Plans to Burn Koran: Free Speech — or Hate Speech?
Florida pastor Terry Jones' stated plan to stage a Koran-burning on the anniversary of 9/11 has created a tremendous ripple effect. Suddenly the leaders of American foreign policy, including the secretary of state and one of the country's top generals, are commenting on the actions of a tiny religious congregation. So tonight we ask you: Should Jones back down, his point having been made? Or does his right to express himself by burning a book trump all other considerations?
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He has the right to do so!!!!!!! Burn two or three of them
Posted by: Greg | September 7, 2010, 11:18 pm 11:18 pm
The Obama Admin won’t participate in the National Day of Prayer, but we hold up Islam during Ramadan? What is wrong with this leadership? If Muslims burn our flag, why can’t we burn their Koran?Not the “Christian” way to go about this, but they did kill 3,000 Americans on 9/11, it’s his right, Burn Baby Burn…
Posted by: Darryl | September 7, 2010, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm
I think he should back down. This is not what Christianity is all about. Jesus is about love not hate. This is truly a hateful act. There is no love in it. No love for our country because such a public display only reflects badly on us to the rest of the world. We should always want to put our best foot forward. No love for Christ because it is a gross misrepresentation of every scripture in the Bible. No love for himself, there must be some deep seeded hatred brewing within him and he needs prayer and guidance to get past it. The Bible says Be ye kind to oneanother, Tender hearted, FORGIVING oneanother even as Christ has forgiven us. Who are we to look at the events of 9/11 and judge any one. Burning the Quran serves no purpose but to perpetuate fear and hate. Both against the principals of BOTH religions.The events of 9/11 were tragic and oustandingly unfortunate. However, displaying hate is not the way to remember out fallen citizens. The families deserve better. Our country deserves better. It’s bad enough that these poor families have to relive this tragedy year after year. Then to desecrate the memorials of their loved ones with such a ridiculous act makes it worse. Who is he doing this for? What is his purpose? We are to be about our Father’s business and this is not what He meant. God is in the healing business, the love business, the forgiving business. What he should be doing is reaching out to those in his area that may have been directly affected by 9/11 and providing further counseling, a place of sanctuary where they can come and feel at peace in their hearts. God is not going to be glorified in this at all.
Posted by: Concerned Christian | September 7, 2010, 11:30 pm 11:30 pm
This is an obscene action. Burning the Koran is a return to the bad old days of the Inquisition. How far are Americans now from lynching Muslims? This is endangering US efforts abroad to win the hearts and minds of Muslims, although invading Afghanistan and Iraq has done more damage than this ever will. Muslims have long memories and symbols like this mean something. My mother lives in Gainesville, Florida and I don’t want to see that become a target for revenge.
Posted by: Gary Crethers | September 7, 2010, 11:31 pm 11:31 pm
Um do those that follow the Koran and shout “death to America” while burning an American flag ask if it’s ok to do so? No, they do not. May God give this pastor the power to continue in his statement for one Nation Under God. Burn baby burn!!!!!!
Posted by: Rhonda | September 7, 2010, 11:32 pm 11:32 pm
Time for us (Christians) to take a stand!
Burn them.
Posted by: Tim | September 7, 2010, 11:43 pm 11:43 pm
I am very saddened by some of there comments. They show true hatred, ignorance and a misunderstanding of Christianity. This ignorance and misunderstanding has become a plague in this great country. It is unfortunate that the actions of the few ignorant people in this great country get picked up by the media in this way. It makes us all look bad and will condemn America and all of her citizens to a future of exclusion in the world.
Posted by: John | September 7, 2010, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm
I dont believe the 1st amendment be used to protect people who wish to protest against funerals or religions. No good comes of it, and it really affects other peoples rights to gather peaceably.
Posted by: Sam | September 7, 2010, 11:56 pm 11:56 pm
@Cassie
And if you actually read the Koran, you’d know that you’re either a follower of this “faith” or a deadly enemy of all muslims. You are actually considered a disbelieving infidel and no amount of words can save you from that.
This country has always had room for book burnings and counter-protests. It’s what we’re about… The reaction in the muslim world, by just about everyone there, continues to be violence and intolerance.
It’s not about stooping down to anyone’s level, it’s about being forced down on our knees. About loosing the very ideals this country has been founded on.
Burn baby… burn.
Posted by: John | September 7, 2010, 11:56 pm 11:56 pm
This will truly be one of the most disgusting acts that anyone has done in a while. The religion this man teaches requires us to accept all people, and not to judge anyone because god is the only one allowed to pass judgment. Terry Jones is the quintessential extremist. What sets him apart from the people that burn flags? An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. We may have freedom is speech but sometimes its better to keep your mouth shut. He should be excommunicated immediately. No person with this much hate should be allowed to be a pastor in ANY church.
Posted by: outraged citizen | September 8, 2010, 12:04 am 12:04 am
People have a right to read or believe anything they want. What most people beleive where they live is what is excepted in their culture. They might not know anything else other than Muslim religion. Just because someone reads or believes in the Koran does not mean they are ready to bomb or blow up something. I believe in Christianity and I know some people who have a strict Muslim belief and they are good,kind people!(Definately not the same beliefs about the afterlife.) I do NOT think as a pastor he is sending a good message at all! I understand his anger for the innocent people that died or the terrorists who plotted it, I think everyone probably has some resentment. But that does not give you the right to try and get even with a belief, because its not a belief that is the problem, its a specific group of people. Until that group doesn’t exist (which will never happen completely) then the problem will always be there. Its how you handle it that can make it worse or better.
Posted by: Alyssa | September 8, 2010, 12:06 am 12:06 am
PLEASE, PLEASE cover this event live this Saturday!
Have representatives from ALL faiths and show the world our universal condemnation of this Nazi tactic.
PLEASE have our President address the nation AND all of ISLAM via Al Jazeera TV and explain that on this day, Patriot’s Day, we as a nation are ashamed of this act of disrespect for another’s holy scripture; however, we here in this FREE society must accept it as a hard held freedom of speech and expression. Explain further that this moron is a simple minded fundamentalist extremest much like those ammans on the fringe of Islam who are ignorant of their own scriptures and instead spread their own brand of faith among equally ignorant followers and incite them to act out the hatred that a simple mind breeds.
Posted by: chaz | September 8, 2010, 12:09 am 12:09 am
HATE SPEECH. What a jerk!!! I am surprised at you NIGHTLINE how you spelt Koran it’s QUR’AN …AN by the way I don’t really give two hoots what you are a christian a catholic, a pagan or a jew. None of you are right, not one. If I were to burn a bible cause of what the priests did in molesting the boys & girls. Or if the christians tell you how to talk to the jehovah wittnesses? Well who’s God is right? You should all sit back an do some soul seaching people an we have a constituion that say freedom of religion, so deal with it, it doesn’t say “YOUR RELIGION” but it was not religion that claimed 911 so If I were you pastor, preist,imam, budda, or your holy rat or whatever you want to call who or what your serve, some say GOD well tell your congregation the truth you hypocrites…Freedom you take from one you take from all…It was not Islam that flew the planes into buildings. Get a life…All I see is Christians again’st all religon. You christians think your religon is the only one. Your pathetic an the worst of the worst. This country is for all immigrants whom practice many religions an you need to stop your hatred of anyone else but you christians. Christians give religion a bad name except the word itself…God help you all. I say let them stay, they are citizens an have a right to buy public property an put up according to code whatever they want an that would be a mosque. So go back to your four walls an ask for forgiveness or get on your knees now…cause you all need it…Build the Mosque…your entitled!!!
Posted by: PJ | September 8, 2010, 12:11 am 12:11 am
yes it’s “legal”, but as a Christian u should respect all religions , just because the 9/11 catastrophe was caused by a group that are “Muslim” doesn’t mean they represent the majority. You are making a moral mistake, burning the bible would NEVER be acceptable no matter what a small group of Christians do , Jesus would not approve of what you’re trying to do
Posted by: omar | September 8, 2010, 12:14 am 12:14 am
Ahh yes, the Reich Wing again uses hate to express themselves. So much for caring about our troops in the region.
Posted by: Gary | September 8, 2010, 12:14 am 12:14 am
this is not anything more than a pjublicity thing with that pastor I believe in God my way they believe their way we have no rights to doubt their faith as they see it he needs to get a grip nd his followers are taken in by his message and are not men tally sound in my opinion
Posted by: Rosie | September 8, 2010, 12:17 am 12:17 am
Alan, please explain the actions of September 11, 2001 to me. It seems that you misunderstand the concepts of patriotism and loyalty- yes, these were individuals acting on that day, but they were acting for their countries on behalf of their beliefs. Please pick a loyalty, and stay true. You are the ignorant one to me.
Posted by: Kathleen Morgan | September 8, 2010, 12:17 am 12:17 am
I’d hope that if this ( Pastor) goes on with this charade he gets charged with a hate crime against all muslims.Besides, this man will endanger our troops overseas and place a target on Americans everywhere. So where is Homeland Security and why are they doing nothing to stop him? You have no first amendment rights when you endanger America. THIS IS HATE ANY WAY YOU LOOK AT IT, AND HAS NO PLACE IN THIS COUNTRY!! WE ARE ALL ONE UNDER THE SUN!!
Posted by: CARY LEE HACKETT | September 8, 2010, 12:18 am 12:18 am
Burn the Bible you burn a book, its letters are written on the tablets of our heart.
Burn the koran and you burn Islamic religion. Its letters are written on their mind.
Posted by: Michael A. | September 8, 2010, 12:19 am 12:19 am
In our current situation this is probably not a good idea. It’s just going to make people more angry and fuel the already raging fire. He’s going to do it regardless of negative feedback . If it wasn’t being advertised so publicly I would say go for it. The more we excercise our freedom of speech the better. Either way we’re screwed so more power to ‘em for doing it.
Posted by: Jennifer | September 8, 2010, 12:20 am 12:20 am
Burning a Koran is only going to make things worse. The war in Iraq would be for nothing when trying to establish peace in the territory and all that money and soldiers lives we lost is gone for nothing but only to do it over again. Moreover, there are around 2 billion Muslims in the world and if they start burning down churches and bibles, then there wont be any Christians in Egypt, home to millions of Coptic Christians, and many other places in the middle east. In the end, We are depended on the oil we get from the middle east and if such a absurd event is to happen the biggest consumer of petroleum won’t even have a drop to run its economy. It will make our economy more worse and plunge us into more chaos.
Posted by: Shah | September 8, 2010, 12:20 am 12:20 am
Of course Pastor Jones has a right to burn the Koran if he wants to, but I just don’t think it’s the Christian thing to do. To me, he’s just lowering himself to there level.
Posted by: C.O.Marrow | September 8, 2010, 12:22 am 12:22 am
Those of you saying it is ok — I BLAME YOU when our men and women DIE in Afghanistan and when the war comes HERE I BLAME YOU again
Are you all really THAT filled with hatred and ignorance??
You are showing Osama he was right – Shame on you
Posted by: Courtney | September 8, 2010, 12:24 am 12:24 am
Pray for peace dont insite a riot over their bible leave them to their beliefs and the important thing here is we have soldiers still in the country that will suffer for his wrong doings and possibly on our soil here at home stop his finatical thoughts and stop his burning of the Koran he wants a bonfire send him marsh mellows to burn hes a weird person and hes not sending out a Christian message its a selfish idea hes like the guy that had brainwashed the people in the sweat lodge that died
Posted by: Rosie | September 8, 2010, 12:24 am 12:24 am
Here is a grown man, a supposed man of God, behaving like a child. You broke my toy so I’m going to break yours. Oh, and if that’s not enough, let me throw the broken pieces at innocent by-standers! Judge not, Pastor Jones, lest ye be judged.
Posted by: Trisha | September 8, 2010, 12:24 am 12:24 am
(Re:) Cassie – You are absolutely right. But the blood is on his hands not ours. He’ll do what he feels is right. Our opinions no longer matter. It seems to me that’s probably what he wants or he wouldn’t make it public. He would have just walked out his backdoor and burned it. They’re already p***ed off at the world and his burning such a sacred book publicly to prove a point is just going to fuel their anger. It’s as if he’s smirking in their faces knowing that it would make the news and cause such a huge contraversy. Yes indeed. I do believe that is exactly what he wants.
Posted by: Jennifer | September 8, 2010, 12:27 am 12:27 am
Country comes before Religion. Simple fact. They have a right to burn the Koran. Its a freedom of speach in this country guaranteed to us by the Constitution. Faith comes from within. The Koran is just a book. So what if ones is burned. It is merely a way to ones self and God. If they are so insecure in their faith, maybe they should change their beliefs.
Posted by: David T | September 8, 2010, 12:28 am 12:28 am
Ir is obvious that no one is right here: but tell me: who was right and who was wrong on 9/11/01?
Posted by: Kathleen Morgan | September 8, 2010, 12:30 am 12:30 am
If a mosque had a Bible burning, then does anyone think that the FBI would need to protect it from thousands of real and lethal threats, including the resulting religious ruling of a personal death sentence conviction from a Christian leader placed on the head of the Imam responsible for such an activity? Wake up America.
Posted by: Bob | September 8, 2010, 12:30 am 12:30 am
Yes America is about freedom, but what about our people who are over there? Having them fight for our freedom doesn’t mean we can be stupid. And is he trying to get us bombed again? Think of the retaliation. Would you want your bible burnt, regardless of the religion let’s try to be tolerant of each other. It would also be like burning our constittution that is what governs our laws.
Posted by: serena | September 8, 2010, 12:32 am 12:32 am
The holy Koran should NOT be burned because the Koran itself identifies Christ as the only person who can show us how to get to heaven. The Koran is an invaluable book for Christians dialoging with Muslims. See:
The Camel: How Muslims are Coming to Faith in Christ!Author: Kevin Greeson
Publisher: WIGTake Resources, LLC
ISBN-13: 978-0-9747562-9-5
Posted by: Alex | September 8, 2010, 12:32 am 12:32 am
If I ain’t mistaken burning a book (religious or otherwise) is not actually freedom of speech. This man is going to insite a riot maybe they can arrest him for that!
Posted by: Serena | September 8, 2010, 12:34 am 12:34 am
Alan….well said. Just because this is a faith not of a Christianity base, or the norm in America it does not mean it is ok to damn it nor are the followers of the faith all terrorists.
We are Americans and we we’re always respected as leaders in our world. Setting examples across the globe in freedom, peaceful resolve, righteousness, strength, and tolerance, this what our country was always respected for.
The reverend is only attempting to gain a personal attention, he is very arrogantly defying the word of God! His mission should be to spread the word of God and I personally do not believe God would condone his actions.
Also I believe if his actions indirectly cause harm to any one American, at home or abroad he should pay for the repercussions of his actions and errant ways!
Posted by: Richard Cooke | September 8, 2010, 12:35 am 12:35 am
I don’t believe Jesus would burn the
Koran. Although I don’t agree with
its message, I would not desecrate their book. It will only cause hard
feelings and more conflict between them
and us. Jesus loves them also. We can
share our faith with them and treat them
with kindness. Nowhere in the New Testament do you see Christians burning
other people’s books or objects.
Ginger
Ginger
Posted by: Ginger Vegors | September 8, 2010, 12:35 am 12:35 am
I don’t believe this man and his group should be allowed to burn the
Koran. Think of all the violence and
hardship non-Muslims will experience
around the world!
Ginger
Posted by: Ginger Vegors | September 8, 2010, 12:39 am 12:39 am
first of all the spelling of the book is Quran. i do believe this man needs to be dealt with , with law enforcement, also it is true america has freedom of speach, but i believe certain parts should be changed, just like the men that stood on a corner in NEW York and wished death to the United States, they should be arested and put in jail, we are to respect everyones religion and treat people with respect. thats what is wrong with the world today , no respect , no one cares anymore. if people do not change their ways this world will not be here much longer. so heads up people and pay attention to everything thats going on in the world, i think god is trying to get our attention before something really major happens . god bless everyone.
Posted by: gail kohr | September 8, 2010, 12:39 am 12:39 am
Any document framed in “absolute terms” as much of the Constitution, Bill of Rights and the Amendments to the Constitution are, will present contradictions in today’s more complex world.
Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Speech (Expression)
are fundamental rights of all Americans.
How can we say which is “more important” when there seems to be
a contradiction?
In my opinion “Freedom of Religion” is one of the very fundamental
rights of all Americans – a concept at the heart of the founding of our great nation.
The desecration of the Sacred Text of another of the World’s major religions, one which, in fact, recognizes the same Supreme Being as Christianity and Judaism, violates that freedom and must be called by what it is:
“A Hate Crime”.
As a Christian, I do not believe that flags are sacred documents,
nor do I believe that Islam or the Koran killed 3000 innocents.
What would Jesus ask us to do?
Posted by: Rob | September 8, 2010, 12:40 am 12:40 am
I respectfully disagree- It is about time that we stood up for ourselves and stop being bullied. We are SO patient, and SO accepting of others, that we are now the horses’ asses of the world. Face it; we have fallen behind in every aspect. Even the Canadien dollar is more valuable than ours! When are we going to stand up to the world? We are wusses hiding behind a wuss president!
Posted by: Kathleen Morgan | September 8, 2010, 12:42 am 12:42 am
ONE ADDED THING….Those that comment “they burn our flag we’ll burn their book”….think about it…. those are the bad apples in the bunch and you are falling into the same following with the “eye for an eye” attitude you take!
Posted by: Richard Cooke | September 8, 2010, 12:45 am 12:45 am
“Where they burn books, they will ultimately also burn people.”
Heinrich Heine, 1921
Posted by: Les Varese | September 8, 2010, 12:46 am 12:46 am
Just because this is a faith not of a Christianity base, or the norm in America it does not mean it is ok to damn it nor are the followers of the faith all terrorists.
We are Americans and we we’re always respected as leaders in our world. Setting examples across the globe in freedom, peaceful resolve, righteousness, strength, and tolerance, this what our country was always respected for.
The reverend is only attempting to gain a personal attention, he is very arrogantly defying the word of God! His mission should be to spread the word of God and I personally do not believe God would condone his actions.
Also I believe if his actions indirectly cause harm to any one American, at home or abroad he should pay for the repercussions of his actions and errant ways!
Posted by: Richard Cooke | September 8, 2010, 12:46 am 12:46 am
Any person expressing his/her freedom of expression concerning other faiths must consider the global impact of such an act. I do not believe that it is in the best interest of American citizens or others for an individual to perform an act that could produce hate or possibly a holy war.
Posted by: Gene | September 8, 2010, 12:52 am 12:52 am
Richard, Have you been overseas lately? Us Americans are hardly respected, revered, or asked for our opion_ on the contrary; Americans have fallen into disrespect as of late. We need ro fix our image, obviously.
Posted by: Kathleen Morgan | September 8, 2010, 12:53 am 12:53 am
Kathleen,
When were you last overseas? Did you go anywhere off the tourist track to really see overseas?
Posted by: Bob | September 8, 2010, 1:01 am 1:01 am
I love how the “Free Speech” excuse for doing everything and anything goes! Jesus said there would be false teachers, preachers in the end times…WAKE UP CHRISTIANS!! KNOW YOUR BIBLE better than your travel itinerary!! Jesus was about LOVE..look what He did for US ( yes, EVERYONE of us, yes, Muslims too!) on the cross and He did NOTHING wrong! We are called to Love everyone, not do hate crimes…this is despicable to call your self Christian and make YOURSELF God, Pastor Jones to eliminate “evil”..sorry, only God is God and YOU are not! Please don’t get on national TV and say Jesus would do that! Yes, He got angry, but He did NOT SIN! I pray that God will reveal to you the potential consequences of your actions….I have dear friends in Afghanistan who are giving up their lives for those people…to MINISTER to them., as well as our troops.THAT”S what Jesus would do! My Prayer is for you as well. Jan
Posted by: Jan Jones | September 8, 2010, 1:18 am 1:18 am
Looking at it from the Christian point of view, Jesus states to love the sinner, hate the sin. Many times he turned his ‘cheek’ to those that persecuted him, all the way up to crucifiction. The so called pastor stated that he believes that Jesus would do this, I don’t. I believe that Jesus would not do something that could potentially kill innocent people just to prove a point.
Looking at this from the ‘freedom of speech’ point of view, yes, we have freedom of speech, but we don’t have the freedom to yell ‘fire’ in a crowded building. We don’t have the freedom to incite a riot. We don’t have the ‘freedom’ to say whatever we want or do whatever we want if that action or word is going to cause harm.
I do not understand how people could just think only of themselves and not humanity. This country is not about freedom anymore, it’s about getting what you want regardless of who might get hurt in the process.
Posted by: Lyn | September 8, 2010, 1:19 am 1:19 am
Bob, Yes, I was a student living in a household whose views on Americans were clear. Unique situation- but you have to see it from their perspective.
Posted by: Kathleen Morgan | September 8, 2010, 1:22 am 1:22 am
I am a proud American wasn’t born here however grew up here. Lve the way of life, since I was little our military intrigued me and even more did our constitution. I was born in a secular nation an ally of the western world even closer than Isreal. Hey who cares I fought fr this nations freedoms and I would no matter what never ever desecrate Antibes race religion nor creed. I was born a Muslim hey to each his own however I’m non practicing ignorance on either side isn’t the anser. As an 11 B American fighting man I’m disgraced to see someone so ignorant praise the words of god to so many this goes both ways. He is doing nothing but creating more problems and showing intolerance, actions those unbecoming of a religious man. If a Muslim were to desecrate another book of faith in true Islam this would be frowned on as that person would probably be ousted from his/ her community. I was raised by my grandmother a woman who believes in faith I was raised to believe in all faiths as they are related and equal and peaceful. I am a soldier I live everyday with my own. This ignorant man how strong is he to live with what he is about to create with his ignorance. Probably not much in the back woods .
Posted by: Recon | September 8, 2010, 1:33 am 1:33 am
I disagree with the pastors decision to burn Qurans. It serves no purpose, but provoking Muslims. It is not done in a spirit of love. Therefore, it should not be done. And just as many Muslims don’t want their religion defined by a few misguided people, they should not use this event as an excuse to incite violence or hatred towards America or Christians.
While the pastor has the attention of the Muslim world, he should humbly back down from burning the Quran but also remind the muslim world how many muslim nations are guilty of intolerance, injustice, and murder. This is not just my opinion. Try having a public bible reading in Saudi Arabia. I believe that most Americans are not ignorant islamphobic haters. Instead, some of this extreme behavior by a few is driven by a fear of the religious oppression that we see in many muslims countries today.
Posted by: Joe | September 8, 2010, 1:38 am 1:38 am
RESPECT THE RELIGIOUS BELIEFS OF OTHERS.
Tolerance is a good cornerstone on which to build human relationships. When one views the slaughter and suffering caused by religious intolerance down all the history of Man and into modern times, one can see that intolerance is a very non-survival activity.
Religious tolerance does not mean one cannot express his own beliefs. It does mean that seeking to undermine or attack the religious faith and beliefs of another has always been a short road to trouble.
Philosophers since the times of ancient Greece have disputed with one another about the nature of God, Man and the universe. The opinions of authorities ebb and flow: just now the philosophies of “mechanism”1 and “materialism”2—dating as far back as Ancient Egypt and Greece—are the fad: they seek to assert that all is matter and overlook that, neat as their explanations of evolution may be, they still do not rule out additional factors that might be at work, that might be merely using such things as evolution. They are today the “official” philosophies and are even taught in schools. They have their own zealots who attack the beliefs and religions of others: the result can be intolerance and contention.
If all the brightest minds since the fifth century B.C. or before have never been able to agree on the subject of religion or anti-religion, it is an arena of combat between people that one would do well to stay out of.
In this sea of contention, one bright principle has emerged: the right to believe as one chooses.
“Faith” and “belief” do not necessarily surrender to logic: they cannot even be declared to be illogical. They can be things quite apart.
Any advice one might give another on this subject is safest when it simply asserts the right to believe as one chooses. One is at liberty to hold up his own beliefs for acceptance. One is at risk when he seeks to assault the beliefs of others, much more so when he attacks and seeks to harm them because of their religious convictions.
Man, since the dawn of the species, has taken great consolation and joy in his religions. Even the “mechanist” and “materialist” of today sound much like the priests of old as they spread their dogma.
Men without faith are a pretty sorry lot. They can even be given something to have faith in. But when they have religious beliefs, respect them.
The way to happiness can
become contentious when one
fails to respect the religious
beliefs of others.
1. 1. mechanism: the view that all life is only matter in motion and can be totally explained by physical laws. Advanced by Leucippus and Democritus (460 B.C. to 370 B.C.) who may have gotten it from Egyptian mythology. Upholders of this philosophy felt they had to neglect religion because they could not reduce it to mathematics. They were attacked by religious interests and in their turn attacked religions. Robert Boyle (1627–1691), who developed Boyle’s Law in physics, refuted it by raising the question as to whether or not nature might have designs such as matter in motion.
2. 2. materialism: any one of a family of metaphysical theories which view the universe as consisting of hard objects such as stones, big or very small. The theories seek to explain away such things as minds by saying they can be reduced to physical things or their motions.
Materialism is a very ancient idea. There are other ideas.
Posted by: Tom Goedeke | September 8, 2010, 1:38 am 1:38 am
I am a strong, practicing Christian and I’m absolutely appalled by the actions of this “so-called” pastor. None of the Christian people I have spoken with lately about this issue are in agreement with it. It is shocking and completely contrary to Biblical principle!!!
I’m in disagreement with the building on the mosque on ground zero because of the inadvisability of it. I’m opposed to the plans by this church because of the reckless stupidity of it!
Posted by: Alice C | September 8, 2010, 1:41 am 1:41 am
Tom. very well said! If only you were the word,,, Just wish everyone would prescribe to your beliefs- then all would be well, no matter which god we profess to. Whatever God Bless you! KAM
Posted by: Kathleen Morgan | September 8, 2010, 1:47 am 1:47 am
I hate to see both points of view on this, because it is his right to do what he feels will express himself, but i think he should consider how he makes he makes not only himself look, but Christians, and his country men look.
We are viewed negatively across the globe because of stupid acts of hatred towards one people. Yes the Quran says those who are not of faith are infidels, but the christian bible says its a sin to wear multi fabric clothing.
This is all so stupid, i need to get the hell outta florida. Im going to make it my life goal to be canadian, id rather deal with all that.
Posted by: Matt | September 8, 2010, 1:53 am 1:53 am
The Koran belongs to the deserts. We don’t need the Koran here not if you want to live under the Desert’s Sharia Law!
Pastor Jones is defending the Constitution of America courageously against the Desert’s Sharia Law and Pastor Jones should be hailed as a great pastor/hero!
The USA has a half-past-6 general who couldn’t defend the Constitution of USA and pastor Jones against Sharia Law. It’s time to recall this hp6 general!
Posted by: sparrow | September 8, 2010, 2:06 am 2:06 am
It is indeed a shame that one person like Terry Jones can incite such hate against 1/6th of the world. The Oklahoma bombers were also white and Christians. So per TJ’a logic should he not also do the same to the Bible as he now wants to do to the Koran. Both will be wrong and should be condemned. Inciting fear or hatred is not protected speech. Yelling fire in a crowded theatre is not protected speech. TJ is a lunatic and should be arrested and locked up.
All Muslims are not evil nor us any book evil. The people that act by misinterpreting the book, what ever that book is, are evil if they commit crimes and only those specific people committing crimes should be caught and punished. Acts of individuals cannot hold an entire group responsible.
WHERE was this lunatic TJ when we had the Oklahoma City bombing?
This TJ is a hypocrite and a lunatic.
Only a facist would think of burning books, any book.
SHAME ON ALL THOSE WHO SUPPORT OR CONDONE TJ.
THIS ACT OF STUPIDITY ONLY HURTS US AS A NATION AND PEOPLE. SO FEW LIKE TJ SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO PLACE ALL OF US IN PERIL, INCLUDING THE MEN AND WOMEN IN THE ARMED FORCES AND OTHER AMERICAN CIVILIANS OVERSEAS..
SUCH ACTS LIKE TJS SHOULD BE MADE A CLASS ONE FELONY WITH A SENTENCE OF LIFE IN PRISON.
ONE PERSON LIKE TJ CANNOT IN PERIL THE REST OF US.
FREEDOM OF SPEECH CANNOT BE USED IN THIS WAY LIKE TJ IS PLANNING TO DO. WITH FREEDOM LIKE WE HAVE IN AMERICA ALSO COMES WITH IT RESPONSIBLITY AND ACCOUNTABILITY
SHAME ON THIS TJ AND HIS SUPPORTERS.
PEOPLE LIKE TJ AND HIS SUPPORTERS ARE THE REAL ENEMIES OF AMERICA.
SHAME.
Posted by: annonymous | September 8, 2010, 2:06 am 2:06 am
This is just ignorance and intolerance, that’s all. For every ignorant and intolerant action there is an ignorant and intolerant reaction. This will just continue until the end of time. I will say that there is nothing Christian about this so-called “Christian” Quran-burning group. Christ would have never approved. It’s contrary to everything he taught.
Posted by: Kendall | September 8, 2010, 2:10 am 2:10 am
Pastor Jones is defending the Constitution of America courageously against the Desert’s Sharia Law and Pastor Jones should be hailed as a great pastor/hero!
The USA has a half-past-6 general who couldn’t defend the Constitution of USA and pastor Jones against Sharia Law. It’s time to recall this hp6 general!
Posted by: sparrow | September 8, 2010, 2:10 am 2:10 am
It just shows the true face of the USA and it’s obscure “christian” groups!
As a true christian I’m opposed to this because it’s all but christian!
Where they burn books they’ll be burning people soon!
I can only hope this’ll cost you biased lot dearly!!!!!!!
Posted by: Mellie | September 8, 2010, 2:12 am 2:12 am
This isn’t a new question. What principle should prevail, peace or freedom? Choose, America! A hard question, indeed. But the question is already answered in this country. We’re already committed! Our forefathers chose freedom. If they’d chosen peace, we would still be under British rule. If our own grandfathers and fathers had chosen peace, the world would have fallen to Hitler. Contemporary leaders who advocate peace over freedom, are (knowingly or not) rejecting the fundamental precedence that IS America.
If this is the path we are to take, let us not be hypocrites. Let’s do it right. Rewrite our founding documents, and change our national anthem–we are no longer the land of the free, nor the home of the brave; We are now the land of the submissive and the home of the cowards. I know that sentiment will fill me with wonder at the next firework show. Submit to Islam, for that is the only way to sustain peace against this, the latest threat to man’s God-given freedom. How does that sound as a political platform?
This rural pastor in Georgia does not plan to physically harm a single person, yet he’s being told to stop because others will kill as a result of his political statement. Let the world judge: who is a larger threat? These Georgians aren’t hanging people, there are no lynchings, and they are not shooting anyone. They are making a political statement–a statement about an idea. Agree or not, as Americans we must defend our citizens’ right to express their opinions, or we are not Americans.
The military should be deployed to respond to threats of violence against them. Our leaders swore an oath to defend the cause of freedom, not the cause of peace.
So come on, Mr. President, you promised. You promised. Protect us, Mr. President. Protect our citizens. I don’t agree with them, but I understand that you promised to protect them. Deploy the troops, and let them say what they intend to say. And let us allow them to say it.
Let us be angry with them and decry their political views and religious convictions, but all the while let us defend their right to express their views in whatever unharmful way they wish as long as they wish to do so.
Posted by: Joe | September 8, 2010, 2:14 am 2:14 am
I think Terry Jones is making an important point.
While I find his act disrespectful I fully respect his right to perform it. We see this ALL the time in the West. Atheist artists have constantly made obscene pictures of nuns, placed crucifixes in urine, just to name a few. Most of these cases did not even reach mainstream media. Why? Mainly because Christians are specifically forbidden from going out and performing violence against the artist. Why do we worry in this case? Because we KNOW Muslims will react violently. We are in fact, afraid of angering Muslims. It is bowing down to blackmail.
If Islam is truly a peace loving religion this act will pass without consequence. If it is not then we should cease to hold-up appearances and understand what we are up against.
Posted by: Sebastian | September 8, 2010, 2:23 am 2:23 am
Do unto others as you would like them to do unto you!
Posted by: DT | September 8, 2010, 2:33 am 2:33 am
Why is Islam the only religion that gets a free pass when it comes to violence?
Today, a bunch of Muslims in Kabul burned an American flag, a scene that has been repeated on Muslim streets for decades.
Muslims flew planes into the WTC on 9/11 and we are now worried about what they think of us. There is something very perverted about that way of thinking.
This whole stunt by the guy in Florida is meant to show the absurdity of the Ground Zero Mosque proposal. By doing something equally distasteful, yet legal, he is showing the mosque supporters and builders what it feels like to have such an offensive act perpetrated under the protection of free speech.
Some argue that this act of burning korans is more offensive than building the mosque near Ground Zero but those people are nearly uniformly mosque supporters. Opponents of the mosque know that burning korans is offensive but see it in the same light as building Park51 on the site where 3,000 Americans were killed in the name of Islam.
Some have said that because it is two blocks away, it should not be considered a graveyard. However, those of us who remember that day know otherwise. After being burned alive, suffocated, crushed, or falling to their deaths, the inhabitants of the towers were pulverized into dust and ash, much of which covered the site of the proposed mosque. That dust is all that is left of nearly 40% of the victims in the towers because the destruction was so great that no identifiable remains were found.
It’s a graveyard.
Burning korans is offensive, yet legal.
So is building a mosque on the graves of 3,000 Americans killed in the name of Islam.
Faisal Abdul Rauf should do the right thing and move his proposed mosque. That would calm tensions around the world and prevent stuff like the koran burning from occurring. But, I suspect he will not and this rift will only escalate until it becomes a full blown war of cultures.
Regardless of what is done in the name of free speech, anyone who commits an act of violence owns that act in its entirety. Burning books, showing photos, or drawing cartoons cannot be accepted as the impetus for violence. If you commit a violent act, you alone are to blame.
Posted by: Philip | September 8, 2010, 2:42 am 2:42 am
why are majority of terrorists muslims? they want to establish an islamic world. why cant muslim leaders stop young muslims from going into terrorism? can anybody answer me?
Posted by: gemcyn | September 8, 2010, 3:00 am 3:00 am
Yes he has a right to Burn any book
he pleases. Freedom of Speach.
This Country and it’s Constitution were built on Christian Ideals and Morals.
The word “God” is used all throughout the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. I do not see any mention of “Alah” or any other Towel Head.
Why must we constantly bow down to Anyone who doesn’t like us in fear of reprisals. We are who we are because of Christianity. Why should we accept anything less. When we begin to accept anything less, it’s the beginning of the End. “God Bless America”.
Posted by: Paul F. | September 8, 2010, 3:03 am 3:03 am
With all the conspiracy theories regarding 9-11 we will never know what really happened. As a Muslim I cannot condone murder,religous intolerance and bigotry.rev jones is a bigot of the worst kind.
Posted by: Faiz | September 8, 2010, 3:05 am 3:05 am
what ever you do. no matter how much you try allah will protect his religion , will protect his words which is quran. quran will not be eliminated nor islam
Posted by: zen | September 8, 2010, 3:11 am 3:11 am
I actually agree with Pastor Jones’s message, but I don’t see how burning someone else’s holy book serves any godly purpose.
Posted by: Curtis | September 8, 2010, 3:13 am 3:13 am
Islam is not a religion it is am ideology of hate like Nazism. Evidence all the atrocities which have been committed in the name of Islam. Stop appeasement of Islam – Islam does not play by the same rules as us. Therefore let us play by their rules. Let’s show them we mean business stop the islamidication of the West burn their manual of operations a.k.a. the Koran
Posted by: Al Danino | September 8, 2010, 3:14 am 3:14 am
This is totally wrong. What good can come from this? Absolutely nothing… You don’t fight hate with hate. Do we want Anyone burning Holy Bibles? 9/11 was a tragedy but we must move forward for the better. NOT go back and start hatred in this country of ours. That’s the last thing we need in these times. God bless us with all these Radicals using God for their evil propagandas.
Posted by: Carlos | September 8, 2010, 3:16 am 3:16 am
Our country was founded upon the right to freedom of religion, and if Terry Jones chose to read the Koran he might find a great deal of common ground with his Christian faith. He says he has been praying about this. I say he needs to pray much more. And after that, he needs to listen to what God has to say back. I share his disgust with extremism, but the violence of terrorism is not consistent with the tenets of the Koran. It is like saying that we should burn the Holy Bible because of the Oklahoma City bomber.
Posted by: Candace Carter | September 8, 2010, 3:20 am 3:20 am
I can’t believe the total lack of intelligence and sensitivity in some of these fanatical people in our country and the total hypocrisy they have no quams in displaying. Do they not see the total fools they are making of themselves and the “so called” religion they claim to be so devoted to while they manage to blaspheme it and every other organized religion that professes it’s devotion to God and Country. Where is the “REALITY” in all of this? It has totally illuded these people and the poor souls that follow them I can not fathom the depth of this whole movement, it’s disgusting and just plain WRONG!
Posted by: Vernette Griffee | September 8, 2010, 3:29 am 3:29 am
Free speech is a right that must be used responsibly. If this small minority goes forward with their plan – in spite of the knowledge that doing so will lead to an increase in hostility and possibly even attacks against US citizens – they are as guilty of reckless endangerment as someone falsely shouting out, “FIRE!” in a crowded building.
Posted by: Deb | September 8, 2010, 5:06 am 5:06 am
Furthermore, burning the Koran will not stop extremism, rather it is a form of extremism – an “our religion is better than yours” attitude that only creates more hate.
Christianity is supposed to be about love.
Posted by: Deb | September 8, 2010, 5:15 am 5:15 am
I strongly condemn burning of Quran or any religious scriptures any where in the world. We are representative of free world we should be exemplary to the world. It was sad and very tragic time in our history when we were attacked and many of our brothers, sisters, fellow citizens lost their lives because of a few crazy fundamentalist! Forgiveness is bigger than revenge, let’s not forget that. Burning Quran is totally hate-crime and not freedom of expression.
Posted by: Athiest | September 8, 2010, 5:46 am 5:46 am
He has the right to but is he doin it for the right reasno or to just make a scene. Would it bug you more or less if they where burnin bibles instead of flags. Evil stuff has happen because of realigan so let you might as well burn the cathilic bible too….
Posted by: sam | September 8, 2010, 6:12 am 6:12 am
ok we all hate the extremist of islam who bomb people and them selves…but why don’t the moderate muslims stand up and protest against the crazys that give their ideology a bad name….you don’t see any muslim speaking openly against violence…and the extreme views of islam marching in the streets!!!hopefully this will spark productive discussion????time will tell
Posted by: creature | September 8, 2010, 6:24 am 6:24 am
During World War II, there was this novelty song titled “Der Fuhrer’s Face.” One line went: “A wood kimono for the Mikado/A mausoleum for Mussloin(i).”
How is this any different?
What part of “we are at war” don’t you far-lefties understand? And “an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind”? I agree with Sister Souljah instead: Two wrongs don’t make a right, but they damn sure make it even.
And LOL @ the openly gay mayor of Gainesville, Craig Lowe, attacking Pastor Jones on this – when if the Muslims had their way, Lowe would be stoned to death.
Posted by: Anthony | September 8, 2010, 6:28 am 6:28 am
Those who think, it’s correct because
some muslims are burning american flags and shouting “Death of America”, just think who are you comparing yourselves with?
Didn’t they also start with burning Ramayana(Hindu Hold Book) and Bible?
Someone once said “Those who burn books will finally end up buring people”.
Posted by: Saket | September 8, 2010, 6:41 am 6:41 am
Free speech. Plain and simple. Get used to it.
Posted by: Proud Native American and Angry Independent Voter | September 8, 2010, 7:09 am 7:09 am
Okay. I’d like to say a few things. First, it wasn’t “Muslims” who flew the planes into the Towers on 9/11. It was terrorists who claimed they did it for Allah. Terrorists trying to bring America down. Terrorists trying to show us that they didn’t like us, our culture, and our way of life. TRUE Muslims who practice Islam value life and what it stands for. They are a peaceful people and don’t believe in what the extremists are doing. Before you start to criticize someone else’s religion or views, understand them first. I am positive that this man has never even opened up the Koran, let alone try to understand the true religion. Not what those idiot terrorists claim Islam to be. Secondly, if this act of burning the Koran does happen, it will just prove that hatred and ignorance are plaguing our country. Burning the Koran will do nothing more than stir up the tension already brewing in the Middle East. Also, doing this will put our troops in extreme danger! Why doesn’t this man understand that?! Doesn’t it seem at all selfish to not care about the people who fight for you, every single day? Fight so you can say what you want, practice whatever religion you want, and go to whatever website you please, such as this one? Third, my opinion is that this is nothing more than an act of hate on the part of an “American” who should know and act better. If he wanted(wants) to do this then, by all means, go ahead BUT in the privacy of your own backyard or the church you attend. It is ignorance and pure immaturity that runs through this mans’ brain. Open up that Koran and read it before you go and burn it. Open up the Torah and read it. Open up your mind!
Posted by: Casey Messinger | September 8, 2010, 8:04 am 8:04 am
just because we have freedom of speech… doesn’t mean we should abuse it or take it for granted. burning any bible in any of the4 religions IS wrong. its not just a book, its a symbol of our history and where we come from.
Posted by: bob | September 8, 2010, 8:22 am 8:22 am
I cannot see the followers of Mohamed hurting a fly because of this book burning.
After all, Islam is a religion of peace.
Posted by: Andy | September 8, 2010, 8:28 am 8:28 am
Without the media’s help, no one outside of Gainesville, Florida would have heard of Terry Jones and his fringe evangelical church’s plan to burn the Koran, and this worldwide frenzy over the planned act would not exist. Why give such small-minded people a worldwide pulpit to spread their hateful views and perpetuate narrow-minded thinking. I’m sure there are more important and helpful stories the media can spread.
Posted by: Charles | September 8, 2010, 8:30 am 8:30 am
Just because we have the freedom to do so, doesn’t mean we should do the action.
Posted by: Bob | September 8, 2010, 8:38 am 8:38 am
Ah the conundrum of free speech. The world is free to mock Christianity but not Islam. To defile the Savior and crucifix as art but not Allah?
The pastor now has to match his bluster or else Islam will gain their victory over the worlds opinion.
The pastor must burn the Koran to establish that paper, glue and thread do not trump free speech and a free society.
He must burn the book.
Posted by: joewest666 | September 8, 2010, 8:58 am 8:58 am
Here is your proof that Obama is a closet Muslim. Would the administration be as upset if a group was burning Bibles? Not likely. They would call it a celebration of civil liberty … and the liberal news media would cheer them on.
Posted by: Gary | September 8, 2010, 8:58 am 8:58 am
If burning someones flag or religious artifacts is so objectionable and disrespectful I fail to see the need to do it, after all, the best revenge is not to be like our enemies.
Posted by: Marcus | September 8, 2010, 9:05 am 9:05 am
Ignorance. If people actually took the time to simply leaf through a Koran, they might realize that it contains the exact same message as the Bible, but with a different cast of characters. Islam is not the enemy, but rather, ignorance and a close minded world view.
Posted by: A decidedly non Muslim Christian | September 8, 2010, 9:13 am 9:13 am
He has the right to do so. It is un-american to deny him his right of free-expression. As far as sensitivity goes, what about the mosque near ground zero? How can people for that Mosque be apposed to the Koran burning. It is a question of sensitivity in both cases. I want to believe Islam is a peaceful religion and here is an excellent opportunity to prove that. So Islamic countries and people: Here’s your big chance!
PS: Why should the troops be in harms way because of a few people burning the Koran here? It is like blaming all Muslims and Islam for 9/11.
Posted by: Free Press | September 8, 2010, 9:32 am 9:32 am
I also will burn my own koran in my back yard
Posted by: melameslapolla | September 8, 2010, 9:33 am 9:33 am
And the Republicans get back in office due to Democrats’ embarrassing failure to manage their message- and voila! We’re in another war!
At least we (almost) finished one before the pendulum swung back… sigh.
Posted by: Tropunlim | September 8, 2010, 9:38 am 9:38 am
There needs to be a religion of common sense. If something is bad and you wouldn’t like it if it was done to you, then ‘DON’T DO IT’. Send that message in your everyday actions. Use your noggin people, most of this crap can be taught to kindergarten kids. Does the term ‘Blind leading the Blind’ ring a bell? How ’bout shortsighted ignorance?
Posted by: Marcus | September 8, 2010, 9:41 am 9:41 am
I don’t understand how anyone can stand behind this…yes, I understand what everyone is saying. Yes, what happend on 9/11 was very upsetting. This pastor says he is doing this to honor all the troops and other personnel who died on 9/11, but how many more troops are going to die due to this act of ignorance? Is it really necessary? Think about how many husbands, sons, fathers, wives, mothers, and daughters this man is going to take away from their families…
Posted by: Andi | September 8, 2010, 10:05 am 10:05 am
Though I am of a historic bible base spiritual orientation, freedom of religion is strong. To negate the results of Karon burning people true Christians should be burning Bibles along side the Koran, because extreme fundlementalist have destroyed peoples lives, in Oklahoma, and New York, and you do not need to have it grow in the US. Burn Bibles along with the Koran an it would delete the message of burning what is to extreme fundamentalists which destroy lives and will help to put out the fires.
Posted by: M Elliott | September 8, 2010, 10:12 am 10:12 am
It is a slap in the face to those who killed our people on 9/11. A slap to those who continue to kill our troops. The fanatics in islam vow to kill any one who defiles there religion, then lets see. Im for exposing the ignorant radicals and fighting it out. We should burn them in every town in Afghanistan and Iraq. There religion says that they have to die for it, then let them!!!!!!
Posted by: Tim | September 8, 2010, 10:14 am 10:14 am
If the burning of a book brings about a worldwide killing spree, the pastor’s point will have been made. Islam is a dangerous political movement and this fact needs to be exposed.
Posted by: Joseph | September 8, 2010, 10:23 am 10:23 am
Burning of any book is a desecration but if burning the Quaran gets America out of Afghanistan faster, it is worth the burn. Ian
Posted by: Ian Campbell | September 8, 2010, 11:09 am 11:09 am
It ‘s funny to see how the powerfull Americans are scary to burn a book.
Posted by: One | September 8, 2010, 11:15 am 11:15 am
Deryl, I like your attitude. I agree. We should learn first hand on both sides of an issue before commenting on it.
I’ve read some of the Quran, and definitely want to spend more time in it when I get a chance. It has some pretty terrible teachings. They are degrading to women, supportive of violence toward, and murder of, the infidel (non muslim). It says terrible things about Jews and pretty much equates them to dogs. It’s teachings seeem to remove individual enhancement and creativity from society.
I still need to read more. It probably also says some nice things too.
Posted by: Joseph | September 8, 2010, 11:37 am 11:37 am
I don’t see anything wrong with burning a Quran or Qurans. Is he right to do it? Yes he is! It’s perfectly legal to do it, there is no law in the U.S.A. stating you can’t burn a Quran, Bible, or any other religious book out there in the world. Is it disrespectful? Yes, is it wrong to do? No, it’s not otherwise we wouldn’t be having this discussion. I know there are better ways to express himself, but this is his ordeal. He may be an radical extremist but he has every right to do it. I know he is burning a holy book but he’s not burning a follower of Islam alive. Islam will survive after this episode in American history is over. People say that the troops overseas will come under more violence and death than there is now. Do you really think we are going to just stand there and take it, not to shoot back? Please. Soldiers were getting killed before this little incident and they will be continued to be a target as long as we are over there long afterwards. I know that everyone here does not want to see more violence and death of our troops, but it is what it is. The Arab countries will get over it, one man’s views and freedom to express doesn’t represent the U.S.A. as a whole. If you would have found out about this a few days, weeks or months afterwards, would you have really cared? Now it’s on the news and everyone is in an uproar. You have the freedom to express yourself in about every which way that is practical and this man is using this exact freedom this country is founded on. It is disrespectful and he could have found a better way but oh well just another embarrassing moment in our history. I say let this man make an ass out of himself and carry on, he’ll be long forgotten a few days, months or even years afterwards and nobody will really care what happened that day he burned the Quran.
It is the Soldier, not the minister
Who has given us freedom of religion.
It is the Soldier, not the reporter
Who has given us freedom of the press.
It is the Soldier, not the poet
Who has given us freedom of speech.
It is the Soldier, not the campus organizer
Who has given us freedom to protest.
It is the Soldier, not the lawyer
Who has given us the right to a fair trial.
It is the Soldier, not the politician
Who has given us the right to vote.
It is the Soldier who salutes the flag,
Who serves beneath the flag,
And whose coffin is draped by the flag,
Who allows the protester to burn the flag.
and lastly…………
It is the soldier, not the radical, who gives the extremist the freedom to express and make a fool of himself.
Posted by: oefoifvet | September 8, 2010, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
Screw all this Christian and Muslim stuff. It all boils down to one thing, they have a Constitutional right to do it like Muslims have a Constitutional right to build a mosque. End of story.
The Constitution is more important than hurt feelings.
Posted by: Lou | September 8, 2010, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm
Burning 2 buildings and killing 3,000 Americans was cause for celebration in most Middle East countries. We all saw it. Burning a religious book in symbolism does not compare, yet these same people are outraged at us? Time to stop walking on eggshells and making victims out of criminals in this country and in the international community. Political correctness may look good on the surface but we have traded it for our strength and respect. The rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness here are not secondary for honest, hard working patriotic Americans to the rights of criminals and murderers. And I see no illegality in doing so according to our constitution whether you agree with this action or not. Sharia law? It does not govern in The United States of America. If you want to live under Sharia law, live in a country where it does. There is plenty of square footage around the globe to do so elsewhere. Immigration does not deny culture but does not permit substitution of government and laws in the country you immigrate to. As has been said recently, it is time for America to return to being America.
Posted by: Rick | September 8, 2010, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
If someone wants to burn a copy of the Koran or any other book, it is their right to do so in accordance with the laws of freedom in this country. It is no one else’s damn business to interfere. An American has a right to buy the book and to burn it, or put it in the garbage, or use it for toilet paper, or whatever he wants. He bought the book, and it is his to do with, as he pleases. It can be any book, including the Koran.
Muslim resistance to this burning day is clear evidence of their anti-American disrespect for our freedoms and the laws of this country.
Posted by: Proud Native American and Angry Independent Voter | September 8, 2010, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm
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Posted by: CELENA | September 8, 2010, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm
One man in Florida burns a few books and we expect Muslims around the world to murder unrelated innocent people, many of whom may condemn the burning.
This seems crazy to me. Why is this not crazy to European and American leadership. There would be no similar outrage is a Muslim man burned Bibles, not by the atheist leaders of Europe and America. But, Christians wouldn’t likely riot and murder innocent people in response.
Posted by: JasonN | September 8, 2010, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
If that group of hate filled, narrow focused people actually do burn the Koran, in my opinion, it should be delt with as a hate crime. No more, no less.
Posted by: Sharon | September 8, 2010, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm
The pastor is too late, I already had my KORAN burnt. Now I am waiting for Allah to strike me down, Still waiting…
No Allah? Well, I guess he does not exist. Oh, I forgot mere mortals die like any one. When will this religion, I mean terrorist group, die?
Posted by: MohamMAD | September 8, 2010, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm
The Koran burning is a free-speech commentary on Barack Obama bowing to the king of Saudi Arabia.
Posted by: dom youngross | September 8, 2010, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
The Pastor is just another nut that wants a little publicity and will get it, as well as support from the other bigots that felt empowered to crawl out of their holes after Obama’s campaign.
The solution is not to cut off his publicity or to follow this recent trend to try to stop everything we don’t like. The solution is for him to show up with his supporters and for 10-20 times as many Christian opponents to show up protesting against him. This would tell the world that while we do grant all the freedom of speech the vast majority deplore this nut.
Posted by: Timothy Waddell | September 8, 2010, 8:08 pm 8:08 pm
I think the preacher is right about burning the Quran. If the muslims want to use our goverment and our constitution for their rights then they need to understand that this preacher is well within his constitutional rights to do so. Welcome to America! Why not put it to a poll?
Randy Edwards
Lake Charles, LA
Posted by: randy | September 8, 2010, 10:13 pm 10:13 pm
Yes, it’s not a very wise thing to do….
However, some things to note… For years there has been flag burning and vile protests in Islamic countries, where is our outrage?
We in the West, normally mock and ridicule normal believing Christians all the way up to the level of the Pope, where is our outrage?
The Liberal media and Democratic leaders are supportive for the most part when Muslims plan to build a mosque near ground zero? …against nearly 70% of Americans opposed
Someone depicts the Prophet Mohammed in cartons in Denmark and Muslims go bonkers worldwide.
Does any see where this is going? Are we forever going to keep appeasing Islam and pandering to it? Are we afraid of Islam?
While the Florida minister’s views are gravely wrong,however his actions raise some questions we all need to ask ourselves.
Posted by: wildflowerchicago | September 9, 2010, 2:46 am 2:46 am
This guy has the RIGHT to burn whatever he wants. My question is: Who started the coverage of a pastor who has less than 50 members and gave him all this PUBLICITY? Where is the responsible journalsim in this? Obviously there was none. As USUAL, just sensationalism. Why do the National Networks glorify this story as well? Don’t they realize the ramifications? I’m not saying we should bend to the will of others, but if they hadn’t started the buzz about this in the first place, there wouldn’t be any backlash to worry about.
Posted by: Jeffrey P. | September 9, 2010, 8:46 am 8:46 am
yes- building mosque is legal but not ethiocal. same way burning koran is legal but not ethical-
by the way burrnig usa flag is legal too- when Omama complained about this
FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS USA ALL ABOUT. IF YOU DONT LIKE GO BACK TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM
Posted by: LARRY | September 9, 2010, 9:16 am 9:16 am
why don’t they just let the old wound heal. There is much more good work to do than burning religious Holy Book, hurting peoples sentiment. People are dying of hunger due to cyclones, earthquakes, millions are hungry and homeless, sleeping in cold dark, under the sky. OK fine. you said you don’t give a damn, well go for it, GOD ALWAYS BLESS AMERICA
Posted by: Dave soma | September 9, 2010, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm
The situation will not improve if each side keeps escalating the hate and hurt. We have already sent our troops to hunt down the people who caused 9/11. This pastor’s time should be spent defusing the war between Religions instead of stirring up more problems. Just because you have the right to do something does not mean that you should. Hopefully common sense will prevail.
Posted by: George1911 | September 9, 2010, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
We as a Universe were all conceived in the same way – we were all born into this world the same way – we learned and grew to become People – Human Beings and we were all born with one thing in common – the freedom of Free Will to choose, to respect one another, and to give to those who are in need of any and all things necessary for life. Life has become about good versus evil and we are the fuel that makes it happen – by choice we did not choose peace we chose dishonor and bigotry to others. In this we have spat in the face of God – the same God of all persons, of all nationalities, and of all religions – he did not make the fighting of who is right or wrong – he did not tell you to hurt one another for being different – he wanted only peace for his world and the people in it.Through time there have been wars – senseless, painful wars that have taken the lives of people who were fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, sons, daughters and so forth. They did not ask to die for you or for the cause they died for – they did a job that they were called to do from one nation’s leader and they did it with tolerance and pain. These are the people who have died for peace and we have spat in their faces as well. People talk about radicals and extremists – they are worldwide and in all walks of life, nationality, and religion. There are some who do it in secret and some who do it bold in your face – but they are everywhere – and through time we have always answered them with more wrong doing.The saying to turn the cheek was meant for a reason – if one person rapes another, should we answer by doing the same – if one kills another, should we answer with the same – if one molests, ridicules, abuses, bullies, belittles, etc. and so forth – should we do the same ? We as humans know what is right and for some reason we still choose to do the wrong thing – why? Does it make a point for an answer to unnecessary pain caused to one and by one – or is it just a way we can say we are superior? And what in that answer makes us superior? We still created pain in another and we did it with malice and knowledge of wrong.We can stand in line face to face – you could burn my holy book and I can in turn burn yours – you could slap me in the face and I can in turn slap yours – you could cut off my arm and I could in turn cut off yours – you could take my life and in turn I would be dead – does that mean you win? Or does it just mean that you did it first, so you are superior? And what did you win – my life? What point did you make – what dream did you grant – what life did you better – what words and actions will make you superior in this world? You would only be known as the person who took a life needlessly to make a stand for something that should have been attacked by knowledge and common sense – reasoning and debates – understanding and acceptance of humans and life.September 11 was a horrific tragedy in history that was not caused by one – it was caused and created by many. We as a nation were at the forefront of blame and we all chose to blame others. We as a nation could have prevented, but chose to ignore – when will we stand up for our own mistakes – when will we stand up and learn to fight with knowledge and human kindness – when will we as a universe choose to make the right choices for all of human kind? To stand by each other’s side and find the way to resolve issues collectively – not divided – now that will be a day we can stand up and be proud side by side, arm in arm – all fighting for the same thing in a universe built for the same reason – LIFE and GOOD!!!
Cheryl “Aicha” H
Posted by: Aicha Hattari | September 9, 2010, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm
To: The Situation Room
Subject: Burning the Koran in Gainesville by Terry Jones and church members.
I believe we need to take a hard look at this even because the rippling effect of this event could have very dangerous consequences.
!. This is a hate crime! This planned desecration of a religious symbol is as serious as the painting of swastikas on Jewish synagogues and graves. The desecration of the Koran will certainly cause psychological harm to the non-violent majority of people of the Muslim faith, and will fuel and exacerbate religious extremism of all kinds.
I believe prevention is an option in this case. The right of “free expression” does not extend to shouting ”fire” in a crowded theatre when there is no fire. If we know ahead of time that the person is going to shout, knowing that the ensuing chaos could injure or kill innocent people, would we allow him to go ahead and arrest him afterwards? In this case, because of the instantaneity of media, the crowded theatre is a world-wide audience. Terry Jones must know this full well, and will be guilty of inciting chaos on a massive scale.
I believe it will be a serious mistake with irretrievable consequences if preventive action is not taken now! It is well within the right of the local government and courts of Gainseville, and/or the state government of Florida, and/or the Justice Department of the Federal government to this blatant abuse of our cherished right of free expression.
Pastor Jones, in his ignoring of advice and warnings from world leaders may have some morbid purpose in pursuing this lunacy!
Sincerely,
Michael P
Tokyo, Japan
Posted by: Mike Price | September 9, 2010, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
Americans of all stripes, and all politics were effected by the terror that happened on 9/11. Not only were American effect by the tragic events but all nations and all religions. thousands of souls were lost that day from all walks of life including those from the Islamic religion. We are basing this tragic event on religious battle, When we should be focusing on remember the events of Sept. 11. Residents in New York and Washington remember trying frantically to get a phone call through to their loved ones, or worrying about the other rumored attacks uptown, at Foggy Bottom, at the White House, or another incoming plane heading for the Capitol. We remember watching desperate people make the unthinkable choice to jump from the towers, or remember Arlington firefighters and soldiers alike pulling survivors out of the Pentagon. We remember going to church or a quiet room in the house or office to pray for the thousands lost that day, and to pray it never happens again. We remember the week after, the flags draping ground zero, the Pentagon and a field in Pennsylvania. We remember President Bush on the flatbed of a truck, arm draped on an exhausted firefighter speaking to the world through a megaphone. American were not the only effected ones all nations were effected. Instead of singling out a religion we should focus on healing and rebuilding. After September 11, Americans started single out men and women from the middle east of Muslim faith and accusing them of terror activity. People from the Middle East all over America was being treated in different ways. Cab drivers from NYC began getting beat including those who may or may not have been Muslim. I am American I was born and raised in America, we base are values on the constitution and fight to protect our constitution to keep the freedoms that we have. America was founded by the idea to escape religious persecution. Treating people that come here from other country’s that have different religious beliefs in bad ways is a violation to the United states constitution. We are so lucky to have the freedoms we have people can believe in what they want and worship where they want. I wanted to add that Pastor Terry Jones is wrong for trying to single out the Muslim religion over a Islamic center being place near ground zero. The Muslims have the right to place there Islamic center where they choose and American should embrace that because of our freedoms. Burning the qua ran is wrong that is just as bad as spitting in someone face which we would all find very offensive and hurtful. My husband is a strong Arabic man he is Muslim so I have allot of experience in the Muslim community. My husband is not a pushy man he is a very patient selfless man. He is a kind hard worker. All the other Muslim family’s that I have had the pleasure to encounter are very pleasant and hospitable. The religion is based on peace. Pastor Jones should put himself in these peoples shoes would he want his wife and children to be attacked just because of their religious beliefs. I am a American and I am converting to the Islamic religion it is my choice and that’s why I love America. Pastor Jones please try to keep the peace do not burn the Quran that is hurtful on all levels. September 11, is about remembering the people from all over the nation who died not religion or politics.
Posted by: Catherine | September 10, 2010, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
Right or wrong if the fire preacher wishes to burn a book to express himself, he has that right. How about we start terrorizing other people that don’t believe in what we do. It’s time to start treating others like they treat us and stop letting people walk all over us.
Posted by: Michael Mitchell | September 10, 2010, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm
People should have the legal right to burn any book, including the quran that is filled with hate speech and promotes killing, domination of women etc.. The quran should be outllawed asap ! Let’s get this done !
Posted by: johnee | September 11, 2010, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
This American Freedom of Speech! Its is not the first time any religious books have been burnt. In 2008, fanatic Jews from Or-Yehuda – a city near Tel Aviv – forcibly gathered Bibles form Christians and Messianic Jews and burnt them in a bonfire. But nothing happened. No one from the Christian world protested or condemned this act. I understand that the Muslims do not consider any translations of the Koran or even copies of it printed in Arabic as their Holy Book at all. So what the heck? Let this moron who calls himself a pastor burn these printed material he considers religious books. All this moron wanted was attention – and the stupid media gave it to him. Now this tiny den that calls itself a church with less than 50 morons in its congregation will probably attract 50 more red-neck morons – and this idiot pastor will have a little more contributions in his till. This moron should have been just ignored. After all, morons come in different shapes, sizes, colors – and with funny mustaches too. Remember the guy from Germany during the second world war – the one with the silly toothbrush mustache?
Posted by: DEVONECO | September 11, 2010, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
Free speech or hate speech? Since when did we in the U.S. start using the shibboleth “hate speech.” The Europeans use “hate speech” to suppress free speech. If an opinion is especially offensive – which usually means that it is especially opposed to a view that is endorsed by the government – the government has a simple solution. They make it a crime to express that opinion. They call it “hate speech.”
In the U.S. it is well established as a matter of law that demonstrations such as buring the flag are a form of speech, a way of expressing one’s very strongly held views.
What happened to the principle that, “I disapprove of what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”
Personally, I am intolerant of people who are intolerant. The pastor in Florida and others who are following his example are expressing the view that Islam is not just a religion; it is also a culture. And that culture is inimical to the values that Americans have held dear for a long time. The Muslim religion does not respect freedom of religion. They do not respect freedom of speech.
And in these difficult times the government has found it more expedient to appease those who would suppress free speech than to defend those who would offend the oppressors.
You might find it easy to dismiss this pastor as irresponsible. But prepare yourself. This discussion is not over. We have just shown the oppressors how easily we surrender our freedoms.
Posted by: First Amendment | September 11, 2010, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
PJ you sound like a ignorant hypocrit. your saying that christians trash other religions then you go ahead and talk trash about them. The 9/11 attacks were carried out by a group of terrorists that distorted the Quran into the way they wished to beleive it, like every excentrict group does with their beliefs and holy books. I have to wonder how many people these days actually read their book, because more and more protests are happening around the world trying to discrace other religions when in fact they end up discracing their own. People who do things like this just make fools of themselves. I would advise every religious person in every country to read their religous book and actually understand what it says instead of interpreting it in a way that appeals to their actions. The fact of the matter is that the world is fueled by hatred in todays day and age, people who claim to be religous are acting in unreligous ways day after day. you can read some of these comments and see exactly what im talking about.
Posted by: american | September 13, 2010, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm