Stephanopoulos: Independent Voters Hold White House Key
ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos reports: Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama holds a 50-46 percent lead over Republican presidential candidate John McCain among likely voters, according to the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll.
However independent and undecided voters, who could make all the difference in a tight election, are shifting back and forth between Obama and McCain.
After the Republican convention, McCain was up by about 10 points among independent likely voters, according to an ABC/Post poll released earlier this month.
Then, last week Obama has a big swing and was up by 14 percentage points, but in our latest poll, McCain has pulled ahead by three percentage points.
We’ve seen similar dramatic moves among white women, another group whose preferences are changing with each new poll.
After the Republican convention, McCain has a double-digit lead among white women, with many pundits crediting his new vice presidential pick Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin for the shift in voter preferences. Last week Obama pulled ahead by two percentage points with white women, but the ABC/Post poll released today finds McCain regaining sizeable 11 percentage point lead over Obama with this group.
One in five voters say they could still change their mind in this election. It is those undecided voters and white women voters who will hold the key to who wins the White House in five weeks.
The poll also found that President Bush is far and away the biggest drag on McCain right now.
He has a new disapproval rating of 70 percent, which is a record for all presidents going back to the beginning of public opinion polling in 1938. The problem for McCain is that a majority of Americans – 53 percent – believe he would take the country in the same direction as Bush.
When it comes to the all-important Commander-in-Chief test, a majority of Americans still do not believe Obama would be a good Commander-in-Chief. The poll found McCain leading Obama on who would make a good Commander-in-Chief of the military, with 73 percent of Americans saying McCain would do a good job, while just 46 percent said Obama would make a good Commander-in-Chief.
But for the first time, the poll found a majority of Americans – 52 percent – who say Obama has the experience to serve effectively as president.
If Obama keeps that number above 50 percent, it will be his race to lose.
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The poll numbers, and whole “horserace” mentality of the election coverage is misleading. In terms of the electoral college, Obama has a commanding lead. I’m not saying the election is sewn up, in Obama’s favor, but I’m a little tired of the storyline that “independents are shifting back and forth” “it’s anybody’s race” etc.
Honest coverage, and coverage that would be helpful to the voting public, would say that McCain is losing in traditionally red states, is falling behind in battleground states, and has been on a downward slide ever since people finally started catching on that Palin is not the salvation of the Republican party that people wanted her to be. Enough with the “horserace” mentality!
Posted by: jon in maryland | September 30, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
Well this Independent voter from Va.is supporting Obama Biden.
Posted by: CW | September 30, 2008, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm
My wife and I are both in the military. She is serving her 26th year and Im on my 29th. One year to go for me. We have always voted fot the Republican ticket in the past even though we are Independent. After keeping up with this campaine and researching everything we could, we will be supporting Obama. McCain served his country with honor, but that in itself doesnt mean he will be a good President. What really sent us over the edge was the pick of Palin. The thought that she could be our Commander in Chief one day is scarey. Both Kennedy and Reagan were great at deplomacy and the Berlin Wall came down and we prevented a war with the Soviets during the Cuban missle crisis due to having brains in the White House that believed in deplomacy first.At one point Kennedy’s four Generals and Chief of Staff were pressuring Kennedy to attack. Kennedy didnt fall to the pressure and used is brains and deplomacy to possibly stop a war and it worked. Does anyone acually believe, if McCain and Palin had been in office that they would have gone against their Generals and used deplomacy. I think not. If something were to happen to McCain, Palin would be in charge of the most powerful military in the world. I know about the Alaska National Guard but I also know she as never given them one single command. My Wife and I are sure in our beliefs that if McCain and Palin are elected, at the least, we would just continue with Bush policies or even worse. Obama believes not only in deplomacy first, before conflict, and has the brains to make it work. He will keep our military strong and country safe and will help fix the the worlds view of us. Remember the days when the international community respected and looked up to us. Please support the troops and God Bless America.
Posted by: CW | September 30, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
Dumb people voted for Bush, dumber people will vote for Obama/Biden
Posted by: Mack | September 30, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
Good thing all the independents are voting for Obama!!!
Posted by: Ed from MA | September 30, 2008, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
Independent Voters:
Please read about Hussein Obama before you decide. Read
http://www. obamaunveiled. com
Posted by: Hussein_Islam_Obama | September 30, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
They are not polling the students. Having seen Palin’s performance on CBS interview with Couric, I am scared to think that an idiot could become a president in case McCain passes on. Another Evita?
Posted by: silkwool | September 30, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
OBAMA, is a new way of doing new things. Bush/McCain is the old corrupt way.
McCain…how is the 1st wife you left high and dry…with a payments from Botox Barbie
Posted by: nonyabizness | September 30, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
But I also know my opinion doesn’t matter because we also have a Senator Barney Frank who is .. a lisp talking dork who CAUSED all of this mess with his pressure to give out loans to low income people who obviously couldn’t handle the payments! Now – go crawl into your hole ..
Posted by: Ed from MA. | September 30, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
what a boring day—perhaps when palin starts cackling like a chicken on thursday we will have some entertainment——and george stop being so boring—even mcbush is getting predictable.
Posted by: rodney | September 30, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
Bush finally sets a record that he deserves do richly.
Posted by: ronnierayjenkins | September 30, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
Bush finally sets a record that he deserves do richly.
Posted by: ronnierayjenkins | September 30, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
Obama, ACORN, and Fannie Mae: What exactly does a “community organizer” do? Barack Obama’s rise has left many Americans asking themselves that question. Here’s a big part of the answer: Community organizers intimidate banks into making high-risk loans to customers with poor credit (Source: Stanley Kurtz, The National Review).
What if Barack Obama’s most important radical connection has been hiding in plain sight all along? Obama has had an intimate and long-term association with the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), the largest radical group in America. If I told you Obama had close ties with MoveOn.org or Code Pink, you’d know what I was talking about. ACORN is at least as radical as these better-known groups, arguably more so. Yet because ACORN works locally, in carefully selected urban areas, its national profile is lower. ACORN likes it that way. And so, I’d wager, does Barack Obama.
In the name of fairness to minorities, community organizers occupy private offices, chant inside bank lobbies, and confront executives at their homes – and thereby force financial institutions to direct hundreds of millions of dollars in mortgages to low-credit customers.
In other words, community organizers help to undermine the US economy by pushing the banking system into a sinkhole of bad loans. And Obama has spent years training and funding the organizers who do it. Read the shocking details…
Read the $700 Billion Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 bill currently in Congress.
Find out why Democrats led by Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are impeding Republican efforts to investigate Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. Even Bill Clinton blames the democrats for obstructing efforts to investigate these corrupt institutions and their executives who stole tens of millions of taxpayer dollars.
In 2005, Sen. McCain co-sponsored a bill to tighten control of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. The bill was opposed primarily by House Democrats led by Rep. Frank Barney who wanted little control or oversight of these financial giants. Read the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005 that was co-sponsored by Sen. McCain and rejected by House Democrats.
http://www. obamaunveiled. com
Posted by: Hussein_Islam_Obama | September 30, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
I make 18K a year part-time .. can I get a home loan for 350K please?? Sheesh! Wake up people ..
Posted by: Marcus | September 30, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
“OBAMA, is a new way of doing new things. Bush/McCain is the old corrupt way.”
New way of doing things? Guess you having been paying attention. Chicago politicians are some of the most corrupt in the nation.
Posted by: Mack | September 30, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
I voted for Sen. Clinton in the primary, and she’s right when she says that she needs a president who will pass her version of Universal Health Care.
That person is Sen. Obama.
Posted by: Rodham Democrat | September 30, 2008, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm
Mack you will be hard pressed to find any body dumber than john mccain. Finished 894 out of 899 in the naval academy.
I believe mccain when he says he knows nothing about the economy. He is the in the bush mold favors emotion over thinking.
Posted by: sand | September 30, 2008, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm
Right on CW. My husband was a Navy Flight instructor during Nam. He too honors McCain’s service. But he says pilots are graded on “headwork” – McCain’s selection of Sarah Palin was seriously bad headwork. He and I are voting Obama/Biden.
Posted by: Idahogirl | September 30, 2008, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm
I hope the American people don’t vote for McCain and vote for Obama because he is a better man. McCain is a evil, rotten, twisted human being who is part of the good old boy establishment. He is a part of the money club that has destroyed our nation because of shear relentless decadence. We don’t need change. What we need is a rediscovery of what it is to be a proud USONIAN. The religious right and pinko left need to leave the US and find UTOPIA somewhere else. The USA is for USONIANS and not religious zealots or left wing do gooders. The USA is for people who are willing to respect everyone including the religious zealots and left wing do gooders. The problem is the right and left have no idea who they are. So I will tell who you are. You are a USONIAN a person from the United States of America. Love it or Leave it.
Posted by: cony 647 | September 30, 2008, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm
I support loans to ALL low income people to give them the American dream .. a home they will default on because they don’t make enough to rent let alone purchase!
Posted by: Barney Frankly Stupid | September 30, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm
I’m Frustrated with McCain with this pick of his. I wish he would have picked “Leslie Sanchez” instead. Palin is cute and all but she sounds so ignorant of major issues and it becoming quite disturbing and she sounds like a student craming for an exam. Just venting and frustrated….
Posted by: Palinmademe | September 30, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm
CW…I could not have said it better myself….
Thank you for serving…..
Obama/Biden
Posted by: jen | September 30, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm
CW – While I don’t share your view points on who to vote for, I do want to sincerely thank both you and your wife for your service to this country. You deserve the utmost respect from every person in this country for your sacrifices. Thank you so much. God Bless you Both.
Posted by: R | September 30, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm
CW – While I don’t share your view points on who to vote for, I do want to sincerely thank both you and your wife for your service to this country. You deserve the utmost respect from every person in this country for your sacrifices. Thank you so much. God Bless you Both.
Posted by: R | September 30, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm
CW, there is no one dumber than someone that voted for Bush
Posted by: mudge007 | September 30, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
I have great confidence, that the majority of American (voters) citizens will realize McCain would be another four years of bad decision making, just like George W. Bush, and let the younger generation take the reins now, so we can have real CHANGE in our government, with electing Barack Obama and Joe Biden to lead us out of this mess we’re all in.
Posted by: jms55 | September 30, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
“I make 18K a year part-time .. can I get a home loan for 350K please??’
You can have that and more if you vote for Barry! All of your wildest dreams will come true!
Posted by: Mack | September 30, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
CW, there is no one dumber than someone that voted for Bush
Posted by: mudge007 | September 30, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
Reparations too Mack? Please??
Posted by: Marcus | September 30, 2008, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm
hey ed
do you think we would be in this mess if people saved a little for what they want—-or just continue to use credit cards and pay double—we have become a country of idiots—-25 thousand income,buy a 300 thousand dollar home.
now we are to pay these mortgages—-i say no put them back in the trailer park–and make them earn their way.
Posted by: rodney | September 30, 2008, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm
CW, sorry, that was meant for Mack
Posted by: mudge007 | September 30, 2008, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm
Who are these “independent voters?” sound like a pack of w hores to me.
Posted by: cusco | September 30, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
McCain is so all over the board with how he handles things. I left my house Mon. morning and McCain and Romney were on television stations giving credit to the passage of the BailOut Bill to McCain. I come home at 3pm and the bill did not even pass. McCain oversteps and winds up crippling himself by trying to one up Obama. Not to mention his pick of a VP. Now wonder the American public is not feeling confident in him.
Posted by: Patty Atlanta | September 30, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
I agree Rodney – blame Congress all you want .. but A LOT of people need a mirror!!
Posted by: Marcus | September 30, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
mack
you are overlooking the last 8 years that got us in this mess/
Posted by: rodney | September 30, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
“and let the younger generation take the reins now, so we can have real CHANGE in our government, with electing Barack Obama and Joe Biden”
Yeah, and Joe Biden too! That’s the real change that we’ve always hoped for!
Posted by: Mack | September 30, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
I’m an independent (ex-democrat) who is learning to dispise the democrat’s and republican’s. I may vote straight ticket against the party that get’s the largest “yea” vote for the bailout crapola! I certainly won’t let them get away with it without a cost…with my vote.
Posted by: kennedy | September 30, 2008, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
agree Palin not fit to be commander in chief, not even fit to be the ceo of a fortune 500 company
Posted by: carlosgeneric233 | September 30, 2008, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
McCain is capable but Palin is a disaster. Only a highly partisan individual could have thought anything positive of the interviews she’s had with ABC and CBS. She was clearly lost. I don’t say this with rancor. I don’t feel comfortable with anyone coming off that badly. But this is a leadership position of our great nation and we don’t have that kind of margin for error. Certainly partisan Republicans and those with less positive biases will not allow that Obama is a brilliant man. But most neutral observers would have to credit him with that. He wasn’t a legacy admit like McCain who performed poorly in college but a bright individual who had to earn an Ivy League education and then did very well there.
Posted by: richard | September 30, 2008, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
Most of the rest of the world is totally baffled that the race is so close.
The values McCain represents and his political lineage should ensure Obama would win in a landslide. But no. Half of Americans seriously believe the GOP is on their side.
Very strange people.
Posted by: gwhizz | September 30, 2008, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm
Well, just a week ago Obambi held a 9 point lead..now it’s down to 4! We’re right back where we were pre debate and Palin “bashing” of the Media!
I say McCain/Palin by 60 EV’s!!!
Posted by: DemNoMore | September 30, 2008, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm
I have great confidence in the majority of American voters throughout our great country, that they will realize McCain will be another four years of bad decision making like George W. Bush. It is time to let the younger generation take the reins, so we will have real change in our government by electing Barack Obama for president. Our great country is in a real mess right now, caused by bad politics, and we must hold the person responsible who is presently commander and chief. Harry S. Truman once said; “The buck stops here.”
Posted by: jms55 | September 30, 2008, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
Poll – who on here owns a home and is struggling or just complaining for something to pass time??
Posted by: Sandy | September 30, 2008, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
Independent in Fishersville, VA voting for OBAMA!
It will be close. Northern VA (next to DC) is all about Obama. But the farther south you go, the more McCain’s support goes up.
But there are some of us in central VA who aren’t programmed to vote Republican like we’re on auto pilot.
I was leaning toward a Dem because the current administration shredded the Constitution. But Palin was the deciding factor for me. Probably a nice person, but no way she should be that close to running our nation.
Posted by: Another VA Independent | September 30, 2008, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm
I see the republican paid bloggers are on again tonite. These idiots actually think by spewing the garbage they do, that people will eventually believe them. Dream on dimwits. We wouldn’t believe you or McCain and his Poddle if you were the last people in the buildning. Obama will bet the next president. So get use to calling him President Obama and Mr President. Its a done deal and the repugs know it. Thats why the are scared and scrambling to try and distort all the facts. Hahahahahahahahahahahahah bye bye repugs.
Posted by: My name is nobody | September 30, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
Who gets polled?! These polls mean “nothing” except to try to change people’s minds, mind games. Fox has McCain winning, this and other BIASED networks have Obama winning, LOL…….I’m voting for the good guys, McCain/Palin
Posted by: Ann | September 30, 2008, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm
You cannot point fingers at just one party for the banking mess right now. The problem goes far beyond the Bush Administration. Yes, it would be great if we could all blame who we wanted but this problem is too huge. If the Bush Administration would have gone into these companies everyone would have been criticizing them for taking away the right to free enterprise. And McCain was telling them to do just that in 03. And they are not the only ones. Clinton noticed this problem too but did nothing about it, did not stand up and demand action. Why wasn’t Obama stating this was going to be a problem from teh day he joined the Senate? Why were the people getting the loans borrowing more they could afford. And I don’t want the excuse they didn’t know…that’s hogwash. We recently purchased a new home and our loan officer said we could afford a mortgage payment of 2000 a month and we said maybe if we don’t eat. That’s not going to happen. And we borrowed what we could afford. We did not buy into the notion that we DESERVED to own any home we wanted even if we could not afford it like the dems want you to believe. No one believes they ahve to work hard anymore and EARN what they want. They want it and they want it now and they don’t want to work and save for it and that mentality is what got us into this mess in the first place.
Posted by: R | September 30, 2008, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm
Watch people – the Obama campaign kool-aid drinkers all leave their little shacks at 8:30PM (I know – my friend is one) .. watch the support drop off here real soon on here!
Posted by: Brandi | September 30, 2008, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm
If Obama was a WHITE Guy the Polls would be showing a 70% Obama LEAD….
WAKE UP AMERICA …
The issue is not Race but SURVIVAL!!!
Obama=Biden 08 !!!
Posted by: buddy in pa | September 30, 2008, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm
yeah, uuh, Mack, chicago is a city. Illinois, however, is a state. Get it? I shouldnt have to explain further. Vote for Obama. Our country depends on it. Point blank.
Posted by: dontbhatin' | September 30, 2008, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm
sandy
if you own your home you should not be struggling—it is those who bury themselves in debt–and live on credit cards that are struggling——you know living beyond their means,and now want someone else to pay the bill.
Posted by: rodney | September 30, 2008, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm
”
I voted for Sen. Clinton in the primary, and she’s right when she says that she needs a president who will pass her version of Universal Health Care.
That person is Sen. Obama.”
Yeah, so did I and there’s not a chance in hell I’m voting for that idiot! If you think Hillary and Bill are over Obama playing the race card on them and demonizing them, then you’re dumber than I thought!
Go ahead and validate Obama’s bashing and trashing of the Clintons by voting for him..this democrat is voting McCain..because the presidency is no “on the job training.”
Posted by: DemNoMore | September 30, 2008, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm
Hey George Stephanopoulos thanks for the latest polls but you forgot one very important poll. What about the lowest rating ever for Congress????? Oh wait that is controlled by the Democrats so we sure do not want to talk about that now do we
McCain all the way Baby
Posted by: Karl | September 30, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
Thanks to all. It has been an honor to serve this country and my Wife who is out to sea would feel the same way. All my Junior and Senior men and women have served and serve this country with great honor as well. Even though I am for Obama, whoever wins this election, I pray, will use the power of the military with intelligence.
Posted by: CW | September 30, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
Lou Dobbs: ACORN’s Freddie and Fannie Connections
http://purplepeoplevote.com/2008/09/30/lou-dobbs-acorns-freddie-and-fannie-connections/
Posted by: LightSeeker | September 30, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
bubby
you took the words right out of my mouth——as you can see the kkk is alive and well
Posted by: rodney | September 30, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
So you’re saying anyone who owns a home isn’t struggling?? Interesting .. I beg to differ but interesting comment!
Posted by: Sandy | September 30, 2008, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm
I thought this was a fair editorial.
Although, the “link” didn’t seem to match the headline or the body of the story?
But, hey, I’m not trying to be picky, George was fair.
This is starting to remind me of the 2004 election. Many people began to get too confident that Sen. Kerry had that election in the bag. They overlooked the “swift boat Vets” and choose not to react, and it cost them.
I see many liberal bloggers WAY too confident. Bubbling under are new details about ACORN’s role in our current financial crisis. And new details about Sen. Obama- his role with ACORN and Ayers.
I feel like I have been down this road before..!!
Posted by: The Angry Republic | September 30, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm
How so Buddy in PA .. how’s he going to make your life better? Don’t just spew nonsense .. give us some facts or thoughts! Survival?? Ha ha. If the President of the US determines your survival pal .. you’re in deep shitz!
Posted by: James Carville | September 30, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm
My Name is Nobody – How is name calling and spilling the garbage you spew going to change anyone’s mind to your side? There are days I’m on the fence and there I days I believe i will vote for Obama and then days I may vote for McCain. I come on and read the blogs and the majority of liberals are name calling and cussing while the conservatives are giving statistics and examples. And then they just get told they are stupid. How does that make me want to come to your side? To me it looks like the liberals are a party of bitter hatred.
Posted by: R | September 30, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm
sandy
all this crap has absolutely no effect on me—–i dont buy what i cannot pay for——might be a good idea for all.
Posted by: rodney | September 30, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm
WELL THIS INDEPENDENT IN PENNSYLVANIA IS VOTING MACCAIN/PALIN.
PALIN’S JUST FINE. SHE’S NOT AMERICA’S BEST GOVERNOR FOR NOTHING. WHATEVER EXPERIENCE SHE LACKS..SHE’LL GAIN QUICKLY UNDER MACCAIN’S WINGS.
CAN OBAMBO SAY THE SAME?
Posted by: NOBAMA | September 30, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm
R – because they are!!
Posted by: Sampson | September 30, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm
Republicans have tried to rein in Fannie and Freddie. Republican attempts to reform them in 1999 failed. In 2003, when Alan Greenspan testified about how Fannie and Freddie’s loose practices could endanger our financial system, it was Democrat Barney Frank who said these institutions were fundamentally sound, and should be more aggressive in getting loans to low-income people. In 2005, a Republican reform passed the Senate Banking Committee on a party-line vote, only to be blocked by Democrats from passing the full Senate. And in 2006 when John McCain spoke on the Senate floor of the need to reform Fannie and Freddie immediately, Democrats (including Barack Obama) would not respond.
You can also see where Fannie and Freddie look for protection by where they direct their money. Public records show that the top two recipients of Fannie/Freddie campaign contributions are Sens. Chris Dodd and Barack Obama, taking $165,000 and $126,000, respectively.
Posted by: Ann | September 30, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm
I want to fight American people.
You stupd American!
razy,disability,don’t want dificult dirty job.
You American-people Go to Hel!
I would hate American because,
#1. They want bollow some money as much as.
#2. They dont want dirty,difficult job..
#3. Easy money, easy job, no effort.
#4. American people have a pure and simple hart.
Posted by: byw2gether | September 30, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
McCain choosing Palin as his running mate was enough for me to know this old man must be more insane then I originally thought he was. Who in their right mind would consider a nobody from Alaska as being this close to running the country, if McCain was elected. I was in shock for three years, after Bush was reelected for another four years, but this totally blows my mind.
Posted by: jms55 | September 30, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
If Obama was a WHITE Guy the Polls would be showing a 70% Obama LEAD….
WAKE UP AMERICA …
The issue is not Race but SURVIVAL!!!
Obama=Biden 08 !!!
Posted by: buddy in pa | September 30, 2008, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm
Good for you .. I don’t want anyone to suffer but you can’t tell me that those who own a home NOW still aren’t struggling due to increases in cost of nearly everything you purchase on a daily basis!
Posted by: Sandy | September 30, 2008, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm
Byw2gether – I’d say one more bong hit and you’ll be just about set for the evening ..
Posted by: Marcus | September 30, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
it is the idiots that use a credit card for what they dont have money for and then pay back double—–now that they can afford
Posted by: rodney | September 30, 2008, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm
Buddy in PA’s survival depends solely on who a President is .. can we all say “hello” to this idiot?? He’s begging for attention ..
Posted by: Brian | September 30, 2008, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm
Posted by: R…the liberals are just mad and it shows….that woman has never done anything to them, and they bash her like she killed their first born….if she were an idiot like they say she is, well, if liberals were smart, they would just let her selfcom bust..but, they are ignorant of any facts , so bashing is easy for them….
Posted by: LordHelpLiberals | September 30, 2008, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm
An Acorn Falls from the Tree
ACORN has often been in the news since 2004. Officially, they work to register voters and support housing. In reality, everyone in public life knows that they are hardcore supporters for the Democratic Party, and employ bare-knuckle tactics. Their organization is plagued by repeated investigations of voter fraud and other crimes.
In Ohio, where as secretary of state I oversaw elections for eight years, ACORN has been busy. One ACORN man in Reynoldsburg was indicted on two felony counts of voter fraud, and another was indicted in Columbus. Other such problems surfaced in Cuyahoga County, where criminal investigations are ongoing.
It’s not just Ohio. ACORN personnel are facing criminal charges in over a dozen states. In Washington State, for example, seven ACORN leaders had felony charges filed against them for voter fraud.
And there’s an unexpected twist. One of the organizations accused of pushing banks into making many of the unwise loans at the heart of the current crisis is … ACORN. Now that’s ironic. An organization that possibly contributed to our current financial profits is now being considered to make money off of it. And by “money,” I’m referring to your tax money.
Twice already this year Congress has funneled money to ACORN. Some report that February’s economic stimulus included funds for ACORN, as did the bill to help people struggling with mortgages passed this April.
…
Voter fraud is in one sense the worst crime against democracy. The sole means of democratically choosing leaders is through voting. Every voter gets an equal vote. Every citizen who is a law-abiding adult has an equal voice in who will govern us. Our vote is sacred. Those engaging in voter fraud are in one sense no different than who intimidated voters at the polls in years past. Voter fraud may not be attended by the suffering that accompanied the beatings and water hoses of those days, but the assault on democracy is no less real.
ACORN is a discredited organization, and far too many of its leaders and workers have been prosecuted for felonies against democracy. The idea that a single dime of taxpayer money would ever go to such a group is an outrage.
And Mr. Obama needs to explain his involvement with them.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=N2Y5MTc0ZTAyMmE1Mjk3NGE3OWRiY2FkMjZlN2YxYzc=
Posted by: LightSeeker | September 30, 2008, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm
I’m not talking about using a credit card Rodney .. I don’t!!
Posted by: Sandy | September 30, 2008, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm
Obama will be the final ruin of this country.
Posted by: Lee | September 30, 2008, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm
Sampson…it is amazing to me how they talk and rip on everyone but they don’t give specifics on why Obama is the person to vote for other then because Palin is stupid. Not a good enough reason for me.
Posted by: R | September 30, 2008, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm
Obama, ACORN, and Fannie Mae: What exactly does a “community organizer” do? Barack Obama’s rise has left many Americans asking themselves that question. Here’s a big part of the answer: Community organizers intimidate banks into making high-risk loans to customers with poor credit (Source: Stanley Kurtz, The National Review).
What if Barack Obama’s most important radical connection has been hiding in plain sight all along? Obama has had an intimate and long-term association with the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), the largest radical group in America. If I told you Obama had close ties with MoveOn.org or Code Pink, you’d know what I was talking about. ACORN is at least as radical as these better-known groups, arguably more so. Yet because ACORN works locally, in carefully selected urban areas, its national profile is lower. ACORN likes it that way. And so, I’d wager, does Barack Obama.
In the name of fairness to minorities, community organizers occupy private offices, chant inside bank lobbies, and confront executives at their homes – and thereby force financial institutions to direct hundreds of millions of dollars in mortgages to low-credit customers.
In other words, community organizers help to undermine the US economy by pushing the banking system into a sinkhole of bad loans. And Obama has spent years training and funding the organizers who do it. Read the shocking details…
Read the $700 Billion Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 bill currently in Congress.
Find out why Democrats led by Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are impeding Republican efforts to investigate Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. Even Bill Clinton blames the democrats for obstructing efforts to investigate these corrupt institutions and their executives who stole tens of millions of taxpayer dollars.
In 2005, Sen. McCain co-sponsored a bill to tighten control of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. The bill was opposed primarily by House Democrats led by Rep. Frank Barney who wanted little control or oversight of these financial giants. Read the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005 that was co-sponsored by Sen. McCain and rejected by House Democrats.
http://www. obamaunveiled. com
Posted by: Hussein_Islam_Obama | September 30, 2008, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm
How can you say that Obama is leading, when in your article you say “but in our latest poll McCain has pulled ahead by three percentage points”.
Posted by: mindy davis | September 30, 2008, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm
How can you say that Obama is leading, when in your article you say “but in our latest poll McCain has pulled ahead by three percentage points”.
Posted by: mindy davis | September 30, 2008, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm
then you will be fine—perhaps when all the jobs quit leaving our country we will all do a little better.
Posted by: rodney | September 30, 2008, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
you’re the one’s constantly bringing up race! I didnt vote for Gore either..I’m pretty sure he is white. you can disagree with someone’s politics without being a bigot.
Posted by: zeke | September 30, 2008, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
palin has one advantage over Biden. Joe can not see Russia from Delaware…
Posted by: pt | September 30, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm
Well PT .. I bet they both can spell “cannot” – fool!
Posted by: Marcus | September 30, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm
LordHelpLiberals – I agree with you. Palin stands up for what she believes in. She may not be the MOST experienced person for the job but to me the order of experience in the McCain ticket is in a better order. And for the people who come on here to try and figure things out and make an educated vote the more posts by liberals, the more people will turn to the conservative side because they never have anything to say that isn’t full of filth. And I am a very open minded person but am tired of seeing the race card played by them as well.
Posted by: R | September 30, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
Whoever calls themselves “Hussein_Islam_Obama” is in serious need of a reality check. First, thats pretty gross to call Barack Obama a terrorist–geez, that’s sick. And you are kidding me to say that ACORN is responsible for the subprime mess–that’s crazy talk. Its GREEDY lenders who got 50-70 THOUSAND a month on commission selling and packaging these risky non-traditional loans to consumers who overreached in the housing market.
Posted by: Ivy | September 30, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
That’s why you can’t bank on the polls. I remember when everyone thought Giuliani was going to win the Republican nomination. Now everyone makes it seem so obvious that McCain would win the nomination. Well, to all of you who think Obama is going to win…just wait…it’s not as obvious until after the election.
Posted by: Pineapple | September 30, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
It all comes down to whether or not you think we should continue the bush policies. If you think the war should continue indefinitely, while we spend $10,000,000,000 a month, and you think that bush has done well with the economy then mc-more-war is your man. If you think that it’s time we start to get out of iraq and do some positive things for the average American instead of just the top 1% then vote for Obama/Biden.
Posted by: pt | September 30, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
8 yrs…2 wars ….busted economy …debt up are ears….unemployment climbing….the american dream is a fantasy….freedom exist in your mind and at home…if u voted for bush thank you …
Posted by: DJPLATNUM | September 30, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
It seems to me that it was both the Dems and the Repubs that got us into the financial mess we’re in.
1) The Republicans have been pushing deregulation of the financial world for years. That has resulted in these big financial institutions being a law unto themselves. Many people have gotten very rich off of this system — these are the closest friends of the Republican party. These companies were operating dishonestly and beyond their means, and now we’re (according to BUSH’S bailout plan) supposed to bail them out.
2) The Dems have not pushed back hard enough on deregulation, despite knowing better. They have also protected institutions that lend to people who can’t afford their mortgages. Chaos ensued.
These seem to me to be the two biggest factors in this situation.
Why do people have to be so partisan that we can’t have an honest debate about the problem and possible solutions?
Partisanship seems to lead to mushy brains. People can’t think straight while hauling out all the old hateful half-truths. Intellectual debate seems to be dead or barely alive in this country. These boards are an example of that.
Posted by: Carl | September 30, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
Ivy – with emphasis on “those who overreached in the housing market” and CLAIM to not understand what an ARM is .. get real!
Posted by: Jonathan | September 30, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
Is it coincidence that all the nuts seem to be bringing up ACORN?
Posted by: dave | September 30, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
Some Americans are stupid! WE NEED TO LISTEN TO THE FACTS If we do not vote for Obama and Biden we all are doomed.
Posted by: JOZETTE | September 30, 2008, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
The USA Dream Team 2008-2012
President – Barack Obama
Vice President – John McCain
Secretary of State – Wesley Clark
Secretary of Treasury – Ron Paul
OR
President – John McCain
Vice President – Barack Obama
Secretary of State – Wesley Clark
Secretary of Treasury – Ron Paul
Posted by: joe from ne-philly | September 30, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
DJPLATNUM – how do you sleep at night? This guy just haunts you huh? That old Bush just got things all out of whack didn’t he?? How is that possible? For such an idiot .. chimp .. fool? How’d he do that .. how’d he fool all of these Ivy grads in Congress? Man oh man!
Posted by: Marcus | September 30, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
I remember when the republicans took Michelle Obama’s “Proud of her Country” statement and spun it to mean the opposite. I wonder how they will spin the story about Mr. palin and his membership in the AIP which is an organization that wants Alaska to be separate from the other 49 states. Here’s a guy that doesn’t want to be part of the USA for Christ-sake. This also tells a lot about mc-more-war’s decision making abilities. Obama/Biden 2008!!!
Posted by: pt | September 30, 2008, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm
If my payment is going to be 800 for 3 years and then jump to 1350 per month .. can someone explain that to me? What’s an ARM mean? I have to of em .. don’t understand!
Posted by: Fool | September 30, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm
Nobama, whatever palin lacks in knowledge and capabilities she makes up in her looks. Is that the way we want our leaders to perform? Come on, we are already bankrupt because of no focus on domestic agenda. With two war mongers, we will be even in a deeper hole. Wake up and vote for Obama/Biden.
Posted by: silkwool | September 30, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm
Carl – you are so right. People can’t seem to have a good healthy debate without name calling and taking things personal. I LOVE a good debate but can’t stand to listen or read the name calling and ignorance very long. I believe in the statement made by General Patton Jr. If everyone was thinking alike…someone isn’t thinking. No one has to agree with each other, but they could use a little respect for being able to create an opinion on their own. And it’s great that we live in a country were that is allowed.
Posted by: R | September 30, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm
I see Obama wants to increase the FDIC insurance from 100,000 to 250,000 dollars —————– isnt that who he is going to raise taxes on ————- the people that have 250000 to put in the bank? ——- I tell ya —– that guy is a Chameleon
Posted by: Anderson | September 30, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm
I was listening to a Pro=McCain “Christian” Radio Station Tonight making their ALTRA RIGHT REPUBLICAN POINT tonight that if you were BORN POOR it s your fault and you are EVIL..But if you are BORN RICH AND YOUR FATHER WAS AN Admiral than you are GOOD !!! AND IF YOU WIFE OWNS A FORTUNE BECAUSE OF POISONING THE MASSES WITH ALCOHOL…They won’t go there.
I’m just a simple Christian who thinks Black is Black and White is White…And Good is Good and Evil is JOHN Mc CAin
Posted by: buddy in pa | September 30, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
McCain could not lead his party to vote on this bailout, why would anyone think he can lead the country? After the VP debate, I think it will be crystal clear why there’s a problem with McCain’s judgement when he selected Palin as his VP.
Posted by: Jake | September 30, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
I remember when everyone thought Giuliani was going to win the Republican.
I thought only Rudy expected that. That’s why he banked it all on Fl. I actually thought it would be Romney.
Posted by: annie | September 30, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
Yeh Jake and those 94 Dems thought otherwise of Obama’s choice in this matter huh?
Posted by: Marcus | September 30, 2008, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm
Troopergate:Murlene Wilkes, owner of Harbor Adjusting Services, and holder of a $1.2 million/yr. contract with the State of Alaska to handle workers compensation claims.
Hard evidence contradicting sworn testimony has a certain effect on people. Murlene Wilkes, faced with this situation, decided to change her testimony according to a report in The Public Record. Now, with the little extra incentive of avoiding perjury charges, she has admitted that she was asked to deny the claim – at the direct request of Sarah and Todd Palin.
Come on ABC, get to work and investigate this one. Its all over Alaska
Posted by: My Name is Nobody | September 30, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
Raise taxes on those making over 250K, not on money in accounts. There is a difference, but you’re a diehard Republican that would rather twist things around to suit your needs.
Posted by: Jake | September 30, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
What has the President Bush and Cheney and their advisers been doing for the last 8 YEARS- Playing monopoly- I put most of the Blame on them. I worked in banking for years until I got tired of so many savings and loans went nder-During that time Reagan was the president and things have gone from bad to worst. For me the Republicans get all the blame. John McCain went to the white house and supended his campaign for like a day to try to get the bail out signed to get the credit for doing so. And it didn’t pass. John McCain has little influence in Washington because they know he was part of the good ole boys wallstreet network.
Posted by: lowes | September 30, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
Ironically, none of this matters. If you look at the polls by race, the only group that has been chaging their opinions are Hispanics. Whoever manages to reach out to Hispanics the most will win this race. Obama/McCain should stop attacking each other and spend some energy trying to figure out the best way to make this appeal.
Posted by: Mike | September 30, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
Obama, ACORN, and Fannie Mae: What exactly does a “community organizer” do? Barack Obama’s rise has left many Americans asking themselves that question. Here’s a big part of the answer: Community organizers intimidate banks into making high-risk loans to customers with poor credit (Source: Stanley Kurtz, The National Review).
What if Barack Obama’s most important radical connection has been hiding in plain sight all along? Obama has had an intimate and long-term association with the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), the largest radical group in America. If I told you Obama had close ties with MoveOn.org or Code Pink, you’d know what I was talking about. ACORN is at least as radical as these better-known groups, arguably more so. Yet because ACORN works locally, in carefully selected urban areas, its national profile is lower. ACORN likes it that way. And so, I’d wager, does Barack Obama.
In the name of fairness to minorities, community organizers occupy private offices, chant inside bank lobbies, and confront executives at their homes – and thereby force financial institutions to direct hundreds of millions of dollars in mortgages to low-credit customers.
In other words, community organizers help to undermine the US economy by pushing the banking system into a sinkhole of bad loans. And Obama has spent years training and funding the organizers who do it. Read the shocking details…
Read the $700 Billion Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 bill currently in Congress.
Find out why Democrats led by Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are impeding Republican efforts to investigate Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. Even Bill Clinton blames the democrats for obstructing efforts to investigate these corrupt institutions and their executives who stole tens of millions of taxpayer dollars.
In 2005, Sen. McCain co-sponsored a bill to tighten control of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. The bill was opposed primarily by House Democrats led by Rep. Frank Barney who wanted little control or oversight of these financial giants. Read the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005 that was co-sponsored by Sen. McCain and rejected by House Democrats.
http://www. obamaunveiled. com
Posted by: Hussein_Islam_Obama | September 30, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
Sarah Palin is so out of her league. She is studying for a test that she never took the class in. Omaba is the most intelligent, gracious and competent leader. Don’t you people get it?
Posted by: Cynda P. | September 30, 2008, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
Troopergate:Murlene Wilkes, owner of Harbor Adjusting Services, and holder of a $1.2 million/yr. contract with the State of Alaska to handle workers compensation claims.
Hard evidence contradicting sworn testimony has a certain effect on people. Murlene Wilkes, faced with this situation, decided to change her testimony according to a report in The Public Record. Now, with the little extra incentive of avoiding perjury charges, she has admitted that she was asked to deny the claim – at the direct request of Sarah and Todd Palin.
Come on ABC, get to work and investigate this one. Its all over Alaska
Posted by: My Name is Nobody | September 30, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
As Joe Biden said and as Hillary said, Obama is not ready to be President. In addition, the pro-Obama media keeps twisting everything Governor Palin says and does like they did to Hillary. They ignore the fact that Biden recently stated that FDR was President when the stock market crashed in 1929, when, in fact, it was Hoover, and that FDR went on TV at that time, when, in fact, TV had not even been invented yet. That is pitiful as Biden is 66 years old and has been in Congress for 36 years and he doesn’t even know basic US history. You can imagine what the pro-Obama media would have done if Governor Palin said that. I would rather have Governor Palin as Veep any time.
Posted by: Doreen | September 30, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
Pennsylvania is going to be the key to this election. PA was smart enough to not go for bush/cheney in 2000 and in 2004. PA will also be smart this year and vote for Obama/Biden. mccain can pick one of his 9 houses and retire quietly with his millionaire wife. palin can head back North and stay there, she’s embarassed the good people of Alaska too much already.
Posted by: pt | September 30, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
If you get two third of your group to go along with you, you’re a winnner. If you can only get a third of your group, you’re a loser. Thus McCain only getting one third of his people to buy into it makes him a…loser.
Posted by: Jake | September 30, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
Hey Spin Doctor Iowes! How are ya? Yeh – those loans to people who were too stupid to realize they couldn’t make the payments has nothing to do with it! Get real! You can sit here and blame Wall Street .. but Main Street didn’t actually proceed with caution either!
Posted by: Johnson | September 30, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
Anderson – Actually McCain is in favor of raising the FDIC Insurance to 250,000 as well so that people do not panic and start pulling all their money out of the bank who have more then 100,000 creating an even larger problem.
Posted by: R | September 30, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
I SLEEP GREAT…..i’ll be fine mccain or obama…BUSH ..CLINTON…REAGAN…TAKE YOUR PICK…LIKE I SAID THE TWO PARTY SYSTEM SUCKS…fool’em? why u got fool them…i bet 75% percent of them share the same income bracket there on the same team…
THE FAILURE OF CAPITALISM WITHOUT A CONSCIENCE
Posted by: DJPLATNUM | September 30, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
Women’s Rights matter now more than ever! I am voting Obama/Biden :)
Posted by: karen miller | September 30, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
Interesting .. since you both failed that’s the funniest comment I’ve ever heard on here! Get some rest – you’re going senile!
Posted by: Marcus | September 30, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
The pollster that was most accurate was Zogby. And he’s got McCain and Obama practically tied. Obama had a chance to lead last week. He didn’t. He was working out at a gym (Politico reported it this Friday) while McCain was calling on his colleagues to help pass the bill. I believe in free market as an MBA grad and a business owner, but I am not a purist and an ideologue. The market has to stop bleeding. McCain is the one who leads…
Posted by: eyegraphics | September 30, 2008, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm
It just dawned on me. Have you noticed that Obama has documented associations with radical/crooked bussiness ‘partners’, racist comments/views in his self written book, his self-admitted history of drug abuse, shady dealings … And the worse thing anybody can say about McCain is that he is part of a party that is not very popular now? When the truth is ,he is not very well liked in his own party cause time after time he has sided and voted with the Dems.
One candidate has flawed character issues, a shady past, racists views, lack of experience … The other is at worse … part of an unpopular party.
Yet some are willig to overlook this shady politician only becuase he is young and is cleverly using the key words (Hope …Change) when his past clearly details that he is at best a very typical Chicago style politician.
Proves my point. That the typical Obama supporter is either a dye-in-the-wool Democrat that is unwilling to vote any other way or very young (under 30 yrs old) who is limited by the lack of life experience with a very limited knowledge of history. Cause clearly no one else could possibly suport such a flawed individual. Anyone who has been around saw the same thing years ago when a young charismatic Fidel Castro took control of a tiny country promising much the same thing as Obabma. He too was young , articulate, well spoken and charismatic.
McCain is no dream either but at least we know what he is … at worse , a very liberal RINO.
Posted by: goof | September 30, 2008, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm
I think independent voters will keep in mind that McCain is a member of the GOP no matter how much of a maverick George W. Bush. Enough Said.
Posted by: JOHN CRAZED INSANE UNSTABLE AND OUT OF CONTROL MCCAIN | September 30, 2008, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm
As an outsider from down under Australia, a loyal supporter of the US, I am concerned and worried about McCain & Palin.
Reading the blogs on the net and watching her interviews, I am becoming increasingly nervous that they might just pull this election off.
I know some US citizens like to have their tummies rubbed and to look at a sweet but dangerous smile, BUT, be careful, be very careful. Once in you can’t change for 4 years. Imagine the damage that could be done. The US could lose her allies if a another moron takes charge.
Posted by: Henry | September 30, 2008, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm
she is not fit to be a ceo of a large company
Posted by: carlos | September 30, 2008, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm
I’m still trying to figure out why mccain confused the Packers with the Steelers while speaking to a Pittsburgh crowd. He said he used the names of the famous Steelers Defensive line of the 1970′s while being interrogated, too bad these guys weren’t even playing when mccain was being interrogated. He is either going senile or he was trying to pull one over on the Pittsburgh crowd, either way this is BAD news for mc-more-war. You can check out the article by going into google and typing “mccain steelers” and picking the first link.
Obama 2008!!!
Posted by: pt | September 30, 2008, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm
JOZETTE |: Some Americans are stupid! WE NEED TO LISTEN TO THE FACTS If we do not vote for Obama and Biden we all are doomed.
——
Please, they said the Asia markets and US markets will crash to the ground today if we do not pass that bailout bill yesterday.
Posted by: jjoy | September 30, 2008, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm
I hate myself every time I waste part of my life reading these stupid Republican posts. Do you like being lied to?
Posted by: Loopy | September 30, 2008, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm
Marcus: ellipses use three dots, not two. And please don’t be so abusive to our fellow patrons. Blogging isn’t about perfect grammar; we all make minor mistakes from time to time.
Posted by: Pineapple | September 30, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
Henry – you guys still fighting Muslims on the local beaches?
Posted by: Mark | September 30, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
Some Americans are stupid! WE NEED TO LISTEN TO THE FACTS If we do not vote for Obama and Biden we all are doomed.
Posted by: JOZETTE
this is a perfect example of how screwed up spome people are…this is why i truly believe this comment says it all.
Posted by: LordHelpLiberals | September 30, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
Anyone seen the latest Obama video where he has children singing to him in adulation. CREEPY! Obama, YOU ARE NOT THE MESSIAH!
Posted by: cheri | September 30, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
I stand corrected Pineapple ……. how’s that?
Posted by: Marcus | September 30, 2008, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm
It just dawned on me. Have you noticed that Obama has documented associations with radical/crooked bussiness ‘partners’, racist comments/views in his self written book, his self-admitted history of drug abuse, shady dealings … And the worse thing anybody can say about McCain is that he is part of a party that is not very popular now? When the truth is ,he is not very well liked in his own party cause time after time he has sided and voted with the Dems.
One candidate has flawed character issues, a shady past, racists views, lack of experience … The other is at worse … part of an unpopular party.
Yet some are willig to overlook this shady politician only becuase he is young and is cleverly using the key words (Hope …Change) when his past clearly details that he is at best a very typical Chicago style politician.
Proves my point. That the typical Obama supporter is either a dye-in-the-wool Democrat that is unwilling to vote any other way or very young (under 30 yrs old) who is limited by the lack of life experience with a very limited knowledge of history. Cause clearly no one else could possibly suport such a flawed individual. Anyone who has been around saw the same thing years ago when a young charismatic Fidel Castro took control of a tiny country promising much the same thing as Obabma. He too was young , articulate, well spoken and charismatic.
McCain is no dream either but at least we know what he is … at worse , a very liberal RINO.
Posted by: goof | September 30, 2008, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm
OBAMA BIDEN 2008. Redneck idiots should go live in China and let us run the United States properly. We’d all be rich without you electing your Texan kin and dragging the average IQ below 100.
Posted by: JFL | September 30, 2008, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm
Hussein_Islam_Obama-
Why don’t you tell us your real name? I guess your afraid to tell the truth – just like your propoganda that you keep spewwing like a blowhole on a whale….
McCain said de-regulation was good for the economy – guess it was — for a while!
Posted by: jozy | September 30, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
What other women’s rights is Obama going to keep for you other then being allowed to kill an unborn baby?
Posted by: R | September 30, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
Check out this website. It’s very interesting. If the world could vote see who would be elected. After all who we pick affects the whole world.
http://www.iftheworldcouldvote.com/
Posted by: JK | September 30, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
LordHelpLiberals .. if they had it their way they’d continue the sentence with “We should be forced to share EVERYTHING that we’ve worked hard for with those who refuse to go down that path and work for a living – we need handouts and NOW”
Posted by: Sandy | September 30, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
Friends of Obama: Advisor Pledged $1 Trillion in Sub-Prime Loans As Fannie Mae CEO
James A. Johnson–the man chosen by Sen. Barack Obama to lead his vice presidential search committee—served as head of the Federal National Mortgage Association, or “Fannie Mae,” from 1991 to 1998, receiving a reported $21 million in compensation upon his departure.
As CEO of Fannie Mae, Johnson set a goal of buying up $1 trillion in low-income mortgage loans, a move that eventually helped trigger what would become the sub-prime mortgage crisis.
…
Almost immediately upon taking the helm at Fannie Mae in 1991, Johnson began expanding low-income mortgage lending, unveiling a $10 billion plan to expand low- and moderate-income mortgage lending by using the “3/2 option.”
This option allowed low-income borrowers to secure mortgages by providing just 3 percent of the required 5-percent down payment from their own funds. The other 2 percent could come either as a gift from a family member or a grant from a non-profit agency or state or local government.
…
The $1 trillion expansion of sub-prime loans was “a contributing factor” to the current financial crisis, according to economist David John of The Heritage Foundation, “but it was not the only factor.” Fannie Mae policies on credit-scoring played an equally important role–and Johnson’s policies set the stage there, too.
…
“We abhor the use of credit scoring as a way to deny housing finance to those people who need help the most,” Johnson said. “We won’t put mechanical systems and arbitrary numbers above our faith in your [local lenders’] judgment and we won’t go back and second guess loans you’ve already made…if they don’t match up to a new way of assessing risks or doing business.”
Johnson called the higher interest rates paid by sub-prime borrowers a “tremendous burden” for families and said “it seems we can make A’s out of B’s and C’s in many circumstances” by giving less weight to factors such as divorce or job loss, which would normally lower credit scores.
Johnson further advanced his $1-trillion low-income loan initiative by expanding to more than 50 the number of partnership offices in cities across the country, and boasted in 1997 that Fannie Mae was “on course” to reach the $1 trillion goal by the end of the decade.
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=36563
Posted by: LightSeeker | September 30, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
Let’s be real here–If Obama was all that popular, he would be up by double digits on the economy issue on McCain.
Posted by: Christie | September 30, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
A minor point. Apology accepted.
Posted by: Pineapple | September 30, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
i have never in my life seen so many people get so much enjoyment as i have seen and heard since Gov. Palin came on the scene. it is truly disheartening to watch one human being be systematically dismantled day after day. one doesn’t have to agree with her positions on the issues, but for heaven’s sake, she is a human being. i think we all have forgotten that. is winning so important that we would gleefully sit by and watch another person be lambasted day after day? if we were passing on the road and we saw a mob beating her senseless with a bat would we keep walking? no difference.
Posted by: robin | September 30, 2008, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm
With you incredible bias… I in no way can believe your polls!!!!!
Posted by: debra | September 30, 2008, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm
Sarcasm Pineapple – did I spell that correctly?
Posted by: Marcus | September 30, 2008, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm
JFL – coming from someone sitting on the fence…you sound like the ignorant fools that you are talking about. How about give some credible reasons to vote for your candidate rather then just saying those who don’t are stupid. You are not helping any cause by showing that you are not able to create an intelligent argument for your candidate. You just say something an uneducated person who knows no facts says. Its just so unproductive.
Posted by: R | September 30, 2008, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm
Christie – EXACTLY! Have you ever been called? H*ll no! I think they call the campaign headquarters for both parties and call it a draw for ratings!
Posted by: Brian | September 30, 2008, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
If you look up “snake in the grass” on Wikipedia … there is a picture of Obama Hussein – don’t be fooled people! I live in Columbus OH and trust me … I haven’t heard ANYONE say they are voting for this clown!
Posted by: Nick | September 30, 2008, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm
Nick,
You Ohio people voted for bush twice, what the HELL do you know…
Posted by: pt | September 30, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
The polls will probably return to a statistical tie after Congress passes the bailout legislation and President Bush signs it. Go McCain-Palin!!!
Posted by: denn84116 | September 30, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
WHAT A SHAM !!! HOW MANY MILLIONS DID THEY MAKE ON THE REBOUND TODAY !!!
http://www.VOTENOBAILOUT.org
http://www.VOTENOBAILOUT.org
http://www.VOTENOBAILOUT.org
Posted by: OTHER WAY | September 30, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
If the world could vote they would pick Obama doesn’t do much for me. Since a lot of people in the world would like to see our country destroyed. Al Queda being the main one of them. I’m sure they would vote to have whoever is going to make it easy for them to attack us again get elected into office.
Posted by: R | September 30, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
Has anyone else read these headlines that ABC, NBC, CBS does not report on.
Headlines (Scroll down for complete stories):
1. Ahmadinejad Feted at Obama Fundraiser’s Hotel
2. Ambassador Holbrooke: Don’t Let Ahmadinejad Speak
3. Biden Has Given Little to Charity
4. Palin’s Newsmax Interview Gains Wide Play
5. Hillary Campaign Still Deep in Debt
6. Washington Times Quotes Newsmax Report
7. We Heard: Bill O’Reilly, Sarah Palin, National Anthem
1. Ahmadinejad Feted at Obama Fundraiser’s Hotel
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was feted on Thursday night by left-wing U.S. religious leaders and self-styled pacifists at a gala reception at New York’s Hyatt hotel — which is owned by the family of the Obama campaign’s national finance chairperson, Penny Pritzker.
Several thousand protesters gathered on 42nd street, directly across from the hotel, late Thursday afternoon, including Beth Gilinsky, president of the Jewish Action Alliance; Frank Gaffney, president of the Center for Security Policy; and the Rev. Keith Roderick, the Episcopal canon to persecuted Christians.
Ahmadinejad arrived at 8:45 p.m., nearly three hours late, and was protected by the Secret Service and Iranian security guards, Newsmax correspondent Kenneth R. Timmerman reported.
Inside, the Iranian president was given a warm welcome by John Brademas, a former congressman from Indiana who rose to become Democratic whip in the House from 1977-1981.
Also welcoming him was Nihad Awad, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), which was named as an “unindicted co-conspirator” in an alleged criminal conspiracy to fund the Palestinian terrorist organization Hamas.
Ahmadinejad began his address with an invocation of the 12th imam, according to a source who attended the event.
He made a similar invocation of the 12th imam at the start of his speech to the U.N. General Assembly on Tuesday, adding that he hoped his actions “would hasten the Imam’s return.” He went on to blast Israel and the United States in that speech.
The Mahdivist cult of Shia Islam, to which Ahmadinejad subscribes, holds that the 12th imam will “return” to earth after a period of worldwide conflagration, mass destruction, famine, and starvation.
By calling on his own actions to “hasten” the imam’s return, many scholars of Islam believe that Ahmadinejad is revealing his intention to provoke a world war.
Ahmadinejad has referred to Israel as “a dried, rotten tree that will collapse with a single storm,” and has called on the Muslim world to “prepare for the great war, so as to completely wipe out the Zionist regime and remove this cancerous growth.”
Government buildings in Tehran are festooned with giant banners that read, “Israel should be wiped out of the face of the world” in English and Persian. Similar banners are draped across Shahab-3 missiles when the Iranian regime drives them through the streets of Tehran in military parades, Timmerman reports.
Barack Obama has made negotiations with Ahmadinejad and other dictators a cornerstone of his foreign policy approach, in contrast to John McCain, who believes that the U.S. must spearhead an international coalition to prevent Iran from going nuclear.
Obama has said that he is ready to sit down with Ahmadinejad “without preconditions” to negotiate a sweeping security agreement with his regime. McCain has dismissed this as “reckless,” and McCain’s top foreign policy adviser, Randy Scheunemann, has called it “cowboy diplomacy.”
Editor’s Note:
7 Things You Must Know About Obama
2. Ambassador Holbrooke: Don’t Let Ahmadinejad Speak
Iran is “uniquely dangerous” due to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s threat to destroy Israel — and the Iranian leader should not be allowed to speak in the U.S., says former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Richard Holbrooke.
“People haven’t focused energy on the core reason that Iran is uniquely dangerous — because of specific threats Iran has issued to another country based on ethnicity,” Holbrooke said at the State-Sanctioned Incitement to Genocide Conference in Washington, D.C., on Sept. 23.
“I do want to underscore . . . that the full title of the 1948 Genocide Convention is in fact the ‘Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide.’ Genocide is only defined after it occurs. We must focus on prevention.”
Ahmadinejad was addressing the U.N. during the week that the conference was held.
“Ahmadinejad is at the U.N. — we can’t stop him from speaking there” because the U.N. should be a forum for all, said Holbrooke, who is now on the board of directors of the Council on Foreign Relations.
“I’ve never supported a ban against anyone there because we would damage ourselves. But we should never invite him to speak anywhere else. Not because I’m afraid his words will influence anyone who hears them, but because he uses these forums to legitimize himself in Iran.
“We need people in Iran to denounce him. There are many vulnerabilities in this man. By singling out Ahmadinejad on this issue we send a signal to the Iranian leadership that their ties to Hezbollah will not sell internationally.
“We want to generate debate over Iran. We want them to understand they’ll face isolation in the international community.”
The conference was sponsored by the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs, Genocide Watch, Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations, International Association of Genocide Scholars, and Yale University’s Initiative for the Interdisciplinary Study of Anti-Semitism.
Editor’s Note:
Your Tiny Thyroid Control More Things Than You Know
3. Biden Has Given Little to Charity
Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden has released his personal income tax records — revealing that the Delaware senator and his wife have been very stingy when it comes to charitable gifts.
The Bidens had an adjusted gross income of $319,853 in 2007, including his Senate salary, book royalties, and his wife’s salary as an English teacher. But their charitable gifts totaled $995 — just 0.31 percent of their income, according to the TaxProf Web site.
The year before, they earned $248,859 and donated just $380, or 0.15 percent of their adjusted gross income.
Over the past decade they reported giving an average of $369 a year to charity, Bloomberg.com reports.
According to Independent Sector, the average annual charitable donation among households earning in excess of $200,000 is $20,434.
The Bidens’ “lack of charitable giving at that level of income would definitely be outside the range of what we say is normal,” Russell James, a professor at the University of Georgia who conducts research on charitable giving, told Bloomberg.
Republican presidential nominee John McCain’s tax returns show he had an adjusted gross income of $386,527 last year and had charitable givings of $105,467, or 27.3 percent of income. His wife Cindy files separately.
His Democratic rival Barack Obama had $4.13 million in income in 2007 and gave $240,370, or 5.8 percent.
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Posted by: Dee Ann Goodson | September 30, 2008, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm
Christie – EXACTLY! Have you ever been called? H*ll no! I think they call the campaign headquarters for both parties and call it a draw for ratings!
Posted by: Brian | Sep 30, 2008 8:59:17 PM
I have to agree with the both of you. I ahve never been called either nor do I know anyone who has. And quite frankly if you are polling for example 500 people but 450 of them are democrats well……
Posted by: R | September 30, 2008, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm
I recall when Bush was running against Kerry, the media told us that Bush was losing ground in VA-Fl-WVA with 1 week out. They made a big deal out of Virginia going for Kerry and maybe WVA turning blue. Even on election day, by 2 pm EST, the media said as early voting comes in, Kerry was going to win (trying to depress the voters). Bush made a tv appearance and rebuffed that. Don’t trust the media.
Posted by: Christie | September 30, 2008, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm
Just because mc-more-war was a pow does not mean he should be president. The guy used to have a spine but now is nothing but a flip-flopper and a panderer. He’s also an OLD fart. The real straight-talker, John Murtha said that the Presidency is no place for an OLD man. There’s a reason they make pilots retire at age 60. mc-more-war needs to retire with his millionaire wife. (The one he had an affair with after his first wife waited for him to come back from the war.) Obama/Biden 2008!!!
Posted by: pt | September 30, 2008, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm
Palin will hide from the press. Why?
They will not expose her to any interviews by responsible media if they can at all avoid it. My guess is “maybe” Faux news, but that is it. Why? Because daily more and more is coming out about this woman. So far it seems she has lied more than she has done anything else so far. Wait, am I being sexist? Well, I will risk it while we fact check Sarah Palin, the rock star candidate some are saying will be the Republican candidate for President in 2008.
1. Sarah Palin sold the Governor’s plane on Ebay, and made a profit: Umm, no. She did list it on EBAY 3 times, but it failed to sell. She finally sold it through a broker, at a loss.
2. She is against earmarks, and has stopped them in Alaska: False. In fact, she submitted $197 million in earmarks in her current administration, the highest amount based on population of any state. In fact, the people of her town get 50 times the pork of the average citizen in the US.
3. She takes on the lobbyists. I guess this is true in one respect. She took on one lobbyist, when she put a lobbyist on her payroll to help get those earmarks and pork projects approved!
4. She has ties to extremists, She gave a speech to a group of extremists a few months ago. Her husband was a member for a long time. This group has stated that they hate the American flag, that they hate American institutions. Their founder died in an illegal attempt to buy plastic explosives!
5. If the real measure of experience for the presidency, then Palin has more experience than does Senator McCain.
6. She was before the “bridge to nowhere” before she was against it. She only opposed the measure after the project gained national attention as wasteful pork spending and was ridiculed. Once it was obvious it wasn’t going to happen, she withdrew her support. I thought Mavericks stuck to their guns no matter how the wind of popular opinion blew? Seems that rule doesn’t apply to THIS maverick.
7. She stated that Obama has not authored a single piece of legislation in the US or state senates: FALSE. Obama worked with a Republican to expand efforts to track down WMDs being sold on the black market. He lead initiatives in Illinois to study racial profiling, to record interrogations in death penalty cases, and co-sponsored ethics reform legislation. This is just SOME of the work he did, but should be enough to disprove the lie.
8. Palin said: “The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes, raise payroll taxes, raise investment income taxes, raise the death tax, raise business taxes, and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars.” False. According to an independent group, unless you are among the top earners, you will see your annual income rise as a direct result opf Obama’s tax plan. Capital gains and dividend interest tax would rise, but only for the wealthiest Americans. And small businesses would see their taxes go up only if their earnings exceeded $250,000.
9. She is governor of the state that produces 20% of our nation’s energy supply. Misleading. While Alaska does indeed produce 20% of the nations energy supply, she has no control or say about that supply. This is not Saudi Arabia. The energy companies decide what is done with this “energy.”
10. She is in charges of Alaska’s National guard. This has been used to state that she has command experience, and that she has foreign experience, and that she has experience commanding troops in the fight against terrorism and in Iraq. Incredibly misleading. While she is commander in chief of the Alaskan National Guard, she has no say in their deployment outside of Alaska. She isn’t even consulted. In actuality, no one has yet to find a single order that she has issued to the troops.
11. Huckabee said she, “got more votes running for mayor of Wasilla, Alaska than Joe Biden got running for president of the United States.” Incredibly false. She received a total of 1,525 votes in two campaigns for mayor. Biden received 76,165 votes before he dropped out of the race.
12. Palin is a supporter of stevens (I think that’s the name), the senator now under charges for numerous ethical and campaign violations, even leading a 527 group to help him win his election.
13. She took on big oil. Yeah she did. The fight was about how to divvy up the windfall profits. In fact, she has been a hardcore big oil politician. She even opposed and sued the Bush administration for placing the polar bear on the endangered species list because that would protect the polar bear’s habitat where oil company’s want to drill.
14. She attends a radical church. One sermon in that church has stated that terrorist attacks against Israel are God’s retribution for not accepting Christ.
15 She attempted to ban books from the town library as Mayor. When the librarian refused, she fired said librarian. Eventually she had to rehire that librarian because of the uproar it caused.
Posted by: pt | September 30, 2008, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm
Dee Ann Goodson – Very few people will read these because they want to hear only what the liberal networks ahve to say to them. They aren’t going to go looking for bad news and the networks make it difficult for the people who just want ALL THE FACTS to get them so that they can make an intelligent decision on who they vote for. Anyone who just listens to the three major networks and votes is the ignorant vote and that is the worst kind of vote of all.
Posted by: R | September 30, 2008, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm
Nick,
You Ohio people voted for bush twice, what the HELL do they know
what he said!!
Posted by: DJPLATNUM | September 30, 2008, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm
Actually the fact that the rest of the world would prefer Obama is a bad thing. Most of the world including our allies are jeolous and would like to see our standard of living decrease. So they are in fact saying that they would prefer Obama becuase they know that he would tax us and kill our economy causing a drastic reducation in our standard of living. The World prefereing Obama is a vote for McCain
Posted by: goof | September 30, 2008, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm
Did you know about this OBAMA supporters?
1. Ahmadinejad Feted at Obama Fundraiser’s Hotel
2. Ambassador Holbrooke: Don’t Let Ahmadinejad Speak
3. Biden Has Given Little to Charity
4. Palin’s Newsmax Interview Gains Wide Play
5. Hillary Campaign Still Deep in Debt
6. Washington Times Quotes Newsmax Report
7. We Heard: Bill O’Reilly, Sarah Palin, National Anthem
1. Ahmadinejad Feted at Obama Fundraiser’s Hotel
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was feted on Thursday night by left-wing U.S. religious leaders and self-styled pacifists at a gala reception at New York’s Hyatt hotel — which is owned by the family of the Obama campaign’s national finance chairperson, Penny Pritzker.
Several thousand protesters gathered on 42nd street, directly across from the hotel, late Thursday afternoon, including Beth Gilinsky, president of the Jewish Action Alliance; Frank Gaffney, president of the Center for Security Policy; and the Rev. Keith Roderick, the Episcopal canon to persecuted Christians.
Ahmadinejad arrived at 8:45 p.m., nearly three hours late, and was protected by the Secret Service and Iranian security guards, Newsmax correspondent Kenneth R. Timmerman reported.
Inside, the Iranian president was given a warm welcome by John Brademas, a former congressman from Indiana who rose to become Democratic whip in the House from 1977-1981.
Also welcoming him was Nihad Awad, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), which was named as an “unindicted co-conspirator” in an alleged criminal conspiracy to fund the Palestinian terrorist organization Hamas.
Ahmadinejad began his address with an invocation of the 12th imam, according to a source who attended the event.
He made a similar invocation of the 12th imam at the start of his speech to the U.N. General Assembly on Tuesday, adding that he hoped his actions “would hasten the Imam’s return.” He went on to blast Israel and the United States in that speech.
The Mahdivist cult of Shia Islam, to which Ahmadinejad subscribes, holds that the 12th imam will “return” to earth after a period of worldwide conflagration, mass destruction, famine, and starvation.
By calling on his own actions to “hasten” the imam’s return, many scholars of Islam believe that Ahmadinejad is revealing his intention to provoke a world war.
Ahmadinejad has referred to Israel as “a dried, rotten tree that will collapse with a single storm,” and has called on the Muslim world to “prepare for the great war, so as to completely wipe out the Zionist regime and remove this cancerous growth.”
Government buildings in Tehran are festooned with giant banners that read, “Israel should be wiped out of the face of the world” in English and Persian. Similar banners are draped across Shahab-3 missiles when the Iranian regime drives them through the streets of Tehran in military parades, Timmerman reports.
Barack Obama has made negotiations with Ahmadinejad and other dictators a cornerstone of his foreign policy approach, in contrast to John McCain, who believes that the U.S. must spearhead an international coalition to prevent Iran from going nuclear.
Obama has said that he is ready to sit down with Ahmadinejad “without preconditions” to negotiate a sweeping security agreement with his regime. McCain has dismissed this as “reckless,” and McCain’s top foreign policy adviser, Randy Scheunemann, has called it “cowboy diplomacy.”
Editor’s Note:
7 Things You Must Know About Obama
2. Ambassador Holbrooke: Don’t Let Ahmadinejad Speak
Iran is “uniquely dangerous” due to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s threat to destroy Israel — and the Iranian leader should not be allowed to speak in the U.S., says former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Richard Holbrooke.
“People haven’t focused energy on the core reason that Iran is uniquely dangerous — because of specific threats Iran has issued to another country based on ethnicity,” Holbrooke said at the State-Sanctioned Incitement to Genocide Conference in Washington, D.C., on Sept. 23.
“I do want to underscore . . . that the full title of the 1948 Genocide Convention is in fact the ‘Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide.’ Genocide is only defined after it occurs. We must focus on prevention.”
Ahmadinejad was addressing the U.N. during the week that the conference was held.
“Ahmadinejad is at the U.N. — we can’t stop him from speaking there” because the U.N. should be a forum for all, said Holbrooke, who is now on the board of directors of the Council on Foreign Relations.
“I’ve never supported a ban against anyone there because we would damage ourselves. But we should never invite him to speak anywhere else. Not because I’m afraid his words will influence anyone who hears them, but because he uses these forums to legitimize himself in Iran.
“We need people in Iran to denounce him. There are many vulnerabilities in this man. By singling out Ahmadinejad on this issue we send a signal to the Iranian leadership that their ties to Hezbollah will not sell internationally.
“We want to generate debate over Iran. We want them to understand they’ll face isolation in the international community.”
The conference was sponsored by the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs, Genocide Watch, Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations, International Association of Genocide Scholars, and Yale University’s Initiative for the Interdisciplinary Study of Anti-Semitism.
Editor’s Note:
Your Tiny Thyroid Control More Things Than You Know
3. Biden Has Given Little to Charity
Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden has released his personal income tax records — revealing that the Delaware senator and his wife have been very stingy when it comes to charitable gifts.
The Bidens had an adjusted gross income of $319,853 in 2007, including his Senate salary, book royalties, and his wife’s salary as an English teacher. But their charitable gifts totaled $995 — just 0.31 percent of their income, according to the TaxProf Web site.
The year before, they earned $248,859 and donated just $380, or 0.15 percent of their adjusted gross income.
Over the past decade they reported giving an average of $369 a year to charity, Bloomberg.com reports.
According to Independent Sector, the average annual charitable donation among households earning in excess of $200,000 is $20,434.
The Bidens’ “lack of charitable giving at that level of income would definitely be outside the range of what we say is normal,” Russell James, a professor at the University of Georgia who conducts research on charitable giving, told Bloomberg.
Republican presidential nominee John McCain’s tax returns show he had an adjusted gross income of $386,527 last year and had charitable givings of $105,467, or 27.3 percent of income. His wife Cindy files separately.
His Democratic rival Barack Obama had $4.13 million in income in 2007 and gave $240,370, or 5.8 percent.
Editor’s Note:
Posted by: Dee Ann Goodson | September 30, 2008, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm
the black guy scares the hell out of some of you repubs——-no more meetings in sheets and pillowcases——no more burning crosses—no more telling your children the boogy man will get you—more taxes on beer—cut your lawn now and then—-get the junk cars off the front lawn—no more marrying relatives.an end to welfare.
Posted by: rodney | September 30, 2008, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm
mccain, do you prefer boxers or briefs.
mccain: Depends
Posted by: pt | September 30, 2008, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm
Actually the fact that the rest of the world would prefer Obama is a bad thing. Most of the world including our allies are jeolous and would like to see our standard of living decrease. So they are in fact saying that they would prefer Obama becuase they know that he would tax us and kill our economy causing a drastic reducation in our standard of living. The World prefereing Obama is a vote for McCain
Posted by: goof | September 30, 2008, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm
Posted by: ROBERT ..good point..and they do not participate in the polls.that’s why polls don’t mean squat… the DEM’s are in for a rude awakening the day after the election..
Posted by: LordHelpLiberals | September 30, 2008, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm
rodney – apparently you don’t know the history of the democratic party who founded the KKK. THe republicans are the party who got the African americans their equal rights. The democrats voted against it.
Posted by: R | September 30, 2008, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm
Once there was a class of average 9th grade students who were
expected in the usual manner of things to read and benefit from
Orwell’s
Animal Farm.
When they got to the part about ” From each according to his
ability, to each according to his need,” most of the kids were
still awake, but they were pretty sanguine about it. After all,
those who had lots of money should help those who didn’t, right?
And how much “lots” was could be interpreted in different ways, ya
know?.
“Hmmm,” thought The Teacher. “I don’t think they quite get
it. ”
The next day, with a little help from the principal, the
Teacher passed out an “official” letter explaining a new
grade-sharing policy. Under the new policy,
1. No student would be allowed to keep a grade higher than C.
2. Extra points would be distributed to those with the lowest
grades–those who needed it most–regardless of whether it was
through laziness, poor skills, or mental handicap.
3. Honor students were expected to continue doing “A” level
work and plenty of extra credit in order to provide “surplus”
points for those who did not have enough to make a C. They should
do this without complaint, as notice would be taken of attitude and
comportment.
The result?
A near
riot.
The Teacher had to bodily block the door to keep the students
from rushing to call Mom and the media.
Once the yelling had subsided enough for The Teacher to get a
word in edgewise, she asked to see hands of the students who were
happy about the changes.
No surprise, it was the ones who couldn’t be bothered to do
what they needed to.
They were grinning uncontrollably, eyes aglow, cheeks
literally flushed with delight to be the beneficiary of such a
progressive policy.
The kids who were red-faced with hysteria were those who
suddenly realized that doing the hard thing–doing the
right thing-was about to bite them in the behind. Hard.
(Interestingly, those who were hardworking but perhaps not
“A” students were just as outraged as the A+ kids. They only wanted
what they had themselves actually earned. The Teacher thought this
made them Honor Students in the literal sense of the word.)
When those who worked hard and actually did the best they
could looked around at the faces of the kids who had their hands
up, The Teacher literally saw the understanding
blooming in their expressions.
Ah. they thought to themselves.
So THAT’s how it is.
+—————————+Bingo.——————————
If you’re one of the handful who didn’t buy into the lie of
pseudo affluence propped up by credit cards and easy mortgages and
home equity bleedouts….
congratulations.
Your hard work and earnest living has landed you now squarely
in the sights of both the Wall Street thieves and those who +say
t+hey represent Main Street.
You know who I’m talking about… the high-rolling cheaters
on one end who have little compunction about taking anything they
can get by any means possible. Big business as usual, golden
parachute from a crashing plane, that sort of thing. And their
politician friends from both parties who prop them up.
“Bail us out,” they cry. “OR ELSE. You know you won’t be able
to borrow money you cannot possibly afford to pay back to buy stuff
you don’t actually need if you don’t get us out of this one little
jam. You can trust us, we promise.”
And look out then for those on the other end, too.
Those who didn’t study up on how to read a contract, how to
think for themselves, how to say no to their whims more often than
not, how to detect and to admit a self-serving lie. These are the
ones who failed to accept the meaning of the word “adjustable, ”
who have lived without self-control, never learning the old saying
” There’s no such thing as a free lunch” and “If it’s too good to
be true, it probably isn’t.” Now they clamor for a bailout from the
chaos brought by those twin devils of Advertising and Easy Money,
who just
made them do it.
“Bail US out,” they cry, “so we can pay off the too-expensive
house we never should’ve bought. Pay off OUR credit cards so we can
easily have all the stuff you were too prudent steal from your home
equity to buy yourselves. Who do you think you are, saving for your
futures when WE barely have enough Bling for today? SOMEbody’s just
gotta be made to pay for ME.”
(And just for fun, there’s a self-righteous third camp, on
the defensive. They don’t necessarily want your money, they just
feel good pontificating, “Are you trying to make these poor lambs
look bad just because they’ve been abjectly stupid? You mustn’t
gloat. Just open your pockets and close your mouth.
Thankyouverymuch.” But talking about
that bunch is for some other post.)
The way both these camps have been living, I guess they
always knew they could count on YOU to provide.
The savings and that equity you’ve been squirreling away
against the inevitable future and a possible rainy day?
All they mean is that you’ll be left to fend for yourself
when somebody comes up with a plan to save the hides of the thieves
on both Wall Street and “Main Street.”
Welcome to the farm, American style.
Posted by: DJPLATNUM | September 30, 2008, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm
goof
see our standard of living decrease—-where the hell have you been living the last 8 years.
Posted by: rodney | September 30, 2008, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm
What is the difference between David Duke and Rev. Wright’s teachings?? Answer: Nothing.
Posted by: Christie | September 30, 2008, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm
Posted by: pt ..you seem like a pretty intelligent person..do you really think anyone is going to spend the rest o f the night readying you war and peace comment?..IT’S A SHAME, I’M SURE YOU MADE A COUPLE GOOD POINTS IN THERE SOMEWHERE.
Posted by: LordHelpLiberals | September 30, 2008, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm
rodney – I don’t know . I make a six figure income. All it takes is hard work
Posted by: goof | September 30, 2008, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm
r
no democrats i know of in the kkk plenty of repubs though.
Posted by: rodney | September 30, 2008, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm
Posted by: DJPLATNUM ..i don’t have all night to read your comment.,..but, i’m pretty sure you are an idiot for typing it.
Posted by: LordHelpLiberals | September 30, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
This independant and 3 additional independant family members are all voting for McCain/Palin!!
Posted by: ynot | September 30, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
R – have you never heard of Robert Byrd?
Posted by: R | September 30, 2008, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm
goof six figures——oooooo
Posted by: rodney | September 30, 2008, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm
>>no democrats i know of in the kkk plenty of repubs though.
HA! Robert Byrd was/is member of the KKK. Mr. Pork Fat Cat himself. The dems never go after their own. Why should people respect that party? please.
Posted by: Christie | September 30, 2008, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm
Posted by: Dee Ann Goodson ..i’m sure you mean well, but talk about overkill !!!
Posted by: LordHelpLiberals | September 30, 2008, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm
“palin has one advantage over Biden. Joe can not see Russia from Delaware…”
well all Joe has to do is flip on his Television from 1929 to watch a documentary on Russia. That is if he’s able to duck the enemy fire long enough to get up and look.
Posted by: Johnny | September 30, 2008, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm
Rodney – haven’t you heard of Robert Byrd?
Posted by: R | September 30, 2008, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
Please spar me the Muslim comments already about Obama.They are tired and Old.
I have done my reasearch and i am so sick of people spuing insults and inuendo over the internet. This is an election about our country and what we truly need right now. We are so lost. Why don’t you go do your homework and truly care what happens in this election. There is plenty of truthful reliable information to look into.
Posted by: Diana | September 30, 2008, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm
It is a historical fact that the KKK was started by the Democrat party. Never could figure out why blacks vote Democrat?
Posted by: ynot | September 30, 2008, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm
Nov. 4 is what matter. MacCain is going to win.
Posted by: Joe | September 30, 2008, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm
rodney – Where have have you been? I’m sure you are not starving. I’m sure you have a TV, computer, radio, food, roof over your head …. where’s the bad stuff. How did your living standard decrease in the last 8 years?
Posted by: goof | September 30, 2008, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm
christie——-at 90 what does he wear a wrinkled sheet—–is he the old guy mccain wants to beat up.
Posted by: rodney | September 30, 2008, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm
wow the trolls are out tonight… I think somebody’s WORRIED. LOL
Posted by: Leslie | September 30, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm
Didn’t Joe’s helicopter take on fire? Where’s the media on this gaff/untruth? They went after Mrs. Clinton’s gaff/untruth.
Posted by: Christie | September 30, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm
From the days of Lincoln until the present, blacks have had no better friend, party-wise, than the Republicans. Since its inception in the mid-19th century, the GOP has built an exemplary record on civil rights, particularly if you want to use the Democrat Party as a comparison.
Posted by: R | September 30, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm
The majority of Americans are not educated on the issues, the facts, the candidates, etc. The lack of common sense and education is what has developed such a paranoia and bombardment of misinformation. Add to that the tug-of-war amongst the press and there is your “horserace”. This is no horserace folks. Ignorance, just plain igornance and lack of knowledge about the economy, foreign policy, and domestic issues in general is what most common people in the US are missing the point. The constituents need to wake up and grow a brain – But only 26 percent have a formal education… Congress is BS, and it needs to be cleaned up!
Posted by: Quijote1967 | September 30, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm
it was a Republican-controlled Congress that rammed through the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments to the Constitution that, among other things, abolished slavery, guaranteed equal protection and due process and addressed blacks’ right to vote.
Posted by: R | September 30, 2008, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm
im sure you would not understand it…no harm no foul…..
Posted by: DJPLATNUM | September 30, 2008, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm
In the late 19th century, Democrat governors and Democrat-controlled state legislatures in the South couldn’t pass Jim Crow laws fast enough. Those Democrats created a nearly century-long, legal racial caste system that relegated blacks to the lowest educational, political, economic and social strata. I have family members who grew up under Jim Crow. It wasn’t a joke.
Posted by: R | September 30, 2008, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm
goof
not as much welfare —not keeping up with the cost of beer.
Posted by: rodney | September 30, 2008, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm
David Duke, Rev. Wright. What’s the difference?
Posted by: Christie | September 30, 2008, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm
keep in mind the republicans controlled the government at the time of the great depression, and have been in controlled of the current governement for most of the last 8 years. their policies of deregulation fostered the 2008 economic meltdown, without some oversight greed takes over. mccain has had his hand in both the savings and loan scandal and the current financial mess both keating and graham who contributed to these messes were close mccain confidants. he is a maverick alright, one who has cost the people of this nation billions.
Posted by: marty | September 30, 2008, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm
Republican Warren G. Harding – Funny thing about the Republican Party platform that Harding ran under. It called for federal anti-lynching legislation. Guess which party didn’t? If you said Democrat, go to the head of the line.
Posted by: R | September 30, 2008, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm
r
then republicans should vote for obama
Posted by: rodney | September 30, 2008, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm
For those who do not know who Harding is…Harding was elected in 1920.
Posted by: R | September 30, 2008, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm
I grant you, John F. Kennedy was the Democrat president who federalized the Alabama National Guard and ordered its units to the university to force its doors open to black students. But it’s not generally known that the then-Sen. Kennedy – with an eye on the Democrat presidential nomination for 1960 – voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1957,
Posted by: R | September 30, 2008, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm
christie
i never saw right with a pillowcase on his head.
Posted by: rodney | September 30, 2008, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm
Independent voter in Virginia for McCain
Posted by: boxcar | September 30, 2008, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm
As far as other important civil rights legislation, the 1964 Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 would never have became law if not for Republican senators and congressmen whose overwhelming support offset extreme Democrat opposition.
Now Rodney….I rest my case about the the history of the KKK and the DEMOCRATIC party.
Posted by: R | September 30, 2008, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm
r 1920
how freaking old are you.
Posted by: rodney | September 30, 2008, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm
>>>christie
i never saw right with a pillowcase on his head.
Get a better answer, Rodney.
Posted by: Christie | September 30, 2008, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm
rodney – Are you on welfare?
Posted by: goof | September 30, 2008, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm
r are you telling me colored were members of the kkk—what did they wear colored sheets.
Posted by: rodney | September 30, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm
rodney – Republicans are voting for who is the best person to run this country. THey don’t vote for or against a person based on the color of their skin.
Posted by: R | September 30, 2008, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm
Hey Mack, you are right. Dumb people voted for Bush, but it will take an idiot to vote McCain and Palin.
Posted by: Itchy | September 30, 2008, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm
Barack Obama Constitutionally Ineligible to Serve as President of the United States
http://www.ObamaCrimes.com – Berg vs. Obama, Civil Action No. 08-cv-4083
A lawsuit has been filed to prevent Barack Obama from being the Democratic Party nominee for president because it has been documented that Barack Obama is not a “natural-born citizen” as required by the U.S. Constitution. Obama Campaign claims that the lawsuit has been dismissed are false. The lawsuit is proceding through the federal courts.
Obama’s eligibility must be resolved immediately. If Obama’s citizenship isn’t resolved now, the Republicans will use it for an October surprise. If Obama doesn’t meet the constitutional requirements, we need to know it now so the Democrats can nominate a candidate who is eligible and can win in November – before it is too late to do any good.
The initial press release states in part: (Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania – 08/21/08) – Philip J. Berg, Esquire, (Berg is a former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania; former candidate for Governor; former Chair of the Democratic Party in Montgomery County; and former member of Democratic State Committee) filed suit in Federal Court seeking a Declaratory Judgment and an Injunction that Obama does not meet the qualifications to be President of the United States. Berg filed this suit for the best interests of the Democratic Party and the citizens of the United State… The suite states that Senator Obama:
Is not a natural-born citizen; and/or
Lost his citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia; and/or
Has dual loyalties because of his citizenship with Kenya and Indonesia.
Numerous questions raised about Obama’s background have no satisfactory answers:
Where was Obama born? Hawaii; an island off of Hawaii; Kenya; Canada?
School records list Obama as a citizen of Indonesia. Was he a citizen of Kenya, Indonesia and/or Canada?
Explanation of the names he has used: Barack Obama, Barry Soetoro, Barry Obama, Barack Dunham, & Barry Dunham.
Illinois Bar Application – Obama fails to acknowledge use of names other than Barack Hussein Obama, a blatant lie.
Posted by: Obama Exposed | September 30, 2008, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm
Our country is in far too grave of a crisis right now to gamble on this bimbo that mccain selected.
what a mockery.
it does feel like a bad disney movie nightmare
Posted by: semer | September 30, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm
goof
no
i have a six figure income9000.00
Posted by: rodney | September 30, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm
The National Intelligence Estimate – “Bin Laden determined to strike in US soon”
9-11
WMD’s a slam dunk
Iraq invasion
War will pay for itself
They will greet us with flowers
Mission Accomplished
Katrina
Good Job Brownie
Abu Gahrib
Torture
Gitmo
Secret Prisons
No habeas corpus
The bridge to nowhere
Jack Abramoff
Ted Stevens
Tom Delay
The K-street project
The mortgage crisis
The lending crisis
The meltdown
Bin Laden still lives
The Taliban thrives
4,000 dead
The budget deficit
the cost of the war
John McCain supported Bush 90% of the time.
And there are people who would actually vote for him. Jesus weeps.
Posted by: nh bob | September 30, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm
“He (Bush) has a new disapproval rating of 70 percent, which is a record for all presidents going back to the beginning of public opinion polling in 1938.” If only Al Queda had known that there was no need to attack America by force on our soil. All they had to do was sit back & wait on George Bush to destroy the country from within by it’s own government. Some people say Obama is working with the terrorists? HAVE YOU NOTICED WHAT BUSH HAS DONE TO help DESTROY THIS COUNTRY THE PAST 8 YEARS!!??? I’ll vote for my dog buried out back before I help vote another republican into office.
Posted by: Julie | September 30, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm
David Duke, Rev. Wright. What’s the difference?
nada……
Posted by: DJPLATNUM | September 30, 2008, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm
ACORN’s involved in massive voter fraud. What is happening in Ohio is wrong/same day voter registration. You’re suppose to wait 30 days for it to be legal.
Posted by: Christie | September 30, 2008, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm
r believe that one and i will sell you the bridge to nowhere
Posted by: rodney | September 30, 2008, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm
r 1920
how freaking old are you.
ACtually I’m 36 years old. I like to pride myself on the fact that i am not stupid and I know the history of the party I support. Apparently you do not.
Posted by: R | September 30, 2008, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm
rodney – If you make that little then I can see why you are voting for Obama. Because he will help you out. So you are making the right choice. I’m in a higher tax bracket so Obam would just screw me.
Posted by: goof | September 30, 2008, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm
MCCAIN LEADS AMONG WOMEN
MCCAIN LEADS AMONG INDEPENDENTS
THIS IS THE CRUCIAL VOTING BLOCK THAT WILL DETERMINE THIS ELECTOION
HOWEVER, THE HEADLINE SAYS, “OBAMA LEADS”
GEORGE STEPAHNOLPOLOUS IS A LIBERAL SPOKESMAN..OBAMA BOY
MCCAIN LEAD WHERE IT COUNTS..
Posted by: TJ, THE CLINTONITE | September 30, 2008, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm
Republicans really hate it when poor people vote. When minorities vote. When the turnout is big. When Hispanic vote. And they say they promote democracy and freedom. Good luck with that.
Posted by: nh bob | September 30, 2008, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm
Go to you tube, search on
“Timeline shows Bush, McCain warning Dems of financial mess”
Democrats are responsible for the economic crisis.
VOTE FOR MCCAIN !
Posted by: American Citizen | September 30, 2008, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm
I’m Hispanic. I’m not voting for Obama …
Posted by: goof | September 30, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm
To nh bob: Amen, well said!!!
Posted by: Julie | September 30, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm
goof
if you make over 250 thousand a year –send me the extra and deduct it on your income tax.
Posted by: rodney | September 30, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm
Put it this way. Obama is like a cup of delicious hot chocolate with melted marshmellows. McCain is like a glass of warm milk. Which would you rather have?
Posted by: Yum O | September 30, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm
Go to you tube, search on
“Timeline shows Bush, McCain warning Dems of financial mess”
Democrats are responsible for the economic crisis.
VOTE FOR MCCAIN !
Posted by: American Citizen | September 30, 2008, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm
It is wonderful that the American public is finally paying attention with what is going on in Washington and keeping up with the presidential candidates. The sad truth is many will not vote for Obama simply because of the color of his skin, regardless of the fact that his mother is white. While we have come so far, we still have so much further to go. The rest of the world just sits back and laughs at us…”Leaders of the Free World”, I think not.
Posted by: Linda | September 30, 2008, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm
i have never in my life seen so many people get so much enjoyment as i have seen and heard since Gov. Palin came on the scene. it is truly disheartening to watch one human being be systematically dismantled day after day. one doesn’t have to agree with her positions on the issues, but for heaven’s sake, she is a human being. i think we all have forgotten that. is winning so important that we would gleefully sit by and watch another person be lambasted day after day? if we were passing on the road and we saw a mob beating her senseless with a bat would we keep walking? no difference.
Posted by: robin | Sep 30, 2008 8:57:02 PM
________________
ROBIN, ALL WE GOT TO DO IS VOTE OBAMA OUT AND SILENCE THE MEDIA..
Posted by: TJ, THE CLINTONITE | September 30, 2008, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm
goof you are spanish—-mccain says spain is in south america—–i cannot find it there
Posted by: rodney | September 30, 2008, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm
Obama, DNC and Factcheck.org are in the same bed together in a conspiracy to dismiss the lawsuit from Mr Berg claiming that Obama is not a natural citizen.
OBAMA IS TOAST!
Watch for this to explode in October!
http://www.obamacrimes.com
Posted by: Obama Exposed | September 30, 2008, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm
goof
“I’m Hispanic. I’m not voting for Obama” …
so!!
Posted by: DJPLATNUM | September 30, 2008, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm
rodney – I don’t quite make that much.It’s about half that. So I’m your typical middle class. Don’t worry the government takes a big chunk of that. So I’m allready helping out ….
Gotta go dinner’s waiting ….
Posted by: goof | September 30, 2008, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm
Rodney….you have no more things to say about the KKK?
Posted by: R | September 30, 2008, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm
LINDA
EXACTLY –AND NO DOUBTS ABOUT IT—-ESPECILY THE OLDER PEOPLE—I TALK TO A LOT OF THEM AND I CANNOT REPEAT WHAT THEY SAY—-BUNCH OF OLD RACIST
Posted by: rodney | September 30, 2008, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm
Great Polling information. I am heartened by the fact that American People are not beleiving the hype the media has been creating & trying to sustain for OBAMA. I am an independent and I sincerely do not trust that OBAMA does not have the needed experience. Media helped him knock out Hillary, by raising assasination plot of Hillary against Obama back in June, which was absolutely ridiculous & by painting Bill Clinton as a KKK racist. OBAMA can not hide behind media for ever. Let us see.
Posted by: Independentabc | September 30, 2008, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm
Two, things if you vote McSAME/PAIN.
YOUR AN IDIOT OR A RACIST! I WILL LET YOU DECIDE WHICH ONE.
OBAMA/BIDEN 08′
Posted by: timesuprepubs | September 30, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
R
PERHAPS YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE PAST BUT WE ARE NOW IN THE PRESENT—-CHECK OUT WEST VIRGINIA.
Posted by: rodney | September 30, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
“JUST LIES!”
1.) Selma Got Me Born – LIAR, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 – Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965.
2.) Father Was A Goat Herder – LIAR, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.
3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter – LIAR, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had
4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom – LIAR, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the first widespread violence in decades.
5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian – LIAR, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn’t allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.
6.) My Name is African Swahili – LIAR, your name is Arabic and ‘Baraka’ (from which Barack came) means ‘blessed’ in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.
7.) I Never Practiced Islam – LIAR, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years,until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.
8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian – LIAR, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book).
9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian – LIAR, not one teacher says you could speak the language.
10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia, I Have More Foreign Experience – LIAR, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn’t even speak the language. What did you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.
11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs – LIAR, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.
12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion – LIAR, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify – your classmates said you were just fine.
13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office – LIAR, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn’t, and never did, exist.
14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life – LIAR, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn’t, and never did, exist.
15.) I Won’t Run On A National Ticket In ‘08 – LIAR, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.
16.) Present Votes Are Common In Illinois – LIAR, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.
17.) Oops, I Misvoted – LIAR, only when caught by church groups and democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.
18.) I Was A Professor Of Law – LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer – LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill – LIAR, you didn’t write it,introduce it, change it, or create it.
21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass – LIAR, it took just 14 days from start to finish.
22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill – LIAR, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation – mainly because of your Nuclear Donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.
23.) I Have Released My State Records – LIAR, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.
24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess – LIAR, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens. You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.
25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America – LIAR, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.
26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois – LIAR, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.
27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year – LIAR, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.
28.) No One Contacted Canada About NAFTA – LIAR, the Candian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.
29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism – LIAR, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction of Israel.
30.) I Am Not Acting As President Yet – LIAR, after the NAFTA Memo, a dead terrorist in the FARC, in Colombia, was found with a letter stating how you and he were working together on getting FARC recognized officially.
31.) I Didn’t Run Ads In Florida – LIAR, you allowed national ads to run 8-12 times per day for two weeks – and you still lost.
32.) I Won Michigan – LIAR, no you didn’t.
33.) I won Nevada – LIAR, no you did not.
34.) I Want All Votes To Count – LIAR, you said let the delegates decide.
35.) I Want Americans To Decide – LIAR, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.
36.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate – LIAR, you passed 26, most of which you didn’t write yourself.
37.) My Campaign Was Extorted By A Friend – LIAR, that friend is threatening to sue if you do not stop saying this. Obama has stopped saying this.
38.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics – LIAR, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.
39.) I Don’t Take PAC Money – LIAR, you take loads of it.
40.) I don’t Have Lobbysists – LIAR, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.
41.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad – LIAR, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.
42.) My Campaign Never Took Over MySpace – LIAR, Tom, who started MySpace issued a warning about this advertising to MySpace clients.
43.) I Inspire People With My Words – LIAR, you inspire people with other people’s words.
44.) I Have Passed Bills In The U.S. Senate – LIAR, you have passed A BILL in the U.S. Senate – for Africa, which shows YOUR priorities.
45.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq – LIAR, you weren’t in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time, unlike Kucinich, who seems to be out gutting you Obama. You also seem to be stepping back from your departure date – AGAIN.
46.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care – LIAR, your plan leaves us all to pay the 15,000,000 who don’t have to buy it.
47.) I Only Found Out About My Investment Conflicts Via Mail – LIAR, both companies you site as having sent you letters about this conflict have no record of any such letter ever being created or sent.
48.) I Am As Patriotic As Anyone – LIAR, you won’t wear a flag pin and you don’t put your hand over your heart during the Anthem.
49.) My Wife Didn’t Mean What She Said About Pride In Country – LIAR, your wife’s words follow lock-step in the vain of Wright and Farrahkan, in relation to their contempt and hatred of America.
50.) Wal-Mart Is A Company I Wouldn’t Support – LIAR, your wife has received nearly a quater of a million dollars through Treehouse, which is connected to Wal-Mart.
51.) Treehouse Is A Small Company – LIAR, the CEO of Treehouse last year, made more than the CEO of Wal-Mart, according to public records.
52.) University Of Chicago Hospital Pay Is Fair – LIAR, your wife’s pay raise was nearly 150% her already bloated rate and the hospital is a Non-Profit Hospital, which made $100,000,000 in the last 3 years. They overcharge blacks VS whites for services, and overcharge everyone in general by 538%!
53.)I Barely Know Rezko – Only 5 Billed Hours – LIAR, you have known him for 17 years, and decided to do a real estate deal with him during a time when he was proven to be under investigation. Despite this, you divided your property and had them take off $300K before the mortgage problems started. Then Rezko’s wife buys the lot beside it that you can’t afford, saving you $625,000.
54.) My Donations Have Been Checked Thoroughly – LIAR, you only gave back Hsu ($72K) and Rezko ($150K) their money when publically called on their involvement in your campaigns.
55.) My Church Is Like Any Other Christian Church – LIAR, your church is so extreme, the pastor who married you, Rev. Wright, just got done blaming the US for 9/11 and named Louis Farrahkan their person of the year.
56.) I Disagree With My Church All The Time – LIAR, you still have yet to repudiate Wright, who married you and your wife, and you still donate large sums of money to assist the church in furthering its message – hatred and revenge. You donated in 2006 alone, $22,500 to the church that you so terribly disagree with. That is nearly $500 PER WEEK – that sure is disagreement, Senator Obama.
57.) I Have Clean Connections Despite Rezko – LIAR, you are not only connected to Exelon and Rezko, you are also connected to Hillary PAC supporter Mr. Hsu, AND an Iraqi Billionaire of ill repute, Nadhmi Auchi, who ripped off people in the Food For Oil, Iraqi deal. Seems Mr. Auchi may have helped Obama buy his million dollar property long before Obama had millions of dollars. Wonder what favors Mr. Auchi expects, when Obama leaves Iraq free to be taken over by special interests such as him.
58.) I never heard sermons like Rev. Wright’s, that have been in videos all day, You Tube – LIAR! 3 days later during your Mea Culpa BS speech you said “Did I hear controversial statements while I sat in that church? Yes I did.”
Posted by: Kikz | September 30, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
GOOF
SEE YOU LATER
Posted by: rodney | September 30, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm
Barack Hussien Obama
Wright
Rezko
Farrakhan
William Ayers
Black Phanther
Malcolm X
ACORN
They are the same kind or type of people.
It is up to you now to decide what is best for our country.
“Birds of the same feathers flock together.”
“Tell me your friends are, and I tell you who you are.”
What a scary thought ahead for our country…
Think people… think…
Posted by: Kikz | September 30, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm
This whole thing comes down to a simple question. If you think the last 8 years of republican presidential management has been good, then vote for the republican candidate for president. But if you feel as I do that the last 8 years has seen the biggest rip off of the American people in the history of this country then you would be a fool to put the republicans back in charge.
Oh you object because you say McCain/Palin are different republicans. Your right they are even more out of touch than Bush/Cheney. Palin is an extreme social conservative who is so ignorant that she believes that humans have only been on this Earth for a short time (20,000 years) and that evolution is a hoax.
You have McCain who his whole political career has been a champion of no-government oversight of financial dealings and we see what that has gotten us. He also was heavily involved in the last major financial crisis the Keating 5, Savings and Loan bail out. He is so audacious that though he chaired the committee overseeing gambling, he regularly(once a month) went to these same casinos with their lobbyist in tow and gambled. Surprise, surprise – he wins quite often when he goes!
So if you want 4 more like the last 8. Then vote for McCain/Palin
Posted by: ugot2bfree | September 30, 2008, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm
Rodney where are your FACTS? I’m waiting. You all spout racism on the Republican side. It is a very weak argument to say that the only reason people are not voting for Obama is because he is black. You have not mentioned ONE Republican name who is a registered member of the KKK but dems names have been cited.
Posted by: R | September 30, 2008, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm
Great Polling information. I am heartened by the fact that American People are not beleiving the hype the media has been creating & trying to sustain for OBAMA. I am an independent and I sincerely do not trust that OBAMA has the needed experience. Media helped him knock out Hillary, by raising assasination plot of Hillary against Obama back in June, which was absolutely ridiculous & by painting Bill Clinton as a KKK racist. OBAMA can not hide behind media for ever. Let us see.
Posted by: Independentabc | September 30, 2008, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm
Middle America is sick of paying the way for lazy urbanites who refuse to get an education, refuse to work hard for a livng and expect handouts at every turn. Obama and your ACORNs I am talking about you. The Clinton voters will give Obama quite a surprise in November.
Posted by: geevill | September 30, 2008, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm
Palin is toast! Just wait to find out that SP is the grandmother of the last baby…. she continues to lie, lie, lie! She is definitely mean-spirited demeanor – attacking when she can but can’t put a sentence together! No she is toast with all the deceptions she has brought along….narrow minded, self indulging. What ever happens…I do hope Palin walks away from all of this….she is a total disgrace.
Sick and Tied of this she has bullied her way up the ladder in Alaska to become governor and shame on them for allowing her to be there when people actually have said that her husband is the one who is controlling the “Governor’s Office” because he couldn’t run based upon he didn’t have a degree. Come on Wake Up…this is no sense….
Posted by: PalinisToast | September 30, 2008, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm
I don’t know why anyone is predicting McCain winning. The electoral map shows him with 227 as opposed to 252 yesterday. A lot of people think Obama is better at the economy. Afterall, didn’t McCain admit that he didn’t know much. I don’t think anyone can predict who will win, it’s going to be close.
Posted by: annie | September 30, 2008, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm
Why did George stop Obama from discussing his “muslim faith”?????????
Posted by: geevill | September 30, 2008, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm
I like how our potential VP of the USA is asked questioned and put in the fire and you patsy repubs claim she is being treated unfairly. MY GOD JA#KA$$ES, WTF do you think would happen if we did not find out who she is and she decides the end of days (which her church believes in) should be now! FU#*IN Wake up you morons!! SHE NEEDS TO BE QUESTIONED AND SHE IS SHOWING SHE IS AN ABSOLUTE IDIOT!! THAT IS NO ONES FAULT, SHE IS JUST STUPID!!! WE HAVE DEALT WITH STUPID NOW FOR 8 YEARS, NO MORE
OBAMA/BIDEN 08′
Posted by: timesuprepubs | September 30, 2008, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm
R SINCE YOU ARE SO KNOWLEDGABLE ABOUT THE KKK ARE YOU A MEMBER—JUST THE TRUTH PLEASE.
Posted by: rodney | September 30, 2008, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm
To American Citizen: Go look these up in the recent history of factual statements made by McCain: 1. Back in June McCain stating that “he didn’t how much gasoline cost and that he didn’t see why it mattered”, 2. How about McCain stating, “I don’t know how many houses I own, I’ll get back to you” 3. And finally McCain’s top economic adviser Phil Gramm tells America to suck it up and stop complaining about the economy; says we have become a nation of whiners. Also, we must keep in mind that it’s hard to have a real genuine feel of the American middle class economic pain when your wife is a beer-heiress. Certainly Bush is no better, it’s well known he’s an oil man. Oh, and speaking of oil men don’t forget Palin’s BP Oil husband. NOW BASED ON THESE STATEMENTS & THIS MENTALITY – please explain to me how, when or where Bush & McSenile warned us of a financial mess? I honestly don’t think Bush even knew anything was happening with the American publics finances until a week ago… oh, and would that be because the corporate giants started crying help?
Posted by: Julie | September 30, 2008, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm
R NEXT YOU WILL TELL ME THEY ARE ALL BLACK PEOPLE UNDER THOSE SHEETS—–HA HA HA HA
Posted by: rodney | September 30, 2008, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm
Annie,
go back and look at the Democratic primary results. Anyone who thinks Obama is within 8 points in West Virginia must be part of the main stream media or an Obama supporter.
Posted by: geevill | September 30, 2008, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm
What’s up with ABC? If those “specialty” group numbers were as you say then Obama cannot have any lead at all.
Your poll, contrary to every other is suspicious to say the least. Ohio and Florida just joined Virginia and North Carolina in giving the lead to Obama so clearly there is no race left and you just manufacturing false stories to get readers.
Posted by: saffy | September 30, 2008, 5:53 pm 5:53 pm
Rodney – No I am not a member of the KKK. I don’t think my husband would appreciate that much as he is an African American. I do however have a degree in both politics and history. Do you have any type of education? I see you say an awful lot but with very little substance to back it up.
Posted by: R | September 30, 2008, 5:53 pm 5:53 pm
Myself and 3 other family members(All Independants) started out suporting Obama. Now all 4 will be voting for McCain/Palin,why? Because Obama is acting like every other politition out there , the CHANGE he promised was just a lie to get votes! He tells a crowd last week to get in peoples face,has mileading adds, lies all the time. That’s not change , that’s more of the same… Betrayed by Obama……
Posted by: ynot | September 30, 2008, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm
By the way your 51-42 Obama favor poll was just as fraudulent and false.
Posted by: saffy | September 30, 2008, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm
I am an independent by the way who is voting OBAMA, my wife is an independent who is voting OBAMA and my two republican parents, one is voting OBAMA and my conservative dad is not voting because he thinks Palin is an IDIOT and would never vote Dem.. Two down maybe what 1000 to go. Look at the RCP electoral and even the repub states. Many have already turned Blue. NOT THIS TIME FACIST BUSHITS!!
Posted by: timesuprepubs | September 30, 2008, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm
R
THAT IS A LOT OF CRAP—–AS I ASKED YOU DO YOU THINK THAT THEY ARE BLACK PEOPLE UNDER THOSE SHEETS.
Posted by: rodney | September 30, 2008, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm
How can any one with a secondary education vote McCain/Palin? I really, sincerely don’t understand. Attack me all you want, but anyone who actually THINKS rather than blindly follows a party line can not, with any ounce of self-respect, education, self-awareness or grasp on current affairs, vote for such vapid irresponsible candidates as McCain/Palin. My God…think for just a moment…instead of swallowing party-line kool-aid. How can you possibly believe that Sarah Palin is qualified? Her family is in chaos (at least mine would be if I had a pregnant 17 year old daughter), she is currently under an ethics probe that the McCain operatives are trying to quash, she is incapable of uttering a coherent, intelligent sentence without depending upon sarcasm and snarkiness, and she is completely ill epquipped to grasp anything larger than winning an election. Get a clue! She’s good at zingers and sound bites. Is that who you want running the country after McCain keels over after his 5th melanoma? I just don’t get it. How could any sound person think this duo is right for this country?
Posted by: Barb Butler | September 30, 2008, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm
I’m not sure what you think is a lot of crap. But no I do not think those were black people under those sheets. I believe those were very ignorant evil people under those sheets who did not deserve the air they breathed.
Posted by: R | September 30, 2008, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm
geevill, I said nothing about Obama winning WVa. That will definately go to McCain, no question. Va is another story though.
Posted by: annie | September 30, 2008, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm
Ron Paul Warned Of The Financial Crisis One Year Ago.
Defying President Bush and the leaders of both parties the US House rejected a $700 billion economic rescue plan in a revolt that rocked the US Capitol, sent markets plunging and left top lawmakers groping for a resolution.
So by the time that bell sounded again on the NY Stock Exchange $1.2 trillion had vanished from the United States stock market. The broad market, as measured by the Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index, plunged almost 9 percent, its third-biggest decline since World War II. The Dow Jones industrial average fell nearly 778 points, or 7 percent, to 10,365.
However, please recognize that the defeat of this massive bailout is actually something Ron Paul was highly in favor of. If the bill had passed, it would have provided short term relief that would have blown up from $700 billion initially allocated to at least 5 trillion dollars and the further dilution of the dollar could truly have been catastrophic as it would have continued to accelerate the massive decline of the dollar.
So, despite the record stock market losses please understand and realize that this is a GOOD SIGN. Like many medical therapies sometimes you just get worse before you get better and this is a classic example.
The REAL danger here, and believe you me it is a danger, is to become afraid. Once you step into the powerful emotion of fear and you put your intention on what you don’t want the consequence is you activate powerful natural forces that tend to provide you with whatever thoughts you are attaching strong emotions to. This is clearly something you want to avoid doing, so stop being afraid of the economy.
It is important for you and your family to CANCEL any negative thoughts about this. I simply yell “Cancel!” and imagine a large red diagonal line going through any image I don’t want. The more you and others do that, the more likely we will all reap the benefits of this positive focus and intention.
Hang in there and CONTINUE TO FOCUS ON WHAT YOU WANT, and the real key is to attach as much emotion to what you want. Simply wishing or thinking about it is not sufficient. You have to attach strong emotions to what you want.
This Ron Paul’s Selection For President of the United States Of America
After a thorough investigation, there is no doubt in backing and voting for
Ralph Nader.
http://www.votenader.org/about/
No Way to Obama. McCain is on the back burner. Obama failed our investigation. McCain did somewhat better.
The United States does not need another Democrat like Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton or Obama to again lead the United States into a disastrous financial Crisis. Voter’s BEWARE of Obama . Obama is nothing more than lip service. Obama will be nothing more than a Democrat puppet that will give expensive regulations. The United States taxpayers CANNOT afford another bailout.
This post is not paid for by any political party.
Posted by: Judge | September 30, 2008, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm
sandy wrote:
“Bubbling under are new details about ACORN’s role in our current financial crisis. And new details about Sen. Obama- his role with ACORN and Ayers.”
What a bunch of BS. That is not “new details” but simply Repugnant talking points promulgated by Sean Hannity’s obsession with right-wing crapola (grasping at straws!)
The Repugnants will not succeed in swiftboating Obama with this BS. Fortunately, the American people are beginning to see through McCain and his tempestuous risky behavior (choosing Palin was the final irrefutable proof that the main is desperate and his ‘country first’ motto a joke!)
The ANC poll shows the smallest Obama lead amongst a host of polls – most are averaging a 5-6 point lead for Obama. Prediction: Obama’s lead will be even larger by the end of the week!
McCain and the GOP are going down. Finally, after 8 years of corruption and lies, we can restore dignity to the Whitehouse! I can’t wait!
Posted by: Joe Bloggs | September 30, 2008, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm
R THANK YOU
MY POINT IS THAT THERE ARE MANY WHITE PEOPLE THAT WILL NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA BECAUSE OF HIS COLOR—–I WILL AND I AM WHITE–AND I FEEL THAT HE IS BY VERY FAR SMARTER THAN MCCAIN—THE —D-STUDENT
Posted by: rodney | September 30, 2008, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm
So what is the difference between the Kikz list and the NH Bob list above? The Kikz list is people who once lived or were once in the room with Obama. The NH Bob list is things Republicans actually did – a long woeful history of incompetence, greed, corruption and arrogance that left us all in this sorry sorry spot. They can not run from their record – it haunts us each and every one.
Posted by: nh bob | September 30, 2008, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm
Three predictions:
1)Obama will be the next president of the United States of America.
2)Someone will go to jail tied to the bank crisis.
3)In the coming year you will see members of the Bush administration indicted.
Posted by: Isaiah | September 30, 2008, 6:01 pm 6:01 pm
Picking up Palin has been the most disrecpectful offense to the intelligence of every american.( the smart ones, the ones who read, the one` s who thinks ) All the others are clueless
Posted by: Constantino Regalado | September 30, 2008, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm
JUDGE
I APPROVE YOUR MESSAGE THAT WE DONT NEED ANOTHER BUSH—-HOWEVER BUSH WAS A –C–STUDENT AND MCCAIN A—-D—STUDENT—-JUST WHAT WE NEED ANOTHER DUMMY.
Posted by: rodney | September 30, 2008, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm
thank u barb
How can any one with a secondary education vote McCain/Palin? I really, sincerely don’t understand. Attack me all you want, but anyone who actually THINKS rather than blindly follows a party line can not, with any ounce of self-respect, education, self-awareness or grasp on current affairs, vote for such vapid irresponsible candidates as McCain/Palin. My God…think for just a moment…instead of swallowing party-line kool-aid. How can you possibly believe that Sarah Palin is qualified? Her family is in chaos (at least mine would be if I had a pregnant 17 year old daughter), she is currently under an ethics probe that the McCain operatives are trying to quash, she is incapable of uttering a coherent, intelligent sentence without depending upon sarcasm and snarkiness, and she is completely ill epquipped to grasp anything larger than winning an election. Get a clue! She’s good at zingers and sound bites. Is that who you want running the country after McCain keels over after his 5th melanoma? I just don’t get it. How could any sound person think this duo is right for this country?
Posted by: DJPLATNUM | September 30, 2008, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm
Annie,
you missed my point. The polls show Obama within 8 point sin West Va. and ahead in PA. If you believe in those polls fine. but be warned PUMA will strike on November 4.
Posted by: geevill | September 30, 2008, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm
Rodney – I’m not living in a naive world. I am sure there are some people who are not voting for Obama because he is black but there are just as many blacks who are votign for Obama because he is black and that is just as bad. But I do believe majority of the people who are voting for McCain is not because he is the WHITE candidate. I belive everyone has a right to their own opinion and beliefs but I also believe that it is important if you make an argument to be able to back it up with fact otherwise you become a weakness to your cause. A liability to your party. Many people on the fence read these blogs…they go on looking for real reasons to vote for one person or another and they don’t usually side with the person whos only argument is they are “racist stupid rednecks”.
I love a good debate and can even respect the person who is disagreeing with me, not everyone has to think like me. I said it earlier and I will say it again..as General Patton Jr. said “If everyone was thinking alike…someone isn’t thinking”. God Bless America! Good night
Posted by: R | September 30, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm
Hey Judge. I can write anything I want as well , I am a 40 year white woman with one child. I am an Evangelical and believe McSame is the father of Palins baby and is the antichrist.
PROVE ME WRONG!! SEE THAT IS WHAT IS SO STUPID ABOUT ALL THIS CRAP. YOU CAN SAY AND PRINT WHATEVER RACIST SLANDER YOU WANT TRUE OR NOT. SEE DEMS CAN DO THE SAME.. DU#BA$$ES
Posted by: timesuprepubs | September 30, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm
The ist MACK doesn’t speak for all the Macks, Dump is voting for McCain and Palin, who will get america in more trouble then are know, (Change their name to Bush and it’s the Same)
Posted by: THE REAl Mack | September 30, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm
ACORN and voter FRAUD
Columnist Mona Charen brings up a glaring example of how wary we need to be about voter fraud this November 4th. Her column exposes the uber-liberal, taxpayer-funded Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN). ACORN says it is “the nation’s largest grassroots community organization of low- and moderate-income people.” However, their two main accomplishments appear to be perpetuating voter fraud and furthering their reliance on the federal trough. ACORN employees are under investigation in a number of places, most of them battleground states. Both candidates need to do everything in their power to ensure that voter fraud does not occur.
Additional Resources
Danforth and Rudman: Fair and square
Townhall.com: Mona Charen on ACORN
Posted by: lilij | September 30, 2008, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm
These Rush Limbaugh ditto heads shouting about ACORN are so stupid. Blacks make up just 12% of the US population. If every black person in America got a bad loan, they couldn’t be responsible for this financial mess.
That is what Hannity, Rush and all the stupid far right nuts do, get low info listeners to repeat their hateful talking points.
I don’t see any poor people being bailed out here. I wish you were as upset about executives running a company in the ground and walking off with millions as you are about some poor people getting a chance to own a home.
Posted by: merlisa | September 30, 2008, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm
Isaiah, Amen
Posted by: fearforthefuture | September 30, 2008, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm
It’s interesting how quickly the opinion polls on Palin have nosedived. I actually think that a lot of people who would typically have been turned off by Obama are back on the fence due to fear of President Palin. I was looking through a variety of polls this evening (on fivethirtyeight) and between the polls and the intrade betting, Obama clearly has a commanding lead.
http://palincounter.blogspot.com/
Posted by: billthomson | September 30, 2008, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm
This indp voter will be voting for Obama….
Posted by: indp voter | September 30, 2008, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm
Obviously a lot of people still get their information from the Obama propaganda machine, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and MSNBC, as well as a few dying newspapers.
I’ll bet most of the people paying attention now never even heard of Jeremiah Wright, much less Bill Ayers and Tony Rezko. Franklin Raines, Jim Johnson, Frank Marshall Davis, Khalid Al-Monseur and Perry Sutton anyone?
Posted by: ragnar30066 | September 30, 2008, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm
AND ALL THOSE WHO SAY I AM SO AND SO AND I AM VOTING THIS WAY OR THAT. WHAT CRAP!!! YOUR ALL A BUNCH OF LIARS. EVERYONE NEEDS TO KNOW THE REPUBS ARE PAYING PEOPLE TO SIT ON THESE SITES AND LIE AND CLAIM TO BE SOMEONE THEY ARE NOT..
Posted by: timesuprepubs | September 30, 2008, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm
rodney – I’m back … Obama was a ‘C’ student in high school. Don’t know about his college grades … he refused to release that.
Posted by: goof | September 30, 2008, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm
Picking up Palin has been the most disrecpectful offense to the intelligence of every american.( the smart ones, the ones who read, the one` s who thinks ) All the others are clueless
Posted by: Constantino Regalado | Sep 30, 2008 10:03:13
___________
YOU ARE AN ABSOLUTE IDIOT.
THIS WOMAN IS A GOVERNOR, WHAT HAVE YOU AND YOUR MESSAIH, OBAMA EVER DONE?
Posted by: TJ, THE CLINTONITE | September 30, 2008, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm
R
GOODNIGHT
Posted by: rodney | September 30, 2008, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm
Can this be Obama under the sheets?
The presidential candidate officially rejects the claims, but the issue of Obama’s personal faith has re-emerged amid conflicting accounts of his enrollment as a Muslim during elementary school in Indonesia, the world’s most populous Muslim nation.
Widely distributed reports have noted in January 1968, Obama was registered as a Muslim at Jakarta’s Roman Catholic Franciscus Assisi Primary School under the name Barry Soetoro. He was listed as an Indonesian citizen whose stepfather, listed on school documents as “L Soetoro Ma,” worked for the topography department of the Indonesian Army.
After a thorough investigation, there is no doubt in backing and voting for
Ralph Nader.
http://www.votenader.org/about/
No Way to Obama. McCain is on the back burner. Obama failed our investigation. McCain did somewhat better.
This post is not paid for by any political party.
Posted by: Judge | September 30, 2008, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm
polls too close for anyone to know. not everyone has access to internet, especially the elderly and dave letterman.
Posted by: zorra | September 30, 2008, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm
Is it me or are you people who are supporting McCain Palin aren’t looking at the facts but Obama’s race. Those people who vote on race should be ashamed of themselves. Obama will clean up this mess that Mcbush created and will restore our place in the world. Is it me or the republicans don’t care about restoring our reputation abroad. If we as a country fought the war on terror with special opps, Cia, and the Fbi along with isolating terrorist government with diplomacy, we would have won the war on terror by now.
Posted by: Smartvoter | September 30, 2008, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm
Hey ragnar30066, you ever heard of the KEATING 5. IDIOT!
Posted by: timesuprepubs | September 30, 2008, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm
yes
Posted by: Pudding | September 30, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
Poll is a candidate’s ad. Who pays for it? That’s my question. few thousand calls that could predict who’ll win the election in November!!!
Posted by: alex | September 30, 2008, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm
GOOF ACTUALLY
I CANNOT REVEAL WHAT I AM WORTH—AND LIKE YOU I HAVE WORKED FOR WHAT I HAVE AS MUCH AS 48 HOURS STRAIGHT—BUT HOWEVER OBAMA IS FAR SMARTER THAN MCCAIN SOMEONE I HAVE KNOWN OF FOR MANY YEARS
OPPS LEFT ON THE CAPS
Posted by: rodney | September 30, 2008, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm
geevill, McCain won’t turn any blue states red but Obama has a good chance of turning red states blue. I am not saying Obama will win because I don’t have a crystal ball but it will be very interesting.
Posted by: annie | September 30, 2008, 6:16 pm 6:16 pm
timesuprepubs – I am a republican, I am actually not sure though who I am voting for but I don’t think people are being paid to sit on these blogs and say they are voting one way or another. Honestly, the majority of people who are campaigning for either candidate are not wasting their time on blogs where the majority of people on them just have nothing better to do with their time. They aren’t going to try and convince people who don’t have an ounce of rationality in their head to move to their party. They already know that people like you are not going to be able to make any type of rational argument for any issue they bring up. Really, they don’t have time for people like you. They have bigger fish to fry.
Posted by: R | September 30, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
Hey Judge, You are stupid. I can say McSAME was mi lui knau in Vietnam and gave secrets to Vietnamese. Just because you are Republican, do not make up names and hide behind Nader.
looser. Besides the jacass nader crowd caused the last 8 years and should all be sent to some deserted island this nov.
Posted by: timesuprepubs | September 30, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
Polls
ABC/Wash Post – 50/46 Obama
Gallup 49/43 Obama
Rasmussen 51/45 Obama
Hotline 47/41 Obama
GW Battleground 48/46 Obama
CBS/NY Times 48/43 Obama
RealClearPolitics.com electoral college map currently looks to be -
249/163 Obama with 126 toss up votes.
Pollster.com calls electoral college map -
229/174 Obama with 135 toss up
Posted by: nh bob | September 30, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
FACT: Pollsters can only call people on landlines.
FACT: Most young voters do not have landlines, only cell phones.
RESULT: Polls are under-reporting young voter preferences; Obama will win.
P.S. I am voting for McCain.
Posted by: Pudding | September 30, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
McCain/Palin is such a better choice than phony Obama. And I used to support him in the primaries. The guy has just gotten to arrogant, angry,and lies daily.I just cant take him anymore. Should be an interesting outcome for this election, I think the polling is very suspect..
Posted by: ynot | September 30, 2008, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm
Rodney – thanks for the good debate. I’m still voting for McCain/Palin. :)
Posted by: R | September 30, 2008, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm
People like me I have debated some of the best Republicans on the real issues. You have no idea. Bring it on. Want to debate! OK
Posted by: timesuprepubs | September 30, 2008, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm
At this point I can care less. Obama or McCain, so what. Where is the leadership? Where is the committment to the American people rather then their Wall Street contributors? Where is the political courage on either of there parts? What happened to McCain’s maverick status? How many times do I have to hear from Obama ” it’s not the best bill but it’s the best we can get right now and this is just the beginning and if you elect me then I’ll fix it” ? Yeah right. I’m sick of taking it small piece by small piece for years and years if it even happens at all. No political courage there.
These are two corporate candidates and there is no hope for change with these two. What happened to public financing?
Where the influence of special interests is minimized. This year the Dems have the dubious distinction of bringing in more money from Wall Street then their Republican opponent in the Presidential campaign. These two candidates are supporting a bailout that does everything for their Wall Street contributors and little for the American people and “it’s not the best bill but the best we have” is not good enough. I applaud those Dems and those Repubs in the House who do have political courage and are attempting to put forth a different bill which puts the people of this Country first. It would be nice to see at last one Senator who isn’t bought and sold by Wall Street come out in support of it tomorrow. I can guarantee you it won’t be either Obama or McCain though.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 30, 2008, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm
VERY GLAD TO HEAR MAC IS COMING BACK
THE DO-NOTHING CONGRESS , PELOSI, REID, DODD, AND FRANK WANTED MCCAIN HOLDING THE BAG FOR THEIR MESS.
IT WAS OBAMA IN BED WITH FANNIE MAE AND AIG AND ACORN…
IM GLAD THAT MAC IS BACK!!
MCCAIN/PALIN TRUST AN AMERICAN HERO NOT A MAN WHO PROMISING EVERYBODY EVERYTHING..
OBAMA IS FROM THE FRYING PAN RIGHT INTO THE FIRE..
MAC IS BACK!!
MAC IS BACK!!
MAC IS BACK!!
MAC IS BACK!!
WOMEN AND INDEPENDENTS KEEP IT UP..
FLORIDA, BE KIND TO MCCAIN.. HE’S A HERO NOT A ZERO, LIKE OBAMA.
Posted by: TJ, THE CLINTONITE | September 30, 2008, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm
Good luck Obama…
America is lucky to have Barak Obama as a president of this country. I strongly believe he is the only person who can bring a positive change to this country.
Why blame Bush now? Who elected him as a president, not just once but twice?
It will take another 8 years for America to catch up with what happened in the last 8 years.
Posted by: observer | September 30, 2008, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
FACT: Pollsters can only call people on landlines.
FACT: Most young voters do not have landlines, only cell phones.
RESULT: Polls are under-reporting young voter preferences; Obama will win.
P.S. I am voting for McCain.
Posted by: Pudding | September 30, 2008, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
Add on to my other post. I think Obama will win because the math is for him. Think this election will not be decided by the popular vote but by the electoral college. Obama has to holds PA and MI, McCain hasn’t been leading in any of the polls there. From there, Obama looks poised to gain NM and IA. After that all Obama really needs is any of these states because it looks like the Dems are going to control the house so that a tie would mean that he would be president: CO,NV,VA,NC,IN,OH,MO, or FL. It looks like Obama has a great chance.
Posted by: Smartvoter | September 30, 2008, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
It just dawned on me. Have you noticed that Obama has documented associations with radical/crooked bussiness ‘partners’, racist comments/views in his self written book, his self-admitted history of drug abuse, shady dealings … And the worse thing anybody can say about McCain is that he is part of a party that is not very popular now? When the truth is ,he is not very well liked in his own party cause time after time he has sided and voted with the Dems.
One candidate has flawed character issues, a shady past, racists views, lack of experience … The other is at worse … part of an unpopular party.
Yet some are willig to overlook this shady politician only becuase he is young and is cleverly using the key words (Hope …Change) when his past clearly details that he is at best a very typical Chicago style politician.
Proves my point. That the typical Obama supporter is either a dye-in-the-wool Democrat that is unwilling to vote any other way or very young (under 30 yrs old) who is limited by the lack of life experience with a very limited knowledge of history. Cause clearly no one else could possibly suport such a flawed individual. Anyone who has been around saw the same thing years ago when a young charismatic Fidel Castro took control of a tiny country promising much the same thing as Obabma. He too was young , articulate, well spoken and charismatic.
McCain is no dream either but at least we know what he is … at worse , a very liberal RINO.
Posted by: goof | September 30, 2008, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm
@ ragnar30066
LOL, I love when the right whines about the “liberal” media. If the media was liberal, we would not have gone to war, bush would not have won a second term, and the bush/cheney administration would now be in jail. Your party has sent this country to hell now you have to deal with the media shining a spotlight on your failures
Posted by: fearforthefuture | September 30, 2008, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm
I’m so tired of hearing that McCain finished at the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy. With the caliber of people they select to attend there, I don’t think it would be unlikely to have someone finish at the bottom of the class with a B average. Does anyone know what the GPAs were of his graduating class?
Posted by: J | September 30, 2008, 6:23 pm 6:23 pm
Obama, born in Mobassa, Kenya. His true original birth certificate was discovered there. Now, there is a lawsuit against him and the DNC for fraud. Obama refused to produce:
1) a certified copy of Obama’s “vault” (original long version) Birth Certificate
2) a certified copy of Obama’s Certificate of Citizenship
3) a certified copy of the Oath of Allegiance taken by Obama taken at the age of majority.
Google: Berg v. Obama, No. 08-cv-04083.
Obama come clean with the citizens of this country, produce the documents or leave our country!
Posted by: "The Truth" | September 30, 2008, 6:23 pm 6:23 pm
NH bob, I have posted the poll #’s as well, Keep up the good work. I love it when people say McSame is ahead. WHERE? HAHAH
Posted by: timesuprepubs | September 30, 2008, 6:23 pm 6:23 pm
Perhaps I watched a different debate than some, but as a life-long independent voter – with clear objectivity in the campaign – I can say that Senator McCain demonstrated who it appears he truly is: an aged, frustrated and angry person.
Clearly, Senator Obama showed dignity, command of the English language and a strong sense of the challenges facing the next president. It appeared Senator McCain was relying on repetition of phrase and message, laced with anger.
Perhaps the most telling aspect of the debate was Senator McCain’s unwillingness and/or inability to make eye contact with Senator Obama.
I am saddened to see Senator McCain’s career eroded to near-extinction. His latest effort to salvage what is left – in the form of “suspending” his campaign as a sign of gallantry – was a dismal failure. Couple that with appointing – and sheltering – Governor Palin is consistent with the Senator’s inability to execute a credible campaign.
We need a 21st century person in the White House. Sad as it may be, Senator McCain seems unaware the 21st century exists.
Posted by: saftgek | September 30, 2008, 6:23 pm 6:23 pm
Neither of them are prepared to lead. Our only hope is to keep the politicians knotted up in their undies. Democratic congress, Republican white house. Let them chase each others’ tails and leave us alone.
Posted by: Pudding | September 30, 2008, 6:23 pm 6:23 pm
Fact, MCSAME FOUGHT AND VOTED FOR DEREGULATION FOR 26 YEARS!!
OBAMA/ BIDEN 08′
Posted by: timesuprepubs | September 30, 2008, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm
There seems to be no difference between Fauxboma and McCain. Even with the advise of one of the richest man in the world Fauxboma is afraid to speak up or act as a president. Very shallow and weak for such a “change” maker. So far Fauxbama hasn’t changed a thing and is just another Bush touting the word Change. Bushbama. Bushbama.
Posted by: linda | September 30, 2008, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm
FACT: MCSAME HAD A PLEA DEAL TO RAT ON HIS BUDDIES IN THE KEATING 5 IN ORDER TO AVOID HIS INVESTIGATION AND JAIL TIME..
Posted by: timesuprepubs | September 30, 2008, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm
I’m a Republican voting for Obama/Biden. The Republican party has pimped us out to the point that we are losing status as a first world country. They have used up their political chips. And putting Sarah Palin up as a potential world leader just seems desperate. They dug their own grave and now they can lie in it. Obama seems to be a man of his word.
Posted by: Lee | September 30, 2008, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm
R
WE DO WHAT IS RIGHT FOR US –and hope for the best—–i came up the way obama has –from nothing and worked too hard for what i have—when i see a brilliant young person like obama i feel he can really do us some good—a lot of what i say is just to rile people up and when i get attacked it is amusing—you see i just dont get angry.
i have dealt with people for many years-and nothing surprises me.
Posted by: rodney | September 30, 2008, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm
Obviously a lot of people still get their information from the Obama propaganda machine, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and MSNBC, as well as a few dying newspapers.
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Well the legitimate media seems to be a more rational choice than the “I hate Obama” websites you frequent for YOUR “news”.
But I’m sure they’re credible. Hahahaha. And they’re not biased like the above agencies. Your funny!
Get a life.
Posted by: The Evil Media People | September 30, 2008, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm
To Kikz and other Obama attackers – I’m not voting for McCain for many reasons, but the biggest reason is the fact that he has voted for Bush’s policies most of the time – and look where it’s gotten us. Your attacks on Obama with “facts” are purely to get people to draw unsubstantiated conclusions (based purely on an emotional response)about Obama – when the Republican party has a PROVEN record of abysmal failures. I’m one of those swing voters out there who doesn’t want a repeat of the past 8 years. I don’t expect miracles over the next 4 years – we’re too far gone for that – but I do expect some real changes in direction. And I do expect that we should learn from our mistakes.
Posted by: Just me | September 30, 2008, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm
If the INDEPENDENTS give this to Obama, they will be hated by half of the country.
Posted by: voting for big john | September 30, 2008, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm
FACT: Pollsters can only call people on landlines.
FACT: Most young voters do not have landlines, only cell phones.
RESULT: Polls are under-reporting young voter preferences; Obama will win.
P.S. I am voting for McCain.
Posted by: Pudding | September 30, 2008, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm
get real!!! the poles were probably riged. can’t trust these upper class bandits.
Posted by: bill morrison | September 30, 2008, 6:28 pm 6:28 pm
ynot…
they all lie…..get a clue ..
obama…is not the decendent of a slave..so to allot of blacks hes no diffirent from mccain… .if there was someone else besides mccain and the idiot savant palin..hes the lesser of two evils……ditch the sheep mentality ..
Posted by: DJPLATNUM | September 30, 2008, 6:28 pm 6:28 pm
How could people could ever vote for McCain/Palin? You people DO realize that McCain voted with Bush over 90% of the time right???????? WHY would you want 4 more years of that????? What I don’t get is that Bush only has 30% approval, but McCain has over 40%. WHY?????????
Posted by: Hillary voters for McCain are wrong | September 30, 2008, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm
If the INDEPENDENTS give this to Obama, they will be hated by half of the country.
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That’s a badge I would be proud to wear!!
Obama/Biden 08
Posted by: fearforthefuture | September 30, 2008, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm
Missouri Gov. Matt Blunt slams Obama for using unconstitutional police tactics. Gov. Matt Blunt calls Obama IMMATURE. Obama does not want the American people using Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press.
After a thorough investigation, there is no doubt in backing and voting for
Ralph Nader.
http://www.votenader.org/about/
No Way to Obama. McCain is on the back burner. Obama failed our investigation. McCain did somewhat better.
This post is not paid for by any political party.
Posted by: Judge | September 30, 2008, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm
McCain: Too many gaffes….selecting Palin, then hiding her from the press, conveying he REALLY doesn’t have any confidence in her. (So much for his integrity.) Then, all the attack ads that were proven as lies, and falsely denying on “The View” that Palin ever took earmark money. Changing his mind on the economy, twice in the same day, also didn’t help his credibility. And putting Palin in front of foreign leaders for photos, without media interviews, only emphasized her baffling lack of experience in dealing with foreign policy and the campaign’s continued effort to shield her from the press. Also his statement, “the fundamentals of the economy are strong” didn’t resonate well with the public, neither did his statement saying he didn’t know how many houses he has. Obviously, McCain’s instincts and his campaign advisors have been crap!
Posted by: Hillary voters for McCain are wrong | September 30, 2008, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm
I just read about Obama and his citizenship problems. it’s time for Obama to “put up or shut up”. Produce the documents the Federal Judge requested. Stop stalling and get on with the show!
This is not the kind of change you promised!!!!!
I won’t vote for Obama – if he won’t produce his real birth certificate. No
foreigner in my White House!!!!!
http://www.obamacrimes.com
Posted by: BOBCAT in FL | September 30, 2008, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm
Rodney – I have done the same. Went from nothing to something. I was a single mother when I decided to go back to college and I did it on my own. Worked my butt off for my son and I and gave us a better way of life. Could have only done that in America. Now I have two bachelors degrees, good job and great husband and kids. I too say a lot to get people going and I don’t get mad and while I still sit and wonder what people are thinking sometimes, very little surprises me as well. Come what may in November, I still believe I live in the best country on Earth. Land of the Free because of the Brave!!
I’m signing off.
Posted by: R | September 30, 2008, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm
No one has ever called me for my input. I use to do those Zogby on -line polls until Zogby got so bias towards the dems. I could see he was looking for a manufactured outcome. I suspect many do that now.
Posted by: voting for big john | September 30, 2008, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm
Pudding, I agree with you about the land lines. Young voters use cell phones. And I’m glad you are sticking to your convictions and voting for McCain. But I agree. I think Obama will win. I am sick of the “noble lie” of the Republicans. Look up Noble Lie on Wikipedia and follow the links to see what they are really doing to us as a nation.
Posted by: Lee | September 30, 2008, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm
i am having trouble figuring how mccain is closing the gap for months —and he still is behind—am i missing something.
Posted by: rodney | September 30, 2008, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm
I don’t believe that Hillary voters are for McCain I think that story was manufactured by the right to try and draw in women voters.
Posted by: fearforthefuture | September 30, 2008, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm
I’m so tired of hearing that McCain finished at the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy. With the caliber of people they select to attend there, I don’t think it would be unlikely to have someone finish at the bottom of the class with a B average.
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It also helps when your Daddy is an Admiral. McCain grew up with a silver spoon. I’m sure he was “just like the other cadets”.
And in his later years, he dumped his ailing wife for the younger, richer, heiress. Seven houses and thirteen cars now from what I hear.
Of course, “Maverick” isn’t sure how many houses he has.
And they tried to call Obama an “elitist”?
Posted by: Mc Silver Spoon | September 30, 2008, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm
voting for Big John: So let me get this straight: You want 4 more years of Bush policy? You think the country is going in the right direction?????? OMG
Posted by: Hillary voters for McCain are wrong | September 30, 2008, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm
Hey TRUTH, That link is to a website created in August of this year by a Republican.. Phil is trying to scare the citizens and made a false claim which has to be defended. Obama’s paperwork is as legal as McCains. If I were to file a lawsuit claiming McCain is ineligible because he told secrets to the Vietnamese (treason), he would have to come up with proof he did not and go to court and defend it. I can say something, does not make it true because I had a website. COST ME 400.00 bucks and I could put whatever nonsense I wanted on it!! Stupid link IDIOT! HEY maybe I will file suit against McSame. THERE IS TIME. THANKS FOR THE ADVISE.. THAN I CAN BE AN IDIOT JUST LIKE YOU REPUBLICANS!!!!HAHAHAHAH
Posted by: timesuprepubs | September 30, 2008, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm
>>>I just read about Obama and his citizenship problems. it’s time for Obama to “put up or shut up”. Produce the documents the Federal Judge requested. Stop stalling and get on with the show!
Where is this happening at?
Posted by: voting for big john | September 30, 2008, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm
get real!!! the poles were probably riged. can’t trust these upper class bandits.
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And FOX, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, RASMUSSEN, GALLOP, etc ARE ALL RIGGED AS Well
Posted by: The Polls | September 30, 2008, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm
Just a partial list Of Ralph Nader’s accomplishments:
American Antitrust Institute
Appleseed Foundation
Arizona Center for Law in the Public Interest
Aviation Consumer Action Project
Buyers Up
Capitol Hill News Service
Center for Auto Safety
Center for Insurance Research
Center for Justice and Democracy
Center for Science in the Public Interest
Center for Study of Responsive Law
Center for Women Policy Studies
Citizen Action Group
Citizen Advocacy Center
Citizen Utility Boards
Citizen Works
Clean Water Action Project
Congress Project
Congress Watch
Connecticut Citizen Action Group
Corporate Accountability Research Group
Critical Mass Energy Project
Democracy Rising
Disability Rights Center
Equal Justice Foundation
Essential Information
FANS (Fight to Advance the Nation’s Sports)
Foundation for Taxpayers and Consumer Rights
Freedom of Information Clearinghouse
Georgia Legal Watch
Global Trade Watch
Health Research Group
Litigation Group
Multinational Monitor
National Citizen’s Coalition for Nursing Home Reform
National Coalition for Universities in the Public Interest
National Insurance Consumer Organization
Ohio Public Interest Action Group
Organization for Competitive Markets
Pension Rights Center
Princeton Project 55
PROD – truck safety
Public Citizen
Retired Professionals Action Group
Shafeek Nader Trust for the Community Interest
Student Public Interest Research Groups nationwide
Tax Reform Research Group
Telecommunications Research and Action Center
The Visitor’s Center
Trial Lawyers for Public Justice
What are Obama’s accomplishments?
What are John McCain’s accomplishments?
After a thorough investigation, there is no doubt in backing and voting for
Ralph Nader.
http://www.votenader.org/about/
No Way to Obama. McCain is on the back burner. Obama failed our investigation. McCain did somewhat better.
This post is not paid for by any political party.
Posted by: Judge | September 30, 2008, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm
Robert , NOW I KNOW YOU ARE STUPID. READ OBAMA’S PLAN. HE IS NOT RAISING YOUR TAXES UNLESS YOU ARE RICH. SO FOR YOU TO SAY THAT MEANS YOU ARE RICH OR STUPID. I WILL LET YOU DECIDE WHICH ONE! YOU REALLY NEED TO LEARN HOW TO READ AN ECONOMIC PLAN OR ARE YOU ANOTHER CASUALTY OF NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND!!!
OBAMA/BIDEN 08′
Posted by: timesuprepubs | September 30, 2008, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm
Robert: So I guess you watched the debates–and heard that McCain will continue Bush policies. 10 Billion/mth for Iraq and you are complaining about some social programs to help OUR citizens when Iraq has a surplus???? GET REAL
Posted by: Hillary voters for McCain are wrong | September 30, 2008, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm
i walked into a lowes store,and at the entrance they had a life size mummy—very loudly i said to my wife —I THOUGHT IT WAS MCCAIN—-AND THEY REMOVED IT—NO SENSE OF HUMOR I SUSPECT.
Posted by: rodney | September 30, 2008, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm
To be quite honest. The choice this time is pretty bad. We have two very poor candidates. On is young and way too inexperienced.The other disagrees a majority of the time with his party. Both parties got short-changed this time around. It should have been Hillary and Gulliani. Now that would have been interesting!!! Now we’re left with the ‘left overs’.
Niether one has a clue on the economy. Both think that the answer to everything is the government. One thing for sure. No matter who wins, it’s going to be a rough ride. We’re all going to be the loosers ..
Posted by: goof | September 30, 2008, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm
Ed from MA,
Careful…your ignorance is showing. What caused this “mess”, is DEREGULATION. There is a reason for checks, and balances, and oversight. Unfortunately the Republicans, the Bush administration, John McCain, and Phil Grahmm forgot that. Mr. anti-corruption, for all his years in Washington couldn’t forsee that if you removed these regulations, and oversight, unbridled greed would be the result. To now blame homeowners instead of the crooks on wallstreet is so typically Republican. Barney Frank pushed for more home ownership. He did not push for more home ownership in homes that buyers could not afford. Very responsible loans could have been made to low income homeowners, but that wouldn’t have lined the pockets of wallstreet. When you point the finger of blame, make sure it’s pointing in the right direction.
Posted by: randy | September 30, 2008, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm
RAISE YOUR HAND IF…you only have a cell phone. Have you had any pollsters call you? Didn’t think so. The race is over. Sadly, Obama has won.
Posted by: Pudding | September 30, 2008, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm
Vote against William Ayers, Obama and J. Wright.
Posted by: voting for big john | September 30, 2008, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm
Stop trying to say that Obama was not born in the United States. Not trying to disrespect. McCain born in the Canal Zone in Panama. If he was born their, why couldn’t some people argue that he could have been born a few miles away across the boarder. Not trying to say that McCain is disquilfied, he isn’t but if you keep raised the lies, then look at the facts.
Posted by: Smartvoter | September 30, 2008, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm
Gov. Palin, during the debate with has-been Biden, should bring up Obama’s citizenship lawsuit in Federal Court. What a winner this would be. Obama won’t produce his “original” COLB birth certificate.
What does Obama have to hide?
McCain/Palin – they are real Americans!
Posted by: BR549 | September 30, 2008, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm
GOOF
I JUST HOPE THAT THERE IS NO BAILOUT
Posted by: rodney | September 30, 2008, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm
voting for big john,
And loved by the other half. So what’s your point?
Posted by: randy | September 30, 2008, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm
Judge,
I would love to voted for Nader, but I just can’t bring myself to do it, not after 2000. If the Nader folks would have voted for Gore, we would not have gone to war et al…..Sorry, this year we have to throw the bums out
Posted by: fearforthefuture | September 30, 2008, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm
rodney – You’re right. I don’t want to pay for someone elses mistakes.
Posted by: goof | September 30, 2008, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm
Ain’t no way that I would ever vote for Obama/Biden. NO WAY!
Posted by: tom | September 30, 2008, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm
The current administration shredded the Constitution, lied to the American public, started a war under false pretenses, ran a secret government, drove our economy into the ground, cost the US credibilty in the world….and McSame was right there with them 9 out of 10 times.
Obama may be a risk to some people, but we know exactly what we’ll get from McCain/Palin.
That about sums up my decision!
OBAMA 08!
Posted by: Truth Hurts the GOP | September 30, 2008, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm
BR549: So instead of seeing how McCain will in essance, be 4 more years of Bush Bull, you focus on trivial cra@. What a loser you are….
Posted by: Hillary voters for McCain are wrong | September 30, 2008, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm
br549
do you realize that m,ccain who,born in panama–at the time actually could possible not be eligable to run for pres.check it out—it would take a very high person to contest that.
Posted by: rodney | September 30, 2008, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm
the power button on your computer monitor is a camera, people.
Posted by: S.O.L. | September 30, 2008, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm
bobcat; we are all imigrants from other countries. so whats the big deal? after all we got george hitler now.
Posted by: bill morrison | September 30, 2008, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm
Just vote against the radical left. Vote McCain/Palin. Be on the right side. wink wink.
Posted by: tom | September 30, 2008, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm
Democrats In 2004…There Are No Problems At Fannie Mae Or Freddie Mac!
And we’re letting these people fix the problem? Why not let convicts decide their own sentences too?
Posted by: Gargoyle | September 30, 2008, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm
The Sons of Liberty are back. did we ever leave? no.
Posted by: S.O.L. | September 30, 2008, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm
the power button on your computer monitor is a camera, people
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What?
Posted by: fearforthefuture | September 30, 2008, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm
If the Dalai Lama and Barack Obama went door-to-door campaigning, wouldn’t that be “Obama Lama Ding Dong”?
Posted by: Pudding | September 30, 2008, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm
voting for big john,
…No instead I think I’ll vote against deregulation, the Keating five, the Iraq war, voting against the GI bill, privizitation of Social Security, more tax cuts for the wealthy, more tax breaks, and subsidies for big oil, off shore drilling, hypocrisy, unqualified running mates, lies, and propoganda…
Posted by: randy | September 30, 2008, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm
Gov. Palin, during the debate with has-been Biden, should bring up Obama’s citizenship lawsuit in Federal Court. What a winner this would be. Obama won’t produce his “original” COLB birth certificate.
What does Obama have to hide?
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This is so old. Obama’s birth certificate has been posted and authenticated. Catch up with the latest rumor at least.
And Palin would find it hard to ask ANYONE about what they’re hiding…SHE’S the one ignoring subpoenas!
Posted by: Who's hiding something ? | September 30, 2008, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
And Bill Ayers that are talking was a terrorist, but the weather underground that he was a member of an organization that was totally wrong in their means of protesting for what was a good cause( disenfracing of voters from 1968, when their was no anti-war canidate for president because of the assination of RFK). While they were wrong in the means of protesting,they killed no one. If you want to bring that up, then what about operation rescue which bombed abortion clinics and trying to kill a hindi priest who was going to give a prayer at the opening of the session of congress.
Posted by: Smartvoter | September 30, 2008, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
I seen one of the Obama investigators in Alaska found out Gov. Palin accepted some flowers when she became governor of Alaska.
Now, Obama won’t produce his certified copy of a Birth Certificate, a certified copy of his Certificate of Citizenship and his certified copy of the Oath of Allegiance.
Who is now, the candidate of choice?
President McCain & V P Palin: Americans!
Posted by: cindy in Jacksonville | September 30, 2008, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
goof
i have seen this coming 4 to 5 years ago—when people with 25 thousand income were moving into 300 thousand dollar new homes—and people with thousands on credit cards are idiots–as they pay double for what they buy.
and now we are to bail them out –no way no how
Posted by: rodney | September 30, 2008, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm
I am an independent supporting McCain. We don’t know much about Obama. It maybe the biggest risk to side with him. McCain is who he is. No surprises there.
Posted by: tom | September 30, 2008, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm
…No instead I think I’ll vote against deregulation, the Keating five, the Iraq war, voting against the GI bill, privizitation of Social Security, more tax cuts for the wealthy, more tax breaks, and subsidies for big oil, off shore drilling, hypocrisy, unqualified running mates, lies, and propoganda…
So you’re voting for marxism instead?
Posted by: Gargoyle | September 30, 2008, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm
rodney – You can actually be born out of the country and be a US citizen. As long as the parent are under the jurisdiction of the US. For example, US military people are stationed all over the world. If they have a child abroad, they will be born as a US citizen. I’m not familiar with McCain’s circumstances but it could be a similar situation.
Posted by: goof | September 30, 2008, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm
I am voting for the McCain ticket and I am an independent voter.
Posted by: Joan in Florida | September 30, 2008, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm
If the Dalai Lama and Barack Obama went door-to-door campaigning, wouldn’t that be “Obama Lama Ding Dong”?
Hey, thanks, I’ll be here all week. Try the veal and don’t forget to tip your waitress.
Posted by: Pudding | September 30, 2008, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm
Yeah tom, that’s what we are all afraid of. To me he looks like a war mongering head case
Posted by: fearforthefuture | September 30, 2008, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm
Gargoyle,
John McCain a week ago…The US economy is fundamentally strong.
Posted by: randy | September 30, 2008, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm
randy – I’ll vote against higher taxes, socialism, ACORN, Chicago Politics, Ayers, Wright, crooked left that takes the big payments from Fannie/Freddie, hugging the world including Iran and Russia, $95 billion for Third World Debt Relief, $835 billion for World Hunger when we have our own hungry to feed, blah, blah, blah……
Posted by: wanttheelectionover | September 30, 2008, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm
If you want to see Obama’s Birth Certificate that proves he was born in US.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-birth.html
Posted by: Smartvoter | September 30, 2008, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm
rodney – And both candidates are ‘thumbs up’ on the bailout.
Posted by: goof | September 30, 2008, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm
If the Dalai Lama and Barack Obama went door-to-door campaigning, wouldn’t that be “Obama Lama Ding Dong”?
Posted by: Pudding | Sep 30, 2008 10:47:44 PM
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It could be “dumb and dumber”.
Right On…
Posted by: Josh in Atlanta | September 30, 2008, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm
randy – and would you also argue against economists that are also saying the fundamentals of the economy is strong? How about your own candidate copying????
Posted by: wanttheelectionover | September 30, 2008, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm
randy – and would you also argue against economists that are also saying the fundamentals of the economy is strong? How about your own candidate copying????
Posted by: wanttheelectionover | September 30, 2008, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm
randy
Obama yesterday–The long term fundamentals of the economy are strong.
Posted by: Gargoyle | September 30, 2008, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
Pub bloggers are boring. It’s always the same attempts to smear Obama with fiction and accusations. They rarely have anything to say other than:
“Did you know..blah, blah, blah…when is the MSM going to cover THAT?”
or
“Once blah, blah, blah comes out, it’s over for Obama”
Every day, same blathering. Trust me, if you found out about something, every credible media source in America has already heard it and realized it was bunk. You’re really not that smart.
Posted by: Same BS, Different Day | September 30, 2008, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
goof
i think mccain was born shortly before that was inacted —it is no big deal but one of those ify things that dont matter
Posted by: rodney | September 30, 2008, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
Voting for big john so your voting for Charles Keating, Gramm, and Rev I saw the witch doctor Muthee . and calling him big john your a little person then right
Posted by: richardcranium1 | September 30, 2008, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm
the thumbs up is something i do not approve from either.
Posted by: rodney | September 30, 2008, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm
There are so many right wing racists! I AM GOING TO BED WITH THE STATEMENT:
YOU RIGHT WINGERS SPEWING LIES ARE NOTHING BUT RACISTS. GO TO SLEEP AND DREAM OF YOUR WHITE ROBES AND BURNING CROSSES BECAUSE YOU ARE ONE OF THEM. SOME CHRISITIANS- HYPOCRITES!!!!
Posted by: timesuprepubs | September 30, 2008, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm
If the Dalai Lama and Barack Obama went door-to-door campaigning, wouldn’t that be “Obama Lama Ding Dong”?
Hey, thanks, I’ll be here all week. Try the veal and don’t forget to tip your waitress.
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Wow, at least someone still has a sense of humor.
Good stuff mate!
Posted by: The Evil Media People | September 30, 2008, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm
Obama’s church gives little space for Christians and Jews. If you are other than white, the door looks to be closed unless you are a racist.
Follow the links:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/john-stephenson/2008/03/16/obama-s-church-sanitizes-website
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/31079.html
After a thorough investigation, there is no doubt in backing and voting for
Ralph Nader.
http://www.votenader.org/about/
No Way to Obama. McCain has moved to the front burner. Obama failed our investigation. McCain has improved his position..
This post is not paid for by any political party.
Posted by: Judge | September 30, 2008, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
same BS – and you Dems just keep recycling the same old boring talking points. Let’s get into some meat – how is it that Obama and the media blasted Hillary in the primaries on the sniper fire incident and yet Biden gets a free pass for ‘being shot at in Iraq in 2005′?
Posted by: wanttheelectionover | September 30, 2008, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
wantheel
being shot at is ok ==the main thing is that you are not hit
Posted by: rodney | September 30, 2008, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
Now, Obama won’t produce his certified copy of a Birth Certificate, a certified copy of his Certificate of Citizenship and his certified copy of the Oath of Allegiance.
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OK LAST TIME….IF YOU SAY SOMETHING FALSE FIFTY TIMES A DAY, IT’S STILL FALSE
DON’T YOU GUYS EVER USE FACT CHECK?
Posted by: The Evil Media People | September 30, 2008, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
rodney – You’re 100% correct on the McCain birth issue.I stand corrected
Posted by: goof | September 30, 2008, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
>>Rev I saw the witch doctor Muthee
So, you give credit to the fact that Obama’s spiritual advisor did make some effect on Obama’s thinking. I thought so. Good night to all. Don’t forget in all 57 states, sing to your leader before bed.
Posted by: Christie | September 30, 2008, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
Obama will lead as President. Who are you kidding? Ask youself why Kennedy, Kerry and others would back a one term Senator who had 143 days in the senate before he announced his bid for President (instead of Hillery). They knew they would not be able to tell Hillery what to do.
Obama: As I said before. As I said before. As I said before. As I said before. POLLY WANT A CRACKER. After a year and a half, this is getting old. He could at least change it to As I stated before.
Posted by: Dan | September 30, 2008, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm
THANK YOU SMARTVOTER: HERE IS THE LINK AGAIN TO SHUT UP THE PROVEN REPUBLICAN LIES ONCE AGAIN.. NOW SHUT UP AND GO BACK TO ANOTHER LIE. IDIOTS!
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-birth.html
GOOD NIGHT!
Posted by: timesuprepubs | September 30, 2008, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm
Your Poll numbers don’t make sense. By all measures, if McCain is again leading with undecided voters and white women, he should be leading in the National Race. Other Polls released today show Obama leading in every category:
Rasmussen Tracking 51%-45% Obama Lead
Hotline/FD Tracking 48%-46% Obama Lead
GW/Battleground Trking 48%-46%Obama Lead
CBS News/NY Times 48%-43% Obama Lead
RCP Average: 49%-44% Obama Lead
The economy has driven undecided and uncommitted and independent voters into Obama’s camp. What event in the last few days can you attribute to the drift of these voters back to McCain, and how did you measure that in your Poll? You didn’t, it’s a stretch or Fabrication, because you guys want to keep this going for all it’s worth. I can’t wait till after the election is over and Obama wins, because there will be nothing on TV to watch, no polls, no politics, no olympics, no scandels, no gaffs, no reporters opinions or analysis of “the race” it will be boring and wonderful, peaceful and sedate, maybe you can play some old movies or something, which we all sorely miss, because we will all need a break, to relax, to reflect, it’s been a long political season, to long…and I can’t wait for the boring holidays.
Posted by: Richard-Hagerstown Md | September 30, 2008, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm
Rodney – Just to confirm. I’m a member of the NBRA – National Black Republicans Association and yes, the Democratic Party started the KKK. The Republican party signed major civil rights legislation. Dr. Martin Luther King was Republican, Pro-Life and Pro-Family. Barack O’bama is Pro-Choice (Pro-Death and favors infanticide and favors any thing that wants to get married to get married. Marriage is for a man and a woman period. Barack O’bama is a socialist and he will lead our country into one where you cant go to the bathroom without the governments persmission. The democrat controlled cities of Detroit and Philidelphia are a mess and that’s how O’bama will have our country in a BIG mess.
I’m voting for McCain-Palin!
Posted by: DuWayne | September 30, 2008, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm
Oh, some have criticized Factcheck.. I was so surprised.. fool me once, but not again.
Posted by: Christie | September 30, 2008, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm
i only wish mccain would have picked paris hilton——i would not vote for him but i would go to sleep and dream of my car being washed—–oh how sad
goodnight
Posted by: rodney | September 30, 2008, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm
rodney – by Biden’s own admission, he wasn’t shot at – he lied in July 2007 – just like Hillary had and she was blasted all over the place. Why the different treatment? Do you honestly believe the media is unbiased in this election? For those of you arguing ability to run as President – both were reviewed and both were found to be eligible.
Posted by: wanttheelectionover | September 30, 2008, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm
If you want to see Obama’s Birth Certificate that proves he was born in US.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-birth.html
Posted by: Smartvoter | Sep 30, 2008 10:53:16 PM
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*** Not-so-smart voter ***
This is not a “vault copy” of a birth certificate. The federal court requested the vault copy or original of his birth certificate. Obama refused, why?
If Obama can’t produce needed original documents to run for president, he should go back to country of birth.
Read and Learn:
http://www.obamacrimes.com 1.9 million hits, to date!
Natural-Born Anericans only in our White House!
Posted by: martha J. | September 30, 2008, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm
wanttheelectionover What economist are saying the economy is strong ? I have watched TV all the last 5 days and read many newspapers and have not seen one say that from ABC – FNC the WP and WSJ and have not seen one say that and talk about taking payments from Fannie and freddie You do know Mccains Biggest advisor Davis was taking $35,000 a monthfrom them as a lobbist for the last 5 yrs and mccains campaign took in 465,000 from the people who run those co’s Obamas contributions from them have come from the people who WORK there who do you think has more influence the people who run or work there ? he has been seen gambling at Indian casinos that he is the chairman of indian affairs and Oh yeah he has WON BIG several times on the craps table at those very casinos that he wields so much power over !!!!
Posted by: richardcranium1 | September 30, 2008, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm
Look, the inventor of the internet (not Algore) was veep so anyone can do that job. He was shown a portrait of Thomas Jefferson and then ask who is that? Case closed.
Posted by: tom | September 30, 2008, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm
DuWayne – You’ve got a point there. Why is it that the cities and states that are primarily run by Democrats have the highest taxes, worse schools , highest cost of living, high crime rates and atronomical housing and utility prices? Kinda makes you think
Posted by: goof | September 30, 2008, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm
Robert
how do you propose to pay down our debt and rebuild this country, pay for education etc. I make over 250K and I can well afford to pay more in taxes. When the commons are strong so is the nation
Posted by: fearforthefuture | September 30, 2008, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
>>>This is not a “vault copy” of a birth certificate. The federal court requested the vault copy or original of his birth certificate. Obama refused, why?
I agree.
Posted by: tom | September 30, 2008, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm
The real disgraceful truth comes out about Obama. Obama supporters retreat to the same rhetoric of empty misleading statements. A vote for Obama is a vote against the common good of man.
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/barack-obamas-church-ultra-left-and-afrocentric
After a thorough investigation, there is no doubt in backing and voting for
Ralph Nader.
http://www.votenader.org/about/
No Way to Obama. McCain has moved to the front burner. Obama failed our investigation. McCain has improved his position..
This post is not paid for by any political party.
Posted by: Judge | September 30, 2008, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm
would someone on capital hill tell bush to SHUT UP?
Posted by: earthisnotflat | September 30, 2008, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm
would someone on capital hill tell bush to SHUT UP?
Posted by: earthisnotflat | September 30, 2008, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm
richard – two yesterday when I happened to be home sick – they also, like most economists, will state the the fundamentals are the working people and small business – we are still strong. RE: Davis – and he has not been on the payroll of the company since joining McCain’s campaign. The $465k – and where did you get that one? Obama’s are not just from employees that work there – he was accepting money from the top dogs before running for Pres – ah, that’s right, he just steals the taxpayers money for his Senate salary and runs a campaign most of the time. And do you play powerball? Do scratchoffs? Go to Vegas?
Posted by: wanttheelectionover | September 30, 2008, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm
If Obama won’t produce the court ordered documents, he lost my vote.
Why the cover-up?
Google: Berg v. Obama, No. 08-cv-04083
Enough said…
Posted by: Akitisha | September 30, 2008, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm
if us american wants tobe respected the way that we once were vote for obama, but if we want the french and russia to keep on laughing at us vote mcshame then. i’m joshua and i approve this message
Posted by: joshua duran | September 30, 2008, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm
Randy I think you have some of your facts wrong about the deregulation piece. The Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999, the most sweeping banking deregulation bill in American history, was put through under Clinton’s watch and with the support of 255 Republicans and 195 Democrats. It had bipartisan support. The Community Reinvestment Act (whose intent was to provide opportunities for those historically shut out of the American Dream) was a piece of it and in fact no mergers could happen if the financial institutions in question has less then satisfactory ratings in regards to the CRA. The financial industry contributed
$86 billion to both parties in Congress between 1996-1999 in hopes of getting such a bill put forth. Back then it was the Republicans who got more from the financial industry but this year the Democrats have the dubious distinction of getting more from Wall Street, Obama gets more then McCain does. Almost everyone on our banking and finance committees gets money from the financial institutions implicated in this mess. Christopher Dodd getting the most. People like Pelosi and others have personal investments in places like AIG. There was a bill put forth in 2005 , once it became apparent problems were brewing with Fannie and Freddie, which the Repubs tried to push through but the Dems opposed which asked for more regulatory oversight of both Freddie and Fannie. We have since bailed them out in what could cost us trillions. This is a mess created by both parties and we are entrusting the same people who were bought and sold by these corporations and the politicians
who are financed by them , to fix it.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 30, 2008, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm
ok all you left wing nuts when are you waking up that when Obama becomes president you thought the economy is bad now, wait and see what will happen ,he will raise your taxes on everything including payroll taxes !!!
he said he will nor raise taxes on 95 % of the people but 40 % of the people don’t pay taxes. He will redistribute the income
HE is a SOCIALIST
Everybody will be a lot worst off
You all will be sorry
Think about how they screwed up Fanny & Freddy may
The democrats did that
They killed a bill in 2003 that would have a lot more over site but no they wanted more money for Dodd and Obama
I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR A THIEF Look at his close friends: Ayers , reverend Wright etc
Yes I am one that clings to my gun and religion
NEVER OBAMA
ALWAYS McCain/Palin
Posted by: ms | September 30, 2008, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm
Wow Martha J, you acually belive these lyes has been disproven time and time again. Have an open mind. I was undecided until I took a road trip across america and saw what we need. Go see South Central La and then go to Beverley hills and think how is it possible that our countries poorest and richest neighborhoods are 3 miles away from each other. While I belive that in America, hard work will bring sucess, for those who don’t have those oppurtunity, we should try and give them the oppunity to live the American Dream.
Posted by: Smartvoter | September 30, 2008, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm
joshua – I’m glad you think we need to have other countries’ approval – there are many that don’t think so. I first need our country to take care of us and NOT pander to the wants of other countries. Should we also be friends with Iran, Venezuela, etc?
Posted by: wanttheelectionover | September 30, 2008, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm
richard You can go on all you like about McCain and lobbyists and his corporate funders but the same applies to Obama. It’s a wash. In fact Obama has gotten more money from Wall Street then McCain in part because Wall Street assumed the Dems will win this election and also in part that McCain is on the bottom rung of business-friendly Republicans. McCain has shown he is more then willing to bite the hand that feeds him in the past so he didn’t even pull in as much money as Romney and Guliani in the primaries. These two are both corporate candidates and if you were so worried about it then you should have been very disappointed in Obama’s decision to not take public financing where the intent is to minimize the influence of special interests upon the candidates.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 30, 2008, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm
Why do people think McCain will make a good Commander-in-Chief? Just because he was in the Navy. He graduated at the bottom of his class. And, in his +20 years in the Navy, he was never given a command position, which is why he never made Admiral like his father and grandfather. If the Navy didn’t think he could command/lead, why would I want him as Commander-in-Chief?
Posted by: former army brat | September 30, 2008, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm
Hey fearforthefuture- there’s no law that says you can’t pay more in taxes than you are required to pay. So if you think you’re not paying your fair share you can pay more. But I would guess you did that last year right? That goes for any liberal that thinks we are under taxed. Be an example and kick some extra bucks into the ‘kittie’. It’s legal !!!
Obama says if he wins he’ll only raise taxes on the ‘rich’. But once he takes office and finds out that he still won’t have enough for his proposed programs he’l start pulling that ‘rich’ line down from the $250k level. Besides have you ever known a politician that has kept his word on every promise?
Posted by: goof | September 30, 2008, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm
former – he left the Navy to go into public life. His life has been about service to his country, both militarily and publicly. He has bucked his own party and taken unpopular stances. What has Obama done? I submit, nothing of substance. Not saying that he couldn’t make a good Pres some day, just not at this juncture in time. We need someone who is involved all the time and not just saying ‘Give me a call’.
Posted by: wanttheelectionover | September 30, 2008, 7:21 pm 7:21 pm
Sorry, but I cannot feel comfortable until Obama-Biden have an 18% lead across the national polls the day before November 4th General Elections.
Then I can exhale!
GOD Bless America!
GOD Bless the Obama-Biden Leadership!
Posted by: Perusing-Through | September 30, 2008, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm
ABCnews, NBCnews, CBSnews and FOXnews, time to address your profession in the media and “grow a pair” and do in-depth story on Obama and the DNC’s lawsuit against them, regarding the non-citizenship of Obama. The Federal Court has accepted the lawsuit, which accused Obama and the DNC of fraud. The real (vault) birth certificate was discovered in Mombassa, Kenya. There is proof that Obama was a citizen of Kenya and Indonesia and therefore, lost his U S Citizenship.
Time to act like a credible news agency. !
Posted by: Let the Truth be Known! | September 30, 2008, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm
Hey goof,
I did pay more in the form of “gifts” to many charitable organizations. I do walk the walk. I received a public education, did you? I am giving back to the community that gave me an opportunity to succeed, do you? I volunteer many hours because I love my country and I feel all rich/poor deserve a chance to succeed, do you?
To me thats what being an American is.
I will gladly pay my taxes to keep America strong
Posted by: fearforthefuture | September 30, 2008, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm
Actually Mack,
Since it is mostly the same people voting for McCain as voted for Bush, it is more accurate to say that dumb people voted for Bush and dumber people (those who think that you get change by doing the same thing) will vote for McCain.
Posted by: Dee Dee Lynn | September 30, 2008, 7:27 pm 7:27 pm
From the comments at Hotair.com
A new check mark today!
* Speeches in stadiums filled with mesmerized, adoring audiences – Check
* An uninspiring background before meteoric rise – Check
* Creates his own new symbols of power – Check
* Associates with racists, hatemongers and violent radicals – Check
* A propaganda machine willing to show him only in the best possible light – Check
* Uses, “glorious leader” style Agitprop posters common in totalitarian nations – Check (see German campaign poster for example)
* Wants Secret Police force – Check
* Somebody powerful people think they can control – Check
* Often dismissed as a light-weight by his opponents – Check
* Seeks to replace God with the State – Check
* People adopting his name as their own – Check
* Inspires adoration art – Check
* Appropriates symbols of past German glory – Check
* Never plans on giving up power – Check (Obama to be president for the next “eight to 10 years”)
* A narcissistic megalomaniac – Check
* Brazenly Takes credit for other people’s accomplishments – Check
* Wants to build “youth” movement through Universal National State service – Check
* Acts as if in power before he is – Check
* Some followers believe him to be divine – Check
* Worshiped and aided greatly by the media – Check
* Has his own salute – Check
* Has thuggish supporters intimdating political opponents – Check
* Using the power of the State to silence critics – Check
* Songs written to glorify him performed by children – Check
Posted by: yoga82 | September 30, 2008, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm
Dee Dee – you couldn’t be more wrong. Just because someone CHOOSES to vote for McCain, they voted for Bush? Grow up. I have voted both parties for 28 years, even within the same election. I choose based on who I feel is the best candidate.
Posted by: wanttheelectionover | September 30, 2008, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm
yoga – does it remind you of China? North Korea? That song thing is just eerie.
Posted by: wanttheelectionover | September 30, 2008, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm
Once there was a class of average 9th grade students who were
expected in the usual manner of things to read and benefit from
Orwell’s
Animal Farm.
When they got to the part about ” From each according to his
ability, to each according to his need,” most of the kids were
still awake, but they were pretty sanguine about it. After all,
those who had lots of money should help those who didn’t, right?
And how much “lots” was could be interpreted in different ways, ya
know?.
“Hmmm,” thought The Teacher. “I don’t think they quite get
it. ”
The next day, with a little help from the principal, the
Teacher passed out an “official” letter explaining a new
grade-sharing policy. Under the new policy,
1. No student would be allowed to keep a grade higher than C.
2. Extra points would be distributed to those with the lowest
grades–those who needed it most–regardless of whether it was
through laziness, poor skills, or mental handicap.
3. Honor students were expected to continue doing “A” level
work and plenty of extra credit in order to provide “surplus”
points for those who did not have enough to make a C. They should
do this without complaint, as notice would be taken of attitude and
comportment.
The result?
A near
riot.
The Teacher had to bodily block the door to keep the students
from rushing to call Mom and the media.
Once the yelling had subsided enough for The Teacher to get a
word in edgewise, she asked to see hands of the students who were
happy about the changes.
No surprise, it was the ones who couldn’t be bothered to do
what they needed to.
They were grinning uncontrollably, eyes aglow, cheeks
literally flushed with delight to be the beneficiary of such a
progressive policy.
The kids who were red-faced with hysteria were those who
suddenly realized that doing the hard thing–doing the
right thing-was about to bite them in the behind. Hard.
(Interestingly, those who were hardworking but perhaps not
“A” students were just as outraged as the A+ kids. They only wanted
what they had themselves actually earned. The Teacher thought this
made them Honor Students in the literal sense of the word.)
When those who worked hard and actually did the best they
could looked around at the faces of the kids who had their hands
up, The Teacher literally saw the understanding
blooming in their expressions.
Ah. they thought to themselves.
So THAT’s how it is.
+—————————+Bingo.——————————
If you’re one of the handful who didn’t buy into the lie of
pseudo affluence propped up by credit cards and easy mortgages and
home equity bleedouts….
congratulations.
Your hard work and earnest living has landed you now squarely
in the sights of both the Wall Street thieves and those who +say
t+hey represent Main Street.
You know who I’m talking about… the high-rolling cheaters
on one end who have little compunction about taking anything they
can get by any means possible. Big business as usual, golden
parachute from a crashing plane, that sort of thing. And their
politician friends from both parties who prop them up.
“Bail us out,” they cry. “OR ELSE. You know you won’t be able
to borrow money you cannot possibly afford to pay back to buy stuff
you don’t actually need if you don’t get us out of this one little
jam. You can trust us, we promise.”
And look out then for those on the other end, too.
Those who didn’t study up on how to read a contract, how to
think for themselves, how to say no to their whims more often than
not, how to detect and to admit a self-serving lie. These are the
ones who failed to accept the meaning of the word “adjustable, ”
who have lived without self-control, never learning the old saying
” There’s no such thing as a free lunch” and “If it’s too good to
be true, it probably isn’t.” Now they clamor for a bailout from the
chaos brought by those twin devils of Advertising and Easy Money,
who just
made them do it.
“Bail US out,” they cry, “so we can pay off the too-expensive
house we never should’ve bought. Pay off OUR credit cards so we can
easily have all the stuff you were too prudent steal from your home
equity to buy yourselves. Who do you think you are, saving for your
futures when WE barely have enough Bling for today? SOMEbody’s just
gotta be made to pay for ME.”
(And just for fun, there’s a self-righteous third camp, on
the defensive. They don’t necessarily want your money, they just
feel good pontificating, “Are you trying to make these poor lambs
look bad just because they’ve been abjectly stupid? You mustn’t
gloat. Just open your pockets and close your mouth.
Thankyouverymuch.” But talking about
that bunch is for some other post.)
The way both these camps have been living, I guess they
always knew they could count on YOU to provide.
The savings and that equity you’ve been squirreling away
against the inevitable future and a possible rainy day?
All they mean is that you’ll be left to fend for yourself
when somebody comes up with a plan to save the hides of the thieves
on both Wall Street and “Main Street.”
Welcome to the farm, American style.
Posted by: DJPLATNUM | Sep 30, 2008 9:14:17 PM
WELL SAID DJPLATNUM!
Posted by: lilij | September 30, 2008, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm
THE STOCK MARKET TROUBLE’S ARE A DIRECT RESULT OF BUSH AND THE EXTREME RIGHT WING REPUB’S YEAR’S OF FAILED POLICIES AND POOR AGENDA. IF YOU REPUB’S WANT THE REST OF THE COUNTRY TO COME CRASHING DOWN, AND PUT US ALL IN THE POOR HOUSE, JUST KEEP VOTING FOR YOUR DUMB CANDIDATE’S, AND YOUR BACKWARD’S PARTY!!!
Posted by: James L. | September 30, 2008, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm
Are people really that stupid to believe that either of these candidate’s will have alot of options when they get into office? In the past months we have bailed out Bear Stearns,Freddie and Fannie, AIG and now this. We’re borrowing money from other Countries or going to have to print more money to pay up. We have Social Security and Medicare going bust with the baby boomers moving into those programs in the near future. If we bring everyone home from Iraq (and both candidate’s still plan to wage George W’s war on terror in Afghanistan) and Afghanistan our finances in this Country would still be in the dumpster with the deficits we’re carrying. And people really believe we’ll see Universal Health Care or any of the social programs the Dems have promised in the same old rhetoric they’ve put forth for decades and not delivered on?
It was under a Dem we saw our most sweeping welfare reform. People really believe we’ll get tax cuts or pay less in taxes? On a State and local level they will be hurting even more then they do now and you don’t think you’ll be paying a price for that? There is
limited options and we have two candidates- one who has never once shown political courage (Obama) and another who has (McCain) but who seems to have left it at the door somewhere.
If either of these two were more about the people then their Wall Street contributors and had any political courage whatsoever they would be rethinking this bailout and come up with something better.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 30, 2008, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm
Dee Dee That was one of the dumbest statements I’ve seen on these blogs.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 30, 2008, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm
Another GREAT Comment!
Obama, ACORN, and Fannie Mae: What exactly does a “community organizer” do? Barack Obama’s rise has left many Americans asking themselves that question. Here’s a big part of the answer: Community organizers intimidate banks into making high-risk loans to customers with poor credit (Source: Stanley Kurtz, The National Review).
What if Barack Obama’s most important radical connection has been hiding in plain sight all along? Obama has had an intimate and long-term association with the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), the largest radical group in America. If I told you Obama had close ties with MoveOn.org or Code Pink, you’d know what I was talking about. ACORN is at least as radical as these better-known groups, arguably more so. Yet because ACORN works locally, in carefully selected urban areas, its national profile is lower. ACORN likes it that way. And so, I’d wager, does Barack Obama.
In the name of fairness to minorities, community organizers occupy private offices, chant inside bank lobbies, and confront executives at their homes – and thereby force financial institutions to direct hundreds of millions of dollars in mortgages to low-credit customers.
In other words, community organizers help to undermine the US economy by pushing the banking system into a sinkhole of bad loans. And Obama has spent years training and funding the organizers who do it. Read the shocking details…
Read the $700 Billion Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 bill currently in Congress.
Find out why Democrats led by Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are impeding Republican efforts to investigate Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. Even Bill Clinton blames the democrats for obstructing efforts to investigate these corrupt institutions and their executives who stole tens of millions of taxpayer dollars.
In 2005, Sen. McCain co-sponsored a bill to tighten control of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. The bill was opposed primarily by House Democrats led by Rep. Frank Barney who wanted little control or oversight of these financial giants. Read the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005 that was co-sponsored by Sen. McCain and rejected by House Democrats.
http://www. obamaunveiled. com
Posted by: Hussein_Islam_Obama | Sep 30, 2008 8:45:50 PM
Posted by: lilij | September 30, 2008, 7:37 pm 7:37 pm
lilij – PERFECT – Explains it well.
Posted by: wanttheelectionover | September 30, 2008, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm
I’m voting for the candidate who is more moderate and who represents values that many American care about. McCain will be taking care of people at home, and not sending money to the UN like his opponent. McCain has good advisors and his opponents’ adviosrs are questionable to say the least. McCain/Palin will bring the change we need. I know alot of people voted Bush because they hated the Clinton debacle, but it would be even worse to vote DNC because of Bush. We finally have someone who is more moderate and has proven abilities to get the job done and provide leadership. McCain/Palin 2008
Posted by: Tonya | September 30, 2008, 7:44 pm 7:44 pm
The following are Obama’s words as he stands before a church congregation.
There is no mention of whites or Jews.
1. Commitment to the Black Community
2. Commitment to the Black Family
3. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
4. Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middle classness”
5. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
6. Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
7. Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System.
8. A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
9. A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICANPEOPLE IN DIASPORA.
10. A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
11. A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
12. A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.
Obama does not sound like a president for all the people.
A vote for Obama is a vote against the common good of man. The original Obama’s church web site cannot be found. The truth must be too much for Obama..
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/barack-obamas-church-ultra-left-and-afrocentric
After a thorough investigation, there is no doubt in backing and voting for
Ralph Nader.
http://www.votenader.org/about/
No Way to Obama. McCain has moved to the front burner. Obama failed our investigation. McCain has improved his position..
This post is not paid for by any political party.
Posted by: Judge | September 30, 2008, 7:45 pm 7:45 pm
Tonya, how did you come to the conclusion that McCain is moderate?
His foreign policy is the same, economic policy basically the same as bush and since he is against raising taxes on the corporate elite, will not be making any domestic strides in education, health care, veterans
Posted by: fearforthefuture | September 30, 2008, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm
Why don’t we ask the central question? Are you better off now than 8 years ago? Do you want to continue with the failed policies of the Bush administration and have the SAME republicans in charge? McCain the Maverick = McCain the Bush sequel. Do you want to entrust our national security to a guy who does not believe in diplomacy first but believes in using force even when it isn’t needed or helpful? Do you believe that we should continue with the war? Do you want to have an even large National Debt? The Dollar is falling against all other currencies and do we still think that the country is on the right path? Bush Sequel is no solution. Get some new people in the government who can inspire new hope in our nation and restore the faith that we used to have in our leaders. When a road is leading you to the wrong destination, the best thing to do is to turn around and take a different path. Just blindly going on the same path just because you are too arrogant to admit it, is NO solution.
Posted by: faithncountry | September 30, 2008, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm
McCain slapped every intelligent woman in the face when he picked Palin. It was the GOP’s way of saying, “Women don’t need to be smart to get ahead. They only need to be pretty.” My girlfriends and I are all middle class working moms, and we’re all voting for Obama.
Posted by: Ingrid | September 30, 2008, 7:52 pm 7:52 pm
A republican president in office during bad times spell disaster for the republican trying to replace him. So long grandpa McCain you and Palin can go to her place and have some moose stew and sit on her deck and look at Russia.
Posted by: jg5012 | September 30, 2008, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm
It just dawned on me. Have you noticed that Obama has documented associations with radical/crooked bussiness ‘partners’, racist comments/views in his self written book, his self-admitted history of drug abuse, shady dealings … And the worse thing anybody can say about McCain is that he is part of a party that is not very popular now? When the truth is ,he is not very well liked in his own party cause time after time he has sided and voted with the Dems.
One candidate has flawed character issues, a shady past, racists views, lack of experience … The other is at worse … part of an unpopular party.
Yet some are willig to overlook this shady politician only becuase he is young and is cleverly using the key words (Hope …Change) when his past clearly details that he is at best a very typical Chicago style politician.
Proves my point. That the typical Obama supporter is either a dye-in-the-wool Democrat that is unwilling to vote any other way or very young (under 30 yrs old) who is limited by the lack of life experience with a very limited knowledge of history. Cause clearly no one else could possibly suport such a flawed individual. Anyone who has been around saw the same thing years ago when a young charismatic Fidel Castro took control of a tiny country promising much the same thing as Obabma. He too was young , articulate, well spoken and charismatic.
McCain is no dream either but at least we know what he is … at worse , a very liberal RINO.
Posted by: goof | Sep 30, 2008 10:21:28 PM
McCain ALL THE WAY!
Posted by: lilij | September 30, 2008, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm
Well, ABC deleted it the first time, so check out “singforchange(dot)com” if you want to see why Obama is a cult. By the way, the video was produced by Jeff Zucker of NBC Universal.
Posted by: thedoctor | September 30, 2008, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm
Ingrid – I and my daughters are voting McCain/Palin because we want a TRUE leader. I am a working mother, grandmother, one daughter is a working mother and the other is a college student. My one daughter’s husband – a union guy – and most of their friends are also voting McCain. There was no slap in the face – sounds like bitterness that Hillary isn’t in there. At this point, she would have been the better choice for the Dems – and I don’t even like her.
Posted by: wanttheelectionover | September 30, 2008, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm
lilij
why do you copy and paste someone else’s post? where is your voice
Posted by: fearforthefuture | September 30, 2008, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm
lilij
why do you copy and paste someone else’s post? where is your voice
Posted by: fearforthefuture | September 30, 2008, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm
lilij
why do you copy and paste someone else’s post? where is your voice
Posted by: fearforthefuture | September 30, 2008, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm
fear – sometimes people just like other people’s posts because it says EXACTLY what they want to say – lilij at least leaves the original poster’s name on it.
Posted by: wanttheelectionover | September 30, 2008, 8:02 pm 8:02 pm
Obama, you need to attack McCain a little more. And instead of saying McCain is Right, say we both agree on the same thing. That was such a stupid move from Obama.
Posted by: wade | September 30, 2008, 8:05 pm 8:05 pm
thedoctor – and they are indoctrinating the children…………
Posted by: wanttheelectionover | September 30, 2008, 8:05 pm 8:05 pm
It’s time for all of you to buy me a new house, new car, HDTV and video game system and lots of beer. Screw this freedom and liberty thing, I want to sit back and do nothing and watch all of the rest of you work your butt off to pleasure me! Bring on the socialism NOW!!
Obama gets my vote, he’s as good as promised it to me!
Posted by: AlfieAlf | September 30, 2008, 8:07 pm 8:07 pm
This is who some of you want for President – the mixed-up dude? First McCain said he was going to suspend his campaign, he didn’t. Then he said he would not go to the debate if a bailout bill was not competed, he did. Then he said he would be an active participant in getting a bailout bill passes, he wasn’t. He was in Washington but used the phone to contact Congress members, and then criticized Senator Obama for doing the same thing forgetting to mention, of course, that Senator Obama had been in contact with Paulson and members of Congress for two weeks before – McCain needed some stunt to raise his visibly because his poll numbers were in the tank. I think it is hilarious that McCain said he was the leader in the getting the bailout bill passed, it didn’t. He was so “actively” trying to get the bailout bill passed that he took Saturday night off to have dinner with the Liebermans, but up on Capitol Hill the House Republicans, the Democrats, and Secretary Paulson were eating pizza out of boxes in the Speaker’s office negotiating until 1:00 in the morning. And now that the bill has failed, the Republicans are blaming the Jewish members of Congress for the failure of the bailout bill because they wanted to get home for a Jewish holiday. And the Republican congresswoman from MN is blaming Blacks and minorities for the bank and market meltdown. It sounds like McCain’s representatives are channeling Lewis Carroll, dragging us all down that rabbit hole….
Posted by: sandy | September 30, 2008, 8:10 pm 8:10 pm
Fear for the Future, I actually read each and every post. Sometimes someone says it. I don’t need to. Once said well, why try to say it better?
LILIJ
Posted by: lilij | September 30, 2008, 8:13 pm 8:13 pm
R – er?
did you write this earlier?
“How about give some credible reasons to vote for your candidate rather then just saying those who don’t are stupid. You are not helping any cause by showing that you are not able to create an intelligent argument for your candidate. You just say something an uneducated person who knows no facts says. Its just so unproductive.”
And then did you write this too?
“If the world could vote they would pick Obama doesn’t do much for me. Since a lot of people in the world would like to see our country destroyed. Al Queda being the main one of them. I’m sure they would vote to have whoever is going to make it easy for them to attack us again get elected into office.”
Really?
THE REST OF THE WORLD equates al-Qaeda in your, er? credible and intelligent-argument universe? REALLY?!?
Posted by: TD | September 30, 2008, 8:16 pm 8:16 pm
sandy – and why did he first go back to DC? Because REID contacted HIM (ah, not Obama) as he felt McCain was needed to help broker the deal. Then REID turns and says he’s a problem? That’s partisan politics at it’s finest. Where was Obama Friday morning while McCain was making calls – working out and waiting for the phone call. At least McCain takes the chance (meaning leader) to try to do what is right for the country – not sit on the sidelines and expect everyone to anoint him. Regarding your Obama was on the phone with Paulson and Congress – so was McCain – so what is your point? McCain came out on that Wed when the request for the bill first came out and said it had to have transparency, CEO caps, not hurt the taxpayer. Obama waited for five days before saying anything constructive and parroted the same stuff.
Posted by: wanttheelectionover | September 30, 2008, 8:20 pm 8:20 pm
These wild swings in these polls make them suspicious. Not sure we can take much from this poll.
Posted by: dem in chicago | September 30, 2008, 8:24 pm 8:24 pm
I’m going to get sick… These people who don’t have trust in Palin – a Governor. But blindly have trust in Obama who has never been in charge of anyone. You can be a fast talker without any substance. I think she is pretty sharp – much better that Hillary. Most Americans are stupid anyway….
Posted by: kcell | September 30, 2008, 8:24 pm 8:24 pm
Judge – your investigative methods, sample-sizes, data-spectra, etc. are soooooooo impressive, no?!!
In case you missed it, that was a sarcasm-missile whistling over your head :)
Here’s the howler though: “This post is not paid for by any political party.”
Of course it wasn’t; even a faltering Republican party is not THAT desperate!
Posted by: TD | September 30, 2008, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm
dem in chi – precisely the point – polls are a snapshot in time of a very select few. The makeup of that poll – dems-repubs-indep – determine the outcome of the poll. I have read through a large number of polls through this election season that have Obama in the lead, yet the higher percentage of those polled say they are democrats. Key points for polls – make sure that they are evenly weighted and that are polling likely voters, not registered voters. Likely voters are those that have a voting record. I really don’t hold much stock in polls – but they’re interesting to read through.
Posted by: wanttheelectionover | September 30, 2008, 8:29 pm 8:29 pm
wanttheelectionover – you realy do fall for the Rush Limbaugh sideshow – eh? Obama was working behind the scenes for TWO weeks BEFORE McCain made any kind of move – and then McCain pulls a grandstand play that backfired on him so badly it is a wonder McCain can still stand up? And Reid called McCain to come into Washington to work on the bill? Another Rush line? And today Senator Obama proposed rasing the insured loans for people money have in the bank – and guess who piles on to another Senator Obama proposal – well, McCain, of course. McCain’s campaign staff is inendated with lobbyists who took money from Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac, flip-flopped all week on the “economy still being fundamentally sound, “his VP candidate is on the cover of the National Enquirer with headlines about her affair with a married man, the ongoing Troopergate investigation, Palin debuting her fantastic interview with Couric that bombed, Palin hiding from the press, and sitting in an Irish bar while Senator Biden was appearing on every major outlet after the debate supporting his running mate. McCain’s Straight Talk Express has morphed into the Straight Mess Express.
Posted by: sandy | September 30, 2008, 8:30 pm 8:30 pm
TD – what are you talking about? Judge’s post regarding Obama’s church? It was out there on the web for everyone to read before it was taken down. Wouldn’t want to show Obama for what he really is.
Posted by: wanttheelectionover | September 30, 2008, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm
There was a post,however, couldn’t find it going back. The person had said they had traveled across America and noticed how Beverly Hills was rich and 3 miles away San Diego was poor. They felt all needed to have a chance for the American Dream
I agree with you much. However, I grew up in NYC. The bad neighborhood was the very next street! My street, blacks, whites, Europeans, Hispanics (both Mexican and Puerto Rican) played, were friends. Everyone on our street knew you did not go over to the very next street unless you had a death wish. It was that delineated. My street was LESS than middle class, but there was a mutual feeling of respect and support for each other.
While living in AZ, it is actually dangerous to go for hikes in the southern mountains (it is posted) due to illegals and drug cartel police coming through. There have been many border closures in the past year or two due to the high level of violence in these border towns due to the drug and gang lords trying. Several news stories are out there about towns being endangered by the violence that is just a mile or less south of their town.
Currently I teach at a high school. 60% of the student body have ankle monitors. Another 10% or so have parole officers and are on probation. 35% of the student body deals drugs and of course you have the drug users in there too. Seems 80% of the students get high.
We have discussions about why they need to get an education. Their response…F— NO! Us Americans need to learn spanish. They don’t need an education because they make a h— lot more money doing what they’re doing.They have their gangs, they make their money, they know how to mess with their ankle monitors, etc, tyo keep playing the game.
The point? Unless you spend some time in the middle of it, actually get in there and live with it, don’t assume everyone wants the American dream. There is a number of people who would just as soon blow the American Dream into oblivion!
What is REALLY SCARY?? 95% of these students who are registered voters are voting for Obama! They know he’ll uphold their rights.
Posted by: lilij | September 30, 2008, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm
Obama was out campaigning at carnivals when McCain was in Washington. Call me if you need me..Yea right. And he doesn’t even salute the flag. Go ahead and vote for this bag of wind. One more thing as we talk about poles. Congress has a lower rating than Pres Bush. Why in the hell they let all these poor people have loans when they don’t have the money to pay them back is beyond me…
Posted by: kcell | September 30, 2008, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm
Again, if America votes Obama into the White House, we become the nation of PINHEADS …
For only a nation of PINHEADS will vote someone like Obama as their President … a man with so many questionable associations with people like Ayers, Rev. Wright, Acorn and the list goes on …
A man who does not have any merit or achievement of his own to stand on, that he has to use styrofoam Greek Pillars to create a false image of grandeur should scare every hard-working and sound minded American. A man comfortable in himself and who he really is will not need styrofoam pillars or anything else to create a sense of “importance” or “relevance”
Any sound-minded American will understand that service comes before privilege …
Any sound minded individual will understand that despite our economic troubles, Obama is NOT THE ANSWER … and that this country cannot be put into the hands of Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid … Remember that Dodd, Obama and Kerry are the 3 top recipients of contributions from Fannie.All 3 are Democrats …
Remember that Obama are close associates of all those in the management of Fannie and Freddie …
Any thinking American will understand that Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid cannot have full rein over what happens the next 4 years …
I would rather take my chance with a President Palin than Obama … At least in Palin, we have a common sense, hardworking, pragmatic Governor who has governed a state with a 80% approval rating …
What has this man named Obama done?
Wrote 2 memoirs for personal gain does not qualify for the Presidency of the United States.
Now America, I want to believe there are enough of us, Republicans, Democrats or Independents, who will come out and put sensibility into this election … and save ourselves
I do not know who these pollsters are polling … I have not ever being polled … In my office I have yet to find someone who supports Obama …
Why? Cause hardworking, pragmatic, common sense Americans can see the real Obama … and can understand all the above
Posted by: NoObama08 | September 30, 2008, 8:36 pm 8:36 pm
wanttheelectionover – By posting repeatedly here, you’ve convinced me, at least, that you can read. Now, I’m going to ask you to do something really scary… THINK! Oh, also re-read my post along with what the good Judge put out!
Posted by: TD | September 30, 2008, 8:38 pm 8:38 pm
I have allot of problems with Obama…1. he won’t salute the flag. 2. Rev Right – he grew up on that crap and on drugs. 3. No experience. 4. Talks a good game but no history to back it up except voting present. Now McCain isn’t perfect – but his strengths far outweigh Obama. Want another opinion..Look at what Biden and Hilary said about Obama during the campaign.
Posted by: kcell | September 30, 2008, 8:38 pm 8:38 pm
PS: Another great one!
I’m going to get sick… These people who don’t have trust in Palin – a Governor. But blindly have trust in Obama who has never been in charge of anyone. You can be a fast talker without any substance. I think she is pretty sharp – much better that Hillary. Most Americans are stupid anyway….
Posted by: kcell | Oct 1, 2008 12:24:41 AM
Although I wouldn’t say most Americans are stupid. Many are ignorant, many don’t read, many are greedy and want for themselves, many are into special interests, etc, etc,
Posted by: lilij | September 30, 2008, 8:38 pm 8:38 pm
sandy – I don’t pay attention to Rush and don’t like him -so you comments are moot. You need to do your research and actually read the news – Reid in fact called McCain to ask him to help broker the deal. As far as raising the limit – they were both on the networks this morning asking for the increase – they do talk, you know, because this needs to get figured out. Biden’s son is a lobbyist, hmmmm. Dodd, Frank, Obama are all great receivers of funds from Freddie/Fannie and are at the top of the list. Frank was even in bed – literally – with the head of Freddie. Conflict of interest? The economy is fundamentally strong – there have been economists saying it as well – the fundamentals are you, me and the rest of the hard working Americans out there. The fact that you read the National Enquirer is very telling – do you read the Sun, too? – you need to actually get out there and read some quality publications.
Posted by: wanttheelectionover | September 30, 2008, 8:38 pm 8:38 pm
Obama has every qualification that is required to be a great president. He was at the top of his class at Harvard, President of the Harvard Law Review. He worked within his community with real Americans as do many other Americans in this country who work in their communities. Senator Obama was elected a State Senator and US Senator. He is a devoted husband and father.Obama is extremely intelligent, thoughtful, patient and even tempered. He is multi-cultural and inspiring at home and abroad. He will make prudent and practical decisions not driven by ideology or political expediency. He has no history of irresponsibility or immoral behavior.
How in the world can you even think of comparing Bush or McCain to Obama? They are both fools. Both did poorly in school. Both have questionable military service, much more questionable than that of John Kerry. Both have a history of irresponsible and immoral behavior. Bush with drugs and alcohol and his failures in business, McCain cheating on his wife, promiscuity and ethics violation in the Keating Savings and Loan scandal.
Yet, you Republicans, comprised of a lot of folks who are just scraping by, will continue to vote away your economic interest, because their allegiance to ‘whiteness’ is stronger than your will to confront the reality that you have nothing in common with these ultra-rich white men and women who they believe share their values. It is a situation ‘rich’ in irony, that those who can see the problem are basically helpless in resolving it, as long as millions of folks will not wrestle themselves from their cultural fantasy that they have some commonality with folks who are putting them and their children in debt from their mis-actions.
It might even be a real Greek tragedy, where the racism of a bloc of people actually leads not to the destruction merely of those they loathe, but instead leads to their own annihilation and destruction; blinded by hate they choose to align themselves with those who ensure their own end. And, in the end, hate becomes its own bitter reward.
Posted by: sandy | September 30, 2008, 8:39 pm 8:39 pm
Sandy You don’t listen to your candidate when he has said that the Democrats do not have a monopoly on good ideas. Not everyone who supports McCain is a Limbaugh follower, maybe it’s you who’s spending too much time with your nose in the Enquirer. I wouldn’t say Reid called on McCain to go to Washington but he did before McCain did go that “we need the Republican nominee to let us know where he stands and what we should do”. The Dems wanted to know what cards McCain was going to play politically. You just don’t have a leg to stand on when it comes to lobbyists on staff and campaign contributions from Wall Street when it comes to these two candidates- it’s a wash- they’re both guilty as charged. They are both just corporate candidates like all the rest. If you were so worried about the influence of special interests anyway then how do you justify Obama not taking public financing (where part of the intent is to limit the influence of special interests) and the fact he takes more money from Wall Street then McCain? Neither of these two candidates are doing anything politically courageous or in the better interests of the American people by supporting this bailout.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 30, 2008, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm
What’s really going to be fun, is if Obama gets in, unleashing the same kind of vitriolic absurd hateful attacks on him and his policies that the democrats and neo-hater liberals have unleashed in the past 8 years on anyone who doesn’t agree with them…. from Hollywood to Broadway to newspapers and radio, a bubbling creative cauldron of payback is coming your way as a counter to the hate speech of the lefties like Baldwin, Penn, Franken, Moore…. and it will be relentless and merciless in it’s bombastic absurdity, so you can all taste the dish you’ve served up yourselves… bon appetit’
Posted by: Zippo | September 30, 2008, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm
TD – I guess you get off by being a condescending pr***? I have read Judge’s post regarding Obama’s church. I have read this crap on the website when it all first came out in the primary before the website was pulled down. What are you afraid of? That someone actually makes sense on the argument of voting for McCain?
Posted by: wanttheelectionover | September 30, 2008, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm
The USA Dream Team 2008-2012
President – Barack Obama
Vice President – John McCain
Secretary of State – Wesley Clark
Secretary of Treasury – Ron Paul
OR
President – John McCain
Vice President – Barack Obama
Secretary of State – Wesley Clark
Secretary of Treasury – Ron Paul
Posted by: joe from ne-philly | September 30, 2008, 8:45 pm 8:45 pm
wanttheelectionover – you do what posters like you do best – attack. And the National Enquirer story – picked up by many other outlets – seems you guys did not have a problem when that same rag when they hit on John Edwards.
And kcell – Rev. Wright – do not even go there – Palin as a pastor all her own – the “witch hunter” Thomas Muthee.
Posted by: sandy | September 30, 2008, 8:46 pm 8:46 pm
sandy – now you show your true self – pull out the race card when someone doesn’t think Obama has what it takes to lead this country? I think you missed my earlier post where I said Obama may make a good President someday, just not at this juncture in time. He DOES NOT have the experience and needs to learn some humbleness. Please go out and take a look at the Chicago Appenberg Project where he was Chair of the Board – this five year program had no measurable results, and was considered a failure. As the Chair, he should have been replacing the project manager – but I suppose that would not have been the popular thing to do.
Posted by: wanttheelectionover | September 30, 2008, 8:48 pm 8:48 pm
sandy – great posts! Do you get that feeling you’re trying to describe a 3-dimensional object to beings trapped in a 2-dimensional world? I share your pain! :)
Posted by: TD | September 30, 2008, 8:49 pm 8:49 pm
wanttheelectionover – you really should stop making my point for me by missing the issue by a light-mile but thanks anyway! :)
Posted by: TD | September 30, 2008, 8:52 pm 8:52 pm
sandy – statement of fact = attack? Hmmmm. Do you ever question your candidate? Did he really make the right move? Or do you blindly support him, regardless? I have researched and continue to stay in touch with the issues and how each acts. Never said McCain was a saint, but neither is Obama.
Posted by: wanttheelectionover | September 30, 2008, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm
TD – thank you! You hit the nail right on the head – it is really difficult tring to reason with people who wish not to see or hear. Or for than matter, ACTIVELY listen to what is happening in the world around them.
Posted by: sandy | September 30, 2008, 8:56 pm 8:56 pm
joe – interesting concept.
Posted by: wanttheelectionover | September 30, 2008, 8:56 pm 8:56 pm
Sandy I don’t dislike Obama- but let’s be honest here. Do we really need one more lawyer in Washington?
He worked with real people but he also worked within one of the most corrupt political systems, that being in Chicago. There is no way he didn’t learn a few political lessons there.
He has spent almost his entire time in the US Senate campaigning for President.
He has more experience campaigning on a national level then he has actual experience doing the work of a US Senator. His role as a US Senator gave him absolutely every opportunity to acquire the knowledge, experience and perspective in foreign policy that Biden, McCain and Richardson (among others) have. He opted to squander it though. He has experience talking about foreign policy on the campaign trail but none actually in foreign policy. Obama’s biggest accomplishment has been his meteoric rise on the national political scene and he is pretty impressive in that regard- but as far as inspiring I respect that’s how you feel but you need to remember this is a close race and half of the Country feels not so inspired by Obama.
Your theory, while you are entitled to such, that those who somehow don’t choose to support Obama are doing so out of their “whiteness” or mistaken notion that they have more in common with those with wealth (who I would assume you think are white also) is offensive to many. Unbelievable as it may seem, there actually are conservatives in this Country who believed in principles such as small government. There are actually people who aren’t impressed with Obama’s record of minimal accomplishments to date nor who feel talking about foreign policy takes the place of experience.
You should really check out a video clip of Bill CLinton on The View talking about how people decide who they will vote for and the complexities of such and how it’s a very personal decision. What kind of liberal are you anyway? You are making way too many assumptions about people you don’t know
and generalizations about racial and class politics.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 30, 2008, 8:58 pm 8:58 pm
sandy and TD – the problem is, your concept of see or hear is only if it is from your point of view. If you really could give me a good argument that hasn’t already been hashed to death, I would consider it. Obama caught my eye when he first came on the scene, and through time lost me for this election. Since you continue to harp the same message of Obama’s greatness and McCain’s inability, you really should take a good look in the mirror. Night all – some of us have to get to work in the morning.
Posted by: wanttheelectionover | September 30, 2008, 9:00 pm 9:00 pm
Sandy Does your religious tolerance only apply to Wright and is not inclusive of pentecostals or evangalicals?
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 30, 2008, 9:01 pm 9:01 pm
Sandy Does your religious tolerance only apply to Wright and is not inclusive of pentecostals or evangalicals?
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 30, 2008, 9:01 pm 9:01 pm
you’re welcome sandy! Isn’t democracy great? Do you also get that warm feeling inside; knowing the true extent of the reasoning abilities of SOME of those that get to decide our political fate? You know, nobody gets on an aircraft because the pilot reminded them of themselves in a “down-home” folksy way, but they would happily pick a VP on the same basis! LMFAO!!
Posted by: TD | September 30, 2008, 9:02 pm 9:02 pm
wanttheelectionover – so you’re basing your “assumptive” proposition that I support Obama on what?…
Sorry, didn’t hear you? Like I said earlier, I know it IS scary but you really should try THINKING.
And you should practice a bit of what you preach, no?
Goodnight dear! :)
Posted by: TD | September 30, 2008, 9:09 pm 9:09 pm
alpaig52 -I was raisied in a home where my siblings and I where taught to judge people by the size of their heart – that philosophy has served my sibings and I well – it opened our minds to new experiences and new friends. Color, creed, religion, size, age, political leanings, gender, standard of living, etc. have never been standards we judge others by. It is too bad that more children are not raised in that same kind of loving and understanding home that I was, my children were, my grandchildren were, and now my new great-granddaughter will be. I do have to admit, however, that “witch-hunters” are beyond my wordly experience.
Posted by: sandy | September 30, 2008, 9:11 pm 9:11 pm
TD – this will be my only comment before I sign off because I like open dialogue. I have had many discussions with want and this person has a very open mind – we have agreed and disagreed on many aspects of this election. It’s folks like you that make this election miserable.
Posted by: wazup | September 30, 2008, 9:17 pm 9:17 pm
–( He has spent almost his entire time in the US Senate campaigning for President. )–
Bull. He has voted MORE than McCain has in the current Congress, and McCain has missed more votes than ANY OTHER SENATOR. He has sponsored many more bills and amendments than McCain, and those have been to benefit the american people, not the Military like McCain.
Signed: One angry American who is sick of this crap!
Posted by: Pissed Citizen of the US | September 30, 2008, 9:17 pm 9:17 pm
McCain isn’t perfect – but at least you know what your getting. He is not a full fledged Republican. He has bucked them many times. Between the two its a no brainer unless you don’t have any brains and are looking for a hand-out. Obama has the gift of GAB and that’s about it. If you can talk enough trash maybe you can get in. Sorry – when I apply for a job they really want to see my resume. He doesn’t have one and really should have established one before running. Even Biden and Hilary said as much. He is going after the poor people who are hoping to get more money in there pocket. If this idiot happens to win the election he won’t last past one term I am sure.
Posted by: kcell | September 30, 2008, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm
wazup – and that MISERY is caused by me asking people to THINK? I fear the intellectual aperture you profess may not be as broad as you wish it! :)
Posted by: TD | September 30, 2008, 9:26 pm 9:26 pm
Pissed Citizen Sorry, but you are wrong. Both McCain and Obama have extremely poor records of showing up to vote, so include Obama in that, and in part it is due to their being on the campaign trail (at least that’s their excuse much of the time). Whether you like McCain or not, you are talking about a US Senator who’s been in the Senate almost 30 years and comparing his record to someone who hasn’t even been in the US Senate (those other Senate years were in the State Senate) 4 years with most of it on the campaign trail. One could say it’s unfair to compare the accomplishments of a 30 years Senator to a first term Senator who spent most of it running for President. But to say it’s even possible for a Senator who’s actually put in about a year in the Senate to have as much on their record in regards to accomplishments, in particular with someone like McCain, defies logic. Obama probably wasn’t even old enough to vote when McCain started his Senate career. Personally, I doubt you know practically anything about McCain’s record or accomplishments and only know you don’t like him- and that’s fine.
But the fact is that you can’t accompish too much if you spend 3 out of 4 years on the campaign trail when you’re in the US Senate.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 30, 2008, 9:29 pm 9:29 pm
McCain is about as smart as the rock out in my yard, Palin,….LOL, she’s a two bit whore you can find on any Main Street for $10., are these people serious, this woman couldn’t fight her way out of a Twinkine bag!!!
Posted by: Truth Hurts | September 30, 2008, 9:31 pm 9:31 pm
This President’s approval ought to be even lower. Indeed the Republicans have been so ideology driven in both domestic and foreign policy they’ve made a hash of our country’s status in so many areas. Here is an interesting link about economic growth under both Democratic and Republican Presidents since 1952: http://angrybear.blogspot.com/2007/08/comparing-presidents-rankings-of.html
Is anyone surprised to see the Democratic Presidents in the top 3 spots and the 5 Republicans all below them? My 86 year old mother quoted this to me last week: “If you want to live like a Republican, vote for the Democrats”.
Posted by: Edward | September 30, 2008, 9:33 pm 9:33 pm
Kcell: Would you be dumb enough to employ McCain and Palin in your company if you had one? Probably you would give Palin a Topposition in spite of her being investigated about Troopergate and McCain could look for the economic part? Nobody with a working brain would do something like this, yet many consider to let those two run the country.
Posted by: Verily | September 30, 2008, 9:34 pm 9:34 pm
Okay, many of you are to be commended for taking a genuine interest in such a critical presidential election. Unlike Congress for the past 8 years, this shows true democracy in action. But the hate/speak and extremism has got to stop. Ya’ll sound like a bunch of terrorists screaming about death to America–and yet it’s your fellow Americans you are ranting about. We’re ALL in the same boat, ALL victims of propaganda and corporate greed. Is it any wonder the country keeps going in circles if half row in one direction and the other side rows in the opposite direction? Unify over the need we all have to be fairly heard, to be part of a legitimate election, to vote with both our heads AND our hearts. The seeds of hate bear ugly fruit and no one candidate (a mere human, after all, who is no more or less precious than any of us) should be able to evoke this type of unholy response. It just makes you look and sound ugly. H. G. Welles said the first man to pick up a gun has run out of ideas. Well, the first person to hurl an insult has likewise run out of ideas. Keep it clean, people. What kind of example are we setting for our candidates?
Posted by: Fetchcat | September 30, 2008, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm
–( McCain isn’t perfect – but at least you know what your getting. )–
Yup, 4 more years of cut and burn taxation, borrowing our souls from China with a skyrocketing deficit, the war machine ramped up and ready to go at a moments notice given the slightest invocation, and a backup plan that took 6 years to get a journalism degree.
Posted by: Pissed Citizen of the US | September 30, 2008, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm
This is about the presidential nominees so why do they always compare Palin with Obama. She does have more experience than he does – and like everyone she has made mistakes so get over it. They never talk about Biden and thats pretty funny. Palin gave an incredible speach at the convention. I was impressed…if she does well in the debate she will be fine. All she has to do is get Biden fired up and his mouth will close the deal.
Posted by: kcell | September 30, 2008, 9:36 pm 9:36 pm
Sandy I have no doubt what you say is true and that you are just feeling passionately about this election and your candidate- but you are really taking great liberty in some of your assumptions about people who opt to not vote Obama. There is no doubt there are some out there who will not vote Obama because he is black and some who will vote for him because he is black. But there are many other factors as to why people opt to vote for who they choose to and to take a broad brush and be judge and jury and declare them in some way racist is just wrong and not at all true. Some people actually like some of the positions of McCains and that has nothing to do with race. It has to do with whose energy policy do you like better, whose health care plan do you like better and so on. Again, one of the things I do respect about Obama is his strong belief that the Dems do not have a monopoly on good ideas. I do consider myself a conservative on all, or most issues for that matter, but there are conservatives out there who are extremely intelligent and articulate
and who just happen to disagree with our views but that doesn’t mean their views have no merit.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 30, 2008, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm
Lord Americans are dumb with short memories….which makes Obama a lucky bastard. Obama will not make a good commander in chief, numbers in the polls are unreliable and with Obama you have to always shave off 3 points for the “Bradley effect”, for those on the phone that say they’ll vote BO and feel awkward or pressured and get in the booth and don’t vote for him…Donna Brazille said that.
If McCain doesn’t bring up all the negatives about Obama’s character and lack of judgement in friends and associates (in other words, criminals, terriorists and racists)…Obama will win. The gloves have to come off, we have to start seeing more effective ads, negative or not, and he has to hit hard in late October.
Funny how Americans are not concerned with a President who doesn’t know his
a– from a hole in the ground, but Palin gets villified for the #2 spot…Biden makes gaffe after gaffe and cries like a girl…and gets a pass. I think this country is more into a CORONATION and not an ELECTION.
HILLARY SUPPORTER FOR McCAIN even BEFORE he picked Palin.
Posted by: DLM | September 30, 2008, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm
–( McCain isn’t perfect – but at least you know what your getting. )–
Yup, 4 more years of cut and burn taxation, borrowing our souls from China with a skyrocketing deficit, the war machine ramped up and ready to go at a moments notice given the slightest invocation, and a backup plan that took 6 years to get a journalism degree.
We you did benefit from the biggest tax cut in our history under Bush didn’t you?? Or are you one of the bottom feeders waiting for that welfare check. Bush did allot of good with that tax cut. Now the war is different – if your pissed about the war I might understand it.
Posted by: kcell | September 30, 2008, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm
=-( Palin gave an incredible speach at the convention. I was impressed. )–
You apparently you are easily impressed. All I heard was jabs and attacks, without any real substance. Not anything that I would call impressive by any stretch.
Posted by: Pissed Citizen of the US | September 30, 2008, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm
alpaig52 – McCain has not voted on anything snce April. He was the only Senator to NOT show up for the vote on the GI Bill, the other one was Kennedy who was fghting brain cancer and the only one who did not show up for the Medicare Bill vote (and Kennedy was there even though he was undergoing chemotherapy). McCain as voted against EVERY bil that supports our veterans but keeps pushing his POW rhetoric. His voting record with disabled veterans is 20% while Obama sports an 80% plus voting record. So, do not hit Obama’s voting record since this campaign started without looking at McCain’s.
Posted by: sandy | September 30, 2008, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm
One can understand why America is in the mess it is with wild swings of undecided, white and women voters. How could anyone be undecided after nearly four years of Bush and watching the pathetic and disturbingly erratic campaign of McCain? Palin is only the most serious, obvious McCain problem. The biggest problem is McCain. How can these people subject the rest of us to four more years of dysfunction? Perhaps these confused undecideds, women and white bigots ought to sit this election out since they have NOT been paying for the last eight years? FYI I am a decided older white woman who has paid attention to the disaster of supply-side economics for the last 28 years and I have already voted.
Posted by: susan | September 30, 2008, 9:45 pm 9:45 pm
Edward Clinton was in part the beneficiary of the tax increases that Bush Sr put forth and which he had promised not to do and as such lost his reelection. Bush Sr did the right thing for the economy, it cost him the election, and Clinton benefited. The most sweeping deregulation of the banking industry in American history came under Clinton’s watch in 1999 and we’re today living with some of the consequences of that bi-partisan bill.
I was a Bill Clinton supporter and I’m not necessarily picking on him but look at today- it doesn’t make a difference if Obama gets in because whether he’s a Dem or not he’s inheriting one big mess which could end up ensuring he becomes only a one term President. There was also always the myth that war is good for the economy. I heard that growing up and also heard in times of peace the Dems are better at the economy and you’re best to vote Dem and in times of war you want the Repubs. The times are indeed changing though and I don’t really know if what we believed in the past applies to today anymore.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 30, 2008, 9:45 pm 9:45 pm
=-( Palin gave an incredible speach at the convention. I was impressed. )–
You apparently you are easily impressed. All I heard was jabs and attacks, without any real substance. Not anything that I would call impressive by any stretch.
If I want to listen to someone speak without substance all I have to do is turn on Barack Obama – the community organizer..
Posted by: kcell | September 30, 2008, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm
They don’t poll the students or anyone else that has a mobile.. They only poll landline phones.. Obama is further ahead than you think.. Thankfully!! Independants are smarter than McCain thinks.. Independants can see through the Palin facade designed to attract the female vote. Imagine Palin looking after the country.. ”I can see Russia from my house’ America would be the laughing stock of the world..
Posted by: cowboycowboy2005 | September 30, 2008, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm
– We you did benefit from the biggest tax cut in our history under Bush didn’t you?? Or are you one of the bottom feeders waiting for that welfare check. –
Yeah, he did us lots of good.. he took a balanced budget and federal surplus and in his first year due to tax cuts cost the american another $133 billion, and has been averaging $500 billion a year in borrowing since then. An average of $1.5 billion A DAY people!! I’m a appauled at this ‘we want tax cuts’ attitude while supporting the largest government reorganization since world war II.. when will people wake up and realize that you cannot continue cutting taxes while increasing spending. I can’t imagine the stupidity of the American majority who can only see what’s in it for them, instead of what’s in it for the best of our country.
Posted by: Concerned Citizen | September 30, 2008, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm
“First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.” — Mahatma Gandhi It as if Ghandi was mirroring Senator Obama’s campaign and eventual win! :)
Posted by: sandy | September 30, 2008, 9:50 pm 9:50 pm
They don’t poll the students or anyone else that has a mobile.. They only poll landline phones.. Obama is further ahead than you think.. Thankfully!! Independants are smarter than McCain thinks.. Independants can see through the Palin facade designed to attract the female vote. Imagine Palin looking after the country.. ”I can see Russia from my house’ America would be the laughing stock of the world..
Posted by: cowboycowboy2005 | September 30, 2008, 9:51 pm 9:51 pm
They don’t poll the students or anyone else that has a mobile.. They only poll landline phones.. Obama is further ahead than you think.. Thankfully!! Independants are smarter than McCain thinks.. Independants can see through the Palin facade designed to attract the female vote. Imagine Palin looking after the country.. ”I can see Russia from my house’ America would be the laughing stock of the world..
Posted by: cowboycowboy2005 | September 30, 2008, 9:53 pm 9:53 pm
susan women and whites who are undecided are nothing but bigots?
What part of the Democratic party do you come from that has total intolerance for those who may not share the same viewpoints that you do? Is it not possible one could have differing opinions on energy policy or health care plans? I suppose you thought all Clinton supporters were racist too but you’re willing to put up with them if they cast their vote for the candidate of your choice. That is what it’s about isn’t it- the candidate of your choice and anyone who disagrees is automatically labeled racist, uneducated, lower class or whatever other adjective of tolerance you can come up with. It’s comments like yours that make parts of the Democratic party
look no different then the far right of the Republican party with their intolerance and belief that they know what’s best for all of us.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 30, 2008, 9:53 pm 9:53 pm
wanttheelectionover
Obama is an immature person as called by Gov. Matt Blunt of Missouri. Obama does not represent ALL OF THE PEOPLE. Obama has a long time relationship with groups against Democracy and a Free People. Your racism against whites and Jews is showing.
After a thorough investigation, there is no doubt in backing and voting for
Ralph Nader.
http://www.votenader.org/about/
No Way to Obama. McCain has moved to the front burner. Obama failed our investigation. McCain has improved his position.
This post is not paid for by any political party.
Posted by: Judge | September 30, 2008, 9:54 pm 9:54 pm
– If I want to listen to someone speak without substance all I have to do is turn on Barack Obama – the community organizer.. –
Typical bottom dweller.. can’t defend the issue, so turn to another as a distraction. I’m appauled at people who think that working for the ‘have nots’ is to be somehow considered a dishonerable quality, and it shows just how desperate some people are, willing to grasp at straws, simply to justify their posiiton at any cost.
Posted by: Concerned Citizen | September 30, 2008, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm
– We you did benefit from the biggest tax cut in our history under Bush didn’t you?? Or are you one of the bottom feeders waiting for that welfare check. –
Yeah, he did us lots of good.. he took a balanced budget and federal surplus and in his first year due to tax cuts cost the american another $133 billion, and has been averaging $500 billion a year in borrowing since then. An average of $1.5 billion A DAY people!! I’m a appauled at this ‘we want tax cuts’ attitude while supporting the largest government reorganization since world war II.. when will people wake up and realize that you cannot continue cutting taxes while increasing spending. I can’t imagine the stupidity of the American majority who can only see what’s in it for them, instead of what’s in it for the best of our country.
Well you sure have a short memory or are ignorant. The tax cuts were passed prior to 911 and were good for the economy. Who could have known the total cost after 911 with the war and security cost in our country.
Posted by: kcell | September 30, 2008, 9:58 pm 9:58 pm
The two candidates health care plans differ significantly. McCains plan primarily focuses on deregulation to stimulate competition between the insurance providers, reforming tax codes, and providing a fixed credit to all families. Obama wants to create a national health plan that would make insurance available to all Americans, particularly those who are currently unable to obtain insurance, and with guaranteed eligibility. It is not a mandatory system, as many have mistaken, and is completely voluntary, so individuals who already have existing health insurance do not need to participate unless they want to. Obama also calls for health care tax credits, favoring the low and middle class, as well as incentives to increase efficiency and quality in the health care industry. The two plans, while comparable in cost, differ in year to year patterns, however based on analysis by the Economic Policy Institute, Obamas plan outperforms McCains plan in coverage and efficiency.
http://www.epi.org/content.cfm/pm126
In a detailed analysis between the two plans, the Wall Street Journal comes to the same conclusion as the EPI, and has additionally said:
“Given the current inefficiencies in our system, the impact of the Obama plan will be profound. Besides the $2,500 savings in medical costs for the typical family, according to our research annual business-sector costs will fall by about $140 billion. Our figures suggest that decreasing employer costs by this amount will result in the expansion of employer-provided health insurance to 10 million previously uninsured people”.
When looking at the McCain plan, they state:
“In contrast, Sen. McCain, who constantly repeats his no-new-taxes promise on the campaign trail, proposes a big tax hike as the solution to our health-care crisis. His plan would raise taxes on workers who receive health benefits, with the idea of encouraging their employers to drop coverage. A study conducted by University of Michigan economist Tom Buchmueller and colleagues published in the journal Health Affairs suggests that the McCain tax hike will lead employers to drop coverage for over 20 million Americans”.
Posted by: BillyBob | September 30, 2008, 10:01 pm 10:01 pm
Truth hurts at 1:31…..what a pig. Do you have a friggin clue what a GOVERNOR DOES? Dimwit! Works within a budget, oversees security in her state, has 900,000 lives in her hands…..AND WHAT DO YOU DO A–H0–?
McCAIN/PALIN!
Actually Palin is the only candidate who is us, is our family…IS THE MIDDLE CLASS THAT OBAMA IS SO CONCERNED ABOUT SINCE HE WANTS THEIR VOTES.
Obama is the worst Presidential candidate I’ve seen in my 50 years.
Posted by: DLM | September 30, 2008, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm
– If I want to listen to someone speak without substance all I have to do is turn on Barack Obama – the community organizer.. –
Typical bottom dweller.. can’t defend the issue, so turn to another as a distraction. I’m appauled at people who think that working for the ‘have nots’ is to be somehow considered a dishonerable quality, and it shows just how desperate some people are, willing to grasp at straws, simply to justify their posiiton at any cost.
Your such an idiot – I make 6 figures with my MBA. My house is paid for…ie no mortgage. Obama will probably raise my taxes so you can stay on your sofa.
Posted by: kcell | September 30, 2008, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm
Sandy Read my blog again. I said both Obama and McCain have extremely poor records of showing up to vote.
They both justify it because they are out campaigning. Not showing up to vote is one thing but opting to vote against one bill or another doesn’t tell one too much about where that candidate stands on a particular issue.
We see it in campaigns all the time.
Someone can attack Obama and say he voted against a bill on some issue and then say he doesn’t support that issue at all. That may or may not be the case. In most cases though the candidate didn’t vote for that specific bill because there was something in that specific bill in it’s totality that they did not want to vote for. Obama has spoken of this before. When it comes to Webb’s GI Bill, McCain opposed that bill because he was concerned about retaining our military and felt that giving benefits too soon
would leave less incentive to stay in the military beyond several years. Retainment of our troops, unless you support a draft, is an issue for this Country. McCain also wanted to see college benefits be transferred from the GI to their children. As was at the time that wasn’t happening. If a GI wanted to pass on their college benefits to their spouse they could but not to their children. McCain wanted to see their children benefit, something which many in the military wanted to see happen. So because McCain didn’t vote for the initial bill of Webb’s doesn’t mean he didn’t support troops but rather there were specific things he didn’t agree with in it and others he wanted to see included. This also applies to anything Obama may or may not have voted on. It just isn’t as simplistic as the soundbites and attack ads we see in an election- we need to do a little more critical thinking before coming to conclusions whether it be about Obama or McCain and bills they choose not to support.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 30, 2008, 10:04 pm 10:04 pm
CONS AND LIBS UNITED AGAINST ARROGANT GOVERNMENT, GUESS WHAT? AFTER WE SAID NO, CONGRESS IS POISED TO TRY AGAIN WEDNESDAY and vote to give the Executive Branch of government, and specifically the White House’s political appointees in the Treasury Department, the absolute right to take our money and give it to domestic and foreign banks and corporations without any oversight of elected officials, from the courts, or from the people.
The new legislation states: “Decisions by the Secretary [of the Treasury] pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, AND MAY NOT BE REVIEWED BY ANY COURT OF LAW OR ANY ADMINISTRATIVE AGENCY.” The Legislation allows the Treasury Department to appoint the same bankers who created the crisis to administer and dictate the use of trillions of our tax dollars.
The new system institutionalizes theft on a grand scale. Lehman Brothers bankers will receive $2.5 billion in bonuses after their company went bankrupt last week, but the new dictatorial authority under the White House and Treasury Department has ruled out any relief for the millions of working families who are being foreclosed.
We live in a $15 trillion annual economy. Instead of taking our tax dollars and giving it to the already rich and powerful, these funds should be used provide to decent paying jobs, affordable housing, health care and a good education for our children. There is another way!
Now is the time to hear the voice of the people. A spineless Congress authorized Bush’s illegal war in Iraq and rubber-stamped the Patriot Act. Now they are being herded like sheep again to give the White House and Wall Street dictatorial control over the people’s money.
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Posted by: allen_osuno3 | September 30, 2008, 10:07 pm 10:07 pm
BillyBob It doesn’t make any difference whether Obama supports universal health care or a similar plan because it’s not going to happen in the next four years. This country can’t possibly consider creating a new program like that, we don’t have the money and even before this bailout crisis there was no way it was going to make it’s way through congress. We’re going to be cutting programs not expanding or implementing new ones anytime soon.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 30, 2008, 10:07 pm 10:07 pm
– Well you sure have a short memory or are ignorant. The tax cuts were passed prior to 911 and were good for the economy. Who could have known the total cost after 911 with the war and security cost in our country. –
Exactly, BEFORE 9/11 and still wound up raising the deficit by $133 billion.. then took us on our unprovoked failure into Iraq to skyrocket us even more. Please tell me how borrowing $133 billion is good for the economy. For that matter, please explain how cutting taxes and increasing spending is good for anything except the foreign interests who wind up buying up our country for pennies on the dollar.
Posted by: Concerned Citizen | September 30, 2008, 10:08 pm 10:08 pm
alpaig52 – good debate – hope to see you tomorrow night but now I must get to bed. I like someone I can debate with even if we do not agree – intelligence beats attacking. Thanks! I appreciate your thinking processes!
Posted by: sandy | September 30, 2008, 10:09 pm 10:09 pm
The title of this article is misleading. Almost everyone has already decided for whom he or she is going to vote. To suggest there is significant number of undecided votes is wrong.
Posted by: pubguy | September 30, 2008, 10:12 pm 10:12 pm
–( Your such an idiot – I make 6 figures with my MBA. My house is paid for…ie no mortgage. Obama will probably raise my taxes so you can stay on your sofa. )–
And now it becomes clear as to your motives for supporting McCain.
Posted by: Concerned Citizen | September 30, 2008, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm
Concerned citizen is a liberal nut case liar and a queer. He has no commonsense and is just a leftist liberal bs Obama campaign blogger talking out his a**.
Posted by: Harold D | September 30, 2008, 10:19 pm 10:19 pm
cowboy….Palin scares libs like you….so many love her “middle America” appeal. You know what a Governor does? I suppose you deliver pizzas all night. I love how idiots like you focus on a line she never said but was made up on SNL. HAVE YOU BEEN FOLLOWING BIDENS THREE DOZEN GAFFES, AND THE THREE TIMES HE’S CRIED LIKE A GIRLY MAN ON CAMERA (once with tissues?). The media better give Palin HALF the passes they give Biden.
Posted by: DLM | September 30, 2008, 10:22 pm 10:22 pm
Concerned citizen, if you’re so concerned, explain how liberalism with Obama will better our lives, let alone the Country you moron!
Posted by: Harold D | September 30, 2008, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm
***
Pissed Citizen Sorry, but you are wrong. Both McCain and Obama have extremely poor records of showing up to vote, so include Obama in that,
***
Please see the congressional vote database;
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/m000303/
Posted by: Pissed Citizen of the US | September 30, 2008, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm
Sandy, thank you, that is a good one: “First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.” — Mahatma Gandhi It as if Ghandi was mirroring Senator Obama’s campaign and eventual win!”
Posted by: Verily | September 30, 2008, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm
Concerned moron, please explain how taxation will better anybody, other than the government and the lazy! Please do explain Mr. liberal nutcase!
Posted by: Harold D | September 30, 2008, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm
Cowboy, create a real name that describes you better, like Frisco queer. Them phone lines are in play because of telephone companies give out personal information and not the cell phone companies due to lawsuits that would happen from the expensive use of tower and satellites usage. Typical info given is also subscriptions and party affiliation through solicitors and business contacts which give the phone companies kickbacks. They mainly call registered Democrats to slant the polls to lie to people in actual data of the census which is controlled by democrat backers running companies, trust me I know exactly how it works!
Posted by: Harold D | September 30, 2008, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm
– Concerned citizen, if you’re so concerned, explain how liberalism with Obama will better our lives, let alone the Country you moron! –
Both Obama and McCains tax plan will increase deficit. McCain by $4.2 trillion over 10 years, Obama by $2.9 over the same period. Who has a better chance of ballancing the budget by reducing spending?
Obamas health care plan will not only be more efficent than McCains, it will increase health coverage for more Americans, while McCain, who wants to tax employer paid health coverage for the first time in history, will reduce health coverage. (see the Economic Policy Institute for the analysis)
Obama wants to close the enron loophole asap, immediately reducing our current gas prices, while McCain says the issue needs more ‘study’
Obama stresses diplomacy and dialog over military might (as apparently do the 5 former secretary of states that just gave interviews on CNN), which has a better chance at restoring our international position than McCain, who still believes that unconditional dialog is the wrong thing.. understandable given he is a military man.
Obama is highly educated, while McCain is a D- student.. We have seen what a ‘C’ student has done. In addition, he has shown the insight and intelligence not only in his original stance with Iraq, but as to it’s conclusion.. While McCain has shown time and time again to be wrong in his. Obama supported a political end to Iraq, McCain supports a military one. A recent RAND study looking at terrorist organizations since 1968 has shown that Obama is correct in his original insight, and that McCain was wrong as military posturing has rarely succeeded.
I could go on, but that seems sufficient to answer the original query. And for your reading enjoyment, here is the congressional testimony by the RAND corporation and it’s recommendations and conclusions regarding Iraq:
http://www.rand.org/pubs/testimonies/CT314/index.html
Posted by: Concerned Citizen | September 30, 2008, 10:40 pm 10:40 pm
Harold D. Your response seems very visceral, a real Sarah Palin thinker, I see. Here is a link to an economic analysis of US economic growth since 1929 under Presidents of the two parties:
http://www.business.unr.edu/faculty/parker/Parker-democrats-5-9-2006.pdf
While I wonder if you’d actually like to read it and learn some FACTS, it could challenge your ideology. For example, it is simply a fact that for the last 75 years, Democratic Presidents have presided over real per capita GDP growth that is over 3% higher and FIVE times faster than Republicans. Based on the historical record for the last three generations, if a Republican is president, the economy would double once every 100 years. If it is a Democrat, once every 18 years. Now, “if you want to live like a Republican, vote for the Democrats.”
Posted by: Edward | September 30, 2008, 10:41 pm 10:41 pm
I laugh at these polls. I know “how” they’re conducted with all the variables such as percentage of Democrats and Republicans, gender, race, how the question is put forth, etc…If anyone honestly thinks these polls are split 50/50 I’ve got cheese from the Moon to sell you.
Posted by: Kenny Jones | September 30, 2008, 10:44 pm 10:44 pm
–( Concerned moron, please explain how taxation will better anybody, other than the government and the lazy! Please do explain Mr. liberal nutcase )–
And you know what the really sad part about your statement is? I think you honestly believe it.. You seem to believe that we can continue borrowing money without any consequences.. and yet, you call _me_ a nutcase.
Posted by: Concerned Citizen | September 30, 2008, 10:45 pm 10:45 pm
There is not much more to say than: McFAILIN‘: Dishonest, Unstable, Unable.
Posted by: Verily | September 30, 2008, 10:53 pm 10:53 pm
People are wising up. The Republicans destroyed our country.
Posted by: mj it | September 30, 2008, 11:04 pm 11:04 pm
The CiC question is ridiculous. The Generals and Joint Chiefs made all kinds of suggestions to Bush, and were rejected. If Obama were President, he would more than likely listen to these experts. McCain, I feel, would do what he thinks is best. This would, in all probability, lead to more disastrous consequences. His father was an Admiral, his grandfather was an admiral, why is John McCain not also an admiral? Plenty of POW’s were promoted during their captivity, and yet, McCain was not. I think if he had any ability to lead the military, his family connections to the higher ups in the Navy as well as his knowledge gained from his ancestors would have guaranteed him a role at the top of the food chain. So, this would indicate a lack of ability to lead the military not the inverse. Just an ex-marines point of view.
Posted by: Joe | September 30, 2008, 11:16 pm 11:16 pm
concerned, 1.3 trillion difference eh? One thing, how is Obama going to lower the deficit by 1.3 trillion which does not make that much of a difference if you really look at the numbers. Next, how is he going to get the money, that’s right , taxation! Once he realizes he’s in over his head, capitol gains, gas and fuel, and corporations along with the wealthy will get taxed even more to pay for his programs! Who does that hurt one might ask? Capital gains(average hard working American investing for retirement and kids college education), gas and fuel(everybody who depends on transportation to and from work, and businesses that rely on workers showing up to work and companies who rely and transportation as a whole like, trucking co., insurance co., rental co. etc…), corporations(big and small business like everything you see in towns and cities from restaurants, warehouses, to financial institutions like state farm insurance or ford and GM along with GE and typical general commodities from food to household items, with small mom and pop businesses feeling the pain first by laying off workers to bankruptcy then closure, them the big companies are next.). Then the wealthy which are the one’s who own large companies with lots of employees(first they will layoff workers, then cut half of their production for the type of product they create and sell, then plant closures will be next along possible extractions of company assets to other countries with lower tax rates and lower wage laws.). Man, Obama’s plan sounds like a winner to me, LOL. The first years the money will roll in, then the fallout in the end will come due to the effects of wrong liberal(socialist) well wishing polices. Clinton already did most of that in small increases, Obama’s is much more extreme. This is all apart of a socialist agenda, not liberal! Liberalism is just a tool for acceptance and votes then a 180 turn into socialism. If people want to know about affordable health care and education with government intervention through taxation, look to socialist societies like Venezuela and Chavez and how he stabbed his people in the back with the congress in power also his political party, hmm? Just remember, this is a capitalist economy, Obama’s agenda would only work in a socialist society, unless the capitalist society turned into a socialist through government throw over, with new enforcement policies(Missouri?), hmmm! McCain would prosper the country through job creation from tax cuts, but yes we are at war. He would finish the war and the deficit would go down and peace, protection, and prosperity would take hold, then the American Republic of Democratic capitalism with live on! Meaning if you want health insurance at an affordable price and choice, get a job and then choose and recieve it through a JOB AND TAKING CARE OF YOU’RE FAMILY, WITHOUT GOVERMENT ASSISTANCE, WHICH IS WHAT OBAMA IS OFFERING. A SOCIALIST GOVERMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM CREATED FROM POLICES I STATED ABOVE IN AN OBAMA ADMINISTRATION!
Posted by: Harold D | September 30, 2008, 11:24 pm 11:24 pm
Obama’s national health plan would only feed the constantly rising medical costs. Obama’s national health plan would give pharmaceutical companies more undeserving US dollars to add to their trillion dollar bank accounts.
Taxpayers will pay for the national health plan to the tune of $3,000,000,000,000 (3 trillion) plus a year starting in the first year. The national budget deficit is at $10,000,000,000,000 (10 trillion) at this time. The United States is going broke and Obama’s plans will send the USA into a deeper hole.
The national health plans of other countries are more of a failure than a success. There is long waiting periods for necessary surgeries. Many foreigners come to the US and pay for treatments out of their pockets.
The national health plan is more wind from Obama. The only problem is the American Medical Association. The medical lobby is strong and it has many times defeated any thoughts of a national medical plan. That is why there are many foreign doctors in the USA. I can hear the laughter coming from the AMA.
Obama wants to do what? Ha..Ha…Ha…Ha…Ha
Obama knows he makes a promise that he can not keep. There are many promises that Obama, the Democratic puppet cannot keep.
After a thorough investigation, there is no doubt in backing and voting for
Ralph Nader.
Posted by: Judge | September 30, 2008, 11:36 pm 11:36 pm
***concerned, 1.3 trillion difference eh? One thing, how is Obama going to lower the deficit by 1.3 trillion which does not make that much of a difference if you really look at the numbers ***
I did not say he would lower the deficit.. I gave numbers showing how each candidate would raise the deficit… McCain would raise it more. What part of that did you not understand? And given that, who has the best chance of balancing the budget?
*** Next, how is he going to get the money, that’s right , taxation! Once he realizes he’s in over his head, capitol gains, gas and fuel, and corporations along with the wealthy will get taxed even more to pay for his programs! ***
And I ask the same of you? How is McCain going to get the money?
Obama will raise capital gains. He has indicated up to 25%, which is lower than the level it was under Clinton. But all existing exemptions will be left in place, so unless you plan on making HUGE profits, it will not effect you in the least. Obama does not plan to alter the corporate tax rate from it’s current level, and by closing the enron loophole, gas prices will see an immediate decrease (remember, in 2000 when the loophole was added, natural gas prices soared by 320% according to the presidential energy polity presented by Bush.. go read it).
*** wealthy will get taxed even more to pay for his programs! Who does that hurt one might ask? ***
Umm, the wealthy perhaps?!? Remember, the top 1% controls over 40% of the wealth in America.. and we have the second highest wealth distribution inequality in the world, second only to Switzerland.
*** Clinton already did most of that in small increases, Obama’s is much more extreme. ***
Untrue.. Obama does not to exceed the levels that were in place under Clinton.. on any taxes.
*** Obama’s agenda would only work in a socialist society, unless the capitalist society turned into a socialist through government throw over, with new enforcement policies(Missouri?), hmmm! ****
Do you even have a clue as to what the Missouri reference is about? Simply an attempt to get local law enforcement to uphold EXISTING LAWS against false and deceptive advertising.. hardly a “socialist” concept.
*** Meaning if you want health insurance at an affordable price and choice, get a job and then choose and recieve it through a JOB AND TAKING CARE OF YOU’RE FAMILY, WITHOUT GOVERMENT ASSISTANCE, WHICH IS WHAT OBAMA IS OFFERING. A SOCIALIST GOVERMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM CREATED FROM POLICES I STATED ABOVE IN AN OBAMA ADMINISTRATION! ***
And yet, there are millions who are currently unable to obtain or afford health care. Obama is offering a plan that would be available for anyone who desired it, yet it is completely optional.. meaning that if you already have health care, you don’t have to participate if you don’t like. Did you look at the analysis by the Economic Policy Institute? How about this analysis by the wall street journal:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122152292213639569.html
Please make an informed decision when you vote.. not one based on sound bites coming out of the GOP or media.
Posted by: Concerned Citizen | September 30, 2008, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm
–( 3yrs. of no progress and the beginning of a recession before 9/11 )–
This is truely laughable.. In his first year, Bush increased the deficit by $133 billion, even with the surplus that he was handed when he took office, due to his first round of tax cuts. The first tax cut Bush pushed through a willing Republican Congress caused an upswing in government borrowing that was supposed to stimulate the economy, but two years later Bush had to push through yet another tax cut. The second tax cut was needed because it was clear that the first one did not work. Economic history tells us the second did not work either. As a result of all his tax cutting with no cutting in spending, in 2003 President Bush set a record for the biggest single yearly dollar increase in debt in the nation’s history. He did it again in 2004, increasing the debt more than half a trillion dollars.
And we all see where we have wound up.
Posted by: Concerned Citizen | October 1, 2008, 12:05 am 12:05 am
Judge said: “Taxpayers will pay for the national health plan to the tune of $3,000,000,000,000 (3 trillion) plus a year starting in the first year.”
What a crock.. where did you pull these numbers from? According to the TPI analysis:
“Over the 10-year period, McCain’s plan spends roughly seven times more (per capita) than Obama’s to cover each of the forecasted uninsured, a huge difference in the “bang-for-the-buck” each plan provides in expanding health coverage”
Do you now claim that, based on your numbers above, McCains plan will cost $21 trillion the first year? You are indeed misguided.
Posted by: aj1221 | October 1, 2008, 12:22 am 12:22 am
AM in the Navy serving overseas. I have always voted republican but nowing the situation we are in and the way Mcain is talking not to believe in dialog before war. Chosing a VP like Palin who could be our commander in chief who talk like she just gradute from high school. I love the republican party to my heart but i love my country more. I’m voting for Obama.
Posted by: Betts | October 1, 2008, 1:14 am 1:14 am
Some of the people citing numbers here cannot even balance a checkbook – or they cannot afford a checkbook. We don’t need universal healthcare. Germany has it and they tax everyone at 50%. In the US – all the lazy people who don’t want to work would love it but no-one is going to give up 50% of their pay to pay for it. Having spent extensive time in Europe they work…They don’t have a fraction of the welfare slugs that we have and they have a socialized system. Its not going to work in the US. So for those clowns who are hoping and praying for healthcare you better get a job or a second job. No-one is going to hand you anything. You will have to work for it.
Posted by: kcell | October 1, 2008, 1:17 am 1:17 am
Loans to minorities caused the present economic crisis. But the Black caucus stayed away from voting on the bill. Obama cannot even deliver his people. What kind of a leader is that ????
Posted by: vs | October 1, 2008, 1:24 am 1:24 am
Palin should hit back at Biden in the debate for making up a story of sniper fire when landing in Afghanistan and also remind the crapt Hillary got from Obama campp for a similar incident at Bosnia
Posted by: vs | October 1, 2008, 1:26 am 1:26 am
The tax cuts were passed prior to 911 and were good for the economy. Who could have known the total cost after 911 with the war and security cost in our country. –
Exactly, BEFORE 9/11 and still wound up raising the deficit by $133 billion.. then took us on our unprovoked failure into Iraq to skyrocket us even more. Please tell me how borrowing $133 billion is good for the economy. For that matter, please explain how cutting taxes and increasing spending is good for anything except the foreign interests who wind up buying up our country for pennies on the dollar.
You best take some economic classes. Cutting taxes puts more money into the economy as it gives you more money for your trip to Walmart. Increasing spending also helps the economy as long as the money is spent at home.DUH…..No wonder you will vote for Obama.
Posted by: kcell | October 1, 2008, 1:28 am 1:28 am
That singing to Obama by the staged children and Zucker reminds me of North Korea and China. They brainwashed at an early age too. Do we really want to go the socialism route?
Posted by: Fred Indy | October 1, 2008, 1:34 am 1:34 am
No one believes the lies of the bush administration anymore.
Posted by: chrishall | October 1, 2008, 1:34 am 1:34 am
Ed from MA wrote “But I also know my opinion doesn’t matter because we also have a Senator Barney Frank who is .. a lisp talking dork who CAUSED all of this mess with his pressure to give out loans to low income people who obviously couldn’t handle the payments! Now – go crawl into your hole ..” ——–
This is a complete distortion because it was Bush who pushed these loans as this quote of Bush demonstrates “Now, we’ve got a problem here in America that we have to address. Too many American families, too many minorities do not own a home. There is a home ownership gap in America. The difference between Anglo America and African American and Hispanic home ownership is too big. (Applause.) And we’ve got to focus the attention on this nation to address this.And it starts with setting a goal. And so by the year 2010, we must increase minority home owners by at least 5.5 million. In order to close the homeownership gap, we’ve got to set a big goal for America, and focus our attention and resources on that goal. (Applause.)” – George Bush June 17, 2002 —–
So perhaps the problem is that you have been living in a hole for the past 8 years & have never come out long enough to get informed. Perhaps you’re just a partisan hack that can’t accept that the republican brand is dead because Bush has been a complete failure. You probably think that the economy is strong too & that McCain represents change despite the fact that he voted with Bush over 90% of the time. In short you sound very naive & happy to be living in Bush made hole.
Posted by: dee | October 1, 2008, 1:54 am 1:54 am
Mr. Cutler and Obama do not recognize the real problem with health care costs. I looked at the WSJ article and it missed many important points.
No one is addressing the real causes of rising health care costs. The doctors and the pharmaceutical companies are the number one cause of American sickness and death. Preventative health measures are great when people stop drinking alcohol in excess, stop eating junk foods, stop smoking cigarettes, stop using uncontrolled substances and drugs, stop the use of white sugar, use regular exercise and observe better nutrition. Use more of a caveman diet then the modern day diet of processed foods.
Obama and McCain do not have a good health plan. At least McCain makes people do something other than depend on the taxpayers to pay for every human need. Communism failed in Russia because the government wanted to control everything. America forefathers did not establish a country with socialistic ideals. Obama does not get it. This is America not Russia, Kenya
or Indonesia.
Mr. Cutler and Obama want to feed large sums of money to a broken health care system at taxpayers expense. If Obama wants socialism, then he should go home to his other country, wherever that may be. Let me know when you are leaving, I’ll be there to wave good-bye.
After a thorough investigation, there is no doubt in backing and voting for
Ralph Nader.
No Way to Obama. McCain is on the back burner. Obama failed our investigation. McCain did somewhat better.
This post is not paid for by any political party.
Posted by: Judge | October 1, 2008, 2:00 am 2:00 am
Pleae mention the low ratings of Congress in the same breath as tahe low ratings of the President. For some reason, we don’t hear much about their lack of performance.
Posted by: Roger | October 1, 2008, 2:08 am 2:08 am
This independent supported McCain for 2000 but in 2008 there is a better candidate and a need for change and with McCain choosing a VP candidate who is not prepared to be the President from day 1. It is time for a change America.
Posted by: gjkotw01 | October 1, 2008, 2:10 am 2:10 am
As bad as Bush is perceived they NEVER mention that he is almost 3 times as popular as the Congress.
Posted by: john g. | October 1, 2008, 2:14 am 2:14 am
Roger.
I couldn’t agree more. Nancy and Barney need to be waiting cars at Sonic, roller skates and all. Have you ever seen such a pathetic bunch?
Posted by: david | October 1, 2008, 2:15 am 2:15 am
How can you accuse the democrats of being socialist when Bush hands the insurance industry billions of dollars in bailout money for stiffing the sick?
McCain has no health care plan. In short he wants to tax health care benefits so that employers will drop employee health care plans leaving the employee to buy an individual plan at over 10 times the cost from the corrupt insurance industry. Not a good deal for the worker & it will greatly expand the ranks of the uninsured that has already exceeded 50 million. McCain promises a tax cut that he knows will never materialize because Bush has bankrupted America. With McCain you’re on your own while the government works to make your life worse.
Posted by: dee | October 1, 2008, 2:18 am 2:18 am
Here is the history of the Bush family presidential dynasty 3 terms total which saddled America with 3 recessions. McCain bragged about voting with Bush over 90% of the time and represents a 4th Bush term. Insanity would be voting for McCain unless you like self inflicted wounds. Right now we are experiencing total economic collapse because of the policies of Bush that were fully supported by John McCain. They can’t hide from their failures!
Posted by: dee | October 1, 2008, 2:26 am 2:26 am
ABC = i dare you to post a headline that doesnt make mccain look bad. All Obama gets are rosy headlines and mccain is always put down by you.
You realise after this election that i will never log onto your page again, its probably the worst out of them all. Oh no CNN’s is the worst.
Posted by: Louise | October 1, 2008, 2:28 am 2:28 am
The more I read and hear Obama, the more he reminds be of Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker (Baker). The religious pair that pulled millions of dollars from unsuspecting people and air conditioned their doghouse. Obama’s speeches remind me more of a sermon than a political talk. Of course, he is use to talking like a preacher in the church he attends.
After a thorough investigation, there is no doubt in backing and voting for
Ralph Nader.
No Way to Obama. McCain has moved to the front burner. Obama failed our investigation. McCain has improved his position..
This post is not paid for by any political party
Posted by: Judge | October 1, 2008, 2:33 am 2:33 am
dee
I said Obama and McCain do not have a health care solution. The health care problems are the direct results caused by doctors and the drug companies. More and more good doctor are learning of the problem. People must live a healthy life. I am 70 years-old and I do not use doctors or hospitals.
Posted by: Judge | October 1, 2008, 2:42 am 2:42 am
John McCain’s whole life is about gaining “victory”. He cannot accept the fact that we may never be totally victorious in defeating all terrorists. One could stay in Iraq and Afghanistan for the next 100 years and not achieve lasting victory. The answer in the article I read was to increase the standard of living in Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan and people will then push aside terrorism in favor of a free and prosperous society. However, this should not mean that Americans should lose their jobs in favor of Iraqis, Pakistanis or Afghans. Their society has to improve and create opportunities for the unemployed. Iraq, at least, has the oil revenues to do this. All 3 need infrastructure improvements which would create jobs.
Posted by: Bob | October 1, 2008, 4:37 am 4:37 am
As a citizen of two great nations and allies of the US, I have no problem if you vote McCain/Palin in. I just hope that the rest of the western world then isolates the US. No trade, no missile bases, no nothing. I doubt the worlds great super-power would last too long in such circumstances. Of course if the above scenario did come to pass, Pres McCain would surely show his military teeth and invade Spain. Those who actually believe that Obama would facilitate terrorism truly scare me. I don’t know how the media feeds it to you over there, or what filters you put on your brains, but if you don’t see the last eight years as a backward step (10 backward steps) for the US you have problems. The very thought of Sarah ‘I’ll get back to ya’ Palin being a 72 years old heartbeat away from President of the World is terrifying.
Posted by: Spaghetti | October 1, 2008, 4:38 am 4:38 am
So the moderator for the debate on thursday is extremely pro-obama and has written a book about him to be released on – wait – Jan 20. she should be made to step aside for someboyd more bi-partisan. this is disgusting and i cant beleive the media are allowed to get away with being so biased.
Do they really think they can ignore the 45% of this country that still support John McCain and Sarah Palin and just go ahead with their pro-obama agenda?
Posted by: Louise | October 1, 2008, 5:45 am 5:45 am
Harold, I’m afraid you countered my facts with a diarrhea of your personal opinions about various Presidents. Did you also neglect to learn that about 78% of our national debt was wracked up by Republican Presidents, the other 22% by Democrats? You obviously are ideologically driven like a right wingnut like Sarah Palin or if you were on the left, a Socialist. I prefer electing someone who will examine the facts and consider things rationally. That is why I’m voting for Obama-Biden.
Posted by: Edward | October 1, 2008, 5:51 am 5:51 am
The 14 Tenets of Fascism:
1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism
2. Disdain for the importance of human rights
3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause
4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism
5. Rampant sexism
6. A controlled mass media
7. Obsession with national security
8. Religion and ruling elite tied together
9. Power of corporations protected
10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated
11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts
12. Obsession with crime and punishment
13. Rampant cronyism and corruption
14. Fraudulent elections
Our new Republican order…
Posted by: pamp205 | October 1, 2008, 6:12 am 6:12 am
The co-founder of the Arab group in question, Columbia University professor Rashid Khalidi, also has held a fundraiser for Obama. Khalidi is a harsh critic of Israel, has made statements supportive of Palestinian terror and reportedly has worked on behalf of the Palestine Liberation Organization while it was involved in anti-Western terrorism and was labeled by the State Department as a terror group.
In 2001, the Woods Fund, a Chicago-based nonprofit that describes itself as a group helping the disadvantaged, provided a $40,000 grant to the Arab American Action Network, or AAAN, for which Khalidi’s wife, Mona, serves as president. The Fund provided a second grant to the AAAN for $35,000 in 2002.
Obama was a director of the Woods Fund board from 1999 to Dec. 11, 2002, according to the Fund’s website. According to tax filings, Obama received compensation of $6,000 per year for his service in 1999 and 2000.
Obama served on the Wood’s Fund board alongside William C. Ayers, a member of the Weathermen terrorist group which sought to overthrow of the U.S. government and took responsibility for bombing the U.S. Capitol in 1971.
Ayers, who still serves on the Woods Fund board, contributed $200 to Obama’s senatorial campaign fund and has served on panels with Obama at numerous public speaking engagements. Ayers admitted to involvement in the bombings of U.S. governmental buildings in the 1970s. He is a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago.
The $40,000 grant from Obama’s Woods Fund to the AAAN constituted about a fifth of the Arab group’s reported grants for 2001, according to tax filings obtained by WND. The $35,000 Woods Fund grant in 2002 also constituted about one-fifth of AAAN’s reported grants for that year.
Posted by: GoUSA247 | October 1, 2008, 6:15 am 6:15 am
What makes a good commander in chief? A decisive one? Bush certainly was decisive. Too bad he was incompetent and dishonest too. During his first presidential campaign he agreed to take a little quiz about international affairs. He completely lost his face in it(couldn’t tell who musharaf was etc), but still Americans trusted him . Then he lied to his country and dragged it into a prolonged and costly war, and stuck to losing tactics for way too long. Still Americans trusted him more in times of crisis then any democrat, and they re-elected him. During his second tenure Afghanistan became a quagmire too and he had to beg NATO partners for troops. Now Mccain is still supporting the same line of thinking that turned America into a deeply indebted and hated nation which is about to lose two wars at once.How can America be that stupid?
To me, a good commander in chief is one who thinks before he acts, and who is honest and flexible, not stubborn and deceitful.A good commander in chief takes the facts as they are, instead of putting ideology above the facts. Those are simple, down to earth principles that shouldn’t even be mentioned, but after Bush, it seems that we have to learn about these simple things again. Obama will bring back honesty and intelligence to the white house, and a real willingness to solve problems instead of proving the perceived superiority of his ideology.
Posted by: karlbelgium | October 1, 2008, 6:17 am 6:17 am
http://www.snopes.com would be a good place for you to go to check things out on either Obama or McCain, etc. before repeating “rumor” as truth.
Posted by: George | October 1, 2008, 6:47 am 6:47 am
Why is it that the media/press etc is most quick to say the President’s approval rating is so low when the Democratic Congress has the lowest rating of 14% approval rating in History? It is clear that the Democrats have drove the U.S. into the ground and their Patriosim should be questioned by an independent counsel ASAP
Posted by: JDR | October 1, 2008, 7:48 am 7:48 am
After what has happened in this country the past almost 8 years, the lies, poor leadership, bad decisions, failed policies, etc., I could not vote republican this year if my own brother were running.
Posted by: Ron | October 1, 2008, 7:54 am 7:54 am
After what has happened in this country the past almost 8 years, the lies, poor leadership, bad decisions, failed policies, etc., I could not vote republican this year if my own brother were running.
Posted by: Ron | October 1, 2008, 7:54 am 7:54 am
Let’s talk policy….Subsidies to
Agri-businesses…gone
Private contractors for government work..gone
Going for Medicare reforms…
Student Loans from the government rather than private banking institutions..
Require automotive manuf to re-tool so that you as American will buy American and not Japan..
National health care reform through insurance companies
Extending unemployment benefits, (your going to need it.)
If you are looking for BIG GOVERNMENT to take care of you dictate your life..Obama’s your guy….BIG BUSINESS is a dirty word within the incoming administration
Posted by: checks and balances | October 1, 2008, 8:02 am 8:02 am
Nothing like hitching one’s wagon to a falling star! My respect for Sen. McCain has diminished considerably in the last few weeks by his own impulsive, ill-conceived choices: Sarah Palin as a potential Commander in Chief (?!!!), ‘suspending’ his campaign, trying to dodge the debate, changing his position on the bailout, and his malevolent and dishonest ads against Sen. Obama – and I am NOT an Obama fan. I thought McCain had more character than I’ve seen demonstrated now that the light is on him. Very disappointing.
Posted by: Bayou947 | October 1, 2008, 8:10 am 8:10 am
If the US tax payers are being forced to bail out Wall Street for $700 billion, not counting AIG, Automotive, failed banks to the tune of nearly $2 trillion (is that really a number??), then I need to vote for someone who can entertain me for the next 4 years!
It has to be McCain and Palin..Imagine the fodder they will provide to all the comics. Besides it will keep Tina Fay on SNL..
Posted by: max khan | October 1, 2008, 8:26 am 8:26 am
“If he wins” Will he take the oath of office on the Bible, The Koran, or neither. That would be a dramatic moment don’t you agree? lock & load!
Posted by: bombem | October 1, 2008, 9:25 am 9:25 am
help Sarah Palin clean up Washington, visit http://www.sarahpalinhasaposse.com
Posted by: bible clinger | October 1, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am
Imagine that the American Obama Channel (ABC) has him out front…..suprise suprise
Posted by: Suprised | October 1, 2008, 11:12 am 11:12 am
Imagine that the American Obama Channel (ABC) has him out front…..suprise suprise
——————
You’re smoking dope if you think ABC is the only one who has Obama in the lead. There are about a dozen major polling organizations and 100% of them have Obama in the lead. No one, not even FOX News has McCAIN wining. I blame McCAIN’s pick of PALIN.
With so many truely qualified women in the GOP ranks, why PALIN?
Go to Republicansforobama.org OR vetsforobama.org
Posted by: Republican for Obama | October 1, 2008, 11:28 am 11:28 am
McCain is losing because of the fact that Americans see what has happened to our country under a Republican President. The Republicans have played the smae tricks to get Bush elected twise and hopefully the American public can see those tricks for what they are. I can not think of one thing that Bush has done that is positive and affects my life. No Child Left Behind is a joke, we are in TWO wars, we are so deep debt we should be bankrupt, we are the laughing stock of the world…what next? Maybe that should be question Americans ask themselves this voting cycle “What has Bush done for me lately?”. ;-)
Posted by: Francheska Georgia | October 1, 2008, 11:36 am 11:36 am
Vote ‘No’ to the bailout-Resuce Plan. The New Plan, puts Humpty Dumpty back onthe Wall Street. Wall Street is the seperation, between The 5% and the 95%. The New Revisions, only make Wall Street in control again. We wil once again loose our ‘Independence’. Why would anyone support, the New Bill, will only bring forth a Credit Line of ‘Mass Destruction.’Please vote ‘No’ to ‘Wall Street’. No More Division.
Let Americans own their own homes. By Saving Wall Street, They can still own Your Houses, and later, evven raise the intrest rate, to earn themselves more money.
Vote Independant.
WallStreet will Buy McCains ‘WIN’
Remember Clintons Suprise?
Take it to the Bank, That these stall tactics, is a Nixon-Clinton-Bush-McCain set-up.
Follow the trail Back to the Beginning.
Watch CNN and MSNBC
Call Your Congress and Say NO
Posted by: historyremembered | October 1, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
i think we are lossing our every thing becouse of bush and as we know meccan said i voet 90% of at the time with bush so do we need more 4 years the same with the stuped idea of meccan no. right know we need real change like obama and biden that is the key of the economy to put back in truck thanks i am tomes simth from virgnia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: voter | October 1, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
My best friend is a Republican and I am a Democrat. We argue all the time. One thing we realized about this mess. Is that the CEO’s were greedy. The homeowners bit off more than they can chew. The congress looked the other way both parties did. The blame game is not neccesary. We need to be looking ahead. I think the defining factor of this election is who would be better suited to handle the economic crisis. Not to mention the deficit caused by either a just or unjust war. We need more regulation. McCain has voted against regulation multiple times. We need tax cuts for the middle class which Senator McCain wouldn’t even mention in the debate. Can anyone in here see Sarah Palin handling the economy and putting forth solutions to solve this crisis?
Posted by: Jeff California | October 1, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
Sarah Palin for VP no way.
Posted by: watcher | October 1, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
Dear Fellow American:
Never before in the history of our nation have we faced such a grave crisis: one of the most radical political figures ever to be nominated by a major party is just minutes away from becoming President of the United States.
That man is Barack Obama.
He promises to change America forever. If elected, he will do just that — but in ways you make not like.
Remember Obama is the most liberal member of the United States Senate.
He received a 100 percent Liberal Rating from the National Journal, making him the most left-wing Senator in Washington — more liberal than even Democratic senators like Ted Kennedy.
If you look at Obama’s record, you will understand just how dangerous this man is.
He even has terrorist friends he won’t denounce. One such man is William Ayers, a leader in the radical terrorist group the Weatherman Underground. The group bombed several government buildings, including the Pentagon, killing civilians and police officers.
In 2001, Ayers said he had no regrets for his actions and wished he could have done more.
The ties between Obama and Ayers are tight. Both served on two non profit boards and they worked closely together. Ayers even hosted a political event at his home for Obama.
Obama has acknowledged he is a friend of Ayers and defends his association by saying he, Obama, was only 8 years old at the time of the Pentagon bombing.
However, Obama has no explanation as to why he is still a friend of Ayers.
Obama has even been endorsed by radicals such as Nation of Islam Leader Louis Farrakhan.
No one can deny hearing about Obama’s relationship with the America-hating Rev. Jeremiah Wright.
There should be little doubt that William Ayers and Louis Farrakhan and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright are rooting for Obama — because he is one of them.
In keeping with such friends, Obama has promised to meet with radical leaders like Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad without “preconditions” even though Ahmadinejad has promised to “wipe Israel off the map” and “destroy” America.
Even radical Hamas terrorists have praised him.
“We like Mr. Obama and we hope he will win the election,” Ahmed Yousef, senior Hamas leader was quoted by ABC radio as saying.
Posted by: GoUSA247 | October 1, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
Hey guys, the ELECTION IS CANNED! It doesnt matter who you vote for. Wake up people, its like voting for the left or right of the same fascist government.
Go to infowars.com
Wake up, Jesus is coming soon.
Posted by: comazzi | October 1, 2008, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
Hopefully, Obama’s ties to ACORN will be investigated and made public prior to the election. The following information is condensed from an article by Stanley Kurtz. O’s Dangerous Pals.Fannie and Freddie acted in response to Clinton administration pressure to boost homeownership rates among minorities and the poor. However compassionate the motive, the result of this systematic disregard for normal credit standards has been financial disaster. ONE key pioneer of ACORN’s subprime-loan shakedown racket was Madeline Talbott – an activist with extensive ties to Barack Obama. She was also in on the ground floor of the disastrous turn in Fannie Mae’s mortgage policies.Obama Trains ACORN Staff in Shakedown Tactics: It would be tough to find an “on the ground” community organizer more closely tied to the subprime-mortgage fiasco than Madeline Talbott. And no one has been more supportive of Madeline Talbott than Barack Obama. When Obama was just a budding community organizer in Chicago, Talbott was so impressed that she asked him to train her personal staff. He returned to Chicago in the early ’90s, just as Talbott was starting her pressure campaign on local banks. In those years, he also conducted leadership-training seminars for ACORN’s up-and-coming organizers. That is, Obama was training the army of ACORN organizers who participated in Madeline Talbott’s drive against Chicago’s banks. More than that, Obama was funding them. As he rose to a leadership role at Chicago’s Woods Fund, he became the most powerful voice on the foundation’s board for supporting ACORN and other community organizers. In 1995, the Woods Fund substantially expanded its funding of community organizers – and Obama chaired the committee that urged and managed the shift.
Posted by: prm | October 1, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
Independents:
Anyone who hasn’t made up their mind about this election hasn’t been paying attention to this campaign or politics for the last 70 years. There is nothing new here.
Obama is a solid member of the neosocialist* left determined to change what is left of American capitalism – first into a full blown social democratic state and then, as capitalism collapses under the ever increasing weight of social democratic policies, into a purely socialist state, all the while blaming capitalism and its “excesses”.
McCain is a moderate Democrat determined to make the middle work. The fact that he is also a defense hawk doesn’t make him a Republican, nor does the fact that he chose Sarah, who is.
All of the talk in the world won’t change this fundamental difference.
If you want to move this country farther down the road to socialism, Obama and the Democrats are your clear choice.
If you really do want the bipartisanship middle of the road approach many profess to want, McCain is your choice.
If, like me, you want something else, too bad, so sad.
If you’re too unaware or too stupid to know what you want, call yourself an independent and make up your mind over the media and ideology derived and driven “issues” and the biases they choose to push at the moment.
It really is just that simple.
* neosocialist: a socialist who refuses to accept the abject failure of 20th century socialist experience and who seeks to hide his socialist ambitions behind an incremental approach, bastardization of language, and evocative images of “equality” that could only be achieved under the boot of state sponsored socialism, but wouldn’t even then.
Posted by: R U Kidding | October 1, 2008, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
Nobody likes George W. Bush. I think I am going to get a “Bush ‘nobody likes me’ T-shirt” from http://www.zazzle.com/ (Retrieved October 1, 2008, from http://www.zazzle.com/bush_nobody_likes_me_shirt-235822140499074999). I encourage others to get the same T-shirt. Submitted by Andrew Yu-Jen Wang; B.S., With the Highest Level of Academic Honors at Graduation, 1996; Messiah College, Grantham, PA
Posted by: Andrew Wang | October 1, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
I am a life long Republican who has never liked George Bush. I campaigned for John McCain in 2000 and was very disappointed to see Bush win. Not a day goes by that I do not think Bush has seriously damaged the Republican party, and most likely, McCain’s chances for the White House. Now, that being said, Obama is not antedote for Bush or a decent alternative for the American people. I am certain that if Bush had not lied to everyone under the sun about various issues and been so arrogant and incompetent, Obama would be a distant memory and John McCain would be the next President of the United States. In essense, the people would rather put Castro in the White House than another Republican. Hence, Obama’s popularity. That is sad and in the end, the American people will lose and be stuck with the inexperienced liberal that is Barack Obama. God help us all.
Posted by: Lisa Again | October 1, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm
Oh, the joker who posted the 14 tenets! You are so funny! Well, you would be funny if you weren’t so far removed from Truth.
Posted by: Lisa Again | October 1, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
What is up with you “Independents?” I think you guys are just people who cannot make up your minds, or don’t know your own minds as well as a four year old. What a blight on the politcal process.
Posted by: Lisa Again | October 1, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
Re: Posting By: Hussein_Islam_Obama | Sep 30, 2008 8:07:08 PM
Don’t forget Ahmed Ali Chandoo, Hasnain Chandoo, Mohammed Askari Chandoo, Mohammed Hasan Chandoo, Wahid Hamid, and Hasan Chandio…And the trip Obama took to Pakistan, with the Chandoo brothers, during the early 80s. You know who else was in the area at this time, don’t you? The Chandoo family and Wahid Habid, all Palastanians, have given nearly a $1 million to Obama campaigns. But everybody already knows all this because the MSM keep “vetting” the candidates, keeping us informed, making sure we are aware. Can you imagin what the MSM would do if Palin had such radical friends. If you don’t think the Chandoo Brothers are radical and hell bent to destroy this country, then go to their website and read what they are saying about the USA.
Posted by: Percy | October 1, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
OKAY, OBAMA’S POLL NUMBERS ARE GOING UP, BUT , , ,
, , , it is not just due to Bush/McSame’s market deregulations policies that has driven up Obama-Biden numbers, , , , , it is also because Hillary Clinton has been plowing the roads ahead of Obama-Biden.
Today Hillary was on her 40th Obama-Biden election campaign speech in the past 6-weeks.
Hillary Clinton – - You Go, Girl!!
Hillary Clinton for U.S. Secretary of State!!!
Posted by: Perusing-Through | October 1, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm
The USA Dream Team 2008-2012
President – Barack Obama
Vice President – John McCain
Secretary of State – Wesley Clark
Secretary of Treasury – Ron Paul
OR
President – John McCain
Vice President – Barack Obama
Secretary of State – Wesley Clark
Secretary of Treasury – Ron Paul
Posted by: joe from ne-philly | October 1, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
Why is 250K a year such an inflammatory number?
2 incomes, paying off student loans, a mortgage, college accounts for their children, 2K a month for daycare, insurance, retirement accounts, etc.
Sounds like the 250K a year families are the backbone of this country.
Why penalize them because they didn’t let life happen to them?
Posted by: Kate | October 1, 2008, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
What I find interesting is the high number of millionaire Hollywood idols, sport players, etc, those with much dinero, supporting Obama. Yet Obama maintains he is for the middle and lower class.
S, considering Obama’s private schooling and Harvard degree, and his 22,000/year tithe to his church whose Pastor(?) despises American principles, WHO REALLY IS THE ELITIST in this election?
Posted by: lilij | October 1, 2008, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
What I find interesting is the high number of millionaire Hollywood idols, sport players, etc, those with much dinero, supporting Obama. Yet Obama maintains he is for the middle and lower class.
S, considering Obama’s private schooling and Harvard degree, and his 22,000/year tithe to his church whose Pastor(?) despises American principles, WHO REALLY IS THE ELITIST in this election?
Posted by: lilij | October 1, 2008, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm
Every anti-Obama post I’ve seen on this board is filled with venomous, reactionary, tripe. If you oppose Obama, it’s not good enough to say he’s a liberal, or a terrorist – that’s obviously far-fetched, desperate Rovian swift-boating. If you really believe McCain and Palin are better suited to lead this country out of the desperate trouble Bush and his cronies have got us into, for the love of god EXPLAIN WHY. I’m ready to listen; until then, I’m voting Obama.
Posted by: Tom | October 1, 2008, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm
McCain is a drag on himself.
Palin is NOT QUALIFIED.
So much whining and pity partying from the Republicans.
After 8 years of bad policies that are destroying this country, no one is interested in your whining. NOT INTERESTED.
Posted by: Independent | October 1, 2008, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm
Congradulations McCain for your win.
Obama should have seen to his grandmothers poverty first (years ago) before he tried to clean up Americas back yard.
Why is his grandmother still living in such abject poverty if Obama is the hero he makes out to be?
It would have taken just a few of his American dollars to help her build a better shack.
OBAMA SHAME ON YOU.
Posted by: Nick | October 16, 2008, 3:57 am 3:57 am
This independent will be voting for McCain and Palin.
Posted by: Michelle | October 25, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm
This independent will be voting for McCain and Palin.
Posted by: Michelle | October 25, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm