The High Stakes Gay Debate in Uganda
Obviously, homosexuality remains a sensitive topic in America — with every opinion from every inch of the spectrum. The face of the gay debate is much different in Uganda, as Dan Harris reports in tonight is a segment that will likely come as a shock to many. Harris, along with producers Almin Karamehmedovic and Katie Hinman, traveled to the Christian African nation to look at a bill before the Ugandan parliament called The Anti-Homosexuality Bill of 2009. Some advocates say up to 95 percent of Ugandans oppose homosexuality and gay people and supporters are often targets of harassment. The bill would further criminalize homosexuality in a serious way, up to life in prison or even capital punishment. Ugandans found to be "housing" homosexuals can be jailed. Among those Harris interviews are Americans evangelicals and a Ugandan pastor named Martin Ssempa who has made a name preaching about and showing pictures of graphic acts of homosexuality. As always, we want your input on the topic.——————– UPDATE: Here the ABCNews.com report, which is generating a great deal of commentary. Embedded below is the segment, "Preaching Hate in Uganda."
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The third sentence in the Preamble of the Uganda Constitution states ” COMMITTED to building a better future…based on the principles of unity, peace, equality, democracy, freedom, social justice and progress; Ugandans who want to jail and kill homosexuals think that this is equality? Or that killing people based on their sexual practices will bring unity? As to freedom, social justice, and progress, I can only say that these Ugandans seem to have the same attitude about their constitution as President Bush Jr. had about ours- ignore it and circumvent it whenever you want. If this barbaric bill passes, I urge all nations to boycott Uganda.
Posted by: matt okeefe | March 10, 2010, 6:28 pm 6:28 pm
Matt,
I agree with you!
Posted by: Pat | March 10, 2010, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm
It amazes me in a country where Rape & sodomy against women is so prevelant, that there is such a problem with homosexuality.
Posted by: Bebop | March 10, 2010, 11:52 pm 11:52 pm
Last night I saw ICP performers denying their influence on their Juggalo viewer’s murderous actions and thought that was scary. Today I saw Scott Lively and other preachers denying their influence on their parishoners murderous actions. As an evangelical follower of Jesus, I think this scares me more. The message was earily similar, at least to me.
Posted by: mike | March 10, 2010, 11:53 pm 11:53 pm
Pastor Lively is a very dangerous zealot. A true Christian would mind his own business and let people lead their own lives instead of trying to force his opinion on others and then denying that he caused any trouble. Everyone has the right to worship as they see fit, why is sexual preferences anyone’s business but the people involved?
Posted by: Diane Laudadio | March 11, 2010, 1:31 am 1:31 am
Most Africans grow up without ever hearing of this act of homosexuality. They even have no word to describe it. Some consider it a form of witchcraft. Should it occur it is treated as an abomination that needs clenching with animal blood to appease the spirit of the ancestors. To a civilized African homosexuality finds no tolerance like polygamy to the European and Americans. These things are social values pertinent to cultures, violation of which provokes resentment. Homosexuality is not African way of life. When you are in Rome behave like the Romans. Much as I don’t condone extrteme penalty for homosexuality, no one should try to delibaretly impose or spread it. Give decency a chance.
Posted by: Gowon | March 11, 2010, 2:28 am 2:28 am
In 1994 Scott Lively was involved in the Oregon Citizen Alliance. A political antigay rights group that tried to pass state legislation that would actively promote legalize discrimination. At one debate, I remember some yelling out to Scott Lively asking “What would your ex-lover think”. Scott Lively eyes and head dropped as if caught. His body language was revealing. All to often it seem the ones that are the most vocal about being antigay have the most to hide. Its really pathetic but also down right scary and dangerous when nut cases like this are given a podium to spew there hate, lies, and misinformation. I wish Scott Lively and the other two pastor, who have already recused themselves for any responsibility in the matter, be held criminally libel for a potential gay genocide in Uganda should the bill pass.
If you google Scott Lively, it will bring up his church. Very scary site that is dedicated to bashing gays. It share a lot of similarities to that of white supremacy literature but directed solely at the gay and lesbian community.
Posted by: cseank | March 11, 2010, 3:46 am 3:46 am
“Scott Lively Doesn’t Want Uganda’s Gays to Be Executed. Just Steered Toward Therapy.” Well, if this bill passes, Scott Lively will have the blood of these innocent people on his hands. And for him to now deny that he had any part in this genocidal movement is a disgrace. Why did he go to Uganda to preach his hatred? … Because he knows his Church’s movement in the United Sates in a failure; and that Americans would not stand still waiting for such a bill to pass.
Posted by: eric | March 11, 2010, 8:45 am 8:45 am
It’s upsetting to see white, right-wing-fringe evangelicals exploit their advantage over a country fraught with poverty and illness, vulnerable to racism and the influence of outsiders. The resulting social and cultural unrest allows them more religious and social power than they can achieve in the U.S. or Europe, where human rights and civil rights are much better protected by democracy, secular government, and economic prosperity. So the likes of Scott Lively go where they can get away with fostering negative beliefs, fearmongering, and pushing their hurtful agenda. They take advantage of and manipulate existing cultural biases against LGBT people, fuel the flames, and incite paranoia, violence, and government-sanctioned hate crimes.
Shame on them for taking lies, misinformation, and prejudice instead of contributing education, health promotion, cultural competence, and compassion to Uganda. What a dangerous waste of resources.
Posted by: surlykatt | March 11, 2010, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
Social value battles are about character. Many in the U.S. do not have shame and have lost their concept of shame so character is an issue. It appears those Ugandans not supporting homosexuality still have their character intact due to the simple fact that they know how the human plumbing works. Many people seem to not care about the fundamentals of pipefitting. May I suggest you call your local plumber immediately! Maybe he can provide a simple answer.
Posted by: bretstone | March 11, 2010, 9:26 pm 9:26 pm
He who is (without) sin,let him cast the first stone!
~Peace Glenna~
Posted by: glenna | March 11, 2010, 9:27 pm 9:27 pm
I am looking deeply to find God’s grace in this horrific movement against homosexuals and cannot find it! These are human beings! God’s creation! Pastor Lively, I am ashamed that you call yourself a Christian because what you are doing is not Christ-like! Where is the grace? Where is the Mercy? Where is the love for another human? My grandmother always told me… girl… what comes around… goes around! If you give out love, you will receive love… if you give out hate… watch out… because hate will come back to ya! The next time you travel to Uganda or anywhere else, I hope you go with a true message from God and take some love, money, food and clothes and help the people who really need your help!
Posted by: Pastor L | March 13, 2010, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm
Well, I find it very interesting that some people can find problems with the law making process of one society only when bills relating to guiding social ethics are proposed yet those same people appear so unconcerned when other laws that threaten or infringe upon the civil rights of sometimes the majority of people within those societies are passed day in day out. Even when I doubt this bill will ever see its day on the floor of the Ugandan parliamnet, I cant help to be optimistic that when it does it will emerge alittle toned down so as to address the concerns of some people who might have genuine reservations about its present form.As a christian, I too have my own reservations especially about its blood thirstedness,yet on the other hand I feel it ought to come out with some severe penalties for perpetuators of evils like gay rape and elopment with minors. I have heard people talk about mercy and love. Yes we are all aware that God is all so merciful and loving, but can we say that when he punishes he looses the virtue of love? Or when he established laws to guide social morality, did it mean that he had lost it against mercy? I feel the time is ripe for us not to create double standards by taking such lame stands under the guise of protecting the minority especially if those stands contradict the ethical values of the majority. Let it not be lost to us that each individual within society belongs to some form of minority by virtue of having some form of personal ethical belief.However for the sake of advancing social harmony we accept the negative social perception against those beliefs and try to keep them under control. That is how societies have survived.
Posted by: Pastor M | March 24, 2010, 6:44 am 6:44 am
Two thousand years of subliminal hatred. Read: In His Name by E Christopher Reyes. It tells of the good, the bad, and the ugly.
Posted by: Ed | June 3, 2010, 7:37 pm 7:37 pm