Dec 17, 2008 5:51pm

What To Do With An Old Space Shuttle? Need A Lawn Ornament?

ABC News’ Gina Sunseri reports: What to do with an old space shuttle?   Its one of the most complicated vehicles ever built, though it relies on 1970′s technology, and has only one bathroom. NASA is looking for ideas for its space shuttle fleet, which includes Endeavour, Atlantis and Discovery.   The orbiters will be retired in 2010 after 133 flights unless President-elect Barack Obama decides to keep them flying past the retirement date decreed by President Bush when he unveiled his plan to go back to the Moon and then eventually on to Mars. You would have to have plenty of room to keep a space shuttle — they are big.  The orbiters are 183 feet tall by 78 feet wide.    The Orbiter is attached to a large external fuel tank, & solid rocket boosters before launch. The shuttle contains more than 2.5 million parts, 230 miles of wire, 1060 valves, 1,440 circuit breakers.  It weighs approximately 4.5 million pounds at launch, and accelerates to an orbital velocity of 17,500 milers per hour, 25 times faster than the speed of sound, in just over eight minutes.  That’s zero to 100 mph in ten seconds. The shuttle includes the orbiter, the external tank, and the solid rocket boosters. On liftoff it weighs 4,525,808 pounds, but will be delivered without the tank and the boosters. NASA is asking museums and other scientific organizations for proposals on what to do with the orbiters — the Smithsonian already has the prototype Enterprise on exhibit. Any ideas?

User Comments

Why not sell them to a country wanting to get into space like Japan or the EU?

Posted by: Someplacecold | December 17, 2008, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm

Why not leave them in space docked to the international space station. Perhaps the cargo bays could be pressurized to provide additional space for living quarters or science experiments. The shuttles could provide an emergency means of escape should there be some sort catastrophic failure on the station.

Posted by: John | December 17, 2008, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm

Gut it, recyle its innards and put the shell on top of a couple of poles outside the Pilot Truck Stop out on I-70…..you know over by that pothole.

Posted by: th1567 | December 17, 2008, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm

Sink them of the coast of Texas to become a man made reef. That way they could also stop hurricanes and illegal immigrants from entering the country. And they would be cheaper to operate.

Posted by: Report Abuse | December 17, 2008, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm

They should keep them flying until the new ships are ready. Why should we depend on the Russians to get into space?

Posted by: R. J. Vincent | December 17, 2008, 8:36 pm 8:36 pm

Keep all of them in orbit, attached to Space Station, for future use as “shuttle” transports to Moon or space station orbiting Moon. Recommend NASA read some of Heinlein’s SF novels for great ideas.
Or, if operational use is not feasible,
send one to hometown of each astronaut killed in shuttle/rocket accidents, for
memorial display in park or city center.
For example, one here in Guam for Commander McCool, former Guam resident.

Posted by: Retired USAF in Guam | December 17, 2008, 9:34 pm 9:34 pm

“NASA is looking for ideas for its space shuttle fleet, which includes Endeavour, Atlantis and Discovery.”
1 – Tell the media that the world is going to end soon and we need volunteers to save the human race.
2 – Collect the best of the best volutnteers who are liberals at the Kennedy Space Center, if they are lawyers too then it’s an added plus.
3 – Fill up the Space shuttles with the volunteers.
4 – Send them on a one way trip to Betelgeuse.
5 – When they get too far to come back send them a thank you transmission for saving the planet and the human race.
It will be the truth afterall.

Posted by: Noz | December 17, 2008, 11:13 pm 11:13 pm

Sell it for scrap metal. Then tell the ‘big three’ that the money is their bail-out.

Posted by: the handout | December 18, 2008, 7:07 am 7:07 am

Upgrade. Give them a technological upgrade. They still work. NASA knows how to fix and operate them already. Keep them in service untill the next generation shuttle comes about. We’ve taken 10 steps forward with them, and now we’re going to take 10 steps back in adopting Apollo era vehicles. I agree, that they are the best at getting to the moon and back. But for shuttling crew and mission equipment to and from the ISS? I think the shuttles are best suited for that.

Posted by: Lawrence | December 18, 2008, 8:40 am 8:40 am

Why not send several of them aloft at the same time, with skeleton crews, and land all but one of them on the moon? Use the shuttle still in orbit to make a return flight. Film the event; it would be a GREAT DOCUMENTARY and bring excitement to the space program which it badly needs.

Posted by: Arthur | December 18, 2008, 9:05 am 9:05 am

If they’re really that desperate … they can give one to me. :-)

Posted by: Phil | December 18, 2008, 11:19 am 11:19 am

It has been decades since the U.S. sent the probes into deep space with the memorials of the human race and earth in them, in case other civilization finds them. Why not put a locator beacon on one and send it into deep space. It would be the way a shuttle would want to be retired anyway, not rusting in some museum somewhere. Plus, it is a testament to man’s achievements on earth and if ever discovered by another intelligent species, would give them valuable clues to how we were conquering space right along with them (and how we only put one toilet on our spacecraft!).

Posted by: David | December 18, 2008, 11:27 am 11:27 am

I agree we should continue to fly them until our next generation spacecraft is ready. I also like the memorial idea. Although the shuttle legacy is regrettably scarred, it is still the largest and most historic vehicle ever to be flown in space. The shuttle and those who flew it and paid the ultimate price to fly it should be remembered with the highest possible honor.

Posted by: David | December 18, 2008, 11:35 am 11:35 am

Taking all three up with skeleton crews and leaving two as emergency reentry vehicles/additional room on the ISS is an excellent idea. And we definitely need to keep them in service until the next-gen ship is ready. Even then, if the shuttle is still useful, why should we get rid of it?

Posted by: jester1976 | December 18, 2008, 11:41 am 11:41 am

“Why not put a locator beacon on one and send it into deep space. It would be the way a shuttle would want to be retired anyway, not rusting in some museum somewhere. Plus, it is a testament to man’s achievements on earth and if ever discovered by another intelligent species, would give them valuable clues to how we were conquering space right along with them.” – David
I like that David, it fits in well with my idea except with mine there would be multiple shuttles to find and there would be many more clues inside for another intelligent species to figure out what Homo Sapiens were/are.
: o )

Posted by: Noz | December 18, 2008, 11:51 am 11:51 am

Place two working shuttles in permanet storage just in case we need them and until they are replaced by another heavy lift spacecraft. Oh sure it would be expensive, but I’d rather have access to a viable system than become totally reliant upon another country’s willingness and capacity to assist the US.

Posted by: Mark | December 18, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm

I say that we do this….
1. Take one of the shuttles and keep it for storage.
2. Give one to a museum that helped NASA.
3. Take the last shuttle and convert it to a mini-shuttle that will dock with the International Space Station for a emergency trasport to earth.
Those are my ideas to do with it. Hope you aggree!

Posted by: Michael | December 18, 2008, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm

Sell them to Virgin Galactic to use as space tourist shuttle buses.

Posted by: magoo2u | December 18, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm

Donate them to Space Camp, to encourage the next generation of kids to find a joy in Astronautics and Science in general.

Posted by: Ralphie | December 18, 2008, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm

Or have the ultimate pay per view, for the idiots who want to abandon the space program altogether, Shuttle demolition derby!

Posted by: Ralphie | December 18, 2008, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm

If we can keep B52′s flying for decades surely we can keep these in service for a few extra years.

Posted by: steve salter | December 18, 2008, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm

Space Shuttles are only capable of flying to low Earth orbit, not to the moon or anywhere else. The launch pads are being torn down and replaced with ones for the new ships. We would not be able to launch shuttles even if they were kept in storage.

Posted by: Lee | December 18, 2008, 9:59 pm 9:59 pm

These venerable work horses should definately be kept in the United States as upon their retirement, people will want a chance to see these beauties.
And my GOD, at MACH 25, these vehicles which come back to Earth essentially like an airplane travel much faster than the often quoted speeds for the mythical Aruora Hypersonic Spy Plane whose existence is the subject of occasional speculation Area 51 enthusiasts.
Regardless of whether or not any such myths have any validity, the venerable space shuttles should be put on display at three different locations within the United States. They have become a culteral icon and a symbol of what we Americans can do when we cooperate with each other.
The shuttles, as mueseam show pieces can stand tall and proud and be a source for further dreams and space craft yet to be built designed and conceived. I would like to see this vehicles put on display with electronic audiovideo displays and a with an adjacent fancy artistically embosed plack containing the phrase “What Dreams May Come!”

Posted by: James M. Essig | December 19, 2008, 12:40 am 12:40 am

Why not gut it and use it as a shuttle to go between earth and moon? Essentially refit it and use it as a big freight vehicle. Boosters could be lifted to orbit mounted, and we have a snazzy transporter.

Posted by: Dan | December 19, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am

Further clarification: The shuttle would remain in orbit permanently.
Another idea, extra space for the ISS, as well as a better re-entry escape vehicle.

Posted by: Dan | December 19, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am

Having spoken to eyewitnesses of the US’s newest AG (triangle) craft (photos at EarthFiles), yes these chemical powered craft belong in a museum.

Posted by: PeteS | December 19, 2008, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm

Retired USAF:
I love your idea! The Old Man’s work deeply influenced an entire generation, sending a gaggle of bright youngsters into engineering, and is as responsible as anything else for us getting to the Moon in the first place. Let’s mine his writing and see where else it can take us! NASA should spend some time looking at his figures for flights to Mars (and other spots) in the expanded “Expanded Universe”. All of the aeronautical engineers I have spoken with in Wichita swear that his figures are correct, and that all we need is the political will to make these journeys possbile TODAY!!
In the meantime, let’s definitely keep at least one shuttle in a “Bravo” status at the ISS, just in case a lifeboat is needed. One of the others should go to whatever museum is capable of keeping it in (restoring it to?) perfect condition so people can see just how fantastic these machines really are. A final one could be docked at the ISS, retrofitted, and used for transport from LEO to Moon Station One, in orbit over Luna City, and return. They’re a bit truck-like now but I’m sure Virgin Galactic could convert them to pleasant and functional taxis and turn a profit operating them.
RAH, RAH, R.A.H!!!
(with fond credit to Spider)

Posted by: Walker Evans | December 19, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm

You can’t leave them in space for several reasons. They have to be constantly heated or they would freeze up solid. At that point you couldn’t restart them even if you wanted. Also they can only achieve low Earth orbit so they would eventually decay and come crashing down on Earth who knows where.

Posted by: Scot Vaughn | December 19, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm

The shuttle was one of the biggest wastes of federal money that came at the expense of real space science. The ISS is the WORST waste of science money. To my knowledge, no useful science came out of it at all. Unmanned probes like Spirit/Opportunity and the Hubble are far better uses of taxpayer’s money.

Posted by: Calvin Broadus | December 19, 2008, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm

One word for you all: eBay. Sarting bid, $ 0.99, Low Reserve, Local pick-up only.

Posted by: Gary | December 19, 2008, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm

WHY not put them up for bid—–OR put them in play ground for the kids—-or sink them in the ocean—-make one living quarters—–WHAT EVER just moveon—–

Posted by: Michael Mooneyham | December 22, 2008, 3:01 am 3:01 am

Use it to search for H.R. Giger’s Alien. Bring it back to earth and have it spend a night with Cheney.

Posted by: bill1037 | December 22, 2008, 7:55 am 7:55 am

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