Live-Blogging During Tonight’s Democratic Debate
11:04 pm: That’s it for tonight, folks — thanks for logging on. Check out The Note tomorrow morning for a more full analysis, and until then, drift off to sleep with visions of Mike Gravel’s "fantasy land."
11:02 pm: Quick thoughts — Hillary Clinton benefits whenever no one else distinguishes himself, and Edwards may have done himself the most good tonight. Obama squeezed in one good line, but I don’t see that as enough for the evening.
10:59 pm: At least Richarson had a single answer on Red Sox-Yankees. Not the right answer from my perspective, but the right answer for New Hampshire.
10:57 pm: From Jake Tapper: No one has really laid a glove on Clinton. Obama and Edwards were good enough, I suppose, but the clock is TICKING! Senator Obama, the sermon on the mount is not a verse. Senator Gravel, the Beatles are not the Bible.
10:56 pm: "Look at what I’ve done," Edwards says. But that’s sort of the problem here — these are things he’s done, as opposed to what he’s said and is saying. He didn’t exactly fall on his sword over the embarrassing disclosures that have plagued his campaign.
10:53 pm: Another Clinton dodge, on disclosing donations to the Clinton library: "I don’t talk about my private conversations with my husband, but I’m sure he’d be happy to consider that." This is an opening for Obama, who’s sponsored a bill that would require disclosure.
10:47 pm: Nice gambit by Russert to highlight a difference between the Clintons, and Sen. Clinton handled it well: "He’s not standing here right now. . . . Well, I’ll talk to him later." That will be widely quoted.
10:44 pm: ABC’s Jake Tapper: Gravel: "the solution is obviously wind power." Talk about the candidate of La Mancha!
10:38 pm: Obama’s answer on Jena is that he was too busy trying to stop the war to stop by Louisiana? How many times has he been in, say, Iowa in the past month? UPDATE: My bad on this — Obama campaign points out that Russert asked specifically about a rally in Louisiana last week — when Obama was indeed in Washington voting on Iraq.
10:37 pm: John Edwards is taller than Dennis Kucinich. Is this why we’re up late?
10:35 pm: ABC’s Jake Tapper: Drinking age? Is Russert trying to get the Dartmouth freshman vote?
I attended a Dartmouth debate as a freshman there in 1988. Vice President George HW Bush, Bob Dole, Jack Kemp, Pierre "Pete" DuPont, Rev. Pat Robertson, Al Haig. God, I’m old. Barack Obama was in law school at the time, I think. And Hillary Rodham was just getting used to the Clinton surname.
10:33 pm: Obama didn’t answer that question about whether he’s talking about Bush or Clinton when he says "turn the page."
10:29 pm: I’d score half a cackle for Senator Clinton when told about the "lightning rod." Gravel grumbles: "never got to the real round." Enough.
10:21 pm: Interesting that Clinton is attacking Alan Greenspan now that he’s attacking President Bush (and offering kind words for her husband). All in the interest of defending President Clinton’s fiscal record. (Though, of course, Greenspan didn’t "vote" for any tax cuts.)
10:18 pm: Edwards does want to raise taxes. He’s saying it, and he’s OK with that.
10:16 pm: This Richardson-Russert matchup just isn’t fair. He stumbled on "Meet the Press" a few months back, and not much better tonight.
10:15 pm: Forty-five minutes left, but RNC Chairman Mike Duncan’s seen enough: "Tonight, we once again saw the true face of the Democrat Party, as Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, John Edwards, and all the rest stuck to their plans to raise taxes, increase the size of government, and retreat from the War on Terror."
10:13 pm: Obama is shooting straighter on this question on the Social Security tax — a real landmine. Probably unfair that he’ll get skewered by the Republicans for it, but that’s the game.
10:09 pm: Biden took the Social Security tax question straight on. That makes Clinton’s answer stand out: "Well, Tim, let me tell you what I think about this…" And then she talks about her husband’s fiscal discipline, attacks President Bush, and never really says whether the cap on the Social Security tax should be lifted. "I’m not putting anything on the proverbial table."
10:07 pm: Interesting point, Sammy, about Sen. Clinton ducking questions. She’s very good at answering without saying anything significant. I do think Russert has (uncharacteristically) let her slide some tonight.
10:05 pm: As a former newspaperman, my lede so far would be Obama’s door-shutting comment — fresh, sharp language, and maybe the turn in his campaign rhetoric we’ve been expecting. But I’d give Edwards a slight edge in making his points and making them solidly. And, of course, Clinton is again playing at a higher level than her rivals. And a boring debate is a great debate for her.
10:03 pm: From ABC’s Teddy Davis: Obama says he was risking his political career with his iraq speech because he was in the middle of a senate campaign . . . But he was in the middle of a primary campaign in which it made political sense to be against the war.
10 pm: Edwards continues to have these odd answers about gay marriage — he’s not comfortable with it, but he wants his little kids to support it like his wife and older daughter do?
9:57 pm: That was a long, long pause before Richardson handled that one. But the time didn’t help him. That question, about his gaffes and goofs, seem to have gotten him off-stride. And that line of "change and experience" seemed natural and solid at the last debate, but seemed defensive and off-point this time.
9:55 pm: It’s nice that Russert is probing the fiscal records of Gravel and Kucinich, but WHY NOT PRESS THIS BIG DIVISION BETWEEN THE TWO FRONT-RUNNERS!
9:54 pm: Obama’s money line appears at last! "Part of the reason it was lonely, Hillary, was because you closed the door."
9:51 pm: Edwards is finding his openings.
9:50 pm: My colleagues found other parts of Biden’s answer interesting –
ABC’s Karen Travers: Biden calling her "Hillary" – does he always do that? Very familiar, but also could be seen as demeaning.
And ABC’s David Chalian: Nothing will bring impeachment faster to the foreground than when Biden said, "When I say old stuff, I am referring to "policy, policy."
9:48 pm: Biden comes closer to making the polarization argument — the "old stuff that comes back" — but he backs away too: "It’s not Hillary’s fault."
9:46 pm: Hillary Clinton really did not answer Tim Russert’s question about her failure in 1993-94. "I intend to the be the healthcare president," she said. That’s nice, but she was the healthcare first lady, and that didn’t work out so well, did it?
9:44 pm: Wow did Chris Dodd ever wimp out. He has been hitting Hillary (on paper) day by day, and when asked to back it up, he makes an Anderson Cooper joke. He was being "somewhat facetious," he says. Tell that to his campaign staff.
9:43 pm: Cackle No. 2.
9:42 pm: From ABC’s David Chalian: Expect to see this clip of Hillary Clinton in the general election — especially if Mitt Romney is the nominee. When Russert asked if Sen. Clinton would "allow the scanctuary cities to disobey the federal law" on immigration, she said "I don’t think there is any choice."
9:38 pm: Gravel called it fantasyland again. Where’s the gong?
9:35 pm: I fully endorse asking about immigration, but this is not going to bring out meaningful distinctions between the candidates. Wasted moments for the second tier.
9:33 pm: One-fourth of the way in, Edwards and Richardson have distinguished themselves. If people were looking for a new, more aggressive Obama tonight, it doesn’t look like they’re going to get it.
9:29 pm: I hear you, Skittles, but this is a two-hour debate. That’s a LOOOONG debate.
9:28 pm: Edwards draws blood, citing the vote today on Iran: "We learned a very different lesson" from our war votes, he said in contrasting himself with Clinton. "what I learned from my vote on Iraq is that you cannot give this president the authority, and you cannot give this president the first step" toward that authority.
9:25 pm: OK, Sen. Obama, we get it — Iraq made things worse. This cannot (and will not) be the line he marches with to the nomination.
9:23 pm: So far, Hillary Clinton is in so much control of the debate that he’s brushing aside Russert’s direct questions. How many other candidates could get away with that?
9:19 pm: Let history note that the first Hillary cackle of this debate came at 9:19 pm ET, in response to the Gravel rant.
9:18 pm: Mike Gravel’s little civics lesson is no longer amusing. "This is fantasyland," he says. How much longer should he be allowed on stages like this?
9:14 pm: Biden is rightfully proud of the "Biden plan" — the vote today in the Senate was really surprising in how many Republicans it attracted, and he’s been pushing it for I don’t remember how long. So far, though, it’s just Chris Dodd and Richardson (among the majors) who say all troops would be out by 2013. Think about that (and Dennis Kucinich wants us to) — 2013.
9:10 pm: Russert’s format teed this up for Richardson — he couldn’t have planned this better. "Their position basically is changing the mission. My position . . . is ending the war." He could go home now and it will have been a good night.
9:07 pm: I’m ready to give the Big Three credit for intellectual honesty by saying troops will have to remain in Iraq for some years. But John Edwards is the first to draw real distinctions about what to do going forward. This won’t be the last time he finds a way to set himself apart.
9:05 pm: Hillary Clinton’s answer is the same as Obama’s (essentially) on whether troops will be in Iraq in 2013. And then she defends the Democrats in Congress, with nice words for Joe Biden and all of her colleagues. Frontrunners can afford to be generous.
9:03 pm: Barack Obama took about one sentence to mention that he was against the war from before it started. But then he said little new about Iraq — he’s still got to make that turn: What makes you more prepared going forward? Will there still be troops in Iraq by the end of his first term? "I think it’s hard to project four years from now." This is an opening for Bill Richardson.
9 pm: Hope everyone’s buckled in — and I love that Tim Russert wasted zero time.
Rick Klein here of ABC’s The Note. I’ll be live-blogging during tonight’s Democratic debate, starting at 9 pm ET. The debate will be televised on MSNBC. Be part of the conversation below.

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Can’t wait, Rick!
Posted by: RainbowSkittles | September 26, 2007, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
Lookin forward for your input.
Posted by: cane27 | September 26, 2007, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm
How about these goals
Revamp education for a better future
Revamp American infrastructure based on technology for a better future
Stop policing the world and focus on American problems not other countries, spend our money here and not over there.
End illegal immigration, secure the borders for real.
Fusion Power (Not Nuclear, No Radiation) would power national power grids
Private / Mass Transit would be powered by electricity from Fusion Reactors
Fusion Reactors would be used to crack sea water into Hydrogen/Oxygen, as fuel for car /aircraft
Homes/Cities 100% electrified or using hydrogen fuels, nearly zero harmful, no pollution or green house gases.
Clarity and Vision is the way to future.
Posted by: odom2008 | September 26, 2007, 8:46 pm 8:46 pm
“The world is not dangerous because of those who do harm but because of those who look at it without doing anything”
Albert Einstein
Posted by: odom2008 | September 26, 2007, 8:48 pm 8:48 pm
Is seems that CURRENT CAREER POLITIANS lack vision to secure our nation, since it’s more profitable for them to leave the border open, or they have forgotten who they represent?
Posted by: odom2008 | September 26, 2007, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm
Bill Richardson (and Joe Biden though he hasn’t spoken yet) seem to be the only ones who understand all the factors involved with our military involvement in Iraq and with the problems there.
I like that Tim Russert wasted no time too.
Posted by: RainbowSkittles | September 26, 2007, 9:12 pm 9:12 pm
Was Tim Russert swimming laps immediately before beginning the debate?
Posted by: Treehugger | September 26, 2007, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm
Good save, Dennis!
I feel like you have to brace yourself every time Gravel gets the microphone. I think you need someone like him — a rabble rouser, if you will — to force ideas without mincing words. But sometimes it’s too much.
Also, can we talk about Tim Russert’s tie? What gives?
Posted by: RainbowSkittles | September 26, 2007, 9:18 pm 9:18 pm
Two points to Chris Matthews/Keith Olbermann for accurately predicting the maniacal laugh during the debate pregame.
Posted by: RainbowSkittles | September 26, 2007, 9:19 pm 9:19 pm
just answer the question hillary!
Posted by: dzigner | September 26, 2007, 9:24 pm 9:24 pm
Twenty-three minutes into the debate and we’ve moved from Iraq to nuclear war, with no mention of domestic policy.
Is Iran really that much of a threat over lack of universal healthcare? Education in the United States? Gun control? Economy?
Come on, guys.
Posted by: RainbowSkittles | September 26, 2007, 9:25 pm 9:25 pm
9:25 pm: good point rick.
Man, I like Obama but is it me? He’s sounding more and more boring.
Edwards answers the Iranian question the best. And then goes onto to talk about his differnt approach with his vote on Iraq. –Don’t give GW vote for war.
Gravel should not be allowed to speak. He’s a joke.
Posted by: dzigner | September 26, 2007, 9:29 pm 9:29 pm
I’m going to keep count of how many times Ahmadinejad is mentioned during this debate. So far, twice.
Edwards – 1
Richardson – 1
Posted by: RainbowSkittles | September 26, 2007, 9:30 pm 9:30 pm
Fair enough, Rick, point taken.
And you’re right: Obama has been really lackluster in this debate.
Posted by: RainbowSkittles | September 26, 2007, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm
Earn your way into America w/o citizenship? Dream on Richardson. If they get in, they will then demand citizenship.
Go Biden!
Dodd is so full of stuffy air. How can anyone think anyone would vote for the guy? He’s so full of himself and old fashioned. And, worse of all, so predictable. OK, yes we should have a far better sytem for immigration, but if you don’t mention what that is, you don’t help!
Posted by: bored | September 26, 2007, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm
There’s two mentions now of this elusive ‘fantasyland’.
Also, say what you want about Kucinich’s politics but at least he says what he really believes and stands by it consistenly, rather than pandering for public favor.
Posted by: RainbowSkittles | September 26, 2007, 9:40 pm 9:40 pm
Who cares ? Really ? You people are just trying to get attention …. and i don’t really care …. gabish >
Posted by: henry Sniadoch | September 26, 2007, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm
Skittles, you are so right on about K. I don’t agree with his policies but he is a man of integrity and you’ve got to respect that. He is well spoken,succinct too.
Posted by: dzigner | September 26, 2007, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm
Edwards rocks! He gets specific about Congress losing their healthcare if they don’t give it by July 09. Yes!
And Biden is bidding for VP spot with Clinton.
Posted by: dzigner | September 26, 2007, 9:52 pm 9:52 pm
A counter-point to Karen Travers’ point…Hillary called Sen. Obama ‘Barack’. So maybe we’re reading too much into the ‘informality’ of ‘Hillary’.
Gravel…uh…credit cards? $90,000 bill? Say what?!
Posted by: RainbowSkittles | September 26, 2007, 9:55 pm 9:55 pm
Clinton said “last several elections.”
Um…doesn’t that include elections her husband was a part of?
Posted by: RainbowSkittles | September 26, 2007, 10:03 pm 10:03 pm
The only one better than hillary at not answering questions is her hubby/roommate
Posted by: slammin sammy | September 26, 2007, 10:04 pm 10:04 pm
No one is addressing the illegal alien issue. Why, probably because the Democrats are all for giving 20 million people amnesty. Good Grief, these debates should only be allowed the last 6 months before election.
Posted by: Josephine | September 26, 2007, 10:06 pm 10:06 pm
THIS IS NOT NEWS! This is COMMON KNOWLEDGE to every American who has been fighting this ANTI-AMERICAN administration from the onset! Bush uses YOU! He uses EVERY AMERICAN to do his bidding. To sit here and listen to some of you back this TYRANT is perhaps the most DISGUSTING experience one can have on the net. It is absolutely ANTI AMERICAN.
Posted by: RW | September 26, 2007, 10:22 pm 10:22 pm
I was about to log off till Russert said ‘lightning round’ with a gleam in his eye.
Energized. I hope it’s good.
Posted by: RainbowSkittles | September 26, 2007, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm
Hillary said “diss”, haha. I like the slang.
Posted by: Nikki | September 26, 2007, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm
Ligtning rounds should work well for Edwards, Biden and Kucinich. Obama, Dodd and Richardson are done for!
Posted by: dzigner | September 26, 2007, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm
Your name is Hillary CLINTON, don’t say you’re running on your own.
It takes a village, Hill.
Posted by: RainbowSkittles | September 26, 2007, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm
Kucinich has had some good jokes in this debate.
Posted by: RainbowSkittles | September 26, 2007, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm
Rick, I think we’re also up late to watch Edwards attempt to pull a Biden with his “no” answer.
Posted by: RainbowSkittles | September 26, 2007, 10:41 pm 10:41 pm
Define torture. We don’t have to leave permament damage like pull off fingers or whatever but you can definitely use loud noise, force the terrorists to stay awake, and other such non intrusive manner.
It does work. That’s rubbish.
Posted by: Dzigner | September 26, 2007, 10:46 pm 10:46 pm
Hillary gets out of a very sticky situ–great comeback. Best soundbite for the whole night!
Posted by: dzigner | September 26, 2007, 10:48 pm 10:48 pm
Favorite Bible verse? Is this the 700 Club?
Posted by: RainbowSkittles | September 26, 2007, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm
I guess you can root for the Yankees and non-answer answer in New England when you’re the frontrunner.
Posted by: RainbowSkittles | September 26, 2007, 10:59 pm 10:59 pm
Edwards actually sounds mad. He knows he’s trapped and sounds duplitious with the haircut, funding question.
Sermon on the Mount is not a verse but passage. Anyway, dumb question to ask. Gravel and Kucinich are not even quoting from the Bible at all! All the others but Edwards don’t give a real verse as asked. I wonder if any of them even know one, well except for Edwards.
Baseball? Another really dumb question! Makes us sound so trivial to the world. Let’s stay real for debates.
Anyway, Russert could have done better. He tried to pin point them but didn’t push back enough and let Hillary really get away w/o answering the questions directly, even the simple ones.
That said, I have to reluctantly give it to Hillary. She seems to have won yet another debate. Biden did pretty well too as did Kucinich.
Obama had moments to shine but squandered too many opportunites. Edwards did fine up until the haircut end which is the lasting impression.
Gravel was so embarrasing. Please, every candidate needs to refuse to debate until he is removed. that iwll give more time to everyone else. Remove Dodd too. He sounds like a broken record.
Not the best debate. Pretty boring really.
Posted by: Dzigner | September 26, 2007, 11:07 pm 11:07 pm
Great conclusion Rick! Love it–”fantasy Land” Ugh!!
Posted by: Dzigner | September 26, 2007, 11:09 pm 11:09 pm
I really like the live blogging, it’s quality.
Referring to it as a cackle is just plain wrong and full of offensive connotations. That should STOP. It’s wrong and shouldn’t be used referring to anyone. If it was a man it certainly wouldn’t be used.
Posted by: thomas | September 26, 2007, 11:47 pm 11:47 pm
don’t tell moma I am for Obama, he just stood out, while hilary avoided serious questions, America needs candidate like Obama. if we see an 007 tv ad it will change the face off this race ( i mean Obama and Oprah)
Posted by: guled | September 26, 2007, 11:51 pm 11:51 pm
My prediction as of today- Obama/Edwards vs. Guiliani/Huckabee. The Hope vs. Fear election. Any guesses on who wins? President Obama. Works for me.
Posted by: NEWTZAPOOP | January 6, 2008, 3:13 am 3:13 am