Kerry v Bush, take 2

Two points:
1: Kerry’s remarks were outrageous, obscene, and completely in line with his core beliefs. The man (I use the term biologically) has been a disgrace to the uniform and to the Nation ever since his “honorable” return from Viet Nam.
2: I question whether Dale Peters is really a Republican – he doth protest too much to be real, and I detect the faint aura of moonbat.
If there has ever been a question as to which party is fit to defend our country, it will be answered by the Democrat candidates’ responses to this indecent diatribe.

Kerry’s mistake was assuming people knew who he was referring to and to not spell it out in the original speech. But people hear what they want to hear — believe what they want to believe. And when we (as a country) face so many challenges, it seems down right petty and small to harp on a misinterpretation. People are dying — brave people — people who have done more for their their country then most of the current administration who have put them into harms way without cause (no, a lie is not a good reason to go to war). Bush and his team have done far more to dishonor those who serve!

Posted by: Anthony Cairo | Oct 31, 2006 10:13:00 PM
Sorry as a Republican and a veteran Bush needs to say he is sorry for lying to us to take us to war. Having Family In Iraq for the fourth time I have that right to say that. As to education of the Troops again sorry they lowered the standards again. If they took the test I did to get in the would fail. Not all the troops have that problem but 1/3 does. Plus send troops back into Cobat with PTSD is one more reason for bush to say he is sorry. Plus to those who don’t know why did DAV and Retired Enlisted VSO fail every Republican on veterans issues since 2004. I will not stand for lies no more even being a Republican.
Anthony, a great post…thank you…a lot of Republicans are just as disillusioned with Bush as you are…after 9/11, Bush had the country behind him to go in and get Osama in Afghanistan…instead, he diverted attention where it did not belong. Now Afghanistan is once again run by Taliban, women are treated like chattel, and no progress has been made…and Iraq, well, what can one say?

Pay very close attention. Not long ago when military leaders were weighing in on the war in Iraq, they stated that down the line, in order to keep Iraq from a civil war, a massive amount of troops would be needed. With Great Britain being pressured by its people to pull out, where will these troops come from. I’m afraid a vote for Republicans is a sure fire way of reinstalling the draft. That little sentence no one noticed, “a massive amount of troops” is a clue to what is ahead. Beware of all the spin against Kerry. It’s what this administration does best. It keeps the self righteous busy arguing over morals, ethics, and what amounts to nothing compared to the very bad decision that are made while everyone is off base. I’ve watched this over and over again with this administration. It’ the old “look over there” trick.
As far as the military, God Bless. You are doing a soldiers job, what you are told, and dying for it. My heart goes out to the loved ones left behind. But I have to agree with Kerry. I’ve watched children of friends get ensnared by the military because they couldn’t get jobs, and weren’t in school. One man spent 6 months getting his son out of the army that promised him in writing, he would not go to Iraq. The man managed to do so through tenacity and the fact that the army bald face lied to the kid. Another woman thought the navy might be good for her out of control daughter until she found the navy somehow sprouts legs now and ends up in Iraq also. I ask is this not along the lines of what Kerry spoke? If you are young, not gainfully employed, not in college, you may very well end up in Iraq.

Senator Kerry should at least apologize to anyone who may have taken offense and explain that it’s not what he meant.
Who should President Bush apologize to for putting us in a war that we have no business being in? What is the condition in Afghanistan right now? Remember – the country that housed the people that attacked us on 9/11? Who should John McCain apologize to for going along with torture? That is something to truly be ashamed of.
I have served myself and there is plenty of room for apologies – from both sides. Which, by the way, I’ve hung up the towel for both. Happy to be a Libertarian.

In this era of a volunteer army, many young people who could not afford to go on to college looked to the services to further their education. Those going to college are pursuing their education so they can go out in the world and earn a living. They’re not joing the army en mass. As I read Kerry’s statement, He did not call the troops stupid. He just made a statement of fact. As this administration seems to say, “don’t confuse the issues with facts”.

Leave Senator Kerry alone. What is wrong is the war, not his comments. He is a veteran, he knows about war. He is patriotic, he cares. Everyone has a right to their opinion. lets look at actions (Bush, HELLburton etc.) they speak volumes! We lost 100 plus soldiers this month. Remember, it is a volunteer army! Do you think people are SMART to put themselves in harms way? Not for this war anyhow…it is wrong. How many innocent people are being killed? Don’t be sooooooo superficial people. The Iraq war is not about terriorism. It is costing everyone so much…lives, money, reputation.

Senator Kerry’s comment was aimed at the Bush administrations lowing of the standards for joining the arm service and only someone as dumb as Bush and the republicans would not know this. You now don’t have to be a high school graduate to join, you can also have a police record and still get in. This leads to things like the prisioner abuse and the rape case in Iraq. Mr. Bush has literally destroyed the grand name of the USA in all foriegn nations.

Anybody watching the video of Sen. Kerry’s speech can see that he was having trouble reading the copy. He definitely made a mistake, but not the way the Republicans are interpreting it.

Just another reason we do not need another draft. I would prefer my country be protected by people with brains skills and abilities than by some idiot who can’t do anything except embarress and disgrace his country by throwing his medals which he probably did not even earn over the wall of the White House and then turn on his comrades in senate hearings. A shame and disgrace to this country.

Kerry had truth in his comment either way. Why is the shinny military 18 wheeler showing up at high schools with chrome wheels? They are not trying to attract the class top percent of students. They are going to get students who don’t qualify for scholarships or can’t pay the cost of higher education. In my town kids that don’t go to college have two choices, one working as a prison guard at five local prisons in the state prison system in town or become an inmate themself. Many parents I know have encouraged average kids or kids with a potential to get in trouble to enter the military. Yesterday CNN had a report regarding military personal that couldn’t reinlist because of bad credit from local loan companies. Their pay check wasn’t enough to go around and they were borrowing money from nearby base loan companies and rolling the loans over instead of repaying them. As a result of too much debt, they have lost their security clearance and could not rejoin the military. The govenment is now offering them personal money management classes to educate them on personal finace.

I am registered Dem & voted for Bush. My vote for Bush was due in part to his Christian belief system but also because Kerry strikes me as arrogant and full of himself; someone I care not to represent me. So, here is the twist…Kerry clearly was stabbing Bush and Bush alone with his comments. I grow very sick of the political twist everyone (especially the media) must put on comments such as this. I find it disturbing that Bush has taken that position although he is likely being advised to. I find it an insult that politicians think so lowly of the American Public that they are “tricking” us in this way. Today – I wouldn’t vote for Kerry and never would but his comments were absolutely not an attack on our soldiers intelligence. Come on? You guys all know that don’t you?

First of all, Kerry’s statement should be interpreted in its context. He was speaking to college students and framing a message to them. If one listens with that in mind, what I hear is: “get your college education or you will be at the mercy of the administration’s predatory search for soldier material.”
It was really a statement about wants soldiers more than it wants self-actualizing young Americans.

I am so tired of issues such as this taking over the front page of every newspaper and broadcast. I yearn for the good old days when duels settled these types of disputes. I’m fairly certain that it would put an immediate stop to this crap. These blowhards would think twice before opening their mouths and would’nt be near as quick to take offense at their opponents remarks.

I was raised in the military. I have lived on many military bases. The basic soldier is usually someone who’s choices are very limited. The majority cannot “chose” college. They get stuck in “Iraq”. Oh, yeah, that’s what Kerry said! Imagine that! We had a prime opportunity to create a democratic “jewel” in Afganistan, with people desparate for freedom and happy to have us there. We blew it by abandoning them and creating a mess in Iraq. All these things have happened before. If only our “leaders” would look at history, they could have predicted what has happened. You cannot force a country and there people to want you there no matter what kind of military force you use.

I think Kery was right to apologize. He knows what he said was a joke about the boys in uniform/Iraq. If it was in fact a botched Joke about the President how was it suoppose to go???
If you don’t stay in school and do your homework you’ll end up being President, or you’ll end up stuck in Iraq like the President, or you’ll end up being a President with no exit strategy???
I just wish he would explain how the (botched?) joke was suppose to go because I can’t figure it out and I certainly don’t see anything funny about it.