By Sadie Bass

Dec 9, 2009 6:50pm

Inconvenient Emails Heat Up Battle Over Global Warming

You may have heard about the emails that are roiling the global warming debate.  Emails from a leading center in Europe were hacked into and released online.  Among the emails were messages from leading scientists who use gruff language to describe those who believe global warming isn't occurring.  The world's leading scientists say the emails — however unseemly – do nothing to change the science which is clear, the world is getting warmer.  But skeptics have seized the opportunity.  Read more about the emails HERE, and chime in below to tell us what you think.

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As a good doctor, Dr. Thomas in Columbus Ohio, once said to my wife, “the situation will at some point dictate it’s solution”

Posted by: Pragmatist | December 9, 2009, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm

what no one seems to point out is that we have been in a global warming trend since the last ice age or Pennsylvania would still be a glaicer. scientist have proven by going through rock layers from millions of years ago that the earth has went through heat ups and cool downs many times. so i guess what they should be trying to figure out is how much is the earth going through its natural cycles and how much is actually us.

Posted by: Sue | December 9, 2009, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm

Really? Tabloid tactics on World News? I am very disappointed that you have resorted to this low in broadcast news… no matter how you couch it… Tiger Woods scandal should not be fodder for this news program… what was it a slow news day…

Posted by: Kevin Casey | December 9, 2009, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm

As someone who takes the environment very seriously, recent data and some suspicious e-mails seem to show that humans are not the cause of global warming but the sun was the cause instead seemed suspicious. However, solar activity has been correlated to tempreatures since sunspots, which measure solar activity, started to be recorded back to the “Little Ice Age”. Plus, CO2 data lags behind temps by 800 years suggesting that high temps drive CO2 levels up not vice-versa.

Posted by: Caught in the Middle | December 9, 2009, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm

The whole world emits 28,431,741 tons of CO2 annually, with the top two contributors being China and the United States. China emits 6,104,493 tons of CO2 a year and the United States emits 5,752,289 tons of CO2 a year. This was a 2006 estimate, so the numbers are probably higher now. Seriously, global warming can cause serious and devastating consequences. The historic average of parts per million of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere was around 280. Now that number has significantly risen to more than 387 ppm. That means that it has risen by more than 100 parts per million since the Industrial Revolution. Before the Industrial revolution, the average annual increase of CO2 was less than 0.3 ppm, but now it is over 2.3 ppm. With the increase in carbon dioxide, there is a increase in temperature. The average temperature in the winter in Alaska has risen 15 degrees Fahrenheit and in the winter, 12 degrees. 2 trillion tons of ice have melted since 1980, half of which melted in Greenland. The Columbian Glacier in Alaska has melted 9 miles in length since 1980, 80 cubic feet a day, and is projected to retreat another 9 miles in length within the next 15 years. The temperature in Alaska has increased 15ºF in the winter and 12ºF in the summer since 1980. The Larsen B ice Shelf depleted to a size not seen in 12,000 years and melted 3520 km2. Within the last 50 years, the temperature of the Antarctica Peninsula has risen 2.5ºC. The Sea level is projected to rise more than a meter within the century, which will put many places underwater, and will force billions of people living on the coast to move. A major contributor to the rising sea levels is water expansion due to the heating of the water. Other consequences of global warming are the increase of diseases due to the increase of population of mosquitoes, there will be more drought, tornadoes, more frequent and violent hurricanes due to the warming of the oceans, more tsunamis, typhoons, flooding, etc.

Posted by: Thiek | December 9, 2009, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm

The whole world emits 28,431,741 tons of CO2 annually, with the top two contributors being China and the United States. China emits 6,104,493 tons of CO2 a year and the United States emits 5,752,289 tons of CO2 a year. This was a 2006 estimate, so the numbers are probably higher now. Seriously, global warming can cause serious and devastating consequences. The historic average of parts per million of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere was around 280. Now that number has significantly risen to more than 387 ppm. That means that it has risen by more than 100 parts per million since the Industrial Revolution. Before the Industrial revolution, the average annual increase of CO2 was less than 0.3 ppm, but now it is over 2.3 ppm. With the increase in carbon dioxide, there is a increase in temperature. The average temperature in the winter in Alaska has risen 15 degrees Fahrenheit and in the winter, 12 degrees. 2 trillion tons of ice have melted since 1980, half of which melted in Greenland. The Columbian Glacier in Alaska has melted 9 miles in length since 1980, 80 cubic feet a day, and is projected to retreat another 9 miles in length within the next 15 years. The temperature in Alaska has increased 15ºF in the winter and 12ºF in the summer since 1980. The Larsen B ice Shelf depleted to a size not seen in 12,000 years and melted 3520 km2. Within the last 50 years, the temperature of the Antarctica Peninsula has risen 2.5ºC. The Sea level is projected to rise more than a meter within the century, which will put many places underwater, and will force billions of people living on the coast to move. A major contributor to the rising sea levels is water expansion due to the heating of the water. Other consequences of global warming are the increase of diseases due to the increase of population of mosquitoes, there will be more drought, tornadoes, more frequent and violent hurricanes due to the warming of the oceans, more tsunamis, typhoons, flooding, etc.

Posted by: Thiek | December 9, 2009, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm

I have known ALL along that Al Gore and his push for changes to occur for the purpose of reversing Mankinds so called deleterious effect on the environment was all spurious and, most of all, driven by greed for the multiple BILLIONS of dollars that MOST of us are being FORCED to sacrifice for this gargantuan global FRAUD. It is a house of cards, and it HAS FALLEN DOWN; of COURSE, we will see that those who have set themselves up to PROFIT HANDSOMELY (hand over fist) will be especially vocal in ensuring all of us that the smoking gun e-mails reveal NOTHING that should put an end to the process. RIDICULOUS! UNACCEPTABLE! Climate Change? THAT emperor has NO CLOTHES and so many people are NAKED TOO and wanting the REST of us to strip ourselves too; I WON’T drink the Kool-Aid! COUNT on me to FIGHT the BS ’til the EMPEROR covers up his nasty bod!

Posted by: Barry Putnam | December 9, 2009, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm

Better late than never, it is good that ABC (and I notice CBS) finally decided to report on CLIMATEGATE.
The argument seems to now be that we are trying to smear real science. CBS even reported that it was a handful of emails rather than the thousands we have access to.
As a real scientist i can tell you this campaign against climategate is real. We have a petition with a total up to 31,478 scientists and 9,029 PhDs who completely refute alarmist claims and agree that increased CO2 is beneficial to our planet. Furthermore, this is just one of many such petitions and declarations all stating the same thing, signed by thousands of scientists around the world.
We don’t deny that heating and cooling cycles occur, but true science tags the cycles to solar activity rather than any activity of man. Also, the cycles do not directly correlate with CO2, thus a case can be made for CO2 not to be a causative factor.
The politically correct will attempt to marginalize and smear us, but we have experimental science on our side, not junk or consensus science.

Posted by: Ed Taylor | December 9, 2009, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm

Nothing in these e-mails takes away from the fact that climate change is occurring and to a large extent caused by human activity. I will trust the fact that there are thousands of reputable peer-reviewed studies out there that demonstrate this. Were these two scientists arrogant? Were they innappropiate? Yes – but that doesn’t disprove all the rest. And even their study – someone point out to me a specific example where these two particular scientists fudged data. I want the listing of the exact study. Come on, naysayers show me the money.

Posted by: prohb | December 9, 2009, 7:21 pm 7:21 pm

Finally ABC has stepped up and reported this story. A week after it happened. Now how about some investigative journalism to show the money trail that surrounds this whole global warming, er global climate change movement. Come on ABC stop handing 50% of the real news market to Fox.

Posted by: Shonuff | December 9, 2009, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm

10,000.00 years ago long before man made emissions 3/4 of the earth was covered in ice. All you smart Libs know this was called the ice age. What made the earth warm then??? Obamas stimulus and the democrats voted to spend 900 million of our tax money to study man made global warming. All I can say is keep voting democrat. PS Did anyone watch the weather channel today???

Posted by: Notheast Snow Storm | December 9, 2009, 7:27 pm 7:27 pm

We need to change to alternative energy sources like solar power, wind power, tidal power, wave power, geothermal, hydrogen, etc. Nuclear power is a really efficient and great resource, however we need to find safer ways to store, maintain, or reuse nuclear waste. There have been a few accidents with nuclear waste accidents in the past, and that created places that are uninhabitable now because of the radiation. Hydro-electric is good, but it can be harmful to animals, especially salmon. Ethanol, isn’t the best, because it increases the price on food, destroys habitats of animals, and it still uses gasoline. Car run by Hydrogen, solar power, and electricity are promising for the future. The problem with Hydrogen is now it takes almost more energy to produce than it saves. Hydrogen is also highly flammable. The benefit is that it’s only emission is water. The problem of solar power is that it isn’t always sunny, but the rovers that were sent to Mars were able to stay running during a two month sand storm that blocked out the sun. However, the solar panels on the rovers are much more advanced than commercial ones and they utilize more parts of the electromagnetic spectrum than commercial ones. The problem with electric cars is that they use electricity made from coal. If we use rechargeable lithium ion batteries for the electric cars, and find a more environmentally friendly way to deal with the batteries, then it can be very promising.

Posted by: Thiek | December 9, 2009, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm

The reason that china puts out more c02 is because they let all their citizens exhale that c02 and there are lots of them but of course that is all natural JUST LIKE EARTHS WARMING AND COOLING CYCLES that have been going on for millions of years if you go to Nebraska they have what they refer to as sand hills, those were left by the reocuring glaciers, There are rocks there that are bigger than a house totaly smooth and polished flat from being carried by the glaciers, and there were hundreds of glaciers ocurring thousands of years apart, then the warming would melt them and nobody was driving around in a car poluting the planet to cause that warming a million years ago.

Posted by: earl | December 9, 2009, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm

ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Are you saying that this much CO2 emitted in the atmosphere is GOOD for the environment? As I said in my first post the average parts per million of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere in the course of the Earth’s history was 270, and now it’s at 380! With this much carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, the oceans will become so acidic, coral reefs will die off, destroying countless ecosystems!

Posted by: Thiek | December 9, 2009, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm

You are an ignorant idiot if you say that the reason that China emits that much CO2 is simply because of exhalation! It is because of the massive amount of factories and production!

Posted by: Thiek | December 9, 2009, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm

Thanks for finally airing a story about Climategate. But I have a few questions:
1) Why did it take so long as opposed to other stories about leaks?
2) Why did you refer to the emails as stolen? Is that how you refer to all leaked emails?
3) Why did you only interview people who justified their embarrassing emails, when other, less self-serving interpretations would be more neutral and informative?
4) Why did you leave out one of the hottest topics, the efforts to defy the FOI act?
5) Likewise, why was there no mention of the efforts to control the peer review process?
6) Why was there no mention of the comments in the computer code that was also leaked, which show data being changed arbitrarily to produce a desired result?
7) If some things were omitted to make the segment fit, surely another story where trillions of dollars are not potentially at stake, like the Chinese artist, could have been delayed?
8) Will you be following up with other stories that challenge the consensus, like Dr. Wangs fabricated data from China, or the weather station data from Australia that appears to be altered from cooling to show a spurious warming trend?

Posted by: drwilliams | December 9, 2009, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm

The isssue isn’t whether or not warming is occuring but whether or not it is caused by–and therefore correctable by–humans. It isn’t even whether these emails, documents, and computer codes were posted by a hacker, a whistleblower (more likely), or an intelligence operation (less likely, but possible).
These emails and especially the computer code show very clearly that the data coming out of both CRU/UEA and NASA’s data from Michael Mann have been fudged. Much of the remaining data for the IPCC’s reports have come from these two sources or other sources that relied on them. ALL of that data is now suspect.
If the raw data has been hidden, compromised, or worse, destroyed, how can we trust it enough to bet the entire world’s economic future on it? Because that is exactly what we will be doing. Everything, even storage, takes energy.
When you ask a math teacher “why does one plus one equal two?” he tells you. If you ask a chemist how he knows water is two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen, he tells you. They don’t say “Trust me.” They don’t immediately show you pictures of cuddly looking polar bear cubs and tell you these poor animals will die if you don’t believe. That may work for Tinkerbell, but it won’t change the climate if this ISN’T something caused by humans.
And, right now, it’s looking as if humans added very little to this.
Now is time for a Sherlock Holmes or a Perry Mason, not a time for politicians and treaties.

Posted by: Ron P. | December 9, 2009, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm

By: Dr. William Gray
The following commentary is from Atmospheric Scientist and Hurricane forecasting specialist Dr. William Gray. Gray is the renowned hurricane forecaster and Emeritus Professor of Atmospheric Science at Colorado State University (CSU) and originally published this artiucle on ####.com.
Had I not devoted my entire career of more than half a century to the study and forecasting of meteorological and climate events, I would have likely been concerned over the possibility of humans causing serious global climate degradation.
There has been an unrelenting quarter century of one-sided indoctrination of the Western world by the media and by various scientists and governments concerning a coming carbon dioxide (CO2) induced global warming disaster. These warming scenarios have been orchestrated by a combination of environmentalists, vested interest scientists wanting larger federal grants and publicity, the media which profits from doomsday scenario reporting, governmental bureaucrats who want more power over our lives, and socialists who want to level-out global living standards. These many alarmist groups appear to have little concern over whether their global warming prognostications are accurate, however. And they most certainly are not. The alarmists believe they will be able to scare enough of our citizens into believing their propaganda that the public will be willing to follow their advice on future energy usage and agree to a lowering of their standard of living in the name of climate salvation.
This is only part of the article. Research this for yourself.

Posted by: grey0066 | December 9, 2009, 7:41 pm 7:41 pm

People that don’t believe in global warming are just misinformed ignorant people who refuse to believe it because they are afraid. They think that the Earth is so big and we really small compared to the enormity of the planet, but you are WRONG! If you think about it, we have almost inhabited every square inch of this planet and we have transformed it to our desires. We are rapidly destroying and cutting down rain forests. Countless species are becoming extinct every day in the rain forest, probably some of which we have never discovered and we never will witness in the future :( The annihilation of the Earth’s rain forests also releases carbon dioxide.

Posted by: Thiek | December 9, 2009, 7:46 pm 7:46 pm

PUH-LEEZE! Give it a rest; willya? The hacked emails are incriminatingly destructive of the argument that global warming exists/is catastrophous to mankind. PUHLEEZE!
And seriously; ABC News; get a clue: we are not so moronic as you and your ilk have been portraying us all these several years that the science/media/politico elte have been attempting to indoctrinate the world in the farce of “global warming.” Here the evidence exists and the squashing of debate continues (like a few snippets of entertainment personalities accurately presents the opposing view of the debate). Try, just for once, try interviewing Bjorn Lomborg, or Pat Michaels (whom was the object of the comment “beat the crap out of” in your hack-job report), or take your pick of any others, to accurately present to the community the real issues within this matter. Your report confirms what we already know; that no matter what the truth; you and your ilk shall carry on as if nothing has happened. Are you seriously trying to tell we the population, that the same people who have lied to us for the past dozen years, now are credible to tell us the evidence is accurate and factual? How is it that their lying supports their evidence; but doesn’t support our contention that they’ve been lying all this time! PUHLEEZE!! Your report is confirmation that you are complicit in the conspiracy of squashing the debate. Although it’s so difficult to understand why. Part of the truth is that if global warming were actually occurring, it would save lives every year. More people die from exteme cold than extreme heat; every year.
ABC, clean up your act. Become credible. NBC did so after they started the Chevy truck fires and cried “sharp, pointy, teeth!” (you know; that’s Monty Python for “here’s the evidence; right here!”); by apologizing; and firing their news president too. How about following their lead, eh?
Hey Thiek; you really think we’ll be convinced that our breath is killing us, if you post your comment twice? Try ####.com to fix up your “facts.”
PUHLEEZE!!

Posted by: Jeff W. | December 9, 2009, 7:47 pm 7:47 pm

What a poor excuse for a story. The real news here is not the emails, but the associated documents and source code released with the emails. These clearly shows how results were fabricated to give the researchers the results they wanted.
With the number one rule of science being the ability to reproduce results. The fact that the researchers have discarded the original data to “save space” invalidates any science on this subject and any research based off of it, and anyone who claims to have done a peer review of it.
There is no science linking climate changes to anything that has been done by man. Anyone who claims otherwise is lying or ignorant.

Posted by: Paul | December 9, 2009, 7:47 pm 7:47 pm

The problem is that Glaciers all over the world are melting at an alarming rate
2 trillion tons of ice has melted since 1980
This is caused by global warming, an event that takes place when too many trace gasses are in the atmosphere that trap in too much heat.
The leading culprit among the trace gasses is Carbon Dioxide
The historic average of parts per million of carbon dioxide present in the air was 280, now it is almost 390. It has increased by 100 part per million above the average level, and it is rising steadily 2.3 ppm annually.
According to a 2006 estimate, the world emits 28,431,741 tons of carbon dioxide a year. The United States and China are the world’s top contributors of CO2 with China emitting 6,104,493 tons and the U.S emitting 5,752,289 tons annually.
If we keep this up, the number of trace gasses in the atmosphere will continue to increase, which in turn keep increasing the temperature, which will lead to more melting ice.

Posted by: Thiek | December 9, 2009, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm

Significance: The Earth’s land ice holds 75% of all of the world’s freshwater. The temperature is rising across the globe, especially in the poles
Consequences: The sea level is projected to rise by 1 meter at the end of the century, if we do not do something soon. This rise in sea level could put states like Florida and Pacific islands underwater. Most of the world’s population lives on the coast, and all of those people would need to be evacuated. 75% of the Earth’s freshwater supply is held in ice, so if all or most of the ice melts, millions of people would die of dehydration. It would mess up the flow of water through rivers and rivers might not reach their destinations. This would destroy the habitats of many animals that live in for instance, the Arctic, Antarctica, or the permafrost of Siberia. It would also have a great cultural impact on native peoples like Intuits. It will cause the collapse of many buildings built in the permafrost as well.
Variables: The variables that need to be addressed are how much the temperatures are increasing by, the amount of sea level rise, the thickness and expanse of the ice, how much ice there is, where the ice is located

Posted by: Thiek | December 9, 2009, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm

Glaciers cover about 10% of Earth’s land
Glaciers covered about 32% of Earth’s land during the last Ice Age
Glaciers make up 75% of the world’s freshwater supply
The ice in Antarctica is more than 2.6 miles thick in some areas
There would be a 230 foot rise in sea level worldwide if al the land ice were to melt

Posted by: Thiek | December 9, 2009, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm

Out of the 2 trillion tons of ice that has melted in the last 20 years, half of which has melted in Greenland.
It wouldn’t seem uncommon to see that a glacier in Greenland to recede a few miles a year.
Glacial shifts usually occur over centuries or millenniums, but the Jakobshavn glacier’s path towards the sea has sped up rapidly since 2000
It moved forward at a pace of 3.54 miles a year between 1992 and 1997. In 2003 the speed of its path increased to 7.83 miles per year.
It nearly doubled the amount of ice it discharged and it has lost about 49 feet vertically every year since 1997
The Jakobshavn Isbrae Glacier is Greenland’s largest outlet glacier and it drains 6.5% of the continent’s ice sheet area.
The melting of this glacier increases sea level by .002 inches a year, 4% of the annual increase in 20th century sea level rise.
The water melting in Greenland from the last five years would fill up 11 Chesapeake Bays
If all of the ice in Greenland were to melt there would be a 7 meter sea level rise.

Posted by: Thiek | December 9, 2009, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm

During the last 50 years, the Antarctic Peninsula has warmed by 2.5º C.
The Larsen B ice shelf is 3250 km2 and 200 meters thick. It disintegrated in February, 2002 over a month’s time period.
This ice shelf had been stable for 10,000 years.
If all of the ice in Antarctica were to melt, there would be a 58 meter sea level rise

Posted by: Thiek | December 9, 2009, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm

The Columbian Glacier is about three miles wide in some places, up to 3,000 feet thick, and has thinned 1,300 feet in places in the last 25 years
It is 34 miles long and is sliding in at a rate of 115 feet a day
The Columbia Glacier has shrunk 9 miles in length since 1980 and is projected to retreat another 9 miles within the next 15-20 years.
It is discharging nearly 2 cubic miles of ice a year into the Prince William Sound (Equal to 100,000 ships packed with ice, each of which 1– feet long)
It melts at a rate of 80 feet per day
It contributes the largest amount of sea level rise out of all of the North American glaciers and produces 10% of the water volume entering the sea from all Alaskan glaciers each year

Posted by: Thiek | December 9, 2009, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm

ABC and all Media please wake up, the point is not global warming, the point is Global Climate Change. Most scientists all refer to Global Climate Change not Global Warming. The fact is Co2 is changing our climates worldwide this is obvious. The earths climate is becoming destabalized, and there is evidence that it might even trigger an ice age, ocean currents are changing and could stop.
ABC please report fairly. The issue should not be Global Warming. The issue is Global Climate Change caused by co2. Stop the hype clear up the facts.

Posted by: D. Kai Gordon | December 9, 2009, 7:52 pm 7:52 pm

Montana park had 150 glaciers in 1850, and now only 26 of these glaciers remain
The glaciers that remain are mere fragments of what they were before.

Posted by: Thiek | December 9, 2009, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm

Since the cause of the melting of the ice is rising temperatures, and the more CO2 that is emitted the higher the temperatures, there is an obvious solution
We need to get to the root of the problem, that is rising C02 emissions. In order to stop the increase in temperatures and in turn, the increase in the melting ice, we have to emit less CO2 into the atmosphere
Now that is easier said than done. We need to ask ourselves, just how will we reduce our output of CO2?
In order to do this we need to stop using fossil fuels and switch to renewable, environmentally friendly fuels that do not output any carbon emissions. Some of these alternative energies include; wind power, solar panels, solar troughs, tidal power, wave power, hydro-electric power, geothermal, hydrogen, air combustion, lithium ion battery power, and nuclear power

Posted by: Thiek | December 9, 2009, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm

Thiek, sorry to break this to you but the climate of the earth has been changing since there has been a climate. The argument is if there are any man made causes to the changes, and there is no science to show that there is.
To your assertion that the climate is currently warming, please provide evidence – but there is none since it was all thrown away by the researchers at the CRU.

Posted by: Paul | December 9, 2009, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm

Things that you could do to help are:
Limit showers to 5 minutes
Carpool and/or buy more fuel-efficient cars
Walk or ride a bicycle to places that are close by
Turn your air conditioner close to the temperature outside
Install geothermal and/or solar panels, and/or a windmill
Unplug appliances when not in use or buy a surge protector that you can turn off when electronics are not in use (electronic items are usually still consuming power when they are off)
Turn off lights when you leave a room
Keep your house well insulated
Don’t leave doors open for long periods of time
Call or send a letter to your senator informing him/her of your concern and/or sign a petition

Posted by: Thiek | December 9, 2009, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm

I am not trying to say that things are not going wrong with the world. There is no denying that. But, my question is has anyone ever thought that maybe we are experiencing the start of a polar shift? The earth over millions of years has changed greatly. So, who says that the changes we are seeing are not natural and will continue despite our efforts. Ice caps have came and gone before, the earth has flooded before, it has been hot and cold, wet and dry. We know this, so maybe we are just seeing that change that has happened time and time again over millions of years.

Posted by: James | December 9, 2009, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm

I used sites from NASA, Government websites, databases, and many other credible sources

Posted by: Thiek | December 9, 2009, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm

The Climate HOAX exposes the fake science the predatory proponents of this bogus data. The earth always has and always will be undergoing change.
Check out the following link for accurate information on the global CO2 HOAX.

Posted by: Sue | December 9, 2009, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm

By the way, 98% of scientists “believe” in global warming. The actually accept the fact that global warming is true. Global warming a.k.a Climate Change is a FACT!

Posted by: Thiek | December 9, 2009, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm

Regardless of the global warming debate, humans are increasing the level of CO2 at an alarming rate. Only an idiot would think it a good idea to allow this to continue, let alone increase CO2 output. Ignorant greedy pigs who care for nothing but the crap they get from their sloven greed ought to be required to suck up the excess CO2 from corporate smokestacks and everyone’s auto tailpipes. In the long run it may be better that humans choke themselves to death on CO2. Better that than the supreme human idiocy of nuclear war. Only creatures as stupid as humans could debate over two equally horrible options. I’m ashamed to be human amongst such idiocy.

Posted by: ilike tobreath | December 9, 2009, 7:57 pm 7:57 pm

Congratulations ABC,
It only took three weeks (21 days) to catch up with the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck. Needless to say, I was greatly underwhelmed by the timeliness of tonight’s coverage of the CRU (University of East Anglia) email scandal.
What are your investigative staff using to cover the news these days; stagecoaches?
Cheers,
Packard

Posted by: Packard | December 9, 2009, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm

Now let us report on the illegal alien occupying the white house and how he has spent 2 million dollars on lawyers keeping everything sealed.

Posted by: Bill | December 9, 2009, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm

I DID NOT SAY THAT OUR BREATHING IS KILLING US, I SIMPLY WAS REPLYING TO ANOTHER USER’S RIDICULOUS COMMENT THE OTHER USER SAID “The reason that china puts out more c02 is because they let all their citizens exhale that c02 and there are lots of them but of course that is all natural…” form Earl. In my reply to him, I was saying that his comment was completely ridiculous

Posted by: Thiek | December 9, 2009, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm

Thiek, I am impressed with how fast you can type and post comments. Unfortunately, you have missed the point. I doubt anyone will argue the world didn’t warm from about 1975 to about 1998. But, there has been no detectable warming since 1998. That’s what the emails were talking about when they regretted being unable to explain the “lack of warming” even though CO2 continued to rise through these years.
All the concern and good will in the world will not save the glaciers if the cause is solar or some other non-human reason. Only if humans are the first cause will any of your points matter. God bless you. Live your life as you choose. But, let the rest of us have the comfort of knowing–before trashing our economy and way of life–that this isn’t just a bunch of hooey.

Posted by: Ron P. | December 9, 2009, 8:09 pm 8:09 pm

It sure will change the economies of countries that haven’t, don’t, won’t or care about the climate when they get all our jobs, the mechanization of America is what made us great and it was built here. If Obama changes the laws like he says he will (this regime seems to just keep pushing an agenda that the US can’t afford) it may finish putting the US in bankrupty. So if it all comes down the fact that climate change is just evolution and things are changing the way intended and we give away our jobs and lifestyle I don’t think it will have been worth it and I personally don’t believe man can change the weather.

Posted by: Packo | December 9, 2009, 8:12 pm 8:12 pm

What a biased news story — only good that came of it was that “global warming deniers” are now being called “global warming skeptics”. I guess that’s a step up. How about a real in depth investigation into the parsed and altered data — that’s the bad science. It’s much more likely this data wasn’t stolen — it was released by a whistleblower who had finally gotten sick of the coverup. How about a real new media investigation into how any science that doesn’t support the global warming position is vilified and the scientists are ostracized.
The end of the Roman Warming (warm, dry) brought the “Mongol hordes” out of the steppes because their civilization couldn’t survive the cold. This was the start of the Dark Ages (cold, wet). Followed by the Medieval Warming (warm, dry), then the Little Ice Age (cold, wet). See a pattern? Check it out. PBS aired a three-part series recently on Becoming Human that clearly indicated 200 or more cycles of warming and cooling on a global scale based on ice cores. Watch the Series!! Perfectly fits the solar cycles described in “Unstoppable Global Warming Every 1500 years”. Don’t think PBS intended to have it support us “skeptics” but they have done so accidentally.
Need another reference — try “Climate Confusion: How Global Warming Hysteria Leads to Bad Science, Pandering Politicians and Misguided Policies that Hurt the Poor” by Roy Spencer, a former NASA climatologist. He takes the science down to the grade school to high school level so you don’t have to have a PhD to understand the arguments.
Consider it a challenge, ABC, to act like a real investigative news agency rather than a liberal mouthpiece.

Posted by: KKM | December 9, 2009, 8:17 pm 8:17 pm

For Shame. You report on the so called Climategate but stoop to use a tactic from one of your competors. You used a clip of Jon Stewart that, taken out of context, seems to express that Jon thinks Al Gore was wrong. Nothing could be further from the truth. This puts you on par with FauxNews and lowers your credibilty on all other news. I repeat, FOR SHAME

Posted by: Steve | December 9, 2009, 8:24 pm 8:24 pm

I just think that it’s incredibly arrogant to believe that we completely, 100% understand the Earth’s climate regulatory system, to the point that we can pinpoint “exactly” what causes what. I remember it was only a few 100 years ago that Galileo said that the solar system was centered on the sun, not the earth. And the “establishment” rediculed him.
That same establishment wants me to believe that they know exactly how to “stablize” the earth’s climate control system. Frankly, I’m terrified that in their “tweaking” they are going to send us into another ice age.
What’s the hurry? Why can’t we spend the time to get the science exactly right?
And this scientific concensus that the mainstream media keeps assuring us exists, doesn’t. Over 150 scientists, including at least one Nobel Prize winner say that global warming is hogwash. That’s not concensus.
I’ve also noticed that all these altruistic environmentalists seem to be making a ton of money off of terrifying the world into “buying and selling” carbon credits. Hmmmmmmm, maybe they have a vested interest in convincing us that global warming is real.

Posted by: Distant Smoke | December 9, 2009, 8:27 pm 8:27 pm

How can some people like Theik, Ron P. and Packo, who seem like intelligent beings, fail to recognize that the future economy means nothing for humans if humans fail to exist in the future. Global warming is here, period. It makes little difference whether humans caused it at this point (though studying it does make sense). A future economy needs to include a massive reduction in CO2 emissions. Debating this issue is moot. Greedy people need to find a way to continue pursuing their greed without suffocating the rest of us. And by the way Packo, please look up the definition of weather and climate. They are not synonyms.

Posted by: ilike tobreath | December 9, 2009, 8:28 pm 8:28 pm

The greenhouse effect is a natural cycle that made the average temperature of the Earth around 60 degrees Fahrenheit. The way it works is that the Sun radiates heat towards the Earth, 6% is reflected by the atmosphere, 20% from the clouds, 51% absorbed by the surface, 4% reflected by the surface, and 19% absorbed the the atmosphere and clouds. Trace gasses in the atmosphere like water vapor, carbon dioxide, methane, and many other gasses absorb that 19% of infrared radiation and keep it in the atmosphere. WITH THE ADDITION OF MORE TRACE GASSES IN THE ATMOSPHERE, MORE INFRARED RADIATION WILL BE ABSORBED, INCREASING THE TEMPERATURE. IT IS SIMPLE.

Posted by: Thiek | December 9, 2009, 8:35 pm 8:35 pm

As another poster commented, the world has been warming up since the last ice age. The question would be, just how many ice ages have there been? Every time the world starts one, it is global cooling and every time one ends it is global warming.
The best part is how accurate the data is that the people are using to determine that global warming is happening. Accurate temperature data has been taken, since around 1860, since it is nearly 2010, the time has been approximately 150 years. Now the world is about 4 billion years old. Please understand is that these dates are a rough estimate. Completing the math means that we have accurate data for approximately 0.0000000375 % of the age of the Earth. I do not know what kind of scientist would look percentage with that many leading zeros.
Maybe the news media should ask a math expert about working with numbers so small.

Posted by: Wilbur | December 9, 2009, 8:40 pm 8:40 pm

Thiek, you really don’t get it do you? The question is: Is there any causation between human activities and climate change. There is NO evidence to suggest there is. Even NASA that you mention as a “credible” source in a previous post continues to deny freedom of information requests on their source data. Until they do so, any information they release can not be considered scientific.
Also, there was a thing called a “little ice age” (the end of which is the point at which alarmists start their measurements) so of course we are going to be warmer then that. There was also a middle age warm period (which the emails explain on how to hide) compare those temperatures to the current temperature to that and you would think we are heading to the next ice age. Remember, Greenland was once actually green, vineyards thrived in England, and the polar bears were just fine. And all these changes occurred without regard to CO2 – a trace, but life giving element in our atmosphere.

Posted by: Paul | December 9, 2009, 8:41 pm 8:41 pm

The problem isn’t just global warming, it’s the fact that the Earth is being ravaged and destroyed by human activity, just as a virus attacks its host. The Earth is as alive as the tree outside your window and if you don’t treat it as such it will either fight back by erradicating the virus or die.

Posted by: Honorable Chief Red Injun | December 9, 2009, 8:46 pm 8:46 pm

Climate change and the current worldwide economic depression may be happening at the same time, but one would be hard pressed to link the two as some here seem to imply. Also, contrary to the opinion of other idiots voicing their opinion here, encouraging the growth of environmentally sound industries creates jobs. The only way we can lose out with the rest of the world is if we choose to remain the same idiots. Grow up folks, the world has changed and industry and the economy will change with it. Put away your rose colored glasses and lead based paints and let’s move forward, intelligently.

Posted by: ilike tobreath | December 9, 2009, 8:50 pm 8:50 pm

What is the downside of switching from oil based economy to a solar/alternative energy based society Global warming or not.

Posted by: Ann | December 9, 2009, 8:50 pm 8:50 pm

Because emerging facts are revealing that the federal government has engaged in the business of financial underwriting, manufacturing, marketing and the selling of allegedly fatally flawed, defective, and consumer un-friendly products known under the interchangeable names of climate change, global warming, or Mr. Al Gore’s CO2 theory,
we have the right to demand the federal government cease production of said product until such time investigations are completed and determinations made as to how to proceed thereon.
To prevent further harm to the consumer, we should demand swift identification and recall of said products.
Policies and grants related to said product should be yanked off the shelves, and the Copenhagen meeting cancelled.
As an agriculture producer, I am outraged by the fact that the federal government has used my money to market and mandate purchase of said product.
If we produce a tainted product, we yank it from the shelf ASAP, do trace back to determine the genesis, correct the problem, then work hard to re-gain consumer confidence.
We have the right to expect the federal government follow the same!
In spite of being over-regulated, taxed and attack, America’s resource providers still provide good, safe, steady, affordable supplies of essential goods.
Remember when Oprah Winfrey said, “Well that’s the last time I’ll eat a hamburger?” I’d suggest it’s time for her to say, “Well that’s the last time I’ll have an Al Gore product!”
Politics is not only un-welcome in the science lab, it’s not welcome anywhere.

Posted by: Roni | December 9, 2009, 8:51 pm 8:51 pm

Okay, I’m a teen in high school, so just keep that in mind if you are reading this.
I am neutral on the topic of Global Warming. I don’t know enough to say if it exists or not. But just because it is or isn’t happening DOES NOT mean that we can’t start focusing on cleaning up the environment!!! If global warming DOES come around, it will be too late to fix the world. That is what happens every time. People don’t think it is affecting them, then by the time it does it is too late to do anything. It is ridiculous.
And for people who are looking to pick a fight or to start a ruckus (aka Anti-believers of global warming) STOP IT! Stop analyzing all the little pieces of email, stop being idiots and trying to make more problems for the world! We need to focus on things one step at a time. The world doesn’t need any more riled up messes. We’ve got too many on our hands. And if you can’t stop whining or pointing a finger at someone then obviously you are not mature enough to even state your opinion.
We shouldn’t wait until the last minute. Global warming or no global warming, it wouldn’t hurt to at least be conscious of what we are doing. It would be good for the world I believe.

Posted by: Jojo | December 9, 2009, 8:56 pm 8:56 pm

Liberals believe that the ends justify the means. They are convinced that the sky will fall unless we revert to a hunter-gatherering society. So to lie about the climate data is justified and necessary. They know that BO and AG are liers. But they still think of them as heros for lieing for the good of humanity. Debating with Liberals is a waste of the CO2 that we exhale.

Posted by: Ray | December 9, 2009, 9:02 pm 9:02 pm

Conserving the environment is “conservative,” RAY!

Posted by: ilike tobreath | December 9, 2009, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm

In phasing out gas guzzlers, dirty energy sources and flatulant cows, where is the mystery? I prefer to side up with the cautious but wary science of contraryism. vis. Earth cycles in this manner every so many ions, as a way of cleansing itself of pollutants and undesirable civilizations. Have we as a species grown so cocky to suggest that we can and should act to affect the entire earth’s natural cycles, it’s age-old prehistoric methods of purification? Is it within our capability as a scientific community to allocate legislation to prevent such a cataclysmic event from taking place, when all signs point to ‘yes?’ React in an overly contemptuous manner and upset the balance of nature on the other side. Do too little and risk failure of the plan altogether. The simple truth is: all these scientific theories are in truth just that: theories. There are too many unknown factors working against modern scientists. It may take years to decide if the theories are correct or not, and after they are proven, the years of debate over which ones to throw out. My plan: 1. clean up the air. 2. Err on the side of good. 3. Prevent greed and hubris to take any larger bite out of it. 4. Replace fear with decisive action. 5. Make the world a better place than the one your parents gave you.

Posted by: Diane Sliger | December 9, 2009, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm

Dear ABC,
Wonderful graphs are available online showing that 1. Carbon Dioxide levels (from ice core data) FOLLOW temperature changes rather than causing them, and 2. Sunspot activity correlates much more closely with temperature changes in the last few hundred years than does carbon dioxide concentration.
The question is not whether the climate changes. It is whether or not humans are causing it, and whether or not we can or should try to do anything about it.
Copenhagen is a power grab based on very shaky ground. Please look into the truth of this issue instead of parroting the politically correct view.

Posted by: ARY | December 9, 2009, 9:18 pm 9:18 pm

Way to be Diane!!! Another intelligent being in the universe. Thank you! Your conservative thinking makes good sense.

Posted by: ilike tobreath | December 9, 2009, 9:19 pm 9:19 pm

I find it interesting that a criminal act (hacking) is now so legitimate.

Posted by: Maria | December 9, 2009, 9:20 pm 9:20 pm

Thiek has obviously overlooked a few very important points, the first being that mankind is NOT the major carbon dioxide ‘emitter’ on the planet. It is nature itself. Mankind’s contribution to the total CO2 emitted into the atmosphere is minuscule.
Second, without CO2 all life would die. Plants require it for food. More CO2, more food.
Third, CO2 levels have been an order of magnitude higher than they are now and the temps weren’t all that much higher than today (look up Vostok Ice Cores).
Fourth, far too many people believing the AGW dogma assume that a warmer climate will be a bad thing. Yet a thousand years ago (the middle of the Medieval Warm Period) the climate was warmer than it is today and agriculture and civilizations thrived. During the Roman Warm Period (about 2,000 years ago) the same thing was true. The cold periods following each of those eras were times of misery, famine, and plagues (one of the side effects of the Little Ice Age was the Black Plague, which wiped out much of Europe’s population). With the colder temps came failed crops and famine. And famine meant the denizens of that time were also more susceptible to disease. So don’t assume things will be worse if the climate is warmer. History says otherwise.

Posted by: Tut Morris | December 9, 2009, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm

Thiek- if this is man made, why are these scientists cooking the data, removing prior warm periods, and then complaining that it is a travesty that they cannot explain why the earth is not warming? WHy? Perhaps CO2 levels are a result of warming, not a cause? DId you ever open a coke cold coke can put it in the oven and then warm it up? What happens? The CO2 is released. You would say that the CO2 heated the oven, I say the oven heated up and the released CO2 was the result.

Posted by: bryan | December 9, 2009, 9:24 pm 9:24 pm

For the people who say the climate is gradually changing and that this is just one of the Earth’s normal cycles, I say this. Yes there have been ice ages and things before and changes in the Earth’s past, but never in the Earth’s history, has a change so drastic occurred in such a short period of time. The last ten years were the hottest years in the history of the world (Except for when the Earth was a flaming ball of molten rock after the big bang)

Posted by: Thiek | December 9, 2009, 9:34 pm 9:34 pm

JoJo – be careful for what you ask for. The drive for Brazil to use 100% ethanol has devastated the rain forest for sugar plantations. Our own use of corn to create this questionable fuel has increased food prices around the world. While these prices are relatively easily absorb in our own country, the increase in prices in poor countries are not. You should be asking why the news is not reporting on the food riots and starvation this has already caused.
Much like the banning of DDT causing literally millions in the third world to die needlessly malaria. Now we find out that the science behind the ban was bad (starting to sound familiar yet?). How many people are you willing to condemn to a life of poverty, starvation and disease that could be prevented with CO2 producing but cheap power? I believe before we ruin the lives of billions, we better be very sure of what we are doing and currently there is no science to that shows reducing CO2 would have any affect on climate changes.
But I will even play devils advocate, lets say CO2 is warming the earth. So what? What makes you think the current climate is optimum? The poles may melt and bring rains to the Sahara turning it into a farmland capable of feeding the world. It was during historically warm periods that human civilization thrived, both the Renaissance and Bronze age occurred during periods where the earth was warmer then today. To assume that a warmer earth is a bad earth is a very bad assumption. Just know this, no matter what we do the climate will change, it always has and always will.

Posted by: Paul | December 9, 2009, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm

Thiek, once again you are wrong. The past 10 years have been cooling. And the last century was warmer then what? Nothing, the medieval warm period was warmer.
Much like Al Gore believing the earth is a few million degrees just under the crust, your spouting of incorrect “facts” just harms your position.

Posted by: Paul | December 9, 2009, 9:48 pm 9:48 pm

Thiek- Hydrogen is awful because it takes 5 times the energy to make it than you get from it, Ethanol is a loser because your mileage decrease 40%, electric is ok but it depend on how you make the electricity. Nuclear is great but burning coal is not. You really should look at the web site by Dr. Nate Lewis, professor of physics, at CALTECH who runs the energy institute. He was the scientist who debunked cold fusion. You need some scientific education about energy and his presentation gives the scientific facts without politics. Then write about energy because so far, your facts are scientifically in error.

Posted by: bryan | December 9, 2009, 9:48 pm 9:48 pm

I list “Global Warming” right next to the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny. This is because climate change has been going on for millions of years due to storms on the surface of the sun and NOT because of emmissions from automobiles and factories. Just because Al Gore wrote a book, made a movie and was given a Nobel prize does NOT prove anything to me. Hey, tell the people up in the northern states about global warming as they shovel snow right now and see if they do not throw a snowball at you

Posted by: D C Townsend | December 9, 2009, 9:53 pm 9:53 pm

Trace gasses in the atmosphere like water vapor, carbon dioxide, methane, and many other gasses absorb that 19% of infrared radiation and keep it in the atmosphere. – Thiek
Thiek, almost right.
The absorbed infrared radiation in the atmosphere doesn’t stay there. At night it gets radiated into space. If the sun turned off we’d get cold very fast. One cool thing about CO2 absorbing more infrared radiation is that less gets to the earth and the CO2 absorbed radiation is closer to space so it can get radiated out quicker at night.
You see Thiek, the amount of infrared radiation is a set amount determined by the sun. If the atmosphere absorbs a little more than a little less gets to things such as leaves and dirt. Thinking about it in this way helps you to understand that the earth’s temp is almost all due to the output of the sun and the albedo of the planet.
Maybe what we need and are due for is a super volcano eruption or a large meteor impact.
: o )
btw, you’re welcome.

Posted by: Noz | December 9, 2009, 9:53 pm 9:53 pm

Thank you so much for showing the truth about “global warming” and that it is based on greed and politics. We all know that global warming exists, but to what extent do we tax countries and Americans alike to make money for Al Gore and his cronies? We are NOT stupid! Please keep bringing these “uncomfortable truths” to light for all of America so that we can stop these injustices.

Posted by: Julie | December 9, 2009, 9:55 pm 9:55 pm

Let’s see…should we give absolute credence to a few opinions hacked from emails that claim global warming isn’t happening, or should we respect the vast compilation of scientific data supporting the fact that global warming is a real threat? Hmmm…whatever should we believe? Should we pretend that there’s really no problem with continuing to pollute the natural world to death, or should we be proactive (or at least supportive of those who are) in implementing long term solutions while we are still a viable species on this planet? Decisions, decisions…what a nuisance. Hey! Why don’t we ask a few polar bears if they don’t mind us continuing to destroy their natural environment? Or, we could take a look at NASA photos of the shrinking Greenland Ice Sheet between 1996 and now—it’s only less than half the ice it used to be, no big deal. And, so what if glaciers all over the world are melting at an alarming rate? So what if floods, hurricanes, and tornadoes have increased in intensity and are occurring in places they didn’t before? So what if rain forests are being destroyed all around the world by human activity and our planet is experiencing the greatest mass extinction of plant and animal species ever? Those tropical forests only drive weather patterns all around the globe…no big deal. Anyway, I hear that we may be able to generate an atmosphere and life on Mars within a couple of hundred-thousand years, and then if we’re still around, we could go live on Mars! Ya know, weather is always subject to change, and changing how we use our world is such a bother. If there are any future generations, let them deal with the mess we leave behind, because it’s really easier to just believe whatever we want to and continue to live like a cancer on Earth, even if we ultimately cause our own extinction, right?

Posted by: Elizabeth Maxwell-Robinson | December 9, 2009, 10:03 pm 10:03 pm

Paraphrase: “Never such a drastic temperature change so quickly?”
Actually, a relatively common find among glacial biologists has been the remains of mammoths frozen so quickly there were still undigested flowers in their stomachs. Such have been found both in Siberia and in the upper reaches of Canada, in areas where glaciers were receding back in the 1930s. Not sure, but I seem to recall one case where the poor beast was still in a standing position, rather than sitting or lying down to conserve warmth. I don’t even want to think how cold it had to get to do that, or how quickly this had to happen during a time of blooming flowers. And to not even have time to sit or lie down?
The world isn’t simply stranger than you think, it is stranger than you can think.

Posted by: Ron P. | December 9, 2009, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm

Posted by: prohb | Dec 9, 2009 7:21:36 PM
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Don’t be a fool. Every product that has come out of CRU is tainted. Every single one. The CRU was the main contributor to all the IPCC AR reports. ALL of them. And it wasn’t just two scientists. There is a very tight-knit club of peers, all reviewing each other’s work while ensuring anyone with an opposing view was kept out of the “peer reviewed literature”. Insidious and ingenious at the same time.
Please give it a rest with the “thousands of scientists”, reaching consensus, blah, blah, blah. What ClimateGate is showing us is it only takes a few people to abuse the trust granted to them to fool an unlimited amount of other people. How many of those “thousands” of scientists ever saw one line of the computer source code that manipulated and falisified temperature records? Let me answer that for you. Zero.

Posted by: Woody | December 9, 2009, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm

Actually, 2005 was the hottest year on record, and the temperatures are greater than the were during the Medieval Warming Period. The warming took place in Europe too

Posted by: Thiek | December 9, 2009, 10:21 pm 10:21 pm

The issue is these emails show the data is fudged. So the science showing global warming (Man made warming) is not valid. The actual data has not been released so other scientists can replicate the theories. In fact, this means they are not scientifically proven.
Al Gores movie exaggerated a 2″ rise in the world’s water level to be 20″ causing all sorts of crisis.
The “Hockey Stick” chart predictions from these same people have been dis-proven. So why should we make drastic changes in our lifestyle for an unproven theory?
The biggest polluter worldwide is not China nor the US. It is volcano’s.
The biggest variable controlling the earth temperature is the changing output of the Sun.
I am not saying pouring all this pollution is good, but you need to prove your theories to motivate us to change.
The CO2 pollution theory is laughable. It is an idea to justify less people being born. After all, people and animals create CO2 (After volcano’s)
Would love a real scientific review other than the whitewash report. It is embarrassing Comedy Central’s Jon Stewart had to report this before ABC, NBC and CBS.

Posted by: Steve A | December 9, 2009, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm

I am very afraid…. Every time, not most times but EVERY time the government attempts to respond to ANY crisis they screw it up worse than the problem. Why should we attempt to STOP global warming when, if we wanted to we could not start it as fast as the governments say we need to stop it. There were people ready to spread soot over the artic to stop the global cooling in the 1970′s. Now the same scientist is complaining that the world is getting warmer. Well, I guess we fixed that pesky global cooling, didn’t we? What would have happened if we had spread all that carbon black over the artic? Would the earth be a burned out cinder by now?
When scientists hide data, destroy data, and tell others to destroy data, it is not “Taken out of context.” It does not mean “Save the data” It means destroy the data. When is ABC going to really look at the e-mails AND the programming? That’s where the real crimes are.

Posted by: PhryingPhish | December 9, 2009, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm

Look, if you are saying that warming is good for the planet, you are an idiot. 75% of the Earth’s freshwater is stored in Glaciers. We are running out of water, and the more the glaciers melt, the more fresh water is going to be lost to the oceans. Hundreds of millions will suffer from dehydration. Australia is actually trying to convert salt water into freshwater right now, because they are loosing water quickly. Many countries are setting limits on how long you can take showers, like in Germany, many people only get 5 minutes to shower. At the rate that the glaciers are melting, the oceans could rise by a meter in this century. This could mean that most of Florida will be under water along with Pacific Islands, parts of California, New York and other coastlines. Hundreds of millions of people will have to move from their homes.

Posted by: Thiek | December 9, 2009, 10:40 pm 10:40 pm

. Come on ABC stop handing 50% of the real news market to Fox. Posted by: Shonuff ***************
So FOX can chew it up and spit out their fabricated
truths. No thanks, I’d rather listen to honest truth
instead of deceitful ones.

Posted by: spacerook1 | December 9, 2009, 10:50 pm 10:50 pm

Thick,
Actuall they fudged the data three times to change the hottest year from 1934 to 2005, it was 2008 for a while but they could not get anyone to believe it since they entered the Sept data in for October. So then it was 1898 but that didn’t scare any one so it was pegged at 2005.

Posted by: PhryingPhish | December 9, 2009, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm

So many people are claiming global warming is a hoax. This evening on your program you mentioned that no one seems to know why we’re not getting the warming expected at this time…what about the solar minimum? We’ve been in an extended solar minimum for the last year or so with few or no sunspot activity. The last time we had an extended solar minimum, similar to this one, Europe had no summer. Crops failed in Europe and America. It was called “The Little Ice Age”! Am I the only person who is wondering if our present, long term, solar minimum is responsible for the cooler temperatures?! As soon as the sun returns to a more active faze I’m afraid things will speed up!!!
Some one please tell me if this is worth a look?

Posted by: Euclid A. LoGiudice | December 9, 2009, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm

There isn’t really any doubt about global warming (or other environmental degradation) if you ask informed, honest observers. That ABC reports that there is still controversy, verifies the broadcast news corporate bias. ABC may not be quite as bad as Fox, but time will show that the right wing is leading us to catastrophe. ABC is complicit.

Posted by: Robert Vogel | December 9, 2009, 11:18 pm 11:18 pm

“The last time we had an extended solar minimum, similar to this one, Europe had no summer. Crops failed in Europe and America. It was called “The Little Ice Age”!” – Euclid A. LoGiudice
Dude, relax and take it easy.
No one knows the sun spot activity during the Little Ice Age.
No one knows the sun’s output during those years.
The records are kinda sketchy if you know what I mean.
It is refreshing that you seem to understand that our temperature is a direct result of the sun and CO2 isn’t a significant factor.

Posted by: Noz | December 9, 2009, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm

It’s coming true, the meek shall inherit the earth! Now they are going to inflict economic disaster on our country with environmental policy that is supported by propaganda! Want to hear God laugh? Show Him a picture of Al Gore.

Posted by: Neil Mc. | December 9, 2009, 11:23 pm 11:23 pm

Unfortunately , politics is a part of science (and was part of the ‘natural philosophy’ of earlier eras). The hacked emails do indicate some effort to interfere with the free flow of information , which is deplorable. They were written as personal communication.
The email controversy is largely politics . ‘Science’ , which is the basis for rational public policy decisions , involves the public testing and corroboration of hypotheses/theory using information and standardized tests under controlled conditions.
The Bush ['W',43] administration maintained a fairly aggressive level of research funding . Most indications are that the warming trend is continuing , and numerous tendencies toward positive (accelerating) feedback have come to light. There are countervailing trends , but the artic sea-ice and glacial melt rates indicate a cumulative effect that could become very expensive {via sea-level rise , and decreased snowmelt runnoff}.
We humans — in spite of the research performed thus far — probably have only a tenth , or even a hundredth of the information level which would constitute the basis for a risk-free decision to make an all-out commitment to eliminate all greenhouse emissions. Foe example , we only recently (post WWII) discovered the basic life-cycle of stars {like ‘the sun’} , and have yet to obtain predictive capability concerning solar output, which is the dominant consideration in the earth’s temperature. Our era is poised before a cooling trend toward another ice age , which may become ‘the problem’ in as soon as a couple hundred years , based on historic/climatic ‘records’.
The commission named after the British economist (at LSE) Nicholas Stern , estimated that more than a quarter of (world)GNP could be consumed by efforts to remedy GlobalWarming , if we refuse to act until the effects become obviously pernicious (by which time they will also be largely irreversable). Beginning to act now might enable effective countermeasures at a price on the order of .1%-1% of GNP.
Since coal burning has contaminated the world with mercury residues we would do well to clean up , or replace it. Petroleum consumption may not be sustainable , and its importation has security issues.
Investments in alternative energy are more expensive in the short term , but decrease money spent on imported fuel — or environmental remediation , in the future.

Posted by: Tom Mcinerney | December 9, 2009, 11:26 pm 11:26 pm

When you ask a math teacher “why does one plus one equal two?” he tells you. If you ask a chemist how he knows water is two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen, he tells you. They don’t say “Trust me.”
Posted by: Ron P*************************************
Funny Ron, why don’t you ask your priest or minister if there is a god? They basically say “trust me” then points to a book written and interpreted centuries ago by man.

Posted by: spacerook1 | December 9, 2009, 11:41 pm 11:41 pm

Carbon Monoxide BAD!
Carbon Dioxide is one of the building blocks for life.

Posted by: Common Sense | December 10, 2009, 12:36 am 12:36 am

This Blog Is More Accurately:
“The World Loser”
Only Liberals Allowed

Posted by: Bob Gotti | December 10, 2009, 1:26 am 1:26 am

Shame on ABC for trying to play down the biggest scientific scandal in history.
How could the “consensus” on man-caused warming be wrong?
Because a small “core” group of scientists have controlled almost all of the temperature data input for the much vaunted computer models which show future earth disaster (and much other work is based on these models).
The leaked emails are of conversations between these key (and very powerful) scientists. They show a total contempt and a willingness to kill all contrary research (such as tree ring research showing there were indeed two natural temperature fluxes in the last 1000 years greater than we are experiencing today).
One of their main arguments has always been: since the globe has never seen this rate/amount of change in the last 1000 years – the current change MUST be from an “unnatural” cause – man.
But if temps are shown to have be quite variable before mankind had an industrial level impact with CO2 – then the man-caused global warming theory becomes much weaker.
Instead of giving contrary evidence a fair hearing, this small cabal of scientists decided that they had too much invested – pride, economics and politics – to risk having to admit possible inaccuracy.
So they decided to go political – and cherry pick only the tree ring data that fit their theory AND went about belittling and repressing all science that didn’t fall in line with their AGW doctrine.

Posted by: Parker1227 | December 10, 2009, 1:48 am 1:48 am

Time and again, whenever there is a debate over what is true, the government, business and their hand picked scientific advisors can always be expected to choose whichever viewpoint is more profitable and/or provides more control over the “useless eaters”, as Henry Kissinger likes to call us common folk. For example, Obama’s science Czar, John Holdren, penned a marvelous book back in the 70′s which reads like Thomas Swift’s ‘A Modest Proposal’. Mandatory sterilization, forced abortion, and witholding of food or healthcare (sound familiar?) are all used to combat the “population crisis”. The rational for his Draconian measures? Global cooling, of course. Pollution, it seems, was blocking the sun’s rays, leading to an inevitable cooling trend. The book is Ecoscience, if you’d like to read yourself. This is the caliber of “experts” Obama is using to make his enviromental policies. The same sort of idiots nailed in the climategate story.

Posted by: h5mind | December 10, 2009, 2:05 am 2:05 am

It’s good to see a black eye on the sanctimonious and chauvinistic priesthood known as academia. It looks great on those guys.

Posted by: Kufr Akbar | December 10, 2009, 3:28 am 3:28 am

Ability will never catch up with the demand for it.
Malcolm Forbes (1919 – 1990)

Posted by: Lu Ten Po | December 10, 2009, 3:39 am 3:39 am

I was disgusted by the blatantly dishonest story you aired on global warming. Now you are running day-old copies of Fox News yellow journalism. You ran a portion of a John Stewart skit that you cut to give the exact opposite conclusion he came up with. You took out-of-context quotes from the purloined e-mails that more honest, print media outlets gave the entire context for along with the authors’ explanations. Keep up the bad work, and you’ll have to change the name of your program to “Trumped Up News Tonight.” Welcome to right-wing media.

Posted by: Kelly | December 10, 2009, 4:59 am 4:59 am

Finally ABC decides to report on this huge story 2 weeks after these emails were leaked not hacked. There were thousands not a handful. One-sided reporting will not do anymore.

Posted by: Diane | December 10, 2009, 6:24 am 6:24 am

The piece that aired last night was so slanted as to be shameful. You took a guilty-until-proven-innocent, sensationalistic approach that served no useful purpose. Peter Jennings HAS to be rolling over in the his grave, But what else can we expect from network that gives a high-profile denier, like George Will, who has been caught repeatly spewing half-truth and conspiracy theory, a regular spot on on their flagship Sunday show.
The truth is that there is so much robust evidence out there, from multiple sources, garnered by ethical researchers (sometimes in the most inhospitable places on Earth at risk to their safety) that supports the conclusion that global waring is human-caused and a serious threat.You should give the scientists equal time, at least.
Even if indiviuals discount global warming as real, there is still the completely-UNDISPUTED issue of ocean acidification, which threatens the entire oceanic ecosystem, from the bottom up. If you like eating, and for that matter breathing (the oceans generate a large potion of the oxygen we need to survive), you need to take this seriously.
Instead to giving the deniers fodder, you should be explaining to the population EXACTLY what the scientists are seeing, and what the implications are. Oh, wait, that would be journalism, something you seem to have forgotten how to do.

Posted by: Tim Kelly | December 10, 2009, 6:33 am 6:33 am

If you test for c02 while following a semi truck your readings will be high same goes for air next to a vocano and if you are a so called scientist with a particular agenda you can make the numbers match, but an intelligent crook would not put it in an e-mail.

Posted by: earl | December 10, 2009, 6:46 am 6:46 am

I seldom watch World News as it seldom gives a straight news story. But when I saw your teaser for your Global Warming Piece I decided to see if it would be an unbiased article. AS I am sure you are aware you failed miserable. I was raised in a time where news organizations provided the facts and let the public decide. That was also when scientist only put forth theories and then the facts to support them. I realize that Charles Gibson is just a Ted Baxter type anchor, but if your reporters would have checked they would have found out some of those people he call deniers are in fact scientists. You should give them the same curtsies you gave the Global Warming Scientist. Call them scientist and interview them as an opposing view. If you are going to use derogatory names, “Deniers” then do it to both sides. Call the Global Warming Scientist what they are “Truthers”
Until Such time as ABC becomes more objective in its reporting I will seldom if ever watch it. I want the facts and a straight view of what happens in the world.

Posted by: Larry | December 10, 2009, 8:54 am 8:54 am

I read in today’s New York Times (shudder) that some of the principal anthropogenic skeptics had a “side-bar” meeting in Copenhagen without substantive results. I have not read or heard anything pro or con about the flimsy United Nations Environmental Programs (UNEP) Climate Change Science Compendium 2009 report. It sure is the “smoking gun” of recent data and information manipulation by the IPCC panel. It was originally released on September 24 with the blatantly and obviously disingenuous Figure 1.3 showing deliberately structured curves to allow the authors to say “correlation between the increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide and average global temperature APPEARED
to be very strong.” The Compendium was twice withdrawn from the internet and released again on October 5 and 21 with a totally different, but equally fallacious Figure 1.3 with a single curve showing average global temperature plotted with a scale conforming to Figure 1.2 so the original statement of “correlation” was retained. Authoritative scientific findings are not base on what “APPEARED” to be the case.

Posted by: Ted Gilles | December 10, 2009, 11:35 am 11:35 am

How do you extract temperature data from tree ring records? Tree ring characteristics are determined by rainfall moisture, nutriant fertilizer, sunlight and the miniscule percent of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. How do you extract temperature data from a tree ring? Answer…. you torture the data until it tells you what you want to hear!

Posted by: abcblogger | December 10, 2009, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm

The atmosphere contains point zero three eight percent carbon dioxide. .038percent Also represented as 380parts per million. That’s like 3.8 pennies out of every million dollars.
It’s a wonder that plants can breathe at all with such a small percent of this vital gas in the atmosphere!
How then is humanity’s contribution to CO2 over the last 150 years, which is only 20ppm to 30ppm able to explain the warming trend?
Maybe Cambell Brown will ask Al Gore. I’ll bet he CAN’T give you an answer. He doesn’t know, doesn’t care and won’t debate.

Posted by: abcblogger | December 10, 2009, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm

i cant remember when abc or any other “main stream” media told the whole truth,or the whole story.start getting it right or you will lose what audiance you have left.your news is late,old,and mostly non existant.

Posted by: WILLIAM | December 10, 2009, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm

Ya know, all the AWG cultists keep denigrating any skeptical scientist by trying to link them to the oil companies. Tell me who is in a better position to make money, either way than the oil companies? They have the infrastructure to produce and distribute any type of energy that is produced.

Posted by: PhryingPhish | December 10, 2009, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm

Any press is good press for climate awareness. Obviously, change is happening. It should not matter who is causing it, or how long it will go on, rather what we can do about it now.

Posted by: lbernhard | December 10, 2009, 9:50 pm 9:50 pm

” It should not matter who is causing it, or how long it will go on, rather what we can do about it now.” – lbernhard
You’re right lbernhard, it doesn’t matter who is causing it because no one really is.
It does matter what is causing it and it is ultra-highly doubtful anything can be done about it.
In other words my rheostat for the sun output is broken and the last techie who could fix it died over a decade ago.
But I’m being a tad too negative.
I do have a possible solution for global warming but it isn’t PC correct so I won’t share it here.
Nanny nanny boo boo.
: o )

Posted by: Noz | December 10, 2009, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm

Did anyone notice how the reporter commented on this story? “Just as the govt. was about to pass legislation, this comes up” Why is the media so quick to label global warming a fact, when it is in reality, a theory, and composed of shaky science. I dont care wat they tell me, im not buying a piece of crap prius or buying those dumb reusable bags. These people think they are making a difference when they are in fact giving up their freedom.

Posted by: J.L. | December 11, 2009, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm

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