Closing Arguments: Protesting Obama at Notre Dame
President Obama will deliver the commencement address at the University of Notre Dame Sunday, one of the nation’s largest Catholic universities, where he will also receive an honorary degree.
This invitation to the pro-choice president has touched off a series of protests from anti-abortion activists, including one today that resulted in 21 arrests. More protests are expected Sunday.
So tonight, we ask you: Should Notre Dame have invited President Obama to speak? And is it appropriate for students to protest against a Presidential visit?
Tell us what you think.
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Obama has obviously earned his right to speak anywhere in this country (by being elected) and any organization should be honored to have his presence with them. If any school is recognizing the freedom of speech this country claims to uphold, then they should be proud to have President at their commencement. Protestors have the right to their freedom of speech, but it does reflect an attitude of still being in the dark ages.
Posted by: Dr. Judy Johnson | May 16, 2009, 12:14 am 12:14 am
I do not think that Obama should speak at Notre Dame. The Catholic church needs to stand up for what it believes
about the sanctity of life. They should
not give President Obama an honorary degree. That to me is even worse than
asking him to speak. The students should
definitely protest his presence.
Posted by: Wanda | May 16, 2009, 12:18 am 12:18 am
Graduation is one of the most important days in every student’ life. Obama and NotreDame will have many memorable moments. Thsi is not their day to celebrate.Let the college students enjoy the once in alife time event with their families. Both Notre Dame and President Obama are sadly ingorant that it it not their day. They need to allow the memories of the day to be positive and respect their students. Controvery only removes the emphasis from the achievement of the students theselves and negates their achievement. It is inconsiderate for both Obama and Notre Dame to take the spotlight. Shame on them.
Posted by: Linda | May 16, 2009, 12:19 am 12:19 am
I believe in being respectful to a persons
beliefs while having the right to my own
opinion. Please explain to me why any man
or woman who does not believe in abortion
cares if the woman who has one is going to
have to tell about that abortion to God.
Unless of course none of these protestors
really believe in God. If you are not
going to have to admit to an abortion why
do you care? And even more confusing to
me is why you base your vote on an issue
that pertains to so very few?
Posted by: Helen | May 16, 2009, 12:21 am 12:21 am
I am saddened by the fact that the protestors are going to such extremes. How can productive dialogue exist in this environment? I am also sad for the over 2,000 ND graduates will have their graduation marred by arrests and that some ceremonies have been moved inside for safety reasons. This weekend should be about the graduates and all they’ve accomplished.
Posted by: Dawn Coury | May 16, 2009, 12:22 am 12:22 am
If the Catholic church believes that life is precious, where was the outrage when George Bush was invited to speak? After all, while a governor he singed off on the capital punishment of 152 people, still the most deaths in the nation for any governor in history. Is it that those lives do not count or that somewhat they are less precious?
As a Catholic, I see all this as opportunistic and hypocritical. Either ALL life is precious or none.
Posted by: Lindoro Almaviva | May 16, 2009, 12:24 am 12:24 am
Obama should NOT have been invited to speak at the Notre Dame graduation !!!!
Who ever sent that invitation out to this man should not have a job on Monday morning. And there should be NO honorary degree given to him either…..
Posted by: kajundave | May 16, 2009, 12:28 am 12:28 am
President Obama should not have been invited because it clothes him with a mantle of approval by the University. It is very appropriate for students who represent the product of the University to protest his presence.
Posted by: David A. Hoffmeister | May 16, 2009, 12:28 am 12:28 am
What is the big deal america I mean come on I’m catholic and it dosen’t bother me that Obama is going to speak at Notre Dame. I live in Indiana and I plan on attending Notre Dame and the only thing that bugs me is that you’re saying that Notre Dame should not have invited him, but I think it is a mile stone yah so what he pro-chioce so freaking what I’m pro-choice. Normally this wouldn’t be a big deal but all of a sudden america has to get sensetive about this. Why don’t you all just suck it up and care about something more important like the war in Iraq or Global Warming, You Know usely this would go by with out a secound glance but owe we’re going to get sensetive and whine about. the thing that I have to say is Boo freaking hoo.
Posted by: Judy Beyer | May 16, 2009, 12:28 am 12:28 am
I am a devout Catholic who believes that Obama should not deliver the commencement address at the University of Notre Dame! We pray for him to change his views on abortion, but in the meantime, he is an enemy because of his role (implementing law) in snuffing out lives of the unborn. God, our Creator, gives life and takes life. Anyone who tries to replace God in this role is no better than Lucifer leading the angels away from God. Also, Obama should know that this IS a Christian nation. Catholics who support Obama should be ashamed of themselves. Obviously, they don’t REALLY believe what our faith teaches. We call them “cafeteria” Catholics who pick and choose what they want to believe to suit their lifestyle.
Posted by: Petronella | May 16, 2009, 12:30 am 12:30 am
No, the university should not have invited Obama to speak, but not because of his beliefs on abortion. They should not have invited him, because he should be in his office getting some work done, with the economy and country in ruins and still no single-payer, nationalized health-care and pension systems. The university is doing We The People a major disservice by pulling Obama away from the job that we are paying him lavish government salary and benefits to do. Stay in your office and work, Obama. The rest of us are breaking our backs out here in the real world.
Also, how does Obama justify going to speak at one university over all the others?
Yes, on your second question. It is highly appropriate for the students to protest his visit, both because he should be back at the office working and because his views on abortion are twisted and warped.
Posted by: Proud Native American and Independent Voter | May 16, 2009, 12:34 am 12:34 am
TO Judy Beyer: Please read Pope John Paul II’s Encyclical called “The Gospel of Life,” and then you will know what the big deal is! You CANNOT be Catholic and pro-choice. The two are on opposite ends of the spectrum.
Posted by: Petronella | May 16, 2009, 12:36 am 12:36 am
What if you could tell your granndkids that President Obama spoke at your graduation? This is something that Notre Dame Students should be proud of and not be stupid and protest it. Why is it that there were no protests for any of the things that Bush did? The people that are going to protest on sunday and the people that are whining and crying about are just uninvolved citizens that are to lazy to care about what they think so they have to jump on the band wagon for something as stupid as this situation. I think that any of the students that protest shouldn’t be allowed to graduate, and the other people who are protesting should be forced to watch president Obama speak. And to all the people who are whining and complaning on this site should get a freaking life already!
Posted by: Judy Beyer | May 16, 2009, 12:43 am 12:43 am
TO Lindoro Almaviva: Please read your Catechism, paragraphs 2266 and 2267 to understand why capital punishment is sometimes necessary to protect the rest of us in society. How does 152 deaths compare to 42 MILLION babies aborted worldwide each year (resource: The Center for Bio-Ethical Reform). May God have mercy on us!
Posted by: Petronella | May 16, 2009, 12:48 am 12:48 am
And another thing to petronella taht if you really cared you would get your nose out of you bible long enough to relise what time we live in, and another thing I am not a “Cafiteria catholic” I someone who thinks that the peolpe that complain and critize other people are just to ensecure about they’e own religon. I do belive in pro-chioce and don’t need anyone telling me that being catholic and being pro-chioce are at differnt ends of the specturm.
Posted by: Judy Beyer | May 16, 2009, 12:58 am 12:58 am
To Judy Beyer: In the “Gospel of Life,” Pope John Paul II says,”The deliberate decision to deprive and innocent human being of his life is always morally evil and can never be licit either as an end in itself or as a means to a good end. It is in face a grave act of disobedience to the moral law, and indeed to God Himself, the author and guarantor of that law; it contradicts the fundamental virtues of justice and charity.” PAGE 93
Posted by: Petronella | May 16, 2009, 12:58 am 12:58 am
Two problems. What is pro-choice and what is pro-life? I believe in choice when it comes to rape and health of the mother, but not as contraceptive.
So if I vote for a pro-life candidate what do I get?
Second is there a pro-life candidate out there that is moderate on any social issues, health care, the poor, war, taxes,?
If it is pro-life you want then it seems to me that you have to moderate your views on a number of issues to win, if are not willing to do that then you are not really pro-life, because you will loose every time.
Nice of you to claim to be pro-life, but when it comes to making the hard choice to how do you achieve some of your goals it is all or nothing. Meantime we have contraceptive abortions.
Posted by: Thinking | May 16, 2009, 12:59 am 12:59 am
you know what Petronella if where really a very religous person than you shouldn’t urge people to follow your ideals. I completly agree with Lindoro on the subject of bush. And you know babies are born still born all the time and you know what if it was for the childs own good. i know there are others ways but think if you were pregnant because some one raped you or you were ateenage, could you bare the thought of your beautiful baby the baby that you carried for 9 months being with a monster?
Posted by: Judy Beyer | May 16, 2009, 1:04 am 1:04 am
TO Judy Meyer: Times may change, but values do not. The Ten Commandments still rule. Keep in mind that “normal” is just a statistical term. Normal and righteous are two very different concepts. In Noah’s day, most of the people were normal, that is, they thought what they were doing was okay because everyone else was doing it. There were only 8 people who were righteous: Noah and his family. God allowed everyone to perish in the flood except Noah and his family. To God, it doesn’t matter what times we live in. What matters is: did we follow the Ten Commandments? Are we loving or are we hating? Are we helping others or are we hurting others? Are we building up or are we tearing down?
Posted by: Petronella | May 16, 2009, 1:07 am 1:07 am
Notre Dame should NOT have invited President Obama to speak. Commencement is for the graduates and their families and should not be clouded by honoring an individual who does not represent the values of the Catholic University. Congratulations to the individuals who have the moral fortitude to stand up for the right to life! Yes they should protest!
Posted by: Teresa | May 16, 2009, 1:08 am 1:08 am
Let’s remember that Notre Dame has no difficulty accepting tuition dollars from anyone – pro-choice or anti-ab – or from federal programs that help pay that tuition. We enjoy freedoms in America and President Obama represents that – Notre Dame grads should be proud he chose to speak to them on their memorable day. If the University or the Church has problems with that, they should re-evaluate their cash flow.
Posted by: Becky | May 16, 2009, 1:13 am 1:13 am
Well Again to petronella if you would get you nose out of your bible study books you would realise that anyone who does nothing but jump down peoples throught on a website is to caught up in someone elses ideals that they can’t think for themselves.
Posted by: Judy Beyer | May 16, 2009, 1:19 am 1:19 am
TO Thinking: Hello. You raise some good questions. Pro-life means the baby does not die regardless of the circumstances. There is no compromise on this issue. Viewing life as sacred and our bodies as temples of the Holy Spirit puts everything else in perspective. Eventually, pro-life will win.
Those who find themselves in tough situations need only to trust in God and His Divine Providence. Remember, it is not OUR goals that are important, it is God’s will that prevails. Fear of the Lord (honor to God) is the beginning of Wisdom.
Posted by: Petronella | May 16, 2009, 1:20 am 1:20 am
Seriously if you want to really argue stop quoting the bible, John Paul II Book and stop patronizing and critazizng those of us who don’t agree with you.
Posted by: Judy Beyer | May 16, 2009, 1:25 am 1:25 am
TO Judy: My goodness, you sure like to write. A couple of points for you to ponder:
1. If you or I were raped, we would take our rapist to court. Most likely he would not be entitled to parental rights. If we did not want to keep the baby, we could let another family raise the child.
2. Regarding thinking for ourselves: we can only make decisions based on the information we are given. I am passing on information that is not generally known because people are not reading the Encyclicals or the Catechism. They are GREAT and reliable resources.
3. It is not an ideal I am writing about. It is truth.
Posted by: Petronella | May 16, 2009, 1:40 am 1:40 am
It’s not the speech they are protesting as much as the awarding of an honorary degree to the most pro-abortion President in the history of this country. Remeber he voted three times against a ban on partial birth abortion, and abortion to those of the Catholic faith is a mortal sin. I’m not a Catholic, will leave the fights over this to them, but I will never, ever understand the attitude of anyone who would support the murder of a baby who happened to survive an abortion. And at the same time call those who support waterboarding to obtain information from terrorists “criminals”. What is wrong with this picture?
Posted by: Babs | May 16, 2009, 1:40 am 1:40 am
Good night, Judy.
Posted by: Petronella | May 16, 2009, 1:42 am 1:42 am
I agree with everyone who says that the people that are protesting are so stupid, and that they need to find a real cause.
Posted by: Judy Beyer | May 16, 2009, 1:48 am 1:48 am
What is wrong with th epicture is that just because you support Abbortion dosen’t mean that I support waterboarding and i am a Catholic and the only reason that am Pro-choice is not the murder of inocents but because of the health of the mother and the baby.
Posted by: Judy Beyer | May 16, 2009, 1:56 am 1:56 am
Good Night To All!!
Posted by: Judy Beyer | May 16, 2009, 1:58 am 1:58 am
I would just like to say to all of that think you know about the catholic churh that aren’t catholic should just give it a rest. And to those of you that aren’t from Indiana and think you know about are colledges should do some homework. All catholic schools like money i mean DUH!! they’re private and don’t get money from the government like public schools!
Posted by: Judy Beyer | May 16, 2009, 2:15 am 2:15 am
I thought we still enjoy free speech in this country. Oh! I forgot these are Catholic issues so burn the books, burn the witches, burn the heretics, praise Almighty Pope, Priest, and Nuns as the trinity on earth. Please don’t report me to the arch bishop. I voted for Obama. I’m a Christian. I’m protestant. I know what the Catholic church has done in the past to people like me. I understand why they don’t want to hear from anyone different than themselves. A little religion can be dangerous and with a lot of religion you become the Catholic church. The Pope knows best!
Posted by: David Purkiss | May 16, 2009, 2:15 am 2:15 am
I don’t believe the person inviting President Obama to speak at the graduation even thought about the abortion issue He just wanted a big name, Unfortunately he should have used
some of his reasoning to realize that
the President passed the abortion bill
as soon as he could because thats the democratic platform. While he may give a nice speech he is really talking to
his party, not the graduates. Its all
politics as usual. Abortion is wrong it is the taking of an innocent life.
Posted by: Ann Gubler | May 16, 2009, 2:49 am 2:49 am
I was Catholic… This is exactly the reason I am no longer Catholic…
Wouldn’t it make sense if you are a Catholic… to follow the examples of tolerance which Christ had laid down by his own actions of love and forgiveness…
Certainly not all Catholics … Generally speaking….
I see Catholics in the lead among some Christians as the most intolerant of any they deem less than themselves…
so I became less…in the hope of becoming something more…
Notre Dame is a place of higher learning, as such should not stoop to the lowly positions some seem to have opted for…An Invitation to President, this President was a good one. An invitation of inclusion and tolerance.
Those who decide to walk out have that right… If that is what they feel they have every right to act accordingly even if Christ living today would IMO, try to find common ground… and not insist that it be his way or the highway…
It makes clear that what they believe is more important than the actions of their own Savior…
Posted by: theafalcon200 | May 16, 2009, 7:11 am 7:11 am
For those who don’t Obama to speak that’s your right to speak out against it. For those who want Obama to speak..it your right to speak out for it..this is America! Freedom of Speech, But I cannot remember any protestations when all these Catholic priests were, and are still being accused of molesting little children..maybe am missing something..but isn’t that something to protest against! Me thinks me smell some hypocrisy here..anyway, that seem to be the order of life now..HYPOCRISY!
Posted by: Stanley | May 16, 2009, 10:14 am 10:14 am
The media bias is so bad that most of the country in immune to it, thankfully I am not. This article coming from ABC (no surprise) calls us anti-abortion when our legal name is pro-life. If people for abortion are called pro-choice and those against anti-choice, wouldn’t it stand to reason that they could also call us pro-life and them anti-life. All I am doing is using thier technique. The media in this counrty is so biased that I believe it poses a great threat to the future of our country.
Posted by: steve | May 16, 2009, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
Us Catholics are all for inclusion and tolerance. The word ‘catholic’ means universal. However, we can’t tolerate acts by some that hurt or kill others. Should we tolerate racists and bullies?
Another thing, let’s put this pedophile thing in perspective. Sure, it is terrible that a minute minority of priests were guilty of such behavior; but pedohilia, sexual abuse, spousal abuse, rape, etc are rampant problems throughout our society. The media has completely given the public a distorted view to think this is problem related to Catholic priests.
Back to Obama at ND, the problem is ND INVITING him and giving him an AWARD !
If he asked to come or was invited to come for a discussion where knowledgeable people familiar with early life issues were able to respond to his policies that would be fine. But to put him on stage as a model to imitate is completely absurd and gives students a wrong message.
This is not to diminish the great historical significance of an African American being elected president after so much racial problems over the years.
Also this is not to say Obama does not have many good qualities.
However, abortion is a life or death issue. It is not that we are protesting something such as eating meat on Fridays.
Posted by: Chris M | May 16, 2009, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm
This message board proves everything. Notre Dame President Fr.Jenkins is no more Catholic than the that are atheist writing their dribble on this board. I hope Notre loses every football game they ever play
Posted by: steve | May 16, 2009, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm
Fr. Jenkins needs to go. Maybe Obama can put him in the Cabinet where he would fit right in with the other baby killers that are running this country.
Posted by: steve | May 16, 2009, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm
Let’s face it people, this is not an issue about abortion it is an issue about homosexuality. If Obama was anti-homosexual Jemkins wouldn’t let him within 100 miles of Notre Dame. People in this counrty need to open their eyes a little, especially Catholics (which I am). This whole thing is not about the President or abortion its about homosexuals like Jenkins promoting there agenda, plain and simple.
Posted by: steve | May 16, 2009, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
I wonder if Obama was anti-homosexual instead of anti-life would Jenkins let him on the campus. Unfortunately we all know the answer to that one.
Posted by: steve | May 16, 2009, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
I distinctively remember reading the Bible in where Jesus states: “forgive thy enemy”. Catholics are misusing the image of Jesus as they have done for centuries. His message wasn’t that complicated, “Love and Forgiveness”, what’s hard about that?
Posted by: robynsf | May 16, 2009, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
No wonder the Catholic Church is losing members. It has no morals left.
Posted by: mark | May 16, 2009, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm
These students worked honestly to get their degree now Obama with his affirmative action degree from before is going to get another affirmative action degree. Isn’t America grand
Posted by: gunga | May 16, 2009, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
Well to David, the pope does know best and being catholic doesn’t mean that we want every one to belive what we belive. And I’m young but I dan’t rember anyone telling me that the catholic church hurt any protestants.
Posted by: Judy Beyer | May 16, 2009, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
What I think is stupid is that all of the people that are complaning and whinning are people that voted for Obama. I can’t belive that this is such a big deal. I mean seriously, a stupid speech is not going to kill anyone. and besides its not like he will be preaching to the students of Notre Dame.I mean come on, its a free country and he is the president he earned the right to speak where ever he wants. And its not like he is going around telling people that they should get an abortion!
Posted by: Judy Beyer | May 16, 2009, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm
Free speech doesn’t guarantee an audience. I don’t see David Duke being invited to speak at Howard University. In 1989, Howard student body was not too happy to have Lee Atwater on their board. One major function of education is to transmit the value system of the society, so excluding Obama as inimical to right-to-life issues seems appropriate to me.
Posted by: Bob Kayros | May 16, 2009, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm
To answer Jack’s question which by the way I first found a little insulting, There is no way possible that Notre Dame would allow an anti-homosexual speaker any where near that campus. And all of that “but he’s the President” crap would quickly fall by the wasteside. He makes a very good point
Posted by: taylor | May 16, 2009, 8:17 pm 8:17 pm
Yes Jenkins will bow to Obama as he turns his back on the Catholic Church. I don’t think that Jack has it right but I do believe that Jenkins is a heretic.
Posted by: jamie | May 16, 2009, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm
At 7:42 Jack posted an interesting question and I would like to take the time to answer it. No way on God’s green earth does Notre Dame give the podium to an anti-homosexual speaker. That’s a no brainer
Posted by: Bill | May 16, 2009, 8:33 pm 8:33 pm
Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior of All and that’s the end of it.
Posted by: Maria DiGirolamo | May 16, 2009, 10:44 pm 10:44 pm
This little boy crush that Jenkins seems to have on obama has cost the university a great deal. Him resigning isn’t enough, he should be removed from the priesthood and I as a Catholic wouldn’t go near a church where he was saying Mass.
Posted by: johnny | May 17, 2009, 12:04 am 12:04 am
Seriously Its not that big of a fraking deal! Obama may not be perfect but you know he’s the best president that we’ve had in a while!So just suck it up already!!
Posted by: Judy Beyer | May 17, 2009, 12:19 am 12:19 am
Hello where is everybody did you all come to Indiana for the graduation tomorrow or what?
Posted by: Judy Beyer | May 17, 2009, 1:05 am 1:05 am
The worst part of this hole ordeal is that this is all over the news and other shows, i mean come on. there were no segments on anything about what bush was up to. We just let him live his stupid life. But the second that Obama just alittle out of the ordenary the entire freakin country is jumping down anyones throught that agrees with Obama.
Posted by: Judy Beyer | May 17, 2009, 1:17 am 1:17 am
The majority of those who object to the President’s appearance at ND would not dispute his right to speak there. The university has a long tradition of inviting presidents to commencement. The problem, and it is significant, is that many, many Catholics object quite pointedly to the University’s conferring an honorary doctorate on anyone, however otherwise deserving, who is adamantly, vocally, and politcally at odds with the Church’s position on the sanctity of life.
If reverance for life consititutes a “dark ages” mentality Dr. Johnson, I fear for your patients.
Posted by: George McGuan | May 17, 2009, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm