manchu Warriors
Posted by: etxman99 | August 7, 2008, 8:48 am 8:48 am
No surprise; I have been singing John’s praises of experience, record of accomplishments, and trust of the American people for a long time. Given John’s long dedicated service to this Nation in war and peace, it is no surprise the democrats have finally awakened to the fact they have a huge problem in November. And, I am a Hillary Democrat who speaks, but plans now to vote for John.
Posted by: benvictor | August 7, 2008, 8:49 am 8:49 am
we all lose….no matter who wins, so stop calling each other names. this is starting to sound like Romper Room. Maybe we need Miss Maryann….I am appalled that I am from the same country as some of you. You should be ashamed for your stupidity that you show. How many people over 30 left comments, very few, just a bunch of kids who were looking for someone to tell them everything will be ok, it won’t so grow up or shut up.
Posted by: beau abrams | August 7, 2008, 8:49 am 8:49 am
We can argue back and forth, cut each other down, whatever. The fact remains, with this recent insurgence of Hillary and her supporters, this inevitably, will have serious negative consequences on Obama. Its plain to see, that the Democrats are not united this year, and probably wont be. This plays right into the hands of the GOP. Whether its the DNC, Obama, or Hillary, fact remains, there will be no unification. We all should practice saying, “Welcome, President John McCain.”
Posted by: jack | August 7, 2008, 8:50 am 8:50 am
re: obama nation
here is an interesting dissection of some of the points made in the book.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200808020003
also, i was well acquainted with the author in the late 60s and 70s. he lived in massachusetts, voted for mcgovern, and embraced the politics of john kerry. i guess it just goes to show that people really do change.
Posted by: antijake | August 7, 2008, 8:50 am 8:50 am
GJohn,
Obama did not vote “present” over 100 times in the US Senate. He voted present when he was an Illinois state legislator. And as has been explained his reason for doing so is that in Illinois if the legislators do not like a bill as it is written and they get enough “present” votes, they can force the bill back to be rewritten.
Posted by: Sam | August 7, 2008, 8:56 am 8:56 am
Senator Obama now wants to take away the profits to the oil companies that he voted for in 2005 and give it back to families in $1000 checks. He is trying again to buy the election.
And even CNN, who is usually on his side 95% of the time says his economic policy for small and large business is bad in the long term.
Posted by: Martin | August 7, 2008, 8:56 am 8:56 am
I am proudly voting McCain even though i am democrat. McCain is real unlike OBAMA CONIES.
REAL DEMOCRAT PRACTICE DEMOCRACY NOT APPOINT THE NOMINEE AND BHO IS ANOINTED BY DEAN AND OTHER NACHOS.
HILLFAN FOR McCain!
Posted by: hillfany | August 7, 2008, 8:57 am 8:57 am
In the new survey, McCain has tripled his lead on the topic of immigration. He now has a 45% to 36% advantage over his Democratic opponent, up from a three-point lead two weeks ago.
The Republican also has pulled ahead on the issue of balancing the federal budget. Two weeks ago, the candidates were tied on this issue at 40%. McCain now has a 43% to 40% lead on the issue among voters.
McCain used to be behind on the issue of Social Security but has pulled ahead of Obama for a 44% to 38% lead.
On issues that Obama has previously enjoyed huge advantages, such as health care and education, his leads have decreased. On health care, Obama leads 46% to 41%, down from a 12 percentage-point lead just two weeks ago. On education, Obama leads 43% to 39%, down from a 10-point lead two weeks ago. On environmental issues, Obama’s advantage over McCain has gone from 14 percentage points down to eight this week.
Posted by: david from texas | August 7, 2008, 8:57 am 8:57 am
The economy is the top issue for the majority of voters this election season. Voters have consistently trusted the Democratic Party more on this issue, but the two presidential candidates are tied at 45% as to who voters trust more. A week prior, Obama had a statistically insignificant one percentage point lead on the issue.
On national security, an issue that McCain consistently performs well on, the Republican leads 52% to 40%. His lead represents an improvement from the eight-point lead he held the week before.
A poll released this week finds that over half of voters support Obama’s proposal to provide working families with energy credits but aren’t sure about his idea of taxing big oil companies. When asked who voters trust more when it comes to energy issues, voters choose McCain by a 46% to 42% margin.
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Appears that Obama is losing all the way around…and, where is he…vacationing in Hawaii! Way to Go, Obama! Welcome, President McCain!
Posted by: david from texas | August 7, 2008, 8:59 am 8:59 am
Good for Mc Cain! He should use it to his advantage that he has been able to reach accross the political lines. The Dems will raise cain as they should because their opponent has made a BRILLIANT move!
Posted by: michael | August 7, 2008, 9:00 am 9:00 am
I wish we could all get along because honestly we all want the same thing. We want our country to head in the right direction. We all have different views on how. I am a McCain supporter myself. Who to say there is only one to get things better. No matter who wins I will support. Might be a little difficult adjusting my income to cover all the taxes Mr. Obama wants but I’m sure I can do it. I did it with Carter so I know I can now. I hated seeing my tax money going for food stamps and watching babies being born for more income but I will always back my country!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: etxman99 | August 7, 2008, 9:00 am 9:00 am
I realized that when McCain was ridiculing Obama over the air pressure thing, he was ridiculing me too. When gas shot up, the first thing I did was tune up my car and check the tires. I guess McCain thinks I and anyone else that did those sensible things are fools. How many of you posters fall into the same category?
Posted by: PVperson | August 7, 2008, 9:01 am 9:01 am
Hard to offer any praise of Obama when he has so little experience and no record.
The man can’t even finish one term in the U.S. Senate without looking for another job.
What about Obama’s many public statements that he would not be a candidate for President in 2008?
And Obama didn’t even consider serving in the U.S. military.
But, he did manage to stay a member of Reverend Wright’s congregation for over 20 years.
Wright man…wrong job…
Posted by: Jayhawk | August 7, 2008, 9:01 am 9:01 am
Sorry if the Democrats are more positive. We don’t use anger and hate to movivate our voters. We use issues.
Posted by: Reason | August 7, 2008, 9:02 am 9:02 am
Well some of you guy’s are right about Obama not getting elected, because this is a racist country and they will find something crooked to do to keep him from being elected like they did to Al Gore!
Posted by: Jeanette | August 7, 2008, 9:02 am 9:02 am
LOL yet another desparate ad from McCain that doesnt address any issues.
Desperation is a sign of someone who is losing
Posted by: Facts | August 7, 2008, 9:02 am 9:02 am
“You”re voting against your own best interest, unless you make millions a year. Other than that, like Bush, McCain will throw you a #300 bone while he and his rich friends rake in millions in tax breaks.”
It sounds like you are falling prey to class warfare which is a front to enact socialism. FYI not everyone bases their politics on personal gain. A lot of “rich” people earn what they have, work hard, provide jobs and reinvest in the economy. I am not envious, jealous, etc of them but strive to myself get there. Appealing to the lowest common denominator and taxing wealth into non-existence is how a lot of 3rd world countries stay 3rd world indefinitely.
Posted by: Cryos | August 7, 2008, 9:05 am 9:05 am
and yet we still have very little substance coming from John McCain…
just these stupid ads that only do one thing.. and that is make me not want ot vote for John McCain.
I want ot hear about solutions. I want to know how John McCain plans to better distribute the welath of this ocuntry, and return fiscal mihgt back to the workers. I want to hear about healthcare and how he is going ot reduce its costs for EVERYONE.
I want to know how John McCain plans to create alternative energy infrastrucutre and mass transit infrastrucutre.
His advertismements do none of this, and what his ads do do make me not want to vote for him.
Posted by: Pete | August 7, 2008, 9:05 am 9:05 am
The John McCain of August 2008 isn’t even the same person as May 2008. He obviously is not even in charge of his own campaign and his handlers have decided to have him play in the gutter. As opposed to spending time telling America what he wants to accomplish for us, he would rather spend his waking hours complaining and reacting to Senator Obama. It’s a real shame to see what has become of him in his desperation.
Posted by: TSnow27604 | August 7, 2008, 9:13 am 9:13 am
I admire McCain for his past service. Doesn’t mean I want him for President.
Posted by: Brenda | August 7, 2008, 9:14 am 9:14 am
I think McCain is ready to be president. Obama has only been a Senator for what? Two years or so? Since when is a man ready to be CEO of a company when he only has two or so years of experience? At the least, a governor would have more experience since his state government is a microcosm of what the Federal government is. But a Senator of only two years? Do you really think he is ready just because he has charisma? Hugo Chavez has loads of that and look what he is trying to make his country into – another Cuba!
Posted by: Nelson Feliciano
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Nelson, Senator Obama also has eight (8) years experience as a Senator of Illinois.
McCain recently acknowledged the Congress has been BROKEN for the last thirty(30)years and that the Congress has FAILED US during these last thirty (30) years. What McCain is NOT telling us is that HE, JOHN McCAIN was part of that very same Congress for 26 long years (4 years short of the full 30 years! Up to the present time, he has not ever mentioned the Congress was broken and a failure…..it has taken McCain 26 years and becoming a candidate to RECOGNIZE HIS very own Congress is broken and a failure. Very interesting. He HELPED Congress get broken and HELPED MAKE IT A FAILURE! Is John McCain trying to say ONLY he KNOWS BETTER in the entirety of the Congress?? John McCain saying anything, doing anything to distract people from the corrupt, dishonorable, and fraudulant McCain. Look over there, look that way, look the other way, I was INVISIBLE in the Congress the last 26 years so am not a part of the COngress which has been broken for the last 30 years and which has failed the the U.S.A. citizens. WHERE was McCain and WHAT was he doing all those 26 years of “brokenness and failure? Umm, VERY INTERESTING, wouldn’t you agree?
Posted by: NinaK | August 7, 2008, 9:15 am 9:15 am
Al Johnson here are McCain’s flip-flops.
1. Against off-shore drilling, now for it.
2. Against making the Bush tax breaks because he said they disproportionately favored the rich, now he’s for them.
3. Pro affirmative action now against affirmative action.
4. Against Iraq withdrawl timetables, now says that the troups could probably be out in 16 months.
5. For equal pay for women, then said he was against the Ledbetter Equal Pay Bill. He said women just needed better education and traiing.
6. For windfall profit taxes, now against windfall profit taxes.
More at http://www.bi30.org/wordpress/flipflopper.htm
Posted by: ThkMn2 | August 7, 2008, 9:15 am 9:15 am
“”"It sounds like you are falling prey to class warfare which is a front to enact socialism. FYI not everyone bases their politics on personal gain. A lot of “rich” people earn what they have, work hard, provide jobs and reinvest in the economy. I am not envious, jealous, etc of them but strive to myself get there. Appealing to the lowest common denominator and taxing wealth into non-existence is how a lot of 3rd world countries stay 3rd world indefinitely.
“”"
give me a friggin break… there is a complete asault on the middle class and lower classes, and it’s time to change this. We’re not falling prey… we’ve become prey for the wealthy, greedy and selfish.
I work hard, and I am forced to work lots of OT to make ends meet. I have watched them raise my social security age, and my health care costs quadruple in a short period of time. My taxes are up, and my wage has not kept up with inflation or cost of living.
The rich people do not provide jobs anymore, they look for ways to reduce jobs and ship them overseas. Bush gave the wealthy/corps huge tax breaks that were supposed to allow companies to create more high paying jobs… Where are those jobs ???
What is the reason for CEO’s in this country making up to 20,000% more then the average worker for the same company. They reduce these jobs and lay off people or they rip benefits away from workers to better pad their profits for more wealthy wallstreet investors. Do you not understand why many of us have had it and are PO’d. We watch our jobs go over seas, we watch our pay diminish or not increase and we watch our benefits disspaear, while CEO’s bask in irresponisble wealth that only serves their personal gains. If that doesn’t make you angry they you have no Soul at all.
I just want the Ameuircan dream. That is to work until I’m 60 and to know I will be able to live out the rest of my life without much financial strss. As it is right now I’ll be working till the day I’m dead because there is no way I will be able to put away 3 million they say I will need at age 60 to retire and maintain my modest lifestyle. Seriously how does one who can abrely sock away a few hundred a month be able to finance a retirement. And don’t you dare say I don’t work hard or I don’t deserve it.
meanwhile companies are folding up their pension plans and forcing retirees to afford their own medical…. Screw that crap.. i worked my whole life and now I’m being told to accept being ripped off by the wealthy who just keep getting wealthier.
Ya know what I say to you, and anyone who thinks like you. Go buy yourself a gun because I will gladly join a civil war desiged to eliminate you greedy selfish pr_cks who spit on us… c’mon bring it.. I am litterally salivating at the thought of a full blown civil war of us VS: the wealthy… seriously I am that pissed off at the fact that someone has the nerve to say we deserve to be pushed down while the wealthier are allowed to get wealthier. We work and if we don’t you will lose your wealth… therefore we deserve a better percentage of the wealth we are creating for you… DON’T FORGET THAT
Posted by: Pete | August 7, 2008, 9:23 am 9:23 am
McCain 08!
Posted by: david from texas | August 7, 2008, 9:27 am 9:27 am
I’m sick of this flip flopping criticism of both candidates. As situations change, reponses should change also. Offshore drilling maybe isn’t a great idea if oil is under 100 per barrel. And as for former republicans voting for Obama… well I don’t even know how that’s possible unless you never had any grasp on the fundamental beliefs of republicans (the ones that seem to always get tossed out once their elected, like fiscal conservatism). But Obama, he’s so far to the left I don’t know what would appeal to anyone who ever considered themselves a republican.
Posted by: Eric | August 7, 2008, 9:28 am 9:28 am
The partisan rhetoric of Americans…..
What a hoot!
Posted by: DeeJay | August 7, 2008, 9:29 am 9:29 am
All this proves is that Dems are classier than Republicans.
Posted by: ann cordero | August 7, 2008, 9:30 am 9:30 am
obuma is a commie/socialist.
he wants to SPEND 800 MILIION DOLLARS of OUR TAX MONEY to feed the WORLD….
huh?
a former activist/community leader is not an option for our President’s seat….send obuma back to chicago and go back to his buddies AYERS and Rezko.
Posted by: carpenter.nyc | August 7, 2008, 9:31 am 9:31 am
i don’t get the point of this ad. Are we so hyperpartisan that we’re no longer allowed to occasionally praise our political opponents? This is not the WWE Smackdown. I think the American Voter has become deeply stupid and misinformed.
Posted by: marylou | August 7, 2008, 9:32 am 9:32 am
If Carpenter really wants to discuss the “lost years”, check out not only Dubya’s you th but the eight years in the White House. It does not get any worse. No more country club McBushes either in November!
Posted by: Tom in Alabama | August 7, 2008, 9:34 am 9:34 am
Thermal – that’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
Posted by: andy kemp | August 7, 2008, 9:34 am 9:34 am
PUMA is a Republican front organization funded by the GOP. There are very few actual democrats involved.
Posted by: kelly schirmer | August 7, 2008, 9:35 am 9:35 am
Mcain agrees with obama
TROOP WITHDRAWL TIME TABLE
MORE TROOPS NEEDED IN AFGHANISTAN
INFLATING TIRES HELPS WITH GAS MILEAGE
Mcain why dont you just endorse obama as president.
Posted by: angie | August 7, 2008, 9:37 am 9:37 am
McCain has always been respected as a non-partisan, get the job done kind of guy. It’s the Democrats who are doing teh smear job on him.
Posted by: dannib | August 7, 2008, 9:37 am 9:37 am
Gallup came out with a poll today that said that the majority of Americans still think there’s a lot of racism towards blacks. Thank God for that.
Posted by: Thomas S | August 7, 2008, 9:37 am 9:37 am
why can’t mccain have the class to praise his opponents, too? he seems pretty desperate and dishonest to me now.
Posted by: clem burke | August 7, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am
Yeah, but that was the McCain from before. Even the McCain from before wouldn’t support the McCain from today.
Posted by: Paul | August 7, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am
dannib – that’s the old McCain. The new McCain is just another Bush syncophant, which is why he hired one of Karl Rove’s attack dogs to run his negative smear campaign against Obama.
Posted by: ludlow | August 7, 2008, 9:39 am 9:39 am
Tuesday, August 05, 2008
John McCain is now trusted more than Barack Obama on nine out of 14 electoral issues tracked by Rasmussen Reports. The latest national telephone surveys find that McCain has the biggest advantage on the war in Iraq, by a 51% to 39% margin.
Perhaps the most interesting finding of these polls is that McCain has expanded his leads on nearly every issue he had previously had the advantage on, while Obama’s leads have diminished over the past two weeks.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election
WAY TO GO, PRESIDENT MCCAIN!
Posted by: david from texas | August 7, 2008, 9:40 am 9:40 am
dannib: “It’s the Democrats who are doing teh smear job on him.”
I disagree. McCain’s strategy, universally recognized by pundits and not contradicted by the campaign, is to turn this election away from a referendum of Bush and toward a referendum on Obama.
Obama’s strategy has been to introduce himself to a nation just getting to know him. McCain’s strategy has been to alter an alternative definition of Obama.
Maybe its just the position each is in, but common sense tells you the negative stuff is predominantly coming from McCain. And this is something he said he’d never do.
McCain has changed. He’ll do things now to win that he said he wouldn’t do.
Posted by: Paul | August 7, 2008, 9:41 am 9:41 am
The Obama camp should run an ad showing McCain snarling insults at others. It would demonstrate the difference.
Posted by: Javalation | August 7, 2008, 9:41 am 9:41 am
God. The McCain campaign’s negative attacks are a real turn off. I think this kind of sleazy campaigning is going to hurt him in the long run. I know I’m sick of this kind of Karl Rove crap.
Posted by: pinky lou | August 7, 2008, 9:41 am 9:41 am
McCain has changed. He’ll do things now to win that he said he wouldn’t do.
Posted by: Paul | Aug 7, 2008 1:41:07 PM
Much like Obama, huh Paul?
Posted by: Jason | August 7, 2008, 9:43 am 9:43 am
david from texas – so you’re proud that McCain’s lies and smear tactics are working? You should be ashamed of yourself and so should McCain. This country is doomed.
Posted by: Ranger | August 7, 2008, 9:43 am 9:43 am
Pete I am not “rich” by the way so you really need to take a deep breath. I am middle class but work a difficult job to make a good living. There is a balance and I agree that there is too big of a gap between the rich and poor but taxation and regulation will only have a limited effect. Even in a socialist/communist society you have a huge gap between “the working man” and the “elite.”
“I work hard, and I am forced to work lots of OT to make ends meet.”
For one its about working smart not just working hard. Maybe you are already doing this and have bad luck; I don’t know. Here’s an example. I wouldn’t deny that someone that shovels dirt all day works hard but I would assert that whoever invented bulldozers and backhoes was working smart and hard.
“The rich people do not provide jobs anymore, they look for ways to reduce jobs and ship them overseas. Bush gave the wealthy/corps huge tax breaks that were supposed to allow companies to create more high paying jobs… Where are those jobs ???”
Last I checked poor people aren’t providing people many jobs so who is? The corporate tax rate is 35% (2nd highest in the world) and industries like oil even after all tax breaks pay between 30-39% tax. The tax breaks just allow american companies to compete not give them some massive influx of money. You need to advance from 50s mentality and recognize that it is not “corporations versus the people.” Globalism has changed the environment and US companies have to compete with companies from China that use slave labor and poor environmental standards. Both republicans and democrats advanced free trade which is the issue hurting americans more than american companies. If people’s ideals they state in blogs followed through to the cash register american companies could afford to pay better but people’s ideals go out the window for the cheapest product. That’s the reality american companies deal with.
Posted by: Cryos | August 7, 2008, 9:44 am 9:44 am
Jason – if you’re saying Obama’s character is as low as McCain’s (a point to which I don’t agree, but for the sake of argument) then you ought to strike off character as an election issue.
Now, what issues are important to you?
And whatever opinion you have on those issues, I’m sure you can find McCain statements to support, lol.
Posted by: Paul | August 7, 2008, 9:45 am 9:45 am
I see where McCain is definitely gaining ground on Obama quickly and evn surpassing him in a lot of issues. CNN (Obama’s Network) even stated last night that Obama has become “complacent” in this campaign with the “mindset” that he has already won the election. The GOP is not like Hillary…..they will do everything in their power to bring Obama down, and so far, their attack is working. Obama’s campaign is “bleeding” now, and unless Axelrod does something quick, it will be over for Obama, especially now with the Hillary stuff at the forefront and the convention so soon.
Posted by: ObamaSupporter | August 7, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am
I don’t know about McCain being bi-partisan but maybe he’s just bi.
Posted by: Oneida01 | August 7, 2008, 9:49 am 9:49 am
david from texas – so you’re proud that McCain’s lies and smear tactics are working? You should be ashamed of yourself and so should McCain. This country is doomed.
Posted by: Ranger | Aug 7, 2008 1:43:16 PM
I’m just stating the facts, Ranger. I know it’s hard for you to swallow, but face it, Obama is on his way down. No one did this to him, but he himself. When he started flip flopping all over the place, I knew then, he was being swayed by the DNC and Pelosi, and now, he will lose the elecion because of it. Just the facts, sorry,, but you have to face it!
Posted by: david from texas | August 7, 2008, 9:50 am 9:50 am
John McCain and his gang of the McCain Smear Express are digging deep when they have to go back five(5) to ten (10) years to find positive comments from the Dems for McCain. Of major importance is that McCain is NO longer that so-called Maverick. McCain has sold himself and his soul to the devil. He has become a pile of rancid manure that’s not even fit for fertilizer and we can all smell and see his filth–IT is VERY UNPLEASANT! McCain was always a crooked politician and his ROVE Clones are bringing it out in full exhibition in an attempt to smear the BEST of the two candidates.
Posted by: NinaK | August 7, 2008, 9:50 am 9:50 am
Peter…you are exactly right. We don’t have much to choose from here! I am a democrat, and for the 1st time in my voting years will not vote democrat. I wish there was a stronger Republican than McCain…I’m with you…I want a 3rd choice!
Posted by: Tim | August 7, 2008, 9:54 am 9:54 am
Intensified attacks by Republican John McCain on the character of his Democratic opponent have coincided with Barack Obama losing a nine percentage point advantage in a national poll.
Posted by: david from texas | August 7, 2008, 9:55 am 9:55 am
I’ll provide an example of poor people wasting money. When I refer to only thinking of tomorrow I’m not referring to the reality of necessities but wasteful spending.
Think of the number of cars you see out there where the aftermarket rims and stereo system are worth more than the car. Those people are “cool” for a bit but squandered their money for something worthless.
Posted by: Cryos | August 7, 2008, 9:55 am 9:55 am
McCain isn’t the original maverick. The original, I believe, was James Garner, who played the character of the con artist.
McCain isn’t the first; he’s just trying to live the character.
Posted by: Paul | August 7, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am
david from texas – I disagree. there is a very active smear campaign going on against Obama by the GOP. To chalk it up merely to Obama’s alleged flipflops – while completely ignoring McCain’s many flipflops – is absurd and flies in the face of the facts. Again, you ought to be ashamed of yourself.
Posted by: Ranger | August 7, 2008, 9:57 am 9:57 am
Cyros – so you don’t think rich people waste money, too? Guess you don’t know too many rich people.
Posted by: gingertop | August 7, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am
David – well stated. Those dynamics have coincided. What we don’t know is the degree to which one caused the other.
We also saw Obama bump up after securing the nomination, then the race evened out, then Obama bumped up again around the time of the foreign trip, and now is evening out again.
And I’m guessing they’ll bump up and down again after each convention.
Could be just usual campaign cyclic stuff. Or it could be McCain has hurt Obama with the attacks. We really don’t have enough info to know for sure right now.
Posted by: Paul | August 7, 2008, 9:59 am 9:59 am
Hillary says it best! Go for the nomination Hillary! Put this hopeless Obama and his pathetic supporters out of their misery!!!!
Posted by: rob | August 7, 2008, 9:59 am 9:59 am
rob: “Hillary says it best!”
Eh, maybe, but she doesn’t manage the cash as well.
Posted by: Paul | August 7, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am
Again, Ranger….read the facts and suck it up! Obama is toast!
Posted by: david from texas | August 7, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am
cryos – poor and middle class people occasionally start successful companies, too. There’s this thing called “business credit” that allows anyone with a good idea and a willingness to work hard to become a success. Your worship of the rich is kind of creepy and flies in the face of the our best democratic traditions.
Posted by: nicholas | August 7, 2008, 10:02 am 10:02 am
david – a bit premature to be declaring anyone “Toast”
Posted by: Ranger | August 7, 2008, 10:03 am 10:03 am
Obama is a disgrace to our heritage and culture! He continues to try and act “white”. The Rev. Jackson was right in his comments about Obama! Americans, please listen, Obama is not who he says he is! Please…!
Posted by: AfricanAmericans4McCain | Aug 7, 2008 2:00:34
In recent days/weeks, I’ve seen more and more AA’s turning away from Obama. There has to be something here, something America is not seeing. Obama seems more and more hypocritical each and everyday!
Posted by: carpe' diem | August 7, 2008, 10:03 am 10:03 am
AfricanAmerican4McCain – well, he is half white, lol.
Posted by: Paul | August 7, 2008, 10:03 am 10:03 am
carpe’ diem: “In recent days/weeks, I’ve seen more and more AA’s turning away from Obama.”
And you’ve seen this where… on internet message boards?
Posted by: Paul | August 7, 2008, 10:04 am 10:04 am
I think it’s time that the Obama camp go on the offensive as McCain has started it and should be prepared to take it. How about the allegations of his own arrogance and incompitence causing his plane crash or crashes? If that is all it takes to get a medal or become a politician then every troop over Iraq should act like Barney Fife to get such honors. How come his first wife won’t comment on what happened? What about the NY times article about his close relationship with a female lobbyist? What church does he attend that allows for temper tantrums and swearing like a drunken sailor? Obviously he is not Catholic as he believes in DIVORCE. And, He is TOO Old to be president and has shown signs of this on the campaign trail. Why was he embarrassed about the Viagra question? These are just a small sample of what the Obama campaign could bring up if they played dirty Rove politics like McCain which I think they are going to have too.
Posted by: Oneida01 | August 7, 2008, 10:04 am 10:04 am
bhrandon:
You wrote -
Nelson
Mccain has been in senate for 25 years what has he done for our energry war in iraq, jobs, healthcare, education, etc if his 25 years experience of voting NO or barley showing up to vote at all i will take the less experience anyday!!!
If you look up his record, you’re too general to even begin answering your comments, for which I think you’re just repeating what the left has been trying to use as arguments against him. If you do more research, you’ll find that McCain has been against the pork spending that is put in many of those bills – not the very bills themselves. Of this pork spending, both republicans and democrats alike are guilty, for which I am not saying that McCain is the best candidate for the job; I’m saying he is the better of the two.
Brenda:
I think what is interesting is that you choose to associate McCain with all the ills that our Congress has. Don’t you think it is interesting that the Democrats chose to go on vacation rather than vote on an Energy bill when the nation is currently suffering from the high gas prices?
Posted by: Nelson Feliciano | August 7, 2008, 10:06 am 10:06 am
David – you do realize if the race was held today (and assuming the state by state polling is accurate – always dangeroud, I’ll admit), Obama would cruise past 270 electors, right?
But your guy has a lot of time to keep attacking, so we’ll see.
There’s a lot of celebrities he hasn’t yet compared with Obama. I’m predicting Alec Baldwin next, lol. Or Miley Cyrus – she’s too young and plays multiple roles. There’s an attack ad for ya.
Posted by: Paul | August 7, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am
That gap between expectations and reality comes as Democrats enjoy the most favorable political winds since at least 1976. At least eight in ten Americans believe the nation is on the wrong track. The Republican president is historically unpopular. From stunning Democratic gains in party registration to the high levels of economic anxiety, Obama should have a healthy lead by almost every measure. Yet, in poll after poll, Obama conspicuously fails to cross the 50 percent threshold.
ABC News Polling Director Gary Langer asked, “If everything is so good for Barack Obama, why isn’t everything so good for Barack Obama?”
Posted by: david from texas | August 7, 2008, 10:09 am 10:09 am
“Cyros – so you don’t think rich people waste money, too? Guess you don’t know too many rich people.”
Read my posts and you will find I acknowledge this.
“cryos – poor and middle class people occasionally start successful companies, too. Your worship of the rich is kind of creepy and flies in the face of the our best democratic traditions.”
I know that but my point is that there is this demonization that rich people should have everything taken away. Liberals use this class warfare as a means to enact socialism to take things from rich AMERICANS and act like the equally rich and competing foreigners don’t exist while fattening their wallets. I don’t worship rich people but I am realistic enough to acknowledge that rich many times = success not just taking advantage. People need to adjust to globalism and realize its not just americans versus americans anymore.
“Cryos – poor people create markets, rich people exploit them. But jobs are created when there is a need for a specific product and that’s created by a market.”
You have the right to your opinion but I don’t believe in marxist type philosophy that capitalism is bad so I can’t agree. Markets are created by several different means and many “rich” people become rich because they invent the products.
Posted by: Cryos | August 7, 2008, 10:11 am 10:11 am
Nelson Feliciano – in case you missed it, McCain is part of Congress and the Republicans are on vacation, too. Nice try.
Posted by: kelly schirmer | August 7, 2008, 10:11 am 10:11 am
Just ask Gore and Kerry. They know that Obama, too, will implode.
Posted by: r | August 7, 2008, 10:12 am 10:12 am
I’ve got to echo George Bush’s statement today. I’m also VERY pleased that Osama Bin Laden’s driver has been found guilty of being, in fact, Osama Bin Laden’s driver.
Posted by: Redneck n lovin' it | August 7, 2008, 10:12 am 10:12 am
By the way, any sailors in the house? If so, feel free to comment on the following. I just thought about this yesterday.
Among the Services, the one with a perception of having the most elitist officer corps is the Navy; particularly those who are boat schooled (attended the academy).
And the trappings of this elitism are readily apparent on ship. When Marines board a Navy ship, Marine officers are almost always embarrassed by them. For instance, though it differs ship by ship, in many cases enlisted personnel are required to serve officers their meals and even fetch their coffee.
This type of servitude is pretty alien to Marine culture, but at home in the Navy.
And Navy officers have a term for their enlisted personnel – Enlisted Friends. They say it with a snide smile, because the inside joke (one in which only Navy officers think is funny) is the F in friends is universally understood to refer to another word. Seriously. These guys think that’s funny.
Now take a look at John McCain, and how he’s always calling others “my friend.” Kind of makes me wonder. Is this just another juvenile Navy-like tongue-in-cheek joke?
Posted by: Paul | August 7, 2008, 10:12 am 10:12 am
Cryos:
I think you missed it.
The democrats in the House of Representatives left the bill on the floor without a vote.
McCain is a republican in the Senate – NOT the House of Representatives. Good try though!
Posted by: Nelson Feliciano | August 7, 2008, 10:14 am 10:14 am
I’m sick of this flip flopping criticism of both candidates. As situations change, reponses should change also. Offshore drilling maybe isn’t a great idea if oil is under 100 per barrel. And as for former republicans voting for Obama… well I don’t even know how that’s possible unless you never had any grasp on the fundamental beliefs of republicans (the ones that seem to always get tossed out once their elected, like fiscal conservatism). But Obama, he’s so far to the left I don’t know what would appeal to anyone who ever considered themselves a republican.
Posted by: Eric
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Eric, obviously you are VERY pleased with what Bush and the Repubs (including that “wrinkled whited haired dude, John McCain) have done to our beloved country and its citizens during the last seven and 2/3rd years. Why else would anyone back a republican for President? Tell me, how can McCain undo the great damage he helped create and to which he contributed in spades while spending 26 years out of the 30 years in the Congress which he NOW adamantly says is broken and whi has failed us the last 30 years?? McCain voted for 99% of the policies and bills in LOCKSTEP with the current president and with his Repubublican peers. Please do not forget that the Republican President and the Republican Congress were in charge of our country for SIX of the LAST EIGHT years. They passed hundreds upon hundreds of bills which have affected us negatively. It was, for the most part, the Repubs to got us into the Iraq War! We, the people, are fihting TWO wars, we are fighting recession, we are fighting home foreclosures, we are fighting high gas prices while the oil companies are lining their coffers from those high prices; we are fighting to put food on our tables. What cost me $80 two weeks ago now cost me $125.00 for the same items! You cannot buy a good T-Bone steak for less than $15.00 to $18.00 each! Sure you can buy a sliver-thin T-Bone for $9.00 to $12.00. Potroasts that you could by for $6.00 to $10.00 are now $15 to $22.00. Since pork is the least expensive, that is what I buy. Chicken too has risen in price! Do are salaries go up at the same rate as the cost of living? Absolutely not, so we are always BEHIND and getting further behind. Yes, The current administration and the Rublicans are responsible for all of these things. They were too busy taking care of rebuilding Iraq at OUR expense while IRAQ has been busy putting BILLIONS of OIL money in their coffers in banks here in the U.S. The Republicans have gone along with this atrocity and it is hurting us, the people, and our country! Time to boot the Repubs out of our leadership and Congress, and that includes the corrupt and lieing McCain.
Posted by: NinaK | August 7, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am
Just ask Gore and Kerry. They know that Obama, too, will implode.
Posted by: r | Aug 7, 2008 2:12:13 PM
I totally agree! The writing is on the wall, so to speak! Especially now, after Obama’s continued flip-flopping, and Hillarys ressurrection, doesnt look good for Obama! And, where is he…in Hawaii vacationing! I’m glad, we don’t want him on the mainland….maybe he and Michelle will stay in Hawaii!
Posted by: Jane Hussein Obama | August 7, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am
Its apparent that the Obama media craze is shrinking and Americans are coming b ack to their senses. American’s will not let Obama become POTUS!
Posted by: david from texas | August 7, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am
JED – World Net Daily are a bunch of rightwing crazies with no journalistic credibility whatsoever.
Posted by: silinger | August 7, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am
The only thing that’s apparent is that David is counting his chickens long before they’re hatched. Obama is still WAAAAY ahead in the electoral delegate count.
Posted by: silinger | August 7, 2008, 10:23 am 10:23 am
Who wants a candidate for president who tells the world he wants and has encouraged, his wife, Cindi, to compete in the Buffalo Chip Beauty Contest? A contest where the contestants wear minibikinis that barely cover their private areas?? A contest where the contestants actually simulate sex?? Poor Cindi, McCain has demoralized her in pubic AGAIN! Next thing we know, he’ll be wanting her to compete in the mud fights for women, where they again don minibikinis. No candidate in his right mind would encourage their wives to participate in such contests! That is, except of McCain!! He shows very little respect, if any, for Cindi and women as a whole. Do you really want this chauvinist pig as our leader?
Posted by: NinaK | August 7, 2008, 10:24 am 10:24 am
Is John McSame the first cousin of the first man – Adam’s oldest son?
OBAMA 08 – DON’T BE FOOLED BY JOHN MCSAME!
Posted by: Lawrence | August 7, 2008, 10:25 am 10:25 am
al4mcattack – nice try, but you do understand that it’s entirely possible to respect an individual while opposing his policies. Or are you Republicans so far gone in your rabid partisanship that you’ve forgotten basic notions of civility and comity in politics?
Posted by: silinger | August 7, 2008, 10:29 am 10:29 am
Nina – McCain has a track record of disrespecting women that go way back before he offered up his wife for this softcore porno contest.
Posted by: Paul | August 7, 2008, 10:30 am 10:30 am
I wonder what happens when people do start paying attention, and realize things like there actually is an Obama energy plan.
Will they think, “Why would the straight talk guy feel he needs to lie?”
Posted by: Paul | August 7, 2008, 10:32 am 10:32 am
That’s a good question for David. Why does your guy feel the need to lie about Obama’s proposals?
You’re an intelligent guy from what I’ve seen on these boards. You know the line about properly inflating tires wasn’t part of Obama’s energy plan.
I can understand you disagreeing with Obama’s plan in part or in full, but you can’t be comfortable supporting a candidate who lies about what that plan is.
Posted by: Paul | August 7, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am
“Cryos:
I think you missed it.
The democrats in the House of Representatives left the bill on the floor without a vote.”
I think you are addressing the wrong post since I don’t know what you are talking about. I never thought McCain is in the house of representatives.
Posted by: Cryos | August 7, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am
I am glad Obama is on vacation so that McShame can have the media all to himseft to make many more goofs as usually. I guest McShame will be touting Obama for being on vactation. McShame is very obesses with Obama.
Posted by: gl | August 7, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am
of course the dems will all deny it now to save their party, but it is clear McCain is a well respected and admired politician
Posted by: Tyler | August 7, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am
Tyler – the Dems never claimed otherwise. We have respected McCain on a personal level for years, we just don’t agree with his policies. If only the Republicans could be as classy…
Posted by: Nina | August 7, 2008, 10:37 am 10:37 am
why are Republicans acting surprised that their political opponents can actually act decently and respectfully towards them? I think the GOP is so far around the bend with their rabid partisanship that they’ve forgotten what civility looks like. So sad.
Posted by: Tom in Brooklyn | August 7, 2008, 10:39 am 10:39 am
Tyler: “…it is clear McCain is a well respected and admired politician.”
That’s the conventional wisdom, and a big part of why the media couldn’t deal with his many ignorant statements. But in the last couple months, he’s lost that benefit of the doubt, with the media and with those voters who are paying attention now.
The question is what happens when more voters start paying attention.
Posted by: Paul | August 7, 2008, 10:40 am 10:40 am
This ad is like a freudian slip from the McCain camp – only a campaign that forgot what basic respect and civility is would air such a silly ad. Too funny. McCain just shot himself in the foot with this one.
Posted by: chim chim | August 7, 2008, 10:41 am 10:41 am
“If you truly care about the free market and capitalism, then you need to understand that graduated taxes for the wealthy are a necessary evil. ”
Of course. This already happens. Obamas plans do not benefit the middle class. Liberals recent plans always involve giving money to the “poor” and mostly do not benefit the middle class since “they make too much money to qualify.” A lot of liberal taxation and entitlement programs do not in any way benefit the middle class they benefit people who work dead end jobs and do not have an education. If you’re a single mom working at a gas station making $10 an hour you can receive the equivalent of someone making between $50-70K a year or more. How does this benefit the middle class?
Posted by: Cryos | August 7, 2008, 10:41 am 10:41 am
Tell John Kerry that the only significant change John McCain has made is that he wasn’t running for president 4 years ago and now he is. Frankly, if Bush had listed to McCain instead of Ashecroft and Rumsfeld, we’d probably be out of Iraq by now.
Posted by: Brian Levine | August 7, 2008, 10:45 am 10:45 am
Nelson, hate to but in here, but Cryos is right. McCain is a member of Congress – which refers to both the Senate and the House of Representatives.
Posted by: chim chim | August 7, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am
Nothing wrong with what I put up…taking it down is wrong. Your nothers should be proud of you!!
Posted by: Jed | August 7, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am
“Eric, obviously you are VERY pleased with what Bush and the Repubs (including that “wrinkled whited haired dude, John McCain) have done to our beloved country and its citizens during the last seven and 2/3rd years. Why else would anyone back a republican for President?”
Hmmm it seems to me the economy has only conveniently crashed during an election year and since democrats got control of congress. Blaming the problems solely on one political party is disingenuous so I’m not going to try to say it is solely democrats fault either.
No one has tried to refute my earlier post regarding the fact that the industries behind the problems in the economy since the 90s have been contributing primarily to democrats not republicans. This includes currently the real estate and financial companies contributing heavily to Obama and in the 90s the tech firms and dot coms contributing to Clinton and democrats. I find that interesting.
Posted by: Cryos | August 7, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am
Brian Levine – actually McCain recently changed a number of his once-Maverick positions to be more in line with Bush administration policies – offshore drilling, torture, executive privelege, etc. McCain is more like Bush now than when Bush was actually popular.
Posted by: nancy b. | August 7, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am
Ah I didn’t post here. Here is a post from another thread.
would assert this statement excludes things like the dot com bubble and tech crashes that as well as a lot of fishy things that happened during Clinton’s term such as the Serbian bombing of civilian targers, waco, chinese technology transfer, major chinese campaign contributors, mysterious deaths for a lot of people involved with shady deals, etc. Here are a couple example links.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_campaign_finance_controversy
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/05/22/china.money/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/missile/keystories.htm
For the people claiming republicans are the party of special interests and industry money I find this interesting silicon valley including bill gates were huge contributors to clinton and democrats. Bill Gates became the richest man in the world during Clinton’s presidency and the dot com and then tech industries crashed. Some of the biggest bundlers to Obama’s campaign are from financial investment firms and real estate the 2 industries crashing the economy now. Amazing how the republicans are supposed to be the guilty ones yet democrats are the ones getting the most money from the industries responsible for the economic bubbles and collapses since the 90s.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/06/us/politics/06bundlers.html?bl&ex=1218168000&en=13e70dd4b3a5f45b&ei=5087
Posted by: Cryos | August 7, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am
Does anyone pay any attention to these ads? The main purpose of them is to keep one’s name before the public. The content is usually unimportant.
Posted by: Dennis | August 7, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am
Cryos – I’ll dispute that point easily. You left out Enron and Haliburton, and their respective industries, who have been a HUGE part of the problems affecting our economy and their campaign contributions have been overwhelmingly going towards the GOP. Nice try.
Posted by: cam | August 7, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am
Only a gutless, lying hack would accuse McCain of adopting anyone’s position on torture.
Posted by: r | August 7, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am
Obama wouldn’t know an issue if the telepromter hit him in the face. I am a life long dem and cannot believe that people are supporting such a loser like Obama. I am not a big fan of McCain, but I am currently left with no choice but to vote for him.
Posted by: David, ny | August 7, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am
Um, Cryos? In case you missed it, Silicon Valley and the tech industry is actually resurgent. You’re a day late and a dollar short with that rant. Try to keep up, okay?
Posted by: Nina | August 7, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am
Well, Dennis, then why are McCain’s ads focused on Obama? If what you said is true, it wouldn’t make sense to launch attack ads – you’d want to keep only your name in front of the public.
Posted by: Paul | August 7, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am
david, ny – no you aren’t. stop lying.
Posted by: brewmeister | August 7, 2008, 10:53 am 10:53 am
“you’re a racist, blah, blah, blah”
*yawn* This excuse is so tiring. Nobody feels sorry for this dumb candidate. Try something else.
Posted by: missticklt | August 7, 2008, 10:54 am 10:54 am
Six weeks ago, Rudy Giuliani warned Glenn Beck that, “in essence, we have China drilling for American oil,” just off the coast of Florida. It was a line conservatives used for weeks — the ghastly specter of China drilling for oil “45 miles from the Florida keys,” “closer to the United States” than American companies — as justification for opening up new offshore areas to American drilling.
The claim, however, was proved completely and utterly false, and leading conservatives declared the myth no longer a “talking point.” Undeterred, Giuliani hid behind the future tense this morning on Fox and Friends, warning that “the Chinese are going to be able to drill off the shore of Florida” some day in the imagined future:
The Chinese are going to be able to drill off the shore of Florida, in an area where America can’t drill. We’ve prohibited ourselves from drilling. This is absurd, isn’t it? … How can you be against offshore drilling when the Chinese are going to drill off the shore of Florida? Do you think they’re going to be more environmentally sound than we would be? I mean, this makes no sense.
Watch it:
In June, University of Miami’s Jorge Piñon, an expert in oil exploration in the Gulf of Mexico, tamped down on the original rumor: “China is not drilling in Cuba’s Gulf of Mexico waters, period,” he said. Nor, he said, does it have plans to do so in the future:
China’s Sinopec oil company does have an agreement with the Cuban government, but it’s to develop onshore resources west of Havana, Pinon said. The Chinese have done some seismic testing, he said, but no drilling, and nothing offshore.
Someone should tell Giuliani that simply switching verb tenses doesn’t make a former “urban legend” suddenly true.
Posted by: BlueJersey | August 7, 2008, 10:58 am 10:58 am
r – you can call me all the names you want, but McCain did, in fact flipflop on his opposition of torture.
Check his voting record on H.R.2082:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00022
Posted by: brewmeister | August 7, 2008, 10:59 am 10:59 am
missticklt – sorry if racism bores you so much. But to some people, it’s still very disturbing. I hope I never become as jaded as you are.
Posted by: Nina | August 7, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am
brew – what hasn’t McCain flip flopped on?
Posted by: Paul | August 7, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am
“You left out Enron and Haliburton, and their respective industries, who have been a HUGE part of the problems affecting our economy and their campaign contributions have been overwhelmingly going towards the GOP. Nice try.”
Explain to me again how american companies in the oil industry are responsible again since they only represent a fraction of reserves? Foreign nationalized oil companies are sitting on 94% of world reserves. American companies buy a lot of oil off the world market so are bigger consumers than producers so american companies are not the bad guys in that industry. However liberals like to limit their attacks to american companies and ignore foreign competition while they fatten their wallets by hamstringing american companies. FYI there is this thing called a global market. “Big auto” was last until they went under now it is Big Oil.
Posted by: Cryos | August 7, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am
Enron I don’t disagree with. There were a lot of shady practices going on and they contributed to republicans so contributed to economic issues early in 2000-2002 but the current issue of energy is a matter of supply. Who is it again that hasn’t allowed drilling, refineries or nuclear within the last 30 years?
Posted by: Cryos | August 7, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am
Al – here’s a complete list of McCain flipflops broken down by category:
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/flipflops
National Security Policy
1. McCain thought Bush’s warrantless-wiretap program circumvented the law; now he believes the opposite.
2. McCain insisted that everyone, even “terrible killers,” “the worst kind of scum of humanity,” and detainees at Guantanamo Bay, “deserve to have some adjudication of their cases,” even if that means “releasing some of them.” McCain now believes the opposite.
3. He opposed indefinite detention of terrorist suspects. When the Supreme Court reached the same conclusion, he called it “one of the worst decisions in the history of this country.”
4. In February 2008, McCain reversed course on prohibiting waterboarding.
5. McCain was for closing the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay before he was against it.
6. When Barack Obama talked about going after terrorists in Pakistani mountains with predators, McCain criticized him for it. He’s since come to the opposite conclusion.
Foreign Policy
7. McCain was for kicking Russia out of the G8 before he was against it. Now, he’s for it again.
8. McCain supported moving “towards normalization of relations” with Cuba. Now he believes the opposite.
9. McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Hamas. Now he believes the opposite.
10. McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Syria. Now he believes the opposite.
11. McCain is both for and against a “rogue state rollback” as a focus of his foreign policy vision.
12. McCain used to champion the Law of the Sea convention, even volunteering to testify on the treaty’s behalf before a Senate committee. Now he opposes it.
13. McCain was against divestment from South Africa before he was for it.
Military Policy
14. McCain recently claimed that he was the “greatest critic” of Rumsfeld’s failed Iraq policy. In December 2003, McCain praised the same strategy as “a mission accomplished.” In March 2004, he said, “I’m confident we’re on the right course.” In December 2005, he said, “Overall, I think a year from now, we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course.”
15. McCain has changed his mind about a long-term U.S. military presence in Iraq on multiple occasions, concluding, on multiple occasions, that a Korea-like presence is both a good and a bad idea.
16. McCain was against additional U.S. forces in Afghanistan before he was for it.
17. McCain said before the war in Iraq, “We will win this conflict. We will win it easily.” Four years later, McCain said he knew all along that the war in Iraq war was “probably going to be long and hard and tough.”
18. McCain has repeatedly said it’s a dangerous mistake to tell the “enemy” when U.S. troops would be out of Iraq. In May, McCain announced that most American troops would be home from Iraq by 2013.
19. McCain was against expanding the GI Bill before he was for it.
20. McCain staunchly opposed Obama’s Iraq withdrawal timetable, and even blasted Mitt Romney for having referenced the word during the GOP primaries. In July, after Iraqi officials endorsed Obama’s policy, McCain said a 16-month calendar sounds like “a pretty good timetable.”
Domestic Policy
21. McCain defended “privatizing” Social Security. Now he says he’s against privatization (though he actually still supports it.)
22. On Social Security, McCain said he would not, under any circumstances, raise taxes. Soon after, asked about a possible increase in the payroll tax, McCain said there’s “nothing that’s off the table.”
23. McCain wanted to change the Republican Party platform to protect abortion rights in cases of rape and incest. Now he doesn’t.
24. McCain supported storing spent nuclear fuel at Yucca Mountain in Nevada. Now he believes the opposite.
25. He argued the NRA should not have a role in the Republican Party’s policy making. Now he believes the opposite.
26. In 1998, he championed raising cigarette taxes to fund programs to cut underage smoking, insisting that it would prevent illnesses and provide resources for public health programs. Now, McCain opposes a $0.61-per-pack tax increase, won’t commit to supporting a regulation bill he’s co-sponsoring, and has hired Philip Morris’ former lobbyist as his senior campaign adviser.
27. McCain is both for and against earmarks for Arizona.
28. McCain’s first mortgage plan was premised on the notion that homeowners facing foreclosure shouldn’t be “rewarded” for acting “irresponsibly.” His second mortgage plan took largely the opposite position.
29. McCain went from saying gay marriage should be allowed, to saying gay marriage shouldn’t be allowed.
30. McCain opposed a holiday to honor Martin Luther King, Jr., before he supported it.
31. McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he’s pro-ethanol.
32. McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.
33. In 2005, McCain endorsed intelligent design creationism, a year later he said the opposite, and a few months after that, he was both for and against creationism at the same time.
34. And on gay adoption, McCain initially said he’d rather let orphans go without families, then his campaign reversed course, and soon after, McCain reversed back.
35. In the Senate, McCain opposed a variety of measures on equal pay for women, and endorsed the Supreme Court’s Ledbetter decision. In July, however, McCain said, “I’m committed to making sure that there’s equal pay for equal work. That … is my record and you can count on it.”
36. McCain was against fully funding the No Child Left Behind Act before he was for it.
37. McCain was for affirmative action before he was against it.
Economic Policy
38. McCain was against Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy before he was for them.
39. John McCain initially argued that economics is not an area of expertise for him, saying, “I’m going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues; I still need to be educated,” and “The issue of economics is not something I’ve understood as well as I should.” He now falsely denies ever having made these remarks and insists that he has a “very strong” understanding of economics.
40. McCain vowed, if elected, to balance the federal budget by the end of his first term. Soon after, he decided he would no longer even try to reach that goal. And soon after that, McCain abandoned his second position and went back to his first.
41. McCain said in 2005 that he opposed the tax cuts because they were “too tilted to the wealthy.” By 2007, he denied ever having said this, and falsely argued that he opposed the cuts because of increased government spending.
42. McCain thought the estate tax was perfectly fair. Now he believes the opposite.
43. McCain pledged in February 2008 that he would not, under any circumstances, raise taxes. Specifically, McCain was asked if he is a “‘read my lips’ candidate, no new taxes, no matter what?” referring to George H.W. Bush’s 1988 pledge. “No new taxes,” McCain responded. Two weeks later, McCain said, “I’m not making a ‘read my lips’ statement, in that I will not raise taxes.”
44. McCain has changed his entire economic worldview on multiple occasions.
45. McCain believes Americans are both better and worse off economically than they were before Bush took office.
Energy Policy
46. McCain supported the moratorium on coastal drilling ; now he’s against it.
47. McCain recently announced his strong opposition to a windfall-tax on oil company profits. Three weeks earlier, he was perfectly comfortable with the idea.
48. McCain endorsed a cap-and-trade policy with a mandatory emissions cap. In mid-June, McCain announced he wants the caps to voluntary.
49. McCain explained his belief that a temporary suspension of the federal gas tax would provide an immediate economic stimulus. Shortly thereafter, he argued the exact opposite.
50. McCain supported the Lieberman/Warner legislation to combat global warming. Now he doesn’t.
51. McCain was for national auto emissions standards before he was against them.
Immigration Policy
52. McCain was a co-sponsor of the DREAM Act, which would grant legal status to illegal immigrants’ kids who graduate from high school. In 2007, he announced his opposition to the bill. In 2008, McCain switched back.
53. On immigration policy in general, McCain announced in February 2008 that he would vote against his own bill.
54. In April, McCain promised voters that he would secure the borders “before proceeding to other reform measures.” Two months later, he abandoned his public pledge, pretended that he’d never made the promise in the first place, and vowed that a comprehensive immigration reform policy has always been, and would always be, his “top priority.”
Judicial Policy and the Rule of Law
55. McCain said he would “not impose a litmus test on any nominee.” He used to promise the opposite.
56. McCain’s position was that the telecoms should be forced to explain their role in the administration’s warrantless surveillance program as a condition for retroactive immunity. He used to believe the opposite.
57. McCain went from saying he would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade to saying the exact opposite.
58 In June, McCain rejected the idea of a trial for Osama bin Laden, and thought Obama’s reference to Nuremberg was a misread of history. A month later, McCain argued the exact opposite position.
Campaign, Ethics, and Lobbying Reform
59. McCain supported his own lobbying-reform legislation from 1997. Now he doesn’t.
60. In 2006, McCain sponsored legislation to require grassroots lobbying coalitions to reveal their financial donors. In 2007, after receiving “feedback” on the proposal, McCain told far-right activist groups that he opposes his own measure.
61. McCain supported a campaign-finance bill, which bore his name, on strengthening the public-financing system. In June 2007, he abandoned his own legislation.
62. In May 2008, McCain approved a ban on lobbyists working for his campaign. In July 2008, his campaign reversed course and said lobbyists could work for his campaign.
Politics and Associations
63. McCain wanted political support from radical televangelist John Hagee. Now he doesn’t. (He also believes his endorsement from Hagee was both a good and bad idea.)
64. McCain wanted political support from radical televangelist Rod Parsley. Now he doesn’t.
65. McCain says he considered and did not consider joining John Kerry’s Democratic ticket in 2004.
66. McCain is both for and against attacking Barack Obama over his former pastor at his former church.
67. McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as “an agent of intolerance” in 2002, but then decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans “deserved” the 9/11 attacks.
68. In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending “dirty money” to help finance Bush’s presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.
69. McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.
70. McCain decided in 2000 that he didn’t want anything to do with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, believing he “would taint the image of the ‘Straight Talk Express.’” Kissinger is now the Honorary Co-Chair for his presidential campaign in New York.
71. McCain believed powerful right-wing activist/lobbyist Grover Norquist was “corrupt, a shill for dictators, and (with just a dose of sarcasm) Jack Abramoff’s gay lover.” McCain now considers Norquist a key political ally.
72. McCain was for presidential candidates giving speeches in foreign countries before he was against it.
Any questions?
Posted by: leo fuld | August 7, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am
Cryos – The American people didn’t allow it – Republicans AND Democrats. Nice try.
Posted by: leo fuld | August 7, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am
“Um, Cryos? In case you missed it, Silicon Valley and the tech industry is actually resurgent. You’re a day late and a dollar short with that rant. Try to keep up, okay?”
Ah so by this logic it is ok to crash an economy as long as you continue growth in the long run?
“Cryos – I’ll dispute that point easily. You left out Enron and Haliburton, and their respective industries, who have been a HUGE part of the problems affecting our economy and their campaign contributions have been overwhelmingly going towards the GOP. Nice try.”
So what is your answer to the other industries and democratic contributions? American oil companies are a drop in the bucket so cannot be blamed for gas prices. The other industry causing economic problems is real estate/financial lenders so how is it that Enron and Haliburton invalidates those facts?
Posted by: Cryos | August 7, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am
From Stan:
Al,I respectfully say maybe you need to find out more about the candidates. McCain is and has always been a Maverick. He’ll break from the republicans and stand for what he believes in. He is no Bush.
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Stan, you are right to advise people to really, really study the candidates. It is harder to do that with Obama b/c his voting record is thin. But, if you study what is there and his off moment comments you can learn some things. McCain on the other hand has lots of votes on record. I certainly don’t agree with all of them, but he does at least have a record to examine. One thing that should be noted is that McCain did vote against Bush’s economic plan and Obama voted for it. I am still trying to figure out which way to go. I am a FIERCE Independent …. and quite honestly, I don’t understand why ALL Americans aren’t Independents. Maybe that would help break gridlock in Washington. To my utter disappointment, I find most people vote party not person.
Posted by: Joe
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Joe, if you made the effort to check Senator Obama’s legislative records while in the U.S. Senate, you will fin he has authored, co-authored, sponsored, and co-sponsored hundres of Bills, he co-authored a couple of bills with Republican senators and they have become law. Several Obama legislations have also become law. For teh two years he has been in the senate he has worked on over 2,000 bills. He also did a lot while in the Illinois senate. It is clear you have not tried, not have you had the inclination to inform yourself….it is much easier to be dumb and throw crapola toward someone you know nothing about except what McCain tells you. McCain has gotten down and dirty. Believe me, all his lies, distortions, and ugliness will catch up to him sooner or later, I am betting “sooner”. Ilove how Paris Hilton refered to him as “that wrinkled old white-haired dude” How appropriate. He is not only that wrinkled old white-haired dude, he is also suffering from dementia, know little of foreign countries, including not knowing which country Pakistan borders!! Isn’t he an expert on the middle east?? He does not know the difference among the Shia, Sunis, and Shites. He thinks Iran is arming Alqaida in Iraq, when in fact it is the militants Iran is arming. (Libermann had to correct him on both of these issues!!). McCain thinks Putin is the president of Germany! McCain thinks Chechoslovakia still exists, when it does not–it split into The Chech Republic and Slovakia, TWO distinct countries. But he wants to help Chechoslovakia!! He thinks Austria and Australia are one and the same country. Folks, these are pretty serious misconceptions by McCain! Overlooking these huge errors does not hide the fact the man has mental issues. Recently he is no longer TRYING to read from a teleprmpter; he is reading word for word from the script given to him by Mr. ROVE CLONE. McCain has no real ideas, he is merely parroting what Mr. ROVE CLONE WANTS McCAIN TO ‘READ’. AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT McCAIN IS DOING. Don’t believe me, watch his next townhall speech.
Posted by: NinaK | August 7, 2008, 11:12 am 11:12 am
cryos – actually, yes. that’s how markets work. they’re cyclical and recessions are inevitable. Duh.
Posted by: chim chim | August 7, 2008, 11:12 am 11:12 am
5-10 year old quotes —
Hillary’s quote was from the primaries “THIS YEAR”!!
Kerry wanted McCain to be his VP in 2004.
And so what if some are from 3-4 years ago….. they still said good things about McCain.
Posted by: Mary | August 7, 2008, 11:12 am 11:12 am
A new question has surfaced this morning surrounding the bundling activity of Harry Sargeant, the Florida Republican who has raised more than $500,000 for the presidential campaign of Sen. John McCain — was it legal for his foreign co-worker to solicit political contributions? (emphasis mine)
The Post first reported on Sargeant’s efforts on behalf of McCain and other political candidates earlier this week. McCain’s campaign has credited Sargeant for collecting dozens of $2,300 and $4,600 checks, many of them from ordinary families in California. The manager of several Taco Bell restaurants, an auto mechanic, and the one-time owners of a liquor store all wrote big checks, even though many were not registered to vote.
Sargeant told The New York Times this morning that he at times left the task of collecting the checks to a longtime business partner, Mustafa Abu Naba’a. The problem with that is that Abu Naba’a is not an American citizen. According to court records, Abu Naba’a is a dual citizen of Jordan and the Dominican Republic.
Posted by: BlueJersey | August 7, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am
Yes both sides have not lifted the moratorium but lets see which party has a 85-90% record of voting for those issues versus the party who has a 90% record of voting against the issues?
Which party in 2003 lobbied hard for drilling in ANWAR as well as previous attempts to drill? To act like both parties equally stopped attempts for nuclear and drilling is a pathetic attempt at an answer. And if drilling will not lower oil prices how is it again when Bush announced dropping the moratorium oil prices dropped?
So I would still like to hear an answer other than pointing at other industries, deflection, changing the subject, quick dismissals, etc how republicans are solely at fault for the economic problems when all but the energy issues early in the 2000s with Enron (contributing to republicans) have been heavy contributors to democrats?
Posted by: Cryos | August 7, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am
The Democrats came out with an ad using McCain’s words of 5 years ago against him, so why shouldn’t he use Democrat’s words of 5 years ago if it helps him. Fair is fair….the Democrats can’t use a maneuver, and then fault their opponent for doing the same thing. As far as Kerry goes, he should just be quiet..he isn’t helping his candidate at all. The arrogance of both Obama and Kerry are their Achille’s heel, it gets really old after a while and they both just come off as phonies.
Posted by: dwc | August 7, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am
In this AD, McCain is proving that Democrats, do, IN FACT, reach across the aisle!! Isn’t this wonderful?? Thank you, John McCaine! We KNOW the Democrats are more cooperative than teh Repubs!! Thank you for pointing it out to us again tho.
Posted by: NinaK | August 7, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am
brewmeister: yeah I am and feel that if the press had really done their job Obama wouldn’t have been given the nomination. I do like Hillary, but I also liked many of the other dems, just not Obama. McCain is more of a dem than a rep. Obama, Howard Dean and Pelosi are ruining the party.
Posted by: David, ny | August 7, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am
I love how the same people who throw all these attacks at republicans “in the pocket of big oil” make excuses like “duh the economy is cyclical” when the money points directly to democrats.
By extending your logic you are not upset with mortgage prices, gas prices, etc since they are cyclical which means republicans are at fault so why are you whining about the economy again? Ah that’s right hypocrisy it only matters on issues where you can point to republican money.
Posted by: Cryos | August 7, 2008, 11:16 am 11:16 am
Cryos – thanks for admitting that the Republicans were also responsible for blocking offshore drilling.
Posted by: Mallory | August 7, 2008, 11:17 am 11:17 am
Cryos – I like how you try to use the business cycle to bolster your silly partisan attacks, and then whine when others use the same tactics against you. Stop being such a hypocrite. You just make yourself look foolish and whiny.
Posted by: kimbers | August 7, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am
So, according to Cryos, everything the Dems do is BAD but it’s okay when Republicans do the exact same thing? Classic. Your partisanship is too funny!
Posted by: justrightoo | August 7, 2008, 11:19 am 11:19 am
David – I feel the same way about Bush. If the press had really done their job, he never would have been nominated.
Posted by: justrightoo | August 7, 2008, 11:20 am 11:20 am
What short memories you folks have! McCain has always been viewed as the most liberal, logical, loveable Republican of all time! When G.W Bush trashed him out- and pulled his filthy tricks to win the Primaries of 2000,(The original swiftboating!)Everyone shook their heads in disgust- Back then McCain was well known for his proven decency and love for his Country! I guess Everyone seems to forget how John Kerry himself was the one praising McCain to the High heavens in 2004 -when he was running for President and LOST! The biggest News Story of that Time was “John Kerry” meeting up with and considering asking “John McCain” to be his runnig mate! I think McCain had a national press conference telling the Country “No” he would not ever accept the offer from a Democrat. The point is- almost every Democrat had the highest regards for McCain back then AND most Dems. even now consider him to be so much more worthy of the U.S Presidency than Obama! They just aren’t saying it as loudly these days!!
But, one thing is for certain -the world knows John McCain is as true an American as they come! He is well known and well proven. McCain is probably the most willing to”reach over the party line” than anyone else in D.C (except maybe) Hillary Clinton! McCain can stand behind actuality and a very impressive track record- unlike Obama who can only make promises and has not much to back those promises up with other than a lot of bigwig, News Media Guys who’s fat faces and fat opinions have taken over the air waves!!
My personal dream ticket is Hillary Clinton/John McCain!
My NightMare ticket is Barack Obama,s name along with anyone elses! Not even the Pope as VP could make me feel safe having Obama leading our Country!!
Posted by: earl | August 7, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am
Cryos – the flaw in your logic is that we don’t know how long or severe this current economic downturn is going to be. The tech bubble was a necessary market correction – this is much, much bigger. Try again.
Posted by: slinger | August 7, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am
earl – guess you missed it when McSame sold his soul to Bush at the 2004 Republican National Convention. It’s been all downhill for him since then. Sorry, but the John McCain of 2008 is not the same man as he was in 2000. Funny that the GOP wouldn’t nominate him as their candidate then. I wonder what’s changed? LOL
Posted by: chim chim | August 7, 2008, 11:23 am 11:23 am
” caused as much by commodities speculators as by the oil companies themselves.”
Supply was 85 million barrels a day; demand was 86.5 there was a supply shortage.
Here is the list of the 20 largest oil companies in the world; Obama’s tax increase would only apply to the 17th and 20th on this list and the others would benefit as a result of only these ttwo being taxed:
1 National Iranian Oil Company (Iran)
2 Saudi Arabian Oil Company (Saudi Arabia)
3 Iraq National Oil Company (Iraq)
4 Qatar General Petroleum Corporation (Qatar)
5 Abu Dhabi National Oil Company (UAE)
6 Kuwait Petroleum Corporation (Kuwait)
7 Petroleos de Venezuela.S.A. (Venezuela)
8 Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation (Nigeria)
9 National Oil Company (Libya)
10 Sonatrach (Algeria)
11 Gazprom (Russia)
12 PetroChina Co. Ltd. (China)
13 OAO Rosneft (Russia)
14 Petronas (Malaysia)
15 OAO Lukoil (Russia)
16 Petroleos Mexicanos (Mexico)
17 ExxonMobil Corporation (United States)
18 BP Corporation (United Kingdom)
19 Egyptian General Petroleum Corp. (Egypt)
20 Chevron Corporation (United States).
So how are the 17th and 20th ranked oil companies at fault again? Those are the largest american oil companies.
Since you want to change the subject to oil companies being the problem here are some questions I am interested in regarding democrats’ assertions to the industry and proposals for things like windfall profits taxes.
1. How will democrats taxing and regulating american companies the largest being 14-17th and 20th ranking substantially affect oil prices?
2. How do the democrats propose to offset the loss in competiveness brought to these oil companies by extra taxes that foreign companies are not subject to?
3. Why do democrats only target american industries and ignore the child labor, subsidizes and low environmental requirements of many foreign companies from other countries? How is it that crippling american companies’ means of making profits will give us better positioning in the global market?
4. If drilling for oil is so bad how is it that Norway who has the 2nd best environmental record in the world also is a large oil producer/exporter along with Canada?
5. Why when democrats talk about “record profits” do they not mention profit margins which oil companies are well within for profits?
6. Do you think members of OPEC who control a majority of the world’s oil supplies don’t have a vested interests in keeping the price of oil high and wanting to keep it going as long as possible?
7. Who has more to gain from high prices the american companies or the other foreign companies from which american oil companies are consumers?
Posted by: Cryos | August 7, 2008, 11:23 am 11:23 am
Cryos – I didn’t realize that Congress’ jurisdiction applied to foreign companies as well… LOL
Your list is a load of crap, dude.
Posted by: chim chim | August 7, 2008, 11:25 am 11:25 am
Wow,Howard Dean sums it up perfectly. Just think of how more bizarre McCrazy will be in the upcoming years. Scares the hell out of me, and it should scare the hell out of all peoplee who are going to vote for him. He is totally unstable.
Posted by: Diane | August 7, 2008, 11:26 am 11:26 am
Can we stop the election and pick another two? Neither of these seem to be working out too well.
Posted by: xmarks | August 7, 2008, 11:27 am 11:27 am
“Cryos – the flaw in your logic is that we don’t know how long or severe this current economic downturn is going to be. The tech bubble was a necessary market correction – this is much, much bigger. Try again.”
Oh really. And housing prices increasing tremendously so that the middle class could no longer afford them is not a necessary market correction?
“Cryos – I like how you try to use the business cycle to bolster your silly partisan attacks, and then whine when others use the same tactics against you. Stop being such a hypocrite. You just make yourself look foolish and whiny.”
If you read my earlier posts I know it is a bipartisan issue. However a lot of the people on this thread attribute all these things solely on republicans especially bush and don’t want to face the music when the democrats are heavily involved as they are. Sorry that I hit a nerve and am pointing out your “all bushs fault” myth is false. However I know a lot of people will just disregard the valid points and convince themselves democrats are “for the people.” Lol.
Posted by: Cryos | August 7, 2008, 11:27 am 11:27 am
cryos – you’ve got your issues confused here. Nobody is claiming that taxing oil companies is going to bring oil prices down. These are seperet issues. Taxing oil companies on their windfall profits is simply a way for the government to get a rightful taste of the unprecedented revenues that the oil companies are currently reaping. Which is a good idea – somebody is going to have to pay for Bush’s war in Iraq sometime.
Posted by: leo fuld | August 7, 2008, 11:28 am 11:28 am
Nina – McCain has a track record of disrespecting women that go way back before he offered up his wife for this softcore porno contest.
Posted by: Paul
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Paul, yes, I know! He became enraged when Cindi teased him about his thinning hai and responded by saying: “At least I don’t cake the makeup on like a trollop, you cccc! He also enjoyed telling rape jokes about women and large apes. He also made degrading comments about Chelsea, Clinton, and Reno. It goes on and on with McCain. He is the worst chauvinistic pig I have seen in my life time. On the policy side, he has voted against EVERY Bill that would benefit women, such as Equal Pay. He is also a racist, refusing to vote for the Martin Luther King Holiday, refusing to vote for finances to fund such a bill, and voted against Civil Rights. He is also against our military and our vets. Voted against our troops getting potective vests and armor for their humvees, he voted against additional benefits for our Active Duty, National Guard, and veterans. He voted against improvements in military hospitals because it would be too generous; in fact, McCain thought ALL the bills up for a vote regarding our military were too generous. McCain is not going to make changes,he is too in tune with GWB, voted 99% in lockstep with Bush policies. McCain is a dirty, mean-spirited politician who is suffering from dementia.
Posted by: NinaK | August 7, 2008, 11:30 am 11:30 am
Cryos – if you know it’s a bipartisan issue, then how come you keep trying to blame the democrats over and over again? Give it up, you’re talking out of both sides of your mouth now.
Posted by: Nina | August 7, 2008, 11:30 am 11:30 am
“Cryos – I didn’t realize that Congress’ jurisdiction applied to foreign companies as well… LOL
Your list is a load of crap, dude.”
Once again you miss the point and I don’t know where that came from. My only guess would be the 14-17 which was in a different part of the post I didn’t paste in here. Exxon is rated between 14-17 largest depending on the criteria used by 17 is the most common. You prove my point with your post. If legislation only affects the globally small oil companies what good does it do other than to reduce our competition?
Posted by: Cryos | August 7, 2008, 11:31 am 11:31 am
“Cryos – thanks for admitting that the Republicans were also responsible for blocking offshore drilling.”
I see faults on both sides of the aisle and acknowledge them however the offshore drilling issue does not have equal weight from both parties. On threads like this I typically have to side more with republicans since there are more liberal posters spreading disinformation than conservative.
With recent developments with offshore drilling it is the democrats blocking. The republicans want to open it up and Bush has lifted the executive moratorium but Pelosi is too busy trying to “save the world.”
Posted by: Cryos | August 7, 2008, 11:33 am 11:33 am
Weak.
Naive.
Vague.
Arrogant.
Deceitful.
Confused.
Narcissitic.
Dishonest.
Incompetent.
Inexperienced.
Will raise taxes.
Married to Michelle.
Will punish success.
Will expand government.
Will weaken national security.
No record of bipartisianship. Ever.
Longtime supporter of hard-left hate.
More popular in France than in America.
Clapping in Jeremiah’s pews for 20+ years.
Likes to play race games to paint himself a victim.
Takes both sides of every issue, stands for nothing.
Loved by terrorists and America-haters around the world.
Cancels visit with wounded soldiers for hoops at Ritz Carlton.
Full of socialist ideas for change and ready to roll on day one.
Nobama ’08
Posted by: Obama the Boy King | Aug 7, 2008 3:30:58 PM
Now, this is a GOOD POST!
Posted by: carpe' diem | August 7, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am
Osama and Obama certainly have one thing in common:
They both have a friend who bombed the Pentagon.
Winnie the Poohbama is a first-rate con man to be sure, but nothing even remotely close to presidential material.
Posted by: Jac | August 7, 2008, 11:35 am 11:35 am
Cryos – the effects are the point. Effects are the measure of a difference between a market correction and a crash. duh.
Posted by: chim chim | August 7, 2008, 11:37 am 11:37 am
There are many americans like my self that feel like neither of these two are really fit to be president. But yet we are stuck with these two as our presumptive nominees. McCain seems to be slipping a little in his old age with one Gaff after another, even suggesting that his wife be in a biker beauty pagent, Which are topless. Dont believe me go see the video at http://www.mccanes.com they have the video of him knocking stuff off the shelf at the grocery store, videos of him losing his temper. Then there is Obama, He doesnt Gaff quite as much as McCain but he has his share. But its not his Gaffs that are scary but his real moments., LIke the moment of him rapping?? A president busting a rap? what?? If older people seen this they would never vote for him. They have the video of this at http://www.mesocash.com , Now they are starting to float around t boone pickens plan, which is at least an actual plan. The rumor is that Obama is thinking about endorsing it. they have an article at http://www.tboonpickens.com They would be an improvement over the candidates flimsy energy plans. I am hoping that I have a third choice in november. I just am having a really hard time figuring which one these two will do the least amount of damage to our country.
Posted by: Peter
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Not too difficult a decision to make. Just look at everything that is going on and has gone on during the last eight years under the Republican President and SIX years of a Republican Congress (the democrats have been the majority nearly two years). McCain, himself, recently stated the Congress is broken and that it has failed us for the last 30 years. What McCain is NOT telling us, is that he was a big part of that same Congress for 26 long years! He is a large component of that broken Congress which failed us the last 30 years!! Simply put, McCain cannot blame and condemn his brothers for raiding the cookie jar when he himself was part of that raid and has the cookie crumbs all over his chin and his shirt and inbetween his teeth to prove it.
Posted by: NinaK | August 7, 2008, 11:37 am 11:37 am
ha! great point, Nina – McCain himself admits that he’s been part of the problem for over 20 years.
Posted by: bijoux | August 7, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am
“cryos – you’ve got your issues confused here. Nobody is claiming that taxing oil companies is going to bring oil prices down. These are seperet issues. Taxing oil companies on their windfall profits is simply a way for the government to get a rightful taste of the unprecedented revenues that the oil companies are currently reaping.”
I don’t have my issues confused; they are tied together. Democrats are using the issue of high gas prices to put a politically motivated, unsubstantiated tax increases on american oil companies to pay off voters without addressing the reality of the situation which is we will pay the cost. Over the last 30 years the government has received 3X in tax the amount of profit and they charge tax at the pump. So what is your definition of “windfall profits” and “rightful taste?” In terms of margins oil companies make profits well within normal margins it is the size of their company that makes the dollar amount high.
Posted by: Cryos | August 7, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am
“Cryos – the effects are the point. Effects are the measure of a difference between a market correction and a crash. duh.”
Your justification knows no bounds. Hate to make you face the hard facts but democrats are every iota as dirty as republicans. Keep fooling yourself and justifying democrats’ poor actions and judgement though it is ok to be blind and biased it is your right.
Posted by: Cryos | August 7, 2008, 11:42 am 11:42 am
Cryos – incorrect. You are indeed confused and only tying these issues together in your own mind. In case you missed, Oil Companies have posted record profits this year. At the same time, our national debt is out of control and the Treasury is starved for new revenue streams. Also, in lean times the government has subsidized drilling and oil exploration for big oil. This is simply a matter of payback and has nothing to do with bringing down the price of oil. Nobody is making that claim but you (and maybe some other misinformed partisan wingnuts).
Posted by: deerstalker | August 7, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am
We would also find right up to this campaign season what positive things John McCain said about his Democratic rival Obama! Taking statements made some years back out of context wouldn’t help him much. Sen. McCain is turning out to be a mindlessly stupid politician who has no principle at all. He would say or do anything to get elected President. His almost daily tirades, hyperboles and nasty campaign ads against everything Obama suggest to us an unethical, incompetent, angry, intemperate old man who can’t stand the very idea that a young, articulate, intelligent African-American contender now has a bright prospect of being elected President of the United States over him. He calls Obama ignorant; but we know McCain was never known for his brightness as this campaign has already show by his many gaffes, confusion and inability to even get the facts correct in areas he claims expertise. McCain’s claim of knowledge, expertise and experience is laughable in the face of his almost daily gaffes (for which the corporate media have generally given him a pass–something they wouldn’t do for Obama)! The media continues to judge him on the basis of the supposed maverick image; but there is a new, meaner, darker McCain that the media refuses to acknowledge. And don’t forget that at Annapolis, he finished fifth—from the bottom of the class. McCain’s often theatrical–indeed professed shock and stun about whatever Obama does is laughable. On the other hand, Obama has given him credit from time to time, the mark of a confident gentleman. Like Hillary, McCain is counting on the stupidity of the general masses, waging his campaign with a big grudge and vengeance–with all the nastiness and negativity of the Hillary primary campaign. But Americans are much smarter than he gives them credit. Like Hillary, he is showing that he is unable to escape from the prison walls of his own ego and narrow vision. Hope and broad vision will always in the end trump narrow vision. Surely, McCain will fail in the end, irrespective of the fact that he now has working for him big money lobbyists that he previously shouted against, the “Swift Boat Veterans for Truth” (or should I say falsehood) and Karl Rove protégé. This man (McCain) lacks integrity. What an eye opener! Dr. Sam
Posted by: Dr. Sam | August 7, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am
Cryos – what am I “justifying” here? Just because I won’t bow down to your twisted partisan logic that everything the Dems do is bad, but everything the GOP does is good doesn’t mean that I’m justifying anything.
Also, you are fundamentally wrong – the effects of a downturn are precisely how you measure the difference between a crash or a market correction in a given market sector. You do understand this, right?
Posted by: deerstalker | August 7, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am
Well once again we see McCrazie puting out lies again. The John McCain of 00 and 04 won’t vote for the McCrazie of 08. Someone need to drop this Ol’ white haired senile man off at the Ol’folks home. Crank up the Hybrdy someone need a ride.
Breaking News:
McCrazie was driving the Straight Talk Express in Miami and he started talking out of both side of his mouth and crash the bus. Ooooooooh, His ol’asssss should be driving,He need some prum juice and a tv to watch Andy Griffin…….LMAO
Posted by: Big AL | August 7, 2008, 11:51 am 11:51 am
Cryos – I am acknowleding your other posts on this topic and at best all I see is massive inconsistency on your part. In some posts you try to blame democrats for everything, then when pressed, you concede that Republicans are just as bad, and then you turn around and start attacking democrats again. What’s the deal?
Posted by: deerstalker | August 7, 2008, 11:52 am 11:52 am
Hawr! Old quotes. Perfect recipe from an old guy.
Now, wobble on down the road to retirement, Mr. McCan’t!! Maybe Cindy will help you dodder along.
Posted by: ErniePF | August 7, 2008, 11:52 am 11:52 am
I’ve read through these comments and I’m surprised at how many people in this country have not really put in perspective what is happening here. We are in dilemma, we need change and it will not come unless we step back and access what has gone on in the past.
The Republican Party has had sixteen years of control in the Congress and Senate, through the office of Bill Clinton and President Bush. Clinton tried to help the people who voted him in office but was blocked by the Republican rule. When Pres. Bush was elected, the Republicans were on the high road. They had control. So they helped them selves (wage increases, etc.). Even in Texas, the Presidents’ home state, he would not help to raise the minimum wage for workers.
We can make snide remarks, brow beat, demean and point fingers. In the end, we need change!! We must assess who can give us this change. Which candidate will serve us best? Who can pull us out of the falling spiral that we are experiencing. We are loosing jobs, homes, and our sense of well being.
Other nations are looking and wondering if we handle this dilemma. If we as a nation can rise above all of this crazy-ness.
We are one of the greatest nations in the world. Act like it! Stop this crazy-ness. Assess what this country needs as a hole and lets move forward.
Posted by: L. E. | August 7, 2008, 11:58 am 11:58 am
Cryos – nice try, but the housing crash is much more serious than the tech crash. Very few people lost their retirements in that crash – aside from the folks who thought they could retire at 35 on their stock options – and the tech industry did not affect as wide a sector as all American homeowners. Also, Americans have lost REAL value of their homes, as well as the inflationary value – in all real estate markets. Remember, median home values have lost more real value than at since at any time since the 1930s. Also, Americans have most of their assets tied up in their homes, so there’s a ripple effect across the economy. If you don’t understand that this current downturn is much, much worse than the tech bubble, then you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Posted by: deerstalker | August 7, 2008, 11:58 am 11:58 am
How very gracious and classy of these Democrats to say such kind words about Mr. McCain. Would he say the same type of thing about them? Doubtful. Mean-spitited Republicans have neither the grace or the class to be able to do so. And as an example of low class, using the Democrats words in propaganda ads – tacky, tacky
Posted by: DaveM | August 7, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
Cryos – do you work for Enron or something? Why are you shilling for Big Oil?
Posted by: Nina | August 7, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
Why hasn’t McCain’s background as “The Songbird” been exposed? Here ia good article on it:___http://www.opednews.com/articles/2/The–Songbird–as-Presiden-by-JOHN-LORENZ-080805-49.html___
Posted by: allen_osuno3 | August 7, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm
cryos – you already posted that nonsense and it’s already been debunked. try again.
Posted by: chim chim | August 7, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm
So basically, Cryos wants us to subsidize the oil companies but doesn’t want them to give back to the government when times are good? Why is corporate welfare always a one-way street with Republicans?
Posted by: kelly schirmer | August 7, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
“Exxon just posted it’s highest profits EVER in the last quarter. They can spare a small percentage for the government that made it possible.”
Once again repeating yourself to answers I already gave without posting a reply. Keep trying deer.
My earlier answer. The government is getting more than a “little bit.”
Over the last 30 years the government has received 3X in tax the amount of profit and they charge tax at the pump. So what is your definition of “windfall profits” and “rightful taste?” In terms of margins oil companies make profits well within normal margins it is the size of their company that makes the dollar amount high.
So far as housing; THE HOUSING PRICES WERE NOT REAL THEY HAVE BEEN INFLATED OVER THE LAST DECADE. Just because you wanted your house value to be “real” increasing between 10-30%+ a year doesn’t make it so. Real estate became overvalued and is crashing to what it should be.
Posted by: Cryos | August 7, 2008, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
Ugh. Cryos is impervious to logic. He’s just going to keep on repeating the same nonsense over and over again in a sad attempt to blame everything on the Dems. I’m done wasting my time!
Posted by: deerstalker | August 7, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm
Here is a good starter link to a lot of economists agreeing the housing bubble was a bubble not “real” value. I guess they must be wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_housing_bubble
Posted by: Cryos | August 7, 2008, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm
Cryos – it seems to me that the GOP has been running the show for the last 8 years. Why are you so obsessed with Dem wrongdoing when it’s clear to everyone else that it’s the Republicans who are largely responsible for our current problems? Clearly you are a partisan clown who can’t admit when your own party is at fault and need to scapegoat others instead of taking real responsiblity. And don’t try to smear me as some kind of Democratic partisan, because I’m an indpendent and don’t much like EITHER candidate.
Posted by: micchus | August 7, 2008, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm
Wow, way to swing, Cryos. That looks like strike three.
Obama is a Marxist now? Prattle on with this nonsense at Limbaugh’s site, because absolutely no one, not even the other neocons on this thread, believe you.
Posted by: ErniePF | August 7, 2008, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm
I love the ad. The Dems are going to squeal and squirm over this one. They know John McCain is no George Bush and they can’t stand it. Were it not for the mainstream media’s obsession with Obama and their trumpeting of “His” glorious candidacy, McCain would probably have a healthy lead.
I suspect on election day a lot of the so-called Democratic leaders are going to be in for a big surprise when the Great O chokes, and John McCain gets elected. On that day there will be 2 winners: John McCain and . . . Hillary Clinton, who will be ready to pick up the pieces and get ready for 2012.
Posted by: Sam | August 7, 2008, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm
Sam – I love the ad, too, and I’m a Dem. It shows how classy the Democrats are and how clueless the Republicans are. In case you missed it, it’s entirely possible to be respectful of your political opponent and still oppose their policies. This ad just underscores the classless partisanship of the GOP – it’s like a freudian slip from the McCain campaign. It’s too funny, really.
Posted by: Kal | August 7, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
Sam – the ad makes me wonder why McCain can’t be as respectful and civilzed as Obama and Hillary. I think this ad is going to backfire on him bigtime.
Posted by: Pinky lou | August 7, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
So an old man uses old quotes out of context? What a dishonest creep.
Posted by: redfoot | August 7, 2008, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm
Lol not bothering with more responses on this thread. The same person or two are posting as several people. FYI you should try to change your syntax, grammar and other telltale signs of who you are as educated people unlike yourself can recognize a writer by these signs.
Posted by: Cryos | August 7, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
OMG Cryos you are right and people like deer and chim cham are so wrong. See I can do it too.
Posted by: Imposter | August 7, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
I agree with the poster who said that it’s sad the McCain finds civility remarkable. What is wrong with us that we can’t allow people from the other party to say nice things without trying to use them against them? This is a new low for McCain.
Posted by: redfoot | August 7, 2008, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm
“cryos – why do keep claiming that you’re not blaming democrats and then turn around and blame democrats? do you think that the rest of us can’t scroll up and read your earlier posts? stop trying to have it both ways.”
Well chimcham/deer/wookie/whoever else I am saying democrats are proven to be tied to money interests on these direct issues. I hold republicans to blame but for things like the Iraq war, spending policies, etc. The parties are both dirty but they have different issues they manipulate. Since threads like this are so pro democrat I spend more time pointing out the issues where democrats are the dirty and guilty ones and try pinning to Bush along with republican mistakes like the war which can genuinely be pinned to Bush and is republicans fault. Sorry I didn’t spell things out ABC style.
Ask yourself this basic question; who has to gain by a bad economy this election year? Amazing how before the signs were even there the MSM spouted recession and it happened to coincide with improvement in the war; defusing the democrats’ primary ammunition.
Posted by: Cryos | August 7, 2008, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm
Just like liberals to say something then deny saying it. Even when on film they won’t admit anything. This is for all libs.When you leftists say something why should any of you be trusted. The truth is not relevant to the situation is it. Like the wizard of OZ saying to the scarecrow “don’t pay attention to the man behind the curtain!”
Posted by: John | August 7, 2008, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm
Gonna take your toys and go home, eh Cyrus? Don’t let the door hit you on your way out. LOL
Posted by: sambur | August 7, 2008, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm
You liberal leftists should all be put in reeducation camps and exterminated. You’re all traitors who want to sell out America to the terrorists. I wish I could kill you all with my bare hands! I hate you all so much!
Posted by: John | August 7, 2008, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
So when will ABC give the DNC’s parallel ad released today the same amount of coverage?
Posted by: Wiscon | August 7, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
Seek help, John. You got problems.
Posted by: sambur | August 7, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
“Gonna take your toys and go home, eh Cyrus? Don’t let the door hit you on your way out. LOL”
Lol geez how many names are you going to lose. Lets see you can’t answer any of the legitimate questions I ask so keep switching screen names to try a “win by numbers” strategy. Sad. Why I don’t post much on abc sites.
Oh well I provided some starting points on fact based issues to the people reading this thread who possess the intelligence and education to use it so that’s what matters. A lot of the rest of the people on here are on summer break from high school and can’t vote so it doesn’t really matter what you think anyways.
Posted by: Cryos | August 7, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
redfoot Your friends never say anything nice unless they want something. Liberals have a comeback like “thats not what I said” Or “your just twisting what I said”. If libs walked their talk then the communications will be better and things will get done. The congress under Polsi is the point.
Posted by: John | August 7, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
Bumping this post one more time so it is fresh for the people that matter to evaluate: adults, independants and moderates instead of seeing the posts from 1 person posting as 3-5 different people. Good luck to the sane people on this thread :)
would assert this statement excludes things like the dot com bubble and tech crashes that as well as a lot of fishy things that happened during Clinton’s term such as the Serbian bombing of civilian targers, waco, chinese technology transfer, major chinese campaign contributors, mysterious deaths for a lot of people involved with shady deals, etc. Here are a couple example links.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_campaign_finance_controversy
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/05/22/china.money/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/missile/keystories.htm
For the people claiming republicans are the party of special interests and industry money I find this interesting silicon valley including bill gates were huge contributors to clinton and democrats. Bill Gates became the richest man in the world during Clinton’s presidency and the dot com and then tech industries crashed. Some of the biggest bundlers to Obama’s campaign are from financial investment firms and real estate the 2 industries crashing the economy now. Amazing how the republicans are supposed to be the guilty ones yet democrats are the ones getting the most money from the industries responsible for the economic bubbles and collapses since the 90s.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/06/us/politics/06bundlers.html?bl&ex=1218168000&en=13e70dd4b3a5f45b&ei=5087
” caused as much by commodities speculators as by the oil companies themselves.”
Supply was 85 million barrels a day; demand was 86.5 there was a supply shortage.
Here is the list of the 20 largest oil companies in the world; Obama’s tax increase would only apply to the 17th and 20th on this list and the others would benefit as a result of only these ttwo being taxed:
1 National Iranian Oil Company (Iran)
2 Saudi Arabian Oil Company (Saudi Arabia)
3 Iraq National Oil Company (Iraq)
4 Qatar General Petroleum Corporation (Qatar)
5 Abu Dhabi National Oil Company (UAE)
6 Kuwait Petroleum Corporation (Kuwait)
7 Petroleos de Venezuela.S.A. (Venezuela)
8 Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation (Nigeria)
9 National Oil Company (Libya)
10 Sonatrach (Algeria)
11 Gazprom (Russia)
12 PetroChina Co. Ltd. (China)
13 OAO Rosneft (Russia)
14 Petronas (Malaysia)
15 OAO Lukoil (Russia)
16 Petroleos Mexicanos (Mexico)
17 ExxonMobil Corporation (United States)
18 BP Corporation (United Kingdom)
19 Egyptian General Petroleum Corp. (Egypt)
20 Chevron Corporation (United States).
So how are the 17th and 20th ranked oil companies at fault again? Those are the largest american oil companies.
Since you want to change the subject to oil companies being the problem here are some questions I am interested in regarding democrats’ assertions to the industry and proposals for things like windfall profits taxes.
1. How will democrats taxing and regulating american companies the largest being 14-17th and 20th ranking substantially affect oil prices?
2. How do the democrats propose to offset the loss in competiveness brought to these oil companies by extra taxes that foreign companies are not subject to?
3. Why do democrats only target american industries and ignore the child labor, subsidizes and low environmental requirements of many foreign companies from other countries? How is it that crippling american companies’ means of making profits will give us better positioning in the global market?
4. If drilling for oil is so bad how is it that Norway who has the 2nd best environmental record in the world also is a large oil producer/exporter along with Canada?
5. Why when democrats talk about “record profits” do they not mention profit margins which oil companies are well within for profits?
6. Do you think members of OPEC who control a majority of the world’s oil supplies don’t have a vested interests in keeping the price of oil high and wanting to keep it going as long as possible?
7. Who has more to gain from high prices the american companies or the other foreign companies from which american oil companies are consumers?
Posted by: Cryos | August 7, 2008, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm
LOL!! “And Obama gave a speech in 2002.” LOL! You gotta love it. Not all of you, afterall this can be considered adult humor. The adults will vote for McCain and the children, well, they’ll be too young to vote for Obama! Either way Obama loses. Listen, listen, “and Obama gave a speech in 2002.” Nothing could characterize that slap dancing empty suit more than that statement by the soon to be “new” Democratic candidate. LOL! “He gave a speech . . . . . “
Posted by: Chas | August 7, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
You know what nice about this ad……….it’s the TRUTH. And those Democrats who endorsed McCain were telling the truth then.
Now today their lying when they say that McCain has changed since then.
That’s laughable. Why do Democrats have such a hard time telling the truth.
I mean Obama still can’t admit that the surge worked. What a shame…….
Posted by: allen ridge | August 7, 2008, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm
Once a steer gets branded it’s no longer a Maverick and McCain has the Bush Cheney brand all over and then some. His past isn’t his present and we have to consider the present in voting on the future.
Posted by: bhciapol | August 7, 2008, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm
The article is quick to point out that the comments by Daschile, Biden, Kerry and Dean are old. This only proves McCain has a long history of working with the other side to get the things done for the good of the country. Obama has no record of bipartisanship. His message of “unity” is for all to unify behind his socialist agenda.
Posted by: LADNARC | August 7, 2008, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm
Weak.
Naive.
Vague.
Arrogant.
Deceitful.
Confused.
Narcissitic.
Dishonest.
Incompetent.
Inexperienced.
Will raise taxes.
Married to Michelle.
Will punish success.
Will expand government.
Will weaken national security.
No record of bipartisianship. Ever.
Longtime supporter of hard-left hate.
More popular in France than in America.
Clapping in Jeremiah’s pews for 20+ years.
Likes to play race games to paint himself a victim.
Takes both sides of every issue, stands for nothing.
Loved by terrorists and America-haters around the world.
Cancels visit with wounded soldiers for hoops at Ritz Carlton.
Full of socialist ideas for change and ready to roll on day one.
Nobama ’08
Posted by: Obama the Boy King | Aug 7, 2008 3:30:58 PM
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Now, this is a GOOD POST!
Posted by: carpe’ diem
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No, I would not call this a good post. It is a posting full of lies and slander by a hard-core racist and bigot.
Obama the Boy King? Umm, King TUT was also a boy king and look at how he is now world reknown!! Are you saying years from now Senator Obama will be world reknown as well? Gee, I love it!! Thanks for your vision!!
Posted by: NinaK | August 7, 2008, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm
Uh-duh – Of course the leftists are going to be against McCain now with the election approaching. That’s the strength of the ad. The ad shows the leftists speaking when they didn’t have to lie. Article writer – wise up.
Posted by: Charles | August 7, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm
NinaK, listen, playback the ad and listen to Hillary again “. . . and Obama gave a speech in 2002!” LOL! That’s your candidate she’s making fun of . . . but she’s right on target. An empty suit is just that . . . empty. LOL.
Posted by: Chas | August 7, 2008, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm
So McCain drags up some comments from the “Olden Days” puts them in a commercial and it is supposed to be a big winner for him? Gee, it is about as big as his Paris/Brittney ad…
I as a solid Obama supporter liked McCain back in 2000, before he flip-flopped on all his positions, threw his integrity out the window and turned into a senile old fool McBush…
Unfortunately he is just a “shadow” of the person that the people (including Obama) are praising in his new BS commercial.
He is not a “Maverick” anymore, he is just old senile McSurge, who talks and looks like Mr. Magoo!
Can’t wait for the first debate between Obama and McMagoo, as Obama is going to rip that old fool a new one!
Obama ’08!!!
Posted by: Davis | August 7, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
The democrate politican are flip flop every four years.
Posted by: Kevin P | August 7, 2008, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm
I am a Daughter of a Vietnam Veteran and I do not support McCain. Nor do I support Obama. Both of them are fake Presidential elects. If anything we need to fix our broken election system to prevent the Republicans from hijacking this coming election. There will be voting problems. This time though Jeb and Katherine Harris won’t be overseein’ the counts in Florida.
Watch online movie “American Blackout” and guess who I will be voting for.
Posted by: Laura | August 7, 2008, 8:09 pm 8:09 pm
Did the Republican Party scrape the bottom of the barrel to get their presidential nominee? Remember BOB DOLE?
Posted by: Tina | August 8, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
Great Ad! I agree with all of them, and take them at their word–except for …maybe…the double-talker. He will change his mind already.
None of them can escape the fact that they praised him for his ability and willingness to work across the aisle to make progress. He’s is the best candidate in the race.
McCain ’08
Posted by: georgia | August 8, 2008, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm