Fact Check: Palin Wrong on Former VP Credentials
ABC News’ Lisa Chinn reports: During her interview with ABC News’ Charlie Gibson Thursday Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin attempted to deflect a question about the fact she has never met a foreign head of state by saying that “many” other vice presidential nominees in history hadn’t met a head of state either.
However Palin was mistaken, at least where recent history is concerned.
Every vice president over the last 30 years had met a foreign head of state before being elected.
“Have you ever met a foreign head of state?” Gibson asked Palin Thursday.
“I have not,” Palin said, “and I think if you go back in history and if you ask that question of many vice presidents, they may have the same answer that I just gave you.”
However Palin, who obtained her first passport two years ago, would in fact be the first vice president in 32 years who hadn’t met a foreign head of state, if she were elected.
The current Vice President Dick Cheney is a former Secretary of Defense and met foreign leaders in that capacity.
Former Vice President Al Gore was a member of the Senate Armed Forces Committee and went on many congressional trips abroad, known as CODELS, where he met foreign leaders.
Former Vice President Dan Quayle was also a member the Senate Armed Committee and went on many CODELS.
Former President George H.W. Bush was the Ambassador to China before he became a vice president and eventually president.
Walter Mondale, who became vice president in 1977 under President Jimmy Carter, was a senator for 16 years before becoming VP and met foreign leaders
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I’m afraid Palin is wrong on a LOT of things. Provided that she ever heard about them.
The Gibson interview made abundantly clear that Palin is only in it for her sex. The Palin pick is cynical politics. Now she’s a disgrace to all the great female polticians and leaders out there.
She fell very deep tonight, after succesfully reading aloud the convention speech a Bush aide had written for her.
Posted by: world | September 11, 2008, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm
What’s new. Palin’s wrong on EVERYTHING. No wonder the campiagn left her hidden.
Posted by: Vanessa | September 11, 2008, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm
Lisa Chinn is making a big deal regarding meeting a head of state. I don’t think that every VP met a head of state. They can do that later. What is Chinn’s problem and who cares about the head of state. The important issue is winning the election and at the rate she is going with the public McCain might just win.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | September 11, 2008, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm
I can name tons of former vp in our country’s 236year history that have not met a foreign head of state.
This question was intended to be a negative attack on Palin kind of like PUSH POLLING.
Gibson was very condescending in tone & body language to her. It was not really an interview, more an attempt by the liberal media to try to stumble her.
SHE DID A GREAT JOB BY NOT TAKING THE BAIT.
Posted by: Calston | September 11, 2008, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm
How did you prove Palin wrong on this fact?
>if you go back in history and if you ask that question of many vice presidents, they may have the same answer that I just gave you.
She states that many VPs in history MAY have the same answer. So ABC checks with the last 5 VPs and because they did meet other heads of state all the other VPs must not have?
Clearly this is a hit piece.
Posted by: Paul Masters | September 11, 2008, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm
This lady is wrong on many things especially policy issues, she has none just like her partner. Bridge to nowhere because she stopped construction. Lies to get someone fired nice girl isn’t she? 6 colleges in 4 years and an ex beauty queen just wonder what qualifies her since that is their chief complaint about Obama looks like neither one are either.
Posted by: Rose Szymanski | September 11, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm
World: Let me go on record that Obama read one of JFK’s speeches on the night of his acceptance speech and he has been using speeches from the RFK book. He might have added a few words of his own but all his speeches are copies of other’s and that was already stated.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | September 11, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm
Cable news commentators are saying she did very well despite attempts by Mr. Gibson to try to set trap doors for her. They said she was smart enough to not take the bait.
Posted by: Ann from FL | September 11, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm
Who’s Your Messiah Now?
Sarah Palin’s rapid elevation from small town mayor to candidate for national office to revered deity, has got me asking if conservatives aren’t taking a bit too much of the savior in mass (or smoking crack). The hyperbole exceeds satire.
She is the true Paris Hilton of politicians. She’s famous for being famous. Especially among conservatives. But the inside-the-beltway hysteria of GOP coastal elites and wealthy Christian Conservatives – as expressed by the staffs of the Weekly Standard, National Review, and Fox News (in New York!), among others – is a soirée in a samovar.
Outside of their gay and prosperous precincts, Americans are still wondering who the hell this woman is. The GOP is gravely misreading the national mood and the general appeal of their VP candidate. No one who wasn’t already going to vote for her will now do so because she eats mooseburger and gives a snarky speech. Better enjoy that celebration because prognostications aside – she’s the 2012 nominee (they assume either a loss or McCain’s death, whichever comes first), she’s the future of the party, she’s come to save us from imminent defeat – Sarah Palin has a long, tough, and I’m guessing, scandal-filled road ahead of her.
Who’s your messiah now? Sarah Palin. And you better pray she’s studying hard and paying off the townies back home, or she just might be a false prophet.
Posted by: ES | September 11, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm
Keep going ABC…..you only went far back to George Bush #41…..keep going back. Sarah Palin is not wrong.
Posted by: tom | September 11, 2008, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm
Rose: I didn’t know that you were a master on politics. Maybe McCain should have chosen you.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | September 11, 2008, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm
Head of state in another country why bother with another country we have problems right here and she is a war hawk just like mcbush
Posted by: Rose Szymanski | September 11, 2008, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm
World what are you a paid Obamamite???
Obama is the one that is an embarrassment to the US. Won’t even show a birth certificate or college records. The Democrats are just afraid of Palin because she is honest and one of us!! I am voting Republican all the way down the line. First time in 37 years!!!
Posted by: Fae | September 11, 2008, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm
CHARLES GIBSON WAS VERY CONDESCENDING & DISRESPECTFUL TONIGHT TO SARAH.
RESPECT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR BETW. A REPORTER & SUBJECT.
GIBSON NEEDS TO GO BACK TO COLLEGE & TAKE A REFRESHER ON JOURNALISM 101
Posted by: Carl J. | September 11, 2008, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm
How is Palin wrong? Did she say if you go back 30 years you will see that other VPs didn’t meet foreign heads of state? No she said if you look back in history. So to say she is wrong is just inaccurate and a lie.
Posted by: jean | September 11, 2008, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm
I am not quite sure why she needs a ton of experience. Won’t she be obtaining that experience as Vice-President?
Of the candidates, the person I am not quite sure about as far as experience is Obama. How man heads of state has he been able to meet before he began running for president? If he states that his “executive experience” is running a campaign, then can’t Sarah Palin be expected to gain the same types of experience on the campaign trail?
One other comment from someone who isn’t writing on these posts daily but do read them… I think these posts are for intelligent and thoughtful discussion and not for people to push their narrow-minded views of each candidate. I can’t believe WORLD would post something like “she’s only in it for her sex.” Do you know how pathetic you sound? Go look in the mirror and look at what you have become.
Posted by: Matthew Price | September 11, 2008, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm
Why would anyone expect her to know that vice-presidential nominees in recent decades had met heads of state? She didn’t even know what the Bush doctrine was.
Maybe she assumed that other vice-presidential nominees were as unqualified as she is.
Posted by: Katia | September 11, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm
mcbush picked a female to get the Hillary votes he just picked the wrong female there are others with more no how then palin
Posted by: Rose Szymanski | September 11, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm
How much more dumbing down can this country take? Palin is in way over her head. McCain has totally jumped the shark.
And Putin is laughing his a** off.
Posted by: Becca | September 11, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm
Ann FL: You are absolutely right and I am surprised at Charles Gibson for doing that. But Palin isn’t a dumb woman and will answer back. I cannot wait until she debates Biden. Obama lost all his debates and the forum interview. She will do great and run all over Biden.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | September 11, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm
The Barracuda as she likes to be called is a minnow in a very dangerous sea full of Tiger Sharks. Putin would have her before breakfast as an appeitizer.
Posted by: polarbearkiller | September 11, 2008, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm
Obama says…small town mayors, “trim trees, fill potholes, collect garbage” . What a SCUM bag elitist!
Posted by: Demnomore | September 11, 2008, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm
PALIN HIT ANOTHER GRAND SLAM
It’s amazing how so many Liberal reporters like Lynn Sweet of the Chicago Sun-Times have been forced to admit it.
Great job Governor Palin.
Posted by: Lexi | September 11, 2008, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm
The meeting with a head of state is of relative minor importance compared to her endorsing George W Bush’s preemptive strike on Iraq.
Gibson should have asked her if it was acceptable to make up intelligence to justify killing and wounding thousands of innocent and whether a President that lies to star a war should be impeached.
Posted by: Stan | September 11, 2008, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm
She says she doesn’t want to bring back the cold war but does want to employ sanctions against Russia and threaten military action against Russia. That sure sounds like the cold war to me. Does she know what the cold war was? Maybe that’s like the Bush Doctrine she hadn’t heard about either.
Posted by: JR | September 11, 2008, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm
VP nominees, not VPs.
Posted by: sean | September 11, 2008, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm
What ever happened to a regular american running for office? Are only the noble ruling elit allowed to run for the highest offices in our land. I guess I missed that in Civics class. I also don’t recall being a “Washington Insider” or a ” Hollywood Insider” a prerequisite for the office according the Constitution. She has executive experience and made tough decisions which is more than we can say of the Presidential nominee of the opposite ticket.
Why has so much been made of her sex when Obama has made so much of his race? Maybe the DNC annoiting a good-looking black man is cynical politics because only a good looking, extremely well-funded, Howard Dean-speaking and totally media backed person would be able to beat the Clinton machine. Hmmmmmm.
Posted by: DBTenn | September 11, 2008, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm
i am not crooked enough to be involved in politics but i want to be informed an what is going to affect me , my town, my state and my country . I could give a poop what goes on in russia thats their business not ours. We would be better off cleaning our own back porches before we did it for the world. Clean up this country get every one working, get every one health care and start cleaning up the environment. And rememberf mc bush has a score to settle with vietnam.
Posted by: Rose Szymanski | September 11, 2008, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm
Jimmy Garter never met any foreign leader befor he became president.
Liberals – what kind of foreign policy experience have?
Posted by: adam | September 11, 2008, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm
Carl J
I think you need to return to grade school for extra lessons. One, on developing sentence structure. Two, the proper use of capitalizations. Three, recess and a nap.
Posted by: depravedmaniac | September 11, 2008, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm
I just read an article from Lynn Sweet from the Chicago Tribune who gave Palin a pass on this interview but I couldn’t disagree with her more. Anyone who gives her a pass on not even knowing what the Bush Doctrine is, or repeating scripted answers that were never followed up with any depth of knowledge, to repeating the same answer 3 times regarding Israel. Giving this a pass is being is jeopardizing this nations future.
Posted by: kayT | September 11, 2008, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm
Becca: The only reason world leaders want Obama to become president is because they want to deal with a minority like themselves and they think he is an easy touch. There are a lot of minorities in Europe and Obama fits the bill. However, he is not ready to run a country and I think they are aware of it. Of course, he has Biden to help him and he will need plenty of help.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | September 11, 2008, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm
Lisa Chinn wrong on Sarah palin!!!!!!!!!
Lisa, Charlie, Diane and the rest I have a question. Is Obama going to give you guys cabinet positions???? Are you going to get kickbacks, maybe a nice Rolex watch? I was just wondering what was in it for you all.
Posted by: jean | September 11, 2008, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm
Actually Tom, they went back to Mondale, who had. Spiro Agnew, probably not, but there’s a chance given Maryland’s proximity to Washington. Lyndon Johnson certainly. Richard Nixon probably. We know she tossed that answer out with great conviction but not a clue as to whether it was true. That’s going to be her MO I suspect.
Posted by: keller | September 11, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
I apologize for spelling elite incorrectely. I was typing too fast.
Posted by: DBTenn | September 11, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
She didn’t even know what the Bush Doctrine was. Good lord, we want this woman to be inches from the presidency? Nice caption for this though, “Moose in the Headlights”. That about explains her interview.
Posted by: Xander | September 11, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
I think Charlie should get a D- for the way he asked the questions. I agree he was very condescending, i.e., a jerk. He let his personal prejudices come thru his tone and body language. I’m sure he would have come across much differently if she were a male.
Posted by: Carolyn | September 11, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
Never apologize its a sign of weakness and Repub’s will swarm on you.
Posted by: Lukeskytalker | September 11, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
Excuse me Ms. Chin, but I didn’t know “history” was limited to the last 32 years. Gov. Palin did not say “many other VP nominees in the last 32 years…”, she said “many other VP nominees in history…”. Her statement is factually correct. Aside from being humorous in its irony, for you to post a “Fact Check” report and call her “wrong” when it is you that is so obvioulsy wrong is just another example of how the rush to bring this woman down is only making mainstream media types look foolish. Please find something newsworthy to report on Ms Chin.
Posted by: Lonnie Loeffel | September 11, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
NY times has called ABC News liars. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
from the NY Times
The network teased the interview on its Web site this afternoon with this eye-popping bulletin: “Exclusive: Gov. Sarah Palin warns war may be necessary if Russia invades another country.”
But the transcript showed that she was merely repeating Mr. McCain’s position and had not used provocative language. And we’re wondering if the McCain camp is reconsidering its selection of ABC, since it hyped the teaser to sound like Ms. Palin was ready to press the button.
Posted by: StopTheBias | September 11, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
I think Sarah Palin just turned the buckshot on herself…
Maybe she can start a Moose Burger franchise. That sounds about right given her “experience”.
Duh…what’s the Bush Doctrine?
Posted by: Dying Moose | September 11, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm
Liberals says “She wants war with Russia”
If NATO members are attacked all the members are obligated to defend. It is in the treaty.
Go and ask the same question to Lord Obama, He will give the same answer.
Posted by: adam | September 11, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm
I’m voting Dem. but this is a cheap smear of Palin. She specifically said, “if you go BACK in History”. That does not mean RECENT History alone. This report should win the “Low Class Reporting Award” for this presidential campaign. I dislike Palin and it even angers me to see such garbage on a so-called serious news site!
Posted by: Mickey | September 11, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm
I will attack Russia she proclaims and charges with saber drawn sounding the battle cry Money Money Money we need more Money.
Posted by: polarbearkiller | September 11, 2008, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm
polarbearkill, go back to school, scumbag is one word. Now call me an elitist, I make six figures, have fun at Wal-Mart this weekend.
Posted by: Level_Headed | September 11, 2008, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm
This is absolutely ridiculous, and the Palin pick takes pandering way too far. What next? A lottery so that literally anyone can be VP? A few months ago I told a Republican friend of mine that no matter who wins, I’ll be proud of our new President. McCain’s VP pick, along with that “sex ed” ad he ran against Obama, has seriously undermined everything I respected about him.
Posted by: howard | September 11, 2008, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm
“I think Charlie should get a D- for the way he asked the questions. I agree he was very condescending, i.e., a jerk. He let his personal prejudices come thru his tone and body language. I’m sure he would have come across much differently if she were a male.”
Grow up Carolyn. He was twice as hard on Obama before Palin was even on the radar. I didn’t hear you complaining then. It’s not his fault Palin is so inept that she doesn’t even know about anything that even remotely relates to politics.
Posted by: Xander | September 11, 2008, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm
Joe Biden can handle anything Mrs Palin throws out. Remember she has children and a job….Joe Biden raised his children, when his wife and daughter were killed in an automobile accident which makes him a great Mom…A great Dad…and a GREAT SENATOR. Mrs Palin does not have Joe Bidens experience in office nor as a Single Parent…If she keeps it up she will talk herself right out of getting elected and that might not be a bad thing….Women…Yak Yak Yak
Posted by: Judy | September 11, 2008, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm
Ok, let us clarify, Gov. Palin said in history not recent history. ABC is using anything to slam Palin. Just another window into the liberal mind. Shock journalism prevails over real news on this network.
Posted by: sharon | September 11, 2008, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm
She wants to attack Russia, with what will she attack them with?
Posted by: ronnieraygun | September 11, 2008, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm
Sorry, meant Demnomore
Posted by: Level_Headed | September 11, 2008, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm
Obama, Biden clearly don’t get the wisdom of George Kutloff’s “Don’t think of an elephant”.
More obviously, the Senator’s army of supporters
(40% of which believe the attack on the twin towers was an inside job) don’t even know the book exists or the wisdom it imparts.
So much better for conservatives. I’ve been watching elections for 48 years and have never seen an electorate so blindly torpedoing it’s candidate.
If Senator Obama can survive the suicidal tendencies of democratic voters he will have proven himself to be a candidate of extraordinary resiliancy.
Posted by: J Carpenter | September 11, 2008, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm
Ann From FL
There are other stationd besides Farce News
Posted by: jim | September 11, 2008, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm
I was just wondering if they need any lettuce pickers up in Alaska??
Posted by: texmexborderjumper | September 11, 2008, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm
Ahh, what’s the Bush Doctrine?
Is Russia a country?
What does preemptive mean?
Aren’t the Merchant Marines the main branch of the U.S. Military?
Attack Iran? I thought we were in Iran.
Sunni? Wasn’t that the role James Caan played in “The Godfather”?
Hey, I know foreign policy, it’s foreign.
I’ve never met a foreign head of state, but I did once see God and he told me that evil is bad…boo…boo…boo.
No, I can’t explain how the earth is 5000 years old when scientists all over the globe and 3 year olds could tell me it’s at least 15 billion years old.
I believe I’m in way over my dumb little head.
Posted by: Rotten Moose Burger | September 11, 2008, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm
Seems to me Palin is just another Cheney only without experience. She’s hidden from public view until the exposure (damage) can be minimized or McBush needs a lightening rod to deflect. I guess some might say she is just another Cheney except with lipstick…
Posted by: Mike | September 11, 2008, 5:53 pm 5:53 pm
Gov. Sarah Palin will make a terrific Vice President.
Barack Hussein Obama is toast, and he’s very scared because the main stream media, and all the king’s men, cannot put Barack Hussein Obama back together again…
Posted by: Former Democrat | September 11, 2008, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm
Oh, yeah…she’s ready…to pretend to be a “decider”…oh, wait, didn’t we just have one of those?
Posted by: burnt moose | September 11, 2008, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm
Sarah Palin’s Foreign Policy
Credentials: 0
Barack Obama’s Foreign Policy Credentials:
a)Reached across the aisle to co-sponsor the Lugar-Obama Act which reduced the number of nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction in the hands of terrorists and rogue states (yes, Sarah Palin, Obama has authored a lot more than 2 books).
http://obama.senate.gov/press/060523-lugar-obama_bil/
b) Republican Sentator Lugar and Obama traveled to Russia, to Russia, Ukraine and Azerbaijan to oversee the dismantling of nuclear weapons supported by their bill.
c) While the Republicans made fun of Senator Obama for reaching out to the allies that President Bush has alienated over the past 8 years, he laid the foundation for better relations with the HEADS OF STATE of Germany, France, the United Kingdom, Israel, and Jordan.
d)Republicans ridiculed Obama because 200,000 Germans were so THRILLED that we might have a new, intelligent President instead of the idiotic Bush that they stopped burning the American flag and started waving it!!! The Obama campaign’s biggest mistake was not fighting back against that stupid celebrity add by pointing out the simple fact that America will be MORE secure when our allies are willing to cooperate with us and when they LIKE US AGAIN than we are now with this idiotic Bush-McCain foreign policy (attack first, think later) which has alienated all of them.
e) If you think that a former beauty queen whom it took 5 tries to graduate from college in 6 years has the smarts to understand the complexities of Middle Eastern politics, the nuances of U.S.-Russia relations, and mine field of relations with Iran and North Korea, then you might as well just get your children and grandchildren ready to go and fight in some other made-up war! McCain is even more of a war-monger than Bush, and just because Palin is happy to have her son go off and fight in a war that should have never been waged doesn’t give her the right to threaten to restart the Cold War with Russia!
Posted by: Anna | September 11, 2008, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm
I’LL do the thinnin around here Bob-alueee and dooon’t you for get it.
Posted by: QuicksdrawMcGraw | September 11, 2008, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm
Talk about VPs, She can always say she invented something as Gore did. The liberal media bought that jazz.
Posted by: dan | September 11, 2008, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm
That’s funny… I thought that the U.S. Vice President and President had been around longer than 32 years… I guess I ‘m WRONG about that too.
Posted by: Brent | September 11, 2008, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm
Charlie was condescending? Even if he was, why should that matter? She should be able to handle that with ease.
If she can’t handle Charlie Gibson, (and if McCain can’t even handle Larry King, as seems to be the case), we’re in a whole heap of trouble if these two end up representing us in the world.
Posted by: jrcjr | September 11, 2008, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm
“Gov. Sarah Palin will make a terrific Vice President.
Barack Hussein Obama is toast, and he’s very scared because the main stream media, and all the king’s men, cannot put Barack Hussein Obama back together again..”
Are you watching the same election that we are? Palin just blew herself up. The people wanted to know what her stances are on the issues, and she didn’t even know what the issues were.
Posted by: Xander | September 11, 2008, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm
ALL I have to say is
(#_#)
Boy you think Pres Bush is ahem .. dumb
No wonder they hide her from everybody . She went to 5 schools to get a simple degree. need we say more.
In November can we stop all the circus and elect the most educated person who is Barack ; I am tired of us being the jokes of the world.
Posted by: mark | September 11, 2008, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm
“Talk about VPs, She can always say she invented something as Gore did. The liberal media bought that jazz”
You do realize that Al Gore never claimed that he invented the internet right? Welcome to the world of the GOP, where they’ll take anything out of context (read “lipstick; pig”) and turn it around to use against you.
Posted by: Xander | September 11, 2008, 5:58 pm 5:58 pm
Can anyone tell me please do they need lettuce picker up in Alaska?
Posted by: texmexborderjumper | September 11, 2008, 5:58 pm 5:58 pm
Did Obama ever meet with any head of state before he went on his world tour in July? Lets get a fact check on that!! and he is running for president not vice president Did anyone ever ask him that question, this is bull.
Posted by: Kim | September 11, 2008, 5:58 pm 5:58 pm
If she wasn’t exactly sure of everything that the Bush Doctrine entails, then that should be proof positive that a McCain/Palin administration would NOT be a THIRD BUSH TERM.
Obviously it’s not a policy that all Republicans are spoon-fed every morning with their Cheerios…………
Posted by: Lee | September 11, 2008, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm
She actual believs were on a mission from God. How many times has she watched the Blue Brothers movie??? “Were on a mission from God” Jake and Elwood Blues she needs to acknowledge her quote.
Posted by: polarbearkiller | September 11, 2008, 6:01 pm 6:01 pm
“If she wasn’t exactly sure of everything that the Bush Doctrine entails, then that should be proof positive that a McCain/Palin administration would NOT be a THIRD BUSH TERM.”
Erm, I think you’re confused about the description of the Bush Doctrine as well. She obviously needs to know about the Bush Doctrine, because she wants to go to war with Russia unprovoked.
Posted by: Xander | September 11, 2008, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm
John Adams had never met a head of state. Of course, there were no airplanes then.
Posted by: keller | September 11, 2008, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm
I’d like to get her to pose for my magizne do a profile on her & Cindy together.
Posted by: hughhefner | September 11, 2008, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm
Back to the cramming sessions for Palin. She gave generic responses showing at times uncertainty. McCain has made a serious judgment error with such an inexperienced person with this choice. Gibson exceeded exceptions with his questions.
Posted by: Lou R | September 11, 2008, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm
She wants to attack Russia, with what will she attack them with?
Posted by: ronnieraygun | Sep 11, 2008 9:49:58 PM
_______________________________________
I hope the REINDEERS in her state can pick up ARMS to fight.
People around the world must be having a good laugh.
My sister is very angry , saying they are using this woman; and how does that help women who might be qualified in the future.
Posted by: raymond | September 11, 2008, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm
Hallelujah. It must be Revelations! How does this presumptuous tramp expect to change Washington if she does not even know what “The Bush Doctrine” is? After all, it is the basis upon which this imbecile we call our current president waged an illegal war with a sovereign nation, trampled upon the Constitution of this country, compelled the Justice Department to reinterpret the Geneva Convention and has imperiled the U.S. to a point unforeseen before 9/11.
Posted by: Sure I'm Ready... | September 11, 2008, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm
Well, the bottom line is this. What would you do as Vice President if the time came for him or her to run the country? SO YOU DO NOT THINK BIDEN OR PALIN NEED ANY EXPERIENCE TO RUN THE COUNTRY? I THOUGHT EVERYBODY STATED THAT OBAMA IS INEXPERIENCED??? CAN YOU GUYS MAKE UP Y0UR MINDS? ELECT PEOPLE WHO ATLEAST HAVE A WORKING KNOWLEDGE OF THE JOB….CAN A PERSON TEACH….WHO HAS NO EXPERIENCE TEACHING OR GUIDING? I WONDER WHO IS GOING TO WIN THIS ELECTION! I AM REALLY NERVOUS ABOUT THIS ELECTION!
Posted by: lisa | September 11, 2008, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm
We want change. We want change. We want change.We want change.We want change.We want change.We want change.We want change.We want change.We want change.
Let’s elect the newest member of the good ole boy network. We can put a old good ole boy next to him to tell him what to think.
Posted by: Whatever | September 11, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm
Governor Palin announced the Alaskan Schools would start to teach faith based math.
Posted by: Saddlesablazing | September 11, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm
forget INTERVIEWS, how about DEBATES
Will Sarah Plain be able to stand the heat? I am really tired of all this name calling, you can agree to disagree in a respectful manner after all we are All AMERICANS
Posted by: Pat | September 11, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm
I can’t believe how some people are so well the fact is stupid to believe Sarah Palin is qualified to be President. That’s why we are in the situation we are in now with Bush. Come on people, don’t be so STUPID.
Posted by: kathyhorton | September 11, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm
Perhaps your historical research should extend past your own lifetime, dear. Your own slipshod research speaks to your agenda: Smear Sarah Palin at any cost. Who knew that agenda would besmirch your own journalistic credibility? Congratulations,you are now qualified to participate in the national news media and the death of integrity in journalism.
As for ABC NEWS—
Every woman in this country who has ever faced condescending, patronizing and snide sexual bigotry recognizes that “nice guy” Charlie Gibson personifies their own nasty experience in this interview.
Each and every disappointed Hillary supporter shares the pain and recognition of rampant sexism.
Posted by: Peggy Ruppe | September 11, 2008, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm
NRA announced they were starting a airborn wolf hunting program for Governor Palin’s family to enjoy on their flights back home.
Posted by: wolfhuntingfromplanes | September 11, 2008, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm
People are grasping at anything to try and justify such a pathetic performance.
The rest of your 15 minutes will soon be over. Perhaps a reality show would be in order?
Posted by: Too Funny | September 11, 2008, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm
The problem with Palin’s responses tonight was that Palin showed herself as lacking in knowledge about just about everything. Her answers were stock “good ol’ USA” type answers like “we should go after terrorists wherever they lurk”. It was like listening to a 3rd grade “Up with the USA” primer. Gibson was not baiting her – he was asking her legitimate questions. She was so clearly a rookie tonight – she was nervous, frightened, hardly Vice Presidential material. I sincerely hope that the next set of questions focuses even more on international issues as well as on the ongoing investigation into Troopergate. It is thoroughly embarrassing to have a VP candidate who is under investigation in their home state – with all of the stellar possible candidates out there, McCain picked this dud. Incredible. And terrifying, all at the same time. Do we really not care if we have educated, intelligent, thoughtful leaders or do we really want to elect McCain and his “trophy VP”, the political version of Paris Hilton?
Posted by: mr5186 | September 11, 2008, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm
Charlie was like so totally unfair to me. I mean, like, Thomas’s and Abe’s VP hadn’t met a foreign guy.
Posted by: Sarah Palin | September 11, 2008, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm
I’d like to have heard her explination of charging rape victems for the rape test. But so far he hasn’t asked any real tough questions of her.
Posted by: Ernest T Bass | September 11, 2008, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm
Sure I’m Ready- you are an idiot, if you disagree with the lady that’s fine, but there is no need to call her out of her name, this is the reason why people will get pissed off and vote for this woman regardless, because of idiots like you that can’t stick to the issues but makes this a female denegration match, you are doing a diservice to us all.
Posted by: Kim | September 11, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
This crazy woman is stupid enough to say a ten year old rape victem should be forced to deliver a baby if made pregnant by the rape.
Posted by: depravedmaniac | September 11, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
This reporter Lisa C. is probably getting herself into some embarrassment purposedly, for Palin to shine later. You cannot just do your fact-checking on 32-year period of a history of more than 200 years. Either you do a fact-checking on the entire +200-year history or you don’t. The fact-checking piece sounds very fishy. The Obama’s camp better not bite this bait.
Posted by: ablanche08 | September 11, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
We are in a crisis as far as world respect is concerned and Sarah Palin’s ignorance and lack of understanding of the mid-east can only aggravate the situation. The Republicans have been unwilling and are unable to deal with any situation abroad diplomatically and the naive and threatening tone of Sarah Palin’s remarks bring clear light to her lack of knowledge and her inexperience. Feisty, bullying, aggressive, callous and frankly, wrong statements in regard to our foreign involvement and the role of VPs (and yes, they have all met with foreign heads of state)reflect her shallow and limited views that come from her xenophobic attitudes.
The policies she and McCain advocate have cost this nation to lose our integrity and standing in the world community, have contributed to major economic disaster and have cost our nation too much money and too many lives in a country in which we never had any business. Creating chaos in the mid-east has not rendered any positive effect in the region. If anything, we are in more danger because we have chosen to abuse political power and plow through the area with no real plan.
Sarah Palin may be a hockey mom – big deal!
Yes, women deserve to be in positions of governmental power – the experienced, the prepared and the diplomatically capable women. Possibly Palin may be a heartbeat away from the Presidency. McCain is an older man with a history of illness.
Truthfully, I’d rather have a VP who has done a little more than look at the chilly eastern plains of Russia from a teeny weeny little rural Mayoral office in Alaska.
Posted by: Shenoa | September 11, 2008, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm
Bulldog got spanked. Can lipstick cover up this debacle?
Posted by: awe, poor bulldog | September 11, 2008, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm
The way I see it if obama is ready in day 1 then Palin is more than ready in day 2. By the way, these media talking like McCain is going to drop dead on Jan 19th.
I’ve never watched charlie gibson and glad so. He’s such an arrogant piece of thing. Not so much about his questions but the way he looks down on Palin, lean back, tapped his crossed-leg feet, and hurrying to ask the next question. He definitely thinks his questions are more important than her answers. Journalism in America is shameful. Journalists think they’re god who can ruin or rise anyone’s reputation. This Gibson, I bet he’s begging for an interview and got so high of himself to act the way he does. There’s absolutely no respect for the candidate. His behavior made me turn off the channel and will not watch it tomorrow either. I was very interested and look forward to this interview but he really disgusted me the way he acts. I just have to judge Palin in the next interview where there’s mutual respect.
Posted by: hannah | September 11, 2008, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm
ABC probably justifies this focus on only one of the four candidates as providing us insights into this unknown aspirant — assuming we already know all we need to know about the other three. What ABC is actually doing is garnering great publicity for itself and elevating this unknown character to even greater national recognition — even if she does expose some of her weaknesses and flaws. Is this ABC’s idea of neutrality as a news network? I hardly think so.
Posted by: Gordon Streeb | September 11, 2008, 6:16 pm 6:16 pm
I’m watching Anderson Cooper’s 360 right now and even Candy Crowly and David Gergen said she performed well in the interview and didn’t “step in it” so to speak. They say when Gibson asked her bluntly “do you believe in the ‘Bush Doctrine’?”, that the question was unfair because the Media doesn’t even use the term “Bush Doctrine” when explaining Bush’s doctrine of pre-emptive strike. When CNN is complementing her, especially after attempting to tear her down so much, then you know she performed well. Liberals are in trouble in November and they know it.
Posted by: Matt | September 11, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
I can name tons of former vp in our country’s 236year history that have not met a foreign head of state.
This question was intended to be a negative attack on Palin kind of like PUSH POLLING.
Gibson was very condescending in tone & body language to her. It was not really an interview, more an attempt by the liberal media to try to stumble her.
SHE DID A GREAT JOB BY NOT TAKING THE BAIT.
Posted by: Calston | Sep 11, 2008 9:30:54 PM
….
Calson, I totally agree with your observation. Charlie Gibson’s body language and tone seemed determine to trap her on a question, and he could not. He even seemed impatient to let her complete her answer so that he could hammer her with a repeated question. She was steadfast and unflappable. She does not have to use umms and uhs to make a conversation on a subject. What does having met a head of state have to do with being able to do a job? Many members of Congress may have met many heads of state, but what does that say about leadership ability? Maybe, she needs a rock concert in Germany to qualify for the VP position, or even the Presidential position.
Go Palin!
McCain/Palin ’08
Posted by: georgia | September 11, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
Peggy Ruppe.
Once again, I will say this. Grow up. She wants to be treated like one of the “guys” on this campaign trail, then she has to learn to take the shots like one. Quit hiding behind the damn sexism issue. It is just pathetic at this point. Gibson tore into Obama far before Palin ever walked her “5 tries to get 1 college degree” loafers on the platform. No Repubs were complaining then. It’s time to grow up and face the facts. This woman isn’t qualified to run a PTA board let alone a country.
Posted by: Xander | September 11, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
Todd Palin had better watch out, all those millionare Republican males have a stiffy for Sarah and they have the bucks to lure her astray.
Posted by: depravedmaniac | September 11, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
I too, USED to respect Charlie Gibson after all these years of watching him; however, i have NEVER seen him act so condescending and disrespectful to a person he was interviewing (not even murderers!!!) than he was to Sarah tonight. Charlie you obviously have issues…like Obama, with a strong woman (or should I say a strong republican woman)…you TALKED DOWN to her, like you were her father, peering over your glasses like you were her high school teacher giving a lecture to a bad student. You were a disgrace.
Now to Sarah – SHE RULED – she did a SUPER job – yes, she was wired and ready to go because after two week of being attacked, she came out Strong…and then when she encountered Mr. Gibson’s demeaning behavior, you could tell she KNEW what he was trying to do – trying to knock her DOWN – and he FAILED MISERABLY. ABCNEWS, you should be ashamed of this interview – because of Charlie. Oh well, it just proved that Sarah is strong stuff! She was great and I am ever MORE INSPIRED and in Awe of her!! GO SARAH!!! GO McCAIN!!!
Posted by: m | September 11, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
When are you going to “fact check” Gibson’s error on his “exact quote” which was exactly wrong about what Palin said on whether the Iraq mission was from God?
Posted by: Anon | September 11, 2008, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm
There is a difference between EXPERIENCE and not EDUCATED.
Miss palin can be governor of alaska for the next 10 years and gather all this so call experience’ she still would not be fit to run for any major office ,reason is she doesn’t have enough education.
Now Barack have the education, And once you have that, you are ahead by MILES over anybody who have been sitting in office for 10 20 years who DOESN’T have the SMARTS and WASN’T EDUCATED ENOUGH.
AND THATS A FACT.
Posted by: s.s | September 11, 2008, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm
“yes, she was wired and ready to go because after two week of being attacked”
Actually, the only thing that she’s been “Attacked” on is her views on policies and issues that actually matter. Everything else was fabricated by the GOP. How gullible are people in this country, I mean really?
Posted by: Xander | September 11, 2008, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm
I wonder if Bill Clinton ever met a former head of state while Governor of the large and worldly state of Arkansas? I wonder if Sen. Obama ever met a foreign head of state prior to his European road-trip?
Just wondering…
Posted by: airmarshll | September 11, 2008, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
This is beyond a joke now – she hasn’t got a clue! This was like watching an underqualified applicant BS their way through an interview. She didn’t even know what the Bush Doctrine was!! It’s only been the bench mark for our foriegn policy for the last six years! I have been a harsh Bush critic over the years but this farse will make me long for the Bush years if she even sniffs the Oval Offiice.
Posted by: freedomfighter1975 | September 11, 2008, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
Raymond: she will cross the Berring Strait with the MOOSE lodge.
Posted by: linda n carolina | September 11, 2008, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
So what else would you expect from a member of the liberal owned media to say about such a non-issue such as this? If its Palin, its a “lack of experience” – if it were Biden, it’d be a “fresh, untainted perspective”.
c’mon media…better get your spin on better than that.
Posted by: Lovesthiscountry | September 11, 2008, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
COME ON, ABC. Palin referenced all VP CANDIDATES, not just (winning) VPs. And I sincerely doubt that every previous VP CANDIDATE has/had met heads of state. I disagree with Palin on almost every issue, yet I still felt Charlie Gibson’s interview was a would-be hatchet job. I’m sure he felt a lot of pressure to “be tough” on her in her first interview, but he delivered his questions in shoddy fashion and it was a colossal disappointment.
Posted by: Cardsgal | September 11, 2008, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
Sarah Palin’s lack of knowledge of world affairs is understandable. She has been focused on running her state. John McCain’s motives in selecting her as his running mate were not sincere but cynical.
Posted by: adelle | September 11, 2008, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm
First, ABC was accused of being “too liberal” and “unfair” to Pallin…now they are being accused of making up history.
Do you people not have anything better to do with your brains?
Posted by: G jordan | September 11, 2008, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm
Obama said in being a mayor as to helping in a city they ,have the hardest for they have to make sure all jobs are done like triming trees filling the pot holes making sure garbage is picked up he didn’t say THEY HAD TO DO IT JUSY MAKE SURE THE JOBS WERE DONE,,,,durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr like how you twisted the words and the meaning jerks like you make this election funnnnnnn
Posted by: indp voter | September 11, 2008, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm
Charlie took it way too easy on her. And why, may I ask, did he not point out this information during the interview and correct her then. It was an embarrassing interview for her and it was frightening for our nation if she were to be elected. She and McCain need to stop the swagger talk about Russia and learn all the facts about Georgia instead of what their lobbyists are telling them.
Posted by: American Voter | September 11, 2008, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm
Obama Personally knows, terrorists, racists and a “God D’mn” America self proclaimed Rev. But No Head Of State Prior To His Mystical Magical Tour!!! Obama has Never Changed Nothing From The Ground UP!!!!
Posted by: Voteing McCain/Palin'08' | September 11, 2008, 6:23 pm 6:23 pm
Entire Republican campaign is cynical. More of the same diversion and distraction. On Education, Energy, Economy, Iraq, Medical Coverage, they are on the wrong side. Cynical choices breed cynical voters, and towards the Republican ticket, no cynicism can possibly keep up with the misrepresentations and outright lies of their ugly, perverse campaign. I wish to god that the media would challenge the smug, vindictive and nasty accusations that they level. McCain and Palin are bereft of ideas, empty of content, and expect the media to play along. Get real, the world is a complicated place, and dressing a moose doesn’t mean a thing in this world if you’ve never needed a passport. Here’s a news flash for the media…we don’t need a VP who needs to learn on the job, or a President who picks as his number two, a woman he met once two years ago, and spoke to on the phone for 15 minutes. More Republican “Go with my gut” policy like the last 8 years? NO, NO, NO.
Posted by: lynbrookbrown | September 11, 2008, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm
“Obama said in being a mayor as to helping in a city they ,have the hardest for they have to make sure all jobs are done like triming trees filling the pot holes making sure garbage is picked up he didn’t say THEY HAD TO DO IT JUSY MAKE SURE THE JOBS WERE DONE,,,,durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr like how you twisted the words and the meaning jerks like you make this election funnnnnnn”
I love when people make stuff up just to fuel a fight. Kind of like the GOP :D
Posted by: Xander | September 11, 2008, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm
@Mark…..Al Gore said In a March 1999 interview with Wolf Blitzer, Gore said, “During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet.”
Oh I see….he has god like powers and only humans invent….but he creates. Geez, it was a poor attempt at trying to get credit for something…but he did say it.
Posted by: mike | September 11, 2008, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm
Yeah it’s tough when someone actually asks softball questions and she is such a ditz she can’t answer them. She can certainly talk a line of BS, which seems to impress people like hannah. Guess a ditz can’t tell another ditz.
Posted by: JHancock | September 11, 2008, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm
Why didn’t she just say “No, I have not. I was too busy running Alaska.”
Why so quick to lie? Maybe she doesn’t do very well when she doesn’t have a teleprompter.
I didn’t now the GOP was such a bunch of whiners. They’re always telling other people to get a spine, now they’re going all PC on me.
Posted by: Mama Rose | September 11, 2008, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm
She’s just not ready to hold this position. She is wrong for this country and she is definitely wrong for women.
She walks all over her staff and her constituents and she’ll walk all over YOU. She does not care about YOU and she does not care about making this country safe and prosperous.
She will follow Israel into Iran and will sacrifice our troops, spend our remaining dollars and throw away what little respect we have left in this world.
Stop this ENDLESS war!
http://nosarahpalin.blogspot.com/
Posted by: Vote On Issues, Not Gender | September 11, 2008, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm
you have to be kidding me about this story right? she is running for VP not PRESIDENT! she will meet foreign head of states when she becomes VP.. and they will then actually sit and talk to her because she is a VP..this is just ridiculous at what lengths dems and reporters that dem leaning are going to when it comes to a WOMAN!
so if they go on a codel and meet someone for lets say 5 min a hi and a bye as a senator that counts as foreign experience? u really have to be kidding
me..
I was going to vote democratic however now no way no how…
Posted by: sokadija | September 11, 2008, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm
Charlie did everything, but put a leash on her!
You go Charlie!
But then again she’s the one who compared herself to a dog – woof woof!
Posted by: Truth Before Prophets | September 11, 2008, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm
So she’s only “wrong” if YOU limit it to recent history, which she did not. This does not help the Dems at all….
Posted by: Angry Black Democrat | September 11, 2008, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm
and the title of this article as with alot of reporting is so misleading .. so gerald ford had no foreign experience? how about lbj? before he became vP how about truman or is that such a distant past that it doesn;t count anymore
and i can;t beleive i am defending ms. palin…
OMG
Posted by: sokadija | September 11, 2008, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm
The US is over 230 year old, not 30 years old. This is reporting. It’s tainted editorial.
Posted by: inquirefordetails | September 11, 2008, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm
sokadija god forbid something happens to McCain, Palin would take over. Do you want this country in her hands, I don’t.
Posted by: zz | September 11, 2008, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm
American Voter: Just what are all the facts about Georgia and Russia? Which country invaded which country?
Posted by: georgia | September 11, 2008, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm
This has nothing to do with this topic, but there was no where else to post this. In the Cnn forum there was a debate between john and Barack, and Barack actually said that without government there would be no civil rights act. Excuse me didnt his camp rail on Hillary for saying that Mlk needed LBJ to the act past. That ticks me off.
Posted by: rachel | September 11, 2008, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm
After re-watching the interview, Cardsgal was 100% correct – Gov.Palin indeed was referencing “ALL” the VP candidates, not just the winning ones. Given Sen.Biden’s “You cannot go to a 7-11 or Dunkin Donuts in Deleware unless you have a slight Indian Accent” comment, I’d say I feel a little bit better with Gov.Palin meeting with the Prime Ministers of India or Pakistan over thier nukes than Sen.Biden anyday.
Posted by: Lovesthiscountry | September 11, 2008, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm
It only took 13 days for her to utter her first non-scripted remark. And yes, it looked like she had a set of prepared answers for the most likely set of questions. I doubt her buddy Charlie is about to call her on any of the lies she’s been telling on the campaign trail, but again, I’m sure her handlers have a set of prepared answers for those.
And for those of you who don’t think Obama is qualified, in the 13 days Palin spent repeating the same lines, and trying to prepare for a single interview with a softball reporter, Obama has given 7 interviews, ranging from Letterman to O’reilly.
http://palincounter.blogspot.com/
Posted by: Bill | September 11, 2008, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm
“she will meet foreign head of states when she becomes VP”
When McBush and Palin keep preaching about how much more Foreign Policy experience Palin has over Obama, then yes she has to back it up. And she can’t. As McCain put it, “She has plenty of foreign policy experience, since she lives in Alaska. That’s really close to Russia.” So by that standard since I live near the ocean, I must be a Marine Biologist?
Posted by: Xander | September 11, 2008, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm
just read some comments, did gibson actually say the “Bush Doctrine”?? Where did he even get that phrase, from airhair liberals. it’s unbelievable.
Posted by: hannah | September 11, 2008, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm
“American Voter: Just what are all the facts about Georgia and Russia? Which country invaded which country?”
According to McCain (and his advisor, who happens to be a lobbyist for Georgia), Russia struck first. According to everyone else, Georgia provoked the attack. Take your pick.
Posted by: Xander | September 11, 2008, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm
She was wonderful – just like a home coming queen. I don’t carewhat she knows, I like her glasses. I’m voting for Palin!
Posted by: GOP 4 EVER | September 11, 2008, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm
The more Palin opens her mouth the more the wheels will come off the McSame Express -no wonder they’ve been hidding her.
Posted by: freedomfighter1975 | September 11, 2008, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm
I have to give Charlie credit for doing a really good job in part 1 of his interview. He really pressed her on Iraq, the Bush Doctrine(which she didn’t know amazingly), and what the U.S. response should be to more Russian aggression in Georgia. I hope we hear questions about her stance on global warming, “Troopergate”, and other controversies surrounding her.
Posted by: Mike | September 11, 2008, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm
Xander, so what kind of foreign experience obama has before his world tour (after being pushed to do so?), oh wait, it’s 5 years of his childhood in a Muslim country. Wow!!! hit me in the head to figure that out.
Posted by: hannah | September 11, 2008, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm
Umm, hannah…That policy was set in place after September 11th by President Bush. It basically states that if we have reason to believe that an attack will take place against us, that we have every right to make a preemptive strike against the “aggressor”. That’s how Bush was able to attack Iraq in the first place. It’s a widely known doctrine, and has been in place for the last 7 years.
Posted by: Xander | September 11, 2008, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm
You have actually not been correct in what you said she said. She said, if you look back in history other vp candidates “may” not have met foreign heads of state. You are the one who did not go back and check all vp candidates. She did not say some vp candidates had not met heads of state. She said there ‘may’ have been some who didn’t. And, in fact, she is absolutely correct. There were several.
Posted by: Barbara | September 11, 2008, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm
Charles Gibson was rude. His facial expressions indicated he had had no respect for her and was there only to make her look as bad as possible. He USED to be a gentleman.
Gee, I never heard him ask OBAMA why he hasn’t released his birth certificate. That should be of major concern.
Posted by: Sandy | September 11, 2008, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm
as for the bush doctrine – i didn;t even know it .. jsut call it a premeptive strike… really …. hello.. speak everyday speak and not college poitical science jargon.. which i learned in college way back when… that is where they use the word doctrine and maybe in high school when u learn about the monroe doctirne.. anyone out there remeber that one? LOL
Posted by: sokadija | September 11, 2008, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm
“Barack Hussein Obama is toast, and he’s very scared because the main stream media, and all the king’s men, cannot put Barack Hussein Obama back together again…” You’re right. God please bless America because we’re DOOMED.
What if John McCain were a former president of the Harvard Law Review?
What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating class?
What if McCain were still married to the first woman he said ‘I do’ to? What
if Obama were the candidate who left his first wife after she no longer
measured up to his standards?
What if Mich elle Obama were a wife who not only became addicted to pain
killers, but acquired them illegally through her charitable organization?
What if Cindy McCain graduated from Harvard? What if Obama were a member of
the ‘Keating 5′? What if McCain was a charismatic, eloquent speaker?
If these questions reflected reality, do you really believe the election
numbers would be as close as they are?
This is what racism does. It covers up, rationalizes and minimizes positive
qualities in one candidate and emphasizes negative qualities in another when
there is a color difference.
Posted by: lisahussein | September 11, 2008, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm
Xander, are you an idiot, of course it was Russia that invaded Georgia. South Essetia is inside Georgia in case you think Essetia is inside Russia’s.
Posted by: hannah | September 11, 2008, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm
Bill wrote “…And for those of you who don’t think Obama is qualified, in the 13 days Palin spent repeating the same lines, and trying to prepare for a single interview with a softball reporter, Obama has given 7 interviews, ranging from Letterman to O’reilly.”
C’mon Bill, those weren’t interviews, those were Obama love-in’s. I know factually that Letterman was prepared by Obamas staff before he came on the show.
Posted by: Lovesthiscountry | September 11, 2008, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm
She was never friends with the radical left: Ayers, Rev. Wright, Father Pfleger, Bernadine Dorhn, etc. Obama had not even travelled to a NATO country until July 2008. She is far more experienced than Obama.
Posted by: Colonel Reb | September 11, 2008, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm
Hannah, your racism is amazing. Why do people automatically go to the “muslim” thing? Since when did we abolish the Freedom of Religion? Stop being so damn hypocritical and try having an open mind to other cultures. Even if he were a muslim (which he’s not, as it’s been proven over and over and over AND over again), it shouldn’t matter. Don’t judge people based on their personal beliefs. That’s like me saying that, because I’m an athiest, that any form of religion is wrong and stupid and the people that practice it are all terrorists. Sounds kind of stupid doesn’t it?
Posted by: Xander | September 11, 2008, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm
Charley when you asked the question if she (Palin) has the experience and felt “ready” to deal with international affairs.
Naturally, she is going to say yes.
What else would you expect her to say.
Phrase the question as, “Gov. Palin what international experiences have you had as governor over the past year and half as governor?”
That forces her to provide actual documented experiences. Then Charley needs to probe her response instead of just letting it slide.
This is the failing of most if not all interviewers, they never ask the second, third, or fourth questions to “dig” out the answer. Basically, they are providing a forum for them give their “canned” talking points.
Posted by: dan hennessey | September 11, 2008, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm
“Mariann Pepitone” posted a load of BS above. “Mariann Pepitone”… now that’s a catchy little name. I am wondering how many Karl Rove operatives there are out there posting comments like yours, Miss Peppy Tone?
Where DOES Karl find people like you? He must go looking near freeway underpasses and flop houses, handing out joints and bottles of Thunderbird wine. When your senses are impaired, he drives you to the local library so you can use a public computer to post your garbage.
Check it out… almost EVERY post here that is defending Sarah’s “performance” is signed with a generic first and last name.
How fake is THAT????
I guarantee you people that 99% of those Pro-Sarah posts are FAKE. More Republican lies. Lies breeding like flies.
Posted by: lindsay | September 11, 2008, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm
“She was never friends with the radical left: Ayers, Rev. Wright, Father Pfleger, Bernadine Dorhn, etc. Obama had not even travelled to a NATO country until July 2008. She is far more experienced than Obama.”
So you’re saying that because she’s a far right religious extremist gun toting anti-gay anti-abortion anti-sex ed money wasting puppet, she’s got more experience? How interesting.
Posted by: Xander | September 11, 2008, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm
ok – now with the doctrine u can see the “eltism” coming out… why don;t u go to a “hick” town and ask them if they know the bush doctrine.. i’m pretty sure u would get blank looks, but say premptive strike and they will all understand u
speak “NORMAL” english and not “i’m better than u because i know all these terms”
and when u understand that u will understand the backlash starting against the DEMS .. how sad and i wanted to vote DEM oh well
Posted by: sokadija | September 11, 2008, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm
This country is the only nation in the world in which mediocrity is the highest qualification for public office. Intelligence, education, experience, and capability are considered to be elitist, and elitism goes against the small town values and “Mr. Smith Goes to Washington” mythology to which we adhere so religiously. While American corporations recruit the “best and brightest” to fill their executive ranks we are being asked to consider a presidential candidate who was at the bottom of his collegiate class and a VP candidate who’s sole claim to international experience is living across the Behring Sea from our primary global adversary. Other nations, such as the UK, have Oxford and Cambridge educated leaders who are schooled in banal subjects like law, economics, social policy, and international relations. Does anyone remember George Bush and Tony Blair making the case for the Iraq war in a joint press conference in 2002? In comparison to Mr. Blair, Bush came across as an illiterate buffoon barely able to construct a complete sentence. A vote for McCain/Palin is a vote for continued mediocrity. We deserve better.
Posted by: Chris in Texas | September 11, 2008, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm
Oh, Lisa, Lisa, Lisa…Sarah clearly said “if you go back in history” and not merely the last thirty years. I really can’t blame you for such blatant sophistry; Barack needs all the help he can get and you have graciously obliged…nothing new. Besides, since Barack obviously can’t stand toe to toe to McCain on experience, he simply has no choice but to mercilessly (and vacously) attack someone below his “pay grade.”
Posted by: bitterandclingingtomyhillary | September 11, 2008, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm
Come on folks. Don’t blame Palin for this. She is willing to serve this country regardless of her foreign policy experience. I think the other two (pawlenty and romney havent met foreign heads of state either) ridge and lieberman have but they were out of the question due to the myopic views of the GOP.
Let this play out and lets see what happens.
If anyone should be at fault. You guessed it! THE MAVERICK.
Posted by: Omentum | September 11, 2008, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm
I got my absentee voteing form today. I can’t waite to fill it out so I can vote for McCain/Palin early!!
Posted by: Voteing McCain In Ohio | September 11, 2008, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm
Alaska Business Monthly: We’ve lost a lot of Alaska’s military members to the war in Iraq. How do you feel about sending more troops into battle, as President Bush is suggesting?
Palin: I’ve been so focused on state government, I haven’t really focused much on the war in Iraq.
Posted by: Veteran | September 11, 2008, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm
“speak “NORMAL” english and not “i’m better than u because i know all these terms”
Yes, because it’s elitism to actually put forth the effort to learn about things. You do realize that I’m poor, shacked up with my folks, working a crap job for 40 hours a week to barely afford my gas and student loans, 28 year old white guy right? Of course not, because you just assumed otherwise. Intelligence is not elitism, it’s our god given right. So try boosting yours, it actually feels pretty good. Oh, and btw. I lived in a “hick town” for most of my live, thanks.
Posted by: Xander | September 11, 2008, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm
hmmm…Muslim is a religion, not a race. and yes, Indonesia would consider a Muslim country.
Posted by: hannah | September 11, 2008, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm
WOW! Let’s just break down what Palin said:
1) Russia launched an unprovoked attack on Georgia.
- this is a BLATANT LIE, it is public knowledge that the Georgians attacked South Ossetia and began bombing Tsinkhali in an preemptive unprovoked strike, having in fact bombed the main hospital in the city.
2) War with Russia is an option on the table.
- is Palin diluted or just ignorant beyong comprehension? Have we not forgotten Sarah, that Russia is armed with roughly 5000 nuclear warheads?
It pains me to no end to hear all of this Russia bashing, when in fact Russia is not in anyway an aggressor. In fact, Russia had a duty ensure the peace in the region of South Ossetia, and was following the directive of a UN resolution to restore the peace and ensure the safety of Ossetians (most of whom have Russian citizenship). Also take into account the US’s new missile defense system which essentially boxes in the Russians in the west, you begin to understand why the Russians could get upset.
Palin’s comments regarding Russia are entirely unfounded and with regards to her proposition on war, is she attempting usher in a dreaded nuclear showdown with the Russians???
Posted by: Larry | September 11, 2008, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm
Palin is wrong on a lot of things. Unfortunately for voters who buy her faux “hockey mom” packaging it will not matter.
Posted by: Ni | September 11, 2008, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm
Since you lefty’s claim that she doesnt even know the Bush doctrine, how on earth do you expect her to be following the Bush doctrine?
Give it a sock. Take a nap, breathe deeeply and relax the mind :) you will need it November 5th to get over the hang-over from the cool-aid :)
McCain Palin in November
Registered Democrat fro McCain Palin :)
Posted by: AsBee | September 11, 2008, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
OMG. Didn’t know what the Bush Doctrine is. Sorry people – if this doesn’t raise a red flag you’re as ignorant as she is. I live in a small northern town in Canada and I’m fully aware of the Bush Doctrine.
Why are you people so attracted to this militaristic way of being? It’s messed up. You never learn. Trillions of $ in debt and you want more?! Travel. Read. Stop watching American Idol. Get a grip on what the world is about! You’re a danger to the rest of us!
Posted by: Nancy | September 11, 2008, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
“Xander, are you an idiot, of course it was Russia that invaded Georgia. South Essetia is inside Georgia in case you think Essetia is inside Russia’s.”
True, but all signs point to Georgia provoking the attack. Remember, South Essetia wanted to break away from Georgia and rejoin Russia.
Posted by: Xander | September 11, 2008, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
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OMG. Didn’t know what the Bush Doctrine is. Sorry people – if this doesn’t raise a red flag you’re as ignorant as she is. I live in a small northern town in Canada and I’m fully aware of the Bush Doctrine.
Why are you people so attracted to this militaristic way of being? It’s messed up. You never learn. Trillions of $ in debt and you want more?! Travel. Read. Stop watching American Idol. Get a grip on what the world is about! You’re a danger to the rest of us!
”
I couldn’t agree more, and I live here…
Posted by: Xander | September 11, 2008, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm
Bush Doctrine = Getting Bushwacked for the Last 8 years! Right? Vote for the Mavricks, They’ll Reform DC !!!!
Posted by: NoTrustObama | September 11, 2008, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm
my dear friend xander.. if what u say is true about yourself.. then u need to grow up as my dad would say.. and by the way – so do I – the “hick town” thing… i know how to harvest corn, wheat, potatoes and many more as well as i have seen my grandparents kill various animals for survival.. and i can go on and on.. so do not make any presumptions about me and by the way I have an MBA to boot from a top 25 school
and guess what i also am an immigrant…
so go figure dude?
Posted by: sokadija | September 11, 2008, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm
“hmmm…Muslim is a religion, not a race. and yes, Indonesia would consider a Muslim country.”
What does that have to do with you being prejudice against the Muslim faith? Perhaps I said the wrong phrase to correlate with it, but the bigotry is there none the less.
Posted by: Xander | September 11, 2008, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm
Who does Charlie Gibson think he is? His smug, condescending demeanor during his interview with Sarah Palin was an embarrassment to ABC. It was quite obvious to me that not only does he not like her or her politics but feels that she is totally unqualified to be Senator McCain’s running mate. Prior to seeing this interview I thought Charlie Gibson was a capable news anchor who kept his political opinions to himself. I no longer feel that way, and feel that he should have been much more professional in his role as the first television anchor to interview Sarah Palin. His posturing and looking over his glasses down his nose at Governor Palin made one think that he had already made up his mind that he wasn’t going to accept any answer that she gave and was going to try to trick her up with something that would embarrass her both personally and professionally.
Posted by: Nancy Stump | September 11, 2008, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm
I think they’re the perfect match. Both aren’t worth all the news headlines that they’ve been give since she was named McCain’s partner in crime! Sometimes I wonder is there a DEM in the race or not because from what I’m seeing on ABC and all the other news organization I really don’t think they care if a DEM is in the race or not. I think they want it to be all about the old guy and his golden girl!
Posted by: bea smit | September 11, 2008, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm
Face it Palin has no idea about foreign policy and was given talking points by the McCain camp. She really didn’t answer the questions. She may be a governor but she’s in over her head as McCain’s vp and possible pres if something happens to him.
Posted by: zz | September 11, 2008, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm
we are now in a “beauty” contest. the neo-cons and “ditto” haeads have found their messiah. they could care less that she really has little knowledge of world affairs, other than one can see Russia from Alaska. She’s told her half truth so long, she now believes it. she’s no refomer, she’s vindictive and plays to the fears of those who have no clue…as evidenced by the comment above that no one would understand the question….bush doctrine?
Posted by: jerry | September 11, 2008, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm
It really needs to be reiterated that Palin was not incorrect. The fine print about the last 32 years says it all. I want to point out another erroneous report intended to defame Palin in the New YOrk Times today, where it was misreported that Palin claimed that the Alaskan governor’s jet was sold on EBay. The truthful statement was merely that the plane was put up for sale on EBay. It was a rhetorical expression intended to show a clear determination to get rid of it, nothing more.
Posted by: Dave J | September 11, 2008, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm
Palin hiding from questions
Since her Sept. 3 speech at the Republican convention, Palin has not given an interview until the ABC interview and has been working with a number of Bush White House aides on getting her up to speed on foreign and national policy.
Palin has so far not faced the questions raised shortly after her nomination. She has repeatedly said she shut down the infamous “Bridge to Nowhere,” when in fact she was originally a supporter of it and still kept the funds for pet projects in alaska.
She has promoted herself as a governor against earmark projects, but her record does not indicate that.
Palin is also under investigation by an Alaskan ethics committee for her firing of the state’s public safety commissioner for allegedly not bowing to her demands to fire her brother-in-law.
Palin has also been quiet while campaigning, and has stuck basically to the same speech she gave at the convention.
Reporters have been told by the McCain campaign that all Palin flights are to be off the record, which some reporters have objected to.
There is no word when Palin will do more interviews.
Posted by: Larry | September 11, 2008, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm
So you named 5 we had another 38 VP’s how many of them met head of states. Nobody is forcing you to like her or vote for her you don’t have to agree with her policies but wehter you like agree with her or not you gotto agree she dosn’t let herself be pushed around, isn’t that what we need in a leader? She never met Gibson before and she took him on just fine.
Posted by: abe | September 11, 2008, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm
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my dear friend xander.. if what u say is true about yourself.. then u need to grow up as my dad would say.. and by the way – so do I – the “hick town” thing… i know how to harvest corn, wheat, potatoes and many more as well as i have seen my grandparents kill various animals for survival.. and i can go on and on.. so do not make any presumptions about me and by the way I have an MBA to boot from a top 25 school
and guess what i also am an immigrant…
so go figure dude?
”
I made no presumptions about you at any time. You were the one who was presuming me to be something I’m not by calling me an elitist. Sad to say, I represent much of the core of today’s Middle class, thanks largely in part to Bush. Those of us who couldn’t afford to go through with college, and ended up working a job scraping by to survive. I have tried my hardest to succeed, but with the rise of costs with everything, including my medical bills (had a few life threatening issues growing up, no biggie :P ), it’s gotten to the point where I feel down and out. The government has done nothing but made it harder for me to survive. I do not blame them fully for my situation obviously, but they haven’t helped it in any way. That’s why I am so interested in Obama. He seems to really want to change things. McCain? Well, he just decided to become an advocate of change to try to best Obama. I don’t see him making the changes needed to help me and the millions like me.
Wow, that was a rant…
Posted by: Xander | September 11, 2008, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
Highly underwhelmed. I give it a C grade. I was expecting more. I was certain that this was an attempt for Schmidt/McCain to control the news cycle today, but looks like they will tomorrow. They accomplished their goal in that regard.
However, give me 10 days to prepare with some of the worlds finish political consultants and I’ll do a better job than her. I hear the “she’s one of us” point of view, but I don’t want “one of us” to be veep or possibly the President. Putin would absolutely make mince meat of her, and I am not a sexist in any way. She’s a far cry from Thatcher, or even Hillary in that regard. She comes across as too cutesy, too popular for the world stage. May work when looking for a prom date, but not with Bin Laden, Putin and the rest of the boys.
Nice try. Better luck next time.
Posted by: maurilius | September 11, 2008, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm
This is for FAE, who posted the comment that Obama is an embarrasement because he won’t show a college degree….she’s an idiot….it FACT, not mcbush fiction, that he was editor of the HARVARD review.. and in case FAE thinks it’s elitist, Gdub was went to YALE…the difference is GDUB is not smart
Posted by: jerry | September 11, 2008, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm
and one more thing – xander do u want to do a competion to who is more of a hick?
my point was… and i have seen it over and over at various establishments..banks, stores… social gatherings, school etc..
as my friends and i would call it “using SAT words”.. if you truly care to have a conversation with a person you will use language that all can understand and not assume that because a person does not understand a certain word or term that they are dumb for that matter… some of the most intelligent people i have met in my life have but a 3rd grade education however that does not mean they are dumb and some of the dumbest people I have met in my life who have no clue about life have PHD’s
Posted by: sokadija | September 11, 2008, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm
Xander, rant all you want, good post.
Posted by: zz | September 11, 2008, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
“Gdub was went to YALE”
I think he had a little help from daddy with that one :P
Posted by: Xander | September 11, 2008, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
I’m sorry did anyone ask John Edwards if one term in the senate where he did nothign but run for President made him qualifed, to be VP? Before that he was a trial lawyer. How does that qualify someone to be VP? Obama has done nothing but run for President as a one term senator.
Palin is more qualied than either one of them. She’s a governor. I guess being a one term do nothing senator qualifes you to be President if you are a man. But being a governor isn’t enough to be VP if you are a woaman.
Thanks for clarifiying that Charlie.
Posted by: s.b. | September 11, 2008, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm
This is a women that says she is ready to be President, that she feels she is completely qualified and ready. She may be the nicest person on the planet but she is so totally and obviously out of her depth. She couldn’t even articulate a policy that Bush administration, her own party, has based their last 6 years in office on. Did she think that Gibson was going to tell her what it was…”In what way Charlie?” What – his world view. No , this is the “doctrine” (policy if you need a definition) that your party has staked out as their main mission for the last 6 years. This is serious stuff. This woman thinks that perhaps we might have to go to war with Russia over a country that isn’t in NATO and has no strategic value. (Yeah, how did the Republican party feel about going into Dufur). Who does she think will fight it? Where will she get the forces…a draft. Chafee was right. this women is a dangerous wacko. boy, her time gazing over the bering sea into russia sure has qualified her. think she can stare down Ahmadinejad or Khamenei. Boy are they gonna be afraid of this pitbull in lipstick. Boy all her defenders sure are worried that all those bad reporters “set her up” to expose her ignorance of issues by asking all thos icky hard questions. boy oh boy that nasty Charlie Gibson was mean to our gal. And all the cable news outlets said she did well…So you had to run to Fox news to convince you that you really didn’t see what you thoought you saw. That it looked and sounded like SHE DOESN’T KNOW WHAT THE HELL SHE IS TALKING ABOUT. You had to run to O’reilly to let him convience you not to believe your own eyes or ears.
And by the way…Mariann Pepitone. Lady, you are a racist!
Posted by: Bethie | September 11, 2008, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm
To Nancy Stump!
Right On!!!!!!
Posted by: Crabbylucy | September 11, 2008, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm
Sarah Palin as McCain’s VP pick is nothing more than a political campaign ploy. Wake up people!!
Are you really prepared to put Palin in a position to assume the Presidency at a moment’s notice?? The world is watching!
Do you truly believe that McCain/Palin is the ticket to take the country into the 21st century?
The woman went to 5 colleges in 6 years and McCain finished 894th out of 899 in his graduating class…..and he’s the son and grandson of admirals!!! I come from a background of poverty and struggle, had to put myself through university and law school while caring for 3 children and even I managed to finish in the top 25% of my class!!
Posted by: Just Capri | September 11, 2008, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm
How about John Edwards? Did he meet a lot of heads of state as a trial lawyer?
Posted by: s.b. | September 11, 2008, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm
I’m amazed at the tone of the Palin crowd, not only here but across the country. McCain and Biden have been under the microscope for years. Obama has been under the microscope for at least 4 years since his keynote speech at the DNC in 2004. Since each began running for President,(including Biden) all have been asked tough, pointed questions by the press about everything from their policy positions to their personal lives. So if you run a virtually unknown commodity out as a VP pick two months before the election and you don’t expect the press and the American public to want some answers as to who this person really is, then you are living a fairy tale existence. McCain made the choice of Palin. Part of the gamble was that she would have to perform up to a certain level with very little time to prepare.
The American public is entitled to know who Palin is. All we knew before the interview is that she could read and deliver a speech refecting campaign policy. In fact, she’s delivered nothing but snippets of the same speech for two weeks now.
Charlie Gibson skewered Obama when he moderated one of the debates with Clinton. In fact, he was much harsher on Obama than he was with Palin.
This wasn’t a hit job. The tone of the questioning was no different than what the other 3 candidates have undergone for quite some time now.
Why should Palin get a pass? None of the others have? Actually it would be sexism against the guys if Palin got some kind of pass because she was a woman, or does the sexism argument only cut one way?
I honestly worry about voters who vote according to what they want their candidates to be rather than who their candidate actually is. That practice got us Bush for eight years.
Posted by: Kevin | September 11, 2008, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
A combination of utter inexperience and utter arrogance is about the worst possible combination I can imagine. Not knowing what the Bush Doctrine is would be bad enough, but saying unequivocally that Georgia should be in NATO– meaning we would now perhaps be in a state of war with Russia– and then without a beat saying that military action should be the last resort– shows a series of knowledge and logic gaps that ought to shake every foreign policy specialist, liberal or conservative, Democrat or Republican, to his or her roots.
Maybe they can force feed her enough facts to skate through a debate, and maybe her self-confidence will still play well with many voters, but this first cut performance underscores our worst fears.
Posted by: America Take Care | September 11, 2008, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
Palin referred to Obama,as “just a community organizer”. Tonight Laura Bush attended a dinner to honor community organizer who give to he community. She called this noble and necessary. When asked if the person being honored was a community organizer, she said she didn’t know what to call him, but he was a doctor working with gang memebers to get them jobs..so this is noble? Obama is an attorney who worked with displaced steel mill workers to help them find jobs….”just a community organizer? not noble? what kind of cr__ _ do they think they amercian people will buy?
Posted by: jerry | September 11, 2008, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm
Another question that was not asked was the billing of the state for expenses when she was at home “Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has charged her state a daily allowance, normally used for official travel, for more than 300 nights spent at her home” The Washington Post he claimed the per diem allowance on 312 occasions when she was home in Wasilla and that she billed taxpayers $43,490 for travel by her husband and children.
Posted by: Larry | September 11, 2008, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm
“xander do u want to do a competion to who is more of a hick?”
In terms of “a person who is well learned in the ways of crops, etc” I’d have to go with a big no. The last time I was on a farm was to ride a pony when I was 3.
I have lived my life surrounded by people for whom I’ve had to “dumb down” my conversations. I’m sorry, but it’s just not me. If I’m going to speak, I’m going to speak in my own way, not how someone else wants me to. If people don’t understand a word or phrase that I use, they can ask me quite freely (as some of my friends know) and I will answer them honestly and not think anything less of them. But I’m tired of having to lower the standards of what my brain wishes to convey just to please others.
Posted by: Xander | September 11, 2008, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm
It’s only fair. Until recently Obama could not name a single leader in a South American Country – and yet he believes we should all learn Spanish. Not him. Us.
Posted by: Angel | September 11, 2008, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm
Can anyone remember which VP once said
he thought Joe Stalin reminded him a
lot of his friendly old county party
boss from back in Missouri?? Here is
a hint. The guy wound up confronting
the Russians in Berlin with an
airlift, he confronted the Chi Coms in
Korea, and had to fire a famous army
general for disrespecting his Commander
in Chief.
Winston Churchill later said
he thought this man had done more to
promote freedom in the world than any
one he had ever met. And we all know
Sir Winston knew a lot of people.
I can see Sarah Palin filling a similar
role if called upon.
Posted by: mrparts | September 11, 2008, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm
the question is because in this present world, we need a vp with a world view.
evidently you can’t get that from a que card.
Palin looked like a high school student.
SCARY McCain wants to give her codes to the nuclear missles.
Posted by: watching | September 11, 2008, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm
The talks now of people outside America is, that people who hated the U.S. like the extremists, the Talibans, Al Quaeda, and the like are praying and campaigning for McCain and Palin to win, because victory for these two will accelerate the destruction of America.
Posted by: hector P | September 11, 2008, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm
xander – my comment was not aimed at you , i apologize if you felt it was aimed at you…
As for obama, well what can i say… I do not feel he would change anything really, as my dad says they are all the same, and if anything handing everything to the democrats or be that republicans i think is a mistake, i like split govt,
obama reminds me of TEd bundy minus the killing of course, looks to good to be true.. while mccain, well he’s rough around the edges seems more real to me….
there are issues of course too that i disagree with OBama and mccain, but far less with mccain….
and it is true i was so looking fwd to voting dem.. finally getting rid of Bush.. but the choices the paries gave us .. just are lousy
Posted by: sokadija | September 11, 2008, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm
No big deal. Obama twice has said he campaigned “in 57 states”. Let’s not get silly here. It was a good interview.
Posted by: Shanoe | September 11, 2008, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm
“I can see Sarah Palin filling a similar
role if called upon.”
Yes, because we all know how well the Korean war turned out. Why do people think that the only way America can show its power and resolve is by bombing the crap out of someone else?
Posted by: Xander | September 11, 2008, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm
Of course the Democrats on here are talking about issues (or the lack of issues on Palin’s part). But again, rather than try and support a single position (or imaginary position) of Palin’s, they just blame the media. The media’s job is to ask questions, especially to complete unknowns like Palin. Are there going to be tough ones? Of course, as there should be. And on every single tough question she was asked she completely fell flat. Is she hoping that when she meets Putin he is going to only ask her nice easy questions? McCain is one thing, but I would genuinely fear for the survival of our country after some 230 years if Palin was forced to take over. How can she claim to have any sense of foreign policy when she didn’t even leave the country til last year? Hell, by 5 year old cousin travelled abroad!
Posted by: Keith | September 11, 2008, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm
Palin is a Smart cookie and McCain is Sharp as a tack! ! Obama is well, ugh, um, ahh, well, and Biden is a bawlin’ all the time. Who do you want in DC? Obama/Biden Toast ’08′ – McCain/Palin Mavrick Reformers ’08′
Posted by: GotABrainfromOhio | September 11, 2008, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm
Angel said “Until recently Obama could not name a single leader in a South American Country”
I’d be surprised if many Americans could even name the countries in South America much less their leaders…
Perhaps that would be a good question to ask Frau Palin at her next interview. After all, she can’t see South America from the coast of Alaska.
Posted by: Chris in Texas | September 11, 2008, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm
i get the impression from her that in order to make herself look tough, she feels she has to talk tough. that may help you get elected but then what? we already have two wars going and john mccain has said he’d be open to bringing back the draft if we were in world war III. sounds like sarah palin is willing to get it started with russia.
Posted by: laura | September 11, 2008, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm
We now know that Palin was really picked to run on the ticket ONLY because she is a woman, in hopes of attracting that segment of the voting population. What a shame, to denigrate women in that wa. To belive that women can’t think and descern for themseleve., that is sexist. not the commment lipstick on a pig comment.
Posted by: jerry | September 11, 2008, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm
I think Obama is right on the mark. I mean what else can the GOP do but put lipstick on a pig? I think McCain’s VP is a desperate attempt to repackage the Republican “Brand” in a new maverick mythology, which by all stretches of the imagination is entirely chimerical.
I think it will be difficult for Republicans to make any substantial arguments against affirmative action after this pick. Affirmative action not for individual uplift but as desperate political maneuvering is a cynical betrayal of principals to gain power.
One question – and please answer honestly:
Were Palin a man, would McCain have picked her? Point made.
…and now John McCain only wants to talk about Palin.
Why? Skepticism isn’t sexism…..
Do you love how the McCain campaign is exploiting women by his VP pick?
It seems to be working and it is a sign of how gullible people are.
Before Palin, McCain was no go for women. So the McCain campaign picks a woman with just about the same opinions and record as McCain, and women start falling in line? MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
What does that say about Americans?
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Posted by: ApostasyUSA | September 11, 2008, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm
“and it is true i was so looking fwd to voting dem.. finally getting rid of Bush.. but the choices the paries gave us .. just are lousy”
Well the nice thing about all of this is that, no matter what, we get rid of Bush. That’s what people need to understand. We’re not voting to get rid of Bush, he’s gone no matter what. What we need now is someone who can pull us out of the abyss that is the last 7 years and point us in the right direction. I will agree that Obama may not have all the answers. One of the main reasons that I have enjoyed him over McCain is because of the smear campaigns. The Dems have kept it relatively clean, while the GOP has this whole “stop at nothing, no lie to great no fabrication too small, we must win!” attitude to them and that just sickens me. For the first time in a long time, this country is at the bottom of the well. We need someone who’s willing to do what it takes to lower the bucket for us, not someone who will do whatever it takes to own the bucket.
Posted by: Xander | September 11, 2008, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm
Charlie cut the quote from “Let us pray that we are on a mission from God” to “We are on a mission from god”
He edited the quote! I guess I can skip the interview and get the facts from FOX reviewing the interview, if this is the way he’s gonna play. Truly dishonest reporting. By the way? Did Clinton have foriegn policy experience as a governor? Truman? Now let’s all recite the Bush Doctrine together!
Posted by: Jim Green | September 11, 2008, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm
i understand that feeling all to well.. that is why i went away and took all these classes to expand my mind and read all these books…but u see i have immigrants in my family and i hate when someone treats them as dumb because they did not understand what they were saying, so as a rule i try not to use “SAT” words around them,, however when i am around “educated” (now that is a true oxymoron) I speak what i consider to be normally, and as u said i have no problem if they ask me what did u say.. as in this line of posts.. the bush doctrine… i would say pre-emptive strike…
anyway… its getting late and at times i find these mesage boards to be way to partisan… and just mean
Posted by: sokadija | September 11, 2008, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm
Lisa Chinn does your history only go back 30 years, what are you 20. Charlie has been showing his high brow Prinston upbringing. You just think you are so smart. It was so transparant you were out to drill Sarah. Eventually you liberals will loose out. But don’t worrie Charlie you have already made your money. I wonder how all of the woman that have come out of your wifes school feel about you now.
Posted by: Dominic | September 11, 2008, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm
Sarah, fantastic job tonight under a hostile and skeptical interrogator. You came across calm and in control while Charles was spewing venom. Bravo!
Posted by: HawkTheSlayer | September 11, 2008, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm
I remember when Clinton and Gore were running. Al Gore was at Monticello. He pointed at a huge bust of Jefferson and asked “who is this guy here?”..everyone in the building knew it was Thomas Jefferson except Gore and the world didn’t stop.
Palin did a good job and Charlie was fair. All is okay.
Posted by: Noelle | September 11, 2008, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm
Not an Edwards supporter here, but to answer a couple of questions posted above, Edwards ran for President before he was chosen as the VP pick. He had participated in debates, interviews, and had been questioned a number of times about what qualified him to be president, not just VP. Anyone who missed that must have slept through 2004.
And John Edwards had met a head of state as a U.S. Senator, not as a trial lawyer.
What is this, Rovian tactics for the masses? lol
Posted by: Kevin | September 11, 2008, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm
It seems everyone seems to be forgetting is that Palin isn’t running for president, she’s running for VP and all that job requires is to get up in the morning call the white house to check on the presidents health. For those who say she was just following McCain’s talking points, of course that’s what VP’s do VP’s follow the president’s policies and talking points whether they agree with it or not. (Biden is doing just that for Obama even though during his run he disagreed with preety much everything Obama said) VP’s don’t make policy decisions – thou they get daily briefings – She has time for on the job training and will pick it up fast and be ready to be president in 2016 (or 2012 if McCain doesn’t run again).
If you are worried about McCain’s health, he’s 72 Reagon was older when he ran the 2nd time, and he still lived on another 20 years. McCain had many medical checks and all his doctors said he’s healthy like any other president to run. His mother is 96 strong and healthy. I presume whether you agree with him or not we all wish him good health. Nobody thinks he’ll drop dead on day 1 and should the unfortunate happen after a year or two in office by that time Palin will be very well up to speed and ready.
The bottom line Palin doesn’t NEED to be ready on day one. Obama does. Palin has time for on the job training. Obama Doesn’t
This election is not about if Palin is ready on day one its about who will be ready on day one Obama or McCain and we all know the answer to that! And that’s what the democrats are afraid of.
Posted by: abe | September 11, 2008, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm
“I’d be surprised if many Americans could even name the countries in South America much less their leaders…”
I can admittedly say that while living in Ohio, I had no idea who my mayor, governor, or Representative was. People are just trying to grasp at straws to try to make Obama look bad. Sad to say, the GOP has been grasping the straws with vice grips, and some of these posts goes to show how well it’s working.
Posted by: Xander | September 11, 2008, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm
As I watch this from afar (thank God) I’m struck by how easy the American people are to impress and how you lack curiousity. “Obama’s an elitist.” What the hell does that mean? Are you threatened by him because you don’t understand what he’s talking about. You’re happy with the same old rhetoric you’ve been hearing for years that reinforces the same old nonsense about “America the Great” “Most Powerful Nation in the World”. Is that ALL you need from your government? I hate to tell you – you’re in rough shape.
Posted by: Nancy | September 11, 2008, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm
Jim Green sez ” Did Clinton have foriegn policy experience as a governor?”
No he didn’t. But he was a Rhodes Scholar. Sarah “duck and cover” Palin ain’t no Rhodes Scholar. Or is it “elitist” to say that?
Posted by: Chris in Texas | September 11, 2008, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm
Charles Gibson you are the worst person to have the privilege to interview maybe the next VP of this country. How dare you question the integrity of this PERSONALITY? Charles you are nothing, a bias among 10s of millions BIAS individuals. You are not a jurnalist, you just failed the status . Just because you are a LIBERAL-LEFTIST, and/or a CLOSET DEMOCRAT , you have no right to put imbecilic,ignorant,demeanor questions. You are a fat, obnoxious nothing compare to SARAH PALIN. Shame on you and the station.
Posted by: Gabi Tanjala | September 11, 2008, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm
Interesting “Fact Check.”
Palin says many “nominees” haven’t met foreign heads of state. The “Fact Check” only discusses actual Vice President.
Nice way to mislead, ABC.
Posted by: L Brown | September 11, 2008, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm
No, ABC wrong.
re: VPs who hadn’t met with a foreign leader, Palin said “throughout history”.
Somehow, you decided there is a 32 year statute of limitations on history, and then said her facts were wrong.
ABC you are leftist sewage.
Posted by: CheckYerOwnFax | September 11, 2008, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm
Dominic…PRINSTON? another ditto head!!!! IF palin wants to play in the big leagues she should stand at the plate. I’d like to shake the hands of the person who came up with her foreign policy experinece to tell the public….tough on Russia cause she can see it from her corner of the world…she’s prepared to defend with the natinal guard in invasion from acrorss the Bearing Straits…by the way do any of you (rebublicans) know where the bearing straigts are?
Posted by: jerry | September 11, 2008, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm
WHEN HAS OBAMA MET FOREIGN LEADERS BEFORE HE CAMPAIGNED FOR PRESIDENT?
WHAT FOREIGN POLICY EXPERIENCE DOES OBAMA HAVE?
SICK, SICK, SICK OF THESE DOUBLESTANDARDS, ATTACK THE MORE EXPERIENCED WOMAN, YET LET THE OBAMA-TRASH WITH NO EXPERIENCE GET OFF SCOT FREE!
MEDIA….DO YOUR JOB, VET THE CANDIDATES, BUT DO IT FAIRLY!!!!!
Posted by: decentAmerican | September 11, 2008, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm
You could see the Palin interview was going to be a typical liberal ambush from the first question. I stopped watching CBS news because of Dan Rather, shortly thereafter stopped watching NBC’s excuse for news too. Tonight I watched ABC backspin for the last time.
Posted by: Tony | September 11, 2008, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm
“Palin has time for on the job training”
That statement right there scares me. It’s one thing to learn how to operate a piece of machinery with the “learn by doing” concept, but it’s another when you have access to the full command of our military forces. I don’t think that “learn by doing” would work too well if she suddenly decided that it was time to take on a large country like Russia because “it’s God’s will” or something.
Posted by: Xander | September 11, 2008, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm
This Whole Mess is all the DNC/s and Obamas Fault! They stiffed Hillary & Obama was So Vain!!!
Posted by: Voted Hillary, Now Voteing McCain | September 11, 2008, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm
Look, reality is this: regardless of the candidates sex, when you’re applying for a job you deserve to get it only if you actually have the knowledge base, skill base, and experience to DO the job. The “interview” (aka speech) might get you in the door, but if you don’t have the knowledge base and experience to do it, you’ll fail. That, my friends (as McCain would say) is reality. And Palin’s non-answers proved tonight that she doesn’t have either.
Posted by: Alexandra | September 11, 2008, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm
ahh u got me , one last post…u see i feel the opposite regarding Obama, i truly feel as if he feels he is the one, the annoited one, the messaih,
i feel he would make us socialists,
and that would really tank the economy…
well good night… thank you for some normal conversation on this page.. respecful of anothers opinion
Posted by: sokadija | September 11, 2008, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm
I’ll reserve full judgement till after I have seenthe FULL video. Otherwise, Palin showed a little slippage on the “Bush Doctrine” (I’m a political junkie and while I know the Monroe Doc I wasn’t sure anout the Bush doctrine) as sone as Charlie did follow up she got right on track witht he Pakistan follow up and while never saying we have the “RIGHT” we do always ahve the OPTION.
Posted by: Educator | September 11, 2008, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm
As much as I admire Sarah Palin, I will disagree with some of the posters here that say Charlie Gibson was condescending to her and tried to trip her up.
I remember how pleased I was in the last debate Obama and Hillary had with Charlie and George S. moderating. I remember being very pleased that Charlie and George both pressed Obama on a lot of issues that he didn’t want to have brought up, and didn’t make it easy for him. They were the only ones that ever did, and I was glad they did.
I would have been disappointed if Charlie had given her a pass. She needs to be able to hold her own with the best of them, and I think she did just fine.
And like I said in an earlier post, the less she knows about the “Bush” Doctrine, the more I’m convinced that her and McCain will NOT be a third term for old “W.”
Posted by: Lee | September 11, 2008, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm
I love how people are attacking ABC because of this. If you people would take the time to read, it says “FactCheck.Org”. As in the unbiased (as far as I can tell) website that delves into the truth behind the fabrications. If you have an issue about this, take it up with them. All ABC was give you the interview you so desperately desired.
Posted by: Xander | September 11, 2008, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm
not concerned about mccain’s age…concerned about his policies and the continuation of the bush years…..more war, the deterioation of our healh care system, the lack of jobs here, the deterioration of our infastructure….the failure of our schools to educate and to develop the next generation…the blindness of those who only hear soundbites and fail to question those who expouse half truths. THAT’S WHAT I WORRY ABOUT
Posted by: jerry | September 11, 2008, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm
Charlie Gibson is one of the most reputable repporters/journalist known in this country. his experience goes back a long time. I have never known him to be biased in any of his interviews, nor reporting. we pretty much have seen him from once a week to every day within the past 15-30 years, and WE ALL KNOW THIS…let’s be truthful, and honest. The media/reporters know that S. Palin is good at defecting, and reflecting the truth in order to appear to be more experienced than she is…i would rather that she just come honestly about her experience, for she and Obama are the 2 candidates whose experienc level has been in question. but for her to pretend to know that which she doesn’t, and to attempt to convince the american people with llies is outright dangerous…especially since she torts herself to be this every day working mom who is for change, etc…she’s dangerous for she will lie continously about herself…deflecting the truth about herself…” you must not blink can be a dangerous thing, for it can promote one to take action that will most likey be regretted later…her ” cannot fail to blink is an unnatural way for a person who will have such power to think, and act…Bush failed to blink ( an act of thinking…which is so important in making the best decision for THIS COUNTRY) before going to war in Iraq. i’m tired of us…the USA overly involving ourselves in other countries afaires, and negleting ourselves to the brink of downfall.we can assure that we will continue to become a downfallen nation if we elect Palin/McCaine to the white house, for their views are consistant with a natural cohabitation in this world with other countries…we may be powerful, but if we’re alone, and isolated from the rest of the world order, we will not last very long…Palin deflects from the truth…that makes her a dangerous person to put in any office, regardless of her gender, religion, etc…
Posted by: Sanzuzi | September 11, 2008, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm
First of all, Governor Palin is only 44 years old, while most Veeps have been much older so they would have had more opportunity to go abroad. Anyway, I don’t see how any of that has anything to do with being a Vice President or a President. She will have many opportunities to go abroad once she is elected Veep. Also, since she hasn’t been elected Veep yet, may be she will go abroad before she is elected anyway. Nevertheless, Governor Palin is correct when she stated that many Vice Presidents had not met a foreign dignitary before they were election.
Posted by: Doreen | September 11, 2008, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm
I would encourage everyone here to focus on the real issue: the dem’s PRESIDENTIAL nominee is friends with a proud, unrepentant domestic terrorist who created an organization that murdered two police officers and bombed numerous government sites from 1969-1973.
Obama befriending Bill Ayers simply so he could accumulate power means more than anything that Palin has or will do, unless it’s somehow revealed that she’s been slipping info to the Russians or something.
All members of the military, law enforcement, and their families/friends (translation: all the average Joe’s in America) should know that Obama does not care one bit about how many cops die. He cares more about being with the “in crowd” in the leftist Chicago political scene. The man is a disgrace.
Posted by: usmcintel | September 11, 2008, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm
Charlie was most “ignorant” in this interview with Palin. It would have been very interesting for ABC to ask the identical questions to Biden. I am an independent but ABC is quickly turning me to the Republicans.
Posted by: madocmel | September 11, 2008, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm
Doreen – if she hasn’t travelled – how can she take an accurate view of the world to the White House? It was bad enought that Bush 2 had to rely on Condi for the simplest of foreign policy explanations, but to potentially become the second (or first) most powerful person in the world without any real idea of what the world is about could “only happen in America”. The world does not begin at end at your borders.
Posted by: Nancy | September 11, 2008, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm
I am absolutely sick to death of the the left wing loons taking punches at
this lady. For God’s sake, Al gore
was vice president and you just don’t get ANYMORE useless than him.
Sarah Palin offends liberals because she
can be open, honest, a patriot, a mother
and a wife and still be in public service.
To the left loonies, get a brain.
Eddie
Posted by: Eddie | September 11, 2008, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm
Xander and American voter:
*******
Charlie took it way too easy on her. And why, may I ask, did he not point out this information during the interview and correct her then. It was an embarrassing interview for her and it was frightening for our nation if she were to be elected. She and McCain need to stop the swagger talk about Russia and learn all the facts about Georgia instead of what their lobbyists are telling them.
Posted by: American Voter | Sep 11, 2008 10:22:14 PM
*****
American Voter: Just what are all the facts about Georgia and Russia? Which country invaded which country?”
******
According to McCain (and his advisor, who happens to be a lobbyist for Georgia), Russia struck first. According to everyone else, Georgia provoked the attack. Take your pick.
Posted by: Xander | Sep 11, 2008 10:34:55 PM
******
Xander: Thank you! I already knew the answer, but is it an invasion if one country crosses another country’s borders, kills people, and destroys
portions of their country?
So much for democracy! It appears Russia would like to reclaim former states of their old union, countries
they first overtook in past decades.
Palin was correct in her assessment of what being members of NATO means. We are not through with the old Soviet Union, like it or not. The future holds more serious decisions to be made on Russia’s behavior. Palin is well aware of the dangers we face.
Speaking of Vice Presidents, she has the fighting spirit and the strength of a Harry Truman who was a great Vice President and President. I wonder if he ever thought of having a rock concert in a foreign country in order to put foreign relationships in his resume!
Country First!
McCain/Palin ’08
Posted by: georgia | September 11, 2008, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm
You could see the Palin interview was going to be a typical liberal ambush from the first question. I stopped watching CBS news because of Dan Rather, shortly thereafter stopped watching NBC’s excuse for news too. Tonight I watched ABC backspin for the last time.”
Once again, do people not remember Gibson tearing into Obama for quite a while before Palin came along? I will say this once more, and then I am checking out of this loony bin. Palin wants to be VP right? Have you ever walked into a job, dropped down an application, and was hired without one word spoken? I doubt it. You get interviewed, perhaps even more than once correct? Well, she has yet to be given a formal interview. Think of this as the warmup. The debate will be the main interview. And so far, she’s not impressing anyone. She’s just reading her little stump speech that’s 2 weeks outdated now, and at the first sign of her insecurity with questions NOT part of her prepared rhetoric, all of you Palin’ers cry FOUL! Well, I personally want to know that if a crisis happens in this country and she is in the lead, that she can handle the pressure. So far, I’m unimpressed. She cracks under pressure from a reporter. What would happen if she were faced with the leader of a foreign country? She looked like, and I love the expression, “A Moose in the headlights”. You can’t get tripped up by the slightest thing, you can’t get defensive about something that is designed to show your aptitude for the position you’re applying, and you certainly can’t try to make stuff up to try to get through a tough question. Read:
Charlie: Do you agree with the Bush Doctrine?
Palin: In what respect, Charlie?
Charlie: What do you interpret it to be?
Palin: His worldview?
Charlie: No, No, the Bush Doctrine. He enunciated it in September 2002, before the Iraq War.
Palin: I believe that what President Bush has attempted to do is to rid this world of Islamic extremism, terrorists who are hellbent on destroying our nation. There have been blunders along the way, though. There have been mistakes made. And with new leadership–and that’s the beauty of American elections and democracy–with new leadership comes the opportunity to do things better.
Charlie: The Bush Doctrine, as I understand it, is that we have the right of anticipatory defense. We have the right to preemptively strike any other country that we believe is going to attack us.
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This is the actual transcript from the show. Do you really want her going up to a foreign dignitary and just spout off something about their culture because she “thinks she knows what it is”, only to be found wrong? We as Americans already look like fools to the rest of the world, lets not fuel the fire.
Posted by: Xander | September 11, 2008, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm
forget the comparisons to past vp, how about presidential candidates..you do remember slick willy clinton, carter and even reagan. Wow, they were all foreign policy experts. She should have went on meet the press where at least the interviewer would have not had to prove himself. Gibson was acting like he was giving Palin a high school test and she unfortunately had to answer in kind. Duh, we know she is not a foreign policy expert, as she is not a washington insider, which is why we like her. On the eve of democratic senators and hollywood has beens remarks that barack is jesus and Palin is pontius pilot I really don’t think anyone cares if she knew the bush doctrine according to garp. The hate bush doctrine is now the hate palin doctrine…boy, aren’t we glad they have someone to trash so they don’t self implode..why, there would be no movies for us to watch. The louder you scream, the more I know she is the right one for the job..by the by, I work for a living.
Posted by: daniel | September 11, 2008, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm
At Least Sarah can read a map! She knows where she is at! Obama gets lost and thinks there is 57 states.
Posted by: Hillary or McCain No Obama | September 11, 2008, 7:33 pm 7:33 pm
Eddie,
I’m open, honest, a patriot, a mother, a wife and a public servant. Millions of us are.
Is that all it takes?
Oh, and the glasses!
Posted by: Nancy | September 11, 2008, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm
“..She wants to go to war with Russia unprovoked..”
Oh, please. When did she ever say that?
She said that we should be willing to assist a fellow NATO country that had been invaded.
And she also said that she had already spoken to the Georgian head of state, so she is also no longer a “never met a head of state” virgin.
Posted by: Lee | September 11, 2008, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm
Poor Sarah! Did the mean old newsman ask you serious questions? Questions that directly pertain to your ability to step in should the 73 year old head of your ticket drop dead a month into his presidency? How dare they do that! How dare the news media not follow the direction of the McCain campaign and show deference to Palin!
Palin is a goddess! She’s surely headed for sainthood! How dare they ask her questions about her beliefs and policy opinions!
Posted by: Poor Girl | September 11, 2008, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm
Does Obama think that the US Constitution applies To ALL 57 States? He Was The Professor!!!!
Posted by: No Way No How NOBAMA! | September 11, 2008, 7:37 pm 7:37 pm
She didn’t say many VP nominees during the last 32 years. She said many VP nominees hadn’t ever met a foreign head of state. Period. She told the truth and ABC is hell bent on trying to spin it into a lie. Shame on ABC. Why don’t they do the same to Obama. Why don’t they look into his time a Colombia University? Why don’t they ask him about papers he had written that seem to be lost now? Why don’t they ask more about his up bringing or why he changed his name from Barry to an Islamic name? ABC is like the liberal FOX News. Our news media is an embarrassment.
Posted by: ginchinchili | September 11, 2008, 7:37 pm 7:37 pm
Palin is an idiot. God help this country if they are elected.
Posted by: Mary | September 11, 2008, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm
She is not ready, her responses clearly show that. She made statements of not having to have a big fat resume..so does would apply to Senator Obama also right? She said you can see Russia from an Alaskan Island? But did not answer the question. She is regurgitating facts she learned while being kept away from the media. The whole argument is if for whatever reason the President, whom ever that will be, is unable to fulfill his duties the VP has to be ready to step in. Cheney yes, Biden yes, Palin no.
Posted by: Angela | September 11, 2008, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm
Wow, I’m surprised at the lot of you saying Gibson was too tough on her. If the governor of Alaska was a man and McCain went the same route picking a virtual unknown and Gibson asked the same questions you wouldn’t be acting this way. Just because she’s a woman you think the news media has to be gentle with her and not get all tough and hurt her feelings. I’m sorry but if she’s going to play with the boys on a national level then she should get the same treatment they get. No one in the news media should go soft on her because she’s a woman. She shouldn’t get any special treatment because of her gender. Sarah Palin should be asked the same questions the same way McCain, Obama, and Biden are asked them. It’s the only way we’ll know she can stand up to the pressure and the position. Come back when you can stop playing the feminism card and can look at her as a candidate and not a woman.
Posted by: Christine | September 11, 2008, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm
Did Obama meet any head of state prior to his campaign?
Posted by: Obama-Yah-Wright | September 11, 2008, 7:41 pm 7:41 pm
Wow, I’m surprised at the lot of you saying Gibson was too tough on her. If the governor of Alaska was a man and McCain went the same route picking a virtual unknown and Gibson asked the same questions you wouldn’t be acting this way. Just because she’s a woman you think the news media has to be gentle with her and not get all tough and hurt her feelings. I’m sorry but if she’s going to play with the boys on a national level then she should get the same treatment they get. No one in the news media should go soft on her because she’s a woman. She shouldn’t get any special treatment because of her gender. Sarah Palin should be asked the same questions the same way McCain, Obama, and Biden are asked them. It’s the only way we’ll know she can stand up to the pressure and the position. Come back when you can stop playing the feminism card and can look at her as a candidate and not a woman.
Amen Sister!
Posted by: Nancy | September 11, 2008, 7:43 pm 7:43 pm
“And she also said that she had already spoken to the Georgian head of state, so she is also no longer a “never met a head of state” virgin.”
Ok, I’ll stick around one more time. Damn my debating ways :P
Although I never said anything about the “head of state” issue, she did say that we will “probably have to go to war with Russia”. Now it’s one thing to say that we may have to resolve issues with a country, but to blatantly use the word “war” in itself is a descriptive meaning. You don’t say that we will NEED to go to war, because by far it should be a last resort. But the way she stated it, it sounded like “come on Russia, I dare ya! I double dare ya!” to me. We are already locked down in two conflicts (one of which should have been over long ago, since we shouldn’t have even been there in the first place), and getting set to move into Pakistan. We don’t have the troops to be fighing multiple wars here. All Palin would be doing is condemning hundreds of thousands of soldiers to their deaths. I have so many friends that are soldiers or wives of soldiers who are on their 2nd and 3rd tours of duty. That is just rediculous. We have taken away the National Guard, who’s purpose is to protect and assist our own country, to fight overseas. Lets face it, we’ve screwed the pooch here. And just to state facts here, Russia was not trying to “take over” South Ossetia. South Ossetia was trying to break away from Georgia to rejoin with Russia. Now yes, Russia may have invaded South Ossetia. Whether provoked or not is unclear. But Georgia decided to take it back, which is the reasoning behind the devistation in that country. The damage left by the initial wake was small potatoes compared to what Georgia did when they “reclaimed” it. And now we want to fight with Russia. Why? What impact in our society could this possibly have with us? It’s like Vietnam all over again. Lets just get involved in another “civil war”, and I’m using that term loosely in this case. It will only end badly for us. Pure and simple. And with that, I bid you all good night.
Posted by: Xander | September 11, 2008, 7:44 pm 7:44 pm
It really doesn’t matter if she has met with a foreign head of state. She is a brilliant woman and will do just as well with any head of state as she has done with the American public. She has, however, visited wounded troups and I consider that very important. No worries with VP Palin. The dems, on the other hand, have worries.
Posted by: ipotter | September 11, 2008, 7:45 pm 7:45 pm
Let’s see.
John Adams. Did he meet with any foreign leaders prior to being selected as the Vice President.
Let’s see.
Harry Truman. Did he meet with any foreign leaders prior to being selected as a Vice Presidential candidate by FDR?
Posted by: rbenjamin | September 11, 2008, 7:46 pm 7:46 pm
I’m drawing a blank on how many world leaders Obama had met before his magical mystery tour there a couple weeks ago, where he appeared to be running for president of Europe.
Does anyone know how many world leaders Obama has met with?
We might be able to throw in Reverand Wright when he accompanied Louis Farrakhan to meet with Col. Quaddafi (sp?) in Libya, but I imagine their journey had to do more with bigoted, anti-Jewish B.S. than foreign policy.
Posted by: usmcintel | September 11, 2008, 7:47 pm 7:47 pm
ABC News can from now be known as All Bull & Crap News.
Posted by: Obama-Yah-Wright | September 11, 2008, 7:47 pm 7:47 pm
PALIN IS A FAKE!!
Tonight softball interview by Gibson is probably making Tim Russert roll over in his grave!
All she did was show her ignorance and tried to answer questions by repeating talking points the McBush campaign has been tutoring her with for the past two weeks… Guess what “my friends” it didn’t work!!
She even repeated that BS about Alaska being close to Russia as supposed National Security experience?
Say Palin why don’t we make every little country out there a member of NATO. Then we can make sure we get to go to war with those “godless” Russians!!
What a pathetic JOKE!!! I can’t wait until a few more reporters get a hold of this “American Idol Beauty Queen.” Maybe 60 minutes or Meet The Press?
After this one though McDummy will probably keep her locked in the closet until election day!!!
Let’s get some real leaders with brains in there this time… Obama/Biden ’08!!!
Posted by: Davis | September 11, 2008, 7:47 pm 7:47 pm
Americans have become drooling, attention span deficit mouth breathers. The Repugnicons count on it and the racism most haven’t the courage to admit. At least the haters around here in Louisiana admit they could never vote for a “negro” (polite version). You hypochristian evilgelical talibangelists pretend to be excited when the Denali Hillbillies come on down with a neglected pregnant minor and promises that Alaskan oil will be your precious pocketbook’s saviour (the same pocketbooks the repugnicans have been terrorizing for 8 or more years).
Posted by: Richard | September 11, 2008, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm
HANNAH – go here to see all about the Bush Doctrine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_Doctrine
Then do something clever – read, go to school, learn something. Because all i hear from most neocons on these boards is the things i would hear from my teenaged son’s playmates. at least the neocons at work (unlike those on TV) have arguments that make logical sense. Of course they too are dismayed by the lack of experience that Palin has…
Posted by: lisahussein | September 11, 2008, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm
Please, please help me understand why you think she’s brilliant…
She’s tremendously ordinary which is why y’all like her.
Posted by: Nancy | September 11, 2008, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm
GIVE ME A BREAK! The woman has waited this long to actually GIVE a one-on-one interview (versus a speech written by one of Bush’s speechwriters). For heaven’s sake, if she can’t even face a reporter’s questions until now, what would make anyone think she is ready to assume the role of President of the United States “in a heartbeat”???? When did the Vice Presidential spot become an internship??? We need to get back to basics here and quit ooozing those clips of the crowds chanting “Sara Sara Sara”. The woman is not qualified and never has been. If McCain wanted a woman VP so bad, why didn’t he pick Kay Baily Hutchinson from Texas who has been in the Senate for a long time and I’m sure has had a passport for more than two years? You want to know why??? She isn’t a pretty little thing and they are counting on Palen’s beauty queen persona to mezmorize voters. And from the sounds of the polls, half the country is doing the “idiot dance” to the McCain music. And btw, I’m an independent voter, not a Democrat.
Posted by: Carlton | September 11, 2008, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm
Let’s see.
John Adams. Did he meet with any foreign leaders prior to being selected as the Vice President.
Let’s see.
Harry Truman. Did he meet with any foreign leaders prior to being selected as a Vice Presidential candidate by FDR?
Posted by: rbenjamin | September 11, 2008, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm
Sarah Palin did pretty well today. She is not a seasoned politician. She does not come from an elitist family and did not have the chance to attend Ivy League Schools, but she did great!
Foreign policy is her weakest topic and from now on she will only get better and better.
By the way, Gibson misquoted her terribly regarding her speech at church. Very bad job ABC, what a shame!!!!
Posted by: Cecilia | September 11, 2008, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm
A Brilliant Woman, you’ve got to be kidding me. She is an embarrassment to women everywhere. 6 Colleges in 4 years,
rape victims paying for their own rape kits, wanting to over turn Roe vs. Wade.
Dems are worried, we are worried that this country is stupid enough to elect McCain/Palin. We are afraid of our sons and daughters dying in Iran. We should all be afraid, be very afraid.
Posted by: Mary | September 11, 2008, 7:52 pm 7:52 pm
All I can say is hopefully she will be a BETTER VP than some of the ones who have met heads of states .. and I will bet that there are many heads of state who would be happy to meet with her .. especially Putin!!!
McCain-Palin ’08
Hillary 2012!!
Posted by: Francisco Cardenas | September 11, 2008, 7:52 pm 7:52 pm
CHARLIE GIBSON HAS SHOWN HIS TRUE LEFT WING COLORS. HE IS A SCUM BAG. HIS INTERVIEW WAS MORE LIKE AN INQUISITION THAN AN INTERVIEW. YOU HAVE LOST ANOTHER VIEWER!!!!
Posted by: HISTORIAN | September 11, 2008, 7:52 pm 7:52 pm
If you were to ask Obama if he had met a lot of bomb throwers—-he could mention many of the members of the community with whom he was working.
Too bad you lefty media members don’t care that you are giving a certified Alinsky commie who is allied with the Bomb thrower Ayers and his lovely bomb throwing wife Bernadette.
Too bad that you haven’t investigated Obama.
Sarah is more of a man than either of the two wimps you guys are putting up.
Posted by: JJ | September 11, 2008, 7:54 pm 7:54 pm
If you were to ask Obama if he had met a lot of bomb throwers—-he could mention many of the members of the community with whom he was working.
Too bad you lefty media members don’t care that you are giving a certified Alinsky commie who is allied with the Bomb thrower Ayers and his lovely bomb throwing wife Bernadette.
Too bad that you haven’t investigated Obama.
Sarah is more of a man than either of the two wimps you guys are putting up.
Posted by: JJ | September 11, 2008, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm
It is really sad that you Liberals are so nervous about Sarah Palin’s experience when you choose to nominate and stand behind Mr. B.O. who has no real experience in running a country or in handling national issues.
I mean the guy voted present 130 times in office as an Illinois Senator. He shows he can’t take a stand on anything. Yet, he speaks of change but can’t make a decision, for his citizens he claims to represent. Duh, and you expect him to make confident decisions regarding our well being in America.
Sarah has run a town and a state; having to make crucial decisions. Face it the Dems are nervous about losing and Sarah has put the nail in the coffin.
John McCain has more experience then all combined and that is what’s important here. Can anyone say that about Mr. Ummm, which should be Obama’s new name, since he only sounds intellegent by using speeches from a tele-prompter? Why won’t Mr. Obama agree to town-hall meetings with McCain where real questions about everyday issues come to light? Because, he knows McCain will win over the people.
I, like many Americans believe Sarah will learn quickly while in office. She has the strength and the intelligence to prove idiots like Gibson wrong. Charles, I think many lost respect for you after this interview.
Posted by: Sara | September 11, 2008, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm
Yes there are 57 states in the Muslim states—-just like Obama said in refering to “my muslim faith”. It’s harder to tell if his true beliefs lie with the Alinsky communists or the Islamic radicals.
Posted by: JJ | September 11, 2008, 7:57 pm 7:57 pm
Charles Gibson did an excellent job. He hit just the right note pressing for clarification when needed and moving on. He asked the questions that the American public has every right to know. Please understand nobody knows Sarah Palin, and we only have a very short time to get to know her before she could possibly be the next VP. Obama has been vetted publicly for 19 months, McCain and Biden longer.
Posted by: Angela | September 11, 2008, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm
As an Obama supporter, this was a useless article. Unless you’re going to count all the Vice Presidents, there is no point in trying to smear Sarah Palin with a fact check that doesn’t fully check all the facts.
She showed herself to be ignorant or, to be kind, unsophisticated regarding foreign policy. She doesn’t need any more help.
Posted by: Siryn | September 11, 2008, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm
Xander: you are making false spin. The so-called Bush doctrine is his world view and a view of the world we currently live in. After Pearl Harbor, we determined “never again”. After 9/11, the usual defense with nuclear deterrents will not be the answer. Everyone running knows that we need the capability of preemptive strikes. Hillary took a lot of fire for saying so. John McCain knows. Sarah Palin knows. After realizing that his statement regarding meeting any foreign leader without preconditions, Obama “refined” his stance. Now, does he clearly understand the possibility of preemptive strike?
Sarah Palin is fully aware of the days we are living in, and she fully understands the dangers. In spite of the condecending air of Gibson’s questions, she gave thoughtful answers. I did not hear her say that we should be going to war with Russia. Instead, she was talking about the reponsibilities in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. I assume that we will honor that treaty when any of its members are attacked. What are treaties for?
For experience, good judgement, and country first…
McCain/Palin ’08
Posted by: georgia | September 11, 2008, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm
JJ – how come no one ever mentions McCain’s membership in the KKK back in 1959-1961?!? THE ONLY AMERICAN TERRORIST GROUP – the KKK still around. black panthers — gone. all other black militant groups – gone. KKK – alive and well. And will be more than happy when one of it’s secret members becomes POTUS.
btw-a biracial man raised by 3 white people cannot and would not become a Muslim. Why are all neocons so dim witted?!?! Not the sharpest tool in the shed – eeh JJ? Graduate 5 from the bottom of the class like your racist KKK hero McCain?
Posted by: lisahussein | September 11, 2008, 8:02 pm 8:02 pm
…..”At Least Sarah can read a map! She knows where she is at! Obama gets lost and thinks there is 57 states.”
My Grandma can read a map, but that doesn’t qualify her to be VP.
“..She wants to go to war with Russia unprovoked..”
Oh, please. When did she ever say that?”
She doesn’t have to say it. If Georgia becomes part of NATO, we are bound by treaty to defend Georgia militarily should Russia attack.
Do any of you people know anything about history? Remember the Cuban missle crisis? Yeah, Kennedy stared down the USSR and they pulled their missles out of Cuba. We weren’t gonna put up with Russian missles 90 miles from our coast! The rest of the story was there were behind the scenes negotiations with the Soviets. They knew we didn’t like missles 90 miles away aimed at our country. The Russians didn’t like our missles, on their border in Eastern Europe pointed at them! Could you blame them? They pulled their missles from Cuba and a few months later we QUIETLY pulled our Eastern European missles pointed at them. End of crisis that almost brought WWII.
Folks, that’s how it’s done. We avoided WWIII.
Now Bush wants Georgia, who is on Russia’s border, to become part of NATO. See any similarities? The Russians are nervous and will not tolerate a NATO/US backed country bordering their country. I don’t support Russia’s invasion of Georgia, but understand why they felt they needed to do something to address their security. You see, other countries besides ours do worry about their soveranty and security.
So lets be sure to pull Georgia into NATO so we can fight a war on 3 fronts. Only one thing. Who’s gonna fight this war with Russia? Boy Scouts? We surely don’t have enough resources and military personnel to handle the job!
Remember the WWIII references? When you have American troops on the ground in Georgia, fighting Russian troops on the ground in Georgia, you may just get what you wish for. Oh, did anyone mention that Russia has nukes, not just rumors of nukes? That’s why Bush and McCain both stop short of threatening Russia with military action.
Some people are idiots
Posted by: KR | September 11, 2008, 8:02 pm 8:02 pm
HISTORIAN? Of What? Is this CAPS LOCK post of yours the sum of your political discourse? I’d wager you were one of the suicidal humps who waved a sandal around in 2004 chanting “flip-flop, flip-flop” at a decorated war vet in order to get a service avoiding, drunk and dull tool of Big Oil close enough in fixed polls so that, with the help of a zionist influenced media, his pals at Diebold, brother in Fla. and nazis in the Supreme Court could steal your democracy. How’d that work out for you?
Doubtless ol’ Charlie was your hero a few months ago when he and his little pal Georgie butchered the Dem. debates. ABC doesn’t care if you return to your regular viewing of the Cartoon/Military channels.
I move we require at least saliva tests before letting anyone vote.
Really disappointed in the number of women supporting these crooks merely because they might share a gender. Never mind she bailed out of catholicism and church shopped until landing in one that considers women chattel.
Not surprised hispanics lean that way, they are bigger racists than southerners…and that’s a fact!
Posted by: Richard | September 11, 2008, 8:04 pm 8:04 pm
Palin needs to be treated just like any other candidate. She MUST go on Meet the Press, Face the Nation, etc. and start answering the TOUGH questions by the tough reporters. Her being a woman is no excuse to treat her with kid gloves. We are talking about the future of America here people. WAKE UP! We don’t know anything at all yet about her level of knowledge or judgment. The little bit we do know from the interview today points to her being totally UNQUALIFIED!
I am a woman and Palin is an embarrassment! Shame on you John McCain!
Posted by: Leah | September 11, 2008, 8:05 pm 8:05 pm
Dominic and all of the others. THE REASON CHINN ONLY WENT BACK 30 YEARS IS BECAUSE WE DON’T LIVE IN THE SAME WORLD THAT WE DID 40-50+ YEARS AGO. The social/political dynamics have changed to the point that what was true in 1950 IS NO LONGER RELEVANT – duhhhhh
Posted by: lisahussein | September 11, 2008, 8:07 pm 8:07 pm
You people in the media are idiots.
Posted by: Mike Brown | September 11, 2008, 8:08 pm 8:08 pm
“world” – I fear for your lack of brain. Remember this, the liberal media sways the week of mind.
Posted by: Mario | September 11, 2008, 8:08 pm 8:08 pm
Obama, Dem & Co. Sure are Scared Of Palin!!! Now, we Know Who To Vote For!!! McCain /Palin The Mavrick Reformers!! Also I hunted too And Here’s the Bonus…I Won the Turkey Shoot & I Was The Only Girl Shootin’!!!
Posted by: No Way No How NOBAMA! | September 11, 2008, 8:09 pm 8:09 pm
Did you ever notice how the neo-cons have to get mean. They cannot debate the issues. There only source of news is Hannity and Rush. Please tell me what has Palin done? Why do you all hate Barack? Is it because he is a smart black man? Why do you all insist on name calling? Why do you make up lies? Why is it OK to smear Michelle Obama? If anyone questions Palin you call it sexism. You are about attacking
people. I feel really sorry for all of you and I will pray for each and every one of you.
Posted by: Mary | September 11, 2008, 8:09 pm 8:09 pm
If you’re a person of color and you’re selected for a job over more qualified
candidates you’re a “token hire.” If you’re a conservative and you’re
selected for a job over more qualified candidates you’re a “game
changer.”
Black teen pregnancies? A “crisis” in black America .
White teen pregnancies? A “blessed event.”
If you grow up in Hawaii you’re “exotic.”
Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, you’re the quintessential “American story.”
Similarly, if you name you kid Barack you’re “unpatriotic.”
Name your kid Track, you’re “colorful.”
If you’re a Democrat and you make a VP pick without fully vetting the
individual you’re “reckless.” A Republican who doesn’t fully vet is a “maverick.”
If you spend 3 years as a community organizer growing your organization from a staff of 1 to 13 and your budget from $70,000 to $400,000, then become the first black President of the Harvard Law
Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new African Amerian voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, then spend nearly 8 more years as a State Senator
representing a district with over 750,000 people, becoming chairman of the state Senate’s Health and Human Services committee, then spend nearly 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of nearly 13 million people, sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the
Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran’s Affairs committees, you are woefully inexperienced.
If you spend 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, then spend 20 months as the governor of a state with 650,000 people, then you’ve got the most executive experience of anyone on either ticket, are the Commander in
Chief of the Alaska military and are well qualified to lead the nation should you be called upon to do so because your state is the closest state to Russia .
If you are a Democratic male candidate who is popular with millions of people you are an “arrogant celebrity”.
If you are a popular Republican female candidate you are “energizing the
base”.
If you are a younger male candidate who thinks for himself and makes his own decisions you are “presumptuous”.
If you are an older male candidate who makes last minute decisions you refuse to explain, you are a “shoot from the hip” maverick.
If you are a candidate with a Harvard law degree you are “an elitist-out of touch” with the real America .
if you are a legacy “affirmative action” (dad and granddad were admirals) graduate of Annapolis , with multiple disciplinary infractions you are a hero.
If you manage a multi-million dollar nationwide campaign, you are an “empty suit”.
If you are a part time mayor of a town of 7000 people, you are an “experienced executive”.
If you go to a south side Chicago church, your beliefs are “extremist”.
If you believe in creationism and don’t believe global warming is man made, you are “strongly principled”.
If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you’re a Christian.
If you have been married to the same woman with whom you’ve been wed to for 19 years and raising 2 beautiful daughters with, you’re “risky”.
If you’re a black single mother of 4 who waits for 22 hours after her water breaks to seek medical attention, you’re an irresponsible parent, endangering the life of your unborn child.
But if you’re a white married mother who waits 22 hours, you’re spunky.
If you’re a 13-year-old Chelsea Clinton, the right-wing press calls you “First dog.”
If you’re a 17-year old pregnant unwed daughter of a Republican, the right-wing press calls you “beautiful” and “courageous.”
If you kill an endangered species, you’re an excellent hunter. If you have an abortion your not a Christian, you’re a murderer (forget about if it happen while being raped)
If you teach abstinence only in sex education, you get teen parents. If you teach responsible age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber
of society.
Posted by: lisahussein | September 11, 2008, 8:13 pm 8:13 pm
Cecilia said:
“Foreign policy is her weakest topic and from now on she will only get better and better.”
YOU must be joking! Foreign policy is one of the most important things that a President and Vice-President must know inside and out! You don’t learn foreign policy over night and it is not something that you learn by on the job training.
I am very fearful that most of the American voters are so very poorly educated that we might just end up with McCain and Palin – GOD HELP US!
Obama-Biden ’08
Posted by: Leah | September 11, 2008, 8:13 pm 8:13 pm
No wonder women don’t (can’t) lead. No Clinton, no Palin. Just like the women at work….always attacking each other.
Posted by: mike | September 11, 2008, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm
Palin surprised me. She did better than I thought she would… as it’s true she has been more focused on domestic issues during her time as AK governor (as all governors are, including Clinton, Reagan before they were elected president). I guess if those guys could do it, Palin certainly can.
Posted by: Tom | September 11, 2008, 8:16 pm 8:16 pm
I think Vice President Palin will do a great job in meeting many heads of state or foreign dignitaries when she gets in office. They will be delighted as many of us are here….why does she have to know everybody personally?
At the forum at Columbia tonight…
Obama is bloviating again and when he speaks, I snore…completely nod off. His answers seem to be alot like McCain’s….CLEARLY HE HEARD THE WHOLE INTERVIEW AND WAS NOT IN A CONE OF SILENCE. LOSER.
Posted by: Debra | September 11, 2008, 8:16 pm 8:16 pm
“Vote For!!! McCain /Palin The Mavrick Reformers!! Also I hunted too And Here’s the Bonus…I Won the Turkey Shoot & I Was The Only Girl Shootin’!!!”
YeeeHawwww! maybe you can take the Turkey with you when you vote! Then there will be two turkeys in the booth!
Posted by: Dykes Hicks | September 11, 2008, 8:19 pm 8:19 pm
Why isn’t anyone pointing out that if McCain kicks the bucket Sarah Palin’s vice president will be Nancy Pelosi due to presidential succession? Yes, this evolving drama can get even weirder!
Posted by: tlucian | September 11, 2008, 8:19 pm 8:19 pm
Our high school football coach teaches sex-ed, it’s fun to watch the 13-14 yrs olds put condoms on the bananas, doesn’t mean they use ‘em.
Posted by: John | September 11, 2008, 8:20 pm 8:20 pm
And there was also our country’s first two VPs who had met with foreign heads of state – John Adams and Thomas Jefferson – and that was before airplanes were invented! I guess she hasn’t yet watched the HBO series “John Adams”?
Posted by: cincyr | September 11, 2008, 8:21 pm 8:21 pm
Anyone who supports continuing the same insanity and who isn’t;
(1) filthy rich
(2) corporate thief (neither pay taxes)
(3) inbred Bush family member
is;
(1)insane
(2)hateful
(3)a victim
(4)a traitor
The old man is a curmudgeon PTSD suffering repeat cancer addled con who obviously got derailed from his “maverick” path and sold out to the neocons to satiate the ambition he admits in his biography is his motivation for running.
To the obtuse who doom us with their lack of historical knowledge please know
that Vietnam was only the battlefield. The war was between the U.S. and COMMUNIST China (BushCo partner with WalMart as their outlet). It was the commies that kneaded McCain’t's brain like silly putty. Can you say Manchurian Candidate?
Send the wealthy old man into the retirement home. Hope that alzheimers doesn’t confuse him as to which house that is.
Posted by: Richard | September 11, 2008, 8:21 pm 8:21 pm
It is laughable the Conservatives that are defending Sarah Palin’s extremely poor performance. Palin is like a teen age girl who really doesn’t know a hell of alot. People make a huge deal that she Governor of a state half of the size in population as Portland Oregon. She has never even been out of the country. To top it off she believes the now debunked notion that Iraq was a part of 9/11. Even President Bush gave that up years ago. She is still holding on. At best she is eye candy and that is a real stretch.
Posted by: Doug | September 11, 2008, 8:22 pm 8:22 pm
“I fear for your lack of brain. Remember this, the liberal media sways the week of mind.” Why is that neocons can only repeat the same dribble that they hear their handlers saying? THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A LIBERAL MEDIA – there never was!!! If there was, we would not have a media that 2/3 of the times they show African Americans it is related to a crime. Never mind that 2/3 of the crimes are committed by white people. So called liberals would not do that. You have demonized a word that simply stands for the best in Christian values; like “do unto others…” and “what you do for the least of my brothers…”. neocon motto “your on your own” “reward the rich for they are moral and ignore the poor – they are immoral. If they were moral, they would be rich” and the stupid Apalachian people go for that nonsense, because “at least I’m better than ni$$*%s.”
Posted by: lisahussein | September 11, 2008, 8:22 pm 8:22 pm
And how the heck is this a “Fact Check” when they only went back a few VPs? This is COMICAL that you guys call it a “Fact Check” then come up with that nonesense!
Posted by: Tom | September 11, 2008, 8:22 pm 8:22 pm
I was excited to hear that Charlie was so well thought of as being fair that he were given the first interview of Gov. Palin, but I was so very disappointed in his obvious attempts to belittle her tonight. Laugh’s on him, though!!! He just may have given the Hillary supporters the push they need!
Posted by: PalinPowerYeah! | September 11, 2008, 8:24 pm 8:24 pm
Debra said: “I think Vice President Palin will do a great job in meeting many heads of state or foreign dignitaries when she gets in office.”
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The Vice-President doesn’t just meet heads of states and have dinner with them… VPs need to be well versed in foreign policy and negotiate with them and many other IMPORTANT things.
A person that has a degree in journalism and that doesn’t know about foreign policy is NOT qualified to be VP!
Wake up people before it is too late!
Posted by: Leah | September 11, 2008, 8:26 pm 8:26 pm
On the question about U.S. troops going over the border into Pakistan. Does Palin not know current events?
U.S. troops crossed the border into Pakistan last week. And Pakistan is not happy about it. Just today, the Pakistan’s army chief said they will defend their country’s sovereignty “at all cost”.
Posted by: cincyr | September 11, 2008, 8:27 pm 8:27 pm
Say it aint so another lie? I’m shock Mcsame/Idontblink think were geniuses it shows all the time.
Posted by: NO_MORE_LIES | September 11, 2008, 8:27 pm 8:27 pm
lisahussein,
That was an outstanding post. I tried logic and even sarcasm on these people and it didn’t work. Now I’m building a guillotine.
Posted by: Richard | September 11, 2008, 8:28 pm 8:28 pm
Palin is a threat to national security. Woefully uninformed – is anyone REALLY surprised? The Bush Doctrine, Sarah, get a clue! Hours of coaching and this the best she could do? Pathetic.
Posted by: Ava | September 11, 2008, 8:28 pm 8:28 pm
Who the devil is Jimmy Garter. It is Jimmy Carter and yes he did meet heads of State. He met many as the Governor of Georgia. He was also a nuclear physics expert. I guess it really does
pay to keep your mouth shut and appear ignorant than open it and remove all doubt. Are you going to paint all the men as sexist except Rove and McCain?
Posted by: Amanda | September 11, 2008, 8:29 pm 8:29 pm
America needs better education in our schools: history, government and civics classes.
There is a huge amount of Americans, at the moment, that are quite ignorant and that is very dangerous when it come to voting.
Posted by: Leah | September 11, 2008, 8:29 pm 8:29 pm
As a GOVERNOR , she should have known about the Bush Doctrine.
Posted by: Amanda | September 11, 2008, 8:30 pm 8:30 pm
Ms. I dont blink doesnt need to know current events or facts or anything that matters. She can make me up. Robots don’t ask real questions you know.
Posted by: NO_MORE_LIES | September 11, 2008, 8:31 pm 8:31 pm
There are tons of former VPs in our country’s 236year history that have not met a foreign head of state.
This question was intended to be a negative attack on Palin.
Old Charlie thought – “well, here’s a WOMAN, let me show how MACHO I am!”.
What a joke Gibson is!
He was very condescending in tone & body language to her. It was not really an interview, more an attempt by the liberal media to try to attcak her- unnecessarily.
Palin will be a great VP.
Voters are 100% sure about that.
Posted by: JKan | September 11, 2008, 8:33 pm 8:33 pm
This woman has more controversies against her than she has experience. It is not always about the experience – good and sound judgement is also very important. Look at the current duo of Bush-Cheney – they have a boatload of experience amongst them but look at their judgement and performance – they have basically flushed our country down the toilet and I don’t see them particularl concerned about it or the plight of families struggling to make ends meet.
No Way, No How, No McCain/Palin
Obama/Biden 2008
Posted by: Pat H. | September 11, 2008, 8:35 pm 8:35 pm
Nit picking. Don’t let the MSM make your decision for you.
Posted by: Mack | September 11, 2008, 8:35 pm 8:35 pm
She’s the next Spiro Agnew! YAAY!
Owai – how did that turn out?
Posted by: ElBruce | September 11, 2008, 8:37 pm 8:37 pm
The choice is very simple here:
Palin: Journalism degree, sports newscaster on TV, mayor of tiny town, governor of least populated state for 18 months.
Obama: 1st degree in Political Science specializing in International Relations, 2nd degree in LAW (graduated Magna cum Laude, worked as a civil right attorney, taught Constitutional Law at the law school at University of Chicago for 10 years, 8 years as state senator, and now is a U.S. senator.
There is only ONE sane choice here…. Obama-Biden ’08
.
Posted by: Leah | September 11, 2008, 8:38 pm 8:38 pm
@ PalinPowerYeah!
If it was a male VP nominee that Gibson interviewed tonight, say Joe Biden, no one would be saying that he “belittled” him.
I’ve seen Charlie Gibson give many interviews and he was no different with her.
Wasn’t it Palin who said it was not helpful to women to “whine” about these sort of things like Hillary did? Here’s Palin’s exact quote:
Palin said, “When I hear a statement like that coming from a woman candidate with any kind of perceived whine about that excess criticism or, you know, maybe a sharper microscope put on her, I think, man, that doesn’t do us any good. Women in politics, women in general wanting to progress this country. I don’t think it’s, it bodes well for her — a statement like that.”
Posted by: cincyr | September 11, 2008, 8:38 pm 8:38 pm
This is definately a waste of time Writing this liberal smear. What she actually said was prior to being elected, many vp’s would have said the same” Get it straight or give it up Lisa Chinn!!!!
Posted by: Jim | September 11, 2008, 8:39 pm 8:39 pm
PLEASE REMOVE POST AT 12:14. VULGAR…LIKE OBAMA.
Posted by: Debra | September 11, 2008, 8:39 pm 8:39 pm
The more that you attack her, the more you drive people to her. So keep attacking. Hope, Change, unity and yes we can, is starting to get downright ugly.
Posted by: Mack | September 11, 2008, 8:40 pm 8:40 pm
“The choice is very simple here:
Palin: Journalism degree, sports newscaster on TV, mayor of tiny town, governor of least populated state for 18 months.
Obama: 1st degree in Political Science specializing in International Relations, 2nd degree in LAW (graduated Magna cum Laude, worked as a civil right attorney, taught Constitutional Law at the law school at University of Chicago for 10 years, 8 years as state senator, and now is a U.S. senator.
There is only ONE sane choice here…. Obama-Biden ’08″
Hey moron, Barry is running against McCain not Palin.
Posted by: Mack | September 11, 2008, 8:41 pm 8:41 pm
Both McCain and Palin are cowards. They stand on a stage, attack and then retreat without talking to the media. Anyone can stand on a stage and tell half truths, lies and then not be held accountable for their actions. We as the people for whom they are asking for our votes, should demand they be held accountable. For if we don’t do that now, then what on God’s earth will they do, God forbid they are elected. Their message of CHANGE is communication which flows one way, THEIRS! Come Nov. 4th we as votes should send a claer message to them “Thanks but No Thanks” Enough!
Posted by: Linda | September 11, 2008, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm
Would you please NAME the specific foreign HEADS OF STATE that Gore and Quayle met with before they were named as VP candidates?
Posted by: BadPress | September 11, 2008, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm
It was obvious Charlie Gibson was looking for the big A-HA! Much to his obvious dismay, Sarah handled the interview beautifully, Good job Sarah!
Ignore the liberal smear!
McCain/Palin 08!!!!
Posted by: Jim | September 11, 2008, 8:44 pm 8:44 pm
I am a woman and it is an embarrassment that McCain picked a VP that is so uneducated – it is an insult to all women that have studied hard and worked hard to get to where they have gotten.
McCain picked Palin because she was camera ready and knew how to read a teleprompter from her TV news days.
Just because she is a woman and wears a skirt does not mean she is intelligent enough to be in the White House.
I bet McCain is shocked that she is as dumb as she is – he really should have vetted her better and met with her more than once!
I bet that people in Alaska will never elect a governor again without finding out what is in her brain! This is an embarrassment for Alaska, America, and women!
Posted by: Leah | September 11, 2008, 8:45 pm 8:45 pm
Mack – I am not the moron here.
If McCain were to die the first week he was in office, or first month or anytime (of a heart attack, cancer, or gun shot, etc…) Palin would be president.
This is VERY important and it is shameful that McCain has been so very reckless in making his decision.
Posted by: Leah | September 11, 2008, 8:48 pm 8:48 pm
As I said before….
The choice is very simple here:
Palin: Journalism degree, sports newscaster on TV, mayor of tiny town, governor of least populated state for 18 months.
Obama: 1st degree in Political Science specializing in International Relations, 2nd degree in LAW (graduated Magna cum Laude, worked as a civil right attorney, taught Constitutional Law at the law school at University of Chicago for 10 years, 8 years as state senator, and now is a U.S. senator.
There is only ONE sane choice here…. Obama-Biden ’08
Goodnight ;)
Posted by: Leah | September 11, 2008, 8:50 pm 8:50 pm
lisahussein,
You might add that Pap Pap McCain’t has bragged that he graduated near the bottom of his class. I guess being stupid has a certain appeal for those who don’t care about their country.
Gibson didn’t do anything wrong. These fools are upset because we had an almost unprotected peek at a truly clueless and unqualified, backwoods and out of touch, sub beauty contest runner-up and obviously irresponsible mother being passed off as a leader we should seriously consider.
Please let us hear and see more of her.
Bring on the debates and you misguided antiamericans better watch them.
Posted by: Richard | September 11, 2008, 8:51 pm 8:51 pm
“I am a woman and it is an embarrassment that McCain picked a VP that is so uneducated – it is an insult to all women that have studied hard and worked hard to get to where they have gotten.”
So it’s great that you have a choice and don’t have to vote for them. Liberals hate her, we get it. Your spokesman, Matt Damon has already told us.
Posted by: Mack | September 11, 2008, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm
Obama: Smart, driven, highly educated… but has FAILED to do HIS JOB. Voting “Present” 127 times gives him an “F”, and should have been FIRED out of the senate.
Palin: Smart, driven, not as “educated” as Obama but is a DAMN good governor, (not to mention her years chairing the OIL & GAS commsision). As governor she could NEVER get away with the kind of job behavior that people have allowed Obama.
Posted by: Tom | September 11, 2008, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm
“This is VERY important and it is shameful that McCain has been so very reckless in making his decision.”
So you can go help P-diddy get out the vote to make sure they don’t get elected.
Posted by: Mack | September 11, 2008, 8:55 pm 8:55 pm
Hey Mack, Not as reckless as having Obama in the white house! at least She has governed something, and Isn’t associting with known terrorists and the extremists like Jeremiah Wright. It is wreckless that this nobody-done nothing even received the nomination.
Keep attacking her liberals!!! scares you that McCain picked a real winner! Keep trying to dig up dirt or invent something to make your wallowing more comforting.
Posted by: jim | September 11, 2008, 8:56 pm 8:56 pm
“The Vice-President doesn’t just meet heads of states and have dinner with them… VPs need to be well versed in foreign policy and negotiate with them and many other IMPORTANT things.
A person that has a degree in journalism and that doesn’t know about foreign policy is NOT qualified to be VP!”
Exactly, and not just negotiate but understand that the way you negotiate with China is not the way you would negotiate with Mozambique which is not the way you would negotiate with Serbia, etc. To understand the logic behind any foreign policy you have to know the history, the culture, the strategy from our POV, and any local alliances. you know like the fact that there are multi tribes/clans in Iraq. I know McCain didn’t know that and neither did President Shrub which is one of the reasons why we’re in this mess. And NO neocons, Sadaam had nothing to do with 9/11.
Palin looked like a moose caught in the headlights she didn’t know what the he!! she was talking about. “We have the right to cross the Pakistani boarder to go after bin Laden” HUH?!?!? Pakistan has nukes!!! We don’t have the RIGHT to cross anyone’s boarders. AMERICA WAKE THE F UP – THIS WOMAN IS BUSH ON STEROIDS. AND Mike woman don’t hate woman – what you see is the oppressed imitating the oppressor the same way the Jews did in the camp. As long as woman are oppressed they will not be loyal to each other. Maybe you could help change that by being less misogynistic- ya think?
Posted by: lisahussein | September 11, 2008, 8:57 pm 8:57 pm
Are the Palin apologist going to throw a hissy fit every time she’s asked a tough question? Give me a break, the interview was handpicked by the McPander campaign and was largely softball questions. Just because Palin looked like a moose caught in the headlights doesn’t mean that it was the big scary media’s fault. Do you think Hillary would have had a problem answering any of those easy questions? Of course not. In his nineteen months on the campaign trail Obama been subject to 20+ debates, countless interviews and unrelenting media scrutiny, and passed with flying colors. If Palin is so ready to be VP why can’t she handle a single interview without her apologist having to come to her defense? Because she’s a joke!
Posted by: Sally | September 11, 2008, 8:57 pm 8:57 pm
‘Mack’
Is this our gotcha moment with you, you scumbag racist?
Posted by: Richard | September 11, 2008, 8:57 pm 8:57 pm
“Hey Mack, Not as reckless as having Obama in the white house! at least She has governed something, and Isn’t associting with known terrorists and the extremists like Jeremiah Wright. It is wreckless that this nobody-done nothing even received the nomination.”
A voice of sanity, although I’m not sure why you’re attacking me.
Posted by: Mack | September 11, 2008, 8:57 pm 8:57 pm
“‘Mack’
Is this our gotcha moment with you, you scumbag racist?”
Pastor Wright is that you? Yes, I’m one of those evil garlic noses.
Posted by: Mack | September 11, 2008, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm
Jim:
JUST READ MY PREVIOUS POSTS – AND WILL SEE WHAT IS RECKLESS AND CRAZY AND WHAT IS NOT
Posted by: lisahussein | September 11, 2008, 9:00 pm 9:00 pm
Palin Links Iraq to Sept. 11 In Talk to Troops in Alaska
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/11/AR2008091103789.html?hpid=topnews
i know, i know that damn liberal media… riiiiggghhhttt this woman doesn’t have a clue.
Posted by: lisahussein | September 11, 2008, 9:03 pm 9:03 pm
If I was the Truth Squad and we know who you are, please abandon ship now. Don’t let Palin bring you down in the mud, I wouldn’t risk my career for all her lies.
Posted by: truebluemata | September 11, 2008, 9:03 pm 9:03 pm
Are the Obama apoligists going to have a hissy fit every time Palin proves them wrong and throws egg on their face? This is getting quite predictable and funny to watch the democrats chances to further down the tank.
Posted by: Tom | September 11, 2008, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm
Are the Obama apoligists going to have a hissy fit every time Palin proves them wrong and throws egg on their face? This is getting quite predictable and funny to watch the democrats chances to further down the tank.
Posted by: Tom | September 11, 2008, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm
Are the Obama apoligists going to have a hissy fit every time Palin proves them wrong and throws egg on their face? This is getting quite predictable and funny to watch the democrats chances to further down the tank.
Posted by: Tom | September 11, 2008, 9:05 pm 9:05 pm
You can see Russia from Alaska. Boy, Palin sure hit that one out of the park.
Posted by: Matt | September 11, 2008, 9:06 pm 9:06 pm
“Are the Obama apoligists going to have a hissy fit every time Palin proves them wrong and throws egg on their face? This is getting quite predictable and funny to watch the democrats chances to further down the tank.”
They’re only alienating themselves further from typical Americans. These are the people that rallied around, hope, change and yes we can, darn it! Maybe they should find something to cling to other than Barry. May bring them some inner peace.
Posted by: Mack | September 11, 2008, 9:07 pm 9:07 pm
Tommy this is not the democrats chance going down the toilet. This is the middle classe’s chance going down the toilet. If the NEOCONS want a history lesson I will give it. Suffice it to say that neocons campaign well, and govern like someone who barely graduated from elementary school. If you look back over the past 30+ years you will see that Nixon had the biggest deficit since the Great Depression and that Ford had the biggest deficit since Nixon. Reagan had the biggest deficit since Ford and GH Bush had the biggest deficit since Reagan. GW has made the biggest deficit since his daddy. Every single time the neocons get into office the middle class shrinks, the GDP goes down, the GNP goes down, the value of the dollar goes down and the deficit goes up. This is not my opinion. THESE ARE FACTS – GO LOOK THEM UP!! And then justify McSame and the mooseburger lady.
Posted by: lisahussein | September 11, 2008, 9:10 pm 9:10 pm
Are the Obama apoligists going to throw a hissy fit every time Palin hits one out of the park and puts egg on their faces? The Democrats are panicking to see their chances for the presidency falling more and more each day.
I guess Obama WOULD create some real change if, when he goes back to the Senate after this election, he votes something other than “Present”.
Posted by: Tom | September 11, 2008, 9:12 pm 9:12 pm
What are you talking about!!! Yet you would crawl on Obama’s back and crawl in some pakastani hillside cave to find Bin Laden right!!! that’s what he wants to do! We need to go after terrorist whereever they live and breath. We have made pre-emptive strikes in pakistan with pakastani permission. wtf are they going to do about it anyway!!! you would’nt agree to a pre-emptive strike within another countries borders to possibly save thousands of American lives?!! You need to wake thef*** up!!! These are differnet times we live in. Thank God for Bush having the balls to protect us while all the liberals including Obama and Kerry and the likes of them are not supporting our troops. Calling them warmongers rapists and baby killers. You really want this pansy ass in the White house????
Give me a break!
Posted by: jim | September 11, 2008, 9:12 pm 9:12 pm
“This is not my opinion. THESE ARE FACTS – GO LOOK THEM UP!! And then justify McSame and the mooseburger lady.”
Barry’s spending plan will increase the deficit. I guess he’ll just have them print more money. Happy days are here again!
Posted by: Mack | September 11, 2008, 9:13 pm 9:13 pm
thanks Richard!
Posted by: lisahussein | September 11, 2008, 9:13 pm 9:13 pm
The hockey mom with lipstick will take us to war with Russia. She scares the hell out of me!!!
Posted by: Mike Nichols | September 11, 2008, 9:13 pm 9:13 pm
C’mon this is just nitpicking. You can’t actually expect a vice presidential candidate to tell the truth. She did the interview, you want honesty too. That’s asking way too much. Everybody back off and show Sarah proper deference.
Posted by: Chris | September 11, 2008, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm
“The hockey mom with lipstick will take us to war with Russia. She scares the hell out of me!!!”
Grow a set would you. Geez.
Posted by: Mack | September 11, 2008, 9:15 pm 9:15 pm
This has got to be an experiment in which the joke is on the American people.WAKE UP AMERICA!!! WE ARE IN A CRISIS. The World is watching. Listen to answers concerning the issues ….Our Economy, Energy, Education,Medical Coverage,The war in Iraq and Policies abroad with World Leaders..It is not Charles Gibson job to be kind to the neighborhood Hokey Mom..but to give us more insight into a person the nation has just known for two weeks.As a political Candidate it is her job to put our fears to rest. However She has made us worry even more. She seems to be hiding from the press at every opportunity concerning the hard issue yet she shows up on womens magazines smiling..I am for womens right and want to see us advance in every way..but do they think we are just stupid…I have nothing about policies concerning the advancement of women…Alaska is a state where crimes against women are the highest,rape is #1 in the nation. I like Sara Palin as person, I think she’s great but not as vice-president when God forbids something unfortunate should happen and she goes in to use Hokey-mom solutions as commander and chief. STICK TO THE ISSUES!! We dont need a Paris Hilton Of Politics ( famous just for being famous)and no” (just any skirt won’t do) It is time for the United States to regain our place as respected Superpower. “Lets Not Be Distracted” Far tooooo many Americans have lost thier Homes (The American Dream).
Posted by: s.p. | September 11, 2008, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm
“C’mon this is just nitpicking. You can’t actually expect a vice presidential candidate to tell the truth. She did the interview, you want honesty too. That’s asking way too much. Everybody back off and show Sarah proper deference.”
Your savior lied during the debate with Hillary regarding his relationship with Rezko.
Posted by: Mack | September 11, 2008, 9:18 pm 9:18 pm
Too funny! Your economy is in shambles, people are losing their homes, millions have no healthcare, the markets have gone down the toilet, jobs are being cut, oil is sky high, global warming is a huge threat to all of the above – and y’all are worried about the Terrorists?!
Brainwashing works.
You can lead an American to a conclusion but you can’t make him think.
Posted by: Nancy | September 11, 2008, 9:18 pm 9:18 pm
McCain brags about coming in 5th from the bottom at the Naval Academy — wonder how many young men (who would have appreciated the appointment) he aced out simply because he was an Admiral’s son and grandson. He brags about wrecking the 3 planes early in his career. That’s not being a maverick — that’s being a delinquent. Then he picks a woman who went to 5 or 6 schools before graduating. And these two are going to be President & VP? They’re pround of their mediocrity…actually less than being mediocre. Wake up America. It astounds me how easily the lies and spin come out of McCain’s & Palin’s mouths. Wake up America. It would be great to have our first woman Vice President and/or President…but you really don’t want to elect an airhead do you? Won’t that make it that much harder for women in the future? I got embarrassed for her in her first interview – but then I thought of the fact that she’s apparently been petty and vindictive to those who have crossed her in Alaska. She doesn’t deserve sympathy. Why doesn’t it surprise me that after being spoon-fed foreign policy answers by Bush’s people for a couple of weeks, she just doesn’t get what’s going on?
Posted by: Sharon | September 11, 2008, 9:20 pm 9:20 pm
“Too funny! Your economy is in shambles, people are losing their homes, millions have no healthcare, the markets have gone down the toilet, jobs are being cut, oil is sky high, global warming is a huge threat to all of the above – and y’all are worried about the Terrorists?!”
And praise to the heavens above we have been given Barry! He has all the answers! If he can get them out in between stutters.
Posted by: Mack | September 11, 2008, 9:21 pm 9:21 pm
Yeah – I’ve been wondering about.
Why is McCain considered a hero?
Because her survived? Lots of people do that.
I don’t get the American Hero thing. Seems like nothing but propoganda.
Posted by: Nancy | September 11, 2008, 9:22 pm 9:22 pm
Oil closed @ $102 today, is that sky high? I heard it was a 6 month low?
Posted by: jim | September 11, 2008, 9:22 pm 9:22 pm
“Why doesn’t it surprise me that after being spoon-fed foreign policy answers by Bush’s people for a couple of weeks, she just doesn’t get what’s going on? ”
Then aren’t you glad that you have Barry and his platform of change….except for Biden…never mind.
Posted by: Mack | September 11, 2008, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm
“Yeah – I’ve been wondering about.
Why is McCain considered a hero?
Because her survived? Lots of people do that.
I don’t get the American Hero thing. Seems like nothing but propoganda.”
Yes the real hero is Barry. He was able to survive a drug addiction. Just say no.
Posted by: Mack | September 11, 2008, 9:25 pm 9:25 pm
Mack – you can’t get beyond Obama’s verbal hesitations. (“Stuttering is so nasty”)
How very grade school of you.
He may actually be thinking while he’s speaking, but we wouldn’t want that would we.
Posted by: Naida | September 11, 2008, 9:25 pm 9:25 pm
I agree it is NOT Gibson’s job to go easy on a VP or Pres candidate. I say bring it on. When they go over the line, the public will know when he does. No one will have a perfect interview. However, I thought Palin did quite well from what I saw. I want to see the whole thing though. At the same time, all I hear Obama in interviews spew the same old tired democrat ideas (MUCH more eloquantly than any other democrat I can remember). We ALL know he wants to raise taxes on MOST of us, including the middle class, to redistribute “wealth” and pay for more social programs that will only fail.
Posted by: Tom | September 11, 2008, 9:25 pm 9:25 pm
mack-a-doo. Don’t know who Barry is, but I’ll say to you what I said to Jim. Read my previous posts.
take special not of the on that has the word H I S T O R Y in it. read a little, learn a little, get a clue…
Posted by: lisahussein | September 11, 2008, 9:25 pm 9:25 pm
“take special not of the on that has the word H I S T O R Y in it. read a little, learn a little, get a clue…”
Is a 20 year membership in a racist church considered H I S T O R Y?
Posted by: Mack | September 11, 2008, 9:27 pm 9:27 pm
Democrats and liberals,
So sorry for Obamas poor choice of Biden in lieu of Billary butt trash talking of a woman with an outstanding record won’t make you feel any better. Oh, by hte way… Biden thinks he wasn’t such a good choice either does he?
Posted by: jim | September 11, 2008, 9:28 pm 9:28 pm
“Mack – you can’t get beyond Obama’s verbal hesitations. (“Stuttering is so nasty”)
How very grade school of you.
He may actually be thinking while he’s speaking, but we wouldn’t want that would we.”
He doesn’t do it when he’s reading from the teleprompter. Makes it seem as if he doesn’t have confidence it what he is saying.
Posted by: Mack | September 11, 2008, 9:30 pm 9:30 pm
Mack – do you ever stop to actually think or are you so indoctinated that this stuff just rolls right off?
Why do you choose to interpret his slower speech as an indicatin of a lack of confidence? He’s thinking while he speaks.
Mr. Bush, on the other hand, is a prime example of someone you probably consider confident, but who evidently doesn’t have a thought in his head.
So, it’s up to you Mr. American voter – brains or bravado?
Posted by: Naida | September 11, 2008, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm
It’s a darn shame that Republicans seem to want to defend this lady to the very end. She clearly is lacking, we knew this, but we have given you the benefit of the doubt for almost two weeks now — Now we truly know, she was pretty much crap in this interview and I get the feeling Gibson was being nice — although, she didn’t make any instantly disqualifying remarks, it’s clear they can’t let the press get to her, because she’s clueless and it’s just a matter of time before she implodes, with something really stupid, like taking us head long into a war with Russia, excuse me… where are those troops coming from? Sanctions against Russia… huh, you’re kidding right? You can see Russia from Alaska…riiiiight.
I’m not gleeful in her ineptitude, I’m just sayin’, she ain’t gonna cut it…
And it’s plain Un-American to continue to support a VP that is this inept, when dealing with a Presidential Candidate that could very well be two years into the last decade of his life — Isn’t this type of blind support, even though we could clearly see the man was a moron, that got us Bush.
You think people would learn their lesson — it matters who we elect President and in this case, it really matters who is selected as VP…
Posted by: mkubee | September 11, 2008, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm
Mack – I think you are right about the stuttering. It does seem like it gets really bad when he is off the teleprompter and trying to ad-lib. Someone mentioned to me awhile back that when he is not doing a prepared speech he seems to get shaken. It’s not what I would call deep in thought, it’s more like he knows what he would LIKE to say but knows if he does, he will be in trouble with the voters!
Posted by: Tom | September 11, 2008, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm
“Why do you choose to interpret his slower speech as an indicatin of a lack of confidence? He’s thinking while he speaks.’
It seems to me that he is choosing his words too carefully, almost like he’s afraid his true feelings may come out in his speech. He seems very confident and comfortable when speaking off of the teleprompter.
Bush is a terrible speaker both on and off of the teleprompter. He doesn’t convey confidence to me.
Posted by: Mack | September 11, 2008, 9:48 pm 9:48 pm
“It’s not what I would call deep in thought, it’s more like he knows what he would LIKE to say but knows if he does, he will be in trouble with the voters!”
You took the words right out of my mouth.
Posted by: Mack | September 11, 2008, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm
Not meaning to harp on this, but I just don’t understand how “stuttering” might affect policy development.
Which is the most important thing to voters – right?
Or am I overestimating…
Posted by: Naida | September 11, 2008, 9:50 pm 9:50 pm
“And it’s plain Un-American to continue to support a VP that is this inept”
I believe the people that she governs in Alaska would beg to differ.
Posted by: Mack | September 11, 2008, 9:51 pm 9:51 pm
“Not meaning to harp on this, but I just don’t understand how “stuttering” might affect policy development.
Which is the most important thing to voters – right?
Or am I overestimating…”
It’s just that he soars when reading off of the teleprompter and stumbles without it. No doubt that he is an intelligent man. His policies are too vague for me though and they are constantly changing. He’s changed his tax policy 3 times already.
Posted by: Mack | September 11, 2008, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm
“Not meaning to harp on this, but I just don’t understand how “stuttering” might affect policy development.
Which is the most important thing to voters – right?”
What’s important is that the candidate is 100% up front with their beliefs. Obama continually dances around them. It is very apparant he is trying too hard to choose his words. Why does he do that???
Posted by: Tom | September 11, 2008, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm
But isn’t it better to have a leader who is flexible enough to change policy according to forces, who isn’t afraid to continue to strive for something better, something more.
Again, I reference Bush. His policies have been written in stone, destructive or not, he’s never wavered. That hasn’t been good for you people.
Posted by: Naida | September 11, 2008, 10:03 pm 10:03 pm
What’s important is that the candidate is 100% up front with their beliefs. Obama continually dances around them. It is very apparant he is trying too hard to choose his words. Why does he do that???
I think Obama doesn’t live in the black and white world the majority of American people feel secure in, where answers are right at hand at all times.
Maybe you guys could use a little grey, a more open mind.
Posted by: Naida | September 11, 2008, 10:06 pm 10:06 pm
Happy to live in Canada
Can’t believe how stupid many Yanks are.
Yeah, she’s going to be your next VP.
And you’ll be the loughing stock of the world, heh
Posted by: stan | September 11, 2008, 10:08 pm 10:08 pm
It has not been nearly as bad as advertised… virtually everyone I know is doing much much better economically today than they were 8 years ago. In fact, this decade has the lowest average unemployment in the US than any of the past several decades. News media does not like to mention that. They only mention how the unemplyment has been moving up recently (since about the time Democrats took over congress)
Bush’s problem is that he is a bad salesman.
Posted by: Tom | September 11, 2008, 10:10 pm 10:10 pm
What ever happened to Barracuda? The pitbull with lipstick? She’s so tough with defenseless animals and armed with a gun. Oh, but when it comes to the *though* world of politics, foreign affairs and scary journalists, the Barracuda turns into canned tuna right in front of the cameras. No wonder her son Track Enfield Palin (his real name, check it out) is getting the hell out of here and deploying to Iraq. How much longer are Republicans going to embarrass us? It’s time for intelligent people running this country. Obama ’08
Posted by: Irreverent_in_DC | September 11, 2008, 10:12 pm 10:12 pm
Don’t get me started about Canada!! You all sit up there enjoying your freedom while OUR serviceman pay the biggest price in helping protect YOUR ass (talking big picture here)
Otherwise, I love Canada and all Canadians.
Posted by: Tom | September 11, 2008, 10:14 pm 10:14 pm
“But isn’t it better to have a leader who is flexible enough to change policy according to forces, who isn’t afraid to continue to strive for something better, something more.”
I would agree with you there, I just don’t agree with his policies and I don’t believe that he has the good judgment to lead at this critical time. And since he is woefully lacking in experience, there is no reason to take a chance on him. If you are not from this country then you just see the soaring rhetoric. He is using the same exact platform that the Governor of Massachusetts used to get elected and is turns out that it is all just words and nothing more.
Posted by: Mack | September 11, 2008, 10:14 pm 10:14 pm
What floors me, and most people who are not American, is that the neocons lied to the American people, tricked them into participating in an occupation (that will never end), gifted debt to several generations to follow, and continue to lie about it.
And the American people might re-elect the s.o.b.s who did this.
That’s pretty crazy.
Posted by: Naida | September 11, 2008, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm
‘It has not been nearly as bad as advertised… virtually everyone I know is doing much much better economically today than they were 8 years ago.”
I’m actually doing better than I was 4 years ago, although I’m still not back to where I was 8 years ago.
Posted by: Mack | September 11, 2008, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm
Tom, I’m not sure who the US is protecting us from.
Posted by: Naida | September 11, 2008, 10:19 pm 10:19 pm
”
What floors me, and most people who are not American, is that the neocons lied to the American people, tricked them into participating in an occupation (that will never end), gifted debt to several generations to follow, and continue to lie about it.
And the American people might re-elect the s.o.b.s who did this.
That’s pretty crazy.”
I don’t believe that McCain is Bush as some people will try to make you believe. He is no NeoCon. They actually don’t like him at all. He is definitely more moderate than Bush. He’s been to war and he says that he hates war and I’ll take him at his word.
Posted by: Mack | September 11, 2008, 10:21 pm 10:21 pm
Here’s the point, peeps. She’s simply unqualified. You have to go back 30+ years to find a candidate who had not met a foreign head of state before joining a Presidential ticket. No, it’s not the case that “there was never any candidate for VP who had not met a foreign head of state before becoming VP.” But if you want to parse away Palin’s statement, it is *also* not the case that there were “MANY” VP candidates who had such limited foreign policy experience – including never having met a head of state.
Moreover, the fact that you’re having to dig back through the entire array of America’s VP’s (and candidates) to find a comparably ill-prepared predecessor does NOT speak well for Palin. What you’re basically saying is that she’s some kind of throw-back? That she’s not equipped to play on a level playing field with similar candidates from the contemporary past? Nice.
As for Obama and Biden’s credentials, yes, they both have extensive knowledge of, and experience on, the world stage. Obama from his work on nuclear non-proliferation/arms control, and Biden from his many years at the helm of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. They have the knowledge and the relationships to engage in the kind of negotiations and discussions demanded of the leader of the free world.
Sarah Palin? Not so much. As a woman, it sickens me to see the way that people are making excuses for her. Yes, she has a lot of strengths and many good attributes. That doesn’t make her Presidential or Vice Presidential material, not this time. We don’t elect people to the highest offices in the land just because we like them, or because they share certain “core values.” We elect them because they know the issues inside and out, and because they have prepared for the office. Palin simply doesn’t have time between now and January to get ready. Maybe by 2012 – but there’s too much right now that she doesn’t know. And I don’t care how close to Russia Alaska sits.
Posted by: thisniss | September 11, 2008, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm
PALIN IS A FAKE!!
Tonight softball interview by Gibson is probably making Tim Russert roll over in his grave!
All she did was show her ignorance and tried to answer questions by repeating talking points the McBush campaign has been tutoring her with for the past two weeks… Guess what “my friends” it didn’t work!!
She even repeated that BS about Alaska being close to Russia as supposed National Security experience?
Say Palin why don’t we make every little country out there a member of NATO. Then you and McSenile can make sure we get to go to war with those “godless” Russians!!
I bet you and your bible thumping church buddies in Wasilla would love that! Because then you can all play out your “end of days” BS while the nukes fall from the sky… You are a dangerous wacko!!
What a pathetic JOKE!!! I can’t wait until a few more reporters get a hold of this “American Idol Beauty Queen.” Maybe 60 minutes or Meet The Press?
After this one though McDummy will probably keep her locked in the closet until election day!!!
Let’s get some real leaders with brains in there this time… Obama/Biden ’08!!!
Posted by: Davis | September 11, 2008, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm
“As for Obama and Biden’s credentials, yes, they both have extensive knowledge of, and experience on, the world stage. ”
Biden yes, Obama no, no, no.
Posted by: Mack | September 11, 2008, 10:25 pm 10:25 pm
“What floors me, and most people who are not American, is that the neocons lied to the American people, tricked them into participating in an occupation (that will never end), gifted debt to several generations to follow, and continue to lie about it.”
Really? Lied about Saddam being a significant threat to the free world? In what way? No WMDs? Hmmm would not one consider chemical weapons a WMD? How many times do we have to wait for a crazy dictator to strike and how powerful to we need to wait for them to get before we are “cleared” to take care of business?
Posted by: Tom | September 11, 2008, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm
Come on Tom, America’s problem has been that Bush is a great salesman. He sold us on a unnecessary war, and got himself reelected.
I’m happy that you are your friends are doing well, but let’s look at the facts. Incomes have decreased under Bush, meanwhile the prices of food and energy (necessities) as well as most other goods have gone up. So by that very fact alone, most people are getting by with less and therefore are doing worse off than they were 8 years ago. Not to mention that there are more home foreclosures now than at any time since the great depression. At LEAST 11 banks have failed this year, not to mention the fact we’ve bailed out a couple major financial institutions. So on top of all that you’ve got to throw in the rising unemployment to get just a partial picture of how bad things have been under Bush.
Jeez Tom, pick up a newspaper every now and then.
Posted by: Chris | September 11, 2008, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm
Unfortunately, most Americans are not only backwards and unintelligent, but also brain-washed and mind-controlled by the rich millionaires that run this country. Sarah Palin is a reflection of the decline of America and our sorry state of affairs. No wonder the Chinese and the Russians are laughing at us on a daily basis. Sarah Palin is a disgrace and she only made us even more embarrased with this interview. Sarah: go back to shooting wolves in Alaska.
Posted by: AlienPundit | September 11, 2008, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm
“I’m happy that you are your friends are doing well, but let’s look at the facts. Incomes have decreased under Bush, meanwhile the prices of food and energy (necessities) as well as most other goods have gone up. ”
And Barry’s massive spending plan and higher taxes are going to make things better? You think things are bad now, you have no idea. Do some research on Jimmy Carter. Nice guy, terrible President.
Posted by: Mack | September 11, 2008, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm
Mack,
Your wrong, McWar is a trigger happy whack job, ready to push the nuke button if Russia dares to mess with his kooky friend in Georgia!
You know the guy that attacked south Ossentia in the middle of the night killing over 1,000 Russian citizens living there…
Then McDummy starts crying foul because the Russians came in to save their people from this crazy Georgian aggressor!
Admittedly the Russians went to far, but tonight in the ABC interview Palin refused to even acknowledge the fact that the Georgians struck first!
I guess that McCain top adviser, you know the one with the big lobbying contract from Georgia told her to say that FACT was false….
She’s a lightweight and you Republican trolls know it. A little more exposure by the press and that beauty queen is going to “flame out” in the night sky and come down to earth with a big THUD!!!!
Vote for real change, Obama/Biden ’08
Posted by: Davis | September 11, 2008, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm
“Unfortunately, most Americans are not only backwards and unintelligent, but also brain-washed and mind-controlled by the rich millionaires that run this country”
Yes that describes the MSM that are pushing Barry down our throats to a T.
Posted by: Mack | September 11, 2008, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm
Saddam was completely contained. He was no threat to anyone outside his own borders. There were no chemical weapons found. The UN weapons inspectors were saying months in advance of the first strike that the program was inactive.
This is well documented and easily otbainable. Why does it need revisiting all the time?
Also, do you really want to be a citizen of a country that demolishes a nation because of a threat. You guys need to chill.
Posted by: Naida | September 11, 2008, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm
“And the American people might re-elect the s.o.b.s who did this.”
You nailed it Nadia, you nailed it. Palin is being taught by the same people that have been giving Bush foreign policy advice. 80% of Americans think the country is going in the wrong direction, and yet there’s a good chance we might elect someone with no discernible policy differences. I don’t get it either.
Posted by: Chris | September 11, 2008, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm
“Mack,
Your wrong, McWar is a trigger happy whack job, ready to push the nuke button if Russia dares to mess with his kooky friend in Georgia!”
Hah! I’m sure McCain would much rather have peace and be able to be in bed by 9pm. He’s no war monger.
Posted by: Mack | September 11, 2008, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm
In this age of globalization when the world is so fundamentally interconnected not having met any foreign heads of state is a serious flaw in a VP candidate. The VP’s job many times is to represent the president at international functions when #1 can’t attend. You have to know how to deal with these extremely powerful people who can become your allies or enemies based upon the words you speak.
Sarah, that previous VP candidates may not have met foreign heads of state is completely irrelevant. In our current world political climate YOU must have that experience.
It’s amazing that so many people think being VP is something you can learn whilst on the job. Are you all freaking nuts??!!
Posted by: Greg | September 11, 2008, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm
“Saddam was completely contained. He was no threat to anyone outside his own borders. There were no chemical weapons found. The UN weapons inspectors were saying months in advance of the first strike that the program was inactive.”
I’d agree with you there. I do believe that going into Afghanistan was the right thing to do.
Posted by: Mack | September 11, 2008, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm
“Jeez Tom, pick up a newspaper every now and then.”
I read the newspapers, I even read through countless liberal crap blogs. They say pretty much the same thing. All they do is focus on the negatives. Then I go to the malls and shops, where I see more folks spending more $ than I have ever seen… people drive newer cars than I have ever seen, people traveling more… folks dressing up more, going out to dinner more… Bottom line – the quality of life here is UP. This is the same crap the liberal press pulled in ’92. Once Clinton got elected – literally they were saying “the economy isn’t as bad as it was thought”
Posted by: Tom | September 11, 2008, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm
Mack you think McCain’s trillion dollar tax cuts mainly to the top 1%, and his massive slashing of government programs, investments, and to possibly even social security is the answer? While roads and bridges are crumbling, people have no healthcare, and our education is falling further and further behind the rest of the world.
Now is the time for some serious investments in America.
Posted by: Chris | September 11, 2008, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm
“In this age of globalization when the world is so fundamentally interconnected not having met any foreign heads of state is a serious flaw in a VP candidate. The VP’s job many times is to represent the president at international functions when #1 can’t attend. You have to know how to deal with these ”
So she’ll meet them then. What is the problem?
Posted by: Mack | September 11, 2008, 10:40 pm 10:40 pm
”
Mack you think McCain’s trillion dollar tax cuts mainly to the top 1%, and his massive slashing of government programs, investments, and to possibly even social security is the answer? While roads and bridges are crumbling, people have no healthcare, and our education is falling further and further behind the rest of the world.
Now is the time for some serious investments in America.”
I definitely agree that we need to rebuild our infrastructure, although the cuts are going to have to come from somewhere. We can’t spend our way out of this mess.
Posted by: Mack | September 11, 2008, 10:42 pm 10:42 pm
“Then I go to the malls and shops, where I see more folks spending more $ than I have ever seen… people drive newer cars”
That is what I don’t understand. There are people waiting in line for hours to get a new i-phone.
Posted by: Mack | September 11, 2008, 10:45 pm 10:45 pm
LOL Tom you’re killing me. So your argument is that despite the facts reported in newspapers, you believe the economy is fine because you saw a guy buying a plasma tv at the mall? ROTFLMAO
Posted by: Chris | September 11, 2008, 10:45 pm 10:45 pm
“Saddam was completely contained. He was no threat to anyone outside his own borders. There were no chemical weapons found. The UN weapons inspectors were saying months in advance of the first strike that the program was inactive.
This is well documented and easily otbainable. Why does it need revisiting all the time?
Also, do you really want to be a citizen of a country that demolishes a nation because of a threat. You guys need to chill.”
A threat? Uhh it’s also well documented and undisputable that he used chemical weapons against Kurds & others, and also pretty well documented that he did invade Kuwait… but don’t let the history stop you from thinking he was no threat.
Posted by: TOm | September 11, 2008, 10:46 pm 10:46 pm
Could all that credit card debt that’s contributing to foreclosures be a result of a collective shopping addiction in a culture of dissatisfaction?
Posted by: Naida | September 11, 2008, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm
“LOL Tom you’re killing me. So your argument is that despite the facts reported in newspapers, you believe the economy is fine because you saw a guy buying a plasma tv at the mall? ROTFLMAO”
I am saying that all the newspapers like to report is the bad news!!! Its pretty darn obvious, isn’t it?
(And BTW if I saw a guy buying plasma I would tell him to go with LCD or even DLP)
Posted by: Tom | September 11, 2008, 10:49 pm 10:49 pm
Check your timeline, Tom. He was contained after his attack on the Kurds and his invasion of Kuwait. He was contained for twelve years.
Posted by: Naida | September 11, 2008, 10:50 pm 10:50 pm
“Contained”? He was getting stronger! And ignoring the rules set forth by the UN. And the bad news media loved reporting how he was getting away with it.
Posted by: Tom | September 11, 2008, 10:53 pm 10:53 pm
“I am saying that all the newspapers like to report is the bad news!!! Its pretty darn obvious, isn’t it?”
I definitely agree that the media prefers bad news.
Posted by: Chris | September 11, 2008, 10:54 pm 10:54 pm
“He was getting stronger!”???
His bluster was mainly so Iran wouldn’t find out how weak he was. Saddam was running his country on an illusion of power.
Posted by: Chris | September 11, 2008, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm
“His bluster was mainly so Iran wouldn’t find out how weak he was. Saddam was running his country on an illusion of power”
Possibly partly so. Getting back to my original point – this was not a “Lie” by Bush. A miscalculation or perhaps some bad or misleading intelligence… but the writing was certainly on the wall and that guy Saddam was on probation already.
Posted by: Tom | September 11, 2008, 11:00 pm 11:00 pm
Many American made a stupid choice at the 2004 election because they didn’t use their brain (or didn’t want to.)
See the history repeats itself if McCain/Palin were elected.
Please exercise your brain power accordingly when making important choices. That will be the most patriotic thing to do for America. Thank you.
Posted by: armiger | September 11, 2008, 11:01 pm 11:01 pm
Are there actually people that think like this: that there was no history before they started paying attention?
Lisa Chinn, history didn’t start 30 years ago. Do you realize when you write stories like this that anything else you write afterwards will be discounted as either bias or ignorance?
Posted by: Shahid | September 11, 2008, 11:48 pm 11:48 pm
I read a lot of blogs (I think its gotten to be redundant tho) and stumbled over a statement about McCain having “a score to settle with vietnam”. It did make me think for a moment about how Bush 1 left Iraq (personally I felt he left it unfinished in the first place) and his son Bush II went back in to finish the job under the false pretense of WMD. It makes one wonder what if!
Still Undecided
Posted by: jshimota | September 12, 2008, 12:41 am 12:41 am
Every Vice President in the last 30 years? Wow! Did anybody stop to count how many VPs that is? 5… Mondale, Bush, Quayle, Gore and Cheney. Why didn’t ABC News just say the last five VPs had met a head of state? Because saying 30 years makes it sound so much more significant? Another good example of Biased reporting.
Posted by: Up Yours Obama | September 12, 2008, 12:43 am 12:43 am
Would any one of Palin’s fans care to comment on the condescending and racist attitudes expressed by Fox news when refering to Obama and his wife? Why the outcry because Gibson seemed in your opinion to be talking down to Palin? If she were remotely informed or versed on the topics, she would have been able to handle the questions with aplomb.
I actually had some respect for McCain prior to his selecting Palin, but now she has shown that she is an unintelligent, bible thumping, hillbilly, that somehow managed to get elected to office in Alaska. Shame on Alaskans. But who needs another airhead in office. This country has lost the respect of the world thanks to George W. Isn’t it time to get an intelligent, effective leader with vision in office?
As for Obama being elitist, Wow, that one is hilarious. When a Black man is highly educated and qualified, and he knows this, he is considered elitist by those less so. I suppose someone as dumb as Palin is the voice of the people? It is so embarrasing to have a stupid President. I would be proud to have Obama/Biden represent Americans to the world. If being educated, well qualified and experienced is elitist, then, by all means lets have them run our country. But it is interesting that no one considers McCain with his millions elitist.
Posted by: simply amazed | September 12, 2008, 1:31 am 1:31 am
I dont understand some people.When you are in an interview you get asked hard questions especailly when you are running for an important post like the VP.Just beacuse Sarah Palin’s answers didnt seem like much doesnt mean that the interviewer is biased.For Godsakes.If she cant answer Charlie Gibson with straight meaningful answers how is she going to face foriegn leaders.They might laugh at her stupidity.What could be worse than that.I heard in a news program her that most of her decisions in office are based on 5 minute discussions with her staff.She just makes it on gut feelign.i dont think you can handle foriegn policy like that.Criticism has to be given where it is due.Just beacuse she is a woman doenst mean she is shielded form answering hard questions.She is going to be the VP.There is no differnece if she is woman or not.She has to answer these questions without the republican party coming to her defence stating that this shouldnt have been asked and that shouldnt have been said.Go tell Putin that
Posted by: emerson | September 12, 2008, 1:37 am 1:37 am
WHERE IS THE BODY ANALYSISTS? YOU DON’T HAVE TO BE LICENSED TO KNOW THAT SHE WAS UNCOMFORTABLE, HESITANT AND DUMBFOUNDED WITH MOST OF THE QUESTIONS,,, WE’VE GOT TO DO AMERICA,, BUSH WAS ENOUGH,, THIS GAL’S A HEART BEAT AWAY FROM PRESIDENT!!! MCCAIN KNOCKING AT THE LAST DAYS,, RETIRE,, 72 ENJOY CINDY,,COME ON!!!!
GO OBIDEN!!!
Posted by: NitaBarack | September 12, 2008, 1:47 am 1:47 am
LOL, Palin and McBush are like two peas in a pod! Both making the crap up as they go along! Funny thing is there are sheeple out there lapping everythign they say up. I just dont get it.
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Posted by: Jinsen Jones | September 12, 2008, 4:43 am 4:43 am
As a woman who would love to see another woman occupy the highest office in the land, I was not just appalled but frightened by the Palin interview.
Her shocking lack of knowledge says this about the Republicans:
Whoever occupies the White House will not be running the country. It will be the same cabal that ran the country for George W. Bush.
And we cannot vote THOSE folks out of office because they do not occupy office.
Posted by: Eileen | September 12, 2008, 4:52 am 4:52 am
Enough of the false cries of sexism.
Everybody sees through this. Even the people making the claims.
Let her compete as an equal if she wants to and, when the going gets tough, show she can take it like the men.
We cannot have a wuss crying sexism every five minutes in the White House.
Posted by: Blair | September 12, 2008, 4:55 am 4:55 am
At the way this race is going, I’ll be wide awake and scared s**tless at 3 a.m.!
Posted by: Julia | September 12, 2008, 5:07 am 5:07 am
All I can say is “stupid is as stupid does” She should have been holding a box of chocalets,sitting on a park bench, wearing a bow tie. I am disgusted, totally disgusted. Stop blaming Charlie Gibson for her lack of knowledge on the issues..
Posted by: lc645 | September 12, 2008, 5:17 am 5:17 am
sorry…”chocalates”
Posted by: lc6451104 | September 12, 2008, 5:19 am 5:19 am
You guys kill me. A few months ago, it was “Boo hoo! The liberal media is playing softball with Obama! It’s a lovefest!” Now it’s “Boo hoo! Charlie Gibson was disrespectful! Interviewers should respect their subjects!”
Well, which is it, guys? I guess the only thing that would make you happy would be that Obama gets tough questions and Palin gets easy ones.
Posted by: Ben | September 12, 2008, 5:22 am 5:22 am
I guess Karl Rove forgot to put that info into Chatty Cathy’s chip.
Posted by: leelin73 | September 12, 2008, 5:26 am 5:26 am
Calston,
I can name tons of former vp in our country’s 236year history that have not met a foreign head of state.
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Then you are talking pre 70′s. We don’t
live there anymore.
Posted by: Leonard Peltier | September 12, 2008, 5:31 am 5:31 am
I think they found a place for her to thrive – she will be doing fundraisers that is until someone there offends her. I am surprise they have not put out an add about Charlie Gibson making her look bad. You do know it is his fault she did not no what the Bush Docterine is.
Posted by: Jim | September 12, 2008, 5:34 am 5:34 am
I really didn’t expect a truly objective
result from Charlie’s interview with Gov. Palin. So I was, frankly, somewhat pleased with what I did get to hear UNTIL the so-called “Fact Check” that followed. Talk about half-truths and mis-interpretations! The fact is, we’ve had 47 vice-presidents in our nation’s history, some of whom served two terms, so I counted them only once. That number, plus their opponents gives us quite a few individuals. Your so-called ‘fact-checker’ chose to go back over the last 30 years when we’ve had only 5 vice presidents (plus their opponents). Regardless of their experience or lack thereof with heads of state, that leaves a great gulf between the “many” that Gov. Palin referred to and the biased implication that your ‘fact-checker’ planted in a supposed fair and ballanced report.
Posted by: Jerry | September 12, 2008, 5:35 am 5:35 am
I thought some of Gibson question was differently got you questions
Who cares about how many head of states she has met with The better issue is how many times did Obama go to Iraq before deciding to withdraw our troops
Obama has said over and over again that he was going to cut BILLIONS from the military budget Last night he going to increase the military by man power and the use of the best equipment
How Many foreign policy expert does Obama have on his team and if he such an expert why does he need them
Religion Questions It seems to be that the news media and Obama has more tolerance with Muslin faith than they do with Christianity The church Obama went to preached hatred for the United State When he says I never herd those sermon the press gives him a pass Listen to his wife remarks about her thoughts about the US
The better question is list Obama qualification for President (NONE) and he is running for the num 1 spot
Biden: referring to Obama The president position is not one that lends itself to on the job training
At Saddleback Obama’s public definition again showed how little we still don’t know about the would-be No. 1 (and, perhaps, what the would-be No. 1 still doesn’t know about the job) It seam that thing are just above his pay grade.
Posted by: Pam | September 12, 2008, 5:52 am 5:52 am
This wasn’t an interview. This was a rehearsed speech by Palin. She had such a defensive posture during the interview. She was talking so fast you could barely understand what she was saying and I don’t think she understood herself. She did not pause to think about the answer to the question or quite frankly give Charlie Gibson time to complete one of the questions. This lady does not have the slightest foreign policy experience whatsoever to be considered to be chosen as VP let alone being one step away from being President of the United States. I mean people, lets put aside partisan politics here and truly think about how this will not only affect our lives but the lives of our children and grandchildren. Haven’t we suffered enough the last 8 years under the Bush administration with high unemployment, the economy in the tank, our military being stretched so thinly that it could break at any minute.
Posted by: xcents | September 12, 2008, 5:53 am 5:53 am
I thought some of Gibson question was differently got you questions
Who cares about how many head of states she has met with The better issue is how many times did Obama go to Iraq before deciding to withdraw our troops
Obama has said over and over again that he was going to cut BILLIONS from the military budget Last night he going to increase the military by man power and the use of the best equipment
How Many foreign policy expert does Obama have on his team and if he such an expert why does he need them
Religion Questions It seems to be that the news media and Obama has more tolerance with Muslin faith than they do with Christianity The church Obama went to preached hatred for the United State When he says I never herd those sermon the press gives him a pass Listen to his wife remarks about her thoughts about the US
The better question is list Obama qualification for President (NONE) and he is running for the num 1 spot
Biden: referring to Obama The president position is not one that lends itself to on the job training
At Saddleback Obama’s public definition again showed how little we still don’t know about the would-be No. 1 (and, perhaps, what the would-be No. 1 still doesn’t know about the job) It seam that thing are just above his pay grade.
Posted by: Pam | September 12, 2008, 5:56 am 5:56 am
Several posters mentioned John Adams and a lack of foreign experience prior to nomination as VP.
Mr. Adams, the first VP of the USA, served the country as an unofficial Ambassador to France during the Revolutionary War (along with Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin), appointed as Ambassador by the Congress of the Confederation from 1782-1788 to Netherlands and then to England.
In these times than as much as any other time in America’s history, the people we elect to our highest offices must have knowledge of foreign affairs and preferably some real-world experience.
It seems very telling when Palin is asked about defense policy and she answers (more than once) that her experience in domestic energy issues of Alaska is key to defense.
Gibson was fair and not the least bit condescending. Palin is not educated, not experienced and has no business being in a leadership position. She has no legislative experience either: how is she going to preside over the U.S. Senate?
It is the height of condescension for the GOP to believe that America will vote for Palin because she is a woman, that people who question her credentials are insulting her (just because she is a woman), or that Hillary supporters will suddenly throw out their principles and beliefs and vote for Palin because she is a woman.
Palin has done nothing for the past 2 weeks except spout parts of her prepared RNC speech. The GOP has played to the conservative base by selecting an anti-choice, pro-war, deficit hawk who will fall in lock-step with McCain as they continue the policies of Bush 43.
Defenders of Palin state that because she did not know what the Bush Doctrine is, she won’t follow it are ignorant or, most likely, expecting everyone else to be ignorant. This is the basis Bush’s foreign policy for the last 6 years; she should know it. Even if not knowing it by name, everything she said about Russia, Iran and Israel is a manifestation of the same narrow, myopic view of how the world must kow-tow to US superiority. It’s not only ingorance on the part of Palin and the GOP base, it’s downright scary and dangerous.
Posted by: Chris_in_Virginia | September 12, 2008, 6:23 am 6:23 am
I wouldn’t even hire her as a liv-in maid, specially were she to bring:
1. Five kids, one in need of special care and attention.
2. One a pregnant teen-age
3. The baby due to be born in a few weeks.
4. The teen-age, high-school father of the baby.
5. The “First-Dude” husband.
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She just couldn’t do the job. Ask yourselves if she could do the job of high office which requires high preparation, judgment, valid experience, and availability. She has no world culture nor insight. She THINKS that she knows, and that’s her greatest ignorance. Wishful Thinking is no substitute for real capability.
Posted by: El Mugroso | September 12, 2008, 6:48 am 6:48 am
Just out of curiousity, when did Barack Obama first meet a head of state?
Posted by: lizfi | September 12, 2008, 7:21 am 7:21 am
First I want to state that I am an Independent voter. STOP all of these dreadfull commercial. Let the best man win based on their ability to run the country.I was a strong Hillary supporter and I will now vote for Senator Obama not because Senator McCain is not a good amn, but his ideas are so similar to what we have had the past 8 years. We do need real CHANGE. Let it be on the merrits and stop personal attacks on BOTH sides. Thank you.
Posted by: P.Peterson | September 12, 2008, 7:29 am 7:29 am
Did Obama ever meet with Foreign Heads of State before running for President? I don’t remember and have not been able to find out.
Posted by: Richard | September 12, 2008, 7:32 am 7:32 am
Is meeting a “head of state” a requirement? or a choice the voters should be concerned about. It seems trivial to me.
Posted by: J | September 12, 2008, 7:42 am 7:42 am
If Russia is so important, why not use Condi Rice as VP, she made Russian studies her major and she speaks friggin’ Russian! But no, let’s go with the wound-animals from helicopters, vindictive, two-faced hockey mom.
Putin, whom Palin would wage war with, is a seasoned, career KGB officer with a life of military intelligence experience and several actual military endeavors behind him. And you call that a match? Putin vs a 18 month junior governor who ‘hasn’t given Iraq much thought’? Did she even study political science at university?
Posted by: Paxalot | September 12, 2008, 7:54 am 7:54 am
Here you go, apologists:
Cheney – met with dozens of world leaders as Secretary of Defense including Saudi leaders before Desert Storm
Gore – met with numerous world leaders while chair of the Governmental Affairs Senate committee and other congressional delegation trips
Quayle – member of Senate Armed Services committee, on several congressional delegations abroad
George Bush – Ambassador to China
Walter Mondale – spent much of his time in the Senate traveling abroad as chair of Intelligence Committee, met with NATO leaders on a regular basis
Nelson Rockefeller – Assistant Secretary of State for Latin American Affairs
Gerald Ford – traveled abroad numerous times while serving as House Minority Leader, met with leaders in Europe, Africa, and southeast Asia
Spiro Agnew – met with Western European leaders on trade negotiation trip while governor of Maryland
H.H. Humphrey – several trips to Western Europe on behalf of his chairmanship of the Select Committee on Disarmament
LBJ – long history of meeting with foreign leaders, most notably while Senate minority leader
Nixon – met with West German chancellor while art of Herter Committee on the Marshall Plan
Alben Barkley – met with Churchill to secure the details of the Lend-Lease Act
Truman – met with Churchill and other Allied leaders while part of the Senate Truman War Committee
Henry Wallace – met with south central Asian and Russian leaders as Secretary of Agriculture
Jack Garner – met with Mexican federal officials during World War I
Chuck Curtis – Met with French, Dutch, and British leaders in regards to defense in the Caribbean as Chairman of the Committee on Coastal Defense
Charles C. Dawes – Met the King of Sweden when awarded the Nobel Peace Prize (among many, many other instances)
Calvin Coolidge – cannot find any evidence he met with any foreign leaders prior to the Vice Presidency
So you have to go back to 1920 to find the last Vice President who had not met with foreign leaders prior to his/her nomination/selection. That’s 17 straight Vice Presidents.
But don’t worry, she don’t need none of that mess, right? She just ain’t one of them good old boys, that’s why everyone’s so upset. Ain’t got nothing to do with being dangerously underqualified or nothin like that. Oh yeah, and you can see Russia from one island in Alaska, so THERE.
Posted by: Marc | September 12, 2008, 7:57 am 7:57 am
I don’t think Obama met a head of state before this election. By the way, Palin was not wrong. The fact checker was wrong in taking part of what she said. She said through history I think there are VP candidates who have not met a foreign head of state. She did not say just of those currently living. By the way, there are presidents throughout U.S. history who have not met a foreign head of state before being elected. It’s really not a big deal about whether she has met a foreign head of state or not. Let’s examine the actual president nominees’ credentials on foreign affairs then – McCain versus Obama.
Posted by: Tony | September 12, 2008, 7:59 am 7:59 am
I don’t think Obama met a head of state before this election. By the way, Palin was not wrong. The fact checker was wrong in taking part of what she said. She said through history I think there are VP candidates who have not met a foreign head of state. She did not say just of those currently living. By the way, there are presidents throughout U.S. history who have not met a foreign head of state before being elected. It’s really not a big deal about whether she has met a foreign head of state or not. Let’s examine the actual president nominees’ credentials on foreign affairs then – McCain versus Obama.
Posted by: Tony | September 12, 2008, 7:59 am 7:59 am
so many republican apologists…
Posted by: cha cha cha | September 12, 2008, 8:03 am 8:03 am
She did horrible on the interview! Charles Gibson did a wonderful job and asked her good questions. This woman is NOT fit to be VP or Presdident. This whole campaign is a JOKE. A JOKE!
If Obama would have picked someone like Sarah the race would be over.
Posted by: heidi | September 12, 2008, 8:16 am 8:16 am
The question is whether these other Vice Presidents met a foreign head of state before they were selected, not before they were elected. One might happen by Washington to say ‘hi’ in the next two months — it won’t make Palin more qualified.
@Tony — don’t you recall Senator Obama’s trip to Kenya? He spent some time with his father’s cousin, the Prime Minister Raila Odinga*. I believe he also popped in to say ‘hi’ to President Mwai Kibaki.
http://thehill.com/lynn-sweet/codel-obama-2006-09-07.html
* — who, OK, was in opposition then.
Posted by: Rionn Fears Malechem | September 12, 2008, 8:20 am 8:20 am
(this lady claims Senator Obama’s campaign has denied a familial relationship with PM Raila Odinga, so consider that disputed)
http://africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/08/10/senator-barack-obama-in-kenya-obama-and-odinga-the-true-story/
Posted by: Rionn Fears Malechem | September 12, 2008, 8:22 am 8:22 am
“SHE DID A GREAT JOB BY NOT TAKING THE BAIT. ”
Ha Ha, yeah, not knowing the answers was a really clever tactic!
Posted by: Sid | September 12, 2008, 8:23 am 8:23 am
Charles Gibson’s tone was a bit like that of an annoyed professor, but the questions were fair. My concern about Palin is not only inexperience, her level of interest in foreign affairs. Before the nominatin she had acknowledged not following the Iraq war closely. That’s why the Bush doctrine question was so telling. Sure, it’s not a term used in everyday parlance, but it is the primary philosophical shift of the Bush presidency, and is the underlying justification of the Iraq war. I’m a nurse, and I know what it is just by reading the papers. She reinforced the impression that she has not been a serious student of these issues, certainly not to the extent you would hope in a woman who may be president.
Posted by: Mark | September 12, 2008, 8:24 am 8:24 am
ABC obviously prefers the Osama bin Biden marxist/socialist/terrorist-sympthizers than they do AMERICAN WOMAN!!!!!!!
Ban ABC! Ban MSNBC! They are all misogynist pigs!!!!
Posted by: cougar strike!!!! | September 12, 2008, 8:28 am 8:28 am
I’m so glad we’ve lowered the bar so far that it doesn’t matter if she’s never met a foreign leader, hasn’t had a passport until two years ago, doesn’t know what the Bush Doctrine is, and fails to address the media in any meaningful way beyond quips and scripted responses. She even fails to tell the truth about simple things like her stance on the bridge to nowhere. Why do people view her as ready to serve on day one? Her meteoric rise is astounding and only matched in magnitude by the sheer ignorance of her supporters.
Posted by: Trevor | September 12, 2008, 8:28 am 8:28 am
It is amazing to me that the author of this article misquoted what Palin said (that if you look back in HISTORY, other vp candidates MIGHT have given the same answer.) That is all she said. She did not say anything about living successful candidates, she did not say anything about vp’s in the last eight years. The article writers added these parts. Gov. Palin was 100% correct in what she said. This is proof that the media left and the dems are making thngs up to make her look bad. SHE ABSOLUTELY DID NOT SAY WHAT THEY SAID SHE SAID ABOUT VP’S HISTORICALLY!
Posted by: Barbara | September 12, 2008, 8:31 am 8:31 am
For those criticizing ABC for taking history to mean “recent history,” you can really only go back so far and still be logical. After all you’re not going to use the foreign policy experience of Presidents before air travel to justify Palin’s lack of foreign experience.
Posted by: SCH | September 12, 2008, 8:35 am 8:35 am
Another really interesting part of the interview was when she was asked if Iraq was a task from God. She said “well i don’t know if that was exactly what i said…”
Gibson replied flatly, “Exact words.”
Terrible VP choice: http://tinyurl.com/5zr47h
Posted by: Roger | September 12, 2008, 8:36 am 8:36 am
Just ask yourself if you’re better off than you were eight years ago, and then ask where you’ll be in four more years of the same policies, people. McCain isn’t changing anything except to make it worse. Palin isn’t ready to lead us anywhere.
Are you still going to be apologizing for these people and telling us how wrong we are to question their brilliance in four years? You really want to take us there? How empty are your pocketbooks now, and how much emptier do you want them to be?
Posted by: donna | September 12, 2008, 8:44 am 8:44 am
I can’t believe this author is actually making up a big ole lie as she is supposed to be ‘checking Palin’s facts.’ The author says that Palin said: “many” other vice presidential nominees in history hadn’t met a head of state either.
Palin DID NOT SAY THAT! She said: “I have not, and I think if you go BACK IN HISTORY and if you ask that question of many vice presidents, they MAY have the same answer that I just gave you.”
Nothing could be more accurate…100% accurate.
The author’s fact check is sorely lacking…she left out the MAY HAVE and she only checked a part of history. Shame on her for lying about what Palin said. But then, that’s the media for you these days!
Posted by: Barbara | September 12, 2008, 8:44 am 8:44 am
If Obama picked Hillary the Republicans never would have picked Sarah Palin. It was stunt casting at best.
Posted by: LIBERAL FEMINIST | September 12, 2008, 8:46 am 8:46 am
Good grief! Was Charles Gibson mocking Sarah Palin’s religion during that interview? Or maybe trying to make her regret her faith in God, which she equates to believing in good? Thank God she believes in God. When I hear media ask questions like that I wonder what has happened to our country that Christian faith is frowned on by the media. I am so offended.
Posted by: Julie Knudson | September 12, 2008, 8:51 am 8:51 am
@Trevor
Great post and this is really sad.
“I’m so glad we’ve lowered the bar so far that it doesn’t matter if she’s never met a foreign leader, hasn’t had a passport until two years ago, doesn’t know what the Bush Doctrine is, and fails to address the media in any meaningful way beyond quips and scripted responses. She even fails to tell the truth about simple things like her stance on the bridge to nowhere. Why do people view her as ready to serve on day one? Her meteoric rise is astounding and only matched in magnitude by the sheer ignorance of her supporters.”
Posted by: Frank | September 12, 2008, 8:57 am 8:57 am
curious that Palin converses so casually about war with Russia, without seemingly to understand how catastrophic for the world that would be.
McCain & Plain claim many things that can easily be checked out and already have been proven to be false. Who knows what’s still out there waiting to be brought out into the public scrutiny.
One of the really good statements Obama made was that ‘they take pride in their own ignorance’. I for one, want intelligence and not dogma running the government. I don’t want metaphors to the America of bygone days… I want solutions and forward thinking willing to try new ways to solve problems.
The McCain & Palin campaigns seem to also take pride in their lies and ignorance.
Posted by: Jazzman | September 12, 2008, 9:00 am 9:00 am
this woman is clearly not ready to step in or help run this country should they be elected. what charlie was getting at was the foreign policy experience of those before they were elected. she clearly has NONE. and at a time of crisis, it think it’s very crucial to have foreign affairs knowledge. hell at least obama has a degree in political science and international relations. sat on senate committees for foreign relations. joe biden is chairman of the foreign relations committee. thanks, but no thanks to sarah palin.
Posted by: twisted | September 12, 2008, 9:32 am 9:32 am
I love how they go back 32 years and stop. Did they get bored with the research? How many foreign leaders did the governor of Arkansas meet and do business with before he was president? I have no idea … but I’m just asking. Yes, he went to Oxford, but how many foreign leaders did he meet while doing it?
The Bush Doctrine is if you are a country that harbors terrorists — you are also a terrorist. Regardless, of what Bush’s doctrine is or isn’t, the intelligent question for this Charles Gibson to ask is “What is the McCain Doctrine?” I am quite certain he has one. That is what journalists should be asking — but they are buying into Bush and McCain are the same (which is a ridiculous comparison and anyone who follows politics would know this).
Other intelligent questions to ask would have been questions about Darfur, Cuba, North Korea?
I am a conservative that does not agree with the lipstick ad McCain put out, but the Obama campaign calling it a smear is really the pot calling the kettle black — who turned McCain’s words around saying he thought the middle class is people who make over $5 million (this was clearly a joke, if you watch the interview) — AND the fact that he wants to be in Iraq for 100 years (also taken out of context). Politics is a contact sport, so if you are stupid enough to say it — the other side is going to use it.
Both sides distort one liners from the other side. Today there is a technology ad out from Obama slamming McCain when he can’t send an email. When you are president — YOU CAN’T SEND EMAIL ANYWAY! I am more interested in my president lowering corporate taxes on my small business from 25-35%, not if he can send an email.
And one more thing … Jesus was a community organizer? Pontius Pilate was a governor. (So was Bill Clinton.) Comparing the democratic nominee to Jesus is a losing proposition. Obama is not Jesus, not even close — and it is offensive to millions to imply as much. It is a losing statement to win independents and moderates.
Posted by: Tammy | September 12, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE???
How blind are you in your worship of Sarah Palin that you can’t see how unqualified she is.
You are whining about the fact that Gibson wasn’t deferential enough??? My god who does she think she is – the Queen of England?
If she wants to play with the big boys, she better take her own damn advice and show that she is capable – quite frankly she is a LAUGHING stock of an excuse for a VP Nominee.
I’ve voted Republican my entire adult life, and I can’t believe the path this country is on. I voted for Bush for two terms, I kept thinking he would turn things around. Well he has screwed this country up, and we have a massive debt, major bailouts of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Goldman Sachs, now they are talking about buying out Lehman Brothers.
What happened to fiscal conservatism? What happened to world leadership??? We are losing to China and Russia because we are NOT prepared to face the challenges of the future.
And you want to vote for superficial things like “she seems cool” or because she’s a hockey mom???
My god listen to yourselves! Our children’s future is at stake. America’s moral leadership and fundamental principles of democracy is at stake.
We NEED TO EXPECT MORE from our leaders, and Palin’s lack of knowledge and understanding of world leaders is NOT acceptable.
You are thinking and voting because all of a sudden Palin seems like someone you can relate to?
I don’t want her as a friend, I want a damn good Vice President.
THIS IS NOT A HIGH SCHOOL POPULARITY CONTEST.
Exercise your judgement and stop lying to yourselves on what’s best for this country.
Posted by: Susan | September 12, 2008, 9:50 am 9:50 am
I think the point is that she didn’t have to say other VP candidates haven’t met them either, because it makes her seem like she is making an excuse. Granted, it was an unfair question as Charles Gibson must have known that Palin had just recently acquired her passport, and Alaska is a rare stop for foreign dignitaries.
Posted by: Anthony | September 12, 2008, 9:53 am 9:53 am
BTW, TLucian, if something happens to McCain, and Palin ascends to the presidency, Pelosi wouldn’t become VP; Palin would have to choose her new VP while Pelosi remains Speaker of the House. The only way for Pelosi to become President is if something happens to *both* the Pres and VicePres.
Posted by: Dwight | September 12, 2008, 9:59 am 9:59 am
you’re right liberal feminist, it was stunt casting. mccain knows she isn’t qualified to be in the number 2 spot or number 1 spot. there were many other qualified experienced, foreign knowledged republicans that he could’ve chosen and he picks a beauty queen and hockey mom, small town mayor,1st. term small state governor? give me a break! i’m sure there’s alot of buyers remorse among the gop.
Posted by: twisted | September 12, 2008, 10:04 am 10:04 am
I cannot believe how Sarah is being defended about not knowing the Bush Doctrine? And because Obama is well educated, he is called an “elitist”. Watch the movie “Idiocracy” and see what lies ahead for this country when it is run by coporations, and being smart is seen as “faggy”. God Help Us.
Posted by: jo pfaff | September 12, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am
We know from 9/11 that bad things can happen early on in an administration.
The vice president’s main function is to take over as president if the president should die or be killed.
My issue: does Sarah Palin have the foreign policy knowledge to take over if the president should die and act nimbly to whatever foreign events might be occurring? Country First: is she really ready? It matters.
Posted by: Reva Hill | September 12, 2008, 10:28 am 10:28 am
How ignorant can some of you be? What do you mean he wont show his birth certificate? Just google it..geez..http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-birth.html
And check your facts at factcheck.org for the following list you sheep before believing every TV ad:
A McCain-Palin TV ad accuses Obama of being “disrespectful” of Palin, but it distorts quotes to make the case.
McCain-Palin Distorts Our Finding
September 10, 2008Updated: September 10, 2008- Those attacks on Palin that we debunked didn’t come from Obama.
GOP Convention Spin, Part II
September 4, 2008New
Palin trips up on her facts, and Giuliani and Huckabee have their own stumbles on Night 3 of the Republican confab.
elections 2008
Executive
Maverick Misleads
September 4, 2008New
A McCain ad comparing Palin to Obama isn’t all above board.
elections 2008
Executive
GOP Convention Spin
September 3, 2008
Lieberman and Thompson make misleading claims about Obama on Day Two of the party in St. Paul.
Posted by: Foge | September 12, 2008, 10:30 am 10:30 am
Uh oh…one thing is really clear about the Palin interview and people’s responses to it: as a nation, we’ve become dumber than ever. If you can’t look around and notice that the country is economically in shambles, and that this has been caused by the Bush policies of the last 8 years and you think that McCain / Palin’s “more of the same” is going to make your lives better…well, it’s just dumb and dumber all the way down…ask yourself why you’d vote for more policies that will repeat all the damage? If you think you’re not voting for more of the same trouble…think about all these choices in terms of economic issues, not personalities. If you haven’t noticed folks, our economy is falling apart…
Posted by: Bob | September 12, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am
She had NO CLUE what the Bush Doctrine was. This is NOT acceptable. Twist it anyway you want, it is unacceptable.
Posted by: ELliot | September 12, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am
Though Mr. Gibson was very mild, he came across as very condescending. He asked if she felt ready to lead. When she replied “Yes.” he asked her again about six times, as if he just couldn’t wrap his mind around the answer. He even explained the Presidency to her and asked her again. He came across as a teacher speakingto a not especially bright pupil. I half expected him to pat her on the head and urge her to run along home. O’Reilly’s interview of Obama, even though he challenged Obama once in awhile, showed more respect for Obama. I hope Mr. Gibson does better later.
Posted by: Pam Siegfried | September 12, 2008, 10:38 am 10:38 am
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ELliot, before yesterday you could’t even spell Bush Doctrine. Now, you are an expert.
Before 3 weeks ago, tell me WHY she needs to know some trivial crap like this?
Gibson is a liberal puke. He probably sleeps with Noberman, or his boyfriend.
Palin – 08
Posted by: LarryMan | September 12, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am
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Bob, have you finished grade school yet? Bush is responsible for dummies who won’t study in school? Democrats want the voters to stay dumb, more democrat voters.
And the economy? If the economy was booming until last year, what changed? Come on, Bob? Any ideas?
Palin – 08
Posted by: LarryMan | September 12, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am
She is unqualified to even tour the white house without handlers.
Posted by: Independent | September 12, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am
I weep for the future of this country, when literally millions of people think it’s “not important” that a VP nominee has NO CLUE about the single biggest change in foreign policy this decade. And the fact that some of you defend it by saying “I didn’t know what that Bush Doctrine was either”, well, first, you’re ignorant of world affairs, and more importantly, you’re not running to be second in command of the most powerful nation in the world. If she doesn’t know this kind of stuff, WHY IS SHE ON THE TICKET? What does she bring to the table that will help solve our growing problems here in America? A sparkling personality? The same “I’m absolutely certain and won’t change my mind, facts and reality be damned” attitude we saw from Bush for 8 years? What will we gain from putting this woman in power?
A recent survey by Gallup shows that voters who base their votes on issues go for Obama by 20 points; voters who base it on “personality” go by 20 points to McCain. McCain’s campaign manager himself said, “this election isn’t about issues”. Sarah Palin is the first American Idol candidate, but if she gets into office, she won’t be the last, and the US will continue its steady slide from superpower to second-rate. Who is the empty suit with vague promises and meaningless slogan, and who’s the guy with actual, detailed policies and plans to turn America around, again?
McCain has tried to plagiarize all the likable characteristics of Obama, and ignored all the substance. It’ll be a sad day for America if it pays off, but America will get the government she deserves.
Posted by: Marc | September 12, 2008, 11:17 am 11:17 am
Does all of this really matter? It’s time to focus on the issues. Obama has made it clear that past experience doesn’t necessarily matter in making future decisions.
P.S. I’m a Republican.
Posted by: Brandon Mendelson | September 12, 2008, 11:19 am 11:19 am
Another classic example of how the liberal media skews the reality of the Q&A to push their warped agenda. FACT CHECK – the media is biased toward the left. Thanks for making it yet again so obvious!
Posted by: Brian | September 12, 2008, 11:20 am 11:20 am
Her response is proof that she does believe it is an important issue. Otherwise she would have said that it wasn’t an issue.
The fact that she has been secluded from the world until 14 days ago is NOT in her favor.
Posted by: Edo | September 12, 2008, 11:30 am 11:30 am
leave her alone.your acting like we have had 1000 presidents in 30 yrs.stop being a band wagon jump cause mtv told to.
Posted by: chris | September 12, 2008, 11:31 am 11:31 am
What’s there to defend? You people are really going to defend her because President Hoover’s VP may not have met with foreign leaders in 1930? The past 30 years are whats relevant.
We’re supposed to learn from history and use it toward a brighter future. The VP’s of the past 30 years have met with foreign head of states because its necessary to develop relations with other countries. As much as you right wingers would love it to be the case, we are NOT the only country on the planet. No wonder they find us arrogant if we can’t even be bothered to pick people with a history of foreign diplomacy to lead our country.
Stop living in the 60′s, it’s 2008. These things matter.
Posted by: Lillian R. | September 12, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am
it’s ‘instersing’ ( as Bush would say ) that Republicans seem to be denying that they have been running the country since 2000.
It’s also amazing, that some would blame the Democrats from 2007 until now for whatever has gone wrong in America and the world.
Just remember Saint Reagan’s mantra:
“are you better off today than you were 4 years ago”? Most folks would probably say NO.
More deregulation and less oversight..that’s the Republican way, insure the profits and subsidize the losses to the tax payers while bailing out preferred corporations and letting the CEO’s still get millions while workers lose everything….. ahhh, the smell of ‘trickle down’ economics in the morning..
Republicans, you were running the show, you own it, be proud of where the country is right now as it’s your policies that got us here.
Posted by: Jazzman | September 12, 2008, 11:40 am 11:40 am
It seemed to me that when Palin gave an answer, that was it. There was nothing more there. She couldn’t expound on anything. Did anyone expect that she could go on and on about a subject?
Major blunders -
Stating a policy towards Israel that would give them carte blanche in their defense actions a policy we currently do not support, (Charlie asked the exact same question of Obama on 7/23 and he was wise enough to say it is not his job as Presidential candidate to tell Israel what to do.), saying the Russian move into Georgia was unprovoked, and responding that the U.S. will do what it has to do on the Pakistan question. She was unqualified to answer any of these questions, and could only do harm, not good, by answering them, yet she did. She is inexperienced and shows poor statesman skills.
Posted by: An admirable Woman | September 12, 2008, 11:42 am 11:42 am
I didn’t realize the United States was only 30 years old. Thanks for the clarification.
:rolleyes:
Posted by: Not An Idiot | September 12, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am
This is supposed to be fact checking?
As viewers, we shouldn’t have to do your jobs for you ABC. Gov. Palin said “and I think if you go back in history and if you ask that question of many vice presidents, they may have the same answer that I just gave you.” You only go back 32 years? Go back further, then tell us if she was wrong.
Let put this into perspective. How many heads of states did President Reagan or President Clinton meet before becoming president? They were both governors as well prior to their presidencies.
This interview was a hit piece aimed at discrediting Gov. Palin. The media are in the tank for Obama and it’s sickening.
Posted by: Sherina Gallagher | September 12, 2008, 11:47 am 11:47 am
Watching Gov. Palin was painfully ackward. I believe her ambition got the best of her when the VP position was dangled in front of her eyes. She is woefully unqualified for the position.
People ask what difference it makes that she hasn’t met a foreign head of state. From her demeanor so far, I would say a lot. We live in a global society where we need to know how to behave in a diplomatic manner to resolve differences. Gov. Palin has not demonstrated that type of behavior. She’s flippant and for me as a woman, I feel no respect for her. That’s a major problem. If you don’t think it matters, think about the demeanor of our great leaders. And Bush isn’t one of them.
Posted by: Karen C | September 12, 2008, 11:52 am 11:52 am
I’m pretty disappointed that most of the Republican comments against Obama here so far have to do nothing with issues and more with mindless bashing using very little substance.
Would it be hard to ask for Republicans to state why McCain would be a better president than Obama by selecting a particular platform he’s running on and relating it to Obama’s? For instance, do you think he’s a better president due to his stance on taxes… or is it a negative selection by saying you don’t like Obama so you must vote Republican?
A lot of the defense I see for Palin here has to relate to absolutely nothing that has to do with the responsibilities of being a Vice President. Of these responsibilities she is incredibly unqualified especially by her limited knowledge of foreign relations and arguably limited knowledge of domestic policy. There is not a single respectible energy analyst that says natural gas and oil are the answers to true energy independence. Her and the Republican platform of ‘drill here, drill now’ sound quick and easy, but they’re not. The amount of time it takes to get funding for these projects, to design them, to construct and produce the raw oil that will be used for refining into gasoline (of which we have very few operating refineries in the US) would take decades. And even then, the solution would give us approximately 3% of our necessary oil demands.
As for whether or not Obama has met with foreign leaders. He has met with many. Especially during his tour through Europe and the Middle East during which every country he stopped in, he met with the current leader. That far and away exceeds Palin’s credentials as they stand now. His experience prior to the election year I am unaware of and cannot state either way. However, just meeting someone does not give you an accurate picture of their policies or their stances. On this point I disagree with other Democrats. After all, it was Bush who said he looked into Putin’s eyes and saw his soul. Now it seems we’re back to being old enemies again.
I don’t want to debate any smear ads from either side, as I believe they are simply a smoke screen to the issues that should be present. In my belief the fact that McCain is using these more than Obama represents the efforts he is making to cover up the lack of substance in his campaign. To date, I have heard nothing about his proposed solutions except those that involve keeping Bush’s current tax and economic policies. There is no leverage for how he will pay for anything or work with foreign relations. If he begins to present those ideas in a thoughtful, obvious manner before the election I will consider who to vote for. Until then, Obama clearly has presented more factual basis and direct policy that I believe is critical for President of the United States.
And as for the general experience level of the candidates, Obama-Biden beats the McCain-Palin ticket. Biden has more senate experience and foreign experience than the Republican ticket, while Obama greatly exceeds Palin’s own experience with extensive law, constitutional and legislative experience. Arguably executive with his management of the presidential campaign and prior community organization.
I also believe his skill at rhetoric and inspiration for a younger generation are critical for involving a new wave of political reformers looking to involve themselves in grassroots operations to better their community, their state, and America. It may also go to great lengths to repair our position with other nations who have chaffed under recent saber rattling on behalf of the Bush administration.
Posted by: Jason | September 12, 2008, 11:52 am 11:52 am
Wow, people need to wake up on Palin. Thinking of handing our top office to someone who has no qualifications to run this great country? Please think again…Palin is a political gimmick to try to keep the current status quo in Washington! WAKE UP!
Posted by: Jon | September 12, 2008, 11:52 am 11:52 am
Its scary to read so many comments blindly defending Sarah Palin, whom we just found out about as a country a few weeks ago. We literally know hardly anything about her, but half of you sound as though you’d lay faced-down on hot coals so she could walk across your back. This fanatical blind-faith in strangers who share the same values cuts to the core of whats wrong with this country.
Posted by: Keith | September 12, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm
Lisa Chinn is a perfect example of someone feeding the masses what it wants with her deceptive practices.
Meanwhile, the Pro-Obama sheep come out in droves to divert the issue and point fingers.
Posted by: I C What U Did There | September 12, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
This is a fact check? hahahahah. FAIL. The only people this will convince is those already sold on Obama. Nice sensational headline. Palin is not wrong, you just need to go back further, which one would expect you to do, if this was a fact check as claimed.
Gag me with a spoon.
Posted by: FactCheckLOL | September 12, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm
I noticed that this article only referenced actual VPs, and not VP candidates. For just one example as to why this matters, which major world leader did John Edwards meet with before his VP nomination in 2004?
Posted by: Jesse from Maryland | September 12, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm
John McCain is gambling with all of our lives. What a selfish and reckless act in choosing Palin. This goes beyond whether McCain is cynical or willing to do anything to win. This has to do with supposedly his strong card: National Security. He would put all of our National Security in the hands of a bozo. Who does this sound like again? Why, Bush Sr., who chose Dan Quayle.
The inescapable conclusion is that McCain wants to make sure that, if he wins, Palin will act as a kind of life insurance policy. Sick!!
Posted by: Ben | September 12, 2008, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm
McCain had my vote…McCain lost my vote with Sarah…
She’s frightening. Obama 08!
Posted by: Laura | September 12, 2008, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm
It amazes me so many of the liberals in this country, including Charlie Gibson, are so eager to dismiss as ignorant/stupid/unqualified anyone with whom they disagree.
There is no question the left wants to destroy Sarah Palin through smears, lies, distortions and half truths. She poses a genuine threat to their candidate, Barack Obama.
I pray most people in our country (some use to call them the “Silent Majority”) are paying attention.
Sarah Palin deserves better and so do the rest of us.
Get fair fast and focus on the issues and what the candidates will really do to get this country moving or get out of the debate.
Posted by: Mike | September 12, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
“ABC News’ Lisa Chinn reports”?
No. That is inaccurate. It is unworthy of a once-great network.
Instead, ABC News’ Lisa Chinn distorts.
The headline of the article?
“Fact Check: Palin Wrong on Former VP Credentials”
Is that consistent with the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
It isn’t even close.
Here is a quote from the article:
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Without digging at all deeply into Vice Presidential history (let alone all those who have been in Governor Palin’s situation, who have still been just candidates), how about Harry Truman?
http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1670.html —
• “Truman was a veteran politician and legislator, but he had no experience with foreign policy, so he had to rely on advisors and his own instincts.”
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/presidents/video/truman_10.html#top —
• “Roosevelt keeps Truman out of his inner circle. When the president dies, Truman is nervous and unprepared”
• “He could never shake, Truman said, the feeling that the Roosevelt White House considered him ‘small potatoes.”
• “On April 12, 1945, Truman rushed to the White House. Franklin Roosevelt was dead. Vice president for just 82 days, Harry S. Truman was now president of the United States. He was frightened and insecure. ‘I’m not big enough for this job,’ Truman said.”
Despite all that, when that great icon of the Democrat Party, FDR, picked old “Give ‘em Hell” Harry to be his Veep, Truman didn’t do half bad.
For those who may not be all that familiar with his accomplishments, Truman:
• integrated our armed forces;
• put us into NATO;
• initiated a policy to contain Soviet communism, the Truman Doctrine of 1947;
• saw the Marshall Plan implemented:
• saved a million or more lives on both sides by dropping Fat Man and Little Boy; and,
• in correctly perceiving the challenge Stalin had issued when the Soviet dictator gave the green light to the invasion of South Korea, went to war, showing thereby the kind of toughness today’s Democrats, as a group, can only pretend to have.
Truman did a lot more, but that alone is a good list for someone historians label as “unprepared,” “insecure,” and having “no experience with foreign policy.” Did Truman meet with any foreign leaders before his election to the Vice Presidency? I don’t know. I couldn’t find any such events, but there may have been some. Obviously, however, any such meetings did not weigh heavily in the assessments of historians and biographers.
Posted by: Major Undertaking | September 12, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
Mike is right, we do deserve better than Sarah Palin. The silent majority has spoken, she is a nutter. Thanks Mike!
Posted by: LOLatMike | September 12, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
Over this side of the pond, we thought you guys had at last got wise, and were going to elect a human being again. Seems we might have got that wrong.
Posted by: Bob | September 12, 2008, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm
The Republican party has betrayed America. Palin is nothing more than a continuation of a now decade-old policy of pandering to Dominionists in order to seize a controlling number of electoral votes.
Perhaps GOP really stands for Groupthink Oriented People?
Posted by: Charles | September 12, 2008, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm
They definitely went far enough back to make a difference to me, what do you want to go back to times before the airplane? When traveling was done in horse and buggies? It makes a HUGE difference that she has not even left North America before last year, it shows an ignorance to other cultures. She could be president for christs sake, how could she possibly be expected to keep peaceful relations with other countries when she knows nothing about them, and is a trigger happy redneck??
Posted by: njoy | September 12, 2008, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm
Forget “Head of State”, I want to know if she’s had a conversation with a citizen of _any_ foreign country that wasn’t along the lines of “How much is this duty-free wine?”
Posted by: fehler | September 12, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
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Talk about clutching to threads.
I know for a fact that George Washington never met with foreign leaders.
And Major is so right. Truman had run a habadashery (look it up, slimes) and couldn’t spell VP. But he turned out to be a damn good, damn important president.
PRESIDENT Sarah Palin. Just eats your guts out, huh democrat pukes.
Palin – 08
Posted by: LarryMan | September 12, 2008, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
So what! She is right, more have NOT than have. Lets face it, the Democrats are grasping at straws. I can’t wait until after November and the people have chosen instead of the lowlife media.
Posted by: Patricia | September 12, 2008, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
Exactly Keith. That’s the same “fanatical blind-faith” that many put in Senator Obama.
I agree, a lot of Americans are lazy and don’t research a candidate’s record and positions on issues. This occurs on all sides of the political spectrum. That being said, there are many voters that are well informed. Many voters look into the issues and candidates records. To assume that those who support and defend Gov. Palin (Sen. McCain for that matter) do so on blind-faith is terribly ignorant.
I’ve checked her record as governor, she is a reformer. As far as the foreign policy experience, the same can be said of Senator Obama.
Posted by: Sherina Gallagher | September 12, 2008, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
My previous post suffered from a software-driven deletion, and should have read in the relevant part:
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Here is a quote from the article:
• “Have you ever met a foreign head of state?” Gibson asked Palin Thursday.
• “I have not,” Palin said, “and I think if you go back in history and if you ask that question of many vice presidents, they may have the same answer that I just gave you.”
Without digging at all deeply into Vice Presidential history (let alone all those who have been in Governor Palin’s situation, who have still been just candidates), how about Harry Truman?
My apologies to everyone for any part I played in this error.
Posted by: Major Undertaking | September 12, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
To any who think Gibson was hostile toward Palin: You should watch the O’Reilly “interview” of Obama. THAT is hostile…
Posted by: Mark | September 12, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm
Dear Americans, I am Vladimir Putin, Prime Minister of Russia. I just watched Ms. Palin’s interview and I firmly support her. Please elect her so I can finally take you asshats over. Thank you.
Posted by: Vladimir Putin | September 12, 2008, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm
RE: Mike
“It amazes me so many of the liberals in this country, including Charlie Gibson, are so eager to dismiss as ignorant/stupid/unqualified anyone with whom they disagree.
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Really?……… so…
Hannity, Limbaugh, Coulter, Savage, Malkin et.al , are the very pinnacle of ‘intelligent’ analysis of domestic and world affairs and tolerance…
the real difference between the right and the left is the amount of invective and seething hatred the Republican/Neo-Cons have for anyone who is not ‘one of them’ or ‘think’ like them.
Posted by: Jazzman | September 12, 2008, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
I’m a republican and I actually found Palin’s interview scary. I have no faith in her whatsoever. She barely answered one question. I’ve decided to vote democrat this election (made my mind up long ago actually). After the last 8 years I’ve seen this country go into a downward spiral. As a registered Republican I personally am disgusted to see where we have stooped to as a party. Our candidate has you double talk and lies to fuel his campaign. McCain is not the only one guilty, republicans across the board are. We hounded Obama on his inexperience then we choose this gal and all of a sudden shes has the most experience than all of the candidates combined. Come on lets be serious. Secondly I keep hearing that “she did well for her first time out” HELLO??? Shes the one with all the experience remember? Why does she keep using the same script over and over again? Why does she not know what the Bush doctrine is? Why the hell does she counter McCain on just about every issue she stands for? WHY AREN’T MORE PEOPLE ASKING THEMSELVES THESE QUESTIONS!!!!
Wake up. I’m sick of all this crap. It scares me most that people are actually buying this Republican nonsense! We’ve lost our way I think Obama is the man to do it.
Sorry if I got emotional. But I love this country to death and it makes me sick what I’m seeing, especially last night’s Palin shuffle.
Posted by: Roger | September 12, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
The Palin was clearly out of her depth during this interview and this was a “soft-ball”. Wait until Chris Mathews questions her.
Posted by: Mad Mike | September 12, 2008, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
I was just able to see the few minutes of the interview on Nightline last night and I was very unimpressed by both Palin and Gibson. Gibson was definitely very condescending towards Palin, I guess he didn’t want to seem as if he was letting her off lightly.
Sarah Palin seemed to be a well seasoned politician when it came to some of her answers last night. I especially like the one about we are following god’s will in the war in Iraq. However she goes on to say that she doesn’t know if her son’s deployment to Iraq is gods will!??!? Good way to hit both sides of an issue. But heck, she is coming from a campaign that is causing a fuss over “Lipstick Gate” just so the obama campaign has to go on the defensive for a day or two.
And as someone said to me, “It is easier to vote based on lies and slander, than actually take time out to research the candidates and make a real informed vote” ….
Posted by: Mark | September 12, 2008, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm
A puff piece and she couln’t get that right…..and the Republicans want to sent her WHERE
Posted by: bmaggiemay | September 12, 2008, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm
Interesting article and a very good interview. Palin is not ready for the white house. Anyone who watched the entire interview would be hard pressed to come to a different conclusion. But, what do I know? I’m just a college grad elitist. Maybe I should shoot small animals, chew tobacco, and love me some Jesus. Half of this country is for Palin. And half of this country is populated by illiterate rednecks. Coincidence? We should have let the south secede when we had the chance. Now they’re just like an embarrassing drunk uncle that ruins holidays and always asks for money.
Posted by: crazypantsnopants | September 12, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
Wow, and Republicans are worried about lowering the standards in schools??? If this isn’t an affirmative action choice I don’t know what one is!!
Posted by: Arishia | September 12, 2008, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm
Calston:
“I can name tons of former vp in our country’s 236year history that have not met a foreign head of state.”
Name them.
The world has changed quite a bit since 1789 (the date the constitution took effect)….
Posted by: Matt | September 12, 2008, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
What a question .. Has Obama ever met a head of state? My gosh .. she has near the same credentials that Teddy Roosevelt had before he took office.
Go Sara go!
Posted by: tom | September 12, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
jk, rednecks
Posted by: crazypantsnopants | September 12, 2008, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm
jk, rednecks
Posted by: crazypantsnopants | September 12, 2008, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm
Obama (and McCain) first met French President Nicholas Sarkozy in 2006, who was then Minister of the Interior.
In his Summer worldwide tour, Obama met several heads of state. A few heads of state drove Obama around personally.
Posted by: Dan Anderson | September 12, 2008, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm
Once again, for the geniuses here who “know” Palin was right about “lots of VPs having not met foreign leaders”:
Cheney – met with dozens of world leaders as Secretary of Defense including Saudi leaders before Desert Storm
Gore – met with numerous world leaders while chair of the Governmental Affairs Senate committee and other congressional delegation trips
Quayle – member of Senate Armed Services committee, on several congressional delegations abroad
George Bush – Ambassador to China
Walter Mondale – spent much of his time in the Senate traveling abroad as chair of Intelligence Committee, met with NATO leaders on a regular basis
Nelson Rockefeller – Assistant Secretary of State for Latin American Affairs
Gerald Ford – traveled abroad numerous times while serving as House Minority Leader, met with leaders in Europe, Africa, and southeast Asia
Spiro Agnew – met with Western European leaders on trade negotiation trip while governor of Maryland
H.H. Humphrey – several trips to Western Europe on behalf of his chairmanship of the Select Committee on Disarmament
LBJ – long history of meeting with foreign leaders, most notably while Senate minority leader
Nixon – met with West German chancellor while art of Herter Committee on the Marshall Plan
Alben Barkley – met with Churchill to secure the details of the Lend-Lease Act
Truman – met with Churchill and other Allied leaders while part of the Senate Truman War Committee
Henry Wallace – met with south central Asian and Russian leaders as Secretary of Agriculture
Jack Garner – met with Mexican federal officials during World War I
Chuck Curtis – Met with French, Dutch, and British leaders in regards to defense in the Caribbean as Chairman of the Committee on Coastal Defense
Charles C. Dawes – Met the King of Sweden when awarded the Nobel Peace Prize (among many, many other instances)
Calvin Coolidge – cannot find any evidence he met with any foreign leaders prior to the Vice Presidency
…ok, so there’s one…
James Sherman – Chair of Committee on Indian Affairs (in 1900, the Indian territories were still considered to be sovereign, and thus he negotiated treaties with their leaders)
Charles Fairbanks – member of Joint High Commission which brought American and British leaders together with Canadian Prime Minister Wilfrid Laurier to deal with issues of land ownership in the Yukon
Theodore Roosevelt – met pretty much everyone
Garret A Hobart – Probably the closest analogue to Sarah Palin, spent most of his time in state government, but hosted “sultans and kings” at notorious parties in his Paterson, NJ mansion.
Adlai Stevenson Sr. – spent time in Ireland, but not sure who he met
Levi P. Morton – Ambassador to France, amazingly popular, secured the donation of the Statue of Liberty
Thomas Hendricks – met with French representatives in New Orleans but it doesn’t appear he met with any head of state
Chester A. Arthur – met Robert E. Lee, if you want to count that
Will A. Wheeler – now we’re starting to get into an age when international travel was not as easy
Schuyler Colfax – attended John A. MacDonald’s inauguration as first Prime Minister of Canada
Andrew Johnson – see above regarding Robert E. Lee
Hannibal Hamlin – Minister to France, negotiated the Treaty of 1831
John C. Breckinridge – Negotiated Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in Mexico City
William R. King – Secretary of Legation (aka Consul) to Italy and Russia
Millard Fillmore – no foreign leadership, but was extremely accomplished regardless
…two…
George M. Dallas – Ambassador to Russia
John Tyler – nothing
…three….
Richard M. Johnson – Met with Tecumseh, much to Tecumseh’s dismay. AKA death.
Martin Van Buren – Jackson’s Secretary of State.
John Calhoun – JQA’s Secretary of State.
DD Tompkins – Turned down a chance to be Secretary of State.
Elbridge Gerry – Delegate to France. It didn’t work out so well, if you remember your history.
George Clinton – Negotiated the 1783 treaty with Britain
Aaron Burr – Went all over Europe, played both sides of the French Revolution
Thomas Jefferson – Minister to France, Secretary of State
John Adams – Hung out with the King of France, obviously
…and that leaves us with a total of…THREE, only one of which was less than 100 years ago! Congratulations Governor Palin, you’d be history making in more than one way.
So, please shut up defending this statement, or at least educate yourself first…but then again, you don’t care, you’d rather hear yourself endlessly babble about how right you are about everything than actually learn something. But, that’s what McCain/Palin are counting on: an army of “useful idiots” who can be convinced to defend anything just based on the letter R after their name.
Posted by: Marc | September 12, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
Matt… don’t be an idiot. Palin and Teddy Roosevelt have close to NOTHING in common. Yes they were both Mayors. She was the mayor of a nothing town. He was the mayor of New York City. Yes, both governors. She, Alaska, population smaller than Jacksonville. He, New York. He was also asst. Sec. of the Navy, he fought in a war with the Rough Riders, he was a police commissioner in New York. Yeah, Matt. You’re right. They basically have the same resume. What an idiot.
Posted by: mike | September 12, 2008, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm
Love the exaggerated “Wrong” in the headline of this piece and the hidden clarification in the second paragraph – “oh, actually I meant wrong when it applies to the last five VPs only.” What editor approves this stuff before it’s posted??
Posted by: Amy | September 12, 2008, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm
Excuse me, looks like it’s a total of six, though two of those three (Stevenson + Hendricks) had extensive foreign relations credentials.
Just ask yourself this question: if Sarah Palin is qualified to be Vice President, who ISN’T?
Posted by: Marc | September 12, 2008, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm
“Love the exaggerated “Wrong” in the headline of this piece and the hidden clarification in the second paragraph – “oh, actually I meant wrong when it applies to the last five VPs only.” What editor approves this stuff before it’s posted??”
Amy – see my post and educate yourself…took about 10 minutes of Googling to find. Or just keep believing what you already think – ignorance is bliss.
Posted by: Marc | September 12, 2008, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm
She lies. She doesn’t even think beforehand. And she doesn’t care that you can perform a quick Google search and find the real answer.
Posted by: jgg | September 12, 2008, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm
For Marc:
Would you please cite your source(s)?
Was that your scholarship or someone else’s?
You say: “Walter Mondale – spent much of his time in the Senate traveling abroad as chair of Intelligence Committee, met with NATO leaders on a regular basis.” Which of those are you telling us were “foreign heads of state,” if you know?
Please note: these are sincere questions, and do not constitute a contention that you are in error, any more than they constitute a contention that you are correct.
Posted by: Major Undertaking | September 12, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm
On watching the interview of Sarah Palin,one can not but think that she “wouldn’t even blink” if asked to be the Pope, and if she was qualified.
She’d likely answer “Charlie, Yes! Everyone knows I was baptized Catholic, and by the way, I KNOW which tasks are from God and which aren’t!”
Posted by: El Mugroso | September 12, 2008, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm
One of us? Why does a president (I know she’s running for VP, but let’s face it, McCain’s going to die from an overdose of prune juice) need to be “one of us.” Personally I want the leader of the most powerful, nuclear armed nation in the world to be intelligent and savvy. We’re talking about a woman who went to community college and then an unranked, tier 3 university taking 5 1/2 years to get an undergraduate’s degree in… JOURNALISM!!!
This woman didn’t know what the Bush Doctrine is. She wants to bring Ukraine into NATO. She probably has no idea of the rocky (to say the least) nature of Ukrainian politics, the poor condition of their military, the fact that they only spend 1.1% of GDP on their military while the minimum threshold for NATO members is 2%. She probably also unaware of what percentage of the Ukranian population supports entrance into NATO (less than Bush’s approval rating). But let’s hypothetically say she convinces NATO to grant Ukraine membership and they accept. What do we do when Russia foments discontent, Yuschenko “disappears” and suddenly a NATO member state is lead by a government aligned with NATO’s primary adversary? Somebody tell me, because I don’t know. And neither does Palin.
Voting for someone who is “like me” is tantamount to saying that “I” have the ability to run the country. Frankly, the idea someone with my intelligence running the country is scary. Think of it this way, would you trust yourself to perform open heart surgery on a loved one? I wouldn’t, because I don’t have the education for it. How is the most powerful job in the world any different? For an average person to vote for someone on that basis is saying quite a bit about their ego.
Posted by: Art | September 12, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
Marc?
Where are you, Marc?
With all due respect, Marc, please take just a smidgeon of your extraordinarily valuable time to answer the questions I posed.
Did you leave for some reason, Marc?
I hope you’re not away too long. Your kind of scholarship is so very valuable to public fora like this one.
Posted by: Major Undertaking | September 12, 2008, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
Major, you are quibbling in an effort to win an argument at the expense of overarching issue. “Foreign heads of state” is meant as a meter for foreign policy experience. She hasn’t met with anyone of consequence is what everyone has been trying to get at. It doesn’t matter if the NATO leaders Mondale met with were “heads of state”.
Posted by: art | September 12, 2008, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm
I think maybe we need to fact check the fact checker.
When she said go back in history, she did not limit it to 32 years. News flash to the reporter–this country is over 200 years old!
Also, the statement ABC attributed to her regarding global warming wasn’t inconsistent with what she said in the interview either. I have no idea whether she ever said anything inconsistent, but the quote they used wasn’t.
It’s too bad reporters can’t do a better job. This really seems lazy on the reporter’s part. Only go back 32 years to check prior VP history and find a quote on global warming that doesn’t quite work, but stop there because it’s close enough?
Posted by: Kary L. Krismer | September 12, 2008, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm
Palin = Teddy Roosevelt?
OMG
Spin. Spin away.
Spin away any chance of recovering your credibility.
Posted by: Leonard Peltier | September 12, 2008, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm
you people live in fantasy world crying about the government not doing anything and people losing jobs and there houses.Those job losses are for jobs no longer needed and the housing crisis is people who bought homes they couldnt afford.Obamas not going to change the fact the you people cant do anything for your selves anymore and take resposibility for you own actions including all the lazy drug using welfare people in america who have no desire to get a real job and work like the rest of us and by the way you democrats think im rich for making 50,000 a year.
Posted by: matt bellman | September 12, 2008, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm
you people live in fantasy world crying about the government not doing anything and people losing jobs and there houses.Those job losses are for jobs no longer needed and the housing crisis is people who bought homes they couldnt afford.Obamas not going to change the fact the you people cant do anything for your selves anymore and take resposibility for you own actions including all the lazy drug using welfare people in america who have no desire to get a real job and work like the rest of us and by the way you democrats think im rich for making 50,000 a year.
Posted by: matt bellman | September 12, 2008, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm
Hey Matt, pay your damn taxes!!! We need 10 billion of your dollars each month for rebuilding Iraq.
Posted by: Tony Martin | September 12, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
Norman Ornstein, a resident scholar at the Right-wing American Enterprise Institute, said that under interrogation the governor showed “a series of knowledge and logic gaps that ought to shake every foreign policy specialist, liberal or conservative, Democrat or Republican, to his or her roots”.
Posted by: midwestmom08 | September 12, 2008, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm
Art —
Upon attempting to post, I got a notice to the effect that the system is contemplating whether to allow my answer to a couple of your posts to go through or not. I wouldn’t want you to think I was ducking you in any way. Apparently, citing URLs in support of one or more points may be frowned upon, or perhaps it is some other sin I had no idea was so egregious.
Major
Posted by: Major Undertaking | September 12, 2008, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm
Art —
John McCain’s mother is a spry 96, and he has proved as few others have that he’s a lot tougher to kill than a lot of other people, so we don’t know that John McCain won’t out-live Sarah Palin, let alone that he’s “going to die from an overdose of prune juice,” or from any other, likelier cause, for that matter.
No President needs to be “one of us.” That said, it is very helpful to a President’s use of the bully pulpit if the public relates to their President and trusts her or him. That means it could have a large impact on great issues of state.
While it is just ducky to know what you want, personally, Art, Governor Palin has demonstrated intelligence and savvy, despite your implication that she has not. She has gone up against the old boy network in her own party and beaten them — twice. She has beaten Big Oil — twice. She has run a business. How elitist to criticize anyone as to where they went to college or how long they took to get their degree! Some of our greatest leaders have had less than stellar collegiate careers, and some of our greatest failures have been demonstrably brilliant, intellectually. By the way, have you thought through your evidently low opinion of journalists?
To me, it looked very much as if Governor Palin was unsure of what the “Bush Doctrine” is — or unsure of what Charles Gibson meant by the phrase. However, alternate explanations for her reactions are within the realm of possibility. More significantly, ABC’s Gibson and others in his profession — remembering that you, Art, apparently despise that profession — have had a whole series of “definitions” as to what constitutes the “Bush Doctrine.”
See: http://tinyurl.com/ — plus each of the following: 3u4kx8 and 65kf and ftcb2 and 3pbtch and 27dtn9 for support of this point.
Perhaps, though, Art, you would like to represent that you can tell us — with all the certainty you seem to feel Governor Palin lacked — what the next question posed to Senator Obama or Senator Biden comprehends before those two worthies ask for clarification, the next time they do so.
Here’s what I think, Art: Sarah Palin was far too smart to be duped by Charlie Gibson into answering without clarification a “gotcha” question as to something that has so many facets and about which there seems to be so much disagreement. Your contentions as to her knowledge of the facts you assert on the subject of the Ukraine may well be the case, for all I know. You say “probably,” yourself, however. That’s not a standard of proof in your book, is it, Art?
You ask, Art, “What do we do when Russia foments discontent, Yuschenko ‘disappears’ and suddenly a NATO member state is lead by a government aligned with NATO’s primary adversary? Somebody tell me, because I don’t know. And neither does Palin.” Excellent question! Has Senator Obama or Senator Biden been asked that question, yet? (I did not find a record of their having been asked, nor of any candidate having been asked that question about any prospective NATO member, ever, but perhaps I am not the best qualified to search for that answer.) I suspect diplomats have thought of the possibility. I suspect the agreements that govern NATO comprehend just such possibilities. I’m just guessing, though. You, by contrast, seem so certain that Governor Palin does not know. What would you care to offer as proof?
Posted by: Major Undertaking | September 12, 2008, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm
So What! Arkansas Governor Bill
Clinton had never met a fpreign head
of state before becoming President!
Bogus issue!
Palin is more qualified to be President
than the “Community Organizer”!
Lookout below the McCain/Palin
Landslide is roaring down the mountain!
Posted by: reaganfan | September 12, 2008, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm
Sorry I meant to post foreign!
Posted by: reaganfan | September 12, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
Hey, the “subterfuge” worked!
Posted by: Major Undertaking | September 12, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
Palin’s plans to go to war against Russia will require the USA to REINSTATE the DRAFT so the necessary divisions can be fully trained and fully provided with all necessary equipment and arms.
McCain’s answer, given in a town hall is to REINSTATE the DRAFT to support the on-going wars in the middle east.
Add it up, many new divisions for the two fronts against the Russians in the Ukraine and Georgia and 6 divisions to support the troops rotating home from the middle east.
The Russian premier made a comment today IN RESPONSE TO PALIN’s comment yesterday.
HE SAID HE WOULD ADVANCE INTO GEORGIA AGAIN IF HE HAS TO DEFEND SOUTH OSSETIA FROM GEORGIA. And PALIN SAYS WE SHOULD GO TO WAR WITH RUSSIA IF THEY ADVANCE INTO GEORGIA AGAIN. Its all recorded.
Remember, Bush and Mccain opposed the new GI bill, because they did want anyone in the military to retire and come home to go to college. They know they will have to implement a draft and right soon.
REGISTER, and vote to end the regime of war as a political tool. McCain said recently that we need 100,000 more troops in the army. Under 36, you will be drafted. REGISTER and vote.
Posted by: Bruce Becker | September 12, 2008, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm
Mccain chose her for a reason. Further pursue of drilling in Alaska and get those gains on stock market and be working closely with oil companies.
Posted by: BMW330Ci | September 12, 2008, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm
Back on the “quibbling” accusation you made, Art: here is the money quote, or, more precisely, here are the money quotes from the Chinn ‘reportage’:
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Quote:
Sarah Palin attempted to deflect a question about the fact she has never met a foreign head of state by saying that “many” other vice presidential nominees in history hadn’t met a head of state either.
However Palin was mistaken, at least where recent history is concerned.
Every vice president over the last 30 years had met a foreign head of state before being elected.
“Have you ever met a foreign head of state?” Gibson asked Palin Thursday.
“I have not,” Palin said, “and I think if you go back in history and if you ask that question of many vice presidents, they may have the same answer that I just gave you.”
However Palin, who obtained her first passport two years ago, would in fact be the first vice president in 32 years who hadn’t met a foreign head of state, if she were elected.
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Note, please, Art, the many times the exact phrases are used, “Back on the “quibbling” accusation you made, Art: here is the money quote, or, more precisely, here are the money quotes from the Chinn ‘reportage’:
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Quote:
Sarah Palin attempted to deflect a question about the fact she has never met a foreign head of state by saying that “many” other vice presidential nominees in history hadn’t met a head of state either.
However Palin was mistaken, at least where recent history is concerned.
Every vice president over the last 30 years had met a foreign head of state before being elected.
“Have you ever met a foreign head of state?” Gibson asked Palin Thursday.
“I have not,” Palin said, “and I think if you go back in history and if you ask that question of many vice presidents, they may have the same answer that I just gave you.”
However Palin, who obtained her first passport two years ago, would in fact be the first vice president in 32 years who hadn’t met a foreign head of state, if she were elected.
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Note, please, Art, the many times the exact phrase is used, “met a foreign head of state,” or, “met a head of state.” I count at least five, and that’s in a mere six sentences. Somebody was trying very hard to make a point, don’t you think?
I do, and it was in that light, together with the nature of the post I was addressing, that I posted what I did. Again, Art, under the circumstances, I hope you can see why I don’t think it is quibbling at all, both with the original article and with the post I was addressing.
Posted by: Major Undertaking | September 12, 2008, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm
The posting function appears somewhat overworked, ABC.
Posted by: Major Undertaking | September 12, 2008, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm
To the proud Republican outraged that Barack didn’t produce his birth cert:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert
I don’t care whether Sarah Palin met a head of state of not. I care that she is a religious hot head who will lead this country into nuclear war and if we survive it, will do nothing to help the economy. This woman did not even know what the Bush Doctrine was. Anyone who thinks she is fit to lead is insane.
Alaskan Palin Page: http://www.grizzlybay.org/SarahPalinInfoPage.htm
Posted by: Natalie | September 12, 2008, 8:12 pm 8:12 pm
from his lips…. to your ears:
“I am prepared. I am prepared. I need no on-the-job training.”
“I wasn’t a mayor for a short period of time. I wasn’t a governor for a short period of time.”
John S. McCain
Posted by: Jazzman | September 12, 2008, 8:23 pm 8:23 pm
the B.S. never ends:
this kind of stuff cheapens McCain’s history..
you can’t ask McCain any questions as the de facto answer by his surrogates is : ‘he was a POW’.
Just Wondering [Jonah Goldberg]
“Does anyone know why McCain doesn’t use a computer or email? As a couple readers suggested to me, it might be because his injuries prevent it. I mean he can’t lift his arms much higher than his chest and it looks like he has all sorts of other mobility problems with them. Maybe he can’t type or use something like a blackberry. I don’t know. But I hope the Obama campaign found out before they played the granpa Simpson card on McCain. I’d hate for Obama to be mocking a veteran’s disability to score cheap points. “
Posted by: Jazzman | September 12, 2008, 9:24 pm 9:24 pm
For Natalie —
Sarah Palin is not a religious hot head. Anyone who has told you that is ignorant, unintelligent, or intentionally leading you astray. She was baptized a Catholic. Her family moved to Alaska, where she was raised in a different church that believes in some unusual things, but after a time she left that church and has adopted a much more mainstream faith over a significant number of years since. If you believe you have some actual evidence to support your thesis, then by all means, trot it out.
Sarah Palin will not lead this country into nuclear war, any more than John F. Kennedy did. Sometimes, having said that, it becomes necessary to let one’s adversary know that you will, if all efforts at diplomacy fail and you are confronted with a legitimate and immediate threat to your nation’s security, do whatever is necessary to protect and defend the Constitution and our country, generally. Modern presidents of this country have had to live with that awful reality and everything it entails. Some have done better than others. My observation is that we are never in so much danger as when we appear — to our enemies — weak, vacillating and unable to defend ourselves.
The idea that Sarah Palin “will do nothing to help the economy” is total bunk. She has done a great deal to help the state of Alaska — by which I mean the people she has sworn to serve. She saved them money, cutting the budget. She got more money out of the oil companies, which she then sent to the people, rather than growing the size and scope of government. She also revived a moribund and far too costly natural gas pipeline deal, which will be good for Alaskans, good for the lower 48, and good for the energy producers. It will also be environmentally sound. Nothing to help the economy? Hogwash!
Natalie, you said, “This woman did not even know what the Bush Doctrine was.” As I noted in an earlier post, that phrase is not from this administration. It is a term of art. Technically, it refers to four different things. Do you know what each of them is, Natalie? You don’t need to, but if you want to know and don’t, I’ll be happy to supply an URL for you. The bottom line, as I noted in another post here, is that Governor Palin was exactly right to seek clarification from Charlie Gibson as to what he meant, because it could have been any of the four, any combination of them, his own idea as to what is meant by the “Bush Doctrine,” or someone else’s. How would she know without asking him?
Last, Natalie, you said, “Anyone who thinks she is fit to lead is insane.” I think she’s fit to lead, but I don’t know her all that well. The people of the town in which she grew up, played hard and led her team to the state basketball championship put her on the city council. They subsequently proceeded to elect her mayor. She was chosen to serve on an important, statewide committee dealing with serious energy issues. When she discovered corruption and influence peddling, she tried to get it stopped. Frustrated in her initial attempt, she made another. Frustrated by the whole system of the corrupting influence of big oil’s money in the state, she took on the sitting governor of her own party and won.
I mentioned some of her major accomplishments, above. She has run a small business. She has been in the PTA, on the town council and won election as mayor. She served on that important, statewide committee. She ran against the incumbent governor of her own party and won. She is the only governor in America whose state borders two other nations. According to independent analysis, only four other governors are rated as powerful, and only one more powerful, than Sarah Palin. Right now, she enjoys an amazing 80% popularity, nearly two years after winning election to that office. She has done all this while leading an exciting, full life as a daughter, sister, wife and the mother of five kids.
She has given of herself unstintingly. She has served her family, her community, her state and her nation. She has led, including being the head of the Alaska National Guard. She has bucked the system, the good old boys, her own party and the oil companies. In all of her endeavors, she has shown energy, drive, competitiveness and high accomplishment. Yet, she has also worked effectively across the aisle with legislators of both parties, and brought Republicans, Democrats and Independents into her administration. She isn’t merely fit to lead, Natalie: she is highly suited to lead. In fact, in these times of energy supply and price crises, Sarah Palin is uniquely qualified to lead.
Anyone who thinks she is unfit to lead is ignorant, idiotic, insincere or insane. You can tell them I said so. If only Senators Obama and Biden were as well qualified, but, alas, they can’t measure up.
Posted by: Major Undertaking | September 12, 2008, 11:24 pm 11:24 pm
Obama has had 173 days experience in Washington DC, so the question shouldn’t be; is Palin or Biden more qualified? The question should be; is Palin as qualified as Barak Hussien Obama? I can’t believe this country would even consider a Presidential candidate (Obama) that is primarily a University teacher. You know what they say, those that “can do – do”, and those that “can’t = teach”. I appreciate teachers, but it doesn’t mean I want one leading the greatest super-power on the planet.
Posted by: Randella | September 12, 2008, 11:53 pm 11:53 pm
I don’t know if Chinn is born here but if not she better go back to her native country because she is as stupid as they come. There are politicians that never met a head of state and who cares. That can come at a later date. I am surprised at Charlie for asking a dumb question. She didn’t need to meet a head of state as a governor. Chinn and Charlie should join hands together.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | September 13, 2008, 3:11 am 3:11 am
Truth Before Prophets: Don’t get upset because she accomplished more in her life than you ever will and Obama ever will. Because if he was a community organizer it was in the southside slums of Chicago. His neighborhood was a slum, run down ghetto before the city cleaned it up. For your information she answered every question without stuttering like Obama does when he is caught with a question he can’t answer quickly.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | September 13, 2008, 3:15 am 3:15 am
ms5186: Yes we will be in a crisis if Obama is elected president. And I mean the biggest disaster this nation ever seen. He doesn’t have the sense to come in out of the rain much less run the country. All he has is a mouth like Biden, uses copied speeches because he can’t form his own and doesn’t have the capabilities to run this country. But he has the ability to run it to the ground.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | September 13, 2008, 3:18 am 3:18 am
Natalie: Who cares about war. Whatever will be will be and you can’t stop it and neither can the president. I was young then when world war 11 broke out and that was some war. What are you afraid of. Obama would get us into a war quicker than Palin because he is stupid enough to make friends with the enemy that will laugh behind his back. He is the dumbest of the dumb.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | September 13, 2008, 3:22 am 3:22 am
There are a lot of comments from people that are eaten up with jealousy because Palin was chosen for the VP job and Obama didn’t choose Hillary. That’s too bad. Hillary wasn’t smart enough for the DNC and went along with Nancy Pelosi. You make your bed you lie in it. Palin is a lot smarter than that and would let Nancy have it. Hillary got cheated on the delegates because Nancy wanted Obama to be president but she is going to get fooled and I am going to celebrate.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | September 13, 2008, 3:27 am 3:27 am
Natalie —
If you’re still confused about what the “Bush Doctrine” constitutes, see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_Doctrine
I gave other links in a prior post, if you want to know even more.
Posted by: Major Undertaking | September 13, 2008, 5:02 am 5:02 am
The man who first used the term, “Bush Doctrine,” a conservative pundit and columnist, Charles Krauthammer, takes Charlie Gibson to task, both for not knowing the true meaning of the term, and for pretending he did, during the Palin interview:
http://tinyurl.com/42ojgw
Posted by: Major Undertaking | September 13, 2008, 5:58 am 5:58 am
Too bad the McCain Palin folks here ( person )
are so reluctant to deal with the out and out lies they are parading out. Palin & McCain have been exposed for the frauds and liars they are.
You folks can scream & yell and call fouls, but it doesn’t change reality.
re: “Mariann Pepitone”
“I don’t know if Chinn is born here but if not she better go back to her native country”
spoken like a true Repug, you guys are soooo ‘christian’ and xenophobic…
Now, if your really concerned the ‘real’ Americans, and, sending everyone else back to their ‘native’ country, there’s going to be a lot of folks leaving, including you.
Posted by: Jazzman | September 13, 2008, 6:32 am 6:32 am
McCains’s “Bomb, bomb, bomb, Iran” Beach Boys act,, CREEPY, .. and that weird Dr. Sardonicus death grin he makes when he laughs at his own jokes….
He can’t even handle the ladies on that ‘View’ TV show,,
Posted by: Jazzman | September 13, 2008, 6:45 am 6:45 am
GRASSROOTS EFFORT THAT CAN DISABLE THE REPUBLICAN ENERGY CRISIS FRONT
Drill, drill, drill is the Republican ticket’s answer to our energy problems. While Palin basically said in her acceptance speech that, duh, republicans know there is a energy problem, she gave no legit progressive options for solving the problem. If this woman is their so-called expert on energy and her answer to the serious energy problem is so narrow focused to infer that oil is our only energy problem then the US has major problems. More drilling is a stop gap measure that merely delays real progress in breaking oil dependency by the world. However, in recognizing that there is a vast number of Americans who have been wooed by the “we-can-solve-our-own-problems” message and actually believe the Republicans have a novel approach, drilling in ANWR and the Gulf, to solve our problems; we, the more progressive, must now plan a nationwide and concertive effort to stop the madness. It is really rather a simply approach with a very strong and potential effect for change, and is based on simple supply and demand concepts. If Americans would cut back on the consumption of oil, i.e., less trips about town, fuel efficient car purchases and only filling up on gas when it is at its lowest cost, biking, electric lawn equipment, etc., we could cut the need for domestic drilling and force the price of oil down. When this happens the need for immediate oil relief does not become the topic de jour and fuel the republican’s daily dose of pain to americans. Obama and Biden can then actually force McCain and Palin to talk about real alternative energy policies where they will be exposed for their ineptness.
Posted by: Ann from Louisville | September 13, 2008, 6:54 am 6:54 am
Thank you Charlie Gipson for three things. First, for finally providing the information necessary in order for one to fully formulate an opinion of Governor Palin as a potential VP. It was apparent from your interview with Gov. Palin that she is too inexperienced to provide the leadership and direction americans deserve and need, and that she represents little, if any, real change from the Bush administration’s policies. Second, and just as important as the first, thank you for reassuring americans that the media is not going to be controlled by the republican-style fear tactics in asking this woman (and following up on inconsistencies) pertinent and germane questions about her views, decisions, embellished accomplishments and experience. Finally, thank you for not allowing yourself to be a victim of Gov. Palin’s reverse sexism in her approach to charming the male species with her infectious winking and smiling. Charlie Gipson, you are a professional in your field.
Posted by: Ann | September 13, 2008, 7:10 am 7:10 am
You know I don’t think Gibson wanted to be condescending. In fact, Palin is condescending when she answers Gibson’s question on going across the Pakistani border.
The question about meeting a Head of State wouldn’t be such a big deal if she had just simply said no and not been so defensive about it. If she had just said, “Nope, never met one till last year.” I would have just thought, well she’s slightly less qualified. Instead, she went on to make a presumptuous comment (not her first) about the majority of VP’s in our history. So not only is she less qualified, but she would also have us believe that because she’s less qualified, she’s qualified. Very Conventional Republicanism at this point. She’s a pro.
Posted by: Dan | September 13, 2008, 7:59 am 7:59 am
My God, you McCainiacs are delusional. This was not a hit piece, it was a piece of reporting that showed your candidate to be either a liar or wrong. Just because the piece reflects badly on your candidate doesn’t mean it was unfair. The truth hurts though, doesn’t it? Why, you’ll then ask why haven’t they done the same to Obama… because the story there is that all those snarky allegations are lies and GOP mudslinging, not the truth. Wake up, you’re backing a bad choice.
Posted by: M. Smith | September 13, 2008, 8:16 am 8:16 am
If the pubs want another 8 years of economic decline, alienation of foriegn allies, continued dependence on foreign oil, outsourcing of your jobs to foreign workers, government bail-outs for corporations that steal from the people, declaration of war based on fabricated intelligence, a President who thinks health care should continue to be dictated by the insurance companies and pharmeceutical industry, I could go on and on. The point is this country has been in a steady decline under the Bush administration and it is the same conservative thinking that will continue under a McCain/Palin administration. Granted Obama may not be the best choice for the Dems to have nominated but given the state of the country, as an independent, I have to go with Obama anyway and have faith his administration will error on the side of the people. McCain and Palin have already shown their hand with the lies they continue to spout even after they are exposed. It was lies that got us in the Iraqi war and continued cover-ups that keep us there. It is evident McCain will continue on this same course.
Posted by: LEH | September 13, 2008, 8:17 am 8:17 am
There was nothing wrong with Charlie’s interview style. He was kind compared to Billo’s interview with Obama on FOX. He asked her questions that have been out there and she just couldn’t answer them. Her next interview is with Hannity, the most far right media personality on cable who has taken it on as his personal mission to destroy Obama. I am sure it will be well rehearsed and she will look like the next Saviour on earth and “it will be god’s will”. What crap!
Posted by: Pol | September 13, 2008, 8:29 am 8:29 am
If something were to happen to McCain 10 days into office, is THIS the person we want taking over? I don’t want her giving the White House tour much less sitting in the Oval Office. We really have low expectations in this country. It’s almost as if the Republican party intentionally tries to find candidates that are the least educated and informed.
Posted by: Jerry | September 13, 2008, 8:59 am 8:59 am
in her interview with Gibson, when confronted with the FACT that despite crusading against ‘earmarks’, that she had also gotten ‘earmarks’
in substantial amounts, Palin’s reply was : yes, she got earmarks but her’s were obtained in the daytime, not secretly at night behind closed doors.
so…. that makes it OK…
I mean, REALLY….. if it wasn’t so dumb it would be funny.
Posted by: Jazzman | September 13, 2008, 9:06 am 9:06 am
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Posted by: Mockerfab4 | September 13, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am
This report is misleading, her statement as anyone who has studied history knows is factually correct. Who cares if she has met some foreign dictators for a brief foto opportunity? She is a breath of fresh air in a stagnant political pool.
It is a governors job to get as many federal earmarks as they can and use the money as well as possible. Give her a break.
Posted by: CJerry | September 13, 2008, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm
I saw the Sarah’s interview with Charlie and read the transcript. Sarah answered Charlie’s question and gave a direct answer, NO. She went further to make a factually correct statement. Charlie was too intent on being RUDE to ask the appropriate follow up question. If you do not like the answer then next time have your political hacks as better questions. The insantiy of an alleged journalist blaming the interviewer for the shortcomings of a fellow journalist is STUPID!
The truth and facts just get in the way of Obama’s profits at ABC. What next, can we expect ABC to manufacture documents and report them as truth like Dan Rather and his producers?
Posted by: JudyR | September 13, 2008, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm
Here’s a picture of her meeting a foreign head of state: http://gov.state.ak.us/large_photo.php?id=72
Posted by: Haukur | September 13, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
I am saddend at the slanted reporting on this site. Try to sit back and take a look at what you are doing. I thought your job was to report fairly. I find your reporting is slanted. I feel the two campaigns are way to confrontational. They both should be concentrating on telling us the positive things they will attempt to work on as the President and Vice President. No more mud slining shame on you ABC
Posted by: Phil | September 13, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
You uninformed folks who are bashing Palin for not knowing the Bush Doctrine are revealing your ignorance, just as Gibson revealed his. There are more than one so-called Bush Doctrine(s).
Palin referred to the latest one; poor ol’ Charlie still had the old one stuck in his brain.
This hockey mom wants to hear more from Sarah, but she’s definitely looking better than someone who thinks we have 57 states. And you Obamamites have the nerve to call Palin dumb???
Posted by: habee4380 | September 13, 2008, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
I may be mistaken but I thought she added that probably many recent VP’s had meet heads of countries because they were in the loop as already being in Washington politics. Could be wrong, I thought there were only 50 states not 57 with maybe a couple more as Barack Obama said earlier in the campaign.
Posted by: Brian | September 13, 2008, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
Does this mean that every U.S. Congressman or Senator is qualified or capable of being the President? Okay, now, let’s find out how many Presidents ever met a foreigh leader before becoming President. This could turn into another trivia game!
I say Palin, in order to satisfy the doubters, needs to have some rock concerts in Europe. Be sure to invite their leaders. Does this mean that everyone who meets a foreign leader has to have an actual conversation with them?
This election is going to create thousands of new comedians!
McCain/Palin ’08
Country First!
CHANGE WASHINGTON!
Posted by: georgia | September 13, 2008, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm
Another election and another choice between the lesser of two evils, yet again. There’s a reason politician is a dirty word. You have to have a MASSIVE ego and no problem lying and telling people that you and ONLY you know what is best for them. I just can’t afford to move out of this country
Posted by: Dan | September 13, 2008, 8:08 pm 8:08 pm
This article could use a wording tune up to make it a little more balanced. Especially in the headline. It suggests Palin was entirely wrong, and then talks about how she was only wrong with regard to the past 30 years? Slanted.
@ habee4380 (and majorundertaking, somewhat)
I think you’re wrong about that. Charlie Gibson got it about as correct as anyone could. The idea of “multiple Bush Doctrines” is still being contended in academic circles because of the many apparent shifts in Bush’s strategy and the disagreement about how to partition his overall strategy. Some foreign policy experts still refer to a singular doctrine.
Charlie was very careful to say the following:
GIBSON: No, the Bush doctrine, enunciated September 2002, before the Iraq war.
And many, many foreign policy experts agree that the root of the Bush doctrine was stated in Sept. 2002, and that statement introduced preemptive war. Charles Krauthammer, though the first to use the term, is not the sole authority on its use nor its definition. He is one man, and it will be the consensus (or lack thereof) of experts in foreign policy that will decide how the term is applied. So as far as pleasing everyone, Charlie referred to the definition common at the origin of all the contending “Bush Doctrines”.
As a personal note,every class I’ve ever taken on modern history since high school has never called Krauthammer’s definition the “Bush Doctrine”. Most of them went for a composite of ideas, but preemptive war was always the core.
Don’t come out taking swings at people with incomplete information.You end up looking just as “ignorant” as you claim they do. I’ve been seeing too many democrats and republicans go berserk with nothing but an obscured fact to back them up. Calm down, and have a discussion. Your unchecked gut reactions do nothing but tear the country apart.
Definitions of the Bush Doctrine intentionally exclude references to Islamic extremism to prevent from limiting its scope, and Palin made it the core of her initial response, which then spun off in some strange direction about mistakes and the beauty of elections…
Read this, it outlines a lot of the ideas even though its a little dated:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/nssall.html
Palin really let me down with a lot of her responses, and I believe a lot of other independents who have been doing their homework and listening in for something of substance to commit their vote to. Her answers seemed scripted, and at some points largely uninformed especially with regard to Russia…
Palin did not do a good job here, unless your standard for her was low.Charlie was probably talking down to her because she refused to give him clear, well thought out answers to his questions. She went off on too many digressions, and her conviction only really showed itself on the simplest of issues. Locking in on the mission and never blinking? I need a little more cognition in my vice president than that.
Posted by: annarbormike | September 13, 2008, 8:40 pm 8:40 pm
majorundertaking:
John McCain has decided to learn how to use the internet. (from the N.Y. Times)
“I am learning to get online myself, and I will have that down fairly soon, getting on myself,” McCain told the New York Times in an interview that appeared Sunday. “I don’t expect to be a great communicator, I don’t expect to set up my own blog, but I am becoming computer literate to the point where I can get the information that I need.”
Even so, McCain bluntly admits, “I don’t e-mail. I’ve never felt the particular need to e-mail.”
The problem with you my friend and many others is that you don’t understand that one can admire John McCain for his service and sacrifice for America and still be critical of him.
He is an amazing and courageous American, but, … he’s not god.
It doesn’t mean he can’t make mistakes and say dumb stuff,.. he has, he does, and most likely he will continue to do so. It doesn’t mean that McCain and company aren’t blatantly, to put it mildly, telling lies.
McCain is a great American. When he uses his story as a de facto answer to questions or comments he doesn’t like,… that… is what cheapens his experience.
There is a difference between honoring someone for exceptional service to his country
and blind worship.
Posted by: Jazzman | September 13, 2008, 9:44 pm 9:44 pm
and one more thing:
When I was younger I had a neighbor, an ‘oldtimer’ who I had known for many years. He used to help me with anything mechanical, I mean he could fix anything. I always was amazed how he knew how to do all of it so when he asked me to help him get some bricks up to his roof to do some chimney repair, as we were working I asked him where he got all of his knowledge from..
he paused for a second, and said ‘well,.. OK I’ll tell ya, lets take a break..’
so, he lit up a cigarette, we sat on the roof and he told me that during WWll he was in the Pacific in a lot of battles, and most of what he learned was because they had to fix everything as supplies were really scarce and they were being bombed and shot at.. if they couldn’t really fix it, they patched it as best they could..and as fast as they could.
This was a really sweet gentle old ‘little guy’, and it was hard to imagine him back in WWll, it’s just hard sometimes to see ‘old folks’ as young folks……..then… he showed me where he has been shot in the leg.
I can’t remember all of the details but it was something like:
He told me that one of his good buddies had somehow gotten lost in the jungle during an attack, all hell was breaking loose, and that he went out to find him and bring him back.
he found him unconscious, threw him over his shoulder and in the process of returning was shot in the leg, he patched up his own leg as best he could and made it back with his friend.
I told him that was about the bravest thing I had ever heard to which he said ‘everybody did things like that, it was no big deal, you had to do what needed to be done’. Without really thinking I said that ‘they must have given you a bunch of medals’. He said ‘nah’, never got em’ didn’t want or need em’… gettin’ my friend back was enough’. I said that he deserved some kind of recognition for his bravery under fire and rescuing his friend and getting shot.
I said that if he didn’t mind, I wanted to start contacting people who would see to it that he would be given what I felt was his due.
He just said ‘that’s very nice of you, well, breaks over, lets finish the chimney’.
I bring this ‘oldtimer’ up because his service, valor and sacrifice was different than McCains, but no less profound. He never felt the need to publicize it or brag about it or even feel slighted that there were honors due him that he never received. He didn’t want anyone even to be talking about his amazing story.
Posted by: Jazzman | September 13, 2008, 11:42 pm 11:42 pm
Ms. Chin,
Thanks first pointing out the obvious deflection. Then you did some research and that Palin “would in fact be the first vice president in 32 years who hadn’t met a foreign head of state, if she were elected.” Probably could have gone back at least fifty years found the only one that hadn’t turned out to be a lousy VP choice, Spiro Agnew. Anyone remember why Spiro Agnew left office?
Now if you go back before the era of the jet aircraft, I am sure you will find more vice presidents that did not meet foreign leaders.
Posted by: MrUniteUs | September 14, 2008, 1:45 am 1:45 am
All this bickering is futile- here is the only question that matters…
If, for the last two weeks, the Republicans have been tutoring Sarah Palin on issues and policy, and teaching her all THEIR talking points, where is the Change and/or Reform?
Posted by: oldwhiteguy | September 14, 2008, 5:05 am 5:05 am
Keep up the good work. Out Palin. Don’t be intimidated. Asking questions, hard questions, is your job. Resist the Rights efforts to demonize the media and intelligence.
Posted by: everyman | September 14, 2008, 7:09 am 7:09 am
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/09/13/abc-news-edited-out-key-parts-sarah-palin-interview
Posted by: EditingGoneOverboard? | September 14, 2008, 11:41 am 11:41 am
Jerry asked, “If something were to happen to McCain 10 days into office, is THIS the person we want taking over?” I can assist Jerry with that. The correct answer is, of course, “Yes.” (That goes for 10 days, or any other number.)
Let us examine Governor Palin’s abilities by comparing them with those of her opponents …
• Have either Barack Obama or Joe Biden ever run a business? No. Has Governor Palin? Yes. Advantage: Governor Palin. She is the only one of the three with real-world experience running a business, meeting a payroll, and coping with the IRS and the multiplicity of other agencies as to the complexities of business taxes, inspections and regulations. She is the only one of the three who has seen first-hand, and dealt with, the effects of government policies vis-à-vis small business. That gives her a real and distinct advantage, compared to Washington insiders, those still wet behind the ears, or those in some cloistered ivory tower of academia. That is important because small businesses create the preponderance of jobs in the U. S. economy.
• Have either Barack Obama or Joe Biden ever been in the military or commanded a military force? No. Has Governor Palin? Yes. Advantage: Governor Palin. She is the only one of the three with real-world experience commanding any military force, whatsoever. While Vietnam was raging, the incredibly brave Joe Biden was getting a series of student deferments. Barack Obama, according to him just the other day, actually — once — considered serving in the U. S. military. That, alone, makes him a patriot, one supposes we are to believe. Why, the man is almost Kennedy-esque, no? To be perfectly frank, I suppose it is only fair to point out that no one could find any record of Obama ever having even so much as hinted at such a thing at any time in his entire life. That is, until his opponents were John McCain and Sarah Palin.
Clearly, of the three (Palin, Obama and Biden), it is she, and she alone, who has proved her fitness to be the commander-in-chief of any military force of any kind. Has she sat in some stuffy committee room, meeting with other Washington insiders, talking to hear herself talk? No. Instead, she has actually commanded the Alaska National Guard. That does not make her George Patton, or even John McCain, but it does put her leagues ahead of the decidedly dovish Obama and the remarkably reticent-to-serve Biden.
Lest we forget the contrast at the top of the ticket, when McCain, the warrior, came home from his captivity, he returned to school in 1973, attending Washington, D.C.’s National War College. Finally, in 1981, he retired from the Navy with the rank of Captain, having served his country since 1958. During his long and distinguished career in the United States Navy, John Sidney McCain III, son and grandson of admirals, was awarded the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross. Let none doubt his heroism, his patriotism or his love of and service to his country.
• Have either Senator Barack Obama or Senator Joe Biden ever been a member of an important statewide committee? No. Has Governor Palin? Yes. Advantage: Governor Palin. Sarah Palin has served as the chairperson of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, which regulates Alaska’s most valuable non-renewable resources. There, she made ethics her issue, and Alaskans sent her to the Governor’s office as a result.
• Have either Barack Obama or Joe Biden ever held the executive office of even so much as mayor? No. Has Governor Palin? Yes. Advantage: Governor Palin. Prior to her election as governor, Sarah Palin served two terms on the Wasilla City Council and two terms as the mayor and manager of Wasilla. During her tenure, she reduced property tax levels while increasing services and made Wasilla a business-friendly environment, drawing in new industry. She was elected by her peers to serve as president of the Alaska Conference of Mayors.
• Have either Barack Obama or Joe Biden ever held the high executive office of Governor, with the life-and-death responsibilities that entails? No. Has Governor Palin? Yes. Advantage: Governor Palin. She is the first woman of Alaska’s eleven Governors. Under her leadership, Alaska invested $5 billion in state savings, overhauled education funding, and implemented the Senior Benefits Program to provide support for low-income older Alaskans. She created Alaska’s Petroleum Systems Integrity Office to oversee maintenance of oil and gas equipment, facilities and infrastructure, and a Climate Change Subcabinet to prepare a climate change strategy for Alaska. Palin’s administration passed major legislation that began a competitive process to construct a gas pipeline and overhauled state ethics laws. All that, and she has done it in less than two years! Is it any wonder her approval rating among Alaskans is 80%?
• Have either Barack Obama or Joe Biden ever been a member of a very important regional or national committee, outside of their jobs as Senators? No. Has Governor Palin? Yes. Advantage: Governor Palin. Sarah Palin is the chair of the Interstate Oil and Gas Compact Commission, a multi-state agency that promotes conservation and efficient recovery of domestic oil and natural gas resources while protecting health, safety and the environment. She also serves as chairperson of the National Governors Association’s Natural Resources Committee. A pattern has emerged with Sarah Palin: everywhere she goes, every job she does, people recognize her abilities and choose her for still more positions of high responsibility.
• Have either Barack Obama or Joe Biden ever gone up against the old boy’s network? No. Has Governor Palin? Yes. Advantage: Governor Palin. This is a woman who gets it done in what have previously been jobs held exclusively by men. Note that she is no affirmative action hire, either: she earns her way in this world with brains, drive, determination, competitiveness, hard work and guts. She is an extraordinarily admirable person.
Ask yourself how Barack Obama got into Columbia. Young Barry, as he was known when he arrived — http://www.oxy.edu/x7025.xml — studied literature, arts, philosophy and social science during his first two years at Occidental College in Los Angeles. Speaking of his time there, Obama said — http://www.college.columbia.edu/cct_archive/jan05/cover.php — “…he was still goofing off for the first two years of college.” Does that sound to you, contrasted with what Sarah Palin has done, like someone who earned his way into Columbia by the strength of his own accomplishments in the real world? If it does, you are seriously deluding yourself.
• Have either Barack Obama or Joe Biden taken on and beaten both an incumbent and the establishment of their own party? No (at least to the best of my knowledge). Has Governor Palin? Yes. Advantage: Governor Palin. That is exactly the sort of willingness to take on the establishment of one’s own party that Washington, D.C. so desperately needs. Throughout her career that began in 1992, Palin has demonstrated real independence and the ability to do what is needed to bring actual change (as opposed to the kind that is mere sloganeering), especially on her hallmark issue: ethics in government. Sarah Palin well embodies the qualities we need most.
While we are on the subject of ethics in government, and while a Democrat Senate cleared Senator McCain of all wrongdoing in the Keating 5 Scandal, neither Joe Biden nor Barack Obama can claim to have clean hands. Between Biden’s utterly immoral plagiarism and Obama’s long and close association with that felon, Tony Rezko, the two of them do not come to this campaign with clean hands. Again, we see that neither the top nor the bottom of the Democrat ticket can match even the Vice Presidential pick on the Republican side.
• Have either Barack Obama or Joe Biden ever met any foreign heads of State? Yes. Has Governor Palin? Yes. Advantage: Neither side. Sarah Palin has met the President of Iceland, Olafur Ragnald Grimsson, Canada’s Minister of Natural Resources, Gary Lunn, and a host of other dignitaries from Canada, Russia, Japan and elsewhere. That was at the Arctic Energy Summit, organized by the Institute of the North and co-sponsored by the U.S. State Department and the Arctic Council (of eight Arctic nations). Governor Palin had the honor of addressing the summit meeting. Obviously, she is not some total neophyte, as the Left attempts to paint her.
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Then again, Jerry, John McCain’s mother is a very spry 96 years of age. Perhaps you should worry about the possibility that Senator Biden may outlive Senator Obama, which would leave us with a noted plagiarist and foot-in-mouth disease sufferer in the Oval Office. Very relevantly, we should all bear in mind that Senator John McCain has already amply demonstrated a truly remarkable ability to endure almost unimaginable adversity, survive it, and go on from that to greatness.
If by some unfortunate chance, however, Senator McCain proves mortal before he leaves office, I am completely comfortable with Governor Palin stepping into the job. All of us should be. She is far more qualified than either of her opponents, both of whom have only legislative experience. Neither one of them has the requisite demonstrated capacity for executive office leadership, let alone the high integrity and unflinching independence of both John McCain and Sarah Palin. As this post has gone over-long already, I will forego for now any in-depth recitation of the executive experience of John McCain, when he commanded the Navy’s largest squadron. Read all about it on your own: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/553/ — and after you do, if the shoe fits, stop acting all high and mighty about rhetorical excess and outright false claims, as if the Obama camp — to specifically include Wesley Clark — had not committed their share and more.
(Much of the above material on Governor Palin’s accomplishments is available through official Alaska sources, online and otherwise, including her official biography.)
Posted by: majorundertaking | September 14, 2008, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm
re: majorundertaking
” rhetorical excess and outright false claims”
your post is exactly that…thanks for illuminating that so clearly. Even Karl Rove, of all people is saying on FOX, of all places, that McCain’s campaign is over the line with it’s lies..
You did however failed to mention the one thing that ‘really matters ‘that Palin has over McCain, Obama & Biden… She has killed and field dressed a moose. An impressive skill no doubt.
She can can see Russia from Alaska which makes me feel more secure as ‘seeing’ Russia adds considerable credibility to her foreign relations experience.
and…. once more, jes’ fer you….
The problem with you my friend and many others is that you don’t understand that one can admire John McCain for his service and sacrifice for America and still be critical of him.
He is an amazing and courageous American, but, …
he’s not god.
It doesn’t mean he can’t make mistakes and say dumb stuff,.. he has, he does, and most likely he will continue to do so. It doesn’t mean that McCain and company aren’t blatantly, to put it mildly, telling lies.
McCain is a great American. When he uses his story as a de facto answer to questions or comments he doesn’t like,… that… is what cheapens his experience.
There is a difference between honoring someone for exceptional service to his country
and blind worship.
Posted by: Jazzman | September 14, 2008, 8:16 pm 8:16 pm
geeeeze… fergot:
http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/14/alaska-women-reject-palin-rally-is-huge/
“ever, have I seen anything like it in my 17 and a half years living in Anchorage. The organizers had someone walk the rally with a counter, and they clicked off well over 1400 people (not including the 90 counter-demonstrators). This was the biggest political rally ever, in the history of the state. I was absolutely stunned. The second most amazing thing is how many people honked and gave the thumbs up as they drove by. And even those that didn’t honk looked wide-eyed and awe-struck at the huge crowd that was growing by the minute. This just doesn’t happen here.
So, if you’ve been doing the math… Yes. The Alaska Women Reject Palin rally was significantly bigger than Palin’s rally that got all the national media coverage! So take heart, sit back, and enjoy…Sarah Palin most definitely does not speak for all Alaskans.
http://www.adn.com/front/story/525510.html
Posted by: Jazzman | September 14, 2008, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm
What would you say if I told you Lisa Chinn is a Republican? Remember folks…she is a reporter and this is ABC, not some personal blog….get a grip.
Posted by: TheBrotherWatchingBigBrother | September 16, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm
Every great nation since history has been recorded has failed because of moral decay. That my friends is the answer. If we take care of that all the rest will fall into place. Vote. If we fail in this endevor it will not be because you did not try if you vote your preference and what is in your heart.
Nam Vet 66/67
Posted by: Walt | September 16, 2008, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm
Guess you don’t remember the “spat” about this very thing between Hillary and Obama last November:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21977819/
A year ago the count was Hillary, 91 meets; Obama, 16.
As one historian noted, “It doesn’t matter if they met [the leaders] before they become president. It’s how they handle relationships when they get there.”
Posted by: Janet | September 18, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am
These comments are crazy. I am a Republican and I am saddened that John was forced to choose her. She is not qualified and I think if he looses it will be because of her. I have lost a little respect for him because if it was truly his pick he would have picked Liberman. I will still vote Rep. but I am dissapointed in John and Palin should have stayed in Alaska.
Posted by: Chris Johnson | October 6, 2008, 7:43 am 7:43 am