By Tom Johnson

Apr 14, 2009 3:08pm

Question of the Day: Is a 4 Day School Week a Good Idea?

Across the country, at least 17 states now have school districts that have switched to a four day school week.  The days are longer, but come Friday students have no class.  For many districts it’s about saving money.  A school can save a great deal of money by dropping a day, especially what it spends on fuel for its buses.  Proponents also argue that besides costs, a four day week provides parents and children with a free day for at home learning, activities and doctor’s appointments.  Then there are the parents and educators that feel a four day week is a terrible idea.  There is not a great deal of research on how it effects learning.  But many — President Obama included — argue children need more time in the classroom not less.  They say it is a burden on working parents who will be forced to scramble for childcare. Times are tough and schools are trying to figure out how navigate a recession.  What are your thoughts on dropping a school day?   

User Comments

Oh indeed – less school. We’re not stupid enough!

Posted by: hang | April 14, 2009, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm

A universally educated population is what America’s economic might is built on. This is not the place to cut corners. Take a bludgeon to the teachers union, but don’t cut out the class time our kids need to keep the US on top.

Posted by: jhw539 | April 14, 2009, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm

What matters is the quality of the education they get and not the quantity (time/days) they use to learn!

Posted by: RS | April 14, 2009, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm

In my area, even if there was no school, the schools are constantly in use every day by other organizations – boy scouts, churches, even the court system uses the auditoriums and cafeterias for functions, so there is no savings on heating, cooling, custodian salaries, etc. High school sports are played almost every day as it is, even some Sundays. This idea is stupid. I’m for 5 days, and make ‘em LONGER days at that!

Posted by: joesmom | April 14, 2009, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm

QUALITY VERSUS QUANTITY – and weed out those teachers that arent teaching. I know a few.

Posted by: lauren | April 14, 2009, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm

Noz:
They are not sent to school to be occupied. They are sent there to acquire education which they can utilise.
When they are not at school, it is time for parents to play their part.

Posted by: RS | April 14, 2009, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm

Only reason these districts are doing the 4 day a week is to save money. There is no benefit to any of the students or parents- just for the district to save money. For most of us- we already have long enough days as is – we dont need longer days ! And we the parents dont need the extra stress of making child care arrangements and then having to pay for those child care arrangements. This goes too far simply just to save money. NO!!

Posted by: Angela | April 14, 2009, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm

It would be ok if the children had longer days. If they had more activities and more people, businesses, and politicians getting involved then yes, it would be a wonderful idea. But if they were to go to school for the same time, same boring classes I just think it would be a waste of time.

Posted by: Karen Williams | April 14, 2009, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm

NO it is not a good idea. The kids are not learning as it is, and this would just add to the problem.
Parents would have to have sitters for an extra day (more money), teens would have 1 more day to run around with out parents knowing where they are.
What the **** are you thinking about.
This is one of the stupidest things I have heard in a long time.

Posted by: jc | April 14, 2009, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm

QUIT DUMBING DOWN OUT YOUTH!! PAY OUR TEACHERS CLOSER TO THEIR VALUE!! QUIT CRIPPLING OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM WITH BULK JUNK!! Our students need year around school{12 months/4 quarters) 5 days each week. There should be up to 14 days flex/vacation within each quarter. These can be staggered by local school districts. Then the quality of education can be maintained and our students can cease loosing up to 3 months repeating what they were supposed to have learned the previous year. Classes need to be smaller ratios of students to teachers with better resources. Students need to be allowed to test out of a ‘grade level’ as they progress on into the next. Physical education needs to be a required part of EVERY school day, whether in school or required team participations. Every one of us less than 18 years of age should be required to be in school of some quality type; whether academic, technical, trade, etc. Every student should be required to master ‘civics’/American government and how to be a quality citizen voter. American style English language and at least one other language should be manditory in the pre-K thru 6th grades. Bonus credit should be given for continuing one or more languages. Math withOUT calculators should be manditory at least thru 7th grade equivalency. Practical math applications for daily life should be manditory – balancing a checkbook, bill paying, basic interests, figuring tips, etc. Manditory thru 18 years = Basic ethics, accountability and responsibility, communications, eloqution, phonics, reading, writing, resumes, key boarding, research, sciences, environmental appreciations & protections, PE, health, nutrition, American & world histories, basic cooking, parenting, and self maintenances, etc. Parents are not currently relied upon to even teach their ‘breedings’ basic manners. When we set higher standards = students delight in measuring up !!

Posted by: LadyKz | April 14, 2009, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm

YES!I just think with the Monday Holidays–that Monday should be the scheduled day off.The savings by not running buses would provide additional funding needed elsewhere!I Handle diesel fuel bills–so I know first hand with our rural buses!More time in a day to dedicate on a subject without “refreshing’.Less missed school due to app’ts, & “legal” time to recupperat or even schedule mini vac.? BUT, I understand the ONE DAY burden on parents!

Posted by: Denisea213 | April 14, 2009, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm

It is about CONTROL, not education.
1) the explicit reason is for cost-savings and better learning.
2) the hidden reason is for control of children.
In the past this might be well and good, but now due to economic forces beyond one’s control both parents work-(assuming a child even has two parents anymore and that that relationship hasn’t been torn assunder by bad tax policy, welfare, and economic hardship). Worse yet a single parent! Who will watch the child on those 5th days off??
Let me venture to guess:
-Federally funding day care centers
-Youth battalions (“volunteerism”
-private corporate day care
-or school programs that parents will need to pay for
many, if not all, will not be controlled by your local schoolboard (e.g., YOU) but by the friendly bureaucrats and politicians in DC.
We want your children. We want to teach them. We want to control them. To be good little government snitches, good tax payers, good little workers, and don’t question authority, their boss, the government, or corporations. Please let us raise your children!

Posted by: Ed | April 14, 2009, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm

Why do the schools need to save money? Because uneducated state legislators refuse to properly FUND schools!

Posted by: dano | April 14, 2009, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm

I don’t see the big deal. I live in France, and here they have a 4 day school week. Kids go all day (8:30-4:30) on Mon, Tues, Thurs, and Fri. Wednesday is their day off, and the day most kids take some sort of lessons (music or sport). France has a fantastic education system, and no problems with the 4 day school week!

Posted by: Bianca | April 14, 2009, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm

First, no four day school weeks unless the standard work week is four days. Second, running a longer school day will not make up for the lost day because after a point the students get tired and stop paying attention.
We have problems because we consolidated schools to save money, with the result that they are so impersonal that teachers cannot spot trouble signs. We increased class sizes when the Baby Boom hit schools to save money. When the boom passed, the larger classes had become standard, and teachers were let go and large classes maintained rather than using the “extra” teachers to reduce class size. The trouble with US education is twofold – overemphasis on saving money and opposition to quality science education because it undermines conservative religious views (not just evolution, but isotope dating systems and Big Bang astronomy).

Posted by: Jim H | April 14, 2009, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm

Are teacher union contracts renegotiated to reflect the shorten work week?

Posted by: Joseph J Leandri | April 14, 2009, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm

“I don’t see the big deal. I live in France, and here they have a 4 day school week.” – Bianca
There you go.
Best argument against having a 4 day school week I’ve ever heard.

Posted by: Noz | April 14, 2009, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm

I am a first year teacher, and I would like to start by saying that I make a little more now than I did when I was waiting tables in college. I DID NOT want to become a teacher solely for the money, but for the all of the joys that it provides. (Even though I am the first teacher to arrive and the last one to leave- I work 12 hr. days.) However, I do agree that teachers should be paid more (possibly merit pay on top of basic pay)considering that I and others have more than $30,000 in school debt left to pay, which will take me 20 years.
As far as teachers unions is concerned, there are some things you need to know about them. They help get the good teachers the pay that they deserve, insure us when legal issues arise (just like doctors insurance), and fight and defend education against bad legislation.
And YES, the schools are short money because of the legislatures! They think they know what’s best for education, but yet they send their kids to private schools and don’t consult education professionals about the choices they make for education!
If money shortage is the reason for a 4 day week, then maybe administrator pay needs to be looked at…….
Now to the issue that started it all-a 4 day work week. I think it’s a bad idea. I have a hard enough time cramming in all of a days work in 1 day as it is. And here’s another thing, everyone seems to think that you can shove the information in front of the child and they will instantly learn it. NOT TRUE-IT TAKES TIME AND PARENTS! I do agree that there are some bad teachers and I’ve seen some of them. However, making the school week shorter is not the answer. I think the month of July off would be a great summer break instead of 2 months. Also, lengthening the school day is another bad idea. Whoever said it before me is right on-you can’t keep their attention! Think of how you were in those high school or college classes that were an hour and fifteen minutes or longer! They were torture! It’s the same thing for these kids!
I think everyone needs to stop and think about what is best for the children. I bet you’ll find that a 4 day school week is not the best answer.

Posted by: patch2480 | April 14, 2009, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm

Japan has school 6 days a week. Maybe that has something to do with their children earning highest marks? US has dropped down the list of best educated children world-wide, particularly in science. Many of the best paid jobs in America are going to foreigners because we don’t have enuff qualified people! So, if there was a 4-day week the hours would need to be extended to 5p to match parents’ work schedule and make up for the day off. The extra hours could be used to handle many activities which most kids do later in the evenings and weekends: band, football practice, club meetings, P.E., drivers ed, etc. However, this would only work if the parents have 4-day weeks as well which would save the companies $$$ or, provide additional part-time jobs for many people who need extra money. Kids do need time off from school activities as well as parents. A 4-day week could provide more quality time for Families to spend together and, if coupled with Mondays, could allow for travel and holidays. I liked the idea of having 6 weeks off for summer instead of 10 weeks. Teachers should remain receiving the same pay however, as they are underpaid already. We need to raise the standard of teachers. And, instead of giving top pay to athletics, movie stars and CEOs, give it to teachers, nurses, paralegals.

Posted by: sprowlindak | April 16, 2009, 12:04 am 12:04 am

Not as good an idea as online school. Many schools in Arizona, esp. on the Rez, which is short for Reservation. Kids weren’t coming to school on Fridays, or many weren’t, so they went to a four-day week. It seems to work very well. Better to save money there than by cutting teachers, Specials, and so on. I think it’s a shame parents have to provide such things as paper towels, tissues, hand sanitizer, and on and on. Much money is misspent in any school district I have seen. Too many people at fancy desks with too little to do. I believe it would be safe to say staff at central office could be cut by one-half without harming anyone’s education. President Obama, please note.

Posted by: bggrider | April 16, 2009, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm

Yes it is a good thing for some students. I am a public school teacher and it may come as a shock..but Public school the only place students learn. As a teacher I try to find ways to help my students learn to their highest level. Looking for new ways to teach is best for the student. There is no “one way” with approaches. There are best practices but that wouldn’t mean having a virtual school would leave that out. I applaud this state and the others for allowing this option for families. Again it’s about teaching the students!

Posted by: Glg | April 16, 2009, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm

Yes this is a bad idea i want a normal days form my lovely class!

Posted by: Nicloe | April 27, 2009, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm

1/May/2009
PUBLIC education systems are established by politicians…not by educators.

Posted by: Barry | May 1, 2009, 12:24 am 12:24 am

I support a 4 day school week and work week.

Posted by: Albert Duncan | August 22, 2009, 12:35 am 12:35 am

I am sure Bush and his people would put presure on Tom Ridge for their political benefit.

Posted by: Albert Duncan | August 22, 2009, 12:38 am 12:38 am

What happens to ppl like me…. i’m a high school student.. they plan on cutting us down to 4days but make our days longer…. i have to be at work by 3:30 and they expect me to be at school til 4:05 that means i will more then likely loose my job over stupid reasons…… plus not only that but if i don’t loose my job i will not get enough hours a day or in a 2 weeks paycheck to make enough money to pay for my rent and bills.. i live with my 22 year old sister who is a waitress and she doesn’t make very much… i make 8.15p/h and she makes 2.50, plus we have a 2 year old living with us… my neice needs a roof over her head,,,, i wouldn’t mind having a four day week as long as we were to get out before 4pm that way i could make it to work and have enough hours.!!!!

Posted by: Rachel | September 14, 2009, 11:39 am 11:39 am

I think its a good idea. Students would enjoy school more if there was one less day to go and the attendence of students would improve for the sam reason. The school day may be longer but students dont notice it if there learning. They would also save on fuel for buses.

Posted by: Kayla | September 30, 2009, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm

I think that the four day school week is a great idea becaus, kids need more time spending with their families than being a school house.Some children will be less tired when we have a five day school week.

Posted by: yasmine | December 8, 2009, 9:08 am 9:08 am

i would love to have friday off we all need a break just think a 3 day weekend alsom i am a student and i would love a 3 day weekend i wouid do beter in school

Posted by: P.H.M.S STUDENT FL | January 7, 2010, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm

If you will refer to the previous comment, this middle school student is a prime example of why we DON’T need less school days, we need more. These days spelling, grammar, and punctuation are all skills that are sadly lacking in a lot of our students. A 3-day weekend, EVERY weekend is something we absolutely do not need!

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Posted by: Gregory Williams | April 8, 2010, 7:22 am 7:22 am

I am a 13 year old boy at Bonner Elementary. I think that a 4 day school week would be good because the students would feel more rested, and bullies would not want to be bullies that much anymore because they had a longer weekend to think about there personal problems. I also think no because there would be more gangs, and shootings, and etc. more kids and adults would be in jail becuase of illegal drugs. They would have nothing to do so they would just be stupid and go do that.

Posted by: Scrach | April 14, 2010, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm

to me i think that a 4 day school week is a good idea cause the schools will save money but also its still going to be hard for parentsto swicht daycares

Posted by: kynsha | April 16, 2010, 9:39 am 9:39 am

Do teacheres get paid less in a 4 day school week??

Posted by: Kayla | June 4, 2010, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm

teachers. Sorry…

Posted by: Kayla | June 4, 2010, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm

no teachers do not get paid less for the reason they get paid by week and not days nor hours atleast thats how it is here so they paid the same as a 5 day if swiched to a 4 day

Posted by: cory | October 21, 2010, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm

from a student point of veiw i think its gud cuz we have more time 2 study than lettin your child fail then if they fail u will be mad nd be ready 2 beat them

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Posted by: mj | November 30, 2010, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm

I think its a great idea. I’m in accent at my school and in 2 honors classes and i say, what is wrong with a day of relaxation? The teachers and we students get a day to relieve stress and catch up on projects/makeup work. And i DEFINITLY DONT WANT A 12 MONTH SCHOOL YEAR JC!!!!

Posted by: guy | February 28, 2011, 11:48 am 11:48 am

I love what this person said and I think it should really be looked at
and considered!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
QUIT DUMBING DOWN OUT YOUTH!! PAY OUR TEACHERS CLOSER TO THEIR VALUE!! QUIT CRIPPLING OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM WITH BULK JUNK!! Our students need year around school{12 months/4 quarters) 5 days each week. There should be up to 14 days flex/vacation within each quarter. These can be staggered by local school districts. Then the quality of education can be maintained and our students can cease loosing up to 3 months repeating what they were supposed to have learned the previous year. Classes need to be smaller ratios of students to teachers with better resources. Students need to be allowed to test out of a ‘grade level’ as they progress on into the next. Physical education needs to be a required part of EVERY school day, whether in school or required team participations. Every one of us less than 18 years of age should be required to be in school of some quality type; whether academic, technical, trade, etc. Every student should be required to master ‘civics’/American government and how to be a quality citizen voter. American style English language and at least one other language should be manditory in the pre-K thru 6th grades. Bonus credit should be given for continuing one or more languages. Math withOUT calculators should be manditory at least thru 7th grade equivalency. Practical math applications for daily life should be manditory – balancing a checkbook, bill paying, basic interests, figuring tips, etc. Manditory thru 18 years = Basic ethics, accountability and responsibility, communications, eloqution, phonics, reading, writing, resumes, key boarding, research, sciences, environmental appreciations & protections, PE, health, nutrition, American & world histories, basic cooking, parenting, and self maintenances, etc. Parents are not currently relied upon to even teach their ‘breedings’ basic manners. When we set higher standards = students delight in measuring up !!

Posted by: Me | April 28, 2011, 10:01 am 10:01 am

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