Whole Body Scan vs. Your Privacy: How Far Is Too Far?

I worked in TSA for over 5 years.Why dont you get silly and say you cant look in my bags .Is that going too far? We have the ability to stop all this nonsense and state if you dont want people to see if your image then dont fly! Its not a God given right to fly you know!Its stupid to expect TSA to do their job but dont do this or that when your life is at stake,right? TSA cant feel their way around when patting down. Doesnt that make it easy to know where to hide your bomb? Come on this is too stupid to really talk about!

Whole body scans equal porn. I do not want some creep looking at my body, which is a good one, and maybe snapping a picture and emailing it to his friends. There is such a thing as invasion of privacy. I am not terrorist and not even close so why should I be treated with less respect than the Gitmo detainees. I am sure that forcing them to submit to having naked pictures made of them would be cruel and unusual punishment.

TSA cant feel their way around when patting down. Doesnt that make it easy to know where to hide your bomb? Come on this is too stupid to really talk about
Posted by: larry ************************************
Gee larry, looks like your looking forward in viewing these images huh? It’ll be cheaper than buying
the magazines now.

If body scans are needed to insure safety in the air then lets go with them! What’s the big deal!

I find it very interesting that we can expose ourselves to others in the form of wearing near to nothing at the expense of being insulted or verbally violated and in some cases provoking physical violation in the form of rape and yet we holler its an invasion of privacy when it comes to our safety. Exposure is exposure, come on people give us all a break.

Here’s the deal: People don’t want to be scanned due to invasion of privacy and would prefer it be used in select situational instances. Yet using it selectively would require…wait for it…”profiling” to some extent which other people don’t want. So which is it folks? Is it everyone gets the whole body scan or only people who are profiled and it becomes a second line of defense? It cannot be done both ways and either way, it’s a significant shift in our way of life in America. Pick one path and stick to it with no regrets or remorse. Additionally, if the chosen path offends some people, flying is a privilege, not a right and if whole body scans offends you or if being profiled offends you, there are alternatives to your transportation methods.

How come no one talks about the radiation dose one gets from these scanners? Higher risks of cancer?
It seems that companies making these scanners (General Electric) are using the Christmas Day incidents to push forward with an idea that has been stale for the past few years.

I am not as concerned about privacy as I am about the safety of these machines. Is it really necessary that my 6 and 9 year old be exposed to this? Use this device as a secondary screening only. Use our intelligence first to screen suspicious travelers, and then this device. Intelligence should have caught this young Nigerian man who purchased his ticket in cash, had no luggage and was on a watch list. The answer is not to throw the kitchen sink at every American citizen b/c the system failed, it is to better use our intelligence first! If this becomes a standard primary screening tool, will we then hear about increase cancer rates 5 or 10 years from now? There is literature out there that these body scanners are not completely safe. Common sense! How could they be? Radiation is radiation, and even a little amount on a regular basis over a substantial period of time cannot be a good thing. Common sense! Many Americans travel routinely during the course of a year. I would much rather a pat down, then to risk unnecessary radiation exposure.

Eric, sounds to me like you like the patting down and full body search a little too much. Maybe you want this to happen so you can get off? Bet you’ll be in heaven if they ever decide to do a body cavity search on every passenger..you’ll be ‘up there’ all day long wont you??

Our government is slowly whittling our personal rights, freedoms and privacy, in the name of “national security” and I all hear is a loud yawn. The Nazis did the same in Germany over half century before. Much the same in Stalinist USSR, China, Cambodia, and … shall I go on? My God, don’t you ever learn? People, where will it end??? I say no way should we permit full body scan invasion of the last vestige of our dignity! I have a baby daughter, and a beautiful wife, and damn if I am going to permit some underpaid pervert gawk at their genitalia in virtual porno without my loud protests! I served in the Vietnam War, in Central America opposed to the Sandinistas, in Latin America against the drug cartels, and I sure as hell never dreamed that North Americans would discard their liberties so easily and so recklessly! Damn it, USA; grow some cojones, at the very least try to emulate the Iranian freedom fighters who are being persecuted at this very moment, for chrissakes!!!!!! Isn’t anything worth standing up to except to high gas prices??????

Eric and Larry; you are both a couple of boneheads to simplify this issue with a “don’t fly.” Have your grandmother go through the scanner and her genitalia exposed to some bonehead like you guys, won’t you? See if she agrees giving up her privacy to security. How in the hell is anyone to visit a family member in Asia/Europe/ Hawaii? Walk on water? Charter an inflatable raft from Cuba? Like a couple of Hitler Youth, you answer: if you don’t like Adolf’s plans for the Jews, leave Germany so the rest to us to do as we please, in the name of “security.” Hah! Don’t even think about it! This old war vet is not about to turn the USA to you imbeciles because YOU feel it’s OK to be seen nude in an airport! “Don’t fly”! Stupidest words I’ve ever heard come from an American. You’re letting your petty useless job get to your heads fantasizing that you are CIA agents protecting the free world. READ MY LIPS: WE DON’T WANT YOUR STINKING FULL BODY SCANNERS BECAUSE WE VALUE OUR PRIVACY! Get it? Read my first comment and you will.

Regarding the invasion of privacy with “full body scans,” I submit that is nonsense.
One cannot open a web page addressing this subject without seeing images of the scans. One cannot identify the subject in any way. If this is the case, exactly how does this invade privacy.
If I can stand in front of a device that will positively determine if I am a threat to a flight or not, I will gladly do so. Of course, a big factor in this is whether it is an across-the-board requirement. To do less would be inappropriate.
Folks – there is enough risk in flying without having to worry about some whacked-out extremist bringing things on board that can bring down the craft. Let’s drop the weak argument of “invading my privacy.” I am quite certain it is more an argument of “leave me alone-don’t bother me!”
We are in a world where thousands of morbidly-ignorant people – in a very strange world – wish to harm innocent people. Is it not worth a bit of inconvience to optimize flying safety?

The TSA is lying when they say your face is blurred, and it is possible they could store a database of your naked picutres, when they want. The images above are the fake images the TSA created to make us believe that the photos are not detailed, when in reality the images are as detailed as if you were staring right at a naked person. They might even store them in the future in a type of database with your name attached to them. You cannot even board an aircraft now without TSA punks photographing your 6 year old daughter nude.

What’s the big deal? I don’t have any hangups about my body, even my privates! I don’t think after looking at hundreds of bodies, a TSA employee is going to say “wow, look at those hooters!” or “wow, that guy is hung!” You are making a big deal out of nothing. I would rather go through a scanner than to have to tackle a would be terrorist on a plane at Christmas!! Now I don’t know if these things are basically xrays which could, over time, accumulate harmful radiation to frequent fliers. I would think a “pat-down” would be worse because if the security person was afraid to feel a woman or man up, then that is where a terrorist would surely hide what they needed to hide. Are we so hung up on our bodies as being private and scaret that we could lose hundreds of people because of it? I say “let ‘em look!”

I don’t look forward to having full body scans to fly either but it it means increased safety, I say go for it. Some of these guys ranting and raving about invasion of privacy would be the first to try to sue if anything happened and want to know why the airlines or the government didn’t do more to protect them.

I work in oncology and the amount of radiation that that machine will emit is far less then people are exposed to in everyday situations. Microwaves?? People get chest xrays and other xrays and don’t complain about that then why complain about something that most people only do on certain occasions. Lets get realo here. It’s for everyones safety. If we had people in this administration who had a clue about security maybe things like this wouldn’t happen, but we have those who have no credentials to to be Homeland Security. Because you were a governor of a border which I live in and who supported the current Prez. doesn’t make you an expert. She was one of the worst governors Arizona ever had. The U.S. always reacts when something like this happens instead of preventing it from happening first. Take some advice from Israel, they don’t have terrorist attacks because they don’t care if they profile. They don’t care if it’s not politically correct to profile. The U.S. is aloways trying to make other countries who hate us like us. I say screw them all. Let’s profile more, let’s use whole body scans and let’s let our Intelligence work for us without the help of homeland security who is a waste. The U.S. knew about this character and they did nothing about it. Doesn’t that make you feel safe. It sure doesn’t make me feel safe. I haven’t felt safe since this administration has taken over. I have never feared flying but I do now and I will be flying very soon and am very fearful. I trust no one. America let’s open our eyes and stop thinking about who is going to see our body images instead let’s think about our safety.

Nothing is going to be safe until they realize that profiling is a necessary evil. It does no good to strip search or body scan grandma while Abdul Al Mohammed walks through unscathed because no one wants to offend Muslims.

Israel has a solution that has been in effect for several decades: 1)study the threat. 2) know the threat and what it looks like;and 3)examine anything or anyone that looks like the threat.
Simply… profile the hell out of the threat and if it quacks like a terrorist,it’s a threat and then don’t let it fly until you’ve “probed” every possible place an explosive can reside. Then and only then let them on the plane. Hint: most 80 year old grammas are not terrorists… let them and those who don’t fir the profile proceed through “standard” examination. Strip search or whatever the “profiled”. Seems simple and it apparently works for Israel.

I was chosen for a full body scan on my last international flight. I am tall, slender, long blonde hair, and relatively referred to as ‘built’. To say I look like any type of terrorist would be a far stretch of the imagination. Do you think I was profiled orjust selected for the resulting picture for someone like Eric??

Airline travel isn’t a right. So if the cost of travel includes a five second peek under my clothes I will pay it. But it won’t be long before the terrorists swallow the bombs or insert them in a place where the scanner can’t see. I’m sorry to say it but profiling and backgound checks as a part of buying a ticket are not far off. When the government has to balance our desire for privicy with the need for safety, safety wins.
I can’t stand the security lines because of all the whining about the inconveniences. The solution to the complainers is trains, buses, and cars. Stand up for your rights and stay home!
Latin America and Central America are the same place.

Okay, do you really think privacy is going to matter to you when your plane is going down or flying into a building? And why do people think that the TSA Officers who would be in a room with a computer are all skeevy perverts getting off on a nondescript black and white image of a person? Give the Officers some credit. The WBI would probably actually decrease the time it takes to get through security screening, so we don’t have to wait for the guy in front of us to take things out of his pockets 3 times before he can finally make it through the metal detector without setting it off. I say, “privacy schmivacy”…I would rather do this and get to my destination safely then think smugly in my seat,”hah! TSA’s not going to see me naked!” as the plane falls out of the sky. Let’s get real…there is a real threat, and we need to take a real stance against it.

Maybe there should be some thought given to making everyone who travels by air do so in the nude. That would eliminate any funny business about bombs in the cabins during flights. However, the real downside would be when passengers in the inner seats would want to enter or exit their row during the flight. It would be so unpleasant for the person in the isle seat.
Even so, anything for the public safety.

I think those who think that the body scan equals to porn must be a delusional. How you consider the smuggled bomb inside the body undetected until it blows up and kill innocents?

Janet Napolitano is doing such a poor job of head of Homeland Security.
One agency doesn’t talk to the other agencies?
They don’t share information like who to look out for?
This guy’s father alerted authorites to look out for his son. He fit the profile of a depressed misfit that al qaeda recruits.
This wasn’t important enough?
It was reported that Homeland Security’s job is to REACT to a crisis and that they did a “fine job”. What are they talking about? It was some random guy who tackled the bomber. Also, the bomb only caught fire.
These passengers got lucky that day.
I know how some people operate. Each department is protective of their territory. Nobody shares information, and nothing gets done.
We have the technology.
I expect a whole lot more from Homeland Security.

I’ve been through them- before as a test (I think at Heathrow or CDG). They, basically, said “if you go through this line it is quicker” but its a full body scan. This was a few years ago and I think they were testing them out. I have no problem with it as long as the data is not archived (beyond a reasonable time), kept, or shared with others.(How about a law with both severe civil&criminal penalties for the above such, Congress?) And it raises questions about children. Technically, it would be childporn according to some statutes I would think.
Another solution is to codify this choice: longer lines for normal and shorter lines for body x-ray?
Of course much of the problem could be solved with common sense (profiling, cost/benefit analysis and the public accepting some “danger” when flying, stricter visa/background-check for certain countries/profiles, and more aggressive investigation of unsavory folks) but, of course, we can’t offend anyone.

Anyone notice that when you get an x-ray at the Dentist they have to leave the room and cover you with that heavy blanket but frequent flyers will be going this radiation field possibly a few times a week without any protection?
Well… cancer is a profitable disease afterall.

I won’t be visiting America again or spending any more money there. The radiation given out by these things will kill more people than the terrorists could ever hope too, not to mention the damage to reproductive organs.
Good luck with the dollar.

BB, I have to agree with you. Go to any beach or swimming pool and you will see far more than will ever show on the body scan!
S>Mills, I have not seen where anyone proposes scanning your 6-9 year old children. You just want to gripe about something. I’ll bet you are one of those that show up at the beach with almost nothing covering you.

Routine scans like this go too far. Not flying isn’t an option for many, but to be subjected to what amounts to a public strip search in an airport is outrageous.
There has to be another way.
I only fly now when I absolutely must, otherwise I drive.
The public needs to boycott flying and shut this obscenity down.

Posted by: Eric | Dec 29, 2009 5:21:25 PM
I worked in TSA for over 5 years.Why dont you get silly and say you cant look in my bags .Is that going too far? We have the ability to stop all this nonsense and state if you dont want people to see if your image then dont fly! Its not a God given right to fly you know!Its stupid to expect TSA to do their job but dont do this or that when your life is at stake,right? TSA cant feel their way around when patting down. Doesnt that make it easy to know where to hide your bomb? Come on this is too stupid to really talk about!
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Eric, you completely missed the point. This is not about looking in your bags with an x-ray scanner. It’s about doing a virtual strip search of your person. While flying my not be a right (neither is driving), flying is a necessity due to the absence of other transportation. For many businesses flying is a necessity. Even for personal travel, flying has become the preferred method of travel with the amount of traffic on highways and the cost of gas. It’s not about TSA being able to do it’s job; it’s about my rights against unreasonable search.

It’s not like you are in your own car and someone decides to “scan” you.
When a person decides to hop a plane, they have to go by the airport’s rules and safety standards.
If this is too much for one’s sensibilities, then they must find an alternate way for transportation.
I’m concerned about the luggage and what gets on the plane.
It’s been shown that sometimes there’s a lack of continuity of security of the luggage. The problem happens after the luggage is checked and the point where it gets onto the plane.
I hope they fixed this breach.

SHELLGAMESHOCKED,YOU ARE SO DEADLY ACCURATE WITH YOUR COMMENT.AS REGULATION GROWS,FREEDOM DIES.

I think these are called terawaves, Thats like a billion waves in a given space. This is not in theory
but proven it unzips dna strands and further miscommunicates the info . Basically the people around this machine will recieve as a gift
Cancer. You know you can laugh but arrogence is not a virtue. And by the time you figure it out it might be to late. Really. You people need to wake up
You think you know whats going on. Get rid of your
Ego and learn the truth about the food additives
And about depleted uranium bullets and about what
Pilots and engineers say about 911.

It seems that some of the links to th existence of the nwo I posted got erased. You see people this blog is brought to you by a co-sponser of the old boys club ABC news. I’m sure they’ve sat in the back taking notes like time magazine has done at the builderburg meetings. Remember they’ve worked for thousands of years without our knowledge.
They buy up businesses like mcdonalds and walmart
To control the food and insert there sterility drugs and poisons.
They had many a revolutions because they always mistreated the gen.pop. The kings would sometimes
Be killed. There are also mass cullings or thining the herd. Two countries would get together and decide to start a war all to cull their population. Sounds crazy but the real reasons for war are because some rouge nation like Iraq does’nt go along with the plan. It seems that know Iran is in the crosshairs
And guess what there not in the U.N. .So believe me or not but I’m with George Carlin he did’nt believe anything the Govt.said. He knew who the real omers were his father let him on the secret.

Did I scare you people because thats whats needed.
Look they control the media so nothing tgere doing gets to you. They control the armed forces a brainwash the young recruits to do thier killing. They
Sell you there modified fast foods to sterilize and destroy your immune system , let me not forget the chemtrails in our skies everywhere to spread barium and aluminum and who knows what else. This system in which all the banks are involved is real. Pres. Woodrow Willson appoligized to the american
Public for allowing the fedral reserve to take over our banking systems. It is believed they killed him. The feds Considered him easy prey because he was a profressor and was not privy to the politcal history of the machine. The feds had tried with real politicians and failed. This system of banks are luciferian, the word should be self explamatory.
Maybe you don’t believe in satan but they do.
And if you’ve ever wondered why they kill anybody whose against them in a whim its cause there satanist. Hello! Are you starting to get why there’s wars and constant covert war.the cia has invaded
At least one nation every year almost since its inception. JFK almost abolished the Fed. Res.and had a bill already written to disband the CIA. I’ m not making this up. He knew of the machine, in one of his qoutes he informs the public of thos and asks the public to help him spread the news. I think he was made an example to scare anyome else who had an bright ideas. Look the can stop our leaders but they cant kill an idea cause ideas are bulletproof. Look at Cuba look at Iran look at vietnam look at Cambodia . In every instance a little poor nation with only heart and union defeated the U. S . There afraid of the public don’t you get it , its that easy.
The machine.

I will never fly again…Period. I will not encourage my loved ones to visit me if they have to go through this B.S. There will be many like me who will just choose not to fly anymore…and the dominoes will fall one upon another. I guess flying will be only for the ELITE in the end; as it should be. Gone forever is the free world that my ancestors fought and died for. Thank you very much; you who have sold your souls…and might I ask you? For What?

Enough is enough. Little by little we’re loosing our privacy rights and nobody seems to care. Our US public just goes with the flow and nobody asks any questions. I would never submit to a body scan. And soon enough, even with these machines in place, a terrorist will smuggle something in through a body cavity. Then those would have to be searched, too. People, it is time to stand up and say no. I’d much rather keep my privacy rights and stand a slight chance of being blown up on a plane than give those rights up and stand a slight chance on being blown up on a plane. Enough is enough. Might as well eliminate the right to privacy all together.

I wonder what people will think when they find out the images full body scans produce are really no different than a negative photo. Simply convert this image from a negative into a positive and you have a naked photo in full color. Can you imagine all of the possible things people will be able to do with these photos after they leak to the internet (or tsa employees themselves)?

Full Body Scanning, Bio Scanning, EZ PASS, etc….all these types of scanning are leading somewhere, and its not a good place. Despite the fact that people keep screaming SAFETY….we have a a fraction of the worlds governments who have other intentions.
Also REMEMBER… that technology advances quick, so these images will soon be more detailed as the years go by. Think about that.