By Jake Whitman

Sep 20, 2007 11:51pm

Candidates Debate ‘Older’ Issues, including those of Clinton

Raelyn Johnson and Eloise Harper Report: It was a busy scene in downtown Davenport, Iowa where the democratic presidential candidates rushed in like rush hour traffic to participate in the AARP Forum Thursday night.

The hurried scene outside echoed the scene inside the Adler Theater, as the candidates were quick to attack Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., whose recent debut of a healthcare plan still lingers in the headlines.

Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., was the first to attack. "Look, it’s not the plan; it’s the man or the woman pushing the plan," Biden said in a veiled swipe at Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y.

In achieving universal healthcare, he added, "It really is going to take someone who is going to be able to take on the insurance industries."

Biden’s comments served as the perfect hand off to former Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C., who has challenged Clinton to stop taking money from Washington lobbyists, particularly those working for insurance companies.

"They stand between America and the healthcare that they need," said Edwards.  "We definitely need a president who’s not compromising with the people," Edwards said, eliciting a large round of applause from the audience, the first of the evening.

Edwards also said Clinton’s healthcare plan reminded him of his own.

"It’s very similar to mine. I’m proud of the fact that six or seven months later Senator Clinton came out with a plan that is very similar to mine," Edwards said.

Doing what she does best when debating healthcare, Clinton used her ’93 "scars" as a shield of armor to protect against the attacks of her ’08 Democratic opponents. 

"Well, been there done that," Clinton said after Edwards argued her ties with entrenched interests are the reason we don’t have universal healthcare today.

Instead of swiping back at her fellow Democrats on stage, Clinton directed the focus towards the Republicans and their failure to solve the problem.

"Fifteen years ago, I was advocating for universal healthcare, It was kind of lonely back then," said Clinton who added, "What was a lonely struggle is now the accepted set of convictions for the democratic party."

Clinton, Edwards, Dodd, Biden and Richardson debated for 90 minutes on issues such as social security, Medicare, taxes and mortgage lending.  Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., declined the invitation to attend.

The debate was co-sponsored by the AARP and Iowa Public Television and had an overall focus on healthcare and financial security, issues of utmost importance to voters over 50 years old.

But for the senior set tuning in to the AARP debate — Sen. Joe Biden turned dinner time into a comedy set.

"I love Hillary Clinton, I’ve been getting beat up because I’m always saying nice things about her," Biden said.  "They think I want to be her Secretary of State." 

What was a running joke in political circles, Biden has now made part of his campaign schtick. He gave Gov. Bill Richardson, D-N.M., little credit and little room to speak, interrupting the governor, saying it was Richardson who was in fact running for Secretary of State with his answers.

User Comments

This was a great format,time control could have been better in a few instances, but all around a good forum. Way to Go Senator Biden. Glad to see you defending yourself.

Posted by: V. Brumbley | September 21, 2007, 9:18 am 9:18 am

Although I favor the Richardson’s Health Plan (no tax required, not mandatory, prevention and efficiencies driven) over most of the Democrats and Republicans candidates, I must say, the Democrats as whole seem to be better at tracking this issue with the economic reality and needs of the future for Americans than the Republicans. Some realities, a little over half of American have a private health insurance, while the rest do not. Those residents in the United States regardless of citizen status, that do not have a health insurance policies are entitled to medical help in hospital emergency rooms because of the legality and ethics of our system. Such cost to treat the uninsured is passed on to those with health insurance with increased premiums each year, so in saying that, under a free-market Republican plan this issue of passing the cost of the uninsured would not be controlled regardless of plan. Today, private companies that provided a benefit of health insurance to their employees pass this cost on to the consumer or their customers. It is estimated that the 1/3 of the price tag of a American automobile pays for health care for auto workers in Detroit. So this not unusual for businesses to amortized the cost of health care in the price of products and services. The economic problem that lies ahead is the large number of the baby boomers that are going to retire and come of age to require more medical attention in their senior years thus placing a higher service capacity and cost on our current health care system. Not to mention, is a system that is under-capacity with skilled labor and affodable technology. It is important to factor in the cost variance of the projected inflation assumptions to health care cost along with consumable inflation, in economic terms, will require action to be taken now to offset. If we hold the current course and do nothing, the critical path will have a disastrous outcome for our country’s future economic health.

Posted by: threeriverscrossing | September 21, 2007, 10:03 am 10:03 am

Even though he is a real long shot to win, I am getting the sneaking suspicion that Sen. Biden might just be the most qualified and experianced candidate. He just may be the best person for the job. Too bad our election process isn’t really about that.

Posted by: waleeg | September 21, 2007, 10:26 am 10:26 am

Biden is more credible than the rest of the democratic candidates.

Posted by: marc | September 21, 2007, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm

Hillary isn’t going to “take on” the insurance industry.

Posted by: TexBork | September 21, 2007, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm

Waleeg and Marc:
Joe Biden’s biggest disqualification to be president is Joe Biden. Sen. Biden cares far more about looking like a stand-up guy who knows what he’s talking about than about being such a fellow. A lot of people are ill-informed and/or have no idea how to evaluate an argument. On the other hand, a lot of people do. The only way to appeal to both sets of people — which Sen. Biden wants desperately to do — is to talk loudly out of all sides of every orifice bequeathed to him by a gracious Creator. This, Sen. Biden certainly does and it has quite an effect on the easily impressed. But unlike Sen. Clinton, whom I believe has a mission in running for president (i.e., to bring competent management back to the country), I can’t think of a single reason Sen. Biden wants to be president.
TexBork:
A very close friend of mine works in the pharmaceutical industry. His co-workers fear a second Clinton presidency more than anything. They are afraid that she’ll wreck their profit-margin by piloting a more consumer-oriented Medicare program through Congress. To the extent that they donate to her, it’s so she’ll at least listen to their proposals. I believe that health insurance lobbyists feel exactly the same and they have very good cause to do so.

Posted by: dawn | September 21, 2007, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm

Well, I suppose that Hillary might roll out her plan and then once it starts to fail, then retool it to full on socialism and take over all of the health care system from the doctors and nurses to the insurance et al. If nurses think they don’t make much money now, wait until they are paid by the same government that pays our troops. Also, once Hillary delcares it illegal for people not to live without healthcare, does that mean they will not be able to get it until they enroll, or with the ones who are not enrolled be fined or what? If however she does plan to actually provide coverage for all people, (which would be a change in her plan already) then the health care system would be over run by millions. The cost of health care would rise exponentially. The amount of service available won’t change right away, but the demand will skyrocket. Health care services would have to be tightly controlled and rationed. That’s hardly a scene of everyone recieving the same quality of health care.

Posted by: TexBork | September 21, 2007, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm

The realities are that it is only possible to cut a national health care plan so many ways and that is why most of the Democratic plans read so similar. None of the plans rely on 100% government operations or ownership. They all rely on tactical partnerships with the private sector, insurance companies and the rest of the medical-pharmaceutical complex to be an active principals in the plan. The closest plan that models the proposed Health Care Plans by the Democrats, is the Massachusetts Health Care Plan, which was carried out by a Republican Governor (Mitt Romney) and a Democratic Senator (Ted Kennedy) of a very blue state. According to the Heritage Foundation, the Massachusetts Health Care plan is a live and well, and meeting its targets to provide health insurance at lower insurance premiums. Rumors in Republican political circles are that the government has gone broke and has gone deeply in debt in the last seven years, so It’s almost silly to think the Federal government could even afford to take on 100% ownership in a socialism model. Lastly, the real elephant in the room, no pun intended, is the shortage of doctors, nurses, affordable medical technology and pharmaceuticals. The free-market is current experimenting with a market-based solution to address this health providers shortage and affordability issue. We should see more retail medical centers in grocery stores and pharmacies to take a greater capacity for more patients within the health care system in the future. Far from reality, and not in the picture frame is a socialist model that only exist in the fiction or antedodal side of American politics.

Posted by: threeriverscrossing | September 21, 2007, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm

Joe Biden seems to be in touch with realities. Even if the US could regulate all emissions, it would take the rest of the world to stop global warming. Even if the President has the right health plan, it will take a bi-partisan coalition in Congress to make it work. I like Hillary and of course will vote for the Democrat nominated; but Biden is the one I support for now.
P.S. The real reason Bush is president is Ralph Nader, let’s not forget that.

Posted by: Pat Andrews | September 21, 2007, 10:14 pm 10:14 pm

When it comes to the case, can Richardson get elected? Richardson is the only Democrat that can appeal to moderates and conservatives more so than any other Democrat running. Based on the last to Presidential elections, the Democrats just cannot do the math. They fail to appeal to moderates and conservatives and always focus on Northeastern and California liberal voting blocks to carry them through and ignore the conservative Western and Southern states, the NRA crowd, military families, and conservative and moderate Latinos, Blacks and White voters. The truth of the matter is, the Democrats need to grow their base towards the right and center if they wish to cull enough votes to have a reform mandate otherwise, more of the same. Without Richardson on the ticket, the Democratic party prospects look dim in 2008 or slim pickings without a voter’s mandate for 2008 reform. As for Joe Biden and his attack tactics at the debate, Richardson is to gracious to counter-attack, and Biden should already know that such tactics will only harm his cause as well as the Democratic party in the long run.

Posted by: threeriverscrossing | September 22, 2007, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm

Get to know your ABC – Anyone but Clinton, but not Obama. That is what all dems and independents need to learn. She would be the worst President and even worse commander in chief. Can you imagine the number of military people resigning and retiring befor she comes into office. Scary.

Posted by: grego | September 23, 2007, 10:04 am 10:04 am

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