By David Schoetz

Oct 7, 2009 11:29pm

Closing Arguments: Preparing to Bomb Iran?

The evidence mounts about Iran's clandestine nuclear-weapons ambitions — including a new uranium enrichment facility that President Obama revealed at the G-20. There is now evidence that the U.S. may be preparing a weapon that could be used on nuclear facilities in Iran. The Pentagon requested, and Congress quietly approved, more than $50 million for a 30,000-pound bomb, known as the Massive Ordnance Penetrator. The bunker-buster is capable of hitting reinforced targets 200 feet underground — exactly the type of weapon that could destroy one of these nuclear facilities. So tonight, we ask: Would an attack with this weapon be a wise strategy in the showdown with Iran? Tell us what you think. You can follow "Nightline" anytime on Twitter: http://twitter.com/Nightline.

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It sounds like a good plan to me, but isnt it a little too risky broadcasting it all over the world? Reporting such an issue as this would jepordize the sanctity of the U.S. security level by letting Iran know about our tactics and getting them ready on the defense, if not them making a retaliation first.

Posted by: Justin | October 8, 2009, 12:05 am 12:05 am

No, we should wait for IRAN to finish the bomb. DUH?

Posted by: PDIPDI | October 8, 2009, 12:08 am 12:08 am

It makes sense. Iran breeds terrorism if they enrich uranium who knows who they will sell their bombs too. They must be stopped.

Posted by: John L | October 8, 2009, 12:10 am 12:10 am

I think its a totally hypocritical strategy. Doesn’t Israel have nuclear weapons? Aren’t they killing innocent Palestinians every other month? AREN’T WE SUPPORTING THEM? Iran really has nothing to do with us and they aren’t a real threat either. I mean, they obviously have their own problems. Do we really need more propaganda shoved down our throats and aren’t we still in major debt and economic turmoil as a result of the last propaganda “strategy”? By the way, did we ever find Osama? That’s what I thought. I really hope President Obama isn’t just another Bush disguised in a cloak of “change”. Words are empty until you actually do something.

Posted by: a scientist | October 8, 2009, 12:11 am 12:11 am

Yes!!! America should use all of it’s weapons of war against Iran. We look like fools waiting around until they develop a nuclear weapon to use against us or our friends around the globe.
The country that shoots first wins!!!!

Posted by: Jake | October 8, 2009, 12:12 am 12:12 am

It’s a great idea but why talk about it before it happens.

Posted by: jeff schneider | October 8, 2009, 12:13 am 12:13 am

Why do we have a right to do anything to Iran? They have NOT said or done anything to show that they will attack anyone if they do produce nuclear weapons. Iran/Persia has not attacked anyone in 2,000 years. So stop lying to the American public. We overthrew their democratically elected President in 1953 and installed a dictator to rule the country with an iron hand. They want to live in peace like peoples all over the world. Stop pushing for a war on innocent people! Shameful behavior on the medias part to push for an attack on an innocent people- what was the Iraq war for again? Oh Al Queda connection…oh wait he is a really mean man to his people…oh wait weapons of mass destruction…sorry no it was democracy– freedom for Iraqis. Keep trying to fool us! Shame on you!

Posted by: S in michigan | October 8, 2009, 12:13 am 12:13 am

ABSOLUTELY NOT!! That is the most insane idea I have heard lately,…well at least since the decision was taken to invade Iraq! The United States IS not the world protector. We would be best served spending some of that money on repairing our own infrastructure and educating some of our children who are so sorely lacking in Science and Technology, Math, English, and just plain thinking skills…when compared to the rest of the children of the world! …or maybe Health Care! What a novel idea! Iran is a ‘World’ problem. All members of the world community, not just the US should address this problem, preferably in a less provocative way! Actions such as this would simply ask for retaliation with one of the 10MT portable nuclear devices detonated in one of our major cities. Long answer to a short question.

Posted by: Mack | October 8, 2009, 12:13 am 12:13 am

If they don’t stop it, we need to. We can’t let those crazy leaders of theirs get even close to creating those weapons. I hate it for the Iranian people as I think they are in politcal bondage. It is anazing how evil leaders control the masses all over this world.

Posted by: Jack | October 8, 2009, 12:14 am 12:14 am

There are many (perhaps a majority) in Iran who look at the position Iran held in world under the Shah with favor. They find the Islamic Fanatics repressive and would look for an excuse to oust them. The recognition of the evil that these fanatics represent should be communicated so that we wipe out their nuclear capability, it is the eveil element and not Iran that we are attacking.

Posted by: Gary | October 8, 2009, 12:14 am 12:14 am

Iran is the cause of chaos and instability in several countries: Iraq, Yemen, Lebanon, Afghanistan, and Bahrain. It is occupying 3 islands that belong to United Arab Emirates. When it finishes developing its nuclear bomb it will expand its instability efforts and will start invading countries!

Posted by: gk | October 8, 2009, 12:15 am 12:15 am

Jake, in regards to your comment about shooting first, do you think either we or Iraq actually won? If you believe in our constitution and bill of rights then don’t you think all humans have equal rights? Is it ok if we become the terrorists?

Posted by: a scientist | October 8, 2009, 12:15 am 12:15 am

It’s too bad the contract for the MOP is so small. We need to spread the love around amongst a few other bad actors around the world. All problems can be solved by application of a sufficient amount of high explosive.

Posted by: LL | October 8, 2009, 12:15 am 12:15 am

I think it would be unwise for us to bomb Iran right now. We are spread way to thin to be starting another war. The only way would be if we had the backing of all of our Allies and they would be headlining the bombing.

Posted by: flagracer | October 8, 2009, 12:15 am 12:15 am

The problem is NOT Iran, but Israel, as long they occupied land, it will NOT solve this problem, Maybe if USA will use this “bomb” to make Israel make peace with the Palestinians for they have as much as right for that land.

Posted by: J Torquemada | October 8, 2009, 12:16 am 12:16 am

They are homicidal barbarian psychopaths. Bomb them back to the stone age. My bad, they never emerged from the stone age, so just exterminate them. Ross Perot had it right–see a snake, kill the snake.

Posted by: Rob Corelli | October 8, 2009, 12:17 am 12:17 am

I think anyone who broadcasts information like this should be prosecuted. I don’t know why it wasn’t top secret! Absolutely we should have weapons available that will wipe out any facility that Iran could conceivably use to create weapons-grade atomic materials. Why wait until Al-Qaeda figures out a way to get an Iran-powered suitcase bomb into NYC or LA and kills 100,000 people, or Iran sends a dozen nuclear-tipped missiles into Israel and who knows what other targets within their range, before we take the threat seriously?

Posted by: Robert | October 8, 2009, 12:17 am 12:17 am

Woah gk, please refer to some history textbooks. Iran has always had control over the islands you claim it is occupying. Its called the Persian Gulf for a reason.

Posted by: a scientist | October 8, 2009, 12:18 am 12:18 am

“Would an attack with this weapon be a wise strategy in the showdown with Iran?”
A far wiser strategy–one that would actually end the problem–would be to a) declare war on Iran, the epicenter of jihad Islamic ideology for the past 30 odd years (as we should have done on 912; indeed, as we should have done in 1979); b) nuke their cities, industrial centers (such as they are) and military installations to dust; and c) take back our oil wells.
Then issue an ultimatum to the remainder of the Mideast nations: If the USA is attacked by Islamic proxy soldiers, you will suffer the same fate, one-by-one.
Starting with Saudi Arabia–the Islamic jihad banker.
Then the rest of whoever is left.
Once the declared war is concluded (with the nuclear annihilation of the Mideast target nation), all laws–such as the Patriot Act–shall be repealed.
End of problem.

Posted by: Steven | October 8, 2009, 12:19 am 12:19 am

No. We should never attack Iran like that. How dare we be so bold as to be the only nation to drop 3 nuclear bombs, 2 in japan and 1 in Iran, on foreign countries and then get upset when any other country has similar capabilities? Are we the big bully of the world? When can we be trusted by the international communities?
Does Iran dislike us because of our almost constant support for Israel? Hey, Israel is not a true democracy. The Palestinians who have been living on the West Bank and Gaza Strip are not allowed to vote for their government. That is not a democracy.

Posted by: Karen | October 8, 2009, 12:20 am 12:20 am

I think its a bad idea to go after Iran militarily, I think they are taunting the West for a military strike so they can attack Israel. I think instead of a military attack, they should be cut off economically (and Russia should cut them off of the uranium supply).

Posted by: GV | October 8, 2009, 12:21 am 12:21 am

PS. One may be surprised, too, how fast such issues as fascist China v. Formosa, warmongering North Korea v. S. Korea, fascist Russia v. Georgia, etc., would then find a resolution.
One way or the other.

Posted by: Steven | October 8, 2009, 12:23 am 12:23 am

I do not think that the US should unilaterally undertake military action against Iran. If their actions are a problem they are the world’s problem; we already have incurred the ire of too many peoples as a result of our imposing our opinion by sending our troops into their countries.

Posted by: Patric | October 8, 2009, 12:27 am 12:27 am

We kill a lot more civilians than Iran so maybe we should bomb ourselves. What a bunch of hypocrites we are.

Posted by: Ben | October 8, 2009, 12:28 am 12:28 am

Clearly Scott Michaels, clearly. I guess we just don’t love invading other countries and killing people as much as you. (cough cough ISRAEL COUGH COUGH)
Reading books and actual political awareness must be giving us these thinking disorders. I’m sure our college educations and appreciation for the human condition are also contributing factors.

Posted by: a scientist | October 8, 2009, 12:29 am 12:29 am

Would an attack with this weapon be a wise strategy in the showdown with Iran?
A far wider strategy would be to a) declare war on the epicenter of jihad Islamic ideology (as we should have done on 912); b) nuke their cities, industrial centers (such as they are) and military installations to dust; and c) take back our oil wells.
Then issue an ultimatum to the remainder of the Mideast nations: If the USA is attacked by Islamic proxy soldiers, you will be next.
Starting with Saudi Arabia, the Islamic jihad banker.
Once the declared war is concluded (with the nuclear annihilation of the Mideast target nation), all laws–such as the Patriot Act–shall be repealed.
End of problem.
PS. Israel does not threaten us. As for the Palestinians, talk to Trans-Jordan, who annexed 75% of the land set aside by the U.N. in 1948 for a Palestinian homeland. (The other 25% was divided amongst other Arab states.)
Iran is a dictatorship. There is no *moral* justification for its continued existence.
PPS. One might be surprised, too, by how fast other such issues will be resolved afterward–such as fascist China v. Formosa; warmongering North Korea v. S. Korea; fascist Russia v. Georgia; etc.
One way or the other.
PPS. I always enjoy posts identifed just as: “social worker” or “scientist” or “professor of political science.” As if a title were a substitute for a cogent argument.

Posted by: Steven Brockerman | October 8, 2009, 12:30 am 12:30 am

PPS. Israel does not threaten us. As for the Palestinians, talk to Trans-Jordan, who annexed 75% of the land set aside by the U.N. in 1948 for a Palestinian homeland. (The other 25% was divided amongst other Arab states.)
Iran is a dictatorship. There is no *moral* justification for its continued existence.
PPPS. I always enjoy posts identifed just as: “social worker” or “scientist” or “professor of political science.” As if a title were a substitute for a cogent argument.

Posted by: Steven Brockerman | October 8, 2009, 12:32 am 12:32 am

You are obviously baiting bored and otherwise without a life persons to respond. I would believe I am the former. It is already known that our government knew of the facility some months ago.
To the point, you at Nightline are at a loss as to why mention is made of a known weapon currently in our armed forces inventory?
You can believe there are many options not shared
See Webster’s for ‘bluff’, ‘pablum’ and ‘serious’.

Posted by: Miss Millye | October 8, 2009, 12:32 am 12:32 am

Titles aren’t meant for arguments, the actual posting is. Every person from every walk of life is entitled to their opinion. I’m sorry you cannot appreciate that Steven.

Posted by: a scientist that is civil | October 8, 2009, 12:33 am 12:33 am

I agree with Rob Corelli,
If we do not come to Israel’s aid,, we will suffer for it. One reason that US
has been spared a lot more tragedy like 9-11 is that we have been a friend to Israel, God’s chosen people. If we don’t do something,I think Israel will and they have every right. They have the most to lose. But I don’t believe our President will do anything until it is too late.

Posted by: L from Atlanta | October 8, 2009, 12:44 am 12:44 am

Yes! Iran’s extremist leadership cannot be trusted. Period. Force is all they understand. Do it tomorrow.

Posted by: Jack | October 8, 2009, 12:45 am 12:45 am

We should strike Iran BEFORE they have the bomb or we won’t be able to when they do get it. Oh, to have Benjamin Netanahu (sp?)as our Commander-in-Chief instead of the doofus we’re stuck with now! ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES!!!

Posted by: Mary Anne A | October 8, 2009, 12:52 am 12:52 am

The Jewish people have had their problems and been persecuted and blamed for everything that has gone wrong through the ages. They were finally given back some of the Land that God promised Abraham. Israel has been very patient and many of their people people are in dire need and going hungry because of the constant bombardment they have received.
The moslims will never leave Israel alone until they have completely destroyed them.

Posted by: L from Atlanta | October 8, 2009, 12:54 am 12:54 am

Reality check: Israel has a right to self defense. Hamas’ incessant firing of rockets is hardly a peace overture.
Then there’s the inconvenient truth that they STILL refuse to accept Israel’s right to exist. The propaganda machine is now in full swing with the blessing of the WH and its progressives Congress… and funded by the American taxpayer.

Posted by: LadyFyre | October 8, 2009, 12:55 am 12:55 am

Does the term “MUTUALLY ASSURED DESTRUCTION” ring a bell with anyone???

Posted by: pro from dover | October 8, 2009, 1:01 am 1:01 am

bomb bomb iran bomb bomb iran

Posted by: Joe | October 8, 2009, 1:03 am 1:03 am

I think that we have enough wars to fight as is. Lets kick their butts in Afghanistan first. Then if we want to mess with Iran, I say go for it. It would be alot easier to fight Iran from friendly bases in Afghanistan, and Iraq. That is what the Iranians are afraid of, and this is why they are supporting the Taliban however possible.

Posted by: John W. | October 8, 2009, 1:11 am 1:11 am

The right to exist is exactly the point. Israelies have every much a right to exist as their fellow neighbors, as do they have a right to defend themselves. So, why can’t the same be said for Iran? Don’t you think they are trying to defend themselves from Israel who DOES have nuclear weapons and DOES have a history of attacking/invading neighboring regions that DO NOT belong to them? Can we please recall the events of this past January? Do you remember what Israel did? …. and yes Palestinians defended themselves with what little Israel had left them but Israel started this whole mess. Again, why do we get to be terrorists? You know that Ahmadinejad guy doesn’t have any real power anyway. For those of you that are not as familiar with the history of the Middle East the last “war” Iran was in was when Iraq attacked them after the fall of the Shah (we supplied the chemical weapons by the way). You know they are still recovering from that? Those people are too broken to fight another way …. have some humanity and compassion.

Posted by: a scientist | October 8, 2009, 1:27 am 1:27 am

Self defence is always a good thing. When you are threatened, you cannot sit idly by and watch. You just have to stand up and defend yourself.

Posted by: Henry | October 8, 2009, 1:28 am 1:28 am

…which is what Iran is doing, Henry.

Posted by: a scientist | October 8, 2009, 1:31 am 1:31 am

NO!

Posted by: JRM | October 8, 2009, 1:37 am 1:37 am

I am not sure that Iran isn’t just baiting the US. They are, I believe, trying to galvanize the Muslim world against the US. I am not sure that it wouldn’t be playing into their hands. On the other hand I can’t say that we should just ignore the prospect of them creating a a nuclear weapon. Do what we have to do.

Posted by: Thinking | October 8, 2009, 1:43 am 1:43 am

If Iran doesn’t agree to allow crucial inspections of any suspected nuclear bomb materials making facilities then if the United States has a weapon that can destroy these facilities we must use it.
Mark | October 9, 2009 12:47AM

Posted by: Mark Goodrich | October 8, 2009, 1:48 am 1:48 am

GREAT, WHEN DO WE START TO USE IT.I HOPE IT’S JUST NOT ALL TALK AND NO ACTION AGAIN. ESPECIALLY NOW THAT THE WORLD KNOW THIS!!!

Posted by: The One | October 8, 2009, 3:12 am 3:12 am

You know what our problem is? We always let all of our secrets get out to the world. Instead of doing a sneak attack. But I gather it’s hard keeping anything secret these days.
And Yes, Iran needed to be stopped years ago. They are out of control and all their actions show absolutely no signs of doing anything peacefully. We should have seen this years ago and now we need to do something besides these stupid waste of time sanctions. We need to take out the nuclear facilities and show them we are not standing down, we mean business, period!!!!

Posted by: Law & Order | October 8, 2009, 3:23 am 3:23 am

If we do build a bomb that big we would have to give it to Israel to drop because I don’t think our government, right now, has the guts enough to use it, even if there was a threat to our nation. Bad publicity and what would people think? Our military people are the greatest. But again, I remember the Vietnam war ran by civilians and congress. HaHa, what a joke!! Of course we lost.

Posted by: William Faulkner | October 8, 2009, 3:31 am 3:31 am

@a scientist: You make a good point but more importantly you make a very decent point. I believe it is important for people to understand that “Bombing” any country (or peoples) in the hopes to rein them into compliance, is likely to cause more problems in the long-term than it will solve.
Furthermore simply threatening to do so may in itself become a type of trigger to cyclic self-fulling prophecy whereby the target out of fear of being annihilated actualizes an objective they originally never intending on possessing.

Posted by: A Realist | October 8, 2009, 3:34 am 3:34 am

I hope it doesn’t take 8 years and how many of our young men to figure out what to do. They can not be trusted, so don’t let them get buy with anything!!

Posted by: Bea | October 8, 2009, 7:49 am 7:49 am

Oh, HELL yes!

Posted by: Charles R Coombs | October 8, 2009, 9:02 am 9:02 am

Karen
Pay attention. The radical wings of Islam want you, your children, your family, and everyone you know killed and their memories wiped from the Earth.
The US has deployed two nuclear weapons, not three. The MOP is a conventional weapon filled with TNT, designed to punch a hole through feet of reinforced concrete.
If Iran is not stopped, the use of a nuclear weapon against the West is a certainty, and I guarantee you the Muslim world will not stand around wringing their hands about the resulting deaths.
Unfortunately, the world turns to the US to solve it’s problems, whether those be political or economic; they know well the UN is a useless showplace and will never expect positive action from that den of oxygen thieves.
The US will once again step up to the plate. The trouble with our modern PC foriegn policy is the lack of will to take military actions to the logical conclusion to end the problem – overwhelming dominance is required, that is all the world will ever understand.

Posted by: NotKaren | October 8, 2009, 9:33 am 9:33 am

Yes. Use the bomb now and again, as needed. Let’s stop pussyfooting around and show these Iranian creeps that we mean business. Bomb them now!

Posted by: Proud Native American and Angry Independent Voter | October 8, 2009, 10:19 am 10:19 am

The truth is:
1) No one should have the Neuclear Bomb.
2) U.S. used the bomb regardless if they had the right or not. That is wrong.
3) No organization should dictate who can and who con not possess this type of weapon.
4) Every Country should dismantle the neuclear power.
It is then and only then, no one should be allowed to have it.
Any other alternative is wrong.
WHich means, superpowers will have the final saying. THAT IS WRONG.
Therefore, it is as it was for millions of years. Forget Democracy, forget fair game, forget right or wrong, and Do as I say not as I do, the type of policy that all free born human will reject.
The end of all this: We have not come a long way, but we still behind a million years.

Posted by: Thetruth | October 8, 2009, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm

Iran is run by Islamic extremists who are actually trying to convince the world that the Holocost never occurred, that the US is the root of all evil, and they not only support terrorism, but have terrorist traing facilities. These people do NOT need nuclear capability! If it takes a massive, bunker busting bomb to scare them them into rethinking their insanity, then so be it!

Posted by: Michael | October 8, 2009, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm

I have to agree with Mack. Why is it always the U.S. rushing in like the cavalry to rescue the entire world when we don’t even take care of our own very effectively? Our energies, rhetoric and monies would be much better invested in Peace. We should not pick another fight abroad, especially when we don’t stand a snowball’s chance of survival, much less winning.

Posted by: Polly | October 9, 2009, 12:19 am 12:19 am

Having this idea of starting another nuclear blast is like having no remorse or shame about Hiroshima, just b/c Iran refused to listen to us or obey the rules by the allies of Isarael. As much as the Chinese hated Japan for its war crime committed in China, even the Chinese never got sooooooo nuclear like us. It may be true then that perhaps the End is near when there’d be a big ball of fire involving a melt-down of all of the nuclear arsenals the world had managed to produce and maintain. At this juncture, knowing the amount of sufferings in all of the countries in the world caused by nothing but greed, and inmorality, let it be that we all die quickly.
I can’t believe the so-called leaders of my country could be so suicidal, and thoughtless.
God bless the World!

Posted by: Monkey Wrench | October 9, 2009, 3:46 am 3:46 am

First of all – I am amazed at some of these responses from my fellow Americans: “shoot first!” “exterminate them!” like a bunch of insects. these are people – like you & me – my family. I don’t agree either with many of the Iranian government’s policies, but what a horrible thing to say! No wonder other countries make fun of us Americans – it’s just bad representation. On the other hand, John L, S in Michigan, gk, and Steven all made some very good, educated points.
No, I do not think an attack on Iran is a wise strategy. Isn’t the United States the only country to have ever dropped a nuclear bomb? And, if the US is the world superpower and the one bullying other countries around, no wonder everyone is trying to make their own weapons! We started it; therefore, I feel it is our responsibility to be a role model to the world to change things for the better before the whole world is obliterated to pieces with all this hatred. Diplomacy is the best way forward. Remember: violence only begets violence.

Posted by: somewhere in the middle | October 9, 2009, 7:34 am 7:34 am

The US will not drop any bomb now that its president is a nobel price for peace. But Israel will. Any retaliation of Iran will be seen as aggression and the US will step in to defend them :) :)

Posted by: G cardas | October 10, 2009, 5:09 am 5:09 am

The situation with Iran could not be a more classic, “Damned if you do, and Damned if you don’t”. If we attack Iran, the radical Muslims will pour into Iraq and Afghanistan like a Biblical plague. Terrorist cells will pop up like wheat fields in Kansas. If we don’t attack, the Israeli’s will, and the Muslim world will hate us for being a critical ally of Israel with pretty much the same outcome. No matter what we do, the end will be the same for the U.S. This is a very dangerous world situation.

Posted by: David DePauw | October 10, 2009, 8:26 am 8:26 am

We will not do anything, we are a paper tiger that easily tires of war and when we do go to war, we intentionally prolong the war effort far longer than we should and then go rebuilt the country we just bombed, spending billions, while at home, America sinks further and further.

Posted by: John | October 20, 2009, 12:20 am 12:20 am

Iran should have never been allowed to get this far with enrichment. Take out both sites! And do it now! If they get the bomb, it’s just a matter of time for a nuclear shoot out with Isreal and Iran.

Posted by: Rich | October 29, 2009, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm

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