NIE Report: Iran Halted Nuclear Weapons Program Years Ago
ABC News’ Martha Raddatz, Jonathan Karl, Luis Martinez, Kirit Radia and Jennifer Duck Report: In a stunning reversal of Bush administration conventional wisdom, a new assessment by U.S. intelligence agencies concludes Iran shelved its nuclear weapons program over four years ago.
"We judge with high confidence that in fall 2003, Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program," reads a declassified version of the National Intelligence Estimate key findings.
"We judge with moderate confidence that the earliest possible date Iran would be technically capable of producing enough highly enriched uranium (HEU) for a weapon is late 2009."
The entire NIE report will remain classified, however the office of the Director of National Intelligence released a declassified version of the key findings that can be read HERE.
The new intelligence report could create an embarrassing situation for the United States as it pushes for a third United Nations resolution against Iran for its nuclear activities.
The Bush administration reacted swiftly Monday, arguing that while the latest intelligence report is "positive news," they won’t abandon their strategy of applying "intensified international pressure" on Iran.
Calling the new intelligence "complicated" National Security Advisor Steven Hadley explained the intelligence community has known for a few months there was "new information" with Iran’s nuclear weapons program.
President Bush was told in August or September that "new information" with Iran’s nuclear program could be coming out but the president was only informed last Wednesday that the nuclear weapons program in Iran was halted in 2003. Vice President Cheney knew a week before the President was informed because he sat in on preliminary meetings, according to Hadley.
Hadley said the President was told in August-Sept to keep using the same talking points as he was using before when speaking on Iran. "He [Bush] was not told to stop talking about Iran’s nuclear weapons program. He was not told to change what he says about it. What he was told was, we have new information; it is interesting; it is going to take us some time to understand it," Hadley explained.
However Hadley confirmed the intelligence was wrong in 2005 when the intelligence report said Iran’s nuclear weapons program still existed. "We thought they had that program — we did, indeed, in 2005."
Hadley urged the international community to "turn up the pressure on Iran" using diplomatic isolation, financial pressure, and UN sanctions. President Bush may speak about the new intelligence report findings in a press conference scheduled for Tuesday.
A senior U.S. official who has read the intelligence report told ABC News that while the NIE concludes "there has been a halt when it comes to weaponization" of Iran’s nuclear weapons program, that doesn’t mean Iran might not try to resume weaponization of their nuclear program in the future.
It’s "an intentions judgment, not a capabilities judgment," said a senior U.S. official. In other words, the Iranians could restart this aspect of there program, but for whatever reason, they have halted it for now.
The Iranian government has admitted they are maintaining a nuclear enrichment program. IAEA reports confirm Iran continues to work on perfecting centrifuge technology that could be used to create highly enriched uranium that could eventually be used in a nuclear weapons program.
The finding that Iran shelved its nuclear weapons program in 2003 is based on new intelligence gathered this year. The NIE report was scheduled to be completed in the spring and sent to Congress, but was delayed because of the new information.
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What? We need them to be making WMD so that we have a reason to attack them. This is not good news; Iranian actions will lead to Peace on Earth………..can’t happen
Posted by: Roy | December 3, 2007, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm
Bush’s bluster could be embarrassing to the U.S.? Now there’s a news flash. But I don’t believe the intelligence because Dick Cheney and George Bush have assured me that they don’t know what they’re talking about.
Posted by: jason c | December 3, 2007, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm
LOL Roy!! I wonder how much of the egg our fearless leader will have washed off his face by the press conference tomorrow.I’m going to watch just to see him wiggle.
Posted by: whistleb4dawn | December 3, 2007, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
The fact that Iran has no nukes will clearly pave the way for a U.S. invasion given the same thing happened with Iraq.
Posted by: Brian birchall, rancher | December 3, 2007, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm
On the other hand, they have no announced the completion of several longrange missiles with a range of 1200 miles…
Posted by: Jazz | December 3, 2007, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm
ROY: This is good news – not the other way around. Do you propose that we attack them anyway just as we did Iraq without proof to the contrary??????? Your attitude will definetly not lead to “Peace on Earch”.
Posted by: judy | December 3, 2007, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm
Brian b., is 1200 miles enough to threaten the US?
Posted by: jason c | December 3, 2007, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
Judy, I think Roy was being facetious.
Posted by: jason c | December 3, 2007, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
To GWB this Intelligence Report is just another gd “peice” of paper, like our Constitution. I’m sure he will place more weight on the advice of Darth Cheney and fire-up the Death Star to eradicate Iran. Impeach him NOW!!!!!
Posted by: Uniblogger | December 3, 2007, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
And you know this must be correct. It’s from the same people who said that Iraq had stockpiles of WMD’s. They’re never wrong.
Posted by: jl | December 3, 2007, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
oh, don’t worry. There will be spin on the intelligence.
Posted by: Louis | December 3, 2007, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm
Iran doesn’t need nukes for Bush to want to attack…. They’ll come up with a different rationale to do it. Something like, Iran is helping Iraqi insurgents so we need to bomb Iran to stop them even though that won’t make a difference.
Posted by: Jeremy | December 3, 2007, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
Why should Iran be allowed special treatment? If that’s what we did with Iraq, then as a matter of principle, we should do the same with Iran! Don’t worry, the oppressed masses will throw rose petals at our tanks as they roll through the streets of Tehran.
Posted by: w_roos | December 3, 2007, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm
…and do you swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth
Posted by: BTL musings | December 3, 2007, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm
Well… since when have clean inspections EVER stopped the bush administration from attacking? This admin is hell bent on starting a fight… just watch…
Posted by: RW | December 3, 2007, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
As Iraq showed, facts have no bearing on the irrational war-mongering of DickNBush. These criminals will continue to do whatever is in their (the oil oligopoly’s) best interests and the voters of America can be dam’ned.
Posted by: ALEX H. | December 3, 2007, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
What could be the real motive behind the rhetoric the Bush Administration has been disseminating for years against Iran?
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Posted by: Jeff Boste | December 3, 2007, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm
But they do have the intentions to declare their desire to engage in efforts to hire scientists who will develop skills to do research in nuclear weapons related program activities.
That’s good enough for me to support a pre-emptive strike.
On to Bandar ‘Abbas and Tehran!
Posted by: gregor | December 3, 2007, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm
You just know what the Right Wingnuts are going to say?
Of course there’s no evidence of Iran’s nuclear program – because it’s secret. No evidence doesn’t mean it’s not there. because we “know” it’s there. Just like the moronic “debate” between science and religion. Oh, who cares what we can see with our own eyes, we “believe” the earth is 6,000 years old therefore it must be.
That’s all the “proof” I need.
Posted by: gcs | December 3, 2007, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
This is a non-issue story. When has this president ever considered intelligence before making a decision.
Posted by: Roy | December 3, 2007, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
Don’t worry my warmongering friends. W will just attack them in order to spread freedom and democracy. Because spreading freedom by occupying sovereign nations always works out in the end…
Posted by: dan | December 3, 2007, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
“In a stunning reversal of Bush administration conventional wisdom”
Talk about the ultimate in sarcasm!!!
Posted by: Roy | December 3, 2007, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
No WMD didn’t stop us before! Onward to Tehran with an arrogant self-righteous swagger! Oh, and make sure there is no post-invasion plan for Iran either. That’ll make the conflict last and defense contractors can make a heck of a lot MORE money! Quick wars are just a bad investment if you manufacture things used by the military.
Posted by: Brent | December 3, 2007, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm
“A senior U.S. official…” Are you as tired of unnamed sources as I am? The whole story is useless; because MSM continues allow attribution without substantiation!
Posted by: Bushie | December 3, 2007, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm
This could have a big impact on our foreign policy! Unfortunately, as we all know too well, this administration doesn’t pay much attention to NIEs…
Posted by: BobN | December 3, 2007, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
Oh good. This will give our stateside party-before-country sympathizers another reason to hate GW more than the murdering terrorists who killed 3000 of our friends and neighbors in a single day, just because GW beat two liberal lunatics.
Posted by: Happy Trails | December 3, 2007, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
‘It’s “an intentions judgment, not a capabilities judgment,” said a senior U.S. official.’ This one idiotic comment speaks volumes about our current foreign (and domestic)anti-terror policy– it’s what they are thinking about doing that we have to punish them for. I haven’t read this much doublespeak nonsense since Orwell’s ’1984′. By the way, recent letterhead legislation by our own doublespeak poster boy does in fact make citizens criminally liable for their ‘antagonistic thoughts, opinions, or intentions’. It’s “Minority Report”, but without the cool special effects or Tom Cruise. Iran may as well resign themselves to the fact that we intend to attack them with or without their provocation, and if they are smart will continue to develop a coalition of their own to discourage the warmongering cabal currently running our country.
Posted by: h5mind | December 3, 2007, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
Today’s NIE report stands in stark contrast to the White House’s propaganda campaign laying the groundwork for military action against Iran, a campaign that dates back almost six years—to Bush’s 2002 State of the Union address in which he designated Iran as a founding member of the “axis of evil.” Since then, this drumbeat has waxed and waned as other concerns—primarily the disastrous invasion and occupation of Iraq—have often commanded center stage. Now, with the Bush administration approaching its final year in office, a renewed push and a shorter fuse have become increasingly evident.
Posted by: Roy Eidelson | December 3, 2007, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm
Oh No!!!!
In your face, Georgie!
Now you and your Zionist buddies will have to find someone else to attack. I can only hope that you are held accountable on Judgement Day for every person killed in Iraq for no good reason. Not only should George Bush be impeached but also brought up on criminal charges for defrauding and lying to the American public. For Shame!!
Posted by: Roger A. | December 3, 2007, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm
Funny thing is we Americans or I should say most of us paying attention knew Iran had no nukes, why is it that our President and his administration didn’t know? We need to bring our troops home now and yes with our tails between our legs, no use in killing anymore of our soldiers for nothing or innocent civilians in the middle east. They want us out, and we have no reason to be there. The longer we stay the worse it will get for us here at home, Wake Up America.
Posted by: Terry | December 3, 2007, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm
Iran is just using what they can for a smoke screen,what about there secret faculities that may be underground,for uranium making,those areas,Iran is just trying to through us off,we need to attack them before it’s to late.
Posted by: Steve | December 3, 2007, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
The question is, what kind of coverage will we see on you network news.
I’m betting little if any.
Posted by: dras | December 3, 2007, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm
Those dang, liberal U.S. Intelligence Agencies!
Posted by: Michael | December 3, 2007, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm
“For evil to prevail, it requires good people to do nothing.” Keep doing nothing liberals but complaing about how bad the United States is.
Posted by: dan | December 3, 2007, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
So this means that Bu$hCO has been lying for the last 3 years as they have had and have been suppressing this information the whole time and yet still claimed that Iran was working on Nukes. Is that not impeachable?
Posted by: Yossarian | December 3, 2007, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
We all know the war with IRAN is to be sure the oil reserves are not cut off from the United States – that is why we went into IRAQ. This is not a bad reason, but as we all know, it was executed so badly that we now sit in the mess that we are in. Fact #1: The United States NEEDS Oil to survive – day to day. We will eventually build up a alternative energy policy, but not anytime soon – if within our lifetimes. Therefore, the war for oil is just, but dishonest.
IRAN has no nukes. Im sure we’ll put 5-10 nukes in the vacinity and quitely warn the middle east to behave. Wow, sounds like we’d need a large base in the center of the Middle East to accomplish this???
Fact 2: US Builds 15 x 15 mile base in IRAQ (curious???) This will be manned by 50,000 American soldiers. The will watch and be guardians to the World Oil Reserve for the next 100 years – or until it runs out.
Fact 3: Due to the Greed of certain Heads of State – the entire plan was botched from the beginning and is just now beginning to be cleaned up. Funny how the timing works for a new administration.
Posted by: BronxBoy7117 | December 3, 2007, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
“”For evil to prevail, it requires good people to do nothing.” Keep doing nothing liberals but complaing about how bad the United States is.
Posted by: dan | Dec 3, 2007 2:18:50 PM”
And you keep apologizing for the war-profiteering war criminals dan.
Posted by: Innocent Bystander | December 3, 2007, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
I think that George W. Bush should be embarressed. Congress should worry about Impeaching than about Iran.
Posted by: Mark | December 3, 2007, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
Frankly, I don’t believe a word of this report. However, I did get a kick out of reading that the NIE is “moderately confident” that Iran stopped developing nukes in 2003.
Iran is secretly developing nuclear as we speak. Regardless of how you feel about the current administration don’t let that blind you from lying dogs like the Iranian government.
Posted by: kbwest | December 3, 2007, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm
“we judge with moderate confidence”………gee that makes me feel good that your moderately confident they wont have the junk for a nuke until ’09. Please dont say ‘slam-dunk’, ok?
Posted by: whatthe? | December 3, 2007, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
Shocking!
Posted by: Andy Boynton | December 3, 2007, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm
“Darth, what’s this report? The bombers are already on the way.” – Bush
“No… don’t send the recall.” – Cheney
Posted by: Tom | December 3, 2007, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
Looks like in return for American reassurances that they will not attack Iran is going to allow Russia to enrich Uranium on their behalf.
As Iran have not been able to get the centrifuges working anyway. Bush is just trying to position himself so that he doesn’t look a big as idiot as usual.
But this IS a 180 degree shift from where we were at yesterday. Make no mistake about it it is HUGE.
Posted by: Chris | December 3, 2007, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
” The NIE report was scheduled to be completed in the spring and sent to Congress, but was delayed because of the new information.” – not exactly true.
Posted by: Brian | December 3, 2007, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm
Wait..wait…Don’t put out this story until we bomb them first. Then we can say we didn’t find any WMD’s. So after crying wolf how many times, we should now believe everything you tell us. What a bunch of bumbling fools! The U.S. Intelligence Agency has a long way to go to re-establish my faith in them and this president.
Posted by: vnvet68 | December 3, 2007, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
The warmongers won’t give up. They want us to fight all of Israel’s enemies.
Posted by: Eric | December 3, 2007, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
Just like evolution is a theory, this is only an estimate. When would we ever want to let expert opinions stand in the way of what King George and Sir Richard Cheney “know” is true. It is so much easier to be omnipotent.
Posted by: BooMan | December 3, 2007, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm
maybe no nukes yet. however should we wait until they have one or two. come on even saddom admitted that he did’nt have them however he was working on getting them. so should we wait until it is too late,and get caught with our pants down. and then have that threat over our heads. and when they lite one our way. what then? i don’t know we really have think about this one..
Posted by: greg | December 3, 2007, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm
These Neville Chamberlains are laughing and stressing points with all the certainty of their own moronic guffaw. Hey people, it’s time to go back to the villages from whence you came; the villagers are lonesome for their idiots and the “Little Monkey” from Iran who laughs at you also thanks you for your support.
Posted by: Chas | December 3, 2007, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
There is NO justification for the U.S. to start a war over oil no matter how much we depend on it. We have know for many decades that we need to find alternative sources of fuel but that has not been politically expedient. Nothing has changed except war chants of the Neocons and other Repubs. If we had made the wise investments in alternative fuels we would be equal to the other diversified democracies of the world. Instead we have become criminals and the scourge of civilization usurping other’s rights and property.
Posted by: gus smith | December 3, 2007, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm
I shall be infinitely surprised if this story is not “permuted” in coming days, to “Iranians are building their nuclear capability…” — I even expect it to be altered on abcnews.com. Somehow this keeps happening — the story comes out — “Iranians Bent on Peace,” or “No Iranian Nukes,” or “Iranians Contributing Money to Israel” or whatever… and then any or all of CNN, MSNBC, and ABC… start retracing their steps as though they’d made a mistake — is the objective to devalue all media-based information?
Posted by: kravencarver | December 3, 2007, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm
The liberal media is at it again with it’s “truth” and “honesty”….Never Forget that Iran attacked us on 9/11 with Irag and whoever else has OUR oil under them.
Posted by: DJinNH | December 3, 2007, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
I think I just had an enlightenment moment — actually, Iran NOT having nukes is helpful to the current administration (in DC) because when they go forward with their attack on Iran, the American people will more readily go along with it because we are assured that Iran has no nuclear retaliatory capability. In all likelihood, in the next few months to a year, someone will attack a major US city with a “dirty bomb” which will then be blamed on the Iranians — thus becoming the pretext for a war with them. The silly-minded, American public will again roll over on its back, sit-up, beg, lick its master’s hand and everything will be right with the world.
Posted by: kravencarver | December 3, 2007, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
another day another outrage… yawn… ho hum… another day in the life of a brain dead america… can anyone wake up and say IMPEACH?
Posted by: earthnotflat | December 3, 2007, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
“The liberal media is at it again with it’s “truth” and “honesty”….Never Forget that Iran attacked us on 9/11 with Irag and whoever else has OUR oil under them.”
…No… you’ve got it all wrong again (nothing new for a neocon)… Iran (nor Iraq) ever attacked the US. The last war of aggression by Iran was in the 1750s. You need to study some history before you go spouting off irrelevant opinions.
Posted by: kravencarver | December 3, 2007, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
I shouldn’t be embarrassed. But the Bush administration should be stripped of all its power and imprisoned for their abuse of the law.
Posted by: ab | December 3, 2007, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm
Bush should Nuke’m before they can strike back. Honestly, Bush is nuts! He’s wasted his entire time in office sending us on expensive wild goose chases
Posted by: rainhut | December 3, 2007, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm
So what are we to do now? If they want to attack, they will. Meaning this country. Sigh…
Posted by: Janeyre | December 3, 2007, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm
It’s interesting that the question is whether the U.S. should be embarrassed. It is Iran that so loudly proclaims its intentions to pursue this path and its their crazy leader who believes his spiritual calling is to prepare the way (like John the Baptist) for the savior who will unite the muslims, that his role is to stir up comfusion and create division. He appears to be doing just that. The same ones who slam Bush for taking a strong stance with Iran are the same ones who really don’t have a clue about middle eastern mentality or understand our previous 50 years history with that region and would be the first ones to cry ‘shame on Bush’ if Iran were to successfully attack US. Can’t have it both ways people.
Posted by: kaitlyn | December 3, 2007, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
Embarassed? No. Attack? No. Relax? No. I am somewhat relieved, though.
Posted by: Sean O'Brien | December 3, 2007, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
So we should always believe the happy reports and never believe the unhappy ones? And if Iran doesn’t have a nuclear program then they shouldn’t have any problem proving it.
Posted by: John Kantor | December 3, 2007, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
I recall the Iranian president stating clearly that they were working on nukes. Intel obviously wasn’t listening.
Posted by: cbeargal | December 3, 2007, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm
kraven said: “The liberal media is at it again with it’s “truth” and “honesty”….Never Forget that Iran attacked us on 9/11 with Irag and whoever else has OUR oil under them.” I laughed so hard. excellent but I am at work.
Posted by: MarinesCallmeDoc5 | December 3, 2007, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm
Now we know why Cheney has been trying for some time to keep this report quiet.
Posted by: LawyerTom1 | December 3, 2007, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm
To the authors of this article: Can’t you spell? You write, “…this aspect of there program.” When used as a possessive adjective, the word is spelled t-h-e-i-r.
Published journalists should write better english than this.
Posted by: richard | December 3, 2007, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
You liberals hate your own country so much you will side with iran and deny any improvements in Iraq! So go see your buddy Hugo. Kiss code pink while you’re there
Posted by: john g | December 3, 2007, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm
Does our Intelligence agencies s*u*c*k that bad? Wow, how the mighty have fallen.
Posted by: rglines | December 3, 2007, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm
Its doubtful reporters verify with their sources anymore. Even “IF” the report is correct they have been wrong many times before so I am doubting the US (Un)Intelligence Report. Iran has hated Israel and Western Ideals for decades, if scantions were lifted their verbal hatred would be replaced with physical hatred. Weak report with one positive on top of a 1000 negative news reports.
Posted by: Deputy Dawg | December 3, 2007, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm
DO, not does..sorry about that
Posted by: rglines | December 3, 2007, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
Bush addministration has just one policy. They replace peace with war and politics with terrorism. What did they get in Iraq. Did they find any proof of “WMD” in Iraq which was shown a reason for a war to the world. Did they? Bush administration just want to keep themselves in those places which are “oilrich”. See Iraq. Bush and his administration are just betraying their Nation. Nothing else
Posted by: Bangash | December 3, 2007, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm
Some of you should review our history with Islamic extremists. Here is a suggested reading list. Yeah I know, it’s all George Bush’s fault.
Iranian Takeover of the US Embassy and Iranian Hostage Crisis
Marine Barracks Bombing in Beirut by Hezbollah
Munich Olympics massacre by the PLO
Iraq invasion of Kuwait
Khobar towers bombing by al Qaeda
US Embassy bombing in Kenya al Qaeda
USS Cole Bombing al Qaeda
1993 World Trade Center Bombing
9-11 World Trade Center Bombing al Qaeda
9-11 Pentagon Bombing al Qaeda
London Bombing al Qaeda
Madrid Bombing al Qaeda
I’m leaving out so much but this should be a start for many of you. In summary, the world is a dangerous place. Do you really need to have a nuclear event in a major city to understand what we are dealing with in terms of Islamic extremists?
Posted by: Scott Wiggins | December 3, 2007, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm
Only in America! why do so many fat and lazy liberals jump on anything even reletively good about Iran, but won’t recognize america’s acomplishments.
“Liberals and French have a lot in common” Gettin closer to communism the Liberal way!
Posted by: john g | December 3, 2007, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm
Scott you’re so right!
Liberals have memory loss about certain things, but only when it pleases their Socialist-Communist side!
Posted by: john g | December 3, 2007, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm
This is a non-story. When did Bush ever say Iran had nukes?!?! The report still points out the capability will be there 2009.
Posted by: sfd | December 3, 2007, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
The intelligence agencies need a complete overhaul. After the weapons of mass destruction fiasco can you really believe this report?
Posted by: Trumpy | December 3, 2007, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
Did President Bush read this report before initiating conversation about possible talks regarding nukes in Iran? PEACE is an option. The world is big enough for everyone to share. PEACE is an option. Women need to participate and get involved with government issues around the world – too many men are easily ready to destroy and there is too much arrogance in politics today. Women need to lead for a change with PEACE as an option.
Posted by: sue from texas | December 3, 2007, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
Our President needs to be careful not to wear down his intelligence; and, to step back from possible paranoia. We are living in a sophisticated, global society and, the enemy uses mind games as its weapon. If we burn ourselves out mentally, internationally speaking, our nation will be caught by surprise with the wrong choice of leadership.
Posted by: mary c | December 3, 2007, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
Wait a minute. Who told them to investigate and report this? The American way is to BOMB the hell out of a country and THEN report back that they were not a threat. Stop reversing the order!
Posted by: Emeril | December 3, 2007, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm
Hey guys, have you heard our nation is in 10 trillion dollars worth of debt? Lets go out and attack another country! Bet we could make it double that in a few years.
Posted by: Sereena | December 3, 2007, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm
But wait…. The Administration previously stated that it has classified intelligence that Iran is seeking a nuclear weapon. I don’t know how it is humanly possible that Iran does not have a nuclear weapons program.
If the media would have insisted that the Administration back up its assertions in the first place, there would be no confusion.
Posted by: Jamie | December 3, 2007, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
Well, if we could ever get past personal opinion or political affiliation and just focus on facts,… where would three quarters of the politicians, media, bloggers, and talking heads in this country (or any other for that matter) have to do? They might have to shut up for five minutes and let the working public have a few minutes of rest.
But while we’re on opinion,… isn’t there some non-nuclear way to simply flatten the entire middle east so we can just terminate the insanity it seems to breed in all people, everywhere?
Posted by: Don | December 3, 2007, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm
Bangash, thank you for reminding us of the violence the extremist have committed the last few years. Unfortunately, many in the United States are in their own little world of listening to the political debates between two parties and have steadily leaned toward apathy after 9/11. Immediately after 9/11 the country blamed the government for not being preemptive and proactive enough to stop attacks from our known enemies. Then as the U.S. government listened and responded with big security changes, battles against those who wished them harm (Saddam stated in the past he wished to destroy the U.S. and Israel), the citizens began to grow weary of war. This weariness of Americans is what other nations count on. But, the U.S. military, on the other hand, is anything but weary. They are something to be feared and respected. In the end, will Americans crumble to political pressures like they did in Vietnam, or will they have enough home support to hold out, rebuild a nation and create strategic bases in a very important region of the world. I’m not a supporter of Bush (I don’t agree with many economic issues), but I do see a man who has the stamina to keep the nation secure dispite the media/political attacks. 9/11 was a wake up call, but many Americans are going back to sleep (at least according to the polls).
Posted by: Edward S | December 3, 2007, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm
SHOULD THE U.S. BE EMBARRASSED? NEWS FLASH – The U.S. has been embarrassed since 2000 when by some FLUKE of stupidity they placed a total imbecile into the highest office in the land! OF COURSE WE ARE EMBARRASSED!!!!
Posted by: RW | December 3, 2007, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
Scott Wiggins
I supported the attack on Iraq to get rid of Saddam Hussein WMD’s or no WMD’s. I cannot however see any justification for an attack on Iran at this time. Iran already has the technology to produce nuclear weapons. All we will do is delay the inevitable by bombing and cause a whole world of hurt in the process.
Irans behaviour has been modifiedby the use of sanctions. It could be that citing this evidence President Bush is hoping to persuade Russia and China to agree to another round of sanctions with which to persuade iran to halt all enrichment activities.
Posted by: Chris | December 3, 2007, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
Here’s another “surprise” for you:
The second largest population of Jews living in the Middle East, happen to live in IRAN – and they even refuse $ bonuses from Israel to relocate. Google it yourself – and then ask what is wrong with the picture you are being fed by “our” media.
For all you good Christians out there – read Rev. 2.9 and Rev. 3.9 and then ask yourself why is it only a tiny handfull will find and walk the narrow path.
If you want to know why Iran is (and why Iraq was) being demonized – all you need to do is google “A Clean Break – A New Strategy for Securing the Realm”.
Read it and weep – then start really supporting out troops.
Posted by: turn off your TV | December 3, 2007, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
Blah blah blah …Who knows what is going on? The public should be suspicious of the white house, congress, the press and the so called intelligence agencies. They have all failed our country in a crises as to getting to the truth and I have no confidence in these reports whatsoever.
Posted by: maddymappo | December 3, 2007, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
Marine and Scott… Well written and i 100% agree with you. However, its not very funny. At least with the libs and dems, i get to laugh out loud.
Posted by: MarinesCallmeDoc5 | December 3, 2007, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm
If Saddam Hussein’s iraqi nuclear reactor ‘osiraq’ was levelled by the Israelis, then Iran should have similar fate. The Islamic fundies are not to be trusted.
I wonder why even Pakistan was given the opportunity to build nuclear weapon’s program. They are part of the same relgious group.
Posted by: ez | December 3, 2007, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
If Iran has already “shelved” its “Nuclear Weapons Program”, then why is the ‘International Community’ being urged to punish the people of Iran with diplomatic isolation, FINANCIAL PRESSURE, and UN SANCTIONS?? WOW, what a fulfillment of The Scriptures!! The consequence for not ‘BOWING’!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Huggy bear | December 3, 2007, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm
I don’t always believe what I read. All I know is it’s better to be safe than sorry.
Posted by: Vicki | December 3, 2007, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm
Are we sure the White House is aware this news is getting out to the public? This is amazing!! So now, what will be our excuse to attack Iran?Appaarently this IAEA report was going to be leaked, and the White House is just going to have to spin it around and around to make themselves look like they have a lick of sense.
Posted by: Becky | December 3, 2007, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
No problem. Bush Jr and Cheney and their bosses at Halliburton will just think up another lie…maybe next they’ll have Weapons of Mass Destruction. Gotta start that war and funnel a few hundred billion more American taxpayer dollars down the toilet.
Posted by: wilder5121 | December 3, 2007, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
Don’t forget, when Europe made it thoughtcrime to make arguments or publish evidence about factual inaccuracies concerning the Holocaust, Iran allowed a convention to take place on their soil where people were allowed to excercise free speech. If “Freedom is Slavery”, as the Democrats and Republicans claim, then Iran clearly needs to be emancipated.
Rest assured.. even if the oil-loving Republicans lose the presidency in 2008, the Israel-loving Democrats will be sure to bomb Zion’s enemies back into the stone age. I hope the republicans still have their anti-war signs they used to march with during the Clinton presidency.. if not, they can probably borrow some from the democrats until the next Republican presidency.
Posted by: Edward Mann | December 3, 2007, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm
BobN….Do you really still believe Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. You have to start thinking for yourself and stop following blindly the worse President we have ever had.
Posted by: gorguy | December 3, 2007, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm
Not good news for the Bush/Cheney liar and
crooks. Let’s see, who has OIL??????? Who’s next…….
Posted by: Alan | December 3, 2007, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
Once again lack of communication between government agencies – what a disappointment. Get it together! Yes I am disappointed and embarrassed as an American. PEACE is an option. This is why we need a Change in our American System – John Edwards! And don’t give me that malarkey about his legal career – there is no perfect candidate but he’s a great representation of “We The People” America. No arrogrance involved like insecure Mayor Rudy or wannabe Thompson or Mitt with no diversity experience……
Posted by: sue from texas | December 3, 2007, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm
huggy bear…being safe does not mean making the world hate us
Posted by: gorguy | December 3, 2007, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm
Can someone please tell me why Clinton was impeached for telling one lie which had nothing to do with the rest of us but bush started telling lies to get elected and has not stoped since and nothing comes from it.
Posted by: gorguy | December 3, 2007, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
I wish someone in congress would introduce a resolution to impeach both Bush and Cheney. Unfortunatley, they all seem to be a bunch of spineless bobble heads.
Posted by: bigbird | December 3, 2007, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm
edward s….my son recently came back from his third tour in Iraq. Guess what the real soldiers, the ones that put their lives on the line, are getting tired. He lost three friends right in front of him on his second tour.
Posted by: gorguy | December 3, 2007, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm
In the mountains somewhere Osama bin Laden is laughing h at us. We sit here being VERY afraid as we bankrupt ourselves in Iraq fighting “the evildoers”. So far we’re doing a pretty good job of that, while Halliburton, Carlyle Group, et al are stashing away our treasure for their futures in Dubai. All Osama needs to do is bide his time, like a vulture. Our children and grandchildren will be so broken from paying this nation’s huge Iraq debt back to China, they’ll be easy pickin’s. This country will be weakened and theirs for the taking. (they’re already doing this: Citibank is a prime example). It makes me sick to think about what kind of a future we’re creating for our beautiful grandchildren.
Posted by: Bon | December 3, 2007, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
Edward S.- bravo. We have a winner. I totally agree.
Posted by: MarinesCallmedoc5 | December 3, 2007, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
edward s…crumble in Vietnam. For god sake man, we fought there for close to ten years and how many young men never got to live their lives out, 50,000 – 60,000. How many more would you have had die for no reason. Oh yeah, Bush ran from that one didn’t he.
Posted by: gorguy | December 3, 2007, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm
goreguy- clinton lied to a federal grand jury, lied to the American people and everyone across the globe. Clinton got what he deserved and was not acting presidential. Who could of would ever trust him again after lying to your face. The Federal part was an offense that should have landed him in Federal prison. You or I would be toast. Bush has not been brought up on formal charges. Read the definition of impeach or impeachment.
Posted by: MarinesCallmeDoc5 | December 3, 2007, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
Clition lied about having a affair. Because of bush lies thousands of people are dead and the world is laughing and or hates us and this country is just falling apart. Back to my question…why has not bush been bought up on charges and you can play the word game like bush has I guess but the question is the same.
Posted by: gorguy | December 3, 2007, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm
In short, they will develop their nuclear capability to the point where manufacturing nukes will be off the shelf technology. But no definite plans to mass produce them.
I feel good now.
Posted by: Abdul Alhazred | December 3, 2007, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm
So Bush has been lying again, and has been for 3 years. I am glad he didn’t start a war over nuclear power plant. Even if they had one it is authorized under Article IV of the NPT! Bush has claimed Iran violates it….well we have been violating it for years. Is there a treaty we haven’t violated?
Posted by: concordcan | December 3, 2007, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm
Come on now people hold up on the vanwagon thing we don’t know what the hell is going on yet. Someone in here is right we will go to war with that thug just like Saddam if he still playing the bluffing game with us (like Saddam). Saddam did not come clean that his nuke program was dismantled. that way Iran won’t atack him but he did not know that we have given him so many chances to come clean.
Posted by: Vegas | December 3, 2007, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
The reason Bush Jr hasn’t been impeached….despite there being at least ten valid reasons…is because the Democrats don’t have enough votes in Congress to do it, unless a few Republicans join them. And as we all know…not a SINGLE Republican will EVER do what’s right for their country. They always follow the party line. They’re worse than those goose-stepping Germans back in the 1930′s.
Posted by: wilder5121 | December 3, 2007, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm
Now we know, not only why the report was delayed, but also the real reason for the outing of the (lead spy for proliferation intel ops) Valerie Plame. Just like in the lead up to the Iraq atrocity, our intel analysts keep deviating from the White House script. Perhaps Cheney will restart the Directorate of Plans (propaganda mill) in the pentagon to generate some Bush-friendly data. (I read elsewhere today that Rice is rehiring Wolfowitz & some other IRAQ war architects) How many insults like this do we tolerate before we IMPEACH!??
Posted by: monteg3534 | December 3, 2007, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm
MarinesCallmeDoc5 – We all, including yourself, have baggage. Some of us hide from our problems. I believe, and before I say anything, I understand your comments. I too felt my heart sink when Clinton made some serious mistakes – once again, we all including your self have made some type of poor decision before. We all make mistakes – I believe I read that Clinton has sought professional help and assistance. I am not advocating the Clintons just as a human being that is not perfect – I have forgiven him. It takes a big person to forgive someone – I don’t expect you to. And no matter what the heck you say – President Clinton is one of the best foreign policy intelligent individual on this planet – he is brilliant unlike our current administration that is unqualified to be in his position, yet he is. We have more debt we are facing as a nation than any other President has ever, and I mean ever, left behind. And speaking of debt, it does not matter if the next administration is Republican or Democrat – the next administration will have to clean up the mess left behind. If you think for one minute, there is not a mess you are simply not admitting the truth.
Posted by: sue from texas | December 3, 2007, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm
Uh, for every warhawk and ‘marine4ever’ who snivels about the intelligence agencies being wrong before, so we ought to attack Iran, a country with the GDP and militry budget of, say, Ohio, just to be sure:
Try to remember the well-documented and grossly obvious fact that the intelligence agencies weren’t the problem with bad Iraq intel. They were stepped on by Cheney and his brigades of chickenhawk ‘think tank’ gerbils.
So snap out of that “Texas brain lock” eh? High-tech intelligence agencies are perfectly capable of analyzing kindergarten-level concealment scenarios like ‘underground labs’ or ‘hiding the WMDs in Syria.’ If the NIE assessment (the consensus of ALL U.S. intelligence agencies) says it’s improbable that Iran is working on nukes, then it’s very improbable that Iran’s working on nukes.
That means stand down.
Posted by: atlas spanked | December 3, 2007, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm
“Posted by: Jeff Boste | Dec 3, 2007 1:20:10 PM
But they do have the intentions to declare their desire to engage in efforts to hire scientists who will develop skills to do research in nuclear weapons related program activities.
That’s good enough for me to support a pre-emptive strike.
On to Bandar ‘Abbas and Tehran!”
AND Then on towards Jerusalem, Tokyo, Berlin, London, Paris..why not Toronto and Maui as we are fired up dudes? Lets burn this whole globe and then hire HalliB to do the clean up shall we? The American thirst for blood and oil knows no boundaries..ROFL!
Posted by: LiberalRebel | December 3, 2007, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm
The oppressed masses will throw rose petals at our tanks? I’m half Iranian my friend, and believe me, they won’t be throwing roses. They would defend their nation, just like we would. Trust me, I’ve been there.
Posted by: BA | December 3, 2007, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm
Kaitlyn writes:
It’s interesting that the question is whether the U.S. should be embarrassed. It is Iran that so loudly proclaims its intentions to pursue this path and its their crazy leader who believes his spiritual calling is to prepare the way (like John the Baptist) for the savior who will unite the muslims, that his role is to stir up comfusion and create division. He appears to be doing just that. The same ones who slam Bush for taking a strong stance with Iran are the same ones who really don’t have a clue about middle eastern mentality or understand our previous 50 years history with that region and would be the first ones to cry ‘shame on Bush’ if Iran were to successfully attack US. Can’t have it both ways people.
Posted by: kaitlyn | Dec 3, 2007 3:12:06 PM
I have one question for you. When did the leader of Iran Proclaim any such thing. Please clarify, I have never heard or read anything like that before. We will never have any type of peace in our Nation if we continue this warmongering, we are bringing it upon ourselves. Our Country has been spying all over the world for decades.
Posted by: Terry | December 3, 2007, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm
Marinescallmedoc: Bush and Cheney haven’t been brought up on impeachment charges because they’ve never had the stones to testify under oath, the slimey weasels. That, and the current Democratic House isn’t as foamingly partisan psychotic as the Ginrich monkey zoo was. Remember, the Gingrich ‘revolution’ House dropped the nation’s business faster than Gingrich did his dying wife, and spent most of their energies on an absurd series of Clinton witch hunts like the Whitewater ‘scandal’ and ‘troopergate.’ All of those were the paranoid black helicopter fantasies of an Arkansas bait shop owner and survivalist, made large by Richard Mellon Scaife money and such upstanding representatives as Chris Cannon (UT-corrupt) and Tom Delay (TX-pseudo Christian psycho).
By contrast, the Bush administration lies as frequently as they exhale. And somehow they get a pass for it. Disgusting. And their cronies have been skimming Iraq War and DOD funds as fast as they can grab them.
Posted by: atlas spanked | December 3, 2007, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm
You libs are amazing. In your twisted minds this is all some kind of conspiracy by G.W. If you think that just because Iran does not have a verifible necular weapons program that they pose no threat, than you evidently didnt read the whole article. They still are a threat to you, the only thing that has changed is the time line . I know, you believe that they are enriching uranium for power production. Yea right.
Posted by: harry | December 3, 2007, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm
“kraven said: “The liberal media is at it again with it’s “truth” and “honesty”….Never Forget that Iran attacked us on 9/11 with Irag and whoever else has OUR oil under them.” I laughed so hard. excellent but I am at work.”
No I did not… you didn’t read my post carefully enough — I was citing someone who posted earlier. Please get your facts as to the authorship at least.
Posted by: kravencarver | December 3, 2007, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm
Oh oh! Bush will now have to announce tomorrow that Iran is secretly building a DeathStar.
Posted by: SkyPete | December 3, 2007, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm
If slimy weasel bush said it’s true, then we know automatically that either he’s lying or speaking from stupidity.
Posted by: sylvester katt | December 3, 2007, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm
kaitlyn, ABC was the only news cast that worded it that way, libs will be libs.
Posted by: harry | December 3, 2007, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm
Lets see… Bush Administration lied about Iraq… and Iran? Naaaaaaaa… can’t be true.
But…. what if the Bush Administration did lie…. just what if… the GDP, employment, inflation numbers etc. are all… “wrong”… distorted… fabrications.. all lies?
Well they are… the GDP has been in minus territory for over two years, inflation numbers don’t include energy or food prices and the real inflation number is now 8.4%, unemployment is actually 3% higher then stated 4.8% … it’s actually 7.8% etc. The Bush Administration has issued six years worth of statistical lies
The radical Neoconservative Bush Administration has “cooked the books” concerning GDP, employment, inflation and other important numbers released monthly by the US Bureau of Labor Statistics.
As Hitler did during World War II, this administration utilizes “Authoritarian Rule” and the “big lie theory”… the bigger the lie the more likely people will believe it.
Wake up America… you’ve been had.
Posted by: G. | December 3, 2007, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm
PNAC member and superhawk Bolton admitted that he wishes the Iranians will kick the inpection people out. This would serve his goal to militarily have a better chance to occupy another country. Last time, 1953 didn’t end all too well
Posted by: 1984 | December 3, 2007, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm
Now that’s funny. No nukes for you, one year! Talk about egg on your face, GBW is probably saying something witty like…”and the American people can thank ME for that”.
Posted by: therockofages | December 3, 2007, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm
The report was declassified now. How old is the report. I heard that it is more than one year old….which means that Bush/Cheney have spent the last year scaring Americans about another imminent threat that they knew was bogus
Posted by: William B. | December 3, 2007, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm
Thanks Chris, I looked up “A Clean Break – A New Strategy for Securing the Realm”. Scary stuff. Vote Ron Paul before we nuke the whole region.
Posted by: David | December 3, 2007, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm
Of course the truth doesn’t matter to Bush, he has his own agenda and nothing will deter him from it.
Posted by: Topsey Krett | December 3, 2007, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm
US is preparing its own funeral by intimidating other nations.
US is breaking one wall only to find there’s one more on the way. They can’t stop and will never stop because the universe is the end of what they want. And the universe is endless. And stronger. US won’t overcome one of the hurdles because one can’t run the distance of infinity. That will be the end.
Democracy and all that crap is just for romantics. Lies is a pill to calm down the nation.
Posted by: sirsergei | December 3, 2007, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm
To David re: A Clean Break …Thanks for checking that out.
Now for the real scary part – notice one author of it – Douglas Feith – and now Google “Feith + Iraq + Intel” and then add “spy” and Google some more. Want some more? Notice the other Clean Break author = Wurmser – and now google “MEMRI”….then Google “memri + ahmadinejad” … It then even gets worse if you Google “israel + pipeline + iraq” … Remember about a year ago we were told billions in Iraqi oil went “missing” due to “faulty” meters installed by Halliburton? Okay now – So when do we really start to SUPPORT OUR TROOPS?!
Posted by: turn off your TV | December 3, 2007, 6:28 pm 6:28 pm
Dan said at 2:18:50 PM: “”For evil to prevail, it requires good people to do nothing.” Keep doing nothing liberals but complaing about how bad the United States is.”
Oh, don’t you worry Dan old boy… we libs will do everything we can to be sure a moron like Bush never gets in office again!
Posted by: Troy Street | December 3, 2007, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm
When will people wake up and realize that those NeoCons who put oil (Cheney/Bush) and Israel (Feith/Kristol/Abrams) first are the only ones who were pushing for more lies and more wars? Even as the Iraq debacle and lies were being exposed, people like Kristol were writing articles about war with Iran. Thank God the intelligence community has chosen to put the US FIRST. Face the truth already. When N. Korea is being treated to diplomacy, yet the Mideast is always threatened w/ war, you have to ask yourself why. I have always known the answer – INFLUENCE.
Posted by: TheTruth | December 3, 2007, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm
Here’s U.S. intelligence: a new U.S. intelligence report says Iran halted its nuclear weapons program in 2003 and it remains on hold.
Here’s U.S. intelligence on Cheney’s brain: a large-scale air assault on Iran employing both conventional and tactical nuclear weapons.
Posted by: newz4i | December 3, 2007, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
…just say NO to Cheney by voting more Republicans out in 2008.
By the way, Cheney has a bunker paid for by you.
Do you think you’ll get a nice bunker from Cheney for your Xmas present this year?
Posted by: newz4i | December 3, 2007, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm
I bet many Neocons are mad about Iran not having a nucear weapons program! They were all ready to have the US invade Iran,these sick people love wars and all the misery and deaths,war brings. Of course these Neoconsor their elatives would never,ever serve.They are too good to fight in any war they might want started.
Posted by: AJ | December 3, 2007, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm
Just like with all other info going against the official line, this will be completely ignored because there is an agenda here that has nothing to do with WMDs aside from using them as a smokescreen and excuse to carry out the agenda. People need to wake up!
Posted by: Bill Hicks | December 3, 2007, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm
Chas, Little Monkey, huh?
Think about it this way. When bin Laden watched “Shock and Awe,” he smiled and thought, “Those fools fell for it.”
Posted by: newz4i | December 3, 2007, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm
This is further proof of why Bush and Cheney need to be impeached. We can’t allow these blatant crimes and lies to the American people to continue. They KNEW Iran had halted their nuke weapon program, but STILL went to the public saying they had one. How many more times does this administration have to lie about huge national security issues before they are held accountable?
Posted by: TomFL | December 3, 2007, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm
I swear – NIE and in general all of U.S. government are incompetent and complete imbeciles.
Posted by: wayne | December 3, 2007, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm
I have one last question to the folks that think we should keep up this warmongering. The question is, what do you think we would do if another country decided to come to the United States with thousands of troops to supposedly locate/kill terrorists but they weren’t quite sure who they were, or if they just wanted to stop us from having nukes? Do you think we would want that? Do you think we would allow that? I think not, and that is exactly what we are doing. As President Bush said several years back, “Mission Accomplished”, that was said after we took down Saddam, we should have come home then, now we have a bigger mess to deal with. There are more of these so called terrorists but they can’t be found.
Posted by: Terry | December 3, 2007, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm
hillary will stop the maddness
Posted by: jen kennedy | December 3, 2007, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm
Mahmud Ahmadinejad does not represent the majority of the Persian people! Even with his fanatic boosting, according to most middle-east experts, it would take Iran 4-5 years to develope a nuclear weapon. In this time, he will be history and the beautiful and intelligent generation coming on will turn things around!
Posted by: frogprince | December 3, 2007, 8:45 pm 8:45 pm
What a joke. IRAN is at this moment laughing their socks off. They are trying to build the bomb and it’s not in any of the places we know off. It’s in another secret place deep underground. God help us all if this dies down and in a year they announce that they now have the bomb. It’ll be too late then.
Posted by: Steve | December 3, 2007, 8:45 pm 8:45 pm
Where is “curveball” when you need him?
Posted by: bob | December 3, 2007, 8:48 pm 8:48 pm
This latest revision of “intelligence” is an example of how GOVERNMENT IS FAILING FUNDAMENTALLY [Pun intended.]. It is time to pull in our horns and send government back to school. Government will better serve the American people, when it re-learns to repair potholes, provide medical care for Vets, manage disaster recovery, secure the borders and deliver mail. Once the basics have been re-mastered, government can return to saving the world for democracy and running the business of other nations but not until then. My guess is that re-learning the basics will take another 250 years. Federal, State and local government, has become a pitiful mess.
Posted by: Ronin | December 3, 2007, 9:07 pm 9:07 pm
Two things are true; Bush is always wrong and Bush always lies to the American people. How long did Bush have the “classified” version of the report and still lied and lied and lied. Puke!
Posted by: geneonlbk | December 3, 2007, 9:17 pm 9:17 pm
In one story ABC manages to selectively believe the in tel committee when it suits their rip Bush platform AND fails to put two and two together and realize that maybe Iran stopped their nuke program because they saw what happened to Saddam. Leftist hacks and losers that see everything through the prism of being liberals first and reporters of news LAST.
Posted by: Mark E. | December 3, 2007, 10:52 pm 10:52 pm
What the Iraq war taught rogue nations is that they need nuclear weapons to keep other countries from attacking them. If you don’t have already have nukes then you will end up like Iraq which didn’t have nukes yet. No country will invade North Korea or Pakistan for that reason.
Posted by: JT | December 3, 2007, 11:09 pm 11:09 pm
I think I remember this movie…it doesn’t end well.
Posted by: dano | December 3, 2007, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm
Funny how NIE says Iran halted program after we invaded Iran yet draws no connection. Read the report. It says sanctions are important and necessary. It also explains that dual use build-up continues and DOE & NIC have moderate confidence Iran has halted all its nuclear bomb making programs (the ones we know about…LOL).
Did NIE warn us about nuclear facilities in Syria? Did they predict Pakistani nuke? This is an estimate report and doesn’t even address the funding of terrorism by Iran, it’s programs in other countries, nor why Iran refuses the complete disclosure to the IAEA which South Africa allowed. Meanwhile, it builds bunkers, heavy water facilities, ballistic missiles and silent subs, all underway long before George Bush.
The truth, if the NIE is rights, is that Qaddafi and Ahmadinejad blinked when we invaded Iraq. Having been burnt by better news coming from Iraq, many on the Left read what they will into this Report. The sad truth is that many would rather believe Ahmadinejad than the NIE which makes the good case for sanctions without even mentioning terrorism and threats (see other WMD Iran has). Please note they release this report as critical negotiations go on between the US and China in regards to sanctions. Not political? Sure as hell is. With Saddam around now without sanctions who would bet the NIE would look anything like it does today?
Posted by: Max | December 3, 2007, 11:46 pm 11:46 pm
The warmongers were wrong again and Ron Paul was right. We dealt with 40,000 Russian nukes, now we are worried about Iran maybe having a nuke? What a joke. They attack us for the same reason we would attack them if they were occupying our land. Bush should be tried for war crimes for killing hundreds of thousands of Iraq’s with his illegal preemptive invasion.
Posted by: Greg | December 3, 2007, 11:59 pm 11:59 pm
Funny how NIE says Iran halted program after we invaded Iraq…..(excuse typo above)
Yes, I suppose they would really stop their programs should we invade “Iran”…LOL.
On the matter of Syria, why do some here think they leveled the bomb site after the Israeli attack and poured massive concrete over a wide area? Some experts conclude Syria was building a nuclear bomb making facility and plutonium was on site. Did a NIE Report on Syria reveal this?
With what degree of confidence did any NIE reject the idea past NK nuclear tests involved small nukes Iranian and North Korean scientists observing need to place on ballistic missiles? People talk about Iraq showing how countries need nukes to defend themselves from the US. Interrogations of Saddam by Piro revealed Saddam deliberately lied about WMD to fools Iran. He declared even at the the end, Iran’s programs required him to build nukes. Iran secretly strived to build the bomb since the early eighties, but Leftists denied this as they did about Gaddafi. They actually belived Gaddafi was building giant irrigation tunnels…LOL.
The idea that the most repressive regimes build WMD to protect themselves from our tyrannical threats is an affront to Jeffersonian ideals. Any Democrat that opposes WMD in the hands of extremists and psychopaths is called a neocon. Get a grip. Even France knows what Ahmadinejad is up to -buy time, build deep bunkers, carefully build secret facilities, get their hands on more fuel and expand their own enrichment programs required to build bombs. Why is this a shock? The NIE report gives the same timeline to an Iranian bomb. They have about as much Intel on secret Iranian facilities as they did about Pakistan, Russia, China, North Korea and Israel, despite nuclear materials from the US going to Israel.
After declaring they would not release declassified reports because of political manipulation, NIE reversed themselves. Now some will try to use the report to politically attack. Perhaps Mission Accomplished applied to Iranian fears after our troops landed in Afghanistan and Iraq. Not even the NIE suggests we should let Iran off the hook. The only things now besides threat of force keeping them from nukes are sanctions, Remember that, when spinning the latest NIE. The Mullahs are probably laughing tonight, well not really, the IDF is wide awake.
Posted by: Max | December 4, 2007, 12:12 am 12:12 am
This is almost insane. We have a government in which Cheney learns that Iran is not pursuing the bomb a week before Bush learns it? Cheney didn’t bother to tell Bush? And in his intelligence briefing, at which he learned about Iran’s halting its pursuit of the bomb, Bush was only told that we have “new” information? That it’s “interesting”? Wasn’t he told that the new and interesting information was that IRAN WASN’T MAKING A BOMB? And we learn that “nobody told Bush what to say.” Nobody told him to change his rhetoric. From WHOM does Bush get permission to change his speeches? Who would DARE tell Bush what to say? The worst cascade of BS that has ever poured out of the White House, and the worst administration ever.
Posted by: Robert Maxwell | December 4, 2007, 1:28 am 1:28 am
How any ex-military person who bravely served this country can support the evil Neocons is beyond belief. They are Chickenhawk warmongers who would never serve,espeially during wartime. Shame on you if you support Bush and Cheney. Shame!
Posted by: AJ | December 4, 2007, 1:48 am 1:48 am
As they say: What good is a military if we don’t use it once in awhile – Take them out before they change their mind, GO BUSH/CHANEY!
Posted by: Henry | December 4, 2007, 5:06 am 5:06 am
Okay, all the ‘Bush lied’ parrots out there. This very report states that the LAST NIE, 2005 WAS INCORRECT in their assesmet that Iran was actively CONTINUING to develope nuclear weapons. Bush has not been hiding, or lieing about it. Secondly, the report also states that the reason Iran shelved it nuke program, for now anyway, is because of the international pressure brout to bear, pressure brought about by Bushs’ leadership , you know the guy who never has any solution for any problem other than bombing, and killing. We have had Lybia give up its WMD program, we have our people in Northe Korea TODAY inspecting that program, and now we find out Iran shelved its program around the same time Lybia did. I dont expect any of you Bush hating idiots to give him credit for any of it, if it were Hillary shed get a Nobel prize.
Posted by: hellooo | December 4, 2007, 7:13 am 7:13 am
Doesn’t it seem strange that GWB never mentioned the fact that Iran halted work in 2003 in any of his talks and threats regarding Iran? Hmmm, think maybe he had something else in mind and the intelligence agencies nipped that in the bud? Surely he wouldn’t invade a country for no reason but to feed his own ego would he? Nah, not our gun toten’, heel tappin, sashayin, stupid grinnin, cowboy who belongs in a zoo. Oops, sorry, I just insulted all the wildlife in the world. He is the master of deception – he can go on TV as a magician after he leaves the office he stol – twice!
Posted by: Ron | December 4, 2007, 11:49 am 11:49 am
You neolibs sound more and more loony-tunes daily. Youve gotten yourself all worked into a self diluding frenzy. I believe the recent study that found your mental health lacking was spot-on.
HAHAHAHAHA Silly neohippies, leave the grown-up stuff to the grown ups, you clearly are not mentaly tuff-enough
Posted by: whatthe? | December 4, 2007, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
helloo: I think you misunderstand. The NIE doesn’t give any evidence that Bush was lying in 2005. What it DOES reveal is that he was carrying on with his inflammatory rhetoric and “World War III” and all the options on the table and let’s all sanction Iran — AFTER he was told of the NIE’s findings.
Posted by: Robert Maxwell | December 4, 2007, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
This could become an issue on the campaign trail. If it does, It’s bad news for Hillary. It would become she did it to Iraq and was about to do it to Iran. She was going to start two wars to stop WMDs and find none again, this is why she can’t be the next president. She’s Bush with a bra. I can see it now. Bush is a fool for hyping this, we could have made the same mistake. If it happened it could have crush our army. Thank god for those spies.
Posted by: Ayyub | December 4, 2007, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
Again some glaring facts.
1. NIE now say they were wrong in their 2005 statment. What makes them more honest now and what are the “intelligence gaps”?
2. They make a case for ONLY sanctions (which Bush fought for) stopping a regime that would otherwise continue their qwest for the bomb (which the Left still denies Iran was seeking).
3. They release their report that even Intelligence-disable people can see will damage sanction unity. See France, England and others scramble to counter the we-love-Iran crowd.
4. The NIE has a dubious record and if this report said Iran was six-months away from a nuke, Dems would be calling for impeachment should Bush act.
5. There are a number of glaring holes in the report which American Thinker addresses. Iran is a highly secretive State. It took an Iranian resistance group to discover and convince IC the Mullahs were trying to build a nuke.
6. The NIE cannot say it has a high level of confidence they know all of Iran’s secret facilities. If they did, then the IAEA would demand to check them out, right?
7. TOday’s Iranian programs are needed to build a bomb and at any moment one of those underground bunkers can switch on and begin research in fabricating a bomb. Or Iran can set up facilities with Assad, Chavez or Kimmie. Can the NIE say with high certainty they haven’t already? The heavy water plant, the first enrichment centers and the new ones are all part of any future nuke program. Why try making a bomb when you need more material?
8. Iran should be sanctioned for its murderous support of terror, it’s violation of human rights and its contempt for laws prohibiting memember States of the UN to call for another’s destruction. They have refused to compromise after large offers and aid. Their military products kill Iraqis and Americans. They offer to give their nuclear knowldge to all of the Muslim world and continue to call for the defeat of the US.
9. Still, Democrats are delighted about Bush being corrected by the very group that informed the world in 2005, Iran was making a nuke. They missed Pakistan, India and others. They still have no real data on the facility Israel hit in Syria. Dissenting views were removed from the report and DOE and NIC are not certan all aspects of nuclear weapon making has been halted.
10. If the Left was given a choice of being wrong about Iran or being wrong about Bush, they would wish Iran surprise us rather than offer any validity to the administration’s position. How is this not religious behavior? Has the partisan sickness so clouded people’s objectivity, that there is no room for prudence? When asked by journalists what would Iran do if attacked, a top Iranian general said recently, “We have facilities you don’t know about, so we will continue forward and respond with destruction all over the world”.
Posted by: Max | December 4, 2007, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm
“High Confidence” = WE DONT KNOW, we ARE guessing, and we HOPE we are right —– The only fools here are the ones who really think this report says that Iran isn’t still trying to develop weapons…. They are, and they will, – Bush IS on the right track —–
Posted by: FidoNY | December 4, 2007, 10:22 pm 10:22 pm
Iran is probably developing weapons just because… so many other countries claim they have prood they aren’t. Right. That sort of twisted logic got us into the mess in Iraq.
Posted by: Lydia | December 4, 2007, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm
Don’t any of you fools think to ask, Why did Iran suddenly stop their nuclear weapons program? (Considering the report is accurate)
Is it maybe because the Mullahs saw the U.S.invade Iraq and overthrow Sadam Hussein and his sons in a matter of weeks?
Wake up!!
Posted by: mike davis | December 4, 2007, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm
This fellow posters is a Guess not a Fact! It is called the National Intelligence Estimate! Estimate, get it,
it’s a Guess! Unless we actually infiltrate the Iranian Govt or it’s nuclear facilities, all we can do is guess about their nuclear program.I for one, would not let my guard based on a guess!
Posted by: reaganfan | December 4, 2007, 11:47 pm 11:47 pm
Good post by Mike Davis. Intentions are critical here as well as the capability to produce enriched uranium, because the two keys to building nuclear weapons are the intention to build them and the ability to produce highly enriched uranium. The rest of the bomb is relatively simple 1940s technology. Iran is moving ahead as fast as possible on uranium enrichment, while trying to fool idiotic Western liberals into thinking Iran will not ultimately build nuclear weapons. Iran is just patiently waiting and taking advantage of the moronic Western news media to spread a false signal that they’re not going to build nukes. The foolishness of people on this board just amazes me. You cannot possibly underestimate how serious a threat a nuclear-armed Iran is to America and the West. We know a great deal about Iran’s intentions which has not been revealed in this NIE, because the sources have to be protected. Also, did it ever occur to you foolish liberals that the statement that intelligence on Iraq was wrong is an exaggeration intended to stop insurgents form looking for chemical weapons and using them on our troops? You’re going to have to move beyond high school thinking to understand what’s happening in the Middle East. God Bless W and Cheney for defending the US against all threats and the foolish liberals, such as the idiotic and childish Howard Dean.
Posted by: Jim W | December 5, 2007, 12:30 am 12:30 am
By the way all the insecurity of a potential attack on Iran, drove oil prices way up to almost a $100 a barrel, sure did help the Bush families buddies in the oil business make a tidy little profit.
Posted by: crp | December 5, 2007, 3:13 am 3:13 am
Why is everyone believing this report, when the same folks reported that Iraq had WMD’s. This is one time I hope that the Congress has some investigations as to the REAL validity. Noting that it was 2003, was Iran an worried because we envaded Iraq to stop with theirs, after Libia gave up their program. The MSM is running with this, but should be doing some serious fact checking.
Posted by: homjett | December 5, 2007, 9:45 am 9:45 am
Heres what the co-author was testifying before congress in JULY………..
Consider that on July 11, 2007, roughly four or so months prior to the most recent NIE’s publication, Deputy Director of Analysis Thomas Fingar gave the following testimony before the House Armed Services Committee (emphasis added):
Iran and North Korea are the states of most concern to us. The United States’ concerns about Iran are shared by many nations, including many of Iran’s neighbors. Iran is continuing to pursue uranium enrichment and has shown more interest in protracting negotiations and working to delay and diminish the impact of UNSC sanctions than in reaching an acceptable diplomatic solution. We assess that Tehran is determined to develop nuclear weapons–despite its international obligations and international pressure. This is a grave concern to the other countries in the region whose security would be threatened should Iran acquire nuclear weapons.
Posted by: whatthe? | December 5, 2007, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm
Did they stop their program after the Iraq invasion? Why did they not want WMD’s
Posted by: sean | December 5, 2007, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm
Hmmm. The hardest part, by FAR, of making a nuclear weapon is getting enriched uranium.
Let’s just put everything on hold until we can make enriched uranium, then we can build as many as we want . . . .
(Personal Estimate of Extremist Thought Patterns)
Posted by: Im_thinking | December 5, 2007, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm
you idiot liberals completely lack the ability to think independently. You’ll believe anything and everything that is shopped to your living room through your t.v. I dont have all the answers….but one thing is obvious. I’m not that stupid to believe that we’ve gotten report after report since 2005 that Iran is working towards building nuclear weapons, and now all of a sudden this is all wrong. Forget all the reports. This madman openly says what he intends to do.”Israel is a cancer on the map and I would gladly sacrifice half the population of iran in an attempt to destroy the jews.” Dont forget this gem…” America the great satan will be next”
Posted by: K.D. | December 5, 2007, 10:31 pm 10:31 pm
This is a political chess game. Intentional misinformation used to achieve a desired outcome. I’m not sure what that outcome is.
Posted by: K.D. | December 5, 2007, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm
why nuclear bomb
please safe life america love poeple and state 50 keep you bush life safe ok…..
leave alone iran
danger!!!
again not if america people die not keep life said
understand ok…..
Posted by: andrew | December 6, 2007, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
this goes out to the whistleb4dawn about Iraq. Had the First Gulf War not been deployed, the 2 EMIS plants in Iraq would have produced 30KG of HEU annually. If you do your homework you would have known that “Little Boy” in Hiroshima was only filled with 8KG. Lets put the Iraq argument to rest now fella!! Proliferation of Weapons = Intention + Capability. Both Iraq and Iran possess, or could easily possess both!
Posted by: Vince McLeod IV | December 6, 2007, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
It seems some people in here have more info about Iran’s Nukes than those 16 US intel. agencies who made NIE report after
months/years. Iran is the member of NPT and is inspected periodically by IAEA contrary of Israel with 200 nuke where didn’t
accept NPT yet. I think the West media and broadcasting, where more than 90 percent of them depend to Zionist, be successful to
wash the brains of West citizens. I have Studied about Iran and most of those said in West media about Iran are fictitious and
unreal. The Iranian are cultural people with 7000 years civilization. The recent IAEA report showed the trustfulness of Iran programs.
Posted by: Hossein | February 24, 2008, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm