Pelosi Wavering on Armenian Resolution

Good. Another Pelosi surreneder. Wise choice.

Pelosi is pushing this resolution so she can hamstring the war effort and hasten America’s defeat and ultimate destruction. Now, she’s getting cold feet. Ahmadinajad and Assad must have told her to cool it. One can only speculate as to why.

No moral compass left in Congress either.

I hope she has come to her senses…this kind of domestic pandering is what gets us into all kinds of unintended consequences on the world stage. Let’s lets have one Secretary of State at a time.

Maybe Nancy is afraid of getting the Ottomon Empire mad at us. Congress is right on top of things!
james

Another Dem smoke screen perpetrated by the Pelosistos. We know it’s happened and our sympathies go out for all involved. But what are these clowns in Washington doing wasting time and money (Oh! that’s what they do for a living) digging up dead issues while American public policies and interests languish or are held hostage by foreign dicates and dictators.

Well, “Truth Seeker” my great grandmother was scalped by the Indians, but I don’t carry a grudge about it. My immigrant father was discriminated against and called ethnic slur names, but I don’t cry about it. Pelosi is folding because this resolution will do no good and plenty of bad, like raising oil prices by raising tensions between Turkey and Iraq. The only consolation is: Pelosi and the Democrats could be busy doing real harm, but fortunately they have stayed occupied with silliness, meaningless resolutions and toothless hearings.
-Mark Twain

Where will Congress and Pelosi stop? What’s next..condeming Greece for something that happened in the Peloponnesian War??!!

What, you mean Pelosi is not playing the same partisan game the GOP are so known for? You mean she is acting according to how she is supposed to act, and govern democratically with a majority consensus? GASP!

Turkey should shut up on this issue: it was not even under the same government then. This all happened long before the founding of the Turkish Republic under Ataturk, and represents a failed policy of a failed government. Modern Turkey should actually favor this resolution.

She didn’t get cold feet – she got caught. In any sane world, in other words, one where Dems could actually do something despicable enough that the media would not give them a pass on it, this would be the end of the Democrats’ chances for the next election.
In today’s America, run by the media for the convenience of Democrats, it will be quickly “forgotten”.

Oh, this is got to hurt. She was probably sure that she could finally defeat the US in Iraq if she could only take out our supply line. It’s a fairly effective tactic to destroy your enemy. She almost had defeated the US. If she doesn’t capitulate, she still might be able to.

Idiotic move. She knew what Turkey’s and her allies’ responses will be. So what was she trying to accomplish?

pelosi is a grade a nitwit. I guess that 4 year degree in government from the little college was not quite enough. She better call her stooges and ask if it’s okay to not trash the global oil market and middle east relations this week. What a moron.

It seems Ms. Pelosi didn’t have enough votes for blatant, open sedition and the sabotage of U.S. relations with our allies from the house floor. Who’d a’ thunk a woman from San Francisco would become the pulse of America….
So the democrats will have to work to obtain more house and senate seats before they can adequately undermine us under the rule of law. No problem…their immigration program insures a democrat majority for at least a generation. Then they can rot the American soul most effectively. Man, these people suck.

you tell ‘em gridironchick…point well taken, although to be honest there is enough hate and bitterness to go around aplenty already so i cant really sanction or approve of your attitude or approach as i dont see how it ( placing official blame for a genocide/crime committed long ago) will make the world a better safer place today, in the long or short term. your way of thinking didnt help matters much after cambodia or rwanda or wounded knee either. the big problem is that your (and i suppose many others’ as well) attitude really does nothing to heal and everything to keep sore wounds open.
anyone who would attempt to do even superficial research on the ottoman /armenian incident would come to the truth eventually anyhow, no matter who “officially” acknowledges or disavows what really did happen then, or if it even ever did happen for that matter.
i think holding grudges about things they cant undo/change is the human condition unfortunately . i guess its just our evolved nature to be wary and mindful of past bad/hurtful experiences but to even TRY to forgive and forget is a wonderfully uplifting and angst releasing alternative ,try it before you knock it.
and lastly for all you dem/pelosi haters , well ive got extra good news for you ,and you might want to make a note of this for your financial consultant(s) and tax advisor(s)…
GET READY FOR HILLARY (AND NANCY) TO RAISE YOUR RICH FATCAT TAX RATES TO THE #$#@$# TROPOSPHERE FOR THE NEXT 8 YEARS OR SO!! ;}

and btw,for all of you that still dont understand how american politics really work,let me enlighten you.
this whole turkey issue is totally bipartisan with ms pelosi and the white house in unison ,albeit a very covert unison. but why is it happening just now,about 100 yrs later, you query?
ever hear of the “good cop” “bad cop” scenario?
its a ploy/method used to coerce and/or psychologically dominate someone (in this case a sovereign country), generally in order to get details/information or,in this case in particular, acquiescence.
theres also the “carrot” and “stick” approach where either incentives (carrot) or deterrences (stick) are offered to obtain the desired results/scenario.
see if that resolution/bill goes through and passes then turkey as a nation isnt shown in its best light internationally for the rest of “official” history, which they REALLY dont want (aka stick), thats nancys role here, the “bad cop” . BUT…if bushy and his peanut gallery(the good cops in this scenario) “appear” to stop said resolution (aka carrot), it then gives this administration much more sway with the turkish government , which is desperately needed right now with the pkk apparently carrying out separatist/terrorist ops against turkey from within iraq and the usa asking for and needing turkish military restraint.
this way turkey knows there is indeed a price to pay for any military incursions into iraq , (ie; binding house resolution on ww1 turkish genocide//aka stick) as opposed to the carrot approach (aka we give them lots of military/economic aid =$$) which is evidently much more palatable for them…
this “resolution” was and is going nowhere,(as planned) that is as long as turkey is our appreciative and helpful ally.

Pretty disgusting if Pelosi abandons ship. Most of the neanderthals on this blog don’t realize that the Armenian genocide is the only one that American officials dare not speak. You have to wonder why. Is it because genocide by ally is no genocide at all?
Congrats, liberals and progressives, you helped kill a genocide denial bill and have given free reign to the deniers.
Don’t complain even once if Turkey commits atrocities against the Kurds in the coming years, because Turkey certainly has gotten the message tonight about what it means to be an ally.

All Pelosi ever does is talk a big game to get her face on TV and then backdown like the wimp she is. The Dems need to get rid of the witch and put someone in power that has the “cookies” to do their job. It’s evident Nasty Nancy doesn’t.

So should we all forget the jewish holycust.That it never happened.Turkey is just like a baby. Bush should be ashame.The oil prices up and unemployment high.I think americans should leave Iraq.

Pelosi needs to just shut up and they need to do some real business on the hill. I do not agree with most that goes on currently from Bush and Co., but that does not mean I agree with this either. Our government is a joke. All of them.

How about that another Pelosi BLUNDER. She and Harry are so inept. Looks like even her favorite DEMs are abandoning here in droves. Looks like her back door attempt to slow the war failed. Try again you pinko. Go Cindy! beat this over the hill con artist.

Hey Nanny-Pants, I’ll make you a deal. Ms Pelosi, I’ll support your resolution to defeat the US in Iraq by condemning Turkey for what they did in 1915, if you’ll publically work on a resolution to condemn Canada for it’s holocaust of the native people of Canada. Fair enough? Then we’ll condemn the Brits, the French, the Africans, the Spanish, Cuba, Italy, Chinese, Japanese… You wanna throw the US in there too? Why not? Blame America firstis the progressive thing to do. Should we do this alphabetically or by time? No, maybe we should do it in order of what could be most damaging for us first to least or is there some other reason you want to pick the one that would help you defeat the US in Iraq? I think that’s all her agenda is on this. Cutting off the cupply routes to your enemy is a very effective tactic and I know she’s promised our defeat in Iraq. Ever since Osama Bin Laden as voiced his displeasure in the democrats not living up to their promises to deliver our defeat, she’s really needed to step up her efforts to keep that base of support.

Looking back over the many comments on this site it’s easy to see why Congress’ approval rating is in the toilet where it belongs, thanx to the total incompetence of Pelosi & Reed. Their obsessive hatred of Bush leads them down any dark path and keeps them from doing what used to be called “the people’s business.” As bad as Bush may be, these clowns are determined to outdo him. THROW THE BUMS OUT!

homjett dont get your hopes up. even if pelosi and reid get voted out you can be SURE some other democrat will take their place. the overwhelming majority of the american people have definitely had just about enough of your heros’ “victories” .yeah , thats all we need more, republican “victories” like the ones this nation has had to suffer/endure for the last 8 yrs.
you ,my friend, need to start reading the newspapers.
theres gonna be a female democrat president soon ,(with her husband in the navigator position) to ally with pelosi and reid …and watch how fast things start to happen then
rich folks, just get ready for your upcoming long term huge tax increase ok?? and yes you will soon be the ones largely paying for my health insurance,thanks… ;]

the honest truth is that the republican party and their money grubbing ethics (or more correctly, their blatant lack of any real mainstream american core ethics/values) are a nasty festering pustule on the skin of this great nation.
the whole movement/party is corrupt , septic and should be lanced, drained and cleaned with a suitable strong disinfectant, until this country is healthy again. they are indeed the internal parasitic enemy of a healthy well balanced nation.
i hope (and am rather sure) nancy , hillary (& bill) and the rest of the democrats will do just that in the next 4-8 yrs.

Pelosi is a moron.
She needs to resign.

in my last post above where i typed ” myriad republican mistakes over the past 30 yrs”
that should read ” myriad republican money grabbing schemes disguised as bumbling mistakes over the past 30 yrs “

Hey Ani, what history book did you read that states the Turks have committed ‘genocide’. Why do you think this issue has not been resolved for the last 91 years. Nancy Pelosi should be deported from the country, let alone be commended (what a joke). Here is the “So-Called Genocide of Armenians for Dummies”:
1.) The 20th Century started (WWI) with bloodshed. The massacre started by the Ottoman Empire started with the slaughtering of Muslims.
2.) The West (U.S. included), who called themselves Christans turned their face the other way.
3.) Whatever happened to the Armenians of 1915 was the miscalculations of their people.
4.) When the Americans hear the word “genocide” they immediately think the Holocaust. They think of killing all the people of one group. This did not happen with Armenians, because most of them survived, majority of Armenians deported/relocated by the Ottoman Turks to Syria and Iraq lived on, they could have been killed by the Turks, they were not killed, the Turkish people and government actually fed and tended to these people.
Here is what happened, 29 Jan 1915,
(Preserved Russian Nationalist Communist Party Central Committee) discovered recently in the classified archives, tells the actions of Armenian Rebels:
“The reports received by the First Caucasian Army Commander reveals that some Armenian rebels active in the region, have gone into cities and settlements and established themselves at Turkish households there. Instigated by the French and supported by the Russians, they refuse to abide by orders and started killing innocent Turkish civilians.
The Ottoman Empire would not have lasted for 623 years by suppressing or bullying people of other ethnic groups without being noticed. The Turks claim about 300,000 Armenians were killed due to an uprising by the Armenians, or a majority died from famine. The Armenian’s claim about 1.5 million Armenian’s were slaughtered by the Turks, first of all, if you read the c. 1915 there were about 650,000 to 800,000 Armenians in Turkey. In order for the Turks to kill 1.5 million people, the dead would have to awake and be killed again by the Turks.
The Turks were very tolerant of there people residing within the empire. Have you ever wandered why Turkish is not spoken anymore in the Balkans, Northern Africa, or Caucasia where the Turks ruled for over 6 centuries. Greek, Serbian, Slovak, Arabic, as well as Italian languages were freely spoken in the Turkish Empire.
The Armenians are no little innocent angels either, they killed many Turkish and Kurdish civilians during the uprising. The Turks had a law, an administration regulated provisional law this is known as the “Relocation law” it comprises four articles, the First Article stipulates: TO RETURN FORCE, AND DESTROY IN CASE OF OPPOSITION TO STATE FORCES, AND DISRUPTION OF ESTABLISHED PUBLIC ORDER AND ARMED ASSAULT AND/OR RESISTANCE.
My friends, you cannot start a fight and once you get beaten up claim genocide. I’m sorry it doesn’t work this way. The reasons for the enactment of the Relocation Law was because of terror committed by the Armenians to the local people, those who allege genocide were actually committing genocide themselves.
Unless you have a time machine in your garage, history should not be twisted (like Ani) because you would be doing more harm for the future. If you go to Turkey today you may research all archives on this issue, if you go to Armenia today, it is all closed, and also unlike in Turkey, there is no freedom of religion in Armenia.
It is funny how the Armenians compare there allegations with the Jewish Genocide, how does that fit into International Law. The Jews in Germany died systematically for no crime except that they were Jewish, and of the 6 million people who died over 1.5 million were children under 12 years of age, there has been nothing like it in history.
Today Armenians who try to blend their situation with Jews, seem to forget the murders conducted by their ancestors against the Jews, Armenians who served as Nazi officers in Hitler’s army in Caucasia. Hitler’s famous quote “who today remembers the Armenians” he remembers the Armenians for fighting for him.

I don’t know what kind of book you guys reading or maybe being blindly brainwashde..
What Happened to the Armenians in (Western Armenia) now occupied by Turkey was a indeed a Genocide, and this is proven by manny manny historians, reasrchers and scholars, and even by the US ambassador in Istanbul (Constantinople). The US resolution about the Armenian Genocide is a moral issue in the name of justice and human rights and values, whitch so many people in Turkey still those not have. Also I am not sure if those who are against recognizing any Genocide has any moral human values and dignity ?..
Also What Happened to centuries old Armenian towns, villages, Churches, Schools, and Monasteries in Anatolia ?.. why they are all been distroyed by the Turkish army ?..
What Happened to the Armenian Historical and ancestral lands and territory ?..
How many archives with evidences of genocide did the Turkish authorities distroyed ?..
Why Turkey has so many problems with it’s neighboring countries ?.. even with Arabs ?.. I am not suprised that most European citizens are against Turkish accession in the EU, and would NOT like to see Turkey in the European Union.. hmmm… I wonder Why ?..
get your facts right first, read the real history..

‘many’ historians, scientists, researchers, scholars, (Justin McCarthy), court of law (Samuel Weems-R) have proved that the so-called genocide did not occur. Usually when a genocide does occur, you have an end-result of a thing called mass graves, when historians and scholars have been reviewing, researching this so-called genocide before you were even born, no such thing has been discovered. The claim of 1.5 million dead would have provided many bones and skulls. The majority of Armenian graves (they were actually given proper barely) are those that died from famine and from war. Many died from other condition such as Turkish tribesmen killing or hanging some of the Armenian rebels, these were localized incidents that the Turkish government does not condone.
I have posted a long response to this before, and I will not waist my time for cry baby Armenian-Americans to back up my claims.
I will now systematically destroy your false claims.
1.) You state that “The US resolution about the Armenian Genocide is a moral issue in the name of justice and human rights and values, which so many people in Turkey still those not have.”
A). The Republic of Turkey, Turkish citizens and other nationals of Turkey, enjoy freedoms everyday. The only strict rule the government applies is insulting the country that you reside in. Can you please explain why to this day freedom of religion does not exists in present day Armenia?
2.) Also I am not sure if those who are against recognizing any Genocide has any moral human values and dignity?–Sako
A.) No one here is against recognition of genocide, we are only for proper recognition meaning as defined by Article II of the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, the Armenians with their propaganda and motives clearly do not fall in this category.
3.) Also What Happened to centuries old Armenian towns, villages, Churches, Schools, and Monasteries in Anatolia ?.. why they are all been destroyed by the Turkish army ?..
What Happened to the Armenian Historical and ancestral lands and territory ?..–Sako
A.) What happened in 1997 with Nagorno-Karabakh when everyone was focused in the Bosnian conflict?
While you protect Armenian cultural heritage, you seem to consciously omit the fact that it was the Armenian side that demolished and looted more than 700 Azerbaijani settlements, destroying a total of 4366 objects of social infrastructure, 1145 nurseries and kindergartens, 1831 cinemas, 982 libraries, 693 secondary schools, 652 medical units and hospitals, 44 temples and 31 mosques.
Q.) How many archives with evidences of genocide did the Turkish authorities distroyed ?–Sako
A.) Many archives were burned in fires started from war between the two groups, and remaining papers are open to the public and scholars in Turkey, you just have to ask. Why is the same not provided in Armenia? Why have many pages been taken out in the so called “blue book” (THE TREATMENT OF ARMENIANS IN THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE, 1915-1916).
Why Turkey has so many problems with it’s neighboring countries ?.. even with Arabs ? I am not suprised that most European citizens are against Turkish accession in the EU, and would NOT like to see Turkey in the European Union.. hmmm… I wonder Why ?..–Sako
A.) Turkey sits in a very complex geographical location, she boarders 13 countries and four bodies of seas. It is the cross roads to east and west. The Turks have more Greek/Italian history in Turkey then those countries have in there lands. Most EU countries including but not limited to the sissy Franch indiscriminately will not allow Turks into Europe. Some of the reasons are very ridiculous but since you manage to change the subject from genocide to Turks in general I will have to speak for the Turks. France claims Turkey, due to it’s location and close proximity to the Middle East cannot be considered European, but then again Cyprus which is even closer to Syria has been accessed. Oh and also Constantinople which is present day Istanbul, was the capitol of Europe not long ago.
“get your facts right first, read the real history..”–Sako
I think we have our facts straight and while you manage to write a few sentences hoping that one or two might stick in the Americans minds, a Turks job is harder, they have to backup those claims with an entire paragraph or more.
The American people are not stupid, it just takes time for us to do the research and get back to you. Once we figure out your motives, like branding the modern-day Turkish people with genocide in 2007, and hoping to take Turkish lands (which will never happen), breaking the US/Turkish 50+ years alliance, we will turn you down and move on with our daily lives, unlike some Armenian-Americans.
“You have not won the debate until you have refuted your opponent’s strongest arguments”–John Stuart Mill

It is sad to see your partisan remarks regarding the murder of two million people.
1. United States supports Turkey plenty, why should Turkey bully the US in this way?
2. Nancy Pelosi probably needed for George Bush to owe her one – now he does thanks to the Armenians. The US probably wanted to show Turkey a big stick as the Turks gather around the Iraq border. Well now Turkey has seen the stick. Turkey if you don’t behave, we’ll pass the Armenian Genocide bill – again thanks to the Armenians.
3. George Bush couldn’t argue the facts in the bill because he knows better – that would give Turkey too much freedom – whereas the timing argument is still a good deterrant in case Turkey acts up in the future.
etc. etc. etc.
Many of you are too naive with your comments to realize some of the huge issues at stake here, but then again, you’re probably too naive to think that going into Iraq was making US safe, or that Muslims can be democratic.
Wake up America and realize that people manipulate your opinions. Wake up and realize that voting on a genocide bill is healthy for your own health. Wake up and realize that Turkey is not your friend. In fact, there are no friends out there.

Today Armenians who try to blend their situation with Jews, seem to forget the murders conducted by their ancestors against the Jews, Armenians who served as Nazi officers in Hitler’s army in Caucasia. Hitler’s famous quote “who today remembers the Armenians” he remembers the Armenians for fighting for him. – breal
As for that, Hitler’s quote was not to acknowledge any Armenian for service but rather to justify his atrocities against the Jews. The genocide in Armenia went totally unnoticed, so too could the genocide of the Jews, so he thought. My question is simply this, how would America feel if the world turned around and said no one died at the World Trade Center on September 11th, 2001? Those that have suffered deserve the proper respect that has been given to others.