By Ed O'Keefe

Aug 23, 2007 3:46pm

Warner Calls on Bush to Withdraw Troops

ABC News’ Martha Raddatz and Dean Norland Report: Senator John Warner, a prominent Republican and the former chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, has asked that President Bush consider beginning the process of withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq by Christmas.

"I say to the President, with great respect," the 80-year-old Senator said at a press conference on Capitol Hill, "consider that you initiate the withdrawal."

Warner has been progressively more critical of the operation in Iraq while maintaining support for the President and leader of his party.  On Thursday, he called for "an orderly, carefully planned redeployment" of 5,000 troops to start.

Reporting for World News, ABC News White House correspondent Martha Raddatz called it a "stunning announcement that could have a powerful effect."

"I’ve tried to work and be respectful of the office of the presidency," Warner told reporters, but added that after General Petraeus, the leader of coalition forces in Iraq, submits his report on progress in Iraq come mid-September, senators should be "free to voice our own opinions."

In Warner’s opinion, that report should be an opportunity for Bush to announce the gradual withdrawal of troops and he had equally tough words for Iraq’s prime minister.

"Maliki has let down the U.S. Forces and to extent his own Iraqi forces which have fought bravely to restore a measured improvement in the security of Baghdad," Warner said.

"We simply cannot, as a nation stand and put our troops at continuous risk, loss of life and limb, without beginning to take some decisive action which gets everybody’s attention," the former Secretary of the Navy added.

Warner stopped short calling for the resignation embattled Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, but said his feelings about Maliki are confirmed in the National Intelligence Estimate that was released Thursday. 

The estimate says, "Iraqi political leaders remain unable to govern effectively" and the situation may get worse.  The report concluded that situation in Iraq "will become more precarious over the next six to 12 months."

With more than 30,000 additional troops on the ground in Iraq, the report does cite "measurable but uneven" security progress during the last six months but "the level of overall violence", says the report "remains high".

White House Deputy Press Secretary Gordon Johndroe responded to Warner Thursday with measured caution, saying, "It is best that we hear from General Petraeus and others before any decisions are made."

User Comments

Here is an indiot senator, you want to listen to. He keeps saying theses withdrawal statements, without follwoing with actions. He will probably would have the same fate as George Allen.

Posted by: RT | August 23, 2007, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm

We clearly need to withdraw. The issue is how to do it without causing more chaos and bloodshed. I would like to see peacekeepers put in to guard some of the civilians as we leave. What a terrible terrible mess we have made.
Bush is the worst thing that has ever happened to the U.S., and I am not forgetting the 9/11 attack.

Posted by: Marilyn | August 23, 2007, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm

Good. Now which of the fat Bush Facist will listen to Elizabeth Taylor’s Ex.????

Posted by: BronxBoy7117 | August 23, 2007, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm

It’s about time the Republicans show some COURAGE in helping end our pathetic current course in MESSOPAPATIA…Bravo Senator Warner :):)

Posted by: Leprkin | August 23, 2007, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm

It’s good to hear that someone of great standing talked to Bush about withdrawing troops. Bush has been getting serious heat for this decision, and for Senator Warner respectfully asking him was a pleasant change. I am curious as to what Warner believes in global poverty as an issue the United States could get serious about?

Posted by: Erica | August 23, 2007, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm

Our king has shown ZERO respect for Congress in 6 years, why the hell they are so concerned about showing him respect is beyond me.

Posted by: JL | August 23, 2007, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm

Cut’n run, Cut’n run, Cut’n run!!!! I love it… the Republican rats can’t jump off of the sinking ship fast enough. This is priceless.

Posted by: Rick | August 23, 2007, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm

They should HAVE Term limits a long time ago!

Posted by: alan | August 23, 2007, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm

On one hand we have a Senator who has fought in WWII and Korea, and then we got a President who chose not to fight for his country in time of war…who has more credibility…there’s fighting smart and fighting dumb and I don’t believe we’re fighting smart…despite the propaganda, the surge hasn’t made Iraq any closer to being a self-sustaining democracy (if that is still the goal)…we need leaders who have the courage to separate rhetoric from reality…

Posted by: common sense | August 23, 2007, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm

I strongly disagree with Senator Warner.
I am shocked (not really) by the failure of Congress to lead in this matter. Clearly the United States will be far worse off if we withdraw from Iraq. Our Congressmen should be leading the populace not chasing after it.
I hope that democracy is far better than the next best thing, but I am beginning to wonder if a democracy can truly sustain the will to fight against a dedicated enemy which not only does not value human life at all nor does it care how long it takes to get its way.
Shame on all the Congress who are not strongly supporting the war efforts.
Now, the Bush administration has run the war very poorly. Congress should not be wanting us out of Iraq, it should be impeaching Bush for gross incompetence in office. Katrina was ridiculous, but his mistakes in Iraq — such as disbanding the Iraqi army was the stupidest move that I’ve ever heard. We’ll, it was second only to the army’s failure to blow up all the military stockpiles that the Iraqi army had sequestered throughout the country. Has no one in the military watched the NASA channel? Ground penetrating RADAR you idiots.
And what in God’s name made the Bush administration think that we could turn Iraq into an American style democracy? Why wasn’t South Korea after the Korean war an acceptable model for Iraq? They weren’t democratic for a long time — but they became one and are doing fine.
Jeez, what children we have elected.

Posted by: Lowell | August 23, 2007, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm

President Bush need not stage appearances before applause crazed audiences/props of the VFW or American Legion to obtain wise and clear counsel regarding what course of action is required in Iraq. Mr. Bush simply has to heed the advise of Republican Senator Warner and for that matter, Democratic Senator Webb, both Virginia senators, former Secretaries of the Navy and combat Marine Corp veterans. For a desperate President Bush, concerned more for his legacy and passing the tragic missteps of the Iraq War on to his successor, to draw the wrong analogies from another debacle, Vietnam, and argue that American troops must remain in order to prevent blood baths is the wrong interpretation and unacceptable and portrays a Commander in Chief out of touch with the lessons of history.

Posted by: mongo100 | August 23, 2007, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm

A recent survery revealed that only 27% of Americans can correctly explain why we have winter and summer. This fact may also explain the quality of some of the comments today. Perhaps this Iraq fiasco will finally teach the USA that it cannot cure all the world’s problems and perhaps it should learn to stick its nose more often into a glass of good wine instead of in other people’s business.

Posted by: Keimar | August 23, 2007, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm

This is JUST the COVER that was needed for the other sensible but wobbly, weak kneeded Republican Senators to start serving OUR country and begin to demand an end to the madness that IS the occupation of Iraq… The Democrats must be smiling today as this is from one of Bush’s OWN Party….hehehehehehe

Posted by: Leprkin | August 23, 2007, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm

I am a Conservative Republican who believes the GOP needs to get rid of the Country Club Neo con-Artists and Chicken hawks like Bush. Anyone with haqlf abrain would have had an emergency meeting at the UN and would have turned this debale over to a UN/Pan Arab force. Spend 600 Billion on The US Dumbya. Trump is right Bush is the worst President in history.

Posted by: windmaster12 | August 23, 2007, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm

Everything the left said about Bush turned out to be right. He’s the worst President in one hundred years. No more imposters as president. One in three Americans still think he’s doing good job. Consrvatives are Idiots!

Posted by: Todd J. | August 23, 2007, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm

I’m sure Bush could be a good President but I don’t think Cuba or North Korea are looking right now.
Something to remember that you should have been taught in grade school; The US is a Republic not a Democracy, if in doubt read the pledge of allegiance.
The the Senator; I don’t know who’s Constitution you are reading but the Party is a zero in the big picture, you work for the people.

Posted by: Patriot2007 | August 23, 2007, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm

You leave now there’ll be civil war, you leave a year from now there’ll be civil war, you leave years from now there’ll be civil war, It is a mess and no one knows what to do about it.

Posted by: maxm | August 23, 2007, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm

Start to consider is not good enough!
This country has been screaming to pull out of Iraq. Did you see the Iran smart bomb article, thats your lead in to the next phase of this lunacy!
If you truely want to end this war, stop with the party positions and collectively as the PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES start talking as ONE VOICE! We want a firm WITHDRAW date NOW

Posted by: Adams684 | August 23, 2007, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm

Bush, please! step down and take Cheney with you, for the good of the country.

Posted by: Jack, Peoria | August 23, 2007, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm

Yes. Please, let us get out of Iraq. America needs to start healing.

Posted by: chicagopoetry | August 23, 2007, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm

Next up, expect to hear Senators Collins, Snowe, Sunnunu etc. start
scrambling to save their necks AND their jobs in 2008. I guess they are starting to realize they are drowning
politically and need a Life Preserver to save them from the flood of opposition now facing the GOP.

Posted by: Leprkin | August 23, 2007, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm

Too little, too late.

Posted by: bobby stickers | August 23, 2007, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm

What hogwash!!!!
Mr Warner is being respectful to the office of the President????? What was he thinking when he supported the impeachment of President Clinton.

Posted by: Roy | August 23, 2007, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm

Quote Article “…senators should be ‘free to voice our own opinions.’”
That is correct… and so should the people of this Nation… WITHOUT being called traitors. My only question is, why did it take you guys so long!

Posted by: Troy Street | August 23, 2007, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm

I believe president Bush should go down in history as a great president for his stand against terrorism, and re-organizing NASA. By defeating terrorism it will take long-tern activity after his term in office has ended, and that of course will require the UN, social activity, cooperation of religious groups in that region, development of new industry for export goods other than oil. The people in the Middle East must be given some self worth and useful self esteem to overcome the hold of the terrorist, and their hold on government. I do not recognize this campaign as a president Bush self serving campaign for his own purposes. I think this campaign got out of control because few really recognized how to defeat the abstract activities of the terrorist, but this is the 21st century and the terrorist must be eliminated for the sake of the global nations.

Posted by: Williamwfh | August 23, 2007, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm

Hopefully Senator Warner will back up his words with action because the president long ago quit listening to Congress. Wasn’t it Lugar who advocated withdrawal but when it came time to do the right thing didn’t vote with the Democrats?
Time for us to get out and let the Iraqis decide the fate of their nation.

Posted by: Robert59 | August 23, 2007, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm

How long is it going to take for people to realize that this has been an ongoing struggle for the Middle East since 634 AD when the Sunnis and Shia effectively split over the handing down of Islam??? There is no military solution, perhaps not even a political solution….
What unnerved me the most was when Bush said yesterday that “America and its citizens will never be free from danger unless this ideolical struggle to bring freedom, which our creator intended for everyone, is fulfilled”..
Now am i an idiot, or did he just basically make this into a new “crusade” with that one statement???? He wants to make it out like its an us vs. them issue, when at the heart of the matter it is the religious beliefs of few extremists.
We were safe from terrorist activities and thought that the oceans would somehow protect us before 9/11; however, we cannot and should not go running around the world to every country we either a)dont agree with or b) has terrorists within its borders. This is a failed strategy. Why not spend the billions and billions of dollars protecting us here at home, instead of protecting the pockets of the oil industry???

Posted by: Stephen Sowell | August 23, 2007, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm

I believe president Bush should go down in history as THE WORST president for his STUPID stand against terrorism (CREATING MORE TERRORISTS), and WASTING MONEY ON NASA. By defeating terrorism it will take A PRESIDENT WITH BRAINS after BUSH’S term in office has ended, and that of course will require the UN, social activity, cooperation of religious groups in that region, development of new industry for export goods other than oil. The people in the Middle East must be given some self worth and useful self esteem to overcome the hold of the terrorist, and their hold on government. I do not recognize this campaign as a president Bush self serving campaign for his own purposes. I think this campaign got out of control because few really recognized how to defeat the abstract activities of the terrorist, but this is the 21st century and the terrorist must be eliminated for the sake of the global nations.

Posted by: LCI | August 23, 2007, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm

Let us all hope that Senator Warner stands by his words this time and that Harry Reid accepts them — not positioning or posturing — Let’s us start withdrawing troops (or will Bush bungle this too) he has bungled everything else so far — someone take care of him while the Generals start a draw down.

Posted by: Paulet | August 23, 2007, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm

Im not sure who I find MORE repulsive, a president who has no soul, no brains, and no respect, or a bunch of chickenhawk GOP officials who backed this illegal and immoral invasion year after year only to ask for the president to withdraw on the last leg of his DISMAL term ni office after the damage has already been done.

Posted by: ChickenHawk Exodus | August 23, 2007, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm

For the past 15 years I’ve watched, as an expat yankee, while the USA pulls itself apart at an accelerating pace. You’ve become so polarized there is no place for a silent majority. Thinking is a rather quiet process. While some (most?) of us figuring out whom to trust, we marvel at the vicious vitriol. What possible good comes of name calling and “scoring points”. In your panic for a solution you lay blame on each other. Incredibly, you’ve made yourselves the enemy. You must see that you didn’t set this trouble in motion. Nor can you take your ball and go home. Is this really the time for party politics? Is it just my parallax view from New Zealand or has your strenght become your weakness, i.e. the tyranny of total freedom?

Posted by: All in the same boat now! | August 23, 2007, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm

But that’s not supporting the troops, and he’s advocating “cut and running” and what about the enemy, he’s helping the enemy! This will be the talking point on all the bluster filled Neocon
BS radio stations, rev em up Rove will no doubt be in charge of gluing the good Senators lips together.

Posted by: Sue Filutze | August 23, 2007, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm

Debating whether the U.S. should withdraw from Iraq and the region is pointless in its merit. The debate is nothing more than both political parties maneuvering for support for future elections in Congress and the White House, this is the given syntax or language of politics, which is used to motivate or manipulate the party faithful to advocate the usual political rhetoric from years pasted. The reality is, no matter if a Republican or Democrat is elected in the White House, the United States will be in Iraq and region for years to come, even long after our military is no longer engaged. Now that the Iraq Pandora Box has been opened, there is no going back, we are in thick of a civil war, we can only move forward to prevent a mistake far greater than the first. So never take a politician regardless of political party at face value but read between the lines for the fine print. To bring any creditable resolve to Iraq and the region, several things have to happen first. i.) Our leadership in Congress and the White House need to put politics a side and tell the truth about failures, cost, and associated risks of losing Iraq. ii.) The White House needs to start making better judgements and decisions that are by nature more aggressive and competently executed to handle problems in the region. iii.) Congress and the White House need to be on the same page on risks assessments, pay as you go, and hardware-logistics project management of the war. Areas of failures – the surge is roughly two to three years too late. Go back to the drawing table and reinstate the draft and increase more military footprint and more missions to secure borders and strategic resources. Remove the current PM of Iraq with a more effective Shitte and Kurd leadership to co-govern Iraq. Run off the Sunni from Iraq – three is a crowd. Bush administration needs to go back the Saudis and tie the most recent weapons deal to stop their actions of funding the Sunni insurgents and al Qaeda foreign fighters. Use sanctions and incentives on Iran and Syria so they will want to come to our negotiation table along with the Saudis to stabilize the region. It must get much, much worse for all before any one party will negotiate. All this must happen before the Richardson, Biden, Kissinger or ISG plans can seed. It always cheaper to pay now than later.

Posted by: threeriverscrossing | August 23, 2007, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm

Was Bush not warned about the “quagmire” before he sent the troops in. We never learn from history i.e. it is lot easier to go in than to come out. Self promoting statements like ” Mission Accomplised ” show the lack of understanding and appreciation of the ground reality by this president.
First, the reason for the invasion was to find Weapons of mass destruction. The other reason cited was to bring “Democracy” to the poor Iraqis.
Lately, we are told that democracy was never a realistic goal. So the rest of the world was right when they said we had only one goal – to steal Iraqi oil.
So that is what this murderous campaign was all about?
Saddam may have killed few thousand of his own citizens but the American invasion brought death, destruction and mayhem of unspeakable proportions to Iraq. Atleast, under Saddam the Iraqi people had peace and prosperity, not to mention clean water and electricity.
Today most Iraqis think of Saddam era as ” Good Old Days ” and that is hard to reconcile with, thanks to
George W. Bush.

Posted by: sage | August 23, 2007, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm

I hope the Dems have grown a spine over their vacation. There is lots of house cleaning to be done, starting with Gonzales, Cheney, and GW. Come on Congress, bring our troops home and clean out the riff-raff in the WH. The people that put you into office can just as easily take you otta it next election.

Posted by: Thorpe | August 23, 2007, 6:23 pm 6:23 pm

Reporting the News or Making it up now. Lets see how ABC titled this: “Major Defection on Iraq: Senior GOP Senator Calls for Withdrawal”
First he is not “defecting” on Iraq.
Second he is not calling for a “Withdrawal” as you term it.
He stated he hopes the President might redeploy a small number of troops, 5000 if anything in this article can be believed. I think that ABC needs to change their name to DNC news from now on.

Posted by: Jeff | August 23, 2007, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm

Great! And the good senator from south dakota is recovered and ready to go back to work…..we move closer and closer to a majority, people!

Posted by: Cat | August 23, 2007, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm

Iraq will NEVER be fixed my the hand of ANY leader. It has been thrown into a quagmire of chaos that will milk that region of generations of senseless sacrifice thanks to the GOP warmongers who saw fit to place an OBVIOUS AMATEUR into the office of president for no other reason than to spite the left who couldn’t stand the man. The GOP have blood on their hands, and are directly responsible for the largest national division this nation has seen since the civil war. There is NO SOLUTION. But there is a beginning, and THAT would be to impeach george bush and dick cheney IMMEDIATELY, and get our troops OUT of Iraq.

Posted by: Indurate President | August 23, 2007, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm

There’s no easy road out of Iraq. Once coalition troops have gone the various factions in Iraq will be free to have their revolution unhindered and fight to the death over the power vacuum that opened up since Saddam Hussein’s removal. That’s when the meanest of the bunch over there will gain control of the country by spreading a very anti-american philosophy and we’ll all wish we had dear old Saddam back.

Posted by: oobe | August 23, 2007, 7:21 pm 7:21 pm

Oh well, oh well … is the Old Guard finally seeing that the light at the end of this tunnel is really an oncoming train-wreck? Maybe the tunnel vision that the Bush team signed us all up for is wearing thin. I hope so!
You can’t build anything good on the basis of lies. Let’s see, do the names Hitler, Mussolini and Tojo ring a familiar note? These are the world-class liars who got the whole world into World War II. Their deal was based on “… lies, damned lies, and statistics,” the same program that this bunch of know-it-all bozos employed.
Too bad the honorable gentlemen and ladies of the US Senate didn’t do their homework a little better. Maybe they could have prevailed upon Mr. Quack and his understudy to pick another sandbox to play in. What we have now is a sandbox that has turned into a quagmire. Hey, maybe LBJ would like to return from the ranch to give them so tips on the folly of their ways.
Nah! “Just not gonna do it! Wouldn’t be prudent.”
Are you listening Junior? Your daddy is trying to share a few tips on desert driving with you.

Posted by: Stephen Swain | August 23, 2007, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm

Bush is a liar because, in his first speech following the 9/11 attacks, he said this war will be fought in total secrecy. He told us that he is going to lie. Consider this fact: everybody knows that the invasion of Iraq was based on false evidence, yet no one has impeached him. Why is that? It is so because, despite what our politicians say, the situation in Iraq is going exactly according to plan. The US has so far achieved most of its objectives, and in that sense, it does compare to Vietnam. So, in the end, the US will lose in Iraq, but we will win all of the battles.

Posted by: Amir | August 23, 2007, 8:08 pm 8:08 pm

5000 is a good start but that is not near enough. How about 50,000?

Posted by: DrBob | August 23, 2007, 8:11 pm 8:11 pm

The headline is totally misleading. The Senator “suggested” a small pullback as a political point only. He then stressed that he would not support the democrats withdrawal plans. This is actually a non story. Warner supports the surge policy.

Posted by: Scott | August 23, 2007, 8:48 pm 8:48 pm

Good to hear Warner is saying get out of Iraq if Americans are really behind this war bring in the draft I think the only people worried about the military over there have a loved one serving there, everyone else are concerned with their own little world.My son is there and I feel for all the famlies that have lost someone.kiwi

Posted by: suzanne moake | August 23, 2007, 9:03 pm 9:03 pm

It is long overdue. Get out of Iraq now. Bush & Cheney already made billions at the expense of Soldiers and Marine lives.

Posted by: marc | August 23, 2007, 9:12 pm 9:12 pm

After the Bush/Cheney criminal empire ends will the only real progress be made.We have all watched this idiot in disbelief as he pretended to be president in a time of war.A President in a time of war does what is neccessary to win that war and defeat the enemies of his country.The moron does not have a clue as to how to accomplish any of those tasks.He surrounded himself with some of the worst people to serve any U.S. President. Now Sen. Warner thinks its time for change?

Posted by: pete | August 23, 2007, 9:32 pm 9:32 pm

The troops should stay. Senator Warner should go home.

Posted by: Chris Clanton | August 23, 2007, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm

I think it’s too late now but I hope everybody lawmakers to include all the incompetent managers of the war like Bush & Cheney should follow suit and forget how much more money they could profit and make for prolonging the war.

Posted by: marc | August 23, 2007, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm

All of our presidents have lied – except George Washingon.

Posted by: mudpuppysix | August 23, 2007, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm

Enough is enough for these war profiteers. Let’s get out now.

Posted by: marc | August 23, 2007, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm

Finally, someone from the republican side is sounding very presidential. Too bad it is so late in the game, so many lives lost… Maybe someday we ourselves will have a Democracy that everyone can live with. We can not expect to export democracy as long as we ourselves are having trouble with the most basic issues such as privacy.
Oh, by the way, thank you for allowing Elizabeth Vargas to anchor the evening news once again…Even though it is probably only for a little while???

Posted by: Dr Benji | August 23, 2007, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm

Despite all evidents, President Bush and his administration are still arrogant and blinded by the Iraq War. The people of this country are fed up with Bush’s senseless war and the lack of domestic policies. There are much more important issues in this world that the US should be taking part in, such as global poverty. According to the Borgen Project, whose goal is to fight global poverty, US are one of the nations pledged in the Millennium Development Project. MDP is aimed at eliminating world poverty in half by the year 2015. However, this country has done anything but reducing poverty. The war on “terror” has created more poverty, more hunger and more violence within Iraq and the United States. It is time for this country’s president to rethink the direction where this great nation is going. Put aside the political gain and stop the Iraq war and stop global poverty now.

Posted by: Mstessyrue | August 23, 2007, 9:54 pm 9:54 pm

Before Christmas,I see no reason that one more person should have to die for this insanity. Damn there armour plated
Humvee’s are on a ship, because of the cost to fly them. They do not care about our people! They don’t care about the Iraqi people or else they would have made sure they had water! I refuse to give Cheney any more money, as a matter of fact his damn company over charged us and gave a very poor quality of goods and service to our troops.
He gave them tainted drinking water, and these our are people. I live in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and we don’t sacrafice our own for nothing. Our national gaurd is needed at home NOW.
Who is helping the people in OHIO?
For God sake how is that any different than Katrina?
We have Armagedon occurring in our financial sector and I’ll be damned if when it goes down they are going to be stuck there, and it is going down. These were criminal acts that were committed and the FED was in on every bit of it. On top of the FED is a private business that makes up money as it needs it. We aren’t getting a damned thing out of it other than being controlled. Every 7 years or so there is no more cream left to SKIM off the top! Who has been paying for that, us!
Gordon Brown is now trying to do the same thing to the UK! The people own the country, not the damned politicians,
Or the rich and famous. Brad Pitt and leonardo DeCaprio and Angelina Jolie are the exception to the rule. There are a few other to that act like normal people that care, and pitch in to help!
I am so over that 29 billion dollars that that the investment industry took as a bonus last year, while I have to budget every damn dime to pay for it!
I want to see heads role for it, and Prison time! Have you seen how much money the lobbist are giving? If it didn’t sway decisions then why do they give so much? Thats called bribary and they get the money to do it with by charging you and I with inflated costs!
We pay the oil companies billions of dollars of incentive money to do it to us to! That part slays not only at the pumps but also taking tax dollars.
ENOUGH THE BUCK STOPS NOW!

Posted by: Adams684 | August 23, 2007, 10:07 pm 10:07 pm

Responsibility
I think this is a term lost in the halls of our politicians. I’ve seen little responsible leadership in the past decade. As many have mentioned here, running away from the situation created by our own country would likely make the situation in the Middle East worse than it ever has been. Whether your concern is the advancement of moderate governments in the region or a stable price for crude oil, it seems that neither will occur if we don’t anticipate the eventuality of an abandoned nation-building effort.
Hind sight is 20/20. Assessments, reports, criticism, and politics seem to be looking back but not forward. General Petraeus has been telling our “leaders” since he arrived on the scene that the answer is more political than military, but where has there been a commitment of political resources to compliment the military resources? It seems that General Petraeus has had to handle that above and beyond the military mission.
To me this situation points right back to an absence of responsible leadership in Washington. The global condition is here to stay. Withdrawing from situations we don’t like (especially those that OUR COUNTRY created) is an isolationist view that will likely create even more trouble for our nation and others.
All I ask is that our “leaders” in DC, whatever their party affiliation, own up to the situation, start engaging the world stage with a genuine (not an arrogant) interest in finding solutions that will bring about reforms of mutual benefit, and deal with the situation at hand rather than talking about the conditions they wish they had.
Responsibility: I believe we owe that to all the soldiers and innocent Iraqis whose lives have been lost in this conflict.

Posted by: Jim | August 24, 2007, 6:44 am 6:44 am

…as long as we do not re-deploy to Darfur…

Posted by: Bill | August 24, 2007, 8:18 am 8:18 am

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