Aug 5, 2007 9:45am

FACT CHECK

FACT CHECK:

Is Giuliani Exaggerating His Record on Adoptions?

Tahman Bradley, ABC News Political Unit

In the opening minutes of our debate, Rudy Giuliani said he believes the best way to achieve common ground and reduce abortions is to increase the number of adoptions as he did when he was mayor of New York.

Giuliani may have put a special emphasis on increasing adoptions during his 8 years as mayor, but he may not have been all that successful.

A review of an official New York City document conducted by Factcheck.org looking at adoptions over a ten-year span shows that although Giuliani increased adoptions at a rate higher than his predecessor David Dinkins, adoptions under Giuliani declined five out of the last six years he was in office. Perhaps the former mayor is overstating his accomplishments just a bit. Depends on how you look at it. 

See for yourself HERE:

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HERE.

FACT CHECK:

Mitt Romney and Taxpayer Funding for Abortion

Tahman Bradley, ABC News Political Unit

In the opening of our debate, there was a heated exchange between Mitt Romney and Sam Brownback over phone calls Brownback’s campaign has been making to Iowa voters alleging that Romney while governor of Massachusetts pledged to support and uphold pro-abortion policies including taxpayer funding for abortions.

When asked to respond to the charges, Romney said virtually nothing in the Brownback ad was true.

"The idea that I’ve been in favor of taxpayer funding of abortion is wrong. I oppose taxpayer funding of abortion, " said Romney.

But according to an article published by the Boston Globe dated March 25, 2005, a spokesperson for Planned Parenthood indicates that Romney said he "professed support for state funding of abortion services for low-income women" when answering a Planned Parenthood questionnaire.

Read the Boston Globe article HERE:

User Comments

The debate today I notice has a long delay of asking Ron Paul anything at all. We find the coverage of this debate to be very biased without giving equal time to all the candidates. I am sorry you feel that Dr. Paul doesn’t have the chance to fit your bill of credibility. AND STOP CUTTING DR. PAUL OFF BEFORE HE FINISHES HIS TALKING. HE IS THE ONLY ONE YOU HAVE DONE THAT TO CONSISTANTLY.

Posted by: Kenneth Bowman | August 5, 2007, 10:07 am 10:07 am

Rudy is as pro-choice as it gets

Posted by: Rudy4Prez | August 5, 2007, 10:24 am 10:24 am

As always, the candidates did a very good job in displaying their direction and consultation. However, typical liberal media hosts cause the Republican candidates to have to answer from a slanted position majority of the time. When they make liberal remarks, there should be no recourse from the hosts whatsoever. This is a true sign that the hosts are liberal. Good job to all and it is a run between Thompson, Rudy, and Romney.

Posted by: B Reed | August 5, 2007, 10:46 am 10:46 am

As a registered democrat I find it releiving to hear 8 presidential candidates who realize the challanges we as citizens and as a nation are facing. Sorry Ron Paul.

Posted by: mac | August 5, 2007, 10:57 am 10:57 am

As a registered independent, and someone who knows the truth of the corrupt control infested at the highest levels of both major “parties”, and the truth that almost all candidates are willingly beholden to those financial interests who exert said control, I am thankful and proud to know that there is one candidate who supports the truth, and who won’t deflect/obfuscate with lies and BS about the fake “global war on terror” and what is REALLY going on in Iraq. Sorry to all the other candidates up there, including Fred Thompson who is not. Thank you from the bottom of my heart to the honorable Ron Paul, a true Statesman and hero, and one of the last true defenders of Constitutional principles of Liberty and Justice.

Posted by: mark | August 5, 2007, 11:22 am 11:22 am

I am sure everybody appreciates how the 9 candidates recieved ‘equal time’ and were allowed to respond to each question. I suddenly remember why I do not believe what the media says or does. Ron Paul could galvanize this country, if he was allowed to participate that is…

Posted by: Shawn | August 5, 2007, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm

As a Democrat, I’m not surprised at the blatant inaccuracies spouted by nearly ALL of the candidates-whith the one exception being Ron Paul. Fortunately Americans are smart enough to see through the usual “framing” tactics employed by the other candidates.

Posted by: Victor Demise | August 5, 2007, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm

I like what Mike Huckabee stated in his debate on how to handle the Iraq fiasco concerning their government – we need to focus on rebuilding the United States – we need to focus on making the United States the government that everyone envies. The United States was formed to be independent of the English government. We cannot expect other countries, like Iraq, that are in turmoil to follow our leadership when our own country and government turns its back on its own people. We have a huge percentage of people out of jobs, needing healthcare that is affordable, not state insurance. We also have a huge percentage of our children who are illiterate – they are no longer taught what to expect in life, how to hold a job, what it means to be a free nation; they are instead taught how to pass a test that only benefits the schools not the children.

Posted by: Cynthia Vanlandingham | August 5, 2007, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm

Ron Paul’s comment about now trading with Vietnam because we left in 1975 totally misses the point. The Jihadists and other militant Islamists are against Western Civilization and modernity, not just Capitalism. If we left Iraq without finishing the job, it would just confirm Osama bin Laden’s theory that we are a paper tiger and harden their resolve to resurrect and expand their caliphate. And you can bet that any trading with a Jihadist Iraq would not start anytime soon.

Posted by: Jim Libbe | August 5, 2007, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm

So we know Ron Paul’s view on the war. That’s it. Thank you, ABC, for giving ALL candidates equal time. *insert sarcasm* Healthcare? Taxes? Infrastructure repair? Possibility of nuclear war? Not one single time did Dr. Paul get the opportunity to respond to any of the above while other candidates got to put themselves on the pedestal. I’m infuriated at the lack of UNBIASED coverage. Don’t like what Dr. Paul says? Fine. Not up to the media to decide for us. Let him talk and let it be fair. Let the PEOPLE decide if they want to dismiss him. Not the media. I can’t believe the disrespect given to this honorable man who has served TEN terms as a legislator as well as 5 years in our armed services. Shame on you.

Posted by: Sherry | August 5, 2007, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm

What does “jihadist” Iraq mean? We wouldn’t trade with them? wtf? Can anyone think of any radical and/or militant states that we trade with, ’cause I can only think of about 30…
Oil doesn’t do you much good, whether you’re a democratic govt or a “jihadist” one, unless you can *sell it to someone.

Posted by: Matt C | August 5, 2007, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm

Why didn’t you let the only Dr. on the stage weigh in on the question about health care?
This is the second time this has happened in a debate. (The other was in SC on a different network.) Also, I see that Ron Paul is winning the online debate here, as well (despite the fact that the poll was reset part way through.
Proving yet again, that Dr. Paul is #1 with people who get to hear his message.

Posted by: Kevin Houston | August 5, 2007, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm

Paul was WRONG on the war he seems out of touch with the war at hand.Thompson made a great point- Ihope the democrats really heard when he talked of sending our soldiers in with one arm tied behind their backs HOW TRUE, I iked a lot of what Romney says but -he’s just too smooth, is he honest? I want to hear more from Hunter, Huckabee and Tomacero-Idon’t have their names spelled correct but I hope to know them better-I like what they say about the war -our soldiers -and our southern boarder.I hope to get a better understanding of the tax solutions they discussed too.Too bad the media distorts most the info -it is confusing enough with out their bias representaion.

Posted by: Patricia | August 5, 2007, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm

hi Patricia, you’re a bit off base in what you say about Paul. the factual record shows that he has blamed the american government’s foreign policy, which (a) 70-80% of americans also are at odds with the same foreign policy (therefore, he is actually in step with the war situation and the people here, i think you’re a bit out of step – which is fine – you are an American and absolutely entitled to your views and opinions, and I respect that as your Constitutional right, but please don’t confuse that by skewing facts ), and (b) Paul’s statements on the war has been backed up as factually accurate by one Michael Scheuer, the senior intelligence analyst (22 year career) who created and advised a secret CIA unit for tracking and eliminating bin Laden since 1996. Paul’s statements are also derived from a factual historical record of what is known as “blowback”. Read Kinzer’s book “All the Shah’s Men” as just one example of this.

Posted by: Jonathan | August 5, 2007, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm

noooo one was asked about the outrageous prices we pay for fuel which are higher than they should be because of the political and religious problems of the Middle East. Nobody except Huckabee, who did say we were too dependent on the region for our petroleum needs. Next time the political candidates of either party meets to debate, the issue of our dependence on oil imports from the Persian/Arabian Gulf Countries who are all members of the price-fixing Oil Cartel called OPEC. OPEC was formed in the 1970′s and the US Gov’t has done nothing to end their price-fixing activities.

Posted by: Thomss | August 5, 2007, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm

Impression of ABC’s Republican “Debate/Presidential Auditions” Sunday: “..and cut, print, let’s go to commercial!” Conclusion: “Blah, more blah, bland blah, blah!”
Debate? What debate? You mean the nationally televised, commercially interrupted [though it all felt like one very long commercial], scripted Q & A Session I just watched? It was if ABC had put out a “casting call” and these actors showed up, and asked poor George S. to make the best of it he could.
Note to Romney (definitely a Spielbergesque shoo-in for a small wooden Indian Presidential role): Handed the same inherited choices, I’d sooner trust a Willard than a Mitt, even if my mother’s name was Catchers, and since you’re first concern is image, maybe you should change that, too.
Are there nine Republicans because there are nine Democrats? Good strategy, if anyone says a sound bite worth remembering, you can’t remember which one said it, and if it polls well, can take credit for it without any ripples of conscience.
My head shaking thought is–here we go AGAIN down this same old tired totally unreasoned path to still more wars being fought for all the wrong reasons and more bridges between us collapsing in the middle. I don’t know anymore now about these candidates/roleplaying-hopefuls than I did several hours ago. And if we just keep on truckin’ to keep on truckin’, I’m not likely to know anymore come election day. Maybe that’s the way THEY want it, but I sure don’t.
Why can’t we get these guys to really debate each with the other, two at a time, one on one, with up to 5 minutes (no interruptions)of continuous answer time on national TV? Even if it’s run at two in the morning, it’s got to be more important than Texas Hold ‘Em. Don’t tell me none of them has enough to say to fill up five minutes, even if they persist in giving the same answer to all the different questions as they do now, that much for us is at least learning something we need to know.
I don’t want to learn they have a speech impediment or a thinking impediment AFTER they are elected as was the case with Bush.
And ABC, I know there are rules written somewhere about what you present being fair to all the candidates, OK, necessary, but nine at once? And what about being fair to us out here? If the objective is to serve the viewer with a better understanding of where the candidates are on the issues that concern us, and how each one’s individual thinking process, along the documented facts they considered, has brought them to their individual conclusions, no one’s done that yet. I know the messes we’re in, and we are in for more, I want to know how the next President is going to respond, what and who will be considered to resolve these yet unseen dilemmas, what is the advocated planning process? Prayer in some form is universal, I don’t expect my President just to hope and pray for the answers. God may move in mysterious ways, but I need to know how the person I’m voting for gets from Point A to Point B.

Posted by: Dee | August 5, 2007, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm

I cannot wait until the “mainstream media” is something children learn about in history books. Specifically, how they help define and limit the debates to keep corporate interests above the peoples interest.
Thanks God for the internet – slicing right through that power structure.
Go Ron Paul!!!!

Posted by: Jim | August 5, 2007, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm

A vote for a Pro-War candidate in the primaries is a vote FOR Hillary. Hillary is own her knees BEGGING you to nominate a Pro-War Candidate. Once one is picked out, she can start measuring for drapes at the Whitehouse! I NEVER thought I’d see the day that Republicans put Hillary in power, but it’s drawing closer!

Posted by: Deet | August 5, 2007, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm

GEORGE:
GREAT DEBATE AMONGST ALL RHE CANDIDATES! BUT WAIT, 90 MINUTES OF PROGAMMING AND ONLY 11 MINUTES COMMERCIAL BREAKS, WHAT, SOMETHING WRONG AT ABC ?
DEBATE: 10:00 TO 10:55 CST.
COMMERCIAL 10:55 TO 11:OO CST.
DEBATE : 11:00 TO 11:24 CST.
COMMERCIAL 11:24 TO 11:30 CST.
ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE TELEVISION !
SOMETHING THAT HAS NOT BEEN SEEN FOR A LONG, LONG TIME !
GEORGE, HAVE YOU AND YOUR BIG SHOT CRONIES FINALLY COME TO YOUR SENSES,AND REALIZED THAT ALL THESE 9 AND 10 MINUTE SEGMENTS ARE JUST ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS.
YOU CAN NEVER FINISH A TRAIN OF THOUGHT WITH YOUR GUESTS.
YES, OF COURSE THE BILLS NEED TO BE PAID AND YOU GUYS NEED TO HAVE YOUR COMMERCIALS, MAYBE RENAMED ” HUGE PROFIT BREAKS ”
IN YOUR NORMAL SUNDAY THIS WEEK PROGRAM YOU HAVE THESE CONSTANT AGGRAVATING, ANNOYING PROFIT BREAKS,WHERE YOU ONLY HAVE 44 MINUTES OF ACTUAL PROGAMMING AT THE MOST, IF ANY.
BY THE THE WAY, YOUR USUAL HYPE OF THIS WEEK’S VOICES SEGMENT, CAN BE A LITTLE LONGER THAN JUST 30 SECONDS TO MAKE IT MORE INTERESTING. MAYBE IN THE FUTURE YOU CAN MAKE IT AT LEAST 2 MINUTES IF YOU AND THE POWERS TO BE CAN SPARE THAT.
MAYBE WITH THIS INTERESTING EXPERIMENT TODAY YOU CAN SUGGEST TO THE POWERS TO BE IN THEIR IVORY CASTLE IN THE BIG APPLE TO KEEP ALL YOUR SO-CALLED PROFIT BREAKS AT THE END OF YOUR THIS WEEK PROGRAM RIGHT AFTER THE FUNNIES.
I’M SURE I SPEAK FOR MANY TV WATCHERS OUT THERE IN TV LAND WHO WILL AGREE WITH ME ON THIS ANNOYING SUBJECT.
THIS IS JUST MY OBSERVATION TODAY WITH A WELL ORGANIZED AND INFORMATIVE DEBATE BY ALL THE CANDIDATES AND YOU AS THE USUAL INTERRUPTING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SENTENCES MODERATOR.
YOU HAVE A KNACK GEORGE, JUST TO INTERRUPT A CANDIDATE AT THE MOST CRUCIAL AND INTERESTING PART OF HIS RESPONSE AND NOT TO LET THEM FINISH, AND THEN GO ON TO A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ISSUE ALTOGETHER.
SHAME ON YOU GEORGE, IF YOU DO NOT CORRECT THIS ANNOYING TACTIC, BUT….. THAT MUST BE A TELEVISION TACTIC, BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE IN THE INTERVIEWING TV BUSINESS DOES IT ALSO, IN ADDITION TO CUTTING PEOPLE OFF IN THE MIDDLE OF AN INTERSTING CONVERSATION LIKE YOUR ESTEEMED COLLEAGUE ELIZABETH “QUICKLY NOW” VARGAS.
I’VE WATCHED YOUR PROGRAM NOW PRETTY MUCH EACH WEEK, EVER SINCE YOU TOOK OVER FROM COKIE AND SAM, THAT IS TO SAY IF I AM HOME, AND I AM CONSTANTLY AMAZED !
AND I WILL CONTINUE TO KEEP WATCHING, BUT PLEASE INSTITUTE SOME CHANGES ! WHICH WILL BE WELL RECEIVED BY ALL AND THE MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC I THINK.
HAVE A PROFITABLE WEEK.

Posted by: E. Kuyn | August 5, 2007, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm

Why doesn’t ABC News post the complete debate video on-line? Instead, we get your editor’s favorite half-dozen snippets.
You’re supposed to *inform*, not edit and parse political news.

Posted by: Westmiller | August 5, 2007, 5:53 pm 5:53 pm

Unfair and Unbalanced – It doesn’t matter, many of us are already awake and can smell the “BALONEY” frying. Ron Paul seems to be the only candidate who understands that the United States was founded as a constitutional republic, not a democracy. This country is supposed to be founded on the rule of law with the United States Constitution being the Supreme Law of the Land. But Congress and the Executive branch have been playing footsie with each other for so long that the system of checks and balances the Founders strove to insure has been decimated. Whatever happened to the oath to “preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States”?

Posted by: Edie Morrison | August 5, 2007, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm

How about a fact check for Giuliani saying he supports the Second Amendment, when he took actions in NY to restrict gun ownership, and is on the record for saying that cities and states should make their own laws on guns?
Could a candidate say he supports the First Amendment, when he had a record of shutting down newspapers, or is on the record for saying that cities and states could eliminate freedom of the press?

Posted by: Doug D | August 5, 2007, 10:44 pm 10:44 pm

ABC News is running a story on this website that claims that Mitt somebody has pulled ahead of his rivals. Yet when I check the total to this minute, RON PAUL has SIX times as many votes as Mitt Romney. It’s so obvious that ABC News is trying to brainwash the American public into ignoring this FIRST TIER candidate. How can the American public ever trust any of the main stream media after this happening in all the debates so far this year? Ron Paul was voted the winner in two of the past three debates, and came in second in the third debate. This is the time to put out the truth in large headlines that RON PAUL won the on-line poll and is now America’s favorite Republican presidental canidate!

Posted by: Don Glenn | August 5, 2007, 11:26 pm 11:26 pm

Cut George Stephanopoulos some slack guys – he’s only doing what his masters at the Council on Foreign Relations order him to do…
It’s time to face the facts, the MSM is in cahoots with the Republican establishment – truth be damned.
“Those who tell the stories rule society.”
– Plato

Posted by: Soldaten | August 6, 2007, 12:08 am 12:08 am

Look, I agree that Ron Paul would be a good candidate if he got some face time, though I am a Mitt Romney supporter first. However, I think it’s ridiculous to read all these posts insisting that “Ron Paul was voted the winner in two of the past three debates” and that he’s the clear winner.
Learn some basic statistics. This is not a “scientific study”, as the ABC disclaimer points out, and the key reason for this is that there is no way to gauge who is voting. If the only people voting are the large internet-population of Ron Paul supporters, then of COURSE he’s going to win .. ONLINE. That doesn’t mean that the same holds true for those who actually attended the debate (a wider cross-section of “voters”) or all those who viewed the debate on television, but are not rushing to the internet to cast their vote.
If you support Ron Paul, and want him to get face time, start campaigning for him somewhere besides the internet– it’s clear that he’s got plenty of internet support. If you want him to get ahead in this race, he’ll need some real-life support which will get his name out there, and then the MSM will be forced to cover him because the “public” will demand it.
Simple logic, people. It’s just like the straw polls.. just because you can get all your friends to come and vote for you, doesn’t mean that you’re really the top pick across a wider margin of people.

Posted by: Jessica | August 6, 2007, 3:56 am 3:56 am

Since I don’t watch TV any more, I would love to have the unexpurgated “debate” online.
What I’d really like however, is what others have alluded to: Real debate.
Unscripted, and long enough to really start defining the different Candidates personnally. I want this for all Candidates of all parties–and available online.
I want it to be mediated by a real debate coach–you know, one of those people who judge debate teams for events?
It would educate the public as to what a debate actually IS. Plus, it would be fun to watch politicians getting busted for “straw man arguments” and the like.
Remember how you were assigned to debate views opposite to your own? That was to prove that you could do research, and could actually think.
Real debate doesn’t have to be boring. In fact, when the people who are debating are bright and think well on their feet, they are far less boring than what we have now. (Especially if they have a sense of humor, and the moderator is strict on the rules and has a buzzer.)
With an informed audience, it is a hoot; a lot of: “OOs”, “Ahs”, “Busted!”, laughing and carrying on. (It’s like a good tennis match.) Yes, you have to “cherry pick” the audience to eliminate those who are too stupid to appreciate the interaction of ideas, and whose main purpose is to attract attention to themselves. So? Those people are boring witless retards anyway, regardless of which extreme position they take.
It would be a wondrous thing–to return to the debate of ideas, to return to a discussion of the problems–to define them, and to actually discuss the different strategies to solve well-defined problems. Fantasy. I know that. I can dream; can’t I?

Posted by: Eric | August 6, 2007, 11:17 am 11:17 am

Where is the full transcript of the debate? Why isn’t there a prominent link to it on this web page? CNN had the decency to post a full transcript when they hosted the YouTube debate.

Posted by: Mark | August 6, 2007, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm

You call that a fact-check on Romney?
Here’s the text of Brownback’s ad that Romney objected to, as replayed in the debate (in response to Mark, ):
“As late as 2005, Mitt Romney pledged to support and uphold pro- abortion policies and pass taxpayer funding of abortions in Massachusetts.”
From the Boston Globe article you cite as proving the accuracy of the ad:
“On a questionnaire Planned Parenthood gave to the gubernatorial candidates in 2002, Romney answered ”yes” to the question, ”Do you support the substance of the Supreme Court decision in Roe v. Wade?” Romney also professed support for state funding of abortion services for low-income women, Rowland said.”
2002, not 2005. It’s really pretty simple. Candidate Romney (2002): pro-choice. Governor Romney (including 2005): pro-life, but honored his pledge to maintain the status quo (which included opposing every anti-life measure presented to him).
Brownback can call that untimely or opportunistic if he wants, but he shouldn’t be allowed to lie about it, and you shouldn’t be giving him false cover when he does.

Posted by: jim | August 6, 2007, 9:51 pm 9:51 pm

Yes, Eric, my “dream,” too, and one all of us should be pushing to make a reality for the sake of our democracy, and help us restore our form of government to the representative republic the Constitution was designed to function within. I think we are at that crisis point, in this 217-year-old experimental form of government, that George Mason warned his fellow framer’s about, and the experiment can still fail. Not informing or mis-informing the voters, or confusing them to the point they feel utterly powerless is an effort to discourage their participation in their own government. It is a subtle and subversive form of tyranny, and as Mason fought for the inclusion of what we have come to know as the Bill of Rights (the almost simultaneous amending to a Constitution that was much contested and narrowly ratified), you must protect the people’s right to be informed and guard their right to speak out against those who will always seek to impose their advantage of position and power over them. “Live Free or Die” was not just a slogan hurled at King George’s men, but at those in Philadelphia as well.
The purpose of DEBATE is to “debunk” the opponent; it’s a classical form, as is rhetoric, and true debate and rhetoric attempt to persuade you through reason to see a new perspective on truth. It most certainly is not just another photo op or venue for self-promotion through uncontested sophisms and carnival hawkings. Perhaps all self-respecting journalists will at least have the commercial interests that sponsor them entertain the possibility that they are facilitating and contributing to the “dumbing down” of America every time they refer to these presentations as DEBATES. Embrace the form as it was intended, making the issue the argument, not the candidate or would-be arguer. Arguments that descend into the fallaciousness of “ad hominem” have already lost their point.

Posted by: Dee | August 6, 2007, 11:16 pm 11:16 pm

Republicans Enter Straw Poll Carrying Torches

While minor scuffles between the Democratic presidential hopefuls have been big news over the past few days, the American public has been mostly insulated from the near brawls between the Republican hopefuls. Sunday’s ABC Presidential Forum in Des Moin…

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