By Jennifer Parker

Sep 11, 2007 1:20pm

Obama Doesn’t Like Iraq Hearing on 9/11

ABC News’ Jennifer Parker reports: Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., said during a Senate hearing on the future of Iraq with Army Gen. David Petraeus and U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker, that holding the hearing on the anniversary of the September 11th attacks "perpertuates the notion" that Iraq and 9/11 are linked.

"I think we should not have had this discussion on 9/11 or 9/10 or 9/12," Obama said during his opening statement. "It perpetuates this notion that the original attacks had something to do with going into Iraq."

Obama went on to criticize what he called a failed Iraq strategy.

"This continues to be a disastrous foreign policy mistake," he said. "There are bad options and worse options."

"This is not a criticism of you gentlemen but a criticism of the President," Obama said.
However, the Illinois Senator accused Petraeus of dodging questions about the overarching Iraq war strategy. "You’ve punted a little bit," Obama said. " We don’t have limitless resources … the question is one of strategy not tactics."

He argued the administration has artificially lowered expectations of what constitutes progress in Iraq. "We have now set the bar so low that modest improvement in what was a completely chaotic situation… is considered success. And it’s not," Obama said.

Obama argued President Bush has made it impossible to have a bi-partisan discussion about the way forward in Iraq because he refuses to admit the war strategy was flawed. "There has been no acknowledgement of that on the part of this administration," he said.

"We have the president in Australia suggesting somehow that we are, as was stated before, kicking A-S-S.," Obama said. "How can we have a president making that assessment?"

Obama told Petraeus the President’s assertions, "It makes it very difficult then for those of us who would like to join with you in a bipartisan way to figure out how to best move forward to extricate this from the day-to-day politics that infects Washington."

User Comments

It is embarrassing that a US senator makes these stupid and naive comments on National television. Perhaps he should reconsider running for the Presidency of this country, he has no clue about anything.

Posted by: Manuel | September 11, 2007, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm

It’s showbiz, Senator or as the old song began…Hollywood…..dohdoh

Posted by: daddy | September 11, 2007, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm

Bush`s comments at least make you proud!Obama is negative like he usually is!

Posted by: JASON | September 11, 2007, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm

Bush cant make that assesment but the Dems can make assesments on everything(as long as it bad of course).What nerve these people have.

Posted by: JASON | September 11, 2007, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm

Senator Obama contually demonstrates why he is a poor choice for President. It amazes me that a small minded politician fancies himself a military strategist.

Posted by: lockmaster | September 11, 2007, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm

There’s only one important question concerning the attacks, did the US gov’t allow/participate in 9/11?
The answer to that query would explain the illegal wire-taps, suspension of habeas corpus, banning of books like “America Deceived” from Amazon, detaining of dissenters in fences miles away from events, and multiple wars based on lies.
How can the gov’t be innocent in 9/11 when we have caught it lying so many times (WACO, Ruby Ridge, no WMDs, USS Liberty, Operation Northwoods, Gulf of Tonkin, Pearl Harbor, ETC.)?
In law, if you determine a person lies ONCE during his testimony, it can be assumed that he lied in the remainder of his testimony. How come we do not hold the gov’t to the same standard as it holds us to?
The gov’t lied to us about Iraq and more Americans have died there than in 9/11. If the gov’t lied about Iraq then why is everyone so reluctant to believe that the gov’t lied about 9/11?

Posted by: Nate | September 11, 2007, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm

I find it funny that the Dems are starting to realize that people, including the young, are not falling for their made up facts and Hollywood sound bytes.I sleep a little better at night knowing that Sean Pen and Alec Baldwin are not going to be setting policy anytime soon.

Posted by: Thad Harris | September 11, 2007, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm

We should have a fund raiser to finance a one-way ticket for Obama back to his original(?) homeland. He is a disgusting candidate for President of Our Great Country!

Posted by: Jim | September 11, 2007, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm

President Hussein Obamma….well afterhis idiotic babbling today he can put that one away for at least 8 more years. 1 down 8 to go

Posted by: Jim | September 11, 2007, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm

Manuel – What’s embarrassing is the stupidity and naivete of our President. Obama is telling it like it is, and we need that, now more than ever thanks to that buffoon you elected. Talk about having no clue…you and Bush make a good pair.

Posted by: Darla Bean | September 11, 2007, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm

9-11 and the war on terrorism are not related? has anyone informed ubama that iraq is a theater of a bigger war or does he just not get it? I can’t believe he is too dense to figure this out.

Posted by: Smarter than Obama | September 11, 2007, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm

Guys, this man, Senator Obama in fact has a brain that functions at much higher level than you folks who posted here including Presdient Bush’s. That’s why he can say it the way it’s and he thinks American people deserve to know the honest truth. Enough of secret foreign policy, secret military agenda.

Posted by: Arshad | September 11, 2007, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm

Dems’ top three candidates: a show horse, a pretty pony, and an old mare. The show horse can’t understand that in Iraq we are fighting and defeating Al Qaeda and Iranian proxies. Do we have any greater enemies in the world?

Posted by: E. O'Neal | September 11, 2007, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm

Truther Nate,
There’s only one important question concerning the attacks, did the US Gov’t
allow participate in 12/07/41.
Take off your tinfoil hat, take a deep breath, and try to rejoin most of us back on Planet Earth. Besides, your post has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Posted by: tom | September 11, 2007, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm

Thousands and thousands of US Dead based on nothing but lies. Osama-bin-lAden lives and Al-Queda, you might remember them – they are the folks that attacked our great nation – get stronger by the day.
George W. Bush should be put on trial.

Posted by: Tim | September 11, 2007, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm

Senator Obama is absolutely correct. The problem is that ABC and the rest of the media are just reporting quotes, not facts. Do some research guys. Don’t just tell us what the Democrats and the Republicans say, tell us the truth.
Obama is telling the truth about the situation in Iraq. Go check the facts, like a responsible news organization, and then report that Obama is correct and the administrations talking points about the war improving are FALSE. F – A – L – S – E, false. Don’t just transcribe, try reporting for once.

Posted by: Bryan Barash | September 11, 2007, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm

Why do the comments here attack Sen. Obama personally rather than argue facts? Iraq has no connection to the 9/11 attacks. The administration lied about WMDs. And the vast majority of Americans (and the rest of the world) do not support the war. It’s a disgrace that with 3500 American troops dead and a war strategy that’s failed a hundred times over, head-in-the-sand folks like Bush, Romney, Thompson, keep attacking the character or patriotism of the people who insist on ending this war.

Posted by: Brian | September 11, 2007, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm

What about any day in September or the 11th of any month?

Posted by: Gary | September 11, 2007, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm

George, do you mean Obama or Osama? Or both?

Posted by: E. O'Neal | September 11, 2007, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm

I pray we will be blessed with the election of President Barack Obama and the appointment of Madame Supreme Court Justice Hillary Clinton.
Just to see all the rightwingers heads explode.

Posted by: GOPnomore | September 11, 2007, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm

God bless the USA. God bless our Constution.

Posted by: Socialist | September 11, 2007, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm

Why does the right wing hate the Constitution, our troops and dissent?

Posted by: HillaryforSupremeCourtJustice | September 11, 2007, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm

Who is being hateful? This is typical of the fringe left anti-Americans. Spewing hatred because your ideals are failures and you can’t debate facts.

Posted by: W | September 11, 2007, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm

Is there some kind of blogosphere stupidity contest I haven’t heard about? The comments supporting the war on this message board are the most ignorant things I’ve read in a long, long time.

Posted by: joe panther | September 11, 2007, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm

it seems to me that many people bashing Obama are bashing him simply because he’s being negative. Would you rather keep sending sons and daughters to die so rich people can keep getting richer, all the while hearing “Everything’s OK” or would you rather hear the truth about the situation and start to fix it? Yes, Iraq is a haven for al Qaida. Why? Because we blew up enough of Iraq for some people to get angry and take al Qaida’s side. Who attacked us on 9/11? Saudis, Egyptians, NOT IRAQIS. How many Iraqi citizens who have no ill will against us have died since the start of this war? Nobody knows, because our government stopped releasing those figures in March, 2005. They claimed the media was taking those numbers “out of context.” How can you take a number, which is not subjective, out of context? Stop hiding behind your political parties and open your eyes.

Posted by: andy | September 11, 2007, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm

All Senator Obama can do is bitch and gripe like the rest of the Democrats. Someone running for President should have some ideas to offer, not just gripes about the current administration. This is just another campaign speech for him rather than a hearing on the state of the war as it is for the country. The dim bulbs out there can continue to pray for President Obama….I’m still waiting to see Senator Obama.

Posted by: BCinGA | September 11, 2007, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm

For all you gutless, armchair Monday morning quarterback democrats … “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.” -Teddy Roosevelt, April 23, 1910 (speech in Paris, France).

Posted by: America Does it Best | September 11, 2007, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm

Once again Barack shows that he is intelligent and his thought process is well above your normal politicians and baloney. What a coincidence eh ? after so many years since 9-11 and the start of the Iraqi war the most critical hearings at the most critical time just happen to start near the anniversary of 9-11. Its just a diversion, plain and simple. They are not related, have never been related, and we continue to lose credibility around the world. We should all be used to it by now from this administration. Nothing but political hijinx since the beginning.

Posted by: eSPO | September 11, 2007, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm

Wow, the republicans posting here really are the fringe, and their irrational hatred is turning off a lot of voters. Keep up that looney tunes stuff, guys, it’s great! Every time you accuse a democrat of treason for speaking his mind, you create another independent and democrat! Keep ‘em coming!

Posted by: Will | September 11, 2007, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm

Upset that the hearings are on 9-11? Excuse me, but doesn’t the Democratic leadership set the agenda?

Posted by: Dee | September 11, 2007, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm

“I’d like to see Barak (sic) Hussein Obama use his full name everywhere to show he is as fearless as he pretends”
that is not why you’d like to see him use his full name, and you know it.

Posted by: Will | September 11, 2007, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm

NATE –
Good points about catching a person lying, but — those lies you refer to are over many generations and many years and by many, many people. If what you say is valid then NOTHING the government tells us is true. Hence, we’re still at war in Europe, we never walked on the moon, airplanes don’t break the speed of sound and Bush wasn’t elected President twice.

Posted by: borninTexas | September 11, 2007, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm

I don’t care what you think, just get out of my lane when you see my big suv riding your bumper. It is ironic that the brave men and women who have volunteered to fight in this war are doing so to protect even the most anti-American leftists right to free speech.

Posted by: Dems hate America | September 11, 2007, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm

Obama may not believe we’re kicking Al Qaeda’s ass, but I would bet Osama does. He’s lost hundreds of his best terrorists since the surge began and dozens of his leaders. It must break whatever he has in place of a heart to see the very Sunnis in Mesopatamia, the center of his new Caliphate, now turning on his boys and helping us to hunt them down.
Whatever the future holds, this is a major success.

Posted by: E. O'Neal | September 11, 2007, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm

We’ve had 27000 US casualties in the Iraq war, and this is shaping up to be the worst year yet. We’ve gained nothing, and really, we could gain nothing by this, because there were no damn WMD’s to begin with. We started this war, which is an un-American thing to do.

Posted by: Bill | September 11, 2007, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm

“There are 1.3 billions muslims in the world. I doubt there is hardly 100 thousand extremists who has twisted a very soft, tolerant and peace loving religion for radical agenda.” (Comment by “Arshad” above)
I will accept that Islam is a “peaceful” religion when Muslims turn on these extremists and put them down themselves. Until then, we infidels will have to continue to do the job for you. Also, what is peaceful about a religion that espouses death for any in it’s ranks who choose to break away and follow a different path of belief? Or who riot violently in the streets because of a cartoon. Or kill a raped woman out of “honor”???

Posted by: Greg H | September 11, 2007, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm

“volunteered to fight in this war are doing so to protect even the most anti-American leftists right to free speech. ”
Only you would consider leftists saying we need to armor the troops and go after Osama as anti-american speech. But whatever, that little yellow ribbon on the back of your car allows you to do whatever you want to hurt the soldiers because it clearly states that you ‘support our troops’.

Posted by: Yellow ribbons, or armor for our troops? | September 11, 2007, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm

Hey E. O,Neal… Your numbers are wrong, as if you care…
Try 3775 (approx)
Thanks for playing…

Posted by: Obama Soprano | September 11, 2007, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm

By the way, the reason there are so many frothing rightists on here spouting thier fox news bullet points is because this just got linked on drudgereport.com

Posted by: Drudged up | September 11, 2007, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm

Wondering why bin Ladin is still alive? Take his own advice and read Imperial Hubris, by an ex-CIA researcher.
Remember the out pouring of pain and remorse following the shootings at Virginia Tech, relate that to the first hand observations by a doctor working at Baghdad’s morgue who sees 10 times that every day, found in The Assassins Gate by George Packer, who reported from Iraq for the New Youk Post.
Now consider In Dead Aim how “w” talks about ‘refilling the ‘ol coffers’ which brings to mind the hord of Texas oil men continuing to get reep record breaking profits, as long as, the World’s 2d largest oil reserve remains in complete chaos.
Go ahead read, as you’ll soon understand that it’s not just our fighting men & women stuck in Iraq fighting amid a civil war and a disappearing enemy like in Viet Nam, it’s all about non-civil empirical ambitions and greed that have us all trapped paying the bill for something none of US actually want, understand or need. The equation is simply this: when there are too many sides and too many unanswered questions (eh! General) such as “why are we here in the first place?” it’s best to just get out.
Thank you Mr. Obama, I think you understand that!

Posted by: Hank | September 11, 2007, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm

I agree with Obama — first out of respect to those who died and next, to separate 9/11 from Iraq, the hearings could have easily been held at the end of this week or beginning of next — Petreaus had his pretty pictures packed to go like any other powerpoint show.
I also agree with what he states in the context of his comments. It is too bad that this administration has created such hateful bi-partisanship on this war. I am sure that strategically the input and ideas of many are needed for a postive withdrawal.

Posted by: Paulet | September 11, 2007, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm

Now why would the senator accuse the president of doing the same thing the congress and senate have being doing for years.
They’ve being lowering educational standards since the sixties to the point a red rock is considered a genius!We’re doing such a great job that we HAVE to IMPORT young people into the country to fill jobs our kids should be filling, but can’t because we’ve LOWERED the EXPECTATIONS so we can on paper guarantee SUCESS.
They’re just mad someone stole their program!!!!!
Wouldn’t you people get that warm fuzzy feeling with old GENERAL OBAMA in charge.

Posted by: wildbill | September 11, 2007, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm

Obama has stated that he has been against the war in Iraq from the beginning. Even if we assume that the intelligence was flawed upon first review, given what that intelligence indicated at the time he still would not have acted. What would it take as president for Obama to act? This is the real issue for Obama and his campaign staff knows he is weak on defense. Most likely a dove in the worst sense of the word. We didn’t need a dove then and we certainly don’t need one now.

Posted by: Kevin Hacker | September 11, 2007, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm

The Liar’s Liars
Petraeus and Crocker, simply put, mouthed the words of the Bush administration. Nothing will change until the Congress cuts off funding. No money – no war! ! !

Posted by: Ed Rotin | September 11, 2007, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm

Bill is off his rocker. Where did the numbers come from for 27,000 US casualties in the Iraq war. Typical Dem, when rational arguments don’t support your position you simply make stuff up.
I’m really glad that Senator Obama with all his military experience and knowledge of warfare can tell General Patreaus how to run the campaign. I thought that the Dems were content to let the military present their findings? Good news by the military required a change of strategy. Dems are rooting against the military – it’s plain to see.

Posted by: BJ | September 11, 2007, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm

Arshad – Were you educated in your own country? So you believe that 9/11 was a “natural reaction” to the United States of America’s foreign policy? Can you tell me what country refuses our food because of our foreign policy? Do they hate us because we invented computers and improved transportation, electricity, communication systems that mostly the ELITE of those countries enjoy? Nations we have kept from starving do they hate our foreign policy? Can you even name the ships and the amount of money we, Americans, spent on a starving world? That’s a foreign policy not even taught in our own left-wing, Liberal colleges! It’s OK for us to be the most generous individuals in the world – just so we stay out of the business of trying to get people to feed and govern themselves. BYW, since you are Muslim, there is yet ANOTHER academy in my city to educate Muslim children – with one physical difference – in my country – USA our school and university campuses are wide-open – but in the Muslim academies the facilities are HIDDEN behind over 10 ft. tall fences! In OUR own country. Talk about foreign policy I take notice of which foreign countries are infiltrating the US with an agenda to change our home policy to theirs! Talk about the pot calling the pan black!

Posted by: Magid | September 11, 2007, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm

“Obama has stated that he has been against the war in Iraq from the beginning. Even if we assume that the intelligence was flawed upon first review, given what that intelligence indicated at the time he still would not have acted. What would it take as president for Obama to act? This is the real issue for Obama and his campaign staff knows he is weak on defense. Most likely a dove in the worst sense of the word. We didn’t need a dove then and we certainly don’t need one now.”
Only a cheerleader didn’t know that ‘data’ was cooked. If you had read London times in 2002, or the guardian, you would’ve known well before the vote that there was no yellowcake. Also, the UN was saying all along that there was nothing there. So so long to that straw man.
Before you say it, I think Hillary knew it was cooked but wanted to be aboard the USS Kickbutt.

Posted by: Will | September 11, 2007, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm

I think he meant US Iraq war wounded, which at last count was 27,272.

Posted by: Will | September 11, 2007, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm

How delusional does one have to be to believe that “Al Qaeda is not in Iraq”? They call themselves Al Qaeda, their leaders have trained in AQ camps, they’re in communication with what General Petraeus calls “Al Qaeda -Central”, and a very high proportion of their suicide bombers come from Saudi Arabia. They are AQ in at least the same sense that cells broken up in recent weeks in Germany, Denmark, the UK, and the US are Al Qaeda.
Also, OBL’s latest message repeated his belief that Iraq or “Mesopotamia” is the main battlefield in his worldwide jihad. Wake Up!

Posted by: E. O'Neal | September 11, 2007, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm

Actually, Obama Soprano, 3775 is the number of Americans -killed- in Iraq. Casualty doesn’t just mean dead; it means dead or injured. Fella named Webster taught me that.

Posted by: Pete | September 11, 2007, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm

Hey – Ed Rotin can read minds! He apparently knows that the war in Iraq is being prosecuted differently than what General Patreaus reported. On top of that, not only did Patreaus perjure himself but he did so to please Bush.
I wish I could read minds like Ed Rotin.

Posted by: bjsguess | September 11, 2007, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm

“How delusional does one have to be to believe that “Al Qaeda is not in Iraq”? They call themselves Al Qaeda”
I call myself George Bush, therefore I must be the president of the USA! More tinfoil hattery from the Fauxnews brigade!!!!

Posted by: Break out the reynolds wrap | September 11, 2007, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm

Less than one term removed from being an Illinois state legislator and Obama is an authority on world affairs and the military. Joe Biden, who is an idiot, was correct when he said Obama was nothing more that a black man who spoke well. Being spineless, Biden then back off the only true thing he has said during his time in the Senate.

Posted by: A.C.Guard | September 11, 2007, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm

It will never be another 9/11 here. Not because we are safer grace to the patriotic act. Neither because we are fighting an inmoral war in Iraq. But because the main reason for the attack was a Bin-Laden retaliation for the american military bases in the middle east. He is/was a fundamentalist with lots of money that commes from the royal family of Saudi Arabia. He had concocted this plan way ahead of time to protest for the failing and anacronich american international policies. All of the plane highjackers were saudis and none was iraki. Maybe BinLaden is already death and this tape that just surfaced is another schem from W to justify his horrible war on the iraki people. Now the Bush administration is fighting alQuaeda. The world never heard of this organization until W made it a motif to wage this horrendous war. But, who is alqaeda? a terrorist bunch. Terrorists have existed since the world is world, and we have not been able to figh it. Neither will be able the tiny brain of W. There is no visible ennemy to fire to. So we fire on masses of civilians hopping that some terrorist among them will be killed. Bush should be indicted
as a war criminal.

Posted by: Angry | September 11, 2007, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm

Jason wrote:
Bush`s comments at least make you proud!Obama is negative like he usually is!
Posted by: JASON | Sep 11, 2007 2:04:07 PM
Ummmm…Exactly which Bush comments have made you proud, Jason? “Mission Accomplished” maybe? “Your doin’ a heck uv a job Brownie”? or maybe “I’m the decider”…

Posted by: Jill | September 11, 2007, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm

OK, commies, listen up: I don’t care if there was or wasn’t any “yellowcake”. Saddam was an evil, murderous, dangerous thug. He was shooting at our pilots flying UN MANDATED patrols. And whether or not he had any WMD, he was sure acting like he did. Anyway, we won the war and accomplished the mission when we took Baghdad. How long did we stay in Germany after WWII? Oh, wait, we’re still there. And we were dealing with holdover nazis and japanese for years after the axis surrender. The only difference was that those “insurgents” weren’t being resupplied by Iran and Syria. So, besides killing AQ and AQ wannabes thus ridding the US democrat party of potential future “immigrants” to vote for obamee, we need a staging ground for when we finally correct ole’ “Sweater” Carter’s mistakes and do away with the mother-nest of terrorists in Tehran.

Posted by: Greg H | September 11, 2007, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm

I’m from Illinois, and I’ll tell you that Barah Obama is an idiot. He talks about being bi-partisan, but doesn’t seem to have gone into this meeting with an open mind. that is NOT being bi-partisan. He has been pumped up by the democratic party starting back at the 2004 convention. He does not meet the qualifications, and it’s too late now.
To go along and believe what the General says would not be good for the dems and they know it. Why do you think they are trying to humiliate a 4 star general, as well as the president.
On an another note: why do leftist have to always bring up FOX news as to how republicans get all their news? Just because you get yours from all the station (mostly all) that do nothing but put a slant on the left side? Is that why? Have you even watched Fox news? No, I doubt it. I myself watch all channels. I can’t watch MSNBC anymore, as they are too hateful and do not have anyone on with another opinion except for their (left).

Posted by: Susan | September 11, 2007, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm

Barry Obama’s ramble lunacy is really the norm. He would still be a state senator if Peter Fitzgerald was not fed up with the Illinois Republican party. Notice he is not using the Hsu debacle against Hillary yet? Quite possibly because he has some$$$$ along with the Tony Rezkow real estate shenanigans. Don’t think it is a real good idea to call the ranking 4 star general a liar. the real reason he did not want testimony is because he and Oprah can’t be out exploiting the anniversary

Posted by: JACK | September 11, 2007, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm

the 9/11 commission demonstrated that there was not connection between the 9/11 attack and Iraq. If any of you sheep could get that through your thick skulls, then maybe i would have some faith in more .5 of the united states and our voting habits.
government has given us what we want and what we choose, a TV friendly cowboy who has an inability to think and VP who cares about 20 people on this earth (his business contacts).

Posted by: matt | September 11, 2007, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm

Let him keep talking. With every stupid comment he proves what a dope he really is. This guy makes Ms. Clinton look like a star!

Posted by: Chuck | September 11, 2007, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm

He’s absolutely right, Bush and his cronies have used 9-11 as a backdrop for everything they do, from Iraq to illegal spying, to undermining our Constitution. They have spent six years trying to tell everyone that Iraq and 9-11 are one in the same, that no matter what you think you may have seen on that day, that Bin Laden and his henchmen were the ones who planned and carried out the attack,Bush will tell you your wrong and he’s always going to bring 9-11 into it. The saddest part is there are still so many Americans with their heads stuck somewhere that they simply don’t listen. Their theory is, if your a Republican and carry a Bible then of course your telling the truth. I think after all that’s happened and with Larry the Toilet Two steppers last outing (no pun intended), these people are a bunch of lunatics and don’t want the WAR to end. Matter of fact they don’t give a dam if the military is broken, attack Iran, attack North Korea, hell let’s attack Russia while were at it. We need people like Obama, people who have a BRAIN and at least some reasoning and logic when it comes to Iraq and American policies.
Good God I really don’t know how the public and our military will survive another year and a half of these thugs.
God help us all, and especially anyone in Iraq.

Posted by: Sue filutze | September 11, 2007, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm

Breakoutthereynoldswrap, so the fact that Al Qaeda in Iraq calls themselves “Al Qaeda” means nothing, nor does the fact that OBL and Zawahiri both call them “Al Qaeda”. Then maybe you should ask one of the brave soldiers or Marines who’s tracking them down and destroying them what they call them.

Posted by: E. O'Neal | September 11, 2007, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm

the 9/11 commission stated that there was NO presence of Al Qaida in Iraq before we invaded. The invasion of Iraq has destabilized a region for at least 100 years. ALL BECAUSE OF A LIE AND LACK OF FOREIGN POLICY

Posted by: matt | September 11, 2007, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm

First smart thing he’s said……
How crass that this report comes out today – Another subconcious tactic to make us believe that Iraq = 9/11.
I’m ashamed to be an american today…..

Posted by: Hal | September 11, 2007, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm

“the 9/11 commission demonstrated that there was not connection between the 9/11 attack and Iraq. ”
Do you mean the 9/11 commission who’s ranks included JAMIE GORELIK????, whos sole purpose on the commission was to keep clinton’s butt shiny? I put as much faith in the 9/11 commission as I do the commission who investigated teddy kennedy’s late night swimming party.

Posted by: Greg H | September 11, 2007, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm

who do boxer, and obama, and biden think they are to call this general a liar and just ignore facts that the troop surge is working. it angers me to no end to hear politicians calling for our defeat and blatently ignoring facts just to make some kind of political point to their fringe left bases. I am so glad it is so transparent that the vast majority of Americans are not falling for their ploy. fortunateley we have a leader in charge who will listen to this report and do what is best for our country. screw the America hating dems.

Posted by: fight to win | September 11, 2007, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm

It totally cracks me up to read the comments on pages linked to Drudge. The vile with which the righters talk down to their adversaries is so disheartining. This is not about a deliberate airing of facts, but school yeard bullying and name calling. If that’s the best that most of you can muster to bolster your opinions then we are totally screwed.
When neither side can see beyond it’s own narrow view we are all blind.

Posted by: John | September 11, 2007, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm

i hope all of you neocon sheep are right. your thoughts and the leaders that we support have really lead to shiny results.

Posted by: matt | September 11, 2007, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm

Does anyone remember that it is the DEMOCRATIC lead senate that asked for the report on Iraq at this time? How could this be a Republican ploy?
Another fact, we don’t send troops to die, we send them to win.
Another fact, WWII and the Korean War have been over for over fifty years. Yet, we are still in Germany, still in Japan, and still in Korea.
Opinion, Hussein and the other hopefuls will say anything they think will please the masses, regardless of whether it is true.
The time to argue about whether we should have gotten into this war is over. Those that continue to do so are lost. The only real discussion worth having is how to win it, and only one party is discussing that.

Posted by: Scott | September 11, 2007, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm

Greg H: – Beware of your “facts” – They come from government agencies….enough said.

Posted by: H | September 11, 2007, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm

Since right after 9/11, the democratic party has done all it can to bring down Bush. Call him a liar, blocking him on anything he tries to do to keep us safe. they want us to get attached again, so they can say “see, he can’t keep you safe” We haven’t been attacked since 9/11. While Clinton was in office we were attacked, both in the states and out. Why are you so afraid of the Patriout Act? If you have nothing to hide, why are you afraid? There are cameras everywhere in this country, i don’t see you crying about that! I will let this country listen in on anything it wants as long as it makes me safe.
Please remember, Iraq HAD WMD! And right after 9/11, if we hadn’t gone into Iraq and Hussein, (not Barak, Sadam) attacked us, Bush would have been dragged through the mud for that! clinton did NOTHING in his 8 years in office!!! Bush took control. Always screaming it was for oil is STUPID. Making us safe is what is was about. You liberals just jumped on the democrats ban wagon to bring Bush down. It’s all politcs you see. You can’t have someone in office with an 80% approval rating so you have to bring them and everyone that surrounds them down. Think about it. The ultimate attack machine! Only thing,…the dems don’t look so good themselves. HAHA

Posted by: Susan | September 11, 2007, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm

The majority of the rightwing comments here are ridiculous. Someone said Obama should be sent back to his homeland, you too buddy unless your are Native American. Another said W’s comments at least make us proud, so false pride is more important than sober good judgement? Now I understand how some part of this country continues to support the decider, you are idiots who would rather be misled than leveled with.

Posted by: jason | September 11, 2007, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm

Matt, whether there were AQ in Iraq before the invasion is a matter for historians. (Personally, I consider Zarqawi a leader of Al Qaeda.)However, no sentient human can deny Al Qaeda’s current presence there. They’re getting their asses handed to them now, and we should finish the job.

Posted by: E. O'Neal | September 11, 2007, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm

Susan – So you think the Dems want an attack on America?…….wow, you got a good grip.
Dems – Republicans……It’s all NWO crap….
We are slaves people…..pay your taxes, go to work and shut up….that’s what they want……

Posted by: H | September 11, 2007, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm

Once again the traitorous Dems are helping our enemies in Iraq and doing everything they can to make sure our own soldiers lose.

Posted by: Cory Davenport | September 11, 2007, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm

Dems are always worried about the now, never the bigger picture. CEO’s and republicans tend to see the big picture. China and Russia see the bigger picture as well. Who cares about the why’s we’re there. Agree to disagree and then move forward. Lets get as many holes drilled into the ground as possible and make them sell us all of the oil they have. American oil companies are generating revenues never seen before and this is good for all of us. So when taxes are lower but govt revenue is at an all time high, who is really benefiting. All Americans. 20 years from now when the mid east is no longer oil rich, we can move on to Chavez and his supply before we tap ours in the gulf and Alaska. Take the oil out of the region then let them implement Islamic law all they want in thier dust bowl. We will let them reap what they sew.
Our military must support itself financially. And it is only doing that when we are at war. Sad but true wake up and smell the missle defence system.

Posted by: Ryan | September 11, 2007, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm

AQ responsible for 15% of attacks in Iraq. our news media and Executive Branch of Government makes it seem like 95%.

Posted by: matt | September 11, 2007, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm

Let’s pretend…
Obama makes a trip to Iraq (Photo-op??)
He brings along Lugar, Reid, durbin, and General Petraeus (makes him look oh-so bi-partisan and supportive of our military to have a uniform with all those shiny doodads sparkling in the light of the flashbulbs). All of a sudden, some poor misunderstood “insurgents” break through a barrier, just as Obama is making his “the general is misleading us” speech. Everyone looks around for cover. The dems scurry to the left for cover behind an uparmored humvee. The General runs to the right and dives behind a second humvee. Obama is standing there trying to decide which one to take cover behind. Anyone care to guess whether he joins his politician buds, or the “lying” general?

Posted by: Greg H | September 11, 2007, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm

Well, H, one of them said that we can’t win the war, it wouldn’t look good for the Democrats. What do you think? Why won’t the dems approve some of these tactics to keep us safe then? Do you really think we are stupid enough to think that the president or his cronies, as you call them, are actually listening in to your conversations. Give them some credit, they know who they are targeting. Like I said, people who have NOTHING to hide, don’t care. also, I don’t bail on people when the going gets tough. And I don’t make up things to bring people down i don’t agree with. not how i was brought up. We should all unite, and stop the hate in this country. It’s not doing us any good, only the enemy.

Posted by: Susan | September 11, 2007, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm

whoever said “Is there some kind of blogosphere stupidity contest I haven’t heard about? The comments supporting the war on this message board are the most ignorant things I’ve read in a long, long time.”
is right on track i was just reading this and commenting that obama is awesome for not accepting lies and pionting out lies and dishonesty and misleading statements and actions when he sees them. here is a bulletin for y’all… WAR IS NEGATIVE… SENDING OUR TROOPS TO FIGHT A WAR THAT ONLY SUCCEDED IN SECURING OIL FOR AMERICAN AND BRITISH OIL COMPANIES AND LINED THE POCKETS OF HALIBURTON IS NEGATIVE. KILLING INNNOCENT PEOPLE WHO ARE ONLY TRYING TO PROTECT THEIR HOMES (IRAQIS) IS NEGATIVE!!!!
POINTING OUT THAT ALL OF THAT IS NEGATIVE IS A GOOD AND NECESSARY THING THAT ALL OF THE SENATORS (AND MORONIC AMERICANS WHO POST HERE) SHOULD BE DOING!!!
JESUS!!!!

Posted by: frank | September 11, 2007, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm

Also, I love it when people call Obama an idiot and then mispell words. Any of you neocon fools ivy educated, thought not.

Posted by: Jason | September 11, 2007, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm

Who here honestly believes that Al Qaeda wishes we weren’t in Iraq?
Now, on the other hand, who here believes that UBL is amazed at how well things have gone for him post 9/11? He’s more popular than ever, his network is growing in finding and people, the US is locked up militarily nannying a civil war, the US is destabilizing the middle east, the US is completely isolated from it’s allies and is backtracking from it’s principles of Democracy.
Enough said. We’re losing this war, it occurs on more than just a battlefield. The troops are doing their job, it’s time to do ours. Redeploy them, restore our democratic principles, rebuild Afghanistan, reduce our dependence on foreign oil and chinese/saudi debt.

Posted by: Will | September 11, 2007, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm

I am actually embarrassed to say that I am from Illinois where this Jr. Senator is from. I really can’t see why everyone loves this hack? He has not done anything of stature in Congress to make him a contender for the Office of the Presidency. He has not done anything on the State level to make him a good contender for the Office of the Presidency.
Really the only thing that he has done is make himself big with Oprah Winfrey. She loves this guy so she is pushing her nonsense down on us. I can’t stand the way the biased media in Chicago is pushing this Junior level senator as the next best thing since sliced bread.
Since Oprah loves this guy, I guess the chat show host needs to push him and his agenda as if it is one of her book in her crappy book club.
I wish that he would just bow out and do something good in the Senate, not try and shoot for the moon where he can’t reach.

Posted by: Mitch Pawl | September 11, 2007, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm

Matt, that is because AQ’s attacks tend to be the biggest and most destructive. For example, the recent attacks on a minority sect’s village that killed over 500 people for no reason other than to show they could. Also, the attack on the Samara mosque last year that set off the wave of sectarian violence.

Posted by: E. O'Neal | September 11, 2007, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm

“Once again the traitorous Dems are helping our enemies in Iraq and doing everything they can to make sure our own soldiers lose.”
How, by getting them the body armor you refused to give them? STOP MURDERING OUR TROOPS TO SCORE PARTISAN POINTS YOU RIGHT WING FILTH!

Posted by: USN | September 11, 2007, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm

Lockmaster. .. . .. just to catch you up on “current” events, Bin Laden has already claimed credit for 9/11 several years ago, oh by the way he has just reiterated that fact with a recent video. People like you have no credibility because you ignore facts and evidence if it doesn’t line up with what you want to be true. News flash only lunatics still believe Bush was behind 9/11 in light of the fact that Bin Laden HAS ADMITTED TO BEING BEHIND IT.

Posted by: keymaster | September 11, 2007, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm

I am mind boggled by the comments here. Is the partisionism so persuasive that we can no longer call a spade a spade.
Obama correctly points out that Iraq is such an utter disaster that the slight reduction in violence is being heralded as victory, conservative ‘reality-based’ thinkers recogonize this as well (read George Will’s latest column).
Bush has created a terrorist training ground that daily inflames the world against us. And for that gift to Osama we have paid with blood, broken families, and hundreds of billions of dollars.

Posted by: Shadrach | September 11, 2007, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm

Just because it doesn’t make political hay for Democrats we should not do anything about terrorists on September 11th. That’s brilliant. Send 130,000 men and women into battle and stab them in the back. Again brilliant
Send a guy to do a job and stab him in the back before he even speaks. Again brilliant. Keep up the brilliant work Democrats. In Obamas defense he voted against sending the troops to Iraq. He was as wrong then as he is now.
The reason we went into Iraq is because we needed Saddam Hussein to corroborate his claims he destroyed his weapons. He did not.

Posted by: Ed Wood | September 11, 2007, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm

be prepared for WWIII – Iran is in deep and until there is a solution between Palestine and Israel, there will be NO stability in the middle east.
our way of life in America is going to change/changing dramatically.
keep buying your plastic crap from china at wal-mart. keep racking up credit card debt and keep watching cable news. keep polluting and consuming natural resources at the rate that we currently are.
make sure you go to the voting booth and let your voice be heard in 08

Posted by: matt | September 11, 2007, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm

“If Saddam Hussein had complied we would not be in the current situation.
HE CHOSE NOT TO COMPLY.”
Do you really believe that? I remember saying when Bush was elected, ‘well we’ll be in Iraq soon.’ I think they would’ve found any way to get into Iraq, as evidenced by the reports Cheney and others wrote in ’98 saying something to the effect of ‘find any way to get into Iraq, you’ll be greeted with flowers’.

Posted by: The Iraq War started Jan 9, 2001 | September 11, 2007, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm

capitalism is good susan. This is the only way to end the suffering in the middle east. It can’t all happen in your lifetime. It took us 200+ years of suffering to get where we are. A lot of people were hurt. Again, Big picture! Susan. Our standard of living is much superior to goat farmers in the desert because we stood up and fought for it. Many southerners we harmed in the war of northern agression but you wouldn’t argue that Lincoln (Republican) was not justified in waging this war would you?
Big picture! Susan.
Haliburton pays the large portion of your roads,schools,fire,police,soc sec, medical, and all of these other social programs, Do you really think the american citizens taxes come close to meating this obligation.You are so unrealistic it is funny!
Big picture! Susan.

Posted by: Ryan | September 11, 2007, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm

I enjoy reading these nonsensical “Hannity-Land” comments from right-wing cruisers. Have fun in 08.

Posted by: Brian | September 11, 2007, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm

Senior officials including Bush, Rumsfeld and particularly Dick Cheney have repeatedly asserted that the U.S. needed to go to war with Iraq because U.S. intelligence had evidence that Saddam Hussein was working with Al Qaeda.

Posted by: H | September 11, 2007, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm

Greg H – I dont even know how to react to your comment – You are all over the place. But I agree – stop the hate…..
STOP THE WAR…..
COMPASSION instead of warfare
Removal of our FORCE
LEAD BY DEMONSTRATION – not with bullets….

Posted by: H | September 11, 2007, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm

Our country will never be safe until we recognize the enemy. It knows no borders. It is in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, and anywhere else there are people who believe that their religion commands them to behead any who choose not to submit to their beliefs.

Posted by: Greg H | September 11, 2007, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm

janus – Good for you…..Dissent is neccessary for the evolution of governtment – otherwise we will always be the same as the previous facists we overthrow. We are now a nation of dumbed down people who need little than some sybolism to march into war….without cold facts or transparency in government.

Posted by: H | September 11, 2007, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm

Did one of your neosheep say “in Obama’s defense he voted against the war”? Obama was a state legislature during the war vote, so he had no say. Going into Iraq was a disaster.

Posted by: Jason | September 11, 2007, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm

When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it–always.
-Mahatma Gandhi

Posted by: matt | September 11, 2007, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm

Greg H – ONE basic question.
Why can we have WMD’s, but fear other countries having them? What makes us so god-damned special?
We talk of “nukes” – but our reserve is enourmous. Aren’t WE dangerous?!?!?!?!
And i’m not a liberal. I’m a free thinking American – Party lines are for the weak and lazy.

Posted by: H | September 11, 2007, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm

n. korea will soon have no nuke reactors thanks to Bush and Condi’s Hard line.
The funny thing is that Clinton gave him the capability to start with. If you always give the bully your lunch money you will always be hungry!Jason.

Posted by: ryan | September 11, 2007, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm

“We are now a nation of dumbed down people who need little than some sybolism to march into war….without cold facts or transparency in government. ” posted by H
How about that big hole in lower Manhattan for “symbolism”. And before you start with the “no AQ in Iraq” mantra, That entire region is infested with the virus that breeds animals who believe the best WMD is a ten year old boy who walks up to a crowd of civilians and pushes a button. Need I remind you that Saddam was paying bounty to the families of suicide bombers who were blowing up restaurants and markets in Israel (which, BTW, had claim to that little piece of land thousands of years before Mohammed started writing books about killing infidels and marrying 9 year olds.)

Posted by: Greg H | September 11, 2007, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm

Greg H,
Are you from NYC??? have you ever been here. We are a pretty tolerant city even after not 1 but two terrorist attacks.
who are you speaking for? how about the cowardess of two draft dodgers (bush and cheney) who use lies and corruption to increase profits for special interests?
this is a direct parallel to Vietnam – Katrina disaster is to the war in Iraq as Jim Crow and Civil Rights struggle is to Vietnam. we can’t take care of our own.
Our beautiful country and system of government has been temporarily hi-jacked by criminals. looking forward to anyone but Bush or Cheney in 08.

Posted by: matt | September 11, 2007, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm

“H” We can have WMD’s because we don’t have suicidal visions of starting armagheddon to precipitate some lost Imam crawling out of a well to restore a world caliphate. Other than ending WWII and saving countless lives on our side (the good guys), our sense of Christian decency, and desire not to kill ourselves with MAD, has kept us from using nukes in the last 60 odd years. However, I don’t believe that “mutually assured destruction” would work on a nutcase who believes his virgins are awaiting him on the other side of the mushroom cloud.

Posted by: Greg H | September 11, 2007, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm

GREG H – “How about that big hole in lower Manhattan”
—–and that has to do with IRAQ HOW?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Posted by: h | September 11, 2007, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm

Matt…… Ummm Bush was in the National Guard. Don’t know about Cheney and don’t care. They never got their office or position promoting their military service – That was your war hero John (I wrote my own purple heart commondation)Kerry. Have you served this country…. You don’t have to answer / we can tell by your previous post…

Posted by: River Veteran | September 11, 2007, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm

River Veteran,
I salute your service and dedication to defend this great country.
Yes, I doubt not even 100 thousands who are extremists. You are right. I have guessed and I don’t have precise facts. I don’t like to pretend like President Bush who knew for sure that Iraq had WMD and we were increasingly under the threat of mushroom cloud. Safer guess is better than twisted facts to promote hidden agenda.
We invaded a country and occupying since then who did not attack us, were not going to attack us and it’s people were not asking us to rescue them from Saddam Hussain’s regime. You are right, Saddam killed thousands of kurds using sarin gas. But guess what? It was before Saddam invaded Kuwait and he was considered our ally back then. What did we do to stop him back then? Nothing.

Posted by: Arshad | September 11, 2007, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm

GREG H….. Good post

Posted by: River Veteran | September 11, 2007, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm

Matt,
I’ve been to NYC three times this summer. Someone very important to me lives in what used to be the shadow of the WTC. I love your city, which BTW has a few conservatives still living in it.

Posted by: Greg H | September 11, 2007, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm

matt are you listening to air america and watching Bill Mahr at the same time. Clinton is the only convicted draft dodger. Bush may have used influence to get in one armed service branch instead of the other but thats hardly a draft dodger!
I thought when CBS made this story up everyone realized it was at the least a little misleading. I swear I hate people who exagerate for effect.

Posted by: ryan | September 11, 2007, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm

The hatred on this site is unreal. I cannot believe that there aren’t more educated people out there to participate in an actual discussion — on both sides of the aisle. If this is the best that America has to offer as representatives, then I guess I shouldn’t be surprised by the candidates for President.
Everything in a democracy is up for discussion, I’m not ready to give that up just yet. If you don’t like what someone has to say, that is fine, but you don’t get to whine and cry because they don’t agree. Even my 4 year old understands that, and so do the troops fighting and serving overseas. Everyone gets to have an opinion, that is what makes us rich, that is what makes us revered by other nations.

Posted by: Randi | September 11, 2007, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm

9/11 was NOT related to Iraq expect by BUSH & his buddies. There were no WMD’s in Iraq.
It’s all for the Oil & $$$ it has brought to Bush friends & family.

Posted by: Kathy | September 11, 2007, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm

ryan – You too…man. Christianity is “better” – This is the reason for the troubles in the world: The failure to recognize that like you said “All religion is flawed” – Righteous indignation will push you into a corner.
our “fringe” – you mean the “minority” opinion? the same thing that founded this country?!?!?!?!
“Imagine there’s no religion” – Joh n Lennon

Posted by: h | September 11, 2007, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm

explain how the minority opinion founded this country?

Posted by: ryan | September 11, 2007, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm

—–and that has to do with IRAQ HOW?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Posted by: h
General regional commonalities.
That, and Iraq makes a great staging area for what will be a necessary war to destroy the mother-lode of all terrorist breeding grounds directly over the eastern border.

Posted by: Greg H | September 11, 2007, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm

We don’t opress ANYONE for oil / give me a break… If we did, we would already be getting oil from Iraq / by the way companies from China, India, Vietnam, and Indonesia are the ones getting all the oil contracts from IRAQ.. NOT the United States. China is going to get the biggest share behind India.
I do respect you….

Posted by: River Veteran | September 11, 2007, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm

RYAN – The minority of England – thats what I mean.
And again, this country IS NOT CHRISTIAN – not officially anyways….
and GREG H – you didnt answer my question….

Posted by: h | September 11, 2007, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm

Kathy….. Where do you get your facts??? the Daily KO’s…… Prove your point!!!! You Can’t!!!! Show me where the US has gotten one drop of oil from Iraq….. YOU CAN’T

Posted by: River Veteran | September 11, 2007, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm

RYAN – “Remember the cheering in the streets when 3000 died on this date that is not a minority!”
But it isn’t representative of an ENTIRE POPULATION either!!!!!!

Posted by: h | September 11, 2007, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm

H
Yes this IS a Christian country and that is why we are the greatest country on Earth. Our Christian values have allowed us to prosper while retaining our moral values. How many of our founding documents reference God? How many reference Allah? How many of our founding documents state that God does not exist??
Ryan – I believe you looked at the post wrong – I AM a Christian – Apparently “H” is not.

Posted by: Greg H | September 11, 2007, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm

no but closer to a 50 50 split. then in our case where you may have 1% SECRETLY CHEERING and 99% horrified. That is the point. I’m only trying to point out that Islam is not as harmless as Christianity.

Posted by: ryan | September 11, 2007, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm

sorry for the misread Greg

Posted by: ryan | September 11, 2007, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm

I am raising a few points that has to do with fairness, justice, economics, international relationship, living to our ideals and understaning cultures that are different from us. I am not defending any religion. You guys are painting me with all kinds of color without really answering my questions.
All those conflicts we see in the world are really political or economic problems. Politicians color them saying conflict among religions because that way they can play with people’s emotion and promote their hidden agenda without much trouble. Again I am not defending any religion here. More people in the world were killed in the name of religion compared to any other. Blame all religion or countries as much as you want. But also recognize that when we killed thousands in Hiroshima or Nagasaki, we did mass murder as well. When we don’t act and allow people die in Darfur and in other places, we commit a crime as well. No one is a saint here. American people should start asking our government that explain our foreign policy in different part of the world. What’s our goal? What we are doing to achieve them? What are our policy? How much it cost? And how those policies serve our interest. Other wise this country will remain hostage to neocons like Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld and people will keep paying the price.

Posted by: Arshad | September 11, 2007, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm

Bye All, I’ve said my piece. I have more important places to be now. It’s been fun

Posted by: Greg H | September 11, 2007, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm

River Veteran – what’s your point? You listed a bunch of things that happened that everyone knows about, but you failed to list all the soldiers who lost their lives on a daily basis. You also failed to mention all the times that the Bush Administration has lied to the American people? If your point is to say that all the bad things that have happened, i.e. the things you listed, have been going on for years and that Obama, because he does not have any political experience is thus not qualified, your argument is not valid. If political experience dictates the future then I’m really glad he has very little and I’ll give you a couple of examples as to why. Example #1: As Sec. of Defense for George H.W. Bush Dick Cheney states that going into Iraq would be a big quagmire. He had been in politics since at least Ford when he made that comment and yet, with all his experience, he decides it would be a good idea after all to go into Iraq…oh, and we’ll bring Haliburton along with us. Example #2: Donald Rumsfeld and all his political experience (he’s been Sec of Defense twice and…get this…he preceded Cheney as Ford’s Chief of Staff!)
So River Veteran, if your argument is that experience dictates success, those two examples are living proof that it doesn’t and that we need to start thinking differently.
I also looked up George Soros – he’s written some books on Capitalism and donated some money to have Bush defeated in the 2004 campaign, but I’m not really sure how he makes me a hypocrite. If you could teach me I’m wiling to learn.

Posted by: Pat Riot | September 11, 2007, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm

Islam must go thru the necessary reforms to bring about the desired change to be a viable religion. Christianity has done this for the most part.
Why has this religion made no real progress over such a long time?

Posted by: ryan | September 11, 2007, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm

GREG H – “Yes this IS a Christian country”
Funny – saying it is doesn’t make it true.
RYAN – “I’m only trying to point out that Islam is not as harmless as Christianity. ”
WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?! Harmless how, the child molestations in the Catholic church, the crusades, the witch burning, the homophobia, the intolerance??? HARMLESS?!?! Christianity has its good points, but don’t pretend ANY dogmatic system doesn’t have horrible downsides…….
In my view religion is control, religion is segregation and religion is harmful to the population when practiced in an organized fashion.

Posted by: H | September 11, 2007, 5:58 pm 5:58 pm

I too believe religion is a control. I just believe in the lesser of two evils.

Posted by: ryan | September 11, 2007, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm

Since WHEN? There are swamps FULL of mosquitos all over the world – swamps which existed before Bush was even governor of Texas!!!
Why were there so many mosquitos in Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Iran, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Gaza Strip..West Bank…Kosovo…etc…etc..etc….
PuhhhLEEEZE – as if all the threats, disasters, etc started in January, 2001.

Posted by: Jan H | September 11, 2007, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm

ryan – you have your lesser of two evils – I’ll stick with not following the religious line altogether. Catholic priests and Cardinals needent “cheer in the streets” – their silence is damaging enough.
Frankly I hate this Obama guy too

Posted by: h | September 11, 2007, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm

what pagan influence? Masons?

Posted by: ryan | September 11, 2007, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm

Blind faith is the most dangerous thing
Why did this devolve into n argument about theology? I just hate the Petreaus report coming out today…..

Posted by: h | September 11, 2007, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm

H
I agree but there is a big difference between silence and cheering!I am simply being argumentative. I vote republican because they are closer to me now a days but I too beleive libertarianism is the line that connects both left and right.
i think Ron is screwed though.

Posted by: ryan | September 11, 2007, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm

RYAN – I agree with you on Libertarianism – and its a shame he is screwed, especially if Diebold has to make the cuts in votes for the Republican party…..but truth is he prolly wont make the nomination – regardless, I’m voting for him in the primary and urge you to as well…..even though the past two elections were as shady as I have seen….and I’m talking about first-hand experience….not media hype

Posted by: h | September 11, 2007, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm

H
The difference is that christians don’t always recognize that passage where islam is following Hamarabi’s Code still.

Posted by: ryan | September 11, 2007, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm

christianity being more right? are you kidding me, anyone who makes a claim to know what happens in the afterlife is delusional. Wake up and read a science book.

Posted by: jason | September 11, 2007, 6:23 pm 6:23 pm

H
I live in Georgia so I’m pretty sure Fred is going to win regardless

Posted by: ryan | September 11, 2007, 6:23 pm 6:23 pm

Science is also guilty of KNOWING there is no afterlife. That too is dillusional

Posted by: Ryan | September 11, 2007, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm

religion = mind control.
Varying levels of mind control doesn’t change the fact that it is all sheep herding techniques. I don’t care what book or what Code…..

Posted by: h | September 11, 2007, 6:28 pm 6:28 pm

RYAN – “Science is also guilty of KNOWING there is no afterlife. That too is dillusional”
What are you talking about – I’ve never heard such claims!!!!
NO ONE KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT AFTERLIFE…..

Posted by: H | September 11, 2007, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm

Ryan, I hear ya, no problem, I dont claim that I know there is or is not an afterlife, but I think it is pretty foolish to make a claim either way. Anyone ever read Stranger in a Strange Land, thats an interesting take on an afterlife.

Posted by: jason | September 11, 2007, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm

H
I am not familiar with the video response. Fred is a real player though. I hope I’ll be voting for Rudy over hillary. I think thats the closest to libertarian we’re going to get.

Posted by: ryan | September 11, 2007, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm

claiming you know for certain there is or is not an afterlife is foolish

Posted by: ryan | September 11, 2007, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm

I’m simply saying that Tom Cruise is as right as the pope and Einstein on this subject.

Posted by: ryan | September 11, 2007, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm

Why don’t you vote for who you think is best rather than who you “get” from your master-party….we are all slaves to this corrupt system at this point.
Anyone here, please research the Federal Reserve and understand why Ron Paul hopes to eliminate it – that is the first step to breaking the chains of big government……

Posted by: H | September 11, 2007, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm

RYAN – Where did SCIENCE claim no afterlife?

Posted by: H | September 11, 2007, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm

H
I will in the primary
But I will not write anyone in so eventually you must compromise your theory and vote for the reality.
Hillary or Rudy
Fred
Mit ? who will it be?

Posted by: ryan | September 11, 2007, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm

science has claimed both at diffrent times.

Posted by: ryan | September 11, 2007, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm

Talking about wagging the dog! I agree with Obama 100% in that September 11th has absolutly nothing to do with the war we inflicted upon Iraq and the disgraceful loss of lives amoung our brave American troops, not to metion the utter cost to our international reputaion as well as our pocket-books. Bush along with Petraeus have managed to staged yet another episode of the republican war propaganda!

Posted by: wee are 1 | September 11, 2007, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm

“science has claimed both at diffrent times”
Where? Never heard such a thing.

Posted by: H | September 11, 2007, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm

The truth about 9/11 is coming soon….The uneducated will be the only ones surprised. The fall of wtc 7 was impossible. Get the facts…facts don’t come from pundits or the 4 USA TV corporations. A harsh reality that alot of people have already realized is coming to kick the blind straight in the forehead. Your government kills innocent people to perpetuate it’s greedy goals. Lights, Camera, Revolution….have fun

Posted by: losers | September 11, 2007, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm

Before General Petraeus even had his opportunity to testify before the politicians – the Democrats had their “outside groups” – see above – slander General Petraeus as a liar.

Posted by: Joe Smith | September 11, 2007, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm

I’m not saying Bush “Knew” or “did it” – But the truth is WE DON’T KNOW THE TRUTH – and the official story is FULL of holes…..

Posted by: H | September 11, 2007, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm

Hey all you lefties out there-just remember the rights of the Americans who dissent is protected by those who are braver than they….

Posted by: Phantom | September 11, 2007, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm

JOE SMITH – “The only reason you state you want to catch Osama Bin Laden is because so far, we have been unable to locate him”
WHAT?!?!?! Couldn’t have been that he claimed responsibilty for the attacks?!?!?! Your generalizations aren’t making you look too bright.

Posted by: H | September 11, 2007, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm

And I will use the full advantage of that right – and I am grateful – and I know the cost. Do you know the cost of ignoring dissent?

Posted by: H | September 11, 2007, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm

So many of you show that you have no minds of your own. You might be (foolishly) thinking that repeatedly spewing the talking points of Limbaugh, Coultier, and Hannity makes you sound intelligent, but in reality, you’re making yourselves out to be the most ignorant “Americans.” Thanks for making our country look so ridiculous, you fools.

Posted by: carleiu | September 11, 2007, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm

Iraq equals Al Qaeda. Sadaam Hussein attacked America on 9-11 so what is wrong with symbolizing this. Cheney proved that Sadaam organized and funding the attack.

Posted by: Republican Fool | September 11, 2007, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm

Obama is an idiot. The Democrat-controlled Congress voted (meaning Hillary also voted) to have the hearings today.

Posted by: Mike | September 11, 2007, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm

PHANTOM – “Hey all you lefties out there-just remember the rights of the Americans who dissent is protected by those who are braver than they…. ”
What do you think should be done about the ones who served and now dissent?

Posted by: Strider | September 11, 2007, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm

Before Bush took office, Iraq was a center of terror activities and was secretly run by Al Qaeda. Now it is a democracy and there is no terror anymore. The surge proves the more troops, the safer the country, so we need to keep adding more troops, maybe up to 1.7 or 1.8 million. Anyone who accepts less than 1.5 million US troops in Iraq is a traitor and a cut and runner. Why is this so hard for liberals to comprehend. It’s not like we have to pay for it.

Posted by: Republican Fool | September 11, 2007, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm

So this is what we can expect when Democrats are in charge. How enlightening!
Even Ron Paul looks better suited to run that Senate.

Posted by: DannoJyD | September 11, 2007, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm

All you who think nothing is getting done. You all need to get off your lazy armchair quarter-backing recliner and go to Iraq and see for yourself. Enlist! I still have friends there right now, things are not good but they sure are not near as bad as they were. I have all kinds of thank-you notes from Iraq citizens. Time for everybody to quit drinking kool-aid and put your lip service into an effort that can actually change something. Hoorah!

Posted by: soldier | September 11, 2007, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm

Don’t have time to read all the truther junk here so maybe someone has already posted this–Harry Reid was the one who requested that hearings be held on September 11. I’m sure he did it knowing full well that people would blame Bush. And you truthers out there should read the new book debunking all your favorite myths, as well as the History Channel’s debunking. But then you’d have to come to grips with reality wouldn’t you–what a shame that would be…

Posted by: Mary | September 11, 2007, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm

Republican Fool,
I’ll not bother to copy your rubbish but I will refute it.
It has been proven without a doubt that Saddam and Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with 9-11. I will repeat for those who are still too dense to realize this – THERE IS NO CONNECTION BETWEEN SADDAM/IRAQ AND 9-11 !!!!!

Posted by: Strider | September 11, 2007, 7:41 pm 7:41 pm

I believe you Strider.Petrauis stated that very fact today……As for Osama,I mean Obama.he should go home,his wife doesn,t respect him and neither do I.

Posted by: ericas stephens | September 11, 2007, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm

I just hope people will wake up and see the junior senator for the empty shirt and political hack that he is. The last thing our great country needs is his inexperience and seemingly simplistic view of the world in the White House.
His performance and treatment (and that of his collegues) of GEN. Petraeus totally disgusts me. I hope all of you who voted for this “change” in congress are happy with the result

Posted by: Rod Mann | September 11, 2007, 7:45 pm 7:45 pm

MARY – That History channel piece was rediculous…..How do you label someone an “expert” then have them say “it just doesn’t make sense” and take it hook line sinker???
The Popular Mechanics fools claim WTC7 fell due to center damage, that they saw photos – So where are the photos?!?!?!?!
They also claim (via radio interview after the piece) that there is more pentagon footage that they were able to see – WHY HASN’T THE PUBLIC SEEN THIS FOOTAGE THEN???
Watch that History Channel piece carefully – they blow past the most important arguements and use an “experts” opinion as fact….

Posted by: H | September 11, 2007, 7:46 pm 7:46 pm

Obama’s comments are so self-evidently correct that the many “refutations” posted here begin to look frighteningly like some kind of orchestrated campaign. It’s not possible to believe that a random sample of respondents can be that idiotically wrong headed, and yet so similar.

Posted by: Jon | September 11, 2007, 7:47 pm 7:47 pm

Rod – “The last thing our great country needs is his inexperience and seemingly simplistic view of the world in the White House.”
As compared to what? The the inexperienced simpleton that’s in the WH now?

Posted by: Strider | September 11, 2007, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm

There is no direct link between Al Qaeda, Iraq and 9/11 … but Al Qaeda is in Iraq now and they are fueling the problems there.
In addition, there were many in-direct links between Al Qaeda and Iraq before 9/11 and the concern AFTER 9/11 is that Saddam might work with Al Qaeda and use WMD’s …
…after 9/11 we could no longer take that risk. That is common sense.

Posted by: Dr. Robert Weed | September 11, 2007, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm

MARY – Did you buy the Government story about WACO Texas as well? Are you that easily fooled?
Not saying I have the answers – just that the OFFICIAL 9/11 report is retarded in the face of all the legitamte questions out there…..

Posted by: H | September 11, 2007, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm

Obama is just another liberal idiot. Who cares what he says.

Posted by: Jimmy | September 11, 2007, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm

What? Looking for ANOTHER day off Senator.

Posted by: Larsinkima | September 11, 2007, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm

Jon – interesting observation. I’d noticed things seemed a bit lop-sided and uniformed too.

Posted by: Strider | September 11, 2007, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm

Please before any of you support Obama kindly read his book. If you still think this man had the depth to be commander in chief, you should excuse yourself from your voting right by reason of insanity.
This is written by a Democrat of 30 years.

Posted by: Boardrider | September 11, 2007, 7:54 pm 7:54 pm

Gee Doc,
I didn’t know that. Where can I look up info about those links between Iraq and Al-Qaeda?

Posted by: Strider | September 11, 2007, 7:57 pm 7:57 pm

Why are the hearings held on Sept. 11th? Whose hosting the hearings? Who owns the house? DEMOCRATS. Its all for the cameras Senator…chastise your leaders Pelosi and Reid.

Posted by: Michael Montague | September 11, 2007, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm

For all you Dems, if you want to surrender in Iraq there is a way to do it through your legislators, urge them to cut the funding for the war. Remember the President doe not control the purse strings. Contrary to popular belief, the American public does not want to lose the war. Just like VietNam, we didn’t lose, Congress shut off funding and we had to leave.

Posted by: Larry | September 11, 2007, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm

United we stand; Divided we fall. And folks, we aren’t united. The only candidate for CIC who’s talking about uniting our country is Obama. Love to watch a GOP debate and hear something besides abortion and “Jesus Christ is my personal Lord and Savior.” Maybe they could think like Obama.

Posted by: Philip E. | September 11, 2007, 8:02 pm 8:02 pm

Obama for president!!! HELL NO he is An idiot!! He doesn’t anything about politic..Hussein was given 2500 dlrs. to the family of the kids how kill them selfs
when they kill Israels.. And SOME OF YOU FORGOT ABOUT THE KURDS THAT HUSSEIN KILL THE GAS!!!!!!!

Posted by: raul | September 11, 2007, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm

I grew weary of the Obama sales pitch from some Liberals (as here) about his vast intelligence in comparison with the rest of us. I have an IQ over 130 — it’s not genius level but it’s closer to genius than average — so I generally can comprehend most issues well and correspond reasonably about what I understand.
So I ask those here who rely on the “Obama-has-a-bigger-brain” (than Conservatives, than Republicans) ruse to explain specifically why you think that he does. His degrees and that he’s in the Senate do not prove or substantiate a “big brain” any more than my 130 IQ proves I’m Einstein.
Based upon Obama’s negative and resentful (and inaccurate, so there’s room here to question his intent and his character) performance (and it was theatrical) today, I doubt that he’s proven anything close to “big brains” so much as little emotional range.
Brains/IQ don’t make one mature nor insightful, necessarily. Intelligence certainly assists some insights that the lesser-thans don’t perceive, but it’s not a qualification, necessarily, for being right or wrong about much of anything, without a great deal of academic effort to discover and substantiate whatever’s of issue.
In this case, it’s our U.S. military work in the Middle East. Obama is no military man/person, he has no experience whatsoever in these regards, and, he’s vastly overaffected by Socialist politics — that has as it’s basis that anything not Marxist/communist is essentially anathema to Socialism. So, Obama is coming from a negative place as to trust and faith in ANY action by the U.S. military because they are, primarily, a non-revolutionary organization. He’s not going to be in a trusting place, so to speak, right off the base, and he’s going to perceive (as he does) U.S. military deployment with more suspicion than the average American (who may or may not have bigger brains than Obama).
His comments today were entirely wasteful. His energy, so to speak, was entirely negative and unadmirable. His purpose today appears to have been to promote the rewritten U.S. history that his politics depends upon (“the U.S. is ‘bad’”).
Entirely the appearance and posture — and words — of a little brain, not a big one.

Posted by: Republican | September 11, 2007, 8:11 pm 8:11 pm

For the record ahem-We can all say bush is epitomy of evil because of iraq- Here is what I pose to you the readers of these comments today, Are you holding anyone else responsible besides the president? Like, oh I don’t know, CONGRESS? Obama enough of your rhetoric, you continue to to put blame on one person, are the members of this congress just a bunch mindless robots who do the bidding of Evil Bush? They do have brains and hearts to create their own bills don’t they? im really surprised the dems haven’t done more to stymie the president, i mean, come on, it’s your choice to mr obama, with your senators. pass a bill you want and let bush yell at you all the day long. I for one am tired of nothing being done, encourage members of congress to do something mr obama, instead of blaming bush all the day long. Or are you chicken and can’t take the heat from ol’e Pres Bush? Mr obama, Idlers will never eat the good of the land unless they do something. Get to work and stop wasting your money on running for office and show us what a real man you are by doing your role in the halls of congress you phoney.

Posted by: Karl | September 11, 2007, 8:12 pm 8:12 pm

Raul,
Yes Saddam may have given money to the Palestinian bombers families, so what? That has nothing to do with al-qaeda.
btw – where did Saddam get that poison gas from?

Posted by: Strider | September 11, 2007, 8:13 pm 8:13 pm

We need to hold Wolfowitz and the federal resever responsible – If you don’t know why then vote for a mainstream cadidate like a fool….
RON PAUL!!!!!

Posted by: H | September 11, 2007, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm

Obama is a rookie senator and it shows. He has NO foreign policy expertise and zero credibility. The only thing he can brag about is that Oprah supports him. Wow.

Posted by: Richard Williams | September 11, 2007, 8:16 pm 8:16 pm

I tell you this, America did not start this. We were attacked 6 years ago today, and if you think we leave Iraq tomorrow and this all will go away, you are as blind as the deocrats running for president. I can’t fathom how ignorant we have become as a nation. we freely elect people to be our voice and forget to keep tabs on what they are doing. we complain about what our troops are doing in Iraq, but fail to enlist and join me there to make a difference. If any of you really want to bring our troops home I suggest you be willing to pick up a weapon, and prepare to defend your home, beacuse thats is exactly what you will be bringing to the shores of this nation. as soon as we leave Iraq they will come here. Try to read up on the enemy we face today, being that they are so politicaly correct that they are willing to cut someones head off. read their relegion and see how far they are willing to go to convert you to Islam. when you are educated on the facts at hand then you will have earned the right to post an opinion until then SHUT UP!

Posted by: rob | September 11, 2007, 8:27 pm 8:27 pm

Entirely the appearance and posture — and words — of a little brain, not a big one.
Posted by: Republican
Who? Obama? Or you? That took a lot of wasted words to get to your point!
Just so you know – I’m in your IQ bracket too.
BTW – has anybody bothered to find out what the other members on that panel said today? They all took their turn making opening statements.
Get over it. Obama has his take on the subject. If you like it vote for him, if you don’t, stop whining and don’t vote for him. Vote for that hillbilly Fred instead.

Posted by: Strider | September 11, 2007, 8:29 pm 8:29 pm

Rob,
I’m up on the facts so if you’ll permit me;
Exactly who is this “they” who will come here?

Posted by: Strider | September 11, 2007, 8:33 pm 8:33 pm

SHAME ON OUR CONGRESS AND SHAME ON OBAMA. WHEN HAS HE SERVED IN OUR MILITARY AND WHY DOES HE THINK HE KNOWS MORE THAN THE GENERALS?
I’M DISGUSTED BY THE WHOLE LOT IN WASHINGTON, DC. WE NEED TO FIRE ALL OF THEM. THEY ARE DISPICABLE!
IT’S ALL ABOUT POLITICS AND HOW THEY CAN GET ELECTED RATHER THAN WHAT IS BEST FOR OUR COUNTRY. SHAME, SHAME, SHAME.

Posted by: SHIRLEY | September 11, 2007, 8:38 pm 8:38 pm

no one has mentioned the koran? have you forgot history, ONE WORLD calipate is an old idea, read what hodibayia wrote of a hudna, the battle of tours, lapanto, 9/11 1683 and jan Sobieski… this is a dangerous ideaology until you understand it you are doomed, read what happened in Cappadocea in 650 AD

Posted by: alaska | September 11, 2007, 8:40 pm 8:40 pm

Just political posturing. If the dem’s wanted to do something on Iraq they would. They are playing both sides to appeal to their fringe.

Posted by: Charles | September 11, 2007, 8:40 pm 8:40 pm

What an ignoramus.

Posted by: No Rino's | September 11, 2007, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm

It’s a shame that we went to war with Iraq based on lies. It truly is. They should have been honest with us and told us the REAL reason we invaded Iraq. I think the American people would have been divided over the issue, but at least we would have drawn the line in the sand THEN and gotten all of this crap out of the way. It’s obvious that we were and are fighting an enemy that is not a nation-state. It’s hard to fight a war against shadows, and weak-minded extremists who hide behind a so-called “peaceful” religion and innocent women and children. We had to call them out and we needed somwhere to do it. Why not Iraq? It’s the perfect central location to draw out the infestation of extremists, as well as to help define on a global level the countries that support these losers.
President Bush should admit that he made poor choices and even make a public apology. Im ashamed of his administration’s handling of things and the corruption that has been birthed from it. An honest apology would truly help repair this country. Honesty is the best solution here.
That being said.. Obama and his crew need to understand the bigger picture here. Edwards, Clinton and Obama remind me of school children. How dare Obama critisize General Patraeus in that manner? Little school children talking smack about their teachers. The world doesn’t revolve around your massive ego Obama. It will NEVER revolve around you. Open your eyes to the bigger picture here. You and your socialist cronies are already ripping this country apart. I fear the day that you become President of this nation. Going on and on and on about the lies that the Administration told is grating and counter-productive. If they HAVN’T apologized at this point they are not going to do it. So move on and start using that “big brain”. Stop being so partyline.. stop following the hollywood version of american politics. Do your job and come up with solutions. Your rhetoric is old and tired.

Posted by: Kris | September 11, 2007, 8:45 pm 8:45 pm

HAHA. The Republicans are going to get their %&% handed to them unlike any other party in the history of this country in the next election. The American people are tired of this war and you best bet theyre going to eliminate every republican that is even slightly vulnerable. Watch Republicans in the house will equal only 160-180 and the Senate 30-35.

Posted by: HAHA | September 11, 2007, 8:47 pm 8:47 pm

alaska – “this is a dangerous ideaology until you understand it you are doomed”
Same could be said for the Catholics, they believe all unconverted people will go to hell. All faiths have strong and weak points however, most people of faith are not terrorists.

Posted by: Strider | September 11, 2007, 8:51 pm 8:51 pm

tell me how many catholics or for that matter anyone of faith other than islam who straps bombs on their bodies? in 1949 they where given pakistan now they want more, tell me one non islamic country bordering a islamic one that does not experience terror? no read, read a lot you will find out what an apostate faces in islam, or what a clitorectomy is, a jizya, taquiya,ever wonder what hindu kush means the hindu slaughter thanks to tamerlaine…america had to first build an offenseve navy in 1800 because of slave taking and other atrocitiies against us, in 1815 Madison had to revisit it….knowledge is power…

Posted by: alaska | September 11, 2007, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm

Obama has no chance in hell this is all futile. I have an IQ of 170 so what I say matters.
lol

Posted by: ryan | September 11, 2007, 9:00 pm 9:00 pm

Your rhetoric is old and tired.
Posted by: Kris
Same back at ya pal.
There weren’t any terrorists in Iraq until after we deposed Saddam. We were fighting them in Afghanistan but that venture has long since been left to rot. We could fight them in Saudi Arabia (16 of 19 9/11 hijackers came from there) or in Pakistan (which is the home to the heart and soul of al-qaeda) but we call them our allies in the war on terror?!?
So who in the hell is the real enemy here?

Posted by: Strider | September 11, 2007, 9:01 pm 9:01 pm

As a Canadian I have no dogs in this race.
However, I have to say, the Democratic talking points on here are infantile.
Name-calling is not a solid argument.
Is Mr. Bush running for President again in 2008? Did I miss an amendment to yourConstitution?

Posted by: Paul | September 11, 2007, 9:01 pm 9:01 pm

I must say that I am most concerned for America by the hate and spiteful comments of the vast majority of these comments – regardless of the point of view or perspective.
Most are simply hateful and negative – thus are not much worth the reading – really just reminds me of both today’s politics and today’s federal government – mostly useless, mostly self-serving!
We should as individual Americans lay down the hate and spite, and stand up and hold our federal and local governments – meaning the “politicians” that are supposed to represent us – responsible and accountable for action (or lack therof) and effort on our behalf. Simple words, apparently impossible in today’s hate filled America.

Posted by: Mark | September 11, 2007, 9:01 pm 9:01 pm

Bill Clinton, Albright, Berger, Hillary, Kerry, Biden, ALL MADE THE SAME, EXACTLY THE SAME ASSERTIONS ABOUT IRAQ AS RECENTLY AS THE YEAR 2000…in speeches before the UN, before the House, the Senate, to the NYT, the Networks…over and over again…do yourselves a favor and crawl out of your echo chambers.
Lied about Iraq, how idiotic and hypocritcal the left is, to do and say anything no matter how big their own lies, to accomplish their goals.

Posted by: Jesha | September 11, 2007, 9:01 pm 9:01 pm

alaska,
Did you ever here of the Crusades?

Posted by: Strider | September 11, 2007, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm

So Oobama Bora(t)ck thinks this is a failed strategy. What does he call the 25 years of failed diplomacy? Carter started us down this road, the Clintons pushed it further and now we find ourselves in a war. Failed yes, but it isn’t all on G.W.’s shoulders.

Posted by: Amach74 | September 11, 2007, 9:06 pm 9:06 pm

I am Roman Catholic and you are completley wrong. Catholics are one of the only christian denoms that don’t beleive only catholics will go to heaven. we allow jews and catholics to marry and recognize the union. Name another denom that does this.
Please don’t post ignorance some people actually take your statements as fact.

Posted by: ryan | September 11, 2007, 9:06 pm 9:06 pm

Again read a history book. islam has been agressive since 632 when mo returned to mecca from medina.. when was the first crusade 300 years after said agression, I reiterate Tours in 732AD..facts are facts….

Posted by: alaska | September 11, 2007, 9:09 pm 9:09 pm

Why does islam fail to advance and reform itself. Christianity does evolve. This is a big distenction

Posted by: ryan | September 11, 2007, 9:12 pm 9:12 pm

Obama doesn’t follow the Bush agenda, he aptly calls them out on their flawed thinking. Of course they’ll try to paint him as nieve, he’s young. The same was said for JFK and Lincoln. If you want to understand his brilliance you should read The Audacity of Hope. Or any of his policy proposals.

Posted by: Mark Morris | September 11, 2007, 9:15 pm 9:15 pm

God help us if this man becomes president.

Posted by: Carl | September 11, 2007, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm

Oh Yes, the Crusades… that “proof” that Christians are blood thirsty, tyranical hypocrites. You forget, as alasks so politely points out, that they were a direct response to militant islamic forces who were on the march to convert Europe by the sword. The Europeans were simply defending themselves.
So now we have 1500 years of failed strategy….

Posted by: Amach74 | September 11, 2007, 9:18 pm 9:18 pm

Obama doesn’t follow the Bush agenda, he aptly calls them out on their flawed thinking. Of course they’ll try to paint him as nieve, he’s young. The same was said for JFK and Lincoln. If you want to understand his brilliance you should read The Audacity of Hope. Or any of his policy proposals.

Posted by: Mark Morris | September 11, 2007, 9:18 pm 9:18 pm

Obi-Wan has been drinking from that too far left water fountain again. So let’s see we all agree that we are NOW fighting Iranian insurgence and Al Qaeda in Iraq. The democrats who complained that we should not be there in the first place say pull out now. The republicans are saying, the enemy is where our army is at, so lets fight them there, better than in the streets of the US. Obi-Wan in his vast experience says that we do not have unlimited resources. If he is referring to a draw down force to 130,000 soldiers does he realize that is only twice the number of soldiers we have in Germany and they are at peace!

Posted by: Jeff In Miami | September 11, 2007, 9:19 pm 9:19 pm

Why is this a muslam holiday and he wanted the day off due to his reglious comment. Be affraid of this one, he was raised a muslum and the only way out is death, so they say.

Posted by: Jack Kershaw | September 11, 2007, 9:20 pm 9:20 pm

I do believe having these hearings on 9/11 was just as obviously political as Obama’s opening statement.

Posted by: Kyle | September 11, 2007, 9:21 pm 9:21 pm

No Ryan….If Hill and Obama were conservatives you and your liberal ilk would be dragging them throgh the mud…that’s the way it works in la-la land. P.C. America.

Posted by: Carl | September 11, 2007, 9:28 pm 9:28 pm

Nice pose for the pic Obamma. You think that makes you look presidential don’t you?
It just makes you look like you are an idiot posing.
What a poser for the pic, and a poser with comments better suited to wackos at moveon . org.

Posted by: Darrel | September 11, 2007, 9:28 pm 9:28 pm

I’m libertarian you must have misunderstood Im simply pointin out that this discussion is ridiculus because thank god neither of these canidates are viable. If the dems put forth a real canidate we may have a problem.
The reps win if either of these two run. Guaranteed

Posted by: ryan | September 11, 2007, 9:32 pm 9:32 pm

If you vote for someone because you think he/she will win, you’re a coward in my book. It’s as if people don’t want to lose, so they’ll never really win. You should seek out who best represents you and vote.

Posted by: Mark Morris | September 11, 2007, 9:32 pm 9:32 pm

I’m going to write in howard stern so as not to be a coward.
Unfortunatley I’m not being a realist if I do that and my vote doesn’t count.
At some point in a 2 party system you have to choose and compromise. If you don’t your a moron.

Posted by: ryan | September 11, 2007, 9:36 pm 9:36 pm

Many Kudos to Senator Obama for stating the truth. It seems to me that those who have commented negatively on the Senators remarks must be watching or listening to too much FOX News or the Spin Jockeys who continue to market this unnecessary war to ill informed US citizens. I say, wake up and become informed. Read and listen to what most of the rest of the world is saying about our hegemony.

Posted by: Rachmat Martin | September 11, 2007, 9:37 pm 9:37 pm

the primary is for theory the actual election is for reality!

Posted by: ryan | September 11, 2007, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm

Ryan, Very true, sorry for the misinterpretation..

Posted by: Carl | September 11, 2007, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm

Dear Nate-
The reason no rational person believes 9/11 conspiracy theories is because what the Bush administration says or does not say about it is irrelevant. We have independent verifiable evidence that 9/11 was the result of a terrorist attack. It amazes me how someone can attempt to contort concrete facts to conform and buttress their political agenda. I’ll bet that if Bill Clinton had been president on 9/11 you would not be propounding these ludricous conspiracy theories.

Posted by: Craig | September 11, 2007, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm

Get over it! There is not,repeat NOT going to be the United States of Regan with a pepetual Republican leadership.

Posted by: Billy | September 11, 2007, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm

as far as the rest of the world comment goes.
Why would Payton Manning take QB advice from Michael Vick?
If your country has an immigration problem, meaning people are dying to get here, you probably are supperior to countries they’re leaving.

Posted by: ryan | September 11, 2007, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm

I am addressing a statement about “the rest of the world thinks”. Again read a history book. In 1890 congress was perplexed at which to build up the army or navy, as Adm. Mahon put it, and agressive navy is a must because of the threats against from europe. Times change people dont, Ceasar can tell you as he wrote about gaul hubris, in 1950 degaule was stabbing us in the back 5 yrs after WW2… so I really give a rats behind what europe thinks…

Posted by: alaska | September 11, 2007, 9:44 pm 9:44 pm

Too bad the majority of the best Dems money can buy are more interested in re-election than keeping Americans safe. Send the lot of them to the devil and let’s start over!

Posted by: Lee | September 11, 2007, 9:55 pm 9:55 pm

If you really believe that the U.S. “allowed” or “conspired to make happen” the attacks of 9/11, then you are not only blind, deaf and dumb, but also gullible and stupid.

Posted by: Al Santangelo | September 11, 2007, 10:09 pm 10:09 pm

It’s truly a sad week and no one in this country will do anything to remedy it. Polarized, venomous, aggressive, dishonorable. Dems and Reps both fall into these labels. The Dems because they are allowing this war to continue well into the the 2008 Presidential election for a clear sympathy vote at the expense of our soldiers who fight, die, or survive in Iraq every day. It’s a dispicable, unspoken truth for the ‘anti-war’ party.

Posted by: Mike | September 11, 2007, 10:12 pm 10:12 pm

I can’t believe some of you managed to even read the article, let alone make your comments. How can anything Obama said be construed as ignorant by any means is foolish and an excellent example of the kind of people that continue to support our backwater mistake of a president.

Posted by: Ryan | September 11, 2007, 10:14 pm 10:14 pm

Obama must tell us if he is a muslim or not and He says he is a Christian, why he swore on the Quran when He took office as Senator.
Obama calls our troops murderers and rapists, seems to me is a traitor and should be tried as a Traitor.

Posted by: Rick Shepgerd | September 11, 2007, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm

Obama didn’t swear in with the Koran that was Keith Ellison.

Posted by: Ryan | September 11, 2007, 10:16 pm 10:16 pm

Well I mean Keith Ellison is the only senator that swore in using the Qur’an. Because he IS Muslim.
Just in case you didn’t know, but even if Obama were Muslim it wouldn’t make him a terrorist.

Posted by: Ryan | September 11, 2007, 10:22 pm 10:22 pm

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things,the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing is worth war is much worse. the person who has nothing which he is willing to fight, nothing more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free
unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than hisself.

Posted by: alaska | September 11, 2007, 10:25 pm 10:25 pm

2,190 days without another terrorist attack on the soil of our beloved republic.

Posted by: Common Sense Warrior | September 11, 2007, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm

Is America not willing to make the sacrifices necessary to win anymore? During the invasion of Normandy more than 130,000 troops were used and over 29,000 Americans were killed in action between 6 June and 24 July. The Iraq war is about sustaining our intrest in the middle east and a fledgling democracy. How long will Americans be in Iraq supporting Iraqi democracy? Our Revolutionary War lasted from 1775 till 1783, afterward it took us years to ratify our constitution. Every war we have fought in America or oversees has been unpopular.

Posted by: Chuck | September 11, 2007, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm

Grandstanding 101. Perhaps before this election is over, this fine senator from Illinois will actually produce an idea of his own in combatting world terrorism!

Posted by: AL Bennett | September 11, 2007, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm

Rick,
calm down before you explode. It wasn’t Obama who used the Koran it was a U.S.Rep from Minnesota – who happens to be a muslim.
btw – the Koran used came from Thomas Jefferson’s collection.

Posted by: Strider | September 11, 2007, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm

Little boy Obama, the empty suit from the most corrupt state, county and city in the entire nation. Oh, did I forget to mention that he now has two fundraisers sitting in prison.

Posted by: NOZ | September 11, 2007, 10:41 pm 10:41 pm

The left in our country dont give a fig about terrorism, 9/11 or the war. They have been in a panic since Gore lost and for them 9/11 ensured they would have to suffer under Republicans and not have the Socialized Health Care System for another 6 long years. They and their 5th column cohorts in the media ensured Bush and Republicans would pay by destroying their credibility and through that, our national government itself to end the war and ensure extreme left wing hegemony. Interesting that the Democrats and Al Queda have similar goals. Traitors? If the shoe fits…

Posted by: Adam | September 11, 2007, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm

@ Drudged up:
lol, o so true, I love the Drudge report.
Some have already pointed this out/asked the question, but why is it that some candidates criticize the current administration instead of voicing their own plans for(if they get it)their 4 years in the White house(if it isn’t destroyed in any way by then)?

Posted by: Humor-bot 5000 | September 11, 2007, 10:53 pm 10:53 pm

The majority of posts here are pro-american. What scares me is the numbers of americans who vote the way Brittany Spears tells them too. God help us if they are engaged.

Posted by: No Rino's | September 11, 2007, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm

Perhaps the good senator fails to understand that the concepts of radical Islam, the extremely convoluted complications of factional fighting, religious zealotry, and all the various hands involved in global terrorism are indeed situated in Iraq. And in Saudi Arabia, and Iran, and Pakistan, and more. But I’m just a working smoe, and he’s an important political figure. Yea Bushes policies are screwed, but what exactly do the Democrats have for a plan? International cooperation? Sure, China and Russia will show their hands in this scheme, I’m sure the honorable senator knows about all that too.

Posted by: Mauricio | September 11, 2007, 11:07 pm 11:07 pm

Right on the money, Obama. There never was a link between 911 and Iraq. The timing was pure showmanship. The Republicans have become the masters of using emotion to drum up support. Primarily fear.
People, come on. How can you claim to be beating the terrorists in any way if you insist on being terrorized?

Posted by: Rob | September 11, 2007, 11:13 pm 11:13 pm

How soon we Americans forget what forced us into this war. The war in Iraq is only part of the big picture! We were told and yea it is true, this will be a LONG drawn out fight! We must stick to it or surely it will be our defeat. If we as Americans back down, we will have NO ONE to blame but OURSELVES when we are attacked again. It will not be a matter of IF but of WHEN we are attacked again. The terrorists have made that clear many times already that they want to attack again and again. Once with them is not enough. They will not stop until they have completely wiped us out. We have presidential candidates that are choosing to side with terrorists and makes me wonder if they are not terrorists too! AMERICA WAKE UP!!!!

Posted by: sensible soldier | September 11, 2007, 11:15 pm 11:15 pm

Mauricio,
Even now only about 5% of the resistance in Iraq is attributed to terrorists from outside of Iraq. And a large part of them come from Saudi Arabia. That’s the same place most of the 9/11 hijackers came from. I suggest that Saudi Arabia is the real enemy we ought to deal with and that can’t be done in Iraq.

Posted by: Strider | September 11, 2007, 11:19 pm 11:19 pm

And let me just add one of my favorite Hillary quotes. It is a classic because she is admitting that if we put troops on the ground, Saddam might use his WMDs. Well does (did) he have them or not? As stated previously, the entire world believe he had them and I for one believe they were moved into Syria. Ask Kusinich if he foudn any…
“After shots are fired and bombs are dropped, not all consequences are predictable. While the military outcome is not in doubt, should we put troops on the ground, there is still the matter of Saddam Hussein’s biological and chemical weapons. Today he has maximum incentive not to use them or give them away. If he did either, the world would demand his immediate removal. Once the battle is joined, however, with the outcome certain, he will have maximum incentive to use weapons of mass destruction and to give what he can’t use to terrorists who can torment us with them long after he is gone. We cannot be paralyzed by this possibility, but we would be foolish to ignore it.”

Posted by: Brian | September 11, 2007, 11:22 pm 11:22 pm

sensible soldier,
my last post points to the true problem, Saudi Arabia, along with Pakistan and Afghanistan. The terrorists are not (much of) the problem in Iraq.

Posted by: Strider | September 11, 2007, 11:26 pm 11:26 pm

Again, Hillary’s own words. So Senator, were there WMDs or not? Your last sentence from the Oct 2002 speech have left me hanging for years!
“Over eleven years have passed since the UN called on Saddam Hussein to rid himself of weapons of mass destruction as a condition of returning to the world community. Time and time again he has frustrated and denied these conditions. This matter cannot be left hanging forever with consequences we would all live to regret. War can yet be avoided, but our responsibility to global security and to the integrity of United Nations resolutions protecting it cannot. I urge the President to spare no effort to secure a clear, unambiguous demand by the United Nations for unlimited inspections.
And finally, on another personal note, I come to this decision from the perspective of a Senator from New York who has seen all too closely the consequences of last year’s terrible attacks on our nation. In balancing the risks of action versus inaction, I think New Yorkers who have gone through the fires of hell may be more attuned to the risk of not acting. I know that I am.
So it is with conviction that I support this resolution as being in the best interests of our nation. A vote for it is not a vote to rush to war; it is a vote that puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President and we say to him – use these powers wisely and as a last resort. And it is a vote that says clearly to Saddam Hussein – this is your last chance – disarm or be disarmed.”

Posted by: Brian | September 11, 2007, 11:30 pm 11:30 pm

Brian,
relax – there seems to be a problem with an entry posting the first time, usually works on the second attempt tho.

Posted by: Strider | September 11, 2007, 11:31 pm 11:31 pm

I love the character attacks. Shows a sign of weakness. I drink no kool-aid. I state the facts and live by them. I have loads of more quotes too would you like to see them? Makes all the dems “guilty” of going to war to so to pin this on Bush as a lie is completely nonsense. They all had the opportunity to go against it and all did not. And now because it is a tough fight, they want out. I ask you this, if no american soldier died in Iraq and, saddam was dead and democracy worked AND no WMDs were found, would this still be a disaster and would the dems still want us out? Or, would they be tauting it as a success that they voted for?

Posted by: Brian | September 11, 2007, 11:37 pm 11:37 pm

OK, now that I have mastered copy and paste, I can sleep. Remember, we are all in this together. Do something to support a service member and pray that more Al Queda die on the battlefields of Iraq to pay for what they did 6 years ago today.

Posted by: Brian | September 11, 2007, 11:40 pm 11:40 pm

The terrorists are still a problem in Iraq. They are coming from nearby Iraqi countries to train Iraqis and anyone else willing to listen (including someone so-called US citizens!) to fight us and cause distrubtion of something they see as a threat – freedom!!

Posted by: sensible soldier | September 11, 2007, 11:41 pm 11:41 pm

losers – you said WTC 7 was impossible. Not only was it possible, it was inevitable. Several of the lower floors were severely damaged from the fall of the towers (your conspiracy films neglect to show that side of the building). Also, there were fires raging on several floors for hours. These two facts are what led to its collapse.

Posted by: MrReasonable | September 11, 2007, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm

The reasons there are people who believe in the War in Iraq is a just war is because there are many good loyal American people who believed in the Goodness of our Leadership. That they believe that our Government is protecting all of US and they know better how to protect US. Yes Obama is blunt with his views of the polictics of the War, but he believes that there is another way to make peace and capture the real forgotten Enemy. There are so many Good Iraq people that are tired of living in a War zone that America has declared. We must find another combat field of the Terror Centers. al-Qaeda is the real enemy and it does not live in Iraq. PS: al-Qaeda is also a virtual terminology of terror centers and is also found to be networked in the US itself.

Posted by: John Sydney Yamane | September 11, 2007, 11:45 pm 11:45 pm

Hey, unfortunately the politics are what is really getting in the way with solving this mess. The right sees things moving forward, the left sees Vietnam and unfortunately the troops are over there doing what they think is necessary to bring peace to a messed up country.
I understand Bush had the best intent, taking out an anti-American dictator who routinely killed thousands of his own people. Unfortunately you have hundreds of thousands of people who have not solved much throughout their history without a rifle or bomb.
I just wish that both parties can actually listen and move fast to get us out with the least bloodshed. TWO EARS, ONE MOUTH! Use accordingly.

Posted by: Bdubya | September 11, 2007, 11:46 pm 11:46 pm

It is true there are people living in the US that align themselves with al-Qaeda. But we already have a system in place to deal with them. Iraq did not and is working on changing that now that Saddam is and the terrorists are not a threat there. We must finish the job and continue on to the next problem. As we WERE told this will be a long uphill fight and battle. Wars are never easy! Suck it up like a man and quit your complaining!!!

Posted by: sensible soldier | September 11, 2007, 11:51 pm 11:51 pm

Obama/Osama in ’08 …What a Democrat dream ticket..

Posted by: No Rino's | September 11, 2007, 11:57 pm 11:57 pm

It’s all about the oil. If you believe in sacrificing American soldiers and Iraqi civilians to enrich American oil companies, then support this war.

Posted by: Global Engineer | September 11, 2007, 11:58 pm 11:58 pm

You people are all over the map! Get a grip!
ABC – one of the big five that owns you and tells you what to think.
Read a book and save your life…

Posted by: spike the Poet | September 12, 2007, 12:02 am 12:02 am

Hey Global Engineer, if it’s all about oil…why don’t we just take it from Qatar? we are already there..or better yet..drill in Anwar…or off the Cali coast? Or Saudi Arabia? Your arguments lack intellectual reason to say the least.

Posted by: No Rino's | September 12, 2007, 12:03 am 12:03 am

Bdubya,
I find it strange agreeing with someone by that name but – you are most correct. The real problem seems to be in finding a solution to the Iraqi mess so that we can return to fighting the “war on terror”.

Posted by: Strider | September 12, 2007, 12:05 am 12:05 am

spike the Poet, Read a book? Regurgitate someones else’s crap? how about think on your own?

Posted by: No Rino's | September 12, 2007, 12:07 am 12:07 am

OK, its not 100% about the oil. It’s also about raiding the US treasury.

Posted by: Global Engineer | September 12, 2007, 12:11 am 12:11 am

Global Engineer is correct, it is truly about the oil. Want proof? Don’t you find it odd that we rarely hear anything about all that oil under their desert?
Are you aware that the Iraqis do not want to pass the “oil law”, the one that gives the lions share of their oil to Big Oil? Has there been any other reason given that hasn’t been proved wrong?

Posted by: Strider | September 12, 2007, 12:12 am 12:12 am

Global Engineer, Yea, I am sure it all about oil..because as the world only superpower we could not just DRILL for it, or take it from weaker countries through force, and not pay a dime for it like the civilians in kuwait do.

Posted by: No Rino's | September 12, 2007, 12:14 am 12:14 am

G.E.
We shouldn’t worry about the treasury because it will be replenished when Big Oil pays their taxes on all that Iraqi oil they bring here – right? LOL

Posted by: Strider | September 12, 2007, 12:16 am 12:16 am

it’s ashame,this man would complain,i didn’t like,obama using the 4th of
july and memorial day,to campaign and have fundraisers,but he did it.
ya know,sometimes,people should get the spot out their own eye,before judging others,cause he taken plenty holiday’s
for his campaign,when people,could have been spending it with their families..
DUH..Obama,just wanna be in the
spotlight,with his picture,hoping to gain morer votes.
SORRY,I’M VOTING FOR FRED
I DON’T HAVE TIME FOR THIS MESS.

Posted by: tee_bid | September 12, 2007, 12:16 am 12:16 am

No Rinos,
If we already have Qatar on our side why worry about their oil?
We are taking it from a weaker country, one that has the second largest reserves known. That country is Iraq.

Posted by: Strider | September 12, 2007, 12:21 am 12:21 am

Strider,
I’ll bet that if the Iraqis ever do submit to the US and pass the oil law, we’ll declare victory shortly afterwards.

Posted by: Global Engineer | September 12, 2007, 12:25 am 12:25 am

Big oil companies buy drilling rights to the oil fields. Under Sadamm those oil companies would have been Russian oil companies or French oil companies. Now those big oil companies will be Texaco, Exxon and Amoco. The Iraqi government gets the money for the oil rights either way, but the oil money from these companies will now benefit the Iraqi people instead of buying sports cars for Uday and Qusay or building palaces for Sadamm or funding terrorist in Palestine. It is also better for America when our oil companies control oil supplies instead of Chinese/Iranians/Russians or French.

Posted by: Chuck | September 12, 2007, 12:28 am 12:28 am

Strider, If we are taking the oil…why am I paying $3.00 a gallon for it? Oh let me guess… it’s the Evil corporations. Of course NOT the goverment taxation of .50 cents a gallon who hold a gun to our heads and say PAY ME! and do NOTHING to mine, process and refine the fuel that drives the engine of the world’s economy. And the free market, I am sure is just a slave to the whims of the evil CEO’s that employ thousands of Americans? Do I have that right?

Posted by: No Rino's | September 12, 2007, 12:30 am 12:30 am

The article is one-sided. Senator Obama in the story accused the general of Punting the Ball, not directly answering questions.
So what was the question he asked, and what was the answer he was not satisfied with?

Posted by: Scott | September 12, 2007, 12:30 am 12:30 am

What does a damn democrat congressman and Hillary too know about runningh a military? Kiss off clowns in D.C.

Posted by: Willy Brown | September 12, 2007, 12:31 am 12:31 am

Chuck,
OK, we need oil. Actually, I think we need economical energy, but that’s different line of argument. I think we have to ask ourselves many lives is it worth to get our hands on some more oil.

Posted by: Global Engineer | September 12, 2007, 12:32 am 12:32 am

The reason Obama did not want this hearing on 9/11 is because he wanted to use the day to campaign. So he used the hearing to grandstand, when the point of the hearing (the date of which was set by the Democrats) was to listen to the general. But he doesn’t want to listen to anybody. The more I see of
this guy the less I like about him.
Strider and GE, if this war was about oil only, then why did Hillary, Kerry, Kennedy, Pelosi and others all say we had to go in there? Are they wanting the oil only too? If Bush lied, then so did they. I guarantee that if Obama had been in the senate, he would have voted for the war too. The Democrats vote whichever way they think the wind is blowing, they seem to have no principles. They vote unanimously for Petraus and this mission, set the date for his report, then trash him before he even gives it. They are trying to divide this country, and they hope it is divided in their favor – winning elections is more important to them than doing what is right. Why else would they vote for a guy and a mission, then turn around and undermine him and the mission before it is finished?

Posted by: MrReasonable | September 12, 2007, 12:35 am 12:35 am

No Rino’s,
I’m sorry I just can’t follow any of your arguments. I hope you’re happy in your world.

Posted by: Global Engineer | September 12, 2007, 12:35 am 12:35 am

Its worth a lot. Oil is a strategic product. Control of oil can be used as a weapon. All the President has to do is tell American oil companies that they are not allowed to sell oil to a certain country, and it will quickly cripple them. Putin of Russia has did this to Western Europe 2 years in a row to get his way.

Posted by: Chuck | September 12, 2007, 12:39 am 12:39 am

OK, its not just about oil (Operation Iraqi Liberation — get it?) and about the raid on the treasury. It’s also about distracting the American people. From what? From the attack on the Constitution, from the destructive effects of globalism, from the corruption of the politicians. I’m tired. Going to bed. I gotta engineer a globe tomorrow.

Posted by: Global Engineer | September 12, 2007, 12:40 am 12:40 am

Senator Obama spent his entire time selling his political platform instead of really asking a question. If he was really concerned about whats really going on in Iraq, he would have asked a good question from General Petreaus, that was the purpose of the briefing, not face time for candidate Obama to sell his opinion, if we want to know his opinion we can get it on his website, I would rather have heard a good question or two.

Posted by: Chuck | September 12, 2007, 12:49 am 12:49 am

So now Global Engineer is saying Hillary and Kerry and Pelosi wanted to distract the country, attack the constitution, and advance globalism by their strong stands for attacking Iraq? But I thought you guys said this war was all about helping Bush’s friends. So which is it? Why did the Democrats all come out so strongly for attacking Iraq? Could it be instead that they shared Bush’s goals of stopping a mad dictator from sharing his weapons with terrorists, but then changed their minds when they saw it wouldn’t help them politically? Hmm, I think we have our answer.

Posted by: MrReasonable | September 12, 2007, 12:51 am 12:51 am

MrReasonable , The answer is obvious to thinking americans…

Posted by: No Rino's | September 12, 2007, 12:54 am 12:54 am

Good post Chuck. The democrats set the hearing for this date so they could listen to the report, but I guess they decided it was so they could preach to a 4 star general about how to conduct a war instead.

Posted by: MrReasonable | September 12, 2007, 12:58 am 12:58 am

Chuck,
You forgot raid the treasury. My Dem’s were wrong wrong wrong to empower Bush to attack Iraq. Why they did it, I’m not sure. Probably they were given bad intelligence or they didn’t have the guts to stand up to Bush after 9/11. A few did.

Posted by: Global Engineer | September 12, 2007, 1:04 am 1:04 am

Raid the treasury, well the government does waste a lot of money and doesnt balance its budget like I do personally, but I dont believe the govt invaded Iraq to award contract money to KBR etc. The Dems like Hillary voted authorization for the invasion of Iraq because she is a patriot believing their was a threat of WMD, I think Bush and Hillary received bad intelligence but that doesnt mean nothing was accomplished

Posted by: Chuck | September 12, 2007, 1:13 am 1:13 am

Chuck,
I think basically the Dems made the mistake of trusting Bush to do the right thing with regard to Iraq. But, Congress (Republicans and Democrats) are supposed to be the ones that declare war. Apparently, Congress did not want to take the responsibility.

Posted by: Global Engineer | September 12, 2007, 1:17 am 1:17 am

I disagree with Obama or Hillary on almost every subject, but they are patriotic americans who support our people in uniform. Our enemies are Al Qaida and Iran, NOT THE DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICANS OR EVEN MUSLIMS. The major problems in Iraq stem from border control – weapons and foreign fighters coming across the border and Sunni and Shia getting along problems. Lets remember who our enemies are

Posted by: Chuck | September 12, 2007, 1:22 am 1:22 am

I used to be a patriot.
I’m not one now.
I hope to be one again some day.
For now, I’m counseling my children to stay away from the government and especially the military.
I also used to consider myself an Evangelical, until I found myself bombarded by politics while in church.
Not anymore.

Posted by: Global Engineer | September 12, 2007, 1:29 am 1:29 am

why is this ditz even a senator?

Posted by: fedup | September 12, 2007, 1:33 am 1:33 am

Global Engineer
I am here to tell you you live in the greatest country in the world, Ive been to a lot of countrys and would know. You have good reason to be patriotic, but if you cant find it in your heart to fight for your nation or send your children to fight for it, dont worry, sleep well tonight because there are plenty of young Americans over there that are willing to sacrifice 15 mons at a time of their life or their life so that you can have life liberty and pursue happiness on a daily basis.

Posted by: Chuck | September 12, 2007, 1:41 am 1:41 am

The tragic truth of the matter is that the occupation of Iraq is all about the oil. Sadly, this kind of greed and lack of wisdom will likely be the ruination of western society. Or perhaps I’ve just got this thing all wrong. Perhaps the unprovoked invasion of Iraq was simply a great military strategy. Yeh, that’s it. Let’s send our armed forces into Iraq—instead of into Pakistan where the enemy actually is. This is brilliant. Let’s de-stabilize yet another Middle Eastern country and bog ourselves down for years there and hey, maybe we can go into Iran next…. and well anywhere but Pakistan, because that’s only where Osama is and where they have their central command and where their training camps are and all that.

Posted by: Unafraid of Terrorists | September 12, 2007, 1:51 am 1:51 am

HELLO Obama… and supporters.
It was mandated by a *democratically controlled congress* that the hearings be held on Sept. 11th…
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=110_cong_bills&docid=f:h2206eah.txt.pdf

Posted by: JR | September 12, 2007, 1:57 am 1:57 am

John, you have got to be kidding me! The right spewing venom? It’s MOSTLY from the left. You try to blame everything on Bush, but you conveniently forget that congress authorized the use of force in Iraq. We would have never gone into Iraq without democrats authorizing the Commander in Chief to do so. You want to blame someone? Blame the democratic congress. If Bush is such an “idiot”, what does that make the democrats who are now saying Bush lied? They must be dumber than the President. Don’t all these agencies have congressional oversight committees with both republicans and democrats? Didn’t congress get the same reports that the president got? Didn’t they both reach the same conclusion? The way far left is now in control of the democratic party and all the democrats are pointing their fingers at Bush saying it’s all his fault, he lied to us. Too many of you are drinking the kool-aid. If that is the case, if Bush lied then all of congress, democrats and republicans need to be removed from office. Because they were not doing their job!!!! Democrats haven’t done squat since taking control of congress except try to hang every problem in the work on the president. Instead of trying to work together and fix things all they have done is blame Bush.

Posted by: Fred | September 12, 2007, 2:13 am 2:13 am

Wow. There’s a lot of far more brilliant folks posting here than me, I guess.
Because I couldn’t tell you I know for sure that the Iraq war is all about oil- or that Bush knew about 9/11- or that I know more than Petraeus, and so on, and so on.
Know why? I barely have time in a day to get my kids up and get them to school, go to work, spend some time with my wife, go to church, and mow the yard.
I must be unique, that all of you have so much time in a day to be personally present over in Iraq or sitting in Obama’s office, or watching Cheney make deals for Haliburton’s benefit, or wherever it is you’re getting these “truths” you all have been spewing about in here.
Truth is, you don’t really know any more than I do. We have the news, and that’s really nothing more than observation and 3rd party testimony.
So at best, we know someone else’s interpretation of what might be happening, along with some isolated video clips and sound bites. Is it any wonder there are so many extremes of opinion when our “facts” all come from the same place?
I read one post in here I thought was worthwhile. It came from a guy called “Soldier”. Look for it- if he was being honest, he’s probably the only one who knows just a tad more than we do.

Posted by: Jim Price | September 12, 2007, 2:47 am 2:47 am

“What a coincidence eh ? after so many years since 9-11 and the start of the Iraqi war the most critical hearings at the most critical time just happen to start near the anniversary of 9-11. Its just a diversion, plain and simple.”
You guys are funny. You ARE aware that both houses of Congress are controlled by the Dems, right? THEY make the agenda. The White House set the deadline for the report to be ready, but the Congress decides when to hold the hearings. Perhaps Obama is going to criticize Pelosi tomorrow for choice of date?

Posted by: Michael | September 12, 2007, 3:23 am 3:23 am

Give me a break. We see a LOT more of Dems calling for the Impeachment of Bush, claiming he knew or participated in 9/11, and accusing everyone in his cabinet of treason and war crimes in these blogs.
The loony left is even worse than the radical right…and better financed.
Move on’s ad today will turn off FAR more people than anything said in this blog will…

Posted by: Michael | September 12, 2007, 3:26 am 3:26 am

“Petraeus and Crocker, simply put, mouthed the words of the Bush administration. Nothing will change until the Congress cuts off funding. No money – no war”
Did it ever occur to you that, in fact, it was the White House mouthing the conclusions of Petraeus and Crocker, not the other way around?
Congress will NEVER cut off funding for a war. That’s political suicide. They can whine and cry all they like, at the end of the day funding will NOT be refused. What kind of moron cuts off funding for our troops?

Posted by: Michael | September 12, 2007, 3:38 am 3:38 am

“The invasion of Iraq has destabilized a region for at least 100 years”
That’s the funniest thing I’ve ever heard. We are talking about a region that hasn’t been stable for 2 THOUSAND years.

Posted by: Michael | September 12, 2007, 3:50 am 3:50 am

A few quick comments…
- Only an idiot (i.e., liberal) would believe that the President blamed 9/11 on Iraq. Show me one quote from Bush or Cheney that substantiates this lie – just one.
- Everyone from Bill Clinton to John Kerry to Hillary believed that Saddam was developing more WMD PRIOR to the Bush Administration. Are they liars too?
- Per the 12 or so UN resolutions that led to the Iraq invasion, Saddam was obligated to prove that he didn’t have active WMD programs in order to avoid the consequences he eventually suffered. He chose not to and we acted on the intelligence we had. Anybody who says President Bush lied us into this war is either a liar or an idiot, or both.

Posted by: MichaelP | September 12, 2007, 3:58 am 3:58 am

“The tragic truth of the matter is that the occupation of Iraq is all about the oil.”
Huh? The U.S. isn’t pumping, refining, or distributing Iraqi oil, nor is it profiting from such (Neither is Haliburton or any other American company).
“Or perhaps I’ve just got this thing all wrong. Perhaps the unprovoked invasion of Iraq was simply a great military strategy.”
Unprovoked? Perhaps you slept through the Clinton administration when he and his cabinet repeatedly warned about the danger Iraq proposed? When he made deposing the Government of Iraq the official policy of the U.S.? When he strategically attacked them twice? Did you miss that one?
Perhaps you might vaguely remember both Clintons, Gore, Kerry, and a couple dozen other Dems publicly praising the decision by Bush to go in? These were the people in charge just a few months earlier…the people who passed the intel on Iraq TO Bush. ALL of them, without a single dissent, agreed Iraq had WMD and would use them against U.S. interests if he wasn’t stopped.
ONLY after the Dems thought they could turn it into a gain politically did they start to criticize the decision to go to war. They thought the citizens would have forgotten their earlier words. Some of of haven’t forgotten.

Posted by: Michael | September 12, 2007, 4:21 am 4:21 am

Is this a right wing republican site or what? Many of you are out of touch with world opinion. Bush has hoodwinked you into a phony war, and continues to do so. But why do many Americans still support the administration, when its offered so much lies and deceit.
Peace to you all & may no more US soldiers lose their lives in this mess

Posted by: Joe Lantern | September 12, 2007, 4:29 am 4:29 am

“my last post points to the true problem, Saudi Arabia, along with Pakistan and Afghanistan. The terrorists are not (much of) the problem in Iraq.”
The “true problem” is radical Islam. Iraq is a central battlefield against that problem.
And you forgot the biggest problem (more dangerous than all the ones you mention combined). The country that is training, arming, and funding insurgents in Iraq (And Israel and Lebanon). The country that has sworn to destroy Israel and the U.S. The country whose Government was FOUNDED on radical Islam and has 68 million of them living within their borders. I am talking about Iran, of course.

Posted by: Michael | September 12, 2007, 4:36 am 4:36 am

“Many of you are out of touch with world opinion.”
Most world opinion is out of touch with reality.
“Bush has hoodwinked you into a phony war”
That’s all you needed to say to prove you know nothing about the history of the situation.
Sorry, but it is YOU who has been “hoodwinked” by far left sound bites.
Go back and look to see what the DEMS had to say about this “Phony war” at the time.

Posted by: Michael | September 12, 2007, 4:42 am 4:42 am

This is disgusting from both sides. Agree or disagree with Obama, but don’t attack his patriotism because his name is from an area of the world that we are at war with. He was born in the USA and his father was not an arab but a Kenyan. He also had no choice in what his name is. I don’t agree with the man on a lot of issue but he is one of the few politicians I’ve seen who sticks by his convictions and actually believes in heart that what he says is true. If you don’t have a more intelligent argument against what he said other than going after his race, then please shut your damn mouths. You are as despicable as the deluded idiots that believe that blame us for the 9-11 attacks. Both groups do not deserve to be called Americans. Also yes the reasons that Bush gave to go to Iraq were untrue. That is a fact. But it is also a fact that the a great deal of the intelligence he used was from the previous administration. Also it is true
that the democrats in the foriegn affairs and security commitee had full access to the intelligence and fully supported the war when it was popular. They changed their minds only in an effort to gain votes. (That is a very general statement, but in most cases it is true. Did Bush outright lie and not believe their were WMD’s? No. Did he spin and present the evidence in a way to drum up support for a war that he believed was necessary? Yes. Were there serious fatal flaws in our post invasion strategy? No doubt. Do we have a moral responsibility to fix the mess that the majority of americans who ssupported the invasion made? Damn right we do. Is it possible to do while both sides of the political spectrum in this country delude themselves and spout garbage and lies so as not to admit that some of their opinions from 4 damn years ago might not have been right? NO. Do we owe it to the guys (and gals)risking their lives in this war while sit at home fat and happy to grow up and find the best way to end this war? Yes we do. Last but not least do the majority of those troops want us to win the war before we bring them home? That is a fact that we all should consider while forming our opinions on the war. And before I am accused of being a bumper sticker patriot, I served proudly in the U.S. infantry and have many dear friends in both theaters fighting for, in spite of all the bs and mistakes, a truly honorable cause.

Posted by: Caleb | September 12, 2007, 5:13 am 5:13 am

Funny things happen in american politics. when obama sneezes the rest of america catches fires but hypocritically deny they got fire from it!
thats what happens when a potential mind bogling person speaks, thats what happened when roland reagan or john kennedy spoke and thats what happens when obama speaks. all these people were(are) honest and spoke(speak) without fear or favour.
scroll through all the other titles and u would see 2 or 3 comments but when obama speaks hell breaks loose! this guy is a great guy indeed!

Posted by: EE | September 12, 2007, 6:11 am 6:11 am

Let us not forget that this politician was schooled in a hardline islamic school, in a country I have spent a great deal of time in…..one friend of mine stated after months of friendship and conversation she would love to see the U.S. fall and bombings on all western countries. Let us not forget that this individual is a wolf in sheep’s clothing and nothing more.

Posted by: Justin Winchell | September 12, 2007, 6:55 am 6:55 am

Obama is absolutely right when he says this perpertuates the notion that Iraq and 9/11 are linked. I’m glad he’s speaking the truth!

Posted by: Luna | September 12, 2007, 6:55 am 6:55 am

Perhaps, Justin, I should call into question what you say because you claim to have spent time in the very same country Obama was schooled in. Maybe you were tainted too, and how would you even know it?
That is how ridiculous your argument is.

Posted by: Luna | September 12, 2007, 6:59 am 6:59 am

War for OIL!?!?!?!!HAHAHAHAH!!!! Go buy a prius and recycle……at the cost of taxpayers….8 Billion a year, this is about keeping from getting blown up…..i.e. 9/11..nothing more!
P.S.- Venesuela & Iran will be powering your Prius because they “CARE”…….F…M…..Foools@!!!!!@@!@$#@@$^#$&%^

Posted by: Justin Winchell | September 12, 2007, 7:01 am 7:01 am

Caleb,
Where was the honor at Abu Ghraib?

Posted by: Global Engineer | September 12, 2007, 7:04 am 7:04 am

I don’t like Obama. Grandstanding is his thing. There is no way around tying the war in with 9/11. Misguided as the war has been since its inception, we would not be in Iraq were it not for 9/11– attempting to separate the two is wasted energy. Move on to more important issues like getting us out of Iraq.
9/11 is not some sacred holiday; business should go on. Does Congress stop on the day Pearl Harbor was attacked and some 2,117 Americans lost their lives, or the USS Cole explosion, or the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. If we observe one day as sacred then we cannot forget to observe them all. Can our politicians just get on with the business of running this country and stop with all the soundbites.

Posted by: Niki | September 12, 2007, 7:07 am 7:07 am

Claim!.I will show you pictures of me in the largest quarrentined morgue in the world and in Sumatra, where my friends are currently starving b/c their gov’t has suffocated their funds from a benifit I played in……go buy organic and drive bio-diesel…..your difference is NADA!!!

Posted by: Justin Winchell | September 12, 2007, 7:07 am 7:07 am

The audicity of hope… hoping our conutry fails at every corner. Keeping on whining libs, that’s all you know how to do.

Posted by: Eric | September 12, 2007, 7:21 am 7:21 am

I was an Obama fan until these comments. 9/11 was awful but sorry buddy, the world doesn’t stand still on that date forever. Pure political posturing. Just shows you that Obama is as “Washington” as the rest of them. So much for change.

Posted by: Bill | September 12, 2007, 7:37 am 7:37 am

It is pathetic that republicans think criticizing the President on Iraq makes democrats traitors.
1) Listening to faulty information without verifying it 2)planning a war without exit strategy 3)going after a dictator under whom Iraq was stable (though he was mad man but so many other dictators who also hate USA) 4)spending billions of dollars every year on this war with no end 5) dividing this country on party lines, all these reasons constitute to stupidity, if not treachery?
Furthur, now will do nothing about Iran, whose President threaten us every day? Why because we are bogged dowmn in Iraq.

Posted by: alhad sathe | September 12, 2007, 7:49 am 7:49 am

Just remember Lib’s….The democrats are in power. The majority party sets the schedule for hearings and debates. The fact that the dem’s picked 9-11 for this is no mistake. The democratically controlled Congress has an approval rating of 18%….16% lower than the President, and equal to the Republican led Congress when they left office on the scandal train. Simply put, the American people are not stupid. They know in Washington that they are all just crooks in $1000 suits.

Posted by: Bob | September 12, 2007, 8:01 am 8:01 am

actually, 9/11 has everything to do with our going into iraq
we feared saddam, our professed enemy, selling his weaponry to terrorists, the people who had already attacked us
thank god obama/clinton have nothing but slogans….but pray that it won’t win them the election

Posted by: dev rios | September 12, 2007, 8:08 am 8:08 am

What the article fails to state is that since the Democrats control Congress, they are the ones who set the dates for the hearings.
Obama should complain to his party leadership about the choice of dates.

Posted by: Bill | September 12, 2007, 9:12 am 9:12 am

What will we get for all our treasure and blood being spent in Iraq? The best we can hope for, is a Shiite dominated theocracy with a gloss of fake democracy, largely opposed to most of our policies in the Mideast, allied with the terrorist states Iran and Syria, and implacably hostile to Israel, and not friendly to the USA. And that would be after 20 years of occupation bleeding our country white. All you Jacksonian, hard-knuckled rednecks out there – have any of you thought about the endgame to our adventure in Iraq? Why did most of the great empires in history fail? One word: hubris. Hubris inevitably acts stupidly. Does anyone doubt that this perfectly describes George Bush? I can assure you that Osama bin Ladin has complete faith in Bush’s fatal character flaw, and he believes that it characterizes the USA generally. He plays to this hubris with full confidence that the USA will destroy itself at his instigation. He’s a chess player, he sees to the endgame, and our current leadership does not. That’s why I think it takes an Obama, to beat an Osama. He thinks clearly, he is determined, he will do whatever it takes to destroy Osama, he won’t deter on foolish self-destructive wars that only hurt ourselves, and he looks ahead 10, and 20 years, and more.

Posted by: Digger | September 12, 2007, 9:24 am 9:24 am

dev rios,
two quick points:
you used the word fear – that implies a clouded sense of judgement was in play.
What weaponry? The inspectors found nothing yet we invaded anyway. Saddam was boxed in and he knew it.

Posted by: Strider | September 12, 2007, 10:20 am 10:20 am

It shocks the conscience that a man as basically stupid as Barack Hussein Obama, the Muslim Manchurian Candidate, is actively seeking the presidency.
Obama is not just a moron – he is a dimwitted moron. And that is saying something.

Posted by: James Marsden | September 12, 2007, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm

What credentials do Barack Hussein Obama and/or Hillery Rodam Clinton have to make an assessment about war strategy? None!!! The Democrat strategy is to see the US fail in Iraq, and in the War on Terror, hoping that they can gain the power of the presidency and the legislative branch – House and Senate. Power hungry, and to hell with this great country.
That is a helluva strategy when we are at war with an idealogy which is scattered throughout the world.

Posted by: Floyd H. Lawson | September 13, 2007, 9:15 am 9:15 am

GOD BLESS this great nation and all who dwell within her…..

Posted by: alaska | September 14, 2007, 12:33 am 12:33 am

And for you Dems on here, don’t get your hopes up about Barack Obama. The guy is a tool, all the way. Real change? Change you can believe in? Gimme a break. His reason for wanting to end the illegal war in Iraq is because it is “distracting the U.S. from the ‘real’ enemy, Al Qaeda in Afghanistan”. Sen. Obama, don’t insult my intelligence; if you passed in elementary school science and have common sense then you can very easily deduce that 9/11 had to be an inside job and if he wanted to eliminate the “terrorists” he would start with their headquarters, in Langley, Virginia. Obama is the establishment’s puppet, someone to make us think we actually have a choice besides senile insane John McCain the unabashed fascist. Obama’s job is to smile, wave nicely, say things people want to hear and politely and promptly concede as soon as Diebold and E.S.& S. rig the “election” for McCain.

Posted by: Lev | March 18, 2008, 7:54 pm 7:54 pm

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