Romney: Adam and Eve looked slutty

Big deal!!! Do you have anything more important to report than this?

Maybe you should report NEWS.

Um. . .Somebody still believes in the adam and eve story? Heh.

after several years of this mans “leadership”I believe our state was used as a platform for Romney’s ambitions to the presidency.He is a flash of ambition. I think Romney has to sort out his goals for the nation in much more concrete terms. One of our fallen MA politicos(MD) decribed him, I believe accurately as an emty suit.

LOL Adam and Eve that sounds like a reasonable story to believe without any evidence.

No, this is just a stupid joke. You know, similar to the ones which Huckabee puts out there at much higher frequency. Like, being converted on the road to Dasmascus not to Des Moines.
Huckabee as far, far more material. I still am shocked that he eagerly went to the New Beginnings church and requested that he was ordained by the pastor of that church to become the King and President of America and one who has been chosen of God!
When I see some serious reporting on the Huckabee religously insane angle, then I may, may start to care about Romney’s stupid harmless jokes.

I am less disturbed by this joke than I am by Romney’s decision to believe in a religion that can only be considered a modern day scam. If he can exercise this kind of poor judgment in the area of belief that matters most, what kind of judgment will he exercise as president??

Imagine this planet without religion. Ahhh! Beautiful. Silly, silly humans with their god(s). I can only dream of what this species could accomplish without religion to mess it all up!

It was a joke. Get over it!!

“”"”I am less disturbed by this joke than I am by Romney’s decision to believe in a religion that can only be considered a modern day scam. If he can exercise this kind of poor judgment in the area of belief that matters most, what kind of judgment will he exercise as president??”"”"
hehehe…thats about the stupidest thing I have heard all day. If you knew anything about religion, mormonism, logic, truth, well just about anything, you might not make stupid comments.

deb:: god didn’t create people. People created god.

Romney’s remarks about Adam and Eve are yet more evidence of how,since the mid-1970′s, the Utah LDS Church (commonly called the Mormon Church–though there are dozen of different Mormon denominations) has drifted towards the evangelical Christianity. The most unique aspects of Mormon mid 19th century (which were surprisingly liberal and humanistic) have been discarded, and the Utah LDS Mormons have adopted the doctrines of many on the Religious Right. As a former LDS Mormon, I blame much of this on the LDS Church’s involvement in politics–from battling the ERA in the mid-70′s, to its current war against any legal acknowledgment of homosexual relationships.
You ask about Adam and Eve and “The Book of Mormon.” Oddly enough, despite Romney’s idiotic comment, “The Book of Mormon” (and past LDS Temple rituals)portray Adam and Eve as heroes for having eaten the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge. Classical Mormon theology rejects Original SIn, and views Adam and Eve’s fall as “a fall upward.” Mormon founder Joseph Smith taught that they had to eat the fruit of knowledge in order to become fully human and experience true joy. “The Book of Mormon” states “Adam fell that men might be, and men are that they might have joy.”
Like so many current LDS Church members, Romney is either ignorant of past Mormon theology or he is attempting to give it a “make-over” so that people will think the LDS are Christians.
Well, they very well may be Christians–or close to it. What neither Romney (nor the LDS Church) is any longer is an honest-to-God Mormon.
Over a century ago Mormons were looked down upon as being too liberal, too positive in their views on human nature and human sexuality. Mainstream Americans saw them as a threat to Christian marriage and “traditional families.” Now the LDS Church has embraced Calvinism, with its warped view of human nature as inherently evil.

Oh come on, people—don’t you all remember the painting? It takes about ten seconds to Google it. Adam and Eve are standing there–both topless–wearing nothing but fig leaves. It was painted around 500 years ago, but if you saw a couple of kids standing there like that, today, grinning at each other and preparing to share more than an apple–HECK YES, THEY LOOK PROMISCUOUS—That it was reported is a cute political ‘time out’ for a Saturday. It’s not to my taste, really, but it isn’t even too bad of a joke. I’m thinkin’ if I had a nice big fig tree in my back yard, I wouldn’t be promiscuous, either. I’d be too fat to get a date. Figs are tasty. Duh, COME ON, PEOPLE, IT WAS A JOKE.

One of the comments called Mormonism a “Modern Day Scam”… That brings up the question, what does time-frame have to do with it? What if Mormonism thrived for 2,000 years? It’s easier to talk yourself into believing “facts” that are 2,000 years old, ay, Christianists?

I am a Mormon American. We pay taxes. We obey the law. We support the constitution. We vote. We fight and die in the same battles as any of you for our country. We serve in government. We believe in the bill of rights…and ted (above) and so many others still say “any one but a Mormon!!!!!!!!!!!”
I don’t say this in anger, but in disbelief: How dare you?
I’ve lived my life taking swipes from plenty of people for my beliefs. I’ve got no problem if you don’t want to believe what I believe…but I have a major problem when you tell me that I am a sub-citizen because of my faith. A lot of people have a hard time understanding what this feels like if you are a Mormon. If you don’t think it’s bigotry, just try inserting the word “Black” or “Gay” in these comments instead of “Mormon”…”any one but a black”…or…”any one but a gay”.
I am an American.

Heaven is populated by young men in dark slacks, white shirt & tie who ride bicycles!!

“There’s nothing wrong with being nude.”
OH MY GOD, people – if God had wanted us to be naked, he’d have made us be born that way … oh, yea, I guess he did. Nevermind.

There used to be a day when a politician could make an offhand comment and the journalist had the integrity and common sense to just keep it to himself.

“Does naked = promiscuous?”
No, it doesn’t.
It means that they were conscious of their guilt. They tried to hide, but couldn’t hide from God. God tracked them through all of it.
God asked Adam, “Where are you?” not cuz He didn’t know where they were, rather because He wanted them to know where THEY were and what they had become.
Today, God asks, “Where are you?” — that is, “Who is on the side of the LORD?”

“‘Adam and Eve would not have looked as promiscuous if they had had leaves this big.’”
So, to Romney, covering up solves the problem of sin??? Just cover it up with a big enough blanket, and everything’s fine and dandy, as long as nobody can see it??? Is THAT biblical??? Is God fooled by men’s actions???
Romney isn’t alone in twisting the Word of Truth. Far too many who claim to be born again do the same thing, to their own detriment. He and they, if they are of God, should be more careful in their Knowledge of God’s Truth and, thus, more careful about what they say about It:
1Co 8:9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.
1Co 8:10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol’s temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;
1Co 8:11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?
1Co 8:12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.
This is the sin of the carnal Christian, that others see him going to church one day and acting like the world the other six.
Romney, in this story, misrepresents the Word, giving the wrong impression of It, and encourages others to misrepresent the Word and remain weak and destroyed for their lack of Knowledge.

Should we be looking for a deeper meaning in what he said? I don’t think there is much of a story here. I don’t believe Romney was making a doctrinal statement. The Bible doesn’t even speak of a “leaf” to cover Adam and Eve. It speaks of “leaves”. An artist’s common (mis)conception of the covering is usually one lone Maple leaf. That is probably what he was joking about.

he’s a nut

Me wonders if Romney is a closeted “wide stancer.” He’s looking for size?

To all the liberal bigots out there today. Mitt is running for Commander-in-Chief not Pastor-in-Chief. The folks in Michigan had no problem voting for Mitt’s father three times for Governor in the 1960′s. And the folks in Massachusetts had no issues electing Mitt in 2003. Liberals lets try to be more tolerable and focus on the “issues” that we Americans face today. Let’s stop the hate and divide policy.

Well, Jake, you sure brought a lot of thumpers out of their caves.

Just a bad joke I think! Exactly what point he was trying to get across is not certain. Maybe Mitt should try not to joke as much!
And actually Bob the knowledge was important. (Its called ‘orginal sin’ for a reason!) An interpretive reading of the scripture shows that we are all born naive, without knowledge and our search for answers is what leads us to sin in the first place, and the point is we are all born without sin and that we are responsoble for our own sin.

Please… This is what ABC News calls news? ABC News has been my home page for 3 years and that changed today.

If you believe in the christian doctrine none of us would be here if Adam and Eve were’t promiscuous. Fred Dobson called the mormon faith a plytheistic cult. It is not a cult, it is a form of mental illness. By the way, the word is spelled MORON, not mormon.

To the commenter who stated “To all the liberal bigots” out there.
That is FUNNY stuff. Romney was voted into the governors office in Massachusetts. You know, the LIBERAL Mass. that the so called conservatives love to attack.
I guess all those “liberal bigots” voted for a Mormon because they are bigoted, right?
Also, the Democrats Senate Majority Leader is Harry Reid, another Mormon.
But just two days ago, St. John McCain’s mother attacked Romney’s Mormonism.
So have many of the so-called values voters.
Look into your own heart.
-GSD

I want to know what you know about “Dad Humor” and when did you know it. Did someone break the bond and spill the secrets to the press? Has this little known virus infected our politicians and the press? Who else have you told? Be careful Jake. The last bastion of secrecy is the mathematical irritation formula and the handshake. If you let those secrets out you may be barred forever from participating. Do not set yourself up to miss one of the great joys of fatherhood.
“Customarily awful “Dad humor” Is an art form. Any candidate with even the slightest knack for really good “Dad Humor” has my vote, despite his underwear.

non-story

Churches deceived the whole world, and are now responsible for teaching us Eve ate the “Apple,” although this was never written in the Bible. Believing in lies about God caused Adam, Eve and all of us to become “naked” (unprotected), and exposed to death. Death entered into our world, because Eve ate (believed) the words of someone who lied to her about God; they called him “Satan”. Would you trust another liar to teach you about God? The story Garden of Eden is a parable that teaches us not to (eat) believe in forbidden words like the preachers who constantly lie to us about God.

NOLAGuy says, “I could give two craps about Romney’s faith.”
You probably mean that you COULDN’T give two craps…unless you really DO mean to say that you care, even a little.
NOLAGuy says, “As long as he doesn’t try to cram it down my throat…”
You mean, like strap you in a chair? And do what??
NOLAGuy continues, “…or think he is better than I am because of his faith…”
How does what he thinks affect you??
If he thinks he’s better than you, you can go on, can’t you?
What do YOU care what he thinks?
God has already separated those who stand with Him from those who choose not to stand with Him. He separates the goats from the sheep. He will not treat the two alike. He knows the difference between obedience and disobedience, even if, today, too many don’t.

Mormonism teaches that the present God is just One in a long line of gods.
However…
Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
So, there is ONLY One God and ONLY One Way.
So, do the Mormons know something God doesn’t know?

Deb aks, “Where does the bible say that Adam & Eve were the only persons?”
It doesn’t have to say that they are the “first persons.” It’s not necessary to use those words to get the idea across.
” Maybe the FIRST man and woman, but that doesn’t mean that God didn’t create other people after them.”
Can “other people” be anything other than persons?
” Look at the story of creation where God said, ‘Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let THEM rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air …’isn’t it possible that God created a multitude of people to populate the earth, and the bible only gives the account of 1 such man and woman?”
The Devil says gives men permission to think all kinds of wild ideas that are contrary to the Word of God.
The fact is that God made the spirits of Man — male and female — and programmed them to beget and populate the world. Then, He formed the man, and, out of him, the woman. He installed their spirits which He programmed earlier.
Then, they got busy.
This is too difficult for some people to understand, I guess.

“The Word is a lie.”
The Devil says that, too! Amazing!

Bob, you found me out…I am indeed the Devil. And as the Devil, god and I communicate from time to time and he told me to tell you to get up off your knees and out of that men’s room stall…now!
As for me, I am working hard to out-do Him in my evil deeds but He set a high standard w/ the Inquistion, the Crusades, the genocide/forced conversion of the people of South and Central America, US slavery and Jim Crow. Praise Jesus!

“I am indeed the Devil. And as the Devil, god and I communicate from time to time and he told me to tell you to get up off your knees and out of that men’s room stall…now!
As for me, I am working hard to out-do Him in my evil deeds…”
Read Revelation. There, you’ll find out how it all turns out.
I don’t wanna ruin it for you, but, to be brief, you’re gonna be disappointed.

In one statement, Max says, “I am indeed the Devil.”
Then, in another statement, he says, “Praise Jesus!”
The Devil cannot praise Jesus, even in jest. It would jeopardize his agenda.

“The question I want to hear asked at a GOP debate is: If you were President and god spoke to you and said ‘start armageddon, send the nuclear missles’, would you obey?”
In any case, those who are truly born again won’t be here when Armageddon starts.

“Imagine this planet without religion. Ahhh! Beautiful. Silly, silly humans with their god(s). I can only dream of what this species could accomplish without religion to mess it all up!”
How can religion stop you?? Just go and correct things. What’s stopping you??
If the irreligious have all this power, they ought to be able to fix things u real fast. But no. What are they waiting for??
All you gotta do is look at the last century — the most murderous one in history — and VOILA! the godless did all the killing. The godless are the very ones who say that they don’t need religion, and look what they did. They messed things up.

“There used to be a day when a politician could make an offhand comment and the journalist had the integrity and common sense to just keep it to himself.”
Soooo, did Romney say that his comment is background, or off the record? Or did he just open his mouth and say it?
If he just opened his mouth and said it within earshot of a reporter, it’s fair to report it cuz Romney’s so-called “faith” is the subject of controversy amongst a very powerful group of voters — evangelicals.
If you’re not an evangelical, you’re not involved. However, don’t try to preclude evangelicals from considering something so important to them. If it’s not important to you, just go about your bidness and leave everybody alone.

Romney also said, I think on MtP, a few months ago, that “we are all children of God.”
Really???
We are all born with a sin nature, a nature corrupted by the disobedience of Adam and Eve. That’s why we need to be born again.
However, if you’re not born again, you remain separated from God. Whether you commit one more sin, or a thousand more sins a day, you’re no more separated than when you committed one. Hell is your destination, and it’ll be the same torment.
So, if we are all children of God, then God will treat the disobedient as he does the obedient, no? The one who doesn’t murder will be treated well, and so will the unrepentant murderer, no?
It doesn’t make sense, in Light of the Word Which says that God is a God of justice. His love will not preclude justice, discipline for the disobedient.
The fact is that only those who are truly born again are the children of God, and Romney is wrong again.

Hey Bob, isn’t this day mandated as a day of rest by Jeebus or something? Aren’t you afraid you’ll be struck down by your loving god? If your belief that an old man and woman found a male and female of every species on the planet and put them on a boat to save them from the flood wasn’t enough to prove how unbalanced you are, you incessant posting here is. What the hell are you doing in your comfy home anyway, why aren’t you fighting for christ and freedom in Eye-raq?

“isn’t this day mandated as a day of rest by Jeebus or something?”
You don’t understand what “rest” means, do you? It doesn’t mean what YOU think it means.
” Aren’t you afraid you’ll be struck down by your loving god?”
Not at all, since He focuses His wrath on the disobedient.
“What the hell are you doing in your comfy home anyway, why aren’t you fighting for christ and freedom in Eye-raq?”
Already served my country. I wish I could do more for the country — the United Statges of America — that has given me so much.

“Then look at the ones who were under 6 foot tall. Madison, Harrison, Adams, Carter. Good presidents but not outstanding. ”
WHAT?!!!!!
Do you mean THE Madison–as in, JAMES MAdison? !!!!!
Holy Cow! Read some history! Madison was “The Father of the Consitution!” He almost singleghandely arranged the COnstitution COnvention! It was Madison who fought a ten year political battle to have Jefferson’s bill for Freedom of Religion passed into law! (thus making the Commonwealth of Virginia the first completely secular government in recorded history–several years BEFORE there is a US COnstitution.)
James Madison is probably the most underated but IMPORTANT of all the Founding Fathers. The man–more than any other single individual–gave shape to our Republic.
For God’s sake do a bit more research before you start posting statements like that. The other FOunding Fathers who knew and worked with Madison are probablt spinning in their graves!

Wow. I can’t believe this is newsworthy. But here I am commenting so I guess I can’t criticize. I think he just meant “big leaves = more modest”, “little leaves = less modest.” Like, bikini leaves vs. full swimsuit leaves. Or, “wow, these aren’t very sexy leaves!” To try to make this out to be some sort of theological statement about Adam and Eve is obsurd. If you are reading this comment I think you should get off your computer and read a good book – or even a bad one.

“Is there something in the Book of Mormon that might explain this?”
Short answer to your question: No
Long answer to your question: No

“‘First Lady’ seems more appropriate to me. Far more appropriate than, ‘First Man’ does. ”
What’s all this talk about, if Hil is prez, her husband will be “First Man,” or “First Husband”?
She was First Lady. First among ladies. The opposite of “lady” is “gentleman.”
Thus, her hubby would be “First Gentleman.” First among gentlemen. I hope it will not be, but that’s the case, if it happens.

“god didn’t create people. People created god.” — Posted by: Daniel H. Kroener | Nov 10, 2007 10:42:41 PM
God is the Creator of Mankind.
Men, however, rejecting God, made their cars and money and themselves gods.

“…we are all born without sin…” — Posted by: saintlymark | Nov 11, 2007 9:59:32 AM
Where does the Word of God say this?
Actually, It says just the opposite.
However, God and I may have missed something.
Perhaps you can straighten us out.

Terri Ann, there is nothing illegal about the war. If you are referring to just the War in Iraq, first of all Saddam Hussein shot missiles at several of our planes. At least one of those planes was in Kuwaiti airspace at the time. These attacks ALONE are justification for war. But after 12 years of the UN trying to force Saddam Hussein to comply with the conditions of the 1991 cease fire, it gave its final ultimatum. When it became clear that the UN did not have the will power to follow through on its final ultimatum, President Bush issued his own ultimatum. Since France and Germany had convinced Saddam Hussein that the United States would not invade, he chose not to comply. Unlike the UN, President Bush meant what he said and followed through on his ultimatum. The invasion by an international coalition, therefore, was legal on the grounds that Saddam Hussein refused to compy with the conditions of the original cease fire. We just resumed the original Gulf War.
Now if you are talking about the overall War on Terror, clearly we have the right to attack al Qaeda wherever they are. And since al Qaeda declared Iraq as their primary battlefield, we are more than willing to oblige them in battle in Iraq.
Now as for the war being “deeply immoral,” if you adhere to the principle that all wars are immoral, then I will concede you that point. BUT if you allow even the tiniest loophole where a country has the right to defend or protect itself and its national interests, then the war is not only legal but quite moral.

All good Christians and Mormons believe the human body is dirty and filthy. Nudity can only mean sex. SEX! SEX!
And these people are in charge.

“The idea that all good christians and mormons think sex is dirty”, again is just wrong. How can a gift from god, such as our minds and bodies, ability to procreate and have families be cheap and dirty.
I feel sorry for people who have to post “hohoho” as their username, spineless.

hey ! i’ve got a crazy idea.. how about if everyone believes in whatever jesus, sun god, or flying spaghetti monster that they want to but they keep it to themselves ? .. and wouldn’t it be a great day when we have a presidential candidate to who can comment on the genus of the flora and fauna without dragging some superstitious tale into it ? do we REALLY want a president who believes some old man, sitting on a cloud, is taking care of everything for us ?! it’s about time we all grew up.

um, rob lauer, I don’t know when you last attended one, but Mormons don’t wear fig leaves at their weddings, either in or out of the temple

Bob,
You made many, many arguments on this post that I disagree with.For the sake of time, I just want to address one that I found to be especially fallacious.
You said in essence that the Book of Mormon can’t be scripture (I define scripture as I imagine you do, as the written text of God communicating with man). Your argument was that it would insinuate that God “missed” something in the old and new testament, and we both know that God doesn’t make mistakes.
But where does God tell us that everything he has spoken is included in (take your pick of your favorite version) the Bible as we know it today? Even the Bible itself refutes such a statement. Amos teaches us that God will do NOTHING save he revealeth his secret to his servants, the prophets. Do you think every prophet’s writings are included in the Bible? The Bible is the word of God, but you are being presumptious to claim it the “only” word of God. Remember: it was compiled from HUNDREDS of books – a group of men got together and decided which ones were “bible-worthy,” and they made the final cut.
I agree that those men were certainly inspired, but that does not even come close to meaning that all of God’s words are closed up in the Bible. If God is an unchanging God, the same yesterday, today, and forever, do you think he is no longer a God of miracles? Miracles died when the Bible was published? Do you think God suddenly stopped talking to Man? I don’t. It’s no wonder that the apostle Paul said “in the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.” (2 Cor. 13:1 I think). Just as Christ witnessed of his Father, and the Holy Ghost witnessed of them both in the hearts of those who hear the word of God, scripture reinforces scripture. The Book of Mormon is another witness that God lives and that the teachings in the Bible are true.
The Book of Mormon is simply a collection of the writings of prophets on another part of the hemisphere. Because they also spoke with God and recorded his words, they further witness that God lives, Christ is His son and our Savior, and that following Him is the only path to eternal happiness.
I don’t claim that JUST the Book of Mormon has God’s words, just as I don’t claim JUST the Bible has his words. God never claimed it either. Please don’t use the silly reference to Revelations to say otherwise (John saying that we should not add to or take away from his words). Clearly it would be a sin to change the words of any prophet’s words, as they are speaking God’s words. This obviously was not referring to the Bible, which was compiled centuries later. If this line was to mean “don’t ever call anything after this book scripture,” than you can cut everything out of the Bible from Deuteronomy 4 onward (where the same thing was said).
My point is this: Just because your sect of Christianity has determined on its own accord that God cannot or will not communicate with man anymore and that everything God ever said was to a small group of people in the Easter Hemisphere does not make your view the “correct” one. You are basing your argument on flawed logic- you are saying that “because my pastor told me that the Bible is all of God’s words, and tradition in my religion says so too, then God must have also said so and everything else is blasphemy.”
I, like millions of others, don’t believe that the words of the prophets contained in the Bible ever insinuate that the books would later be compiled to be the end all to God’s word. He lives, and he still cares about us. He still speaks to us. Scripture is STILL being written. The Book of Mormon is nothing more than it claims to be: another testament of Jesus Christ. Because it comes from the same source as the Bible (God’s words to prophets on the earth), you will find no contradictions in the teachings found within it and the Bible. They both emanate from the only real source of truth: God.
As Paul said, if there is anything virtuous, lovely, praiseworthy, or of good report, I seek after those things. Things which testify of Christ fall into that category for me.

It seems that a lot of people here are assuming that [any of the many versions of] the Bible is, uh, “factually accurate”. How come ?

Bob,
Took you all that time, and that’s all you came up with? You have proved my points ENTIRELY. All you can do to answer my points, which were evidenced by scripture, is to make blanket statements you cannot reinforce. There is nothing to back up your claims that “there is no more scripture” and “only two testaments” besides the words your pastor told you. I, on the other hand, drew from the Bible to show that God has never insinuated he would stop speaking to man. In fact, if he did so he would be a changing God, and you and I both know he is not. Go back and read my post again – you gave the exact type of answer that I claimed you would give.