By Thomas Nagorski

Nov 17, 2008 3:19pm

Did I Say ‘No Timetables’? Never Mind…

From ABC’s Martha Raddatz: While we have all been focused on the next president, the current president has done a major turnaround on the Iraq war. Remember those "timetables" for withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq that President George Bush said were unacceptable? Not only unacceptable, he said, but dangerous. In fact, even asking about timetables made you feel downright treasonous. I remember back in 2007 when Mr. Bush said emphatically that "An artificial timetable of withdrawal would say to an enemy, just wait them out." Not only did he accuse his opponents of aiding the enemy, he also accused them of "discouraging" the troops. Even when things on the security front began to improve this summer, the president would hear nothing of timetable talk. At a press conference in July, Bush said he was "strongly" rejecting any "artificial" timetable. Sen. John McCain echoed the president’s concerns, accusing his then opponent Barack Obama of waving a white flag. "Senator Obama says that he wants us out of Iraq under a timetable," McCain said. "My friends, setting a date for withdrawal is a date for surrender; I will never surrender in Iraq." Well, you can forget all of that talk. Instead of "Bring ‘em on," President Bush is basically now saying "Bring ‘em home." After years of saying "no timetables," the Bush administration today applauded an agreement that Iraq’s cabinet has approved calling for a full withdrawal of American forces by the end of 2011, regardless of conditions on the ground. That’s right — all U.S. forces out of Iraq by 2011. Why the turnaround? The official White House statement says, "The agreements covering security, economic, political as well as diplomatic relations would not be possible if security conditions were not vastly improved.  This progress has been made possible by the great work of American forces, the courage of the Iraqi people and the increasing capacity and strength of the Iraqi Security Forces." But, Mr. President, what about the enemy? Doesn’t that signal to the enemy that there is a firm pullout date? Won’t they be lying in wait, as you had suggested? And what if "conditions" change? The bottom line: Isn’t this going back on everything the White House said it believed? Gordon Johndroe, the National Security spokesman was succinct in his response to that question today, saying, "Security conditions are so improved, you can set a date." Of course, when that date rolls around, George W. Bush will be long gone.

User Comments

There might be just a tiny bit of difference in announcing time tables when multible bombings are occuring daily as to announcing them now when the situation is somewhat safe.
I am glad the current press corps were not around for WW2 or they would have been pressing FDR on troop timetables a few days after Pearl Harbor.

Posted by: david | November 17, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm

No one will have to recognize any time tables….Hawaii Revised Statue 338-178 allows registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born OUTSIDE OF HAWAII to parents who, for a year preceding the child’s birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence”. Mr. Obama’s sister was born in Indonesia but has a Certification of Birth stating she was born in Hawaii. This is why all the suits across the country as “Elect Obama” has continually refused to show his “original birth certificate” only the same Certification of birth. He has hired attorneys to fight this in the court system. The Health Department in Hawaii says that he has a birth certificate but will NOT STATE any information on the certificate. We’ve elected a man President of the US that was not a “natural born citizen”….we’ve trashed the US Constitution.

Posted by: Anne | November 17, 2008, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm

Anne,
Get over it already! How many times are you golks going to re-visit this birth certificate issue? He is the President! He is the President! He is the President! The birth certificate says he was born in Hawaii. Crawl back under your rock.

Posted by: Pauline | November 17, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm

He didn’t exactly have much choice. They finally got their act together enough to kick us out. Half of Iraq thinks it isn’t soon enough.

Posted by: jock59801 | November 17, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm

Anne
What? It’s time to give this nonsense up.

Posted by: unshrub | November 17, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm

Anne – What do you mean that “No one will have to recognize any time tables?”
Even if everything else you said is true (which we know it is not), we would still have a President, one way or another.

Posted by: jock59801 | November 17, 2008, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm

If the ABC reporter had bothered to check the facts regarding the situation in Iraq she might understand why discussion of a timed withdrawal is now acceptable.
Oh wait, I forgot, ABC never checks the facts in their attempts to discredit the Bush Administration.
I wonder if they’ll bother to report with the Obama Regime begins to suspend the Bill of Rights.

Posted by: South_Texan | November 17, 2008, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm

Do these slime-balls (Bush & neocons) really think that we are that stupid not to see through their lies and diversions, to see how their story changes according to the political situation they find themselves in? This scum truly belongs in prison.

Posted by: Mike | November 17, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm

Anne,
1) The Obama birth certificate myth is too easily to busted with a quick Internet search. You can find an image of the certificate in about a minute if you try.
2) Doesn’t matter, his mother was from Kansas, that makes him a “natural born citizen” regardless of where he was born
3) You lost, the only way for democracy to work is for people to accept when they lose.

Posted by: GreggW | November 17, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm

Hate to disappoint you there, Greggie boy…The U.S. Constitution I studied says children born on foreign soil are NOT considered “natural born citizens” unless BOTH parents are U.S. citizens.
Regardless of whether or not I believe the ‘birth certificate’ hoopla, let the chips fall where they may!

Posted by: Lee | November 17, 2008, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm

The timetable I care most about is the one where Bush withdraws on on January 20.

Posted by: hey Scoob | November 17, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm

This is a great strategy on the Republican front – now during elections in 2012 they will be able to claim that it was Bush who proposed the withdrawl of troops, not Obama.

Posted by: Greg | November 17, 2008, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm

Clearly President Bush hates America, hates and is trying to discourage the U.S. troops, and wants the terrorists to win. Either that or everything this administration has been telling us the last 8 years has been a load of crapola.

Posted by: Sean | November 17, 2008, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm

Gee Martha, you are so smart. (Shall I add caddy?) Imagine his saying one thing when things were going badly and then changing his mind now that things are going well. My goodness, you’d think that he were a…well, a Liberal.

Posted by: Jan | November 17, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm

This Bush Adminstration is the most hypocritical we have had and willl go down as the worst Administration in modern US history.
Even Hoover did better. At leaset we named somethinh after him.
George W. Bush will not deserve anything named after him. Or may be “The George W. Bush Iraq War Memorial” with the names of all US service men and women who died needlessly in this war etched on its walls.

Posted by: Steve_NJ | November 17, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm

OK, Lee, we concede. Let Biden be the President, because of your say so.

Posted by: bob | November 17, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm

Anne-South_Texan & Lee: Your hero, George Snidley Whiplash is about to leave the White House after 8 miserable years of dumbness. The next president IS a citizen and if you want to play pretend, head for the playground and play to your hearts’ delight. Your guy lost, we finally have a leader who has America’s interests at heart, not his own.

Posted by: Walt | November 17, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm

Lee,
Actually, you are also incorrect regarding children born outside of the US if one is a citizen and the other is not. According to:
§ 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth:
(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents ONE of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;
.

Posted by: Pauline | November 17, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm

This love fest will likely change our world… More government in healthcare, banking and “private” business. “Real Change We Can Live With” is… the “change” left over after your dollars have been redistributed by the chums on the hill that now have no restraint by the executive branch. Folks… hang on to your wallets…

Posted by: John Undewood | November 17, 2008, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm

Since when does our timetable for withdrawal have to pass Iraqi parliament first? We went in without permission, we can leave without permission. Iraqi support for our withdrawal, my donkey.

Posted by: Sheila | November 17, 2008, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm

Let me explain this to all of you libs and ABC. We won the war. You do not set time tables half way through the war to withdraw, you do it when it is over. Any questions?

Posted by: Billy Bob | November 17, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm

Mr. Lee,
Better reread the Constitution. It says “No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.” This section has never been amended and there is no definition in the document of what natural born means.
Perhaps yu can explain about the both parents thing.

Posted by: DavidRE | November 17, 2008, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm

Billy Bob, Exactly what did we win?

Posted by: bob | November 17, 2008, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm

To even say this is nonsense. The situation in Iraq now is very different now than when Bush said no timetables. At that time the troops were still fighting. Its fairly quiet there now. For Martha Raddatz to even try to equate the two is simply stupid politics. How else are we suppose to organize the troops withdrawing? Just jump in and in a day move them?

Posted by: Andy Garza | November 17, 2008, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm

Ahhh, still yammering that birth certificate crap. I guess that when shrubbo is basically punting his entire legacy to the curb that’s all your RW losers have left.
President Barack Hussein Obama… President Barack Hussein Obama…
Get used to it, the man was born in Hawaii and is the first man to reside in the White House since 2000.

Posted by: Peter Jackson | November 17, 2008, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm

Seems to me that there is a vast difference between your host declaring that they think they’ll have the situation under control and that you can leave them to handle it and us saying well we’re half way through this and I want to win a “historic election” so I’ll tell everyone that we’ll come home regardless of the situation or the likely consequences.

Posted by: Marie | November 17, 2008, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm

I hate to be the one to tell you that what you are viewing is NOT the Birth Certificate of OBAMA but a Certification of Birth! Anyone could get them in Hawaii and not be born there that is their rules. We know this is the case definitely for Obama’s sister even though she has a Certification of Birth she was born in Indonesia. WHY NOT CHECK? Why does Mr. Obama hire attorneys….just simply show the “original birth certificate” to the public and it says where he was born with a doctor’s signature. He can’t…he broke the law and he knows it. So trash the Constitution and believe what you are being told and DO NOT investigate it….you get what you deserve…you LOSE AMERICA.

Posted by: Anne | November 17, 2008, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm

Bob, we finished what we started and did not allow alqueda and Iran to control Iraq. I would hate to see what the Dems outcome would have been.

Posted by: Billy Bob | November 17, 2008, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm

Right. Because in WWII we invaded Europe preemptively and with out provocation, WMD, or preexisting NAZI ties, and promised French oil revenue would pay for it all.
Right. These 2 wars are exactly the same thing, and the press corp are treasoners for daring to ask questions. Because if the US stands for anything, it’s being threatened into keeping your mouth shut?

Posted by: Ben | November 17, 2008, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm

President Barack Hussein Obama HA HA HA HA HA HA
I love to see the fundie base of the RW idiot brigade stroke out when they hear that.

Posted by: Peter Jackson | November 17, 2008, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm

Anne, Do you have your original birth certificate? If you do then you are a rarity, because only 2% of people over 40 have their original!!

Posted by: bob | November 17, 2008, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm

If the Obama birth myth were true, don’t you think McCain would have hit it first and hard – or Bush have the Secret Service stop his candidacy in it’s tracks as soon as he saw the potential for success? If the Republicans insiders (think Karl Rove…) didn’t jump on this to exclude Obama, one has to figure it ain’t out there.

Posted by: Sheila | November 17, 2008, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm

So you’re saying we didn’t win anything, right?

Posted by: bob | November 17, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm

I think the press should question everything. Why can’t the poster above question B.O.’s birthplace or anything else about him? Why is the press uninterested in anything but portraying him as the second coming? He done nothing to merit that confidence. Let’s question that.

Posted by: tom | November 17, 2008, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm

listen hear..bush messed up and he messed up big time..i was born in iraq and im catholic and i left when i was only a year old..and what bush did was just stupid now hes trying to be all mr.good guy trying to take em out..he can go **** himself..sorry for my french but obama i think will make a difference and hopefully in a good way..we gave bush a shot and he messed up now its obama’s time the ball is in his court lets see what he does with it

Posted by: K | November 17, 2008, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm

I think our national security is better off now and the middle east is more stable than when Saddam was in power. What do you think saddam would be doing right now with Iran trying to develope nuclear weapons. In addition, alqueda has been dealt a hard blow, like it or not.

Posted by: Billy Bob | November 17, 2008, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm

Steve in NJ
Yes the have the “original birth certificate” but NO ONE KNOWS if it says he is born in Hawaii the USA…..Hawaii law allows for babies to be born in other countries and then apply for a Certification of Birth in Hawaii. Release the original birth certificate and STOP the rumors that persist…but Mr. Obama will not do so…hired attorneys instead because the birth certificate states that he was not born in Hawaii—-his mother applied for the Certification of Birth which is legal and issued in Hawaii so the Health Department speaks the truth. NO TRANSPARENCY……VERY EASY TO DO…….JUST SHOW the “original record” on file in Hawaii……….why not?

Posted by: Anne | November 17, 2008, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm

Ann, if electing Obama (legally, without any 2000-style chicanery) is “trashing the Constitution,” what do you call what the Bush administration’s been doing for the last eight years?
Be serious.

Posted by: Rob | November 17, 2008, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm

Middle east is more stable??? LOL No one knows what Saddam would be doing, he’s dead isn’t he? Yeah, we really wiped out Al-Qaida. LOL.

Posted by: bob | November 17, 2008, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm

Good bye and good ridance Bush and Cheney. After all the damage you two have done, one has to really wonder who the ‘real’ enemy was.

Posted by: Troy Street | November 17, 2008, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm

We don’t belong in Iraq in the first place. They did nothing to deserve this and they are not ever going to change their culture for us. Nor will they forget the destruction we brought. Fortunately the warmongers in the White House will be leaving mighty soon and as sure as the hell in Guantanamo Bay will end, Obama will see to it we’re not even in Iraq well before 2011.

Posted by: jack | November 17, 2008, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm

Bob,
I must have missed that latest attack on New York . . . when did that happen? Oh yeah it didn’t.

Posted by: Tom | November 17, 2008, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm

“Let me explain this to all of you libs and ABC. We won the war. ”
Umm… BillyBob, when, exactly, did we “win the war?” At what point did this war end? Are you including when Bush said “Mission Accomplished” as the end date? Or when IEDs stopped killing Americans? Or when?
Oh, and FYI, al-Qaeda in Iraq didn’t exist until we showed up, blew the **** out of the infrastructure, and made a gawdawful lot of enemies by killing people who’d done nothing against us. That’s why al-Qaeda, in Iraq and elsewhere, has been thrilled by our presence there: talk about a fertile recruiting ground!
Oh, and Anne? Apologies for the name typo above.

Posted by: Rob | November 17, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm

Anne,
Here is what the Hawai Doc says:
************************
“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record,” DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said.
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i,” Fukino said.

Posted by: Steve_NJ | November 17, 2008, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm

Billy Bob said “What do you think saddam would be doing right now with Iran trying to develope nuclear weapons.”
Well Billy… Saddam wouldn’t be doing much at all with Iran. That’s the fact. They had opposing political and religious views and didn’t get along well at all. That’s why Saddam was our ‘friend’ in the 1980′s… he was the perfect counter-balance to Iran – and that’s what you get when you prop up the ‘enemy of my enemy’. To often it results in disaster.

Posted by: Troy Street | November 17, 2008, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm

Anne, Anne, get a hold of yourself. Let’s move ahead. The country is excited, the world is delighted and Obama is going to be President. Talk about trashing the Constitution, I think the last 8 years by Bush have trashed the Constitution.

Posted by: ohio folk | November 17, 2008, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm

anne
where was McCain born?

Posted by: bobk | November 17, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm

Bob, why do you think we have not been attacked since 911??? I guess you think it is because we just got lucky. I would be willing to bet everything i have that Saddam would be trying to keep up with Irans nuclear weapons program. Now how stable would that be? I am happy the man is dead and i am happy that thousands of Alquada fighters are dead. I am also very proud of the sacrifices that our troop made as horrible as it was. People like you live in a ferry tale world and think that we are the bad guys, guess what our president is trying to do what is right and best for this country and our families. You probably even think that it is ok if Iran has nuclear weapons until one landed in you backyard.

Posted by: Billy Bob | November 17, 2008, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm

What??? Republicans still ‘spinning the yarn of misguided sheep’…I guess the ‘ol’Bushwacker’s’ Drugstore Cowboy hypnotism really works. ON THE BRAIN-DAMAGED!!! I guess he (Bushwacker)and ‘Dead-Eye Cheney’ will have to be content, but a little ‘P.O.’d they have to settle for driving their pick-ups and slurping plenty of BEER with the ‘kick-backs’ from the ‘Iraqi Fiasco’. They will probably end up forgetting how many houses they will own too. Heck…that Obama spoiled all their fun.

Posted by: Bravo Encore | November 17, 2008, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm

South_Texan,
The Obama Regime? Obviously I cannot predict the future, but calling what is to come a regime without giving the same name to Bushes 8 years in office is just ridiculous. The current administration has claimed an unprecedented amount of power for the executive branch, all while lying to us about the reasons for doing so. Add to that an unneeded war and a the biggest breach in civil liberties we have seen since the Korematsu case during WW2,and then rethink what you are saying.

Posted by: Dave | November 17, 2008, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm

Rob, alqaeda has hated you long before Iraq. Now there are a lot less of them to hate you and everything you stand for.

Posted by: Billy Bob | November 17, 2008, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm

Hallelujah!! Let the people rejoice!!

Posted by: Paula | November 17, 2008, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm

I totally agree with David, Americans
elected an Afraican to the Presidency
not an American….
If he is born in Hawaii what happened
to his Hawaiian middle name, which is
given to all babies born in Hawaii
?????
Sorry, us American will continue to
question this….gee I wonder who
is concerned about America….

Posted by: Eme Brillhart | November 17, 2008, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm

That silver tongued devil is still wagging tongue and tail. He’s going to throw every roadblock in the way of the next administration trying to clean up all his messes. Muzzle him quickly. It’s going to be pretty durn lonesome for ole George back there on the ranch.

Posted by: Yankee | November 17, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm

The profiteering is over, that’s why. One day people will realize exactly what the Bush regime was up to from day one. Look at the shape of the country under these guys. Iraq never had a thing to do with terrorism, wmd’s or anything but simply to occupy. Let’s hope the Obama team will dwell deep into an investigation of Bush/Cheney and the rest of the minions.

Posted by: ronnierayjenkins | November 17, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm

Billy Bob: Anyone can have a theory. Yours is completely ridiculous!

Posted by: bob | November 17, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm

Great comeback bob.

Posted by: Billy Bob | November 17, 2008, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm

YEA Anne! We deserve to know if Obama is qualified to be president. Your message is very important.

Posted by: tina | November 17, 2008, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm

So you want to doubt Obama’s qualification for President? Bush was born in the U.S. and obviously wasn’t qualified. He proved that along with the other “mavericks” in his posse.

Posted by: Yankee | November 17, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm

You know, I am reading so many bigoted comments by bloggers who are biased toward the south. I live in Vermont, a very white state. And why do you think that is, that Vermont and NH are the whitest states in the US… that is because after the underground railroad helped the slaves during the Civil War, they did not allow them to settle here… NIMBY… they even burned their school down in Cornish NH… so much for the north being unbiased and prejudiced. I have lived on both sides of the Mason-Dixon line and I find the southerners more genteel and much less biased than the south.

Posted by: Fran | November 17, 2008, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm

(PARDON THE ALL-CAPS. I DIDN’T HAVE ANOTHER METHOD OF DISTINGUISHING MY ANSWERS FROM THE QUESTIONS.)
But, Mr. President, what about the enemy? THE ENEMY HAS BEEN BEATEN DOWN, DISCOURAGED AND LARGELY KILLED.
Doesn’t that signal to the enemy that there is a firm pullout date? IRAQ NOW HAS SOME SIGNIFICANT FORCE WITH WHICH TO HANDLE IT ON THEIR OWN – HELLO? AND AGAIN, THE ENEMY IS BEATEN DOWN. HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE THAT?
Won’t they be lying in wait, as you had suggested? SAME QUESTION AGAIN – SAME ANSWER.
And what if “conditions” change? THIS ISN’T ROCKET SCIENCE. JUST AS CONDITIONS ON THE GROUND CHANGED THAT ALLOWED THIS TO BE POSSIBLE (NO THANKS TO YOU), THE SAME CAN HAPPEN IN THE REVERSE – THEY CAN ALTER THIS PLAN AT ANY TIME BASED ON CONDITIONS ON THE GROUND. CONDITIONS ON THE GROUND, CONDITIONS ON THE GROUND, CONDITIONS ON THE GROUND. GET IT?
The bottom line: Isn’t this going back on everything the White House said it believed? OBVIOUSLY NOT. YOU ARE CONFUSING THE POSITION OF NEVER-LEAVING-AT-ALL WITH THE POSITION WITH THE POSITION OF WITHDRAWL-WHEN-APPROPRIATE.
Gordon Johndroe, the National Security spokesman was succinct in his response to that question today, saying, “Security conditions are so improved, you can set a date.” NO KIDDING. HE IS CORRECT.
Of course, when that date rolls around, George W. Bush will be long gone. AS IF THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING. CLINTON BUILT THE .COM BUBBLE AND DIDN’T STICK AROUND FOR THAT ENDING – HE GAVE IT TO BUSH. DID YOU WANT BUSH FOR ANOTHER FOUR YEARS SO HE CAN BE AROUND TO TAKE CREDIT FOR GIVING THOSE PEOPLE A CHANCE TO VOTE A BETTER LIFE INTO THEIR FUTURE? IF NOT, THEN I WOULD BE QUIET.
YOU KNOW, A LOT OF WOMEN OUTSIDE OF IRAQ ARE GOING TO SEE THE WOMEN OF IRAQ VOTING FOR AND GRADUALLY RECEIVING RIGHTS AND POWER OVER THE NEXT COUPLE DECADES IN THAT COUNTRY. HOW LONG WILL THESE WOMEN OUTSIDE OF IRAQ PUT UP WITH THEIR CURRENT LIVES AND STATUS WHEN THEY CAN SEE IT DOESN’T HAVE TO BE THAT WAY IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY?
THEY WILL START STANDING UP FOR THEMSELVES AND WORKING TOWARD THE SAME WHICH WILL BE QUITE AN UPGRADE FROM WORRYING ABOUT KEEPING THEIR HEADS ATTACHED TO THEIR BODIES IF THEY DON’T WEAR A FULL BODY COVERING.
EVEN THOUGH IT IS EASY AND POPULAR TO JUMP ON THE ANTI-WAR, ANTI-BUSH, ANTI-ADMINISTRATION BANDWAGON, DO NOT THINK THAT WE CAN JUST SPEW OUT ANY OLD AMATEUR POSITION LIKE THE ONE POSTED HERE

Posted by: Brian | November 17, 2008, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm

McCain lost the election. And Bob is right. Bush stated this before the surge was successful and Obama was not for the surge and had a really hard time admitting he was wrong…
Let’s see what Obama will do as the troops start to withdraw and the Iraqi people are starting to be slaughtered again. When we withdrew our troops from Viet Nam, 2 million Vietnamese were slaughtered because we were no longer there to protect them. Sadam slaughtered half a million people before he was taken out of power. I guess that is okay with you…

Posted by: Fran | November 17, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm

Anne wrote: ” This is why all the suits across the country as “Elect Obama” has continually refused to show his “original birth certificate” only the same Certification of birth… He has hired attorneys to fight this in the court system. The Health Department in Hawaii says that he has a birth certificate but will NOT STATE any information on the certificate.
Anne:
Didn’t it occur to you that if there was any question of where Obama was born the GOP would have been all over it? Since NO top Republican said a word, did you think they were part of an Obama conspiracy?
Look here for a photocopy of the Health Deparment in Hawaii’s birth certificate which states ALL the normal information: time of birth, Hawaiian Island of birth,
Obama does NOT have lawyers working on this since there’s nothing to work on. Please get your info straight before spreading false rumors. And may I recommend checking out snopes.com before believing any strange rumors.

Posted by: The_Mick | November 17, 2008, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm

Mick, I don’t care about all that. I don’t want proof. I can believe what I want. It’s a free country.

Posted by: Anne | November 17, 2008, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm

US constitution set up a system of courts to resolve even fuzzy disputes, the “dispute” over the birth certificate, which there really is none, was already brought before the courts (several times), and resolved. Obama is a natural born citizen. That’s the court’s ruling ergo the US constitution’s ruling. So your argument is a fiction and always has been. Really, honestly, why don’t you just admit you’re trying to find an mythical excuse to hate Obama—for you it’s got nothing to do with where he was born when he was 0 years old, but simply a convenient reason to hate.

Posted by: Scotti | November 17, 2008, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm

McCain was born in Panama. Obama was born in Hawaii. Oh, and there is an announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961. Oops, the conspiracy grows. LOL.

Posted by: American | November 17, 2008, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm

Sam:
Thank you for your service and your honesty.

Posted by: sickened | November 17, 2008, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm

I don’t even like Bush, but there is a big difference between announcing timetables when the security situation is a disaster, and the media is portaying the situation as “The Fall of Saigon – Part II”, and announcing timetables now when things are under control to a point where a relatively stable Iraqi Government says leave, we can take care of the situation.

Posted by: Glen | November 17, 2008, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm

Sam,
I don’t believe you.
I hope you can be tracked and brought to testify before Congress.
If any of what you say is true, you and your Commanding Officers will be charged with war crimes and prosecuted to the greatest extent of the law.
I also have a cousin who had three tours of duty in Iraq. He has recounted some horrible stories but none of this bashing of our brave men and women in uniform that you are mouthing here.
You should be tracked and brought before Congress.

Posted by: Steve_NJ | November 17, 2008, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm

Anne: “I don’t want proof. I can believe what I want. It’s a free country.”
You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

Posted by: jock59801 | November 17, 2008, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm

Yes, the great decider need to fade into Crawford, TX sunset before he screws something else up.

Posted by: Temple62 | November 17, 2008, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm

Steve_NJ,
I have heard this before. Baghdad neighborhoods have definitly been ethnicly cleansed. They can tell by satilite pictures somehow.
In my opinion whether we leave in 2 months or ten years the sunnis will be fighting the shias. They have been fighting for over a thousand years and this will not change. They still have not come up with a way to share the oil wealth among all the different tribes in Iraq.

Posted by: sickened | November 17, 2008, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm

If we can stop the shia and sunni from fighting then i’m sure we can settle the isreli/palistinian conflict.

Posted by: sickened | November 17, 2008, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm

I thought Martha was supposed to state the facts in an unbiased manner. Wow was I mistaken!

Posted by: Hugh | November 17, 2008, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm

Sorry Lee the Constitution says nothing of the kind. What it does say is “Congress shal have the Power to extablish an uniform Rule of Naturalization…” Your quote does not exist in the US Constitution.

Posted by: potus | November 17, 2008, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm

Anne–It is your right to question this issue so don’t let the Obama bloggers bother you. They are trying to attack and criticize you until they silence your voice. Think about it– they could have just ignored your post, but they didn’t.

Posted by: worried088 | November 17, 2008, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm

Nevertheless, is anyone interested in why Bush changed his tune? Or does it really matter? My biggest concern is that our troops come home to their families and that no more lives are lost and families left grieving their loved ones. However, I would love to know what prompted this sudden 360 degree change in strategy.

Posted by: Nevertheless | November 17, 2008, 7:37 pm 7:37 pm

I think Bush is doin’ this 360 because he needs SOMETHING to look positive when he leaves office. Otherwise, he has pure negatives to show for his 8 years.

Posted by: AmericanChick | November 17, 2008, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm

Bush didn’t flip. For those of you who didn’t bother reading this story, it is the IRAQI GOVERNMENT setting the timetable, not the Bush administration. There is a big difference between saying, “Yup we’re leaving by 2012 no matter ground conditions or the condition of the Iraqi forces,” and the Iraqi goverment saying, “Yup by 2012 we’ll be ready to handle everything the Americans are currently handling so they can go home.” Everyone should be applauding that.

Posted by: Ashleigh | November 17, 2008, 8:09 pm 8:09 pm

Sheila, you say “we won”. Are you talking about the war in Iraq or about a bowling tournament? Your chimp in chief invaded Iraq based on intelligence provided by Forrest Gump. “Bring-em-on” and “mission accomplished” crap only made the chimp look more like a chump.Yeah, you won the war in Iraq like you won the war in Vietnam, where you only lost 58,000 soldiers and the only concern the U.S. had was how to get the hell out without losing face.The fact that the chimp was elected a second time indicates that there are a lot of Forrest Gumps in the U.S.Smarten up already and take care of your problems at home.

Posted by: Aubrey | November 17, 2008, 8:11 pm 8:11 pm

Bush wants to set timetables now so he can get the credit. We should have never been there is the first place, 4,000 soldiers dead and for what? My son is over there and he is just finishing his first tour, and hopefully his last. He wants us to win in Iraq, but there will never be victory over there, it will quiet down for a while then it will start over again. It’s a no win situation, but try telling that to the pineads in washington.

Posted by: TERESA PRADO | November 17, 2008, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm

Billy Bob. You are incorrect Saddam would not help Iran because they were his Enemy. Do you not remember the the Iraq/Iran war, which we backed Saddam to defeat Iran. We should not have removed Saddam it has allowed Iran to become stronger in the region instead of keeping them in check by Iraq.

Posted by: Abraham Lincoln | November 17, 2008, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm

Teresa, I hope your son will be ok. I am a Canadian and I know that many Americans are probably wishing that I should mind my own business but one life lost in a war that was uncalled for is one too many.

Posted by: Aubrey | November 17, 2008, 9:34 pm 9:34 pm

Mrs. Raddatz, with all due respect, your grasp of the situation is one-sided at best, and laughable at worst. You fail to acknowledge in your article that Bush Administration statements opposing a timetable for withdrawal were primarily made when the security situation in Iraq was in doubt (unlike today). The English language has only one word for the act of leaving a fight before the fight is finished: retreat. Our President was unwilling to retreat from Iraq, and instead, we forced the enemy to retreat.
You ask, with a clearly insincere and snarky tone, “what about the enemy, Mr. President?” Well, Mrs. Raddatz, you should know this because of your place in the media, but the enemy in Iraq has been defeated. Al Qaeda in Iraq no longer exists in the operational form it once did. We destroyed them, on our terms. The reason they will not be lying in wait for our pull-out date is because the majority of them are dead.
Mrs. Raddatz, like everyone else at ABCNews, was similarly unwilling to report on the success of The Surge until said success was long past achieved. Likewise, Mrs. Raddatz is unwilling to report the actual reason we are now able to set a timeline for withdrawing our forces: the war in Iraq is over. We won.

Posted by: tony | November 17, 2008, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm

aubry–being an outsider –what do you think the iraq people would think of your uncalled for remark–do you think that their freedom and their new democracy is also uncalled for—some american volunteered to serve to remove a dictator and liberate the iraqi people –they gave their lives for their belief–your statement flies against their heroism

Posted by: cisc | November 17, 2008, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm

Saddam is dead and the WMD question has been answered. That is what we had as an objective and it has been met. It is finished. It is time to bring our troops home, with or without a timetable. That is a mute point. Best estimate is that Iraq has 24 to 27 million people. Half are under 18 years of age. They will decide what will happen in the end, not us.

Posted by: ray sparks | November 18, 2008, 6:55 am 6:55 am

Bob: I agree pretty much with everything you said. We are on the same page. We can regulate or legislate just about everything except for what people think. When we leave, the people will decide their own fate. Our troops have done their job. Now it is time to get them out of their.

Posted by: ray sparks | November 18, 2008, 8:53 am 8:53 am

What an inane article! Of course, at the appropriate time, there would be a timetable. Apparently Bush feels that now is the appropriate time. We may never have gotten to this point had we announced some arbitrary timetable earlier.

Posted by: stan | November 18, 2008, 9:05 am 9:05 am

stan: Inane yes. Timetable or not, bring our troops home. They did the job they were sent there to do. It is up to the Iraqis to decide what they want to do.

Posted by: ray sparks | November 18, 2008, 9:21 am 9:21 am

Obama needs to show everybody his birth certificate. What’s to hide? Show it.
I suppose now Arnold can be president, too.

Posted by: Arnold S. for President | November 18, 2008, 9:59 am 9:59 am

I have an idea! Let’s end Iraq the same way we ended Vietnam- surrender and leave millions exposed to the potentional dictatorship of another brutal mass murderer!
The liberal, hippie, long-haired, bill ayers idiots of the Vietnam era love to brag about how they, along with jane fonda’s courageos efforts, ended the war. But somehow I never hear any of these people mention the killing fields where millions of South Vietnamese were murdered by the North after the US gave into the anti-war nutjobs and left prematurely.
Should the US have invaded Iraq? I don’t know.
Was the war mismangaged? yes
Was the US media and much of America’s enemies around the world hoping it would fail miserably to make Bush look stupid? yes
Should our progress there be reported on CNN, ABC, MSNBC as much as the ridiculous Abu Graib scandal? yes
Should America stay and continue the process of rebuilding Iraq for both America’s and the Iraq people’s safety?
YES!!

Posted by: dave | November 18, 2008, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm

Hey folks we have won…we can now start bringing our troops home..is it so tough ABC to say WE WON!

Posted by: Mark | November 18, 2008, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm

Hey folks…BUSH will get credit for the victory….it will be his legacy…WE WON,,get use to it you left wing hate nuts

Posted by: Mark | November 18, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm

Anne: You are absolutely right. However, we should never allowed Hawaii to be a state in the first place. The hospital in Hawaii refused to show his birth record but I believe Obama was born in Kenya and registered in Hawaii and he has a fake birth certificate from Hawaii. He was adopted by his Indonesia stepfather and also lived in Indonesia. Mr. Berg is still trying to win the case. However, no one will ever know the truth aboutObama’s citizenship and I am sure the government did’t check it out because they feared it would cause a race factor. But, we do have a servere race problem in this country and there has been numerous threats on Obama’s life. The network states they are rising. I did not vote for Obama but he is the president and we have to acknowledge that. It shouldn’t matter what race a person is as president it is how good they run this country and take care of the problems that exist.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | November 18, 2008, 8:04 pm 8:04 pm

Abraham Lincoln. Correct, we should not have removed Saddam or invaded Iraq. The whole country is in a complete mess being war torn and it will take billions to rebuild it. There goes our tax money.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | November 18, 2008, 8:08 pm 8:08 pm

Do these slime-balls (Bush & neocons) really think that we are that stupid not to see through their lies and diversions, to see how their story changes according to the political situation they find themselves in? This scum truly belongs in prison.
Posted by: Mike | Nov 17, 2008 4:12:06 PM
____________________________________
and Obama hasn’t changed his stories? Where is the “change”? Bipartisan cabinet? Looks like Clintons cabinet to me!Don’t forget that Democrats voted for the war as well.
President Clinton stated their were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and laid the groundwork for the Iraq invasion.
How soon we forget….Do some research before you stat pointing fingers!!!

Posted by: over it | November 18, 2008, 8:50 pm 8:50 pm

Um, folks. The election is over. I voted for McCain, but the birth certificate, biased media, etc. is not relevant anymore. Obama is going to be the next president. There is too much tough work ahead for the country to keep bickering. Obama’s leagacy in now in his hands. If he screws up, I’ll be all over him. But I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt right now. Even McCain is willing to.

Posted by: twain2008 | November 18, 2008, 11:50 pm 11:50 pm

Leave a Reply

Do you have more information about this topic? If so, please click here to contact the editors of ABC News.