Obama v. Roberts: Politics, Decorum Collide?
First, President Barack Obama criticized the Supreme Court campaign finance decision during his State of the Union Address — an applause line that the High Court justices were, by decorum, unable to openly question. Just look at the photo above. Now, Chief Justice John Roberts has hit back, fielding a question from a law school student yesterday about the president’s scolding — a response on camera. “The image of having the members of one branch of government standing up literally surrounding the Supreme Court cheering and hollering while the court, according to requirements of protocol, has to sit there expressionless,” Roberts said, “I think is very troubling.” Chief Justice Roberts went on to say that if the State of the Union is going to resemble a political pep rally, perhaps the judicial branch should not attend. So, tonight we ask: Is Chief Justice Roberts simply upholding principle and tradition? Or is he displaying a thin skin? Tell us what you think. Embedded below is the “World News” report on the topic.
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I believe that Chief Justice is correct. The State of the Union address is no place for the President of the US to bash a Supreme Court decision. Such actions are consistent with a bully president who has lost a battle.
Posted by: David Bonnot | March 11, 2010, 12:20 am 12:20 am
the remarks of Chief Justice Roberts are that of a thin-skined person. He forgets his title is Chief Jusstice not God!
Posted by: Ruth | March 11, 2010, 12:21 am 12:21 am
I do not think that the court should be at the State of the Union. It is a report on the country to the country. I am not so sure that the Congress needs to hear it. The People should hear it. Congress should pretty much already know the state of the union, long before the speech/report is given. If they do not then they are truly out of touch with the needs of the people.
Posted by: e148 | March 11, 2010, 12:23 am 12:23 am
I agree with the Cheif Justice, after what we have seen from the Obama campain on raising money he choose something else to talk about.
Posted by: Paul Ingram | March 11, 2010, 12:25 am 12:25 am
I think Chief Justice Roberts is displaying a thin skin. The State of the Union address is a report on the country to the country, and the Supreme Court decisions directly impact the country.
Posted by: Lin | March 11, 2010, 12:35 am 12:35 am
The Chief Justice has an ego as large as the space he occupied during the State of the Union address. He needs to get over himself. It appears he doesn’t like criticism. That’s too bad. The decision to change the campaign finance law will open the floodgates to special interests just as was noted in the news report. BIG MISTAKE. Special interests have up the U.S.A. We don’t need to add to this pig pile of corrupt money grubbers who don’t give a damn about this country and what they’re doing to it.
Posted by: Patrice | March 11, 2010, 12:38 am 12:38 am
The State of the Union has long since become nothing but a show. The sitting President gets to make political points while his party members stand and applaud and the opposing party members sit.
President Obama was way out of line to criticize any Supreme Court ruling in that setting. He was acting like he was still on the campaign trail.
He’s only unhappy that there will now be more campaign money available to be used against his party. It may offset the big advantage he had in funding during the last election.
Posted by: B McCoy | March 11, 2010, 12:42 am 12:42 am
Supreme Court decisions have a lasting effect on the state of our union. Any justice who may be too sensitive to criticism of his decisions should decline Congress’ invitation and stay at home.
Posted by: Lester | March 11, 2010, 12:43 am 12:43 am
I think John Roberts is a wimp. He is obviously a thin skinned wing nut. Anyone who feels it is alright for a corporation to write a million dollar check to a candidate
Posted by: Tracy Joseph Bogert | March 11, 2010, 12:44 am 12:44 am
I think CJ Roberts needs to grow some thicker skin; else he will not be in that position for long. Has he forgotten that the Court is the third branch of a “democratic” form of government – one which has aptly been described as “mob” rule? As the 3rd branch, the Court MUST show up for events such as the State of the Union Address to Congress, even if the event has degenerated into nothing more than a glorified pep rally (which I for one do not believe it has). If the POTUS happens to cite a particular SC ruling which he believes to be injurious to the nation as part of that report, the Court should take it like a man (or a wise Latina). It’s ruling should be able to withstand at least that much criticism. Taking umbrage because you are not in a setting where you can answer back right away is immature and even childish. Suck it up. The Court gets its chance to answer every time it makes a ruling and writes its OPINION. Once that ruling is made, very little can be done to change it unless and until the Court hands down a new ruling. Therefore, there is no need for the CJ to publicly argue the Court’s position. It is written.
Posted by: Marie | March 11, 2010, 12:46 am 12:46 am
President Obama did the right thing by calling out the Supreme Court ruling on campaign finance law in the State of the Union. That decision was a travesty for the American people. Big
Corporations already have the Supreme Court deciding every case in their favor. Do they really need to have more influence in our political system?
Posted by: Dawn | March 11, 2010, 12:46 am 12:46 am
I believe Roberts, Alito, Thomas, Scalia,and Kennedy had their say when they issued their partisan decision and everyone but them had to sit there quietly and take it. Heaven forbid someone, namely 80% of America, should actually challenge your reasoning, oh Great Roberts. If you are having trouble dealing with the pressure maybe you should consider retirement! (i can only hope!)
Posted by: B Real | March 11, 2010, 12:52 am 12:52 am
Chief Justice Roberts should have been fired and removed from the bench when he “forgot” the presidential oath of office. I know there is no legal way to do that but you can bet Bush and Cheney would have manged it. President Obama was right on regarding the travesty heaped on American Citzens with the ruling for corporate political donations. And for Nigthline to run this story with not a mention of Congressman Patrick Kennedys inpassioned plea for reason on the Afghanastan issues and the skewed use of the media coverage reinforces everyones understanding of whos running this country NOW.
Posted by: Steve | March 11, 2010, 1:00 am 1:00 am
Chief Justice Roberts is correct in his assessment.
Posted by: rogmed | March 11, 2010, 1:14 am 1:14 am
Roberts is definitely thin-skinned and egotistical!
Posted by: Carol | March 11, 2010, 1:14 am 1:14 am
“I believe that Chief Justice is correct. The State of the Union address is no place for the President of the US to bash a Supreme Court decision. Such actions are consistent with a bully president who has lost a battle.”
Totally agree with this. And, the president should get his facts straight.
Posted by: Ellen | March 11, 2010, 1:14 am 1:14 am
The Chief Justice is wrong. The good men and women of the court need to remember why they are on the court. It is simply childish to absent themselves when they find that they are in disagreement. The President was not wrong.
Posted by: C. Flowers | March 11, 2010, 1:27 am 1:27 am
I doubt any Supreme Court Justice has a thin skin. It takes a lot of drive, ambition and courage to get to the level of SC…SC Justice is even more impressive.
There is a separation of powers for a reason. I am disappointed in Obama. I would have the same reaction if CJ Roberts bashed Obama. It is too bad we are setting new political standards of inappropriate behavior. Obama needs to take the high road in order to get the respect he deserves. Afterall he is the ruler of the free world.
Posted by: Rich | March 11, 2010, 1:37 am 1:37 am
SC Chief Justice Roberts is correct. Since it is political protocol for the SC Justices to sit emotionless during the SOTU, and obama knew that, it was especially un-Presidential for obama to take a verbal swipe at one of the other EQUAL arms of our government. obama seems to continue to forget that. Also, obama’s swipe was woefully ignorant of the facts. The SC decision that obama highlighted does NOT include foreign companies to be able to buy commercial time for a political candidate. I am glad to see Chief Justice Roberts stand up for the Supreme Court! obama’s actions since becoming President have been anything but Presidential.
Posted by: A. Wolfe | March 11, 2010, 3:05 am 3:05 am
Eoberts is dead wrong. He does, indeed, have a thin skin. His opinions are off base.
Posted by: Peter | March 11, 2010, 3:11 am 3:11 am
Chief Justice Roberts was absolutely correct. The forum had 1 branch of government criticizing another branch of government while another branch of government joined in on the criticism by standing ovation. This has nothing to do with whether the Court ruled correctly. It has to do with the proper place to hold a pep rally.
Posted by: Emily | March 11, 2010, 3:13 am 3:13 am
Roberts and Alito were planted inside the Supreme Court with the specific purpose to increase corporate power within the US. Roberts’ indignation is an act. When the “five” decided to legislate from the bench they knew what the response would be. A corporation is not a “person.”
Posted by: David | March 11, 2010, 3:13 am 3:13 am
This is nothing new, many Presidents have criticized the SCOTUS at the SOTU.
Roberts is showing his arrogance at being criticized, which is certainly his prerogative, but it makes him look petty.
He should remember that the SCOTUS has reversed itself many times on many bad decisions: Dred Scot & Plessy v. Ferguson come to mind.
So yes, Roberts’ skin is indeed very thin.
Posted by: Stephen Anderson | March 11, 2010, 3:15 am 3:15 am
John Roberts is definitely thin-skinned and arrogant!!
Numerous past presidents have used the State of the Union Address to articulate key opinions with facts to support their opinions.
So why now??
Posted by: Cmeda | March 11, 2010, 3:16 am 3:16 am
I am surprised Chief Justice Roberts hasn’t said something before now. First of all the President Mis-spoke. He didn’t have his facts correct and If That was a Republican President that did something like that the “Press” would have taken Him to the cleaners. Instead not much of anything was really made of it especially the fact that the President had his facts WRONG!!! I think that the Chief Justices should boycott the rest of this President’s State of the Union Political Speeches as they are nothing more than Obama Loving to himself Talk and Talk about nothing but healthcare. OMG What about JOBS? Like you promised in that speech. Or… maybe the President did not write down and he forgot what he was going to work on?? Personally I really think He and his cronies in Congress don’t care what the American People want. They only care what They want! I hope people remember this when they Vote!!
Posted by: Susan Cowles | March 11, 2010, 3:21 am 3:21 am
I agree with Chief Justice Roberts. He has persevered to get to his position. I could not believe it when President Obama stepped out of line and attacked a Supreme Court decision during his address. I am tired of all the applause and outlandish clapping that goes on during the reading of these speeches. Why can’t an announcement be made to hold all applause until the end just like we have to do at some of our school functions. It just makes more sense than dragging things drag out.
Posted by: Marge | March 11, 2010, 3:21 am 3:21 am
I don’t know what is going on with the Executive branch, but where I come from, common courtesy would dictate that you are not going to call out the highest court in the country in the middle of a State of the Union address. The United States Supreme Court, in my opinion, should not have to endure, publicly, the disrespect it was shown.
Posted by: K D Cunnigham | March 11, 2010, 3:23 am 3:23 am
What was the upside for Pres Obama to come across as a bully with the US Supreme Court? Or, is he so much the bully he does not realize he is, in fact, a bully?
Posted by: Evans | March 11, 2010, 3:33 am 3:33 am
are you kidding me, yes Chief Justice Roberts has thin skin. How old is he, Ten? When there is light darkness must flee. He’s reacting to the President statement because it’s true. Most people don’t want their deceit and dirt exposed nationally and Chief Justice Roberts is no exception. I’m glad the president exposed the subterfuge and regression of morality that’s taken place in the highest court. The people deserve to know that the Commander and Chief of the free world does not agree with the corrupt ruling of the Supreme Court. This government is transparent. Make better decisions Chief Justice Roberts to avoid the spotlight because the American people are watching.
Posted by: Tracey | March 11, 2010, 3:38 am 3:38 am
Roberts is a sad person.
He was elected by people who didn’t take in to account his party stance!
So Why should we care when HIS boss gives him a reprimand!!
Posted by: b | March 11, 2010, 3:39 am 3:39 am
If I remember correctly from the thirty some years of living in US, I have never heard any president making criticisms about a court ruling in such a forum. Also, Obama certainly knows well about the Country’s Constitutional Laws. which backs the SC’s ruling.
I certainly object to ABC’s usage of “thin skin” to characterize CJ’s behavior. It is highly unethical as it insinuates a personal character defect, which is unwarranted and void of basis. On the contrary, I think CJ has showed a very laudable degree of courage, decorum and clear thinking.
By the way, to the person, who claimed that Obama is the ruler of the free world, I would invite him to do an in depth survey around the free world.
Posted by: Thomas from Phx | March 11, 2010, 3:46 am 3:46 am
Point # 1: Patrick Kennedy’s rant was on message, but for the wrong reason. The “Drive-by Media” is out of balance. (I’ve not seen the #’s in the media who voted for Obama, but I know that 93% voted for Clinton. How can they even claim to be unbiased). This imbalance is evidenced by the the negative slant of the question, “Is Justice Roberts
‘thin-skinned’?” How about a question like, “Is President Obama a classless buffoon, along with ALL the Democrats who lept to their feet to cheer on the Man-child?”
Point # 2: It’s interesting to read the comments by those who understand basic social etiquette, not to mention presidential decorum and the relationship between the branches of government. Contrast that with the hateful, venom-filled, irrational comments by those who understand none of the above. In response, I will simply say “Ditto” to the reasoned comment posted by A. Wolfe.
Posted by: Silver Shadow | March 11, 2010, 4:08 am 4:08 am
Obama used very poor taste in how he handled this. Roberts has every right to critize.
Posted by: Deb | March 11, 2010, 4:50 am 4:50 am
Who gives a damn? It looks like all branches of government are now getting into the bickering game, rather than doing something for us. This Supreme Court, as currently composed, is a disaster. I have no faith in it. Obama contributed to that court composition with his totally flawed Justice appointment. Now he has to suffer the consequences like the rest of us.
Posted by: Proud Native American and Angry Independent Voter | March 11, 2010, 5:09 am 5:09 am
I think the so called president was so very out of line. Seems he likes to belittle something or someone whenever it fits him. It’s about time some influencial people speak up about how the pres. acts and speaks, which is way out of line.
Posted by: Mona | March 11, 2010, 8:26 am 8:26 am
Why doesn’t your station ABC report all the crazy things that the pres. does? You always sugar coat him & don’t tell all the back door crap that his has done and is still doing. Report the truth as it really is!!
Posted by: Mona | March 11, 2010, 8:30 am 8:30 am
Anyone who claims the President’s remarks are unprecedented hasn’t watched many State of the Union speeches. There have been dozens of veiled references about many issues including Roe V Wade made by President’s Reagan, Bush, and Junior.
Posted by: Tracy Joseph Bogert | March 11, 2010, 9:18 am 9:18 am
Thin skin fro sure. Obama called for legislation to try to lessen the toxic opinion of a court that thinks it is “we the corporations” in our constitution. The court is above criticism? Does Roberts even know what Jeffersonian Democracy? Over the history of the court there have been many opinions that scolded the executive in sharper words than Obama used in his legitament call for legislation to try to control the floodgates of unrestricted speech. Guess Roberts thinks calling into question that the banks, drug companies and insurance industry don’t have enough influence in the political process! Next up, Alito? Corporations getting the vote?
Posted by: Bairen | March 11, 2010, 9:47 am 9:47 am
Edwards should be removed from office and the Supreme Court should be summarily arrested by Obama and ended. The Supreme Court is nothing more than a reactionary body intended to maintain the racist, classist, and sexist white european male hegemony. The Supreme Court is an archaic relic and has no business ruling in today’s world which is multicultural, has no borders, and no longer supports the imperialist-capitalist exploitation of the people and Gaia. Obama is right and the Supreme Court must go!
Posted by: Ed | March 11, 2010, 9:54 am 9:54 am
You know what, as it keeps being proven our (U.S.citizens) opinions and wants do not matter or count…so why even waste our time !!!
Posted by: A.K.D. | March 11, 2010, 11:20 am 11:20 am
Roberts definitely has a thin skin, along with another of the right-wings cranks on the court – Alito. Alito shook his head and mouthed no during Obama’s admonishment.
Whether or not one likes Obama (who is an increasing disappointment), the Supreme Court decision was a disaster for the country. Roberts will not be held accountable because of the corrupt spinelessness of Congress, but he should be made aware that he has done great wrong.
Posted by: Ridor | March 11, 2010, 11:43 am 11:43 am
I think Obama was wrong in calling out the Supreme Court during the State of the Union Address. The members cannot answer back. There are times when all of us disagree with their decisions.
Posted by: William | March 11, 2010, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm
i need the video of nightline on critical condition obesity crisis
Posted by: Alex | March 11, 2010, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
Mr. Obama, though young is our president, representing 1 branch of our 3-part federal government. How can it function smoothly without mutual respect? At all times, but especially at annual public events! Negative comments about either the Court or the Legislature were out of line. His writing staff failed him or both he and they, were simply not mature enough to see it. As this is America they are free to disagree about anything and the President is free to confront the Supreme Court or it’s members. But, more privately, it should be much more effective. Hopefully they are growing wiser…
Posted by: K.Gibbs | March 11, 2010, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
The YouTube clip of President Obama at the State of the Union speech shows that the Democrats in the chamber stood and calmly applauded the president’s deferential remarks. They did NOT “cheer and holler” as Justice Roberts mischaracterized it in his speech down South. He was engaging in political hyperbole, almost making it sound like they jeered and threw tomatoes, but the reality is much more benign and polite: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jackson-williams/supreme-court-justice-rob_b_493984.html
Posted by: Amanda | March 11, 2010, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm
Quite possibly the only thing Obama and I agree on.
The Supreme Court by decree made America officially and legally a FASCIST nation.
See Benito Mussolini’s definition of fascism if you doubt this.
Posted by: Tom | March 11, 2010, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm
Your question was framed, “So, tonight we ask: Is Chief Justice Roberts simply upholding principle and tradition? Or is he displaying a thin skin?”
Answering your question –
Short Answer: Chief Justice Roberts is definitely thin skinned and using the moment to stir up needless controversy.
Long Answer: If any of the 5 Supreme Court justices who pushed through this legislation is concerned that they may be perceived as being in the pocket of big business then they should seriously consider the consequences when they allow such a ruling to become law, overturning a century of precedence.
Even the language used in the Supreme Court’s argument sets the court up for public questioning, giving the impression that a corporation has the same rights as an actual individual living breathing human being. CORPORATIONS ARE NOT HUMANS.
The ruling was a travesty and thinking Americans regardless of political affiliations recognize it as such. You don’t often find 80% of all American citizens agreeing on any one thing, and they agree on this. More than one poll has been taken with similar results.
Posted by: Jay | March 11, 2010, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm
The Chief Justice is absolutely correct. Obama was wrong on his statement and wrong to bash the Supreme Court on any issue during the State of the Union. OBAMA continually shows low character on issue after issue. He is the one that should be fired! And no I’m not a racist, and no I’m not a republican. I’m fed up with back room deals, ultra liberal agenda and watching this country go down the toilet!
Posted by: James | March 12, 2010, 7:52 am 7:52 am
Jay, under the law, corporations ARE human. The courts gave the “rights of personhood” to the corporations in the late 1800′s.
The SCOTUS gave the corporations the keys to the kingdom with this latest treasonous ruling.
I think Obama was way to easy on them.
He is on the same page with them and it was political theatrics is probably closer to the truth.
Posted by: Tom | March 12, 2010, 9:51 am 9:51 am
Obama has shockingly little common sense regarding decorum. He bows to foreign leaders. He gives our closest allies an Ipod and movie DVDs that don’t work. He holds a health-care “summit” where he insults congressional leaders to their faces while demanding extra time to speak “because I’m the President.” It’s no wonder he stoops to criticising the Supreme Court in a SOTU address and then claims he did nothing wrong. He may be intelligent but he’s not wise. The man embarrassingly does not know how the President of the United States is supposed to act.
Posted by: Dennis | March 12, 2010, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
Marie’s comment at Mar 11, 12:46:14 is right on target, however the President would have shown more fairness if he had prefaced his opinion by asking congress to withhold any applause in response to remarks he is about to make on a recent Supreme Court opinion.
Posted by: Gridley | March 14, 2010, 9:45 pm 9:45 pm
Why is it that the chief justices would make a ruling that is so completely contrary to the will of the people, congress, historical president. It was right for the president to stand up for the people who put him in office. He should of mentioned that as a homework assingment Justice Roberts has to write the presidential oath of office, correctly, 100 times.
Posted by: Steve | March 17, 2010, 11:00 am 11:00 am