At Dems Dinner, Clinton’s Performance is Lackluster while Obama Remains Strong
ABC News’ Eloise Harper and Sunlen Miller Report: Senator Clinton just took the stage in a large auditorium for the 100 Club Dinner in the Hampshire Dome in Milford, NH. Clinton launched a new slogan with a sign that just says READY. The change message that Clinton has been driving hard was tampered down in this speech – and instead Clinton focused on being "ready to make the changes that America deserves," and on a "new beginning."
Clinton was serious and was clearly trying to drive her message of seriousness and strength. Some boo’s were audible from the crowd at times during her speech from Obama supporters and people were chanting "O-BAMA." Three thousand people packed the auditorium and it seems like there are many more Obama supporters than Clinton supporters.
It was not Clinton’s best performance.
Clinton went after Senator Obama’s healthcare plan (not by name) saying "there are some who say we can’t cover everyone its too politically ambitious its controversial – they offer instead virtual healthcare – well I believe we have to cover everyone and I am not going to leave anyone out."
Clinton exited the stage with President Clinton and Chelsea Clinton.
In a stark contrast, Barack Obama took the stage immediately after Senator Clinton this evening at the 100 Club Dinner.
In the brief moment between the two candidates speeches, a couple hundred Obama supporters left their seats throughout the venue and flooded toward the stage, leading a massive impromptu pep rally, shouting "Obama, Fire it up, Ready to go!"
An event staffer had to announce over the PA system,"For safety concerns please take your seats."
Obama took the stage to the loudest applause and cheers of any of the candidates, as supporters waved signature "O" placards, and delivered a strong speech, albeight through a still hoarse voice.
Obama stuck to his stump speech, but used the momentum from his Iowa win to make the case for winning New Hampshire, saying that hope is, "believing in things not seen, believing in brighter days ahead, that is what is possible in four days time. That is the challenge before you, New Hampshire. I am absolutely convinced that if you believe, we can not be stopped."
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we are better to go for hillary because she want change and exp.. to she and the politic for over 30 year she know better
you want a name obama for president plus he has a big mouth and know nothing yet his and the white house for 2 year only
Posted by: magella | January 5, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am
If you don’t like a candiate, you should come up w/ a better argument than making personal attacks. The voters took a look at Hillary in Iowa and decided they did not like her. They make come to a different conclusion in N.H. but it seems to me that people are just tired of the same old attacks and games that she plays.
Posted by: Midwest | January 5, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am
If you don’t like a candiate, you should come up w/ a better argument than making personal attacks. The voters took a look at Hillary in Iowa and decided they did not like her. They make come to a different conclusion in N.H. but it seems to me that people are just tired of the same old attacks and games that she plays.
Posted by: Midwest | January 5, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am
Its time for change, Hillary doesnt represent change but a dynasty. ‘Yesterday’ it was Bush and his son, now its Bill Clinton and his wife, what new ideas will she bring except recycling her husband’s policies which is what her experience represents! Washington needs a new face, new administration, new order and a new way of doing things.
Posted by: Dr Biggy | January 5, 2008, 10:19 am 10:19 am
Iowa voters never nomineted a candidate who can win the white house.
Posted by: northeast | January 5, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am
Change is the issue. All candidates seem to want it. But it can only be achieved if Republicans and Democrats can come together and pass the legislation needed. The Clinton’s are polarizing figures, just like the Bush’s. Ask yourself this question — Do you really think Hillary Clinton can bring the two parties together. I don’t think she can, which means she will not be able to create change. Experience (although I also question her level of experience) is not enough. What we need is someone who can build a consensus and I truly believe that Obama is the only candidate on both sides of the aisle that can achieve the unity required for change.
Posted by: Robert | January 5, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am
I agree that the Iowa caucus is more about flushing out candidates that are not viable than picking the next President of the United States. However, they have been successful in picking the eventual party nominee (John Kerry, Al Gore, Walter Mondale, Bob Dole, and Jimmy Carter) and they have been successful in picking the president in recent years (George W. Bush). So I wouldn’t take it so lightly. I think the more striking take away is not Obama winning, but Hillary finishing third. She is not a consensus builder. Republicans do not like her. She will not be able to unite the parties, which will result in another stagnant government. That’s why Obama is the Change Candidate.
Posted by: Robert | January 5, 2008, 10:30 am 10:30 am
I beg your pardon Robert, I do remember comments from Republicans, including Newt, that they enjoyed working on projects with Clinton using such words as “Intelligent”, “hard working”, “Open minded” and “considered both sides”. With the mess the next President has to clean up, I believe she is the one that can do it best. She is a lot more than a cheerleader.
Posted by: Southeast | January 5, 2008, 10:44 am 10:44 am
The news coverage of the campaign in this country is shameful! When you have no job, no health insurance and no prospects are you really concerned with a candidate’s, PEFORMANCE? That, in itself, suggests something other than, shall we say, sincerity. Yes, Joe / Mary Blow, the candidate, must SHOW how much he cares about the plight of the middle class in this country – even though, in reality, he / she does not give a #### about the people he / she is pretending to care about! One of the these old days soon, the news media, the government, the lobbysists… are going to be in for a real surprise and THAT DAY IS COMING!
Posted by: Allan J Krueger | January 5, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am
The fact is in this that we need someone in the White House who isn’t can not only change Washington politics but someone who will be respected around the world. It’s time for us to repair our image with a president who is wiling to respect other heads of states and speak the them directly rather than sending “envoys”. It’s time for change. I admit that I was skeptical about whether Obama could win the party nomination but Iowa has made me a believer.
Posted by: Catherine | January 5, 2008, 11:02 am 11:02 am
I can’t believe all the comments. I also can’t believe how nieve so many democrates are. Obama got a “free ride”. Why has no one questioned the fact that he opposed the war … yes….but was in a State senate where he represented an extremely progressive and liberal district who would totally was against the war. Nothing brave about his opposition. He critized Clinton for her vote concerning the Iranian military but he DIDN’T EVEN VOTE. What’s that about. It’s about him making vague excuses when he didn’t have the courage to cast vote. If it is so important that he has brought it up in debates over and over “why wasn’t he there to vote and let the American people know his position”? The fact is that he opposed the war when it was easy for him to do so and he was absent form voting when he could have shown the people where he stood when he actually is a U.S. Senator. But ….. he didn’t have the courage to do that. He has gotten such a free ride and there is NO DOUBT that his insurance plan DOES leave out 15 million …. as Edwards campaign only now is pointing out. To go for CHANGE instead of EXPERIENCE at this point in the history of our country is rediculous. Is that the person you’d put your money with if you were investing?????? The new broker on the block or the one who has a track record of success? It’s not necessary to get personal …. but it is necessary to look at the record and see who has been most successful in getting things done. Go ahead and look …. or are you afraid to do that?
Posted by: Dolores Miele | January 5, 2008, 11:19 am 11:19 am
If Obama supporters were allowed to boo her while she was speaking and his campaign did not immediately step in to stop them, isn’t that reason enough not to vote for the man. Chances are his campaign even orchestrated it. Not worthy of an American president.
Posted by: s.b. | January 5, 2008, 11:31 am 11:31 am
Robert Iowa has only picked the nominee four times and never picked anyone for the Dems who went on to win the presidency. Jimmy Carter was not picked by Iowa the year he took the white house. He lost to undecided.
Posted by: s.b. | January 5, 2008, 11:33 am 11:33 am
Sorry after reading the article again it seems quite clear that the Obama supporters were orchestrated and marshalled to do their little display. This will not be lost on experienced democrats and the booing will not impress.
Posted by: s.b. | January 5, 2008, 11:35 am 11:35 am
Clinton, in her speech immediately following her crushing defeat in Iowa, confirmed my suspicions that she’s an arrogant fool. She didn’t graciously acknowledge the winner, she just kept right on talking down to the little people, as she always does. This morning, she decided to unjustly criticize the military yet again, stating that she requested plans for a US withdrawal from generals, and did not receive much of an answer. For having been in government as long as she has, she knows full well that generals only answer to the President, their commander in chief. It’s called a chain of command, and she knew this full well. Mrs. clinton needs to stop being a deceitful liar and should retire altogether from politics. Her mileading statements about the generals today open her to lawsuit liabilities for slander, and given the clintons are already in legal hot water, this could add another round of misery. If I were one of the generals in question, I’d be sending someone to serve her right this minute.
Posted by: Alessandro | January 5, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am
It never seizes to amaze me how people will try and pick on the most mundane of issues like the ‘booing’ issue to try and attack a candidate! I do not honestly see how a candidate can prevent over-excited supporters from performing such spontaneous acts, and besides I do believe that the offending individuals were requested to desist from such acts and they did so. i do think that there are a lot of important pressing issues pertaining to the 08 race and people would best be served if we were to channel our energies debating these!
Posted by: JAY | January 5, 2008, 11:52 am 11:52 am
Sorry Southeast, but no one can convince me that Hillary is a consensus builder. The Clinton’s are polarizing figures in our political landscape. Change can only happen if a consensus builder is elected. I think Obama is that guy, but the other candidates may be able to a fine job as well. All of them except one — Hillary Clinton. How anyone can think otherwise hasn’t been watching the last fifteen years (or maybe its just wishful thinking). I come from New York. Hillary has been a good senator and I believe she is more than just a cheerleader, but I would not call her a consensus builder. Maybe it has more to do with her last name, than her own character. Either way, Republicans will not get on board with her. There may be some exceptions (you will always find an exception) but the rule will result in a stalemate.
Posted by: Robert | January 5, 2008, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm
My mistake on Carter regarding the Iowa Caucus, but I only wanted to point out that the results should not be entirely dismissed. I’m sure if Hillary had won, they would be trumpeting the results. In fact, I’m positive that Hillary supporters would not be pointing out the failures of Iowa if their candidate had won. As I mentioned, I think Iowa tends to flush out less viable candidates rather than predict the next president. But they did pick our current President and they have shown more success in at least getting the nominee right.
Posted by: Robert | January 5, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
Who in their right mind wants Clinton? How can any of you Clinton supporters really thing that she is in our best interest? Think about it — Bush, then Clinton, then Bush, then Clinton. Who comes after Hillary, Jeb? Please make it stop!!! Vote for anyone else….as long as their name doesn’t end with Clinton or Bush.
Posted by: Jones | January 5, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
My husband and I are neither Clinton nor Obama supporters (John Edwards is our candidate), but both of us are appalled to read of Obama supporters’ behavior during Clinton’s speech.
It says something VERY negative about Obama’s character that he didn’t publicly and forcefully condemn such behavior, either at the beginning of his own speech immediately after Clinton’s — or even while the chanting and booing was going on.
Both Clinton AND Obama are Democrats, for pity’s sake — save the negative behavior for real enemies!
Posted by: Sue in Kentucky | January 5, 2008, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
Hey, I got an idea. Let’s create some change in Washington. Let’s vote for Hillary. What a fabulous idea! Let’s create change by voting for the same couple that occupied the White House in the nineties. Now that’s real change. Clinton supports have got to be nuts if they think she is the change candidate. And by the way, I wouldn’t call her to most experienced candidate either. You want experience – then Vote for McCain.
Posted by: Jones | January 5, 2008, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
you are automatically deemed irrelevant if you can equate the bush family with the Clinton familiy
Posted by: chris | January 5, 2008, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm
What ‘specifically’ does Obama mean by change. He’s all rhetoric, a toastmaster debater. What is he going to do-I haven’t heard much in the way of anything other than ‘we need to change’.
Independents will swing to the Republican candidate if Hillary and Obama are the best the Dems can put up.
Posted by: Jeff | January 5, 2008, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm
Hillrey is the ONE for all inteligint voters. I mean, cum on she is the smartest of them all, by very far. Her polisy solutions are best, way better then Barracks’. USA needs CLINTON! VOTE HILLREY!
Posted by: Tony | January 5, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm
You can’t have change without a Congress that’s willing to make the hard decisions. Bush would not have been able to do the damage he’s done without the complicity of Congress. Congress loves the attention paid on the executive branch–it let’s them off the hook in the minds of Americans. The Democratic majority in Congress is razor thin and apart from controlling the agenda, they can’t accomplish zip without the support of a majority of Republicans. Kick the bums out of Congress, then we’ll get somewhere.
Posted by: April Campbell | January 5, 2008, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm
I haven’t decided yet, and I like both Hillary and Obama. I was very disappointed, though, that the Obama supporters were encouraged to be disrespectful and unruly. And then when Obama came out to speak to the crowd, he just stoked their disruptiveness. It casts doubt on his claims to be the candidate for unification and hope if he’s encouraging people to be rude.
Posted by: Undecided | January 5, 2008, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm
american people’s interest is to win obama on the other hand the lobby’s interest is to win Ms Clinton or John Edword
Posted by: Steve | January 5, 2008, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm
i became a obama supporter after hearing him in a speech after all he is a eloquent speaker. i logged on to his campaign website and read the “issues” section to see where he stood on certain issues (can’t list them all). on civil rights: “leads against discriminatory bariers to voting” – what barriers? service: “after graduating from law school..he helped register 150000 africanamericans voters in chicago” he did that because of all the discriminatory voting barriers? if your leaning towards obama – 1st find out what he really stands for.
Posted by: paul | January 5, 2008, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm
Those that think of change for the sake of change will be sadly taken care of by Hillary. Be careful what you ask for in wanting the old Clinton dynasty to be reincarnated and in charge.
Posted by: Bill | January 5, 2008, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm
Mr. Obama, someone who we don’t know, is selling us HOPE, while he is asking us” believing on what we haven’t seen”. And still many out there buy him.
Hillary might not be the perfect solution, but Obama can’t be (much less) neither.
The truth of the matter is Hillary is way more predictable, tangible. Obama is still a closed door that doesnt let us know (FOR A FACT) what’s inside.
I’m not necesarily a Clinto’s fanatic. But I see her much closer to the White House.
Posted by: Antonio | January 5, 2008, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
Jeff, I hate to burst your bubble, but a very large number of former Republicans in Iowa, registered as Democrats, just so they could vote for Obama. They were smart in knowing Hillary wasn’t the correct candidate for change and they’re very tired of the Bush regime.
Posted by: steve | January 5, 2008, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
I am from Iowa, I don’t like the caucus process, they are usually rigged. We now live in Illinois. The state where Obama comes from. He lives in Chicago, the worst city in the U.S. for crime. He talks, talks, talks, but just like when he was in office here in Illinois, he never did much if anything noteable, he hooked up with Emil Jones and then the fun started. Oprah is the one who had Obama on her show and told America that he would make a good President. Well, he will, if you want someone who will talk, never do anything, but talk, be in the pocket of big corporations with payola money, He is the co-authour of the “Dream Act” (the bill to allow children who are really adults when they go to college) to get loans which will pretty much be free to attend college just by virtue of being the child of an illegal alien. He is for allowing all the illegal aliens to have amnesty. Go to the Internet and see how he voted on various Senate bills, this will tell you how he works the system. Oprah will probably be made ambassador of England, France, or some other country of her chosing. Chicago is such a corrupt city, it would make Rudy look like a angel. The tollways in Chicago have been sold to a foreign coumpany, does that look like Obama really cares about what happens to America when he allows our country to be sold, traded, or given to foreign countries. He is not the only elected offical to allow this. Obama lives in a million dollar house, do yo think he has to worry about making the mortgage payment like you do? We have written him along with other candidates to free Compean and Ramos, they wrote back that they were found guility, I wrote back they were rail-roaded by Johnny Cochran.We don’t care if the President is white, black, purple, male of female. We want and demand a President of the United States who uphold the Constituation of the United States of America. We want a President who will do away with the lobbist and PAC’s. We want an honest person who will work for America. We want a person who will close the doors and build a fence on our southern borders. We want a President who will uphold laws to deport all illegal aliens.
Posted by: Jo T | January 5, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
yeah sure try to blame the candidate, when obama and edwards were booed at the debate, did hillary do anything to stop them?? No she didnt, when the tables turn she cries foul!! obama and edwards did not cry out, they stood and took it like men, hillary goes home crying to bill, folks we need a better person for president, she is weak and besides we have had enough of the bush-clinton-bush monarchy, this is a democracy and so far its working lets encourage the momentum and take our govt back from people like hrc who think, the presidency is her birth right!
Posted by: jacobs | January 5, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
Have none of you people seen the list of “dead people” connected with the Clinton dynasty? They scare me more than Bush did. These people are “those who would be king/queen” and the country can not take the chance on electing someone who will do nothing but use the Bush ideas to establish their own form of control. If Hillary is the Democratic nominee, I will have to vote Rebublican, against my better judgment. Obama is the only salvation of the Democratic party that is really out to change the way “Government” is run and this is vital to the continuation of our chosen way of life.
Posted by: oldman5286 | January 5, 2008, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
This thread is reproachable.
In essence, we should deride all pioneers for a message of hope. Don’t worry about the issues but take stock on how supporters act. Heck, ignore the fact that we should keep our soldiers in an infinite meat grinder and only promote the working class and the poor to sacrifice their kids while investors in energy, weapons and defenses can enjoy a outstanding era of wealth.
I’m sorry but if you are undecided and your vote will only take into account how some supporters act with the current abysmal trend of our government, then please tell me how to get to this wonderland of ignorance. It certainly must be blissful!
Oh by the way, at least no other candidate was a sore loser and insulted the citizens of Iowa as did Hillary yesterday! (Sorry I meant Hillery for all you Clinton supporters that seem to not be able to spell).
Posted by: Rob | January 5, 2008, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm
Hillary Clinton would be a center-right Conservative in any Western European nation. Her military policy is to the right of Conservative leaders like France’s Sarkozy. Her positions on trade would put American trade policy to the right of Nixon or Reagan or Bush the Elder. She voted with Bush on the Iraq War. She is saber rattling for war with Iran.
Yes, she has her pet liberal domestic social positions. But her foreign policy is to the right of any other Democrat on Capitol Hill.
She simply doesn’t represent the Democratic Party. Of course she gets booed.
Posted by: ElodieStClair | January 5, 2008, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
Obama is just like Dubya…Lots of promises and thin air. I like to hope but hope does not feed my family. Hard work – hard facts provide us and feed us.
For Obama supporters to say Clinton years were as bad as Dubya – you all are misstating facts. We had the best economic growth at that time – I guess Obama did it from Chicago -as far as the shrill booing air heads are concerned.
I believe the Obama campaign is using it s workers to post on these boards. Just like big O coming out for him. Big O is another hack who supported the war and derided any one who questioned it in here program. I hope people catch on to Obama …I think he is a big fraud. Talk to people in his state. One over 50% does not mean (when only less than 30% percent of the voting population voting)
that Obama was believed in his state.
My feelings are he is as much a fraud as Dubya and I hate to see another 8 years of some one like Dubya (Who also preached hope for values in the WH).
People read the candiates policies – question them hard. Hope does not feed us!!!
Posted by: oh-barrack | January 5, 2008, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm
Hillary needs to realize that socialized health care along with virtually all socialist systems do not work, those systems always collapse under their own weight. China has realized this and adopted a more capitalist system and now their economy is almost unstoppable.
Posted by: Patriot2008 | January 5, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm
Clinton is deja vu. Why some one tell her that.
Posted by: A Lieu | January 5, 2008, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
It is important how supporters act when they are marshalled to do so. These were young people brought there by the Obama campaign told where to go, told to block the aisles told to boo Clinton and told to create a false standing ovation by crouching in various places then standing when he was finished. It is theatre, well orchestrated, it however in my opinion and anyone experinced in campaigns who was there does not look bad on Clinton but on the Obama campaign. Certainly reporting a manufactured standing ovation is highly questionable as political analysis.
Posted by: s.b. | January 5, 2008, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm
Dems booing Hillary is like a bunch of hamsters or gerbils eating their own. Hillary was going to give them all those promises – now what?
Posted by: Bill | January 5, 2008, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm
Where has everyone been? Bill and Hillary are as vile as any politican can be. They will stop an nothing to have the power they live for. They would sell their soul for power. I agree with Jacobs. There is a trail of blood all the way from Arkansas to Pennsylvania Ave. They both are nothing
but SOCIALIST. Their positions and statements change with the polls. They say whatever they think people want to
hear. Just do some research. Listen to what people who have been around them and worked with say. There’s plenty to read if you want the truth. If not, just put another ego maniac in the White House and we will all pay the price.
Posted by: Ron | January 5, 2008, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm
by the way, chances are these young people aren’t even from New Hampshire, but have been brought in from elsewhere and may even be paid organizers. Disingenuous to say the least, but the booing is reprehensible and should not have been allowed.
Posted by: s.b. | January 5, 2008, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm
I do not care about dynasties if it will work for me. I would have supported the Kennedys in the 60′s and would have possibly voted JFK Jr if he was around. I voted for GWB Jr in 2000, even though I did not vote for his dad. This was my worst mistake. I would have supported a Reagan dynasty if there was one. Bill Clinton worked for me both times in the 90′s and if his wife will do 90 percent of his policies I WOULD LOVE IT. All I care is that it works for me. Think with your head and not with your heart and vote Hillary over Obama.
Posted by: VPNNathan | January 5, 2008, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm
Since when is Hillary Clinton an “agent of change”? If this were 1992, then yes — she could feasibly argue that she is the change candidate. The problem? HER HUSBAND was THE candidate in 1992, and he is too old now to be viewed as a new face. She isn’t a lot younger, and so she isn’t viable.
Barack IS an agent of change. I hate to say it, because I don’t believe that youth is always positive. There is an aspect of experience that matters, but let’s face it — after eight years of “aw, shucks” politics, I’m ready for anything OTHER than tripping over one’s own tongue every other word.
- SJ
Posted by: SJ | January 5, 2008, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm
If Hillary’s new slogan is “Ready,” then Obama’s slogan is “EverReady” like the battery – full of energy.
Posted by: Bruce Hermann | January 5, 2008, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm
Read Mayhill Fowler on the Huffington report how Obama and Edwards people worked together to make sure Hillary came in third.Just read it.
Posted by: roncraw | January 5, 2008, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm
This report makes for a good fictional narrative, but it’s factually inaccurate. Richardson was on before Obama, not Hillary. Domn’t let truth get in the way of your “reporting”, though.
Posted by: Sharon Campbell | January 5, 2008, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
Have voters lost their minds? I like Obama’s passion but can that translate into a presidency where the major problems of this country get addressed? I doubt it. Some day he will be ready … but that time is not now. The last inexperienced president screwed it up badly (and we are living with him as we speak!). Hillary has the toughness and the plan to get the job done. This isn’t a popularity contest … this is about getting a president who will lead and deliver results. I laugh that we all of a sudden put any stock in a bunch of farmers in Iowa with their goofy caucus process. Smarten up America before it’s too late or we’ll get stuck with another bible thumping, clueless president!
Posted by: Kgh | January 5, 2008, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm
Please tell ABC to change the title on the main page. “Obama Cheered, Clinton Booed at Forum” – this is grossly misleading. You may not think you have to have any journalistic integrity it a blog, but they put their title on the main page as a main “news” headline. Obviously, Clinton was cheered also, and I’m sure someone booed Obama as well. If you mean that “more people booed Clinton than Obama, then say so and give the evidence. I a actually prefer Obama myself, but I can still get angry at irresponsible journalism.
Posted by: jock59801 | January 5, 2008, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm
hope is the American way and so is obama, this country is losing serious ground in the world, our dollar is going to the dumps, oil is ridiculously high, this country is not working for the people anymore, because corporate interest/greed has taken over the, American peoples interest in govt, i want the govt to work for every American and reduce the power of special interests and lobbyist groups obama is your man real agent of change and hope, the old washington way is simply not gonna cut it anymore, we need to revamp and renew our govt, with someone with little or no ties to this old corrupt govt,choose obama08!
Posted by: jacobs | January 5, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm
It will be a sad day for Americans If Obama ever wins the presidency! I don’t believe he can do the job.
Posted by: KS | January 5, 2008, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm
In retrospect, the Clinton years were good. No wars. A strong economy. And America was widely respected. But the Clinton’s had their time in the White House, and unfortunately, Bill strayed. That left a bad taste in the mouths, even of people who suppport him.
Furthermore, Hillary claims that she is a known quantity. That’s not such a great thing. Known, yes, but liked, no. And she will have a near impossible time swaying any new supporters. People have made of their minds about her,
On the other hand, Obama is fresh, bright, articluate. For the first time in a long time, there is hope on the horizon.
Let’s pray he wins. And pray he delivers.
Posted by: George | January 5, 2008, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm
If people want change why Clinton. She has been in the WhiteHouse long enough to do the change but did not.
Posted by: Ambrose | January 5, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
You guys simply have lost all objectivity. The article seems to have been written by an Obama staffer! The Obama bandwagon is full now because all of the press has piled on. I was an early rider on the bandwagon too, but became objective as the campaign has worn on.
I started out very fired up about Obama, his 2004 speech at the Democratic Convention still in my memory. New, fresh, unattached to washington, he could be “our Kennedy”. Gradually though, that excitement has faded. He has slowly erased his former way of speaking, easing in an affected southern accent as he tries to channel the speech giving style of Dr. Martin Luther King. The final result of this effort was unveiled thursday evening after finishing first in Iowa. It would be great if he had not trumpeted honesty and trueness as his campaign theme early on. Speech after speech, interview after interview, we are preached at by Mr Obama and his wife. I want someone who stands for something, be true to themself, and be equipped to deal with the world and its dangers and surprises. That, the crisis, whatever it is, and it will occur, cannot be dealt with by consultants and imagemakers. Who does he have around him to advise, who is tested and ready to keep a level head when the hawks push him to bomb? He already said, off the cuff, that nukes are an option for us to keep on the table in the middle east. Now he takes it for granted that we will vote for him. He groups the 90′s in with the George W. Bush years and says we should turn the page. My memory tells me, and I know many who agree, the 1990′s were very good years to live in America. Only since Bush has all fallen apart. Fuel costs alone have caused me to give up all but eating, rent, and utilities. Idealism is great, but we need someone who can, by will, grit, determination, and yes even some ego, fix things!
I have considered all, and now I am comfortable in knowing that I will vote tuesday for Hillary Clinton. For the future of our young woman, I want this most capable woman elected President, I want her elected because she has an iron will to make her agenda successful. A knock on her by Mr. Obama is that she is part of a broken system, and if she was for change, then she’d have already changed it. To get anything done, she must work within the system, the republicans buck any change attempted, so to avoid gridlock, compromise must be made. Elect her though, and watch the change happen. To meet her, or see her up close is to realize that she is ready now to lead. She is so good when questiones are put to her. She is so complete in her knowledge of issues and world affairs. Most importantly though, she will be the best at dealing with world and national crisis. Something will happen, it always does, and I am most secure with giving my vote to her so she’ll be the one to manage our response to it. If somehow Obama gets the nomination, I’d probably have to vote republican ( unless it is that Bush clone, Romney) I’ve never voted republican, but national security wins out over domestic issues, so if Hillary is not the democratic nominee next November, the vote has to go to someone like McCain. This choice would certainly bring about a horror of domestic problems. Desperate women forced to turn to coat hangers once the GOP Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade. Nominate Clinton though, and a choice like this does not have to be made.
Posted by: patrice ceeley | January 5, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
WHAT IS CHANGE? Is it a totally new direction in policy, something that has never been tried before? Or could it be something that worked for all of us in the past, such as the economic and foreign policies of Bill Clinton. How many of us wish that we can have another Bill Clinton presidency, bringing back the glory days of a Clinton presidency. The reality is that even Obama is running on Clinton agenda. If we elect a first woman or a black as a president that would be change as well. What I want to emphasize here is that change is not trying out something new, but, it could be bringing back something that worked for all of us in the past such as the Bill Clinton era. THAT IS TRIED, TESTED AND PROVEN. In truth that is what republicans fear. Hillary is the best positioned to bring that era back. Her husband will be her most trusted confidante and advisor. A Hillary Clinton presidency will have 90 percent similarity to a Bill Clinton presidency. That is what America wants. Hillary will bring about the changes that we want. A change in our foreign policy, so that the next time I visit Europe, I will have more fiends, a universal health care (she has tried it and has the most experience on this subject, and she is the expert bar none), fair taxes and a better economy and balanced budget. That is what all of us want.
Posted by: VPNNathan | January 5, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
I cannot wait for Debate tonight on ABC which stands for ANYONE BUT CLINTON.
GO OBAMA GO.
Posted by: Easy | January 5, 2008, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm
The greatest gift the Democrats can give to the Republicans is nominating Hillary. The country will not come together to vote her into office, she is too polarizing. With the possibility of two supreme court justice positions being filled by the next president, we as a nation need to look at the bigger picture. Our constitutional rights are at risk. We need someone to bring us together not tear us apart. Hope is something worth taking a chance on, more of the same is clearly not working. Obama in 08!
Posted by: Robin | January 5, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
Hillary is the only one ready to be President we do know her we do know what she has done we do know she will work for us she always has. We don’t know Obama we don’t know what he has done we don’t know who he will be working for but himself thats who he has been working for so far. Just take the time and know who you are voting for. I am sad about the way the Obama people acted at the 100 dinner in NH. It made me sick and I will not vote for Obama.
Posted by: Boatsan | January 5, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm
I might be the only one on this thread to have actually attended the 100 Club dinner last night,(as an undecided), and I would expect ABC News to at least get the facts correct. Obama did not immediately follow Clinton, Bill Richardson appeared between them. Unfortunately both of the Clinton and Obama partisens paid no attention, and gave no respect to the other speakers.
I was however, very put off by what appeared to be an orchestrated move by the Obama camp to take over the arena.
His campaign’s behavior may have decided my vote.
Posted by: Bill | January 5, 2008, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
the greatest gift we can give our children and our soldiers is a 2nd Clinton Administration
Posted by: chris | January 5, 2008, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
Change is not always for the better … words are easy … change is not.
Posted by: Jackson | January 5, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm
I long for the days when I looked forward to listening to our nation’s president and his advisors. During the 1960′s, the Kennedys and Martin Luther King knew what the people wanted. Their speeches were eloquent and sincere.
For the past eight years I cringed every time Bush spoke. While I wanted to support a woman president in 2008, I could not bear to listen to Hillary either. Barack Obama, on the other hand, sets a tone that speaks to truth, principle, and equality. Thank you Iowa!
Posted by: Sarita | January 5, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm
If Hillary had all this experience she’s bragging about, Why would she support this war? she voted and gave Goerge Bush a blank check to go to war. I was watching a interview Sen.Obama, Who voted against this war His knowledge of the region was accurate in that this war would set of Civil un-rest,If Hillary has all this expericance, Why didn’t she have the insight that Sen Obama Had in 2002? Another Big Mistake Hillary made was when she and Sen Kennedy spoke at the rally for illegal immigrates,!!this rally outraged every American citizen in this country, If Hillary had all this experience Why would she support such ignorance? No Hillary is tooooo far to the left.
Posted by: Gihugh | January 5, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm
I think we’re being too hard on Hillary!
She will be the “change agent” if she is elected president!
After she gets through with us all we’ll have is change in our pockets!
Posted by: reaganfan | January 5, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm
ANYONE but Clinton?……it sounds like your most important goal is to see Clinton defeated….even to the detriment of the United States….
Posted by: chris | January 5, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm
As a woman I would love to see a woman president but that is not enough!! Please, do the responsible thing and choose the best person for the most important job in the world. I am convinced this person is Barack Obama.
Here is someone who is not only brilliant but caring, compassionate, and with the clearest judgement for important issues in decades. Can you just imagine him addressing a meeting of world leaders with his eloquence, intelligence, and amazing charisma? Don’t miss out,elect Obama and lets start changing the world!
Posted by: millie | January 5, 2008, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm
Let me see if I get this right. “I will not vote for Obama because his supporters booed Clinton.” That is about the dumbest thing I have heard in any kind of debate as to whom one will vote for as President of the US. To believe, also, that because Obama lives in a 1 million dollar home, as does Hillary, that he won’t make a good president is equally stupid. “He lives in Chicago, the worst city for crime.” What the hell has that got to do with the cost of tea in China? I don’t believe that he was the govenor, mayor, commissioner of Police or Chief of Police. The city’s crime problem, if it can be attributed to him can just as easily be attributed to you, JO T. After all, if I was going to be streching the way you are, I’d say that after you created all the problems of crime in Illinois, you decided to blame them on Obama as a sabotage tactic. Just like that doesn’t make any sense, neither does any of the things you throw at Obama. Doing the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result is called insanity.
Posted by: Slick | January 5, 2008, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm
Obama may talk a good game, but as a father, I can’t afford to have someone learn on the job…..my children deserve better, and they deserve to have the best candidate become the next President…..Senator Hillary Clinton
Posted by: chris | January 5, 2008, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm
If all these candidates that are claiming experience, were capable of capitalizing on that “experience”, why are we in the shape we are in now? The experience they have is in projecting the apearance of doing something while in fact doing nothing. Throw the bums out, elect someone new for a change, it can’t get any worse. Were broke, we have no friends and we are governed by the dimmest and dumbest. Congretional approval is nearing single digits and the president is well below 50%.
Posted by: Ben | January 5, 2008, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm
Wow. Emotions sure are high here. Let’s all relax a bit, ok? This blog was obviously meant to stir the pot. Any “news” that isn’t talking about numbers or policies should NOT be enough to completely sway any of you, or you’re as fragile as Karl Rove & Dick Cheney think we all are — just sheep!!
There are very sketchy details in this story, and to assume the Obama supporters’ boos were staged is quite a leap.
Personally, a lot of you are null, anyway, when you claim Obama has no specific accomplishments. Give yourself 10 or 15 minutes to visit his web site and check that out before making yourself look foolish. Not to mention his tenure as editor of the Harvard Law Review or as a highly respected professor of constitutional law.
Anyone saying Obama is just smoke & mirrors is nothing more than a cynic, and that way of thinking is never going to bring change. So, on primary day, please stay home.
OBAMA ’08!!!!!
Posted by: Obama supporter in NY | January 5, 2008, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm
It is funny to read that some of you place Hillary on the right of Nixon and Reagan and others call her a “socialist”… By the way, there is nothing socialist in her health plan which is unfortunate because the best health care systems in the world are socialized (e.g. France, Germany). I also find ridiculous this obsession for “change”. Of course, we all want change from the Bush white house but it does not mean we want any kind of change. I love Barack and I love Hillary but I know where she stands, I don’t know where he stands (except on health care and I prefer her plan which would really bring change)
Posted by: Steph | January 5, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
Obama cheered, Clinton booed at Dems dinner. But it was all done by Obama supporters. And they are for “hope and change”? Very disrepectful.
Posted by: ditto | January 5, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
electing Hillary Clinton President will reap immediate benefits in the international community, whose cooperation is absolutely required to fight a successful campaign against terrorists, thus alleviating the stress and sorrow that our soldiers and their families would otherwise have to endure…
Posted by: chris | January 5, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
Why did Karl Rove talk up Obama? Can anyone answer why? He wants you to vote Obama. They say that he is the best political startegist. After all he pulled wool over our eyes to get GWB elected a second time.
Posted by: VPNNathan | January 5, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
Please tell me which of the candidates has been president before? All of them will be brand new to the presidency on day one! You have to look at judgement. Hillary should have known better than to authorize a war with a country that was not a threat to the US. Then she did it again last fall!!! She signed the Iran bill that could have taken us to another unnecessary war. Come on, is this what you want for your children?
Posted by: millie | January 5, 2008, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
Richardson came on right after Clinton, not Obama. And the teenybopper high-schoolers that Obama had packed the crowd with were incredibly rude to him, trying to drown him out by chanting Obama’s name. They acted like they were at a rave or a football game. People, the next president is going to have to deal with NUCLEAR WEAPONS in an unstable world, and we want nice slogans about all getting along?
The arrogance and childishness of the Obama campaign grows and grows. If people let the presidency become an American Idol contest, they deserve what they get, IMO – an empty, pretty, charming sales
Posted by: MPinSC | January 5, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
This comparative contrast in message among Senator Obama, former Senator Edwards and Senator Clinton is not only revealing about the candidates but the selling and branding of the three candidates. Is this is what we come to expect of our political process; superficial, shiny, and salesmanship of political cheese? Too bad that Robert Altman is not around to direct their political movie. The Senators come off like Obama a Stereo Salesman, Edwards like a Insurance Salesman and Clinton like a Real Estate Saleswoman with just barely enough knowledge to sell their product. Caveat emptor Democrats.
Posted by: threeriverscrossing | January 5, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
“just stay home”……though I don’t reasonably believe he is the best candidate, I respect Senator Obama; thus, i will not attribute your bad form, demanding that those who do not agree with you not vote, to the influence of your candidate…..
Posted by: chris | January 5, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
what every parent should want for their children is a President who is the best prepared and best equipped person for the job…….any reasonable and sane person understands that the BEST person is Senator Hillary Clinton….a few other candidates may make decent Presidents someday, but right now, America deserves its best chance for a great future
Posted by: chris | January 5, 2008, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
Hillary’s healthcare plan has a huge flaw: the word mandaroty. This is possibly the most polarizing word you can bring to the table. Americans do not want and will not allow anything mandatory, ever! Obama’s plan is much more likely to pass because you can choose to keep your plan if you are happy whith it (you will then receive a 2,000 dollar a year discount), or you can have free health coverage if you can’t afford a plan. This is the most likely middle-of-the-road, non polarizing solution. Please read the details and you will agree with me.
Posted by: millie | January 5, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
What could be more of a change than putting an extremely intelligent, capable, and hard-working (according to Republicans Lindsey Graham, John McCain) woman in the White House?
What’s the problem with having another Clinton in the White House? Were you not better off then than now?
During President Clinton’s terms we were a nation of peace and prosperity.
I agree, the terms of Bush 41 and 43 were pretty awful times, but because the Bush terms were bad years for America doesn’t make an argument that another President Clinton would be bad.
There is no dynasty. We have three branches of government, a system of checks and balances. The President holds no more power than the other two branches of government, except maybe the bully pulpit and the veto pen.
Mr. Obama has great rhetoric, very lofty, and yet is advised by dozens and dozens of ex-Clinton administration people. If he is going to change Washington and it is going to be out with the old and in with the new, who is going to be the new?
Senator Clinton has many many colleagues supporting her because they see how hard-working she is and the over-whelming empathy she has for the common person. There are many Democrats in Washington who I admire – Senator Jim Webb, Senator Barbara Boxer, Joe Biden, Chris Dodd, Dennis Kucinich, and others. Would Obama have them go home and disregard their experience which has brought them wisdom and a larger vision of the world landscape? There is something to be said for experience, and if John Edwards can travel the land touting his years of experience in fighting for the middle class, after having been a 1-term Senator, then I believe that Senator Clinton can tout her lifetime of experience also, whether it be in or out of any political office.
I know Obama backers are rabid, but I would really really rather have someone who’s feet are planted firmly on the ground (Senator Clinton) than someone whose nose is usually in the air (Senator Obama). I just am not clear about what he has done. I know he was a community organizer, while in the State Senate he played poker with lobbyists, and then voted yes on measures they supported, and yes he was against the Iraq war FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, which I think he should just have emblazoned on his forehead so that we don’t have to keep hearing it over and over and over. He is quoted in numerous newspapers that he “doesn’t know how he would have voted” had he been in the US Senate at the time.
It is easy to talk, it is easy to give a lofty speech, and it is easy to make a decision based on emotion, so vote for someone who has never walked through any fire, doesn’t have a whole lot of support of his colleagues, whom he will have to work with, and really isn’t known for having done anything in his career except put his finger to the wind, vote present when necessary to maintain his political viability, and be plain old ambitious for power.
Senator Clinton, regardless of how your opinion has been formed by the MSM, has a very long resume’ of working to improve the education system in Arkansas, bringing health-care to millions of uninsured children, meeting world leaders, getting our war veterans the health-care they need when they come home from war, showing up for work and casting a vote no matter what the consequences, and taking a stand. Sometimes an unpopular one. Has Senator Obama ever taken an unpopular stand? He lost in a landslide to Bobby Rush in his first contest to get to Washington, and then, had no opponent when he finally did win his US Senate seat. It is my understanding that he has held no committee meetings for the committee he chairs, but does what is the minimum necessary to look good for a election. If ever there was a candidate who put his finger to the political winds to make his decisions on issues, it appears to be Senator Obama. Senator Clinton has been in the trenches, and some very deep ones at that, and she has picked herself up, found the strenth and resolve to go one every day in spite of those attacks. I would have quit a long time ago. I would have just cried and crawled away. She didn’t do that. She followed her star and did things that only a strong, durable human being could do. I don’t questions Senator Obama’s ability to do the same, but so far I have no basis to judge his performance after having done so. Do I want him in the White House when his first fire comes? I really don’t think so, but I am in the minority it seems.
If I have written something factually incorrect, I apologize, it is not my intention to mislead. I do know that when arriving in New Hampshire yesterday, Senator Obama stated “If I win New Hampshire, I will win the Presidency” and those were his exact words, I saw the clip on MSNBC and also read the quote on Yahoo news. Is that an air of inevitability? Let’s be fair now and tear him down for that as Senator Clinton was torn down and berated. There is a lot of misogyny out there, and that is disturbing.
Now – Obama supporters, have at me. Get out your claws…..I know it’s coming.
I am thinking that it would be a huge change to have a woman in the White House. We have always had men. Would a mixed-race man be any different than a white man? Now there’s a can of worms.
Best of luck to any of the Democratic candidates, and may they maintain a modicum of civility in these next few weeks, join hands, and defeat any Republican in 2008.
Posted by: Peggy Cantos | January 5, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
I wish I knew what Obama means by change. Until, he fully explains what change is, I will likely vote for Hillary.
Posted by: LL314USA | January 5, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
I wish I knew what Obama means by change. Until, he fully explains what change is, I will likely vote for Hillary.
Posted by: LL314USA | January 5, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
IT IS SO GOOD TO LIVE IN A DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY. VOTE FOR WHOM YOU PLEASE AND STOP BASHING! Each candidate has something positive to offer, otherwise they would not have made it this far. How far have you come to being the next President.
Posted by: JATIS | January 5, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
i notice how all the clinton supporters here write long posts, obama supporters are quick and short because we are out supporting our candidate, The world would think we have lost our mind to vote in hrc, so she can carry on the bush-clinton-bush-clinton dynasty? cmon folks we need a fresh face and new energy to revitalize America and finally the youth in America are choosing obama, its their future and they are taking over, all the older generation has given us is wars, deficits and insecurity, new direction is key, reaching across party lines and the world is key! obama is key!
Posted by: jacobs | January 5, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
There is nothing superficial about Obama. His message is clear and it is penatrating: Vote for me and do away with all the ethnic and social barriers. It’s time to revive more than equal opportunity in the U.S. It’s time to revive the equal society.
Clinton’s message is clear too: Put me in office and I will give you healthcare. Of course, we don’t know what that means. Maybe it means a deductible. Maybe it means three years of deadlock in Congress. Maybe it means better deals for Walmart employees. I’m not sure anymore.
So, I’m going to vote for the fair chance to be valued as a person over the off chance that my family may get health care when my 1 year old is 5.
Posted by: Peter Manda | January 5, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
I think what Obama means by CHANGE is:
To bring back integrity, respect and credibility to this COUNTRY.
Posted by: JATIS | January 5, 2008, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm
Who is Obama ? Where is he coming from ?
Do you know anything about him ?
If you can not answer the questions , why you believe him ?
Clinton is not a perfect candidate but she is the best of all .
Go with her and let she do the job .
Posted by: JAMES | January 5, 2008, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
to obama supporter in ny, i did spend 15 min reading “issues section” on his campaign website. here go’s. foreign policy: ” he will double our foreign assistance to 50 billion” – doesn’t say where the money is coming from (taxes -mine and your pocket) also states “i will end the war in iraq..i will fight against al qaeda” – which is it fight or end the war? also states “expand military increase ground forces by adding 65000 soldiers and 27000 marines” guess he’s keeping the war. i was supporting him after hearing a speech, but after reading this on his website i don’t know what he stands for.
Posted by: diane | January 5, 2008, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
On several posting, there is this idea that true change will come by being able to reach across the aisle and to have bipartisan agreement. It is also suggested that Barack would be better suited for this exercise. This is very naive to believe that the republicans will be open to negociating on health care, the environment, energy policy and others. Nothing will happen this way. We need a president who will stand against the republicans and be forceful and decisive. This is Hillary. At this point, her skin is thicker than a rhino and that’s what we need. In addition, can anybody see Mr. nice guy not beeing eaten alive by Putin or Sarkozy…please…..
Posted by: Steph | January 5, 2008, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
If Obama’s message is clear and penetrating: “Vote for me and do away with all the social and ethnic barriers” does that mean he is going to penetrate our minds and control them?
The mind is where the social and ethnic barriers live.
??????????
Posted by: Ron Drews | January 5, 2008, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
People do tend to forget the great economic growth that occurred during the “Clinton years.” Do I want change? Yes, of course. I want things changed back the way they were before “The Bush Years (pt.2)” I am all for eight more years of Clinton. Polarizing figure? So what! Overly ambitious? Big deal. Obama is a great man… no doubt… but I am with the Clinton’s philosophy that a candidate must be well tested and have strong well built policies before being elected President of the United States. The “Rock-Star” mentality of Obama supporters don’t impress me. It takes great ambition to cause “real change in America.” We need more than a changing of names (Clinton\Bush\Obama) in the White House.
Posted by: Austin | January 5, 2008, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
If Hillary wins, we have the Red State/Blue State divide for at least another 8 years and another 8 years of bitching and finger pointing in Washington. I am SO SICKED TO DEATH of both parties doing this. Both Democrats & Republicans are guilty of this and compromise in Washington has become synonymous with surrender.
We need a united country and people working together in Washington to solve problems. That is only going to start with a President willing to lead in that direction. For me, Obama is the clear choice.
Go Barack!!!
Posted by: Eddie | January 5, 2008, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
After almost two years of reading intently and researching all the information I could get my hands into, I feel like I know Barack Obama. You don’t need (or have) two years but I asure you, if you give this person a chance you’ll help bring about one of the best and most prosperous eight years in the history of our country!
Posted by: millie | January 5, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
actually it is easy to compare the accomplishments of both of them as all bills sponsored by a US senator is available on the US senate webpage. It is a fact that Barack’s record is less than distinguished. To be fair, Hillary has been in this game longer and probably know better how to draft legislation. and I raise my case…
Posted by: Steph | January 5, 2008, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm
Your key word is “probably”, isn’t this just as much a gamble as supporting the person that will bring a breath of fresh air (not to mention rationality, clear vision, and judgement) finally to the White House? Obama 08!
Posted by: millie | January 5, 2008, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm
WHAT ALL THIS CHANGE WHEN OBAMA HUSSEIN BARACK TAKES OFFICE? I HEAR ALL THESE CHANGES OBAMA BRINGING INTO THE U.S. GOVERNMENT, HE SPEAKS AND PROMISES WHAT ALL THE PREVIOUS AND PRESENT POLITICIANS ALWAY PROMISE US AMERICANS…THERE ARE NO NEW CHANGES COMING FROM OBAMA…IT’S JUST NEW POLITICS FROM A PEE WEE LEAGUE BALL PLAYER IS WHAT OSAMA HUSSEIN BARACK HAS….
Posted by: MARINE4EVER | January 5, 2008, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm
wow! everyone here is quite hostel toward these canidates i believe that the iowa thing is good but cannot be taken serious if we are all going to get in an uproar about people in iowa playing “red rover red rover” send us your aunt bea we need one more person to help our canidate.. the way the caucus are done in iowa are a joke peer pessure can sway someones vote if everyone is meeting in a high school gym and then if the person they want doesnt get enough people they switch too another person is a joke …sorry iowa no disrespect but your system is kind of 8th grade! please watch the debate over the next few days and see what happens in other states before the press hypes up the wrong person to run are country….i belive we need to change and we will have a dem in the white house, so thats change,obama not enough experience,sorry (dr king)obama you need another 5 to 6 yrs 1st this is not a on the job training course with the world at stake!!!!!..hillary yes lots of experience can she be her husband…one would hope so…if so she is the best canidate …i cant believe im saying this but theres nothing wrong with getting good advice from a guy who has been there!! right? edwards seem like he would be a good v.p. thats all im sure people will respond to this negatively! just my thoughts!!
Posted by: ted | January 5, 2008, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
to Millie
That’s exactly my problem, the “clear vision”. I just don’t see it. I have so much the feeling to listen to a preacher (and as an atheist it is quite painful) with very little content (and when I find out the content, I am not crazy about it). But don’t get me wrong, if he ends up being the winner of the primaries, I’ll be 100% behind him.
Posted by: Steph | January 5, 2008, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
There isn’t a candidate out there who can unify the Republicans and the Democrats. Every candidate can state that they are a “Unifier not a Divider,” but the fact remains that Democrats are democrats and Republicans are Republicans. I don’t foresee a Republicrat Party in the future. Every political-minded person has their own views and that’s what drives their personal beliefs. Point being – there will always be a “red state/blue state” divide and constant political finger pointing. Obama is no political realm savior. We need someone whose had the most experience fighting against political “finger pointing,” to help guide America in the right direction – and their last name is Clinton.
Posted by: Austin | January 5, 2008, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm
When it comes to the Clintons, JUST SAY NO!
Posted by: gedessman | January 5, 2008, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm
So if Hillary wins we will have another 8 (?) years of Red State/Blue State and finger-pointing?
I have a very difficult time believing that parties are going to disappear, that their platforms are going to meld and become one, and that only one party will rule after the election of Senator Obama, and that there will no longer be strong beliefs about taxes, spending, abortion, the war, etc.
I am looking forward to seeing this as a one-party country, all changing our values and deep-seated beliefs just like that. Isn’t that like, a Monarchy or something? Can’t wait for Senator Obama to be elected – Hey World – the memories and divisions of all Americans are going to be erased after November 2008 if Senator Obama gets elected.
Woo Hoo!!!!!!
Obama row the boat ashore, alleluia, Obama row, the boat ashore…………….
Posted by: Wills | January 5, 2008, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm
WANT A NEW PRESIDENT THAT BELIEVES IN THE CONSTITUTION? VOTE PAUL IN AND SEE THE NEW USA!!!
Posted by: patty | January 5, 2008, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm
All these comments about Obama and Clinton. If it is true that Karl Rove is helping Obama defeat Clinton, the that person would never ever have our vote. We wondered where Karl Rove was, we knew he was out doing his dirty work somewhere. Are you listening America? Obama may have the young people doing the campaigning for him but it is the older people like us who have voted and lived through all this hype, that know that’s all it is, hype…Talk doesn’t save America from being taken over by China, Mexico and the Arab nations. Talk won’t save your job when and if Obama becomes President and gives 20 million illegal aliens amnesty. Does anyone know who is bank-rolling this guy?
Posted by: Jo T | January 5, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
Political loyalty seems to discourage independent thought. It is a shame that American claims to be so progressive and yet cannot in the media accept the possibility of a person of color or a woman being president. I for one did not enjoy the Reagen years. I have hated the Bush years especially his personal effect on the way in which the world seems to view America. My family actively supports the military, police force,medical, and education systems here in the United States. I am a flag waving patriot. It is time for people to grow up and stop the negative attacts for sake of party loyalty. I will stand and cast my vote for Obama for the the restoration of hope and true change that he brings to the table. To the naysayers……”and you still believe in Bush, eh? Oh you are probably right, the war…..the gas prices……the economy (which was doing fine when he got it from Bill) is probably all “orchestrated too!…yeah that it.”
Obama is the new great communicator and he can take America forward.
Posted by: Thad | January 5, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm
Before talking (or wrintig) about SOCIALISM (and “socialized medicine”), you should know what that means… I don’t think the UK is socialist, but they have the NHS, most of the EU have health care paid by the government…
And I don’t believe Bill Clinton is a socialist.
However, I wouldn’t vote for Hillary (or Hillrey) in the primaries… but anything is better than a republican.
I don’t see why all the Democrats (in this thread) are fighting each other instead of fighting the real enemy (republicans). it was these fights what costed you the White House in 2004, one would have thought you’d learned…
Posted by: Héctor | January 5, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm
Hillary is for change all right. Every week her strategy changes based on polls. She is more interested in being the President and having the title next to her name than she is about truly being a servant to the people of this country. I just don’t believe a word that comes out of her mouth. My gut tells me Obama has a vision and conviction to make this country great. He may not have all the answers today and that’s okay. Anybody who thinks they have all the answers right now, aka Hillary, should be highly questioned. I think Obama has the ability to lead this country in a positive way for a long time.
Posted by: Drew | January 5, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
Come on folks…a dose of reality.
There will always be 2 parties and there will always be political bickering. We all know that.
BUT, the idea of working together and solving issues has been a rarity and political disagreements have turned personal and nasty. Years ago, parties argues just as much as they do now but at the end of the day, there were numerous friendships in the House & Senate chambers and so because of that, compromises were able to be made and important legislation passed.
This type of spirit is going extinct on Capitol Hill and those of us connected to Capitol Hill are growing increasingly concerned.
I believe Obama is the best hope to get that spirit of working together back. And we desperately need it.
Posted by: Eddie | January 5, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
Rob-is-Right:
You are entitled to your opinion and I respect it, but there isn’t any need to use the names you used. You are a wonderful example of why there will continue to be Red States and Blue States. You drip vitriol and will settle for nothing short of what you want.
Hey, reach across that aisle man!!!
Posted by: robocop | January 5, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
OBAMA! HAS DONE NOTHING HE RAN UNOPPOSSED AND WON THE SEAT! PEOPLE HE DOESNT EVEN SERVE ON A COMMITEE! PLEASE CHECK THE FACTS 1ST ! I CAN GET ON THE STAGE AND YELL CHANGE! NO CLINTON NO REPUBLICAN! HOW EASY WOULD THAT BE …LETS CHECK THE FACTS ON THIS GUY 1ST DONT GO FOR THE MOVIE-STAR HYPE!!!
OH! MAYBE YOUR ALL VOTING FOR HIM BECAUSE IT IS ONE OF OPRAHS FAVORITE THINGS!!!!!!!
Posted by: ted | January 5, 2008, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm
i wonder what traumatic event caused such delusions and hatred towards the Clintons….
Posted by: chris | January 5, 2008, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm
I think it is illogical to conclude that the behavior of cheering of booing supporters is a reflection of the character of the person in whom they are cheering for. Hilary lost this round and Obama supporters have something to cheer about. Also, Hilary’s jab at Obama’s message of hope is not going to help her win the nomination. She assumes that hope is: sitting back an letting things come to you. She is mistaken. Obama has hope and is taking action for what he believes is good for the country.That is Democrats and Republicans working to gether to make America better. NOT LEAVING IT THE SAME. It is time to replace all of the “status quo” politicians from office. Obamas actions and message have won him the Iowa Caucus. GO OBAMA!!!!
Posted by: zigfree | January 5, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
Well America, maybe it’s time that we have some inexperience (code name: new ideas) to run the White House. It seems like everyone that has had experience in the past years has made a mess of America – lost jobs and wrong war. I welcome change and someone that can bring our divided nation together. This isn’t a third world country that should be run by two families – Clintons and Bushes – this is America lets make her a proud nation once again.
Posted by: Bring back America | January 5, 2008, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
Steph: I am an atheist too! And so far, the candidate who has been most respectful of people of all religions and no religion is Barack. I truly believe he is the only one who would truly respect the separation of church and state!
Posted by: millie | January 5, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
LETS ALL VOTE FOR OBAMA!!!! HE IS ONE OF OPRAHS FAVORITE THINGS!!! GET REAL PEOPLE HE HAS NO EXPERIENCE HE LOST HIS 1ST TRY AT SENATOR BY A LANDSLIDE!!! THEN WON A SEAT WHEN HE WENT UNOPPOSED!!DOES HE SERVE ON A COMITTEE OR JUST LIKE MAKING SPEECHES TLK IS CHEAP!! ACTION! WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR THE PEOPLE IN YOUR STATE? NOTHING!! CHECK THE FACTS PEOPLE!! AND IM NOT SAYING VOTE FOR CLINTON OR EDWARDS JUST GET YOUR FACTS STRAGIHT BEFOE THE HYPE GETS US A WANT -TO- BE IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!!!! WITH NO EXPERIENCE
Posted by: TED | January 5, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
if you believe, we can not be stopped! Gobama!
Posted by: Tim | January 5, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
If Clinton were to win, we will have had 28 years of the same two families running things. Are we England? Royal Families?
She is doomed. Good Riddance to these super rich and shady families.
Posted by: Matt Potter | January 5, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
I don’t agree – I believe Clinton had very strong, if not stronger, than Obama supporters at the N. H. club party on 1/4. The only reason Obama won in Iowa was because the Republicans deliberately voted for him because they know they can take him out in the general election, but Hillary would beat them in the general election.
Posted by: Doreen, Buffalo Grove, IL | January 5, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm
OK – calm down everyone. It doesn’t matter who is elected. They / their party really will do very little to improve America. There is just too much self serving interest in politics. So forget politics – go do something with lasting value. Spend time with your kids, help your elderly neighbor, volunteer, and the list goes on, on, on…. I’m all for change in America. And deep in our hearts, we all know this is the only way it will realistically happen.
Posted by: SS | January 5, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm
Many people are still confused about the massive support for O-BOMBA from the young. Hey, dude, it’s simple – we want somebody that appreciates drugs as much as we do! He is the MOST LIKELY to legalize the weed, he is the MOST LIKELY to de-emphasize prosecution of drug use, he is the MOST LIKELY to allow “medical” use of marijuana, he is the MOST LIKELY to soften sentences for coke – his favorite refreshment – and he is the MOST LIKELY to abolish the DEA. He’s our kind of toker! VOTE YES FOR DRUGS!
Posted by: ALEX H. | January 5, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm
The plural of boo is boos, not boo’s. Editor, please?
Posted by: Carrie | January 5, 2008, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm
Hillery and Obama are both bad candidates. To their supporters, do your RESEARCH. Hate to dissappoint you, but with the exception of Kucinich, Paul and Grave, ALL the candidates take lobbyists money. Yes, Obama, Hitlery, Edwards etc. They are all lying to the american people. Have you noticed practically ALL the candidates also voted for all of these TRADE DEALS in which americans are losing their jobs. Nice huh??? Better
do your research. Most of the candidates
are SCUM. By the way, did you know that
the Clintons and Bush Crime family are
best friends??? Obama is even putting
in Clinton advisors in his cabinet. Do
you see anything wrong with this??????
My vote is for RON PAUL. He is trying to
tell the american public to wake up and
look how these candidates are SELLING OUT OUR COUNTRY!!!! This is real people.
WAKE THE HELL UP PEOPLE!!!!!!
Posted by: Meredith | January 5, 2008, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm
Lionred, what are you talking about? Barack has had a thousand opportunities to attack Clinton and he never has! She is the one who has not hesitated to attack him even on his kindergarten record! What primary elections are you following?
Posted by: millie | January 5, 2008, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm
I feel that America has completly ignored the best candidate. Richardson has the best foreign policy experience. As a governor he has taken on the tough issues of immigration and global warming. The press is only about Edwards, Clinton, and Obama. Is this because they raise the most money??? I am convinced that the media and big money pare down our choices before real Americans even get to know the other candidates. With that said, as Oregon’s primary isn’t until May I’m doubtful that I will even get to vote for my candidate. The best I can hope for is a Clinton/Richardson ticket.
I think Hillary is the second best choice. With the current economic/foreign policy mess I don’t think it is time to vote in another inexperienced president. Obama is inspiring, but I can’t bank on “change” for “change’s” sake…What does that really mean? I want an experienced, intelligent and a politically savy president. Vote for Richardson-or Clinton!!!
Posted by: Julie | January 5, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
I am disappointed that Obama allowed that kind of behavior from his staff. I agree with the others that it was orchestrated. This shows his lack of maturity and experience. He continues to talk in platitudes and hasn’t provided specifics about how he’ll bring about this change. For crying out loud, he’s only been in the Senate for two years, I doubt he fully understands how it works yet. I doubt his ability to be effective and negotiate the legislative process. I will support whoever our nominee is, but I worry that Obama cannot withstand a general election and the “vetting” of his lack of experience that will occur. The United States has never elected a democrat as liberal as he is. There is so much at stake in this election, Democrats HAVE to win the general election and take the White House.
Posted by: ArizonaDem | January 5, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
Hey – I live in England and am following the campaign closely as it has massive connotations around the world… Let me just tell you from my point of view – and the British in general, We want Obama.
Clinton is a non-entity who has no policies and just slings mud at others. Yes if Campaign Obama staged this move at the dinner then it was not good, but all Clinton has done is denounce Obama and contradict herself.
She is the change candidate with experience?! that’s strange as she seems to have changed nothing and stuck to the status quo.
She has also voted with Bush on key issues. Even if Illinois made it easy for him, Obama voted NO. HC had that option and she chose the opposite.
Why did she vote yes on war in iraq? Maybe because her friends and associates (possibly the people who fund her campaign – i don’t know?!?!) have interests in lining their pockets.
Clinton is just Dubya all over again – and trust me on this – 90% of the British public and certainly the consensus when i have travelled in Europe is WE HATE BUSH.
She is not going to change anything, she is only going to let the rich get richer and watch on as the poor get poorer.
Whichever muppet said Hillary was the best candidate for soldiers. Look how she voted compared to Obama? She wants to take on Iran in her quest for oil. It is not about security – Two biggest attacks on the USA in my memory – 9/11 – horrific and was a foreign attack. Oklahoma City – horrific and was planned from within the USA. It is about her and the other elites creaming it off.
Do not be fooled by this woman. America’s reputation around the world has been destroyed by Bush. She will only drag it further down. Obama can change things and is dedicated to doing so.
Concerned by his lack of experience? the last president elected after one year in the senate was a man by the name of Abraham Lincoln….
Posted by: tom uk | January 5, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
I can’t believe she FAILED at her health care reform once and wants to do the same old thing and talks about change.
I can’t believe she voted for war in Iraq and not only won’t say she was wrong, but her policy is Bush-lite there now, yet she even voted hawkishly on an Iran resolution, after which the intelligence estimate proved her wrong again. With all this she talks about change. No wonder she comes across as a cold, calculating, phoney, corrupt politician, with a personality of a snake.
Obama all the way. I rather be hopeful and inspired than continue with the same old dynastic corporatization of American politics that Bill first brought to it.
The notion of “change” encapsulates this so well, and that is exactly why the more she tries to use it the deeper the hole she digs.
Posted by: gene | January 5, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
Let’s be honest here. If Bush #2 was never President, we’d be more welcoming of Hillary. There wouldn’t be all this “We need a change! We need a change of names in the White House! No Bush! No Clinton! Something new… we need something new…” We aren’t really analyzing political statistics or the ideas that will bring about change. We are simply talking about change the last name of the President. Am I right? In that case; why not vote for Bill Richardson – his last name isn’t Clinton\Bush. Why not vote for John Edwards? His last name isn’t Clinton\Bush. I have to admit I remember life during the “Clinton years,” and I’ve got to say… they were pretty good. So the biggest influence working against Clinton is her last name. That’s a shame!
Posted by: Austin | January 5, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
Very funny, Alex. Obama is the only one with the guts to admit his mistakes, learn from them, and grow up (unlike some people…)
Posted by: millie | January 5, 2008, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm
Doreen:
Not true regarding the Republicans.
I have voted Republican in the Presidential Election since 1976 and I am voting for Barack Obama. I know other Republicans/Independents who lean Republican who feel the same.
This is not a conspiracy. I really & truly like and admire him and am willing to take a chance with him.
The Republican Candidates have about as much life & excitement as last year’s birds nest.
Posted by: Eddie | January 5, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm
“She is not a consensus builder. Republicans do not like her. She will not be able to unite the parties, which will result in another stagnant government. That’s why Obama is the Change Candidate.”
What actual experience does Obama have in bringing together the Dems and Republicans. This isn’t a sarcastic comment just wondering – does anyne know what his “wins” are?
Posted by: Matthew | January 5, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm
Who can do it?
Who can save this Land?
Barack Obama. . .
He’s our Man!
Go Barack!
‘Nuff Said.
Posted by: I'm For Barack! | January 5, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
Does anyone remember the day Bill and Hillary ‘welcomed’ the Bush’s and their staff to the White House? She was standing by some French doors and shaking hands. Then she would wipe her nose with her bare hand. The shake hands with the next person.
That pretty well highlights her character.
Only Hillary counts.
Listen to her. Just one trite comment after another. There is no real heart, no real concern, no true understanding.
Only Hillary.
Posted by: red | January 5, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
by the way – i am a huge Bill Clinton fan. As i’m sure many of you are. She is NOT Bill and will try and ride his popularity. He is hugely respected around the world despite his indiscretions… Ask yourself this. If she was not married to such a great president, would you be voting for her? I don’t think so
Posted by: tom uk | January 5, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
Where were you Hillary people when she had her supporters boo Edwards and Obama in the Vegas debate? That was obviously a defensive tactic on her campaign’s behalf not to let her slip even more after she blew it in philly.
None of you were complaining then that Hillary didn’t ask her people to stop it. If she can dish it out, she should be able to take it.
Give me a break with your silly whinings, won’t you?
Posted by: squeenter squillo | January 5, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm
Julie, sorry to disagree with your oppinion about Richardson. I also thought he was this awesome foreign policy person until he said that the best course of action for the US in Pakistan was to bring down Musharaff (not sure on the spelling). What have we learned from Iraq?? Look what bringing down Saddam brought us!! A bloody, expensive, impossible to win war!
Posted by: millie | January 5, 2008, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm
hrc will have a worse breakdown than britney, when this election is over!
Posted by: jacobs | January 5, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm
Obama, huge mistake, Hillary the wise and smart choice. The White House cannot be a job where you can learn as you go. Hillary will have the right stuff the first day. You donot have to like her, however she does deserve the respect of the American people. She will be a fine Pres. Let’s give her the chance for her to prove herself once again… greg
Posted by: greg | January 5, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
The “change” we want is from the Bush administration….not from the Clinton administration. No war…reasonably priced gas…respect around the world…budget surplus. I would love to have that again. That doesn’t mean I don’t want Obama but it also doesn’t mean I couldn’t support Hillary. I do think the republicans could not beat Obama…I just wish he and Hillary were on the same ticket. He for his dreams, her for her skills.
Posted by: yybbbaa | January 5, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
Eddie:
I agree with you. The Republicans are really a down-trodden party with no real message and no candidate that is exciting their electorate.
But, if you want to rally them, nominate Hillary Clinton and then will energize them. That is why I don’t think they are excited about Obama winning in Iowa except in the sense that he beat Hillary Clinton and they can’t stand her.
Posted by: Frank | January 5, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm
SHE WASN’T BOO’D!!! READ THE ORIGINAL TIME MAGAZINE ARTICLE. THe people wrote it weren’t there. the people who were said she wasn’t boo’d. the people who wrote it saw it on cspan and heard it incorrectly.
Posted by: Amy | January 5, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
This experience argument for Hillary and against Obama is very strange in some respects.
John Kennedy nominated the best & brightest to serve on his cabinet. When someone in his Cabinet asked him where you get experience to do these jobs, he said something to the effect of “There is no experience to prepare you for these jobs”.
Bill Clinton took over the Presidency after being Governor of Arkansas. That is hardly experience to manage a National Economy and Foreign Policy. And yet most Democrats are pleased with how he handled the job.
I think the real issue is judgment when dealing with National and International issues. We are looking for the candidate that we feel has the best judgment and will handle the Presidency accordingly.
And therein lies the debate.
Posted by: Eddie | January 5, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm
Obama: Unity, hope, change. Pragmatism, negotiate with poeple, exhange ideas, intellectually vetted domestic and foreign policy that keeps the US leading the world.
Hillary: I’m ready, I’m Sooooooooo ready.
I’m Experienced (at the Washington politics)……….but I also want to change it.
I’m ready, I’m Sooooooooo ready.
Why is this even close America??
Posted by: gene | January 5, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
Change , A better America , Taking on wall street and Corporate America ? Who was FIRST to come up with this fight for lower and middle class Americans ?
Very few words have been changed from speeches I`ve heard John Edwards make which are now being duplicated by Obama . I hope the Media will pick up on this , even Huckabee is using language that John Edwards has been using for a couple years or more now .
If these candidates cant come up with their own forum to stand on , how can they lead this Country ? Please ask Obama who came up with this Change and fighting for the middle class message first ……… John Edwards for Leadership that cannot be duplicated !
It s time for MEDIA stand up and call this as the obivious .All Americans and most importantly at this time , Americans in New Hampshire must research the issue s and look at who has had the message and will have the Heart and Guts to stand up for all America whether the Media likes it or not !
Posted by: Marc Ledford | January 5, 2008, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm
I was shocked to find out that Obama’s supporters acted so inappropriately. They did not even give Hillary a chance to speak. They were chanting “O-BAMA.” I can understand about the “boo”, although I disagree, but the chanting of “O-BAMA” during Hillary speech. Give me break. I start to question if the event was staged.
Posted by: Shocked | January 5, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm
Am I the only person that questions the value of experience as first lady of the USA and Arkansas? Do doctor’s wives, lawyer’s wives, or scientist’s wives put years of experience on their resume for participating in dinner and evening discussions, or even for helping with NGOs or community or international organizations relating to their husbands professions? How much credit do we give for being married to an elected official? I grant that first-ladies have a role, but the Responsibility, Accountability, and Authority lie ONLY with the the Governor/President him/herself. Also I ask this…How much would America’s international image (and thus international relations…negotiations…business) be aided by having a President with the experience of having spent childhood abroad…someone with the true global perspective of an international citizen? Just food for thought…think critically, act locally.
Posted by: Eco-man | January 5, 2008, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
When hit directly with the no experience charge, Huckabee or Obama should immediately ask: what kinds of experience do you mean; twenty five or more years on the public teat-of surviving? Twenty-five years of large professions and little deeds? Does seniority denote competency? When we hear a candidate in their best “phony-I’ll take care of you voice” proclaim they have been fighting for 25 or 35 years for change-shouldn’t we conclude they must not be very good at the “change” thing? Change means doing not just crowing. Change is having an opinion and a will-not changing as the wind blows or bowing to focus group tested wording.
Posted by: Jon Hanson | January 5, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
Also, anyone that watched the audience’s energy at Obama’s speech Tuesday night (I believe) would recognize that any chants are not staged. Its not just a slogan…his supporters are fired up. Not everything is a ploy. I believe its sincere.
Posted by: Eco-man | January 5, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
Change requires a leader to unite people behind a common cause and move things with sheer will against an entrenched establishment.
Change is not angry populism, change is not Washington lobbyist directed deal cutting, it is not ideology driven policy that divides. It is not scaremongering to win elections.
America demands better and frankly needs an inspirational leader at this moment. Obama appears most likely to fit that description right now.
Posted by: gene | January 5, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
OK – calm down everyone. It doesn’t matter who is elected. They / their party really will do very little to improve America. There is just too much self serving interest in politics. So forget politics – go do something with lasting value. Spend time with your kids, help your elderly neighbor, volunteer, and the list goes on, on, on…. I’m all for change in America. And deep in our hearts, we all know this is the only way it will realistically happen.
Posted by: SS | January 5, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
What do all you people mean by change? Making pretty speeches about unity? Holding hands and saying major differences on issues don’t really matter. Real change is not going to just feel good and inspiring. It is going to require hard-fought battles and bloody nuckles. Playing the “glad game” is not going to make insurance companies suddenly provide universal health care. It is not going to make Washington lobbyists go away. It is not going to fix the Iraq problem. Political savvy and a deep understanding of entrenched power is what we need and that is what Hillary Clinton has developed over a long time and she knows how to use her experience to get the things progressives want.
Posted by: Andrew | January 5, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
I would just like to say I was involved in the Iowa Democratic Caucuses. Like many Democrats, I feel change is needed. In Iowa, I had a front row seat to all the candidates and see their behaviors, speeches, and campaigns. Thoughout the past year, I noticed one thing, Obama alligned his positions with that of Clinton. To my observations, Obama was the “renegade” candidate in the beginning of 2007. Thoughout the campaign, I noticed that his positions and answers were increasingly close to Clinton’s. That caused me to think that Obama may have been a little nieve about the issues and facts. Also Clinton seemed a bit arrogant. In the end, I felt Clinton was the best choice for my values and standing on the issues. I caucused for her. Now that Obama won the Iowa caucuses Obama seems very arrogant. He returned to his “dream a little dream” speech and his right wing positions. It’s really hard to say if he is electable. My feeling is Republicans want him to win the nomination and are funneling alot of money into his campaign so he can lose in November.
Posted by: Iowa Observation | January 5, 2008, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm
As a Republican…apparently one of the few reading abcnews.com tody…I must say that this blog is a real encouragement. The Democrats are as divided as the Republicans.
But in the bigger picture, it’s really sad. This country just keeps getting more and more divided. I agree with one poster who said that we need someone not named Bush or Clinton. (How soon some forget how contentious the atmosphere was in the ’90s with Clinton.) In my opinion, McCain has done a pretty good job of working with both sides in his tenure. Any conservatives out there with thoughts on how any of the other candidates might do?
Posted by: J. M. | January 5, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
One more observation, everyone is looking for someone for “change” or “hope”. Why don’t you look to yourselves first for that change / hope. Go out and do something local to change the world. Be a good citizen, help others is what it’s about. Not putting all your energy into a person that you don’t know or may never meet.
Posted by: Andrew | January 5, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
Andrew,
You are not being realistic if you think that Hillary is going to bring about the changes you are speaking about. She is content to be part of that entrenched establishment. Frankly, she is part of the problem. Her types feel that come election time, they have to say certain things and behave in certain ways, and once that is over it is the same old again.
Can the US really afford that? We have had 20 yrs of this now and another 8 would be too much.
You are right, the entrenched corporate interests will not relent their stranglehold so easily. They will fight tooth and nail, even resorting to underhand tactics to protect their turf.
All the more reason, why America needs a leader they can get behind, one they trust, one that unites them and projects a vision. No corporate force can withstand the sheer will of a united American public.
Posted by: gene | January 5, 2008, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
OK, here’s the scoop. Obama is the right candidate to lead us into the complex world of the 21st century. Why? His lived experience as a child in Indonesia, his lived experiencegoing to school in Hawaii, his Kansas roots, his Kenyan roots. His law degree. His on-the-ground work in the neighborhoods of Chicago. His immediate and extended family, both here and abroad. He can surround himself with seasoned, capable staff and cabinet members. We need the perspective and fresh ideas of a new generation. Frankly, those of us weaned on the 60′s, Viet Nam and the Cold War have a world view too old and tired to be of much use in the 21st century. I’ve seen lots of politicos come and go. Time for a multicultural, multiracial, human-possibilities world view to take hold and help us move beyond the patronage and identity politics we are stuck with today. Obama gets this. The others don’t. They will fight to keep their hold on power, and sadly, they may prevail. But Obama is no flash in the pan. He is the real deal, and the time is right.
Posted by: Steve | January 5, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
8 yrs ago we rejected a “change” candidate in McCain favor of an entrenched establishment ideologue. A lot of good that did.
We are flirting with doing the same, this time around on the democrat side.
I hope not.
Posted by: gene | January 5, 2008, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm
You gotta go with your gut feel in choosing between Hillary and Obama.
Posted by: abe | January 5, 2008, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm
Let’s face it … the extremes of both parties won in Iowa … the far right Christian fundamentalists got their GOP candidate … and the Left Wing of the Democratic Party got their candidate … so what?.. Iowa doesn’t elect presidents anyway.
Posted by: Elinda | January 5, 2008, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm
People we really need to realize that no-one is going to deliver this nation from the terrible state it is in but God. We need a national revival. We also need to return to good and decent
things this nation was once known for.
I voted for G.W. Bush twice hoping he
would do things which would make us proud. He has done some good, but his record on invasion from our southern border is terrible. We are headed for a North American Union. Things are already taking shape i.e. Texas Corridor, Strategic Prosperity Partnership. What next? The Amero-dollar when our’s collapses against foreign currency. Whoever we get, we must vote in a person who believes in our sovreignty and our constitution. If not, we will all be sorry. Democrat or Republican.
Posted by: Troubled | January 5, 2008, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm
What everybody seems to forget is that Hillary Clinton represents continuation of the DYNASTY that started with Bush Sr, Clinton/Clinton/Bush Jr/Bush Jr. Are we now possibly looking at Clinton/Clinton, Jeb Bush/Jeb Bush, Chelsea Clinton/Chelsea Clinton. I thought we are a dedmocracy and not a monarchy.
Besides clinton is not a uniter, she is unqualified, waffles on issues, is divisive and perhaps commands no respect from our people in uniform.
Posted by: brea2020 | January 5, 2008, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm
It is a shame that there is so much negativity and misinformation on this page. It is only natural that in the heat of the moment enthusiasm leads people to say relatively stupid things, boo, or cheer. We are all human.
Nonetheless, I think that it is exciting that young people are involved and impassioned by the Democratic process for the first time in my lifetime. Maybe booing and cheering is “immature”–but so are a lot of other things. And when was the last time that young people even attended political events in droves? This mobilization, in my mind, is something to be proud of.
Obama makes me cry of happiness. None of the other candidates come anywhere close.
I hope that we can all step back from the fray and calmly decide which candidate to support, without having to viciously discredit the other candidates in order to make that choice.
I wish you all the best of luck with your choice in the coming weeks. I also look forward to voting alongside you for the Democratic candidate, whoever she/he may be in November ’08!!!
Posted by: Student Supporter of Obama | January 5, 2008, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm
The only candidate in this race who has real, relevant, serious experience and who has proven he can effectively change things is BILL RICHARDSON. He and Biden and Dodd should have been the so-called Top Tier from the beginning. Listen to him. Evaluate his amazing work history. He has intelligence and integrity qualities we have missed for 8 years.
Posted by: Sue Canavan | January 5, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm
The only candidate in this race who has real, relevant, serious experience and who has proven he can effectively change things is BILL RICHARDSON. He and Biden and Dodd should have been the so-called Top Tier from the beginning. Listen to him. Evaluate his amazing work history. He has intelligence and integrity qualities we have missed for 8 years.
Posted by: Sue Canavan | January 5, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm
I just re-read my post above.
I want it to be clear (because there seems to be some general confusion in certain posts on this point). I have no affiliation with the Obama Campaign. I made my decision about who to support in this election after doing research, talking to people with different views, and reflecting on my own beliefs.
The tears in my eyes when I heard his speech on Thursday night, (on the radio because I don’t have a TV), they were my own tears.
Thanks and good luck!
Posted by: Bridget aka Student Support | January 5, 2008, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm
I cannot believe Abc IS BLOWING A WHOLE SAT NIGHT ON THESE DEBATES.
It started to early and it has to far to go to be doing this
Posted by: Larry | January 5, 2008, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm
Some disturbing news items have started popping up (1)Who dares write anything negative about Obama(certainly not the press who are afraid of being seen as predjudiced on some level-see Howard Kurtzs’ column in Wash.Post)Does anyone
remember that this guy choose to run in a national election for the highest office in the land and now we’re being told the reporters are tiptoeing around him because he’s black. Isn’t that a reverse form of discrimination? He must
be treated like all the other candidates
and given a thorough vetting by the press just as they have given Hillary and John. (2)The college age voters are
being used to shout down other candidates or stage convention like rallies at speeches. Hey its good to see young people interested in politics but it doesn’t play well when they
try to edge out, drown out, shout out anyone else,and then take the vote away from the natives who actually live year round in the state, as they did at the Iowa caucas’. I simply cannot believe the people of New Hampshire who are known for independence, will allow that to happen there-but we’ll see.
Posted by: Wanda Sheppard | January 5, 2008, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm
Hilary claims she has over thirty years experience. Ummmmm, at what? She’s only served in Congress a little longer than Obama. I seriously doubt she’s qualified for President just because she’s married to a former Pres. If that’s the case, we might as well draft Nancy Reagan, or Barbara Bush.
To ABC, you guys should not be in a position to decide who debates and who does not. Shame, shame on you people.
Posted by: Joe | January 5, 2008, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm
I am sure the boos were planted. Anything to keep Obama from actually letting us know how is he going to change. He is not going to rewrite the constitution he is not going to unite the dems and republicans and do we really want that no we want health care we want jobs we want a home to live in We want out of Iraq whether we were originally for it or not…. who cares .We want cheaper energy, we want cheaper food… we are not going to revamp the constition with this or any other president. We need a president that works on the problems. The change we need has to be workable. Obama has no plans, just dreams. Thats okay when you teach but we need fast solutions now. Farmers are in trouble, The middle class is in trouble, business is in trouble. Thats all because Bush is totally focusing on Iraq. As a farmer the best times were when the Clintons were in. I have no problem going back to the finacial security I had then .
Posted by: Jack Voorheis | January 5, 2008, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm
If Obama gets the nomination, he’ll lose the general election … especially if someone like McCain gets the gop nod. And the repub establishment knows it that’s why they support Obama. Don’t get me wrong, I like the man … I found his speech in Iowa to be very moving. But inspiration and capability are two very different things. We need a president who will put in policies that will fix our country. Obama has not made one significant speech on how he’d actually bring about change. It’s sad, Americans don’t do any research .. they just take things on face value. I call it the stupification of America … all americans do is watch reality televsion and read magazines. What happened to our great society? Have we all become dumb as dubbya? Wake up!
Posted by: Ken | January 5, 2008, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm
Who’s writing this crap? Who do you think the GOP is more afraid of? Of course they want Obama to run because he would just plain loose. Hillary has more experience and it takes more than rhetoric to be President, Obama doesn’t cut it…do you want the GOP for another gruling eight years? Then vote for Obama.
Posted by: Sandra Lea | January 5, 2008, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm
Hill must have gone mad to suggest only 2 questions for voters to ask themselves in evaluating the candidate to vote for. What was on her mind to even suggest it herself ? We are in a Democracy, perhaps she thinks we are voters in Democrazy ! It is like planting people to ask questions in an open forum or perhaps like announcing she is open to answer questions but limited only to those she wants to answer. Such condescending attitude is not what the voters want from a candidate. Voting for Hill is like voting for perpetual confrontation and dysfunctional government since the Clinton years in ’93. No more Clinton-Bush presidency, enough is enough !
Posted by: wilson | January 5, 2008, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm
but it doesn’t play well when they
try to edge out, drown out, shout out anyone else,and then take the vote away from the natives who actually live year round in the state, as they did at the Iowa caucas’. I simply cannot believe the people of New Hampshire who are known for independence, will allow that to happen there-but we’ll see.
Posted by: Blockhead | January 5, 2008, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm
Any of the three Democratic frontrunners would make a good president. It is important that Democrats nominate the person who can beat any Republican candidate. I think that Clinton would be the strongest president but not the strongest candidate. Between Obama and Edwards, I prefer Edwards, but I would vote for either in the election. KEEP YOUR EYES ON THE BIG PICTURE; BE SURE A DEMOCRAT WINS IN NOVEMBER!
Posted by: Verbena | January 5, 2008, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm
What is wrong with this country when people vote for an Barack Hussein Obama to head our national security.
Wake up people. This is not about who is nice or who throws around the garbage they will change the government. We are faced with serious issues here. Terrorism and a possible recession. Obama needs to sit this one out and let the experienced and real leaders run this country.
Posted by: Obama is a Joke | January 5, 2008, 6:23 pm 6:23 pm
I agree. An Obama nomination will lead to a sure GOP win in the white house. He is a poor debater and any of the leading GOP runners will fry him in the general election debates.
Posted by: Obama is a Joke | January 5, 2008, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm
Obama supporter I disagree. An Obama nomination will lead to a GOP victory in this election. Mark my words.
It’s great there are young voters but they don’t know the serious issues and they don’t vote based on reality. The same thing happened with Nader running. He siphoned votes away from Gore and that was a tragic mistake. Bush has ruined this country. A junior senator from Illinois is NOT going to turn this country around. He has absolutely no experience!
Posted by: Obama is a Joke | January 5, 2008, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm
I agree with those that say if obama gets the nomiation he will loose as the president He is just a show boater Why is it okay for him to put down a woman by calling her gay when shes not she is very smart he is weak he admits to using drugs he has an addictive personality he could fall off the wagon at anytime If we had another 911 would he crumble to a line of coke?
Posted by: obama ia a gop plant | January 5, 2008, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm
The Republicans hate Hillary Clinton.
The Republicans love Obama. They want Obama to win so they can whip his ### in November.
No brainer. VOTE HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: No brainer | January 5, 2008, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm
barack hussein obama was the only senator in illinois to vote for the early realease of sexual predators.
Posted by: just say no to barack hussein obama | January 5, 2008, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm
How do I watch the debate online?
Posted by: Emma | January 5, 2008, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm
I am a democrat and I will never vote for Obama. I will abstain if he is the nominee. I am insulted by his happy talk about how he will change Washington. He will accompolish nothing because he will not know how to work through the existing governmental systems.
Posted by: Madeline | January 5, 2008, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
Reading here, I was stunned to realize that it appears the only candidates are Hillary and Obama.
JOHN EDWARDS is in this race. I am one, soon to be unregistered, Republican who supports Edwards. The man actually has a brain. Whether you agree with his position or not, he doesn’t hesitate to state his position. I don’t think the Republican Party wants to challenge Edwards—can’t figure out why he is ignored in the media unless he is a real threat to the status quo.
Posted by: willbet | January 5, 2008, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
What does Hussein Obama stand for??? All I hear is change change change. He never says anything of substance.
Bwack bwack bwack is what Hussein Obama does.
Posted by: just say no to barack hussein obama | January 5, 2008, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm
Wow, you all are very vehement. I just have a few axes to grind. I cant possible respond to everything I’ve heard. First, the experience argument is not convincing to me for several reasons. a) no one has experience being president b) there are significant differences in being the president and the First Lady. c) You guys love the experience argument, so lets test the salience of that argument: Was there a better person that could’ve been in office on 9/11? Now, surely (due to Bush hatred) you would say yes, but what would have been the major difference, bush had no on the job training and he still had the support of the Int’l community and 90% approval. Besides, your advisers generally have more input into strategic decision making, it doesnt happen in a vacuum.
This “Democrats steeling each others arguments” can really be said about all the candidates. It’s funny how poll numbers show that people are interested in “change,” and inexplicably HRC’s argument becomes “Im the change candidate.” She certainly hasnt strayed from her husband’s “keep your finger to the wind” philosophy that so many wrongly accuse Obama of. When has he changed his message because it wasnt polling well? YES it’s rhetorical, because it didnt happen. Also, people say he’s parroting edwards’ lines, actually “reducing the influence of lobbiests” is something he argued for when he campaigned for US senator. And it’s likely the same reason his first major work on legislation was the bill limiting lobbiest gift-giving. WOW, someone makes a campaign promise and then follows through!
For the “no experience” critics: Of the person who asked what committee he leads, let me ask you to find a freshman senator leading a committee, oh yeah, you wont find that either. And to answer the latter part of that criticism, I can name the committee, “FOREIGN RELATIONS”
Also, for those who hold up edwards as the populist standard bearer and claim that he hasnt changed, why did his campaign look so much different in 04′?
I also think the term “socialism” is too often lobbed around by Republicans demonizing Dem policy ideas. However, being from the “live free or die” state, I’m surprised you wouldnt denounce “mandated health care” as infringing on American “liberty”, which all other values aside, does transcend party label.
And can someone please stop that sour grapes argument “well if he’s so interested in change, why are his foreign policy advisors from the Clinton administration?” The world isnt broken down and rebuilt every presidency, so yes people that were good at one job at one time, might indeed still be good at that job later.
One more thing about HRC: after his win in Iowa and they determined that young people helped, she said something along the lines of, “maybe I need to do a better job explaining how I can appeal to them.” That might not be verbatim but it connotes the same either way, and my repsonse is “You shouldnt have to craft an appeal based on exit polling, you could just be appealing from the beginning for what your offering, not who you’re offering it to.
Yes Im voting for Obama, not because he’s black but because he’s the best candidate. Bipartisanship is possible, it’s just been too long since we’ve seen it, and Im sorry for saying it, but it would help to have a brown man brokering deals in the mideast.
Posted by: Chris | January 5, 2008, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm
Yeah, your dear bwack bwack bwacker HUSSEIN Obama gave his YES vote in Illinois for the early release of CHILD MOLESTORS. All sexual deviants would’ve gotten an early release from jail with Hussein’s vote.
He is running a childish campaign and I believe 100% it’s full of gop’s that want NO Hillary and YES for Obama so they can take him to the cleaners in the big debates.
I will NOT be voting for that Muslim.
Posted by: just say no to barack hussein obama | January 5, 2008, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm
It is alarming to read these posts. No
wonder this country is in the shape it is in. Most of you wouldn’t know a true patriot if you saw one. We have the dumbest electorate in many a year. About all we have running is crooks, rascals and phonies. Somewhere out there, we must have a person who will put the American people and our nation ahead of power, party or politics. May God give us a G. Washington, A. Lincoln and men like those who signed our Declaration of Independence….people who would rather die than give up our liberties.
With a very uncertain future ahead, we better do a lot of examination, scrutiny and praying before we go in to vote for anyone. Wise up America!
Posted by: Alarmed | January 5, 2008, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm
Obama supporter…. lot of experience you have just like the man you are supporting I hate to sound old but how many homes have you owned how many taxes have you paid? This election isnt about letting the youth run around with a bunch of dreams this is about a nation that is failing to survive what are you learniong in school whos paying for it
Posted by: obama is a gop plant | January 5, 2008, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm
I’d boo Hilary too. She is trying to deceive people into thinking she is able to make changes when she is too affected by special interests and corporate politics to do so. I normally vote Republican but Obama has changed everything. I’ll vote for Obama over any Republican presidential canidate.
Posted by: Becky | January 5, 2008, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm
Wow, you give a reasoned appeal for a candidate rather than a blind “vote for Hilary or Obama08′” and all the demagogues come out to play (my spelling may be off on that one, before you start itching to chastise me).
Posted by: Chris | January 5, 2008, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm
)bama talks in circles and says nothing!!!
Posted by: Al | January 5, 2008, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm
Obama manipulated the iowa caucus scene. Typical of a big corporate lawyer, for him it is not hard work, right and wrong, guilt or innocence that is important but winning at all costs. He manipulates, fingerpoints, misdirects, and uses inuendo then cries foul at any opportunity. It shows a great lack of charactar. He bussed in chicago kids for the Jefferson Jackson dinner and orchestrated it like a pep rally. He pandered to very young voters because they do not have much life experience and do not remember the prosperity of the clinton years, only the mistakes of the current administration. He lumps clinton in with the Bush presidencies so resentmant for current administration reflects on his opponent. He states he didn’t vote for the Irac war- he was not in office to vote and was not presented with the information those in congress were presented with. It only came out later that the information had been manipulated by Cheney-Bush. Obama accuses others of taking lobbiest $, not bothering to admit he takes donations as well. He is the master at misdirection, sound bites, half truths, and manipulation of the grey areas. His plans are weak, not well thought out, and has no experience in foreign affairs, and very little in the senate. The last thing we need in the White House is an inexperienced, self-serving, corporate lawyer. That is not change, that is the republican dream
really look at Obama’s plans, record, policy, and proposal. you will find alot of fast talk, flash, but not much substance.
Posted by: kim | January 5, 2008, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm
Obama is a con man and a fraud. He didn’t vote for or against the war in Iraq. He also oh so snakish held out and never voted on the Iran policy.
He is a snake and a liar. Do not trust a man promising change with no experience. He fails to realise a President is not the begins all ends all. Nobody in Washington will take that MLK wannabe seriously.
Posted by: None | January 5, 2008, 8:05 pm 8:05 pm
I’m listening to the republican candidates talking about health care in America. How can we, the riches country in the world have so many Americans without adequate healthcare. Prevention is great BUT when people get sick they should be able to get the care they need. I am saddened when people who have worked all their lives have to choose between good health care and food. Children should not have to suffer because their parents can not afford good health care. Some may call it a “hand out” but to me it makes sense to provide the kind of health care citizens of Canada, and France and other developed countries can have. I have worked for thirty five consecutive years and hold three post secondary degrees. I welcome health care for all.
Posted by: Diane | January 5, 2008, 8:06 pm 8:06 pm
Obama is just the perfect fantasy candidate: no background, no plans – just empty promises. He’s a naive liberal who is going to have to learn the hard way how to run a foreign policy. The only question will be how many Americans end up dying in the long run because of it.
Posted by: Neo Politicus | January 5, 2008, 8:19 pm 8:19 pm
wow. The majority of the these comments just portray the effects of negative campaigning – anger and paranoia. Let it go everyone.
A new era of politics is emerging – one that is reaching across party lines. I left the republican party to register as a democrat just so I could vote for Obama. In addition, it was a republican friend who sold me on Obama. If you are not familiar with his position on issues, for example, the exact details for ending the war in Iraq, please check out his website. Also, take time to read one of the books he wrote. The man is extremely intelligent, a charismatic speaker, and honest. Above all, even if you do not side with his policies, please do not give in to the politics of old. The divide and conquer strategy of the Bush Administration not only broke apart the republican party, it broke apart America. We as American’s are better than this.
Posted by: Tim | January 5, 2008, 8:23 pm 8:23 pm
I heard Hillary make a comment that we had to have a Clinton to recover from a Bush and that maybe we needed another Clinton to recover from a Bush.NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH!! NAFTA is killing our country and THAT STARTED in the Bush administration and was IMPEMENTED in the Clinton administration. Does anyone remember Hillary going out on the road and researching our need for National Healthcare AND GETTING PAID FOR IT?! I look at the Clintons as a mirror image of the Bushes. We need to LOOK HARD at the other candidates, bring up their profiles on line, look at their stand on policies, and give SPECIAL attention to those who are not attacking other candidates character instead of telling us THEIR PLANS!
Posted by: Chris | January 5, 2008, 8:40 pm 8:40 pm
People get a grip.
Only 11% of Iowans bothered to show up last Thursday. Obama got 3% of Iowans to vote for him, and Edwards and Clinton each got 2%. The number of people that did show up and vote represent only .0001% of the US population.
Everyone is falling all over themselves to say that the people voted for change, except you overlooked the 89% who also voted not to show up and hence voted for the status quo.
If you look at the entrance polls for new people that showed up for the Dems 30% showed up for Obama, 28% for Clinton, and 24% showed up for Edwards. This by the way represents the Dems as a whole for that night. When you add the 2nd choice to these numbers you arrive at the final totals of Obama 30+8=38%, Edwards 24+6=30%, and Clinton 28+1=29%. No where else can you force someone to pick another choice when the first is not high enough.
What all this means is the Dems were able to all get more people to show up but it was a pathetic 11% (7.5% for Dems/3.5% for Reps)of the population that said anything.
That is all it said.
* NO HISTORY
* NO CHANGE
* NO DECISION
We all need to wait until Feb 5th when 28 states will have had something to say, it is that simple.
Posted by: russ | January 5, 2008, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm
Russ – You sure sound like a paid Clintonista. First it was Clinton was really not the front runner, then it was that Des Moines Register Poll had grossly overestimated new Caucus goers and now your numbers to discount a movement that is going to sweep you Clintonistas away. Please go tell your paymaster that all these years of scheming to get back into the White house is not enough because it’s OBAMA TIME BABY!
Hats off to the Clintons and their political machine for continuing to believe in their own spin despite all evidence to the contrary. Perhaps they are hoping that a meteor might strike Obama and the field will then be wide open.
For now it is Bye Bye HillBilly!
Posted by: Cantab94 | January 5, 2008, 9:17 pm 9:17 pm
Russ – You sure sound like a paid Clintonista. First it was Clinton was really not the front runner, then it was that Des Moines Register Poll had grossly overestimated new Caucus goers and now your numbers to discount a movement that is going to sweep you Clintonistas away. Please go tell your paymaster that all these years of scheming to get back into the White house is not enough because it’s OBAMA TIME BABY!
Hats off to the Clintons and their political machine for continuing to believe in their own spin despite all evidence to the contrary. Perhaps they are hoping that a meteor might strike Obama and the field will then be wide open.
For now it is Bye Bye HillBilly!
Posted by: Cantab94 | January 5, 2008, 9:17 pm 9:17 pm
What a bunch of jaw flapping Chris so what if you are mesmorized by obama thats the plan just like pied piper he will not help this country it needs national health care now when Bill was in the climate was not right the economy was good the big three auto had good insurance but those days are over Hillary is not for nafta never was Hillary knows people are loosing their homes autoworkers are in trouble construction is in deep trouble energy will only go higher A major depression is going to happen right after the election the change that america will see is poverty hunger and disease something never seen before since the depression I think Hillary is the only one that get us through this bad time coming
Posted by: lindon | January 5, 2008, 9:32 pm 9:32 pm
This election field manifests the failure of both parties to identify clear leadership. Americans will have to make the choice for themselves.
Hillary is confused her work in silk stocking law firms and sleeping in the Whitehouse are not governmental experience. She states she has 35 years experience; however, she has only four more years in the Senate than Obama. Does she think her governmental experience came via osmosis-being in the same dwelling as Bill?
The US made the Clintons rich (pensions & book sales), took them out of governmental housing (did they own a home prior to 2000), and gave them class. She needs to go home and rest on these laurels.
Bill may not be able to give Hillary the presidency because she lacks his people skills. She speaks as if she has an entitlement to the Office and also, fails public speaking 101. Her continual references to “I” is quite condescending; we, us, & our are the appropriate pronouns to make an audience feel sincerity from the speaker.
Obama offers the best choice. He can bring the country together. Until one holds an office, one cannot be held accountable. Presidental appointees and cabinet members are the forces that impact on the decisions of the Office of President; did Bush have foreign experience?
Obama has manifested skills in unifying groups that would never have come together. New Hampshire continue the Iowa thrust and vote for Obama.
Posted by: Sanual Mixon | January 5, 2008, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm
I was there – at the NH 100 Club Dinner – Hillary had huge support. The young people who appeared to be bussed in at the last minute to mob the stage for Obama (after being asked to clear the aisles and to sit down) was a TOTAL set-up! These youngsters were rude, cursing at security guards, and it seemed clear that they didn’t even have tickets to be at the event. If Hillary had yelled at the audience, as Obama did, she would have been criticized. Obama did not say anything new…none of the candidates did…the hype was just that – staged, planned, artificial hype. I would have been ashamed to have been part of the Obama crowd last night!
Posted by: Martha Hennessey | January 5, 2008, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm
Are you nuts, Eloise? I saw both those speeches. I thought Hillary was terrific and Obama very lackluster. Maybe you don’t recognize content when you hear it!
Posted by: Emily | January 5, 2008, 11:13 pm 11:13 pm
The slogan is “Fired up, ready to go!” Not “fire it up”…
And yes, it is genuine. Go to an Obama rally and you will honestly be fired up and ready to go make a difference somehow. If nothing else, the man is charismatic.
Posted by: Alyssa | January 5, 2008, 11:33 pm 11:33 pm
Hillary is the only democratic candidate that can stand against any republican candidate. Obama is all talk with no relevant experience and John lost one election before with a smooth talking Kerry.
Hillary brings hope for change, who can execute to one.
I would not vote for anyone who has little experience to run our country. The same way I would not hire a person, with 6 years experience, to run my company for me.
Talk is cheap our economy and soldiers life are not.
Posted by: Prince K | January 5, 2008, 11:45 pm 11:45 pm
Democrats are not yet ready to win the white house. They easily given in to GOP’s strategies. The GOP’s were afraid of clinton and they mounted a very cordinated campaign against her and it seems they are succeeding by the way. The same thing they did in 2004 and democrates were deceived into choosing the weak Kerry/Edwards team and the rest was just a big funny story. This time around, it is also working for them. The candidates with the likely national security credentials are gradually made blackmailed by the GOP’s. Folks like Biden and Dodd are already out. If care is not taken, Clinton will go out leaving the dems with candidates they are very much prone to GOP’s sophisticate machine. Whether we like it or not, the 2008 general election will still boil down to Islamic terrorism because those guys aren’t gonna stop thinking of how to harm America from now till the general elections. Edwards and Obama are good guys, very very good with good policies but when it comes to tackling terrorism, I can tell you, they are zero, they can’t stand the Russia and Chinese support to Islamic terrorism. Thats a very strong weak point on their side which will be turned into added advantage by the GOPs. GOPs will still win again.
Posted by: kingsley | January 6, 2008, 12:06 am 12:06 am
Obama is a con man and a fraud. He didn’t vote for or against the war in Iraq. He also oh so snakish held out and never voted on the Iran policy.
He is a snake and a liar. Do not trust a man promising change with no experience. He fails to realise a President is not the begins all ends all. Nobody in Washington will take that MLK wannabe seriously.
Posted by: kingsley | January 6, 2008, 12:26 am 12:26 am
President Obama. Nope.change your name to O’Brian or Ohio but but not Obama.And what about that first name. Barack… change that to Barry or Barney but not Barack. The name doesn’t work. President Clinton works for me.
Posted by: snakeoil | January 6, 2008, 2:14 am 2:14 am
My mother called after the debate from Florida and when I told her what I was writing she asked me to post the following comment. Obama thinks he can go to Washington and change everything. He does not realize that nothing gets passed in D C without the right connections and experience. That is why she and my dad ( a Regan Republican) are strongly supporting Hillary.
Posted by: Cindy | January 6, 2008, 3:01 am 3:01 am
Inexperince has gotten thousands of brave soliders dead in Iraq and no way out. And inexperience cost hundreds of New Orleans their lives.
And Obama is a politican who has burned bridges and played games to become the Senator he is today. And Obama declares himself Mr. Clean. How do you think he got the money to run his campaign?
Being a politican makes you dirty in the first place. Favors for political contribtions goes back to George Washington. There is no Mr. Clean politican out there, only a con job on the American people. Voters do your research. The only politican above it, is a politican that you have never heard of.
Posted by: Cindy | January 6, 2008, 3:11 am 3:11 am
Thank God for Hillary Clinton. She did great tonight. Just what I want in a president, strong, intelligent,cares about the average American, knows her issues back and forth, will get us out of Iraq and protect us from terrorists and have a strong idea on day one how to take back our country.
Posted by: Cindy | January 6, 2008, 3:21 am 3:21 am
All you people who are against dynasties were not around when Franklin Roosevelt was president. I was, and he was the greatest president of my lifetime. He served this country for almost 16 years and died shortly before WWII ended in Warm Springs, GA.
Dynasties are not bad things, per se. They are only bad if they perpetuate bad policy.
Bill Clinton’s policies in the 90s brought this country prosperity because he put our government on a sound financial footing. He did not rob Social Security of money like GWB is doing, putting the lives of Senior citizens at risk.
I do not want another president who promises everything, but delivers nothing. I want one I can trust, and I trust Hillary to run the same kind of responsible government that her husband did. No matter what you think of their personal life, Bill Clinton was an excellent president, and would be elected again if he could run. I will take Hillary in his place, because she knows what the job is, she is an intelligent person, and is respected and liked around the world.
Finally, I am appalled at the ignorance of many of the posters here. I realize that the internet is a haven for these people, because they are anonymous. It takes a person of courage to post an intelligent reply, because then you have to think.
Posted by: Clairbloom | January 6, 2008, 3:50 am 3:50 am
I just read about what happened at the 100 Club Dinner. I am STUNNED. I have been to two of these events in the past and DEMS do not act the way Obamas bussed in young people did. First of all, you need a ticket to get in and I read where these kids were at the door trying to get in without a ticket. The guys at the door told them they needed a ticket and from what people who were at the event said, they cursed and screamed and stormed in. A lady sitting at a center table said it was like a mob came to town. Senator Clinton was speaking and they went to the middle of the room crowding the tables and the people sitting there and starting booing her. Also, screaming Obamas name and wildly waving their Obama signs in the air. This is always a love feast for all the DEMS running. There is applause but never have I ever seen booing. Usually, there is a deep respect for everyone running for office. The Jefferson Jackson dinner is the exact same way. My husband and I went to one just a few months back with Joe Biden. Everyone was so happy for Joe. No booing or hatefulness. Those kids were plants from Obamas campaign and we do not do that to other Democrats. This is a dirty trick. I wonder what else Obama has up his sleeve? Another George Bush. Wake up America.
Posted by: Cindy | January 6, 2008, 6:13 am 6:13 am
Hillary Clinton is a Republican. She votes on Republican lines almost every time. Look at her voting record. That is her “experience”. That is why Rupert Murdoch (head of Fox News) backs her campaign. If you are a Republican, Clinton is the perfect candidate for you.
Posted by: Rupert | January 6, 2008, 9:15 am 9:15 am
Actually Rupert, your saying that Hillary is a Republican, etc … has a
lot of truth to it in essence.
I’ve been saying something like what you’ve been saying since the 90′s
The reason the Republican Leadership HATES Bill Clinton is because so many of the Independents and rank and file Republicans voted for him. That scares the heck out of them. Bill was a centralist that actually represented 70-80 percent of the people in his stands. Unlike the extremists in both parties which each only represent about 15-20% of the people.
Hillary and Bill are really a moderates which scare the extremes in both parties. But they could have felt very comfortable as Republicans in the days when Goldwater Conservatives ruled the Republican party.
I know, I’m a Goldwater Conservative that feels at home in the current Democratic Party since the Reagan/GW supporters took over the GOP.
Posted by: roy | January 6, 2008, 10:05 am 10:05 am
I think many Republican who call themselves conservatives are loosing the definition of what a conservative really is.
Fiscal Conservative … The GOP hasn’t had that since Ford. Were the huge fiscal deficits under Reagan and GW fiscal conservatism? No I think not. And Clinton was able to balance the budge. Is that Fiscal conservatism… Most definitely.
And Goldwater Conservaties are also socially responsible. Do the Tax Breaks which focus almost intirely on the rich follow the Goldwater Conservtive definition. I think not.
And Republicans of old, at their core, would NEVER had gone into a preemptive war like GW.
You can call yourself a duck. But if you don’t walk like a duck, quack like a duck and look like a duck. You’re not a duck. So I’m not sure what to call these current Republicans, but conservative they’re not.
They’re not even Liberals… They take whatever stand they can for one purpose only… And that’s to be in power at all costs. Even if it destroys this country. Whether it means to impeach a president for lying about a b*j* or to start a preemptive war so their leadership can create the illusion of being the a “war president.” Because history had shown that you don’t vote out the party in power during a time of war. But that looks to change.
I would rather have moderates like nearly any of the Democratic contenders than those in the Republicans who are trying to out-macho each other as a GW clone (except for Paul)
Posted by: roy | January 6, 2008, 10:19 am 10:19 am
Democrats are not yet ready to win the white house. They easily given in to GOP’s strategies. The GOP’s were afraid of clinton and they mounted a very cordinated campaign against her and it seems they are succeeding by the way. The same thing they did in 2004 and democrates were deceived into choosing the weak Kerry/Edwards team and the rest was just a big funny story. This time around, it is also working for them. The candidates with the likely national security credentials are gradually made blackmailed by the GOP’s. Folks like Biden and Dodd are already out. If care is not taken, Clinton will go out leaving the dems with candidates they are very much prone to GOP’s sophisticate machine. Whether we like it or not, the 2008 general election will still boil down to Islamic terrorism because those guys aren’t gonna stop thinking of how to harm America from now till the general elections. Edwards and Obama are good guys, very very good with good policies but when it comes to tackling terrorism, I can tell you, they are zero, they can’t stand the Russia and Chinese support to Islamic terrorism. Thats a very strong weak point on their side which will be turned into added advantage by the GOPs. GOPs will still win again.
Posted by: kingsley | January 7, 2008, 9:12 am 9:12 am