By Sadie Bass

Jan 4, 2010 1:54pm

Monitoring Radical Websites for Emerging Threats

ABC's Simon McGregor-Wood reports from Jerusalem: Israeli intelligence company monitored web discussions about plane bombing tactics weeks before the Detroit attack. Most of the analysts at Terrogence are former Israeli intelligence operatives. From a converted chicken coop in a village in central Israel they monitor Islamic internet sites devoted to global jihad and terrorism. Their mission is to identify new and credible threats against western targets. They told ABC News Monday that as early as September they picked up detailed conversations on one of the most popular Islamic forums about how to bring down planes using so-called “improvised detonation chain” devices, exactly like the one used by Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab on Christmas Day. According to Terrogence founder Gadi Aviran the online discussion ran to 25 pages and continued until a critical posting in late November by a known extremist with a proven track record in explosives. This individual has been monitored for several years and is widely respected by participants in the forums.  His posting in Arabic read: “You can ignite a detonator using a medical capsule and put concentrated sulphuric acid into it, and then put it over the explosive materials.” They believe the “medical capsule” mentioned in the post could easily refer to a syringe as used in the attack on North West Flight 253. Earlier, activists had detailed debates about how much chemical to use to avoid detection in airports and which liquids work best as a detonator. After this posting Terrogence sent warnings to their clients around the world which include so-called “Western governmental agencies." The online discussion was not specifically about plans to attack the Detroit bound flight but it showed that the technique used was being debated widely and in great technical detail weeks before. In the same forum a chilling discussion was held about the use of biological agents on passenger jets, including deadly Botulinum toxin carried in aerosol cans. This so-called “thread” of postings from the same extremists also showed great levels of technical expertise and knowledge of chemical and biological agents. Gadi Aviran believes this biological threat to be credible and has sent similar urgent warnings to his clients. After the Christmas Day attack the forums have posted messages congratulating Al Qaeda and an online debate has already started on how to defeat new security measures that western airports are going to introduce.

User Comments

Simply eliminate whatever products or containers that could hold explosives or chemicals:
makeup, toothpaste, deoderant, any and all cans and tubes – eliminate it all.
Stop trying to guess – just cut it all out for everyone.
Medicines would have to be cleared in another line.
Luggage needs to be simplified as well.
I think we should go to a see-through bag with no more than 3 or 4 outfits.
I’m also for the full body scanner.
Who cares about dignity? I don’t want my dignity scattered across the water.

Posted by: candid camera | January 4, 2010, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm

Candid, that’s giving in to the terrorists and that’s what they want. How about, you know, going right after them and putting the stake through it?

Posted by: Terrorism Delenda Est | January 4, 2010, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm

What the U.S. govt. needed to do from the late 1990s on was Muslim Ideological Profiling (MIP) to screen for signs of radicalization, and engage in heightened security only for them, not for the 99% of non-Muslims like it has been doing since 9/11 in vain, diluting resources and proving it was a mistake by making Xmas Condom Bomber possible. Islam isn’t a race, and while it is a religion, those who step over the line to radicalization become dangerous political and military enemies of the U.S., and the Constitution gives the govt. power to protect us from them, not the other way around.
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Posted by: TL Winslow | January 4, 2010, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm

Certainly monitor extremist websites, but I’m not sure what good it will do. Terrorists want to bring down a plane? They may use explosives strapped to their body? Wow, no kidding. Who’d have thought?
That isn’t actionable intelligence, not unless you intend to go the full-fear route candid camera is parodying above.

Posted by: jhw539 | January 4, 2010, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm

Bits and pieces on their own may not be solid enough to plan. But our intelligence agencies, the State Department, and Homeland Security have got to get better at putting those bits and pieces together.
I think the very close call on 12/25 showed a lot of flaws that need to be fixed.
I’m not saying it will be easy. I wouldn’t want the job; I have enough on my hands just keeping up with billing patterns of healthcare providers.
But our government needs to get serious about ensuring our intelligence agencies and related Departments have the right tools and sufficient funds so THEY can get serious about keeping America as safe as is possible. That will never be near 100%, but the US can do better. I know we can.

Posted by: malcat | January 4, 2010, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm

Man – the terrorists are making the world jump through hoops to catch all the possible weapons that could possibly bring down an aircraft. It is quickly becoming a nightmare for TSA and airports around the world. However, it is critical to monitor these websites for all the wacko ideas that appear there.

Posted by: Bob | January 5, 2010, 8:43 am 8:43 am

The CIA and other Fed organizations should be particularly keen about small plane and helocopter thefts, and should be ready to react in minutes.

Posted by: Gerald | January 5, 2010, 10:37 am 10:37 am

You call that full fear? Why?
How attached are you to your deoderant, toothpaste, and/or makeup?
You could buy these things at your destination. So, have no fear.
By reducing the number of things that need to be searched, this reduces terrorists’ opportunities.
That’s what I’m talking about.
Yes, bombs and chemicals can be sewn into jackets, hems, wigs, etc.
If I can think of various ways, I’m certain the terrorists can think of l00 more ways.
Is this paranoia? No. It just reflects what’s happening in reality.
Apparently, Homeland Security has a lot to be desired. Nobody shares information. That’s how they get passed security.
Instead of knocking one another with “clever” quotes, how about writing Homeland Security and demanding that they get on the ball and come up with a system where everyone is on the same page?
p.s. I live my life as I always have.
I don’t think about terrorists unless I’m writing these comments.
However, if I find myself on a plane, I won’t mind a search as long as everyone gets one. I still can’t count on HL Sec.
yet.

Posted by: ddg | January 5, 2010, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm

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