Verdict: New York Times Gave MoveOn a Discount

what is wrong in giving discount? It is not they have been bribed, or cheated or robbed anybody. Ofcourse MoveOn doesn’t get big money like Republicans get from Enron, Halliburton and other big oil companies. Oil companies can afford to give money because they enjoy profits at the cost of the lives of US Military men and women.

NY Times make their own rules so they can make exceptions. Why should we care? Conservatives need to flush their own toilets before they criticize other peoples’ housekeeping.

For the dumb Leftists saying ‘nuttin’ wrong with a discount!”, Moveon.org is a PAC and contributions to them are governed by law.
$5000 is the limit of contribution for individuals and corporations are prohibited completely, I think.
NYT broke the law while pimping their biased leftist agenda.

I’m surprised that the NYT even charged MoveDemOn.org at all. Still, the NYT has no crediility anyway. Dan Rather claims that the government runs the media, but it’s not. It the progressives that run the media. With almost every reporter actually being a progressive democrat, they don’t have to actually plan to promote their agenda, they are just naturally inclined to apply their bias intentional or otherwise. Sammy Donaldson, disgraced reporter who used to make up the news is again proven to be wrong again a news media colludes with progressives to spread their propaganda. It’s typical.

Bye the way, here in the MidWest, almost every newspaper had the ad about General Petraius from MoveOn.org
Will the Republicans now take on most of the newspapers in the country besides the New York Times. Surely there are more important things to worry about, LIKE THE BODY COUNT FOR TODAY IN IRAQ!
Republicans and Democrats alike are to blame for the loss of hundreds/thousands of lives in this Bush/Cheney war. Consider for today, Ladies and Gentlemen, that Bush fought the good fight to help his fathers friend get elected in Alabama and Dick has 5 defferments because it wasn’t in his game plan to be drafted during Korea nor Vietnam. Do you have a friend or family member who has been drafted or lost their life in service for our country? Think about these two rich guys who were able to NOT SERVE. Is it any wonder that Bush/Cheney team have hired terriort”s like the Blackwater Inc. How many of these Blackwater Inc. “contractors” have caused the death of our regular soldiers? If there are suppose to be 180 Contractors in Iraq..who are they and what are they doing? Again, the ad about the General was in 100′s of newspapers across the country and good for them it they allowed the ad to run….we need more like them.

Does anyone know why the General didn’t inform the Congress and America on how many of the Blackwater Inc “Contractors” were also fighting in Iraq and elsewhere. When he was giving numbers, was he including these “contractors”? Why no mention of Blackwater Inc. by the General. Perhaps he forgot to mention the “contractors” sorta like Alberto forgot, I don’t recall, etc. etc. etc.

Hilarious how many of you Leftists find no problem is this blantant abuse of campaign finance law yetyou like to whine about our government’s corruption.
As long as you get yours, eh? LOL.

And now the Republicans are demanding the same discount routed through Tom Delay, back through his cronies, and into Newt Gingrich’s pocket so he can buy drugs to keep Rush Limbaugh on the radio. You know it’s OK, Pat Robertson gave it his blessing, as long as we kill Hugo Chavez before next Christmas.

“General betray-us”? Whatever moveon minion came up with that little gem is no doubt now soaking it up in the caribbean somewhere.. I knew the minute I heard of him that some brilliant nut on the left would capitalize off his name. Now we have proof positive of how deeply entrenched their hooks are in the gray lady herself, and all the papers across the fruited plain that march lockstep with her.. as for those of you who cry and wail about halliburton, blackwater et al. welcome to the real world! All the conflicts present and past have had some strategic motivation involved to protect our interests, from the Spainish American war to WWI & II, Vietnam etc. The Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor over oil.. this is nothing new.. it’s just our nintendo generation doesn’t have the stomach for anything that requires a grasp of history and our role as the worlds only democratic superpower and how radical Bush’s vision of a democratic outpost in the Arab world really is!!

The troops were calling him General Betray U, WAAAAY before this little kerfluffle. The dude’s a well known Kiss-As$

And the lies keep coming.

Ever heard of “the past is prologue”? How do you think our nation sprung into existence, a UN mandate? And if Petraeus was known as such a big brass kiss a** then why did he have the wholehearted approval of Biden, Kennedy et al to head the commission?? huh?

Last time I looked, the US military is not sponsored by, paid for by, or in any manner the representatives of the Republican Party itself. Nor do I recall that the US military is contracting the Republican Party to represent them as spokes-people either. — It’s inappropriate and unethetical for the Republican Party to use our military to polarize this country and to advertise oneself as being in a special alliance that the “other” side doesn’t have for your own benefit. Our solders do not deserve exploitation by the Republicans any more than insults by Democratic fringe groups.

What bothers me is that ABCnews would rather focus on the NYTimes gaving a discount to Moveon.org rather than investigating if the General actually did lie. The media has gotten so lazy. If they had done their job in the beginning there would have been no war and, therefore, no moveon.org ad needed.

A few typos in my last. I meant “Home for dinner.”

jeez, more typpos…I meant “You know me well ENOUGH to know my politics?”

If the media would actually examine the General’s contentions and report to the American people their truth or falsity, they would be doing their job to give unbiased opinions. The General’s picture of Iraq was awfully rosy and it certainly does not seem to be backed up with all the violence and chaos currently happening in Iraq.
I, for one, do not believe the American people bought his story and, in a sense, he was not truthful. MoveOn has a right to call him on the fraud!

“And it turns out we were right to”
Shouldn’t it be “too” at the end, genius Tapper boy?

Actually, “to” is correct.

MoveOn, a hate group. I beg to differ. I suppose it was fine for the Swiftboaters to malign Kerry and for Republicans at their convention to pass out bandaids for his war wounds, but it is not okay for MoveOn to call Gen. Petraeus for an outright fraud. The hypocrisy is blatant!

The only problem with your quaint argument, sesanders, is the the Swiftboat facts were true. Look ‘em up.
The good news is, this ad exposed moveon.org for the hate group that they are, and it has exposed many of those supporting them. People are watching.

“The good news is, this ad exposed moveon.org for the hate group that they are, and it has exposed many of those supporting them. People are watching, blah, blah, blah!”
Well thank you, Big Brother! The Swift Boat Vets were absolute liars–and common trait among conservatives who have made hypocrisy and dishonesty an art form recently! I’m a proud contributor to MoveOn and the day after the Senate passed their stupid condemnation of it, myself and other contributed nearly $500,000.00 dollars to it! So take your Bill O’Reilly talking points and get lost!

Sorry if truth and facts bother you, George. People are watching hateful scum like moveon.org. The ad was a terrific backfire that exposes them for the seditious worms that they are.
America sees the Liberal Lie.
Me, I’m luvin’ it!

See, Annie, that’s one of the problems. You read some completely unattributed story on some Leftist rag blog citing unnamed ‘sources.’ To you that means it is true. Just because moveon.org, or Think Progressive says it does not make it true.
You probably think Bush was behind 9/11 as I think that is a regular topic of discussion on those boards. LOL.

One thing this proves though is that the media is biased to the progressives. That’s why MoveDemOn.org received a 50% discount. The media being politically biased is nothing new, this was just one of many pieces of evidence that proves it to be true.

This story only shows what we on the right have known for a long time. The NYT is nothing but a shill for the democrats.

I don’t have any problem with the ad. We don’t even have a military solution to the war in Iraq. Betray-Us does not know the outcome himself other than he got his Fourth Star & is due to retire soon. He will leave with 130,000 troops in Iraq and his job is accomplished. Leave the problem with the next General who wants to pin his Fourth Star by Bush. Now, he needs to invest in the oil business with Bush and do some commentaries with Fox News or as military consultant.

Good. MoveOn has a right to express the opinion that anyone who was in the whitehouse preparing for their appearance before Congress was told exactly what to say. Petreaus is a man who has his career and good standing on the line for Bush. Bush fires generals who oppose him and rewards generals that dance to his tune. So no surprise here. We don’t believe anything Bush or someone speaking for him says.

It is a much bigger story that the press has favored the conservatives, fearing criticizing them, and feeling over-obligated to criticize the intellectually honest (liberals). When will the press stop perpetuating the right wing propaganda machine?????

Dear MOVEON, you’ve expressed the feelings of many Americans accurately, when it was an unpopular time to do it. The people you represent appreciate using your “Freedom of Speech” to detail their frustrations. EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN has a right to “free speech”. Please don’t listen to the “rantings” of a those that don’t agree, I saw nothing saying they were REQUIRED to agree. Thanks You So Much, AMERICA.

It is the prerogative of New York Times to give a discount to any person or organization. Bravo Moveon.org and New York Times. The heart and minds of America is being properly represented with this act of speaking out. We want our soldiers home. We respect and honor their sacrifice and service. The war is a lie and has been from the start everyone with half a brain knows that. We also know the only reason we are still there is our government has not raped us enough they are greedy, lying, pilfering mongers with out conscience. This presidency or mockery is sucking our nation dry and murdering our good and faithful soldiers.
BRING THEM HOME! BRING THEM HOME! BRING THEM HOME! BRING THEM HOME! BRING THEM HOME! BRING THEM HOME! BRING THEM HOME! BRING THEM HOME! BRING THEM HOME! BRING THEM HOME! BRING THEM HOME! BRING THEM HOME! BRING THEM HOME!

Brenda, obviously there is nothing I can say that you will believe. But for others who read these comments, the truth IS the truth. The Left wants to portray the war in Iraq as just an oil grab by President Bush. That “he lied” about WMDs, therefore the war is unjustified and even “illegal.” But, first of all, the Left conveniently forgets that Congress actually gave President Clinton — back in 1998 — authorization to overthrow Saddam Hussein because, as the Democrats so eloquently stated, he was an imminent threat due to his WMDs.
The Gulf War in 1991 NEVER ENDED. The UN finally convinced Saddam Hussein to agree to a truce with conditions; and the fighting stopped. BUT after 10 years of failing to adhere to the conditions, the Bush Administration got the UN Security Council to pass UN Resolution 1441, which gave Saddam Hussein one final opportunity to abide by the conditions. He failed to do so. BUT when it became painfully clear that the UN would not follow through on its ultimatum, President Bush decided to act (Congress had already given him the authorization in 2002), and gave Saddam Hussein 24 hours to leave Iraq. He failed to do so. Unlike the UN, President Bush meant what he said and said what he meant.
Now as for bringing our troops home, you can deny it all you want, BUT we are fighting al Qaeda in Iraq. Leaving Iraq without defeating al Qaeda, gives al Qaeda a military victory. You may not care about the consequences of that, but it WILL be the death mill of the civilized world if we hand a military victory to al Qaeda. They will FOREVER use this victory as a recruitment tool to enlist millions to join their jihad against the civilized world. Again, deny this all you want, but you cannot appease or negotiate with these terrorists. They want us dead. And they are willing to not only die for their cause, but to commit suicide in car and truck bombs all around the world. Staying in Iraq will NOT guarantee that the United States will be free from these attacks. BUT leaving Iraq before al Qaeda is defeated, WILL guarantee that we will one day see IEDs and car and truck bombs throughout the United States. And once they start, no school, no mall, no restaurant, no stadium, no church, no hotel or motel, NO PLACE will ever be safe again.

US law does prohibit American companies from doing business with countries designated as “terror-sponsoring states.” However, a loophole in the law does allow foreign subsidaries of American companies to conduct business with these “terror-sponsoring states,” provided they are completely independent. There are many American companies who take advantage of the loophole and have foreign subsidaries that legally conduct business with these countries. It’s just too bad that Congress never closed this loophole. But until they do, as long as these foreign subsidaries remain independent, they are legally allowed to conduct business with these countries.
Now then, it is true that as CEO of Halliburton, Cheney, set up a number of foreign subsidaries of Halliburton in several Caribbean islands, including the British Cayman Islands. Halliburton and Cheney acknowledged that foreign subsidaries did conduct business with Libya and Iran, but long denied doing any business in Iraq. However, I believe it was in 2001, it came to light that two foreign subsidaries of Halliburton, Dresser-Rand and Ingersoll Dresser Pump Co. had, in fact, sold material to Baghdad through French affiliates in 1997 through the summer of 2000. However, this was not in violation of US law because it fell within the UN’s oil-for-food program. The fact that Cheney was not aware of these sales is evidence to the independence that these foreign subsidaries had.

Either way the Times is a privately held Company and they can write and publish whatever “news” or “editorials” or “infomercials” or “commercials” they see fit to print. They set their fees, can adjust or waive them, and charge what they want. If someone feels slandered or libeled they can try and sue but that is no guarantee they will win anything. If you don’t like the paper, don’t buy it, don’t pay attention to it, or buy it and use it to line bird cages with if that is what its utility is to you. People need to wake up and realize that papers like this can be as biased and off the wall as they want. The media in America is big business, controlled by editors and owners and advertisers and you are just a consumer of this product. It can affect your beliefs, your information base, your politics, your expectations, and your freedom. And its your dime. All the free news sites on the net exist to sell advertising and get you to buy things or believe things as certain people profit or gain power from this. The general can take care of himself and now more people are aware of Move on.org’s bias and willingness to use it in the public arena. There is no such thing as “unbiased” reporting today anymore than there is unbiased advertising. This has been true for a long long time. Wake up!

Has no bearing on the fact that Admiral Fallon called the bush weasel a sycophant, so BETRAYUS fits. Perhaps the TIMES is just making up for lost time as Maureen Dowd sat the bench while the access connected reporter missy miller(forgot her name) ran the show.

The collapse of the republicans would be so very fulfilling except for the fact that they only have one last gasp left…misery loves company .anybody buying their failed spiel now???? The networks have…

wilder5121, daddy, and Becky – Interesting Posts! You support a Hate America Organization like Move on which is Funded by George Soros who funds the Clintons Media Matters group, you hate our military, so why do you live here? Why not move to Cuba, Venezuala or similar Country? Since Soros and the Dem/libs want to bring socialism here, but they all should move to Venezuala. Oh thats right you would not have the freedom that you enjoy here because of our Great Men and women of the Arm Services.
Also in your opinion anyone who loves our country and Military is a Far Right wing Nut? People who speak the truth are Right Wing nuts? Hey then I guess that makes me and the majority of True Americans Right Wing nuts.
Libs are so arrogant and gullible it is sad!!

Dear Spock,
We are only saving the country from lemmings who know very little besides what HUSH BIMBO, BILE OHREALLY, SHUN HANNITY, and the nervous little twitch…mikey the savage weiner, feed you.

daddy – ummmm! What do they do that is so wrong? Speak the Truth! Did you know by a poll from your own Liberal papers that the most informed group of people are those that listen to Rush L.
Sean O’Brien – They are losing sponsors and money! The are very Left leaning there is no question about it.
Again all libs know how to do is attack people, they never give facts!

Why is it that the only people crying about saving the troops are people that have nothing to do with the troops. 99.9% of the troops agree with the mission and the president. But the left with only listen to that .1% of the military that agree with them. I like how they find one soldier out of a thousand to disagree with the president and make it seem like all soldiers feel the same way. These are all big boys that volunteered and are happy to do it for their country. They only ones whining are the cowards that joined for college money and had to actually fight for their country. As far as oil for Bush and Cheney, what a joke. How many Democrats voted for this war with the same intelligence that was given to the president? But now it’s not convienent anymore and won’t get them elected. Or as Hillary says “If I knew then what I know now”. What a great line. If I knew that a car was going to run me over, I wouldn’t have walked out in front of it. What a complete moron she is. She
supported this war based on the info she had at the time it was given. I’m sure we all wish we had info 6 months before it was actually available. Stop defending these idiots and their left wing propaganda tools.

If the right wing is so sensitive, Bush should have picked a general with a different last name to hide behind. 99% of the american public would not have known about this ad, had the Bushies not raised such a stink. Good work MoveOn, just sent a check.

It turns out that Rush Limbaugh was the first to introduce “Betray Us” and Petraeus in the same sentence….. What hypocrites!….. MoveOn has sent in the rest of the money for the ad. Get over it!

Becky – It was not Bush, but the American People that brought the complaint.
Sam / Kathleen – interesting, moveon gets millions from Soros, they control the Lib party. The Libs actually own more stock in those companies then the Republicans.
And when was the last time you heard an Oil company insult our military?
Also you see nothing wrong with Edwards earning money from people who are foreclosing on their homes?
What other American company can do what Haliburton does?? Huh ? I’ll answer for you NONE! oh thats right you want jobs to goto France!