Bringing Your Gun to the Local Bar…It’s Legal
A heads up about a piece we're working on for tonight. It's about a new law in Tennessee that allows licensed gun owners to carry a concealed weapon to a bar or restaurant. Yes, bars and restaurants that serve alcohol.
State lawmakers argue that crime and violence can happen in all sorts of places including the local family restaurant. Carrying a gun, some argue, will allow a restaurant goer to have a chance at defending themselves.
The other side of the debate – which includes some bar owners – feel the new gun rule only raises the danger and will scare off business.
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There’ll be a few less of them throwing empty beer bottles on the side of the road on the way home?
I’m all for it!
Posted by: Bill in NC | August 17, 2009, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
I believe that as long as the person who is carrying the handgun is not drinking, then there is no problem. I wish I lived in a “SHALL ISSUE” state. I live in Maryland, where you need a good reason to carry. My reason, I want to be able to defend my family and myself from the idiots that mug, rob, stab, and shoot others. Baltimore has a gang problem right at the Inner Harbor where just this weekend someone was shot. Even with the HIGH POLICE PRESSENCE. Let me carry a gun so I can defend my family. I have had handgun safety and instruction by certified Maryland, Florida, Federal, and International Firearms Instructors. I think the police get 40 hours in some localities of that training. But can I get a permit to carry, no. The training I have is more than what is generally required by law enforcement agencies. I still cannot have a permit. Thats Maryland for you!
Posted by: Jay | August 17, 2009, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
There are lots of educated people in TN that know that you’re more likely to be run over and killed riding your bicycle than to have to use your gun to defend yourself in a bar or restaurant. Paranoia does not rule all Tennesseans, nor are we all dumb. We’ll eventually beat the stereotype, after we overcome stupid legislation like this.
Posted by: Bean King | August 17, 2009, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
“Paranoia does not rule all Tennesseans, nor are we all dumb. We’ll eventually beat the stereotype, after we overcome stupid legislation like this.”
Too late Bean King, outside the US, you are already viewed just like that. In a recent study ranking safety for citizens around the world, the US ranked 82nd, mostly due to gun violence, which BTW, affects 4 times more regular people than criminals, while countries with the most restrictive gun laws land the top 10. The more guns or the more places they’re allowed will result in more gun-related deaths.
Posted by: treblig56 | August 17, 2009, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
PA has had this law, actually….no law against carrying a firearm in any place that serves alcohol……..and it doesn’t cause any problems.
Posted by: Steve | August 17, 2009, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm
The people in the Luby’s Restaurant massacre in Texas would certainly loved to have had someone sitting beside their family with a firearm when a deranged gunman killed and wounded over 40 patrons.
When concealed carry licenses were first approved, the naysayers proclaimed there would be Dodge City type shootouts in the streets. Did it ever happen?
Posted by: Louisiana Sam | August 17, 2009, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
People who have a conceal carry license are not allowed to drink while carrying..it is a felony…it is also against the law to carry into an establishment that posts a sign as well..abc news did not mention these tidbits of information.
Posted by: Linda | August 17, 2009, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm
Owning a gun comes with the same responsibilities as owning and driving a car, where alcohol is concerned. All resposible people accept that if you drink you don’t drive and if you carry you don’t drink.
Posted by: Hendrick8 | August 17, 2009, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm
I live in Michigan, a “shall issue” state and have a permit. I can’t carry into a bar, but can carry into a restaurant that happens to serve alcohol. The “carrying while impaired” limit is a low .02. This is just not an issue in this state and shouldn’t be in TN. Or on ABC.
Posted by: Mark | August 17, 2009, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm
Once again, people are being frightened by the liberal news media reporting anti-gun stories. What wasn’t mentioned in this report is the fact that law-abiding citizens who have gone through firearms safety courses to obtain their concealed carry licence ‘know they are prohibited’ from consuming alcohol when armed. We are talking about responsible citizens who have passed background checks and legally choose concealed carry to protect themselves and their families from those who live outside the law. Criminals illegally carry weapons for the use in committing crimes against law-abiding citizens. Maybe they would think twice about trying to rob a bar or restaurant if they were unsure who might also be armed and ready to protect themselves.
An armed society is a polite society.
Posted by: Richard | August 17, 2009, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm
A concealed carry individual has been through background checks and has had to take classes to carry. They should be allowed to carry in bars or places to eat as it is already against their right to carry to be under the influence. The legal carriers are not the ones you have to worry about.
Posted by: Jeff | August 17, 2009, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm
An armed society is a polite society. If you knew the polite family man sitting at the table next to you could be armed, chances are you would be polite to him. So long as the concealed handgun licence holder is obeying the law and not consuming any alcohol there should be no problem. I would feel much more comfortable having a resturant full of armed men and women. CHL carriers are allowed to carry in resturant in Texas as long as less than 51 percent of their sales are from alcohol. There have been no bloodbaths in Texas since the permits have been issued. Our citizens know that there is an armed presence in Texas now. We all feel much safer and are glad that we can enjoy a night out on the town.
Posted by: John in Texas | August 17, 2009, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm
“Bringing Your Gun to the Local Bar…It’s Legal”..
Well not true in Florida! Florida Statute 790.06 (12) includes as one of the places that is NOT authorized to carry concealed weapons: (not just firearms, but also other weapons)
“….any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose;….” [i.e. the BAR]
If you are NOT IN “THE BAR” area, you CAN carry legally with a permit in the facility.
In addition, 790.151 states: “It is unlawful and punishable as provided in subsection (4) for any person who is under the influence of alcoholic beverages, … “to discharge a firearm or to have a firearm readily accessible for immediate discharge.” [except this does not apply if for "lawful self-defense or defense of one's property."]
No permit owners I know ever drink while carrying concealed. It is just not worth it.
ABC should clarify their broadcast to provide the true and unbiased facts. Doing anything less is irresponsible journalism.
Posted by: Darrell | August 17, 2009, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm
I live in N.C. and you can not carry in any place that serves alcohol or any place but in the middle of the street. The word concealed means just that. No one should know you have it on you. Thugs do not care about the LAWS. People drink and drive and kill, so I guess there should be a law for that too, o wait there is.
Posted by: Dave | August 17, 2009, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm
Shame on you ABC News for not doing your homework and taking the word of some shill from the Anti-Gun movement for facts. You might want to do your own piece on Fact Checks on this one.
In 3 of the states where I am allowed to Conceal Carry a handgun, there are restrictions on true “bars” as defined by those states. In another, an establishment which has a bar area, and a restaurant area is OK, but you must stay out of the “bar area” which is clearly marked. NONE of these states were shown in your map during the piece. (guess it did not give the same impact).
Here in Texas establishments which derive 51% of their revenue from liquor sales are off limits and are marked with 51% signs. Restaurants which do server alcohol, were initially concerned with this law, but over the last 10 years those few who posted signs requiring customers with a concealed handgun permit to not carry while on premises has since taken those signs down. They found that the law abiding, customers they were turning away were more valuable then rhetoric.
The unfortunate incidents in most bars around the country where there is a shooting, you will find on further investigation that the persons involved were already violating laws on gun procession before they even entered the bar.
If the folks in Tennessee who have filed their lawsuit get there way, you may actually see an increase in crime at bars and restaurants because the bad guys will know there are easy targets coming out of them because they can not carry a concealed weapon. (Look at what happened to Florida with Tourists and rental cars).
But, obviously ABC News is too lazy to do any real research, it’s far easier to get a special interest group to give your stories.
Posted by: G-MAN | August 17, 2009, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm
I watched the evening news tonight concerning the new gun law in Tennessee that allows licensed permit holders to bring their concealed handgun into a bar or restaurant. I was appalled by the commentary that ABC News reported. Not only was it one-sided, but only commented on the law itself and not the issues of concealed carry law. First, if you are a licensed concealed carry permit holder in my State of Kentucky, you can bring your concealed handgun into a restaurant whose primary source of income is from the consumption of food, and not alcohol. Second, I’m a family man myself and both me and my wife are concealed carry permit holders, and we both feel safer going into any establishment where we are allowed to carry our weapon because if some nut job decides to come into that establishment and start shooting people, either me, my wife, or another concealed carry permit holder will be the first line of defense, not the police! It can take as long as 6 minutes before the first police officer arrives on the scene, and by that time many innocent lives could already be lost. Third, most business owners embrace the concealed carry law; not reject it. It’s not only a matter of my right for self protection, but the protection and preservation of other innocent lives. It’s also ironic that the news media only looks at the surface of the gun laws in this country, and often take the opposite stand against our fundamental rights guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution. ABC should do a much better job of researching the issues on gun laws in this country and at least make an attempt to report the facts fairly. As ABC news reported, there are some people that just have a disregard for the responsibilities that come from having a concealed weapons permit, such as the man who pulled his weapon and shot another man dead in a bar. But, there are many examples and parallels that we can draw from these profiles in just about every profession. No, I do not condone drinking alcohol and carrying a weapon anywhere, but I fully understand my responsibilities, and the laws that go with the concealed carry permit, just as if I were a sworn public official. Finally, if business owners want to post a sign on their business to not allow guns into their establishment then that is their right. However, just remember that sign only attracts the bad guys who know that they can come into that establishment and take out as many people as they want before the police even get there to protect the innocent. I don’t know about you, but I don’t like those odds, and neither should you!
Posted by: Tim in KY | August 17, 2009, 7:43 pm 7:43 pm
I cannot believe what I just saw on ABC news. I watch this news as an alternative to NBC – and now….well, I suppose CBS is the last non-cable news I can watch.
The reason the vast majority of states allow concealed carry in alcohol-serving establishments is that it is in these places that irresponsible people well threaten the lives of others. A licensed CCW holder is trained, vetted, and KNOWS that alcohol and firearms do not mix.
If a person licensed for concealed carry drinks and carries – lock-’em up and throw away the key. This is unthinkable.
If a person licensed for concealed carry saves an innocent life during a bar shooting – that person is a hero and should be honored.
This was a biased news story unlike I’ve ever seen on ABC news. Shame on ABC. Shame.
Everyone reading this comment: contact every advertiser you saw on this show. Tell them you won’t even consider buying their products due to ABC’s biased news reporting. Email them NOW!
Posted by: Larry Jones | August 17, 2009, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm
I fully agree. My nephew the police officer says “when seconds count, the police officer is just minutes away. ”
Many concealed carry holders are trained ex-police or military. Allowing concealed carry MAY reduce armed attacks. If an attack occurs, an armed citizen May stop it more quickly. Even if this doesn’t happen, we are still better off than not having this possibility.
Posted by: Darrell | August 17, 2009, 8:04 pm 8:04 pm
I have no more a problem with citizens who have a permit to carry a concealed handgun to carry in any place that a policeman is able to. Criminals do not care what the law is. Penalizing people who have undergone a criminal background check and know how to use a fire arm safely are no threat. The Supreme Court has already ruled that citizens cannot be barred from carrying firearms. Get used to it. I have my permit to carry and feel it is my patriotic duty to do so. Liberal medias’ attempt to make us into villains is getting tiresome.
Posted by: Paul | August 17, 2009, 8:56 pm 8:56 pm
“A heads up about a piece we’re working on for tonight” there was nothing heads up about this piece I just watched on TV. Very rarely do I get fed up enought to write about much. But this news piece was an abortion of reporting. Yes they mentioned the part about bar or resturaunt owners posting signs and not allowing wapons in their establishments.
But where was the part about CCW permit holders not being allowed to drink while carying. The woman who they featured who’s husband was shot was right on with her statement. How about a statement about how few CCW permits are revoked every year due to violence, etc… ABC KEEP WORKING ON THIS PIECE YOU MAY JUST GET IT RIGHT EVENTUALLY.. Maybe you should consult the NRA for some facts before publishing CRAP!
Posted by: Scott | August 17, 2009, 9:05 pm 9:05 pm
I am a gun carring PERMIT HOLDER,past a backround check,past a safty course class,non-drinker,being more secure with the Guns in Resturants & Bars cause most drunks pick fights with people 6`5″.So happy the State of Tennessee passed this law.Far as ” Dodge City” Bussiness owners are taking this to extreme imagination!! Jack
Posted by: Jack L Edelbach | August 17, 2009, 9:08 pm 9:08 pm
ABC=All Barack Channel. Anything to push Anti-Gun legisaltion. The folks that seem to fret the most about this issue are the same ones that fuss because there is too much crime in the streets. My question is, what have you done about it? You called 911 once? Whoopee! Do you think legal concealed carry folks are all unhinged and out of the frame because we want to protect ourselves and our families? What ever will I do if you are not there to call 911 for me? SHEEP!
Posted by: Robert | August 17, 2009, 9:13 pm 9:13 pm
Pure hatchet job with facts supplied by the Brady bunch. I see ABC has decided to turn themselves over as part of the national state run news service.
Posted by: ANTIUSSA | August 17, 2009, 9:19 pm 9:19 pm
This is why FOX News is so popular. I haven’t seen such a one sided report since I stopped watching NBC News!!
This is so blatantly pro gun control!
You should not call yourself a news program. It should be “Let us tell you what the Liberals Want you should think”
Posted by: Dorina | August 17, 2009, 9:55 pm 9:55 pm
The fact many people are forgetting, or blatantly OMITTING, is that as American citizens we are born into a country where owning and carrying firearms is a god(allah, vishnu) given right that cannot be infringed upon or taken away. I live in Florida, where I am licensed to carry a concealed weapon on my person at almost all times. As with most laws there are certian guidelines. I can’t carry in a government building (courthouse, jail building, etc.) and I cannot carry inside of an establishment whose main business is the serving of alcohol. It’s redundant to say that guns and alcohol don’t mix. It’s common sense. If you’re carrying however, you’re not ALLOWED to drink. Carrying inside of a restaurant or bar is no different than carrying into a grocery store or walking down the street. I must be able to protect my family and myself from violence, firearms are the tool I choose to utilize to maintain that ability. Not everyone must own a firearm, it’s a personal choice. Simply note that because YOU don’t own one, doesn’t mean you can affect MY ability to own and carry one. This mode of thinking is absolutely ludacris and outlandish.
Posted by: Scott | August 17, 2009, 10:03 pm 10:03 pm
I belive that carry coceled weapon anyplace is a problem but to a bar or any eating establishment is a very big mistake. As a former law enforcement officer I think Tennesse bettter re think this law before alot of incoent people get hurt.
Posted by: go91a | August 17, 2009, 10:16 pm 10:16 pm
ABC in their usual laziness on gun stories forgot or purposely left out that Concealed Weapon Permits are only valid when they are not drinking or intoxicated. Most CWP states already had laws like this one, and it has never been a problem. How many bars are now going to be held up because they post a NO GUNS sign. That is what happened in Minneapolis.
Posted by: Martin | August 17, 2009, 10:50 pm 10:50 pm
I love to watch ABC,NBC,CBS,CNN and MSNBC and then watch FOX News.The propaganda presented by ABC News and others proves these networks are pushing their liberal agenda.The only people I don’t trust carrying a weapon into a establishment are the ones that didn’t receive gun training.
Posted by: John | August 17, 2009, 10:52 pm 10:52 pm
*LOL* “Maybe you should consult the NRA for some facts” – and I’m sure they’ll offer some very unbiased “facts”.
Posted by: stu | August 17, 2009, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm
Well if this keeps up there won’t be anywhere but New York City and Washington DC where someone can go to rob, rape and attack. Its getting to dangerous for even gang members to steal money for drugs without getting shot, there goes another good paying job.
Posted by: ABCLIES2 | August 17, 2009, 11:52 pm 11:52 pm
I had to laugh at the bar owner who thought gun toting customers might turn fist fights into gun fights. Perhaps the possibility of gun toting customers might make him a little more careful about getting his patrons so drunk they want to fight at all.
Posted by: Larry | August 18, 2009, 12:49 am 12:49 am
Bean King “There are lots of educated people in TN that know that you’re more likely to be run over and killed riding your bicycle than to have to use your gun to defend yourself in a bar or restaurant.”
Tim in KY “If a person licensed for concealed carry saves an innocent life during a bar shooting – that person is a hero and should be honored.”
Gunowners are much more likely to shoot themselves, someone they know or an innocent bystander than a criminal. Unless they have frequent training in simulated realistic scenarios like the military, they will not be able to react well and shoot accurately under extreme stress in a life and death situation.
I find it ironic that one is allowed to carry a gun when drinking but not to control a car.
Posted by: John | August 18, 2009, 4:38 am 4:38 am
This was a simple “sensationalist media” piece that failed to tell the whole story. Many states, including Georgia where I live have a similar law. The important issue, not mentioned in this report was that the carrier of the concealed weapon cannot drink.
And no, I do not carry a weapon into restaurants and I do not agree with it whole heartedly.
On the other hand, the statistics show that people with carry permits are not involved in crime or in shootings of random violence.
More importantly, with the nuts that are on the streets, and in the restaurants, maybe having some guns in these establishments is not a bad idea.
Until the criminal element is well aware that the sentence will far surpass the act, we will continue to have gun related crimes of heinous nature.
So I stand in the middle, but to ABC news, please, if you are going to give a story of this nature, give everyone all the facts and leave the sensationalism for the National Enquirer.
Posted by: Tex Pitfield | August 18, 2009, 10:16 am 10:16 am
For struggle, Solidarity and Socialism! I swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Obama. Our laws and his will, according to him. We will not overthrow the government with violence. We shall stand, remain and be the law of his realm forever. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead for Obama to deliver them from evil.
Posted by: Jason Hinklestein | August 18, 2009, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
None of these honks ever bothers to read the second amendment. It doesn’t say that all citizens have the right to bear arms. It says people can bear arms if they are a part of a well-regulated militia. I don’t know a single gun toting cracker who belongs to a well-regulated militia. Owning a weapon is not a constitutional right if you don’t belong to a well-regulated militia. All the gun nuts say they have a second amendment right to bear arms but they have never read the actual amendment, obviously.
Posted by: Red Blade | August 18, 2009, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
This is another story in a renewed ABC anti-gun agenda. It is noteworthy how fast ABC changed tracks after the 2008 elections! They choose to demonize anyone who wants to be legally licensed and carrying a gun for the protection of themselves and those around them. They cite no balanced statistics or argument, making this piece an editorial not news! Drinking a beer does not make a person with a concealed pistol license a felon or prone to that end. The same holds true for off duty Police Officers who may enjoy a beer with dinner. ABC would leave the majority of Americans defenseless against the unlicensed felons who are ignoring the law and always will. We cannot become sheep until all the wolves are off the street, and that will never happen. Refuse to be a victim. Exercise your right to self protection and right to bear arms.
Posted by: J .T. | August 18, 2009, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm
I was sadly disappointed with the broadcast on guns in bars. I knew ABC would be biased. I organize and teach Women on Target clinics in NC. All of my participants are looking to learn and improve their skills and all want to learn the laws for concealed carry. We refer them to a concealed carry instructor after they take our clinics on safety and how-to’s. Most are surprised to learn I carry because I am just an ordinary working class single mother. As always – if I don’t need it no one will ever know I have it. That’s what concealed is all about. I do wish ABC would get their facts correct and do a FAIR story
Posted by: Penny Gilliam | August 18, 2009, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm
ABC (along with CBS and NBC) have all lost the concept of what journalism is supposed to be – that is to report the facts.
They used rhetoric to scare people and twisted the information just enough to make it look bad.
ABC, CBS and NBC are all liberal and that is why they are losing viewers at an alarming rate. There is no balance in their reporting – it is slanted and this has been documented.
They fail to realize that the freedom of speech and the “freedom of the press” is protected just like the freedom to own a gun. Many would say the 2nd amendment is what really protects the remaining amendments.
If people (limit this to liberals) would truly analyze the Center of Disease deaths where a gun is involved they would be shocked by what they find. The facts that liberals use are twisted to support their view point and in fact are taken out of context.
Posted by: Mike | August 18, 2009, 11:03 pm 11:03 pm
Alfred Azzopardi, a lad aged 20, has on August 17 confessed his crime of attacking Dr. Hibernal and also admitted to the whole lot of 40 other charges levied on him. Magistrate Amanda Chambers remanded Azzopardi to be in judicial custody till he is produced in the County Court in November. Azzorpardi will appear along with his robbery partner Michael Baltatzis , who too admitted to all the charges before two weeks. Azzorpardi did not apply for a bail. Magistrate Sarah Dawes refused Baptizes bail owing to the unacceptable risk he posed to public safety.
It may be remembered that Dr. Hibernal who was born inLucknow India and later moved permanently to Australia in 1990 and established practice in Melbourne district of state Victoria, geographically located in the south-east corner of Australia was beaten with a baseball bat in the head ,kicked and punched near ‘Dennis Reserve’ in Williamstown, a sub-rub which is within eight km’s reach from Melbourne. Following the event of assault, a brain surgery was performed on him. The attack was brutal to the extent that the skull was fractured and the victim remained in coma stage following the surgery. It is noteworthy that Hibernal became the vice-president of the Victorian branch of the Australian Medical Association (AMA) in 1998, and three years later was elected as the president of the association
Posted by: Aliensinfotech | August 19, 2009, 8:44 am 8:44 am
Coming from a family member of a legal concealed carry permit holder who used his gun in lethal self defense of himself and several other people in a public establishment I am very supportive of the right to legally carry nearly “anywhere.” Gun holders are, overall, responsible and the mere proximity to alcohol will not cause gun violence, but can save lives from those who are going to act illegally law or no law.
Posted by: Jen | August 19, 2009, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
For starters, I think everyone should be well aware of the uncommon fact, in Tennessee there is NO SUCH THING as CONCEALED CARRY PERMITS. I possess a handgun carry permit, which allows me to carry my handgun in the open where all can see. That being said, anyone who has been through what I had to go through to get this permit, should be allowed to carry it anywhere (except government buildings, and schools) inside this great state.
Open carry permits (which is what Tennesse has) are very extensive and difficult to obtain. Which means any Joe Blow can’t get one. I promise you, any moron who walked in somewhere to commit a crime with a gun, would certainly think twice if they could see they were out numbered 10 to 1.
Posted by: Jeremy Skidmore | August 29, 2009, 5:58 am 5:58 am
It’s legal in 41 states, including mine.
So who of the gun-grabbers can name 3 incidents of legally armed gun owners shooting innocent victims in a bar or restaurant?
Where’s the “blood bath”?
Allowed is the normal thing, banned is the exception to the norm.
Posted by: StarKing | September 11, 2009, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm