Taking on the Issue of Pornography
ABC News On Campus reporter Chelsey Delaney blogs:
I have seen it; my friends’ younger siblings have seen it; our grandmas have seen it. Our culture is accustomed to pornography.
Some feminists in the 1970s and 1980s, specifically Catharine MacKinnon and the late Andrea Dworkin, were the first to come forth with the idea that pornography promoted sexual aggression and degradation of and toward women and offered some evidence: countries with low pornographic distribution see the least amount of sexual violence toward women. But other feminists disagreed and vowed that some pornography (under the label "erotica") served to sexually liberate women.
Some think the anti-porn sentiment is gaining, among them University of Texas journalism professor Dr. Robert Jensen has dedicated the last decade of his life to the anti-pornography movement, and released a book that pornography’s threat to male behaviors entitled, "Getting Off: Pornography and the End of Masculinity." Jensen wrote the book after attending a pornography convention with some colleagues who were filming a documentary about the industry. The book was released in fall of 2007, and the movie, called "The Price of Pleasure," was released this August with the intention to tour college campuses throughout the 2008-2009 academic year.
The importance of showing the film at college campuses, to Jensen, comes from his own experience with pornography. "I learned how to be a ‘guy’ in college and how to survive as one," Jensen said. "I bonded with guys by denigrating women. I was trying to fit a norm that was, first of all, not me, but second of all, isn’t anyone." Jensen has toured the country on multiple occasions to give lectures to all-male audiences, preaching the danger of pornography’s influence on masculinity and his perception of where it leads: sexual violence.
This is why, Jensen says, that college students need to know about the dangers of pornography first. "It’s time to restart a movement that does not have a focus on porn, but uses it as a vehicle to answer other questions about sexual aggression in society." Jensen and his colleagues have also created a Web site, stoppornculture.org, to provide resources for what they claim contributes to "rape culture."
"The Price of Pleasure" will screen for free at the University of Texas Monday.
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This smacks of suppression of freedom, especially the freedom of speech, and expression. It is unamerican to repress freedoms. I dont necessarily agree with everyones likes or dislikes, but I have no business saying they are bad for liking them.
Posted by: mitch | November 7, 2008, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm
mitch is a man.
a man who probably watches porn.
whose expression are we so adamantly freeing with pornographic images that depict women in violent, abusive and denigrated positions?
certainly not a woman’s.
Posted by: veronica | November 7, 2008, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm
from the blog…
“I learned how to be a ‘guy’ in college and how to survive as one,” Jensen said. “I bonded with guys by denigrating women. I was trying to fit a norm that was, first of all, not me, but second of all, isn’t anyone.”
Jensen has toured the country on multiple occasions to give lectures to all-male audiences, preaching the danger of pornography’s influence on masculinity and his perception of where it leads: sexual violence.
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I’m sorry but I simply don’t see the connection to pornography for this behavior since there are so many people, male, female, and couples as well where this never happen. What I do see as a more likely cause is male dominance group-think in situations when men live together without close female relationships where they have mutual repect for each other. (and often exacerbated by overindulgance in alcohol)
As a prime example, from my experiences in college 3 decades ago combined with what both my son and daughter tell me about college today, the only men known for displaying this attitude toward women were/are the arrogant fraternity jerks.
Perhaps we should encourage closer scrutiny of this by monitoring the ratio of rapes and other violence towards women with the organizations and social-circles of the offendors.
Posted by: Yes_We_Will | November 7, 2008, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm
veronica is clearly a woman.
a woman who paints everything with her judgemental broad strokes with probably little personal knowledge on the subject matter.
a woman clearly naive enough to actually think that her husband doesn’t himself view pornography.
Posted by: freedomfighter1975 | November 7, 2008, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm
I’m a “mens right activist” that is against the new gender feminist raunch culture.
Posted by: scott | November 7, 2008, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm
Nice one-side article you have here, Chelsey. Let me guess, you’re another student who’s been fired up by Robert Jensen’s speeches on demon pornography and have decided that porn is public enemy number 1.
Some things you’ve gotten wrong here – there is no conclusive evidence of any kind that porn turns psychologically normal men into rapists. Neil Malamuth, who’s studies are among the most frequently misquoted by anti-porn activists, has said this in several of his papers, actually.
The correlative study you cite “countries with low pornographic distribution see the least amount of sexual violence toward women” doesn’t even remotely demonstrate causality or even a link, and there have been other such correlative studies contradicting this. A study published within the last 5 years shows a *negative* correlation between porn consumption at rates of sexual violence in US States. I don’t think that study proves porn prevents sexual violence, either, but I do think the contradictory findings here demonstrate the error of inferring causality from very broad correlation.
Second, you fail to note that there’s a very strong pro-sex worker and anti-anti-porn wing of the feminist movement that is very critical of Robert Jensen and the Stop Porn Culture movement. They would argue, that Robert Jensen is just the latest example of a man using moralistic arguments to control women’s sexuality, but this time using feminism rather than “family values as an argument”.
Finally, you trumpet “The Price of Pleasure” as a credible critique of pornography. What you fail to mention is that numerous people who have appeared in the documentary have spoken out about how they were grossly misquoted and had their words taken out of context. TPoP is nothing but a piece of badly-produced propaganda that is about as truthful on the subject of pornography and sexuality as Reefer Madness was on the subject of marijuana. More critiques of TPoP here:
http://bppa.blogspot.com/search/label/TPoP
http://bppa.blogspot.com/2008/10/price-of-pleasure-deconstructed-part.html
Posted by: Iamcuriousblue | November 7, 2008, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm
Sex has always been here,I am an old 77 year man, I was always taught by my father to respect a woman,to me sex is a loving
caring experince,if people need porno, so be it,what do I know?
Posted by: Ken | November 9, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
The women are just as sexually agressive as men. College campuses encourage and enable drug use, cheating on papers, and sleeping with anything… conscious or not… If people were really concerned they would crack down on the laws broken on and off campus. But alas, I’m not looking to die from holding my breath that long. The only reason this behavior exists (higher than the national average vs. other locations) is because the administration WANTS it this way. Anything else is just another shameful, EMPTY excuse. I can’t wait to send my son to college where he can die in some drunken, drug filled prank or send my daughter and have her lucky to survive the date/gang/frat rape. Oh boy, and for this they are charging ME!!!! Forget it!!! My kids can learn somewhere else!
Posted by: hmn | November 9, 2008, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm
Just out of curiosity, why is this article, which was run several days ago on abcnews.com being run again today as if it’s a new article? Am I missing some kind of agenda by ABC?
Posted by: bob | November 9, 2008, 7:21 pm 7:21 pm
Porn is bad for society.
Global aging: the demographic winter is coming.
Aging workforce in the USA.
geocities(dot)com/demographic_crash
Louis XIV : Apres moi le deluge.
P.S. Also new website prowomanprolife(dot)org
Posted by: SML | November 9, 2008, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm
I watched some porn today . There were two hot looking chicks getting on with one well hung stud . These women did not seem as if they were being force to perform as well as they . after seeing that I really needed some alone time for myself.
Posted by: KWOLF443 | November 9, 2008, 8:33 pm 8:33 pm
porn leads to destruction of MARRIAGE & FAMILY
and eventually to sexual abuse of children. Don’t you
get it!! So, the next time you view porn I want you to
get up the next day and 1st thing to do is to look at
yourself in the mirror. What do you see? Someone of great CHARACTER?
I DONT THINK SO
I
Posted by: whatsnext | November 9, 2008, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm
porn leads to destruction of MARRIAGE & FAMILY
and eventually to sexual abuse of children. Don’t you
get it!! So, the next time you view porn I want you to
get up the next day and 1st thing to do is to look at
yourself in the mirror. What do you see? Someone of great CHARACTER?
I DONT THINK SO
I
Posted by: whatsnext | November 9, 2008, 9:18 pm 9:18 pm
whatsnext What is your problem why should I hate myself because I watched some porn it’s just skin and flesh , bumping and gridding,sweating and moaning oh I need some more alone time.
Posted by: KWOLF443 | November 9, 2008, 9:33 pm 9:33 pm
Skin and flesh of CHILDEN? Let’s be specific. I never said “Hate myself.” Ha, You did. what does that say about you? Well,well well, You are are what you need,,,well, well .well.. I’m so sorry that you have to see your self i the mirror tomorrow….I Will be praying for you!! Porn does lead to Children Sexual abuse..
I KNOW THAT
Posted by: whatsnext | November 9, 2008, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm
I think the main problem porno has is that it places a false sense of womens’ sexuality into the brains of men. Most real women aren’t like the ones in the pornos – they don’t have the libido, endurance, and won’t want to perform many of the sex acts shown – and many men who’s ideas of sexuality are informed by porn will be sorely disappointed in their relationships because of this. This can lead to problematic relationships and a lot of pain for all concerned.
Posted by: kevin | November 9, 2008, 11:45 pm 11:45 pm
Hey PORN WATCERS,
If you watch PORN on a daily basis, and you are married you will never see your wife the same.
Only with the Grace of GOD will your Marriage be
as it once was before… REMEMBER THAT? I will say it again…PORN LEADS TO CHILD SEXUAL MOLESTATION!!!
CHECH YOUR SELF…..NOW!!!!SAVE A CHILD!!!
a
Posted by: whatsnext | November 9, 2008, 11:58 pm 11:58 pm
I’d like to add some thoughtful commentary on this pressing social issue, but I’m too busy surfing for porn… I’ll be back later.
Posted by: tony | November 9, 2008, 11:59 pm 11:59 pm
Hey PORN WATCERS,
If you watch PORN on a daily basis, and you are married you will never see your wife the same.
Only with the Grace of GOD will your Marriage be
as it once was before… REMEMBER THAT? I will say it again…PORN LEADS TO CHILD SEXUAL MOLESTATION!!!
CHECH YOUR SELF…..NOW!!!!SAVE A CHILD!!!
a
Posted by: whatsnext | November 9, 2008, 11:59 pm 11:59 pm
That’s right! There was no rape and no mistreatment of women before pornography. And let’s not forget to ban masturbation while we’re at it. Sick people find sickness all around them.
Posted by: Neo Politicus | November 10, 2008, 12:01 am 12:01 am
Whatsnext:It seems like your a Religious Nut Job mixed in with some serious sexual issues that you have not worked out yet . How do bath fully clothed I am wondering,did break alll the mirrors in your house so you don’t have to look at your own nakedness , What a shame. Someone did the old Religious hatched job on you and you fell for hook,line,sinker.I feel sorry for you.
Posted by: KWOLF443 | November 10, 2008, 12:56 am 12:56 am
Hmm. Sounds more like violence towards women is caused by membership in a fraternity. I KNEW there was a reason I never joined one. Another area of research ?? Match violence toward women with religion. Certainly works with Islam. Anytime a religious cult says the woman should obey the man, the warning lights go on. And where do we see that again ? Religion poisons everything, to coin a phrase..
Posted by: rod-the-farmer | November 10, 2008, 5:48 am 5:48 am
So because this guy hung out with other guys in college and came to denigrate women like the rest of them… somehow it’s all porn’s fault? Sounds more like a cautionary tale in the hazards of groupthink to me, or maybe it’s just another case of, “I can’t be the one at fault, it must be XYZ that made me do it!” Just admit that you were a jerk for hanging out with jerks and wanting to be accepted by them and get on with your life, don’t demonize a convenient social target. Sheesh.
Posted by: Bri | November 10, 2008, 7:56 am 7:56 am
An honest and open dialog about sexuality is the surest way to prevent violence and abuse. Shame and guilt over sexual issues only allows abuse to flourish. Well-produced erotica can serve as a catalyst for these discussions.
It should be the sole discretion of consenting adults to determine whether to indulge in erotica. Only the individual has the right to make such a choice, not the state.
Posted by: Yukon Sam | November 10, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
It is sad to see educated people without the ability to distinguish between good and evil. There is no good in pornography. But our western civilization has lost the ability to reason. I have seen it argued that the community has no input into what is expected or allowed. Only the individual matters. Let me state that only a religious society can be civil. If we ever start operating on the principle that every individual is a moral law to themselves then, those of us that have a more evolved sense of justice will start killing those of you who offend us. Therefore you should offer thanks to whatever you worship that the religious believe in a higher rule of human conduct.
Posted by: M. A. Woodward | November 12, 2008, 8:50 am 8:50 am
My full sized anatomically correct Palin doll arrived in the mail today.
I read the instructions, installed the battery pack, and installed the program chip provided. It immediately started talking and would not stop. When it saw the front ajar it said it was a sign from God and plowed through it. I haven’t seen it since.
Now I can’t get a refund and I may be responsible for whatever this thing does before the battery runs down.
I do not recommend this model, it is unfortunately too lifelike to be practical.
Posted by: seemstome | November 12, 2008, 8:34 pm 8:34 pm
First of all I do not want to in total Religious world .Because we know what the dangers are living in a total Religious world would be like. Your whole individual self would be gone and we all would have to think and believe in the same fashion.We don’t live in the mid-east were Religion rules and freethought is out so let’s not think about living in a total Religious world.
Posted by: KWOLF443 | November 13, 2008, 5:21 am 5:21 am