Jesus and the Devil are Brothers?

Here we go again! I don’t believe there is such a thing as freedom in this country. Where is the church separated from state law? I’m, along with millions of other people, tired of reading about something that can’t be proven in our day and age!
What has happened to this once strong country? Have we gone back to the DARK AGES!

First, one must understand that the majority of modern day Mormons do not know a lot about their church and what the true basis of their beliefs is. As a result, you will not get an answer to the question posed that is based on complete understanding. To begin, the Mormon Jesus is not the Jesus of the Bible. They believe Jesus was born as a result of actual physical sexual contact between a God called Elohim and Mary. The Bible teaches Jesus was born to Mary as a virgin. Further to the specific question “are Lucifer (the devil) and Jesus brothers?). The answer is YES. Do most Mormons know that? NO. If one follows the belief that all of us (including Lucifer and Jesus) existed before physical birth as spirit babies and it was Elohim that caused the birth of both of those spirit babies (i.e. Lucifer and Jesus), then it follows that Lucifer and Jesus are, in fact, brothers.
This is just one or two examples of how the same terms can mean very different things when one speaks of, and compares, Mormonism to traditional Biblical Christianity. The God of Mormonism is not the God of the Bible, and the Jesus of Mormonism is not the Jesus of the Bible. Chistians believe there is only one true God (based on the Bible) and Mormons believe that a person can become a God — in fact, that is one of the major goals of life; that, at the end, if one has kept all the ordinances, etc. of the church, one can, in fact, become a God.
Mormons are now an a path to appear more “Christian” and to align their public image as Biblical Christians, but the base beliefs are still very, very different.
These things certainly do not mean Mormons are “bad” people, but they, to a large extent, are misinformed — even by their own church.
I have taught many sessions on Mormon beliefs as well as misconceptions, and I continue to offer prayers for those who are making honest efforts to do “right” according to their beliefs and that they will have the courage to conduct extensive research into the true foundations and beliefs of their church — it can be done simply by reading the Journal of Discourse and the History of the Church as well as several other Mormon publications.

Huckabee is going to be the one with egg on his face for saying this. The more people attack Mitt Romney for being Mormon, the more I respect Mitt Romney for withstanding the hateful attacks. If you want to play stupid, then any expression of faith can be mocked and denigrated. No wonder people get upset at these kinds of attacks. This is really small-minded stuff. I plan to register my disgust at the election booth.

Curtis Roberts, while you do explain that Mormon’s believe that Jesus and Satan are brothers, you failed to mention that Christians do not believe this. We believe that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are ONE — the Holy Trinity.

Louis, you wrote: “I don’t want another President who will invade a country because he felt he had a mandate from god.” Actually, President Bush invaded Iraq because he had the mandate of both the Congress and the American people.

The Republican party’s focus on applying religion to politics, on faith over observable reality, on “us and them” over our common humanity, is a path that harms us all, including those of faith. In time, it can only lead to intractable religious warfare.
If we continue towards a theocracy, what will you do, if the government’s faith is not exactly your own? If your behaviors, based on your beliefs, are repressed and persecuted (whether they be small distinctions within Christianity, or larger differences)?
The founding fathers had the wisdom to steer us clear of this dark path, even as many in this county now want to steer us down it.
“Separation of church and state is a political and legal idea usually identified with the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, which states that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof… The phrase building a wall of separation between church and state was written by Thomas Jefferson in a January 1, 1802 letter to the Danbury Baptist Association.”-

Curtis,
I find fault with several of your comments. First it appears to me you are missing the whole point of this debate. The constitution itself say one should not have to undergo a religious test in order to be elected. With this statement Mike Huckabee is starting to show his true colors. He says he believes the election should center on a discussion of the important issues confronting our nation, and not focus on questions of religious belief. But this is just lip service. Huckabee has consistently been painting himself as the Christian candidate in TV ads, insinuating that the other candidates aren’t Christian. In addition he has said this comment about Mormonism. Huckabee is clearly running on his religion and playing on the uneasiness that some evangelicals may have towards Mormonism. It is unfortunate that it has come to this, Mike Huckabee has exposed himself as a hypocrite and a bigot. This is truly un-American and violates the constitution.
Second I cannot let some of the statements you have made about Mormon beliefs go unchecked. First as stated in the article above “We believe, as other Christians believe and as Paul wrote, that God is the father of all, that means that all beings were created by God and are his spirit children. Christ, on the other hand, was the only begotten in the flesh and we worship him as the son of God and the savior of mankind. Satan is the exact opposite of who Christ is and what he stands for.”
You also state that Mormons believe that God had intercourse with Mary. Nothing could be further from the truth. There have been members of the church that have had this misconception also. Here is a letter from one of the Prophets of the church regarding this.
“We are very much concerned that some of our Church teachers seem to be obsessed of the idea of teaching doctrine which cannot be substantiated and making comments beyond what the Lord has actually said.
You asked about the Immaculate Conception of the birth of the Savior. Never have I talked about “sexual intercourse” between Deity and the mother of the Savior. If teachers were wise in speaking of this matter about which the Lord has said but very little, they would rest their discussion on this subject with merely the words which are recorded on this subject by Luke 1:34-35:
“Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.”
Remember that that being who brought about the Immaculate Conception was a divine personage. We need not question his method to accomplish his purposes. Perhaps we would do well to remember the words of Isaiah 55:8-9:
“For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For us the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.”
Let the Lord rest His case with this declaration and wait until he sees fit to tell us more.”

I wish they would stop this religion nonsene. This is a Presidential election – let’s hear platforms, etc. I don’t care if they worship horses or pigs, what happened to separation of church and state.

John Martin: Smoke and mirrors, just answer the question. Does the Morman doctrine teach that Jesus Christ & the devil are brothers, YES or NO. never mind the spirit children and flesh bit, just answer the question, yes or no.

Tyler..you’re incorrect, in a direct way.
Yes, someone’s beliefs (which may or MAY NOT have been shaped by a religion) will influence their outlook.
NO, Church should not have an effect on Government. The REASON for “separation of Church and State” is mixing certain religious beliefs in with Government policy, and forcing those on the entire population violates the establishment part. Government may make no law establishing religion…and that is a two way street; this means that if a small sect of nutjob christians somehow wrestle control of the Government, they wouldnt’ be allowed to inject their views into America’s Constitution.

oh, and, Tyler…a person’s voting record is WAYYYYY more important than their “religion.”
Religion serves to separate, and divide…ask the Catholics who wanted to adopt a child from a Baptist orphanage in the South, but were refused because they were Catholics.
Christians don’t even agree…who is to say which “chistian sect” is “right”? And that’s within the same family tree.
FIX THE ECONOMY…pray in PRIVATE.

Hmmmm. It seems to be working well for Huckabee to take the focus off of himself by attacking Mormon beliefs. Why does he need to keep the focus on the Mormon question? I think he is hitting below the belt on this one. But hey, if he is desperate…

Isn’t this a campaign for the presidency of the US? Or is it one for Pope? Who cares about religion when policy issues should be at the forefront!

There is a platform for discussing religion, but certainly NOT in politics! Shame on people who vote strictly on religion, or religious issues. I wish someone would speak up and call this the MESS it really is. Let’s talk about Santa and Rudolph, at least it’s timely. what a joke.

Were Jesus and Satan brothers? I seem to recall they played on the same roller hockey team one season, but beyond that it’s all fuzzy to me. Does anyone have Satan’s social security number? Maybe we can track it down that way.

This crap has ot stop.
I am not a christian, a mormon, a jew, a muslim… I do not affiliate mysewlf with any organized religion cause there all screwed up.
keep religion out of politics or this country will regress more so then it already has.
Religion has no place inpolitics, it a personal belief system and nothing more

This amazing nation was supposed to be the culmination of the age of reason. Lets please stick to that. ALL issues that matter to us can be broken down into reasonable arguments and should be approached that way I think.
I’m a Mormon and will probably vote for Mitt. He rocked the face off of the Olympics out here in 02, we all wanted him to be governor because he was just such a computational, eloquent, and effective administrator (the anti-Bush?). As far as his presidency being influenced by Church leaders: I simply recall, since childhood, every November a new letter from the Church Presidency read over the pulpit reminding us that the Church endorses no candidate or political party, and that Church membership lists were never to be used for political purposes.
As far as the nomenclature of christianity, our definitions are naturally going to be different because our cannon of scripture includes not only the OT, NT, but also three other revealed books (which I really believe to be as true as the Bible) about the nature of Jesus Christ and his interactions with humanity.

Why do Mormon’s hide their theology and those who have no knowledge defend them? I don’t get it. LDS doesn’t believe that Jesus is part of the Godhead. Jesus claimed to be God, but LDS stats that Jesus was not God and is simply part of what God created, including his brother Satan. If someone believes that way, why hide it?

It is true that we are not electing someone to run a church but a government. The person must possess the experience and aptitude to do the job well. However, people have a right to probe the value system and framework from which they have and will make decisions. (I would like to see as much energy in probing the people who are clearly putting on a mask of religious interest for the sake of personal gain.)
Mitt Romney can and should be challenged about his religious views that are blasphemous from the perspective of those who are electing him. Here is the BIG QUESTION that needs to be asked of Mitt Romney. Consistent with Morman doctrine, does he believe that he will someday become a ‘god’ of his own planet and reproduce offspring to inhabit that planet? Mormans do believe that they can become gods, which shows just how far they are from the biblical Christian faith.

Ummmmmmm – guys – do you realize how backwards you all sound talking about the devil and stuff??? Indeed, I agree with Jens A,. our period of time will be looked upon as the second Dark Ages. All religion has done is taken your money and caused death and destruction all over this planet for waaaaaay tooooo long!!
WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!! BTW – There is no Santa, also. duh.

Jesus and the Devil are Fictional Characters. I can’t believe we even have to discuss this. It is akin to believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. We need intelligent elected officials, not people who still believe in fairy tales.

Only God is the author of morality and we must follow his dictates. We don’t need theocracy, but we must have laws that mirror our creator’s laws and commands.
To this end, this must be more than a private matter because whoever leads this country must have values consistent with God’s.

The real question that Huckster, I mean Huckabee meant to ask was “Isn’t it true that Santa and Satan are the same person?”. This is true since they are both your old man.
But beyond that the most lucid comment seems to be the one that recognizes that Huckabee’s only legitimate claim to the nomination is that his is a Baptist Minister, not a Mormon. How sad. If that’s what you have been reduced to then by all means drop out. Yes the Christian Right in America was once a strong political force, but they are no longer well organized. Without organization you are nothing. So it looks like the Christian Coalition has gone the way of the BPOE and the PTA. All that’s left is the AFL. (No Pun Intended).

I am truly disappointed, but unfortunately not shocked, at how ignorant so many Americans are. The lack of knowledge about religious faiths that are not our own is appalling. (I’m not convinced that most people truly know and understand their own church’s doctrine, for that matter.) What’s next? Claiming Catholics eat babies and drink their blood? Declaring one official state faith and taking the properties belonging to all other churches? Edicts that Jews should be locked up at night? Burning anyone who doesn’t take an oath to one notion of who”God” is? Twisting or ridiculing religious beliefs to suit personal ends is shameful, and these childish attacks on opponents’ religious beliefs (or unbeliefs) are un-American and just plain stupid. The fact that a candidate’s religious beliefs can be a factor in an election is beyond comprehension. By the way,didn’t Kennedy’s election put this issue to bed in the 60′? After all, a Catholic took the White House, and the world didn’t end.

RAY,
I’ll try not to laugh too much at that last comment. There’s a difference between defending beliefs and not responding to stupidity. Your statement wouldn’t really warrent a response, but out of sheer amusement, I have decided to respond anyway. My, how ignorant and misinformed people are in this blog. I wish people wouldn’t assume. I’m a Mormon, ask me what I believe.

How dare any person say that Jesus and satan are brothers!! There is not one bit of truth in that statement.

I can’t believe all of the crap that I read here about the Mormon faith. It’s almost funny having people tell me that they know more about Mormonism than I do even though I’ve been a Mormon for 30 years. Yes, I know all the “anti-Mormon” talking points. No, I have not been brainwashed into my beliefs. No, there are not “hidden” doctrines that most Mormons don’t know about. All I have to say to those people intent on attacking our religion is… have you ever set foot in one of our churches? I didn’t think so. Until you do, please keep your mouths shut, because you sound like a bunch of bigoted idiots, not the true Christians you claim to be.
ps. I can’t believe all the time you people waste attacking our religion. I would never waste a minute even thinking about how I could slander someone else’s beliefs. Why don’t you just worry about yourselves, and leave us alone?

As an American, I am embarrassed for my country that this subject should even be a part of the most important election in this nations election cycle. GOD help us to separate church and state, for if we have not yet learned from the middle east the consequences of merging the two, then we are indeed without hope.

Michael,
Do you believe that Jehovah of the old testament is a brother of Lucifer of the old testament? Do you believe that Joseph Smith saw Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ, two distinct personages of flesh and bone and spoke with them? Do you believe that a truly righteous life is one dedicated to following the example of Christ? Do you believe that through the atonement that Jesus Christ made for your sins and your dedication to obeying his commandments you can achieve a degree of glory where you will achieve that oneness with God so thoroughly misunderstood by the Council at Nicea?
But the most important question for all you Mormons, do you believe you can only get to heaven if you perform selfless acts of service for the less fortunate among us? Can you be a “saved” person just by paying lip service to God?

This whole argument is ridiculous. I can’t believe that there are non-mormon believers who are telling mormons that their beliefs are ridiculous. Take a look at your own beliefs. It’s just as likely that jesus was the brother of satan as it is that he turned water into wine. The whole bible is absolutely silly. It’s a story. I can’t believe people still think that a “divine being” told someone to write a book. Sounds like schizophrenia to me.

There should be a distinct separation of church and state or we can very well become a Taliban like nation. Keep religion out of politics please. How about a Satanist running for President,how many holy rollers would like that? Keep your religion in your homes and churches not in the White house. No more Born Again types in the White House please!

Okay, Frank. Then if a Muslim who is very religious because be bows down to ala 5 times a day runs for president, that should be okay with you?

I can’t believe that anyone is taking Mike Huckabee seriously. The guy looks like a character from the Flintstones and talks like a member of the Hee Haw cast. I’m not sure why the statement was even made. It seems like scare/smear tactics have left the political realm and moved to religion. If Huckabee is this stupid and paranoid and small minded, I’m sure he has some choice opinions about what the Jews believe.

It is truly unfortunate that anyone can be President. I know I shouldn’t be. I know a lot of other people that shouldn’t be. I don’t care who you are. If you are of a faith, it will be play great big part in your decisions and your actions in ALL aspects of your life. Work and play included. When does Mitt get his own planet,which one will it be, and be “god”. It sounds like it might be this one. Hey, and maybe all those runaways from that far away planet that now inhabit the bodies of just us regular folk, God isn’t in there plan, just some nut job from another planet. will telepathically let Romney know. Pinky and the Brain. world domination. you gotta start somewhere. Would you rather have a Christian or a Satinist for a president?
A pessimist or an optimist? Someone that doesn’t know exactly what it is that his religion is based on? Or someone who is informed. Because if Romney was truly informed and up to date, How could he possibly believe that any one would vote for him, that knew he was patiently waiting to become a god of his own planet? That isn’t just the only thing that stands in his way. Just how far is he away from the deeper and darker perverted sect of Mormans that degrade and humiliate women and children? If he ain’t talking you ain’t knowing. If you are a Christian, we know what you basically believe. If you are a Muslim, we know what you basically believe, If you are an Atheist, Agnostic, devil worshiper, we pretty much have a grasp on it. Scientolgist, hey, you have to pay a lot of money just to get an idea of what they are all about, and what little there is told is some really wild out there, just got off my meds kinda stuff. So next time, watch and see just how John Travolta, stares into the eyes of the next elected official. You never know, there might be a little green man he can see. If we look into Mitt Romney’s eyes will we see Joseph Smith? Just who does run this world? Some very creepy people.

If Huckabee actually said something like “submit graciously to your husband.”, I’ll betvha HE AIN’T GETTIN’ ANY. I wouldn’t vote for this clown or the other clown Romney, just because of the things that they say. “I” am not going to “submit” to “ANYBODY” unless I :WANT TO”, thank you very much Mr. Stupid Huckabee.

What I want to know is “If elected, what are you going to do about this war? What about healthcare? What about this mortgage crisis? What about global warming? Where do you stand on those issues?” I think it is disgusting that someone who claims that he is a Christian minister would stoop to attacking another candidates religious beliefs. Perhaps Huckabee is diverting attention because of his lack of answers and solutions for the REAL issues.

Wow! The devil fell from Heaven. Isaiah 14:12. Huckabee knows the answer to his own question. His guile attempt was to shock the ignorant that have been taught in abstract. Read your bible people. The Dark ages were a time when people didn’t have the Bible and had to rely upon their deceptive clergy.

The history of American Politics has a strong link between various organizations and partisan politics. Going all the way back to Thomas Jefferson there were those who embraced “factions” and those who abhorred the idea of any “faction” achieving political power (TJ floated his paddle with the latter). The Christian Coalition became organized during the latter half of the 20th century as virtually all other organizations were seeing their membership (and political clout) disappear. But the power of the CC has also waned (look at what happened in 2006) and nobody seems to recognize that the GOP has no solid organized bloc of support.

Truthteller said: “[Mormons]believe if they convert an Indian to Mormonism, they go to Heaven, guaranteed.” Sounds very much like the Evangelicals at New Life Ministries, sending Christian “missions” into Muslim countries to prosthelytize Muslim children and convert them to Christians. That has been going on for decades but was really stepped up in the mid-1990′s which really ticked off Muslims in Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. The anti-American feeling in the Middle East are a response to that religious aggression.

“One must understand that the majority of modern day Mormons do not know a lot about their church and what the true basis of their beliefs is”
This is so true Louis. I was a Mormon for several years and was told the same thing (which upset me greatly). So I did some investigating and found that I was told so very little about the church’s deep rooted beliefs, how the church started and why they stopped polygamy (among other things). I was strongly discouraged to look into these things and was shunned by members of the church when I started asking questions for clarification. I think that is what startled me the most, how I was treated when all I wanted was clarification on the beliefs of the church.
When I learned the truth I left the church. What the Mormon Church is doing to its people is deceiving them and that in of itself is scary enough to avoid voting for Mitt Romney. His faith will mandate him to do what he, or his church, thinks is God’s will, which in the Mormon Church can change day-to-day. Polygamy okay one day, than “God” changed his mind…now it’s not okay…or is it?
What does this have to do with politics? Everything, this man’s religion will rule every aspect of his life, including his role as President. The Mormon church is very powerful in the US, do we really want our President’s daily decisions influenced by a religion we all do not ascribe to and which has such a deceitful nature to it that it does not even tell their followers a great many things about their own religion? Why, why does the Mormon church feel the need to hide so many facts?
Even if you do not have faith in a higher power, even if you are a believer in all faiths, if you understood the dynamics of the Mormon church, you too would be, or should be, fearful of having this man in power.

What a day in America. We have tow men running for the office of President with decent morals, families and standards having a debate of the Jesus and the Devil.

Oh no the MORMONS are comming to take over the government! I’m really scared! Much to do about nothing. All you so called Christian’s who persecute others who don’t believe what you believe. Who made you the Christain Police? Why don’t you try building up your own beliefs. Try explaining the trinity and see how far you get with that one.

Romney is running as an American, not a Mormon. To assume that he is going to take orders from the Mormon Church is insane. What would the Mormon Church tell him to do anyway? Love people, bail them out of their stupid decisions, send millions of aid to Katrina victims and others around the globe, help people? Hell, maybe Romney can help reform welfare to be more inline with the Mormon’s program, which is teaching a man how to fish instead of giving him fish everyday at the taxpayer’s expense with no real incentive to get up off the duff and contribute to society. I can’t think of any negatives that Romney will bring to the government from his Mormon faith. None of the Mormon doctrinal stuff will be taught, but the Mormon’s philosophy on hard work, education, and self-reliance might just show up. This should make most republicans happy.

Religion should never be a part of politics. If we get some religious nut in the white house, he will use his political power to persecute people of no-faith and other faith.
You can believe in whatever you wish to believe in but don’t force your beliefs down my throat.

Rebecca,
Let me see if I have this correct. You are an avowed athiest, yet you joined a church that you didn’t know much about, and THEN set about learning what it stood for. You didn’t like what you found, so you are characterizing it as ‘deceitful’. And you are characterizing all members of that religion as either fools or fanatics. And then you tell the world that they need to lighten up and smile more. Wow it is amazing what you can piece together when you follow one of these threads long enough.

For Huckabee to make a comment like that reflects his character or lack thereof. America won’t stand for religious bigotry from a presidential candidate. If he continues to make comments like that, Romney is sure to be president in no time.
Right now Huckabee is the target of all kinds of negative press along with dwindling support in the polls. He had better retract those kind of comments or lose his bid for president, and possibly his seat in congress. Republicans have had enough bad press over the last year or two. They don’t need him cause more.

Actually it shows us nothing about the Huckster. Dan Quayle knows how to spell, Dick Cheney knows a lawyer from a game bird and Mike Huckabee knows an innocent question from a political barb. All this whole issue shows us is that there are some seeking the GOP nomination who will pander to the evangelical christians. Gosh here’s a thought would you rather have a President being led around by people who supress theories they don’t beleive, or being a member of a group who believe things most people feel the need to supress. Show me a single case against teaching evolution filed in the state of Utah.

Who is surprised to hear that Huckabee asked if Mormon’s didn’t believe Jesus and Satan were brothers? This is the same person who said that “the carriers’s of the plague” speaking of AIDS, should be isolated. Then of course, Huckabee thought it was a GAY plague and he was for Gays being isolated from society. The man is a nut case. He also thinks everyone should be armed. We evidently don’t have enough random shootings to suit Huckabee. If I were the last republican on the face of the earth, I would not vote for this man 0f great moral upstanding. After all, he was a baptist preacher for many years. And Evangelical folks, you guys are welcome to him. good luck.

So much is being said about religion, remember your history (assuming that the subject was taught in your school) that in England, The Church of England was established, and all were required to join. All other believers were persecuted, they left England and came to America to establish their own churches or denominations as they believed. In writing the Constitution the right to establish a religion or to worship was protected by the founders by stating that the government shall not establish a religion not “there will be no religion in the government”. The government is now in the process of establishing Atheism as the religion of the nation by the use of unelected judges and the ACLU.

I’ve said it before but I’ll say it again. Huckabee meant to ask if Romney believed that Santa and Satan are the same person. He just got confused Santa and Jesus are not the same person. Both are givers and both have been known to make sacrifices to bring joy to mankind, but … oh yeah only one of them is real.

Mitt Romney Rocks!Incredible, honest, kind, helpful, forthright, trustworthy, well respected both internationally and domestically, great business man, presidential looking, strong character, healthy, executive experience both in the private sector and in government, successful as governor of Massachusettes, man of conscience, and will prevail as the rock of strength against mealy mouthed Hilary. Regardless of his religious believes, he has my vote! Vote MITT!

Christianity is all about enlightenment. Isn’t it funny when a religious discussion comes up, that we are reminded about just how closed-minded people are? The difference is that the ignorant seem to get all the media attention. Bummer, huh? They only make-up a small fringe minority of our population. Most everyone else has a degree of religious tolerance and would love to see more from the government. I hope that all of us learned something new today that one didn’t know about the Mormon faith. We’re a very misunderstood religion. We are Christians. I have a Christmas tree in my livingroom. We sing all the same Christmas carols. We eat Christmas dinner, too. Some of us drink eggnog and eat fruitcake, though I never understood where that tradition came from. I would rather eat asparagus…Anyway, Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night depending on what time zone you’re in!

Imagine there’s no heaven, It’s easy if you try, No hell below us, Above us only sky, Imagine all the people, Living for today…
Imagine there’s no countries, It isn’t hard to do, Nothing to kill or die for,
And no religion too, Imagine all the people Living life in peace…

Mormonism teaches that Jesus and Lucifer are brothers who competed for the opportunity to become the savior of planet earth. Jesus’ plan won approval and Lucifer rebelled and became the tempter and deceiver of planet Earth.
President Spencer W. Kimball wrote” “Long before you were born a program was developed by your creators … The principal personalities in this great drama were a Father Elohim, perfect in wisdom, judgment, and person, and two sons, Lucifer and Jehovah.” (Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, p. 32-33). James Talmage explains who Jehovah is: “Jesus Christ was Jehovah…Jesus Christ, who is the Jehovah of the Old Testament” (Doctrines of Salvation, vol.1, p.11,27).
Milton R. Hunter (one of the LDS General Authorities) explains “The appointment of Jesus to be Savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God. He was called Lucifer…this spirit-brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the Savior of mankind” (The Gospel Through the Ages, p.15, 1945).
Joseph Smith stated: “The contention in heaven was…Jesus said there would be certain souls that would not be saved; and the Devil said he could save them all, and laid his plans before the grand council, who gave their vote in favour of Jesus Christ. So the Devil rose up in rebellion against God, and was cast down” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p. 8).
“And Satan came among them, saying: I am also a son of God” (Pearl of Great Price, Moses 5:17). See also Mormon Doctrine, pp.192, 546-47, 589-90 and Gospel Principles p.15-16.
Mormonism teaches that Jesus is only one of many saviors who are each responsible for the salvation of the population of other planets like Earth. Mormon men are working with the promise that they, too, will eventually become gods and be given a planet of their own to populate. This will be accomplished by their intercourse with many wives who will bear millions of spirit children to inhabit the bodies of the people on their planet.

Nope, Boba, no confusion. Start a conversation with any “jack Mormon” who hasn’t attended church in years, and they will become the most “convicted” people you’ve ever met, spouting their “beliefs” just as if they have been going to church every Sunday and just finished a mission. I advise anyone, of any religion, or any political leaning or party member, to research the people running, their voting histories, and their personal beliefs. What people do, say, or teach has EVERYTHING to do with what kind of a leader they will be. There is no way to separate a person from their morals, their convictions, and their political party. Just as god is 3 in one, father, son and holy spirit, so is a political candidate: spiritual, carnal and democrat or republican. We are fooling ourselves if we think that a leader will compartmentalize their personal beliefs, their religious beliefs and their responsibilities as a leader. Just as those we elect now vote on their convictions and not the convictions of the constituants that elected them. Once they are in office, their personal beliefs and convictions mean everything. We have the responsibility to research and know those beliefs and if they are capable of putting aside their personal convictions to vote the way the people they represent would have them vote WELL before we elect them to office. That being said, I know I won’t vote for a man who uses the religious “babble” of the bible instead of his own religious beliefs and doctrine to answer a question. It’s circular talk in the worst form, and I deserve more as an American, and as a voter. I’d rather have him be an Islamic Extremist with some conviction and some guts to stand up and spout what he believes and what has been taught than hide behind the beliefs and words of another. It’s total bologna.

Mr Charlton, it seems that bondo was just quoting the prophets of the LDS church, not attacking. If you read what bondo wrote and agree with what the LDS church doctrine is, then it won’t be offensive but if you disagree, then it may be offensive (sound familiar). I believe he was just paraphrasing and quoting the LDS church’s beliefs based on their own prophets, including Joseph Smith. Myself, I have no problem voting for Romney even though I strongly disagree with his church’s doctrine, as long as his ‘platform’ coincides with what I believe is best.

What does Mitt Romney believe as a faithful Mormon?

To: PHILM
Spin(according to Phil): I urge people who want to know what Mormons really believe, without relying on how a TV Talking Head spins it, to read the entire article. I find it disturbing that, according to Mormon writings, I can’t get into Heaven unless Joseph Smith says it’s okay.
The Truth: We don’t worship Joseph Smith
and we don’t “need his approval” for Heaven.
Spin(according to Phil): Jesus did not marry.
The Truth: Where does the bible say that? (It doesn’t)
The journal of discourses and history of the church are not official scriptures of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.
http://scriptures.lds.org/
“Now therefore be ye not mockers”
Isaiah 28:22
“Trust in the Lord and Lean not unto thine own understanding”
Prov 3:5

Mike Huckabee may be feeling the heat of being a front runner and he lack the courage to handle it.It’s hard to think he will handle the Presidents’ job with that kind of attitude.He should run for a religious office as he seems to quote scriptures to cover up his inexperience as an effective leader.

All I can say, after reading the posted comments, is instead of tearing down what another religion believes simply because we disagree, maybe we should consider the one fact that should bind all Christians together, and that is charity. Why doesn’t each person ask himself what HE is doing to help others…why not ask what YOUR church is doing to help others…as for the Mormons, here’s what they did just last year…Any religion that does this much to help should certainly not be the object of ridicule of other “Christian” churches…

It is amazing to read–the misconception about the Mormons belief. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is the official name of the church. It bears the name “Christ” because he is the head and “chief cornerstone” of the church. The common name “Mormon” as most people know–is just the nickname. There is nothing wrong with being a Mormon?” To me, the word that bears the name “Mormon” means something good. Why? Because it taught me “great and fundamental principles”–to be more “Christlike.” To try to live what the Savior Jesus Christ has taught and that’s is to “love God withall our heart, might, mind and strenght–and love our nieghbours us ourselves.” To love God and our fellowmen were the two highest commandments our Saviour has given us. So why persecute the “Mormons” for living their beliefs. Again the Jesus Christ taught the beautiful when he said, “Ye have heard it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you…For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? (Matt. 5:43-44,46).” So, because someone may claim (he or she) has better beliefs–”why shed such bigotry in your heart?” Jesus taught us not to “judge.” He said, “Judge not, that ye be not judge. For what judgement ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?(Matt.7:1-3).” Again, there is none other greater principle in life to live–other than living the teachings of Jesus Christ. It doesn’t matter what “denominations of religion” we are in. Foremost to this, however, is living the “gospel of Christ” as a way of life. Furthermore, I love this simple and profound thought found in the Book Of Mormon–”Wherefore, ye must press forward with steadfastness in Christ, having a perfect brightness of hope, and a love of God and of all men. Wherefore, if ye shall press forward, feasting upon the word of Christ, and endure to the end, behold saith the Father: Ye shall have eternal life.” This alone mean’t alot to me and how I live my own life. Have a nice day:)

People starving world wide.
Even Mother Theresa was wondering if there is a Heaven seeing all the misery world wide
Death of 6 million Jews. Which God allows that? The Mormons and Christian God or son of God called called Jesus Christ or the Devil
Frankly, I would rather believe in the Biblical story of Jonah in the whale for seven days. That at least is funny

Sean Thomas,
I understand just fine. I don’t hear you denying that you beleive you can become a God either.

I DON’T DENY IT.
I AM PROUD OF THAT AND OF MY RELIGION.
GO AHEAD , ATTACK IT MORE
SEE IF I OR ANYONE ELSE EVEN CARES

Sean, I don’t need to attack anymore. You’ve proven my point for me. I encourage you to stick to the Bible and to the Truth.

Sean,
I am a Christian. The Bible is the complete and perfect word of God. The last four verses of the Bible in the Book of Revelation, Chapter 22:
18I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
20He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.”
Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.
21The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God’s people. Amen.
Don’t add to the Word. Merry Christmas.

After reading many of the comments above, it is clear that Romney and the Mormon “prophets” are afraid to tell us what the Mormons really believe. However, even they cannot deny that it was not untill the late 1960`s that the Mormons supposedly stopped discriminating against Blacks and Indians. No Christian religion ever allowed such discrimination.

AHEM: christians had no problem supporting slavery here in the USA and RIGHT FROM THE PULPIT for hundreds of years ! (i guess that’s not dicrimination ?)

Scott: “I am a Christian. The Bible is the complete and perfect word of God.” that is an OPINION and a SUBJECTIVE CHOICE, not verifiable truth or fact. (P.S. scholars have proven that the writer of revelations was talking aabout NERO CAESAR = 666)

RE: FACT: (i.e. LOOK IT UP !): early christian church fathers (read pope) determined that the birth of christ should be celebrated on december 25 to coincide with pagans celebrating solstice celebrations (mostly MITHRAS, but many pagan pantheons had solstice celebrations)…so like the bible, christmas is a tradition that is celebrated as FACT, but really ISN’T…(let’s just bury our heads in the sand, SHALL WE ???)…MERRY MITHRAS TO YOU….

AHEM: christians had no problem supporting slavery here in the USA and RIGHT FROM THE PULPIT for hundreds of years ! (i guess that’s not dicrimination ?)
Posted by: skeptic | Dec 13, 2007 12:17:39 PM
AHEM: and Muslims have no problem with it today in Northern Africa but you don’t hear the UN doing anything to denounce it.

I am LDS (Mormon) and the reason we don’t argue about religion is because there is no purpose to it. Jesus never argued with people about their beliefs. Everyone can believe what they may, Mitt Romney has good morals and values as an individutal. We are Christians and just because it’s different doesn’t mean it’s a bad thing.

Sean: I guess I would have to beleive that Joe Smith was a real prophet from God, which I don’t.
15″Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. (Matthew 7:15)
My personal favorite:
1But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping. (2 Peter 2:1-3)
Skeptic: Yep, it’s my opinion. That’s where faith comes into play. By all means, don’t beleive. That’s YOUR opinion.
Bram: Stop posting the same damn thing every hour or so. Don’t you have any other original thoughts in that pea brain of yours???

SO WHAT, doesn’t Huckabee believe the Earth is 6,000 years old?

Skeptic: Don’t confuse the issue…it’s my opinion that it’s fact. In other words, I have faith that the Bible is true. God requires and element of faith for salvation. First of all he gave us free will because he loves us so much that he would never force anyone to love him back.
Secondly, if he just showed up and started throwing lightning bolts all over the place, of course everyone is going to beleive in him out of fear. You’d be dumb not to. But he doesn’t want that. He wants people to come to him out of love and a genuine need. I hope you will find him.
Sean: Honestly, I hope we both make it to Heaven one day. I recognize that I don’t have all the answers and that God makes the final call where we end up. But until that time, I’m sticking to my guns and I’m sure you’ll do the same.

Scott
I do too hope for us both to make it.
I don’t have all the answers either, but I invite you to research our church.
I do believe it has the correct ordinances to make it there.
Good luck, God bless.

Skeptic: If you don’t care what happens after you die AND you don’t beleive in any religion, WHY DO YOU CARE what Christians say or if they say or don’t say “I believe” or “in my opinion”.
If I were a true athiest, I wouldn’t care what anyone said. I woudn’t read blogs that have to do with religion. I wouldn’t waste my time commenting on them. I’d just be off having as much fun as possible because this life is all we got right? Can you help me out with this?

The Church of Jesus Christs of Latter Day(Mormon)is helping many citizens of the world as it follows the teaching of Jesus Christ as he commanded us to do.We cannot only speak of him but also do as he teaches us everything we need to do to gain eternal life.When a well known lawyer by the name of Nicodemus ask the Savior how he would gain eternal life,the Lord answered 3″Jesus answered and said unto him,Verily,verily,I say unto thee,Except a man be born again,he cannot see the kingdom of God.4 Nicodemus saith unto him,How can a man be born when he is old?can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb,and be born again?5 Jesus answered,Verily,verily,I say unto thee,Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit,he cannot enter into the kingddom of God.6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh;and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit.”As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints I am proud of my church and my life and the lives of our families are blessed by believing in him and his restored gospel through the prophet Joseph Smith in whom the Lord reveal his will into the world.

okay, first of all you people who complain of being “attacked”…..grow up. A criticism or questioning of religious practices is NOT an “attack”. To claim so is an attempt to characterize yourself as a victim. If you are confident in your belief you would not be defensive. All religions should be scrutinized, else how does one discover the truth?
Secondly, the issue of the article is the substance of Huckabee’s question. Bondo, about half way down these comments quoted some supposedly Mormon scripture. IF it is accurate it is the ONLY information in the media/new media that truly answers this issue. By my reading, that scripture indicates a belief of the Mormons that Jesus and Satan are in fact brothers. I’ll look those passages up myself and do further research so I can satisfy myself of the correct answer. As to what that means in regard to the race…..not much on the substance in my opinion. But if Romney or the Mormon church was disenginiuos in their response that tells me something as well.

“God has never condoned ignorant attacks on other religions” …. I have to ask what drugs you are on. Religion is a belief system that requires that a person suspend all reason and logic and disregard all that mankind has learned in the last 3,500 years. The scriptures were written by flat-earthers. These were people whose bicameral left and right brains thought that the ‘voices’ in their heads were the gods speaking to them. Your statement about what these mythical gods “condoned” is sheer lunacy. The next time you speak about god, substitute the name “Zeus.” You will quickly see how irrational your statement is.

The concept of a Saviour born of a Virgin to redeem humanity is hardly a concept unique to Christianity. Do Christians even bother to check into the other “MYTHS” which predate Christianity ? How is it that Christianity is “REAL” and ALL OF THE OTHERS ARE SILLY STORIES ? It’s 2007 and it’s time to stop thinking like they did 2000 – 3000 – 4000 (PLUS) years ago when all of these silly fables were invented. It’s really PATHETIC !!!

Note, the name of the church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It is NOT the Church of Latter Day Saints. You will not take Christ away from us!

We grow up believing a certain way because our families and/or our countries do, but does anyone even bother to look into the history of mythology or the transition from pagan polytheism into monotheism. I mean really look into the common origins of all people and all faiths. Not to do so, is to take the whole concept of gods and religion completely out of context, isn’t it ? There were so many ancient ideas, philosophies and theologies (from India to Persia to Egypt to Greece) which came together around the time of Alexander the Great. Isn’t it completely obvious to anyone with even just a little bit of common sense what really happened ? (The hellenization of Judaism is documented, so why not Christianity and then Islam ?) You always hear about how one faith or god is better than another or one way or god is more “right” than another. What about the common threads in ALL myths and religions and what they mean to ALL people. To claim moral superiority is nothing more than cultural and geographical bias. To accept one doctrine which obviously has origin in others and to dismiss the others as nonsense, is in itself NONSENSE. It is impossible to label one work, faith or book as the undisputed truth or infallible word of god without admitting your own biases. The diversity of the world and all that live in it is OUR COLLECTIVE STRENGTH. If the Universe is INFINITE, why does man insist on giving it FINITE LIMITS ??? Because, not only is it easier for people to understand that way but it is also easier to control people that way as well. We believe because we’ve been conditioned to believe for 2000 years. Think outside the box: DON’T BE A SHEEP !!!

Beyond Mitt and MIke’s little contretemps, the broader issue here involves the media’s queer reluctance to ever delve into the founding texts of these religions. We see the same aversion to basic research when Islam is involved. Why? After all, the allusion is either accurate or it is not. The discussion above suggests that it is accurate. Perhaps the journalists are simple too embarrassed to acknowledge the kinds of beliefs that the future “most powerful man in the world” might be keeping under his hat. My own reading of the the Book of Moroni and of all the contrived claptrap that goes with it (golden plates, transatlantic visitations etc.), is that no grown and educated adult could ever willingly associate himself with any of it. In terms of content, it sits a notch or two above the Koran; in terms of style, just below L Ron Hubbard’s Dianetics.

Hey Shawn | Dec 14, 2007 11:33:13 AM
Look up when the book of revelations was actually written. If you believe the Bible was written like a story with revelations being the last chapter in the book, you have a lot more to be concerned about than whether Mornons are Christian.

Mormonism teaches that God, men, and angels are all of one species. They believe that their god was once a man on a distant planet and was exalted to godhood through obedience to the Mormon gospel. The Mormon god and his goddess wife produced billions of spirit children who come to tabernacle in physical bodies on earth. The first spirit child was Jesus. Another spirit child was Lucifer, who became the Devil. So, yes, they most certainly do teach that Jesus and Lucifer are brothers, and Romney certainly knows this, but is employing obfuscation regarding this non-Christian doctrine.
Christians believe that God was always God, from everlasting to everlasting, as do Jews and Muslims. Mormonism teaches that Mormons can be exalted to godhood someday by being obedient Mormons and rule over their own planets. I doubt Romney would admit that Mormons are “gods in embryo,” as their Prophet, Hinckley, has called them, but this is the sad truth.
Mormonism may be a religion, it certainly is not Christian.

Christ set his church upon the foundation on Prophets and apostles. Eph. 2:20 how many of your churches have that?? ya go read your bible and go learn something

I asked a Morman that came to my door if Morman’s believed that Jesus and satan were brothers and he said “yes”. Ask the Morman that comes to your door….they are taught this!! I will not vote for a man that believes this. Also….I wonder if they refer to Romney as “Lord” in the Morman church.