By A'Melody Lee

Jul 18, 2007 1:13pm

Sex Ed for Kindergarteners ‘Right Thing to Do,’ Says Obama

ABC News’ Teddy Davis and Lindsey Ellerson Report: Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., told Planned Parenthood Tuesday that sex education for kindergarteners, as long as it is "age-appropriate," is "the right thing to do."

"I remember Alan Keyes . . . I remember him using this in his campaign against me," Obama said in reference to the conservative firebrand who ran against him for the U.S. Senate in 2004. Sex education for kindergarteners had become an issue in his race against Keyes because of Obama’s work on the issue as chairman of the health committee in the Illinois state Senate.

"’Barack Obama supports teaching sex education to kindergarteners,’" said Obama mimicking Keyes’ distinctive style of speech. "Which — I didn’t know what to tell him (laughter)."

"But it’s the right thing to do," Obama continued, "to provide age-appropriate sex education, science-based sex education in schools."

Watch the video:
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=3386492

Speaking to a young woman who asked a question about sex education, Obama said, "You, as a peer, can have enormous power over your age cohort but you’ve got to have some support from the schools. You certainly should not have to be fighting each and every instance by providing accurate information outside of the classroom because inside the classroom the only thing that can be talked about is abstinence."

"Keep in mind: I honor and respect young people who choose to delay sexual activity," Obama continued. "I’ve got two daughters, and I want them to understand that sex is not something casual. That’s something that we definitely want to communicate and should be part of any curriculum. But we also know that when the statistics tell us that nearly half of 15 to 19 year olds are engaging in sexual activity, that for us to leave them in ignorance is potentially consigning them to illness, pregnancy, poverty, and in some cases, death."

When Obama’s campaign was asked by ABC News to explain what kind of sex education Obama considers "age appropriate" for kindergarteners, the Obama campaign pointed to an Oct. 6, 2004 story from the Daily Herald in which Obama had "moved to clarify" in his Senate campaign that he "does not support teaching explicit sex education to children in kindergarten. . . The legislation in question was a state Senate measure last year that aimed to update Illinois’ sex education standards with ‘medically accurate’ information . . . ‘Nobody’s suggesting that kindergartners are going to be getting information about sex in the way that we think about it,’ Obama said. ‘If they ask a teacher ‘where do babies come from,’ that providing information that the fact is that it’s not a stork is probably not an unhealthy thing. Although again, that’s going to be determined on a case by case basis by local communities and local school boards.’"

In addition to local schools informing kindergarteners that babies do not come from the stork, the state legislation Obama supported in Illinois, which contained an "opt out" provision for parents, also envisioned teaching kindergarteners about "inappropriate touching," according to Obama’s presidential campaign. Despite Obama’s support, the legislation was not enacted.

User Comments

this reminds me of a south park episode…i remember learning the differences in anatomy in preschool…so in kindergarten does it need to go any further than that? if one cannot come up with details of the proposed “age appropriate” sex education for kindergartners..then it becomes difficult to decide which side of the fence to be on.

Posted by: MissShooter | July 18, 2007, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm

oh the horror!! sex education!! bring back the abusive nuns who would lash our pupils hands into bloody pulps for even asking!! the more you lie to the youth about sex, they more they will explore and figure it out on their own, at younger and younger ages. GROW UP AMERICA, AND EDUCATE YOUR KIDS, NOT INDOCTRINATE THEM.

Posted by: J | July 18, 2007, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm

Am I the only one who thinks that sex education for kids in kindergarten is crazy? I respect Obama, but I have to disagree with him. Before puberty, what purpose could sex education serve? At what point does teaching sex education to pre-pubescent kids become absurd? Should we teach sex education to children who cannot walk or talk? There is nothing appropriate about this. The fact that he needs to re-explain himself on this issue, should have been a hint that this idea is half-baked. This is a dumb position for Obama to take. Good luck on formulating a curriculum. Let kindergarten kids be curious. Don’t indoctrinate them.

Posted by: Sean O'Brien | July 18, 2007, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm

Teaching sex education to Kindergarteners is totally inappropriate!

Posted by: MJ | July 18, 2007, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm

Just one more reason not to send your kids to public schools.

Posted by: mickey | July 18, 2007, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm

J…I think it’s hard to lie about sex when children don’t ask about it at that age. Of all the things that can be taught in a limited school day, sex ed in kindergarten doesn’t seem that necessary…if this is Mr. Obama’s solution to decreasing teen pregnancy rates (which are already at record lows) than I think his urban agenda may have some problems.

Posted by: taylor | July 18, 2007, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm

This is the case of another politician who think he knows how to teach your kids better than you…

Posted by: tom S | July 18, 2007, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm

Here’s an idea- leave it completely up to parents.

Posted by: mmljg | July 18, 2007, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm

Wouldn’t it be more valuable to teach them the ABCs and how to add?

Posted by: Steve | July 18, 2007, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm

To J, it seems to me that there was less teen sexual activity decades ago and I don’t think that it was due to additional instruction in the classroom at early ages.

Posted by: B | July 18, 2007, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm

…and why can’t a teacher just tell a child who asks the where do babies come from question to talk to their parents??? Heaven forbid they have any say on how a child learns about sex.

Posted by: taylor | July 18, 2007, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm

Bwaaaaaaa! LOL!!! Ahhhh ha hah ha ha ha! This clown thinks children 4, 5 and 6 need to learn about sex?
Right, forget about being a child, playing with toys, learning to share and to interact and reading, writing and math we should get our children to be promiscuous “progressives”. What an idiot, I can’t believe there are enough delusional people in this country to give this fraud a chance.
I don’t recall ever hearing about sex education until high school but then my generation was not pregnant at 14 and sporting 4 different children from 4 different fathers, gotta love “progressives”.

Posted by: Liberal Fruitcake | July 18, 2007, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm

Reminds me of Kindergarden Cop:
“Boys have a penis, girls have a vagina.”
And THAT IS sex ed in kindergarden.

Posted by: Justa Thought | July 18, 2007, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm

I simply can not understand how anyone could think that anything to do with sex would be relevant to a KINDERGARTNER. Unfortunately, there is an assumption out there that a “curriculum” can solve social ills. How much money has been poured into “educating” people about AIDS and everthing else? It does not work. The government can NOT be the answer. We don’t even trust government with our money! Why would we trust it with a decision such as this?

Posted by: GregPierson | July 18, 2007, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm

You have to be kidding. Sex Ed for 5 and 6 year olds. This is a perfect example of what is wrong with this country. Why don’t we give 5 year olds condoms?

Posted by: gary | July 18, 2007, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm

Funny thing about all the opposition to abstinence based education- the most recent meta-study- which examined programs of abstinence and non-abstinence based sex ed programs in both suburban and inner city schools – found that the kids in ALL groups had the same rate of knowledge, condom use, STD diagnosis rate, pregnancy rate- and SO DID the kids who got NO SEX ED IN SCHOOL !
So when does THAT hit the headlines so we can stop wasting money on what parents should be doing, and start buying math books ???

Posted by: Kit | July 18, 2007, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm

don’t be silly. like he said. age appropriate. It is VERY IMPORTANT that you LISTEN to words. That you READ them to understand what the person is actually SAYING. Age approproate means very vague, very general, not at all explicit or physically descriptive.
eg. “Babies come from mommy’s tummy.” Case closed. Job over. Kindergartener curiosity satisfied.

Posted by: Sam | July 18, 2007, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm

I send my kids to school so that they can learn how to read, write and do math … not to learn how to multiply (pun intended).
Let me teach them about sexuality at home. Its my responsibility as a parent, not the state’s.

Posted by: paul | July 18, 2007, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm

This man will NEVER be president. He is very disturbed. Liberalism is a MENTAL DISORDER!!!

Posted by: Suzanne LePonte | July 18, 2007, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm

Schools have a hard enough time just teaching the basics let alone trying to teach 6 year olds about sex. I’ve never understood the concept of sex education in school in any grade level. I am sure it is a complete waste of time and for Obama to say kids who don’t have this in school will grow up getting sick and pregnant and perhaps dying is pathetic and condescending.

Posted by: Mark | July 18, 2007, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm

I respect Alan Keyes. He didn’t make a fool of himself EVER, and Mr “mocking” Obama just lost one vote.

Posted by: Raina | July 18, 2007, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm

Why can’t parents teach their kids this information in the way they deem appropriate?

Posted by: JD | July 18, 2007, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm

Yet another instance of how Liberals believe they can better educate and raise your children better than you can.
No thanks.

Posted by: Kevin | July 18, 2007, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm

Yet another example of a politician out of touch with the majority. Sex-ed for 5 year olds? I wonder if that would have helped Bill Clinton… hmmmm.

Posted by: Normal Majority | July 18, 2007, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm

Mr. Obama supports state legislation with “opt-out” provisions. Why, as a parent, should I have to intervene to protect my children from idealogues? (See comment from “J”) Why don’t government schools adopt “Opt-in” provisions for the parents who shirk the responsibility of providing the moral base upon which their children will stand? I have no objection (other than having to pay for it) to a father or mother wanting government indoctrination for his or her child, but I have major objections to anyone desiring government indoctrination for my child. Why do people fear those of us who desire liberty?

Posted by: Jon | July 18, 2007, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm

And Yes, I know I wrote “better” twice.
Probably a flashback from a liberal teacher I had during the years I attended a Government School.

Posted by: Kevin | July 18, 2007, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm

Okay guys, we’re not talking about teaching children the intricacies of male-female sexual relations, just that there is a difference between male and female anatomy and that babies come from a mother’s body, not some mythical creature. I can’t believe anybody, even those opposed to Obama for other reasons, can really find fault with this. Are you opposed to general health information for this age group?

Posted by: Laura Miller | July 18, 2007, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm

What? Are we going to give them condoms too? This is why my kids go to private school. ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS FOR KINDERGARTEN.

Posted by: crazy | July 18, 2007, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm

Obama isn’t saying it has to explicit. Just simple answers for children that do not rely on myth.
For all the good parents out there, keep on keeping on. You’re not the problem and your kids aren’t the ones who are going to get an STD to go along with their broken heart if you’re doing your job. The fact is most is parents suck when it comes to raising their kids and would rather let MTV do that. Why do you people think Paris Hilton is a sex symbol and teenagers love her or someone just like her. It starts early.
And to the guy who says it seems like there was less sex decades ago – sure there was but what does that have to do with what is happening now? It’s a different world now and changing rapidly. Wax poetic on how the world was and watch yourself get left behind, if you’re not already.

Posted by: Voiceofreason | July 18, 2007, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm

It’s funny one poster brings up the nuns slapping hands. Back then, there were a lot less teen pregnancies, less abortions, less sexual diseases.
The nuns look like they had it right.

Posted by: Jim | July 18, 2007, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm

Laura Miller, This would open up the flood gates to whatever indoctrination the government wants.

Posted by: Majority | July 18, 2007, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm

i hope he takes back that statement. are kindergarden teachers qualified to teach sex ed? has ever met kindergarden kids? my vote was always leaning towards him as president.

Posted by: jerry | July 18, 2007, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm

“It’s the parents’ job, it’s the parents’ job” parrot the right wing.
What if, like me, you had drunks for parents? I hate to break it to you, but SOMEBODY had to teach me what went where, how it went there, and when it went there. Guess who it was?
Not mom and dad.

Posted by: Brian | July 18, 2007, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm

Maybe they should focus more on reading comprehension in schools since it is obvious that the majority of you morons can’t comprehend what it is exactly that Obama is advocating.

Posted by: Dude | July 18, 2007, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm

He does not sound like a person with sound judgment. No one sends their children to kindergarten to learn sex ed. Public schools really are a waste of time and money.

Posted by: Glenda | July 18, 2007, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm

Just another example of liberals wanting to control your life. The principal difference between a conservative is a conservative believes in the principals of free markets and small government, a liberal believes the government should be involved in almost every aspect of your life.

Posted by: Brian | July 18, 2007, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm

What babies don’t come from the stork? What wrong with using facts to teach something so basic as sex ed. The internet exposes kids to so much more than what we grew up with, it makes sense to provide facts that appropriate for a child. To run from the facts that half of kids 15 to 19 year olds are engaging in sexual activity, we need to start having the sex conversation much earlier than in years past. If you don’t want your kid to get this information opt out, if not let the majority be educated to make good choices about an important topic.

Posted by: Greg | July 18, 2007, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm

OH by the way, “Second, Obama isn’t saying it has to explicit. Just simple answers for children that do not rely on myth” what was that about? I agree maybe teach them (older kids ) something but not in kindergarten. Let’s be a little realistic. NOT SEX-ED maybe we should rename it.

Posted by: crazy | July 18, 2007, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm

Why don’t the schools make a booklet or packet or something, and send it home with the kids in a sealed envelope, and let the parents look it over and read it to them?
My kids’ school is always sending home stuff I have to read and sign.
That way the parents can filter and control the content.
What a great idea!!!
ME for President!!

Posted by: Serious | July 18, 2007, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm

I believe we need to teach kindergardener’s reading, writing and math. We then give them a healthy snack and let them run around at recess. I would even let them play tag.
This is just more typical liberal garbage that has damaged our educational system since the 60′s. Way to screw things up hippies!

Posted by: Doug | July 18, 2007, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm

Sex Ed for 5-6 year olds? Gives a whole new meaning to the old kids game, of duck, duck , goose. I’m sorry kids can’t play tag anymore or keep score playing games, it may OFFFFFF Fend someone.
Obama, buddy go HOME, the village is looking for their idiot.

Posted by: Steve | July 18, 2007, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm

This is absurd, this will only teach the kids to have sex younger. I didn’t know about sex until I was in the 6th grade !

Posted by: Robert | July 18, 2007, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm

Oh the Horror!!! Not teaching sex education to kindergartners!!! Now they’re all going to get uncontrollably curious about sex and start having babies and spreading diseases. Grow up J, indoctrinate your own kids, not mine.

Posted by: m | July 18, 2007, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm

I honestly think we will be better off turning our children over to the state. We as parents dont have the intelligence/ability to teach our children what they need to know. They would be better off if the state indoc.. I mean taught them both the basic subjects and all their life lessons.

Posted by: AJ | July 18, 2007, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm

You all (with few exceptions) forgot the important part: “age-appropriate”. I highly doubt anyone agrees that “age-appropriate” sex-ed is what the comments have been alluding to. Parents need to teach their young children at an early age about sex-ed with the fact that it’s their private place and no one can ‘touch’ them there w/o their parents and/or doctor present, that boys and girls are different, and that babies come from a tummy. That is it.

Posted by: Amy | July 18, 2007, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm

And is someone (apparently Obama) actually suggesting that a kindergarten age student being told babies come from storks actually going to increase 15 to 19 year old pregnancies?
Next, belief in Santa will be linked to chronic Meth usage.
And just because your parents are drunks doesn’t mean kindergarten students need to be taught sexuality. Just more of an excuse to control reproduction, not encourage it. I can’t tell you to stop having as many kids by as many different fathers as you can find, but you can tell me my tax dollars have to support you and your spawn… now that’s just backwards.
All of the naysayers on here keep avoiding the real subject that needs to be taught- individual responsibility. But the Left only likes to legislate it away, not to give it to people and hold them accountable for it.

Posted by: Jason | July 18, 2007, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm

In addition to sex education, let’s teach 5 year olds that all politicians are corrupt and dysfunctional.
I did not have sex with that woman….

Posted by: Smith | July 18, 2007, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm

I really don’t want the government telling me what is “age appropriate” for my children. Yeah, we need MORE government controls like Michael Moore needs more Twinkies.

Posted by: Kevin | July 18, 2007, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm

if you watch the video he is pandering to planned parenthood–watch for yourself–and he pans “abstinence.”
there’s nothing about storks.
he opposes teaching abstinence.
question was specific to dc schools

Posted by: Joe | July 18, 2007, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm

Yet another reason I will never vote for a LIBERAL-left wing moron! He needs to take some advise from Glenn Beck…Tune in to CNN Mr. Obama and get yourself an education.

Posted by: A | July 18, 2007, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm

Health class for Kindergardeners should include brushing their teeth and washing after using the bathroom. Birds and bees have no place in a classroom where kids are so young they still believe in Santa and the Tooth Fairy.

Posted by: Anon | July 18, 2007, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm

And I guess the next proposal will be to enroll your children in government schools when they are born? it truly amazes me how liberals think the government can do a better job with every aspect of our lives. How narrow-minded can they possibly be?

Posted by: TheMan | July 18, 2007, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm

sorry Obama thought you might be alright you lost any chance you had of getting my vote

Posted by: rich | July 18, 2007, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm

Ah the nanny state encroacheth. Kids are at risk Mr. Obama, not because they are ignorant of their sexual nature but because they DO NOT LEARN BASIC INTERPERSONAL SKILLS AND SELF RESPECT! THAT’S the stuff to be taught in kindergarden Mr Obama. And should be doubly taught in the home. Teach a kid how to use their brain and think is the first step.

Posted by: Mauricio | July 18, 2007, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm

Lets start with gun safety kindergarden and work up to sex ed

Posted by: Ryan | July 18, 2007, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm

This guy is your mainstream liberal and is very dangerous. He should not be allowed to get close to the White House.

Posted by: Frank | July 18, 2007, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm

LISTEN.. HE IS NOT TALKING ABOUT HAVING CLASSES ON THE ACTUAL ACT OF A MAN AN WOMAN HAVING INTERCOURSE. CLEARLY HE IS HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE “SCIENCE” OF WHY A LITTLE BOY AND GIRL ARE DIFFERENT WITHIN THEIR LEVEL OF UNDERSTANDING.
WE MUST KEEP OUT MIND OUT OF THE GUTTER HERE LADIES.. AND GENTLEMEN.

Posted by: DLO | July 18, 2007, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm

This has got to be a parody. No one running for President or any office can be this stupid. Keep talking Obama. What a blessing it is when liberals expose their true beliefs rather than their usual lies to disguise their beliefs.

Posted by: john drondt | July 18, 2007, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm

I am a conservative and am proudly one of the 80% of Republicans who approve of George W.’s performance (and proudly not a member of the religous right). I also wouldn’t vote for Obama, Hillary, or any of the other bufoons representing democrats these days. I do, however, think Obama has a point here. His distinction of “age appropriate” shouldn’t be dismissed, it is what makes his points relevant. Kids should learn about their body and the differences between boys and girls. I think, for instance, showing them how to apply a condom would not be age appropriate and would be morally criminal. But to teach kids about the areas of their body that distinguish them as a gender, and explaining to them that these are private areas, and to tell parents when these areas are violated, I think, is a valid idea.
I think Obama’s a liberal, and therefore not worthy of my vote, but if we are going to have a serious discussion of what he meant, let’s keep the “age appropriate” aspect of what he is saying in focus.

Posted by: Arthur | July 18, 2007, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm

Another deceptive headlines from the press. This does a lot of good to distort his words to attract readers and ad dollars. Shame on ABC News. Is this The Drudge Report or a respected news outlet???

Posted by: Annonymous | July 18, 2007, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm

Ask people who knew him at Columbia. They will tell you all you need to know about Barack Obama.

Posted by: fastidious | July 18, 2007, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm

Seems to me there is two Americas: An enlighted America that has lead the rest of us into the 21st Century, and a “God Fearing” ignorant America that is trying to drag us all back to the stone ages. Will Enlighted America please save us all in the next election… Seriously.

Posted by: R Power | July 18, 2007, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm

This evidences Obama’s inherent distrust of Americans. He feels we cannot teach our children, therefore, he wants the government to do it. Thanks Obama, but I don’t hold the same lofty value in politicians as you. Try trusting in families for a change. It works.

Posted by: chris | July 18, 2007, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm

Is he insane? Do we, as parnets, have no right to parent our children anymore?
What’s most disgusting about his proposal is the fact that he is simply pandering to a group such as Planned Parenthood, whose main goal is abortions-for-dollars.

Posted by: really_rosie | July 18, 2007, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm

Sorry Obama I think at the kindergarten age it’s not the place of the school or the goveroment to tell my kids about sex ed. That’s my place and my right as a parent. I can tell them a stork or they came from mommy tummy. That is my choice to I what tell them. I have three boys my oldest at thirteen knows about sex due to a libery and my husband taken him there to which sex ed videos and reading books on it. You would be amazed on how much information is out there for parents on this subject. My twelve year is going to go after his thirteenth birthday not a day sooner. My seven years has years to wait and knows mommy’s and daddy’s get together and a baby just appears in mommy’s tummy and that is how a baby comes about. Though love. Not all the other stuff. So on sex ed in kindgarden you can have it I’ll rather do private or homeschool before I let my kids be introduce to that.

Posted by: mom of three boys | July 18, 2007, 7:21 pm 7:21 pm

Sex ed in Kindergarten? Why stop there? Why not sex ed in pre-K? Or better yet, sex ed in the womb. The fetus could be taught with ultrasound, unless, of course, those of Obama’s ilk would abort the “learner.”
Heaven help us if that jerk gets in office!

Posted by: Average Citizen | July 18, 2007, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm

It’s always about the ones who don’t have strong parental influence. Is it my fault they don’t. So why should children that do always have to fall in line with children who don’t?? I taught my children about sex at home..Look at government policies and someone wants to say the government should have a hand in what our children learn about sex. Somehow Obama I don’t think teaching sex ed to 4 year old will have them not having sex when they are 15.

Posted by: Nancy | July 18, 2007, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm

I had never planned on voting for Obama in the first place. As far as I’m concerned, this is one of the nails in his political coffin.

Posted by: Anon | July 18, 2007, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm

Why stop at Kindergarten? Why not have a Federal mandate requiring hospitals to have sex educators on hand for the immediate sex education for newborns (age appropriate of course). LOL

Posted by: norman | July 18, 2007, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm

LISTEN.. Not every body lives in a town of population of 1,000. In Big cities all over the country kids are getting sexually abused and raped. Somteimes parents or guardians aren’t there. So teacher’s are just as much a part of a kids life as a parent. If a teacher can teach a kid that no one is to touch them inappropriatley, then I’m all for it..
Is This not part of sex-education?

Posted by: dlo | July 18, 2007, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm

I agree with the posters here who say that sex ed for kindergarteners is completely inappropriate. While sexual education has it’s place in junior high and high school health classes, I think it’s pure insanity to suggest that 5 years need to hear it.
As for all the posters who keep saying “age-appropriate information” such as babies come from mommy’s tummy and not the stork. What kind of crap is that? Most 5 year olds have seen a pregnant woman before, much less seen their own mother pregnant with a sibling. I think all children realize that babies come from mommy’s tummy. I don’t need a school teacher to tell my children that. Furthermore, I hardly believe that anything proposed by the left would be as innocent as that. it’s bound to get into things like the definition of a family, sexuality, etc. Leave it to the parents!

Posted by: Jennie | July 18, 2007, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm

Go ahead and scoff at age-appropriate “sex ed” or however you want to spin it- the fact of the matter is that young children DO need to know that their bodies are their own and nobody should be touching them inappropriately (including other kids). No matter what you think of Obama, have the common sense to infer that he’s not talking about actually having sex…the ignorance of the posts on here are what’s really scary.
Oh, and news flash- sex isn’t going away. You’re not going to prevent it. Accept the reality that teaching self-respect and responsibility is the only way to prevent the STD epidemic that is raging in young people. Hasn’t happened to your kid (that you know of)? They’re probably using protection.
But hey, ignorance is bliss, right?

Posted by: E.B. | July 18, 2007, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm

The biggest misconception on the part of Obama and those who think like he does is that if schools do not teach something, then kids will never learn about the subject in question. That may be true in many cases, but my children should not be subjected to unwanted sexual education (which, make no mistake, will become political in a very short time) at such a young age.
I think there are many people, like me, who do not want teachers lying to their children if a child asks a difficult question; instead, I would prefer they say “That’s an excellent question, you should ask your parents.”

Posted by: Steve | July 18, 2007, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm

GREAT POST E.B.
GO OBAMA!!!!

Posted by: DLO | July 18, 2007, 7:33 pm 7:33 pm

Obama had better not be teaching sex ed to MY kindergartener, that’s for sure. Somebody needs to explain to him the concept of the “Constitution.” Educating kindergarteners is not a Federal mandate, let alone teaching them about sex.

Posted by: Eric | July 18, 2007, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm

He just lost the nomination on that one.
Nobody but crazy fools is going to buy into this nonsense. Kids are not ready for sex education until 5th or 6th grade. That’s why they don’t teach it until 5th or 6th grade.

Posted by: Bradley Morrison | July 18, 2007, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm

How about Drivers Ed in K also… Its never to early…

Posted by: John G | July 18, 2007, 7:44 pm 7:44 pm

OBAMA NEVER SAID TEACH THEM HOW.

Posted by: DLO | July 18, 2007, 7:44 pm 7:44 pm

It’s simple, Obama believes that parents have no say in the education of their children. Remember that when Elian Gonzalez went home to Cuba he was reunited with his real father, Fidel.

Posted by: Bernie | July 18, 2007, 7:44 pm 7:44 pm

I think I’m going to send this guy a bill for 18 years (and counting) of raising three of his “subjects”. In other words, you don’t know my children so shut the hell up.

Posted by: Michele | July 18, 2007, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm

OBAMA,
Put this at the top of your platform and you will positively finish last in any election.

Posted by: Hotrod | July 18, 2007, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm

We should definitely prohibit anti-smoking and anti-drug education too. Why tell kids about these things they’ll just want to go out and try? It’s not the government’s place to encourage our children to be healthy, educated individuals who can positively influence their peers. Who do they think they are?!?!?!

Posted by: E.B. | July 18, 2007, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm

What the hell is wrong with the stork myth at 5-6 years old? If that’s the explanation that the parents want to give at that age then it’s their perogative. Generations of children were told the stork story and some how managed to learn about sex leter in life. While Obama’s at it why doesn’t he introduce legislation allowing the government to tell our 5 year olds that there’s no Santa Clause. Liberals post that the world is not as innocent as it once was and therefore the kids should be educated more. Meanwhile, it’s the liberal policies like this one that destroyed that innocence. Other Liberals say that we are not listening to what Obabma really said. Well, we are listening and we are reading between the lines.

Posted by: vince | July 18, 2007, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm

Whoever is running this campaign has got to talk to him about issues like this. Sex ed is read as sex ed no matter how “age appropriate” it is. If he can’t even define what is age appropriate, he has no business pushing a policy like this no matter how much he defers to local government. A few more gems like this, and I’ll start thinking he wants to hand the nomination to the Clintons.

Posted by: Joe | July 18, 2007, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm

Obama just eliminated himself as a viable candidate for Pres. Sex ed. for 5 year olds – good grief. Let the kids have a childhood for crying out loud.
This is another part of the liberal agenda that belongs in the dust bin of history.

Posted by: Kenneth | July 18, 2007, 7:54 pm 7:54 pm

Aha! The liberal Hawaiian shows his true Aloha spirit! Parents are the first and best teachers, Senator Obama – not politicians or public school teachers.

Posted by: MommyX2 | July 18, 2007, 7:54 pm 7:54 pm

‘It’s a different world now and changing rapidly. Wax poetic on how the world was and watch yourself get left behind, if you’re not already.’ writes Voiceofreason.
Well, maybe things are changing rapidly. But let me pose a question to you, Voiceofreason. Didn’t all the great civilizations of the past see them selves as indestructible? Weren’t they certain of their progressive nature even while in the throes of self-destruction? Where are they now?

Posted by: Dray | July 18, 2007, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm

He’s not saying that at all. He’s saying that age-appropriate sex education is okay. When he talked about Keyes in the mocking tone, don’t you get he was talking about people who purposely mislead like the author of this article (and the sheep that are linked from Drudge, Newsbusters, et al)that will sensationalize it?
Get a clue.

Posted by: True | July 18, 2007, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm

is this guy cracked?? they can’t even teach kids to read and write these day’s, budget cuts are all we need and lots of them now time to start shutting things down, way, way way out of control….

Posted by: Mike | July 18, 2007, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm

It’s pretty important to read this article with a critical mind. The headline suggests that Obama specifically advocates sex ed in Kindergarten, but the man’s quotes are clearly about sex ed in general. Kindergarten isn’t at all his focus; it’s the sensational point the headline exploits so that we’ll read it. Yes, he mentions that sex ed may be available to kindergartners, but he’s clearly not talking about mandatory sex ed for 5 year olds.
He’s saying that kids learn a lot from other kids (“you, as a peer, have enormous power over your age cohort”), and maybe it’s important that the school provide fact-based support which could debunk some of the crap that kids spout. I think that’s a valid point.

Posted by: Kevin | July 18, 2007, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm

You Know. A Teacher have an obligation to keep children safe. For those who think that the parent is the only one that should tell kids about inappropriate sexual contact is wrong. Look, teacher’s on average spend more time with the children than the parents themselves. Let’s look past our inner child telling us its to icky to discuss and let’s deal with reality. Children need to know.
These are different times we live in..
we ain’t in kansas anymore.

Posted by: DLO | July 18, 2007, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm

It’s important for schools to lay a foundation for sex education. I would guess that most parents avoid the sex issue all together with their children. Schools are there to give kids the foundation to be successful in life including social skills, sex education, physical education (not just to read and write). If they don’t learn it from the schools or parents, they will get it from their peers through misguided information and experimentation. Why is America so closed minded?

Posted by: Josh P | July 18, 2007, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm

Amazing! ABC “news” actually reports the revealing truth on Obama’s moral values. Now, if only the same scrutiny were applied to the other leftist, progressive Democrat candidates- Clinton & Edwards. We’d see their true selves- immoral, anti-religious socialists who believe an elitist government knows best.

Posted by: YankeeSkeptic | July 18, 2007, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm

kindergarten is way too late to learn about sex! i propose implanting a chip into every fetus!

Posted by: florzoi | July 18, 2007, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm

ahhh yes. To have a monopoly on the media like the good ole days eh? This was one of those campaign stops that was supposed to be under the radar. Liberals only report the news THEY see as fit. That’s their problem with Drudge, Limbaugh et al. Not used to having the truth out there! Used to be able to lie lie lie and get away with it!

Posted by: Michele | July 18, 2007, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm

Well, Yankee, since religion has no place in government (per the Constitution), I suppose it doesn’t really matter.

Posted by: E.B. | July 18, 2007, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm

….it just makes me want to cry….once for the children and once for the country.

Posted by: fry | July 18, 2007, 8:06 pm 8:06 pm

Obama is a MORON

Posted by: Mike | July 18, 2007, 8:06 pm 8:06 pm

If anyone is interested in why he suggests teaching this material in schools just look at many of the posts here.
Anyone can see that many of the people here could not tell their kids where babies come from.
He was not talking about showing porn but he was talking about answering questions for kids. More then most parents do these days.

Posted by: Lee Yarbrough | July 18, 2007, 8:08 pm 8:08 pm

Kindergarteners do not need sex ed – period. End of story. I can’t believe that there is even a debate regarding this. I swear to God this country needs another Depression and a World War so we can get our minds back on what is important.

Posted by: I'm Right - You're Left | July 18, 2007, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm

R. Power, you’re “enlightened” America sure has done a bang up job of leading the USA into the 21st Century, since the 1960’s (civil rights aside) the liberal left have taken the greatest nation on Earth and turned it into a single parent abortion factory addicted to pop culture, self gratification, selfishness, insecurity, greed, surgically altered, medicated freak show.
Thanks, if this is your idea of progress then please beam me back to the 1800s so I can live a simple, peaceful life where people are honest not made of plastic.

Posted by: Liberal Fruitcake | July 18, 2007, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm

Hey E.B. Speaking of the Constitution…
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion” why do people not see that word called “LAW”. a law has to be passed respecting an establishment of religion in order for it to be a violation of the constitution. Congress can say they like Christianity and even put every Christian art piece in the building and would still not violate the constitution. show me a LAW where congress has promoted religion?

Posted by: Liberal Fruitcake | July 18, 2007, 8:17 pm 8:17 pm

But bashing opposing political parties is SO important! Why work to find common ground? That’s no fun! This county wasn’t built on compromise, you know.

Posted by: E.B. | July 18, 2007, 8:18 pm 8:18 pm

I’ve read no comments that mention teaching them (from books which will soon be showing 2 different kinds of mommies)- about how we must be tolerant of “homosexuals” – and no need to even say the word. Just reading stories to them about all these different lifestyles will validate in their impressionable minds that this behavior is okay.

Posted by: Bonnie | July 18, 2007, 8:19 pm 8:19 pm

The person “J” who made the comment “GROW UP AMERICA AND EDUCATE YOUR KIDS” obviously doesn’t understand the opposition to Obama’s comments inspite of actually alluding to it in their own comment. It is the job of the PARENTS of the child to educate their children regarding sex and NOT a kindergarten teacher. I’d also be willing to bet that the children that were taught by “abusive nuns” turned out to be much better members of the community than those taught in the public school system; and I firmly believe statistics will prove that as fact. Just look at the dumbing down of test schools, especially in city public schools in major cities of the United States and you’ll see the difference. Children need to learn reading and writing in school; and not sex. That’s the parent’s job.

Posted by: Jan | July 18, 2007, 8:21 pm 8:21 pm

Keep in mind that when he uses the phrase “sex education” it encompasses far more then the basics and transcends into human sexuality and behavior which is covered in “Guidelines for Comprehensive Sexuality – Kindergarten-12th Grade,” 3rd Edition, which can be viewed here:
http://www.siecus.org/pubs/guidelines/guidelines.pdf
Scan the publication for Level 1 guidelines which include “Level 1: middle childhood, ages 5 through 8; early elementary school”. A direct method is to search for the phrase “Level 1.”

Posted by: Dr. No | July 18, 2007, 8:23 pm 8:23 pm

It’s truly sad to see your over-reaction to this. Do you people not have lives? Jobs?
The HATE is just so palpable. I am sad for all of you who just can’t see past the hate.
Kids need to understand appropriate and inappropriate touching, don’t they?

Posted by: You folks are NUTS | July 18, 2007, 8:24 pm 8:24 pm

Whoever wrote this blog and put that sensationalistic title should be ashamed. You’re no better than the Drudge Report, which is linking this. “Age appropriate sex education” is hardly a shocking concept, and the only reason that this is a story is because you are distorting a position.

Posted by: TC | July 18, 2007, 8:27 pm 8:27 pm

Dr. No: Don’t force these folks to read, it’ll hurt their brains.
Seriously, they are going to open that link and focus on the stuff that makes them squeamish. Of course, I guarantee these people are anti-masturbation and will lie to us and say they’ve never masturbated.
yeah, riiiiiight
LOL

Posted by: You folks are NUTS | July 18, 2007, 8:28 pm 8:28 pm

This makes perfect sense. I remember being curious as to where humans came from at an early age. I armed myself with the knowledge of science and I was able to learn and grow from that.
What is so wrong about this?

Posted by: Robert Mossinger | July 18, 2007, 8:28 pm 8:28 pm

“Anyone can see that many of the people here could not tell their kids where babies come from.”
LY–
PLEASE tell me you see the problem with this statement and that you are having a nice chuckle at your own expense after reflecting for a moment.
“He was not talking about showing porn but he was talking about answering questions for kids. More then most parents do these days.”
No matter. How a family conducts its business is none of YOUR business and certainly not government’s. It is also not the government’s place to impose its (Obama’s) idea about what is appropriate to present to small children regarding sex on families who have no choice but to send their children to these government indocrintation mills. I just love people like you who probably profess a great love for liberty and privacy and self-determination, yet are just peachy-keen about the most insidious intrusions simply because those intrusions fit YOUR worldview.

Posted by: Chet Lemon | July 18, 2007, 8:30 pm 8:30 pm

Look people! It’s another jackass uncovering a rock for another vote or two. Once realizing that what he said was questionable, he refers to “advisors” for help in damage control. Alas no different than any mainstream politician I’ve ever encountered.

Posted by: Jason | July 18, 2007, 8:31 pm 8:31 pm

Actually, Fruitcake, an exclusively religious display on government property, may, in some cases, violate the Establishment Clause. The Supreme Court held in Allegheney County v. ACLU (1989) that an exclusively religious display of a nativity scene in a prominent government building was an unconstitutional violation of the Establishment Clause.
So if Congress wanted to do as you said, and it was challenged, the USSC would apply the long-used 3-prong test from Lemon v. Kurtzman. And it probably wouldn’t pass.
But I know you can read since you know the 1st Amendment has the word “law” in it! Read on, Fruitcake, read on!

Posted by: E.B. | July 18, 2007, 8:34 pm 8:34 pm

You know what they say “It takes a village.”

Posted by: Bud | July 18, 2007, 8:36 pm 8:36 pm

Chet Lemon: Damn straight that it’s MY business what YOUR kids know. Last thing I need is YOUR kid not knowing squat about sex ed, so he (a) gets another kid pregnant because you’ve left him IGNORANT, (b) making fun of another kid’s penis, so that other kid hangs himself, (c) a million other things that happen when people are allowed to remain ignorant.
as long as people’s behavior can cause problems, the government has a right to educate them to avoid those problems.
It’s funny how the only people who don’t like this are also anti-gay. LOL. Probably anti a lot of other things.
Oh, the haters just keep hatin

Posted by: You folks are NUTS | July 18, 2007, 8:37 pm 8:37 pm

what exactly do you people have against homosexuality?
you know, tolerating gays doesn’t mean YOU have to become gay
you get that, right?

Posted by: You folks are NUTS | July 18, 2007, 8:38 pm 8:38 pm

last time I checked, the church had “stolen” more kids than the gubmint had
der….don’t ya thank???

Posted by: You folks are NUTS | July 18, 2007, 8:40 pm 8:40 pm

I am all for educating our children with age appropriate sexual information. However, it should be left up to the PARENTS, notT the government. Maybe the government could help the parents, but ultimatly it is the responsability of the parents. It is a slippery slope if we start having the government bringing up our children.
Is the government going to replace the parents, are family values going to continue to disappear in our country.

Posted by: Bert Miami, Florida | July 18, 2007, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm

Has Obama spent ONE DAY, let alone DAY AFTER DAY in a Kindergarten classroom??
I spent 2 days a week in my son’s public school Kindergarten class last year. Only 1/2 of the kid’s meet state standards as it was. What do we bump off the curriculum to teach that “babies don’t come from storks”?
Sex Ed isn’t about dispelling myths. Kids by this age REALIZE that birds don’t bring babies.
Perhaps Mr. Obama’s children think they do and it is a personal problem he has in his home. My children know that mommy goes to the hospital where the doctor helps the baby come out of her tummy.
Obama needs to give us, as parents some credit for having a clue, let alone an occasional conversation with OUR OWN children. And maybe he should have a few more talks with his own.

Posted by: Apparently NOT a Stork | July 18, 2007, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm

Maybe we should teach finance to kindergartners. Adults in poverty suffer not only from the effects of early pregnancy and STDs, they also are very poor managers of money. Budgeting, Microeeconomics and Short Calc for Kids! It’s the only way to save the children.
And if nearly half of kids are suffering from lack of early sex education, what about the more than half who aren’t? Why aren’t they getting knocked up and itchy? Any 15-19 year old who doesn’t know where babies come from has bigger problems.

Posted by: Chuck | July 18, 2007, 8:50 pm 8:50 pm

I’m not sure how good a job you guys are doing with your kids, if you expect kindergarten to be teaching them colors, the ABCs, and how to share. My kids knew that by the time they were three, and I’d bet YOUR kids would have, too, if you’d done more than put them in front of a TV set. No wonder most kids can’t learn anything in school – they are being held back because the teachers have to teach YOUR kids the ABCs, colors, how to share
[insert head bang]
LOL

Posted by: You folks are NUTS | July 18, 2007, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm

Obama ABSOLUTELY did not say ANYTHING about sex ed for Kindergarteners!
Watch the damn video! Here- in case you skipped over it at the beginning because you were so blinded by the big, misleading headline:
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=3386492
There should be an intelligence test to vote. One that requires accurate knowledge of issues.

Posted by: E.B. | July 18, 2007, 10:14 pm 10:14 pm

All he is saying is that if a kid asks a question you give them a correct scientific answer. I agree, not much of this comes up in kindergarten, but questions DO come up. Teaching facts is NOT indoctrination, teaching that it is abnormal to have sexual feelings and that abstinenence is the way ehen the peiople who administer the program and flaunt it as “a solutuion’ get caught up in prostitution rings. Take a look, the guy who administered the program and one of the chief senate backers were BOTH caught. Absti. does empower kids if they make that choice, but most people I know think it is great for someone else, especially their own daughters, but not for them personally.

Posted by: Ron Orf | July 18, 2007, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm

Another bright idea from a bonified socialist. God save us from these liberal morons.

Posted by: dave | July 18, 2007, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm

As a practicing Roman Catholic, the whole Planned Parenthood, kids are going to do it anyway, let’s make sure they have access to abortion lobby makes me sick. If Obama supports this, there’s no way I support Obama.

Posted by: Backyard Bob | July 18, 2007, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm

Shame on you, Barack Obama. Children are precious and innocent. When liberal kooks like Obama propose such nonsense, it just reinforces the fact that liberals don’t know what they are talking about, they have no sense of morality or even common sense. I am not fooled by Obama’s brand of fake politics. He should actually sit still for a moment and contemplate the tripe that comes out of his mouth. Ronald Reagan—please come back.

Posted by: Kevin Solid | July 18, 2007, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm

LOL that’s great, sex education for 8 year olds. You liberals have some pretty great ideas, no wonder you never win elections.

Posted by: Squonkamatic | July 18, 2007, 10:19 pm 10:19 pm

Really, Squonkamatic? Never? We must live in two different countries.

Posted by: E.B. | July 18, 2007, 10:21 pm 10:21 pm

E.B. wrote:
There should be an intelligence test to vote. One that requires accurate knowledge of issues.
Oh, so now we are going to decide who can and cannot vote? You libs already want to limit who can and cannot run for president, anything else the rest of us should know??

Posted by: Squonkamatic | July 18, 2007, 10:22 pm 10:22 pm

E.B. also wrote:
“Really, Squonkamatic? Never? We must live in two different countries.”
Isn’t that what your buddy John Edwards runs around saying? “Two Americas?” Please step away from the keyboard and consider yourself owned.

Posted by: Squonkamatic | July 18, 2007, 10:25 pm 10:25 pm

Personally, I liked Obama before, but now? Uhhhh. No.

Posted by: Not yet a soccer mom | July 18, 2007, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm

Here’s one great reason to talk to kids about reproduction and sexuality earlier. They’re becoming biological adults earlier. They need to be educated about biology and sexuality is just another aspect of it. Sex ed isn’t a how to, it’s cautionary.
http://www.time.com/time/pacific/magazine/20001030/cover.html

Posted by: liberal and proud | July 18, 2007, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm

Dear Squonk,
I was being factitious, obviously. I’m liberal! Everything for everyone!
Right to vote–> fundamental right
If you read any of my posts, you can tell I love Constitutional Law- I’ll spit it out all night.

Posted by: E.B. | July 18, 2007, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm

Interestingly, I haven’t seen any individuals posting comments concerning who Obama spoke to. It was Planned Parenthood. Who do you think will be teaching our kids sex education? Perhaps the same people who run a profitable business giving out condoms, birth control, and performing abortions. Doesn’t this strike anyone out there as conflicted? Give me a break. I’m glad I don’t live in Illinois, and I really hope this guy doesn’t become president.

Posted by: jstine8585 | July 18, 2007, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm

P.S. I don’t like John Edwards.

Posted by: E.B. | July 18, 2007, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm

Get your children out of public schools NOW!

Posted by: Richard | July 18, 2007, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm

As a mother of 5 children currently in a public school system, I’d like to know when they’re going to squeeze this “curriculum” into the school day that’s already jam packed with learning how to take all those standardized tests the gov’t thinks are so great??
I wish this issue was as simple as some of you are trying to make it that it’s only giving teachers the go-ahead to tell kids that no, babies don’t come from storks or teaching kids about inappropriate touching, but it’s never that simple when dealing with liberals and socialists.

Posted by: pjck | July 18, 2007, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm

Oh those silly Libs, aren’t they funny?
What next, issue the kids drivers licenses so they can drive themselves back and forth to school?

Posted by: jj | July 18, 2007, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm

Obama is an EMPTY SUIT.

Posted by: Randy Smith | July 18, 2007, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm

Sex Ed in Kindergarten is not only inappropriate but a dangerous mind set.
As a child psychologist I see here an attempt by liberals to further indoctrinate our children.
This is another example why LIBERALS ARE DANGEROUS

Posted by: John Free | July 18, 2007, 10:50 pm 10:50 pm

Obama says teach Kindergartners sexeducation

Seriously, I cant believe this, a Senator is suggesting that sex education is alright as long as it is age appropriate or whatever that means.  Iex cant imaging teaching sex education to kids.  I have friends with a kinder…

Posted by: A Conservative Techie | July 18, 2007, 10:52 pm 10:52 pm

And I never used to understand why people voted Republican.
What a freak. Little kids couldn’t understand that stuff. Oh, I understood man likes woman. I did, anyway. You going to have the visual demonstration played out in porn tapes after quiet time?

Posted by: Alext | July 18, 2007, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm

There is no free speech on this blog. ABC owns it.

Posted by: E.B. | July 18, 2007, 10:58 pm 10:58 pm

Joclyn Elders had, I’d thought, taught through example why politicians should not mix “sex” and “kindergarteners”.
What an idiot Obama’s turned out to be.
Watch Hillary put her foot in her mouth too.

Posted by: Billybob 9 | July 18, 2007, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm

Hey ABC—You can dish it out but you can’t take it. Cowards!!!

Posted by: Kevin Solid | July 18, 2007, 11:07 pm 11:07 pm

Planned Parenthood would not teach abstinence, more like they would teach: use a condom if you have one, but if not that’s ok.
This is the same organization that makes money by abortions with or without parents consent.
Isn’t this like having the fox guard the henhouse?

Posted by: Barracktheidiot | July 18, 2007, 11:07 pm 11:07 pm

Funny thing happened on the way to the Apollo last night…. Sex ed for kindergarten? Puhlease. Instead of the teacher explaining the difference in sexes and being anatomically coreect; how about the PARENTS do it? Oh that’s right, in Obama land the parents may not give a damn nor may there be more than one. This is another chip away at individual responsibility and an opening for big government to intervene as they see fit into our lives. I guess we are just too stupid to to take responsibility for our own children and hold ourselves accountable. Ooohhh, I know, that means teaching morality and ethics to our children. Maybe even introduce them to 10 rules to live by. Ahem- that would be those pesky commandments by the way. Not to mention the federal funds that will be “needed” to support such a program. Wake up. Take responsibility for yourself and don’t expect the government to do it by redistributing your income because of someone else’s failure to educate their own children.

Posted by: Mike | July 18, 2007, 11:08 pm 11:08 pm

Whoeer said teen pregagancy is at an all time low is so wrong. Education is they key to survival, teaching children from a young age about touching others is very wise. How many stories have you heard about pre teens and younger abusing someone, bad touching, or being molested themselves, educating our children from all dangers at age level lessons is the answer. Studies show babies are able to hear in the womb as soon as a child is able to understand that child should be taught whatever they are able to understand, so they are able to make right choices with their bodies, Children areexperiencing sexually a lot more these days at younger ages, why not equipp them with the knowledge at their age level?

Posted by: bobby | July 18, 2007, 11:09 pm 11:09 pm

I find it interesting that nobody thinks the government should legislate what they should think–instead, they should do it themselves! Since parents have volumes of information regarding how children’s minds work to comprehend and analyze information, and have a deep understanding of the education system, they would definitely know that age-appropriate ‘sex ed’–which really wouldn’t be sex ed at all–is wrong.
Conservatism is irrational, because too often people take it off the deep end and become reactionary. Why are you here? Because Drudge linked it and said OMG ITS KILLING AMERICA and someone read two sentences and was like OMG MATT DRUDGE, HE’S ALWAYS THERE TO PROTECT OUR VALUES…and so they agree with him. Ever listen to right-wing talk radio? It isn’t informational. It’s indoctrination. “X LAW IS AGAINST AMERICAN VALUES! Y POLITICIAN IS AN EVIL SCHEMING LIBERAL!” There’s no information there. And most of the anti-Obama posts here have no factual basis as their foundation, only a reaction against an idea proposed by a liberal, because he’s liberal.
If Bush said it, it’d be good as gold, unless it was immigration, when all of the right-wing establishment was at arms…but they forgave him quickly enough, didn’t they?

Posted by: Just another guy | July 18, 2007, 11:09 pm 11:09 pm

Enough already! Who does Obama think he is? I’ve had enough of the state and government telling me how to raise my kids. My husband and I made the CHOICE to have kids on our own. They are OUR responsibility. It is NOT the STATE’S responsibility to teach my kids ANYTHING. I have homeschooled for 18 years, and thank God every day that I have. This country is going down the toilet faster and faster every day. This is just another example of government taking over the family. It makes me sick where our country is going. Another reason to stay away from Barak Obama – this guy is a nutcase if he thinks the state knows how to raise kids better than parents. He’s a dangerous man.

Posted by: Kath | July 18, 2007, 11:09 pm 11:09 pm

Kath, do you have any degree which certifies you to teach your children, say, the theories behind Shakespeare or Chemistry or Biology?
You don’t.
Your ignorance–and the ignorance which you pass on to your children, by not allowing them an education rooted in facts, not biblical history and other such nonsense–is what’s sending this country down the tubes, fast.
We’ve got brain drain, bad, and it’s because an army of conservatives aren’t just anti-liberal, they’re anti-intellectual. Smart is bad.

Posted by: Just another guy | July 18, 2007, 11:12 pm 11:12 pm

Guess it’s going to be Clinton-Edwards, now.

Posted by: ConWop | July 18, 2007, 11:17 pm 11:17 pm

No wonder more and more people home school…

Posted by: Matt | July 18, 2007, 11:17 pm 11:17 pm

ConcernedinBoulder, I seem to recall that, when Bill O’Reilly dragged two of the kids in front of him, one of whom was vehemently opposed to the evil liberal (but seriously honest and straightforward discussions) of drug abuse, and the other who supported it, pulling lines from Bill’s own book, noting his stories of drug use.
And let’s not forget little Rush Limbaugh’s pill problem.
Drug abuse is real. Sex is real. Get your head out of the sand and realize that unless we tell our teens what the real world is like, they’ll never navigate it. Sheltering people isn’t effective as a defense against the world, because it doesn’t work forever.

Posted by: Just another guy | July 18, 2007, 11:20 pm 11:20 pm

Hey Just another guy—you need to shut your pie hole. You don’t know what you are talking about. Home schoolers know how to conduct themselves, they know how to speak well and they respect their elders. Most of your public schoolers will be looking forward to a career of ” Would you like fries with that”

Posted by: Kevin Solid | July 18, 2007, 11:23 pm 11:23 pm

What benefit does a KINDERGARTENER get from knowing where he came from via his/her teacher?
So, you’re telling me that this is the only thing that will be taught: “You came from your Mommy and Daddy and grew in your Mommy’s tummy/uterus.”
What other curriculum do they have planned for these little children? Did you want to know that when you were a kindergartner?
Heaven forbid that we allow them to be young, with a chance to develop at a normal speed. Don’t we already relinquish too many rights to others? Aren’t people already dumping their young babies/children off to PRE-kindergarten… rushing them to grow-up too quickly, stressing them with too much, not having enough parent time with them ourselves.
We need to make sure that we protect our kids — not have adult concepts shoved down their throats when all they want to do is color, dance, sing, learn to read, play ball, make friends.
Tell you what, why don’t the teachers take them to the zoo/farm? There are so many scenarios that can be observed.
Have the children watch an animal give birth, Discovery Channel has loads of episodes on this — life has ways of showing children naturally, we don’t need a form of indoctrination.

Posted by: Debrar | July 18, 2007, 11:23 pm 11:23 pm

JAG – We are talking about FIVE YEAR OLDS …. NOT TEENS!!! YOU LIBS ARE ADVOCATING THE DRUGS… This was not an “honest straightforward discussion” this was Advocating the Experimentation of Drugs!
I don’t give a rats behind about Bill or Rush!

Posted by: ConcernedinBoulder | July 18, 2007, 11:24 pm 11:24 pm

IS NOTHING SACRED ANYMORE -KIDS DON’T NEED TO BE TAUGHT IT IS “NATURAL”
good lord! I dont need someone from washington telling me how to raise my kid.

Posted by: you gotta be kidding me | July 18, 2007, 11:25 pm 11:25 pm

Proving the repubs don’t have a corner on misnomer rhetoric
“the right thing to do” = wrong thing to do.
“pay their fair share” = pay signficantly more than their “fair share”
“employee free choice act” = replacing free elections with union thugs stalking your house.

Posted by: worker | July 18, 2007, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm

Really? Respecting one’s elders blindly, simply because they are elders, is as bad as…well, it’s not independent thought.
And independent thought is good, not bad. Last I checked, most of our Presidents over the past century or so weren’t home-schooled. Neither were most of our big C.E.O.’s. Einstein certainly wasn’t. Why? Because a parent simply does not have the expertise or experience in educating to provide a sufficiently deep and broad education to their child. Teachers are not just paid liberals indoctrinating children. They actually are experts in their fields. And in school–public especially, but even private–students are exposed to opposing viewpoints, which challenges them intellectually but will make them stronger.
You have no grasp on educational theory, Kevin Solid. Period. And there is theory–and science–to it. Real education cannot be undertaken arbitrarily.

Posted by: Just another guy | July 18, 2007, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm

This is because the libs answer to everything is let the government do it for them …. “We will teach you what to think and how to think it.” Where as homeschoolers in particular teach children how to think, which usually scares the hell out of the libs.

Posted by: govguy | July 18, 2007, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm

You can’t seriously be saying that an educational environment in which there is only one influence–the parent–is a balanced, ‘how-to-think’ environment.
Seriously, cut me a break. You’re deathly afraid of liberals anyway, there’s no way you’d expose your children to both schools of thought in a fair and unbiased manner.

Posted by: Just another guy | July 18, 2007, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm

govguy—you are right on!!! You said it perfectly. Kudos.

Posted by: Kevin Solid | July 18, 2007, 11:32 pm 11:32 pm

To all of you who support this:
Go watch a KINDERGARTNER and see how interested they are in sex. You must be thinking with your own hormones.
Let children be children, the time comes soon enough to begin the complex teachings of sex education .. including responsibility, parenthood, commitment, love, loyalty, ETC.

Posted by: Debrar | July 18, 2007, 11:32 pm 11:32 pm

Sounds like I need to move to Boulder!

Posted by: E.B. | July 18, 2007, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm

Obama is really just being an ass here. I used to teach secondary Social Studies and I always felt like I could never do a quality job because of all the federal (and state) mandates and properly-applied pc-language. I got sick of kids being OBSESSED with sex, who was dating who, instead of paying attention to their learning (and the parents regardless of politics who have no clue how their children behave).
While there are many public school teachers who try and try to do their best, they are often sabotaged by the following: parents like Mr. Nutter who condescend and have no room in their tiny brains for others’ views, the federal/state government wanting some new multicultural view or movement taught instead of American History, and parents (not those like Jason) who are so uninvolved their kids look for love/attention in all the wrong places.
If people on this board really think that public schools have the time, training, and wherewithal to teach sex-ed to kindergartners, think again. I’ve been in those classrooms (as a substitute teacher) and kids are so micromanaged by federal/state curriculum mandates that if you fit one more thing in there, their little minds will explode. I mean, folks, some of these kids are so stressed out because they’re tested every other week (just look at the first graders – especially if you live in Colorado!). Do any of you really feel comfortable letting someone else teach your kids about reproductive anatomy (especially if it’s by someone who isn’t even trained to do so)?
The teacher in me thinks that there are those who are too eager to defend the indefensible and would rather attack those who want to prolong their kids’ childhoods just a little longer. What’s wrong with that? I’ve seen what happens when you start too early: kids so consumed by their hormones, dating,
or sexuality to be concerned with preparing for the future (or willing to
just throw said future away).
As a teacher, I wouldn’t feel comfort-
able teaching any “age-appropriate” sex
ed to a kindergartner. What happened to parents raising their children rather than the schools raising them? Yes, there are irresponible parents out there (some of them not even citizens of this country) who couldn’t be bothered being parents.
Most parents I’ve met as a teacher are
one of the following: a)so permissive
they have no clue that Johnny or Sally
isn’t doing jack in my class, b)so over
involved that they’re micromanaging
their kids’ lives and not letting them
breathe, or c)concerned, even overwhelm-
ed by life’s demands but willing to do
what it takes to make sure their kids
get what they need from school to be
well-mannered, responsible, and well-
adapted to handle life as adults. I’ve
seen the way certain adults (even in
my own family) handle their sex lives
in an irresponible way and shouldn’t be
lecturing anybody else on how to teach
kids about sex.
I think that the federal/state govern-
ments have tinkered with education so
much as it is that education has been
distorted into a forum where every sub
group (from homosexuals to illegal
aliens) needs to be accepted. Kids aren’t allowed to learn what they need to because it’s been twisted to fit some warped test or agenda. Do any of you wonder why the US is the laughing stock of the world when it comes to education, why we don’t even rank in the top 10? No, I think that enough politicians (on both sides of the aisle) have experimented with education enough. This is why so many parents are perturbed with yet another politician (Obama) redefining what needs to be taught to kindergartners. It’s time to let kids be kids instead of little robots that suck in information
just to unload it on some test and then forget it at a later date.
Parents need to be role models to their kids not their buddies. Without discipline, individual responsibility, and accountability taught to kids by both parents and schools, sex ed will be nothing but a joke. Teachers know it (or should) and so should parents.

Posted by: emjem24 | July 18, 2007, 11:35 pm 11:35 pm

“Teacher’s experts in their fields…” hah you obviously don’t have school age children enrolled. BTW homeschooling has only recently gone mainstream as an alternative to public re-education.
“paid liberals indoctrinating children” – ok “guy” go to the local public university and how many are conservative … none with tenure. Ward Churchill and his “little Eickmanns” are tenured at the nearby University … indoctrination is the mission for their ilk.

Posted by: concernedinBoulder | July 18, 2007, 11:36 pm 11:36 pm

emjem24 – thank you for a balanced opinion!

Posted by: concernedinBoulder | July 18, 2007, 11:40 pm 11:40 pm

I have three kids and I am ABSOLUTELLY responsible for their upbringing. Dare you tell me how to do it!? Or you make the government force me!? I am supposed to carefully consider the options and not for you to dictate them to me. Liberals and democrats – how they hate everything I cherish. How purely I hate most of your despicable agenda. Degenerate and wasteful minds. Enemies of my children! You pain my heart so deeply. I wish this country was physically split into two politically. As soon as you change your mind, go on the other side. Oh, how doomed my children are in this ever decaying society.
And you fools who think that education is the answer. It is not you blind people. The answer to most evils is a loving mother and father that give the child a healthy heart in a confusing world. An educated mind with a twisted heart is worse than a simple person with a warm heart. Education! Hope in vain. The more educated the more refined the evil. Education needs to be subordinate to a loving and generous heart. What a lost America!

Posted by: Florin | July 18, 2007, 11:40 pm 11:40 pm

Memo to Barack Hussein Obama, Hillary Rodham and the rest of you anti-family, anti-American, leftist feminist kooks: Keep your leftist “values” to yourselves and your own children and keep your leftist fundamentalist religious cult and its “values” out of public schools.

Posted by: Tom | July 18, 2007, 11:42 pm 11:42 pm

Florin,
you should adopt a gaggle of kids because there are a lot out there who could use a mother and father with a warm heart.

Posted by: E.B. | July 18, 2007, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm

Florin – HERE HERE!
Absolutely, especially here in Boulder!
OT
Which reminds me, I thought the excuse for muslim suicide bombers was lack of education opportunities… now I read headlines of “Muslim Doctors” doing it, I guess the lack educational opportunities was not the answer to that problem!?!

Posted by: concerned | July 18, 2007, 11:45 pm 11:45 pm

Actually, I’m a relatively recent product of the public-school system.
I feel qualified to say that my teachers knew precisely what they were talking about; I was educated by both self-identified liberals and conservatives; and I know that, in spite of the myriad regulations put in place, both by liberal and conservative Congresses (No Child Left Behind passed under Bush and with his signature, remember, and that’s the source of a majority of the current testing)–I recieved a good education. I’m attending a top-tier liberal arts school (oh no! LIBERAL arts!), but even friends of mine who attend state schools note that there is a significant conservative movement in education, which occasionally provides balance, and occasionally overcompensates for the liberal aspect–to the point where it’s distateful.
And emjem, how can you honestly say that you’ve seen parents make poor decisions in their sex lives, but they are still the only ones qualified to teach their children? That’s smacking of hypocrisy. Schools certainly shouldn’t provide moral judgment in favor of young sexual activity, but as many have noted, it is most certainly a reality, and to simply say “abstinence only, don’t have sex kids!” is irrational. Also, a nifty little study showed that girls were more likely to have sex if they wore chastity rings or made similar pledges.
Gotta love those naughty Christian girls, going behind the backs of daddies like you and sneaking off with sons who have daddies like you–and odds are, you were that son 20 or 30 or 40 years ago.
We’re all human; we all have human tendencies and inclinations. We’re sexual beings, for instance. Reactionaries just don’t like that fact sometimes. It’s…what’s the phrase?
An inconvenient truth.

Posted by: Just another guy | July 18, 2007, 11:46 pm 11:46 pm

Florin, I wish every child in this world had loving parents. But not every one does. It’s a sad fact of society, and a reflection on the liberal attitude that a family doesn’t matter.

Posted by: james | July 18, 2007, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm

I guess if having a differing, informed, legally educated, opinion makes me the village idiot, then so be it!

Posted by: E.B. | July 18, 2007, 11:50 pm 11:50 pm

What can you expect from a far left liberal? I agree with the nuns comment.
Obama is a pure joke, put up by a group of people who are pure jokes. Unfortunately, there will be some who agree. I say, why don’t the democats keep sex out of school, and stay out of our children’s bedroom. It is nobody’s business how or what I say to my own kids about sex, or when I say it.

Posted by: Pat Niwer | July 18, 2007, 11:52 pm 11:52 pm

would America be safer if we abolished liberals, liberalism , and the Democratic party?

Posted by: Inquiring mind | July 18, 2007, 11:53 pm 11:53 pm

E.B.—I just complemented you and you had to show your true lib colors with your slam on religion. Tsk. Tsk.

Posted by: Kevin Solid | July 18, 2007, 11:54 pm 11:54 pm

Sex education is already being taught, for example, in Europe, from the grammar school years, up through high school. There is open and realistic information for young people to avail themselves of, resulting in much, much fewer unwanted teenage pregnancies.
It hasn’t prevented young people from having sex, but it has given them a realistic alternative, instead of the idiotic, government-financed U.S. programs advocating abstinence, theories about how “condoms don’t work”, etc., which are largely, now, starting to be avoided.
Hopefully, Americans are evolving on this subject, and will get to the practical place Europeans, and other places around the world, are, and have been for so many years.

Posted by: Chris | July 18, 2007, 11:59 pm 11:59 pm

This is another case whereby the government of Sodom and/or Gomorrah wanting to indoctrinate little childrens sexual education!

Posted by: RJ | July 18, 2007, 11:59 pm 11:59 pm

Teaching children about health and their bodies at a young age honestly and in a way which is appropriate and understandable, does not prevent parents from instilling values or teach them to have sex.
I learned what sex was when I was in first grade from an older kid. It would have been better if I learned it at school in a scientific way, but me knowing didn’t cause me to have sex as a child. Or even as a teenager.
Someone brought up big government…Obama distinctly said it would be a local decision for local school boards.
Clearly we can’t rely on parents. ‘Cause some of you are parents, who don’t even attempt to understand a point of view before ignorantly banishing it away.

Posted by: Andrew | July 19, 2007, 12:00 am 12:00 am

Kevin, I wasn’t slamming religion. But muslim suicide bombers DO kill others in the name of religion…fact?
Maybe lack of education outside their faith…but I don’t think being educated doctors prevents muslims from having strong religious beliefs.
Furthermore, just because I don’t think religion and government should mix doesn’t mean I don’t have religious beliefs.
I just want the government to stay out of my religious life!
Common ground!

Posted by: E.B. | July 19, 2007, 12:01 am 12:01 am

Anyone, when forced to say enough words, will say something stupid – in Senator Obama’s case, it just took fewer words than it would some others.

Posted by: Missourimule | July 19, 2007, 12:03 am 12:03 am

sad thing about awful bush presidency is that a Liberal weirdo like oboma will probably get elected and we’ll have all sorts of ‘progressive’ garbage like ‘sex for kindergartners.’
sad but true.

Posted by: augie | July 19, 2007, 12:05 am 12:05 am

E.B.—Preach it, blog brother!

Posted by: Kevin Solid | July 19, 2007, 12:05 am 12:05 am

That’s blog sister, to you, Kevin.

Posted by: E.B. | July 19, 2007, 12:07 am 12:07 am

sad thing about awful bush presidency is that a Liberal weirdo like oboma will probably get elected and we’ll have all sorts of ‘progressive’ garbage like ‘sex for kindergartners.’
sad but true.

Posted by: augie | July 19, 2007, 12:09 am 12:09 am

Folks, I don’t give a crap how “general” or how “age appropriate” the sex education is. I have 4 kids, all are older than kindergarden. I live in a very liberal state, a state that has not had any electoral votes for a Republican presidential candidate in my lifetime. I never was taught any sex education in school, I never received any “man to man” talk from my father. But I totally understood what would happen to me if I got anybody pregnant before I finished college. That’s all I needed to know.
One of the major problems with our society is that we have this mentality that more laws, more regulations, and more policies will result in an improved society. There is no more public trust in our parents. Everyone seems afraid of what might happen if the control was not in the hands of the government agencies.
The intent of our representative democracy is not to control everything, but to only control the essential functions that can not properly exist without such control. The military for example.

Posted by: Tom | July 19, 2007, 12:10 am 12:10 am

E.B.—Please excuse me! Or DOHHH! as Homer Simpson says! I think you may be a conservative one day. Just keep blogging on down the road!

Posted by: Kevin Solid | July 19, 2007, 12:10 am 12:10 am

The Demo ticket will probably be
Hillary and Barack for Vice…
I want nothing to do with that village!

Posted by: RJ | July 19, 2007, 12:11 am 12:11 am

I’m glad to see you all completely read the article where Obama states that the extent of the program contains the difference between a male and a female and that there isn’t a stork. I support him in this, especially after my coworkers FIVE YEAR OLD SON just came back from summer camp discussing sex because his classmates were talking about. And we live in the nice part of town. Public or private school.
and no. THIS TOPIC, and Barack Obama aren’t what is wrong with America. It’s ignorant people who don’t try to get all the facts together before stating their opinion that is wrong with America, among a multitude of other thing. Like a poor healthcare system that doesn’t provide coverage to the people who pour money into it.

Posted by: Kendall | July 19, 2007, 12:12 am 12:12 am

You may not be able to lead a horse to water, but put up a link on the Drudge Report and you sure can lead the rabid internet crazies into heavily blogging a website…

Posted by: nice discussion everyone | July 19, 2007, 12:13 am 12:13 am

What kindergartener even knows what a stork is? Didn’t they stop using that one in the fifties? This is a ridiculous conversation about a non-issue.

Posted by: Michael | July 19, 2007, 12:14 am 12:14 am

It difficult to believe how Obama doesn’t know common everyday people.
Teaching sex education in kindergarten; god forbid. Swearing to never shop at Walmart;outrageous. Has he lost his marbles. Everybody who makes under 250 grand shops at walmart. Going, going, gone.

Posted by: cliff jones | July 19, 2007, 12:16 am 12:16 am

Tom, how would the “baby in the tummy” talk keep your 5 year old son from hearing about sex from his camp-mates?
I guess the only way to do anything about that pre-emptively would be to give him all the facts in advance of his attending camp, so he can refute the false statements by his camp-mates?
And so the whole position changes. That’s how government screws us.
Tom

Posted by: Tom | July 19, 2007, 12:18 am 12:18 am

Just Another Guy: You do realize that homeschoolers out-score public schoolers on standardized tests, consistently win national spelling and geography bees and are being actively recruited by universities? It’s not only due to academic achievement, but because they are so community-minded and are extremely well rounded when it comes to extra-curriculars. Colleges *love* homeschoolers.
You’d be hard-pressed to find many public schools still teaching Latin, but it’s a common subject for homeschoolers. Since we now have enough of a baseline to determine how homeschoolers fare as adults, studies have shown that they own homes at a younger age and are more likely to be entrepreneurs than their public schooled conterparts. No wonder you’re afraid of them.
More and more highly educated “professionals” are leaving the work force specifically to homeschool their children since the public schools spend a better portion of the day just trying to MAINTAIN ORDER. And if they don’t have a teaching degree.. so what? The government IS NOT RESPONSIBLE for dictating how children are to be taught.

Posted by: Beth | July 19, 2007, 12:18 am 12:18 am

What a country where we teach sex to kids that can’t read and then continue the practice until they graduate. It would seem that somewhere along the way they should learn to read. I don’t know but sex is pretty natural and doesn’t need a lot of teaching. But we graduate a lot of kids that can’t read. But don’t get me wrong I would never blame the public school system. It must be the parents. The state should control these kids from birth then they would be able to read.

Posted by: James | July 19, 2007, 12:21 am 12:21 am

It appears to some that a loving parent is a paranoid, suffocating, micromanaging and dumbing parent. It also appears to some that a loving parent is opposite to education.
Let me tell you what love is in my home.
First, we don’t talk about it. It is an emotion but more.
We love them by giving them affection daily. When they wake up we give them a smile. We tell them we are happy to see them. We ask them how they feel. We work for them to have what they need at the breakfast table.
We set boundaries and teach them discipline. When they show willful disobedience, we take one aside, explain calmly, hug them and wooden rod. Immediately we hug them and caress them and gently speak to them until their tears dry up and their smiles recover.

Posted by: Florin | July 19, 2007, 12:21 am 12:21 am

Actually, the age appropriate Sex Ed should be taught at the day care centers!
Waiting until the kindergarten may already be the lost cause for some kinds.
God knows what kind of misinformation they may have been fed by the irresponsible parents at home!
Now who is going to take responsibility if some of these home sex-ed taught kids turn out to be equally irresponsible citizens?

Posted by: vatodio | July 19, 2007, 12:25 am 12:25 am

Pandering to the communist left! If he makes it past the primary these comments just sunk his campaign.

Posted by: James | July 19, 2007, 12:25 am 12:25 am

I’ll hold my fire until I hear more about what his defination of “age-appropriate sex-education is” …. The reason I’ll hold my fire is in respect to children being educated about inappropriate contact with adults. I’ll hear what he has to say about that.
But otherwise I have a hard time believing anything named “sex-education” (no matter how vaguely its described) has any place being taught to 5 and 6 year olds.

Posted by: Paul | July 19, 2007, 12:31 am 12:31 am

No need to panic…it’s to be expected. The solution, is simple: Tell your children that if the teacher brings up certain thing to talk about they are to get up and leave the classroom. I have done this with my two girls and if the schoolboard throws a fit and says you can’t do that, then bring out the magic word “LAWSUIT!”
Works everytime :)

Posted by: Aj | July 19, 2007, 12:31 am 12:31 am

It really hit home to me how woefully inadequate today’s public schools are when my daughter who just graduated 7th grade had to ask me what Nagasaki and Hiroshima were.
Tom

Posted by: Tom | July 19, 2007, 12:34 am 12:34 am

This guy really came down a few notches in my opinion. Stay out of my kids head with this sex ed in kindergarten and stay away from any mention of sex to my kid in school! That is my business and my territory as a parent. If he asks the teacher where babies come from, tell him to ask his parent.
In kindergarten they don’t need to grasp the realities of sex yet, that is why there are fairy tales about storks. Now THAT, the kids can wrap their 5 year old brains around.

Posted by: carolyn | July 19, 2007, 9:26 am 9:26 am

So because I’m liberal, I’m singlehandedly responsible for hate-crimes legislation? Please. I think it’s asinine legislation to prevent criminal thought (i.e., European no-Nazi laws), but if you attack someone solely on the basis of their race, or their religion–yes, that deserves extra punishment, because it’s deplorable. We’re supposed to be above that.
And I totally don’t hate gays, but I do think it’d be a nice little lesson to you. How do you construe that I’m gay-hating when I say that I hope you learn a little lesson in tolerance and understanding? You have no respect for people who are different from you. Some of my best friends are gay, and they’ve got a lot more spine and integrity than many of my straight friends, some of whom have been booked before.
Judging someone based on their sexuality is backwards logic.

Posted by: Just another guy | July 19, 2007, 9:26 am 9:26 am

I’m just thankful that the large majority of people posting here feel as I do, that sex education has no place in a kintergarden class.
Couple Obama’s wishes to teach five year olds sex education with his plans to have universal health care pay for abortions, and you have a scary vision for the future. We already abort roughly 20% of our unborn, churning out over a million dead babies a year in the name of convenience and votes.

Posted by: Tony Pistone | July 19, 2007, 9:26 am 9:26 am

Age appropriate? Who sets that level? Several posters here have said it’s just responding to the question “where do babies come from”. That’s not what Obama said. He said “sex ed is the right thing to do for kindergartners”. Sex ed is a program developed to teach children about sexuality and the basic reproductive functions of our bodies. That goes much further then answering an occasional question on where do babies come from. My wife has been a kindergartner teacher for more then five years, and never once has this question come up from any of her kids.
The schools today are not even keeping up with the basic teachings of reading, writing, and arithmetic as it is with the limited amount of time they have these kids. Sorry…not getting votes here with promoting these types of programs.

Posted by: you're kidding right? | July 19, 2007, 9:30 am 9:30 am

Gee, I’m conservative and I know it’s hard to believe but I’m not petrified of homosexuals, but you are right I am petrified of indoctrination of any kind.Where does that go? If we let you “indoctrinate” our children, then I guess we get to indoctrinate your children,right? No it’s not right for either of us. Oh, and being lectured on “tolerance” from liberals…that’s rich!Let’s hope you get the same tolerance from others that you’ve shown here (“I hope your kids turn out gay”? Wow,and that would be bad because?). It ain’t the homosexuality, it’s idea of indoctrinating kindergarteners.Get it?

Posted by: Steve | July 19, 2007, 9:32 am 9:32 am

I got a news flash for you parents.
Pregnancy and STDs happen because kids are learning the info from the streets, Hollywood, and their friends INSTEAD of from their parents. And parents stick their heads in the ground, fearing that litle birds-and-bees talk. They don’t think to face that task … until of course, their kid’s about to be a parent. TOO LATE !
SOMEONE has to teach your kids about sex and give them good info if you don’t. Parents are FORCING the government to educate your kids. Think about that.

Posted by: M | July 19, 2007, 9:33 am 9:33 am

Hillary could not have inflicted more damage on Obama if she tried. This is akin to Michael Dukakis riding in the tank with the stupid grin. If the Democrats put him on the ticket, independents will abandon them in droves – keep in mind these comments come on the same day that he also pushed for universal coverage of abortions.

Posted by: jack letzer | July 19, 2007, 9:33 am 9:33 am

Sen Barack Obama,
With all due respect sir, your wrong. Parents know what is best for their children and most would agree that it is certainly not sex education at 5 & 6 years of age. I am the parent of a 5 year old boy who is starting school this August. I don’t even want him to see transformers yet but you think its ok to tell him about sex. By the way who gives you the right to get into my family values? I mean if the republicans stated something like this you would be all over it that it was an invasion of our rights! You hypocrite! Tell your kids about sex because it seems most politicians need help!

Posted by: Robert | July 19, 2007, 9:36 am 9:36 am

US schools are lagging behind every other industrialized nation in science and math scores as it is. How about we teach kindergartners the multiplication tables instead of sex?! Which one is going to make them more capable students as they enter the education system? Can we PLEASE let parents be parents and let teachers be teachers and STOP this insanity?

Posted by: Bob | July 19, 2007, 9:37 am 9:37 am

Many of you are failing to look at the bigger picture. No, we are not in the Stone Age. We are in an age where children, including MANY kindergartners, are being subjected to sexual abuse at an alarming rate. I think an age-appropriate sex education class added to this age groups curriculum is a very needed addition. And let’s not be so quick to trivialize the “age-appropriate” suggestion by Sen. Obama. We all know or have a good idea of what age appropriate means. It’s time to admit to ourselves that our very young children are being sexually exploited and victimized, and they should be aware of the things perverts can and might do to them so that they can be more vocal in reporting these offenses to adults. Conservative or liberal, you can no longer deny that this goes on and that appropriately informing young children would work.

Posted by: Angela | July 19, 2007, 9:41 am 9:41 am

Oh please. I’m being bigoted by saying that I hope you get stuck in a situation where you have to actually tolerate an idea which many obviously deplore? It’s something that petrifies about 80% of the parents that have posted here, because they’re afraid of their children being different.
And to the guy that said liberals enjoy taking jobs over children and aborting as many babies as possible, well, you’re just a fool.

Posted by: Just another guy | July 19, 2007, 9:42 am 9:42 am

Come on folks, Not talking about sex leaves these young people in a quandry.
If we talk about SEX in an age appropriate manner then we may be abel to help stop some of these young people
having to deal with issues like abortion or early motherhood. Sounds responsible to me.
Scott

Posted by: Scott Lay | July 19, 2007, 9:46 am 9:46 am

My wife and I recently sat down with our 12 yr old to discuss the birds and bees. We know that he hears things from his peers and we also realize that he sees many things through the media. We told him that the school will be teaching him the physical aspects of sex ed but it was our responsibility to provide him the moral and ethical framework. Sex ed does begin at an early age but it should be through parents instilling values, ethics and self-confidence in their young children, not the government or public schools. This is where many of today’s parents can’t compete with previous generations.

Posted by: DL | July 19, 2007, 9:47 am 9:47 am

This doesn’t require a bunch of wordy commentary——It’s just plain stupid!

Posted by: Dave | July 19, 2007, 9:47 am 9:47 am

Sex ed will suddenly seem like a good idea when your five-year-old comes home pregnant.

Posted by: david | July 19, 2007, 9:47 am 9:47 am

This is sad. Pray for our country and its leadership.

Posted by: Dan | July 19, 2007, 9:47 am 9:47 am

quote:I got a news flash for you parents.
“Pregnancy and STDs happen because kids are learning the info from the streets, Hollywood, and their friends INSTEAD of from their parents. And parents stick their heads in the ground, fearing that litle birds-and-bees talk. They don’t think to face that task … until of course, their kid’s about to be a parent. TOO LATE !
SOMEONE has to teach your kids about sex and give them good info if you don’t. Parents are FORCING the government to educate your kids. Think about that.”
Newsflash to you:
The VAST and I mean VAST majority of parents don’t have the problems you speak of, stop forcing your views on the majority of us because a minority of parents have problems teaching their children. Focus on educating those parents not the majority of our kids!

Posted by: Dave | July 19, 2007, 9:47 am 9:47 am

That’s just sick

Posted by: In the Night | July 19, 2007, 9:48 am 9:48 am

Sex ed. is good for kindergarten students. After all, I think they should know before 1st grade that they are about to be ‘screwed’ in gov’t schools. What other gov’t institution has done more to rape our history of its foundations, strip classrooms of the Word of the knowledge of God, good and evil, promote murder for convenience, and applaud a lifestyle of doom.

Posted by: to liberals everywhere | July 19, 2007, 9:50 am 9:50 am

Most misleading headline ever. This blog sucks.

Posted by: Zac Echola | July 19, 2007, 9:50 am 9:50 am

Dave, you’ve got your head in the sand if you think that teen pregnancies, STDs, and other, similar problems don’t exist on a large scale.
That’s really all I have to say. Maybe it hasn’t happened in your town, not yet, but it will. Maybe it’ll be a bust for underage drinking at a school dance, or a bunch of kids getting high before class, or a meth ring, but it’s there. And it WILL happen, eventually.

Posted by: Just another guy | July 19, 2007, 9:51 am 9:51 am

We are talking about kindergartners here people! Use your heads for more than a hat rack and consider what you are supporting.
I refuse to allow the federal government and the schools that I fund to teach my 5-6 year olds about sex. There is no appropriate sex education for kindergartners. It is my responsibility as a parent, (as it is yours), to decide the right timing and the right message around sex. It is also the parent’s responsibility to deliver that message to their children when ready.
If you choose to lie this at the feet of the federal government or state schools, you are inarguably wrong and need to re-consider your role as a parent as well as the short-term and long-term consequences.

Posted by: Mike Smith | July 19, 2007, 9:51 am 9:51 am

Not Everything I Needed to Know in Life was Learned in Kindergarten

Unlike Robert Fulghum, not everything I needed to know in life was learned in Kindergarten. Some things like how to drive a car in Houstons rush hour traffic, how to appreciate a glass of single malt scotch, and how to have sex I…

Posted by: UrbanGrounds | July 19, 2007, 9:51 am 9:51 am

This is why kids continue to do worse and worse in school. There is only so much time in the day. Time spent on sex ed is time not spent on math and reading. Hence, kids know more about sex and less about math and reading. How stupid.

Posted by: jumpyg | July 19, 2007, 9:52 am 9:52 am

Sex education is inappropriate at that age. What they should learn about is how to recognize and avoid predatory adults–pedophiles, those who would touch them inappropriately or otherwise physically abuse them. This is not education about sex but about the abuse of power and violence by much older children and adults. This is about child safety in a society that has become debased by the very forces we want to protect them from. This should be about victim prevention not a veiled attempt to prepare them to be successfully solicited.

Posted by: Alan Bollers | July 19, 2007, 9:58 am 9:58 am

quote:
“Dave, you’ve got your head in the sand if you think that teen pregnancies, STDs, and other, similar problems don’t exist on a large scale.”
I understand but the solution is not what Obama is proposing. The solution starts in the home of those children.
Harry Truman was right!
“The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount. The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings we get from Exodus and St. Matthew, from Isaiah and St. Paul. I don’t think we emphasize that enough these days. If we don’t have a proper fundamental moral background we will finally end up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the State.”
–President Harry S. Truman

Posted by: Dave | July 19, 2007, 9:58 am 9:58 am

kindgergarten is way too early. THey won’t be able to have sex for years. Let them enjoy childhood. I’m not opposed to it in 6th or 7th grade, but kindergarten is ridiculous.

Posted by: joe | July 19, 2007, 9:58 am 9:58 am

How on earth can anyone think that this is acceptable? This is probably the dumbest thing I have heard in a long time. At the age of 5, it is not the govenment’s job to teach my tender daughter about sex (even if it is “age appropriate”). Who decides what is age appropriate? I think that at age 5 there is NOTHING appropriate that you can tell a child. There is too much government in our lives as it is. As a parent, I should be the one to educate my daughter on sex. This is the best argument for private schooling.

Posted by: Frank | July 19, 2007, 10:01 am 10:01 am

Our tax supported school system is for the three Rs; Reading, ‘riting, and ‘rithmatic and how to spell them correctly in English along with the rest of a developing lexicon.
I agree with those who believe that sex education, including the appropriate time to have sex and along with good manners, right from wrong, and how to tie one’s shoes, etc., are the sole responsibilities of parents and legal guardians. Coroborration and expansion of the basic sex education taught by parents and guardians comes from peers as our kids engage in discussions about sex just as we parents did.
On the other hand, the government knows a lot about sex because it manages to screw up just about everything it touches! Its the same government that brings us the US Post Office, AMTRAC, political manipulation of war fighting, and the judicial system to name a few. Now I need to worry about a Program of Instruction for Sex Kindergarten Style with directions from the President as the authority?

Posted by: Hank | July 19, 2007, 10:06 am 10:06 am

We are talking about kindergartners here people! Use your heads for more than a hat rack and consider what you are supporting.
I refuse to allow the federal government and the schools that I fund to teach my 5-6 year olds about sex. There is no appropriate sex education for kindergartners. It is my responsibility as a parent, (as it is yours), to decide the right timing and the right message around sex. It is also the parent’s responsibility to deliver that message to their children when ready.
If you choose to lie this at the feet of the federal government or state schools, you are inarguably wrong and need to re-consider your role as a parent as well as the short-term and long-term consequences.

Posted by: Mike Smith | July 19, 2007, 10:12 am 10:12 am

“The ‘establishment’ of this site is a liberal-hating orgy which has no foundation in facts, only hyperbole designed to scare the populace at large.”
Obama stated what he believes and this site reported what he said and also allows us to post. That’s the way freedom and flow of information should work and I applaud this site.

Posted by: Dave | July 19, 2007, 10:13 am 10:13 am

I think sex education for illiterate serfs is a great idea. Let foreign kids learn other stuff; the USA will become the Experts In Whoopee.

Posted by: Andrew Horning | July 19, 2007, 10:16 am 10:16 am

This site was singularly deceptive. Obama advocated information on ‘inappropriate touching’ to kids, which sounds a-OK to me. And then people just read the headlines and went berserk when they thought he’d be teaching a homosexual agenda/young kids the graphic nature of intercourse.
Rabid reactionaries, all of you.

Posted by: Just another guy | July 19, 2007, 10:22 am 10:22 am

quote:
“This site was singularly deceptive. Obama advocated information on ‘inappropriate touching’ to kids, which sounds a-OK to me. And then people just read the headlines and went berserk when they thought he’d be teaching a homosexual agenda/young kids the graphic nature of intercourse.
Rabid reactionaries, all of you.”
How exactly does that work anyway? Does the teacher physically show the 5 year old where they shouldn’t be touched?
I like what someone already pointed out in that schools should spend less time on sex and more on mathematics etc… since that seems to be an even bigger problem than teen pregnancy IE illiteracy is far more widespread than pregnancy and probably go hand in hand. If anything teach them to read and send a book home for the parents to choose to go over the topic or not. Then again that might make sense.
Perhaps you’re a rabid partisan who realizes Obama’s ship just sunk?
“Political correctness is simply tyranny with manners” –Charlton Heston
“To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society.” –Theodore Roosevelt

Posted by: Dave | July 19, 2007, 10:34 am 10:34 am

I’m sorry…I read the article and watched the video. Yes, Obama does advocate information on ‘inappropriate touching’, however he did say that he was in favor of age appropriate sex ed.
The majority of the persons posting here today are in agreement that at age 5 there is nothing appropriate about teaching any form of sex ed, period. I also don’t recall seeing too many posts claiming Obama was teaching homosexual agenda’s or young kids the graphic nature of intercourse.
The concern here is crossing the line of sex education in public schools at the age of 5 or 6 years old. I’m sorry, but as I stated earlier, my wife is a teacher and this just doesn’t come up on it’s own at this age very often if at all. In five years she’s never once had a child ask where do babies come from.
I’d rather be a rabid reactionary then a complacent follower willing to agree with everything that comes out of a politician’s mouth.

Posted by: you're kidding right? | July 19, 2007, 10:34 am 10:34 am

MEMO to Pagan Left/Atheist Left/Feminist Left/Tree Hugger Left and related religious cults: Keep your leftist fundamentalist cult out of the schools. If you want to indoctrinate your own kids in your fanaticism, then have at it, but don’t use schools to advance your fundamentalist cult among other people’s children. Got it?

Posted by: Tom | July 19, 2007, 10:36 am 10:36 am

A day later, and you people STILL haven’t used your privately-educated reading skills to comprehend the article!
Hilarious!

Posted by: E.B. | July 19, 2007, 10:41 am 10:41 am

Media, Bloggers, Romney, Lying About Obama and Sex Ed forKindergarteners

Barack Obama did not say that we should begin teaching kindergarteners about sex. Any politician, blogger, or media outlet telling you so is not telling the truth.
ABC News in an effort to be sensationalist, created a news story implying that Barack O…

Posted by: Think On These Things | July 19, 2007, 11:18 am 11:18 am

Christian Broadcasting Network Slams Romney on Misleading Obama and Sex Ed in KindergartenStory

Mitt Romney has shown himself to be a crooked politician. Watch the video below of him spreading a misleading story about Obama supporting teaching kindergarteners about sex. The Christian Broadcasting Network (Pat Robertsons network of all pe…

Posted by: Think On These Things | July 19, 2007, 11:19 am 11:19 am

THE MYTH OF ABSTINENCE

But, but, what if your parents are idiots or terrible at teaching! Well, what if your school is the same? Parents are the ones responsible for these children, and if a 6 year old doesn’t know that babies come from mommy’s tummy I somehow suspect he’ll …

Posted by: Word Around the Net | July 19, 2007, 11:52 am 11:52 am

Just a guy,
Your argument is not really about “marrying for love”, because ANYONE can do that and call themselves as such in a non-state sanctioned ceremony officiated by who or whatever the heck they want to render such service. Your argument is ONLY about securing ‘automatic’ property rights and the additional hard-to-obtain benefit of tagging in on another’s medical insurance benefits. Where the insurance is another issue, pretty much everything else should be fixable with a decent lawyer and some contracts. So then that argument boils down to tapping someone else’s insurance benefits, right?

Posted by: Allison | July 19, 2007, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm

C. Rakish, you’ve left the foundations of reality by completely ignoring perhaps the most important clause in the original constitution. I can’t really debate this with you, because you’re not reading the necessary and proper clause. It notes ‘vested’ powers, which do not have to be explicitly stated to exist.
Should ‘executive privilege’ not exist, because it is mentioned nowhere in the Constitution as far as I’m aware?

Posted by: Just another guy | July 19, 2007, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm

Just another guy:
I am a paralegal working in a law firm. I printed my posts as well as yours.
I aksed two attorneys their opinions.
They both said that you are dead wrong.
Sorry to disappoint you.

Posted by: C. Rakish Spagaletto | July 19, 2007, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm

So basically, we’re here on the internet, I have no idea if you’re telling the truth, and they’re saying that the Department of Education is illegal?
I really…don’t believe you. Sorry to disappoint you, but last I checked, the DoE is fully legal. Executive privilege is significantly more questionable.

Posted by: Just another guy | July 19, 2007, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm

I think alot of people commenting on this article didn’t read the whole thing. He’s arguing that teachers can have the option to tell kids that babies don’t come from the stork. It wont be an explicit sex education that high schoolers would get. It would be a very basic stripped down “Babies come from…” talk. That seems appropriate to me. If kida are informed about that maybe they wont do stupid experiments as 12 year olds.

Posted by: Katja | July 19, 2007, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm

I attended four different Catholic schools over the years. My kids attended two others. None of us ever saw any corporal punishment in those schools. There was some sex education in those schools, starting in 7th grade.
Sex education in kindergarten? You have to be kidding me! I’d withdraw my kids from a school that did that.

Posted by: Fiona | July 19, 2007, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm

I agree with Obama. Teen pregnancy might be at an all time low, but then you should break it down. What about small town America? Have you gone to any high schools in small towns lately? I’m not talking about small towns with the population of 100. I’m talking about cities with 40,000 people. There seems to be at least one pregnant girl in each class. What is really sad is that pregnant girls are popping up in middle schools. Last year, there was an 11 year old who was pregnant at an intermediate school (5th and 6th grade). That is sick. Get with the program people! Parents are obviously not teaching it at home, and the kids are learning about it elsewhere, probably a bad source too. I’m not saying to teach them everything in Kindergarten, but they need to be taught something. What’s happening now just isn’t working. Face the facts.

Posted by: Donna | July 19, 2007, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm

Obama clearly said AGE-APPROPRIATE. My daughter goes to Catholic school. Every year, they have a 45 minute unit about inappropriate touching, including in kindergarten. I WANT her to have it, although I could opt her out if I wanted. I’d like to see every child in the US get the same opportunity to find out that they have the right to tell someone “Don’t touch me”. You’d have to be a pedophile to objct to that level of sex ed.

Posted by: Terry | July 19, 2007, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm

Those silly conservatives- they don’t want us to have choices. They’d rather deny all children the chance to be educated than simply choosing to keep their children’s ears closed. It’s their way or no way at all!

Posted by: E.B. | July 19, 2007, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm

To fastidious: If it weren’t for “God-fearing ignorant Americans” there wouldn’t be an America. Check your history, read the original documents that founded this country, take a gander at almost every govenrment building in Washington and other places. This nation wasn’t founded on the idea that the government should be the final arbiter on morality and parenting. Our modern educational system is already screwed up enough – the past 40 years of liberal education have effectively twisted several generations’ perception on the priciples this country was founded on, and effectively taken God, morality and responsibility out of our children’s educational lives. By teaching our kids that truth is relative, there are no absolutes, and morality has no place in the “real’ world, we have sown the seeds of our own demise. If we start teaching 5 and 6 year old children even the most basic of sex education, what do you propose to teach them in 1st grade? Second? Third? Where does it end?

Posted by: Shanon | July 19, 2007, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm

Shanon, reality check, most of the founding fathers were Deist or Atheist.

Posted by: Just another guy | July 19, 2007, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm

It may be the right thing to do, but it will be GROSSLY unpopular with the public, as a concept.
The American public is, after all, descended from religious groups who had no ability to cope with human sexuality, whatsoever, and they still can’t!

Posted by: Rick McDaniel | July 19, 2007, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm

We should be talking about dissolving national standards for education instead of stupid little side issues like this. Maybe sex should be talked about at home, maybe it shouldn’t, but one things for sure: if it takes a village to raise a child, then the village should run the school.

Posted by: Andrea Thorn | July 19, 2007, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm

Let’s not be silly about this. There are curricula that are stepping stones in comprehensive sex education programs that are perfectly appropriate for kindergarten level students. By highlighting “sex education for kindergarteners,” that’s obviously an effort to create buzz and controversy.
The Cleveland, Ohio Metropolitan School District adopted a K-12 comprehensive sex education program in 2006. The lessons start with age-appropriate topics and build from there. While we learned that such programs are relatively unique nationally, there is no reason why they should be.
Matt Carroll, Director
Cleveland Department of Public Health

Posted by: Matt Carroll | July 19, 2007, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm

He said age-appropriate. Why can’t you guys read?

Posted by: Emily Y. | July 19, 2007, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm

Terry, Donna and Matt have it right. Age-appropriate is just that. It starts with the basic concept of an egg–as in chickens. As kids get older, you integrate more info, i.e., fertilized eggs, etc., and you eventually get to humans. As for those who think it doesn’t need to start until puberty–kids have already heard from their friends by then–it’s too late. My son got to hear how gay men have sex from a rebel student in the fourth grade. The most common sexual activity among MIDDLE schoolers is what President Clinton engaged in (figured my post would get booted if I used the actual term). I can’t imagine anyone complaining about teaching kids–at any age–about inappropriate touching and self-respect for one’s body; but these boards continue to surprise me.

Posted by: LagunaTriMom | July 19, 2007, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm

Okay guys, we’re not talking about teaching children the intricacies of male-female sexual relations, just that there is a difference between male and female anatomy and that babies come from a mother’s body, not some mythical creature. I can’t believe anybody, even those opposed to Obama for other reasons, can really find fault with this. Are you opposed to general health information for this age group?
The cabbage patch was a great answer back in 66 and shut most of up until -
1. You got a younger sibling and figured it out.
2. Dad (in my case) had “the talk” with you.

Posted by: Mike | July 19, 2007, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm

“Sex Ed” for kindergarteners, to any logical human being (and I think Obama is one of those, whether or not you support him politically), does not mean teaching kids about condom use, homosexuality, or even intercourse. It means age-appropriate content for kids who, despite what we would like to think, are being exposed to information about their bodies and sex at increasingly younger ages thanks to the media and their peers. Why shouldn’t kids start learning about their body parts (and who is and isn’t allowed to touch them) in a safe and monitored educational environment? Broadcast television exposes children to a lot worse, and in this age of mass communication, it’s better to have methodological information disseminated to combat all other exposure to sexuality.

Posted by: Anne L. | July 19, 2007, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm

It’s interesting to read how many of you religious, family-values oriented, compassionate conservatives can be so hateful and vindictive when you disagree with someone. As a follower of Christ’s teachings, I have to ask myself, what would he say to all of you who are shutting down communication with your cruel words and close-mindedness (since he was, after all, quite the liberal in his time — love you enemy? now that’s revolutionary!)…WWJD?

Posted by: Anne L. | July 19, 2007, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm

Age appropriate sex ed for kindergarteners is an oxy moron.
And anyone who suggests that sex ed for 5 and 6 years is necessary is just a plain moron.

Posted by: dave | July 19, 2007, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm

Slick is the word that comes as I watch this man. Take a look a the video: the pauses, the timing, his hand across his heart to show his sincerity, I guess.
To the the uninformed guy: Take a look at who companies are flocking to hire: home schooled products! Why? they can read and write and, wonder of wonders, pout a sentence together. Dismantle the
the Dept of Ed and let parents receive vouchers.
Next time you get a chance,ask Mr Obama to explain one world order to you….ask Mrs. CLinton why she wants communism here inteh states when Europe is waking up to the fact that it doesn’t work….go France. If Mrs CLinton wins, I’mmoving to France:)
My last point to Mr. Obama is teach the children to read and write so they may have hope and a future.
Slick we don’t need in the White House.

Posted by: cch | July 19, 2007, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm

Wow, I guess I was unaware how many idiots read the same news stories as I do. The vast majority of posters on this list are anti-this or anti-that. Anybody open for an actual discussion? Did anyone on this list who expressed an opinion against the suppossed “sex ed” actually read the article and then think about what the intent of the program is stated to be? Or, instead, did you allow the sensationalist headline to send you on an emotional tangent? Keyes’ hyperbole would have been effective persuasion with you, I guess. I, for one, have no problem for my kids to hear the message about it’s-your-body, those-are-private-parts, and tell a parent or other trusted grown-up (newsflash: often a teacher) if someone tries to touch you there. They hear that message at home already. Frankly, I hope their doctor feels they can say the same thing. And yes, their teachers, too. Here’s a thought: maybe your kids don’t need this message, but perhaps there are kids who do…ones who have a family member who is inappropriately-touching-them. Please, think about someone besides yourself!

Posted by: B.L. | July 19, 2007, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm

quote:
It’s interesting to read how many of you religious, family-values oriented, compassionate conservatives can be so hateful and vindictive when you disagree with someone. As a follower of Christ’s teachings, I have to ask myself, what would he say to all of you who are shutting down communication with your cruel words and close-mindedness (since he was, after all, quite the liberal in his time — love you enemy? now that’s revolutionary!)…WWJD?
The meaning of liberal today is leftist that’s why people call themselves “progressives” to keep people confused.
George W. Bush is a liberal by historical standards starting at our Founding Fathers. Both parties have moved left from previous years were as Bush is more like JFK than most democrats today. Kind of like both the left and right in Europe would both be considered left by our current standards.

Posted by: Dave | July 19, 2007, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm

B.L.
The road to Hell is paved with “good intentions.”

Posted by: Dave | July 19, 2007, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it and ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. -Winston Churchill

Posted by: Dave | July 19, 2007, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm

In an age where television viewers can see about 15 rapes per week, where the news reports about rampant crimes against the vulnerable including children, where kids can’t watch television because commercials sell sex, I can understand why people are feeling scared. But speaking as a victim of sexual abuse when I was little (at about 4 years of age), I wish that someone would have told me that my body was my own. My parents didn’t think it was necessary to tell me.
Nobody wants to talk about sexual abuse because they think it can’t happen to their kid. But what about that one kid in class who is getting abused? And I only really understood sex when I was eleven.
If you don’t like Senator Obama, then obviously this is gasoline to the “fire of the Rant against the Liberals”. But consider how now doctors are required to ask their female patients with bruises if they are getting abused at home. Consider how this might impact the children whose parents choose to receive the information or the children whose parents are neglecting them.
Children’s lives are not immune from inappropriate sexual material (as many of you realize) but if done properly, this may allow children to protect themselves and counteract some of the negative messages that are out there.

Posted by: Genevieve | July 19, 2007, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm

Quote of the Day

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., told Planned Parenthood Tuesday that sex education for kindergarteners, as long as it is age-appropriate, is the right thing to do.
Next it will be the pre-schools.

Posted by: On the BorderLine | July 19, 2007, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm

Comment from cch is worth repeating. Sexual Education isn’t just about where you stick your penis. The words AGE APPROPRIATE are all over the article
“Wow, I guess I was unaware how many idiots read the same news stories as I do. The vast majority of posters on this list are anti-this or anti-that. Anybody open for an actual discussion? Did anyone on this list who expressed an opinion against the suppossed “sex ed” actually read the article and then think about what the intent of the program is stated to be? Or, instead, did you allow the sensationalist headline to send you on an emotional tangent? Keyes’ hyperbole would have been effective persuasion with you, I guess. I, for one, have no problem for my kids to hear the message about it’s-your-body, those-are-private-parts, and tell a parent or other trusted grown-up (newsflash: often a teacher) if someone tries to touch you there. They hear that message at home already. Frankly, I hope their doctor feels they can say the same thing. And yes, their teachers, too. Here’s a thought: maybe your kids don’t need this message, but perhaps there are kids who do…ones who have a family member who is inappropriately-touching-them. Please, think about someone besides yourself!”

Posted by: Mason | July 19, 2007, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm

Hey, Obama is just saying to be open and honest and clear to these 5 year-olds. Lying to kids, or misleading them is wrong.
If they ask where babies come from, epxlain the process. If they’re old enough to ask about feltching, then why not explain the hazards and how to properly do so to them?
You don’t want them engaging in feltching at that age without some understanding of the process.
And for those of you who looked up feltching to find out what I was talking about… I can’t possibly apologize enough.

Posted by: anon-y-mous | July 19, 2007, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm

Shame on you ABC – read your own story and you’ll see he never actually said – “Sex Ed for Kindergarteners is the Right Thing to Do.” You’re abusing your power by warping his words. Read the fine print everyone. Leave it up to the parents – some of you have commented – ya, sure – like that is actually working. Unfortunately too many parents in our society are too busy, too preoccupied or just don’t have the patience to properly prepare their kids for sexual activity.

Posted by: Alaina | July 19, 2007, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm

quote:
“But speaking as a victim of sexual abuse when I was little (at about 4 years of age), I wish that someone would have told me that my body was my own. My parents didn’t think it was necessary to tell me.”
While I feel pity for you for what you must have gone through emotionally truth be told Obama’s plan would not have helped you unless it started in pre-school. The sad fact that your parents were negligible still does not give you, Obama, or anyone the right to intrude upon good parents rights.

Posted by: Dave | July 19, 2007, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm

I think you mentioned on your show that Obama was involved with “Our Whole Lives” aka OWL through his UCC church. Seems both UCC and UUA promote it and I found info about it here: http://www.uua.org/religiouseducation/curricula/ourwhole/ It is “a series of sexuality education curricula for five age groups: grades K-1, grades 4-6, grades 7-9, grades 10-12, and adults.” Okay, if it’s so important for them to learn about sexuality in K-1, and grades 4 and up, WHY skip grades 2 & 3? My first thought is it is rare to have anyone under age 10 starting puberty, nor do kids that young ask many questions about sexuality without prodding from the media or educators. Well read some of the information about the curriculum. It appears they want to start with the Kindergartners so they can be indoctrinated in liberal theology such as “there are all kinds of families” – such as two mommies/two daddies/ etc., and perhaps also to alert children to tactics of sexual abusers. The left seeks to normalize behavior that many faiths and families deem abnormal or at least disordered. They do not differentiate between tolerance (I will not say you are right or condone your behavior, but I won’t hate you or show prejudice against you because of it) and moral relativism. So they have to tell 5 year olds it’s okay to be gay, even though they are not old enough to really understand what that is nor do they want to know. I know a lot of teens that are horrified to have learned about such behaviors in school and it only makes them more prejudiced and less tolerant of those who are not like themselves! Don’t push this kind of info on kids before they are ready. Also, as far as the anti-abuse angle, I think that is all part of the victim mentality. Many kids use the term “sexual harrassment” very loosely – and seem to apply it only to actions on the part of people they don’t like. Jimmy is a nerd, so he is harrassing – yet Johnny is hot and his actions are welcomed.

Posted by: Renee | July 19, 2007, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm

Are any of the posters who are “outraged” by this idea actually reading the article, or are they just reading ABC’s horribly misleading headline and posting straight after that?

Posted by: Chris | July 19, 2007, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm

Obama should advocate setting up a voluntary after school program for parents and students instead. I don’t want the village raising my kids, there are perverts and pedophiles in villages all over this country.
How many liberals that support Obama’s view would advocate teaching kids at any grade level how to properly handle guns as to avoid the accidental shooting deaths from kids mishandling guns?

Posted by: Dave | July 19, 2007, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm

Another example of how conservatives spin the truth to shock their base into voting republican.. This seems to happen with every isse and convservative politicians, websites, news channels, and organizations love this tatic because it is so effective. The reason it is so effective is because conservatives rarley examine the other side of issues because they “know” they are right.. I have to be honest, I don’t have respect for any person or group of people, conservative or liberal, who spin the truth to consistently maintain an ideology. I am a progressive democrat and my best friend is an ultra conservative republican. We are both 19, and I have alot of respect for him because he is willing to understand both sides of an issue and because he is convservative because of his own beliefs, instead of being told what to believe by an ideology. If you go online, you will find what alot of other people who commented on here have said, that all it is is telling children were babies come from and that men and women do have sex to have children.. I respect everyones beliefs so if your a conservative and your still appalled, do the conservative thing to do and get the other side, I have the link below
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/07/19/277886.aspx

Posted by: Jack | July 19, 2007, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm

The headline for this story is disgracefully distortionary. ABC ought to be ashamed at misrepresenting the issue so perversely.

Posted by: Nick | July 19, 2007, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm

How many liberals that support Obama’s view would advocate teaching kids at any grade level how to properly handle guns as to avoid the accidental shooting deaths from kids mishandling guns?
It’s basically the same argument I see being made hear by liberals but most liberals advocate guns should be illegal even though that view is unConstitutional. Pedophilia is already illegal so unless you’re going to advocate teaching proper gun safety to children you’re a bunch of busy-body hypocrites.

Posted by: Dave | July 19, 2007, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm

T O T A L L Y crazy. Another reason not to vote for him !

Posted by: Becky | July 19, 2007, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm

In Defense ofObama

I never thought Id be typing such a title.
Matt Margolis (GOP Bloggers) is upset over the news – its not news really, Alan Keyes made an issue of it in 2004 – that Barack Obama supports age appropriate sex education for kind…

Posted by: Nate Nelson | July 19, 2007, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm

quote:
The headline for this story is disgracefully distortionary. ABC ought to be ashamed at misrepresenting the issue so perversely.
Seems to me that’s exactly what Obama said.
“‘Barack Obama supports teaching sex education to kindergarteners,’” said Obama mimicking Keyes’ distinctive style of speech. “Which — I didn’t know what to tell him (laughter).”
“But it’s the right thing to do,”
I think the people complaining about Obama being treated unfairly are the ones who didn’t read past the headline or watch the video.

Posted by: Dave | July 19, 2007, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm

Dangerously stupid blog post with intentionally inflammatory title.

Posted by: Chris | July 19, 2007, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm

I just wish they’d teach kids to read and make change.

Posted by: ex-teacher | July 19, 2007, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm

It’s obvious that Americans are amongst the worst parents on the planet, as our children grow into adults thinking it’s OK to be dishonest, deceitful and in total denial of the natural order. Just because all you 30, 40, 50-somethings never got the opportunity to grow into maturity doesn’t make it right for you to induce your children into a lifetime of ignorance.
One way or another, at the age of 5, most children are adept and aware enough to form complete sentences and ask questions fundamental to their own existences. If they’re only going to be lied to or ignored at home, why not answer their basic queries in the classroom? I’d like to think my tax dollars are going to further the development of human civilization, after all.

Posted by: JK | July 19, 2007, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm

Romans 10:10

Posted by: Robert | July 19, 2007, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm

I think the whole Sex Ed for kindergarten children is being taken completely out of loop, it sounds like to me more of a situation where it’s a mommy holds the baby daddy is like fertilizer you have organs to do it when you get older you shouldn’t let anyone else touch them, and if anyone does tell an adult.

Posted by: Draconova | July 19, 2007, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm

C’mon, read the whole article, not the headline (which is from Keyes’ campaign). “Go ask your parents” is as stupid as “the stork” answer. “From the Mommy’s tummy” is an age appropriate answer. That’s not sex-ed, that’s being honest with children at a level they can manage. Honesty will help with teaching critical thinking, which judging by the number of people who repeat politician’s and pundit’s catchphrases like their quoting Plato, is what we definitely need to be teaching.

Posted by: amazed | July 19, 2007, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm

Just the word sex-ed scares many parents. I don’t believe that schoold should teach sex to children. What I believe that the parents should get education how to raise the children with christian-Judeo values. That is the end of the story.

Posted by: noe martinez | July 19, 2007, 5:53 pm 5:53 pm

He’s talking about something natural, and not teaching them how to have intercourse for corn sake, and to be leery of uncle mcfeely creeping in your room. Geez….. It’s important to know these things so you can guard yourself from harm……. Can’t people just admit they have vaginas and penises without freaking out?

Posted by: mizonglohong | July 19, 2007, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm

I get what he’s going for, but it’s up to the parents, when it’s for such young children. I think it’s ok to tell KGs that sex is between two people (typically a man and woman). That’s pretty much all that needs to be said.
I would feel very uncomfortable having my child look at diagrams and charts of that kind. Getting Sex-Ed in Junior High was just fine for me, and its fine for everyone.
And obviously, if teenagers are having sex, it’s not because they are ignorant. If they were ignorant, they wouldn’t understand sex. The kids just don’t having a strong moral foundation out their homes.

Posted by: Zach | July 19, 2007, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm

I personally think that everyone is over re-acting- think about it this way…
If your child was being sexual abused and did not know it, they have nothing to tell you. However, if they knew it was inappropiate to be touched in this manner, maybe it could be stopeed before something much worse were to happen to them. Mr. Obama is not suggesting anything more then to simply educte them to be vocal incase something horrific were to happen to them. I am more then 100% behind the idea to help stop things like this from happening.

Posted by: Carrie | July 19, 2007, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm

If we were a little more open about the FACT that we have sexuality as part of our human nature, we probably would be a bit more comfortable in our own skin. Shhhh! Don’t talk about that in front of the C-H-I-L-D.

Posted by: mizonglohong | July 19, 2007, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm

C’mon, of course you teach a little sex ed at at that age, but you call it “Puppies and Guppies”

Posted by: Valerie | July 19, 2007, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm

Just another reason to send our children to Christian Private Schools and do away with public education. I mean come on, why is our government deciding what is right to teach our children and not the parents. First it was evolution, and now sex ed to kindergarteners, I don’t know, maybe it was just me that was was an issue that was left up to my parent to explain, not a liberal public school teacher.

Posted by: Kyle | July 19, 2007, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm

Let the parents take care of that, you moron! Where is the parents responsability? They educate the children as they see fit, NOT the state! Get out of the fammily business!

Posted by: Julia | July 19, 2007, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm

Americans are crazy. Why is this even an issue to anyone? All he said was “teach facts”. How sex works is a fact. There is nothing purient, unclean or wrong about it. It is what it is. My youngest daughter asked me about sex when she was in kindergarten. I gave her a brief high level answer and that was it. She was happy and better yet, I didn’t teach her that someone how sex was something it was wrong to talk about. That way lies teen pregnancy.

Posted by: noone | July 19, 2007, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm

I think that Obama was talking about touchy feely kind of sex.Obama is right b/c look at the 100′s of kids who has been molested by priest or family members etc. I think it is importat.

Posted by: Lkisha | July 19, 2007, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm

Just another in a long list of reasons not to vote for this zero.

Posted by: jakdracula | July 19, 2007, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm

hey, tell you guys what: you’re totally right! if you want your kids believe in magic ghosts and storks instead of biological realities like evolution and sexual function, go ahead! don’t tell them! there’s no laws against you having ignorant kids! revel in your freedom to raise fools! god bless america!
but your right to have ignorant children ENDS the moment it means my kids have to be ignorant too.

Posted by: ryan | July 19, 2007, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm

The fact of the matter is this blog and Mitt Romney included took Obama’s words out of context. When Obama spoke of sex-ed for kindergarteners he meant the teaching of appropriate and inappropriate touching. With a world full of child molesters and predators, I think this level of teaching is beneficial in teaching children how to get help when they are touched in an inappropriate matter. This should awaken the eyes of the Catholic Church.

Posted by: Lkisha | July 19, 2007, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm

Hmmm. Planned Parenthood in bed with the idea of teaching sex to kindergartners. Guess that’s so they can take their abortion money when they become pregnant teenagers.

Posted by: Coca | July 19, 2007, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm

babies come from mommies tummies..
we dont kiss each other at school..
private parts are just that private..
good gawd folks.. he’s not recommending teaching 5 yr olds the graphic details, get a grip!?
the rest can be learned with childhood playmates and ‘I’ll show you mine if you show me yours! :-)
A strategically placed “Every Womans Standard Medical Guide” (in my parents bookcase) is what got me through, although I couldnt understand ‘frigidity’ was :-)
As a married man of 12+ years I now know :-) although they could have done a better job of explaining the causes of ‘headache’!
Bush apologists, get thyselves over to Iraq right now and help out!
I shake my head

Posted by: Voice of Reason | July 19, 2007, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm

I think sex education for 5 year olds is appropriate. there are too many kids molested before they turn 18, or are already sexually promiscuous. If sex ed keeps a child from being inappropriate at the age of 5,6,7 or older, isn’t it worth it? things happen on the playground, or staying over at a friends house, or even in the backyard. why not try to prevent these things? If your kids know about it, they can tell you what has happened to them, or what they have done, instead of being in the dark, thinking they discovered something “new”.

Posted by: margie | July 19, 2007, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm

Since this will be the sinking of Obama’s presidential run or his VP chances. I propose history remembers this as “The Audacity of a Dope.”
Hillary can sleep tight tonight.

Posted by: Dave | July 19, 2007, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm

Wow.
The comments here really scare me. I have a four year old, who’s *very* interested in babies and where they come from. We have a children’s encyclopedia and the page with the fetus is her favorite.
Why would anyone lie about where babies come from or even hide it? Obama’s not talking about condoms on bananas here people, he’s talking about illustrations of sperm, eggs, and fetuses.

Posted by: Todd | July 19, 2007, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm

Another reason why I will never vote democrat and why I will send my kids to private schools.

Posted by: Chris | July 19, 2007, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm

quote:
“The comments here really scare me. I have a four year old, who’s *very* interested in babies and where they come from. We have a children’s encyclopedia and the page with the fetus is her favorite.
Why would anyone lie about where babies come from or even hide it? Obama’s not talking about condoms on bananas here people, he’s talking about illustrations of sperm, eggs, and fetuses.”
Teach the kids how to read and send the encyclopedia home with them for their parents to choose to touch the subject or not.
And why do these Obama apologist assume everyone outraged by this is Republican?

Posted by: Dave | July 19, 2007, 7:33 pm 7:33 pm

You know, “sex education” isn’t ONLY about the act of intercourse; it includes things like anatomy, learning how the body functions, what changes to expect with growth, proper hygiene, respect for oneself and one’s right to not have their bodies violated, etc. For a five or six year-old, there’s nothing wrong with learning the basics about these things.That’s what the phrase “age-appropriate” means. How much sexual abuse might be prevented if kids had even a vague idea that what was happening to them is not right? Teach your kids that adults “know best” and have all the answers and absolute power over them, and the first sicko that comes along is going to have a very easy time wielding their power over them. There’s also nothing wrong with saying “for further information, talk to your parents.” Of course, when a kid has uptight, overly moralistic parents who refuse to address the issue because it’s “wrong” or “dirty” or a “sin,” this can lead to problems, especially when that five or six year-old turns into a 13 or 14 year-old with lots of questions, lots of feelings, lots of hormones and no basic biological facts. Information is power, and ignorance is not bliss. Anyone who thinks that it’s better to keep their children in the dark than to give them the tools they need to survive in a world that is not always kind probably shouldn’t have bred in the first place. In fact, if they were raised that way, it’s amazing they figured out how.

Posted by: K | July 19, 2007, 7:37 pm 7:37 pm

“And why do these Obama apologist assume everyone outraged by this is Republican?”
Or for that matter, American.

Posted by: Coca | July 19, 2007, 7:37 pm 7:37 pm

Just maybe there would be less abortions if people were taught how to protect and care about and for themselves instead of parents who don’t talk to their children about anything real, least of all their sexuality. It’s a shame that so many of you posting here view this as some kind of moral attack against you, and don’t even see that it’s about preparing your children for the real world. I was a teenager, and I know the reality of the choices I faced every day. Easy solution, those who don’t want it taught to your children, don’t sign the permission slip. Those that want it taught, sign it. Those of you so appalled by what Barack had to say weren’t going to vote for him anyway. You’re just using this as a platform to spread lies about an article you didn’t even read. I have news for you, children should beware of preditors. Go to the FDLE or whatever it’s called in your state and just look at how many pedophiles there are out there. You best arm your children with knowlege so they know to be careful of what’s going on around them, and many times it’s a family member.

Posted by: mizonglohong | July 19, 2007, 7:44 pm 7:44 pm

Sex Ed in Kindergarten? Maybe not such a badidea.

Barack Obama has recently gone on record as supporting sex education for kindergarteners. My first reaction was alarm, as Im sure many other peoples was. However if you continue to read what he says youll begin to understand that perhap…

Posted by: Multiple Infinities | July 19, 2007, 7:44 pm 7:44 pm

Frank, nobody is trying to make your children gay. Give is a rest already.

Posted by: mizonglohong | July 19, 2007, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm

Quote:
many times it’s a family member.
Yes, yes it is. And, many times, it’s a family member (or caretaker) who has intentionally kept the child ignorant of the facts in order to freely exercise their perverted pedophiliac fantasies. I’m sure everyone’s aware of the story of Ted Klaudt (if not, see here: http://www.siouxcityjournal.com/articles/2007/05/19/news/south_dakota/c28b4fde3796c223862572e00010b1b1.txt)
How many teenagers who actually knew how their bodies functioned do you think would have submitted to his “ovary exams,” hmmm?

Posted by: K | July 19, 2007, 7:57 pm 7:57 pm

I will not give it a rest already. I see whats going on in the schools. In my nephew’s class in 7th grade they used a whole health ed period to talk about sexual positions. They have gay pride week, a day of silence in support of gays and cross dress day. Don’t tell me I don’t know what the real agenda is. Don’t get me wrong I’ve got friends that are gay and I love them as my friends but even they tell me what is really happening now in sex ed classess. The earlier you desentisize kids to any kind of sexual propaganda the easier it is to make them accept anything as OK. Look at the sex ed being taught in schools. Look at the questionares they are giving our kids to answer. Do the research, I have. Back in the late 70′s early 80′s they said that “they will sodimize your sons in the military in the school locker room”, etc. until all things are acceptable.

Posted by: frank | July 19, 2007, 8:07 pm 8:07 pm

For all of you who advocate anti-government involvement and pro-private school education- question:
How do you feel about private schools punishing students for things they do outside of school? Isn’t that intrusive? Shouldn’t you be the ones determining how to raise you children- how to punish (or not punish) them for something that they’ve done that had nothing to do with school?
How productive is it to suspend a kid from school, not allow him to turn in his homework assignments for TP’ing a fellow student’s house? (true story)
Would you ground your child for that?
(wait- I forgot who I was addressing- of course you would)
“Public Schools/Government- Stay the Hell Away from My Kids!”
“Private School- Raise my child for me so I don’t have to!!!”
…not that there is anything wrong with private school- I just can’t reconcile the arguments…
Anybody help me?

Posted by: E.B. | July 19, 2007, 8:08 pm 8:08 pm

You’re so right K. It’s easy to say “no one’s teaching sex ed to my children but me,” but there are so many children out there that don’t have parents, or one’s that aren’t interested in them or their well being. There are so many children with parents who are addicts, or so caught up in their own lives they just can’t be bothered. Who do they have to teach them? For every nice family life 1 child has, another has it really bad. You can’t just think about yourself and what you want. There is a whole country out here people, and we can’t just ignore that fact!

Posted by: mizonglohong | July 19, 2007, 8:11 pm 8:11 pm

“there are so many children out there that don’t have parents, or one’s that aren’t interested in them or their well being.” I agree but maybe others such as friends and other family members should get involved not the government and this from someone who is a government employee.

Posted by: frank | July 19, 2007, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm

what ever happened to the three R’s?
Reading,writing, and arithmetic?This is what I want teachers to teach.I mean, I appreciate the school systems concern that my child might grow up with some of my values.I appreciate large amounts of cultural awareness and diversity being pushed, so the other kids in school can understand my white kids,really.They need to be seen as people too.
I know that they may grow up not learning to see sexual partners in every face they encounter.And I agree that not being open to progressive radical alternatives may hurt the continued evolution of our thoughts to “The Correct”.But I also believe I am right.raeding, writing, arithmetic.Thats all thank you.Ill deal with college life when or IF they get there.

Posted by: norm | July 19, 2007, 8:19 pm 8:19 pm

Typical…Any thing to undertmine and pollute the minds of children to clone them into the future little Libs who will slavesly support the radical Dems…The more perverted, dumbed down and addicted to all manor of vices; the more maliable and easily controlled they become. As the Progressive’s Communist Counterparts have always advocated…get them while they are still young & impressionable.

Posted by: Jud | July 19, 2007, 8:22 pm 8:22 pm

That is a very nice thought, and I wish that would happen, but that usually isn’t the country we live in. We are here with a major crisis of apathy among us. I wish they would also teach self esteem classes and a sense of fair play to children. Sometimes you win, and sometimes you loose.

Posted by: mizonglohong | July 19, 2007, 8:34 pm 8:34 pm

It is so incredibly refreshing to hear so many voices condemning Obama for his position on this issue. All is not lost after all….yet. I guess liberals and progressives just can’t help themselves. They fly under the radar, cloaking themselves under the guise of normalcy, then their radical ideology eventually seeps to the surface.

Posted by: Will Turner | July 19, 2007, 8:37 pm 8:37 pm

Come on little Nancy see how easy it is to put the ballon on the banana…….how about we put God back into kindergarten!!!!

Posted by: Larry Graham | July 19, 2007, 8:58 pm 8:58 pm

See, this is exactly why we need to develop an easy and accurate test to detect liberals. So we can round them up and kill them all. Who’s with me? If God had wanted liberals to live, he would have made them conservatives!

Posted by: George | July 19, 2007, 9:33 pm 9:33 pm

“how about we put God back into kindergarten!!!!”
Because everyone doesn’t believe in gawd?
Because gawd is something that OUGHT to be taught at home or church?
Because I don’t want my kids growing up being taught fairy tales as reality?
Because public funding of religious practices is unconstitutional?
You want your kid to learn about gawd, you can pay to send him/her to private school. School is where kids go to learn, not to be fed myths and lies.

Posted by: Jen | July 19, 2007, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm

‘Nobody’s suggesting that kindergartners are going to be getting information about sex in the way that we think about it,’ Obama said. ‘If they ask a teacher ‘where do babies come from,’ that providing information that the fact is that it’s not a stork is probably not an unhealthy thing. ” Anyone actually READ the article.

Posted by: Joshua | July 19, 2007, 9:59 pm 9:59 pm

So far, our educationsl system has proven that it does, indeed, take a village to raise an idiot. With the US not even being in the top 10 academically worldwide, we should all be this outraged at the substandard education our children get on a daily basis. If our schools only had to concentrate on actually TEACHING kids instead of spending a huge part of our tax dollars on the latest and greatest feel good, everyone’s a winner, why try to achieve when you don’t really have to crap, we wouldn’t be having the social problems we’re having.
Yes, there are a lot of really bad parents out there. The large majority are products of our fine public school system. If our school system were a business, it would have gone under a long time ago due to the shoddy products being put out. And it’s not usually the teachers’ fault. Having taught Elementary school for several years, I know how hard it is to do a great job when every stinking year you go to more in-services where you’re told which new flavor of teaching we’d be using that year. The hell with consistancy, or using something that’s tried and true. As a nation, we’ve bought into that whole “next best thing” mentality. That also has a lot to do with our divorce rate. Commitment is passe; there’s always something bigger and better out there.
All of this is the long way around of saying if the educational system had been doing it’s job for the past 40 years, we wouldn’t have turned out a lot of the lousy parents that are out there now, and this discussion wouldn’t even be needed. It’s a parent’s job to discuss with their own child good touch/bad touch, your body is your own, etc…It’s just another example of our lazy society trying to put off yet another parental responsibility onto the school. We’ve allowed the government too much access into our educational system as it is. It gripes the hell out of me to know that the tax dollars I work so hard to pay each year will go to crap like elementary sex ed, and we have kids graduating who can’t read, write a complete thought, or give correct change without a cash register to do the work for them.
OK…that’s my rant for the day.

Posted by: former Democrat | July 19, 2007, 10:05 pm 10:05 pm

What could a kindergartener need to know about sex, you ask? Um, enough to keep pedophiles away from him or her. And enough to know that the stork doesn’t bring babies. Which is what Obama is saying. It’s funny to watch all those conservatgive knees jerking like that.

Posted by: Evelyn | July 19, 2007, 10:06 pm 10:06 pm

Sen. Barack Obama and the other laefties has gone mad.
we need to stand up as nation and stop this kind of nonsense.
STOP YOU ARE NOT THE GOD
STOP ACTING LIKE ONE.
I HAVE TWO BOYS I WILL NOT SEND MY KIDS IN U.S.A. B/C IN OTHER COUNTRIES THEY DO NOT TEACH KIDS ABOUT SEX AT THAT AGE SO IT’S BETTER TO TAKE MY KIDS FOR SCHOOLING IN OTHER COUNTRY OR DO HOME SCHOOLING.

Posted by: mannie | July 19, 2007, 10:07 pm 10:07 pm

“Because public funding of religious practices is unconstitutional?”
And teaching sex to 5 year-olds is constitutional? On what planet?

Posted by: Coca | July 19, 2007, 10:13 pm 10:13 pm

I find this a bit troubling…
Deciding to tell 5 year olds about male and female anatomy, and informing in the hopes of helping protect children from pedophilia, is controversial…
but the words “age appropriate” take a double barrel shotgun to the issue. It’s one thing that the more optimistic meaning to this (as stated above) is controversial, however the vague terminology, and the “opting out” rather than “opting in” matter to the idea makes me unconditionally opposed.
To be brief in my reasoning: The O’Reilly Factor, although in my opinion a poor resource for political analysis, the show itself tackles culture issues from the conservative perspective. Much of the news from the stated source concerns incidents in schools in which speakers or teachers impose liberally supercharged political messages, or absolutely libertine sex messages to students (better named in technical terms as “the captive audience”). Schools have at times offered an opt out, but instead of giving parents time to read and consider, they send said forms the day before the field trip/activity/lecture, in order to maximize their influence.
I have no reason to see why this idea could not, nor would not be abused and twisted into a method of undisguised indoctrination, if you were to consider the sum up of the assumed education points stated in the beginning to be non-indoctrinating.
To anyone who may suggest that our current culture’s decline as something that should not be opposed, has failed to grasp the common element of good parenting. Parents, are obligated to shield, and deprogram their children from the blatantly harmful influences of modern culture. I consider it shameful to suggest what’s modern to be better than the system of family and values that has proven itself to create better human beings time and time again. Frankly, anyone who may claim this to be helpful to children with negligent parents is a living testament to the failures of tampering with the traditional, functional, and effective family system.
It cannot be ignored that the societal problems we face now, were much smaller before the 1960′s. Seeing this progressive method has failed us before, who should think it will not fail us again if this were to be given serious light?

Posted by: Ken Kage | July 19, 2007, 10:14 pm 10:14 pm

Obama is not talking about sex for sex ed in grade 5…..for now…

Posted by: me | July 19, 2007, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm

> Teach the kids how to read and send the encyclopedia home with them for their parents to choose to touch the subject or not.
Well, that’s an opinion. I disagree, but I don’t really have a big problem with it. To me, it’s as if the teacher were asked “is the Earth flat” and sent the kid home to mom & dad to answer. But if that makes you happy, so be it.
But why all the outrage? If your religion claimed babies come from the easter bunny, at least I’d understand where this comes from (i.e., the exact same place as the Islamic cartoon-outrage). But though it really must given the reaction, I don’t really see how this impacts religion at all.

Posted by: Todd | July 19, 2007, 10:51 pm 10:51 pm

Ask yourselves if 5 year old kids need some basic sexual information to be able to deal with sexual predators…
I would guess YES.

Posted by: Jen | July 19, 2007, 11:23 pm 11:23 pm

Just another example of liberal idiocy by the Obamanation. Teaching kindergartners about sex ed is just about as relevant as trying to teach a monkey how to split the atom. Unbelieveable. And this guy wants to be my president? Sorry Barack Hussein Obama, I don’t think so.

Posted by: Mike | July 19, 2007, 11:38 pm 11:38 pm

Oh, this is hilarious. It’s a huge debate about something that wasn’t even said. Watch the video, maybe? Jesus.

Posted by: Alexa Gilliland | July 19, 2007, 11:55 pm 11:55 pm

Is Barack Obama’s middle name really Hussein??? OMG! Even if I had considered voting for him before, that certainly rules it out!

Posted by: Archie | July 20, 2007, 2:00 am 2:00 am

How about this Sen. Obama….you do your job and I’ll do mine. You stick to your continual effot to dismantle our democratic way of life, and I’ll decide how and when to discuss the topic of sex with my child. I have had enough of social engineering by the left. How about all of you??

Posted by: Ed | July 20, 2007, 2:21 am 2:21 am

[quote]“Well, that’s an opinion. I disagree, but I don’t really have a big problem with it. To me, it’s as if the teacher were asked “is the Earth flat” and sent the kid home to mom & dad to answer. But if that makes you happy, so be it.”
Wrong, it’s nothing of the sort. A better analogy would be “do you support teaching a five year old gun safety because some irresponsible kids accidentally kill other kids because they don’t know how to properly handle a gun. Most liberals advocate gun control instead. Well, pedophilia is already illegal and the Constitution gives parents a right to own guns, it also gives us the right to raise our own children without government interference when no laws are being broken. I’m sick of having things shoved into my kids faces because a minority of people have problems raising their children. Obama needs to preach responsibility to those parents not my children whom I raise responsibly. Of course he might loose their votes if he gets in their face about their lack of parenting as I tend to think people who shirk their responsibility to the government tend to vote democrat.
quote:
“But why all the outrage? If your religion claimed babies come from the easter bunny, at least I’d understand where this comes from (i.e., the exact same place as the Islamic cartoon-outrage). But though it really must given the reaction, I don’t really see how this impacts religion at all.”
The outrage is over Obama and leftist like him thinking they know best with their one size fits all BS they apply to everything. I also don’t want people who advocate the right to kill their babies telling me how to raise mine.
You go right ahead and deprive your kid of the Easter bunny or Santa Claus but don’t tell me I have to deprive my kid of their childhood because you do. Got it?

Posted by: Dave | July 20, 2007, 3:38 am 3:38 am

quote:
“What could a kindergartener need to know about sex, you ask? Um, enough to keep pedophiles away from him or her. And enough to know that the stork doesn’t bring babies. Which is what Obama is saying. It’s funny to watch all those conservatgive knees jerking like that.”
Please! How naive are you?
Like a kindergartner is going to be able to prevent an adult pedophile from touching them if the pedophile already has them alone which he obviously would have to. In fact the possibility of the child being killed by the pedophile if the kid started screaming “you’re not supposed to touch me there” etc.. would probably be raised not lowered. A little common sense please!
Obama should support stiffer sentences for pedophiles, I think they should be locked up for life once they ruin a child’s life. Seems to me it’s liberals not conservatives that oppose that idea.

Posted by: Dave | July 20, 2007, 3:52 am 3:52 am

quote:
“but your right to have ignorant children ENDS the moment it means my kids have to be ignorant too.”
It does? You can’t teach your child yourself? What an idiotic thing to say!

Posted by: Dave | July 20, 2007, 4:01 am 4:01 am

About the whole “governments parenting children” thing:
If you are so convinced that you will do a better job parenting your children then your government will, then why don’t you shut up and do just that?
Just go ahead and parent them. If you are such a good parent, then what the school tells junior won’t have the negative effect you fear because YOU will make sure of it as a responsible parent.
Surely the schools wouldn’t tell the kids something they can’t find out on tv, movies, or the internet.
If you are a responsible parent as you claim, then what could the school possibly tell your children that would cause your children to throw out all the lessons you teach them at home. Or is the problem that your kids aren’t getting any lessons at home when it comes to sex? Because deep down inside you know how unwilling you are to be proactive and responsible about educating your child at home about sex.
If you honestly don’t believe that children should be taught anything about sex until a certain age, fine. But you must recognize that no matter how much you want things to be a certain way, kids will find out about it on their own. Kids do hear things about sex at a very early age. Kids do start talking about sex at an early age. A hell of a lot earlier than most parents are comfortable talking to their kids about it. So when so many parents are ignoring their responsibility, why shouldn’t someone step in? If you don’t like what they are being exposed to, then do what you do every other time the world exposes something distasteful to your child: teach them to know better.
No one is talking about giving 5 year olds condoms and fornication manuals. No one is even suggesting we ever say the word ‘sex’ in front of our 5 year olds. We’re just saying that sex is an issue to all people, regardless of age, and that certain things need to be taught to kids at certain ages.
Surely you would like your child to know what an “inappropriate touch” is, and how to better protect themselves from predators. But how can you do that without mentioning sex in at least some capacity? And to anybody that would counter that with, “Well I’m the parent, I will protect my child from predators” I say this: With sexual abuse being an issue that is so uncomfortable for everyone to think about and talk about, there are many instances in which a child is being abused and repeatedly tries to tell his parents. But the parents, for one confounded reason or the another, won’t allow themselves to take it seriously. They either get mad at the child for accusing a family member or trusted neighbor, or they don’t take the child seriously at all, in a delusional attempt to not have to deal with the problem.
This is such a serious issue that NO ONE wants to do it themselves. And I could be wrong, but isn’t that exactly what the government is supposed to do, tackle the problems we can’t or won’t deal with ourselves?

Posted by: David | July 20, 2007, 4:34 am 4:34 am

> do you support teaching a five year old gun safety
Huh? “Babys grow from tiny eggs in a woman’s tummy” is closer to teaching kids how to shoot a gun than teaching them the shape of the Earth? Embryology and the shape of the Earth are naturalistic observations about everyday objects that are indeed in the child’s experience.
> don’t tell me I have to deprive my kid of their childhood because you do. Got it?
Sure. You want to “bear false witness” to your child about where babies come from and the rest of us have to tip-toe around your lies when designing school curriculum, for fear of your outrage. How dare you!

Posted by: Todd | July 20, 2007, 6:24 am 6:24 am

while we are at it, lets introduce them to some work ethics, religious intolerance, global warming needs to be indoctrinated, and in their spare time have them memorize the constitution….little kids in kindergarten couldnt care less about any of these things, just let them be little kids, shame on these empty suit politicos who exploit anything and everything to get elected.

Posted by: lenny ehrhart | July 20, 2007, 7:40 am 7:40 am

“And I could be wrong, but isn’t that exactly what the government is supposed to do, tackle the problems we can’t or won’t deal with ourselves?”
Oh, you most certainly are wrong.
“A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have.” ~ Gerald Ford

Posted by: Coca | July 20, 2007, 8:44 am 8:44 am

This is a very misleading headline. After reading the full story, I am left asking, ‘why is this news’?
Pathetic….

Posted by: J | July 20, 2007, 9:16 am 9:16 am

Hmmm…sounds like Huxley’s BRAVE NEW WORLD, where sex play was part of kindergarten & preschool. In his view, totalitarianism would willingly be taken on for the sake of pleasure, which started with teaching kids to “feel,” and not to think, from the earliest ages.

Posted by: TG | July 20, 2007, 9:29 am 9:29 am

Reason # 1 to Home School.
Which we do.
Do you folks think our govt/school system knows best what & when & how to teach our precious children on MORAL issues?
hmmmm
wake up America.

Posted by: Rich | July 20, 2007, 10:49 am 10:49 am

I don’t think this is well thought out. To believe that these young young children will even have the attention span and understanding to learn about sex at this age is not really practical.
I do, however think that we need to educated our kids about sex in order that they don’t become curious and experimental later on, but I’m not sure about teaching 4,5 and 6 year olds about sex when they are supposed to be learning colors, animals and ABC’s

Posted by: Rosslyn | July 20, 2007, 11:08 am 11:08 am

Stupid. Sick and wrong. Liberals spend all of their time and our money indoctrinating our children on sex and drugs and politically-correct secular education and yet they do not teach basic history, reading, writing and math skills.
Yes, Mr. Obama, please keep worrying about sex ed in kindergarten…Al Qaeda is a much smaller concern for the US than making sure that our 5/6 yr. olds are properly primped and primed for sex.
ps abstinence does work. If it is not taught, it doesn’t work.

Posted by: Apollo | July 20, 2007, 11:08 am 11:08 am

This topic is touchy to say the very least, but when we have young girls begininning their menses at younger ages, as young in some instances as 8 and 9, than we did then when do we start telling our babies something? This is something that should start at home. Having and opt out plan for parents is a good alternative for those who would rather teach their children when they feel the maturity level has reached to handle it. The thing is that our children are becoming more curious at earlier ages and have different stages of developement mentally and physically. I support this endeavor especially for those who don’t know what to say to the child and need a little help instead of leaving it up to the child to figure it out all by themselves. My parents didn’t decide to “teach me” until I was 12. By then it was too late. I had already been introduced when I was 6, and this was in the 70′s. We need to grow up on some issues. I don’t believe we should go all out but I do believe that something needs to be done to protect our children from the lack of knowledge so they can better prepare themselves for their future. Our daughters are becoming mothers at 10 and 11 yrs old. Where do we start? I say “our” because we have failed to realize in this society that it really does take “a whole village to raise a child”. Let’s get it together before it’s too late.

Posted by: Reese | July 20, 2007, 11:10 am 11:10 am

Because Barrack wants the government butting into my business and interfering with my parental rights. DUH!

Posted by: Dave | July 20, 2007, 11:45 am 11:45 am

You can’t even teach kids to read, write, and do math and you want more time from that curriculum thrown away to teach them about sex.
And kids die from gun accidents and since gun rights are embedded in the Constitution they’re not going away. If you want them to learn about sex at age 5 then I want gun safety taught at age ten. And my kids already know people shouldn’t touch them, we taught our kids when they potty trained!

Posted by: Dave | July 20, 2007, 11:53 am 11:53 am

This reminds me of the flap created during the Clinton Administration when Surgeon General Jocelyn Elders brought up discussing masturbation with young people!
I agree with Obama, as long as the sex education IS “age-appropriate”.

Posted by: Vasu Murti | July 20, 2007, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm

It seems like everybody is missing the point. The state has no business being involved in teaching peoples children anything like this. Belief is private and personal, these statistics do not believe what I do and I do not believe what they do. I believe in Jesus and creation, whether God used a big bang or a little pop make no difference to me. If you want to be the states slave that is your prerogative, but leave me alone.

Posted by: mcele311 | July 20, 2007, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm

Isn’t it best just not to have any physical relationship with members of the opposite sex until marriage. People have been doing this for 1000s of years and results speak for themselves.

Posted by: Joe Smith | July 20, 2007, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm

As a child I was sexually molested at age 6 by an 18 year old friend of my brother. I had no tools to deal with it until I reached my twenties. Until then I felt shame and felt it was “my fault”.
Of COURSE we should be talking to kids about sex. Those of you who are NOT teaching your kids about “good touch” and “bad touch” are opening them up to serious danger.
I have 7 and 9 year old children. We’ve talked about which parts of their bodies are private since about age 3 or 4.
When they talk about “age appropriate sex ed” they are talking about this and general discussions of physical differences in the bodies of girls and boys. Something most children notice at about age 3-4 whether you talk about it or not.

Posted by: JoyousMN | July 20, 2007, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm

If your kids can’t read, write and count by the time they enter kindergarten, they are WAY behind. I hardly think a 30 minute lesson about inappropriate touching is going to detract from their precious finger painting time.

Posted by: E.B. | July 20, 2007, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm

The US is way out of line. For decades, in Europe and elsewhere PSHE (Personal, Social and Health Ed) has included sex-ed for children 6-10. It’s simple, tasteful and science-based. After all, kids can easily learn where puppies and kittens come from – what’s so dirty about humans? Make no mistake, this debate is about the US DENYING INFORMATION to children which is normal and natural for them to have.

Posted by: GlobalWarning | July 20, 2007, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm

I’m European too and it’s hard to believe the US is still depriving children of basic information! To us it sounds like a century ago. Something out of the Ark. Ah yes, the Ark – I guess I get it now…
Well, good luck with your myth-based approaches – let me know when the teenage pregnancy rate drops…

Posted by: European A. | July 20, 2007, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm

Because the only thing that matters in the world is abortion, right ?
Nothing else. Not kids safety, not the environment, not anything.
All abortion, all the time. Right, ?

Posted by: JoyousMN | July 20, 2007, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm

That’s all you need to know about Barak Obama.

Posted by: Chas | July 20, 2007, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm

Let me tell you all a very interesting story. When my girlfriend was in the second grade, she asked her mother where babies come from. Her mother proceeded to draw a picture of a uterus and fallopian tubes, and never lied to her. You know what happened, she had more respect for her body and herself than any other person her age. She also had more knowledge of the human body also.
There is nothing wrong with answering questions with real answers. All lies do is just confuses kids more about their bodies.

Posted by: Todd | July 20, 2007, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm

I actually think that Obama just shot himself in the foot with this truly unacceptable suggestion about sex education in kindergarten. I think he’s going to lose a lot of votes from parents who are fed up with liberal public school education. But then I wouldn’t vote for Mitt Romney either, as governor of Massachusetts he never bothered to repeal a law that mandated sex education in kindergarten there…in fact they even gave children talks on “sex orientation” and trash like that. Now Romney is hollering about Obama’s suggestion. He must think American voters are stupid.

Posted by: Ramona | July 20, 2007, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm

In an ideal world, children of a young age would have no curiousity about sex, and at the age deemed appropriate by the parent, a child would have a sit-down with its parents to learn the values of its body.
Unfortunately, that’s not the world we live in. In a world where child pornography and pedophiles are more and more abundant, the governmet is trying to do what it can to give children an education so that they have a better chance of being safe.
There are less and less children in the public school system who come from stable, moral, law abiding families. We have to consider the ones who have negligent parents, or are victims to abuse they don’t underdstand. Of course, parents should choose whether a child should be taught.
However, I think the same people who are complaining about this idea would complain just as loudly if the government offered no solution to the ever rising numbers of sexually active children.
There is no shame in Obama is trying to do. He is only trying giving the impression that he wants to exercise the power of the presidency to educate the children on something that can affect that WILL affect them at some point, and may damage them physically or mentally.

Posted by: Jardin Joyner | July 20, 2007, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm

My son is just about to go into 1st grade. One time when I went to visit him I was standing in the hallway, and one of the boys from another (kindergarden) class walked by my sons classroom door and said how sexy the kindergardener was. And you’re saying they don’t need some sort of education and they’re all so innocent at the age. I agree with Obama 100% to have age appropriate sexed in kindergarden.

Posted by: Nathan | July 20, 2007, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm

Maybe we should just let the flood gates open. Everything goes no matter what age. This country is going to hell fast. I’m at the point now that I used to care but now I don’t. This country will be over soon and I just hope I am dead by then. Sad cuz I being in the military I love this country and want to protect it…at least I used to.

Posted by: me | July 20, 2007, 11:36 pm 11:36 pm

As a PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHER who works with elementary children in a Diverse, Urban school district, I would like to clarify a few things for those against the idea of teaching Reproductive Health(the CORRECT terminology), in K-12 Public Education.
In regards to the statement “It should be left up to parents-not public education, to teach children…”
I agree, BUT unfortunately, there are millions of children in the U.S. who were NOT FORTUNETE enough to have been born to such a parent(s). So, who IS supposed to teach these kids? Or isn’t THAT a concern for you- because is not YOUR KID. I suppose maybe you think society should just leave it up to MTV & movies teach OUR nations CHILDREN about Reproductive Health.
In regards to the term “age-appropriate”
I doesn’t surprise me one bit, that the thought of “Sex-Ed in Kindergarten” scares all of you narrow minded people out there, who tend to take things out of context and comprehend them with such literal thinking. In this matter, Kindergarten “age-appropriate” content consists of discussing with children what appropriate & non-appropriate touching is, not only by peers their own age, but also by adults. It is expressed to children as a SAFETY measure- just like we teach children to look both ways before crossing the street… it is for their own safety.
For those people who feel that “such discussions” aren’t necessary at a young age, or feel that the affluent neighborhoods and schools they encompass is protection in itself & “such discussions”, just wouldn’t pertain to “their” kids… For the sake of your children, I hope you’re right. Unfortunately though, REALITY continues to paint a much more disheartening picture then those above. As an elementary teacher, each passing year adds to the ever increasing number of children I encounter, whom have fallen victim to a sexual predator. When listening to their stories you hear some common themes amongst them all, regardless of race, gender, or socio-economical status. First, many children knew and trusted the person who abused them-(babysitter, family friend, relative, neighbor). Second, when asked why they didn’t tell anyone right away, many of them stated that they were told by their predators that “it” was a secret & not to share this “secret about their friendship”, with anyone else.
Each child fell victim to their predator’s trickery- tricking them into believing that they were their “friend” and as a “friend”, they would never do anything to hurt them. Each child also didn’t have the power, to know or believe any different.
KNOWLEDGE IS POWER, & when the opportunity to gain such knowledge is taken away from children, you only place MORE power in the hands of child predators- they gain the knowledge that many of today’s children, in fact probably wouldn’t know the difference between appropriate and un-appropriate touching, because they were never given the opportunity to learn & know about it.

Posted by: Kari | July 21, 2007, 12:47 am 12:47 am

Thanks Kari, I completely agree.
The thing is, the truth should be taught, the truth would never lead children astray, it’s the lies and deception that is confusing our children from doing the right thing, from following their gut instinct and what doesn’t feel right and to leave and be able to think for themselves in that matter when they feel uncomfortable in any situation. You don’t have to “listen to the grownups” when they are the ones trying to molest you, you have the knowledge to know it is wrong and not be blindly led to follow the rules and do what they tell you. To not teach your children to be able to think for themselves puts them at high risk for predators out there who will try to take advantage of their innocence. This is truth. Children are discovering their sexuality at ages as young as 5, of course they are, why not? Haven’t any of you uys ever studied Freud? This is an age of complete innocence and sex is not anything dirty, it is as natural as wondering anything about your body and the world. If the children are not taught that it is dirty and wrong then maybe they would have healthier relationships when they get older. They would understand sex should be paired with love, they would understand consent, about respect, about being safe and healthy. You people are really confused as to how much kids really know nowadays and are underestimating how smart they can be, you are only trying to confuse them and delude them, they can understand if you just let them. They know what is right and wrong and they will not have to feel ashamed or guilty for wondering about natural bodily functions, most of all, they will know to be in control of their own body, that their body belongs to them and nobody can make them feel uncomfortable and ashamed of their body. By keeping them in the dark you are only allowing others to manipulate and deceive them.
Barack Obama sounds like an intelligent man and one who understands human nature and wants the best for our children and country, not leaving them in the dark.

Posted by: nicki | July 21, 2007, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm

Good gawd, please let the little kids have their innocent childhood. As far as inappropriate touching, that’s the parents’ responsibility to teach them that certain parts of the body are to remain private.
Does the U.S. government think parents are too stupid to teach their children this? Sex education in junior high just makes the kids think about sex more.

Posted by: Kristen | July 21, 2007, 11:25 pm 11:25 pm

One more thing: When kindergarten children ask where babies come from, the parents can tell them from the mother’s body. If they get more inquisitive, just tell them the father helped put the baby there. If they ask “how,” just say by special delivery. That’s all they need to know at a young age.
I doubt that the average kid is going to expect technical answers.

Posted by: Kristen | July 21, 2007, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm

I find it interesting and telling how many are on here who seem to only have one thing come to mind when they hear or read the word “sex.” You are the true immoral sex fiends and I pray to your god that your children are not subjected to your sense of your own bodies and the thought of *gasp* sex. Hopefully someone will counteract whatever you teach them in lieu of the reasonable, rational, intelligent, non-perverted, and beautiful thing that the human body and reproductive science is. It’s like dealing with perpetual pubescents with some of you.

Posted by: darren | July 22, 2007, 2:56 am 2:56 am

Please, please, please people…reread the story…get past the sensationbalized headline and read Barack’s quotes…I hope they’re accurate. He is advocating for AGE APPROPRIATE discussions, not state-mandated classes..the bulk of his quotes in the story talked about older kids anyway, and when he did refer to the younger students he was referring to telling them the difference between good touching and bad touching…what is wrong with that? Sure, parents are the best sources of this kind of info…but what if your parent is so closed-minded, or had been molested themselves, or just plain didn’t give a crap? You think that kid is going to get the best info, info that may save him or her form a lifetime of pain at orst and a little bit of confusion at best? Context people, CONTEXT! What Obama said was well-reasoned and well said…as always.

Posted by: Mark Billingsley | July 22, 2007, 6:01 am 6:01 am

Man you guys are so right. It should be left up to the parents. Why should a child be exposed to some liberal hippy teacher telling them that is not ok for people to touch them. I mean it should be left up to the family to teach them. As we all can deduct since 78.5 percent of sexual abuse cases are perpetrated by the parents and 7 percent other relatives, than in all likelihood they would be a good source to teach these kids the whole good touch bad touch thing.

Posted by: Phil | July 22, 2007, 11:14 am 11:14 am

What’s next? We send our children to school to be potty trained, because, we, as parents, are so incompetent we are unable to perform the task ourselves? Why do we spend millions on the federally funded D.A.R.E program which has yet to be proven effective? Now let’s teach age appropriate awareness of sex in Kindergarten because a MINORITY of parents can’t, don’t, won’t, teach it at home. New flash, teachers quickly become aware of which children have “problems”. They are instantly referred to a counselor and the parents and student are sat down for a “chat” and issues are resolved.
Why is so much of Federal funding geared to a small group of people? Because, we as Americans, are more interested in “feeling good” about ourselves and we want to be politically correct at all times. To digress from the mainstream would just not make us feel good about ourselves. Go ahead, blame the government on everything that you perceive is wrong. If you folks out there are really serious, make it known at the voting booth from the local level to the Federal level. How many of you out there have voted in a local election or have even seen a voting booth?
Teachers have an overwhelming job to meet all of the Federal guidelines put before them. Kindergarten sex ed will just be another burden for them which will distract them from their educational tasks. Kindergarten is usually only a half day program in most States, so let’s just squeeze one more federally required program into those few short hours. Let’s forget that Kindergarten is supposed to prepare youngsters for their academic and social life down the road of a life long education. Who is going to write the curriculum for the K sex Ed? A Federal Committee (more money). Execution of the program will vary from district to district depending on how that school system sees itself in the mainstream and what the parents in that district will tolerate. Would it not be wiser to spend the money on bringing us up to par or exceeding par of our Asian and European counterparts in graduating students who can actually read, write, spell, know their American and International history, have a good working knowledge of math and science?
It is always interesting see how foreign students know more about our American history than our own students.

Posted by: outlaw | July 23, 2007, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm

What would the constitution say?

Posted by: Freedom | July 23, 2007, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm

What everyone is missing is Age appropriate, who gets to decide what age appropriate is, the vile abortion mongers who developed the program for the public schools. Not for my girls.
May God help those kids<

Posted by: jim | July 23, 2007, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm

Its funny how conservatives are proud to have infants and youngsters at abortion protests, yet if we tell them how people actually reproduce its tabu… go figure!

Posted by: Joe | July 23, 2007, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm

Hmmm, is this thaaaaat confusing and covered. Parents are sooo reticent to talk about how they relate to eacy other. Umm, eerr ,ohh that, you know.
The proper discussion is about how we became a family. Why make it dirty how they met, got married and had children??? OOOOPs Can’t talk that. Why. Because we have participated in things in our lives or thoughts which, embarrass us, or seen the results of others doing so? What’s wrong???
We are born with this in our flesh and minds. Just because there is an area of desire which is not right or appropriate; do we not talk about the right way of life connected with it.
Maybe parents just cannot tell about it for the old foolish adage that if “you tell ‘em about sex they’ll go out seeking it.” Maybe it is just misunderstanding how it is natural and good in a marriage. A bond between a man and his wife for strength, peace and to show love in unity. Tough to talk about it if you don’t have the proper view.
Of course, for some sex isn’t sacred. It’s recreation. Thus, women and men use each other a temporary vacation for their pleasure. No matter the consequences. Some even welcome such. Hmmm Hedonism, wants all in the boat. Even if it’s sinking!!
The most foolish and destructive to family and life is homosexuality. Men and women will do this , yes, for them who are we know to you it is about the fact you feel this way. However, it is unnatural and against natural inclination. If you are happy that way, so be it. If not, find out why. Maybe there’s a way out.

Posted by: Brad | July 23, 2007, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm

Let Obama send the kids to the sex-ed he has in mind for everybody else’s kids. Who decides what is “age appropriate”? Specify word for word what is age-appropriate sex ed. Obama why are you so strong for this kindergarten class, what is behind your motives??? Why should it be that a parent can “opt-out” why not make it that a parent can “opt-in” the class for their kids. This is just the liberal perverted mind to teach our kids THEIR ways and lack of values. THE PARENTS SHOULD HAVE A SAY SO ON EVERY LEVEL ESPECIALLY KINDERGARTEN AS TO WHAT IS BEING TAUGHT TO OUR CHILDREN IN THE CLASSROOM, ESPECIALLY A “SEX-ED” CLASS. WE MUST TELL THE GOVERNMENT TO STOP MEDDLING IN OUR RAISING OF OUR CHILDREN.
OBAMA MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS AS TO WHAT AND WHEN SEX SHOULD BE TAUGHT TO OUR CHILDREN. There are some sick motives behind this kind of really strong support from these liberal candidates.

Posted by: Rosa Cerrato | July 24, 2007, 12:18 am 12:18 am

Mind you, im not a fan Obama, but seriously? Growing up in the XY Generation myself, i know from personal experience I learned a lot of my facts about sex far before I ever took sex ed. OBVIOUSLY, we aren’t going to teach 5 years olds about contraceptives, and about the extensive anatomy, but i think it is very important for them to understand how boys and girls are different. Sex education isn’t just about SEX, oh no, it’s the S-WORD! God Forbid we say SEXUAL EDUCATION, but you know, Health is an acceptable course. It’s The SAME DAMN THINGS. Look up what you’re kids are learning in high school while taking, oh my gosh, HEALTH. Really now, Do you HONESTLY think Obama wants to teach 5 year olds how a penis works? NO, Stop being so thick head and realize what he is trying to do. Really people, I know for a fact you’re smarter than that.

Posted by: College Student | July 24, 2007, 3:20 am 3:20 am

So teachers should tell five-year-olds where babies come from? So what’s next, the truth about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny?
Just another example of progressive mindset of the indoctrination of children–the STATE will decide what they know and when they know it.
Maybe this is just his way of letting other liberals know that he–like Hillary–wants total control of the children.

Posted by: nuke726 | July 24, 2007, 5:00 am 5:00 am

“But we also know that when the statistics tell us that nearly half of 15 to 19 year olds are engaging in sexual activity, that for us to leave them in ignorance is potentially consigning them to illness, pregnancy, poverty, and in some cases, death.”"
Obama is clueless as to cause of the problem he cites.
The real problem is family court reform which no one has the guts to deal with.

Posted by: Robert | July 24, 2007, 9:23 am 9:23 am

Allrighty ABC! Way to be factual, non-biased, and trustworthy! Jesus, for a minute there I thought I was watching Fox News.
I was AT that flippin’ conference where Obama made the statements in question, and you have, in typical, inflammatory, dumbing-down-America style, taken them completely out of context. Of all the deeply moving, thoughtful, note-worthy statements made that day, THIS is what you put in your headline? Who the crap is your writer? Rush Limbaugh?
Wait a minute…why am I surprised?

Posted by: K | July 27, 2007, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm

*Palm to forehead* Many of you are so moronic I can’t even take it. Firstly, this quote is taken totally out of context. Obama is simply seeking to provide a more comprehensive sex education system for middle schoolers and high schoolers, this whole stupid kindergarten thing just got brought up out of the blue by someone asking a stupid question.
Many of you seem to think that if you don’t teach people abstinence only sex ed that everyone will become pregnant, when the reverse is true! I live in Boise, Idaho, and between Burley and Boise sex ed Boise’s is way more comprehensive and includes condoms and the like. In Burley they teach abstinence only. And guess what? Burley, Idaho has one of the worst teen pregnancy statistics in the nation!
Education about sex does not mean that anyone is going to /have/ sex. When I was 6, my best friend told me that the way babies were made was by rubbing your tummies together. I knew this couldn’t be right, so I asked my parents and they told me the truth…and then I went back to playing outside! Since when did one of life’s primary functions become some big secret? It’s not the big deal all of you are making it out to be!
Stop blaming liberals for everything, you ignorant jerks. In case you weren’t aware, the liberals of the world were the ones who wanted to free the slaves and the conservatives wanted to keep them. Hmmm…
And to those of you who are all nostalgic for the days when no one talking about sex at all, you disgust me. Until Kinsey, even college students didn’t know about sex, especially women. Lack of knowledge about sex impacts women all over the globe in a terribly negative and harmful way. It says alot about our country if we can’t even stomach telling our children the facts of life.

Posted by: Sara | July 29, 2007, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm

As a kindergarten teacher, Obama’s “idea” of “age-appropriate” sex-ed is LUDICRUS. What is wrong with this man? He has obviously never spent any length of substantial time in a kindergarten classroom ((no, holiday parties in his daughters’ kindergarten classes do not count)). Children this young DO NOT CARE. They may innocently inquire about babies, and as a teacher, you can refer them to their parents, or simply ask them, “well, what do you think?” The point is not to shovel left-wing sex-ed conspiracy down their throats starting at 5 years old. The point is to encourage the children to THINK FOR THEMSELVES and make their own decisions – not educate them because “well, everyone is going to do it.” No, not everyone does it! As a soon to be parent, I will definitely be teaching my child ((yes even when she is 19 years old)) that sex belongs in a marriage. I am 24 years old – I was taught that way and guess what, I’ve only ever slept with my husband. OMG it can actually happen! Get a grip, Obama.. or better yet, keep saying retarded things so that no one votes for you.

Posted by: K teacher | August 3, 2007, 4:06 am 4:06 am

Education about appropriate touching might be good for those kids who learn about sex because their daddy likes to touch them inappropriately. Don’t you know that kids right now are being abused?? What about them? Wouldn’t it be nice if they knew it was wrong and told a teacher?? Maybe your kids are fine learning about sex from you. But your hysterics aren’t protecting those kids whose parents DON’T teach them and who are being abused right now. It’s not fair to them to keep them in the dark. Don’t get me wrong – I’m not for Sex-Ed in general for kids that young, but teaching them about inappropriate touching (and ONLY teaching them about that – please – they don’t need to know any more) is necessary to protect them.

Posted by: Trish | August 5, 2007, 12:57 am 12:57 am

Wow. “Liberal garbage”, “liberalism is a mental disorder”. Talk about JUDGEMENTAL. Perhaps with less judment in our society people especially children and teenagers would not feel embarrased to ask questions regarding STD’s, protection, pregnancy, etc. The reason they do not ask is because the usual follow up question is, “Oh no your not having SEX are you?!?!?!” as if sex is a bad thing. Sex is human nature and it is a part of our biology, the very biology that children are NOT being properly educated about. Honestly if a teenager is going to have sex they will have sex regardless of what they are taught and where they hear it from. So why not educate them on an age appropriate level starting young, maybe not kidergarten but give them information slowly. This may be the means to the prevention of teenage pregnancy and STD’s. After all knowledge is power.

Posted by: S.E.S. | August 7, 2007, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm

sex in kindergarten? these people must be stupid! i taught my child about sex when she was 14…if they here about every detail, they might want to
“try it out”…..

Posted by: amy | August 9, 2007, 9:24 pm 9:24 pm

Okay very simple, if sex ed is taught in school in any way shape or form in kindergarten my children will not go to public schools period the end. To much information is given to young children already as it is… let children have a childhood already… let children have their innocence.
I came here looking for information because someone told be about Obama talking about sex ed kindergarten.
For those who want to talk about moving forward as a nation I have to ask you this. Yes back in the day bad things happened…but look at our country today. Why? Please tell me this. Children are having sex, killing, doing drugs.
For all those in favor of this because 11, 12, 13 yr. olds are having kids. Come on and get for real. This is not because of a lack of information, this is a lack of moral teaching. What can we expect though when no one is to mention god … right and wrong. I would like to know where were the parents that these children at this age are given the opportunity to get pregnant. Should we then just hand over our children when we give birth to the govt. to raise our children so that this does not happen.
If you want to educate children about this subject lets be smart about it Sen. Obama and go about it in the correct way and send out literature to parents about talking to our kids, raise awareness this way. This way parents can decide what and when to tell there child.
I tell you what I want the govt. to get strict with criminals.. especially those committed against children. They should be locked up for life. I am sick of hearing about there rights. THEY GAVE THEM UP the moment they touched a child.

Posted by: msangel | August 14, 2007, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm

You people are nuts. Sex doesn’t mean teaching positions. Age appropriate means talking about healthy relationships, how to be a good friend, if anyone touches your “junk” tell someone you trust. You say the word sex and the christian police get all up in your grill. Sheesh!

Posted by: josh | August 20, 2007, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm

What makes you ppl who agree with this think that any sex ed is appropriate at this age and that the schools won’t go way over the line in their own “interpretations” of what that means? After all there has been a class taught in public schools to jr high students called – of all things – In God’s Eyes that included teaching them about homosexuality, bisexuality, and tools including cat-o-nine tails…. yea, that’s appropriate. My little 5 yr old girl asked where babies come from I said my belly, she asked how she got in there – I said God sent her from heaven. No more info needed at this age. Do NOT STEAL their innocence! TV and Video games will do that soon enough.

Posted by: kmf | September 6, 2007, 8:38 am 8:38 am

C’mon. You don’t need a whole SEX ED curriculum to tell children:
a)Babies come from mommy’s tummies
b)Nobody should ever touch your private parts.
That doesn’t require SEX ED. HELLO. Half of Kinergartners are still learning to TIE THEIR SHOES. Let parents deal with any issues remotely related to sex until puberty at least. For crying out loud.

Posted by: Amy | September 9, 2007, 11:31 am 11:31 am

The parents should be the ones educating their children from beginning to end. It is not up to the schools or the government to decide this for us. God gave us the resposiblity to be parents. We should not put our responsiblities on our schools or government or our society. We need to get a grip in this country. No one should have to hold our hands.

Posted by: Renee | September 16, 2007, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm

Some poeple care and some dont. I am ultra liberal and for some reason people think that it is a liberal thing to teach 5 yr olds about sex, no it is not! I dont think 5 and 6 yr old kids should be told about sex. Let them be kids while they can, let them run, jump, and get hurt if the subject comes up early then talk to them. Unless these kids can do college work I dont think they need to focus on sex of all things. Even if it is “age apporiate”

Posted by: Jessica | September 21, 2007, 12:25 am 12:25 am

Okay, I have never posted a response to any of these discussions before. However, as a current kindergarten teacher I feel the need to.
Sex Education takes many forms, but, some of it is VERY appropriate in kindergarten. Children need to learn about inapporpriate touching, that is sex ed at a k level. Haven’t you read the papers about children ages 4-6 who have been EXPELLED for inappropriate touching??? If they know what it is or not, it is wrong, and most parents DO NOT EDUCATE their children on that subject. Let them play DOCTOR, and who cares.
You tell that to a 5 year old little girl who had 3 5 year old boys take her clothing off of her and put things inside her on a Florida school playground. No one taught them right from wrong.
Or 2 five year old girls waiting for the bus, and one decides to put her hands in the other girls pants, because someone had done that to her, and no one told her it was wrong.
More and more children are being sexual assulted by peers, it is not okay to play doctor. I was 8 years old the first time a boy took my clothes off.
If the subject comes up, then yes, I think that it is the schools place to intervene. This protects all students.

Posted by: cane | September 23, 2007, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm

I’m very offended at some of the comments on this website. I am part of the generation of today and you act like we’re all crazed monsters, getting pregnant by numerous partners. It’s sad to think that you’re so close-minded. You’re supposed to be who this generation looks up to for guidance and a good example, yet your comments are rude and stereotypical. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion; how about you say it without being mean?
I support Barack Obama’s decision on this matter. When he calls this “sex ed.,” he doesn’t mean that he supports teaching children about the act of sex, but about inappropriate touching and matters such as those. Also, parents are becoming increasingly less likely to educate their children on any type of sexual matter. I give credit to the parents who have posted on this website saying they would like to educate their own children about such a sensitive subject; it shows that you care for your children. However, not all parents are like you. They won’t teach their children anything. These kids deserve a chance to learn about sexual topics.
But back to the kindergarten children, they should learn right from wrong when it concerns inappropriate touching =]

Posted by: heather | September 28, 2007, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm

I think that we as parents as well as schools should be teaching our children everything there is to know about sex education as early as possible.I am a mother of a 7 year old girl and I have always had a great fear of someone sexualy assaulting her, face it you just cant trust anyone anymore it happened to my mother when she was a little girl and it happened to me.If any of you disagree then tell me this,if a child has not been taught about sexual behavior then if something happens to them how will they know what is happening or that it is wrong or even if it is something that they should tell you about? Think about it,How can they tell you about something if they dont even know what it is? Wouldnt you want to know.

Posted by: Cassandra | September 28, 2007, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm

Children need to know. PERIOD. Any person, parent or otherwise that thinks it is ok to keep their child in the dark because THEY are uncomfortable believing that their child is a sexual being needs to get out of that frame of mind and FAST. It is better that it is taught at school so that the child is learning with peers. One also has to realize that not every parent is going to give their child a sex talk. If it is taught at school they are all at the same level and if it starts at a young age they will be more open and comfortable with asking questions. They will also feel better about themselves knowing what is going on with their bodies. Basically they need to start learning about things young. You can’t be smart about something if you don’t know about it, and you won’t learn about it if you feel uncomfortable talking or asking questions.
If the child isn’t getting information from you or the school they are getting it elsewhere BELIEVE me.

Posted by: Courtney | September 30, 2007, 10:00 pm 10:00 pm

Those of you who keep pointing out the fact that Obama is not talking about explicit sex are missing the point. The point is that it is no appropriate for the government to decide when OUR children need to learn about sexual topics. Parents know their own children and can decide WHEN it is appropriate to give children sexual education. I am prone to believe that those of you who are standing up for this absurdity either do not have children or you smoked a few too many in your youth.

Posted by: Serena | October 5, 2007, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm

Sex ed in school is not bad but it is a waste of money!!!!!!!!!
but school is too so why not waste the money!!
Get the county out of debt then use the extra money for school.

Posted by: peter | October 15, 2007, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm

Why teach the kids what the parents should teach. If we teach it in school we will have to keep an eye on nap time. Whats next Michal Jackson teaching kindergarten.

Posted by: Bartuc | October 15, 2007, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm

privite schools has nothing to do with privites so why sould public schools put the privites public!

Posted by: ben | October 15, 2007, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm

this is ridiculous! Obama is an idiot, and just wants to find an issue no one has argued about. Sex ed for 5 y/o? Five y/o are playing w/ dolls and gi joes. How can they even grasp the subject of sex? when we teach this, we are just as bad as the media. This is something for parents to discuss, or the kids to find this out on their own. Heck, kindergarteners still believe in Santa and the Easter Bunny, how r they supposed to know about sex too? These kids are goin to be talkin so dirty at age 5, crazy

Posted by: alex | October 25, 2007, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm

i think this guy is stoned

Posted by: josh | November 7, 2007, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm

i think it is a great idea to tell them at least something because at age 7 i accidentally thought porn was a skateboard move so kids could get in big trouble that way especially wen i saw wat it was wen i clicked on a link that said it. it could ruin a childs life. kids should be educated enough to know right from wrong.

Posted by: joe | November 7, 2007, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm

okay obviously people didn’t read the article he didn’t say teach sex education because that would be absurd. Medically correct information like the antomy of their growing bodies in kindergarten and where do babies come from they should be addressed before being questioned.

Posted by: aimee | November 9, 2007, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm

To the parents who ask why a kindergarten child would need sex ed, I found this article while looking up age appropriate curriculum when my own kindergartner asked me where those couples were getting their babies. I also work with kids who have suffered sexual abuse, many of the kids didn’t quite understand what was wrong with what was happening to them because the parents who were abusing them didn’t teach them that it was wrong. Where else would these kids get their information but in a public school? I am sure it is possible to put together a factual, age appropriate curriculium.

Posted by: Dana | November 13, 2007, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm

If Mr. Obama and his wife gave birth to a baby girl they would’ve understand the feeling of parents with their 4 year old been taught of SEX! They have no right with my child. Why don’t just leave our children alone, do something betta, go out there and fight the war of freedom in Iraq!!!! Or find Osama, Mr Obama!! who knows maybe thats ur good partner….

Posted by: CONCERN MOTHER | November 14, 2007, 7:03 am 7:03 am

It is best to learn another language early as a child than start when you’re a teen. I learned how to speak english (my second language) when I was in elementary school and it was easy. By the age of 12, 6 years of learning the english language, I could speak it almost fluently, and understand the language. So what I’m really saying is, if you were to teach children about sex early it be best for them. The more they know about it, the less curiousity they have with the subject. It’s like drinking alcohol, teenagers abuse drinking alcohol more because they’re not allow to.

Posted by: Jane | November 14, 2007, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm

“Let me teach them about sexuality at home. Its my responsibility as a parent, not the state’s.” Sam
Not all parents can teach their kids about sexuality! If parents can teach their kids about sex, why are there so many teens having sexual activity and without protection or birth control?! Hate to break it to you, but not all parents are responsible!

Posted by: Lucy | November 15, 2007, 8:04 pm 8:04 pm

when my child stops believing in santa he can stop hearing about the stork and learn the facts. Lets preserve the innocence of children please…

Posted by: Jay | November 17, 2007, 10:31 pm 10:31 pm

Obama The Moron:
Who does he think he is telling me that he can talk about sex to my baby? My religious beliefs go against this kind of behavior. My babies are now 18 and 16, they are intelligent young ladies, never dated, get straight ‘A’s and were taken out of sex ed every time the public school system pushed it. How about better math and science teachers Obama? If you hadn’t noticed, our country needs that kind of education. Stay out of our personal business, or get out of the business of being half-baked educators! Private schooling here we come!!

Posted by: Jan | November 18, 2007, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm

Morals not sex education:
Teaching the way of the bible, not the way to have sex is what’s needed- but you politicians wouldn’t have any use for that!

Posted by: Jan | November 18, 2007, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm

O’bamma is nothing short of a fool. I think that the Muslims ruined him. I’ve never heard of a damn thing that this half-wit has said that mekes even a ounce of sence. He needs Leggos for Christmas to play with since this is his “speed.”

Posted by: Danny Stacks | November 21, 2007, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm

We have to remember that you can choose to send your kids to private schooling if you deem that necessary. The reason we have to educate children on the BASICS of sexual education is because there are parents out there that don’t inform their kids about it. If the schools and/or parents teach them right, they won’t have to go exploring on the internet for answers. Like I said you can teach them the non-biased basics. If you raised your kids right they will still base all of there sexual related decisions on the morals you gave me. In the end, the primary information comes from the parents. You still have the right to choose and if you don’t like how the public school system does it then send them to public school.

Posted by: JS | November 24, 2007, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm

Think America should make Karl Rove’s day, and give him Hillary as nominee.

Posted by: pat | December 19, 2007, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm

I believe it is written somewhere to, “Raise a child in the way it should go and when it grows old it will not depart from it”. It didn’t specify what to teach the child, but I really do believe it constituted all things and since sex is one of our major factors in life, I am in complete agreement with Mr. Obama. Who said it was alright to teach our children to play with guns and grow up to kill someone, yet, that is exploited all over the tv, wheather in the news or on some syndicated drama. Which is the lessor of two evils?

Posted by: HH | December 20, 2007, 9:08 pm 9:08 pm

Heh, the world continues to fall. Man, how i miss the past when we had limitations. Life has become what it is because of the continuous exploitation of sex in the media and the mixing of the sexes. No wonder younger people think more about sex these days then they did during my time. The solution is not to teach younger children about sex. Once they learn about it, they will want to know more, share it with their friends, talk about it freely and become more aware of the references made to sex in the media. Therefore my solution would be, segregate genders and stop showing sex in the media. Humans have weaknesses, therefore in some situations they need controlled environments! But I know that would be impossible now when the world is so caught up in this new way of life.

Posted by: MM | January 5, 2008, 10:53 am 10:53 am

STOP BELIEVING IN THIS MAN. THIS MAN WOULD NOT EVEN PLACE HIS HAND ON HIS HEART DURING THE NATIONAL ANTHEM. HE IS NOT A TRUE AMERICAN. START LOOKING ON THE WEB AND SEE THESE PHOTOS. IT IS UNAMERICAN IN MY OPINION. HE WILL NOT GET MY VOTE.

Posted by: PATTY | January 7, 2008, 11:41 am 11:41 am

I am a kindergarten teacher in a public school who has used a curriculum called “Talking About Touching”. If we do not educate our children about what kinds of touch are okay and what kinds are inappropriate, more cases of childhood sexual abuse will go undiscovered. Sadly, most children in an environment where such abuse is happening have no idea that it is wrong. In addition, there are instances where children are approached outside the home, or with babysitters or other caregivers, and exposed to inappropriate touch. If we don’t give them the words to use and the means to find a safe adult to tell, we are not doing our jobs. Every home isn’t the dwelling of Ozzie and Harriet, and even in the best of homes, outside influences can get in. YES, I support THIS KIND of curriculum. As with any instructional material, it has to be age appropriate.

Posted by: Lynnz | January 13, 2008, 11:07 pm 11:07 pm

I wanted to add to my post. Every year (and I have taught for over 30 yrs.) there is child-on-child touching. I don’t always catch it – sometimes it’s in the bathrooms, the dress-up play area or the playground. It isn’t always the classic “playing doctor” either. I’ve had children put their hands down other children’s pants. 30 years ago, we might have said “No” and send the culprit to the principal’s office. Today we may still do that, but include a lesson for ALL the children that reinforces “my body is nobody’s body but mine” and that the areas covered by a bathing suit are not meant for others to touch. That is a vital message for 5′s and 6′s.

Posted by: Lynnz | January 13, 2008, 11:13 pm 11:13 pm

Okay first of all, just because someone doesn’t put their hand on their heart for the national anthem doesn’t mean they are wrong. Military don’t put their hand on their heart….
As for education..I agree with Lynnz. Especially after watching a current episode of law and order SVU. so its not real but hey its based on reality! kids explore, and you have to teach them whats right adn whats wrong, and relying on parents to do it isn’t gonna work! so sorry but NOT all parents are there for their kids!

Posted by: Beth | January 16, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm

It always amazes me that anytime a coservative speaks out, they are labeled unintelligent, or a bigot, or what ever! The fact is, I am raising my children to be moral, law abiding AMERICAN citizens, and it DOES NOT take a village to raise a child; at least one involved and loving parent will do. It is fast becoming a country in which individual rights are being trampled for the sake of a few LAZY loudmouths who have neither the intelligence nor the courage to raise their own children. SEX ED for BABIES??? What the… ??

Posted by: Stephanie | January 16, 2008, 8:30 pm 8:30 pm

American? Really? Some of the comments are so completely ridiculous. Do we still live in a free society? I have three children and one happens to be in Kindergarten. He knows a baby comes from mommy’s tummy. What he does not know, nor should he at 5 YEARS OLD, is how it got there. This is the job of his mother and his father. While I realize that a portion of American children do not have parents to ask the big questions, it really irritates me that my children should have their innocence stolen because someone else has no daddy, or mommy, or two mommies, or two daddies, or whatever. Sweet Lord, what is happening to this country????

Posted by: Dawn | January 16, 2008, 8:37 pm 8:37 pm

i believe that anyone running forpresident would have more common sense to even bring up this subject in reference to children in kindergarten

Posted by: lou | January 25, 2008, 10:44 am 10:44 am

I believe that many people has the purpose of sex education confused. I read that someone said why not give 5 year olds condoms. Come on, give me a break. Many parents dont know where to begin with sex education and sex ed in school would be helpful. Children at this age have not sexual desire and whether you want to believe it or not they are curious at this age. They wonder what these parts of their bodies are for the same way they disscovered what their hands were for at a young age. Sex ed will eliminate myths and exploration as well as teach inappropriateness. Children need as much information as possible to grow. Ignorance is not bliss, it is an accident waiting to happen when it comes to sex. We live in a different world today, too many disease and crimes linked to sex not to inform our children about this

Posted by: Lin | February 7, 2008, 10:24 am 10:24 am

Why the heck does a presidential candidate believe in teaching little kids about sex? That’s wrong. He doesn’t get my vote.

Posted by: BigD | February 21, 2008, 9:21 pm 9:21 pm

the problem has been around for a while. Parents have depended more on the school systems to teach their children everything, because they do not have the time or inclination. The downfall to this is that us conservative parents who care about what are children are being taught and feel that it is our responsiblity as a parent to teach them about sex and other moral issues are now being faced with a delema and that is why the rate of children being pulled from public schools and are being place in private schools or being home schooled are rising. It is also a known fact that private school and home schooled students score 3 times higher on SATs, ACTs and do not require remedial classes in college like public school students. The liberal and their organizations that control the public school system are brainwashing our children and we are too blind to see it. For some interesting reading, I would recommend that everyone reads: Public Education Against America:The Hidden Agenda by Marlin Maddoux. It is very scary and a rude awakening. Especially, since we have federal courts saying that by placing a your child in public school you give up the right to say what and how they should be taught (reference: United States Courts of Appeals for the ninth circuit Fields v. Palmdale school district; geisser and atwood.)

Posted by: dgt | March 2, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm

ok well i dont think that its very good to teach little kids that stuff but at least he is thinking about there future and not other stuff you just have to give him credit for tryin and the only reason he brought that subject up is because teens are all of the sudden comin down wit std’s in some schools and the majority of the students are girls so ya i would not mind teaching my kid about sex ed at the age of 5,6 ts better to start early then to start late!!!

Posted by: ashley | March 12, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm

I agree with someone who posted above…I grew up in America…I am an American Muslim. Our culture is very strict. I actually like that it is strict. I didn’t know what sex was until I was in the sixth grade as well. I actually didn’t know a lot about it until I was in 10th grade. I chose to be ignorant about it. Our culture forbids pre-marital sex, so it was something I never thought about. I can’t even imagine learning about sex in kindergarden??? That is just crossing the line.
I love this country. I am proud to be an American, but this country needs to do something about its morals…seriously. Sometimes too much freedom can be a bad thing.

Posted by: Sara | March 28, 2008, 7:44 am 7:44 am

I know for a fact that kindergarteners know about sex already. Trust me, I’m in High School and I hear little kids talking worse than most teens. Parents letting kids watch rated R movies, and cartoons like Family Guy, … they shouldnt be allowed to be viewed by little kids.
If these issues were a big deal parents would have already stepped up to the plate and –most– dont. They simply say that it’s wrestling or somthing that confuses the child. Then they want to know more about what it really is, so they ask a older child.. 6th graders and such. Listen to them and then some times they try to do it. Not sex, exactly, touching.. that sort of thing.

Posted by: bb | April 11, 2008, 9:47 am 9:47 am

Just think of how many kids could have been save from years of molestation if they knew and understand what it was? Kids have to hear the truth from us so that they are protected from the lies of the world.
Sheri, Indiana

Posted by: SHERI SLISHER | April 12, 2008, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm

We all suffer because of those parents that aren’t doing their job as parents. Social skills have to be learned from somewhere.
Since I entered adulthood, 15 years ago, in all the places I’ve lived, at the different jobs I’ve worked, in college, almost every woman and even some men that I have met endured some sort of sexual abuse as a child. It may have been one incident or ongoing, but kids need to know what is right and wrong in every aspect of their life.

Posted by: Sheri | April 12, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm

Why does everyone always have to get so over excited and take everything out of context. One woman was sarcasticaly asking if we’d be giving them condoms..i mean come on, stop over exagerrating. Obama is proposing age appropriate sex education, no one’s saying that they’re going to get a full show of everything and how it works. I think it’s important to give honest answers to children when they ask questions, they’re not interested in the details – they just want an answer to satisfy their curiosity.
And for those people who have said they think parents should educate their children, there is a large percentage of parents who avoid doing this, therefore it is very necessary that schools teach sex education.

Posted by: kat | April 15, 2008, 11:28 am 11:28 am

Isn’t it brilliant when a high profile politician talks sense on the issue of sex and relationships education.
We all know very young children have questions about their bodies, and that they need to know the names of all body parts so they can keep safe and ask for help if they are being hurt. We also know they need to learn to share toys, to say please and thank you, and to understand and name their feelings. That is good sex education in the kindergarten.
We must not be hysterical because it is called sex education – it is about relationships, emotions and answering children’s questions honestly.
Well done Obama for speaking sense on this important issue.

Posted by: Simon Blake | April 16, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm

Just like Hillary says: It takes a village to raise a child. Yet Hillary does not go nearly far enough, but know Barack will.
Any fool realizes that parents alone are woefully incapable of managing the important task of raising their kids themselves. Most five year old kids have a daily yearning to know all about sex, so they need to be taught by government, despite their parents’ silly old fashioned redneck views.
It’s the right thing to do; The state must get involved in age-appropriate sex education at all levels. Obviously we won’t be handing out condoms in kindergarten; that is just ridiculous. We will wait until kids are at least in third grade for that.
Can parents teach their own kids about sex or anything else? C’mon don’t make me laff. Just look at how most parents have ruined their own lives by foolishly clinging to God, guns and distrust of foreigners.
Obviously the solution here is more government education and higher taxes on the rich to provide more government investment in our future. Only government can bring hope and change … not only into each adult’s life but also into their children’s lives.
This is why I am voting for Barack Obama, who is extremely wise, very patriotic, and deeply religious, just like his lifelong pastor, Jeremiah Wright.
Only Barack can offer America change, hope, and … did I say change
Yes we can … yes we can … yes we can …
/barf

Posted by: Freedom Fan | April 19, 2008, 1:19 am 1:19 am

just another lib talking nonsense.

Posted by: alex | April 22, 2008, 9:32 am 9:32 am

Wow…Just Wow Obama…Teacher Of Kindergarten: “Kids, Today We’re Going To Talk About Sex.” Kids:” Umm….Whats That?” -Teacher Brings Around A Condom To Show- Teacher: “Dont Have Sex With Out This.” Kids:”……..Whats Sex…And Whats A Condom….” Im So Against It…

Posted by: Michiru | April 30, 2008, 8:21 pm 8:21 pm

Parents Should Teach Thier Own Kids Sex Ed, If They Even Want To. The Schools Shouldnt Have Anything To Do With It. Kids USED To Go To School To Learn About Things That’ll Actully Helpful Like Math And Science…Now Its All Lets Go To School To Learn How To Put On A Condom! Teaching Repoduction System Is Fine, Just Dont Bring Sex Into It, Talk About How Cells Split Apart And Stuff..

Posted by: Michiru | April 30, 2008, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm

I think it is funny that you guys are adults but you are CALLING NAMES LIKE IN THE SCHOOL YARD, hahaha.
Parents, you think that telling your children at 14 is fine and some of you think not at all is even better. While, 12 and 13 year old think oral sex is appropriate. While, your waiting Jimmy is telling all the girls in six grade it is okay all the girls in eight grade are doing it. Then, you say well my daughter is smarter than that well i think all of them are smart but all of them do not have wise parents that think they need to talk to them about sex. Because i think you are preparing your children for a false sense of the world. What happens when they get to high school and college and you aren’t there. who is going to hold their hands? not you. I see it all the time friends who parents will not tell them and they depend on guys and friends.
at 14 it is to late. When, i was in third grade i had little boys telling me they wanted to hump me. And parents say well my kids tell me everything, not when they think your going to get angry with them or tell them not to talk to the person of the other gender anymore. Keeping us away from it drives us right in to it-it is called REBELLION or sneak around.
Turn on your television and what do you see SEX. And when mommy and daddy are gone little sara and tommy are watching television that is full of sexual content or their daycare buddies think they know something and tell them lies. Children are parrot they do what they see.
I agree children should learn about their own body, they do have a body don’t they?
I think it said that it is 2008 and you all think sex should not be taught in schools. why are we so afriad of sex? when it is all of the radio, television, and conversation of SOME children.

Posted by: VCU STUDENT | May 7, 2008, 5:52 am 5:52 am

and children do share their knowledge

Posted by: VCU STUDENT | May 7, 2008, 5:53 am 5:53 am

Ok i just want to make it clear for all of u who are like “trying to tell u about how to raise your kids” or “teaching sex to little kids” 1 it would be optinal but at leat u would have the option, and 2 it would not be about sex, excatly just about “bad touching” etc. etc. if u actually read the article then u will get it

Posted by: Bob | June 1, 2008, 3:43 am 3:43 am

I totally agree with Barack Obama. Our children are living in a world where child molesters live and I think they should know their private parts belong to them and no one else is allowed to touch them. Television is teaching our children so much about the wrong reason of sex, so it is important that we protect them from a cruel world, that is out there waiting to get them. For all you people that don’t get what he’s saying there are two types of sex education being taught in schools depending on where you live. “safe sex courses, which encourage children to use contraceptives and Abstinence programs strongly encourage children not to have sex until they’re married. Get to know your facts, before criticizing someone!!!

Posted by: Tashoma | July 15, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm

This is why starting before puberty is important:
“Sex education that works starts early, before young people reach puberty, and before they have developed established patterns of behaviour.15 16 17 The precise age at which information should be provided depends on the physical, emotional and intellectual development of the young people as well as their level of understanding. What is covered and also how, depends on who is providing the sex education, when they are providing it, and in what context, as well as what the individual young person wants to know about. ”
Source: http://www.avert.org/sexedu.htm

Posted by: sarah | July 29, 2008, 12:51 am 12:51 am

I think one example of appropriate sex ed for kindergarten age children would include what to do if an adult or older child tries to touch them inappropriately. I actually do think this is beyond appropriate, I believe it is necessary, unfortunately.
I can’t believe all the knee jerk reactions here. Obama isn’t suggesting we teach kindergarten kids how to use condoms.

Posted by: Rebecca | July 29, 2008, 8:52 am 8:52 am

It’s obvious the people who oppose sex education in school know nothing about the world or seem to think they live in a bubble. Children do not choose their parents, their school, nor their neighborhood and influences. While someone might do a good job talking to their kids, others won’t for a number of reasons. This would ensure all kids get the right messages because in the end these kids are all together and wouldn’t you rather know that your child and his peers know all the age-appropriate facts and/or warnings.

Posted by: Mary Beth LeMay | July 30, 2008, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm

SO pathetic. Obama did not mean that we should go in there and teach kids the whole reproductive system and how to have sex. ITs AGE APPROPRIATE! SO if a Kindergartener asks you where babies cme from, you say from a mom and a dad. They love each other in a special way that adults do and mommy might get pregnant and then have a baby. YOu tell them that boys have penises and girls have vaginas. You tell them that no on is allowed to touch your penis or vagina. its your private parts and no one should touch it or kiss it or put their body on it. You tell them to wipe and clean up and keep their privates healthy by cleaning them. Thats about age appropriate.
Its funny how so many conservatives are the ones whose kids get pregnant outside of marriage. I used to work at a school where the liberal women had babies AFTER they were married or they never got pregant before marriage although they were not virgins. One liberal even had an arranged marriage since that was the thing to do in her country before she came here. The 3 conservative women…both became pregnant before they were married. 2 had their babies and one had an abortion. hmmm how conservative is that?
Sex ed teaches the science aspect of sex. Parents should be too but they dont. All they do is forbid it. Even sex educators tell the students to wait until they are mature enough to handle sex, if you cant wait to marriage then at least wait until you are in a monogmaous commited realtionship. THat is how i was taught. in school and alittle bit at home. (my parents never lied to me about sex when i asked questions) I was one of the last of my freinds to lose my virginity. I never slept around. I never got pregnant before marriage. I practice safer sex. and im as liberal as they come. How come those 2 conservative girls i knew from work were both pregnant at age 19 and not married? Obvisly they were not taught properly or they didnt listen to safe sex education. Or they just didnt practice waht they preached.

Posted by: lisa | August 21, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm

This is beyond disgusting, babies do not need to know about sex, if obama is for this, I can only imagine what can be in store for our future to come if Obama is elected, next thing you know he will be in support of free abortions for 6 year old and passing condoms out to 3 year olds, God forbid we let these children keep their innocence.

Posted by: Erica | September 6, 2008, 5:17 am 5:17 am

What Obama doesn’t want you to read on Google: “Obama Supports Public Depravity.”
It could easily blow you away! Irv

Posted by: Irv | September 9, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm

Kindergarteners DO learn about sex AT HOME from their TV — much more than has ever or ever will come from a public school teacher. So all of you who are concerned about this, FIRST turn off your TV for all your children — THEN come back in a few years and express your concern about age appropriate sex education in the schools.

Posted by: Andrew | September 9, 2008, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm

I guess this just goes to show that people only see what they want to. The measure is about age-appropriate education.
This is probably a pointless post, as most of you will buy into the negative campaign ads, and believe all the spin and bold faced lies levied by either party.
God forbid you take it upon yourselves to read up an learn where these politicians really stand. Just sit back and believe whatever the man on the TV says.

Posted by: common sense | September 9, 2008, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm

Teddy Davis and Lindsay Ellerson need to go back to kindergarten themselves along with every moron who thinks that Obama advocates sex ed in kindergarten. He sponsored a bill to require K-12 sex ed classes to include information about disease prevention. K-12 defines the sort of schools covered, not the grades that offer sex ed. He was ridiculing Keyes for making this same absurd leap in his comments before Planned Parenthood.

Posted by: economaniac | September 9, 2008, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm

This is part of the Planned Parenthood corporate future planning.
Get those kids sexual as soon as possible…gotta meet those projected 2018 targets!!!!
Looks like there may be some impending budget cuts coming for PP.

Posted by: digby | September 9, 2008, 9:26 pm 9:26 pm

YES — Sex education for 4 and 5 years old!!! Have you ever heard of pedophiles? Do you think it might help those young children to know about “inappropriate touching” and that they should go to a trusted adult and report it. Grow up, folks.

Posted by: Em | September 9, 2008, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm

To hear the “you missed his age appropriate” speil still misses the boat. Because, while there may be those who would teach “appropriately” – there is no doubt, there would be many who would NOT. This would be subjective – and in the liberal/left dominated education system we have, this would descend into much more graphic teaching.
Just look at history – sex education (thanks to the libs/left) has gotten more graphic and introduced to younger and younger children in our schools. This would be the case with pre-schoolers, as well. To deny this would be idiotic. As it flies in the face of actual historical trends, whether intensions were good or not.

Posted by: right4us | September 9, 2008, 9:58 pm 9:58 pm

Most of these comments come from the typical American – one who is a poor reader, unable to grasp complex concepts and responds with knee-jerk reactionary comments. If to be liberal means to be able to read and comprehend complex concepts, appreciate the complexity and make a discerning judgment, count me among the most liberal of all. Guys, Obama is advocating two things. One, to enable teachers, with whom kindergartners spend hours each day, to respond to their questions with honest, but age-appropriate answers (just like any parent would hopefully do) and two, to help educate kindergartners on how to protect themselves against pedophiles. How anyone has a problem with this is beyond me. And the fact that so many do means it’s probably time to move to Europe.

Posted by: LJ | September 9, 2008, 10:14 pm 10:14 pm

LJ – Based on your smug, arrogant comments – Europe is very fitting for you. Hope you move there soon.

Posted by: right4us | September 9, 2008, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm

Someone please explain to me why the McCain camp has chosen to defend sexual predators, that “inappropriate touching” of our kids is an acceptable family value.

Posted by: Voltaire3000 | September 9, 2008, 10:25 pm 10:25 pm

Oh,the humanity. Parents having the ability to allow their children’s kindergarten teacher to tell a child that babies do not come from storks if that is what they wish for their children. Imagine the horror of small children, with their parent’s consent, finding out from teachers that nobody should touch them in “bad ways.” Surely this is a sign of the coming apocolypse.

Posted by: Mike | September 10, 2008, 12:06 am 12:06 am

SarahPalin – Child Abuser?
Court documents show that Judge Suddock was disturbed by the alleged attacks by Palin and her family members on Wooten’s behavior and character. “Disparaging will not be tolerated—it is a form of child abuse,” the judge told a settlement hearing in October 2005, according to typed notes of the proceedings. The judge added: “Relatives cannot disparage either. If occurs [sic] the parent needs to set boundaries for their relatives.”
“It is the mother’s [Hackett's] responsibility to set boundaries for her relatives and insure [sic] they respect them, and the disparagement by either parent, or their surrogates is emotional child abuse,” Judge Suddock wrote….

Posted by: jo | September 10, 2008, 12:09 am 12:09 am

Children in kindergarten should be taught that it’s OK to say “no,” that they never have to let someone touch them in their private parts, no matter what that person says or who that person is, and that they should tell a teacher or parent if they are ever touched sexually by an adult or an older child.
That IS age-appropriate sex ed for 5 year olds, and that is the kind of thing that Obama supports. It should just have a different name, like ‘health and wellness’ or ‘safety’ so that people don’t get the wrong impression.
Folks, I think this is one of those cases where there’s plenty of common ground between the left and right. No need to fight about this one.

Posted by: anon | September 10, 2008, 1:07 am 1:07 am

[if one cannot come up with details of the proposed "age appropriate" sex education for kindergartners..then it becomes difficult to decide which side of the fence to be on.]
Obama supported something like this, from an Oregon law:
A. Grades K-3:
1. Good touch, bad touch
2. Understanding body parts, proper anatomical names, stages in basic
growth process
3. Communicable/non-communicable diseases, the concept
4. Behaviors that reduce the spread of communicable diseases (washing
hands, not sharing eating utensils, using Kleenex)
5. Accepting of their uniqueness and a positive regard for themselves and
others
6. Recognize risk behaviors (sharing body fluids) and methods of prevention
7. Unsafe objects (needles, broken glass, drug paraphernalia)
8. Refusal skills, role playing
9. Personal hygiene
10. Emotional development

Posted by: Steve J. | September 10, 2008, 1:14 am 1:14 am

The only sex ed kindergartners get is to be aware of what is appropriate and inappropriate touching, and to tell someone if someone does something that makes them uncomfortable.
How anyone could think that sex ed in kindergarten means teaching 5 year olds about sex is beyond me.

Posted by: blha2 | September 10, 2008, 1:24 am 1:24 am

Obama = government! Sex education & values should come from home & parents for young kids. This socialist wants control of our youth (similar of Hitler)with his youth camps, it’s called indoctrination.

Posted by: okay | September 10, 2008, 7:03 am 7:03 am

Obviously abstinence education doesn’t work.
Seriously though…he’s advocating sex education as it would be taught to 8th graders – the Right gets so sensitive and PC about issues and then accuses the Left of being PC and sensitive? Give me a break.

Posted by: Mike | September 10, 2008, 8:28 am 8:28 am

This ABC news story is the worst kind of journalism–leaving out vital information and clarification, to paint a far less than accurate picture of the subject’s true stance on the issue. A little research would turn up the fact that the bill being referred to had a provision concerning teaching kindergarten age kids the difference between “good touch” and “bad touch,” to protect them from sexual predators. It had nothing to do with teaching little kids where babies come from or the how-tos of sex. ABC should be ashamed of this blatantly partisan piece of yellow journalism.

Posted by: Michael | September 10, 2008, 9:06 am 9:06 am

OK, I just have to ask something here.
What if a kid in kindergarten asks the teacher, “where do babies come from?”
I think it is best NOT to lie to kids and say it’s the stork. Tell them the truth.
Because as kids get older, they will discover that they have been lied to, and will become less trusting of adults.
Also, kids to be warned about pedophiles, and about inappropriate touching by an adult, the the younger we teache kids about this, the better.
So, maybe if kids are taught the whole truth about sex, they can avoid pregnancies, sexually transmissible diseases, and being preyed upon by pedophile scum!
Tell children the truth! Do not lie to them! That’s the bottom line.
Schools are to educate, NOT indoctrinate!
Say! that rhymes! I like it! :)

Posted by: Fat Man | September 10, 2008, 9:23 am 9:23 am

Teaching 5 year olds about inappropriate touching is not only age-appropriate – it would be criminal NOT to teach them. John McCain has redefined the word “snake.”

Posted by: cturple | September 10, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am

Kindergardens should be taught about sex and having sex and where babies come from. It might scare them, but they need it and our schools (I am a teacher) should be free to decide what is right or wrong. The parents are doing a poor job, and thus teaching about condoms and other such measures, even to kindergardens, helps to prepare them for the real world, not the “Brady Bunch” world that McCain and the Christians live in.

Posted by: Bill S | September 10, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm

Kindergardens should be taught about sex and having sex and where babies come from. It might scare them, but they need it and our schools (I am a teacher) should be free to decide what is right or wrong. The parents are doing a poor job, and thus teaching about condoms and other such measures, even to kindergardens, helps to prepare them for the real world, not the “Brady Bunch” world that McCain and the Christians live in.

Posted by: Bill S | September 10, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm

Comprehensive age-appropriate or Lifespan Sexuality Education is great if done well. Go here: http://www.uua.org/religiouseducation/curricula/ourwhole/
for an example of one outstanding curriculum that starts with a k-1 module.

Posted by: Ken Winterberger | September 10, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm

I’m an independant, not a republican or democrat. On the one hand I agree with his statement that kids need to be aware of such things; but in school? When I have children I will not allow the SCHOOL to teach something that I should be teaching in the HOME. It isn’t proper. School is to teach health, it is to teach math, english, science, give them an opportunity to learn an instrument, draw, act and many other programs that should be taught by an educator. But sex education should really be taught in our homes. Are we really this incompitent as a nation that we need to give up our personal rights and responsiblities as parents to a public system that frankly we have less and less control of every year?

Posted by: Nikkie | September 10, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm

sorry- typed that fast; there were some spelling errors.
I’m an independent, not a republican or democrat. On the one hand I agree with his statement that kids need to be aware of such things; but in school? When I have children I will not allow the SCHOOL to teach something that I should be teaching in the HOME. It isn’t proper. School is to teach health, it is to teach math, English, science, give them an opportunity to learn an instrument, draw, act and many other programs that should be taught by an educator. But sex education should really be taught in our homes. Are we really this incompetent as a nation that we need to give up our personal rights and responsibilities as parents to a public system that frankly we have less and less control of every year?

Posted by: Nikkie | September 10, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm

This entire conversation is ridiculous. Offering age-appropriate, accurate information to five-year-old children is entirely legitimate. It involves telling them that if somebody touches them in certain places, it is not OK and they should tell someone else. Given that most cases of child sexual abuse are perpetrated by members of a child’s own family or family friends, leaving the responsibility for this discussion up to parents and guardians is irresponsible. Public education is a fundamental right of all citizens, and it should include information on how to protect yourself, especially if you’re only in kindergarten. You all seem to think that teaching children about this is going to take away from valuable classroom time for learning reading and math, but this is a subject that would not likely take more than one hour from an entire year of school, and could potentially help thousands of students who are molested, then left feeling isolated and confused because they don’t understand what’s going on and because they either think they’re the only person who goes through this or think that it’s normal. PLEASE educate the children whose parents can’t be bothered, or who think that their children are “too young” to learn about those things, because awful things happen in places where no one wants to talk about them.

Posted by: "Liberal Crazy" | September 10, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm

I don’t think that the information needs to be taught in Kindergarten, but having an available age-appropriate curriculum is a very good thing. I have taught comprehensive sexuality education for a number of years (about 8) in a church setting. The feedback we get from parents (families) is that getting this sort of information in a group setting is much better than in a closed family setting. Not talking about it at all is a bad thing. There is a LOT more to sexuality education than mechanics and plumbing. Good, comprehensive sexuality education gets into relationships, values (family, societal, cultural), feelings, etc.
If you think you can cover this well in your family, without interacting with others, let me know how you do it.
Age appropriateness is very important. The Our Whole Lives (OWL) curriculum is one that emphasizes this. Sexuality is a very complex and vitally important aspect of all of our lives (whether we are comfortable talking about it or not). Having information dumped on us at one point and expecting instant absorption is not realistic. Start the process early and do it often. Our kids will be a whole lot more comfortable with the subject than we are and will thank us for it.

Posted by: Ken Winterberger | September 10, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm

The John McCain attack ad purporting that Barack Obama advocate age-appropriate and science-based sex education in schools has again exposed the general lack of understanding that the public has about sex education. Most of the negative comments about Obama on internet blogs seem to make the assumption that the intention of age-appropriate and science-based sex education is to teach very young children about intercourse and other adult sexual activities. That is not what Obama meant and it is not something that young children even have the capacity to grasp.
What Obama was talking about was warning young children about sexual predators and explaining concepts like “good touch and bad touch.” A specific example would be teaching young children that it is inappropriate to touch ANYONE else without their permission, including other children. This is a very important lesson and one that should be reinforced by teaching the children how to comfortably say “NO” when they are asked and do not wish to be physically touched in any way. In addition to the problem of sexual predators, children can be very disrespectful to other children and their early experiences, particularly in the public schools, often leave scars that last a lifetime.
Other industrialized countries that teach age-appropriate and science-based sex education in the public schools have much lower rates of unwanted teenage pregnancy, abortion and STDs. Also, many studies have shown that the more age-appropriate and science-based sex education a person has, ,on average, the longer they will delay the age of initial intercourse.
It is vital that we all understand the issues involved with this discussion (the very safety of very young as well as older children) and how important they are to all of us, our society and, especially our children.
—-
Gary Schubach, Ed.D., A.C.S.
http://www.DoctorG.com

Posted by: Gary Schubach, Ed.D., A.C.S. | September 10, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm

Did you actually read the article? The key words are “age appropriate”. He is talking about teaching kids to recognize inappropriate touch…and even then parents can opt out. I actually have a kindergartner and he began asking questions last year about his body and girls bodies…so I don’t know why everyone is so “SHOCKED”.
Someone commented her Catholic school
does a session on “good touch/bad touch”. Catholics!
This is just another non-issue the
republicans put out to divide. So much
for change….

Posted by: Danielle | September 10, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm

It’s important, here, to understand what “abstinence only education” means. Under the current situation in many schools, they could, techinically, lose funding if they answered the “where do babies come from” question. I think the concept of “age appropriate” sex education in this case is just removing that troubling restriction.
Also the “good thing” decree was, I think, taken a bit out of context. Obama was talking about a particular criticism (“I’ve been accused of supporting sex education for kindergarteners”) and then went on to say that age appropriate sex education was a good thing… presumably meaning for young people in general, not kindergarteners specifically…

Posted by: CJ | September 10, 2008, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm

I couldn’t believe what I was hearing. This just shows how out of touch McCain and his advisors must be. I’m a grandmother raising two grandchildren. Our school has a program called “Kids’ Rights Child Abuse Prevention Program”. Parents must give permission for the child to participate in the program. Children learn response skills that are age-appropriate, in an effort to help prevent them from ever becoming a victim of abuse. Parents are also invited to attend a meeting explaining the info discussed with the children. Please tell McCain and his advisors they are way out of line with this political attack.

Posted by: Virginia | September 10, 2008, 7:33 pm 7:33 pm

It is pretty obvious that most of these posts were written by the same person. Its too bad we can’t have a rational debate about this topic without someone hijacking the comment system.

Posted by: flashkube | September 10, 2008, 7:37 pm 7:37 pm

LETS PUT GOD BACK IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEMS !!! AND GET BACK TO THE WORD OF GOD KJV1611 !! AND PRAY A HEDGE OF PROTECTION AROUND OUR KIDS EVERYDAY OF THERE LIVES AND THEN THE REST WILL FALL IN PLACE !!

Posted by: christian mom | September 10, 2008, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm

another reason to ban public schools altogether. Let the parents pick a curriculum and a computer and teach them either at home or hire someone who is like-minded – what a concept!!! Do away with pubic education (pun intended). All they do is ask for more money and give it to the administrators not the kids.

Posted by: mish | September 10, 2008, 8:15 pm 8:15 pm

Has anyone looked up to see what the proposed syllabus would be? I think everyone would be appalled! I know i would be apalled at the things they would want to teach my 5 yr old daughter who has yet to question anything remotely related to sex or gender differences. I feel as parents my husband and I have done very well with age appropriate sex ed for both our 5 yr old and 8yr old. When are people going to start taking responsibility for their own families and quit expecting the govt to fix, decide and support them in everything they do???

Posted by: Becky | September 10, 2008, 9:10 pm 9:10 pm

First of all,”Christian Mom”,Let’s not put God back into schools,there are people of many different faiths in this country. It is no longer just the freedom to be Catholic or Protestant. Send your child to a faith-based school if that’s how you want your child to be taught.
It is obvious on so many blog entries that people are just ready to jump all over Obama without knowing the true,or whole,story.
Parents could totally opt out,or for parents wanting the kindergarten to teach the children,they would provide teaching those children “inappropriate touching” to protect them from child-predators. Probably in the form of some lame children’s book on the subject.

Posted by: Wesley | September 10, 2008, 9:57 pm 9:57 pm

Apparently there are people who connot process the words they read. If you really think Obama is actually talking about explicit sex ed to 5 year olds then you probably have been picked to run as the republican VP.

Posted by: Tim | September 10, 2008, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm

ABC News should be ashamed of themselves for leading this story with that nonsense.
I urge everyone to at least watch the accompanying video… you can see for yourself how idiotic the ABC staffers are.
It seems they are trying to capture the FauxNews demographic…. intellectually lazy, hateful people begging to be lead.
I will never have anything to do with ABC news EVER again.

Posted by: Andrew | September 10, 2008, 11:57 pm 11:57 pm

in my opinion…i don’t feel there’s anything wrong with teaching young children about sex education…as long as it’s “age appropriate”…to be honest…young children throughout the nation are being exposed to far worse things outside the classroom…it’s a problem that adults need to introduce at an early age…they want to decide and wait to have that “certain talk” or waiting for the educational system to teach their children…but people need to be serious…most children find out about sex way before they’re taught about it…the majority i figure come across it by means of internet…hidden explicit videos found within the house…magazines…even rated R movies seen with parents…or just personal experiences shared amongst friends…sex throughout the nation would not be considered such a taboo & a problem throughout curious adolescent years…if it were introduced to the upcoming future of society at an early age…i’m not saying expose kindergarten students to full blown triple x movies…i’m just agreeing with Obama that it would be better not to lie to our children claiming babies come from storks…but rather from ordinary people such as their own respective mothers…i like to think that ignorance is not only bliss but abundant…and that’s a major problem within our society today ;O

Posted by: Tony | September 11, 2008, 12:35 am 12:35 am

Are you people crazy? Obama voted for a program to protect kids from child molestors and pedophiles by teaching them the difference between inappropriate and appropriate touching. That program was part of a larger bill on sex education.
How can you be opposed to that? Personally I’m a fan of any father that wants to protect his daughters by any means necessary, including legislation. Are Republicans in favor of pedophiles?

Posted by: J Hill | September 11, 2008, 12:53 am 12:53 am

i am not for sex education being taught however in my own state i have seen on the news band leaders have sex with high school students. an elementary kid reporting that their little sibling may have be inappropiately touched. sometimes parents are busy working and providing and just basic knowledge on what is safe and what isn’t needs to be addressed. So i applaud him for caring about making sure students even as youn as 5 are informed. Unfortunately I have had deep talks with my kids when they were at that age even working with their toys. in a city next to me a 5 year old got raped because she didn’t stay in her yard’s fence area. so finally i don’t know how the little girl got kidnapped and then dropped off a few blocks down with blood running down her leg. Now she has no virginity and at 5 had to be taught sex. these situations are not the norm but i can appreciate his heart’s intent.

Posted by: AMC | September 11, 2008, 1:01 am 1:01 am

so most of you guys on here are basically saying that you think its bad for kids to learn how to say no to sexual predators?
If guess if you had a kid get molested by somebody and they didnt know how to say no and they didnt tell you then you would think different about this.
They have already said on the news yesterday that Obama said that the age appropriate level of teaching kindergarten kids about sexual education would be how to say no to sexual predators.
Start getting you information from more than one source before you jump to conclusions and start telling people the wrong thing.

Posted by: What??? | September 11, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm

Demobrats. Republican’ts. Can we all just chill out and READ S.B. 99, the bill McCain’s ad ignorantly takes out of context?
1. The bill updated the Illinois School Code’s sections on sex ed and family life.
2. It expanded the purview of sex ed from 6th grade to Kindergarten because statistics show kids were already sexually active by 6th grade and needed to be reached earlier.
3. The bill specifies sex ed material will be age and developmentally appropriate.
4. The bill expanded sex education beyond abstinence and post pregnancy alternatives to abortion to an actual discussion of STDs and pregnancy prevention.
5. The bill expanded sex education to discuss statutory rape and domestic abuse.
6. It fundamentally taught responsibility and awareness AT AGE APPROPRIATE LEVELS.
Can we just just stop yelling at each other about misinformation and start demanding that the campaigns raise the level of their discourse?
Don’t make things up about Obama, McCain, just tell us what you’re going to do for “comprehensive sex education.” At least Obama took a stand on the issue and you look like a cheap politician for denigrating a man who is trying to serve the children of his state. You’re better than that, McCain. I know that, but please prove it to the rest of the country. Please?
http://modernjackassmag.wordpress.com/2008/09/11/sexy-barack/

Posted by: Modern Jackass | September 11, 2008, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm

I read the Illinois bill in question (SB99) and saw the following under section 27-9.1(a): “Each class or course in comprehensive sex education offered in any of grades K through 12 shall include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread of HIV.”
This seems to say that kindergarteners will be taught about STDs and, therefore, penetration.
Is that age appropriate?

Posted by: Nicholas Kunz | September 11, 2008, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm

This headline is terribly misleading. The text of the story makes it clear that Obama didn’t say that.

Posted by: Bill Simms | September 12, 2008, 11:37 am 11:37 am

I just heard of this proposal today. As a mother of a child in kindergaten,I personally support “age appropriate” sex education to kindergarten students.What Obama is proposing is not explicit sex ed. In know way should a young child be taught about orgasim, birth control, oral sex and so on, but the reality of the world today is that a fairly large number of children are molested and sexually abused. Like Obama said, they should be taught about inappropriate touching. I have had this discussion with my five year old, but some parents do not feel confident or comfortable in doing this. All children should be aware so that if someone does try to take advantage of them in this way, they will not feel ashamed or scared to speak up. Read historical reports of children who were sexually abused, most were all afraid to speak up for fear that they had done something to provoke the abuse. Years ago, sexual abuse on children was hushed, children made to stay in the same homes, schools and churches etc. as their predators. As much as society would like to pretend that our young babies should know nothing about sex, the reality is they must have some knowledge because there are pedophiles out there who pray on their innocence.

Posted by: Rachal | September 12, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm

what kindergardners were being taught was how to protect themselves from being molested. child molestation is not sex any more than rape is. declaring the McCain ad “factually correct” is to raise child molestation to a level it must never be allowed to reach.

Posted by: bob pomeroy | September 12, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm

face palm to all of you. GET IGNORANT.

Posted by: straight hate | September 12, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm

To Say that republicans are okay with pedophiles is ridiculous!! and you should have your mouth washed. WHAT NORMAL adult wants to have any harm done to children? Re: I applaud any father wanting to protect their children from pedophiles… is right. Of course!! WHo wouldn’t? Ok, I am completely for ridding of molesters.
And really, I assume a lot of us have young children… so we’re heated in this discussion. I believe children should be taught by parents so that YOU as the parent can control how much is enough information, K-2 is way too young to be taught what Obama approved … and is not age appropriate. I’ve read it somewhere… will post it soon.
Children have the rest of their lives in this crazy world… why would one want to rob them of their innocent. Control what you think is appropriate, keep your eyes open, and talk to your children everyday. And for those who is all great for Obama (and I don’t doubt his attention)… are you aware that he’s the only senator that voted for early release of sex offenders? Don’t know why he voted that way, i am sure he has his own belief. I obviously am not a believer… of the big O

Posted by: Aurora | September 12, 2008, 11:10 pm 11:10 pm

the sad reality is that there are a significant amount of kids who get sexually abused at young ages-and yes, even when they’re 5 or 6. I personally have known a few. One of the most difficult aspects of the trauma is the level of denial and lack of communication within the family.
Though that’s a terrible worst case scenario, in general, even for normal upbringings, the reality is that many families find it to be a tough subject to handle. My parents never said one word about sex–I learned a lot in junior high health class and, yes, no joke, from pornos.
Some of you well-intentioned folks out there are blowing this way out of proportion- it’s not like such a program takes the place of learning the alphabet. My junior high sex ed in health class was in public school, and it took a week or so if very informative, biological information of the reproductive system, as well as how to put on a condom. It still took me 4 years after that to get enough nerve to even have a girlfriend. Everyone just relax and realize it’s just McCain’s and Carl Rove’s alarmist tactics to deflect the fact they wanna give themselves a tax break, one which, after 6 years, has coincided with a slumping economy.

Posted by: Ed | September 13, 2008, 4:18 am 4:18 am

It is not the government’s job to teach my children what sex is. As a parent of four, I believe that’s my job. Just take a real look at our society today, since schools began teaching sex education in schools, the numbers of teenage pregnancy went up skyrocket. Our children are more sexually active than ever. Once you begin introducing sex education to children, you are also sending them a message that it’s time for them to have sex and that everyone is doing it. Everyone is doing it on TV but that doesn’t mean our children have to do it too. How can a teacher possibly teach a 5 years old child about sex? by showing him or her? This is why there are an increasing number of teachers across the US that molesting students. I’m just wondering if Obama taught his two daughters about having sex at the age of five?

Posted by: Cindy | September 13, 2008, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm

I was molested, very briefly, by a friend of a family friend when I was 6. We were on a family outing to his farm following the death of my grandfather. Had I been told of ‘inappropriate touching’, I might not have waited two years to tell my mother.

Posted by: Liberal Repub | September 13, 2008, 10:09 pm 10:09 pm

I’m no prude, but reality is as reality does..
To MISSSHOOTER AND THE REST – 50 YEARS AGO, KIDS WERE LIED TO ABOUT SEX, OR TAUGHT IT BY SIBLINGS, OR PARENTS..
THERE WAS NO CULTURALLY BLATENT SLUTTY BEHAVIOR SO POPULAR, AND GLAMOURIZED AS IS NOW…
SINCE THE SEVENTIES, GUESS WHAT HAS HAPPENED..?
LOOK AT ALL THE STATS MORONS..
TEEN DEGENERATES, ADDICTS, TEEN NYPHS ALL OVER THE WEB – IF YOU LIBS THINK YOU HAVE BEEN HELPFUL IN THE AREAS OF A RESPECTABLE HANDLING OF SEX IN AMERICAN CULTURE YOU REALLY ARE THE ULTIMATE IN HUMAN DEVOLUTION..
TOTAL BACKFIRE..
TOTATALLY OBVIOUS..
TWO THINGS – YOU ARE EITHER VERY INADEQUATE IN THE USE OF WHAT GRAY MATTER YOU HAVE..
OR, YOU NEED TO SEE A SHRINK AS TO WHY YOU’RE DENIAL, AND EMOTIONAL ISSUES WILL NOT LET YOU SEED OPEN REALITY ON THE GROUND, THE OBVIOUS IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE..
WEAK HUMAN DEBRI IN EITHER CASE COMPARED TO ME..
OTM

Posted by: JohnDC | September 14, 2008, 10:43 pm 10:43 pm

That make sense….. let’s have our unionized teachers butt in on the wonders of childhood and clumsily lay-out the basics of human sexuality to kindergartners…..Why don’t we also go ahead and give them an age appropriate class on “Understanding the Nature of Evil”?

Posted by: Meatpause | September 15, 2008, 1:11 am 1:11 am

Instead of knee jerk reactions why don’t you go out and find out the real facts. Instead people hear sound bites taken out of context and declare Obama the anti-christ. This isn’t about teaching kids to have sex for crying out loud.
Do yourself a favor, stop listening to the campaign ads, stop taking fox news, cnn and the mainstream media as the be all end all truth.
All they do is further inflame people’s emotions which is exactly how both campaigns want it. They float out these “talking-points” because they don’t want people voting on issues, they want people voting on the most popular kid in school. These elections have been denigrated to a student council election on a national scale.
The government is supposed to be for the people, by the people. That means voting is much more than going out one day a year and pushing a button or pulling a lever. Do yourself and everyone else a favor and get informed and educated, god forbid you stop watching american idol for 10 minutes.
(waiting for some hillbilly redneck to tell me to “love it or leave it”)

Posted by: bpbill | September 15, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am

This is nothing new for the democrats Barry got his idea from Jocelyn Elders (Clinton’s Surgeon General) who advocated masterbation be taught in schools and was fired. Barry must have learned well.

Posted by: jasb | September 15, 2008, 10:19 am 10:19 am

level for everyone who keeps saying “remember he said ‘age-appropriate’ sexual education for kindergartners “, let’s also remember that either he can’t or won’t articulate what that means.Just as he can’t or won’t articulate what ‘change you can believe in’ means. Sexual education is not biology. sexual education is about sex not about how the body functions. and I don’t know about you but I don’t recall it asking too many questions about sex to my kindergarten teacher. I do remember a lot of coloring and playing a nap time. I also remember knowing the difference between a boy and girl before I was five. and has maintained in some of the polls this is what they’re talking about explaining the biological differences between a boy and a girl, then the problem is already solved because again, by five years old we know the difference, end of liberals don’t, then maybe it’s time for adult biological education. Just another symptom of the mental illness that plagues those who think that they can raise our children and ourselves, but when you teaching children that they are nothing but animals in the animals do nothing but reproduce and survive, of course you would think teaching five year olds about sex should be the top priority of Mankind. When you live under the delusion that man is a measure of all things and therefore if you’re smarter, more talented, more educated, have more money, and therefore have a bigger stake in a bitter world and then everyone else, you can almost see how the psychosis, the narcissism, the arrogance, the intellectual elitism, developed and why they can’t comprehend where those who say man is not the measurable things, there is a standard of truth by which meant actions are compared, a perfect standard of right and wrong are coming from. They can call the right wing, Christian conservative. They can call me intolerate. the they can call me a former lifelong liberal democrat who’s now a strong conservative Republican They could also call the poor black female and oppressed, I will never vote for anyone who doesn’t know that kindergarten is not the place for indoctrinating children to be a good sexually active nonproductive citizens of this new liberal nation no matter who he is.

Posted by: Tamara | September 16, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm

Oh and by the way, the answer to the question “what if a five year old acid teacher where babies come from?” is “That is a question for home. Ask your mommy or daddy.” May be they should include, “School is to teach you how to read and write and function with other people.” Oh no, that’s something every five year old knows. Perhaps it’s the politicians that need reminding…

Posted by: Tamara | September 16, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm

sorry for typos, using voice recognition to type…

Posted by: Tamara | September 16, 2008, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm

It is alleged by the Messiah that Senator McCain may not know the intricacies of the internet, but boy how easy it becomes to find his lies and deception through the internet. He must wish his Pal Gore never invented the internet.
I wonder if those two girls are his or Jesse Jackson’s? Michelle used to baby sit Jackson’s kids :)
CNN = the Crooked kNeeger’s Network

Posted by: oSama BiNLAden | September 16, 2008, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm

“Age Appropriate”? Appropriate according to who? No doubt that Obama and his army of elitist advisors think that most American parents are too stupid to make that decision for their families.
I pray America wakes up and sends Obama and all the rest of the self-righteous scolds away to get a real job.

Posted by: StayAwayFromMyKid | September 17, 2008, 12:07 am 12:07 am

Of course I don’t advocate explicit, teenage-appropriate sex education for kindergartners, but I believe some type of education is appropriate, given the obviously escalating problem in this country of child pornography and pedophilia. Children need to be taught about male and female body parts, using the correct anatomical terms so as to add seriousness to the subject, and they need to be taught the difference between “good and bad touches”. There is nothing wrong with kindergartners knowing that babies come from their mother’s bodies, rather than from a stork, and are the result of the love between their parents. There is also nothing wrong with their knowing that all members of the animal, bird and fish kingdoms are made up of males and females, and that sex is God’s (or nature’s) way of continuing all species and that sex and our bodies are to be respected.

Posted by: Linda Brooks | September 17, 2008, 8:38 am 8:38 am

Why is it so important that children have this much information in Kindergarten? 8-9 is a reasonable age to broach the subject. Why 5-6?

Posted by: Martin Knight | September 17, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am

Why do we need the goverment to tell us when to teach our kids about sex. What’s next are they going to take our children away if we don’t teach them to read soon enough. HEY Barack, I don’t need your help with this. My Wife and I will take care of it. Move on to something that I can’t control like gas prices or the god awful economy!

Posted by: alan | September 17, 2008, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm

Sex ed is good but too early is bad. Having any Government agency decide when is the right time is nonsense.

Posted by: The Epicure | September 17, 2008, 9:01 pm 9:01 pm

Am i the only one who thinks that knowledge is power in this situation?
I think the adolescent who has been encouraged to think about seriously and realistically about sex from an early age would be more able to understand his/herself when the hormones kick in.
If a parent can teach his/her children to understand the potential impact of sex on their child and their child’s potential partners, great. They can opt out of this education. But some children aren’t so lucky, and they deserve access to the information necessary to make good choices.

Posted by: kristen | September 18, 2008, 12:21 am 12:21 am

Here it is:
Bill 109
In the Illinois State Legislature, Barack Obama voted for legislation to alter Illinois’ Sex Education standards to include instruction in any grade from Kindergarten through 12th grade.The legislation passed Barack Obama’s Illinois Senate Health and Human Services Committee that he chaired. As the Chicago Daily Herald stated, “the legislation included a provision to allow students from kindergarten through fifth grade to be added to the middle and high school students receiving sex education.”
Despite the Obama campaign’s claims, this bill was intended to provide children as young as Kindergarten with sex education. According to the legislation itself, “Each class or course in comprehensive sex education offered in any of grades K through 12 shall include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread of HIV.” This legislation stated expressly that children in grade 12 were to be education about sexually transmitted diseases.

Posted by: Sara Evans | September 18, 2008, 12:39 am 12:39 am

This subject should be handled by the parents not by the teacher, period. What human being do you know that can be completely neutral when it comes to any subject? What person do you know that is completely capable of discussing these types of topics, sex, religion, creation, abortion or politics without adding their own beliefs no matter how small? The answer is “NONE”, not one, not even ourselves! So unless you want other people, who may not agree with your views or beliefs, teaching your children about these extremely important values and promoting their beliefs in the process, you better demand that they leave these issues to us parents. Now if they want to share their feelings about Math, English, Reading, Shop, Gym, and maybe a couple other neutral subjects then by all means go ahead, but the moral, ethical and sacred ones they need to leave alone.

Posted by: Michael E. Dixon | September 20, 2008, 12:03 am 12:03 am

I am a survivor of childhood sexual abuse. Dateline does a great thing, however that is only protecting the children from predators on the internet. The most common predator is in thier homes, in thier families. If someone would have told me that what was happening was wrong, I would have told. I think 20 years ago we wouldn’t dream of telling children about drugs, now in kindergarden they have “Just Say No”. Let’s catch up with the times and protect the next generation of children

Posted by: Amanda | September 20, 2008, 9:09 pm 9:09 pm

Tamara what an awesome comment!!! I think this sex ed is something that should be discussed at home. Tell the children to ask their parents. I am was sexually abused as a child, I am healed from that horrible terror. I have spoken to all my children about “good touch, bad touch and caution” It is MY responsibility as a parent to protect my children from the SICK people who are out there or near our family. MY RESPONSIBILITY not their teachers. I would NOT want one of my children’s teachers discussing that intimate information with my children period.

Posted by: cj | September 22, 2008, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm

Its so weird how so many commenters didn’t even read the article. Obama has/had no intention of teaching kindergarteners about sexual intercourse. Sex education is a broad subject, ranging from “where do babies come from”, to “don’t let an adult touch you in the private area”… Obama was clear, the education should be “age appropriate”.
But I guess this is a sensitive subject, so we should expect republicans to take full advantage of this opportunity to knock Obama.

Posted by: dag | September 23, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm

I am an undergraduate college student so this isn’t THAT far in my past yet. When I was in Kindergarden, we did talk about things like not talking to strangers and that if you felt uncomfortable with how someone was touching you to talk to an adult. Kindergardeners know what private parts are and how they shouldn’t be touched, but I don’t think they should be told anything more than that. A scientific explanation of the differences between boys and girls should definitely be left for later on, and it is this science-based explanation that I believe Obama is implying. I got the anatomical explanation at school in 5th grade and that was just fine. Then I went to a Catholic school with no sex-ed and had parents who didn’t talk about sex AT ALL and I still went to college with just as much pertinent sex knowledge as my public school sex-ed-ed friends. I know that condoms are important AND that the only sure-fire way to not get pregnant is to not have sex. Kids aren’t stupid. They find things out from each other and television and the media, all of which are more than happy to tell our kids (mine being future) about sex. I think we really need to ask ourselves, how early do we want our kids thinking about sex? Isn’t that going to make them a little too curious earlier?

Posted by: BG | September 26, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm

Let’s be specific: the guidelines of the legislation (in the event anyone bothered to read them) cover topics such as masturbation, homosexuality, and sexually transmitted diseases. The guidelines go into great depth about “private parts” only to mention in passing when it is appropriate for others to touch them.
If in the next few years nap time looks like a Roman orgy, you’ll know why.

Posted by: Steve | September 27, 2008, 6:38 am 6:38 am

Let’s be specific: the guidelines of the legislation (in the event anyone bothered to read them) cover topics such as masturbation, homosexuality, and sexually transmitted diseases. The guidelines go into great depth about “private parts” only to mention in passing when it is appropriate for others to touch them.
If in the next few years nap time looks like a Roman orgy, you’ll know why.

Posted by: Steve | September 27, 2008, 6:38 am 6:38 am

sex education to kindergarteners may sound crazy, but what if they are molested and they think that it is normal because they arent taught what is right from wrong? sex education for kindergarteners may not sound that crazy after all

Posted by: rr | October 1, 2008, 9:51 pm 9:51 pm

If you don’t think humans are sexual beings from the time we are born, then you are either naive or worse… the puritanical ass-backward belief that contributes to USA’s thriving porn industry. Don’t talk about it! Don’t teach it! Kids don’t need to know this! Keep it all under wraps so that it festers and comes out all f***d up!
The proper term is sexuality education and sexuality is so much more than sex. Debra Haffner, an amazing woman, minister, and certified expert on all things sexual, has written some great books about how to start teaching your children about sexuality from the time they are born in AGE-APPROPRIATE ways! Look up that phrase if you don’t know what it means.
Leaving it to parents will not always work as several here have pointed out. What if your parents are MIA? Or worse, what if one of your parents has molested you and then you perpetuate the behavior on someone else?
A friend of mine recently encountered a situation with her four year old son in which he told her at bedtime recently that two older boys in his preschool class pulled down his pants and touched him and then wanted him to do the same to them. Because this friend has had many AGE APPROPRIATE conversations with her son about his private parts being his private parts and nobody should touch them, he TOLD HIS MOTHER THAT NIGHT and she comforted and reassured him that he did nothing wrong (victim guilt is so prevalent in these situations) and took action with the school. I wonder if the other boys parents think, Oh kids don’t need to know this stuff!
Learn the statistics about how many children will be molested by the time they reach 18, and if you want to know why, all you have to do is read the ignorance throughout these postings.
Mom of two responsible teens

Posted by: LCM | October 3, 2008, 8:17 am 8:17 am

Psychiatrists refer to the “latency” period that children go through that roughly lasts from about age 5-the beginning of puberty in the individual child. During this time, the child is not interested in sexual matters but rather in general learning and is maturing in general knowledge and how to think. Psychiatrists say that sex education during this period is actually very detrimental to the development of the child. Why would any person who cares about children bombard them with 12 years of sexual information? Sex educators have much to gain – money from the sale of all their curricular materials, especially since sex ed is basically a national situation.

Posted by: mps | October 5, 2008, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm

Here, have some clarity straight from the horses mouth, so to speak.
“We have a existing law that mandates sex education in the schools. We want to make sure that it’s medically accurate and age-appropriate.
Now, I’ll give you an example, because I have a six-year-old daughter and a three-year-old daughter, and one of the things my wife and I talked to our daughter about is the possibility of somebody touching them inappropriately, and what that might mean.
And that was included specifically in the law, so that kindergarteners are able to exercise some possible protection against abuse, because I have family members as well as friends who suffered abuse at that age. So, that’s the kind of stuff that I was talking about in that piece of legislation.”

Posted by: Clarity | October 6, 2008, 11:49 am 11:49 am

who is the author of this web page?

Posted by: Holly | October 13, 2008, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm

this is just crazy

Posted by: glamit | October 22, 2008, 9:28 am 9:28 am

For a pre-Halloween scare, Google “Obama Supports Public Depravity.” (This happens all the time in Nancy Pelosi’s district, and the SF cops are told by the SF mayor to not arrest anyone exercising the kinky “rights” Obama approves of which are flaunted by naked homos in public in front of little kids!) After recovering, Yahoo “God to Same-Sexers: Hurry Up” and “Dangerous Radicals of the Religious Right.” Ross

Posted by: Ross | October 24, 2008, 11:03 pm 11:03 pm

Do you people understand the words “age-appropriate”? How about “opt-out”?
The ‘word of God’ has no place in school. Read the Constitution, remember one of the main beliefs this country was founded on. Religious freedom. If you don’t like it, you can leave this country.
Frankly, they should teach every (or at least the most common ones) religion in school, along with a purely scientific part. It’s all just theory anyway, teach it all and let kids decide for themselves. It would make them more adjusted and give them more freedom. Otherwise, religion has no place in school.
Back on topic, this is a great idea. ‘Sam’ said it best, “Babies come from mommy’s tummy” will satisfy any five-year-olds curiosity.

Posted by: Tim | October 27, 2008, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm

~”It’s the parents’ job, it’s the parents’ job” parrot the right wing.
What if, like me, you had drunks for parents? I hate to break it to you, but SOMEBODY had to teach me what went where, how it went there, and when it went there. Guess who it was?
Not mom and dad.~~Brian
Brian, I don’t think that a five year old needs to know “What goes where, how it went there, and when it went there.” They are five or six years old, not Twenty-two year olds who don’t know what sex is. I think the appropriate age to learn about sex is around 14. I don’t want to hear about how some 5 year old, who “oddly knows how to have sex,” got a girl pregnant or something.
It’s just not right for little kids that can barely spell, to know how to have sex. I’m not directing this at Barrack Obama’s statement, only Brian’s. But even if it is age appropriate, I doubt they’d just say “Baby comes from Mommy’s stomach, The End.” They should just leave it alone until they are even old enough to understand logic and right from wrong. Not “Stick goes in, baby comes out.” at the age of 5.

Posted by: Just_Me | November 4, 2008, 11:01 am 11:01 am

and this man won the election. so much for our morals and values, but hey! maybe money issues will improve!! go america!!!
u voted for him, not me.

Posted by: blu | November 12, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm

You know, when I heard this I was appaled, but then I went into the kindergarten classes and saw how they behaved when I was teaching. Touching eachother untder the tables and holding hands at the reading circle. Kids are learning younger and younger what the differences between them are. By “age-appropriate” I hope that the President Elect means learning the difference between a “good touch” and a “bad touch” THAT I could totally get behind. There are perverts out there that want to get their hands on these kids, and if they don’t know how to articulate what happened, how do you plan to stop it?
And Just_Me, you’re right, I did vote for him.

Posted by: Tocxica | December 12, 2008, 9:06 am 9:06 am

My bad, sorry Just, I meant Blu and was reading your message at the same time.

Posted by: Tocxica | December 12, 2008, 9:08 am 9:08 am

i think it is a good idea. being a teenager, people at my school have totally terrible ideas about sex. they think its nasty, they crack really stupid jokes on the matter, and if you discuss it in any way you are sick minded. i think having sex ed early can prevent this

Posted by: nntndoe | December 27, 2008, 8:14 am 8:14 am

One thing I can say is this shocks me. How can sex education for such kids can be such a good idea. No, I’m not saying sex education is not good but at that age, NO kid is ready for information such as this. It’s not a simple subject, but quite complex and maybe even emotional. It requires older children with more maturity and understanding. It’s as simple as that. It would be too much of a shock for them. Their minds are not ready for that.
Lastly, I’m not too impressed w/ our President at the moment, and not just for this reason.

Posted by: Scottie | March 30, 2009, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm

I liked when “paul” said “This man will NEVER be president. He is very disturbed. Liberalism is a MENTAL DISORDER!!!” I like it because a couple years later, he DID become president!! :)

Posted by: Liberalist | November 2, 2009, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm

are you kidding me? young sex education should be explained and taught be the parent of that child(ren). Sex education in school it should be taught in high school not kindergarten. That is just crazy. Yeah okay you in form children about it, did you ever think that they will still go out and have sex no matter how early you tell them and inform them of sex. Age 5 is to young. Just for that I am home schooling my children. I no longer trust schools or the government. I don’t want my children learning about sex from a teacher that is still a stranger in many ways. Its just not right for children to be taught something like that so young and not by there parent. i think the parent should have a choice when there child(ren) is taught sex in school. do us parents/guardians have a say anymore?

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