Is Amanda Knox Being Punished for Being American?
The guilty verdict came down Friday night. Amanda Knox, a twenty something American living in Italy was found guilty of murdering her British roommate. There are big questions about the evidence against Knox. Specifically the lack of DNA evidence (none of her DNA, not even a trace, was found at the scene of the murder). Some are now asking if Knox is being punished by anti American Italian jury? Here is coverage of that question from our ABC News.com piece: The verdict has set off an international debate over whether the Italian court convicted Knox without sufficient evidence. Sen. Maria Cantwell, D-Wash., said she has complained to the Italian embassy and intended bring the issue to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Clinton said she had not been presented with the case yet and Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini said no criticism had come from the U.S. State Department. The debate continued today on "Good Morning America" where reknowned criminal lawyer Ted Simon and Vanity Fair contributing editor Judy Bachrach assailed the verdict and the Italian justice system. Simon said the "lack of evidence is both compelling and profound," and that she was convicted of murder despite the fact that there was "no sweat, no salavia, no DNA of Amanda Knox" in Kercher's room. Bachrach said, "Although constitutionally, theoretically the individual is innocent until proven guilt in reality that is not the case… If you are accused you will very likely going to be convicted if it goes far enough." She said Knox "didn't have a chance" because "she is an outsider. If you are an outsider, a foreigner, you don't know a lot of famous powerful people you are sunk."
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I would tend to agree with the comments that Anti-American sentiment likely helped convict Amanda Knox and believe that the jury had already convicted her before the trial even began.
Posted by: Brian Oliver | December 7, 2009, 11:19 am 11:19 am
Amanda was only one of the three people convicted. The other two were Italian. Was that due to the anti-Italian Italian jury? What solipsistic twaddle.
Posted by: Signor Angry | December 7, 2009, 11:23 am 11:23 am
The two Italian co-defendants received as harsh or harsher sentances than she did. Doesn´t sound very anti-american to me.
Posted by: R Webster | December 7, 2009, 11:26 am 11:26 am
Italy’s trial-by-tabloid system of justice is astonishing, shameful, and a slap in the face to reasonable jurisprudence. A little due process goes a long way. Now the world sees just how backward the Italian justice system is. This is what happens when evidence is trumped by illogical hysteria. Amanda knox’s “trial” was a circus conducted by clowns.
Posted by: Doug | December 7, 2009, 11:30 am 11:30 am
Free Amanda anyone with common sence can see she not guilty
Posted by: Bernadette Culver | December 7, 2009, 11:30 am 11:30 am
in the words of Green Day:
Don’t want to be an American idiot
One nation controlled by the media
This has become ridiculous!
First of all, Amanda was one of 3 people convicted, the other 2 were Italian.
The victim was British, and her family have said to be happy that justice was served based on the evidence!
The Knoxs PR campaign have American media portraying a one-sided story. Read the European news, it’s based on facts..
The senator is losing credibility by association.
Amanda is a murderer, a convicted murderer, and all the evidence suggests that
Posted by: DanielD | December 7, 2009, 11:31 am 11:31 am
you can’t convict Solliceto w/o convicting Amanda – so it may very well be anti-American.
Posted by: Lib | December 7, 2009, 11:31 am 11:31 am
Even if it wasn’t anti-American sentiment, it certainly wasn’t the evidence. CNN has an interactive feature where you can look at the evidence. The ONLY piece tying her to the murder is a knife that doesn’t match the victim’s wounds!! Everythign else is just tied to the Guede fellow. It scares me to spend any extended amount of time in Italy, I may be thrown in jail for 2 years on no evidence, and then convicted.
Posted by: B. Anderson | December 7, 2009, 11:34 am 11:34 am
The only uinashamed nativist thing I have seen through this saga is the media’s unmitigated blindness. Most convictions are in large part cultural as are most here in the US. As pointed out aptly, the other two convicted are not Americans! Go figure!
Posted by: zazu | December 7, 2009, 11:36 am 11:36 am
Give me a break. I followed the story from the day the murder happened. Amanda doing cartwheels down the corridor when she was taken in for questioning certainly didn’t help. In an American court, the person’s actions/reactions after a crime has been committed are always fair game at trial. It also didn’t help that her DNA was at the crime scene, her roommates reported a growing rift between her and Meredith (despite Amanda’s mother saying they were best of friends), her constant story switching, and the taped conversation between Amanda and her mother where she told her mother the police were going to find out where she was. Oh yes, and then there was the computer evidence where she and her boyfriend said they were watching movies on his computer but none were found to have been downloaded and also their association with Guede. They claimed to have none but witnesses told of seeing the three of them talking the day before.
To quote a very astute poster, if Amanda wanted to be tried in America she should have murdered in America…
Posted by: trisha_law | December 7, 2009, 11:39 am 11:39 am
Dear Lib (and other people on this site boasting only single brain-cells):
The knife in question matches the DNA of the victim PRECISELY. The handle–unluckily for Knox–matches her own DNA.
If you believed you got your info from CNN (which I doubt, as they respect the evidence) you were mistaken. Otherwise, get over it. Amanda Knox looks really good (as did her victim); however, her behavior was anything but.
AM
Posted by: Alice | December 7, 2009, 11:40 am 11:40 am
It is absolutely unbelievable to read criticism of a foreign justice system from citizens of a country with death penalty still applied with so many proven errors, with a percentage of population in jail higher than in any civilized country.
This convict was not forced to live in Italy and had she been on trial in USA for the same alleged offences she would have been incurring death penalty.
Posted by: frenchreader | December 7, 2009, 11:42 am 11:42 am
It’s not anti-American. She changed her story many times. First she said she heard the victim’s scream. Then, she said she wasn’t even there when the murder happened and claimed she was at her boyfriend’s apartment.
Later, the grocer owner testified seeing her buying a lot of bleaching products at 7.30 am which was the time she claimed she was with her boyfriend. At the very moment, her boyfriend googled “how to bleach out blood stain” ….coincidence, huh???
She accused an innocent man for the murder. Luckily, he had a solid alibi. She accused the police officer slapped a back of her head and later she admitted a false statement. She spited at the cop and did a cartwheel at the police station while her boyfriend being questions.
Tell me you will find someone innocent if her DNA was found on the murder weapon just like they did in the OJ Simpson case??? Guilty is the right verdict.
Posted by: K | December 7, 2009, 11:50 am 11:50 am
Signor Angry,
Great comment. I shared your thought on another message board.
Well put
Posted by: Lady G | December 7, 2009, 11:51 am 11:51 am
The police found no fingerprints from Amanda Knox in the entire apartment, despite the fact that she lived there. You know why? Because she and Sollecito wiped the whole place clean after they murdered Meredith. They also washed the knife with bleach and took it to Sollecito’s place. Nevertheless, there was still DNA from both Meredith and Amanda on it.
Posted by: david | December 7, 2009, 11:53 am 11:53 am
Doug says: ‘ Now the world sees just how backward the Italian justice system is’
No Doug… the whole world now realizes how unbelievably arrogant Americans truly are. Its actually disgusting.
EVERYBODY! except the Americans believe she is guilty.
Its also amazing how Amanda Knox single-handidly proved how racist Americans are towards African people as well.
Do you guys have a rule in America called ‘Blame the black guy’?
Absolutely pathetic, I can’t wait until she finally admits her guilt. We will once again see Americans for what they are.
Posted by: Matt | December 7, 2009, 11:54 am 11:54 am
WOW, I am stun by this headlines, Italy and Italians love America and we send our men to the Afganistan war to support the US war, not ours.
Before bashing the Italian justice please take a look at yours, after all you let OJ free after he murder his wife and you as the biggest democratic country in the world, you still have and use the death penalty, talk about medieval justice.
PS; The American justice has send and killed innocent people as well.
Again the media in this country is showing to the rest of the world how ignorant and disrespectful this country is to other countries.
Unbelivable and sad at the same time.
Posted by: alessia | December 7, 2009, 11:55 am 11:55 am
Bachrach said, “Although constitutionally, theoretically the individual is innocent until proven guilt in reality that is not the case… If you are accused you will very likely going to be convicted if it goes far enough.” She said Knox “didn’t have a chance” because “she is an outsider. If you are an outsider, a foreigner, you don’t know a lot of famous powerful people you are sunk.”
WELL, many foreigners have tried unfairly in this country as well.
look at the Guantantanamo prisoners, 2 yrs in jail with no trial, lawyer and tortured.
Give me a break
Posted by: alessia | December 7, 2009, 11:59 am 11:59 am
Unfortunately, the ‘American press’ has successfully bought the simplified story spread by the hired PR firm, attempting to discredit the Italian justice system. Let’s hope there is some good honest investigative journalist out there who is doing the hours of homework to understand this complex case – and that he/she is able to get the press to look beyond the ‘poor little white American girl’ image which leads many to be outraged. Reading the details of the case will take much time, but then, it will be clear that there WAS justice served.
Let’s start with ‘Who cleaned the house with bleach?’, or ‘Why was there wash on the spin cycle in the cottage (including the victim’s clothes) when the police suddenly showed up (with the discarded cell phones of the victim found in a garden a 1/2 mile away) at the crime scene?’, and ‘why did a witness hear three sets of footsteps that evening, near the crime scene?’
To blame the verdict only on Anti-Americanism is ignorant, and is the kind of naive xenophobic view-point that our country needs to get over. Come on…don’t just assume we are correct. Bad things happen. Drugs don’t help. Memory is flexible, and parents will always support their child.
Our government should stay away from this mess! It will be embarrassing and add to any anti-American sentiments already in place. Have a bit of respect – AND self-respect.
Posted by: Victoria | December 7, 2009, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
For all those people who are making inane comments like “i’m afraid to go to Italy because I will be arrested and sent to jail”, I have a solution: Don’t slash a young innocent woman’s throat, and you’ll be fine.
Posted by: salvo | December 7, 2009, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
Stupid comments about anti-Americanism, This is about an ethnocentric bias by those uncultured Americans who have not read the details of the trials ,and are oblivious of the bad record that the America justice system has in regards to minorities and people who cannot afford a good defense. Unfortunately this bias has again been shown in the comments since the poor victim, in this case, was a black British citizen, while Amanda is white middle class.
Posted by: marcello maviglia | December 7, 2009, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm
frenchreader, she would be facing the death penalty in certain states in the US; in others she wouldn’t. But she certainly would be facing life in prison without the possibility of parole. Most people fail to realize that the majority of convictions are based on circumstantial evidence as opposed to real evidence. Jurors know how to connect the dots. The dots in this case led directly to Amanda and her cohorts. Get over it. She’s guilty and would be found guilty with the same evidence no matter where she was tried!
What we have here is a group of malcontents who didn’t really bother to follow the case but who want to play the role of ugly American and declare the little darling innocent “just because”.
My only regret is that she got 26 years instead of life. Some day she will get to see the sky that Meredith no longer sees, at least not on the earthly plane.
Condoms, sex toys, seven Italian lovers in the span of a month, drug-fueled sex orgies, and cartwheels down the halls of the jail. Pure as the driven snow and incapable of doing anything heinous. Oh yeah, did I already mention the burgeoning evidence?
Posted by: trisha_law | December 7, 2009, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
Amanda and Raffael admitted to smoking pot that night. Could it have been skunkweed and why weren’t they given a drug test by the police? Skunkweed can cause violent behavior, and it’s becoming more and more popular.
Posted by: Joan | December 7, 2009, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm
It wasn’t Anti-Americanism because they also convicted Italians? Do you people understand that no logic is involved in this view?
And what is your point beyond this? The evidence was insufficient to prove guilt by pretty much any standard. Are you trying to say that the problem was entirely due to Italy’s broken justice system?
I assume none of you actually have a point, and really need to start being quieter and listening more, because you have nothing to add.
Posted by: Frank | December 7, 2009, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm
I have been a professional male model for over 10 years and I think this article is shameful. This just feeds into a sentiment that is too easily adopted by the unthinking masses – that America is flawless and other countries are out to get us. It’s absurd. The evidence was there, and she was convicted.
Posted by: Martin Blank | December 7, 2009, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm
If the other two can be tied to this murder, than she must be connected as well.
Amanda may not have actually participated in the girl’s death. Sounds as if she was the audience (a passive participant).
*She gave the name of her ex? boss as the murderer. *She was friends with that other guy who was convicted. He was a shady character. Read about his history. *Supposedly, when she returned to her apartment, she did not notice anything out of the ordinary. She did not notice that her friend’s body was sprawled on that bedroom floor. She did not notice the blood that was on the bathroom doorknob. She actually took a shower. *She was seen early the next morning buying household cleaning products. Not unusual in itself, but mighty curious now that we know what happened the night before.
Are Amanda’s lawyers saying that it was the two men who did this, but not Amanda? She somehow got involved with two murderers, but she was the innocent victim as well? This girl was wordly; as they use to say: she’s been around the block a time or two.
She knew what was what. It was nobody’s business until her roommate was murdered.
It’s not likely that she could have missed it all.
Posted by: ddg | December 7, 2009, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm
If she is so “not guilty” then why did she lie about where she was that night? And why did she lie to try to blame her employer for the murder?
If she were really innocent, she’s stick to her story and never waiver.
Posted by: klingsor | December 7, 2009, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm
Clearly Amanda Knox is innocent and is a victim of the Anti-American sentiment. I hope she gets brought back to the US before Christmas.
Posted by: Anti Italian | December 7, 2009, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
oh I see, now shes just a poor american girl punished for being american? what a lame excuse, maybe you should try finding some other people to blame for the murder just as she did. Surely the other two were convicted for being Italian and african.
Posted by: Angie | December 7, 2009, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm
To those people who have posted that America has one of the worst judicial systems in the world, which is plagued by error and prejudice, you are so wrote. I am an American, seeking his doctoral degree in Criminology and Criminal Justice, and I am appalled by the American Criminal Justice System. I am also incensed by America choosing to hold people in Guantanamo Bay for years without trial.
With that said, this cases isn’t about the failure of America’s system. This case is about the conviction of Knox and Sollecito based on the evidence presented in court. The problem there is that there was not enough evidence to convict EITHER of them and that’s why BOTH should be set free.
Posted by: Brian Oliver | December 7, 2009, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm
Poor American treated unfairly??
Amercia treats the world in general unfairly including our own people. Because if ou are non-white and non christian..watch out. Amanada Knox is white and pretty and therefore receives pity. I am sorry for her family and friends who love her and can not imagine she could have murdered someone. But she has been found guilty. And there are other sides to people you never know. Her unfeeling actions in the aftermath of a hideous murder sent her down the road of high scrutiny.
Posted by: Carol Khalef | December 7, 2009, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
As a pro-American Brit, this is really beginning to question my loyalty to our cousins across the pond.
If Amanda was able to provide a consistent story or even an alibi for where she was at the time of the murder, then she might be in the clear.
There are so many other pieces of evidence that point to her guilt, even without the DNA evidence.
When Knox was about to be accused she blamed it on an innocent father, and defamed him.
The Knox parents then defamed the Perugia Police, claiming they beat her up, an accusation which was withdrawn by the defence team.
And when the verdict didn’t go their way they have now defamed the Italian justice system, the people of Perugia and, indeed, the whole of Italy.
I am beginning to think that it is not the world that is anti-American.
It is America which is anti the rest of the world.
Italians are dying to support your war on terror.
Shame on you.
Posted by: Peter | December 7, 2009, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
Don’t have the messenger.
They did what they had to do.
Posted by: I like Italy | December 7, 2009, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
I have lost any credibility from ABC now, I am very sad to how this country think they are above anyone else when everyone knows that you have more flaws in your own system than anybody else.
Just the fact that you have Americans who cant stand the fact that their own President is black, that said a lot about this country true values.
Amanda is guilty, she lied, manipulate and accuse someone else.
If she was/is INNOCENT like she proclaimed why did she LIE and changed her story over and over again?
WHY?
Posted by: alessia | December 7, 2009, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm
I’m a male model and I think the PR people that were hired by the Knox family have done a tremendous job. They were able to get the masses to fall in line with their support for Amanda, however, I would have expected the American media to be a tad more upfront about all the evidence that exists against Amanda Knox.
Posted by: Martin Blank | December 7, 2009, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
Are we supporting a killer? We need to learn more about the case before come to conclusion that she is innocent. It already sounds shamful when she practises those sex games. Think about the British innocent girl got murder. She could be against Amanda’s evil game and that’s why she got killed. Careful on picking your roomate, Where they work and who are their boyfriends.
Posted by: becareful | December 7, 2009, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
I have been a professional male model most my adult life and a lot of people you speak to in the American legal system will tell you that TV shows like CSI have warped the minds of most Americans. All you have to do is tell them the DNA evidence is weak, and they all start foaming at the mouth about innocence. We, as Americans, are turning more and more into simpletons that can’t grasp anything beyond what the TV provides us. Juries just sit around waiting to hear about DNA, and if it isn’t presented CSI style, it’s not enough….such a sad commentary.
Posted by: Martin Blank | December 7, 2009, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm
Amanda isn’t being punished for being American. Italians love Americans.
Amanda and the other two defendants are being punished for committing a murder. She was tried and convicted of a jury that wasn’t her parents. The jury reviewed the evidence and Amanda’s ever changing account of the events.
Unfortunately, you’ll never get a balanced account from reading or watching the American press, which seems much more concerned about what Amanda’s parents think than the facts of a trial. Amanda’s parents started with the assumption that Amanda was innocent, and that Italy and it’s justice system was the entity on trial.
Somehow, Amanda’s parents have managed to cast Amanda as the victim, instead of Meredith Kercher (the girl who was slain).
Posted by: Marcus | December 7, 2009, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
Who’s Amanda? Is she innocent? I can give you the first answer: Amanda is a sex addict, playing evil sex games, her boyfriends is a murderer. Is she innocent? remember: The murder was carried out since Amanda’s evil sex games were not as her plan. Please use your brain, don’t use publicity…
Posted by: becareful | December 7, 2009, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm
Peter, please read some of the comments. I think she was probably a passive participant – that’s why no dna.
She could not have missed the point that her friend (not her boyfriend but the other guy) was a shady character.
She could not have missed her roommate’s bloody body. She could not have missed the blood on the bathroom doorknob.
She would not have tried to cover up her story by offering her boss’ name as the murderer. She said they were watching a movie on her boyfriend’s computer, but yet, there was no movie found. There’s a litany of evidence – from her behavior to her lies, and to a mountain-full of contradictions regarding her alibi.
That’s why America should not dislike the messenger – the Italian jury.
They did what they had to do.
Posted by: ddg | December 7, 2009, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm
Forensics do not place Amanda Knox at the scene of the crime, period. To counter this the prosecution suggested that Knox bleached the crime scene, however, it is not possible for Knox to bleach ALL of her own DNA from the apartment, yet leave the DNA of Rudy Guede EVERYWHERE.
Also, the theories of Knox and Sollecito buying bleach the next day, the police having receipts for the purchase in their possession, or the bleach coming from Sollecito’s apartment were not used in court as THEY WERE MADE UP accusations fed to the media (before trial) that could not be used in court! If the prosecution had this evidence why didn’t they submit it during the trial? I find it very disturbing to say the least that the prosecution found it necessary to falsify information like that about this case.
Posted by: Not Buying It | December 7, 2009, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm
Matt wrote: “[T]he whole world now realizes how unbelievably arrogant Americans truly are. Its actually disgusting. EVERYBODY! except the Americans believe she is guilty.”
Let me explain my previous post. The Italian criminal justice system is dramatically inferior to that in the US.
For example, in the the US, jurors are common citizens like the defendant, and are chosen by the prosecution and the defense. They are then sequestered and ordered not to read the media accounts about the case throughout the entire trial. That way, their unanimous verdict is based only on evidence produced at trial, not some trashy tabloid.
Also, once arrested, a suspect is not questioned without an attorney unless they agree to be questioned. This stops over-zealous police from confusing and scaring innocent people into making contradictory or falsely incriminating statements.
In the US, Criminal defendants have a right to a speedy trial. What kind of “court” only meets on the weekends?
Again, a little due process goes a long way. Sure in the US, guilty people can go free, but that is the price we accept for the delicate balance wrought by a system based on due process.
And lastly, what does “racism” have to do with this? That is a red herring illustrating an inability to reasonably analyze the serious issues presented here. And by the way, if Americans are such racists, why did we elect President Obama?
Posted by: Doug | December 7, 2009, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm
Tim, I did read that synopsis; it was detailed.
They probably deleted it because of the simple fact that it was too long.
That’s been my experience with the newser.
Posted by: ddg | December 7, 2009, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm
Knox’s family would be advised to show
some respect for the process even if
they don’t agree with it. Trying to plead
her case to people and then calling them
every name in the book can’t be helpful.
Posted by: wis134 | December 7, 2009, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm
As an American, I feel shameful for Amanda of practicing those evil sex games. I also feel shameful since we all just based on publicity from one side and forgot about the Death of an innocent student and the suffer of a family who lost their little girl. Talking about boycutt Italian products or don’t travel to Italy… Please put yourself on others shoes and learn more. Don’t be such a narrow minded that’s not American.
Posted by: Over reacting | December 7, 2009, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm
DOUG, people elected OBAMA becasue he is a democrat and this country was fed up with the republican party and the fake info about the war in iraq.
Again, if Amanda was/is INNOCENT, why all those lies and changing her story?
Why did she accuse somebody else?
WHY WHY WHY?
PS; the jury let OJ free and that says a lot about the US system.
Posted by: alessia | December 7, 2009, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm
Anti-americanism is B.S
It seems to me that she is guilty.
Why on earth would she lie and frame other innocent human being (black)?
Yeah, she is guilty.
Posted by: Ki Kwon | December 7, 2009, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
ABC is the new Fox News, fair and balanced.
LOL
Posted by: alessia | December 7, 2009, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm
She was guilty of murder. Wake up, people.
Posted by: Ben | December 7, 2009, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm
Passive participant? They claim she was the one that slit Kercher’s throat. It makes no sense that there is no physical evidence putting Knox at the scene, when there is evidence of Guede everywhere. The main evidence that I can seem to find against her has to do with her confused accounts of that night. It makes no sense that a “cold blooded killer” would not have created an alibi with her boyfriend that was consistent in the three days before they were questioned. It does make sense that a couple, who admit to smoking pot, would be confused several days later of the exact time they did what. And it does make sense they’d turn their phones off that evening if their plans for the night were to smoke pot and have sex, which does not make someone a killer.
Posted by: Anne | December 7, 2009, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm
I think the Italians got it right. I think Amanda put Guede on Meredith to rape her and put her in a tailspin so she would leave Perugia. (Meredith was in line for Amanda’s job at Patrick’s bar, and was also getting a lot of attention for her good looks.) Twenty-six years is a pretty light sentence for killing someone. I think the jury imposed the light sentence out of some doubt as to what really happened.
Posted by: david r | December 7, 2009, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm
The emotional reactions to this verdict have been divisive, to say the least. Both sides are largely buying into their media for one reason: they have no choice. Not many of us were in Perugia when the murder happened.
I do wonder, can’t Americans, who are undoubtedly and unfairly the world’s most hated peoples, even consider the possibility of anti-Americanism, which is rampant abroad, within her own borders, and on comment sites like this, without inciting the very anti-Americanism they’re considering?
I mean, Amanda is definitely not an American sweetheart. She’s a weird, shady, even creepy girl (really, cartwheels?) but what does her being white have anything to do with it? I’m not saying it doesn’t, but that seems irrelevant. Her boyfriend is creepy, too. Their making out at the crime scene is seared into my brain.
Prosecutor Mignini too comes off as villainous. His theory sounds like the fevered nightmares of a witch-hunter and in some of the videos he might as well be twirling a moustache. Especially in light of the fact that he himself is facing corruption charges. And is it really so hard to believe Amanda’s interrogation could have been brutal? The psychological effects of murder interrogations alone, in America and Italy alike, can alter the truth.
Maybe this is a case where everybody involved (except Amanda’s family) knows without a doubt that she and the other two are guilty and they did whatever they could to seal her fate, regardless of the evidence. (If I could have done that with O.J. I would have.)
Why doesn’t the knife with Amanda and Meredith’s DNA (read: not blood) match the bloody-knife outline on the sheets? And why wouldn’t they bleach clean that, too? How could that woman really hear three sets of footsteps (48 Hours Mystery on CBS did an experiment in the same building and a regular person clearly could not have heard three distinct sets)? And not sequestering a jury? In today’s media world this is beyond irresponsible, it’s insane.
And isn’t it strange that Guede always maintained Amanda was not there? And when Raffaele made his last statement to the jury, asking for his life back, did anybody else get the impression that he knew something? I felt like he had somebody in mind when he said he hoped the true perpetrator would come forward. Guede? Amanda?
I agree with a previous poster. I hope there is an extremely bright, diligent, and partial team of journalists thoroughly investigating this heinous crime and this suspect trial. But no matter what side you knee-jerk to, we all want to know what happened and we all want true justice for Meredith.
Posted by: puzzled.daily | December 7, 2009, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
Reading comments from the “free Amanda” side, it is obvious most of these people do not have all the facts, nor do they wish to. When confronted with evidence that makes Amanda look bad, it is skipped or glossed over. The parents have made it their mission to harp on the Anti-American bias, when as it has been pointed out repeatedly that the two male partners in crime are from Italy. Sollecito’s father is a wealthy Italian doctor, his sister, Vanessa was a Lieutenant in the Carabinieri until she was fired after a wiretap proved she was trying to get politicians to have her brother’s case dismissed. Guede is described as a black drifter from the Ivory Coast, but he actually immigrated to Italy with his family when he was four.
Bashing the Italian legal system is going to backfire on Amanda’s supporters. I hope that after the various appeals have been exhausted, Amanda’s prison sentence is upgraded to life, not the 26 years she is serving currently. As others have pointed out, if Amanda had been found “not guilty”, her parents, Curtis Knox and Edda Mellas, would be on talk shows all over America, raving about Italy’s justice system, while also giving notice of their intention to sue for damages for the “false imprisonment” of their precious daughter. It would appear that Amanda’s parents have all given up their jobs and are living off donations from the Amanda Defense Fund, using donated airline points to travel overseas, etc. Rest assured that Amanda’s family has already solicited offers for books and a movie, but is is my hope that all proceeds are confiscated and given to the Kercher family….every penny.
Posted by: Sue (Canada) | December 7, 2009, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
The Knife: Skin cell DNA, not blood, and in such a small amount as to not be able to retest, and not to specifically tie it to only Kercher. The knife was Solecitto’s, in his flat. Amanda used the knife. Nothing shocking there.
The confession: Gained after 40 hours of interrogation, during which she was shown crimes scene photos and asked to “imagine” what she would have seen had she been there.
Meredith Kercher’s room: The actual crime scene. No forensic evidence whatsoever of Knox or Solecitto was found in a room covered in blood where a brutal sex murder took place. Rudy Guede’s DNA, fingerprints, saliva, even his feces in the apartment’s toilet were found.
The Knife: Doesn’t match the cuts on Kerchner’s body, not the bloody imprint of the murder weapon left on the sheet in Kerchner’s room.
The Shoe print: doesn’t match the brand of shoe Solecitto wears, but an empty shoe box found at Guede’s apartment does.
The Footprint: Impossible to match to Solecitto… he has a hammer toe, the footprint does not.
The Prosecutor: Already facing trial for misconduct in an unrelated case.
This kind of conviction happens in the US too when overzealous prosecutors shoehorn their scenario to fit the evidence of the crime. While not an indictment of the Italian justice system, the official’s in this case have a lot to answer for.
Posted by: Dave | December 7, 2009, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
I don’t know if she is guilty or innocent, no one here knows, and neither do her friends and family. We all hope it is not so, but none of us were there.
The defense’s role is to cast doubt wherever possible, same as here. The prosecutor’s role is to work for a conviction: just like here. Jurors fall asleep here, and witnesses also lie here. Expert witness on either side make up wonderful scenarios to bolster their side of the case: just like here.
There was forensic evidence linking her to the murder. Defense does not think it was enough: it was sufficient to convince a jury. Blame her defense team.
My 21 year old son was murdered by a boy who just turned 18. The Caldellis family spent over $1 million on defense, had private detectives harrassing witnesses. Jury spent about four hours deliberating after a 5 week trial. Their family is still in denial, even after appelate court upheld Murder 1 conviction.
The real victim in this case is Meredith Kercher. She wan’t doing anything wrong or illegal, yet she had her throat slit and was sexually abused. How many times is she listed in this thread? My condolences to her family and friends, who have not hired PR handlers, by the way.
Having been through a lengthy murder trial, don’t ever be under the illusion that our system is superior to anything else on the planet.
Saying her conviction is due to anti-Americanism is US marketing spin at its worst.
Posted by: Dan Clements | December 7, 2009, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
The facts in the case, are a bit bizarre, and I would have had to hear the evidence, before making any judgement.
Those who did hear the evidence, seem to have believed in that evidence.
Posted by: Rick McDaniel | December 7, 2009, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
Another thing that I find quite disturbing is this:
“While in prison awaiting trial, Knox was told she was HIV positive and asked to give a list of names of her partners. This list of seven men was then used as evidence against her in court, evidence that she was wild and uncouth. Evidence that she was unconscionably manipulative, a man-eater who sleeps around and is incapable of understanding remorse. This kind of shaming would never stand in an American court, but in Italy it worked: the narrative the press had run with about her coquettish behavior seemed to be confirmed by this “long” list of partners. And of course, as it turns out, she was never HIV positive.”
Posted by: Not Buying It | December 7, 2009, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm
The emotional reactions to this verdict have been divisive, to say the least. Both sides are largely buying into their media for one reason: they have no choice. Not many of us were in Perugia when the murder happened.
I do wonder, can’t Americans, who are undoubtedly and unfairly the world’s most hated peoples, even consider the possibility of anti-Americanism, which is rampant abroad, within her own borders, and on comment sites like this, without inciting the very anti-Americanism they’re considering?
I mean, Amanda is definitely not an American sweetheart. She’s a weird, shady, even creepy girl (really, cartwheels?) but what does her being white have anything to do with it? I’m not saying it doesn’t, but that seems irrelevant. Her boyfriend is creepy, too. Their making out at the crime scene is seared into my brain.
Prosecutor Mignini too comes off as villainous. His theory sounds like the fevered nightmares of a witch-hunter and in some of the videos he might as well be twirling a moustache. Especially in light of the fact that he himself is facing corruption charges. And is it really so hard to believe Amanda’s interrogation could have been brutal? The psychological effects of murder interrogations alone, in America and Italy alike, can alter the truth.
Maybe this is a case where everybody involved (except Amanda’s family) knows without a doubt that she and the other two are guilty and they did whatever they could to seal her fate, regardless of the evidence. (If I could have done that with O.J. I would have.)
Posted by: puzzled.daily | December 7, 2009, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm
Why doesn’t the knife with Amanda and Meredith’s DNA (read: not blood) match the bloody-knife outline on the sheets? And why wouldn’t they bleach clean that, too? How could that woman really hear three sets of footsteps (48 Hours Mystery on CBS did an experiment in the same building and a regular person clearly could not have heard three distinct sets)? And not sequestering a jury? In today’s media world this is beyond irresponsible, it’s insane.
And isn’t it strange that Guede always maintained Amanda was not there? And when Raffaele made his last statement to the jury, asking for his life back, did anybody else get the impression that he knew something? I felt like he had somebody in mind when he said he hoped the true perpetrator would come forward. Guede? Amanda?
I agree with a previous poster. I hope there is an extremely bright, diligent, and partial team of journalists thoroughly investigating this heinous crime and this suspect trial. But no matter what side you knee-jerk to, we all want to know what happened and we all want true justice for Meredith.
Posted by: puzzled.daily | December 7, 2009, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm
They drilled her all day without a lawyer for a confession.
Give me a break
what kind a justice system do they have.
the jury already convicted before the trial began.
Posted by: james | December 7, 2009, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
I am glad thatthe US girl in Italy got convicted. If she was in this country, she would have walked. And they keep saying the US has the best judicial system. What a joke. Let me get this straight, the US has as the worse education system, they have the worse health care system but they want us to believe that they have the best judicial system. What a joke.
Posted by: alessia | December 7, 2009, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm
James, I was drilled after I witnessed a accident all day long without a lawyer in this country as well.
The jury did NOT convicted her before, only after.
Posted by: alessia | December 7, 2009, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
Let’s not forget one very important fact. Sollecito still maintained he couldn’t remember if Amanda was even with him all night. If that’s not a blown alibi I don’t know what is. The two defendants can’t even agree what they did that night and they’re supposed to be each others alibi!
Posted by: Michael | December 7, 2009, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm
I AM BRITISH AND MY HEART IS BREAKING FOR THIS GIRL MANDA KNOX THE POLICE HAVE MADE UP THE STORY.
Posted by: lIZ | December 7, 2009, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
The reaction in America has been absolutely disgusting. The media is lying to you. I’ve watched and read a lot of reports coming out of the US since the verdict and they are lying to you!
They fail to mention Lumumba, or the bloody footprints, or the computer experts that showed their version of events that night to be a complete fabrication, or as I’ve said already, the fact that Sollecito isn’t even giving his co-accused an alibi when she says she was with him all night!
Italy is going mad about America’s reaction to the verdict – and so they should. ONLY IN AMERICA! Check out this article:
Posted by: Michael | December 7, 2009, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm
One has only to read through these comments to understand the hate and disinformation surrounding this case. It’s nauseating that so many of the comments are verbatim what’s being posted on other Websites that discuss this topic.
Posted by: Regina | December 7, 2009, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm
- DNA evidence on the knife
- Tried to blame it on another man by lying to police
- Danced her way into court (literally)
- Changed her story at every stage
- 2 out of the 3 were not American
If she wasnt an American I doubt this story would even be covered in the US. Italian courts have been established long before American was even discovered.
Guilty.
Posted by: Brian | December 7, 2009, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
I wonder how Meredith’s family must feel at the reaction in the US and the support for someone who is now a convicted murderer! I can’t believe a senator got involved. I hope Clinton takes one look at the case and says: “You think she’s innocent! Give your head a shake!”. Not sure if you use the give your head a shake line in the US but you know what I mean!
Posted by: Michael | December 7, 2009, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
Here’s the most bizarre thing I’ve read yet!!
Knox has won a short story competition in prison. Her story was about a woman injured during a drugs-fuelled sex party!
Is there any end to this woman’s bizarre behaviour!
Posted by: Michael | December 7, 2009, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
The wench is guilty, she lied when she said she couldn’t remember because she was stoned. Ask any stoner, nobody would forget what flavor of pop they drank while stoned let alone a blood soaked apartment and how it got that way. She’s a liar and this issue being in the media is more about the CIA morons that were convicted in Italy recently than with this womans guilt. She was convicted, get over it, she got off light and easy.
Posted by: Piggy | December 7, 2009, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
I have absolutely no doubt of her absolute innocence.
So WHAT if she was doing cartwheels at the police station?!? How mature were you at 18? Being innocent, (and naive) she had no idea she was about to be interrogated and was completely railroaded during what the police at first innocently said was to ask her a few follow up questions. Not berated in a 12 hour interrogation complete with leading questions from the interpreter. Did any of you actually watch the Knox statement of what happened?
Think about it, if she and Sollicito were the murderers, do you think they would be acting so flippant at the police station? No, they were acting that way because they naively thought that since they were innocent they weren’t in jeopardy of being accused. Tactless perhaps for acting as such in the wake of her roommates murder, but she was still in a state of emotional high experiencing the freedom of being in an exotic foreign land and the freedom that college; in love with a new boyfriend and experiencing the often clueless exuberance of youth.
But does that make her a murderer? No. I remember when I was 18 I was rather dense as well as to the proper ways to act in certain situations. But if I had murdered someone I sure as hell would NOT have been doing cartwheels at the police station. For those at least in their 30′s, do any of you remember how ‘clueless’ you were as well when you were an 18 year old finally living on your own in college? You might have legally been an adult, but maturity and worldly experience wise we were still in diapers.
And to all you haters, the ONLY DNA from Knox was NOT at the crime scene but found on a knife at her bf’s home. A knife that was demonstrated as NOT being the knife used on Kercher.
And if they both had wiped down the crime scene with bleach, as some hater here has claimed, then why was Guede’s DNA found everywhere? Do you claim they have supernatural powers that enabled them to discern and clean only THEIR DNA and not Guede’s after a drug fueled Satanic orgy that the fantasist prosecutor had claimed?
Get real haters.
Posted by: She is innocent ... | December 7, 2009, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm
Have you read the email that Knox sent to friends and family just two days’ after the murder?
There is no mention of being badly treated by police.
Neither is there any mention of Meredith, in terms of her being a victim. In fact, the email reads as though Knox is the victim.
She talks about losing a month’s rent as something that “sucks”.
I think getting raped and murdered must “suck” a b it more.
Read it. And ask yourself why you would give an over-explanation within 48hours about matters which the police would later find to be inconsistent in your story.
She emailed this. But later, with lawyers present, she admitted to being in the house while Meredith was murdered.
WHo needs DNA evidence?
see
Posted by: Peter | December 7, 2009, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm
Ah, the CSI fans continue to respond w/ nonsense. Stick to watching television, you’re polluted minds are doing nobody any good in this debate.
Posted by: Martin Blank | December 7, 2009, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
Michael, yes, I’ve heard of all 3 of those things from American sources. By computer experts, do you mean the prosecution’s computer animated depiction of the night of the murder during the trial? Where he decided to edit the time of the murder to better fit his story? Why should I be more willing to trust that information than international news sources that have been widely accused of slandering Knox’s reputation?
Posted by: Anne | December 7, 2009, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
We don’t know if Amanda slit the girl’s throat. Who testified to that?
Was there direct evidence that points to that conclusion?
It is my opinion that Amanda willingly participated in the murder by watching it take place. She allowed it to happen.
By calling her a passive participant, I by no means suggested that she was innocent.
Looking at the evidence that was presented in court, the Italian jury got it right. Amanda is guilty.
Somebody said we elected OBAMA, therefore, we are not racist. This really doesn’t have anything to do with this case.
Another writer then said something about BUSH. That doesn’t have anything to do with this case either.
Americans, for the most part, have nothing against Italy. They believed Amanda was innocent, and they became protective. That’s it.
So, Buone Feste!
Posted by: ddg | December 7, 2009, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm
The reality is, under the Italian judicial system Amanda could be eligible for day release in 13 years.
Had she commited the crime in the US she could have face a far worse sentence, possibility even the death penalty, though in fairness, being a white female, that would probably be unlikely.
Posted by: chill | December 7, 2009, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm
I fully believe Knox is guilty, and I believe she got a fair trial.
I am somewhat surprised (although I shouldn’t be perhaps) at all of the misguided, sloppy sympathy she is getting in the American “mainstream” press.
It is both lame and sad, and even inanely provincial.
My sympathy lies with the Kercher family, nearly totally.
The very best to them.
Posted by: JZBlueDog | December 7, 2009, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm
I have a feeling that this case is actually just starting. Once American investagtors start going over the case we may see a whole different opinion as to what the Italians are saying. They couldn’t convict Amanda Knox without convicting her ex-boyfriend. With lack of physical evidence her case would most likely not have even went to court here in the US. On the other hand there is a lot of anti-American hatred around the world, especially in Europe. The motive the prosecutor spun for the press is very hard for me to swallow.
Posted by: Gary | December 7, 2009, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm
America…!! Please boycott Italy… It makes visiting Italy a far more attractive prospect.
Posted by: Nick | December 7, 2009, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm
I’m “satisfied” that the verdict was correct. Nobody should be “GLAD” that she was convicted. There’s a difference.
There’s a lot of accusations about the Italian police regarding their actions.
It may or may not be true.
According to all of the information presented in court, the jury was satisfied that she was indeed guilty of taking part in this murder. They really cannot point to her specific actions. They say they can, but really they cannot. She participated in some fashion. Therefore, she is guilty.
Posted by: ddg | December 7, 2009, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm
A unfair trial YES you need money to get a trial in italia no money no trial! solution do no ever go to that backward country nor by anything made in that old land.
Posted by: dennis maher | December 7, 2009, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
A unfair trial YES you need money to get a trial in italia no money no trial! solution do no ever go to that backward country nor by anything made in that old land.
Posted by: dennis maher | December 7, 2009, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
A unfair trial YES you need money to get a trial in italia no money no trial! solution do no ever go to that backward country nor by anything made in that old land.
Posted by: dennis maher | December 7, 2009, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
Is it not ironic and circular to declare how much you dislike Americans, but then claim there is no way that came into play here? And then go onto claim that Americans are too ignorant and arrogant to realize this, once again stating your dislike?
Posted by: Pete | December 7, 2009, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm
Ah, we shouldn’t forget about her “rape” story on Myspace that preceded the murder. The girl was “off” and when you combine that with the overwhelming evidence – it’s easy to see the right decision was made (hopefully).
Posted by: Martin Blank | December 7, 2009, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
Really… poor Amanda found guilty by the bad Italians hu? What about the case of Chicco Forti, an Italian fund guilty of murder in Florida with MUCH LESS evidences of what the Italian DA had on Amanda? What was that? Chicco has been in jail for 10 years, and no APPEAL was granted to him.
Posted by: I8stupidfolks | December 7, 2009, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
when in a foreign county you are subject to thier laws. When in a foreign country one should abide by its rules. There also is something to be said for some decorum, sanity, and morality here. What is with the sex games, drinking, drugs, and almost occult-like weirdness? Even if Amanda didn’t kill the victim there was apparent involvement. Hence she was convicted and she be happy, frankly, that she will be serving time in a European jail. If she did the same crime in the US, say in Texas, she would be serving MUCH longer time and in much harsher conditions.
ps: I think she can still appeal to EU courts since EU has taken over much control over countries recently. So she shouldn’t complain.
Posted by: Ed | December 7, 2009, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm
First, the knife does not match the wounds on the victim. They believe glass and/or a pen caused the wounds.
Second, even if Amanda’s DNA was on the handle, so what? It was a knife from her own apartment! She probably used it to cook with. That applies to the victim as well… she probably used it for cooking. This is not a surprise. What they needed to do was show it was the murder weapon… which they did not.
Last, it is pretty clear, based on the physical evidence that exists, what really happened the night Meredith died. It was a simple sexual assault case. Rudy Guede sexually assalted Meredith, killed her, and fled. His DNA is all over her, the room, her bathroom, and he has no idea why he fled after it happened. The physical evidence and the fact that Suede hardly knew Amanda and her bf clearly shows he did it alone. I don’t know why the Italian authorities insist that it had to be some crazy sex game.
Posted by: Jvd4486 | December 7, 2009, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm
I’m American, and I’m ashamed by the arrogance being shown here in the U.S. What an insult to the people of Italy to assume the court in Perugia was overpowered by tabloid coverage, and deliberated merely to show dislike. There are many Americans who are not part of this backlash. We think the court made the right decision; we believe Senator Cantwell spoke inappropriately; and we certainly don’t want Secretary Clinton to involve herself.
The American media did not cover this case well. Many people are responding to sound bytes, and have no familiarity with the transcripts of the trial. It is, of course, distressing (and perhaps impossible) for Amanda’s family to see their daughter in this light. I think they had counted on recovering financial losses with the book deals and appearances from a “not guilty” verdict. But now, their anger, and their natural need to be in denial, has, with the aid of their hired PR machine, swept along viewers and journalists alike, who do not know the entirety of the evidence.
There are plenty of Americans who are grateful to the Italian court for having the courage to do the right thing. Plenty of us believe Amanda is where she belongs; we may be less vocal because we see no wrong here that needs to be protested. I am sorry for the arrogance being shown in the U.S. It is not representative of us all.
Posted by: JTL5 | December 7, 2009, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
NICK, you right, let’s all go to China, after all we own them billions of $.
LOL
Posted by: alessia | December 7, 2009, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm
I agree with those who have observed that the American media has bought the Knox family PR machine angle — hook, line, and sinker. When you read papers outside the U.S., details of evidence are reported that Americans are not getting.
How many journalists and legal news consultants in the American media have read the court transcripts? (In the original language?)
I suppose, in this time of economic hard times, news outlets know a money-making story. If they side with the sweet-faced American girl all alone overseas, and play on our sympathy, how… lucrative.
I’m a U.C. citizen, and I think the American news media should be placed on trial.
Posted by: HBernton | December 7, 2009, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
I’m a male model and I am 99% certain that if this happened in Seattle, and both girls were American, that 99% of people in this country would believe there was plenty of evidence based solely on all her lies, false alibis, accusing innocents, and rape fantasy stories on Myspace.
Since the victim was from the UK though, and her parents have hired a PR firm, everyone is turning this into an “us vs. them” case.
Posted by: Martin Blank | December 7, 2009, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
Amanda is a victim of media slander, plain and simple. The killer even said she was not there. Anyone, espaecialy a teenager, can be tricked into saying something she regrets after 14 hours of mind-bending torture.
Posted by: jim san diego | December 7, 2009, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm
No Anne, not those experts. The ones that showed there was no activity on Rafaelle’s computer between the hours of 9pm and 6am. They claimed to have slept in until 10am. Their phones were switched off and back on around the same time. Phone records show this was not normal behaviour and unique to this night.
You’d rather trust the US media that’s been peddling absolute lies about the case. Or rather, choosing to omit any evidence that’s damning to the Knox cause. I pity anyone that’s making their decision based on that.
Posted by: Michael | December 7, 2009, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
Well said HBernton and Martin Blank.
Even one guest on US TV admittted as much, that if this had happened in the US they would have been convicted and even listed a very similar case.
Posted by: Michael | December 7, 2009, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
To cite from your article:
“Specifically the lack of DNA evidence (none of her DNA, not even a trace, was found at the scene of the murder)”
Her DNA was found on the handle of the murder weapon (with her victim’s at the top). Indeed, there was only a small amount, and they needed a special technique to identify it. But they did, 3 experts, including a university professor testified at length that this technique was quite reliable. There was a lot more physical evidence as well. Maybe some facts would help before writing these articles?
Posted by: Val | December 7, 2009, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
Sorry to break this to you jim san diego but she accused Lumumba after three hours, not 14. She let him rot in jail knowing he was innocent. I believe I read recently as well, although correct me if I’m wrong that Edda Mellas knew he was innocent as well but did nothing to correct Amanda’s accusation. It was up to the police to prove he was innocent.
Some claim that it was a witch-hunt from the point they’d claimed it was case closed. Well, when they realised Lumumba was innocent they set him free. They weren’t trying to save face, they just didn’t have anything on him. They did on Amanda and Rafelle.
Posted by: Michael | December 7, 2009, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm
The PR machine is doing their job perfectly. All you need to do, ALL YOU NEED TO DO, is mention the DNA evidence isn’t strong and all the CSI devotees will line up to call for her innocence.
They’re completely willing to ignore all the other evidence – DNA is the buzz word and it’s all people can focus on.
Posted by: Martin Blank | December 7, 2009, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm
to signor angry. there was DNA evidence in the murder site for both men. the evidence from Amanda was in the knife found in her bf apartment which was never proven, beyond reasonable doubt to have been in the murder site. the bf had dna on the bra clasp of the murdered woman, found at the murder site. what is amanda guilty of, er, being stupid. now maybe she has some italian blood in her that made her stupid….
Posted by: bob fernandez | December 7, 2009, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm
While it’s true that there have been some discrepancies in Amanda’s testimony I think it’s important that you consider a few things.
1. She was interrogated in Italian without a translator
2. She was not given a lawyer
3. She was not told that she had gone from being a witness to a suspect
Further, the knife that had her DNA on it and Kercher’s does not match the wounds inflicted on Kercher’s body.
While Amanda may not be innocent in this, there is no evidence to link her to the crime that is not circumstantial (she bought cleaning supplies the night before…so did I. Am I guilty to?). The Italian justice system – like the American one – claims to believe in conviction only if it is “beyond a reasonable doubt.” There is nothing but doubt in this case.
Finally, let’s examine the trial. The jurors were allowed to speak with the press and read newspapers throughout the trial. 6/8 wore Italian colors to the conviction, and the prosecutors showed an animated film depicting what they thought had happened.
This was not a trial. It was a witch hunt.
Posted by: Emily | December 7, 2009, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
Amanda’s blood was mixed with Meredith’s blood in the bathroom, how does that not constitute Amanda’s DNA being present at the scene of the murder?
Posted by: Del | December 7, 2009, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm
Matt says, EVERYBODY! except the Americans believe she is guilty.
No, Matt…I am an American and I think she is as guilty as sin as do most of the Americans I know. The ones who don’t say she is guilty, say they don’t know as they didn’t feel there was enough evidence. It is understandably Amanda’s friends and family who are fanning this flame. As well as a U.S. Senator from Amanda’s home state. The Senator is more than likely using this issue to her own benefit. Is this an election year in Washington?
As for accusing us of being a country of racists, keep in mind a majority of us put Obama in the White House just over a year ago. My memory may be faulty, but I just can’t recall a black Prime Minister ever living at 10 Downing Street.
…we will once again see Americans for what they are. WTH! One psycotic American and we will see 300 million Americans for what they are. Yeah, kind, honorable, loyal, friendly, etc. I could go on all day. Talk about pathetic, Matt. What ignorant b.s. are you spouting now, Matt. Are you saying we are a country of murderers. I think you might be confusing our history with that of another English colony. We are not the penal colony. We are the ones with the 13 original colonies – the land of the free and the home of the brave, Matt.
As someone who works in the American legal field, I would have to say that we would of had a hard time convicting Amanda based on the evidence heard, but luckily enough she wasn’t tried in America. My hope is that this does not become a political issue or just a bunch of jealous name calling, Matt and Amanda actually serves her time.
Posted by: karen | December 7, 2009, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm
Follow the money. It is all about the prosecutor and the media who stood to profit from the conviction or at least the trial of Amanda Knox.
Any American who thinks she is guilty hopes they do not get arrested in Italy for a crime they did not commit.
Boycott Italy and all their products.
Posted by: Wayne Elliott | December 7, 2009, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm
Ok, let´s not focus on DNA, just please someone answer me: why the hell did she lie and changed her story, she was not in the, but yes she was, she heard the scream, she said it was the bar owner who killed her….she was caught with a lot of lies, when a person is innocent lies are not needed…when a person is innocent…
Posted by: Annette | December 7, 2009, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm
Monday, December 7, 2009
Been reading some of the comments on the web about Amanda Knox and it is apparent that not all Americans believe she is innocent. That makes me sad but at the same time I guess not so surprising since there are still to many out there who feel that we as a poulation are not poluting the atmosphere.
If you look at the evidence and look at the prosecutor you will see that she was rail roaded regardless of the reason. And the only crime she commited was that she did not act properly.
She was an admited pot smoker and she was in lust for her boyfriend so therefore, she must be guilty of something. The prosecutor is a witch hunter and would of had her burned at the stake if possible and all of you nay sayers out there wake up and get real Amanda for what ever reason was convicted wrongly and we should all band toghether to get her out to come home.
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Posted by: Wayne Elliott | December 7, 2009, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
Regarding the issue bemoaned by the Knox supporters of ‘no sequestered jury’:
In the US, it has fallen out of favor to sequester juries. Perhaps those who wished this for the trial are remembering old Perry Mason movies? Now judges believe a non-sequestered jury means there will be fewer mistrials, more concentration on the case. After the OJ trial in 95, sequestering a jury has been used rarely, as it may be counterproductive.
Perhaps we are on the same page here with Italy?
Posted by: Victoria | December 7, 2009, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm
Great point Victoria….shamefully it is lost on most people.
Posted by: Martin Blank | December 7, 2009, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm
“The debate continued today on “Good Morning America” where reknowned criminal lawyer Ted Simon and Vanity Fair contributing editor Judy Bachrach assailed the verdict and the Italian justice system.”
Yeah, and several years ago these same sort of people convinced most of America that a guy named Ricci kidnapped Elizabeth Smart, possibly contributing to her younger sister’s confusion over ID’ing the “Emanuel” character. Once rescued, Elizabeth sure gave Nancy Grace a tongue lashing over that, didn’t she?
It’s the purpose of these people to generate controversy, not lead you to the truth.
Posted by: The_Mick | December 7, 2009, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm
I haven’t followed the case all that closely, but it seems to me that an awful lot of things are conveniently ignored in the press here. The bleaching, witness that saw her buying bleach at 7:30am, computer evidence, the victim’s DNA on the KNIFE at the BOYFRIEND’s house – you hardly hear anything about this. Did someone make that stuff up in these posts? If not, I’d like to know why we don’t hear anything about it. It’s just “anti American” this and that. A little more objectivity would be nice…
Posted by: asdfg | December 7, 2009, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm
Before bashing the flows of the Italian Judicial system and its “crimes” against the “innocent” Amanda you should search the case of the Italian Chico Forti,
convicted with NO EVIDENCES in Florida at LIFE in PRISON without the possibility of parole. He has been detained in Florida for the past 10 years.
NO APPEAL was granted although DNA evidences proved he was not at the scene of the crime. He also passed all the lie-detector tests.
He also had NO MOTIVE to commit the crime.
If ABC wanted to be a courageous news outlet they would run the 2 stories side by side and show that both SYSTEMS of justice are flowed.
At least Amanda will get her Appeal, and the entire case can be reviewed again. She doesn’t have to win and Appeal, she will get one.
Chico family was devastated as well. I would really like to see if she looked like Susane Boyle if anyone in the USA would give a rat about Amanda.
Posted by: I8DumbPeople | December 7, 2009, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm
In one article after another about Amanda Knox, tons of circumstantial evidence is called “no evidence at all”. Are all these people born yesterday? Circumstantial evidence is absolutely normal basis of conviction is America all the time, nobody ever call it “absolutely no evidence” if it is about somebody like Scott Peterson.
Posted by: Alex | December 7, 2009, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm
Whereas everyone’s family find it hard to accept that their members could have flaws, and its admirable that they will go to the ends of the earth for them, sometimes they have to step back and let due judicial process run its course. Amanda at present IS GUILTY as found by the court based on the evidence that was presented. The defence failed to counter this with any effect and its towards the defence team that comments regarding failure should be aimed, rather than towards the judicial system of a country. Unfortunatly, love is blind, and the instigation from some Americans, and Amanda’s family, that the Italian court system is somehow at fault will be seriously detrimental to any hope of an early release. Innocent or Guilty ?? She knows, but…..how many murderers will admit to the crime if they hold onto some belief that they will be released early. Prisons are full of people who proclaim their innocence.
Posted by: Stan | December 7, 2009, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm
She’s guilty.
No. It’s not anti-Americanism. And, I’m an American myself.
I am so sick of everyone hating our country (and people) and this certainly won’t make these opinions any better.
Posted by: Cheyenne | December 7, 2009, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm
We don’t hate America or the Americans people, we hate the arrogance to be above everyone just because you are American.
Let’s not insult the Italian justice when yours is far for being perfect, thank you.
America is behaving childish in this matter and should leave other countries manage their own justice instead of imposing your common law, it does not work that way.
Posted by: alessia | December 7, 2009, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm
How can a lawyer (Bachrach) be so obtuse? She’s claiming that Amanda being an outside had no influence in Italy and that was her undoing. Well, Sollecito is a son of an affluent Italian with a powerful lawyer, and he did not escape conviction either! People, stop putting blinkers on your eyes.. Amanda’s guilty as sin!
Posted by: badcafe | December 7, 2009, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm
@Gary. I cannot believe, well actually I do because you wrote it.. “Once American investigtors start going over the case we may see a whole different opinion as to what the Italians are saying.”
Can you even imagine the outcry if a team of Italian investigators started questioning an American court case ??? Now reverse the scenario and figure out how you think the Italians are going to react to Americans questioning their system !!!!
If you want to be a useful American then you should look into the cases of Sara Kruzan or Schapelle Corby.
Posted by: Stan | December 7, 2009, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm
I’m Canadian and say no question she was innocent and the black dude did it. Too bad that isnt end of story.
Posted by: Chris | December 7, 2009, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm
US arrogance never ceases to amaze me. How dare we condemn the justice of Italy or expect their system to reflect the principles inherit in the US system. No one commenting here has all the facts of the case and therefore, no of you is qualified to judge it based on media accounts/perceptions.
This country has enough faults of its own without trying to pass judgement on another.
Posted by: Rufus | December 7, 2009, 7:47 pm 7:47 pm
From what I have read about this trial, I would say that the verdict was influenced by the fact that Amanda is American. The press in Italy certainly painted Amanda as an evil person. The press sure did not help the situation by doing that.
Posted by: Lara | December 7, 2009, 7:47 pm 7:47 pm
It is scary how much a PR campaign launched by a professional firm can influence the minds of so many. They have taken advantage of people’s lack of knowledge of the trial. The unsuspecting readers may have read two or three articles only, articles written from where the PR machine has great influence to begin with, in the hopes of molding their thoughts. It scares me how successful they are…
Posted by: Crusader | December 7, 2009, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm
IF she and her boyfriend were equally culpable as it pertains to the death of this woman, Amanda was given sentence + 1 year for being an American or a woman?
What they fail to mention is that her boyfriend was possibly dealing and distributing drugs, and got them both stoned that night leading up to this unfortunate incident. Say what you will, but something is desperately amiss in this case.
As one person was heard to state in the Italian court system “Our style of justice is not like American justice”. What the hey does that mean, you tell me?
Posted by: John M | December 7, 2009, 8:45 pm 8:45 pm
Alessia,
Guantanamo detainees have nothing to do with our criminal justice system. Guantanomo is not a part of our criminal justice system. It is a part of our military justice system. People tried under our criminal justice system have many rights Amanda Knox did not get. This woman was interrogated for fourteen hours while being beaten and denied food, water, or access to a lawyer. This case would be thrown out here because of the unconstitutional way it was handled.
Posted by: Nicole | December 7, 2009, 8:51 pm 8:51 pm
I am still a little unclear about what evidence was presented in other news sources that wasn’t in the American media. I’ve been following this case for months, primarily from American sources, including television, newspaper, internet, and haven’t seen anything here that I haven’t heard before. The ONLY thing that was news to me as of today was Amanda being told that she had HIV while in jail in order to get a list of her sexual partners. In reality, she did not have HIV, but the number of partners was used against her in court. I confirmed this with a British news source because I was skeptical.
I’ve heard about every piece of evidence found at the scene mentioned here, the knife that they claimed was the weapon, as well as her mixed reports of the night, inappropriate behavior, computer evidence, cell phone evidence, I even heard about the bleach, which was later reported not to be true, and to my knowledge wasn’t presented in court.
So, please tell me what I am missing from American news sources or what I’m being “fed.” All this comment feed proves to me is that Anti-Americanism is alive and well. Most of these comments make me think that maybe Anti-Americanism WAS a factor, whereas I never thought that before. And also, please explain how calling Americans ignorant, racist, and arrogant shows that there is no way Anti-Americanism COULD have been a factor in the verdict.
Posted by: Caitlin | December 7, 2009, 9:57 pm 9:57 pm
Caitlin, I’ll try to address your last paragraph, first sentence about what you are missing in American news sources.
There have been a growing number of people each month learning and studying the case. It is very complex, but if you start Googling ‘justice meredith true crime’ you’ll find more than one site with information devoted to finding out what really happened. Some have comprehensive files of reports, news media, translations and interpretations. You can then read for yourself what the British and Italian press have been saying. There is also the judge’s report, which spells out the prosecution’s reasoning. Good luck.
Posted by: Victoria | December 7, 2009, 10:40 pm 10:40 pm
I am American (Italian American, among other things), and I find the whole thing horribly sad. We are not all so blind to turn our eyes on reality for the sake of brotherhood.
As far as the DNA evidence on Amanda, perhaps there could have been more, but there was quite enough to sentence her. I think her behavior, though, is what sealed the deal in terms of her guilt. My roomies and I my freshman year would squabble, but if anything had happened to them I would have been devastated. Saying you only knew them for a few months would not be a normal reason to be unmoved. If anything, you would be stricken you didn’t get to know them better, or have a better relationship, or what have you. I think that is the case for many people. And framing an innocent man–a black man no less–makes her look guilty 1) for framing an innocent, since only guilty tend to place the blame on others and lie, and 2) makes it obvious she thought she could just blame him since he was black. The U.S. justice system has been outrageously racist against people of color in the past, and it still is. But not all of us play the “pin the blame on the ethnic guy” game, for the record. My British friend says that there are “two halves” of America, the good half and the half that is rather unfortunate. Sadly, I think he’s frequently right.
In any event, I’m not sure if she literally is the one who killed Meredith knife-wise, but she was definitely involved in a direct way and I have no doubt she was there at the scene/came up with the idea.
I would like not to believe that she’s guilty, because it’s really awful. You don’t send a daughter off for the experience of her life so something in her snaps and she becomes a cold-blooded killer. Nor do you send her off so she is brutally killed. That said, unfortunately, what I wish I could believe is not the case. Amanda’s parents keep making everything look terrible, and they’re turning it into a criticism of the Italian Legal System. I think it’s very sad that they are unable to believe that their child could have done something like that. Of course, they are lucky to still have her. I don’t think in reverse, a British girl snapping and doing the same to an American student in the states, would be met with the same blase attitude some are expressing: particularly if it happened in a state where the death penalty is legal. And they should at least offer sympathy to the Kerchers, who have done nothing wrong in this whole scenario. Meredith’s mom said their family is the one serving the real sentence, and she is right.
R.I.P. Meredith, and I hope you are somewhere happy and hilly like Perugia, smiling like you always were in pictures in life.
Posted by: Miss D. | December 7, 2009, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm
When the evidence doesn’t agree with an American interpretation, bring in other items–anti-American, senator stupid, …–to confuse the evidence. God bless America, land of the vegetable.
Posted by: tom | December 7, 2009, 11:32 pm 11:32 pm
The DNA strongly implicated Mr. Gande and, except for the piece of Mr. Solecitto’s DNA on the clasp…which was by all accounts badly mishandled… essentially exonerated Ms. Knox and Mr. Solecitto. The evidence found on the knife is simply too weak to be probative. Mr. Mignini has made this into a media circus in the same way Mr. Nifong made the Duke case a media circus, and only by the greatest stroke of luck did that case finally get wrested from Mr. Nifong’s moniacal grip and land in competent hands of Mr. Cooper. In this case, the DNA in the room of the poor murdered girl tells the tale. Everything else is distracting noise…most of which upon further investigation seems to be made up or totally twisted. I am still waiting for someone to explain how a murder of this nature could be accomplished without the perpetrators leaving lots of DNA behind (as did Mr. Gande). And NO I do not believe even the craftiest person could clean up only their own DNA at the murder scene. It’s absurd.
Posted by: cw | December 7, 2009, 11:33 pm 11:33 pm
I think the only reason some people cant believe this girl is guilty is she really dosen’t fit the profile of a killer shes clean cut young white shes not unattractive which always helps their case in the court room sad but true..but one just has to remember the saying looks can be deceiving as many times thats been proven..My heart goes out to Meridiths family and give me a break if this had been an anti American
thing the other two would not be charged
as well the fact is people cant believe
that a girl that looks like her would
be guilty but if she wasn’t what i described above she wouldn’t have all this media coverage and knowone would be coming to her defense..sad but true..
Posted by: sunshinegrl7 | December 8, 2009, 12:48 am 12:48 am
another thing that gets me is how do you explain her odd behavior showing no remorse for her roommate if something like that happened to my roommate i sure would not be acting like her and even if she wasn’t involved in the killing herself how does one know that she didn’t set these guys up to do it..I know that odd behavior dosen’t prove your guilty but with many cases it has turned out to be that people that acted that way did turn out to be guilty most of the time..
Posted by: sunshinegrl7 | December 8, 2009, 12:57 am 12:57 am
I know many Americans that have gone to Italy and have been treated well they loved it there..I dont think they really dislike Americans as much as some of the other countries do..
Posted by: sunshinegrl7 | December 8, 2009, 1:10 am 1:10 am
This case will die from our memories. I am sorry for Amanda’s family, but I am more sorry for Meredith’s family. Many Americans do not agree with the verdict, but the one thing all Americans agree on is that if Italy ever needs us to come to their rescue again, we will come over there and die on their soil so they may live in freedom. This comes from a veteran.
Posted by: RetiredArmy | December 8, 2009, 2:38 am 2:38 am
None of us were there. None of us know for absolute certainty what happened. But a promising young beautiful woman was killed in cold blood and their court system believes they found the guilty people. We need to stay out of their courts and we will handle our courts our way. But the USA will still answer the call to help whatever country needs it. I assume Amanda’s family will take a pass on dying for any Italian cause however.
Posted by: RetiredArmy | December 8, 2009, 2:47 am 2:47 am
The U.S. media has been dramatically bias, since the announced verdict over the week-end. Anyone who has visited or been to Italy for a considerable time, knows what the real deal is. They don’t just pick someone off the streets or pull someone from their home without reasonable, probable cause. I really don’t think the Italian judicial system, the court in Perugia got it wrong. My point is, that just because she’s a U.S. citizen, residing in Italy that somehow she should be given some sort of immunity a carte-Blanche? The Italian justice system didn’t even give immunity to U.S. Department of State and U.S. government officials who were responsible for kidnapping an Egyptian Imam in Milan, in 2003 — they were just conducting their official duties and all were convicted with sentencing ranging up to 23 years. It’s more like the secret life of Ms. Knox gets out of hand leading to the murder of her British roommate. It may have been a classic case of passion and jealousy. On the contrary to many of the one-sided comments I’ve been reading, the Italian judicial system does not have biases against Black men, seemingly it was Ms. Knox who claimed it was the Congolese who committed the murder during a sadistic sex act going array. In fact, I trust the Italian courts and judicial system more than the U.S. judicial process, at least in Italy (or in any EU state), you will not have some overzealous prosecution seeking a death penalty “hanging over your head…”
Posted by: Joseph | December 8, 2009, 2:54 am 2:54 am
Well said Alessia, I couldn’t agree with you more. The U.S. media has been a barrage of bias media coverage, arrogant and misrepresentation of the Italian judicial system.
I’d rather be under the constructs of the Italian judicial system than, under a U.S. State judicial system.
The emphasis in Italy and the EU is on human-rights.
Posted by: Joseph | December 8, 2009, 2:58 am 2:58 am
I’m so sad because of what i see and i hear, the trail of Amanda Knox was unfair? maybe (in my opinion it was) but even the one of Chico Forti … but unfortunately for him, he is italian judged by an american court. He is innocent!!! where is the indignation for him? but of course no one knows about him because the press tells about Amanda(and this is fair) but not about him (and this is unfair).
Posted by: anitaliangirl | December 8, 2009, 3:26 am 3:26 am
As an American, I am disgusted with the arrogant “ugly American” attitude. This was a unanimous verdict, people. The jury cried in delivering what they felt was the truth – because there was truly an innocent victim in all this who was murdered, and justice needed to be delivered. Knox’s boyfriend, also convicted, is Italian, and we claim that there was anti-Americanism. What a pathetic attitude.
Even Maria Cantwell couldn’t say she believes Knox is innocent, despite being pressed multiple times to say so. Perhaps the boyfriend will confess and rat out Knox, and Cantwell doesn’t want to go too far out on a limb. So all she can safely say is that she thinks the trial was unfair. I guess she was there every day to make this claim.
Posted by: Anthony | December 8, 2009, 4:02 am 4:02 am
All countries tend to be a bit harsher on foreigners than on their own citizens but I see very little in this case that involves anti-American sentiment. Its more a case of typical Italian justice wherein facts and truth are hardly relevant and the trial consists largely of “judicial theater”. The only thing I found the least bit disconcerting is that the Kercher family actually seems to believe the prosecutor’s nonsensical statements. That in itself is frightening. None of the evidence would pass muster in either an American or an English court. Much of it wouldn’t even be admitted into evidence. For an Italian court, its par for the course. For anyone in a civilized country to believe her guilt seems strange. As for the Italians, I don’t think there is a belief in Amanda’s guilt. The Italian tabloids are not believed. The prosecutor is not really believed, its simply that he yelled louder and longer. He was the better actor!
Posted by: FleaStiff | December 8, 2009, 4:24 am 4:24 am
All the evidence is there, Amanda Knox is guilty as hell.
Her mother is a disgrace, she knew that the man that Amanda initially framed was innocent and said nothing.
Posted by: Jim | December 8, 2009, 5:02 am 5:02 am
I rarely post on websites but felt the need to here. First of I would like to state that I have never known the Italians to be prejudiced against Americans. That belief smacks of paranoia. Secondly, there is a recurring thread of “everybody hates us” by some of the American posters here. I can tell you as a british person that America as a political entity is not well respected nor appreciated by a lot of Europeans. I can also tell you that many Europeans have a pre-conceived notion of what we expect Americans to be like. However, the belief that the fact that she is American is some way influenced the verdict is to my mind completely false. The reason? Simply because they also found guilty a man from the Ivory Coast and (shock/horror) an ITALIAN CITIZEN! Do you really believe that they have singled out an American at the cost of 2 other individuals freedom?
In addition to the above I would like to speak to people like the woman on another website who said that Americans studying abroad should be called home. That is a xenophobic and ignorant belief system. Have you ever been outside of America? Yes, there are many dangerous places in the world…as there are in America. BUT many places (particularly places like Italy) are as safe if not safer. Your views do nothing to dissuade the world of their (perhaps) prejudiced notion that Americans have no clue of the world outside of their doorstep, think everyone is against them, think terrorists are behind every bush. This is a tragic case and issues of nationality should be removed when commenting on it. I am glad there is an appeal as it will give her another chance to prove her innocence but we must all bear in mind that NONE of us are privvy to the full information, unless we had been sitting in that courtroom.
Posted by: Jamie P | December 8, 2009, 6:32 am 6:32 am
In the USA, lately it is customary to blame everyone else for ones personal actions.
The facts bear out that this rich, drug taking, jealous murderer, slashed the throat of a girl killing her and tried to cover the horrible act up. End of story, get this sociopath off the streets and away from normal decent people for a very long time.
Posted by: Edward | December 8, 2009, 7:09 am 7:09 am
Well, Americans were stupid enough to elect George Bush for a second term, so I am not at all surprized that they now want to hack on the Italian justice system and defend a murder, and disregard the innocent victim. America has some people with intelligence, but the majority seem to be ignorant, xenophobic people who listen to what the press here says as if it were absolute, unassaliable truth! They do not check the facts, nor do they seem to want to read what the European press, or any foreign press has to say for that matter. They do not have the intellectual capacity to be able to see two sides to an arguement! They are fodder for a future dictatorship. They read one bible or one news source and think they know how the universe works. What a bunch of idiots!
Posted by: Shawn Irwin | December 8, 2009, 7:39 am 7:39 am
Interesting perspective in the comments from the Americans. I’m an American living in the UK, and had no idea that Americans were being told she was innocent. Certainly the press reports in Britain made it sound like there was plenty of evidence of her guilt.
Once you live outside the US for a while, I think you get over the idea that Americans are somehow different or better than the rest of the people of the world — or that the American way of doing things is always better or always right. ‘Fraid it just ain’t so.
Posted by: Carol | December 8, 2009, 8:01 am 8:01 am
Amanda Knox was convicted because she and her boyfriend are guilty, It is nothing to do with being American, Her bizarre behaviour immediately after the murder alerted the police to her. DNA evidence and their bloody footprints plus the fact that she put the blame on an innocent man showed she had something to hide. Where are the tears for the poor victim Meredith Kercher – Amanda’s tears are only for herself
Posted by: Ann | December 8, 2009, 8:15 am 8:15 am
As an American, I don’t think anti-american views convicted Amanda. I think she got as fair of a trial that she could get given all of the media scrutiny. That being said, I don’t think she got a fair trial and I believe she is innocent. To the people that spread lies: 1) there was no evidence that indicated sollecito google anything about removing blood from a knife and 2) the store owner indicated he thought he saw amanda, but dind’t remember if she bought anything (i.e. bleach). Start doing your research and get your facts before you spread salacious lies.
Posted by: David Check | December 8, 2009, 8:18 am 8:18 am
Another comment. The cottage wasn’t cleaned with bleach. The prosecution made this up in order to explain the lack of evidence (excuse me – no evidence) linking the two to the crime scene. In other words, what would normally provide doubt that she/he were involved with the crime was turned to make them look guilty. If they cleaned the entire cottage – why not the actual room where the murder occured and how would they only remove their DNA/fingerprints and not Rudy’s? Simply questions. There is a great deal of forensic evidence linking Rudy to this and, in my opinion, none linking Amanda or Rafaelle. Do some basic research (numerous DNA specialists have written on this and it is easily found on the internet)
Posted by: David Check | December 8, 2009, 8:24 am 8:24 am
Free Amanda…! She’s American…!! – therefore anyone with common sense can see she is not guilty…!!!
Posted by: Joanna Jay | December 8, 2009, 8:35 am 8:35 am
You have to be joking -
” Because she’s American” as quoted by a journalist from Vanity Fair.
What part of the justice system are you missing.
There was evidence at the crime scene luminol showed Amanda Knoxs footprint was underneath Merediths body.
She lied consistantly. The time she was supposedley at her BF she was caught on CCTV camera returning to her apartment.
She said she was in bed until 10am the following day but was identfied as buying bleach at 7.45am.
Just which bit dont you get???
Guess the American system is far better – OJ for example – was he innocent??
And of course Casey Anthony , guess shes inocent too if we are judging by the same standards – no fingerprints/DNA /real motive??
Posted by: Sophie | December 8, 2009, 8:43 am 8:43 am
I suppose if ever a foreign jury in a foreign court has the audacity to find an American guilty of murder – then anti-Americanism has got to be the reason…!!!
Posted by: Joanna Jay | December 8, 2009, 8:44 am 8:44 am
Forgot to add:
For all the Americns whining on about trial by media..
2 words “Casey Anthony”
Posted by: Sophie | December 8, 2009, 8:49 am 8:49 am
Hey, answer me this. If it’s OK to be anti-French or anti-Italian, why is it considered automatically against the law of the universe to be anti-American…???
Surely, if you do the crime you should do the time – whatever nationality you are.
Posted by: Joanna Jay | December 8, 2009, 8:53 am 8:53 am
No, Amanda Knox is not being punished for being American…! According to Judy Bachrach, it seems, the rest of humanity is being punished for NOT being American…!!!
Posted by: Joanna Jay | December 8, 2009, 8:58 am 8:58 am
First, people need to stop acting like the DNA was the ONLY evidence of the murder. It makes you sound like a simpleton.
Second, they did purchase bleach the following day, in the morning, and this was at a time when they said they were sleeping. They did speculate as to why they purchased the bleach, but there is no denying that they lied about where they were, and lied about purchasing bleach. Who lies about purchasing bleach?
Posted by: Martin Blank | December 8, 2009, 9:18 am 9:18 am
At least your American readers – (most of them) – seem to have their heads screwed on and are a credit to the USA. Unfortunately, the writer of this article and Judy Bacharach sound-off with reactionary and blindly xenophobic viewpoints that frankly disgrace their own country. Fortunately, I know far too many level headed Americans to judge them by such jingoistic twaddle as we see in the article above…!!!
Posted by: Joanna Jay | December 8, 2009, 9:23 am 9:23 am
If this was a conviction based on doggy
evidence you need to go and look at the evidence used to convict Megrahi. And if i remmeber correctly no one in America wanted him released even thought family members here in Scotland and the UK expressed Major concerns over the evidence used to convict this innocent man
Posted by: annonymous | December 8, 2009, 9:32 am 9:32 am
One other point of note to remember is that this American slapper actually tried to implicate an innocent black man,resulting in him losing his business, perhaps Americans need to spear a thought for him and his family, and forget this so called angelic white girl who has crossed the line and taken a life. Although when you think of it this seems to define Americans.
Posted by: annonymous | December 8, 2009, 9:39 am 9:39 am
Oh Please!!!! why do americans always have to pretend they never do anything wrong?? Or why should we expect a foreign country to convict individuals based on our own laws rather than their laws?. let’s remember a crime was committed and based on the evidence Amanda was found guilty, it had nothing to do with being an american. There were two onther individuals convicted as well (non americans). Maybe we should stop making heroes out of those people who go to a different country and expect to do whatever they want and not to be punished for anything. Remember the guy in Turkey who attempted to smuggled large quantities of heroin—-he became a hero and even got his own movie !
I do feel very bad for her family though.
Posted by: Jasol | December 8, 2009, 10:36 am 10:36 am
RETIRED ARMY, the samw way that italian army is fighting 2 wars started from the USA, please remember that many European country donate men and woman to fight the war that the USA started because they were lied from Bush about what again?
Still today the world does not know why we are in Iraq or Afganistan, oops sorry we are there to secure OIL and nothing else.
The US government together with Ms Clinton knw all along about this case, they had an American official who work for the US Embassy EVERYDAY in the court.
Amanda is guilty, period, we have many Italians citizen in US jail who are waiting for a trial, let’s not judge the Italians when we have our own ( US) system broken.
Ciao
Posted by: alessia | December 8, 2009, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
Why did Italy decide to participate in this war? Why do they continue to do so if they don’t believe in it?
That’s not the Americans’ fault. That ultimate decision lies with Italy’s own government.
Also, are you saying that President Obama’s goal is for more oil? He is continuing this war. I had hoped that he would have kept his promise and sent the soldiers home.
So, if you have a complaint, address this with Obama in this country, and Romano Prodi and Giorgio Napolitano in
Italy.
I, too, believe Amanda is guilty. I just don’t delight in it.
Posted by: ddg | December 8, 2009, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm
David,
Not all Americans think she is not guilty, I am American and think she was given a lengthy and fair trial. As for our “Blame the Black guy rule”, yep we have it and it works which is why young Amanda Knox thought she could get away with cold-blooded murder. Her parents also thought they could go to Italy and bully the system into letting their daughter go free. It is really not their fault, they are simply White American’s who are unaccustomed to being held accountable for their actions.
Posted by: Go Figure | December 8, 2009, 9:20 pm 9:20 pm
many of the comments here are absurd, or just outright lies
there is no way for someone to bleach out dna evidence of 2 out of 3 people…it is physically and chemically impossible
and their was never a google record brought up in court
Posted by: uncle joe mccarthy | December 8, 2009, 9:47 pm 9:47 pm
No forensic evidence actually links Amanda Knox to the murder scene. DNA, footprint and handprint evidence links Rudy Guede (who is from the Ivory Coast) to the crime scene and victim. Rudy Guede is the sole rapist and murderer of Meredith Kercher and he’s now in prison where he belongs.
Posted by: jillian | December 8, 2009, 11:48 pm 11:48 pm
I found no anti americaism in Perusia the last time i was in Italy, last Jan and 4 times before that. Perusia and Seattle are sister cities!this is true!
pb seattle.
No qualms about going back again,
Posted by: pb | December 9, 2009, 7:02 am 7:02 am
why is everyone only writing about DNA as if that was the only evidence in the case? are people in seattle all kind of dimwits? seriously, there is more to a case than bleach – nobody has said they bleached the rooms they say they bought bleach the next morning (fyi: they lied about where they were that morning) and others speculated about why they would buy bleach. seattle i mourn the loss of your brains.
sincerely, Guy in Portland!
Posted by: Guy Sandoval | December 9, 2009, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
AS you can see the US justice is NOT perfect after all.
I translate this very fast, please ecxuce my misspelling and bad grammar.
Please excuse my misspelling and bad grammar but I translate this really fast .
Department of State : fair trial
Massimo Martinelli
ROME (December 8) – Franco Frattini has mentioned two of controversial court cases: that of Charles and the other Parlanti Chico Forti. Which is a little ‘how to indicate the tip of an iceberg that emerges from the ocean: why are some three thousand Italian citizens held abroad who may complain a little about their convictions and their detention. But choosing the names of speakers and Charles Chico Forti, Minister Frattini has sought to convey a message to the net, using the cloak code of international diplomacy.
Why the comparison between the history of the two Italians, who embarrassed the U.S. Justice and that of Amanda Knox, is simply unthinkable: the young American was found with all the guarantees that our code provides criminal defense lawyers determined and held in a prison rather than dignified.
Carlo Parlanti, however, convicted for an alleged rape to U.S. ex-wife, can not even find a lawyer. He has contacted five, who before meeting demanded advances on the bill and then slipped away. It lives the drama of who has the evidence to be released from prison and can not rely on them in court. He is ‘in prison for two years and has denounced violence and beatings in his cell, unheard.
Like him Chico Forti, which probably serve only doing a journalistic investigation into the death of Gianni Versace, who ridiculed the police in Miami. He’s ‘in jail for ten years for an alleged murder, under maximum security. Yet he asks only to be able to provide the evidence that U.S. courts have never agreed to consider.
Posted by: alessia | December 9, 2009, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
There’s no big backlash in America over this case.
I wish they would stop reporting that.
Italy did a great job with this case.
To hold Italy at fault is ridiculous.
I hope Hillary stays out of it. Looks like she’s not too eager to get involved. Good.
Posted by: Montara | December 10, 2009, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm
This is the dumbest thing I ever heard. HELLO-Amanda’s codefendent is an Italian from a prominent Italian family!
Posted by: wgirl | December 10, 2009, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
AMANDA KNOX & RAFFAELE SOLLECITO ARE BOTH INNOCENT.
I prayed continually for Amanda & Raffaele & was shown that she is completely innocent of charges. She & Raffaele were both unjustly accused of this crime.
All you have to do to get the truth is to PRAY to God for the right answer & He will give it to you. Never judge people off the top of your head & by your own instinct. Never rely on your own feelings, use only God’s wisdom & ask for the truth. God does not bless people who are evil like the prosecutor & all the ones who accused her of murder & they will reap what they sowed in the end.
A lot of the comments that people are giving are off the top of their head & their own feelings. Our feelings don’t count. The truth is the only thing that counts. She will be freed from that prison, because God will see to it that she is freed.
Posted by: GC | December 11, 2009, 5:43 am 5:43 am
Nice GC – Let god decide that always ends well….
Posted by: Guy Sandoval | December 11, 2009, 10:25 am 10:25 am
Mussolini, sorry.
Posted by: josh | December 11, 2009, 10:42 am 10:42 am
America is a civilized Democracy.
I am very proud of the fact that Amanda Knox kept her composure in a dignified manner in court.
The Italians are emotional romantics by nature, and they like their women to act in a sentimental touchy feely way, just like they do in their ridiculous and stupid Grande Opera plots.
Amanda Knox, who is the epitome of the strong, independent,academic modern American woman, is out of place in the sexist Italian culture,where they prefer
women to be the victims,seeking knights in shining armor to rescue them.
Well,Amanda is NOT the over-the-top,narcissistic ham actress victim,like Tosca or Madama Butterfly.
One message for the Italians to chew over.
American women have moved on.
Posted by: Hannah | December 15, 2009, 8:25 am 8:25 am
Sen. Cantwell, the Friends of Amanda, Amanda’s Parents, ABC news, and the PR firm have collectively done an excellent job repeating that Amanda has to be innocent because there’s no DNA linking her to Meredith’s room.
Maybe her DNA vanished from the room at the same time all but two of her fingerprints disappeared from the enitr house!
A wipedown? A clean up?
Not that anyone wants to quote Ann Coulter, but she raises the best point about Amanda’s stories.
Why focus on all of the the stories she told?
Only one is important: If Amanda was “confused” because she got “roughed up” (i.e. swatted in the back of the head) and as a result of the confusion named an innocent man, then how come it took two weeks to become “un confused” about the innocent guy she fingered?
Her parents insult people’s intelligence when they expect us to believe that Amanda got coerced into naming someone. Usually, when people get “roughed up” for as long as the Knox camp alleges they usually break down and confess they did it themselves. They don’t implicate innocent people and wreck their lives.
Like a lot of convicted murderers, now that she’s serving her sentence she’s willing to go with just one story.
Posted by: Matt | December 17, 2009, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm
Parents must educate their children when going overseas by making them understand that when you live in a foreign land you are to abide by their laws and regulation, that you are not there to do whatever you want and then run home to hide! This will be a great lesson to many youngster who feel that they can go overseas to do everything that they cannot do in the U.S.
Amanda will serve as a great example and slowly but surely we’ll begin to see a more respectful American in foreign nations. Amanda’s family needs to stop humilating another nation, Italy is a beutiful country with beautiful people and Amanda’s family needs to cut out their tantrums just because they ruled otherwise! I am disgusted at seen Americans pulling for this girl just because this crime happened in a foreign land. I wonder if they would have felt the same if the crime would have happened in the USA. Problably everyone will have been okay with the ruling! She is NOT being punish because she is an American, she is being punish because she did something wrong!
Posted by: anonymous | December 21, 2009, 11:53 pm 11:53 pm
The initial attack probably took place in the hall where luminol revealed large regions of cleaned up blood– hence lack of Amanda’s hair and DNA in Meredith’s room does not point to Amanda’s innocence. The American media did not report the evidence and so many Americans think this psychopath is innocent. I can’t wait to hear the confirmable details that Guede must have revealed which convinced the appeals court that he participated in the sexual assualt but was not the murderer.
Posted by: sue | February 8, 2010, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm
is Amanda being found guilty because she is American? No because she did it.By the way the USA doesn’t control the whole world you know, sometimes we Europeans might like to make our own minds up about things,I suppose that’s shock to some of you. Oh and the Us never makes mistakes does it ( Guantanamo Bay )
Posted by: sarah | April 3, 2010, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
The evidence against Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito is overwhelming.
Amanda Knox’s DNA was found on:
1. On the double DNA knife and a number of independent forensic experts – Dr. Patrizia Stefanoni, Dr. Renato Biondo and Professor Francesca Torricelli – categorically stated that Meredith’s DNA was on the blade.
2. Mixed with Meredith’s blood on the ledge of the basin.
3. Mixed with Meredith’s blood on the bidet.
4. Mixed with Meredith blood on a box of Q Tip cotton swabs.
5. Mixed with Meredith’s blood in the hallway.
6. Mixed with Meredith’s blood on the floor of Filomena’s room, where the break-in was staged.
7. On Meredith’s bra according to Dr. Stefanoni AND Raffaele Sollecito’s forensic expert, Professor Vinci.
Amanda Knox’s footprints were found set in Meredith’s blood in two places in the hallway of the new wing of the cottage. One print was exiting her own room, and one print was outside Meredith’s room, facing into the room. These bloody footprints were only revealed under luminol.
Posted by: Harry Rag | May 11, 2010, 9:03 am 9:03 am