A Stark Remark

I see nothing wrong with his comment — and yes it appears the war is for Bush’s amusement and Cheney’s paranoia.

He’s absolutely right. He owes no one an apology. The Republicans do–to the families of 4,000 dead Americans, 200,000 dead Iraqis and 30,000 wounded Americans.

There must have been something wrong with his comment, it was removed from the record.

Has everyone gone mad. I don’t see how anybody could agree with this idiot. If he is an atheist he has a rude awaking someday.
Thanks,
Earl

There are many ways to characterize Stark’s comments, but a slam against the troops is not one of them. Stark’s language is typically overheated, but there is much merit in what he says. How does the Federal government get all this money to fight an unnecessary war of choice in Iraq, while at the same time pleading poverty when it comes to insuring our citizens here at home? It’s an absolute disgrace.

Stark was right on the money. Republicans could care less about the welfare of the nation. Instead, they multiply the dozens upon dozens of tax loopholes only the wealthiest of Americans can utilize all the while jerking around the middle class and the working poor. I’m tired of hearing Repulbicans talk about lazy Americans abusing the welfare system or the SCHIP system, in this case, and then turn around and scold us for not taking “personal responsibility.” It’s the same people preaching “personal responsibility” to the rest of us that don’t mind hiring a flashy accountant to evade paying taxes and finding every possible way of paying less taxes. It’s the flip side to their argument-the rich use the systems just like they think the poor use the systems. But it’s the filthy rich who vote Republican so they gotta rub their ego and coffers the right way.

The man is right on…God forbid somebody speaks their mind. Oh, that’s right, this Administration (and the GOP faithful) won’t allow that if it differs from their point of view. Sad.

The uninsured children come from many mid-to upper middle class families who squander their money on luxuries (big screen tvs, brand new cars, vacations, etc. )instead of necessities. My husband and I earn 40,000 a year and we were able to afford the 400 a month healthcare policy we have. To put Iraq in this argument is ridiculous and an absolute disgrace to our country. Dems are the blind leading the blind, and many people who are crying over uninsured children need to get their priorities and responsibilities in gear.

As a member of the armed forces I’m delighted to hear such strong comments during open debate among our Congressman. To me it means our democracy is alive and well. Whether you agree or disagree with his stance, I don’t think our democratic body vigorously questioning the need for continued American deaths to be a danger to our nation.

Nick, your beloved liberal Rep. Henry Waxman from California is trying to shut down talk show radio hosts like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity…You sit and tell me that you and the democrats believe in free speech??? You guys are so full of crap its unbelievable. Get your priorities straight for once and then come on these message boards and talk some sense.

Concerned Citizen: I’m glad you know what every citizen is spending their money on. I’m sure your $400/month healthcare plan covers your two children, their eye and dental, and their medical bills once they pile over a quarter of a million dollars. Take your rehearsed talking points somewhere else because I’m tired of hearing them. When will you realize that we’re a society, a nation that should care about those that are struggling instead of belittling them with Limbaugh-like lies.
Iraq in this argument is not ridiculuous unless you can’t wrap your mind around spending trillions of dollars on a HIGHLY questionable war instead of providing for our own citizens. It’s myopic “concerned citizens” like yourself that are a disgrace to this nation. Take your $400 insurance plan and peddle it somewhere else.

Democrats are playing politics with the war.When are these people going to learn? Where were you when three thousand innocent American people died.
Stop playing politics and stand united to defeat the enemy.

Democrats have become loathsome hate mongers and have no dignity left inside them. This idiot should be thrown in jail for inciting war against our troops for making useful propaganda that aids and comforts our enemy. This isn’t free speech – this is TREASON!! Stark should be held accountable as should Murtha, Durbin, and Reid.

And Ann, I do agree that Rush should be taken off the air. If Don Imus was removed for a racial slur, than surely Rush can be removed for slander. In fact O’Reilly, Malkin, Coulter, Hannity, Beck, the lot of them should lose their FCC licenses for spreading hate, bigotry, lies, smears, and slander against our citizens. If we truly want to clean up our airwaves, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

I am DISGUSTED with how Bush has run this country into the ground. How dare he decide for the tax payers where to spend the money. He is not listening to the AMERICAN PEOPLE. We need more politicans like Stark who don’t mind standing up and telling the truth.

As I recall, there was some guy named Osama bin Laden who attacked us more than six years ago. Bush and the Republicans let him slip away and went after Saddam, instead.
Apparently, it had something to do with oil.
Everything the Congreesman said was completely correct.

Congressman Stark is correct.

I doubt that Bush is amused by the deaths in Iraq. Whatever else he is, he’s not a sadist. He seems to be merely indifferent to the carnage. I suspect that as long as there is Mideast violence to keep oil prices high, Bush is satisfied — and so are his oil-company pals in Texas and other oil states.

Eric, Free speech includes slander, but I guess if it comes from Rush’s mouth, it’s okay.

Stark is a rude old man. Anyone who does not agree with his views is attacked by his uncontrollable mouth. I have no respect for a person like him. His ugly comments do not surprise me.

Robert: I think that your comment addressed to me should have been addressed to someone else like Eva, or Concerned Citizen.——My comment was that Bush has run this country into the ground.

Hey, like him or not, the man’s got a point: the Congress can’t fund insurance for 10 million kids, but can find 200 billion to fund the war? Hmm…..

Finally the truth!!!! Listen to all the crap from the Republicans…let them stew in it…15 months from now we will own both houses and the Presidency…maybe something will get done! Hilary 2008!!!!!

Al-Quaeda wasn’t in Iraq. We are we doing there if not for the oil. If Bush was serious about fighting terrorism try taking down Bin Laden in Pakistan instead of keeping Iraqis from killing each other.

Rep. Fortney “Pete” Stark…..you make me sick making such comments as you did. Where is your dignity? You should be ashamed of yourself! We American’s want good men (Rep. or Dem.)in our US House fighting for what we believe is right but in a mature manner. You could have handled yourself amongst your piers much better then you did.

ain`t america the land of free speach ?

The Dems are using this war like a crutch. Why don’t they get up off their whiny butts and make changes in a mature manner.Or are they not capable of acting civil. They feel the need to bash Republicans to make themselves look better. They only “talk” about what the people want.I bet the Dems will not follow through, because it’s just bait for all the people who love to gobble up that kind of crap.

His comment is typical for today’s Defeatocrat party. They WANT us to lose in Iraq. They’ve been saying it since May that “we’ve lost the war in Iraq” (Harry Reid). The only reason we had no deficit with a Clinton in office was that we were taxed more, cut spending in our military and intelligence services, created the “death tax”, and made sure that Osama Bin Laden ran free. With Bush we’ve been attacked on 9/11, had Katrina and multiple other storms, fires, spending like we’re growing money (yet the Dems want to spend more on “children” up to the age of 25 and whose parents make $82,999.00 and are taxed like they are wealthy), and the introduction of more than one agency. Dems want to tax more, spend more, withdraw in Iraq, not protect our borders, give illegals voting rights, give our rights to our oceans away, “negotiate” with Iran or bomb them into the 18th century (Hillary Clinton speaking to 2 different groups this week). We can’t afford, literally, to have Dems in office and we can’t survive without conservatives in office. We would be speaking spanish, unable to smoke (unless it was to kill an unborn child), giving N.Korea nukes (Bill Clinton), giving Syria,Iran,Venezuala, and anyone else that wants a nuke, and basically worrying what the rest of the world “feels” about us. VOTE CONSERVATIVE!!

Man, the lack of intelligence of the BDS’rs is astonishing. Well, I am no longer really astonished, just continuously amused. They seem to forget that the dems also voted for this so called illegal war. Man I wish they would get over them selves and get educated.
As to this health bill. If all they did was refund the current plan then we would have no problem. Instead, as ususal, the dems broadened it soooo much that it became universal health care for all children and I am sorry, but I am not wiling to pay for your health care or your childrens healthcare while you drive your BMW or Mercedes. Take the democrat socialism out of the bill and it will pass, very easily.

Tommy: Well said. Dems also neglect to mention that Bush got stuck with the middle east issues because of irresponsibility of the previous administration. Bush was in office for 8 months when 9/11 happened. Obviously these problems started earlier…like when we had OBL and let him go! We need another Reagan!…Peace through strength!

Robert, that same 3% you speak of control 85% of the money in this country. Why shouldn’t they foot 85% of the tax burden?

I don’t know which is worse: that Stark made such monstrous comments, or that Political Punch surprisingly attracts a reader base that seems to largely agree with a man with a history of unconscionable outbursts, including threatening other legislators, who once referred to a black government official as a “disgrace to his race,” and insulted a soldier/constituent’s intelligence in a surprising voicemail to the man’s home.
Do people like Paulet, Lucyin, Walton, etc really and truly believe all those absurdities as well?
To claim that a President is “amused” by the men under his command dying is craven and asinine; to proudly howl support of such coarse falsehoods merely because you don’t like the man, is the mark of those with low character, little integrity, and less intelligence.

Tommy: You are right again. The democratic leaders don’t seem to have any values. They voted in favor of the war for political gain John Edwards consulted several political strategists before he voted to see what would benefit him most…then he voted to send out troops into harms way…not because he thought it was right or because he was looking out for our nations interest but because it would benefit him politically. Is this really the type of person we want to lead the nation? What about Hillary’s flip-flopping? Imagine if she was president at the time? We’d all be dead! We need a compass in office, not a weathervane.

Good for Stark! Call ‘em all out: Clarence Thomas IS a disgrace to his race.

DK: Typical liberal ignorance. If your numbers are correct(???) go ahead and tax the top 3% of wage earners to foot 85% of the tax bill and you can then use a stopwatch to time how fast we slide into an economic depression. This is where dems don’t get it. Capitalism is what drives our economy, not taxes. The government can’t spend our money better than we can…I think they’ve proven that multiple times. The goal should be to cut taxes and let the public spend for themselves.

Robert – Bush and the neocons choose to wage war in Iraq. If you study the neocons, they had proposed attacking Iraq and removing Saddam in the early ’90s. This was well before Clinton was President. This stems from their notion that Saddam was a regional threat who needed to be removed and, in so doing, they would be able to stabilze south Asia and the Middle East. 9/11 provided the emotional catalyst and cover for the war and subsequent actions. The American Conservative carried early articles describing the neocon radicalism and how they were not really conservatives.
The Iraq War is a foolish adventure and a terrible foreign policy blunder.

Just another typical liberal move. The rich are the ones who provide most of the jobs. Tax them more, they will just start firing people, and everyone is out of work. Liberals want you to depend on them for their crappy hand outs so that you will vote for them. People get a CLUE!!!!!

Stark is one of the few unafraid to speak the whole truth Bush, Cheney, Rice, Powell and Rumsfeld should be turned over to a war crimes tribunal,tried, and suffer the ltimate penalty. We, the people, have allowed the rich, the elite, to control our country and us, to use our land and resources and our labor, for their personal feeding trough and playground. As more of us wake up to the truth, we get closer to the critical mass that will signal the begining of the people’s battle to take the power back. It took me a long time to see the truth. The enemy is very clever, sophisticated and determined. But within we, the people, lay dormant the power, determination and fortitude to one day cause freedom to again reign supreme in our land.

Brenda: You beat me to the punch…

I have been following the issues with Pete Start and found a bunch of media online – videos, news and stuff like that

I’m glad we are having this dialogue, although it does seem a bit heated.

…and Thanks to the Libs the inner cities are battle grounds for criminals due to their failed social engineering projects.

He’s just a filthy degenerate liberal blowhard from the Bay area who despises this country’s military. How anyone could spit such irresponsible, venomous personal attacks during a health insurance debate is beyond me.

The health insurance is a scam to get votes from people who want the easy life, or should I say lazy dependent on everybody but themselves life.

The entertainment value of all this, far exceeds one’s wildest imagination! Keep it coming. 2008 is going be, as they say, …”a hot time in the old town tonight!” Like so many nickels and dimes, there’s gonna be change everywhere!

Are you saying the money spent toward rebuilding and stablizing Iraq isn’t worth spending. You think just leaving a vacuum there and the chaotic destablization of the mideast that will follow will be good for the country, or the world? And someone should tell this idiot that the money isn’t being used to “blow up civilans”, but quite the opposite…protecting Iraqis and Americans from the terrorists and extermists who are responsible for the violence (the real ones blowing up civilans). Does he even know what’s going on over there?
Plus there’s so much ridiculous wasteful spending in Washington anyway, it doesn’t make that big of difference. We need to focus on that.

These Joe Sixpacks complaining here about “socialized medicine” should have the guts to say to all these thousands of parents who – without the help of the “nanny state” – can’t afford cancer treatments for their children: “Sorry, but your kid has to die to preserve our freedoms.” Otherwise they should shut up and go home!

Hillary is a socialist, government ran healthcare will suck, quality of care will go down drastically. Getting rid of Hussein was justified, whether he had WMD or not, he was going to try and get them, do you remember he invaded Kuwait for nothing. Dems are American haters who want us to lose, that is sad, a reasonably stable government can be put in place in Iraq if we support our government. You American hating libs go live somewhere else, you guys are the one’s that would run to Canada to avoid serving your country, what losers, you guys believe all wars are bad, not true, many times you have to fight a war in order to have peace.

I suggest to Mr.Patriot that the inner cities are battle grounds because cowardly politicians can’t deal with common sense-gun regulation in the face of NRA pressure. The best way to hide political cowardice is to be aggressively pro-gun at home and militaristic abroad.

Way to go Congressman Stark. Tell it like it really is. Don’t back down. Don’t apologize. Let Bush apologize for getting us into this fiasco. “I’m a uniter, not a divider.” Yup. That’s evident from just reading this page.
Bush belongs in a mental home and we all know it. Plus, Stark has the intelligence to be an athiest. Amen! DO NOT BACK DOWN!!!!!!! It’s time someone had the b—- to stand up to this lying “president.”

Why do the republicans hate America so much? Why do they want to waste so much money on Iraq? How did they come to hate the constitution so much? I have no doubt any republican around to day would have joined up with the British during the Revolution lickety-split. They all want a monarch named George.

All you armchair national security experts here are such a bunch of lemmings you’ll believe anything the neocon spin doctors tell you. War on terror? baloney! You people have no clue as to what is really going on. All you do is repeat what the right wing zombies of this nation say over and over: “war on terror, war on terror, must kill, must fight….” I couldn’t have said it better myself what the senator said. This war separates two distinctly different kinds of people in this country, the paranoid and the sane.

The Democrates are charge and they have done nothing, but bitch. I believe the Democrates are just gutless. Your Speaker has accomplished what? Doesn’t that say it all about you as a group.
The best you could come up with is another Clinton – how shallow you are as a party. We need to get rid of both parties the system once was good one, but no more. Shame on you – Shame on all of you.

Notice how during the day the majority of people on her are liberals? There would be more republican views but there all at work paying the taxes that the liberals think the are owed because people believe in working hard and not having to pay for everyone else. People want socialized health care but yet the goverment cant even run social security. People on here are saying Republicans hate america but yet the liberals are the ones that are changing everything that is good about it. Keep telling yourself liberals the war is for no reason, it doesnt benefit anyone….and another thing, Bush isnt on the ticket for next election

Stark is a mental midget. This kind of rancorous discourse does not advance the war debate one bit. You can disagree with why we went to war. You can disagree with the strategy behind it. But to suggest that the President does this for amusement is a stupid and very hurtful remark. Stark deserves censure by the house.

Bush derangement Syndrome in its most advanced stage. This guy always was a whacko and this just confirms it. They should call him Floaty ‘Pete’ Stark because he floats in the liberal moveon.org limbo.

Stark is prime example of how voters just vote for the main guy and then just go down the card punching at will -in watching General Petraus testimony recently I was amazed at how many of our elected representatives looked like they had one foot in the grave – i guarantee you half those old coots are not allowed to drive – yet they keep getting in – morons.

Funny thing is Petie old boy….the deaths of U.S. Soldiers is way way down in Iraq. Now…I know this is not in your parties best interests but guess what….It is in your Nation’s best interests…just in case you forgot about your Nation..the Nation remember..the one that protects your freedom.

The sad thing is that the Democrats in Congress are stuck with this Stark guy, and he won’t keep his mouth shut. I think they could convince him to resign in favor of a far more prestigious job—like Lord Overseer of Middle Eastern Military Affairs. Then he could meet with some soldiers and tell them that their buddies are getting their heads blown off for the President’s amusement. After such a meeting, I’m sure Stark would need major reconstructive surgery. Then the Democrats just use some of that illegal Chinese campaign money to have the surgeon throw in a lobotomy.

DITTO MARTIN! I COULD NOT HAVE SAID IT BETTER – “It’s only those sacramonious, hypocritical Pharisees who would give these corrupt liars a pass”. I love this quote – WAKE UP AMERICA!
Concerned Citizen: I’m glad you know what every citizen is spending their money on. I’m sure your $400/month healthcare plan covers your two children, their eye and dental, and their medical bills once they pile over a quarter of a million dollars. Take your rehearsed talking points somewhere else because I’m tired of hearing them. When will you realize that we’re a society, a nation that should care about those that are struggling instead of belittling them with Limbaugh-like lies.
Iraq in this argument is not ridiculuous unless you can’t wrap your mind around spending trillions of dollars on a HIGHLY questionable war instead of providing for our own citizens. It’s myopic “concerned citizens” like yourself that are a disgrace to this nation. Take your $400 insurance plan and peddle it somewhere else.

Cheney on invading Baghdad.

Well Sue from Texas…boy you are living in a dream world. Have you heard what happened in Karachi today? Oh..yeah..those were just play terrorists that tried to kill Bhutto. Ever heard of Imad Mugniyah..he makes Bin Laden look like Howdy Doody and guess who he masterminds attacks for…wow…imagine that Iran! See since you liberals think that no threat exists whey not go live in Lebanon where you can see Hizbollah up close and personal. Yes let’s all imagine that we are living in a candy cane universe.

After the Dems take over the presidency, I look for the terrorists to explode a nuke on U.S. soil. What will idiots like Stark have to say then. Yes the war should be brought to a conclusion ASAP. Stark’s comments are out of order. God help us.

I think the whole situation is stupid and has gotten waaaayy out of hand a long time ago..I totally agree with STARK..you would rather spend billions of dollars fighting in a war insted of providing health care for children..and I also feel that all these people who feel that the comment was wrong take a long look in the mirror..The only thing that is a disgrace is the war period..wake up america..

Mr. David E., Maybe you should do a little research on Iraq before Bush’s “shock and awe” invasion. There not only were no terrorists in Iraq before Bush’s Blunder,there were no weapons of mass destruction and the terrorists feared to tread in Iraq. Why, you ask, because they feared Saddam much more than Curious George. What Bush did is not only wipe out a nation, but remove one of the best checks and balances we had in the region. Iran wasn’t about to fool around with Saddam either. I’m not saying Saddam was a saint, far from it, but I’ll bet if you ask most Iraqi’s, they’d take him over the current mess. And you mentioned the bombing in Karachi today, I bet those terrorists are from the Pakistan/Afghanistan border area. Unfortunately, Bush has put that battle on the back burner to focus on the oil war.

Read it & weep ,Bush!

i think pete starks comments were what i would expect from an old coward democrat. i have a son that is fighting right now north of bagdad. he is a 2nd Lt airborne ranger who loves his country and has the upmost respect for his commander in chief. the last communication i had with was 3 weeks ago. he told me then that the mainstreem media either did not have a clue what was going on in iraq or they just refuse to report anything good.he feels what he is doing is very justified. one other thing unless you have someone close like your first born that is away and you worry about them and thier safety every day you are not really in touch with reality. thanks army dad

I don’t think the President is amused but I believe he does not care very much. I am not partisan(since I can’t stand people who are)and it’s painful to think this.

The troops sure aren’t there for their own amusement. Do not forget for a minute that Bush and his handlers lied in order to start this war. That is documented truth, and even the most wingnut of historians will not be able to erase the facts.

Unless Fretnoy “Pete” Stark can prove his accusations, why isn’t this slander?
Posted by: jgg | Oct 18, 2007 6:41:15 PM
Because it’s obviously the truth, although I think Cheney’s selectively shredding and classifying any pertinent documents while I type.

the deaths in iraq are way down!!! unless they are down to zero people there are still too many solders dying in this stupid war…you wingnuts that support this war are crazy..these are our people that are dying for a bunch of chickenhawks that are cowards. this is a war that should never have been..we invade iraq before the terrorist came to the country and we are the invaders….if someone invaded the our country wouldn’t we do everything in our power to kill them…they didn’t ask us to invade..so they have a right to resist..it’s their country not ours and it’s their oil not ours!!!!!

If we didn’t have to fight the Democrats first since 9-11, we probably would have been able to concentrate on terriosts and would be done with the war already. Every step of the way the liberal Democrats have pissed and moaned and drug their feet when it came to protecting the people of this country and blamed everybody they could think of for this mess instead of getting behind the war effort and getting it overwith. All they have done for six years now is wyne and wimper about how nobody in charge is doing anything right, but they have NO suggestions to do it better nor do they do anything to help our fighting force, they just kept wyneing because they weren’t in control of congress, and now that they are, they haven’t done krap except wyne some more.

Stark is a jerk and jerks don’t know how or why they should apologize and that is why they are jerks.

Republican war mongers calling democrats cowards is like the bully on the block telling the kids he picks on they are cowards, when in reality everybody knows who has the problem.

Stark is a reflection of the idiots that put him in office.

TO TICKED OFF
If you studied your history you would know this country was not founded on
BIG GOVERMENT taking our money to make everyone equal. Which is something you support. That my friend is socialist thinking

You mean the kind of big gov’t that can spend trillions of dollars on war and military buildup? Is that the kind of big gov’t you are talking about?

Robert – Your claim that Clinton turned a blind eye on terrorism is not supported by his record. You can Google “Clinton Terror Record” and the evidence is to the contrary. I would even suggest that the military budget under his presidency must not have been too awful given the military available to Bush at the onset of his Iraq invasion worked pretty well.
I do not believe that either Bush nor Clinton would have prevented 9/11. The attack was very well planned and very clever and information shared in cloistered cells. It would likely have been discovered only by accident or incredible luck.
I thought then and still believe that the Iraq War was an extremely poor decision. Troops were drawn away from the pursuit of Osama and re-positioned to attack Saddam. I precepts for the war and the intelligence supporting them was badly vetted.
But the real fault lies with neocons like Wolfowitz, Libby, Cheney, Frum, Feith, Crystal and ultimately President Bush who made the decision.
I also find fault with the Congress of that time. They basically failed to exercise wisdom. Congress did not exercise oversight which is one of their central responsibilities. In essence, they abdicated their powers to the President.
Finally, the American public is responsible. We are a government of the people. Rather than really debating and coming to an understanding of the pros and cons, American society has slipped into labeling and pidgeon-holing people. This board and many of the talk show pundits are a fine examples of Americans disrespecting each other for holding different views.

Yes, Trillions of dollars fighting the war on poverty since about 1965.

This is representative of most of those who are trying to defeat the US in Iraq. Even Pelosi has been considering cutting off the supply lines through Turkey. It’s a common and effective tactic one employs against their enemies. It seems that many progressives have become even more animated recently about defeating the US in Iraq since Osama Bin Laden chastised the democrats for not defeating the US in Iraq as they promised when they were running for election. I’m sure he had high hopes on their election and those hopes have been fruitless so far and he feels misled by them.

J. Kline: Now I know you are just picking a fight! You’re bringing in facts that destroy the revised history some of us are relying on! :-)

The democrats have been promising to defeat the US in Iraq. This tirade sounds much like the agenda of Osama. It’s not surprising at all. Kind of like the way when Randi Rhodes trips and falls walking her dog the lefties are quick to blame it on some vast right wing conspiracy. It’s common. Why is anyone surprised this Al Qaeda propaganda spilling from a democrat’s mouth? Are not both working as hard as possible to defeat the US in Iraq? I think this is the typical rhetoric of both terrorists and progressives.

So, the truth hurts.
Better to kill the messenger than own up to the truth.

I really have to hand it to the Liberal groups like Media Matters and MoveOn.Org and to Liberal mega-donors like George Soros. They have done a very good job of brainwashing the American people into believing their lies about the War on Terror (or more precisely that there is no War on Terror), the War in Iraq (being illegal, all about oil; and more Iraqis have died since the beginning of the war than under Saddam Hussein), the Bush Administration (the true masterminds of 9/11; lying about WMDs; that he is lying every time he opens his mouth; he is the great terrorist the world has seen; and now, that Bush gets amusement when soldiers get their heads blown off) and the Republican Party (the culture of corruption; the party that doesn’t care about children). You can believe these lies all you want. That is your right. But the day will come that the REAL TRUTH will be known.
And if the Liberals do eventually get their way, I pray that when the bombs do come, that none of you liberals are anywhere near them. That way you can live the remainder of your lives knowing you played a huge part in the downfall of America.

This guy must be on the Republican payroll for the damage he did with this remark. I’m a moderate, and this will drive moderates from the Democratic Party. Apologize? He should have immediately apologized without being asked.

it’s not for amusement nor paranoia, only for greed and power, these morons are making money as silent partners with companies that are making more money each day in the war in Iraq, than we can fathom making in a lifetime.

I would just like to say can’t we all just get along here! I am fed up with so many things. Currently, a student who came from modest up-bringings; I believe there needs to be more focus on domestic policies. I don’t agree with name calling and attacking; however it’s difficult to get a point out to the Bush Administration without attacking…. so cheers to you Pete Stark…. and cheers to John Murtha my local congressman… it’s just too bad that everyone didn’t follow and rally behind him!!
I just wish we could get along, and I wished that people would stand behind other people… we have become to prudish and self-sustaining of a people… built on the individual not the group… Lets consider others, help others, and not be so bloody rude when someone disagrees…. we still have the right to speak our minds in this the USA don’t we???

Bush has gone out of his way in finding ways to bring harm to our country. There is no worse enemy of our country and our Constitution than the man who took an oath to defend them to the best of his ability….

Let’s see, domestically: 4.7% unemployment; 49 months of job growth (the longest uninterrupted expansion of the U. S. labor market) ; 8.1 million jobs created since August 2003, real after-tax per capita personal income has increased an average of $3,750 per person since Jan 20, 2001; real wages have grown 2.2% in the 12 months that ended in August; the Dow Jones Industrial Average Index has gone over 14,000 twice this year setting the all-time high intraday record of 14,280 just the other day; and the S&P 500 Index setting the all-time high intraday record of 1,576.09 recently. Those are the FACTS! Yet the MoveOn.org crowd would have you believe we are in a recession and the economy is the worst since the Great Depression.
It is interesting that on President Bush’s watch, Libya gave up its WMD programs and North Korea now says it will dismantle its nuclear program. Now then, President Bush has a long term vision for the Middle East: Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon and the two-states of Israel and Palestine all flourishing democracies as role models for the rest of the Middle East. And a defeated al Qaeda; and a much diminished Hezbollah, Hamas, and Al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades.
But the Liberals want to roll back the Bush tax cuts, raise taxes on EVERYONE including the poor (i.e. the federal taxes on cigarettes and gasoline). That will result in the U. S. economy taking a nose dive and unemployment will skyrocket. They also want the federal government to control a universal health care program, that will cripple the economy even further. But even worse will be their willingness to attempt to negotiate and reason with the terrorists. That will be tantamount to negotiating and reasoning with a starving lion. The result will be a series of really great meals for the lion.

Every liberal comment made here so far has one thing in common….. the belief that “it’s all their fault,” (and most of them won’t get this comment).

Why do all you repubs call the Iraq war “Protecting America’s Freedom”??? When Iraq was shown to have nothing to do with 911?????????????????Why are we there???

Even the Liberal pundits on MSNBC, agreed this remark was out of line. This will be just another ad that the Repubs will use in the coming election. He should withdraw his remarks.

AMAZING!!!!!!!! Reading all of these comments just reinforces how badly George Bush has divided this country. It seems that we as a people can no longer agree on ANYTHING.——-Face it – 1/2 if us think that health care for EVERYBODY (we are supposed to be the greatest country in the world) is more important than an unnecessary, stupid war that had NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11 OR TERRORIST (until after we invaded). It is costing a rediculous amount of money that could be better spent elsewhere, it is costing the lives of American soldiers (not to mention the severly injured soldiers who are returning to this country and getting NON TREATMENT at military hospitals like Walter Reed, it is costing the lives of innocent people in Iraq, and all for WHAT?????????——Bush is not listening to the now majority of the country and is SO ARROGANT AND STUBBORN HE WAS PROBABLY START ARMAGEDDON (spell?)! I don’t know if the damage he has caused can be repaired at this point and it scares the hell out of me!!!!!!!!!!!!

Concerned citizen, TheOldTrooper , why are you so scared of Iraq? Only a coward would cringe and demand War in the wrong country. That’s like attacking Denmark for something China did. The War in Iraq has been lost, GWB declared VICTORY, but we still have terrorism. Suck it up you fraidy-cats and lets attack the real terrorist producing country. I won’t speculate good starting points, but, it rymes with Maudi Marabia.

A pathetic OLD man who needs to be committed to a psych unit. He should be up in Yosts weaving baskets. Had this been in WWII he would be hauled off to jail and charged with treason. This DEM is indicitive of the Liberal mindset. All independents should be scared of Him, Clinton, Obama, Levin, Reid, Pelosi, Kennedy, Schumer, et al. Have some morals American vote these DEMs out. They are sad examples of human beings.

James as usual so correct.
‘M’ Are you joking, President Bush has reached over the aisle too many times for my liking, This Bush Derangement syndrome of you libs is sad! When Japan attacked Pearl Harbor against Hitler’s wishes why did we go to war with Hitler, because he was a threat too. See wars have more then one front ok, you libs want to degrade America and praise the enemy. Oh and last count on Iraqi’s killed was approx 70,000 NOT 200,000 and that is small in comparison to way wars use to be fought. Maybe instead of blaming America, you should be say hey Iraqi’s are being killed means they are standing up against the terrorists.
As far as Stark well he is brain damaged and a liar as the other libs.
President Bush wants to extend SCHIP but only for the poor children he did want to increase it, but did not want to put on it people that already have private healthcare for those making over 82,000
HE does not want Socialism of any kind and that is what this is, it is a backdoor entrance for Hilary care 9.0.
Now as far as the one who commented on ‘no child’ well it does work but there are states that are refusing to follow it, leaving Billions of unspent money, why because the libs are in the pockets of Teacher’s unions.
I find it funny during Clintons term these issues were never addressed, Libs complain but never give options to improve. Why is that – well because the libs want to keep people down, to control them, Marxism 101.
Maybe if teachers would stop trying to indoctrinate the children to socialist views, and teach them then maybe scores would go up. See when a Geology teacher holds a sample court for war crimes, shows that lib teachers ARE NOT teaching, because what does geolgy have to do with politics??
When teachers show a comedy file ‘Inconvenient Truth’ shows they do not want to teach, so much was proven wrong in that film that it would make Transformers true to life.
So I realized where the word Lib’ came from they changed the ‘e’ to a ‘b’.
Stark should resign and move out of the country.

“4.7% unemployment? Does this include the people who have been out of work so long that they are no longer receiving unemployment compensation? I didn’t think so”
no, the numbers dont include that. nor have the numbers EVER included that, so the comparisons to previous stats are valid and your pathetic attempt to discredit the number is itself discredited

Hello,
It is so sad. Those of you that love what Stark said on the floor of our house need help. Realy. You need help. Most of you have know idea what the SCHIP program is. Or who it is for. I’m not here to teach you either. Now some of you are Socialist or Communist. Hense, America, the Republican Party and Freedom are your enemy. There’s no talking to you. Your hatred of America is to great. Now there may be some here that are open to information that they have not heard or read. Too those few. Please do your own research. If you take the time, with an opened mind, you will learn that the current coverage of SCHIP covers the people that it was mean to cover. If you are a person that wants to live from their own resources. You will see loads of waste. If you feel that you did’nt ask to be born. And that the Government is your mommy and daddy. Then you will feel that more is needed. It all depends on you. Should I have my neighbor work and pay my way threw life. Or should I work, learn and improve myself. Then enjoy the fruits of my labor. Whichever. Someone has to pay. In one way or another.

And the Democrats wonder why they have the reputation of NOT supporting our military???

Please give facts? of your lie.
So let me get this right your own libs say we need illegals because of needed jobs, but yet we have Americans as you say it out of work. So which is it, how many people do you know that are actively seeking employment that there benefits ran out?
An American – Got remember something the Libs think this should be a job of the police and the useless UN.
Heres some side info in the last week we have learned that libs want the folowing
1 – sites where druggies can use illegal drugs supervised
2 – Sex for 11 year olds is ok
3 – Parents can not be involved in their kids school activity without getting background checks that the teachers do not even get
4 – Rights for Sex offenders
5 – earmarks for a Hippie Museum
6 – desecration of a Christian Chuch
7 – HIGHER TAXES
well at least they created a so far 2.1 million dollar donation to military families, which i hope is making their skin crawl.
Do not forget No Healthcare for illegals, which is a lie because they already get it.

Here’s how the far right will fix all these problems cited by spock:
1. Arrest millions more drug users and lock them up permanently (after all, they’re never cured, right?)
2. Require girls starting at age 11 to have zero contact with boys and men, not even teachers. None of this immoral dating, only arranged marriages are allowed. Hey, it works in Afghanistan – not too many pregant 11 year olds there!
3. None of these secular school activities nonsense – it only makes girls “worldly” and distracts them from their principal goal in life, which is to marry and obey their husbands.
4. Sex offenders must be stoned to death, as it says in the Bible.
5. Get rid of most all museums, since they are all swamps of immorality (how dare they show statues of nudes, even if they are 2000 years old!) We should have only art approved by the proper authorities, such as Fox news.
6. Churches: people should be required to attend church, like in the good old days. Then the atheists can’t get out of listening to those annoying, boring sermons telling us we’re all going to hell unless we give more money.
7. NO TAXES AT ALL FOR THE RICH! Make the poor pay them all, like the ancient Romans did.

Folks, you gotta recall. If insurance companies were not money grabbing thieves, we would not be in a position today of needing to nationalize health care. They are thieves, and they are chief supporters of the Bush Regime. The cigarette manufacturers are also Bush Idiots – this is probably the real reason why Bush won’t sign for SCHIP. Don’t let Bush lie to you. Wake Up!!!

AlChemist – Where do I start
All the Lib propaganda, when someone disagrees with you lib, you go to an extreme level on absurdity
1 – When you set up these places is it saying you condone it. Now if we close the border that will solve 75% of the drug problem.
2 – Are you kidding, 11 year olds do not belong dating period, I do not even remember thinking of girls that way at 11, the whole aspect of giving an 11 year old the pill against parents wishes is sick, there is no defense to doing it, and I did not want my daughter dating until she was 60, but I had to relent and allow 16 supervised. Again by doing this will tell the kids it is condoned and it is ok.
3 – So your saying parents should not be involved in their kids education, well we need to allow school vouchers in this case.
4 – Stoned, no I will go for the electric chair
5 – First of tax money should not go for any private museum, and especially one that is being sposored by a heavy contributer to Clinton. Again you are way off here.
6 – So you believe it is ok to desacrate a church
7 here are fact for you for taxes -
1 – top 1% of earners pay 35% tax bill
2 – top 20% pay 85% of tax bill
3 – Pres. Bush has raised the exempt level for paying taxes from Clinton 14,000 to 20,000 (oh the dems want to get rid of this)
So all in all you have proven that you libs only read talking points put out by Stalin

Spock, you sound like a fine fellow. Here’s an idea that might work: solve the drug problem by arresting millions of the “druggies” as you call them and put them to work weeding the farm fields – with no pay of course – that lazy Americans won’t do! And food prices will go down! See, there is a common ground, after all.

Hello James Danley;
BZ . Great job. Your comment is correct. It is good to know that you and many others are out there.
The best thing about your comment is. It has no hate speak in it. Unlike the others that I have read.
Great.

The only thing I find wrong with Stark’s statement is that his fellow congress people are not backing him up and agreeing with him. I agree with him – death, suffering and destruction seem to roll off GWB like water off a duck’s back. Remember his bradoccia “bring em on” scream? Well, they did and our innocent kids and innocent Iraqis are dying for his bluster and ego trip. Stark is right – GWB is being amused by it all.

Let’s stick to the issue here; Starks remarks which border on treason.
Where is the vote to censure?

DK, the 8.1 million jobs created since August 2003 is a NET gain. And that number only counts non-farm payroll jobs that were created. There are millions of self-employed and contract workers who are not included in this total. The self-employed, however, are included in the unemployment rate. That is why you need to look at both figures.

Let’s get back on topic.
Congressman Stark should retract his statement and apologize to the House, our Commander-in-Chief, and the families of our soldiers and commanders fighting terror overseas.

Erie: >HYPOCRITES, TOTALLY MORALLY BANKRUPT! ! ! ! ! ! !< ???
Al Gore: Criticizes Bush for ignoring Iraq's ties to terrorism
Clinton 11/15/1998: Cites the Reasons for signing the Iraq Liberation Act, said Saddam Hussein and his regime was a threat to his own people and to the "whole world".
Sandy Berger (the national security doc archive thief) Discusses letter sent to President Clinton by Dem & Rep. Senators in October 1998 urging him to get serious on the Iraq liberation act and Saddam's refusal to comply with U.N. security council resolutions relating to WMD.
Former Clinton Administration Secretary of Defense William Cohen: Links Osama Bin Laden To Saddam's WMD Program

If anyone should apologize, it’s the entire lot of GOP Corporate Puppets who have squandered the precious lives of America’s finest and the many thousands of civilian Iraqi men, women, and children. They can spend a TRILLION dollars for GWB’s ILLEGAL INVASION while at the same time veto with extreme prejudice a miniscule increase in children’s health care funding. These self righteous, self-enriching will be shown the door in due time. WE THE PEOPLE applaud you Senator Stark.

The invasion of Iraq was completely legal. First, UN Resolution 1441 was a final ultimatum for Saddam Hussein to comply with his disarmament obligation as outlined in UN Resolution 660, Resolution 661, Resolution 678, Resolution 686, Resolution 687, Resolution 688, Resolution 707, Resolution 715, Resolution 986 and Resolution 1284. He failed to comply in each instance. When it became apparent that the UN was not going to follow through with its final ultimatum, President Bush gave his own ultimatum. When Saddam Hussein again failed to comply, with the authority of the U. S. Congress, President Bush ordered the invasion to overthrow Saddam Hussein. It is that simple. It makes no difference whether there was WMDs or not. Saddam Hussein not only had the obligation to disclose his WMDs or prove that he no longer had WMDs, but he also was in violation of constructing prohibited types of missiles, purchasing of prohibited armaments and he continued to refuse to compensate Kuwait for the widespread looting conducted by his troops in 1991. All of which was part of the terms for the ceasefire in 1991.
For those who want to ignore Saddam Hussein’s continued failure to comply with the various UN resolutions, and claim that the United States did not have the right to invade Iraq, you are once again incorrect. Saddam Hussein fired missles at our planes on several occasions. Granted some of these were in the UN’s no-fly zone which Saddam Hussein did not recognize. But he also fired a missle at one of our planes when it was in Kuwaiti air space. THAT was an act of war in and of itself.
Now as for the “veto with extreme prejudice a miniscule increase in children’s health care funding,” there are a number of reasons for the veto. (1) The Democrats wanted to pay for the increase by raising the tax on cigarettes, which is an added tax on the poor who smoke; (2) The definition of children in this bill include individuals up to age 25; (3) The bill would open the door for families making as much as $82,000 to be eligible; (4) But most importantly, the Democrats wanted to expand the coverage to include individuals already covered by private health insurance.
Finally, the Democrats were shameless in their use of children already covered by SCHIP in commercials claiming that failure to override the veto would mean they won’t be covered.

IRAQ HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 911!!! FACE IT REPUB LOSERS.

James said: “It makes no difference whether there was WMDs or not.” OH YES IT DOES. I doubt that Congress would have authorized the war if the faulty intelligence hadn’t been hidden from them by BUSHIE AND HIS CRONIES. It’s been documented and proven that Bush hand picked his intellgence and that it was disproven that 1. WMD’s existed 2. Sudamm had ANYTHING to do with 911.

I served in OIF I and III and I’m waiting for Rep. Stark to apologize for suggesting that I illegally killed innocent people. On second thought, I don’t want an apology. I want him to resign immediately! His comments were easily the most despicable words that have EVER been spoken on the floor of Congress! Typical Democrat.

ididit4u, the Democrats used children ALREADY COVERED by the SCHIP program. They used these children and had them lie, claiming that they would not be covered if the veto was not overridden — when they already were covered. If the Democrats had to have children make this claim, the least they could have done was actually had children who were not currently covered — like a few of the 25 year-olds that would have been covered had the bill been overridden.

Cory,IF THE WAR IS VIEWED AS ILLEGAL, then, ANY INNOCENT people killed, would be ILLEGAL. This is a free country, we have “freedom of speech”, the floor of the Congress is NO EXCEPTION!

Finally, if GWB didn’t “handpick” the intelligence he put out, AND the pictures of “weapons under tarps” were really there, then why didn’t we recover them during the War? Why didn’t we bomb the Al-Quaeda camp? Are we safe from terrorists now that we’ve won in Iraq? Which freedoms are being saved in Iraq? Why are we “saving” the same people that cheer American Casualties? You think we are doing the right thing by saving these people, get off a plane in Iraq, with no bodyguards, no makeup. Lets see how safe you are, lets see how friendly they are, lets see how they show their gratitude for a trillion dollars spent “freeing” them.

Danley, get used to shameless politicians…..Foley, Craig, Vitter, Limbaugh, Ney, DeLay, Taft, etc.. By-the-way, I appreciate the 4 reasons you are against Improved Child Health Care, when I look at 150 billion, for Iraq, I think 36 billion is a small price to pay for the Health of the next generation, and I simply do not agree with them.

ididit4u, we have a fundamential disagreement and that’s fine! You seem to be in favor of government controlled “womb-to-tomb” universal health care for everyone. And that is your God-given and Constitutional right to that opinion. I just don’t believe the federal government should take away a person’s right to refuse medical treatment.

GWB handpicked the intelligence directing us into this last Iraqi conflict, Yes, it does seem to be true, where are the Nuclear Warheads that were under the tarps before the invasion? This stuff about 1998, is your posting.

As for Stark he’s a tanglefoot anyway, as for childrens health care It would be good for children under the poverty level.

My point in bringing up 1998 is that Democrats were adamant in their claims that Saddam Hussein had WMDs back then. So when President Clinton briefed President Elect Bush, Bush received Clinton’s intelligence reports. I didn’t just create this out of thin air. Congress DID give President Clinton the authorization for regime change in Iraq and WMDs was a part of the perceived threat. Google it! I just wish all of you who claim Bush lied about WMDs would at least recognize that Clinton and all of the Democrats lied about WMDs.
Now as for the House rules, apparently there is a time limit and a particular procedure for asking for remarks to be censured that was not followed. But Rep. Pelosi did condemn Rep. Starks remarks this evening: “While members of Congress are passionate about their views, what Congressman Stark said during the debate was inappropriate and distracted from the seriousness of the subject at hand — providing health care for America’s children.”
There is no constitutional right to health care insurance. However, all states now provide emergency services to anyone regardless of whether they have insurance or the means to pay (even illegal aliens).

I was gone, and now I’m back. I see that you think that people wouldn’t want health care. That’s crazy, considering medical bills are the#1 reason for bankruptsy and high debt in the U.S. Think about how that affects the economy. Bankrupsy does more damage to businesses and the economy than providing health care for children. Get your priorities right.
Secondly, regarding your claim that back in 98 the Dems proclaimed Suddam a threat. Well that is true, but they also managed to air strike him, disabling any chance he had of becoming an actual threat to American soil. There was no need to go in and ground assault Iraq, spending billions to overthrow him and rebuild that country.

Whatthe? Great comment!!
M, you misunderstand my comment. I will explain it differently. I am not against private medical health insurance for those who want it. Right now the claims are that 40 million out of 300+ million Americans do not have medical health insurance. The government wants to force these 40 million to have insurance (incidentally these numbers may be including illegal aliens). I certainly don’t know the actual break down, but millions of these individuals do not want to have to pay $1,500 to $3,000 annually in premiums when the only visit a doctor once a year or maybe even once every 5 years. If the latter, that individual would pay between $7,500 and $15,000 in premiums in the five years while currently only paying about $150 every five years.
Right now you have the right to refuse medical care for whatever reason. But once the government steps in and becomes the sole HMO, it will be the government that decides whether you MUST have a procedure; or whether you even qualify for a particular procedure; when you can receive the procedure; and which doctor will perform it. Just look at the current proposals out there as part of the discussion on universal health care. Former Senator John Edwards (and others) propose to require mandatory annual physicals. Then you will have all 300+ million Americans trying to see their doctors. Now I know that the politicians are claiming that you will have plenty of choices, but that is only in the beginning. In due time, the government will begin placing limitations on those choices and eventually make one plan fit everyone.
Now then, many on the Left tout how well socialized “womb-to-tomb” universal health care is doing in Europe and Canada. That’s because the individual goverments send out these great looking brochures and make it all look so great. But in reality, patients have to wait months for necessary surgery that is their government considers as “elective” surgery. Large numbers of Canadians are coming across the border and paying cash for procedures that Canada will not cover or for which they have to wait months if not years to schedule. The joke is already out there that if the United States goes to universal health care where will the Canadians get their health care?

So why did the Dem Congress not proceed with impeachment? If what you say is true the Congress is derelict and equally impeachable. I think to say that when Bush and Cheney are gone whats wrong with our Government will be cured is pretty niave. Whats wrong with the Federal Government is that it does thousands of things it is not athorized, while neglecting what is demanded by the Constitution of the United STATES.

James Danley, your last paragraph describes a “pseudo-dictatorship”. He IS required to do the will of those that elected him, penalty for not…IMPEACHMENT!

Here’s something to consider, The President IS LIMITED to the Constitution of THIS country. Anything done to foreign citizens is open to intrpretation. If this war is illegal by OTHER intrpretations, we would need to reconsider the BOUNDARIES of our Constitution. Bush is BY ANY INTERPRETATION A WAR CRIMINAL, if not by our laws, then at the very least, by the laws of the countries we are opressing. Some of you are playing with words, like because OUR CONSTITUTION allows it, IT MUST BE LEGAL, WORLDWIDE, and it isn’t.

ididit4u wrote: “He (the President of the United States) IS required to do the will of those that elected him, penalty for not…IMPEACHMENT!”
Sorry, but that is NOT in the U. S. Constitution. Article II, Section 4 states: “The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.”
Not fulfilling the will of the people is NOT an impeachable offense. And that is because the will of the people changes. The Iraq war is an excellent case. At the time that we invaded Iraq it WAS the will of the people. You can’t run a war or every day duties by holding an election to determine exactly what the will of the people is for every decision. Remember this is a Republic. And as such we elect our officials and give them the responsiblity of making the decisions. IF the will of the people is NOT followed, the people have the opportunity to vote the officials out of office should they run for re-election. Now some jurisdictions do have recall options. But federal officers are NOT subject to recall. Only impeachment.

You guys continue to say that Bush picked the intelligence he wanted. I have said this before and I will say it again. Why aren’t you as upset about President Clinton, Vice President Al Gore, Sen. John Kerry, former Sen. Tom Daschle, Sen John Rockefeller, Sen. Carl Levin, Rep. Nancy Pelosi and about 2 dozen other Democrats who said everything that President Bush said, and even more, about Iraq having WMDs — three years BEFORE BUSH EVER BECAME PRESIDENT. You guys are cherry picking your own evidence to “prove” a lie, that was nothing more than faulty intelligence.
And for the third or fourth time, it doesn’t matter whether Saddam Hussein actually had or didn’t have WMDs. The cease fire in 1991 was predicated on Saddam Hussein complying with every UN Security Council resolution. For years Saddam Hussein failed to comply with these resolutions. And just ONE of the items was to fully disclose all of his WMD programs; AND if he no longer had WMDs he had to PROVE that he destroyed the WMDs. Saddam Hussein NEVER PROVED that he had destroyed the WMDs. Therefore he was NOT complying.
President Bush had the same intelligence — the very same intelligence — that the Democrats had in which Congress authorized regime change in 1998. After 9/11 President Bush decided that we would no longer wait to react to a perceived threat. Since the intelligence said that Saddam Hussein still had WMDs and since Iraq had begun harboring al Qaeda by 2002 — allowing them to have a training camp in northern Iraq, we were not going to wait until Saddam Hussein gave WMDs or any of his long range missiles to al Qaeda. So since the UN Security Council refused to follow through on its FINAL ULTIMATUM, President Bush gave his own ultimatum. Saddam Hussein wanted the entire world, and especially his neighbors, to believe he had WMDs so he could bully them around. France and Germany had convinced him that the United States would not follow through on its threat of invasion. So he chose NOT to comply with the UN resolutions and then he chose not to comply with President Bush’s final ultimatum. THAT IS WHY WE WENT TO WAR.
Now then as to the incident in the Philippines, President Bush was NOT detained by government officials because they believed he was a war criminal. There was a mass protest by a throng of everyday citizens that were chanting and burning American flags. They protested because it was they who believed President Bush was a war criminal. The protest got out of hand and this delayed by at least an hour President Bush’s trip to Batasan where he addressed a joint session of the Senate and House of Representatives.
I am not aware of a single court of law anywhere that has ever convicted President Bush of being a war criminal. People, like yourself, may believe he is a war criminal, but just believing someone is a war criminal doesn’t prove that he is. Interesting that your hatred for President Bush tosses out the “innocent until proven guilty” tenant that we Americans cherish so much.

I see nothing wrong with Stark’s comments. If Bush can start an unnecessary war, divert us from the true terorist, get us into unprecedented national debt, why can’t someone state in rather blatent terms the underlying truth about this horrible administration? If Democrats condemn his comments, they are once again shirking their responsibility to keep this radical administration in check.

Monicka and all the rest of libs where do you get your info? please let us know. Becasue you all wrong
The deficit is lowest its been 1.9%
The debt is lower then during clintons term
Why during Clintons term we were hit 9+ times under Pres Bush – NONE
NK is giving up Nukes
Libya gave up WMDs
50 million people freed
This is called Bush Derangment syndrome – ignore the facts and blame Pres Bush
Stark needs to resign NOW!