Fact Check: Euthanasia and Health Care Reform

Finally, the truth, thank you. As a senior citizen I was concerned.

I found the Fact Check to be a Fact Farce. You opened with a statement from Sarah Palin. Why, the Backwoods Barbie Wannabe is of no importance, she is no longer an elected offical and I for one am sick of hearing about her. Why the media insists on putting her on a pedistal evey chance they get is beyond me. She’s nothing and her opinion doesn’t amount to “a hill of beans” (Sorry Bogey). Your efforts should have been concentrated on the facts and explaining them properly, which you did not do. If your report is a Fact Check, then give us the correct facts and elminate the political partisian tribe.

What a stupid debate. ALL the elderly are already covered by government health care (Medicare) and have been for decades.

Your Fact Chaeck was not specific or correct. Post the specific parts of the bill and then state what the myth is. You never quoted the specific part of the bill that supported your statement that seniors would be the ones to initiate the consultation on end of life options. The bill states that it is manditory every 5 years. Get it straight read section 1233. ABC news continues to lean left on every issue.

Good for you, Ann Geary. The forces behind these so-called Town Hall “protests” have been evident to all who really wanted to see that their purpose had little to do with reforming health care but with preserving a status quo that made insurance companies’ PROFITS among the highest last quarter in the middle of a recession that has been bankrupting people who get sick and can no longer afford their insurance. THIS IS JUST WRONG.

Why didn’t Carter reform Health Care?
Why didn’t Clinton reform Health Care?
just asking

Please tell me that the following is not from one of their health plans. After all there are at least 1,000 pages. They have to say something in there. Are they pulling the wool over our eyes?
BELOW IS THE DETAILED ANALYSIS OF THE 1000 PAGE HEALTH CARE PLAN BY MY FRIEND MAT STAVER, DEAN OF LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW:
Obama Health Care Plan Details
HR 3200 currently under consideration in the House of Representatives
*HC = “Health Care”
Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Government will audit the books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!
Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC Bill – YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!
Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC Bill – THERE WILL BE A GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get
Pg 42 of HC Bill – The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your benefits for you. You have no choice!
Pg 50 Section 152 in HC Bill – HC will be provided to ALL non-U.S. citizens, illegal or otherwise
Pg 58 HC Bill – Government will have real-time access to individual’s finances and a National ID Health Care Card will be issued!
Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Government will have direct access to your banks accounts for electronic funds transfer.
Pg 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions and community organizations (ACORN).
Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Government is creating a Health Care Exchange to bring private health care plans under government control.
Pg 84 Sec 203 HC Bill – Government mandates ALL benefit packages for private health care plans in the Exchange
Pg 85 Line 7 HC Bill – Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The government will ration your health care!
Pg 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill – Government mandates linguistic appropriate services.
Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The government will use groups i.e., ACORN & AmeriCorps to sign up individuals for government Health Care Plan
Pg 85 Line 7 HC Bill – Specs of Ben Levels 4 Plans. #AARP members – Your health care WILL be rationed
Pg 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill – Medicaid Eligible Individual will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.
Pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue the government on price fixing. No “judicial review” against this government monopoly.
Pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill – Doctors/ #AMA – The government will tell YOU what you can make.
Pg 145 Line 15-17 An employer MUST auto enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE
Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for health care for part-time employees AND their families.
Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Employer w/ payroll 400k and above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll
Pg 150 Lines 9-13 Businesses with payroll between 251k and 400k who do not provide public opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll
Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable health care according to government will be taxed 2.5% of income.
Pg 170 Lines 1-3 Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay).
Pg 195 Officers & employees of HC Administration (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans’ financial and personal records.
Pg 203 Line 14-15 HC – “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.” Yes, it says that.
Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Government will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected.
Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill – Doctors, it does not matter what specialty you have, you’ll all be paid the same.
Pg 253 Line 10-18 Government sets value of doctors’ time, prof judg, etc. Literally value of humans.
Pg 265 Sec 1131Government mandates and controls productivity for private health care industries.
Pg 268 Sec 1141 Federal Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
Pg 272 SEC. 1145. Treatment of certain cancer hospitals – Cancer patients – welcome to rationing!
Page 280 Sec 1151 The government will penalize hospitals for what government deems preventable readmissions. (Incentives for hospital to not treat and release.)
Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Doctors that treat a patient during initial admission that results in a readmission-Government will penalize you.
Pg 317 L 13-20 PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Government tells Doctors what/how much they can own.
Pg 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Government is mandating hospitals cannot expand.
pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception, BUT community input required. Can you say ACORN?!!
Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 – Government mandates establishment of outcome based measures. Health Care the way they want. Rationing.
Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans (Part B), HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Government plan.
Pg 354 Sec 1177 – Government will RESTRICT enrollment of special needs people!
Pg 379 Sec 1191 Government creates more bureaucracy – Tele-health Advisory Committee. Health care by phone/Internet?
Pg 425 Lines 4-12 Government mandates Advance [Death] Care Planning Consultion. Think Senior Citizens end of life.
Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!
Pg 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Government provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death.
Pg 427 Lines 15-24 Government mandates program for orders for end of life. The government has a say in how your life ends.
Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An “advanced care planning consult” will be used frequently as patient’s health deteriorates.
Pg 429 Lines 10-12 ” advanced care consultation” may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from Government.
Pg 429 Lines 13-25 – The government will specify which doctors can write an end of life order.
PG 430 Lines 11-15 The government will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life.
Pg 469 – Community Based Home Medical Services=Non-profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Services here!!?
Pg 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment to a community-based org. Like ACORN?
Pg 489 Sec 1308 The government will cover Marriage and Family therapy. They will insert government into your marriage.
Pg 494-498 Government will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, rationing those services.
PG 502 Sec 1181 Center for Comparative Effectiveness Research Established. – Hello Big Brother – Literally.
Pg 503 Lines 13-19 Government will build registries and data networks from YOUR electronic medical records.
Pg 503 lines 21-25 Government may secure data directly from any department or agency of the U.S. who have any of your data.
Pg 504 Lines 6-10 The “Center” will collect data both published and unpublished (that means public and your private info).
PG 506 Lines 19-21 The Center will recommend policies that would allow for public access of data.
PG 518 Lines 21-25 The Commission will have input from Health Care consumer reps – Can you say unions and ACORN?
PG 524 18-22 Comparative Effectiveness Research Trust Fund set up. More taxes for ALL.
PG 621 Lines 20-25 Government will define what quality means in health care. Since when does government know about quality?
Pg 622 Lines 2-9 To pay for the Quality Standards, government will transfer money from other government Trust Funds. More Taxes.
PG 624 “Quality” measures shall be designed to assess outcomes and functional status of patients.
PG 624 “Quality” measures shall be designed to profile you including race, age, gender, place of residence, etc.
Pg 628 Sec 1443 Government will give “Multi-Stake Holders” Pre-Rule Making input into Selection of “Quality” Measures.
Pg 630 9-24/631 1-9 Those multi-stake holder groups include unions and groups like ACORN deciding health care quality.
Pg 632 Lines 14-25 The Government may implement any “Quality measure” of health care services as they see fit.
PG 633 14-25/ 634 1-9 The Secretary may issue non-endorsed “Quality Measures” for Physician Services and Dialysis Services.
Pg 635 to 653 Physicians Payments Sunshine Provision – Government wants to shine sunlight on doctor but not government.
Pg 654-659 Public Reporting on Health Care-Associated Infections – Looks okay.
PG 660-671 Doctors in Residency – Government will tell you where your residency will be, thus where you’ll live.
Pg 676-686 Government will regulate hospitals in EVERY aspect of residency programs, including teaching hospitals.
Pg 686-700 Increased Funding to Fight Waste, Fraud, and Abuse. Do they mean like the government with an $18 million website?
PGs 701-704 Sec 1619 If your part of health care plan isn’t in Government Health Care Exchange but you qualify for Federal aid, no payment.
PG 705-709 SEC. 1128 If Secretary gets complaints (ACORN) on health care provider or supplier, government can do background check.
PG 711 Lines 8-14 The Secretary has broad powers to deny health care providers/ suppliers admittance into Health Care Exchange. Your doctor could be thrown out of business.
Pg 719-720 Sec 1637 ANY Doctor who orders durable medical equipment or home medical services MUST be enrolled in Medicare.
PG 722 Sec 1639 Government MANDATES doctors must have face-to-face with patient to certify patient for Home Health Services.
PG 724 23-25 PG 725 1-5 The same government certifications will apply to Medicaid and CHIP (your kids).
PG 724 Lines 16-22 Government reserves right to apply face-to-face certification for patient to ANY other health care service.
Pg 735 lines 16-25 For law enforcement, proposes the Secretary-HHS will give Attorney General access to ALL data.
PG 740-757 Government sets guidelines for subsidizing the uninsured (That’s your tax dollars people).
Pg 757-762 Federal Government will shift burden of payments to Disproportionate Share Hospitals (DSH) to States. (Taxes)
Pg 763 1-8 No DS/EA hospitals will be paid unless they provide services without regard to national origin.
Pg 765 Sec 1711 Government will require Preventative Services including vaccines. (Choice?)
Pg 768 Sec 1713 Government – Nurse Home Visitation Services (Hello union paybacks).
Pg 769 11-14 Nurse Home Visit Services include economic self-sufficiency, employ adv, school-readiness.
Pg 769 3-5 Nurse Home Visit Services – “increasing birth intervals between pregnancies.” Government ABORTIONS anyone?
Pg 770 SEC 1714 Federal Government mandates eligibility for State Family Planning Services. Abortion and State Sovereignty.
Pg 789-797 Government will set, mandate drug prices, controlling which drugs brought to market. Bye innovation.
Pgs 797-800 SEC. 1744 PAYMENTS for graduate medical education. The government will now control doctors’ educations.
PG 801 Sec 1751 The government will decide which health care conditions will be paid. Can you say RATION!
Pg 810 SEC. 1759. Billing Agents, clearinghouses, etc. req. to register. Government takes over private payment system.
Pg 820-824 Sec 1801 Government will identify individuals ineligible for subsidies. Will access all personal financial information.
Pg 824-829 SEC. 1802. Government sets up Comparative Effectiveness Research Trust Fund. Another tax black hole.
PG 829-833 Government will impose a fee on ALL private health insurance plans including self-insured to pay for Trust Fund!
PG 835 11-13 fees imposed by government for Trust Fund shall be treated as if they were taxes.
Pg 838-840 Government will design and implement Home Visitation Program for families with young kids and families expecting kids.
PG 844-845 This Home Visitation Program includes government coming into your house and telling you how to parent!!!
Pg 859 Government will establish a Public Health Fund at a cost of $88,800,000,000. Yes that’s billion.
Pg 865 The government will MANDATE the establishment of a National Health Service Corps.
PG 865 to 876 The NHS Corps is a program where doctors perform mandatory health care for two years for part loan repayment.
PG 876-892 The government takes over the education of our medical students and doctors.
PG 898 The government will establish a Public Health Workforce Corps to ensure supply of public health prof.
PG 898 The Public Health Workforce Corps shall consist of civilian employees of the U.S. as Secretary deems.
PG 898 The Public Health Workforce Corps shall consist of officers of Regular and Reserve Corps of Service.
PG 900 The Public Health Workforce Corps includes veterinarians.
PG 901 The Public Health Workforce Corps WILL include commissioned Regular and Reserve Officers. HC Draft?
PG 910 The government will develop, build, and run Public Health Training Centers.
PG 913-914 Government starts a health care affirmative action program thru guise of diversity scholarships.
PG 915 SEC. 2251. Government MANDDATES Cultural and linguistic competency training for health care professionals.
Pg 932 The Government will establish Preventative and Wellness Trust fund- initial cost of $30,800,000,000 billion.
PG 935 21-22 Government will identify specific goals & objectives for prevention & wellness activities. That means controlling YOU!!
PG 936 Government will develop “Healthy People and National Public Health Performance Standards” Tell me what to eat?
PG 942 Lines 22-25 More government? Offices of Surgeon General -Public Health Svc, Minority Health, Women’s Health
PG 950- 980 BIG GOVERNMENT core pub health infrastructure including workforce capacity, lab systems, health info sys, etc.
PG 993 Government will establish school based health clinics. Your kids won’t have a chance.
PG 994 School Based Health Clinic will be integrated into the school environment. Say government brainwash!
PG 1001 The government will establish a National Medical Device Registry. Will you be tracked?
Mathew D. Staver*
Founder and Chairman Dean and Professor of Law
Liberty Counsel Liberty University School of Law
Offices in Florida, Virginia and the District of Columbia, Lynchburg, Virginia
*Licensed in Florida and the District of Columbia

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The man in the street is helpless when it comes to basic health care. Many have died in the street or while waiting for attentions. Look what happened with the Medicare prescription drug fiasco. Add to that the physician’s bloc and an over-powerful private clinic resistance to social mediciane and you have GREED again..combined with premature death.

I’ve been a viewer of ABC World News for some 40+ years now. But oh how it’s become so biased and agenda-driven of late. To say that Kate Snow gave an honest fact check is laughable. What a bill explicitly says and what will happen in practice are two different things. Instead of presenting just the facts and/or an honest & reasoned analysis of what may actually happen, Ms. Snow presents another ABC-driven opinion instead of a report with integrity. ABC News- get back to honest, unbiased reporting!!!

How does Kate know? If it doesn’t mean what it says why does it have 10 or so pages devoted to the subject?
Why has ABC signed on with the president to try to convince an irate public that this plan does not mean what it says?
It sound like a stretch to me! Who wrote the bill anyway, if it doesn’t mean what it rather clearly says then shouldn’t it be scrapped rather than the prez, the wild eyed Pelosi and now the media trying to ram down our throats?

Attn Charles Gibson – ABC World NEWS – On Monday’s Show about what Health Care Plan is not supposed to be – saying all the fears are groundless esp. on treating the elderly (as to end of life options) – what is missing from this media report is the fact that it could very well LEAD to problems of interpretation by healthcare industry. The Health Insurance Companies could use the fact that a Doctor recommended something different in order to with-hold coverage if patient’s family chooses to keep someone alive. It is the threat of what the formal Discussion by Doctor could lead to that is the problem & how Insurance will be only too happy to pull the funds from someone or give less than adequate care because elderly. Most of us cannot pay out of our pocket if that happens. Concerned Citizen for the Future 8/12/09

I see on blogs where many have educated thereselves with the health care at hand. I also heard on CNN where a young woman was opposed to this Health Care and was BARELY making payments herself under the health Care she now has. She was self employed and made a statement about the Government could not run anything that she knew of. Our Soldiers fight for her behind every day! I have Health Care (Tricare) due to my husbands years of service by him serving in the Military…and let me tell you it is the best! I also have Medicare which is also government run, it also is the best! I am also on Remicade for Rhuematory Arthritis and other medications. I pray this woman has to NEVER experience paying for a REMICADE TREATMENT! It is VERY COSTLY! Some Insurance companies do not cover it due to the cost. I love what I have and if she is so concerned maybe she needs to check out my story and others who have a Government run insurance before she becomes deathly sick!

o.m.g. The suspicion and fear. This is amazing. This “death panel” garbage is just the tip of the fear iceberg. Have we lost our collective minds? Do some people in this country actually want to see Obama fail so much that they are prepared to do ANYTHING and stoop to any depth to see that happen? People, get a grip – please. Start by reading the bill. It’s all over the Web. Get your OWN information. Don’t rely on the special interest groups of EITHER side or the media for information. Get it for yourself. It’s out there. It’s available. If you’re reading this you have the access you need to get it. Don’t let yourselves get swept up in the whirlwind of rhetoric and bs. Stay focused and do your own darned research.

mr mcdaniel if you listened or comprehended anything about this clip you would realize they were not putting palin on a pedastool. please think you comments through before allowing the intelectual world to read them.