By Sadie Bass

Oct 28, 2009 1:10pm

Say It Ain’t So Joe (Lieberman)

ABC's Stu Schutzman reports from New York: “Joe Lieberman is the least of Harry Reid’s problems,” says Senate majority leader Harry Reid. Think again Harry, Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Ct.) could be your worst nightmare and has been a thorn in Democrats’ side for some time.  This latest “double-cross,” as some see it, represents yet another threat in the here we come there we go again battle for health care reform.  When majority leader Reid put the controversial “public option” back on the table this week, he did so confident that Lieberman, short of outright supporting it, would at least allow it to pass. Then yesterday, Lieberman dropped a bombshell when announced he would not vote for cloture (apparently reneging on his agreement) which subjects the bill to blockage by Republican filibuster. “I can’t see a way in which I can vote for cloture,” said Lieberman, “on any bill that contained a creation of a government operated-run insurance company.” “It now appears that Lieberman either changed his mind or was misunderstood,” writes Slate’s Timothy Noah, “In recent years Lieberman has not shown himself to be an especially trustworthy character.” Lieberman has been dubbed the “Senator from Aetna” and has often been accused of dividing his loyalties between the insurance empire based in his home state of Connecticut and the party he is nominally affiliated with.  The “Public Option” is designed to be bad for Health insurance industry’s bottom line. Lieberman, who was Al Gore’s running mate in 2000, won reelection to the Senate in 2006 as an independent after he lost the Democratic primary. Many of the party faithful were furious with his unwavering support for the Iraq War.  “They hate Joe Lieberman with a pore cleaning passion,” says John Dickerson in Slate. But Senate Democrats were desperate to keep him in the fold thus keeping hold on their razor thin majority.  They allowed him to keep his coveted and  powerful chairmanship of the Homeland Security Committee.  But he has rarely missed an opportunity to stick it to the Democrats, supporting various Republican positions and candidates.  “Lieberman has successfully reinvented himself as every Republican’s favorite Democrat,” writes Lincoln Mitchell in the Huffington Post, “[He]has made himself far more important than he should be.” But Joe Lieberman hasn’t had much face time until  this week as the featured player in the current episode of health care reform. 

User Comments

He is a narcissistic liar. I’ll leave it at that.

Posted by: Thinking | October 28, 2009, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm

So why do Republicans insist Democrats have a super majority, when in reality they only have 58 Democratic senators, 1 independent that is right of the Dems, and Lieberman – who campaigned for John McCain and is now trying to kill health care reform for his CT insurance company lobbyists?
REALITY is that Democrats do NOT have a super majority in the Senate. They should use reconciliation just like Reagan, Bush and everyone else has to put through important legislation – the threat of Republicans whining even louder if they do is no reason not to. It could actually help Democrats, as people remember “Huh, when Democrats were in the minority they whined too, but they also compromised and actually helped govern too.”

Posted by: jhw539 | October 28, 2009, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm

It actually only once more hurts Lieberman. The Senate functions on agreement and compromise. Some may be thinking Lieberman made Republican friends but Senators live and die by whether they stick to agreements with one another. This isn’t simply about being against a Democratic proposal. It’s about back stabbing and this won’t win him any friends on either side of the isle.

Posted by: morethanpolite | October 28, 2009, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm

Classic Lieberman. If he can’t keep his word why does anyone trust him? Oh that’s right… no one does. republicans actually respect and trust Reid more than Lieberman. I have no idea why the Democrats let this wingnut keep his chairmanship when he seems to flip a coin every day to decide whether to keep the agreements he made the day before. Come on Connecticut this guy is past his expiration date.

Posted by: WhatDaBlah | October 28, 2009, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm

Kind of disgusting that these rich fat cats make decisions affecting those of us who are not..I wish our politicians would care more about the people of this country than they do their own parties.

Posted by: leogorky | October 28, 2009, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm

jhw. What the h____ are you talking about? Bush didn’t know how to spell or pronounce “reconciliation,” let along ever do any of it. He had a Republican majority in Congress from 2000-06 and always that deciding vote with Cheney, the Haliburton lackey. How else do you think they got through the immoral fat cat tax cut? Lieberman is a complete jerk. He just likes to be smoozed because he can’t really do anything respect worthy on his own. Bush never needed reconciliation because the total group of neocons have as much individuality as cyborgs, and the Republicans used to praise themselves as the party of the individual. Yeah, if the individual is a billionaire who outsources jobs.

Posted by: Igor | October 28, 2009, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm

“He is a narcissistic liar. I’ll leave it at that.”
————–
Well said. It’s a shame that he was the first Jewish-American to be on a national ticket. He’s a deep embarrassment to those who loved him and supported his rise. Not unlike Benedict Arnold.

Posted by: hopesprings52 | October 28, 2009, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm

The senate made deals with drug companies to block meds coming in from other countries.
If Lieberman is called the Senator from Aetna, what do they call themselves?

Posted by: pdd | October 28, 2009, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm

“If Lieberman is called the Senator from Aetna, what do they call themselves?” – pdd
Huuuuummmmmm . . . . . .
Maybe DumbBunnies from The Hill?

Posted by: Noz | October 28, 2009, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm

Lieberman is a great American! God bless you , Joe!

Posted by: diva4ever | October 28, 2009, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm

If the cons plus Joe can use a procedural manuever to keep legislation from coming to a vote, there’s nothing wrong with using a manuever to counter their manuever. Move the “nuclear option” to DefCon 1 and arm the button. Joey can grandstand at ground zero.

Posted by: Yukon Sam | October 28, 2009, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm

Joe Lieberman is just standing up for most Americans. Poll after poll shows that the majority of Americans don’t want government health care. No politician who is for government-run health care can explain how it is to be paid for. I actually live in CT and I am not employed by the insurance industry. He’ll get my vote!

Posted by: diva4ever | October 28, 2009, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm

I hate to say this because I would have hoped Joe was above this, but I am beginning to wonder whose “big pocket” he is in. This is nothing more than “big money” trying to derail health care reform. I guess I was naive in thinking that Joe was more for the common man.

Posted by: CND FOX | October 28, 2009, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm

What’s wrong with you people? Why do you assume Joe is in some big pocket? Let’s face it–ObamaCare has been cutting deals with big pharma and AARP and other special interests–why aren’t you outraged about that? Anyway, unless you live in CT, you don’t have any influence over Joe.

Posted by: diva4ever | October 28, 2009, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm

He is a defacto Israeli Mosad Agent. His loyalty is to Israel first then to our U.S.A.
We need to get rid of these dirty, unethical politicians from Washington.
Stick with Joe, let Insurance take the Doe!

Posted by: Azim Fahmi | October 28, 2009, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm

Some of you just don’t get. My friend has to pay $1100 a month for her and her husband’s health insurance with a $5,000 deductible. I guess you must get your health care from Medicare.

Posted by: ladem | October 28, 2009, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm

Lost in the debate is the fact that the stated intention was to lower health care cost and provide help to those who could not afford it and exclude illegals from getting benefits. Yet none of this is happening. One dribble here and another there reveals that it will increase taxes on test, medical devices and actually raise premiums on those with the so called cadilac plans. Any attempts to buy insurance state to state, exclude illegals or lawsuit reform is batted down by the leaders of the house and backroom deals are happening at this moment.
Yes we need reform, it needs to be cheaper and those who need help should get it. The medical spending versus gdp complaint is tripe. While Americans saw the incomes drop 1% in the last decade consumer spending for “stuuf” grew 17% yet we beeech at spending some on our own health.
Whatever happened to people looking after their own welfare?

Posted by: david | October 28, 2009, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm

You’re absolutely right, David. We need to shoulder some of the financial burden for paying for our own health care. Don’t know how or why some people expect this to be “free”.

Posted by: diva4ever | October 28, 2009, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm

Joe LIARman supported universal healthcare on campain trail!

Posted by: Alex | October 28, 2009, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm

I am Jewish! All Joe is doing is hurting us Jewish people with his GREED and STUPIDITY. I thought Joe was for the People and not for the Insurance Companies, that screw the the little Person everyday. Hopefully someone in the Jewish Community will talk to him about his GREED and STUPIDITY. Because I was under the impression that Joe was for what is right, then doing something like the “NO REPUBLICANS” DO. If he does pull this “STUPID STUN” all the Jews will be HURT and AUSTERESIZE by his GREED and STUPIDITY much more then we are now.

Posted by: gjhardtimes | October 28, 2009, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm

Would somebody PLEASE throw the Trash, I mean Lieberman, out!!

Posted by: john copeland | October 28, 2009, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm

ladem – when was the last time your friend with the $1100 monthly insurance bill asked the doc why the heck perscribe a $65 /pill med when a $.75 /pill generic will do the same job? When was the last time your friend said to their kid, wife or self, ‘hey, so you’ve got a sneezy, stuffy head and a sore throat. You’ll live.’ instead of going to the Doc’s office or worse yet, the emergency room? Come on, there are over 3,000 national/regional health insurers in the US. It’s very competitive. Do you really think they’re all in collusion? Do you really think the Doc’s will do a better job of perscribing meds if it’s a government program? Do you really think the Pharmaceuticals will quit paying kickbacks to the docs – or that the docs will forgo the kickbacks as a deserved revenue stream? Will any of you decide that sometimes you get sick and all you can do drink fluids and go to bed and you will get better? Do you really think that you, your friends, the docs, and the drug companies will behave much better and the costs will spiral down if Uncle Sugar’s in charge?

Posted by: rustykaltrop | October 28, 2009, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm

Funny alot of people here, democrats I guess, use words like traitor, turncoat, benedict Arnold, I would love to hear what they think of Arlen Specter.

Posted by: LEE | October 28, 2009, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm

Further more health care will sort itself out as the US population declines due to Obama’s seemingly deliberate tactics to have as many soldiers killed as possible in Afghanistan.

Posted by: LEE | October 28, 2009, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm

Why is this a JEWISH issue?

Posted by: diva4ever | October 28, 2009, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm

And why is this a Jewish issue,gjhardtimes?

Posted by: diva4ever | October 28, 2009, 8:08 pm 8:08 pm

Joe must have seen an advance copy of this illegal bill and is just protecting you intrests as usual wait and see, make em let us read it befor it become law and then have that big fight to repeal it.

Posted by: earl | October 28, 2009, 8:20 pm 8:20 pm

Joe is doing the right thing. At least 90 percent of Congress follows what the leaders believe in; Lieberman’s support for McCain (not illegal by the way, so Dems got enough out of removing his chairmanship of the subcommittee) shows he votes with his heart, the people of his state, and not anyone else. Why do you think nobody in Connecticut is worried about Lieberman while Dodd will have the campaign fight for his life in 2010?

Posted by: James | October 28, 2009, 9:34 pm 9:34 pm

We don’t expect health care to be “free,” but neither do we expect it to be at least twice as much as in other countries when our life expectancy is exactly 50th and getting lower every year. Yeah, all you unemployed people get with it and pay those outrageous premiums of those health insurance companies who for some unholy reasons are exempt from anti-monopoly laws. Yeah, you workers who’ve had your jobs outsourced for the sake of slave labor, quit griping and pay that company whose top exec. earns +23 million a year (more in a week than two average workers make in a year.) What the h____ is wrong with you complaining that you pay 16-18% of your total income for health care and 70% more for your medicines than people in other advanced countries who understand what helping their neighbor means and have not caught the American disease of some of you, if I’m doing fine than who cares about those who aren’t? They’re just losers anyway. Read the New Testament, PLEASE.

Posted by: Igor | October 28, 2009, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm

The reason we can’t get a blessed thing done for the average working stiff in this country is the bribery going on in D.C. called lobbying. Want to get rid of those stinking environmental safeguards, put some big campaign money into the hands of enough politicians (Republican and Democrat) and make it happen. Want a gargantuan tax cut for the fat cats who need it like they need another private jet? Just get your lobbyists to make campaign fund promises to enough people in Congress. Wake up, America. It’s past time to take back our government. The Republicans have taken the words of a great, great Republican named Abraham Lincoln and changed them to government by the rich, for the rich, and of the rich. Look at the legislation of Republican Congresses and tell me otherwise. You can’t do it.

Posted by: Igor | October 28, 2009, 10:31 pm 10:31 pm

Joe seems to be the only dem that has a clue. Any gov. health care will destroy this country as we know it. In 9 months Obama has already destroyed the economy and now they want to tear down the finest health care in world.It can be tweaked alittle but do not turn us into europe.

Posted by: dlamrine | October 28, 2009, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm

Lieberman deserves a Nobel Prize for common sense and courage. He is opposing another stupid Obama spending program that is destroying our economy. there are many members of Congress that agree with Joe but do not have his courage.

Posted by: HarrisonGT | October 28, 2009, 10:46 pm 10:46 pm

Thank God for Joe – He’s doing the right thing in stopping this health care nightmare.

Posted by: Jon | October 28, 2009, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm

Good for Joe!!. He got had by the Demos and switched parties. Now he can use that leverage to stick it to them. It’s good, good, news. This healthcare mess that the crooked democrats are pushing on all Americans is socialism. The takeover will lead us down the path that will be a disaster even for those who think it is going to be their savior. Good for Joe. God bless him!!

Posted by: jep | October 28, 2009, 11:41 pm 11:41 pm

“He is a narcissistic liar. I’ll leave it at that.”
————–
Well said. It’s a shame that he was the first Jewish-American to be on a national ticket. He’s a deep embarrassment to those who loved him and supported his rise. Not unlike Benedict Arnold.
Posted by: hopesprings52******************
That’s Benedict Arnoldstein or maybe Judas

Posted by: spacerook1 | October 28, 2009, 11:53 pm 11:53 pm

It’s really simple folks. Joe is just a guy who cannot take a stand and stick to it. He plays both sides of the table. He couldn’t get nominated and his little feelings are hurt. First he endorses Obama and introduces him as “the gift” (doesn’t anyone remember this?) Then he makes another speech where he continues to spout off about how we are supposed to come together in a crisis (RNC speech referring to Katrina) because it’s not about a party affiliation… It’s about americans coming together to help each other in a crisis. Well Joe, we have a health care crisis for christ’s sake! Joe needs to come down out of his ivory tower and take a stand one way or another. Either he’s a going to be a democrazy or a rethuglican. He either likes the black president or he doesn’t. Yes. I said it. I still maintain that the biggest problem the rethugs have with this president and ANYTHING he will ever try to accomplish, is the fact that it is being prrposed by a black man. If Mr. Bush was trying to pass this bill with a public option included, it would have been over and done with by now. Joe, if you can’t take a stand, then you stand for nothing and frankly, we had enough of nothing. There is nothing left for you to be except the coward that you are.

Posted by: Moonlitwomyn | October 29, 2009, 12:05 am 12:05 am

The Senator from Aetna? Kerry has accepted more money from Big Pharma than anyone. Congressman Mike Ross has accepted $934,000 from insurance and related sources – 1/6 of all his campaign funds over 5 campaigns. I could go on and name almost every Congressman from both parties.
Not that I have any sympathy for a turncoat. Just sayin’.

Posted by: The_Mick | October 29, 2009, 12:55 am 12:55 am

Good job Joe! Reid’s already down in the polls in Nevada as the incumbent, and this “kick in the teeth” will make it even harder for him to win re-election. Reid’s playing it off like it’s no skin off his back. But it was Reid who let Lieberman keep his chairmanship against the wishes of the majority of democrats in the senate. Once again Joe, way to pull the rug out from under the liberals! Lieberman is smart. He sees the writing on the wall, and knows the democratic “majority” will cease to exist after the mid-terms. Man you democrats really suck!

Posted by: Machod | October 29, 2009, 1:39 am 1:39 am

Can anybody quote a price per individual policy / spouse / kid(s)
regarding the public option?
How much cheaper will this actually be?
We will still have the same problems that drive up cost:
docs representing drug companies;
lawyers on tv – ambulance chasers;
docs practicing defensive medicine;
senators taking contributions from the health care industry.
Call this insurance policy whatever you like: private; public; government; or whatever Pelosi wants to call it these days. We will still have senators taking contributions from the very people they are supposed to be monitoring.

Posted by: can't wait to see what Pelosi comes up with. | October 29, 2009, 1:47 am 1:47 am

Liberals are just full of hate and contempt. Liberman has been one who has been honest and has great integrity unlike the reid’s and rengals. He has always been against increasing the deficit since it is so high right now, if you haven’t noticed it went up 1.4 trillion in the last year alone and will double in the 4 years of Obama’s presidency. At least Liberman has the smarts to face the facts and reality that most of you do not

Posted by: Jack | October 29, 2009, 9:39 am 9:39 am

Wow, I didn’t see this coming. Finally we begin to see this NoBAMA era coming to an end. I was excited to see an African American as the leader of the free world, but who would guess his radical agenda was anything but free. I would do anything to take back my vote. When they talk about balance of powers, wow, know I know what they mean. I hope the ultra libs never have this kind of control again. I hate Fox, but they sort of have it right. Capitalism may suck, but it’s a hell of a lot better than any alternative.
A former democrat,
Tony

Posted by: T. Jones | October 30, 2009, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm

Joe Lieberman is one of the few senators (along with John McCain) who votes his mind rather than the party line. He is to be commended for being one of the true Americans in the Senate.

Posted by: Bill Hammersley | October 30, 2009, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm

Yukon Sam: Poll after Poll shows that Americans don’t want a public option. PLEASE! You need to watch some news other than the made-up news at FOX and get some real facts. Just goes to show you that people have too much misinformation.

Posted by: SkipSkip | October 31, 2009, 6:50 am 6:50 am

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