Race & The Vote (Cont’d)

I’ve just read an excerpt from Michelle Obama’s Princton Thesis, and frankly,,,,,,it’s quite disturbing. — I can say this because as a senior in high school, I was bussed from my neighborhood school to one in the inner city, “with lots of problems” as a means to counter that type of thought process. — Michelle Obama’s intellectually refined racism should give all
Americans pause for deep concern.
Now maybe she’s changed, but she sure sounds like someone with an axe to
grind with America . Will the press let Michelle get a free pass over her obviously
racist comment about American whites? I am sure that it will.

In her senior thesis at Princeton , Michele Obama, the wife of Barack Obama stated that America was a nation founded on ‘crime and hatred’.
Moreover, she stated that whites in America were ‘ineradicably racist’.
The 1985 thesis, titled ‘Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community’ was written under her maiden name, Michelle LaVaughn Robinson.
Michelle Obama stated in her thesis that to ‘Whites at Princeton , it often seems as if, to them, she will always be Black first…’ However, it was reported by a fellow black classmate, ‘If those ‘Whites at Princeton ‘ really saw Michelle as one who always would ‘be Black first,’ it seems that she gave them that impression’.
Most alarming is Michele Obama’s use of the terms ‘separationist’ and ‘integrationist’ when describing the views of black people.
Mrs. Obama clearly identifies herself with a ‘separationist’ view of race.
‘By actually working with the Black lower class or within their communities as a result of their ideologies, a separationist may better understand the desperation of their situation and feel more hopeless about a resolution as opposed to an integrationist who is ignorant to their plight.’
Obama writes that the path she chose by attending Princeton would likely lead to her ‘further integration and/or assimilation into a white cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full participant.’
Michele Obama clearly has a chip on her shoulder.

What racist comment about American whites?
You say you just read them, well what are they?

Its sad to think that in today’s world people are still so ignorant of the facts. As a white person, I can only say that these ‘white’ folks are a true emabrrassment to the entire nation.

The most religious parts of the country also seem to be the most racist. I hope some of these folks can stop the cycle of racism and find the true definition of their faith.

Planewizard,
I read Michelle Obama’s thesis. That was her perspective 20+ years ago. Don’t you remember your high school and college years. Everyone had their own cliques. In this case; Princeton… everyone stuck with their own kind. She was uncomfortable and felt as if she didn’t belong.
You conservatives can’t fault her for that.
People forget that Obama is HALF WHITE and raised by the white half of his family.
Your guy McCain is down in EVERY poll and EVERY swing state poll. I guess the GOP want to use to fear tactics. Not this year. The Dems finally nominated a fighter.

I think most people’s stereotypes of race are really based on economic and education disparities. Race is just an easy way to explain away our problems.
I grew up in an affluent Republican suburb and I’ll vote for Obama without hesitation. I don’t think the Republican policies of deregulation have served this country well.

Mack, I’ll never change your mind, but I think there are many people who do understand. Poverty and ignorance breed crime. If you think the education we provide to inner city students is on par with the students in affluent suburbs, then there is no point trying to engage. It’s not a race issue, it’s a poverty issue.
I’ve seen your posts before and they aren’t terribly elegant or compelling so don’t feel like you need to respond. I already know where you stand.

mogo, That’s so silly. If you feel guilt that’s your issue. Vote for the candidate you think will do the best job. The Republicans have brought us eight years of bad policy, so for me it’s Obama. If I need validation, then I’ll ask someone I love for a hug.

mogo, Someday you’ll become a Jedi. Think for yourself and let the force guide you. Nobody can make you feel something except you.

This is actually getting rather tiring. As we dissect white voters’ secret agendas – let’s look at this fact:
97% OF BLACK VOTERS VOTING FOR THE BLACK CANDIDATE
I have personally asked many people supporting Obama what it is about him that they like – not “hope” and “change,” but specific policies. Except for 4 individuals (and I’ve asked/posted blogs asking probably 300-400 people this question), I have never gotten a specific answer to this. What I have received is:
1. He’s a Democract (voting party line only);
2. He’s black with a historic campaign;
3. He’s not a Republican (voting party line only again);
4. He’ll “change” the country – with no specific way he’ll change it. Apparently, Obama just being president will change the U.S.
In the vast majority of exchanges I’ve had with Obama supporters, it’s gone: “Why do you support him?”
“He’s change/hope”
“Yes, but how will he accomplish that?”
“He’s change/hope”
“I understand, but what specifically will he do to accomplish that?”
“You’re a racist” or “You want to hold the black people down” or “You’re afraid of change” or “You’re a Republican trying to pretend to be a Democrat” (I was a Democrat supporting Hillary Clinton.)
So, how are many of these Obama supporters NOT racist, and why doesn’t the media cover that? Could it be fear? White guilt? I don’t know, but I’m not going to be guilted or pressured into voting for a candidate whom I don’t believe is good for our country.

I look at the alleged voter fraud and I look at the vast numbers of blacks who are (many of them have said outright) voting for Obama simply because he is black, and I don’t understand how that’s not racism.
If Obama really is different and change from the norm, why would he want to win this election in great part (apparently) due to the color of his skin?
They talk about the “Bradley effect,” but I wonder more about the “white guilt” effect. How many people are bowing to the pressure and abuse they’ve suffered at the hands of Obama supporters?

Lots of guilt out there folks, just vote on the issues.
Obama has had a steady hand throughout this crisis. McCain has looked like the recent stock market graphs (volatile).

Lots of Greeks voted for Michael Dukakis is 1988. Is that racist or just identifying with a candidate?
I think racism comes in when you don’t vote for a qualified candidate solely because of their race.
You can twist and turn and revolt against political correctness, but the arguments aren’t holding up folks.
Obama is winning because he has been discussing the issues and showing his composure under pressure.

Wow, Planewizard. I have to hand it to you. You actually read a thesis and understood it??? Amazing. Most of McCain/Palin supporters couldn’t read a sentence from the back of a cereal box and understand what it said. Sorry you were so “disturbed” by what she had to say. Sadly, what she said was true and that was her perspective back in 1985. You wouldn’t want to hear what my perspective was back in 1968, I assure you, when this Nation was engaged in another “illegal” War and Nixon got elected President. Ugh, talk about nasty times.

The Obama campaign has been playing the race card over and over again. This is a campaign that in the primaries succeeded in painting Bill Clinton as a racist. Now, Clinton, with all of his flaws, this is a man who throughout his career from Governor of Arkansas to president of the United States and beyond, has been a great and sincere friend of African-Americans who shared and tried to advance their aspirations. So if you can pull off a trick like that on Bill Clinton, you can pull it off on Republicans.

All we ever hear about is how race will have a bearing on the election. But only in the sense of bias against the “black” candidate. We never hear about the vote for the “black” candidate based soley on the fact he is black. Is the fear of being politically correct the reason which prevents the media from reporting on this side of the race vote? Let’s be fair and not just show one side of the coin! Or are we afraid of offending certain people?

MadMex,
I think people identify with people who are similar to themselves. If they like a candidate’s positions, then their bias moves towards the candidate who is more like themselves. That is not the same as not voting for someone simply because you think that their race somehow makes them inferior.
These things are complicated.
Obama is winning because of the economy — not because he has the support of most of the African American community.

I was born white,i’m white and i”ll
die white regargless who’s president.
A black president will be a backfire
for blacks in america…..

dilligaf, Do you watch Fox News?

I disagree with your comment on people saying they are for Obama and then not voting for him because of color. A lot of the whites are voting strictly for their party regardless of what they believe or color. The blacks are voting strictly color. I would bet that at least 90% of the new registered voters are black and they have been encouraged to vote because of color. Some of these new voters have been pushed to register and can barely read, write and are not tax paying citizens. These are citizens that are already getting everything for free. The news media are already biased and pushing Obama. I hope you are ready for the changes that you want so much. Maybe,with the new changes I can join the free ranks also. Thanks

Susan Tinch,
Poor people can vote too.

I’ve heard plenty of people like you say that, and i’ve heard the liberal media say that but I believe obama has a hidden agenda so I don’t pay much attention to liberals, especially obama supporting liberal news.

dilligaf, Sounds like your drinking the Republican Kool Aid. Thinking people are capable of reading an article and determining whether or not there is bias. I look at CNN and Fox News sites, among others. “Liberal Media”, “Elitist”, these terms are used to dumb down the electorate. You do know the “Liberal Media” is owned by publicly traded corporations?
Obama will win on the issues, despite your silly conspiracies.

BARACK OBAMA IS NOT BLACK OR WHITE… HE IS BOTH RACES AND WE AS “AMERICANS,” MUST KNOW BY THIS DAY AND TIME THAT WE YOUNG AMERICANS DO NOT CARE ABOUT WHAT COLOR OR RACE YOU ARE. AS LONG AS WHEN YOU WAKE UP IN THE MORNING YOU GO TO WORK OR GO TO SCHOOL AND DO THE VERY BEST JOB YOU KNOW HOW. WE HAVE TO GIVE HIS MOTHER HER CREDIT. BARACK WAS NOT RAISED BY HIS FATHER WHO WAS AFRICAN, HE WAS RAISED BY HIS MOTHER AND HER PARENTS WHO WERE ALL OF CAUCASIAN DECENT. THOSE WHO DON’T LIKE THE IDEA OF MIXING RACES NEED TO LOOK AT EACH AND EVERY RACE OUT HERE… NONE OF US ARE ANY “ONE” RACE, WE ARE ALL MIXED WHETHER YOU ARE ITALIAN AND GERMAN, SWEDEN AND PORTUGUESE OR IF YOUR WEST INDIAN AND AFRICAN. NO MATTER WHAT RACE YOU ARE, REMEMBER THAT WE ARE ALL HUMAN FIRST, AND THIS COUNTRY BELONGS TO ALL OF US. BARACK HAS WHAT IT TAKES AND WE AS YOUNG AMERICANS WHAT TO SEE JUST WHAT HE’S MADE OF

hummm…if you can’t read and article and sniff out the bias you shouldn’t be posting here. BTW kool-aid drinking was started for the dems that are blindly following an empty suit canidate that, no matter what gets said, would not be on the ticket if he were not black. Now your Plagiarizing the repubs.

ummm like do you read the papers?
they ,and a host of other gov agencies have been snooping for years ,and keeping all kinds of lists…how about your credit report or your job history? i can look both up right now using any st address.
didnt you just read where evel kneivels fbi file was released…wake up dude ,this isnt 1776. personal freedoms CANNOT be at the expense of the greater good of the nation and public at large ,if thats socialism to you then you are in big trouble over the next 20 years or so .
i say thats ok. i dont have too much to hide… do you?
i definitely want the sex offenders,the racists ,and the terrorists and the nutjobs to be watched and kept track of ,and if you dont then you are probably in a very small minority.

I have to go to work now, bah.
It’s been fun chatting with you.
(don’t say too much,okay?
don’t want the FBI to ‘catch on’ -
- to all this great fun-

1984….well i define a racist like the gov. defines porn…i know it when i see it/smell it… but if you want racism defined as per the law, then just read the state statute where you live that defines racism as it applies to the state where you live(alaska?)
also ,you can look up the federal statutes if you like as well. they define illegal racism very nicely and any citizen can be put in jail for racist acts ,but NEVER DID I SAY RACIST THOUGHTS.as long as racists arent violent or illegal activity , or do not promote violence or illegal activity, they can indeed be part of the american system ,albeit a very tiny dysfunctional annoying unseemly sector of it.
and what about terrorists ? do we let them make plans and construe destruction ,waiting until they actually do something before we act….NO
its called “pro active” intervention, and we can and should do some thing similar with known violent racists and anyone else who breaks laws if need be under the homeland security laws the republican have left us liberals.
as long as the racists keep their ugly thoughts to themselves there isnt a problem but then they begin to make public threats of violence and violent acts and incite others to do the same , those people are threats to the national security of this nation ,and that kind of behavior cannot be tolerated or condoned.
for example ,the kkk. the kkk can exist ,racist as they are because they know they are being watched night and day ,and they really CANT do anything illegal or they will be busted immediately. the fbi and others keep a constant watch on the known trouble makers, and thats what they are paid taxpayer $$ to do.
kkk= neutered by the anti racism laws which let them have and voice their moronic opinion(s), but only as far as the law will allow ,which is ,i think proper government policy per the requirements of the constitution.
and additionally, youre the nutjob insinuating that i am condoning random nazi republican style check points and illegal searches . anyway ,thats nothing different than what is done now every day under the heading of ” homeland security” .
racists (and terrorists, and sex offenders )make my homeland less secure for me, therefor i want laws to ensure they are no threat ,and if that means a list of certain people must be compiled and updated to keep the majority safe,well that sounds like a plan to me.
1984 .. i see who is “afraid” of “big brother” now….

Obama is 50% Black and 50% White. I see you asking whites if they’ll not vote for Obama because he’s black but I don’t see you asking blacks if they’ll not vote for him because he’s 50% white.

There is no chance Obama will be elected President
The Truth is Screaming Out that “Obama will not be elected President” and nobody will talk about the real reason why.
The Big Elephant in the room is race. Obama needs a significant number of white voters to vote for him in order to win. So far, the vast majority of likely white voters when ask say they have no problem voting for a black candidate. As you can see, in the polls Obama and McCain have been tied or even McCain sometimes ahead, despite McCain advocating essentially to continue all of the policies for the last 8 years of the Bush administration. These policy that have devastated this country, with devastation in almost all areas, Jobs, Quality and Affordable Education, Health Insurance, Housing, Banking, Energy Cost, Environment, Food Safety, Trade, the Military and Veterans, and llittle respect for us from the Nations around the World. It should be noted that the Very Rich and Corporations have prospered tremendously.
For most Whites and all Americans it is clear that this country is in bad shape and getting worse for everyone except the Very Rich and the Greedy Corporations. This Election should be such a slam dump for the democrats that they need only say that they’re not going to do what the Republican would do. — Landslide for the Democrats!
I ask myself why would any American not vote for someone who would just promise to do something different from what Bush and the Republicans have done for the last 8 years, not withstanding someone that would also promise to commit the government to help the Middle Class, create and retain good paying Jobs in U.S., lower Energy Costs and help American keep their homes. That answer is Race.
Whites are looking for any excuse not to vote for Obama and not be called a racist. Evidenced all of the irrelevant accusations, such as that he is not patriotic (won’t wear a Flag lapel pin), is a Muslim, an Elitist, his wife hates America. All of these things which are so obviously ridiculous and need no reply, yet you have the Media and whites saying that he needs to address these issues farther because the American Public just don’t know enough about him. What a Sham! Yes, many Whites whether consciously or unconsciously will be voting on a racists bias that they won’t admit to publicly and they will justify not voting for Obama because of these ridiculous accusations.
The Truth is that large number of whites while saying they have no objections to a black person being president will go in to the privacy of the voting booth fearing the reality that if they vote for the person that will benefit them and this country the most would make a black man president and they will not vote for Obama.
You could be running a “Jack in The Box” against McCain and The “Jack in The Box” would be well ahead in the polls and would win big time, but Obama won’t win because he is black.