What Did Bill Clinton Mean By “We Just Have to Slow Down Our Economy” to Fight Global Warming?
Former President Bill Clinton was in Denver, Colorado, stumping for his wife yesterday.
In a long, and interesting speech, he characterized what the U.S. and other industrialized nations need to do to combat global warming this way: "We just have to slow down our economy and cut back our greenhouse gas emissions ’cause we have to save the planet for our grandchildren."
At a time that the nation is worried about a recession is that really the characterization his wife would want him making? "Slow down our economy"?
I don’t really think there’s much debate that, at least initially, a full commitment to reduce greenhouse gases would slow down the economy….So was this a moment of candor?
He went on to say that his the U.S. — and those countries that have committed to reducing greenhouse gases — could ultimately increase jobs and raise wages with a good energy plan..
So there was something of a contradiction there.
Or perhaps he mis-spoke.
Or perhaps this characterization was a description of what would happen if there isn’t a worldwide effort…I’m not quite certain.
You can watch that one clip HERE or you can watch the whole speech at the website of ABC News’ great Denver affiliate KMGH by clicking HERE.
It’s worth watching — he also pushed back against a 9/11 conspiracy theorist heckling him.
"Everybody knows that global warming is real," Mr. Clinton said, giving a shout-out to Al Gore’s Nobel Peace Prize, "but we cannot solve it alone."
"And maybe America, and Europe, and Japan, and Canada — the rich counties — would say, ‘OK, we just have to slow down our economy and cut back our greenhouse gas emissions ’cause we have to save the planet for our grandchildren.’ We could do that.
"But if we did that, you know as well as I do, China and India and Indonesia and Vietnam and Mexico and Brazil and the Ukraine, and all the other countries will never agree to stay poor to save the planet for our grandchildren. The only way we can do this is if we get back in the world’s fight against global warming and prove it is good economics that we will create more jobs to build a sustainable economy that saves the planet for our children and grandchildren. It is the only way it will work.
"And guess what? The only places in the world today in rich countries where you have rising wages and declining inequality are places that have generated more jobs than rich countries because they made a commitment we didn’t. They got serious about a clean, efficient, green, independent energy future… If you want that in America, if you want the millions of jobs that will come from it, if you would like to see a new energy trust fund to finance solar energy and wind energy and biomass and responsible bio-fuels and electric hybrid plug-in vehicles that will soon get 100 miles a gallon, if you want every facility in this country to be made maximally energy efficient that will create millions and millions and millions of jobs, vote for her. She’ll give it to you. She’s got the right energy plan."
In other Bubba News, Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, told the spectacular Kate Snow yesterday that this is her campaign, not Bill’s, and told Nightline anchor Cynthia McFadden last night that she can control him.
(Which begs the question — does she want to slow down the economy?)
– jpt
UPDATE: Not so difficult to predict — the RNC just issued a statement in response to the former President’s comment.
“Senator Clinton’s campaign now says we must ‘slow down the economy’ to stop global warming," said Alex Conant, RNC Spokesman. "Clinton needs to come back to Earth. Her ‘tax-it, spend-it, regulate-it’ attitude would really bring the economy crashing down. No amount of special effects will hide Clinton’s liberal record.”
Sen. Clinton’s campaign, meanwhile, has a new TV ad (watch it HERE) that calls her "the person you can depend on to fix the economy and protect our future."
UPDATE 2: The original headline of this post was too definitive, while the larger blog post tried to express that I wasn’t sure just what Clinton meant by his statement. So I changed the headline to reflect that. I understand after many, many emails that many folks think I misunderstood what the President was saying.
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Posted by: ben franklin | January 31, 2008, 9:32 am 9:32 am
WHAT?!? Are we seriously considering letting this idiot and his wife anywhere near the white house again?
Clintons the US citizens are asking you to PLEASE, please, just go away, we’re begging you, leave us alone.
Posted by: Chris | January 31, 2008, 9:32 am 9:32 am
Oh wow! That’s all I have to say about that.
Posted by: K | January 31, 2008, 9:32 am 9:32 am
Bill Clinton is running for a 3rd term.
Posted by: Chas | January 31, 2008, 9:33 am 9:33 am
Oh for pity’s sake Bill… be quiet already.
Posted by: kimbers | January 31, 2008, 9:34 am 9:34 am
Who needs a robust economy? The country does not need jobs. Yes, Bill, lets just slow the economy down and then let India and China speed up. We’ll never ne able to grow economically again according to Bill..we reached our peak. Global warming is holding us back. Err, Bill is holding us back. What an IDIOT!
Posted by: Dennis | January 31, 2008, 9:37 am 9:37 am
Things are setting up for a lively debate… not between Obama & Hillary…
but between Bill & Hillary
Posted by: Joe | January 31, 2008, 9:37 am 9:37 am
The Clinton machine is more scary to me than any potential global warming…
We should “wait and see” how the science of Global Warming evolves a bit – don’t jump at the first declaration of “the sky is falling” – if we had jumped in the 1970′s we would have been deliberately dumping CO2 to offset and ice age. The jury is still out.
Sunspots are easily linked to previous warming periods in history but aren’t considered a factor because the UN (a political body) has determined that CO2 is the culprit.
Finally, enjoy the upcoming ‘mini ice age’ for the next 10 years that NASA has recently predicted… I’m buying a good jacket.
: )
Posted by: bubba | January 31, 2008, 9:37 am 9:37 am
If former President Clinton is serious in his efforts to reduce gas emissions, perhaps he should just shut up for a few days and see how that affects the political atmosphere.
Posted by: chuck | January 31, 2008, 9:37 am 9:37 am
Poor guys…it sounds like a case of Goreitis to me.
Posted by: D | January 31, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am
This has nothing to do with Global Warming, but more about the “rich”. Clintons want nothing more than to eliminate the upper middle class to the wealthy in this country – this is the heart of socialism. Eliminate the wealthy and you essentially have a one class state. The thing is the Clintons will not be in that “one class” of people, they are of course to “elite” for that!
Posted by: Prespilot68 | January 31, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am
slow down the economy to preserve the planet for other generations, but ignore this one
are we already giving up? these Clintons are something else
know this- the next bubble that is set to burst is being filled right now, and its the alternative energy bubble, sure its small right now but all of the special interest groups have their hands in the Clinton’s pockets and absolutely need the in office
we don’t need knee jerk reactive politics in place and thats what you have with Clinton
Posted by: Tobin | January 31, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am
Now that he and Hillary are so damn rich it’s time for the rest of us to bite the bullet. Whata team.
Say I, go to h@@! HillBilly
Posted by: Voice of Reason | January 31, 2008, 9:39 am 9:39 am
OXYMORON ALERT !
“In a long, and interesting speech, he characterized what the U.S. and other industrialized nations need to do to combat global warming”
Bill Clinton + Long + Interesting = Oxymoron
Let’s cut to the quick here – The Clinton’s sold out to their CFR Globalist Elites years ago. This “sack cloth & ashes” routine for our “past carbon footprint sins” is a sellout for power & fame which is the REAL Clinton legacy. It started with the signing of NAFTA.
Posted by: JB | January 31, 2008, 9:39 am 9:39 am
One expert said that if the US shut down completely, meaning zero emissions, it would only reduce the world total by 20%.
So, what percentage does he suggestg we slow our economy down?
Just another political pipe dream off the cuff because it sounded good at the time.
Posted by: Ron Crocker | January 31, 2008, 9:39 am 9:39 am
Maybe Hillary should be presenting her agenda from now on…seems like Bill has hurt her campaign in recent weeks. Maybe he is secretly fighting for “change we can believe in”…
Posted by: Michael | January 31, 2008, 9:39 am 9:39 am
These leftists are sickening. I came across this talk by Evan Sayet called “How Modern Liberals Think” and it explains just about everything about what Evan calls “Modern Liberals.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c
It explains why they are anti-capitalism, against the war, for abortion, against drilling in ANWR – just about all of their positions.
Find some quiet time and make sure you watch the Q&A at the end.
Posted by: Al | January 31, 2008, 9:39 am 9:39 am
Maybe Hillary should be presenting her agenda from now on…seems like Bill has hurt her campaign in recent weeks. Maybe he is secretly fighting for “change we can believe in”…
Posted by: Michael | January 31, 2008, 9:39 am 9:39 am
Thank you Bill…Just keep on talking…
Posted by: Rick Branch | January 31, 2008, 9:39 am 9:39 am
Bill and Al Gore can lead by example and go back to the stone ages first.
Posted by: Jeremy Lee | January 31, 2008, 9:40 am 9:40 am
I lived overseas during parts of both the Clinton and Bush presidencies. Living in a country with a large Muslim population meant that being an American sometimes made me unpopular, especially during the early days of the Iraq war. But that was nothing compared to the embarrassment I felt when the lurid details of Clinton scandals were gleefully carried on the front pages of newspapers in my host country. We don’t need another president who makes us feel apologetic about being Americans. Please, could we have the Clintons just quietly leave? I remember Bill was greeted as a hero when he visited Ghana. Can we put him in touch with a real estate agent over there?
Posted by: Andrew | January 31, 2008, 9:40 am 9:40 am
Bill Clinton becomes increasingly incredible, irrelevant, and incoherent. As he does so, his level of innate incompetence becomes increasingly evident. Advice to Bill: Shut up. Go home. Bake cookies.
Posted by: BlueMax372 | January 31, 2008, 9:40 am 9:40 am
Clinton wants to slow down economy even more for global warming concerns…this is sick
Posted by: tom | January 31, 2008, 9:40 am 9:40 am
there you Bubba want us to stay poor for his benefit….
Posted by: fred | January 31, 2008, 9:40 am 9:40 am
Actually, Senator Clinton didn’t beg the question at all; she asked the question. If she’d begged the question, then she would have avoided answering it.
Posted by: whr | January 31, 2008, 9:40 am 9:40 am
If you think Washington is partisan now, just wait until the Clintons get back in. All hell will break loose!!!
Posted by: Jase | January 31, 2008, 9:41 am 9:41 am
Another thought: I love rich people. One of them gave me my first job. It is very likely that this global warming hoax is aimed at the people who make the world go ’round.
Posted by: RightStuff | January 31, 2008, 9:41 am 9:41 am
Finally the liberals are showing us who they really are on the global warming scam. It’s all about liberal guilt that the USA is a world power. It’s all about ruining our economy so China, India, and Europe get a more fair shot to compete. How anyone could vote for a party that is actively trying to slow our country’s growth is beyond me. Fossil fuels still make this economy tick and there’s no denying it.
Posted by: Conservative and Proud of It | January 31, 2008, 9:42 am 9:42 am
“…in America, if you want the millions of jobs that will come from it, if you would like to see a new energy trust fund to finance solar energy and wind energy and biomass and responsible bio-fuels and electric hybrid plug-in vehicles that will soon get 100 miles a gallon, if you want every facility in this country to be made maximally energy efficient that will create millions and millions and millions of jobs…”
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This is the new vision of the neo-Socialists in America!!!
Posted by: james madison | January 31, 2008, 9:43 am 9:43 am
Alas, people will still vote for her…um…him..um….whatever. People like my wife. They don’t read. They don’t think. They simply react to a Pavlovian stimulus provided by panderers like Bubba. I mean…really…look at the websites some of these folks visit. All entertainment. Makes me rethink my position on, ‘one person, one vote’.
Posted by: calirangr | January 31, 2008, 9:44 am 9:44 am
The Democrats love to tax the rich and redistribute it to the poor to buy their votes. What we saw in Denver was just another Liberal game to take from teh rich (US, Canada, and Europe) and give to the poor (China, India, etc.) But in this case, we get NOTHING in return.
Why do we need to put people out of work to save the environment?
Posted by: Dave Jones | January 31, 2008, 9:44 am 9:44 am
Ironiically, bush has done more for alternate energy by pushing for the first national energy policy ever. What did the Clintons do? They got us the California energy blackouts. Now, the alternate energy sector has been doubling and redoubling every year, and that makes Dems envious. Texas has the most wind in the world and midwestern farmers are recovering from government imposed welfare imposed during the Great Depression. Meanwhile Exxon’s senator is a WVa Dem.
Posted by: Claire W Solt, PhD | January 31, 2008, 9:44 am 9:44 am
Wow!! slow down the economy with a housing crisis, low wages, credit crisis, huge deficit, bridges and infrastructure falling to pieces, growing wealth gap, and an impending recession!!!!
Surely, Mr. Clinton, you jest? The economy can be kept going without raising greenhouse gases. If Bill Clinton will be advising Hillary with this nonsense, we REALLY don’t need her in the WH.
Posted by: dionysus | January 31, 2008, 9:44 am 9:44 am
The Democrats love to tax the rich and redistribute it to the poor to buy their votes. What we saw in Denver was just another Liberal game to take from the rich (US, Canada, and Europe) and give to the poor (China, India, etc.) But in this case, we get NOTHING in return.
Why do we need to put people out of work to save the environment?
Posted by: Dave Jones | January 31, 2008, 9:44 am 9:44 am
What planet are these people from!
Posted by: Tom S | January 31, 2008, 9:44 am 9:44 am
Maybe people like Gore could turn a few lights of in their mansions and save us the trouble.
Posted by: Steven | January 31, 2008, 9:45 am 9:45 am
Bill Clinton is stunningly obtuse. He needs to get the heck out of the picture. We are nauseated by BC’s stupid comments. ENOUGH!
Posted by: RightStuff | January 31, 2008, 9:45 am 9:45 am
Did anyone read the quoted text from his speech above? Because I think Bill makes it pretty clear that he is not suggesting slowing down the economy. He was simply stating the obvious. Rich countries slowing their economies could help the environment. But that wouldn’t stop poorer countries from trying to jump start their own economies. So the slowing economy strategy is NOT Plausible. He then goes on to discuss creating new jobs in green technology fields, thus fueling the economy AND helping the environment. I’m not saying it was an eloquent speech, but don’t misquote the guy.
Posted by: m | January 31, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am
Will China slow down? What and idiot.
Posted by: Tony | January 31, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am
God forbid that us Americans should consider anything other than our own economic welfare — even at the cost of our own future. The comments here indicate terminal myopia to a laughable extreme. BTW: Bill never drove our economy into the ground — that I believe is some dude named Bush.
Posted by: Tony | January 31, 2008, 9:47 am 9:47 am
Americans inability to parse simple rhetoric in a context explains how Bush was elected twice. Americans don’t want to think. Otherwise intelligent people lock down their minds on one particular, straightforward statement and forget about how that statement works in combination with other elements in the sentence. It’s clear that President Clinton was speaking about a “what if” scenario; he was postulating the argument that we would have to slow our economy, but then went on to claim that this is in reality not true. New challenges like responding to global warming or e-commerce create jobs. Putting oil men in office who rely on outdated technology and ways of doing business will not ensure a bright future for our children.
Posted by: erik thompson | January 31, 2008, 9:47 am 9:47 am
Global warming is just the latest in a long list of scams designed to separate us from our money. At a time when severe winter storms were hitting California and Baghdad had snow for the first time in memory and most of the midwest was freezing, Al Gore resurfaced to say that global warming was much worse than we could ever have imagined. When people finally wake up to the fact that we’re being lied to, all this carbon trading bull will die out, and those who wanted to get in on this $150 trillion industry will have to find another way to make money. If all the people advocating global warming actually believed it, they wouldn’t be doing what they’re doing. In other words, they would be practicing what they preach.
No, Bubba Bill, not everyone believes in global warming. There are some of us who actually have a brain and the ability to use it.
Posted by: Roxanna M | January 31, 2008, 9:47 am 9:47 am
I didn’t read it as Bill saying we had to slow down our economy to fight global warming. I saw him raise a hypothetical with the wealthy countries on one side saying they were going to do it for the sake of the grandchildren, but that wouldn’t get countries like China, India, Mexico etc… to do it. Hence, it wouldn’t work. That’s what I read. He also made a point that there are jobs to be had in becoming green, so that would help our economy.
You just have to understand Bill thinks and talks like a wonk pretty much most of the time and he also loves to give a “for instance” any chance he gets to get people thinking.
Posted by: LJM | January 31, 2008, 9:48 am 9:48 am
Interesting. I wonder if Mr. Clinton felt the same way when he was riding his mythical wave of popularity during the Boom-Boom 90′s. A chugging economy seemed all the rave then, didn’t it?
When the government forces private business to do its bidding at the barrel of a gun (ie, “slow down”), that’s called fascism.
It’s good to know where the Clinton camp is coming from. The other Democrats aren’t much different. Helpful to know come voting time.
Posted by: Good Lt | January 31, 2008, 9:49 am 9:49 am
Finally they came out and said it! “We’re going to ruin the Western economies to save the planet!” Great plan Bill!
Science + politics = politics
Posted by: DC | January 31, 2008, 9:49 am 9:49 am
Oh, what great political insight we get from our former president!
Slow down the economy which means companies will institute a series of cutbacks and lay off employees, which should really rally union workers to Hillary’s campaign.
Could it be that Bill really prefers Obama, for he is doing everything in his power through his attacks and pronouncements to hand him the presidential nomination.
Posted by: agatematt | January 31, 2008, 9:49 am 9:49 am
Elect this moron again America and prepare for 12 years of Republican rule ala Jimmy Carter. Obama ’08, not an idiot.
Posted by: Jason Samarcolm | January 31, 2008, 9:49 am 9:49 am
Global warming is BS. All they want to do is tax carbon (what we exhale and plants BREATHE) rather than the carbon that is produced by industrial plants (like in China) that is NOT reguated. NASA has shown that warming is happening on other planets as well, I don’t know how that greenhouse gasses could accumlate without humans or cars on a planet, so it can’t be that. Therfore it’s completely natural and all this is, is a complete farce to fund the UN. It has NOTHING to do with the enviroment and everything to do with funding the UN. Absolute joke.
Posted by: fraud '08 | January 31, 2008, 9:50 am 9:50 am
Create millions of jobs….. are those private sector, sustainable jobs, or government jobs that will require higher taxes to perpetuate – thereby slowing the economy that much more after the carbon taxes are imposed?
It is good economics? Umm, for who, Al Gore and his ilk, the carbon hucksters? Let the price system regulate. When carbon based fuels become scarce, the price will increase to the point it will make alternative fuels competitive…. WITHOUT the subsidies that only take from the R&D of the productive economy.
The world warmed from 1900-1945, cooled from 1945-1975, warmed again from 1975-1998, and has cooled since. This record tracks well with solar activity, but not so well with CO2.
BTW, rising wages and declining inequality… yes, the EU economies are growing, albeit until lately, not as fast as the US economy, but higher taxes on the wealthy and greater government wealth redistribution is the reason inequality is declining, not because they adopted Kyoto. There was very little inequality 200 years ago, because just about everyone was poor. Is that the “equality” we should romanticize and to which we should want to return? Please!
Oh, and one more, the U.S. has reduced per-capita emissions more than any of the countries that signed Kyoto. Done so by not constraining our economy and allowing private business to research and develop more efficient autos and energy.
Mr. Clinton, you were a pretty good economic President and showed a subtle understanding of the US economy. You demean your economic legacy when you sell out to the hucksters.
Posted by: MiltonF | January 31, 2008, 9:51 am 9:51 am
Bill please “JUST GO AWAY”
Posted by: Ray | January 31, 2008, 9:51 am 9:51 am
It depends on the meaning of the word “slow”! :-D
Posted by: Crush Liberalism | January 31, 2008, 9:52 am 9:52 am
If I was making $300,000 a speech and went from $2 million in the hole to being worth over $40 million in less than 8 years I’d be for slowing the economy also.
Posted by: Bill | January 31, 2008, 9:52 am 9:52 am
All the Republican nut cases seem to have come here….courtesy- Drudge?
Why dont all you folks consider the fact that he may have mis-spoken? He meant to say slowdown our greenhouse emissions…read the next paragraphs you dimwits
” we get back in the world’s fight against global warming and prove it is good economics that we will create more jobs to build a sustainable economy that saves the planet for our children and grandchildren. It is the only way it will work”
“The only places in the world today in rich countries where you have rising wages and declining inequality are places that have generated more jobs than rich countries because they made a commitment we didn’t. They got serious about a clean, efficient, green, independent energy future… If you want that in America, if you want the millions of jobs that will come from it, if you would like to see a new energy trust fund to finance solar energy and wind energy and biomass and responsible bio-fuels and electric hybrid plug-in vehicles that will soon get 100 miles a gallon, if you want every facility in this country to be made maximally energy efficient that will create millions and millions and millions of jobs, vote for her”
You dimwits voted for George W,look where you have taken the country….
Posted by: Chandra | January 31, 2008, 9:52 am 9:52 am
YOU FOUND YOUR HOOK. Bill Clinton is perhaps suggesting that we face some stark choices. It appears obvious the US economy cannot proceed with “business as usual.” We must invest in a new energy future to keep our economy on track. Not buy more consumer goods. Maybe the headline should read “Bill Clinton believes Energy investment necssary to save our economy” –But that wouldn’t get much attention would it?
Posted by: Mark | January 31, 2008, 9:54 am 9:54 am
Billy has already accumulated a pile of money to allow him to get through a slowdown in economy. Therefore, he wants all of us who are still struggling to sacrifice for the cause. We have had enough out of this bulbous nosed clown; cease Bully Billy, cease to spout.
Posted by: Suomi | January 31, 2008, 9:54 am 9:54 am
What?!? Monica is needed to change the subject… and Bill to get his mind off Hilary
Posted by: dug | January 31, 2008, 9:54 am 9:54 am
bill can`t seem to make up his mind
Posted by: hugh | January 31, 2008, 9:55 am 9:55 am
Slow growth and lose more jobs to China, the biggest global warming violater on the planet. Who is going to operate all the food kitchens here in America? I sure hope they don’t serve Chinese dumplings, maybe Bill can eat the first bowl.
Posted by: Michael | January 31, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am
Why is the average US citizen always called to give up more than the average Chinese or Indian citizen? Some studies have already shown that China has already surpassed the US in carbon emissions… why doesn’t anybody else get on their case? C’mon…
And India… where’s their responsibility in all this? Why is Bill Clinton not asking the same of China and India? Perhaps he sees these two countries as the economic powers of the future so he’s become an economic opportunist? Maybe if we stop making cozy deals with the likes of China and Mexico, our economy will be strengthened and all those outsourced jobs will return.
Bill Clinton… just move to China or India…have fun breathing in the putrid stench that is the third world breeding ground for global “capitalism.”
Posted by: Erin | January 31, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am
So much for the “prosperity” in Bill’s oft-repeated “Peace and Prosperity” line about the 1990s (forgetting the false tech bubble, as-yet-undiscovered widespread fixed accounting numbers and the preemptive, illegal war to separate Serbia and Kosovo and hand it over to radical Islamic terrorists.) I thought Bill was supposed to shut up and let his shrill wife do all the talking from now on?
Posted by: Stephen A. | January 31, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am
This is exactly the mental illness we don’t need in the White House, Supreme Court and our Congress!
Bill Clinton is RETARDED!
Posted by: Rick Morrow | January 31, 2008, 9:57 am 9:57 am
AS stated previously…its all about the money. Just follow the money that comes from “New Taxes” or Fees to fight global warming…and don’t forget, while you’re at it, to follow the money from any future “UN imposed taxes”…as my 79 year old dad said, “Bill Clinton is a likable guy…all shrewed horse-traders are likable, but you still get screwed just the same”
Posted by: TxnByBrth | January 31, 2008, 9:57 am 9:57 am
Slowing down the economy is the exact opposite of what is needed.
If (a big if, IMO) global warming is manmade, then we need more wealth creation in order to fund the technology to stop it.
If global warming exists (long term) and it is not man made, again we need to create the wealth to be able to fund the needed infrastructure in many countries to minimize the effects (see New Orleans for a good example, if the levees were maintained, it would have been much less of a problem)
The pessimists (mostly liberals) have exactly the wrong solution .. not surprising as the modern day Luddites are no smarter than their predecessors.
Posted by: paul | January 31, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am
If Hillary is elected it will means a Bush or Clinton has been President or VP for 36 straight years. NO to Two Family rule of the USA! We need somebody besides a Bush or a Clinton running this country!
Posted by: Wags | January 31, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am
Typical Liberal Mediocrity. Liberals are such small thinkers and they think the rest of us are sheep to be led.
Let see, does this sound like Jimmy Carter?
Posted by: Dave | January 31, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am
Global Warming is not real ! So why would we want to do anything ? ENOUGH With The Global Warming BALONY !!!
Posted by: M Guzzi | January 31, 2008, 9:59 am 9:59 am
People! It’s called making sacrifices to ensure our life and liberty for future generations. We did it as a nation in World War II when the threat was clear. The threat now is contamination of our environment by our wasteful industrial practices. Call it global warming if you want, I prefer to call it air quality, water quality, etc. Go visit Beijing if you want to see what unchecked industrial growth means for the health and quality of life for people. Open your eyes!
Posted by: Commie | January 31, 2008, 9:59 am 9:59 am
Global Warming — have any of these liberals ever heard of the Ice Age?
Have they ever heard of glaciers in the Ohio Valley?
Well, we went through global cooling and global warming thousands of years before ‘evil’ mankind was around.
Do we worry about ‘global darkening’ each night when the sun goes down?
How many of us want to pay more taxes because the sun goes down?
Why not? Because we know it will rise tomorrow.
Well, it’s going to get warmer no matter what we do, and after that it is going to get colder no matter what we do. And on and on..
Posted by: patrick henry | January 31, 2008, 9:59 am 9:59 am
You can erase this comment all you want ABC censors – it doesn’t change the fact that Bill Clinton IS a serial sexual harasser and SHOULD police his own emissions and let grown-ups worry about the world.
Posted by: Dave Johnson | January 31, 2008, 10:00 am 10:00 am
Did you know the media began warning us of catastrophic climate change beginning in 1895?! They have alternated between cooling and warming about every 25 years since.
Posted by: INFIDEL | January 31, 2008, 10:00 am 10:00 am
Way to go Mr. President. Just what we need to do… in the wake of a recession …. slow down the economy to chase after a figment of the medias imagination. All this hype about Global Warming and its “chicken little” mentality has got to stop.
Posted by: Jeff Whitaker | January 31, 2008, 10:00 am 10:00 am
Will Bill the BUFFOON ever go away?
he is a disgrace to our great nation.
Posted by: Patrick Henry | January 31, 2008, 10:00 am 10:00 am
If we just built windmills we would create MILLIONS and MILLIONS and MILLIONS of jobs……what a DOPE!!! Bill needs to go back to screening the interns!!!
Posted by: JWJ | January 31, 2008, 10:00 am 10:00 am
Ever get the feeling that Bill is doing everything he can to make sure that Hillary loses?
I don’t think his ego will allow her to have the top job.
Posted by: Stan | January 31, 2008, 10:00 am 10:00 am
We could cut CO2 emissions by large amounts very quickly and without all of the pain everybody keeps talking about. It is called Nuclear energy and it is readily available if you remove the roadblocks to new plants. What is our problem in this country that we won’t use what is right in front of our faces and gives off no CO2. If France can get 85% of their power this way, why won’t we? You will never power this country entirely on solar and wind. You could however provide all power with nuclear. Wake up people. The Clintons want us to be citizens of the world and the US to just be a state of the UN. If they really cared about a strong soveriegn US, we would have switched to nuclear long ago. It would solve some foreign fuel dependence problems as well.
Posted by: Gene | January 31, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am
This is typical speech from the clinton camp. They have no clue to what the every day person has to do to make a living today. Nor do they really care, as long as they get to tell us what to do. It will be a sad day if people reelect the clinton family back into the white house.
Does any one ever ask what the “plan” is when they say “every one needs health care” who do you think is going to pay for that, you. Watch your paycheck go to DC first and they may send you back 25% by the time they pay for the “programs”. One tax on sales would do it no income tax, you buy you pay, you save you don’t pay its that simple.
Posted by: Mark | January 31, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am
I’m sorry, can someone please tell me why it is again that he, Sociopath Bill, and his Marxist/thief of a wife aren’t in prison right now like most would be?
Posted by: Dan | January 31, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am
Why isn’t it possible he misspoke? Because , dishonest and disgusting as his behavior is, his political savvy is second to none.
Posted by: Don | January 31, 2008, 10:02 am 10:02 am
I am the farthest thing from a Clinton supporter, but this is just plain bad reporting. He did not say what you say he said in the way you purport that he said it. Bad, bad, bad, reporting and the reason the news media has lost all credibility.
Posted by: T Logan | January 31, 2008, 10:02 am 10:02 am
Yeah, now that that the Clintons and Gores and their type have made their millions, everyone else should lower their economic expectations. These people are more loathsome with every passing day.
Posted by: Ross Odom | January 31, 2008, 10:02 am 10:02 am
I think someone should uncover the fact that Bill Clinton has been secretly seeing Monica for the past 3 years.
Then we’ll be done with the HillBillies.
Posted by: Drake | January 31, 2008, 10:02 am 10:02 am
Oddly enough, Bill Clinton IS partially correct. We do need to save the planet for our grandchildren because our current culture, fueled by our economic model of manufacturing and consumption, is literally consuming the planet. Our current way of life is unsustainable because of our reliance on limited resources such as fossil fuel and water. The earth’s population went from 3 billion people in 1960 to 6 billion in 1996. There will be 12 billion of us in a few short years, which will further strain these limited resources. We must act now.
Posted by: Toby | January 31, 2008, 10:03 am 10:03 am
Mr. Clinton needs to spend some time with the folks here in Hong Kong to truly understand how little the mainland cares about polluting the planet. In the winter this place is sometimes so polluted that you can not see across Victoia Harbor. If you want an even more complete “treat” just spend some time up in Beijing. It’s just completely unhealthy there. It’s not a great idea to slow the US economy because of the so called global warming issue.
Posted by: Dick | January 31, 2008, 10:03 am 10:03 am
Buckle up boys and girls. We’re going for a ride. Bill and Hillary are the latest 2 for 1 blue light special at Wal Mart.
Does anyone here actually believe we’re electing Hillary ? ? ?
Posted by: Bill Brady | January 31, 2008, 10:03 am 10:03 am
Scratch green hard enough and you’ll see red. If you can’t control people by taxing them, control them by limiting what they can buy.
Let’s just say there is a problem, and that we can fix it. Statements like this and over reaching policies are going to kill the movement. Wait till people get a load of the cars or the price tag for the 35mpg CAFE standards, or they start limiting the size of houses.
What was Bill talking about, “And guess what? The only places in the world today in rich countries where you have rising wages and declining inequality are places that have generated more jobs than rich countries because they made a commitment we didn’t.”
No Bill defenders? Guess that’s what happens when you hit the top of Drudge’s page.
Posted by: DoubleBubba | January 31, 2008, 10:04 am 10:04 am
It’s all about Bill! Always has been. I believe it’s called megalomania. Hillary is just a side show…
Posted by: Paul | January 31, 2008, 10:04 am 10:04 am
A few recent climate facts. The hottest year was not 1998, it was 1934. Ten of the hottest years did not occur after 1990, but 4 of the hottest years occurred before 1940. And this happened before the significant increase in CO2 emissions caused by WWII.
Since 1998 there has been no significant increase in global temperatures. Even though CO2 emissions have increased by close to 5% during the same period. The IPCC has not yet taken these facts into account in their predictions. Bill needs to do a little more research
Posted by: Russell | January 31, 2008, 10:04 am 10:04 am
Can anyone imagine the type of political masochism it would take to sign up to be her VP? You’d get more publicity and attention if you went into the Federal Witness Protection Program than you would being a VP in a Clinton Administration where Bill is the “First Gentleman”.
Re-read that last part that is in quotes. There is a segment of the democratic party so interested in being lemmings and jumping off a cliff that they are seriously considering making BILL CLINTON the country’s “First Gentleman”.
No more two-family aristocracies, Vote Obama PLEASE.
Otherwise, McCain is going to be our next president.
Posted by: Brandon | January 31, 2008, 10:06 am 10:06 am
I have always found it odd that a democrat was once on the board of one of the most successful companies in the world. The democrats I know hate corporate America and strive to live off the government. In fact, the only democrats I have personally encountered worked for the government in some capacity. They believe in entitlements instead of hard work. If you want mediocrity, bring in the unions.
Why has the media not mentioned Hillary’s past previously? It is obvious that they are now backing Obama. Have you noticed the Republicans are also backing Obama?
Posted by: Sing | January 31, 2008, 10:06 am 10:06 am
“We’re going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good”
Hillary Clinton, June 2004
Re-defeat communism, vote Republican!
Posted by: James | January 31, 2008, 10:06 am 10:06 am
Can you increase GNP while reducing production? U.S. can’t have an economy based on services, it has to create products (besides software). After all, our recent economic boom was created by Walmart shoppers (and home speculators).
Posted by: Jeff | January 31, 2008, 10:06 am 10:06 am
It’s a real shame that the morons who believe in APG won’t take the time to study the facts and absolute contradictions to the nonsense that Al Gore and the rest of the lemmings believe. These folks represent a real danger to the United States. We will always have global climate change. The fact that false data was used to support Al’s docugenda is symptomatic of an electorate that doesn’t choose to study the issues. If we did these people would be laughed off the planet
Posted by: jim campbell | January 31, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am
Global warming is a big hoax. CO2 is an essential TRACE gas. No one can produce enough of it to make a difference. It really is NOT capable of creating the effect the the pseudo scientists claim. Besides, guess what? Produce more CO2 and it stimulates more plant growth which consumes more CO2, which equalizes the balance. Also plants have a marvelous way of tempering an environment . . . keeping thing from not getting so hot, you know?
Posted by: andrew | January 31, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am
The sad thing is that there are wingnuts who do not mind if the US economy suffers all in the hopes of stemming global warming. And I’m sure the Clintons, the Gores, et al will do no such suffering living in their mansions and jetting here and there. It’s always for the “children” isn’t it? What a joke.
Posted by: Jerry | January 31, 2008, 10:08 am 10:08 am
Dont you just love the cool aid drinkers and Clinton apologists who attack Bush and conservatives rather than respond to criticism of the former president?
REASONABLE MINDS QUESTION GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE — no matter how much group think and anger is voiced to the contrary.
And as for all of the excuses made for President Clinton, remember: WORDS HAVE MEANING. Changing the subject to attack your attackers doesnt work when the words are in black and white.
Mr. Clinton can always clarify (rather than letting his apologists do it for him), but so far, he hasnt. The fact that he hasnt should mean something for all the global warming “chicken littles.”
Posted by: Dave Jones | January 31, 2008, 10:08 am 10:08 am
“LET’S SLOW DOWN OUR ECONOMY! – Hillary ’08″
Nice bumper sticker there.
Posted by: Gary | January 31, 2008, 10:09 am 10:09 am
WHAT AN IDIOT!! And the American public is going to vote for his wife???
Good Luck America…
Posted by: Jon W | January 31, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am
Bill Clinton is a Traitor! He has and is still on the Chinese payroll. God help us all if Mrs. Mini Me gets elected…
Posted by: Troy | January 31, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am
Shut up Bill, go get on your strip mining freind’s private plane and go to one of your many large homes!
Posted by: Kenneth | January 31, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am
Any Fool much less a past President of the United States OR even a “Beginning College Year # 101 want a Be and Economist “Knows you [Can’t} under any condition slow and Economy down when we are FACING A FULL BLOWN RECESSION !
Makes Ya Wonder whether or not he is trying to Sabotage Hillary in light of his last Month BLUNDERS on the Campaign tour .
Posted by: sam | January 31, 2008, 10:11 am 10:11 am
Chill Bill, I mean chill Bill. Please take him off the air, and any kind of media, he is giving me global warming headache!
Posted by: Adrianna | January 31, 2008, 10:12 am 10:12 am
YOU FOUND YOUR HOOK. Bill Clinton is perhaps suggesting that we face some stark choices. It appears obvious the US economy cannot proceed with “business as usual.” We must invest in a new energy future to keep our economy on track. Not buy more consumer goods. Maybe the headline should read “Bill Clinton believes Energy investment necssary to save our economy” –But that wouldn’t get much attention would it?
Posted by: Mark | January 31, 2008, 10:12 am 10:12 am
The only way to even start doing what he proposes is to get rid of the internal combustion engine. Big oil would just love that wouldn’t they? Until that happens Bill or anyone else talking on the subject is just wasting breath.
Posted by: Tom Canavan | January 31, 2008, 10:12 am 10:12 am
Slow our ecomony? What do we produce now? We are a consumer driven economy. This is about turning a once great superpower into just another third-world nation and we are well on the way. Don’t worry Bill, just keep the boarders open, move all the jobs overseas and help get your wife into office and you will get your wish. By the way, did you notice “global warming” has been replaced by “climate change” now that we seem to be heading into a cooling period? Wake up sheeple!
Posted by: UyeahU | January 31, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am
This is dumb. Slow the ecomony and push people out of their jobs and into financial crisis and there will be no will to even think about environmental concerns. The environmental extremists who will be pushed from power and replaced by the other extreme who ignore the environment.
We need leaders that can help us innovate and deal with the environment in a way that keeps the economy strong. You don’t do that with Jimmy Carter’s “Wear a Sweater” ideas.
Posted by: Dave | January 31, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am
Wow! I finally get it! If Hillary’s economy is bad and we all lose our jobs, that’s a good thing because we are helping avert global warming (which doesn’t exist), but if Bush screws up the economy and we all lose our jobs, that’s a bad thing because losing our job under Bush does not help avert global warming (which still doesn’t exist) I wasted all that time in engineering school when I should have gone to law school, the true fountain of knowledge!
Posted by: Wahoo Don | January 31, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am
First Man-made Global Warming is a Fraud and is being pushed to bring socialism to the US. Think about one thing the Nuts crying Global Warming never say anything about any Socialist country, just us and the other Capitalistic Countries.
What are they going to say in about 5 years when cooling will occur? Oh thats right the same thing they said in the 70′s an ice age is coming.
Think logically the earth warmed more when humans were not a thought!
But if the ice age was coming in the 70′s then with the earth warming now would it not be us coming out of the ice age.
But I regress any candidate that believes that the US should hurt it economy does not belong in government so Obama, Hilary, Edwards, McCain and so forth RESIGN NOW!!
Posted by: spock | January 31, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am
A Perfect illustration of liberal/socialist thinking. Equal or shared misery.
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”
- Winston Churchill
Bill Clinton is all for slowing the economy as long as it does not cut into his Ill-gotten fortune.
Can somebody tell me what people see in this guy or is “Life Partner” Hillary?
Posted by: AlanD | January 31, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am
Global warming is crap and it is just another example of the liberals thinking with their heart and using fear to further their agenda. The USA is not the bad guy that the left makes us out to be.It is not always our fault. How many species in the USA are on the endangered list? very few most of the threatened animals are not here. We do a pretty good job of taking care of our enviroment.
Posted by: Mike | January 31, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am
Go to China, Mexico or India where the skies are gray when the sun shines and the air smells like the inside of a paint can. I don’t think our former President travels to these manufacturing areas because it is very obvious that the USA is not the global cause or the global cure. But then again most citizens also believe that the USA is the least giving and caring country in the world.
Posted by: Pete | January 31, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am
I don’t know if Bill or Hillary thinks that slowing down the economy would be desirable if it saved the planet from (non-existent) global warming. It wouldn’t surprise me if they did, they’re both that stupid.
It’s a moot point though. No politician can ever pursue policies that would slow down the economy, because that gets them kicked out of office. Jimmy Carter for example. The stock market must go up. Inflation and unemployment must stay down. Manufacturing, housing construction, and consumer spending must go up. These are rules that every candidate must worship, even if they don’t agree with them.
Posted by: David | January 31, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am
Bill may not be the antichrist but he is for sure the anti American.
Posted by: RAH | January 31, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am
A few recent climate facts. The hottest year was not 1998, it was 1934. Ten of the hottest years did not occur after 1990, but 4 of the hottest years occurred before 1940. And this happened before the significant increase in CO2 emissions caused by WWII.
Since 1998 there has been no significant increase in global temperatures. Even though CO2 emissions have increased by close to 5% during the same period. The IPCC has not yet taken these facts into account in their predictions. Bill needs to do a little more research.
Posted by: Russell | January 31, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am
What more would you expect from Dems, who never accept the actual science and factual evidence.
Just exactly which one’s of you Dems out there, are actually ready to… reduce your income, or give up your jobs to reduce man-made “green-house gas emissions” – when virtually all objective climate scientists maintain there is absolutely no empirical evidence to support the “half-baked” theories and models of “man-made global warming constantly spouted by the loony-left?” Huh???
Well… elect Hill & Bill, or Osama Obama… or even “The McCainiac” and be prepared to “sacrafice for the greater good!”
Posted by: Ronald Reagan | January 31, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am
What more would you expect from Dems, who never accept the actual science and factual evidence.
Just exactly which one’s of you Dems out there, are actually ready to… reduce your income, or give up your jobs to reduce man-made “green-house gas emissions” – when virtually all objective climate scientists maintain there is absolutely no empirical evidence to support the “half-baked” theories and models of “man-made global warming constantly spouted by the loony-left?” Huh???
Well… elect Hill & Bill, or Osama Obama… or even “The McCainiac” and be prepared to “sacrafice for the greater good!”
Posted by: Ronald Reagan | January 31, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am
I think Bill speaks a lot of rhetoric, but he doesn’t explain exactly how his plan will somehow magically work or how the jobs will be magically created. Why should we be soft on developing countries’ emissions like India and China? Typical Clinton crock and more embarrassment to our great nation.
Posted by: Free Thinker | January 31, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am
….and then next will come mandatory population control…that way less people will be polluting the world, and the top 1% can have cloned humans to serve them while they enjoy eating, drinking, and passing gas.
Posted by: Terry | January 31, 2008, 10:23 am 10:23 am
Simply unbelievable that people want these two back in the White House. Pure definition of insanity!
Posted by: AC2 | January 31, 2008, 10:24 am 10:24 am
Mr . Clinton should then tell us why
he issued a presidental decree that placed the LOW SULFER COAL deposits in UTHA off limets. This geographical area has been discribed as a “saudi arabia” of coal. Yet single handedly he forcing utility companies to spend thier capital and passing those extra costs to consumers.
This man who “feels our pain” can be traced back to being the sorce of it.
Posted by: david wamsley | January 31, 2008, 10:24 am 10:24 am
Don’t worry if HillBilly don’t win. They’ve got an inside man in the Republican race – John McCain. He’s even more liberal and socialist that Hillary and Ted Kennedy. McCain likes to say he reaches across the aisle .. but the fact is, he was already sitting on the other side of the aisle. John McCain recently said that if the contest was him and Hillary, it would be the nicest, kindest run campaign ever. But no, can’t be nice to your so called fellow republicans. He was lying non stop yesterday. He was bad and made everyone else look bad. He’ll let Mexico continue to ran all over us. He turning this into an official socialist regime.
Posted by: Dennis | January 31, 2008, 10:25 am 10:25 am
Let’s beat up Bill day? Did not get the memo.
Posted by: Mike | January 31, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am
“And guess what? The only places in the world today in rich countries where you have rising wages and declining inequality are places that have generated more jobs than rich countries because they made a commitment we didn’t. They got serious about a clean, efficient, green, independent energy future… If you want that in America, if you want the millions of jobs that will come from it, if you would like to see a new energy trust fund to finance solar energy and wind energy and biomass and responsible bio-fuels and electric hybrid plug-in vehicles that will soon get 100 miles a gallon, if you want every facility in this country to be made maximally energy efficient that will create millions and millions and millions of jobs, vote for her. She’ll give it to you. She’s got the right energy plan.”
Has Bill Clinton ever heard of China? My lord the Chinese gave this guy millions. Now he so wants to pay them back again.
Posted by: John | January 31, 2008, 10:27 am 10:27 am
‘man-made’ global warming is the biggest crock of crap that the counter-culture has ever tried to get over on the consuming voter.
Posted by: Sanjong Thapa | January 31, 2008, 10:27 am 10:27 am
This is exactly the thinking that gobal warming alarmists use to stifle development in poor African, South American and Asian countries. They would rather see the “rich” live at a lower standard and share the misery than see poor people make efforts to elevate themselves out of sqawler. Keep a foot on the necks of the down trodden so that there is always a need and always a excuse to take from one and give to another.
Posted by: regis49 | January 31, 2008, 10:28 am 10:28 am
Hillary might want to order up a few interns for Billy Bob. This action may take his mind and mouth off the campaign. Wait, nevermind. Instead, Hillary, please let Bill speak for you at all your campaign stops.
Posted by: yuki | January 31, 2008, 10:29 am 10:29 am
It’s the Economy, stupid. Let’s scale it back, to maybe oh 1932. Then we can have the “greatest generation” again. People will get tough. No need for gyms because we won’t be eating so much. And of course when that great economic engine the American middle class is destroyed the rest of the world’s economy is toast. You just keep on thinking there Butch(Bill). That’s what you’re good at.
Please retire the Clintons from the national scene. Please.
Posted by: Richard | January 31, 2008, 10:29 am 10:29 am
Don’t forget that Bill Clinton is a cunning genius. He’s laying the foundation for his wife, if, God forbid, she’s elected POTUS, to actually boast about, and take credit for, a recession or full blown depression under her watch. That way she can proclaim that “we as Americans made the wise, albeit tough, choice of slowing our economy in order to preserve a future for our kids and grandkids”. Whereas a Republican in the White House would be blamed and excoriated for even a negative ripple in our economy, the Hildabeast is being set up to look like a visionary for actually having the wherewithal and courage to actually facilitate a gearing-down of the U.S. economy! Instead of taking blame, she will take a bow. Pure evil. And mindless idiots (a.k.a. Clinton Worshippers) everywhere will believe her! Children reading by candlelight will be proclaimed national heroes. May God have mercy on us all.
Posted by: J.J. | January 31, 2008, 10:33 am 10:33 am
This is so insane…We have a political party (Democrats) that will indulge the ecco-nuts while China builds EVERY DAY a coal burning plant that uses 70′s emissions technology.
Posted by: A Rosario | January 31, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am
Hillary Clinton is extremely dangerous and Bill Clinton is a total slime ball. American does not deserve these two self-serving liars in any elected office nor anywhere near the levers of power. What type of people are supporting this duo?
Posted by: JonSE | January 31, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am
Bill!
You reduce global emissions by increasing manufacturing efficiency. Simply put, you use less energy to make goods and services. You cannot turn the lights off and send everyone home. When you send everyone home it is call a depression.
Please stop reading Al Gore’s book. Your are confusing yourself.
Posted by: BILL5321 | January 31, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am
Brasil and China are poor? What? Hey, Bill, keep on keeping on by acting as an advisor to your husband Hillary’s campaign. Your misogynistic ways will ensure she goes down in flames.
And why does anyone actually take her seriously? I mean it. How does being married to Bill qualify her to run anything? 30 years of experience? What experience, watching her husband go around sleeping with other women? I’ll give Hillzilla this–she’s certainly qualified to appear on Jerry Springer, maybe one of his White Trash White House specials. And she’s ugly. And her voice makes my appendix hurt. And she’s fake. And she has no policies. Oh, there’s socialized medicine, which she tried once and is still ridiculed. Keep in mind that the so-called civilized countries in which socialized medicine has been attempted are now trying to eliminate it because IT DOESN’T WORK. And further, to all you morons who support this, who do you think pays for socialized medicine? Um…everyone. Yep, it’s not free. This is lunacy.
Posted by: Gunny Hartman | January 31, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am
Bill Clinton shows (again) that he has no substance, that he is nothing but a slick con man – and even at that he can fool only those who don’t pay attention.
Unfortunately there are a lot of people like that around nowadays. P.T. Barnum was right – he just underestimated the frequency.
Posted by: Not Chicken Little | January 31, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am
It’s true that when you look at what Bill actually said he wasn’t saying that he thought slowing the economy *is* his solution, at least not in so many words. The reason so many people have responded so vigorously to it is that it looks like a trial balloon and we can easily believe that slowing the economy is well within his realm of acceptable “solutions”.
Free markets and capitalism create wealth because they promote the efficient use of resources and award innovation much better than any government program. Everybody will become more energy efficient as energy costs rise without any government intervention at all if we let free markets work. When everybody wants to buy hybrid vehicles, GM, Ford, Toyata, etc. will be happy to build and sell them – and whoever figures out the most efficient way to do this will be rewarded with profits and market share. Whoever comes up with “solutions” that don’t work will go out of business. Look how fast corn ethanol plants have been built once it became profitable to do so (through gov’t distortion of the market, in this case). Many of these problems will solve themselves if we let them.
Posted by: Brad | January 31, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am
This is easy to figure out. Team Clinton is pandering for an Al Gore endorsement. The Obama camp has already gotten two heavyweight Dem endorsements, John Kerry and Ted Kennedy. The other two are Al Gore and head of the DNC, Howard Dean. Thus the global warming mention.
Posted by: Charles | January 31, 2008, 10:37 am 10:37 am
Ignorance is the most expensive luxury we indulge ourselves in. The facts are there is NO alternative to fossil fuels except nuclear power and of course I’ll probably go to jail for even mentioning that.
Alcohol is a great fuel EXCEPT; it costs all most as much total energy to produce it than it yields; just the few 1/100s% of our total energy need we produce now (government subsidized to make it look economic) is driving up world wide food costs puting the developing world in jeopardy of mass starvation; it would take a farm the size of the entire state of Kalifornia (if not more) to generate the necessary vegetation feed stock; there already is a fresh water shortage panic, think what it would be if we go into full methanol production!!
HYDROGEN IS NOT AN ENERGY SOURCE!!!! It is an energy transport mechanism exactly as electricity. You need to spend a LOT of energy (Nuclear would be a good source) to generate it. Only viable source for hydrogen today is reformed natural gas and you know what prices are on that now and of course that generates a lot of free carbon and CO2 which is evil.
Solar, geothermal, hydro, and wind are milliwatt sources and will never be significant or competitive.
Even nulcear, the second best alternative, would require a HUGE infrastructure investment. A university study recently concluded the US would need 600 new nuclear plants to replace a significant portion of current hydrocarbon fuel use. We haven’t built one new one in 30 years.
Posted by: Jeff | January 31, 2008, 10:37 am 10:37 am
It must be accepted as fact that a “cap and trade” system or one simmilar will be instituted by the next president much to the detriment of the country and our economy. The financial institutions that really drive this country and its economy have already moved the pieces on the board into position to create the next bubble, thereby generating fantastic wealth for those on the inside and the ones who recognize the opportunity and have the foresight to jump ship at the market zenith. The internet bubble of the late 90′s is an outstanding reference.
The democratric nominees will argue for a restrictive program due to flawed reasoning and emotional belief. McCain subscribes to the philosophy I can only assume due to a lack of understanding or basic science or a debt to someone who rendered assistance during his long political career. Either way, rest assured that the next four years are critical for the prosperous future of this country and sadly the leading candidates are most certainly not up to the task.
Posted by: Paul | January 31, 2008, 10:38 am 10:38 am
Manu, you wrote: “this is yet another anti-clinton post…it only hurts our nation.” The old cliche is “sometimes the truth hurts.”
Even if the alarmists, like Al Gore, are correct (that the root cause of global warming is manmade, greenhouse gas emissions), the changes that they are proposing (cutting greenhouse gas emissions to 5% of the 1990 levels) are really too small to make a significant change.
I have three questions for the global warming alarmists:
(1) If man is causing the warmup here on Earth, then how do we explain the fact that ALL of the planets in our solar system are going through a warming phase?
(2) If it’s greenhouse emissions that are causing global warming, how did our planet get in and out of the previous ice ages before fossil fuels were even developed?
(3) If the Earth is really warming like the alarmists say, how do we explain the fact that we still have many records set for all-time low temperatures?
Posted by: James Danley | January 31, 2008, 10:38 am 10:38 am
This is America, don’t EVER tell ME how to live.
Posted by: KansasGirl | January 31, 2008, 10:41 am 10:41 am
You liberals out there that beleive in manmade global warming are nuts! Who are you to say that the planet’s temperature is ideal at this point in time anyways and that we NEED to control it? Can’t you adapt to the environment like all of human history has before your life or are you to special for that? The earth is always cooling and warming – check a thing called history. We were all going to die from the ice age a while back according to you all and now we are all going to burn alive! We breath out CO2 for God’s sake. If you liberals would shut up that might help your cause if you really beleive this crap.
Posted by: Oh my goodness | January 31, 2008, 10:41 am 10:41 am
“Perhaps he mis-spoke. . .”
No. He spoke the true intentions of Clinton Inc. and ABC News makes excuses for him and his wife Hillary (not Rodham) Clinton.
Posted by: The Outlander | January 31, 2008, 10:43 am 10:43 am
so Billary wants to slow down our economy so that China and Russia can continue to grow? guess that’s why they want open borders and cheap Mexican laborers and voters. the Democrats are so out of touch with reality, having jets and hotels and expensive meals all paid for by fat cat liberal elite contributors — if the economy slows, will the rich men and women who pay for everything the Clintons have and do be able to continue providing for their care and feeding? of course — it’s always somebody else’s money with Democrat politicians. not a one of them has ever worked or been personally responsible for meeting the very government obligations imposed by Democrats — health insurance, unemployment, minimum wage etc etc.
Posted by: Jack Wilson | January 31, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am
If Mr.Clinton is so concered about the
enviorment he should be able to share
with the american people why he issued a presidental decree that prevented
the low sulfer coal fields in utah
(1996) ?
from being mined for the low sulfer
coal there. There are only 3 areas in the world where this low sulfer coal
exists. Deep in the Amazon, Utah &
in a area controld by a banking group
in indonisia.
Our electric utilities
were forced to spend billions to
remove sulfer from coal fired
generating stations. Is there any
doubt that these costs were passes
on to the consumer?
Does Mr. clinton feel my pain, i don’t
think so, only because he caused so
much of it.
Posted by: wamsley | January 31, 2008, 10:47 am 10:47 am
A man who will never have to worry where his next paycheck is coming from or whether he’ll have a pension, health care, a roof over his head or food on the table telling the rest of us to make sacrifices and do with less. He feels our pain….
Posted by: James | January 31, 2008, 10:47 am 10:47 am
Even the founder of the Weather Channel, John Coleman, stated that Global Warming, (or the new catch phrase “man made Climate Change” is a scam.
As much as I hate to say this, talk radio had this one right. The socialists/communists from the 1960′s culture “revolution” are now the ones driving this “environmental” movement. This is not about the environment. It is a about their lust for power to tell us how we should live our lives.
Posted by: Fernao de Magalhaes | January 31, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am
It’s time we lay it on the line to the politicians. The people know that man caused global warming is a scam and any politician that refuses to repudiate global warming should be put on notice that we intend to vote them out.
Posted by: William Hofmeister | January 31, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am
Amazing. What a complete fool. Given what we’re going through right now, his sense of timing is superb.
Similar to the Bush dynasty, what we’re witnessing is an end to the Clinton political dynasty. What is it they say about all great societies crumbling from within?
Posted by: Steve B | January 31, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am
C’mon… he’s trying to torpedo candidacy. He can get more tail outside the White House than in.
Posted by: Bill | January 31, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am
I think this comment is going to hurt Hillary if it gets enough attention. The last thing our economy needs is a “slow down”. I don’t think that is what America wants to hear right now. At the same time, the only way this will get blown out of the water is if Fox News takes the story and shows America what we will get ourselves into if Hillary is elected. This is surprising that this story is on an ABC website, you’d think they would hide this story because it hurts the Dems. God knows ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN would hurt the Democrats, everyone knows that the only news station to do that is Fox News. Come on people, use your minds, open your thoughts to this global warming scare tactics that the Democrats are using. They always say it is “man made” when that is completely untrue. If we have any part in climate change it is extremely small, I’m not saying we don’t have to change things with fossil fuels, our main reason for going green is to stop terrorism. Global Warming is mostly caused by sunspots, if you do not believe me check out this book of compiled resources, it’s called “Unstoppable Global Warming”. This book is the Democrats worst nightmare for Global Warming
Posted by: Dom | January 31, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am
There is no such thing as global warming, no matter how many people lie about it.
Posted by: Howard | January 31, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am
Rite Howie.
Scientific fact is not a matter of a majority vote.
Posted by: Aerospace Snorpht, Man of many Degrees and a Keilbasa Like a Polack Mooses' | January 31, 2008, 10:56 am 10:56 am
Well since I have been given my 60 day notice where I work – because it can be done better and cheaper in India (Riiight). I will do my part to help slow down the economy. I will no longer buy non-essential items, go on vacations, and go to resturants. I may even have to cut back on my cable service. I hope all of this helps fight global warming! BTW it’s cold as *BEEP* outside. I’m sure it will warm up by May.
Posted by: John | January 31, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am
Excuse me???? Am I missing something here??? Just how did America lose its wealth and prestige,throughout the world? This nonsense about slowing down our “economy” is just another example of our “plutocracy at work” after all,its that Global Plantation we’re now all living in,and these Global Masters know exactly whats coming next! You don’t honestly believe that the Dreaded Left or War-Winging Right can alter the course we’re on,do you?
Posted by: Norm Ezzie | January 31, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am
Bill Clinton is a complete idiot! How does he and Al Gore explain global warming during the end of the last ice age?
Posted by: RDP | January 31, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am
Though I disdain virtually everything about our serial philandering Ex. Pres, I never thought him stupid.
Until now.
Posted by: Tex Taylor | January 31, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am
No, it doesn’t beg the question. It *raises* the question. Begging the question is quite specifically a logical fallacy. But apparently fewer and fewer people these days know the difference, or care, including reporters who should know better. That goes for the proper use of an em dash, too.
Posted by: Clint Hayes | January 31, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am
To quote my late uncle, a former Democratic state senator, Gov pro tem…
“If you were to wade through Bill Clinton’s deepest convictions, you wouldn’t even get your feet wet.”
Posted by: Rich | January 31, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am
Bill Clinton is finally losing it bigtime. And, he and his wife are very likely going to be President again. This is getting way beyond scary.
Posted by: David Baker | January 31, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am
For anyone that agrees with Clinton, your job first.
Posted by: Jack Barnett | January 31, 2008, 11:01 am 11:01 am
If you guys would try to understand what he says instead of jumping the gun cause you hate the Clintons. The man is just too intelligent for his own good.
Posted by: Michel | January 31, 2008, 11:02 am 11:02 am
HOW CO2 OFFSET WORKS
Carbon offsets are a strange concept. Let me show you in layman terms how it works: Al Gore goes to an Italian restaurant and eats a loaf of garlic bread, a plate of lasagna, a bowl of spaghetti and meatballs, an extra large pizza with seven toppings, a couple bottles of expensive wine and a large assortment of pastries. As a result, he puts on 10 pounds. But he is deeply concerned that mankind is getting too fat. So he pays 10 peasants in Asia $10 each to eat nothing for a week.
Although they are already skinny, by starving themselves for a week, they each lose a pound. As a result, after a week, mankind is weight neutral. Al Gore weighs 10 pounds more, 10 Asians weigh 10 pounds less — and Al Gore is given another Nobel Propaganda Prize for his leadership in keeping mankind’s obesity in check.
Of course, this example is not quite fair to Gore because that imagined humanitarianism actually costs him cash money. In the real carbon offset business, he looks forward to being paid for directing other carbon consumers to invest in carbon neutral projects through Generation Investment Management which Gore is the founder and chairman. So Gore will profit from mankind’s misery. I’m glad to see he finally has developed the capitalist instinct (like his daddy did with Occidental Petroleum and Armand Hammer). When Gore personally is using carbon, as when he flies in a carbon belching Gulfstream jet, one of his companies would pay some other guy not to fly or plant a tree or do something to offset Gore’s carbon belching so that Gore can feel elated about himself and live as he wants.
Under the TRILLION DOLLAR Kyoto Protocol’s trading scheme to determine the offset of emissions and the amount of CO2 that needs to be paid for will be controlled by the same organization that controlled the pittance BILLION DOLLAR Iraqi Food for Oil SCAM with Saddam, the anti-America/anti-capitalist
corrupt United Nations!!!
Socialist French President Jacques Chirac said in 2000 the UN’s Kyoto Protocol represented “the first component of an authentic global governance.”
Posted by: Benton Bain | January 31, 2008, 11:02 am 11:02 am
Remember that Willie and his elitist liberal pals could easily afford to pay $250 dollars a gallon for gasoline.
So, when he looks for ‘sacrifice’ he does not mean either himself or the other liberal elitists.
He means you.
PETA, for example wants to put an excise tax on all meat. If they get their way meat prices will increase.
Do willie and his pals care? Nah, they could afford to pay $300 a pound for meat.
Sacrifice to a liberal means you sacrifice, not them.
Posted by: partick henry | January 31, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am
Let us just suppose the sky is actually falling this time….wouldn’t it be more prudent to stimulate an economy so that new technology could be brought to bear on such a problem? Would he have us go back to coal oil and wood fires? Are all Democrats this stupid or just the people they follow?
Posted by: Hubbell | January 31, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am
We can save the planet for our children by keeping that nut the hell out of the White House.
Posted by: David S | January 31, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am
James let us not forget that the Campaign Money that those Indonisian Banker pumped into him. and suddenly there was a huge increase in coal purchases from that region… Wow I wonder if there was some sort of deal in place? Then when Bush resended the act that made that area a national park and allowed us to extract coal again he was portrayed as a threat to the environment.
P.S. TO ALL: They have just shown that there is volcanic activity under the great northern ice cap and the reason there is melting is because lava is flowing under the cap and melting it from the bottom. Man made Climate change is Bogus!!!
Posted by: Matthew | January 31, 2008, 11:07 am 11:07 am
Did it occur to anyone what Bill actually meant ?
He is right, but everyone is caught up in “sensational” linguistic misinterpretation, to notice.
We have to slow down the *resource consumption* of our economy, he is speaking in terms of “system models”, albeit lacking linguistic conciseness.
IE:
Instead of designing cars to be obsolete every 5 years (As it was in the 70′s), make them last longer…
(the design revolution of the 90′s)
It does result in less (numerical) car sales, but the quality of the car, and hence price, goes up balancing the equation… and the strain on resources, goes down.
(Less steel, heat, smoke, etc..)
* sheesh *
Give even the -hint- of blood in the water, and the sharks frenzy.
Posted by: Enviro Scientist | January 31, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am
The objective is always to be (seen)on both side of an issue……faux to their very core.
Both Hillary and Bill are skeevey pant loads…….skidmarks on the American political highway.
Posted by: New Canaan Independent | January 31, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am
Remember according to the MSM, that’s you ABC, Bill Clinton was our greatest, blackest President and Hillary Rodham the world’s smartest woman?
Seems only yesterday…and in this case, the wheels of justice appear to be grinding rather quickly.
Posted by: Tex Taylor | January 31, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am
Tell me this bozo won’t try to run the White House if Hillary were elected.
Posted by: J Thunder | January 31, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am
The reason so many are denying global warming is that they fear its ability to slow economies and erode national sovereignty. Limbaugh pretents that global warming is a “hoax” perpetrated by the Left–I don’t think he believes that for one minute.
Posted by: the professor | January 31, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am
It is awful that leaders with so much power could be swayed by these global warming alarmists. Is man-made global warming really occurring? Maybe. Does it make sense to immediately spend billions of dollars in attempts to slightly change the temperature? Maybe, but probably not. Let’s just take it easy and study the issue further. OK?
Posted by: RP | January 31, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am
If we end up with Hillary or a Republican in the office, I think I’m moving the family to Canada.
Posted by: Dingodude | January 31, 2008, 11:09 am 11:09 am
He clearly didn’t say that their plan was to slow down the economy to solve the climate crisis. He said the key was to solve the climate crisis without slowing down the economy.
There is no controversy here, except lazy journalists reading something into a speech that isn’t there when you consider the context of his remark.
I’m not a fan of the Clintons, but the reaction to this is rediculous and a direct result of lousy reporting/headline writing.
Posted by: Paul | January 31, 2008, 11:09 am 11:09 am
Come people, you all know Bill say something and always means something else. Remember it depends on what the meaning of “IS” is? So lets, give Bill the chance to explain what he meant by that comment.
And after that Bill, you need to shut up and go home .
Posted by: Jay | January 31, 2008, 11:11 am 11:11 am
At least Bill didn’t accuse Obama of having the same global warming plan as Jesse Jackson.
Posted by: karen | January 31, 2008, 11:12 am 11:12 am
The only reason for Bill to say something this stupid might be to lay groundwork for Hill to pick Algore for her vp. Could the republicans be that lucky?
Posted by: jim | January 31, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am
Yea Billy Boy, lets slow down the economy. Great idea. On the brink of recession lets just shut down some factories and lay off a million or so workers so greenhouse gases will go down a touch and you can breathe a little easier and sleep a little better while you make your 500,000 a speech or whatever it is. Just shut up, registered as a sex offender and crawl back under that rock.
Posted by: Osama Obama | January 31, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am
Here are to quotes that are appropriate for this discussion. I hope you like them.
“It costs more to run for office than an honest man can afford to pay.” — Montgomery Burns
“People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues.” — George Will
Posted by: INDEPENDENT | January 31, 2008, 11:16 am 11:16 am
Is it possible that this fraud and his harpy wife will ever just be quiet and go back to the trailer park from whence they come. No, I don’t suppose it is.
Posted by: Randy | January 31, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am
Can’t people read more than headlines? Even the RNC can’t read the full speech!
Clinton said we could do that or we could become enviromently friendly creating millions of green jobs and so on! Geez people read before you speak!
Posted by: me | January 31, 2008, 11:20 am 11:20 am
I can’t believe this headline is still posted here. It is terrible reporting. Bill did NOT suggest slowing the economy. He said it as a strawman alternative and then KNOCKED IT DOWN in favor of transitioning to a sustainable, greener economy which would gain jobs.
I also can’t believe all the fools commenting on this who obviously did not read the full text of the article.
Posted by: Chris | January 31, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am
“We Just Have to Slow Down Our Economy”
Definitely a quote worthy of a Nobel Peace Prize!
Posted by: Tex Taylor | January 31, 2008, 11:22 am 11:22 am
Can someone explain what this sentence means?:
“The only places in the world today in rich countries where you have rising wages and declining inequality are places that have generated more jobs than rich countries because they made a commitment we didn’t.”
Posted by: John in DC | January 31, 2008, 11:22 am 11:22 am
Sounds to me like the Clintons have a few issues…
Posted by: Da Bare Facts | January 31, 2008, 11:23 am 11:23 am
Hey Bubba! Slow down your own economy. Leave mine alone
Posted by: Hank | January 31, 2008, 11:24 am 11:24 am
There is no contradiction in explaining that a good energy plan will create good jobs, but that in the short term we’ll take an economic hit. Of course, bringing promising practices – more solar panels, windmills, harnessing hydro and wave power, forestry waste, municipal waste etc – to market will be cost intensive at first. but the Stern Report and the IPCC assessements clearly indicate that the economy will improve based on the jobs needed to replace the old centralized energy systems that are slowly decaying. And replacing these old systems – nuclear, fossil fuel, coal , and the centralized electricity grid system – with a new distributed energy system only makes sense in the long run. It will cost $350 – 500 TRILLION to constantly fix the old system over the next 20-30 years. It will cost just as much to revamp the old system over the same amount of time. Only someone completely unaware of the potential devastation of climate change and relying on oil (we’re within 15 yrs of peak oil) & dirty coal would see this as a contradiction. but then again, a new energy era isn’t something that you can explain in a glib 6 o’clock news soundbyte, or for that matter, post in a comment on a blog. so i’ll stop here for now…
Posted by: just being rational | January 31, 2008, 11:32 am 11:32 am
The World is warming and their isn’t a damn thing anyone can do about it
Posted by: BTW | January 31, 2008, 11:33 am 11:33 am
In March of 2007, MIT’s John Deutch wrote the following in a Trilateral Commission paper:
“…in the absence of an extended global recession, there appears
to be no diminution in the pace of increase of world oil consumption.”
Although this statement is flawed, perhaps Bill Clinton is trying to win the approval of the Trilateral Commission. If so, ask yourself, “Why?”.
Posted by: Jim | January 31, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am
The only fair reading of what Bill Clinton actually said in full is that slowing down the economy is NOT the right way to reduce global warming. He says we COULD slow down the economy but that won’t work. Instead: “The only way we can do this is if we get back in the world’s fight against global warming and prove it is good economics that we will create more jobs to build a sustainable economy that saves the planet for our children and grandchildren.”
This view is supported by an important recent study by the business consulting firm
The only surprising thing is that Bill Clinton wasn’t more clear. Whatever you think of him, he is usually much better at communicating.
Posted by: Dan Lashof | January 31, 2008, 11:35 am 11:35 am
Can you believe the right wing baloney ?
Calling Bill and Hillary Clinton communists ?
Uh, there IS an American President that is funding the economy with communist money,
from China itself, no less.
His name is Bush.
That isn’t “conspiracy theory”, it is cold hard fact. Isn’t it amazing that the Right wingers all accuse their opponents of their own sins ?
Projection, at best.
Posted by: Mr Obvious | January 31, 2008, 11:35 am 11:35 am
The US needs to pay for all the damage we have brought to the world. Only Democrats undrestand America causes most of the worlds problems and Bill just spoke truth to power. Long live Bill and Hillary. We must follow them and not ask questions. The world needs our help so we must vote for CHANGE and vote for Clinton!!!!!!!!1
Bill Clinton was a better prez then all others combined!!!!!!
I HATE all COMSERVATIVES and military people. They are dumb.
Posted by: cris | January 31, 2008, 11:36 am 11:36 am
kate snow spectacular? she looks like any other boring blonde.
Posted by: marc | January 31, 2008, 11:37 am 11:37 am
The US needs to pay for all the damage we have brought to the world. Only Democrats undrestand America causes most of the worlds problems and Bill just spoke truth to power. Long live Bill and Hillary. We must follow them and not ask questions. The world needs our help so we must vote for CHANGE and vote for Clinton!!!!!!!!1
Bill Clinton was a better prez then all others combined!!!!!!
I HATE all COMSERVATIVES and military people. They are dumb.
Posted by: cris | January 31, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am
All politics aside – did anyone edit this article? I don’t mean to get off the subject, but let’s consider the following:
Former President Bill Clinton was in Denver, Colorado, stumping for his wife yesterday.
In a long, and interesting speech, he characterized what the U.S. and other industrialized nations need to do to combat global warming this way: “We just have to slow down our economy and cut back our greenhouse gas emissions ’cause we have to save the planet for our grandchildren.”
You probably noticed, immediately, that the first comma in the second paragraph is random and unnecessary. And the end of the statement, pre-quote, reads “in this way,” but he had not clarified the way meant before making the statement. And that is a very silly thing to do.
I am an editor, and am disappointed that ABC News would post this article without having someone properly read and correct it. I am also concerned that those handling this news can’t code in an n-dash –.
Posted by: LJ | January 31, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am
A silly report, as usual, from a hopelessly superficial and naive press. Although it’s true that global warming alarmism has trumped sound thinking Bill Clinton’s legitimate point was that it costs about 1-2% of GDP to slow warming. Most people in the world favor that approach (I don’t). But Clinton’s statement reflects economic sophistication on the issue. Growth or expensive environmental fixes? Only *naive* people think we’ll be able to do both. We won’t.
Posted by: Joe Duck | January 31, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am
This article is sill and one dimensional. Using the words ‘slow down our economy’ can mean a million different things. One – certain high polluting industries are going to have short term reduced gros economic activity when they are slapped with regulatory measures to curb their carbon outputs; however, in the jump to new energy sources, and new technologies for reducing carbon emissions, jobs are going to be created. It’s called first mover advantage in this inevitable field. And the sooner it happens, the better for everyone’s economic security.
And thats just one way of characterizing that comment. American popular media is so terribly one dimensional in their analysis of anything.
Posted by: Jeremy | January 31, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am
The only reason for Bill to say something this stupid might be to lay groundwork for Hill to pick Algore for her vp. Could the republicans be that lucky?
YOU ARE ALMOST RIGHT!!!
I BELIEVE THAT HE’S HOPING TO NAB
AL GORE’S ENDORSEMENT!!!!
JOHN
Posted by: John | January 31, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am
Bill Clinton is what is wrong with this country. No matter what the meaning of the word is….is.
The globe worms up a notch every time he opens his mouth.
Posted by: Beau Philips | January 31, 2008, 11:40 am 11:40 am
Mike,
Try to stick with facts. In Clinton’s eight years there was no recession. None. It started in Bushes first term, no matter what Hannity tells you. Just check the govs own website. I know it’s too much work for you.
Mike, are you trying to tell me that the Dow didn’t more than triple under Clinton? The government actually balanced a budget under Clinton- remember that? There is simply no comparison between the results that Clinton and Bush have given us.
Waco? I thought you rightwingers wanted to punish criminals. Isn’t that why you ignore the kids being killed in Iraq? Clinton killed the kids at Waco- hahahahahahah. Another beauty from a rightwing idiot.
How’s that hunt for Bin Laden going Mike. Don’t worry, Hillary or Barack will get him. Don’t expect “no results” Bush to get him.
Posted by: Yed Rhapse | January 31, 2008, 11:41 am 11:41 am
Changing over from fossil fuels to cleaner energy doesn’t necessarily mean shrinking the economy. In fact, it could be a boon. Bill’s assertion is playing right into the hands of cynical ideologues and capitalist-apologist fearmongers like Limbaugh and Hannity.
Have we ever had a more cynical pair than Bill and Hill? A satirical take on both, subtitled “A Gremlin In His Goober,” can be found here:
Posted by: dictatortot | January 31, 2008, 11:42 am 11:42 am
This nation is going to be judged. Harshly, I might add!!! And really, it truly is high time for American people who have lived so wantonly, so greedily, so ignorant politically of their rulers and their government to really suffer from their own stupidity. Americans are a people who have turned away and abandoned their God, their creed, and their values, they are a people who are morally and sexually perverted and have destroyed millions of other lives around the world only for their own lust and gains. Now as we face the future Americans shall indeed be the bearers of incalculable and unbelievable economic hardships as their nest eggs are cleaned out and there money devalued. The middle class will literally be wiped out financially bringing this once former great nation to her knees until she surrenders the rest of her liberties to the political and corporate elitists that the American people have allowed run their lives for so long. Stick a fork in this nation – she’s done!
Posted by: Bad News For You | January 31, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am
Good grief; the drive-by media REALLY wants Obama to win the nomination. Bill’s a dimwit – no doubt and I’m sure Hillary loved to hear Monica’s ex-boyfriend express his opinion that the economy should slow down. Now hear this America – GLOBAL WARMING IS A HOAX SO LEFTISTS CAN TAKE YOUR MONEY. Until the public understands that global warming is a concoction of the market-hating left we are going to be saddled with comments like the one Bubba made.
Posted by: John in Tulsa | January 31, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am
John,
You mean Al Gore, the Council on Foreign Relations member? The puzzle pieces are falling into place…
Posted by: jim | January 31, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am
RE: Tapper said: “I don’t really think there’s much debate that, at least initially, a full commitment to reduce greenhouse gases would slow down the economy….So was this a moment of candor?”
First of all, Mr. Tapper, while from time to time you’ll hear a Republican (and a few D’s like Clinton) make that statement, there’s been no public debate on the subject. Why? Our entire mainstream media will not allow for discussion — the theme of the media is their agenda – cut the greenhouse gases, no matter what – “there is no debate.” Same for Immigration reform. Serious immigration reform, like Sen. Reid proposed in 1993, and the Father of Earth Day Sen. Nelson envisioned and echoed by Clinton’s Commission chair, the late Barbara Jordan, would do more to reduce greenhouse gases, and overnight, than anything else on the table.
The economic side effect of implementing enough greenhouse gas emissions to cause a notable effect on the climate in any period of time less than 50 years, would in fact wreck havok on our economy and economies around the globe. Millions more people will die from kneejerk reactions to simply reduce greenhouse gas emissions, than from any man assisted impact on the climate may or may not cause.
Mr. Tapper – please find me one question from a mainstream journalist conducting interviews of the candidates in which they ask the candidate, “What are your thoughts on how serious the economic impacts would be on the US if we move too quickly, or in the wrong direction in addressing greenhouse gases emissions?”
There is no debate Mr. Tapper. Our media is not interested an any debate about substance.
Posted by: forparity | January 31, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am
RE: Tapper said: “I don’t really think there’s much debate that, at least initially, a full commitment to reduce greenhouse gases would slow down the economy….So was this a moment of candor?”
First of all, Mr. Tapper, while from time to time you’ll hear a Republican (and a few D’s like Clinton) make that statement, there’s been no public debate on the subject. Why? Our entire mainstream media will not allow for discussion — the theme of the media is their agenda – cut the greenhouse gases, no matter what – “there is no debate.” Same for Immigration reform. Serious immigration reform, like Sen. Reid proposed in 1993, and the Father of Earth Day Sen. Nelson envisioned and echoed by Clinton’s Commission chair, the late Barbara Jordan, would do more to reduce greenhouse gases, and overnight, than anything else on the table.
The economic side effect of implementing enough greenhouse gas emissions to cause a notable effect on the climate in any period of time less than 50 years, would in fact wreck havok on our economy and economies around the globe. Millions more people will die from kneejerk reactions to simply reduce greenhouse gas emissions, than from any man assisted impact on the climate may or may not cause.
Mr. Tapper – please find me one question from a mainstream journalist conducting interviews of the candidates in which they ask the candidate, “What are your thoughts on how serious the economic impacts would be on the US if we move too quickly, or in the wrong direction in addressing greenhouse gases emissions?”
There is no debate Mr. Tapper. Our media is not interested an any debate about substance.
Posted by: forparity | January 31, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am
Funny thing is that you liberals might really believe in what you are saying..which is actually scary. Nobody can be that stupid, nobody!!!
Posted by: Beau Philips | January 31, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am
After reading these posts it’s pretty obvious that the USA needs a mean dog Civil War. That gets the bad blood out and restores civility to a culture.
Posted by: Observer | January 31, 2008, 11:47 am 11:47 am
BILL NEEDS TO SLOW HIS MOUTH DOWN.
Posted by: Jedsil | January 31, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am
Well now, that ought to help out the fledgling economy won’t it?
Let me see…economic stimulus pkg…slowing down the economy. Yep that works real good together.
Posted by: Texan for Obama | January 31, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am
Your kidding ?
Can you believe some of these people believe that global warming is a HOAX ?
Did you know that the Netherlands, in a land mark court case, discovered that Exxon was spending *literally* over a 100 million a year, on “bad science scientists” to smoke screen their impact on global warming, and its very existence ?
The Judge ordered them to stop, or face expulsion from the country. I kid you not. They have better than average scientists over there… they left them no room to hide.
Now if we had only done that to the cigarette companies, millions would be alive today that aren’t.
So, next time you hear “global warming is a hoax” remember, that viewpoint bought and paid for by Exxon.
Posted by: Your Kidding | January 31, 2008, 11:49 am 11:49 am
Clinton #1 was bad enough-
Clinton #2 will be worse-
If thats what the Democrats think they want as “co-presidents” again– take a deep breath– and go Republican– at least they know how to take care of our country
Posted by: SAL | January 31, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am
I hope the Republicans milk this for all it’s worth.
Finally, someone admits the agenda behind the whole ‘global warming’ hysteria.
Posted by: gbj11 | January 31, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am
Bill Clinton finally showing what a complete nimrod he is. All you people who are uninformed and gullible enough to believe in global warming all need to sell your cars, TVs, microwaves, computers, etc., and disconnect your electricity and gas. Comon, show a little leadership and put your money where your mouth is.
Posted by: K. West | January 31, 2008, 11:51 am 11:51 am
“God forbid that us Americans should consider anything other than our own economic welfare — even at the cost of our own future. The comments here indicate terminal myopia to a laughable extreme. BTW: Bill never drove our economy into the ground — that I believe is some dude named Bush.” Posted by Tony.
The downturn in the econpmy started with Clinton in office and was deepened by the 9/11 terrorist attacks, which probably could have been avoided had Clinton taken care of Osama when he had the chance. By the way, 52 straight months of job growth sounds like an expanding economy to me. The reason we are in the current mess is because of greedy mortgage lenders and ill-advised or just as greedy real estate investors. Trying to fix this problem will only make it worse. The Federal government should stay clear and let it shake out on its own.
Posted by: David | January 31, 2008, 11:53 am 11:53 am
It just prove how stupid this mand and his wife really are.
Posted by: Moishe Goldstein | January 31, 2008, 11:54 am 11:54 am
What if, say, Bill and Hillary would both simply shut up. The emission of dangerous, toxic gases into the atmosphere would be greatly reduced and the rest of us could turn on the television, log into the Internet, or listen to the radio without the sick feeling that we have to take a shower. As to “slowing the economy,” perhaps Bill would like to return the millions he’s made on the dog-and-pony show circuit making huge piles of money eloquently sharing his divine insights into everything from the global warming farce to political ethics (!).
Posted by: MDWhite | January 31, 2008, 11:54 am 11:54 am
This is another lie about President Clinton. Did you guys ever hear of reading the entire quote instead of taking him out of context. Of course not!
Posted by: Alan | January 31, 2008, 11:54 am 11:54 am
He can’t be serious. Taking money out of the public and private sectors by “drawing down our economy” would be foolhardy to the extreme. It doesn’t even make sense from a liberal point of view — a slower economy means fewer tax dollars coming in and reduction in the scope of government. Regardless of your point of view, slowing the economy means fewer jobs and lower income for all/most/many — how does that help anyone?
Posted by: Killer of Giants | January 31, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
Let me ask you rightwingers something.
Why don’t you guys get angry that your President hasn’t avenged the 9/11 attacks. Why do you accept that “he’s in Pakistan” as they say, and that our forces are in Iraq instead of going after Bin Laden and his thugs?
In 2000 I was neither right nor left, Republican nor Democrat, but the hypocrisies of the right wing have pushed me way to the left.
Seriously, why the hell aren’t we going after Bin Laden? When is the last time Bush mentioned him? Why is it considered “good” for the Republicans whenever Bin Laden “scares” us by sending out a threatening video? The Republicans sure as hell aren’t going after him.
You can bet old Osama will come through for the Republicans with an October video release- on cue.
Posted by: Ted Rhapse | January 31, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
I am convinced no one but myself (including the so-called author) actually READ the entire article.
If anyone had read the “But if we did that,” paragraph that followed the headline statement, he or she would know how ridiculous this article is.
Read it! This has been taken so out of context…
Posted by: lillian | January 31, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am
This is another lie about President Clinton. Did you guys ever hear of reading the entire quote instead of taking him out of context. Of course not!
Posted by: Alan | January 31, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am
WHAT AN IDIOT!! But what can we really expect coming from the second worst president of the 20th century. Just behind the moron Jimmy Carter.
Posted by: raul | January 31, 2008, 11:58 am 11:58 am
“All Hat and No Cattle” as we say around here.
I just figured out why most journalists never challenge the Clintons. It would take two lifetimes just to point out the lies, omissions and half truths in a single speech.
Posted by: flyover | January 31, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm
He didn’t misspeak. It’s always been a central goal of the international socialist movement behind the global warming hoax. America has always been the main target. You put a governor on the American economy and they will be forced to withdraw from world commitments creating a convenient power vacuum.
Posted by: Sam39 | January 31, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm
I have three questions for the global warming alarmists:
(1) If man is causing the warmup here on Earth, then how do we explain the fact that ALL of the planets in our solar system are going through a warming phase?
(2) If it’s greenhouse emissions that are causing global warming, how did our planet get in and out of the previous ice ages before fossil fuels were even developed?
(3) If the Earth is really warming like the alarmists say, how do we explain the fact that we still have many records set for all-time low temperatures?
Posted by: James Danley | Jan 31, 2008 10:38:58 AM
GOOD JOB!
PLEASE EDUCATE THESE IGNORANT LIBERALS!!!
Posted by: John | January 31, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm
…long and “interesting” speech? That’s charitable.
Posted by: deh | January 31, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm
Get this…
“How bout that RECESSION the Clinton/Gore tax hikes gave us Teddy?” posted by Mike Dela
This is what is wromg with the rightwing. Evidently, Mike gets his news from Sean Hannity. Clinton raised taxes ON THE TOP 2% OF EARNERS in 1993 in The Deficit Reduction Act. 1993! That Act was followed by an amazing economic run that lasted throughout his eight year term. Now go back and read Mike’s statement. Pathetic.
Tax policy from 1993 caused a recession in 2001. Got it. Oh, and it case you hadn’t heard, the hugely successful economy during Clinton’s years were all because of Reagan. LMAO.
Posted by: Ted Rhapse | January 31, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
Are You Kidding,
Just answer a few questions for me: How did the ice age end without SUVs and the eco-hating USA? Is there any chance that the earth naturally cools and heats in cycles? Did you know that during the cretaceous period (160 million years ago) that the earth was 10 degrees Celsius warmer than it is today? How did that happen without man in the mix? Did it ever occur to you that the big ball of light in the sky (that’s the Sun for you liberals) controls ALL of our weather?
What makes you think that the weather of today (or one degree less for those paranoid among you) is ideal? Maybe we will be better off if it is two or three degrees warmer. You guys just seem to know it all. Oh I get it, all you GW alarmists are humanists. It makes sense now. No God, humans rule.
Posted by: John in Tulsa | January 31, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
WHAT DID YOU EXPECT HIM TO SAY? YOU HAVE TO BE COMPLETELY UNDISERNING NOT TO CONCLUDE THIS TO BE THE GOAL OF THE UN ,AL GORE AND 60% OF THE DEMS AND 40% OF REPUBS. GET READY, THEY ARE PUTTING US UNDER.
Posted by: GARY | January 31, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
Who is John Galt?
Posted by: Ayn Rand | January 31, 2008, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm
Air quality is getting *better*, not worse, particulates being the most damaging to animals like humans. They are cheap and easy to filter out or avoid (catalytic converters in cars etc.). Arctic air temperature changes exactly matches solar activity, going back 100 years, whereas C02 only started to rise in 1940. Since 1950, forest cover in the USA in linear fashion increased by 40%. Amazonian rain forests are now increasing their biomass by 2 tons per acre a year. Trees in Central Park which has two highways of Ford Taurus taxi çabs running through them all day grow twice as fast as the same type of trees in Jersey.
The phrase “global” warming may be tempered by a peek at this graph of the temperature of the South Pole:
Basically, the Left ran out of ideas and lobbed onto junk science to create a sense of crisis, which the media went along with. Too bad about the Internet, guys since that’s where junk science is called lies.
It all started when Thatcher in the UK wanted to break the coal miner’s strike, so she started giving billions instead of tens of thousands for “climate scientists” to buy computers and have their non-climatologist computer science students write programs to spit out the idea that coal burning was something we needed to phase out anyway, and , FAST, or the UK would get washed away.
Plants are fertilized by CO2 so they aerate (breath) less and can thus live in drier areas, such as mountaintops. A great greening of the Earth is happening as Mankind releases million year old plant and plankton fertilizer from its underground reservoirs. Wheat, especially, loves more CO2, but the vast majority of trees like it even more.
Since the very minor *greenhouse* effect of C02 is tiny and *logarithmic*, meaning another doubling has much less effect than an initial one. CO2, being much less of a greenhouse gas than water vapor or methane, another doubling may lead to a degree increase in a century or two (or it may not, depending on how well you believe the weatherman’s latest predictions) but since plant fertilization is linear with CO2, if we double CO2 again, we double the *greening* effect. There is a lag in time before a tiny tree becomes a huge CO2 hog, but over time, this greening effect on land and sea will turn the Earth into a living paradise as plant and animal biodiversity and biomass have time bask in a fertilized atmosphere, tended to by rich countries, it being only rich countries who can afford such luxuries as studying endangered species, frog killing fungi, honey bee population crashes, epidemics, or launch satellites to study real problems like the ozone hole.
Isn’t it just an odd coincidence though that the *one* unproven (only exists in simple models of poorly understood chaotic feedback systems) “crisis” that liberals latch onto is one in which rich nations must atone for their sins of success and stop being envied at all (so those poor envious desert dwellers will stop flying airplanes into our financial and military centers)?
Nik, Ph.D. (Chemistry departments of Columbia and Harvard)
Posted by: NikFromNYC | January 31, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
It is hard to decide which load of crap is bigger. ANything Bill CLinton says, or the entire Man Made Global Warming religion.
Posted by: Bernard G. Chambers | January 31, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
I love every kind of chicken except dried out chicken. That’s why I love Shake and Bake. Shake and Bake is better than frying!
Posted by: chickenman | January 31, 2008, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm
I implore you all to remember this simple fact, from a man who, over three quarters of a century, lived under the guidance of 13 different Presidents.
I happen to be a conservative Republican. Overall, the candidates(Rep. or Dem.) currently running for the highest office in the land are so not right for this great nation of ours.
My choice for the greatest presidents in my lifetime are numbers 33 and 40. Look them up if you like.
This country and for that matter the world, is now in a very convoluted situation. We can’t afford to make sserious mistakes on whom we place in the White House.
This old man urges you this time to vote with your mind and not just your party of preference.
Posted by: Vince B. | January 31, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
I wish people would stop confusing global pollution/ecology with global warming. They really don’t have anything to do with each other. The first we can do something about. The second waxes and wanes according to variations in solar activity – we cannot influence it.
Posted by: Charles Aronowitz | January 31, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm
Funny! Clinton rambles off that list of countries who “…will never agree to stay poor to save the planet for our grandchildren.” China and Indonesia are members of Kyoto! Didn’t Clinton bash the Shrub around because he wouldn’t sign on bord Kyoto? And here we are with politicians running their fool mouths years later about global warming for political expediency and have accomplished very little in actually reducing greenhouse gasses, AND developing strong sustainable economies.
Posted by: Mauricio | January 31, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
I would tell Bill to do his “Spadework” on these rich nations that overall have much cleaner enviros than some of these poorer countries but he is white….spadework doesnt apply.
I use the term “spadework” because it just rolls off the tongue and is such a common metephor in describing…work that the term “work” just does not apply when using the word in conjunction with the term “black man”.
Being Bill has the honors of being the countries first black man then I shall say that he didnt do his “spadework” on this scam to give non elected, foreign elitists hands carte’ blanch to rip the US taxpayers off in what would be a gigantic scale.
Nothing like marxist socialists getting together world wide to bring this…the finests Country ever concieved in the history of the world….down…They are being honest when they tell you that they want to change it and like good lemmings, some people will be dutifully running off the edge of the cliffs with the sound of “change” echoing off the canyon walls.
Posted by: Drider | January 31, 2008, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm
jpt has made the common mistake of saying “begs the question” when he should have said “raises the question.”
Posted by: Richard L.A. Schaefer | January 31, 2008, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm
Slow down the economy translates to reduce the standard of living. What’s next, waiting in line for toilet paper, shoes and vodka??
Posted by: Mark Vecchiarelli | January 31, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
I don’t think this video is saying what Jake Tapper thinks it is. I don’t think Bill is remotely advocating the slowing down of our economy. In context it looks to me that he is specifically saying that doing so *won’t work* to solve the greater problem of greenhouse gas emissions (granting only for the sake of argument that the problem is a valid one).
I bow down to no one in my distaste for the Clintons, and I am a full-blooded AGW denier. But this does not strike me as an unreasonable statement, taken in context.
Posted by: mcg | January 31, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
If Bill is so hot about global warming (pun intended), why was he so cowardly about Kyoto? Remember, the Senate had voted unanimously to vote down any agreement that would be detrimental to our economy, and when Kyoto was ready to be ratified, Clinton never even submitted it to the Senate (because he knew he would lose). So he just sat on the sidelines for a few years, and then started criticizing the current administration for not doing anything about Kyoto (of course, those countries who have tried to implement Kyoto have failed miserably, and the U.S., without Kyoto, has done a better job of reducing greenhouse gases than any of them).
So this is just another Clintonian fairy tale, designed to woo gullible voters but not designed to actually do anything. The fact that there are some number of people who actually believe the garbage that comes from this political family is both scary and disheartening; obviously the complaints about the education system in this country are accurate.
Posted by: Nick in Virginia | January 31, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
There is really nothing more you need to understand about the Democrats than what Bill Clinton, the leader of the Democrats, just said. Democrats are out to destroy our economy and ruin America all in the Jim Jones cultish rush to embrace this “Global Warming” absurdity.
Clinton should be put in an ad and run non-stop until election day.
Posted by: Demo-Commies | January 31, 2008, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm
Just a peak into the baseless sea of random “what they want to hear” phrases populating Bill’s talking points driven “mind”. I really doubt he understands or has thought through much of what he says.
Sadder still, apparently someone is listening.
Posted by: DigitalTexan | January 31, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
It is refreshing to see that the liberal press is finally coming to realize the deep deficit of character in Bill Clinton – something that the rest of us knew well before he was president.
And to think that some people want to allow the Clintons back into the White House to shame the office all over again.
Tsk tsk.
Posted by: One_American | January 31, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
This was a really dumb comment by Bill Clinton. There are a million different ways to express the sentiment that reducing industrial production would aid the fight against global warming. “Slowing down our economy” is perhaps the dumbest possible way. Bill Clinton has let his fame go to his head. He is no longer a sharp thinker and problem solver. He has become an arrogant celebrity who can speak nonsense with impunity. However, that too can change. Let’s hope that Bill Clinton makes that change himself or otherwise someone may come up behind him and make that change happen whether Bill wants it or not.
Posted by: Sean O'Brien | January 31, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
Don’t think Obama wouldn’t say the same thing when environmentalists put the screws to him. This is the democrats position on “global warming”. Bill just accidentally let the cat out of the bag. How could you possibly fight your supposed “global warming” without slowing the economy?
Posted by: Dave B | January 31, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
IDIOTS. BOTH OF THEM.
Posted by: Mike | January 31, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
A little economic reality: each unit of economic growth requires an additional unit of energy input. If your goal is to reduce CO2 your two choices are to limit economic growth or shift to costlier energy source via carbon taxes, mandates, or subsidizing the costlier energy source.
If you shift to costlier sources you may create economic growth and jobs in the alternative energy sectors but it will be at the expense of sectors that must pay the higher costs ~ manufacturing, transportation, travel, tourism, etc. The net is more growth and jobs will be destroyed than created.
The human induced global warming true believers understand this and are beginning the process of getting the masses comfortable with the reduced lifestyle needed to achieve their goals.
The folks in Beijing and New Deli understand this as well and won’t allow their people to remain impoverished, which is why global CO2 will not be reduced no matter how much developed countries reduce their economies.
Posted by: JMH | January 31, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
I hate Bush/I hate Clinton – How can so many be so ignorant? You allow Bushes, Clintons, Gore, McCain lead you to a “New World Order”, China stealing everything the current and past administrations don’t give them, all of the above destroying our manufacturing base and pushing a North American Union and fighting against a ghost Armeggedon (global warming). That is a wrap of the soon to come destruction of this great country our founders passed to us. Happy?
Posted by: 4gotnblud | January 31, 2008, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm
I don’t know what people are getting excited about. This is nothing new. Part to the democrats’ basic belief system is that the U.S. is evil and the world will be better off when we are brought down. For some reason many good, decent people still join the idiot left to keep putting these people in office. That is the great mystery of the age.
Posted by: nolie | January 31, 2008, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
As for Clinton’s statement about slowing down the economy – he’s losing it. However, global warming is a real phenomenon. It is all about balance and even if CO2 admissions weren’t to blame for global warming, we don’t know what the real effect will be with the complete imbalance in the system as it stands today. As we are continuing to emit more CO2 into the atmosphere, we are cutting down the trees which absorb CO2 and convert it into breathable oxygen which we need to live. Every human disease is caused by an imbalance in normal physiology. Drugs work by reinstating the balance. It is no different with the environment. We need to cut our CO2 emissions and stop cutting down trees in mass quantities – both of which the Kyoto protocol calls for.
Posted by: LiveForAmerica | January 31, 2008, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
More proof that Democrats count failure as success. Their solutions include the following: win in Iraq by surrendering so ethnic cleansing can begin and Al Queda can set up shop again, Solve the energy crisis by NOT drilling for oil and banning the use of coal and nuclear fuels, fix the economy by forcing higher energy prices, chain reaction inflation, and higher taxes for more redistribution of wealth, solve the problems of minorities with more welfare and food stamps so they can continue to call the single parent travesties families and also debase the traditional two parent family by calling homosexual unions marraiges, solve the problems of crime and moral degradation by destroying religion through the use of hate crime laws. Yes we can now save the planet as long as no one has a job, drives a car, or heats their home in the winter or cools it in the summer. Hooray for the Democrat Party!
Posted by: worddust | January 31, 2008, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
Good Lord!
Reading the text of ‘ol Bill and the comments from the left makes me believe that Michael Savage (the nutcase) is right, “Liberalism IS an mental disorder”
It is comic when Bill talks about the growth of the countries that signed the Koyoto protacol are somehow miraculously have a growing economy. The truth is, to the extent their economy is growing is do to the fact that they have ignored Koyoto and CUT CORPORATE TAXES to spur growth where Billary wants to bleed the same golden goose to death. Dead corporations give no jobs, no technology and no wealth.
Government intervention into anything has never worked and never will.
Posted by: Bud the fly guy | January 31, 2008, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
This was not a mistake. Slick Willie is stating the quasi-religious belief system of the environmentalist extremists who preach manmade global warming and who exert a profound influence on the democratic party. This is the same philosophy which leads Europe to put punitive taxes on vacation flights while bigwigs and their elite companions hob nob with each other at Davos. It is the same belief system which causes British women to boast that they got sterilzed in order to save the planet.It is the same belief system which puts honest opponents in the same category as holocaust deniers and which threatens scientific opponents with a modern day inquisition in the form of the loss of credentials and employment.
Posted by: pcorp | January 31, 2008, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
What the –?? How can he possibly defend those comments about slowing down the economy? Is he saying we have two choices to reduce greenhouse emissions: EITHER we slow down the economy (something stupid to seriously consider b/c our overspending in Iraq is already crippling the economy as it is) OR, we can usher in an era of energy independence by voting for Hillary Clinton???? Looks like the economy is already slowing down, so that must be a blessing by his calculations. On the upside, I can use his comments as a way of getting out of working 6 days a week… here’s to reducing my carbon footprint Bill!
Posted by: A.S. | January 31, 2008, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
“Plants are fertilized by CO2 so they aerate (breath) less and can thus live in drier areas, such as mountaintops.”
And you claim to have a PHd in Chemistry ?
Piled Higher and Deeper maybe.
Plants *breathe* CO2, they are not fertilized by it. Mountain tops are *wet* , not dry, as they get hit by clouds constantly… dohh!
But no PHD in chemistry would -ever- have written those lines… at least one that didn’t bribe his way through school.
Posted by: Doctor No | January 31, 2008, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm
“The human induced global warming true believers understand this and are beginning the process of getting the masses comfortable with the reduced lifestyle needed to achieve their goals.”
And their true GOALS are not too cleverly hidden in the message “slow down the economy”….GOLBAL domination…under the guise of concern for humanity…a return to socialist/marxism or even worse FEUDALISM…..The dead give away is all the tactic these people use today are part and parcel taken directly from THE COMMUNIST MANIFESTO…..
that says more than anything and all the double talk, rhetoric, and public pressuring and name calling only validate that.
Posted by: Jim | January 31, 2008, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm
Has he forgotten “It’s about the economy stupid!”
Posted by: jeff | January 31, 2008, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
Try having fewer children and grandchildren. Simple, isn’t it?
Posted by: Jean | January 31, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
For once Bill is being somewhat honest.
Liberals believe that we shouldn’t be as powerful as we are and that somehow it’s all our fault that global warming has come about.
First off, global warming is a fraud being perpetrated on the world and the democrats love to use it for political gain.
The left would love to hobble this great nation by fighting our ability to drill for own oil, build or even repair our refineries and to put a complete stop to any reliance on nuclear energy.
All the while they like to consider themselves “progressives”.
It should be noted that whether it be Hillary or Obama in the White House, you can rest assured America will falter due to their supposed infinite wisdom.
Get ready to see this country slide towards being the next great third world socialist cesspool.
Posted by: Mark | January 31, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
You don’t have to slow down the economy! All you have to do is immediately STOP building new coal-fired power plants, and work to reduce the output of existing plants. To counter the reduction of energy production, new buildings must reduce their energy use by 50%. This is the “2030 Challenge.” This will solve the problem!
Posted by: Nate_S | January 31, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
What a jerk!
Slow down the economy means less economic activity which means more unemployment. If he manages to shrink the economic pie, someone is going to suffer.
You can bet that Bill and Hillary won’t slow down consuming their already disproportionately large share of the pie, but they want you to do so. Same thing that Al Gore and John Edwards did. They tell you to reduce your effect on the world, while they expand theirs and then pretend to care by buying carbon credits.
Posted by: Sid Davis | January 31, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
It seems pretty clear that the former President was saying our choices are that a couple of big countries could “slow down” their economies or we could actively pursue an economic development plan utilizing green technologies to grow the economy and then underdeveloped countries would have to do the same to be competative. There really is no other way to read this article. The author attached a clever little spin to it that amounts to shoddy reporting. Oh well, people eat this stuff up.
Posted by: Joel | January 31, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
This is the real goal….shifting the balance of power…doing MORE than slowing down economies…it is about bankrupting them…Study Facism, Marxism and the like..the first thing they do is to try to CONTROL populations (remember the walls to keep people from moving?)….the NEW wall is limiting travel by limiting the means of travel and making it financially unfeasible…to do…..the second is control the food and the thoughts and the langugae….and fear mongering and then social peer pressuring and ad hominem attacks…..all pages taken from such illustrious people as Hitle, Stalin, Lenin, Marx to name a few.
Then tax everyone like the government and its elites are little or nothing more than Feudal Lords
Read this as it was just posted
today….
Posted by: Jim Davis | January 31, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
Is Bill in the beginning stage of Alzheimer’s ?
Posted by: km | January 31, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
You Libs are something. Do me a favor – take your hate/blame America first attitude and get the hell out. If we’re so bad, why stay here?
Posted by: DougCat | January 31, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
You Libs are something. Do me a favor – take your hate/blame America first attitude and get the hell out. If we’re so bad, why stay here?
Posted by: DougCat | January 31, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
What a dufus! Thank God Hilly is going to lose.
Posted by: Scott | January 31, 2008, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm
It’s the next heavyweight title bout. In this corner, weighing heavy in arrogance and ignorance, we have MAN!!!! In the other corner, highly volatile, ever changing and all encompassing, we have the SUN. Who will win this fight? My money is on the sun.
Posted by: Laughing | January 31, 2008, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm
LOL!
Dems may be stupid…
but I don’t see -them- posting the same message, over and over, by mistake…
Dohh! Bart!
Posted by: LOL | January 31, 2008, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm
“If you want that in America, if you want the millions of jobs that will come from it, if you would like to see a new energy trust fund to finance solar energy and wind energy and biomass and responsible bio-fuels and electric hybrid plug-in vehicles that will soon get 100 miles a gallon, if you want every facility in this country to be made maximally energy efficient that will create millions and millions and millions of jobs, vote for her. She’ll give it to you. She’s got the right energy plan.”
Of course Bill is not suggesting slowing down the economy. What he IS suggesting, and what his wife the candidate is promoting are government funded plans, paid for with tax dollars that come out of everyone’ pocket. But should our government decide what are the best alternative energy technologies? They just voted to ban incandescent light bulbs after a specific date – promoting the use of CFL’s. Well, CFL’s contain mercury and, if broken, create a hazardous waste condition. Duh. It’s just like the MTB that the government madated, then attacked industry for using it because it got into the ground water supplies, which they knew it would when it was mandated! Ugh!
Posted by: Doug | January 31, 2008, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm
“Everybody knows that global warming is real” – Bill Clinton
Everybody with a brain knows it is a hoax perpetrated upon us by these one-world nuts (that includes the Clintons and McCain) who are trying to force us all into Communism (slow down our economy; rich nations give up economy/poor nations buy credits; declining inequality) so they can be the few extremely wealthy (see Russian history). The UN’s own findings, supposedly PROVING GW, had only 60 some-odd scientists (wonder how rich they are now), while over 400 leading scientists that the UN used opted out of signing on, because they KNEW that the truth was that man doesn’t cause warming (or cooling, for that matter, which we will see next). Look back into history, people. Roughly every 25-40 years, the headlines have changed from global warming to global cooling. How does the Earth keep spinning on its axis?
Posted by: BOB S | January 31, 2008, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm
I assume the former President is willing to share the pain with the rest of us which means that he will now be using Greyhound or flying coach to his speaking engagements?
Posted by: Cable Guy | January 31, 2008, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm
Bill doesn’t have to work for a living. Why should he care?
Posted by: Scott | January 31, 2008, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm
The only way people are going to move to all these alternative products is to work to make that movement cheaper than existing products.
reallistically your not going to get many people going to solar until you make the ability of the ordinary person to make that movement and save money in the installation and to have the monthly efect on their bills go down.
Period
Activists have never, no matter what movement they are trying to get people to make, concentrated first on making the movement cheaper, and thats where they fail.
Or perhaps they are not really failing, maybe they are going to make money on the more expensive products and thats the true reason they want us to go and use them.
When your new fuel is cheaper to uyse everyday, I will make that movement.
Stop telling me Oil is limited when every day they are finding more of it underground.
thats why activists dont want us drilling and extracting it, they know it could have virtually unlimited supplies and pumping more out would only make it cheaper and no one would go to their products
Posted by: Kurk | January 31, 2008, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm
I’m amazed at all the idiots that are buying into this whole global warming scare you crap. Yes the earth has warmed up some incremental amount. BUT ITS NATURAL and simple part of an up cycle. The cycle will swing back towards cooling sometime in the future. Al Gore and the younger scientist need your fear to help put money in their pockets. If you’re scared it’s easier for them to obtain funding. It’s all a bunch of crape. I sometimes wish California would drop off into the ocean.
Posted by: Kirk | January 31, 2008, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm
I wish someone in this current race for the White House would have the “anatomy” to “come clean” regarding Global Warming. Yes there is global warming, just like has happened since this planet was formed. The Earth’s axis cyclically changes toward and away from the sun. The Earth’s orbit around the sun varies from closer to farther away. Also, this current Sun Spot Cycle has been like nothing in the past. There have been some of the most violent solar disturbances in the last few years beyond current historic records. The ejecta that spews out delivers the kind of energy that can and will heat up this planet. It takes that kind of energy. Anthropogenic emissions affect on our climate is like worrying about overheating your house with a match! You never hear much about these astrophysical phenomena. You don’t because it is not popular to face the Enviro-Nazis with the facts. Climate has become some pseudo religion that is based on hysterical miscreant’s agenda. I would love to see how these wackos would have blamed the “Mini Ice Age” that spanned from the early 1300′s to almost the beginning of the 20th century? No doubt that idiot from Tennessee would have been beating on his worn out drum. I hope that I live long enough to see that stooge Gore exposed for what a fool he is and how he and the rest of those fanatics were wrong.
Anthropogenic affects on global warming are negligible. Scientists have gone on record saying that if we doubled the entire anthropogenic output you would barely notice, even if you were able to have instruments sensitive enough to make the measurements!
I believe that the agenda for a New World Order is the primary engine fueling rubbish like this. The United States has dumbed down the educational system to have enough of our population to buy into this nonsense. I am afraid that just like the fall of Roman Empire and the subsequent Dark Ages that followed that collapse is what we are currently experiencing. Humans don’t seem to ever learn, or at least at a very rapid rate. You don’t have to be a Bible scholar to see this sort of human condition.
I am just glad that I am in the latter half of my life and not starting out. I really do pity the mess our children and our grand children are going to have to deal with.
Political and corporate greed, both money and power, has destroyed this country and most of the world.
Posted by: HGB | January 31, 2008, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm
It is interesting how a ‘reporter’ knowingly takes things out of context and twist a story and the number of readers who blindly take the reporter’s word as truth and went crazy.
No wonder everyone was sold on WMD
Posted by: Svenson | January 31, 2008, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm
Without his handlers engaged and close by Bill shows himself to be what he’s always been, a Bubba.
Posted by: Harvey Finkelstein | January 31, 2008, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm
O-BAM-A!! not smart bill. the place were in now the last thing we need is to slow the economy.
Posted by: junell Vargas | January 31, 2008, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm
It’s one more indication that the man who was a Rhodes Scholar doesn’t have a lick of common sense. And Hillary says she can control him. Hahahahahahahaha
like she has over the last 35 years.
America was pretty screwed up under GWB but it will absolutely get worse in a Democrat takes the White House.
Posted by: Walter Rego | January 31, 2008, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm
He is right! This idea that we must have continuous growth is absurd and against the laws of nature. Continuous growth is called a CANCER and will ultimately lead to DEATH or our world. Wake up MUGGLES!
Posted by: Alan O | January 31, 2008, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm
Obama is looking more and more like the winner everday.
Posted by: Scott | January 31, 2008, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm
Slow down the economy? Make up your mind, dems are saying its in the tubes. Which is it? Bill, go away and do what it is you do best.
Posted by: fay | January 31, 2008, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm
IMO, this is Bill-Hill planning to win the Presidency, and planting a reason to the faltering economy that will be if She’s elected. So when the economy does slow, which it will, it will be by design and not via incompetence/government spending spree, or atleast that’s the image to project to all those not benefiting from the spending spree.
Posted by: sloth | January 31, 2008, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm
We could cut emissions and save lives if we limited driving to 5MPH. But that is too great a cost, right? Now we have the right question. What cost are we willing to endure. Scientists not chasing grant money know that global warming is a hoax.
Posted by: WWE | January 31, 2008, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm
Al! Good to hear from you! Question: are you pals with Cheney since you’re both former Council on Foreign Relations members?
Posted by: Jim | January 31, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm
Quote: “Political and corporate greed, both money and power, has destroyed this country and most of the world.”
End Quote.
So, you -agree- with the terrorists, then ?
:-D
Me ? I blame the GOP, who personify those vices….
Guns don’t kill people, people kill people… kinda thing.
Posted by: YouKnow | January 31, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm
An absolute, perfect, unmatched a-hole. He doesn’t deserve to recieve welfare much less a lifetime handout from worthy taxpayers.
Posted by: Malthus | January 31, 2008, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm
“Or perhaps he misspoke”
…or perhaps YOU just took what he said out of context to gin up some phony rage.
That there’s some fine journamalisming, that is.
Posted by: Jody | January 31, 2008, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
And than’s for getting Osama Bill!
Posted by: Scott | January 31, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
YOU GUYS HAVE CUT OFF THE FIRST PART OF THE QUOTE, TAKING IT COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTEXT….I HAVE POSTED THE WHOLE QUOTE BELOW!
“And maybe America, and Europe, and Japan, and Canada — the rich counties — would say, ‘OK, we just have to slow down our economy and cut back our greenhouse gas emissions ’cause we have to save the planet for our grandchildren.’ We could do that.
But if we did that, you know as well as I do, China and India and Indonesia and Vietnam and Mexico and Brazil and the Ukraine, and all the other countries will never agree to stay poor to save the planet for our grandchildren. The only way we can do this is if we get back in the world’s fight against global warming and prove it is good economics that we will create more jobs to build a sustainable economy that saves the planet for our children and grandchildren. It is the only way it will work.”
SERIOUSLY, ABC NEWS NEEDS TO POST A CORRECTION TO THIS IRRESPONSIBLE AND MISLEADING LIE OF A STORY.
Posted by: Vanessa C. | January 31, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
I see. They will say that everyone who is against the carbon tax is a shill for big oil.
Posted by: TheConstitution | January 31, 2008, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm
They talk about green house but the people who have invented new carbs and new chips that increase your gas miliage are shut down or there goods taken or like the LA Prosecutor took him to court, in Calf the state with the most restrictions will fine you for inproving your vehicles gas miliage. chysler corp had a turbine car in mid 60 that got 85 mpg.”Engineers of Hitachi Magnetics Corp. of California have stated that a motor run solely by magnets is feasible and logical but the politics of the matter make it impossible for them to pursue developing a magnet motor or any device that would compete with the energy cartels.” so go figure.
Posted by: raw | January 31, 2008, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm
And how, exactly, does Hillary Rodham Clinton plan to do THAT? Specifics, please? Isn’t that like decreasing revenues and increasing spending? Or is this TDGWE (trickle down global warming economics). Sound like this time Bill DID inhale.
Posted by: Cable Guy | January 31, 2008, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm
For a supposedly Christian nation… Americans place way too much emphasis on money. If the jet stream shuts down, guess what? We won’t have to worry about the economy because we’ll all be dead. So there!
Posted by: Rexxx | January 31, 2008, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm
Hillary Said She Could Control Him?
Now there is the idiot Hillary said yesterday she can control! A recently former president talking so stupidly! What’s he gonna do about Mars? PLEASE check track #4 ‘Hot Air,’ my tribute to Al Gore and these Socialist pretenders. Where?
http://www.conservativemusiconline.com
Posted by: Lance Morrison | January 31, 2008, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm
Globaloney Warming is just the “new” communism, and will fail like ALL doctrines that trash the freedom of property rights in taking from some to give to others for their support. Out right THEFT IOW’s.
The Clintons, like the Bushs and BOTH their parties, are run by the same elite CFR/NWO/Int’l Banking/Federal Reserve criminal cabal that stole our gold and has been fleecing Americans of the dollars purchasing power via fiat printing presses, since said cabal ran Wilson, Taft & TR all in the same race.
Taft or TR would have too signed the Federal Reserve Act & Federal Income Tax act as their masters who ran them wanted as did Wilson.
Understand Wilson got re-elected for promising Americans that the US would not intervene in the war between Germany & Britain, but that the Fedl Res Act & Inc Tax were precisely institutted to finance WW1 which has always been highly profitable to the bankers and their merchants of death who always finance BOTH sides of every war they first foment.
Read scholar Murray N Rothabard’s painstakenly researched essay “Wall Street, Banks and American Foreign Policy” to see just how elites have screwed, robbed and killed Americans for profit for over 100 years now, and taken over our media and education to promote their lies with.
Murray’s article can be read at either Lew Rockwell’s or the mises websites, both of which are recommended for understanding our real non-Govt versions of history and economics.
Rothbard reveals the actual people, places and interconnects between them that prove WW1 & 2 were setups as all the rest have been, designed precisely to allow big businesss to increasingly control our govt and ergo ourselves via the fraudulent fiat money system they stole the people’s gold to replace.
That barbarous relic gold – too unsophisticated for average Americans to keep using as money – the bankers now have taken almost all of for themselves. See any irony there?
After all – politicians are just men as equally liable lie, cheat, steal or murder as anybody elese in the general population – and that they seek to live off and control others – maybe moreso.
Posted by: marxbites | January 31, 2008, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm
Man-made global warming is a myth…don’t you realize the earth has always gone through cyclical warming & cooling cycles? It’s just a natural phenomenon that we don’t control, no matter how self-important we like to think ourselves. I know you yanks would like to blame Bush for Hurricane Katrina, but it’s rubbish if you stop & think about it for a moment. Hurricanes are strengthened by warm water temps, no? That’s your argument…that “global warming” has increased water temperature to give rise to powerful hurricanes. But here’s a fact that Al Gore doesn’t talk about: air temperature has NO effect on water temperature…NONE. The only thing that influences water temp is solar radiation, which is forever variable. It’s just the opposite, in fact…water temperature has an effect on air temperature. That’s why we in England live at a higher latitude than you, but we have a milder climate…because we’re surrounded by water & currents. The pseudo-intellectuals who use Al Gore’s film need to study & make informed decisions, as opposed to just regurgitating his sociopolitical agenda.
Posted by: Shawn from Liverpool | January 31, 2008, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm
He didn’t say we should slow down the economy. He proposed a hypothetical “if”. In the next paragraph of his statement, he says why slowing down the economy would be a terrible idea. Does anyone actually read anymore?
Posted by: redjellydonut | January 31, 2008, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
You kooks and global warming are getting old. Al Gore hustled you guys!
Snow in China, Chile, and Israel! Record snowfall and low temperatures in North America. You folk are idiots. Walk towards the light!
Posted by: Soulful Conservative | January 31, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
Well, let’s remember. Bill is having severe withdrawal not being the center of attention. Hillary can call on her 35 yrs. of experience to slow global warming. LMAO
Posted by: TommyJack | January 31, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
to Lance Morris…read the words you typed, think about ludicrous Bill and what his intentions are, then realize that Jakes article is exactly what Bill Clinton said and wants. You should be fired at! Keep up the good reporting Jake!
Posted by: Steve | January 31, 2008, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
If the climate turns cold can we burn a lot more fossil fuels to warm it up?
If putting the U.S. economy in overdrive won’t work, we could always set a bunch of coal mines on fire or burn some forests.
I guess if burning fossil fuels causes warming, we know what to do if we experience global cooling!
(Heh heh heh.)
Posted by: Carol | January 31, 2008, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm
SAL wrote:
[Can you believe some of these people believe that global warming is a HOAX?]
You mean like the fat-causes heart disease hoax, or the Sun rotates round the Earth hoax? I’m not sure if it’s a hoax, but in whose financial and political interest is it to create alarmism? Climatology and Big Government Politicians. I spent 30 minutes intensely searching Google for a Netherlands case, and besides the gross unbelievability that a modern civil country would threaten to expel a citizen for his political views (be they based on lies or not), I could not find any hints of there having been such a “court case.” There *was* a huge case, based on the awful Valdez oil spill, including punitive (not just money to clean it up) damages.
The utterly uncontroversial, known-since-the-50s fact that cigarettes cause cancer (and filtered ones are ironically even worse) was not based on computer models, but simple data from hospitals and many studies, and it included a somewhat simple biological mechanism.
But your argument that you can’t *believe* some people think Global Warming is a “hoax” while hysterically mentioning a single implausible court case I can open–mindedly find no references while I *can* find hard science (not computer modeled) data that shows that a consistent, nearly linear warming trend started 100 YEARS BEFORE any boost in CO2 began in earnest, well if ignoring such data could be called “misguided” or “alarmist” then why not call it a “hoax” since so many people are set to benefit from it. And *if* it were true, that we are destroying the Earth with a simple sound-bite-ready use of the very lifeblood of civilization, might the answer lie not in killing off that civilization, but in building up the nuclear and solar industries like crazy? Yes, the planet is warming, and has been since 1850, in a linear fashion that reflects no fearful increase since 1940 when humans started releasing CO2 like mad. GO LOOK IT UP. The charts exist, going way back, since both thermometers and the simple ability to use a pinhole camera obscura to count sunspots has existed since the 1600s.
[The Judge ordered them to stop, or face expulsion from the country.]
Are there even laws against misinformation campaigns in modern countries?
Finally, when have you EVER seen a TV commercial or magazine ad sponsored by “Big Oil” that does anything other than pander *to* the hysteria, by which I mean USE IT as a public relations boost? Why is global warming “skepticism” such a grass-roots phenomena? And why do massive contributions to global warming computer modelers, and billion dollar public contributions to Greenpeace and Co. based on CLIMATE HYSTERIA not get the same “follow the money” treatment as being scammers, in it for a buck? That they reject modern nuclear energy sort of gives them away, well that is except the FOUNDER of Greenpeace (who resigned when he claimed their religious furor had corrupted them), or the former EDITOR of New Scientist magazine, etc. etc. etc. claim the Environmentalist movement has a POLITICAL and PROFITEERING agenda under the mere GUISE of caring for (as opposed to trying to for a profitable doomsday cult around). Is the word “hoax” really too harsh if solid on-the-ground facts negate their entire computer-model based disaster scenarios?
Posted by: NikFromNYC | January 31, 2008, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm
Chelsey should be sterilized to put a stop to the Clinton gene pool.
Posted by: Scott | January 31, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
I think that many of the people are taking this totally the wrong way. If one were to think about momentum and inertia and apply it to economics then it would be pretty obvious to say that a change in a new direction would slow the economy in respect to current methods of energy consumption, such as home heating, automobiles, etc., and profit from that consumption. To move in that new direction, however, jobs will be created for research, design, and manufacturing. Just like when someone was needed to build our first automobiles…I’m sure it took a larger work force that what it took to make horse carriages…It took more people to make light bulbs than candles…His statement makes sense if one looks further ahead than the tip of their nose….but that is the sole thought process of conservative america…Going with the flow is much easier than changing direction.
Posted by: cole duncan | January 31, 2008, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
…and after we get Earth cooled back down, we can work on getting Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn back to where we think they should be. It’s just amazing how our GH gasses made it to those planets, too.
Right.
Posted by: Carl Sagen | January 31, 2008, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm
The National Review Online again on the quality of journalism:
“Clinton Clip [Jonah Goldberg]
Iain – Fair enough. And shame on ABC. It’s pretty shocking that they’d do that to him. If the clip came from a rightwing site I probably would have checked the context more. But I just assumed ABC didn’t know how to be unfair to a Clinton.”
This is from Joan Goldberg of NRO who is not known to be a Clintonista.
Posted by: TruthTeller | January 31, 2008, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
Clinton said it would be a bad idea to slow down the economy to fight global warming. Is reading comprehension not your thing?
Posted by: catbirdman | January 31, 2008, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm
I am a Republican, and not a fan of the Clinton campaign. I am also not a believer in global warming (though I am a supporter of the resulting efforts to finally tear us away from our dependence on foreign oil, so if a global warming hoax is what it takes–not all bad)
That said, this article appears to take the statement entirely out of context, by the admission of the article itself. It seems clear that the idea of slowing down the economy, though it would help, was referenced as NOT being a reasonable or realistic solution to the problem. What Bill forgot is that media has no attention span, and focuses on small sound bites only.
Posted by: Jeff | January 31, 2008, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
Iain Murray of National Review Online again:
“Bill’s Economic Stimulus Plan: Green Jobs [Iain Murray]
Jonah, I can’t believe I’m writing this, but I’m not sure Jake Tapper is being entirely accurate when he characterizes Bill Clinton’s remarks on global warming yesterday as “We just have to slow down our economy.” Clinton’s remarks actually suggest that doing that would not help as “China and India and Indonesia and Vietnam and Mexico and Brazil and the Ukraine, and all the other countries will never agree to stay poor to save the planet for our grandchildren,” which is an accurate assessment of the situation.”
Posted by: TruthTeller | January 31, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
President Clinton had 2 years to sign the Kyoto Accord but didn’t. He’s a phony plain and simple. Hillary is even worse. Vote Obama!
Posted by: Eric | January 31, 2008, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
Man Made Climate Change is a HOAX.
Posted by: clarkca | January 31, 2008, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
“As we are continuing to emit more CO2 into the atmosphere, we are cutting down the trees which absorb CO2 and convert it into breathable oxygen which we need to live… We need to cut our CO2 emissions and stop cutting down trees in mass quantities – both of which the Kyoto protocol calls for.”
Wrong! Way to buy into the B.S. psuedoscience of the global-warming nazis. The absolute worst thing for global CO2 levels would be to stop forestry. Responsible forestry replaces old growth trees (which absorb CO2 at a snail’s pace) with new trees. These young trees absorb CO2 at more than twice the rate of old-growth trees. Plus, the carbon emissions from converting trees into paper and other natural products are miniscule when compared to the emissions from the manufacture of synthetic plastics and other man-made substitutes for natural products. If you want to really cut CO2 levels, cut down all the old trees, plant new ones, and stop your whining, morons.
Posted by: Scott M | January 31, 2008, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm
I think that many of the people are taking this totally the wrong way. If one were to think about momentum and inertia and apply it to economics then it would be pretty obvious to say that a change in a new direction would slow the economy in respect to current methods of energy consumption, such as home heating, automobiles, etc., and profit from that consumption. To move in that new direction, however, jobs will be created for research, design, and manufacturing. Just like when someone was needed to build our first automobiles…I’m sure it took a larger work force that what it took to make horse carriages…It took more people to make light bulbs than candles…His statement makes sense if one looks further ahead than the tip of their nose….but that is the sole thought process of conservative america…Going with the flow is much easier than changing direction.
Posted by: cole duncan | January 31, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm
Can I post w/out an URL? I don’t know what it is.
Posted by: Don Polson | January 31, 2008, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm
Liberals always lie. This Clinton thing is only a slip of the tongue for Willie – a momentary lapse into truth.
What they really mean, in their heart of hearts is that there simply are too many people on the Earth.
Now, they usually stop there, but you gotta know what they are thinking (excuse me, feeling is a better word)as the only solution.
And if you have no idea what they are ‘feeling’, then consider their solution to the low income population problem in the US.
That is the long term agenda, whilst the short term agenda is to tax, tax, tax, and divert the $$ into liberal coffers and then to liberal pockets.
They will need that money to insulate themselves from the effects of their long term solution.
Clintons already have their home (read fortress) in the Dominican Republic.
Posted by: patrick henry | January 31, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm
Clinton said the same thing in Norman. I was in attendance. This article is accurately reported.
Posted by: austinlowercase | January 31, 2008, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
yikes. prince sez ‘tonight jake wants to party like it’s 1998.’
Posted by: cha cha cha | January 31, 2008, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm
Hey Bill! The only reason you were not kicked out of office was due to the economy under your term. And you had nothing to do with it.
Posted by: Scott | January 31, 2008, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm
Slow down the economy? Wouldn’t that bring a real recession on? Not the trumped up BS that Washington is throwing more $$ out on, but a real recession?
Billy Bob should stick to what he really knows:
1. Chasing skirts
2. Special Intern cigars.
3. Taming of the Shrew (Hillary)
Posted by: Terry | January 31, 2008, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm
FWIW–Anyone interested in a little empirical info on question of relation of economy to CO2? We had a little thing called the world wide depression back in the 1930′s with a economies declining in the range of 30 percent. The CO2 in the atmosphere was gradually rising before, during and after this massive economic catastrophe. Lost my sources on the CO2 but they were reputable. Human activity is simply not the driving force for either atmospheric CO2 or any other macro-environmental condition. The news cyle, however, was probably devoted to non-existent declines in polar bear populations. Go figure.
Posted by: Don Polson | January 31, 2008, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm
Only the US can stop Manbearpig
We can stop Manbearpig if we only destroy our ecnomy. At east that is what Der Slickmeister is teklling us. Yes if we totally destroy our economy and screw over the poor, wealthy and sick in this country can we
Posted by: Stix Blog | January 31, 2008, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm
As a churchgoer, Clinton should know that manmade global warming is the biggest liberal lie of the 21st century.
Mankind will not be wiped out by rising CO2 levels:
Bible prophecy is always right.
Liberal propaganda is always wrong.
Posted by: TXLonghorn | January 31, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
Bill is willing to sacrifice the US economy(read JOBS)for his one-world unity plan… you know, the one where he is the ruler and all young women must spend 2 years as interns.
Posted by: Mr. Denver | January 31, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
“Slow down the economy? Wouldn’t that bring a real recession on? Not the trumped up BS that Washington is throwing more $$ out on, but a real recession?
Billy Bob should stick to what he really knows:
1. Chasing skirts
2. Special Intern cigars.
3. Taming of the Shrew (Hillary)”
Terry
Good one Terry
Posted by: Scott | January 31, 2008, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
I got it!!!! Hillary can set up an new agency withor under NASA to figure out how to stop theglobal warming both here and on Mars…she could really tax and spend………………
Posted by: frank | January 31, 2008, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm
If Hillary can “control him”, why did he chase so many skirts? Or is she really a lesbian and didn’t care?
Posted by: Clay | January 31, 2008, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm
Breathing is a great cause of CO2 emmissions…how can we get Bubba to stop breathing???
Posted by: Mike | January 31, 2008, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm
No. We don’t “all know” that global warming is for real. The planet warms, cools, stays the same for awhile, gets cold, warm, cool, warm, stays the same,etc etc etc.
Since when did we look to politicians to predict the weather? Ignore this B.S.. The fight to end “global warming” (btw talk about tilting at windmills even if it were true) will kill us all. I guess that WOULD please Mother Earth.
Posted by: Psycho | January 31, 2008, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm
Slow down our economy?
This has got to be the most stupid and arrogant statement I have ever heard any politician say. Who the HELL does he think he is? President of the Earth?
Posted by: Jeffro | January 31, 2008, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm
“If Hillary can “control him”, why did he chase so many skirts? Or is she really a lesbian and didn’t care?”
Yes! On both counts.
Posted by: Scott | January 31, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
Well, heck, it’s just Bill running his mouth in that nebulous way that allows for multiple interpretations of his intended meaning…In my view, the Clintons (et al) are both serial law violators and veracity challenged. Add in their lack of political-moral-ethical values and factor-in their manic, perpetual quest for power and it becomes apparent to all but the thirstiest Kool-Aid drinkers on the Left that these two will say and do anything to regain what they most desire: power for the sake of having power…Neither of them care a whit about the people who, rather dim-wittedly, follow them.
No matter what Bill said, he said it in a considered but manic attempt to regain political power, even if it is vicariously through his (nominally, at least) wife.
Together, the Clintons and their cohort are a danger not only to the United States, but to the entire industrialized world.
Posted by: jColes | January 31, 2008, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
Is Bill Clinton in the same Democrat party that says the U.S. is in a virtual “depression” due to G.W.Bush policies? Talk about a hypocrit! Not on my watch does this guy get near the White House again! TC
Posted by: Thomas Claridge | January 31, 2008, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm
SHUT UP BILL, NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR YOU ANY LONGER YOU LYING,CRIMINAL HYPOCRITE! PUT THIS SELF-CENTERED ME GENERATION WHITE COLLAR CRIMINAL AND HIS WIFE OUT TO PASTRURE
Posted by: geddesman | January 31, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
Bill = Elitist hypocrite bigot with a penchant for adultery…..
He got his so why should anyone else have a chance. Wake up Dems, targeting CO2 means targeting heavy industry, which means targeting union labor. Ross may finally get his giant sucking sound.
Posted by: Doug P | January 31, 2008, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm
The Clintons are the biggest risk to this
country that we face today.
Google “The Great Global Warming Swindle”
Posted by: Randy Welsh | January 31, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm
This is why communists, socialists, and democrats are all on the same page!
Which is it America? Collapse into socialism like europe or rise again with capitalism and limited government?
Choice is yours: But Clinton and McCain won’t solve our problems…..The only candidate both sides DON’T WANT is Ron Paul; the only one who wants to CHANGE things.
Good luck America…
Posted by: jdub | January 31, 2008, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm
No need to fear – once GWB leaves office, his successor, be he Repub or Dem, will see to that.
Posted by: Dr. Proctor | January 31, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm
Another thing: what’s with the global warming conspiracy theories? Climatologists do not make loads of money. There is very little incentive for them to lie and a whole lot of incentive not to lie – as there is for any scientist. For those of you who think there is a conspiracy — do you actually know any scientists personally? They’re normal people. Usually somewhat more moral and intellectually honest than the average judging by the ones I’ve met. Ultimately, there’s a lot of evidence both for and against human-caused climate change, and which side you take is mostly a political decision.
However, on a scale of a hundred thousand years (as determined from ice cores), warmer temperatures are very highly correlated with higher carbon dioxide layers. And it cannot be denied that carbon dioxide does, in fact, trap infrared radiation in the atmosphere — that behavior can be derived from the molecular structure of carbon dioxide. So it is, in fact a reasonable conclusion that global warming is real — though the opposite conclusion is probably about equally reasonable.
Posted by: dan L. | January 31, 2008, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm
First we must remember that gloabl warming has been happening since the world stopped getting colder. As far as Bill goes, the only ones who consider his words have true meaning are those without common sense.
Posted by: Ted Nesterhaus | January 31, 2008, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm
Is Bill inhaling now???
“slow the economy”
“everyone knows global warming is real”
Posted by: Cap | January 31, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
Bill miss-spoke so Al Gore can step up and explain how the economy can flourish with green technology.
Isn’t it about time for him to come out of the closet? There’s work to be done!
Posted by: Joe | January 31, 2008, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm
CLAIM: temperature follows CO2…FALSE
Ice core samples have consistently shown CO2 FOLLOWS temperature by about 800 years! FOLKS, relax, we have been studying the air and environment for maybe 50 years….let’s not delude ourselves into thinking we solved millions of years within 50!
And the question really is:
Do we want to hurt our economy when China and India do NOT sign Kyoto and pollute more than us?
Choose Hillary or McCain and you are guaranteed NO CHANGE!
I had 3 investments outperform any of yours: GOD, GOLD, AND GUNS.
Good Luck slave labor…McCain and Clinton WIN American workers lose…
Posted by: jdub | January 31, 2008, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm
Global warming is not necessarily a scam to “get gore rich”
But, it is a scam. For the purpose of advancing socialism.
Posted by: cap | January 31, 2008, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm
We are already slowing down our economy. Since the early 1950′s we have sent 40 million of our manufacturing jobs to Asia! What more do the Democrats want us to do, go back to subsistance farming?
Posted by: Crusader | January 31, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
What a complete buffoon.
Posted by: Frank Grimes | January 31, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm
The sad thing to see hear is not global warming but how many Americans are ignorant in thinking there is a difference between Republican McCain and Democrat Clinton. Both CFR. Don’t know CFR, get educated. Too late for ’08 but not 2012 when Clinton goes for a 2nd term and Jeb Bush runs.
From 1988 to 2022 the monarchy will change between Clinton and Bush.
Good Job America, you have no one to blame but yourselves. Get back to work!
Posted by: jdub | January 31, 2008, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm
Bill is right. The economy has been an illusion built on cheap money and cheap oil. We are at the top of the peak oil curve, and once we hit the downslope of it, look out below – the death spiral starts. People need to start consuming less junk.
Posted by: Nick | January 31, 2008, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm
Bill is loosing it. He find it hard to believe that some half breed empty suit with Husein asn the middle name is kicking his wife’s butt in the run for the POTUS. It was not supposed to be this way. Blacks are supposed to blindly follow the first black president and his wify Hillary. B. Husein Obama needs to get in line with the likes of Bubba’s boys: Al “I’m a loud ignorant” Sharpton and Jesse “I have a 40K a year ho” Jackson. Otherwise the “Clinto Screw Machine” will end him.
Posted by: Pedro Gomez | January 31, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
Nice language lilnemo…typical clinton supporter. Can’t handle the heat so start cursing and call people names.
Sounds democrat to me.
BTW…why is it the Dems are for multiculturalism yet they are arguing about Black vs White, Male vs Female, and Black vote vs Hispanic vote.
What a bunch of two faced contradictions
Posted by: jdub | January 31, 2008, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm
“( as determined from ice cores) warmer temperatures are very highly correlated with higher carbon dioxide”… What the global warming freaks (including Gore) fail to deduce from those same ice cores is that the the warming of the earth increases carbon dioxide levels, not the other way around – a scientifically proven fact that is always somehow omitted by the left. The fact that the earth is warming (due to the Ice Age ending) is the reason the CO2 levels are rising. Human impact is miniscule, and the overwhelming cost to any nation that attempts to reduce CO2 will go bankrupt.
Further, humans are not and cannot destroy the earth. We could detonate every nuclear weapon in existence and we would still not destroy the earth. Stop saying that we are try to “save the planet”. The planet does not need our help. You can say that we are destroying human life, but not the planet. You want to save something? Save humans. We are but an insignificant speck to the earth, solar system, galaxy, and universe. We will destroy ourselves long before the sun overwhelms and destroys the Earth.
Posted by: Shane Miller | January 31, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
Bill Clinton says:
“We just have to slow down our economy and cut back our greenhouse gas emissions ’cause we have to save the planet for our grandchildren.”
My response:
Anyone who keeps themselves updated on the current scientific literature knows that virtually thousands (19,000 alone signed a petition from the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine) of scientists from throughout the world are saying that CO2 has not and will not in the near future have any effect on our climate.
“Deniers” — a phrase tagged onto those who oppose the Al Gore/UN fantasies — can now more correctly be tagged on those who, despite growing evidence to the contrary, believe that the minimal amount of CO2 produced by human activity culd possibly have have any effect on the 99.96% of the atmosphere that is NOT CO2.
Mr. Clinton’s assertion is, therefore, tripe. He is ignorant (or ignoring) the facts. Don’t listen to him.
Posted by: John from Northville | January 31, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm
Clint:
Do some homework. I will not insult you but you need to research more. Billy is trying to parse his words and say two things at once…a truly clintonian game. Your repeating what he said shows your naivete’. He IS SAYING we should move green at an economic cost and others might follow.
NO THANKS! Btw, our economy is already falling b-cuz global warming hoax. Look at price of gas or Toyota Prius.
Explain how poor Americans are being helped by the last 5 years of warming hoax? Looks to me like they are hurt!
Posted by: jdub | January 31, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
CNN is all over “We just have to slow our economy down”, so it’s a little late for shooting the messenger.
Posted by: Joe | January 31, 2008, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
My oh my, the blogger’s reading comprehension level is extremely low.
Bill Clinton cited the argument against taking action against greenhouse gases (that it would mean slowing the economy down) and systematically destroyed , and the blogger and the RNC now claim he’s saying we have to do it.
Goebbels lives.
Posted by: Beth | January 31, 2008, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
I detest the Clintons, especially the Ex-Liar in Chief, however this story is just disengenuous. If you actually don’t understand the quote you included in your story, you should turn in your “reporting” credentials and get a job at McDonalds. He was merely stating a plan of action by juxtaposing it against an untenable plan of action that would never be followed by the developing world if the 1st world was foolhardy enough to implement it.
Good grief.
Posted by: Joe | January 31, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
Remember what the idiots say is for you,
not for them.The idiots will not
sacrifice their good life.A fool and
his money are soon parted.Listen
carefully,free health insurance,college
education for the poor,not the community
college,the Ivy schools.This excites some.The fools listen to the idiots and
envision a perfect utopia.
Posted by: anthony | January 31, 2008, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm
Yet another proof that guy is an idiot.
Posted by: Sasha | January 31, 2008, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
hey jdub – grow up. you can criticize my horrible curse word (which I am sure you never, ever use in your personal life) and call me names, but you can’t refute either of my points…in other words, you’re a typical Republican.
Fact #1: Bill Clinton was completely taken out of context in Tapper’s report. Fact #2: George W. Bush is the worst president in history, you and your friends are responsible for him, and you can’t deny it. America will be paying for your and his sins for decades. I would think you’d be a little more humble after your judgement has been shown to be so seriously flawed. Second, I would think you’d be a little more critical of W for destroying your party for the foreseeable future.
Posted by: Lilnemo | January 31, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
There is Nothing humans can do to change global climate Cycles.
Posted by: tsEnigma | January 31, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
duh, slow the economy? Morons all of them, don’t listen to a word they say. Reduce population growth, that is the ONLY answer in the long term. The ONLY answer.
Posted by: chris | January 31, 2008, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm
Tapper – you might want to go back and look at the videotape. You got the story wrong. Time to issue a retraction.
Posted by: shingles | January 31, 2008, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm
Tapper – what a crappy pullout. You guys need to improve your comprehension skills; the country can’t survive if you never let a politicial pose a negative hypothetical again.
Or, sorry, let me use smaller words.
WHEN POLS TALK THEY MIGHT TALK ABOUT THINGS THEY’RE NOT FOR, THEN SAY WHY THEY’RE NOT FOR THAT. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE FOR THAT. IF YOU SAY THAT MEANS THEY ARE FOR THAT, YOU LIE.
Capiche?
Posted by: LA somebody | January 31, 2008, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm
I am a hardcore Obama supporter, but this is NOT what Clinton said. Obama supporters will not stoop to taking the other side’s statement’s out of context and twisting them to make our opponent sound bad. Clinton said that we could say that we have to slow down the economy to stop global warming, but that wouldn’t work for the rest of the world. Rather what we have to do is successfully argue that fighting global warming is good economics.
I’d call on Obama supporters NOT to stoop to what the Clintons have done in recent weeks (i.e. take the other side’s statements out of context and use them for political advantage). Moreover, ABC news should take this item down or correct it with a full, accurate analysis immediately.
Posted by: jpp | January 31, 2008, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm
Clinton wants to slow the economy down? So THAT’S why people are backing his wife for President. She’ll bring it to a standstill.
Posted by: Publius | January 31, 2008, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
ROFLcopter!!!! I don’t believe it. I mean here’s BJ trying to say we have to go to a socialist economy to “save our planet”. COME ON!! Here in Chicago the temps have been hovering in the single digits for almost a month. The bottom line is Clinton and his socialist ilk (not liberals mind you. The true liberals I see are actually Reagan conservatives IMO) are trying to get everyone to work the damn rice fields and remain poor for our children and our environment, where in reality it’ll do nothing more than ensure America is no longer a land of liberty and opportunity. There’s gonna be a revolution if people like Hillary stay stay in power by god.
Posted by: NamelessONE | January 31, 2008, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm
How in the heck does someone like Jake Tapper have a job somewhere other than Fox or the Washington Times?
No one could really be as dumb as he’s pretending to be and be a senior correspondent for ABC, could they?
Tapper is claiming that Clinton said EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what he actually said.
Posted by: t | January 31, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
Did you read the whole thing???? His comments were again taken out of context. Read the whole comment he made! I am in no way a Clinton supporter but the way the media is smearing the Clintons is very troubling. I am very disappointed in the media.
Posted by: katie | January 31, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm
Global warming? When was the last time it snowed in Jerusalem? Half the US has more snow this winter than the last ten winters and its still Global Warming.
Posted by: Bill | January 31, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
It’s obvious that science disagrees that Global Warming is a serious issue or that humans can affect it. China outproduces us in pollution. India outproduces us in pollution. Bill Clinton is qualified ONLY to play politics, not to advise us on the economy!!! CLINTON IS A POPULIST LIAR. SO IS OBAMA. SO IS HILLARY.
Posted by: Jay | January 31, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
Guys, he has the video links up hes not trying to deceive anyone. Bill said it don’t get mad at the messenger. I mean your acting like you can take what Bill said and interpret it to mean anything. Its plain and simple in black and white and all his policies back it! HELLO!!
Posted by: dLOVE | January 31, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
Take this article down? Why? This is a free country and he can write anything he wants. It is his opinion of what he had seen.
The onus is upon you!
Posted by: Free Speech | January 31, 2008, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm
Bubba Clinton is a moron.
Posted by: dilbert | January 31, 2008, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm
Bill Clinton is a moron! Every REAL scientist has declared that there is no “GLOBAL WARMING”! This is just more Socialist/Communist gobly-gook! When I was in elementary school the catch phrase was “Next Ice Age” is coming!! Imagine that – the ice age is over and now we are roasting…..all in a matter of just 30 years!
Posted by: Dan Ferguson | January 31, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
China and India are not bound by Kyoto, if they were, Global Warming would be slowed down alot.
Posted by: bob | January 31, 2008, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
Global warming is a pretend threat, so let’s just pretend to slow down the economy and the problem will go away.
Posted by: DUH! | January 31, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
right … so a permanent recession is the answer to Global Warming. 1st of all the global mongers can’t tell me what the weather will be like next week so why should i trust them with predictions ten years to the future?
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Posted by: stephen caputo | January 31, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
I think Bill and Osama have something in common…they want to slow down our economy…I think they could form the next dream team. Bill can’t get his wife to set the policies that will drain our country within and Osama can fly planes at our buildings…then the world would be saved!!
Posted by: d LOVE | January 31, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm
Maybe Hilary will beat Monica’s ex Boyfriends record of 7 Terrorist attacks in 8 years that are listed below
993
Feb. 26, New York City: bomb exploded in basement garage of World Trade Center, killing 6 and injuring at least 1,040 others. In 1995, militant Islamist Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and 9 others were convicted of conspiracy charges, and in 1998, Ramzi Yousef, believed to have been the mastermind, was convicted of the bombing. Al-Qaeda involvement is suspected.
1995
Nov. 13, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: car bomb exploded at U.S. military headquarters, killing 5 U.S. military servicemen.
1996
June 25, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia: truck bomb exploded outside Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds of others. 13 Saudis and a Lebanese, all alleged members of Islamic militant group Hezbollah, were indicted on charges relating to the attack in June 2001.
1998
Aug. 7, Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania: truck bombs exploded almost simultaneously near 2 U.S. embassies, killing 224 (213 in Kenya and 11 in Tanzania) and injuring about 4,500. 4 men connected with al-Qaeda 2 of whom had received training at al-Qaeda camps inside Afghanistan, were convicted of the killings in May 2001 and later sentenced to life in prison. A federal grand jury had indicted 22 men in connection with the attacks, including Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden, who remained at large.
2000
Oct. 12, Aden, Yemen: U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole heavily damaged when a small boat loaded with explosives blew up alongside it. 17 sailors killed. Linked to Osama bin Laden, or members of al-Qaeda terrorist network.
I WANT MY MOMMY
Hilary Clinton For President
Posted by: radical1a | January 31, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm
Bubba outta stick to what he knows best……women! Leave the economy and global warming to the experts.
Posted by: Michael Flanagan | January 31, 2008, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm
Jimmy Carter all over again, we are a 2nd rate country running out of gas in 10-12 years. 21% bank interest and triple gas prices are good for us. geez….how can you even consider these flakes…or maybe if you wait long enough, folks will forget. O yes you have a choice, a default senator who want to legalize drugs
Posted by: robert miers | January 31, 2008, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm
Wow. I am a staunch conservative and as deeply as I feel that the Democratic point of view is deeply flawed on many levels, I find myself strangely arguing that the premise of this article is completely false. What was reported by Mr. Tapper is not at all what Bill Clinton said. And, I cannot believe that the route the story takes in this article is anything but intentional. Mr. Clinton’s speech in no way suggested that we need to slow down our economy.
My advise to all who care about our country…verify what you hear, regardless of where you hear it.
Because I am a conservative I am supposed to hate the poor, not care about destroying this planet and believe everything negative I read about the Dems and the liberal left. If you knew me you would realize that none of that is true and before I believe the media, right or left, if a story interests me, I will investigate it further before forming an opinion. It’s a good way to go because you can weed out the articles, such as this one, as being tabloid in their presentation.
Posted by: Dave | January 31, 2008, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm
Any idiot knows the economy will suffer greatly if we take any action to combat
the hoax of global warming. Any politician calling for action is only mining for votes. They know we can’t afford to do anything.
Posted by: randy | January 31, 2008, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm
I am no fan of Bill, but less of a news report like this that is so misleading it is irresponsible.
Listen to the whole quote(13:28 into the speech), not just a snippet out of context and you will see why this news report is so wrong
Posted by: NOTR | January 31, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm
I am amazed that you hold the position of ABC News Senior National Correspondent. Please get your facts straight next time you make such reports. Shame on you!
Here is the entire quote, courtesy of Huffington Post’s Jason Linkins.
“Everybody knows that global warming is real,” Mr. Clinton said, giving a shout-out to Al Gore’s Nobel Peace Prize, “but we cannot solve it alone.”
”And maybe America, and Europe, and Japan, and Canada — the rich counties — would say, ‘OK, we just have to slow down our economy and cut back our greenhouse gas emissions ’cause we have to save the planet for our grandchildren.’ We could do that.”
“But if we did that, you know as well as I do, China and India and Indonesia and Vietnam and Mexico and Brazil and the Ukraine, and all the other countries will never agree to stay poor to save the planet for our grandchildren. The only way we can do this is if we get back in the world’s fight against global warming and prove it is good economics that we will create more jobs to build a sustainable economy that saves the planet for our children and grandchildren. It is the only way it will work.”
Posted by: flux | January 31, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm
I just donated to Obama. As long as Hillary, doesn’t win I don’t care who does. She stands for nothing. She is a FRAUD there is no PROOF she has done anything of note.
Posted by: Adealia Artist | January 31, 2008, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm
Jake Tapper should be suspended or demoted for this irresponsible journalism. The title and copy of this piece are HIGHLY misleading, if not a downright lie.
Do we have to factcheck ABC? Where are the editors?
Posted by: gloria | January 31, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm
Oh, so you actually do quote him correctly. My mistake. Wow, and you still use that headline? Please correct yourself.
Posted by: flux | January 31, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm
Jake Tapper got it completely backwards.
Bill Clinton said we SHOULDN’T slow down the economy, by critically quoting those who say we should, then arguing against them.
Jake Tapper then reports that Bill Clinton says we SHOULD slow down the economy.
Tapper got it backwards. And now the Republicans are running with a false CLINTON WANTS TO SLOW THE ECONOMY story, using ABC News as a stamp of approval for the veracity of the false story.
Jake Tapper should issue a clear correction and apologize for his serious mistake. This isn’t even a close call. He completely messed up.
Fix it, Mr. Tapper.
Posted by: Mark M. | January 31, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
This quote is exactly what came out of Mr. Clinton’s mouth. Just because the entire speech wasn’t added along with it does not mean this reporter lied.
Global warming is not proven by facts. So eat it!
Posted by: AJ | January 31, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
Mr. Bill said, “The only places in the world today in rich countries where you have rising wages and declining inequality are places that have generated more jobs than rich countries because they made a commitment we didn’t. They got serious about a clean, efficient, green, independent energy future…”
Which countries, Bill? Would you please name them? Also, how much jet fuel have you burned stumping for Thunder Thighs?
Posted by: T Nick | January 31, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
Oh my god, the poor baby liberals are all upset about people being misquoted. You and the MSM has been taking what conservatives say out of context for 20 years.
Little spoiled brats can’t handle when the shoe is on the other foot. Sad and sick.
Posted by: Curt Selser | January 31, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm
And the severity of taking Clinton out of context is so much worse than when Rush Limbaugh was taken out of context on his Phoney Soldiers quote? Or when McCain is misquoting Romney on timetables for military withdrawl?
I’m not fond of any of these guys, just pointing out the huge double-standard here. Apparently it’s only ok to misquote others if they are more conservative than you.
Posted by: DataHavok | January 31, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm
Don’t worry. Once Hillary slows the economy down for our own good, she will implement plenty of social welfare programs to help us and keep us dependent on the federal government for generations to come.
Posted by: Liberal Larry | January 31, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
I am NOT a fan of the Clintons. In fact I am inspired by Obama and would dearly love to see him win. But, this news item is just completely WRONG!!! Bill does not say that we should slow the economy. He is painting a hypothetical situation and comparing the response of the worlds other nations – rich & poor to say exactly the reverse. That it does not make sense to Slow the economy. Please report RESPONSIBLY!!!
Posted by: Amith | January 31, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
Does this statement say Bill Clinton wants to slow down the economy???
“The only way we can do this is if we get back in the world’s fight against global warming and prove it is good economics that we will create more jobs to build a sustainable economy that saves the planet for our children and grandchildren. It is the only way it will work. ”
It sounds to me that he wants to actually CREATE more green jobs to fight climate change. Last time I looked, more jobs leads to a improving economy.
What is wrong with Tapper???
Posted by: w | January 31, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
rom paaaaaauuul for presidaaaant!
Posted by: Lolkor | January 31, 2008, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm
Of course Bill and Hill won’t be cutting back their lifestyles. Everyone else will just have to cut back on theirs, don rags, and beg for scraps as servants in the Clintons’ big house. It’s for the children.
Posted by: Jersey Dave | January 31, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
I will do all I can to stop socialism in this country. They cannot silence me. I will not argue or insult. I will do all I can to prevail.
Posted by: KansasGirl | January 31, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
If yu want to slow the economy, just raise everybody’s taxes, give $5000 rebates to new babies, and freeze interest rates. WAITAMINUTE! That’s what Hillary has said she’s gonna do. If she’s elected, looks like we all might have to take a job overseas after all.
Posted by: RT | January 31, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
Democrats are the word police, you cant use this word or that word. Naturally they are also the context police. People need to know what all the new global warming laws will do to the economy and how employment will be effected. If giving people a refund works to stimulate the economy per NancyP. Then what will raising taxes do. Dems are also the global warming deniers police, if your a non-believer you must also be in need of some sort of rehab.
Posted by: Jason | January 31, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
w….Pay more attention to what he said.
“We just have to slow down our economy and cut back our greenhouse gas emissions ’cause we have to save the planet for our grandchildren.”
Posted by: RT | January 31, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
This is so wrong. Jake, did you hear/read what Bill said in the very next paragraph? Please report responsibly!
Posted by: Chris | January 31, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
How can you possibly increase the economy by implementing projects attempting to turn around “global warming?” You’re just shifting where the jobs are created and who’s benefitting…and increasing costs to the consumer. Manufacturing companies suddenly have to purchase services and products to reduce “greenhouse gasses,” which increases the manufacturing cost, benefits the companies providing those services and products, and increases the cost of the manufactured product to the consumer….duh….
Posted by: J | January 31, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm
This is so wrong. Jake, did you hear/read what Bill said in the very next paragraph? Please report responsibly!
Yes, he said the truth “We must Slow the Economy” then realized what he said and Lied (he IS a CONVICTED LIER as we all know) “Create more jobes”…HOW will we create more jobs?? That is all these Liberal do is say they have these “goals” but never achieve them. Like War on Poverty, Improve Education, Create Jobes…but they never happen. 40 years of promises and ZERO results…
Posted by: Maryellen | January 31, 2008, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm
Lets be realistic. We can either take the necessary actions to stop the global buildup of greenhouse gases — like slowing the world economy while there maybe time left to do so, or the emerging consquences of global warming will do it for us. And nobody wants to experience that!
In August, 2006, I gave a power-point-presentation at the Veterans For Peace National Convention titled, “A World of Hurt or Hope: The National Security Implications of Global warming/ Abrupt Climate Change.
Posted by: John Seebeth | January 31, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
People please quit jumping all over Mr Tapper! That’s what Clinton said “we’ll have to slow down the economy to save the environment”. He said it, it’s on tape.
IMHO, we need to get out of the dynasty business with respect to our white house residents. We’ve had enough Bushes, and one Clinton is one too many. I’m with K – “Clintons, go away!!”
Posted by: DB | January 31, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm
Jake, you need to issue a correction right away. President Clinton did NOT say what you accuse him of – indeed, he suggests the exact opposite. Shame on you if you didn’t read the full quote. Shame on you if you did.
Posted by: Aaron | January 31, 2008, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm
Great Bill (sarcasm)! You must be happy about the anemic growth last quarter, the higher unemployment this month then, eh? What a buffoon. SPEAK MORE BILL, SPEAK MORE!
Posted by: tom s | January 31, 2008, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm
Does it get any better than this…and bears repeating
UPDATE: Not so difficult to predict — the RNC just issued a statement in response to the former President’s comment.
“Senator Clinton’s campaign now says we must ‘slow down the economy’ to stop global warming,” said Alex Conant, RNC Spokesman. “Clinton needs to come back to Earth. Her ‘tax-it, spend-it, regulate-it’ attitude would really bring the economy crashing down. No amount of special effects will hide Clinton’s liberal record.”
Posted by: debby morgan | January 31, 2008, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm
Please don’t cut and paste comment
Actually the full quote shows that President Clinton was making the opposite point. He actually rejected slowing down the economy, and advocated for sustainable economic growth.
The full quote:
“And maybe America, and Europe, and Japan, and Canada — the rich counties — would say, ‘OK, we just have to slow down our economy and cut back our greenhouse gas emissions ’cause we have to save the planet for our grandchildren.’ We could do that.
But if we did that, you know as well as I do, China and India and Indonesia and Vietnam and Mexico and Brazil and the Ukraine, and all the other countries will never agree to stay poor to save the planet for our grandchildren. The only way we can do this is if we get back in the world’s fight against global warming and prove it is good economics that we will create more jobs to build a sustainable economy that saves the planet for our children and grandchildren. It is the only way it will work.”
Posted by: Tara C | January 31, 2008, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm
Insane!
Posted by: frank | January 31, 2008, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm
ABC reporters telling lies.
Say it ain’t so!
LOL
Posted by: Orval | January 31, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm
It’s pretty arrogant to presume that man is so powerful as to be able to control Earth’s climate. It’s utterly absurd.
It’s a waste of effort and resources to try to control something that can’t be controlled. Our focus should be on ADAPTING to Earth’s climate, not CHANGING it.
Posted by: Dan | January 31, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
AJ said:
“This quote is exactly what came out of Mr. Clinton’s mouth. Just because the entire speech wasn’t added along with it does not mean this reporter lied.
Global warming is not proven by facts. So eat it!”
So, AJ, if I may paraphrase, you are saying “Global warming is … proven by facts.”
Do I have that about right? That is what you “said”, isn’t it?
Posted by: Paul | January 31, 2008, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm
“But if we did that, you know as well as I do, China and India and Indonesia and Vietnam and Mexico and Brazil and the Ukraine, and all the other countries will never agree to stay poor to save the planet for our grandchildren. ”
This sounds like a perfect argument against the Kyoto Protocol that Bubba tried to shove down our throats.
Posted by: McDole | January 31, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
I really like Bill Clinton’s idea. Heck lets slow the economy down.I’m 51 yrs. old today. I mean, I’m tired and need a break. Heck under Pres. Hillary’s plan, I will get free health care, free govt. programs for everything! Heck, lets just tax all the big profits from all those rich companies. They won’t need all those profits in a slowing economy to pay my wages, because I won’t have a job to feed my family anyway. Heck already gonna lose my house to a slowing economy, free housing for all sounds good. I might as well sit down now, and start relaxing. Because I know that they are gonna take care of me. Heck even if
Pres. Hillary raises taxes to a 100% to cover everything… taking 100% of my wages when I am not work’n, is still a 100% of nothing. I can just sit back and know that I will be taken care of. Sorta like a welfare nanny state…sounds good. Still haven’t figured out who’s gonna do all the work of producing food, and everything else if no ones work’n. At least global warming will miraculously disappear.
Posted by: Rick | January 31, 2008, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
Let’s see how this works. We lay off American workers to slow our economy; then other countries can hire more of their workers to take up the slack.
Bill, you said you didn’t inhale and I believed you. Now I’m not sure.
Are American unions okay with your economic plan?
Posted by: willow | January 31, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
If you want to see “Slowdown” Unkle Bill, you should come to MICHIGAN, we defined “Slowdown”! I thought I read somewhere this planet had more global warming during the times of Christ than we do now.
Posted by: Boomer | January 31, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
It’s pretty easy for a rich guy like Clinton to want to slow down the economy, personally I think freedom is the best answer, which is why Ron Paul would make a great President
Posted by: bob | January 31, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
Jack Moody
Thanks for your feedback.
Obviously I don’t agree with NONE of your rebuttal points.
Posted by: John Seebeth | January 31, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
Full quote below. What a hack job. They pay this guy? This is so blatant.
“And maybe America, and Europe, and Japan, and Canada — the rich counties — would say, ‘OK, we just have to slow down our economy and cut back our greenhouse gas emissions ’cause we have to save the planet for our grandchildren.’ We could do that.”
Posted by: Dave | January 31, 2008, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm
I’ll give up my planet-killing American lifestyle right after the Clintons and the Gores do. When they go back to living in caves and gibbering in awe at the black monolith, I’ll be there with them. But until they do, they can bloody well shut up about the environment and the economy. They have as much credibility on this subject as my cat does.
Posted by: Matthew Graybosch | January 31, 2008, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm
Yup, before ‘global warming’ there were no hurricanes, there were no fires, there were no floods, there were not tornado’s, it was just peace loving peoples of the world all living in harmony with Mother Earth. Then along came the 1990s/2000′s and every malady is blamed on this witch hunt of a subject. A good portion of the public now believes in this crap because of constant spewage from the MSM, schools etc…you can’t go a day without having one thing or another blamed on this bugaboo….all because of a relative change in temp of .5C. Disgusting manipulation of an ignorant public.
Posted by: tom s | January 31, 2008, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm
Classic. Keep talking Bill.
Posted by: frege | January 31, 2008, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm
Hillory and Bill (the HillBillies) still will do nothing about illegals, which is a bigger problem, the american people have to solve this
Posted by: bob | January 31, 2008, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm
Maybe if Mr. Clinton stopped flying around the world to pick up checks for his speeches our carbon footprint would go down about 50%. Thanks Bill for telling me how to live while you reel in the dough.
Posted by: Craig | January 31, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
BREAKING NEWS
This economy blather is being upstaged with immigration news.
MAPA has endorsed Obama, maybe because he supports drivers licenses for illegals.
Let’s see what Hillary does with it tonight, but both will likely play the subject down.
News from Phoenix is that apartments are emptying out since the new law took affect that prosecutes employers who hire illegals. No worries about sending them back home!
Posted by: Joe | January 31, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
Let’s continue to send our manufacturing jobs overseas while idiots like Clinton, Gore and Bono live in mansions, flying around the world telling us about the evils of global warming. If the people who think that global warming is going to be the death of mankind, I want to see them walk or ride bikes, live in tents and not use any electricity.
Posted by: Kramo | January 31, 2008, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm
This is why we are going down the tubes. What world does he live in? Have him and Big Al give up the jets and 6 homes and limo service and catered lunches and kleig lights and the unrelenting hypocricy that passes for leadership. Schmuck.
Posted by: John | January 31, 2008, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm
~~In a long, and interesting speech, he characterized what the U.S. and other industrialized nations need to do to combat global warming this way: “We just have to slow down our economy and cut back our greenhouse gas emissions ’cause we have to save the planet for our grandchildren.”~~~
Posted by: ZZ | January 31, 2008, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm
I’m sure that if Communist China funneled as much money to any of you as they have to the Clinton’s – you’d be trying to give them every opportunity to bypass us a super power too!
Besides that, how do you expect them to complete the Clinton/Bush plan of a One World Government if you don’t slow our economy down so the rest of the World economies’ can catch up?
Hey – it’s all to save our Planet — and the Children — And that cute little Bunny or whatever other excuse they can get you to swallow to complete their Communist adgenda.
We live in scary time’s folks!
Posted by: J Stalin | January 31, 2008, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm
Cutting CO2 means cutting energy and that cuts the economy. You do not need to be a Nobel Prize winning scientist, economist or ex-Vice President to figure that out.
What I’m wondering is what are all these phony-baloney “scientists” going to do when their funding dries up and their bureaus are shut because the entitlements are exceeding revenues? How many cab drivers do we need?
Adrian Vance
Posted by: Adrian Vance | January 31, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm
J. Stalin – I’m with you all the way on that one! I didn’t like the way Hillary wants the Community raising our children. Don’t they do that in China now where they send the kids away & the parents are given a nice apartment for their “donation”? Can we say Fascism?
Posted by: Melanie | January 31, 2008, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm
President Bill: Helloooooo, where are you? The economy is ALREADY slowing down so we don’t need it to slow any more.
Posted by: Ken | January 31, 2008, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm
Unlimited growth within a system of finite resources is the idealogy of the cancer cell, I’ve heard it said.
Posted by: Damon F. | January 31, 2008, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm
I can NOT WAIT for the Clintons to retire to Arkansas and get back to their basics….and get the HELL out of our business. BC was (and still is) a moron, and HRC has proved the same. Sheeesh!
Posted by: Frank Morris | January 31, 2008, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm
Hey, Bill is just trying to get a plug in here for global warming and alternate energy, since he now has a connection to uranium mining magnates who have donated $33 million and promised another $100 million for his foundation. That’s what we all need, is a foundation.
Posted by: GC | January 31, 2008, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm
We must stop the Third coming of Bill Clinton. This guy is a dweeb. Slow down the economy? Didn’t they just lower the interest rates to stimulate the economy? Are they not getting ready to dole out 150 billion to stimulate the economy? Bill must not keep up on current events.
Maybe Bill is right. So let us all do our part to slow the economy. Everybody go into work tomorrow and quit their jobs. Then go to the Welfare Office to collect our benefits. When they ask you why you quit your job just tell them that you are doing your part to thwart “global warming” I am sure that they will jump for joy and give you all the benefits you need to survive. Your house payment, car payment, free health care, free tickets to sporting events, maybe they will give us all free electric cars, everything will be free. The rich will pay for it all in taxes. OOPS, I forgot, the rich won’t have jobs either because we are not working. Maybe the other countries will send us money because we are so dedicated to saving the world from “global warming”. I am sure they will send money to the politicians because someone has to run the country. Wait a minute. I just realized that there would be no welfare office. No government because everyone quit their jobs. WE ARE SCREWED!!! Good thinking Bill.
Posted by: Rick Miller | January 31, 2008, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm
Correct context or not, I’m buying some popcorn and waiting to watch Angry Bubba spit on himself trying to defend his words. It’s great entertainment when he loses it.
Posted by: Jean | January 31, 2008, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm
I’m from Australia, where this global warming debate is also becoming mainstream. The problem is not our large economies slowing down, but those of emerging economies ramping up.
Consider this.
We, in those large Western Economies take the things that they do not have for granted, things like electric power. The biggest producer of greenhouse gases on the planet are coal fired electric power generators to supply electric power to the masses. Emerging economies like those two largest on the Planet, China and India are not currently subject to the Kyoto Protocol, because they are emerging. In the main, vast millions of people do not have access to electric power at all. So, as their economies become stronger, more people have access to electric power. In China alone, they will never catch up to the percentage of people that have electricity that we already have. China alone is opening coal fired power stations (because these are the cheapest to construct) at the rate of, and I’ll capitalise it for effect, ONE PER DAY, and they’ll be doing this for the next ten to fifteen years, so that could be five thousand and more in the long term, and this is just China, and still it won’t reach half the people there. India would be the same.
All this just so those two countries of almost a Billion people each can even approach our standard of living.
For our economies to slow down to compensate for that, we would have to go back to living in caves, and still that would have almost zero effect.
Are we to deny those people a rudimentary standard of living that we take for granted.
No it’s not a case of ‘we people’ slowing down our economy, but a way forwards has to be found.
Sorry to take so much space.
Tony.
Posted by: TonyfromOz | January 31, 2008, 5:53 pm 5:53 pm
Who Wants To Be The First To Sacrifice their Livilyhood for the snipe hunt that is Global Warming …. Anyone, Anyone?
Posted by: bill p. | January 31, 2008, 5:53 pm 5:53 pm
Clinton said this week: “Here is Hillary’s message if you make her President: We’re back.”
Holy crap.
Posted by: Ana Sarcas | January 31, 2008, 5:58 pm 5:58 pm
Obviously he just wants to sabotage her campaign! We’re trying to get an economic stimulus package through congress, the fed has dropped interest rates by 1.25% in 8 days…and he wants to SLOW the economy?
Posted by: mad monk | January 31, 2008, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm
You dont have to cut down on energy consumption to stop global warming. Simply just change the way you get energy. We could switch to electric vehicles and use clean coal to power them.. Or nuclear power. Even if we stopped using oil in the US whats to stop the billion chinese from buying cars? Nothing you cant stop global warming by “conserving” energy.. It has to be a complete change from fossil fuels to renewables, and these changes have to become cheap enough to sell to the third world.
But thats not what this article is about, this is pure republican pornography. So beat off you troglodytes, light your torches and grab your pitchforks. Keep voting against your self interest so by 2016 America will have completed its fall to third world status.
Posted by: Joe Camel | January 31, 2008, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm
Yea, our economy is growing so fast at 1.6 percent. I guess Bubba has the answer a state of continual recession. Of course it won’t hurt him and his elite class. They don’t need jobs and they can pay for food, shelter and heat. But it will sure make them feel better when they gulfstream their way to conferences to tell the rest of of us how to live and feel guilty for any comfort that we might want for OUR families.
Posted by: Dennis | January 31, 2008, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm
Why hasn’t America gotten fed up with these hicks yet?
Posted by: Darkstar | January 31, 2008, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm
While the internet boom played a large part, Clinton resided over the longest continuous period of economic growth in the history of the U.S. Makes you want to reassess these notions that another Clinton administration would spell economic doom.
Posted by: Pablo | January 31, 2008, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm
Wake up morons, Global Warming is a hoax. In the 70s, it was the age of Global Cooling.
Ever heard of the Ice Age?
Feel free to drive the Yugo as I drive quite comfortably in my SUV.
Posted by: KY | January 31, 2008, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
The agenda of these psydointellectual elets is ti enslave us.
They are becomeing more and more obvious.
Posted by: Philip Gehring | January 31, 2008, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
To put the whole Climate Change issue into perspective vis-a-vis the Peak Oil Crisis, everyone needs to ask themselves, their associates, all sitting elected officials and those seeking office, especially the office of President of the United States, “What is more threatening in both the long and short terms, a beneficial 1 degree F rise in average world temperatures over the past 100 years, or a 1 percent decline in world oil production over the last 100 weeks – with steepening declines forecast? Furthermore, can our economy better deal with declining fuel inventories in an environment of persistent warming, or in an environment of declining average temperatures over the next several decades, the most likely scenario given the highly reliable solar inertial motion (SIM) model forecasts of climate change?”
Posted by: John A. Jauregui | January 31, 2008, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm
I am a big Obama supporter and have disliked the Former President and Senator Clinton’s distortion of Obama’s comments. Unfortunately, the RNC is doing the same thing. It is clear to me from his full quote that he thinks “slowing down the economy” is a bad idea. Let’s stop intentionally mischaracterizing one another for personal gain, okay?
Posted by: Joshua | January 31, 2008, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm
RE: smart
OH PLEASE, Mr Smart…save the planet…please oh please…how much money do you need? Shall I turn off my furnace tonight? I mean, it’s warmer tonight, only going to be 4F for a low…I can handle it…
Posted by: tom s | January 31, 2008, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm
20 years of bush and clintons think its time to move on.
Posted by: kevin | January 31, 2008, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm
yes tom,it starts with you. please turn off your furnace. i will do the same, and if we all do that, we can avoid the tipping point where the earth warms over 1 degree and all the artic and antartic ice melts, and were all screwed. if you knew about science before it is edited by white house officials who work for exxon you would know that. smart
Posted by: smart | January 31, 2008, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm
Too bad Clinton never said what Jake claims. Where does Mr. Tapper get his information anyway? From a ouija board?
This is the kind of nonesense I’d expect to hear from Brit Hume but I’d expect ABC to actually fact check this stuff. And wouldn’t it be a shame for the economy to devlop new industries and let innovation take hold. Ever wonder why the greenest state, California, is the most prosperous?
Posted by: bebop | January 31, 2008, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm
REALLY.. what Bill is saying is we need to STOP CHINA and INDIA’s economy..
Remember when you lost your job, you were told “its a global economy”
And that is were all the STOPPIN needs to go…
Posted by: earlly bird | January 31, 2008, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm
There is just as much “scientific evidence” that man has nothing to do with global warming, and that the earth is in fact just going through it’s natural warming and cooling cycles. This is why twenty five years ago Time magazine was warning that we were all going to freeze to death in the coming ice age. But the left in this country, and their willing allies in the media, don’t want any of that evidence to see the light of day. They won’t even talk to the multitude of scientists that refuse to blame humans-specificly American humans-for every single degree of increase in surface tempature. That pompous, elitist jerk Al Gore actually believes that he gets to declare when a debate is over and when it isn’t. IT IS NOT! And it won’t be until ALL of the scientific data is analyzed and debated, whether it supports the pre-determined conclusions of the left or not. Only after that debate, a real debate, can we plot a constructive course of action.
Posted by: Mark | January 31, 2008, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm
In fact, he said just the opposite. Clinton said, “The only places in the world today in rich countries where you have rising wages and declining inequality are places that have generated more jobs than rich countries because they made a commitment we didn’t. They got serious about a clean, efficient, green, independent energy future
Posted by: Norm | January 31, 2008, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm
Slow down the economy for global warming. Yeah, that sounds very, very, progressive. So, here’s what’s going to happen. Hillary’s going to have to announce that she’s changed her mind on the economy and it needs to get worse. The democrats are sure to vote for that! That’s the kind of thing they love.
Posted by: TexBork | January 31, 2008, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm
To all people who are interested in truth in reporting: This “reporter” should be ashamed of himself – he is no reporter. To see the content of the speech, go to Hillaryclinton.com and read the transcript of the talk (I can not find any other place that is showing the speech). He clearly said slowing our economy is not the answer. ABC should be ashamed of such news fabrication. He should have linked the entire quote on his website not only 2 seconds worth of words. This guy should be fired. Whether you are Clinton or Obama supporter or you are a republican — object to this kind of news fabrication, it undermined our democracy. It may suit one candidate today but tomorrow they will do this to your candidate or other issues that you care about.
Posted by: jack | January 31, 2008, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm
The Clintons are communists ?
Surely you jest ?
Someone needs to tell the conservatives just exactly -where- Bush is borrowing all the money they are over spending with…
That’s right folks, -Communist- China.
Can you say “Projection” ?
I knew you could.
Posted by: Communista | January 31, 2008, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
call nasa and ask for a scientist. not a lawyer or hr rep or public relation person. ask them about global warming. they will tell you gore is right. only politicians debate it. they are paid to by corporate lobbyists.
Posted by: notstupid | January 31, 2008, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm
Why is ABC twisting the facts? Mr. Clinton actually said exactly the opposite of what the head line of the news reads. Stop fooling American people with mis-representating Clintons and stop the Obama propoganda machine.
This is ridiculous!!
Posted by: Chiman | January 31, 2008, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm
These elitist snobs who have 1000 x my carbon footprint want me to suffer under a slow economy to reduce greenhouse gasses. Thanks alot you carbon pigs. You won’t be happy until those of us who work are reduced to hunter-gatherers while you wallow in your gulfstream gas guzzler looking down on us pions. I have an idea, global-warming elitists can pay 90% tax on everything they own every year to subsidize development of green energy. Wouldn’t you agree Billary?
Posted by: vicki | January 31, 2008, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
For all you naysayers that think there is no such thing as anthropogenic climate change, please refer your republican and/or ignorant toosh to Bush’s State of the Union, where he stated he wants an international treaty of nations to agree to slow, stop , and reverse greenhouse gases to fight global climate change….ummm hello, your republican president just conceded that, but you wont hear that on Fox or Rush, because that would be too grown-up to concede you were wrong.
Posted by: Seth | January 31, 2008, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm
This post by Jake Tapper is clearly a total misrepresentation of what Bill Clinton said. He was saying the opposite of what the headline here says.
I’m a Hillary supporter, but I will defend Obama or anyone else too if they are incorrectly quoted by the media. We’ve gotta do better than this and journalists should be held accountable for what they say, especially when it impacts an election.
Posted by: Manton | January 31, 2008, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm
Bill clinton: “The only way we can do this is if we get back in the world’s fight against global warming and prove it is good economics that we will create more jobs to build a sustainable economy that saves the planet for our children and grandchildren.”
This is fantastical thinking. AGW is a fantasy spun by NGO bureaucrats, socialist liberals and their fellow travelers in academia (who despise the captalism that provides them with their tenured jobs). It is never eceonomical to pay a cost and receive no benefit. Why don’t we just take 10-20% of every American’s income in cash and burn it every year. That confer the same amount of benefit as CO2 emissions controls would and it would cost about the same.
I also love to hear liberals talk about sustainability in regard to organic food and energy. The concept of sustainability escapes them when it comes to unsustainable social programs.
Posted by: jt007 | January 31, 2008, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm
As usual Mr Clinton sticks his rotten oar in the water and thinks he has answers. Global warming has nothing to do with a good economy; it has to do with ignorant and greedy industrialists who feel they can rule world until doomsday. It also has to do with the ethics of the President on hand and the the Congress, something Mr Clinton also hasn’t and idea about. How quickly people forget what he and the Bushes have done to us all.
Posted by: Ian | January 31, 2008, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm
Bill clinton: “The only way we can do this is if we get back in the world’s fight against global warming and prove it is good economics that we will create more jobs to build a sustainable economy that saves the planet for our children and grandchildren.”
This is fantastical thinking. AGW is a fantasy spun by NGO bureaucrats, socialist liberals and their fellow travelers in academia (who despise the captalism that provides them with their tenured jobs). It is never eceonomical to pay a cost and receive no benefit. Why don’t we just take 10-20% of every American’s income in cash and burn it every year. That confer the same amount of benefit as CO2 emissions controls would and it would cost about the same.
I also love to hear liberals talk about sustainability in regard to organic food and energy. The concept of sustainability escapes them when it comes to unsustainable social programs.
Posted by: jt007 | January 31, 2008, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm
Alert! Alert! It is now proposed that those cute portable patio heaters are contributing to global warming! Are they used when it is cold or warm outside? By the way, Who or what determines the world is getting too warm? How warm was it when man first happened on the scene? Or when the dinosaurs roamed the place?
Global warming = voodoo science
nuff said
Posted by: Larry | January 31, 2008, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm
kgb is right, i saw it. abc is not nuetral at all but apparently has an agenda to push.
Posted by: yupp | January 31, 2008, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm
Science and history of the planet shows that temperature change is cyclical and that CO2 levels follow temperature change, not vise versa. Yes we’re in a slight warming pattern, but there’s no proof it’s because of man. Its all a liberal hoax. Quit scaring the children.
Posted by: edward | January 31, 2008, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm
Shame on you ABC – we need a public apology for lying and take this story down immediately.
Posted by: Chiman | January 31, 2008, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm
Bill Clinton is insane!!! Slow down our economy?
Hey Bill&Hill thats a great way to dig the country out of the minor economic slow down we’ve experienced in the past couple months….
Our choices for president from either party aren’t the best this time around, but hopefully comments like this will help to eliminate a very bad choice for our great country… We are in for big problems if Bill&Hill get back in
Posted by: bubba 3 | January 31, 2008, 7:21 pm 7:21 pm
Former Pres. Clinton…give me a break. slow the worlds economies…what bumbling nobody. Tell the guy to SHUT UP!!!
Posted by: john | January 31, 2008, 7:21 pm 7:21 pm
Has anyone bothered to view the entire video clip? It doesn’t come close to what this blog infers.
This political system has been reduced to a waste of time; there is NO media organization left with a shred of integrity.
Posted by: Robert | January 31, 2008, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm
Bill’s wife wants to be President. Terrifying. Absolutely frightening to think that these liberal anti-Americans have a shot (again) at the highest office in the Land. Seriously: “slow down the economy’ to protect us against a still-to-be-determined threat of so-called global warming. Absolutely pathetic.
Posted by: douglas Love | January 31, 2008, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm
We are all Carbon Emission Units…next question?
Here is a flash from the past…
Currently, the world population stands at around 6.6 billion. How much space do those 6.6 billion people occupy?
Naturally, they’re scattered all over the world but here’s a visual for you that puts it all in perspective. If everyone had a 2×2 foot plot to stand on, you could fit the entire population of the world in Jacksonville, Florida. That may sound incredible but it’s true. There are 758 square miles in Jacksonville. That’s nearly 22 billion square feet.
I gave this illustration on the radio once and a guy called in and said I had made the dirt people’s point.
“See,” he said.
“We are overcrowded. Who would want to stand on a 2×2 plot?”
I had to chuckle. He, of course, missed the point. The intent of the illustration was not to herd the whole world into Jacksonville. It was to demonstrate just how much land is not being used.
Here’s another well-kept secret. According to Evergreen magazine, more trees are growing in our nation’s forests than at any time since the early 1900s. Even with all the harvesting, conversion to farmland and development, the nation’s forest land area is still about two-thirds the size it was when the Pilgrims landed. But the eco-propagandists continue to weave their web of deceit.
Posted by: Patricia | January 31, 2008, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm
If we really want to fight global warming and protect the environment we should encourage economic growth. Wealth allows us to invest in alternative energies and protect natural areas. The US and Europe have always been at the forefront in environmental conservation because we can afford to spend money on it. You look at Haiti where they are eating mud cakes and you see that those people are too desperate to conserve anything. They cut down all their trees and destroyed their environment because they are poor. Slowing down the economy means everyone gets poorer. Poverty hurts the environment out of desperation.
Global warming is talking about weather change in the next 50 to 100 years. If we do not help increase wealth worldwide, it will be poor people who suffer the most. Generating wealth allows people to accommodate weather disasters anyway. If sea levels change, people can move (but only if they have money) and adjust to whatever the climate does. Katrina showed us who gets hurt the most. We need to encourage a vibrant economy to help people adjust to any climate changes, as well as develop alternate energies. Alternative energies will have to be developed lockstep with oil and coal if we are going to make the transition. We are also going to need more wealth anyway to handle the transition itself. Growing our national and world wealth is the only way to save the environment. Global warming regulation hurts people and the environment as a result.
One other point, why would we want politicians to have a stranglehold over the economy. Global warming regulation is only a means for politicians to control how much you can heat your home and which companies get government support. You will see politicians burying certain companies with regulations because they hate them and they will be handing out CO2 breaks to their own companies or those that supported their campaigns. How much easier it will be in Washington to give CO2 breaks to certain companies than show preferences through the tax structure. We are very close to creating a monster that only helps the politicians in Washington and their cronies.
Posted by: Joe | January 31, 2008, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm
As a non-American, I read with disbelief that in 2008 the vast majority of your commentators (who I assume are almost all Americans) STILL do NOT believe in the damage humans have done to this planet and the crucial need to address it NOW if indeed it is not already too late. Does nobody read global opinion, believe scientific fact? – I just hope you don’t have children, especially if they plan on having children. God Help America. W
Posted by: World Citizen | January 31, 2008, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm
Typical leftist telling us to slow down so more people get laid off, more people go on welfare thus more dependence on the govt. to save us from ourselves. Wakeup and smell the starbucks and realize the global warming is a hoax and ask why Gore isn’t running for pres. this year if he a Nobel prize (which he didn’t deserve). IT’S AN EARTHLY CYCLE and we have no effect on it what so ever. Cows do more than we do.
Posted by: John | January 31, 2008, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm
HEY BUBBA – WE ARE ON THE VERG OF A RECESSION – IS THAT SLOW ENOUGH TO SAVE THE PLANET!!
Posted by: WW-5 | January 31, 2008, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm
This is possibly the dumbest thing Bill Clinton has ever said!
Posted by: Robert, New York City, NY | January 31, 2008, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm
They don’t call him slick Willie for nothing! Wow! spectacular. Now that’s planning ahead. If Hil gets in, and causes economic collapse with her universal health care, etc., then she can say it’s for the good of the world, because we’re slowing global warming. Evil at it’s finest.
Posted by: Deb N. | January 31, 2008, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm
smart
Hey smarty, I’m a meteorologist in the field for 20yrs now. I know the science and the science ain’t there my friend. There is NO tipping point. It’s currently summer in Antarctica with interior temps of -50C. You’re a disgraceful fool.
Posted by: tom s | January 31, 2008, 8:02 pm 8:02 pm
HAVE YOU NOTICED INTERNET BOARDS ARE FILLED WITH PAID REPUBLICANS? I have no other explanation for it. Anyone that calls bill clinton a communist is some intern bent on spreading ridiculous propoganda. Bill Clinton was president during a time of booming corporate profits.
Posted by: joe | January 31, 2008, 8:02 pm 8:02 pm
Odd he didn’t mention mass transit, light rail, etc. HE’s A MORON WITH A MISSION TO NOWHERE!!!
Posted by: brain.trust | January 31, 2008, 8:10 pm 8:10 pm
How about nuclear for electricity? It is the only proven off-the-shelf technology that emits no carbon and incidentally decreases dependence on mideast oil.
It also backs environmentalists into a corner. If the world is really going to heck-in-a-handbasket because of CO2 emissions, then extraordinary measures are necessary to fix it. And spare me the alternative energy / conversation platitudes … people want juice and carpooling isn’t exactly going to do much.
But I do support the windfarms off Cape Cod that Senator Kennedy believes would spoil his view of the ocean.
Posted by: oracle2world | January 31, 2008, 8:12 pm 8:12 pm
9/11 was an INSIDE JOB, Bill. Of course – you’ll say that’s ridiculous because you’re a CIA mind control puppet dummy. Get a life, Slick Willie.
Posted by: GetAClue | January 31, 2008, 8:20 pm 8:20 pm
Well Jake, Clinton already demonstrated that he is capable of screwing up our economy when he an Bob Ruben, his Sec. Treasure, launched their exercise to lower the federal debt by $500 billion through raising taxes and fees $250 billion and front-loading the fed. Bond structure; almost eliminating the 30 year long-bond. They did not save a penny of the debt, although they some interest was saved. The exercise tanked the bond market with a toll of about $1 trillion, ushering in the Dot.Com binge. The $trillion is no exaggerated estimate. All that was lost in pension plans along with foreign investment flight from the American market. It took years to right the ship. Clinton was a fiscal disaster. His Oxford credentials are bogus. If you are a true left radical, you will rejoice at he is return to the Whitehouse where he will have a second chance to demolish the United States of America.
Posted by: James | January 31, 2008, 8:22 pm 8:22 pm
hey patricia, that 2×2 plot story is interesting, the planet is kinda empty, lets make more babies to fill it up.
Posted by: lester | January 31, 2008, 8:27 pm 8:27 pm
You mean Earthmuffins don’t like capitalism?!!!
I am shocked beyond description.
Phase III of the Gorbal Warming blueprint is to replace currency with Hemp.
Posted by: RufusLeeKing | January 31, 2008, 8:30 pm 8:30 pm
If slowing down our economy means some people will lose there jobs I’m all for it. lets start off with a senator
Posted by: jj | January 31, 2008, 8:31 pm 8:31 pm
This mis-quote, an intentional deception, is getting to be indicative of Clear Channels post GW Bush era “news” activity.
It appears CC wants to be the new Western Pravda. Shame.
Posted by: Clear Channel | January 31, 2008, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm
It just depends on what the meaning of the word “is” is. (Clinton can kiss my grits!)
Posted by: tom s | January 31, 2008, 8:47 pm 8:47 pm
hey people keep on talking about global warming, come on stupids dont you know that it is now called climate change! Now if the temperature changes in any way we can blame it on ourselves. If only there was some magical machine that could take CO2 out of the air… oh wait i think its called trees…
Posted by: lloyd | January 31, 2008, 8:52 pm 8:52 pm
The reporter QUOTED Bill Clinton:
“We just have to slow down our economy and cut back our greenhouse gas emissions ’cause we have to save the planet for our grandchildren.”
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Now all of the Clintonoids leap to his defense. “Oh he didn’t say that.
Yes he did. There is the quote.
“Oh, he didn’t mean that.”
Yes he did. There is the quote.
I pray to God this couple does not go back to the White House.
Posted by: louparte | January 31, 2008, 8:56 pm 8:56 pm
what’s the deal with all the accusations of communism and socialism flying? is anyone really a communist anymore?
and besides, I thought it was now islamofascists lurking under winger beds.
Posted by: mencken | January 31, 2008, 8:56 pm 8:56 pm
Bill Clinton steps in it again. He is part of Hillary Clinton’s campaign, there is no doubt about it. So are we to believe that Hillary Clinton believes that we must slow down our slowing economy to placate the global warming crisis mongers? I’d be interested to hear her response.
Posted by: Patrick C. | January 31, 2008, 9:08 pm 9:08 pm
If Clinton would shut his damm mouth that alone would reduce a lot of greenhouse gas! What an Idiot!!!
Posted by: Kevin | January 31, 2008, 9:36 pm 9:36 pm
No worries. The Democrats and their socialistic policies will slow the economy down if not kill it. We should have European unemployment rates in no time. But the government will take of us. Even if we don’t have jobs. I can feel the big brother arms of government wrapped around me. Its feels so good to have a big daddy government solution to all my problems.
Posted by: Ken | January 31, 2008, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm
The United Nations International Panel on climate change is sure that we are suffering from global warming. They are 90% certain that global warming is man-made. Now they are 100% certain that it will require 20-25 TRILLION (tax) dollars over the next two decades to “change direction.”
No! Is anyone surprised?
Posted by: Dave | January 31, 2008, 9:53 pm 9:53 pm
What scientific credentials does Mr. Clinton have? None. What scientific credentials does Mr. Gore have? None. What is the value of these two nitwits’ comments about global warming? Zilch. George Bush’s only great accomplishment is to have resisted the global warming fanatics and lunatics. There is climate change and we need to adapt, but it could be warming or cooling and cutting co2 is not the way to go.
Posted by: Dayahka | January 31, 2008, 10:03 pm 10:03 pm
What does he care. He has a private jet, works for mid east firms pocketing $20MM. Is he really any different than the Bush Dynasty/
Posted by: scott jeffries | January 31, 2008, 10:04 pm 10:04 pm
What a shameful twisting of someone’s words and outright lie. Mr. Tapper, I assume you have been educated well enough to read and comprehend plain english.
Clinton did not say what you are claiming he said. He hypothetically attributed the belief that we should slow our economy to SOME PEOPLE(“And maybe America, and Europe, and Japan, and Canada — the rich counties — would say..), and then clearly argued against that belief (“”But if we did that…) with a passionate stance on GROWING our economy by pursuing clean, green technology.
For shame. What has happened to honesty in our news media?
It’s hard to believe this story even still remains on such a formerly prestigious news organization’s website.
It needs to be pulled and a retraction run.
Worse still is how many have read this story (or scanned only the headline and then reacted) without realizing what an utter lie it is.
Posted by: Dennis | January 31, 2008, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm
Global warming and CO2 !!!
Actually, water vapor (H2O) is a greenhouse gas (look it up) know as humidity. Humidity varies but in warm climates can be 50 and maybe 70 TIMES as abundant as CO2. So why are folks talking about CO2; a serious case of the tale waging the dog.
Posted by: Don | January 31, 2008, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm
we can not destroy something we did not create get off of the global warming soap box and get a life instead of running around playing chicken little hollering the sky is falling well look up the sky has not fallen has it
Posted by: r ,m | January 31, 2008, 10:19 pm 10:19 pm
“We just have to slow down our economy and cut back our greenhouse gas emissions ’cause we have to save the planet for our grandchildren.”
What more can you expect from this twosome? Hillary’s understanding of economics will be made clear when she is elected. One of her first acts will be a Special Order Centered In A Liberal Idiom of Spending Money!.
Posted by: I Luv Hillary | January 31, 2008, 10:19 pm 10:19 pm
Maybe simple logic and common sense fails Mr. Clinton’s grasp. To whit:
~ If our climate isn’t warming, it’s cooling and if it isn’t cooling it’s warming and has been since the planet was new. The climate never stays the same – it is not is stasis, never has been and never will be.
~ A warmer climate is a good thing. Humans have a tougher time handling colder rather than hotter. Crops grow better in warmer than cooler. Warmer climates from the past have always had higher crop productivity in cooler places like the UK and Germany.
These are also the views of more than 500 scientists that have published these as well as other evidence countering current man-made global warming scares.
~ What is happening now climate-wise has all happened before and is well inside any norm you wish to cite.
So here is the big question Mr. Clinton: Being that at one time in history they were growing wine grapes in the UK. Being that in another time they were ice skating on the Thames. What makes you believe that the climate we have now is the right one to preserved at all costs (in the multiple trillions)?
Posted by: G Jiggy | January 31, 2008, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm
Bill Clinton didn’t say he thought the economy should be slowed. Read his speech. He clearly said the opposite. At what point do you stop swallowing whole what your corrupt U.S. media feed you. Geez. You Americans can be atoundingly stupid. But hey, to be fair, your Army is really good at killing people. And you and your fellow citizens are really good at keeping quiet while your President evicerates the ideals you’re trying to shove down the throats of the rest of the world. So, you know, your not all that bad. That’ll be $5.95, please drive to the next window.
Posted by: john stephen lewis | January 31, 2008, 10:21 pm 10:21 pm
Hey, if we could have had a watt of power for every act of Bill’s infidelity, we could have given up on fossil fuel decades ago.
“Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice….”
Posted by: scared willy silly | January 31, 2008, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm
FINALLY!!!! Albeit a bit late, a major politician has told us the truth about what it will take to effectively deal with the very real problems of global warming and energy security. There is no easy technological fix or magical replacement for the enormous quantities of fossil fuels we burn and tun into greenhouse gasses. WE HAVE TO SACRIFICE if the children of today and tomorrow are going to have a healty world in which to live. There is no free lunch!
Posted by: Ray | January 31, 2008, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm
I propose that Hillary be the first to lose her job.
To show how serious they are, the Clintons should stop using any fossil fuel based products in their lives. Invite Algore to join them.
Posted by: random thoughts | January 31, 2008, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm
Cheap shot, Jake.
You didn’t show the full quote – Bill Clinton was setting up the rhetorical argument of the other side, which he rebutted. Too bad that ABC news didn’t show the full clip.
What a non-story.
Jake, why don’t you just go work for the Obama campaign – it clearly is where your interest and bias is.
Posted by: Joe A | January 31, 2008, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm
Looks like Hill will have to tighten the muzzle again on Slick Willie. Looks like he’s having as much trouble keeping his foot out of his mouth as he has keeping his fly zipped. Keep talkin’ Billie. We need to keep the democrats out of the White House.
Posted by: diane | January 31, 2008, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm
We dare not slow down the economy. Our projected spending liability for Social Security and Medicare over the next 25 years is $40.8 TRILLION (tax) dollars. We can’t tax our way out, borrow our way out, nor can we rely on our GDP to increase in double digets each year to pay it down.
We are going to need some radical bipartisan reform, which will be painful for many, if we want to survive.
Funny none of the candidates for President are addressing this issue, which may very well be the defining issue of the times.
Posted by: Dave | January 31, 2008, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm
Maybe it’s just that I am not as clever as Bill who got a lip service without being impeached.
I don’t get it. A possilbe recession is on the way and he says “We Just Have to Slow Down Our Economy” to Fight Global Warming????
What are you trying to accomplish here Bill? A nice try! Yet, you will not confuse me with your getting donations for your library and your keeping out some of worst crooks from being jailed as the NYT reports which endorsed Hillary.
Posted by: sean | January 31, 2008, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm
Whatever your political bent, you can’t deny that this is a flagrant and obscene instance of taking a statement out of context. If I say, “I could steal this car, but that would be wrong,” are you going to print a headline calling me a car thief?
Shame on you, Tapper. Whether this was an oversight or a stunning, politically motivated lapse in integrity, you should amend your post with the full quote.
Posted by: HS | January 31, 2008, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm
Sure, why not slow down the economy Bill has millions in the bank, a sluggish economy wouldn’t bother him a bit. What we are hearing is a former world leader telling the most enthusiastic country the world has ever known to “slow down”. Bill, you’re a moron! Arkansas should be ashamed.
Posted by: Superpower | January 31, 2008, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm
Yes, sometimes human beings who are not 100% selfish have to sacrifice a little comfort so that our environment is not destroyed by burning temperatures. However, it is clear from reading the comments that were already posted that most americans had rather drive their hummers, run their heaters, and continue to fill up the local landfill than to allow their grandchildren to drink water in the next forty years. It’s time to wake up and smell the phosphorous emissions; reversing global warming is not going to be a day at the 80 degree beach. It is going to be hard work, and it is not going to be pleasant. Accept it.
Posted by: kelly | January 31, 2008, 10:41 pm 10:41 pm
im 57 and voted in every election from the age of 18 and a gop and i will never vote for mccain ever
Posted by: joe | January 31, 2008, 10:43 pm 10:43 pm
Global Warming due to human activity is a HOAX. I guess Bill would love for the US to have a 30′s style depression, soup lines, Okies moving to California, unemployment at 30% or more, but heck we’d be saving the enviroment!
Posted by: Texan | January 31, 2008, 10:48 pm 10:48 pm
Let’s cut to the chase, friends. The left has co-opted natural climate change and is using it as a tool to destroy Western Industrial Capitalism.
The left hates “fossil fuel” because it is the life blood of the free market industrial engine. Starve petroleum and Industrial Capitalism “withers away”.
Thus, the vision of a Global Socialist Utopian Society triumphs.
The Federal government is now infested by parasitic Marxist followers. We on the right refer to them as Democrats.
God save America!
Posted by: Captain Groove | January 31, 2008, 11:00 pm 11:00 pm
To slow any negative effects of human we must slow our POPULATION. Not government regulated but a conscientious effort to reduce the population growth.
Posted by: hank | January 31, 2008, 11:03 pm 11:03 pm
Worthless. I’ll never watch ABC News again.
Posted by: Dan | January 31, 2008, 11:04 pm 11:04 pm
“And guess what? The only places in the world today in rich countries where you have rising wages and declining inequality are places that have generated more jobs than rich countries because they made a commitment we didn’t. They got serious about a clean, efficient, green, independent energy future… ” — BC
This makes absolutely NO sense to me… Can ANYONE explain the logic???
If the government is going to fund all the projects that Bill listed, that means the money for those projects will come from our taxes, which will increase and leave me with less discretionary income…so I’ll buy less of those products that are made using “green” manufacturing processes. And since I’m buying less “stuff,” that will reduce sales of goods and services… Oh, NOW I get it — Bill DOES want to slow the economy!!!
Posted by: J | January 31, 2008, 11:05 pm 11:05 pm
To the Global Warming folks:
Answer three questions: 1) What is the difference between climate and weather?
2) The Earth is 4.5 billion years old and we have had 4 ice ages with large ice sheets a mile thick and thousands of miles long. What caused the last ice age and the sheet to melt about 13,000 years ago with no “human activity”.
3) Finally, the sun goes through inactive and active periods with increased and decreased energy output. What effect does this have on the Earth?
Aswer these three with solid evidence and I will discuss “Global Warming”…
Posted by: Weather Guy | January 31, 2008, 11:06 pm 11:06 pm
Jake Tapper and ABC are right on…
Neither Bill Clinton or Hillary have ever taken a public position in their political lives that was not both self-serving and phoney to the core.
Coal Thomas
Posted by: Coal Thomas | January 31, 2008, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm
Thanks Jake! Everyone knows global warming is a hoax and a fake. It’s freezing outside!!! My dogs can’t even stand it. Last night it was so cold and windy that many shingles blew off my roof. This year I’ve worn my union suit 16 times while last year at this date I had only worn it 9 times. It’s getting WAY colder!
Posted by: HotHead | January 31, 2008, 11:30 pm 11:30 pm
Oh for Pete’s sake — all of you complaining about a misquote! You ask if we can read; I have to ask you the same thing because I read the entire quote in this article.
Basically, Bill just rambles. It’s a very fuzzy piece. Or, just maybe he realized what he said about slowing down the economy was pretty stupid because NO country will do that (except maybe the US if Hill gets in – (HEAVEN FORBID!!!) All the same, if you look at what he said closely, it is clear that he sees slowing the economy as a short-term solution because he says we need to “prove it is good economics” to do so – to “go green”, to shut down industrialization, etc. But Bill is quite the dancer and he is also accomplished at uttering things that are so convoluted that no one can figure out for sure what he means. Then later he can say, as usual, “What I meant was . . .”
Posted by: mzsally | February 1, 2008, 12:19 am 12:19 am
Hey “scared Willy Nilly” next time your Country needs to be bailed out of whatever attack or war by another nation or entity, don’t come crying to us! Everyone hates the USA, until they need our troops, or our money. Where is the gratitude?
Posted by: Bailey | February 1, 2008, 12:23 am 12:23 am
Who can trust Bill Clinton? Who can prove without a doubt that “global warming” real and that it is due to greenhouse gases emitted by human activity? A number of reputable scientists disagree, but they are summarily dismissed as lunatics. The hype of “global warming” is political, not scientific. It has happened before, and there is some evidence to show that it is due at least in part to volcanic activity deep within the earth. We need to keep our economy growing. We do not need to slow down. This would be a disaster! Actually, Bill Clinton is the biggest disaster top hit this country in the last century and he is trying to do the same in this century.
Posted by: downs1 | February 1, 2008, 12:35 am 12:35 am
DEFINITELY not a fan of the Clintons, but it seems like Bill is being misrepresented here. The way I read this, he wasn’t saying that we SHOULD slow down our economy to stop global warming. I think his point was that EVEN IF we decided to unilaterally slow down our economy in an effort to stop global warming, it wouldn’t work because there are all these other countries that aren’t going to make the same sacrifice just because we say they should. If that’s what he was saying, I agree with him.
Posted by: Cam | February 1, 2008, 1:01 am 1:01 am
what would acceptable unemployment be to bill?
maybe 15%?
how about strating with his daughter who is employed by his pals at a hedge fund. what does she do there?
foreclose mortgages on working people?
why does he donate about $50 MILLION of that pile of cash he is sitting on to working class people.
also, tell his wife to resign that NO-SHOW senate job!
Posted by: deroy | February 1, 2008, 1:41 am 1:41 am
There is a multitude of numbskulls in this country that have been led like burros down the right wing’s dark street braying in support of its platform of self riteousness and greed. Listen, the globe is heating up at an increasing rate, and without a doubt it is human-generated, carbon-based emmission that is the variable that distinguishes this change as distinctly different from preceding ones, the economy is in total disaray (and did I read most of you as criticizing Bill Clinton’s leadership; don’t you have any ability at all to recall how well the country was doing on his watch?,) we’re quagmired in a morass in the middle east that was predicated on lies by liars, our reputation around the world has tanked, we are in debt beyond belief, torture is policy, the citizenry is subject to spying, the president believes he speaks with God, (doesn’t that startle you even a little?,) billions of dollars have been squandered in no-bid contracts, e.g., Cheny/Halliburton, and when, tell me when, please, when will we know that we have “won” the war on terror? When, um, when . . . What? Despite this short clip from a long list of travesties, so-called conservatives continue spewing garbage and, tragically, weak minded people (lemmings) continue to follow. This is a mad hatter’s tea party! This once-wonderful nation of ours simply cannot stand any more of it. Open your eyes, stop your drooling, wipe your chins and, for crying out loud, think — then see — then change — before things have become so distorted and foul that there can be nothing healthful left for human beings to share even so near as 50 years hence. Bill Clinton was exactly right, i.e., if we do not slow down our rampaging lust for more and more profit, then, well, then that’ll be about it. But, hey, most of you will be dead, so why should you care? Right?
Posted by: rdpruitt! | February 1, 2008, 1:58 am 1:58 am
Roughly, only 25% of the earth’s surface consists of land mass. About half of the land mass is uninhabitable, so only 50% of the land mass is inhabited by people. (25% X 50% = 12.5%) Only 12.5% of the planet is inhabited.
Most of those people do not live in industrialized areas. In fact, half the world’s population lives on less than 3% of the “potentially habitable“ land area. (0.125 x 0.03 = 0.00375 or 0.4%) and maybe half of the people on that tiny percentage of land actually live in industrialized areas. (0.4% X .5 = 0.02%) When you finish doing the math, you find that man-made Global Warming proponents are trying to tell us that the activities of the people living on only 0.002% (that’s 2 tenths of 1%) of the earth’s surface are responsible for altering the climate/weather/temperature of the other 99.8% of the earth, 75% of which is oceans which have an immensely huge impact on our weather. UNNN-believable!!
Posted by: mzsally | February 1, 2008, 2:28 am 2:28 am
wow, slick willy must have lost his mind, wasnt his campaign slogan “its the economy, stupid.” anyone who thinks slowing the economy down is completely mindless, what any reasonable politician should say is that we should shift investment to companies that invest in green tech, like toyota. but we have politicians like hillary that want to restrict foreign companies access to our market. these are the companies that have forethought and understand the reality that the world faces. if anything, politicians should the ones forcing companies to share their green tech with developing countries like india and china. there is no doubt that humans have had a negative impact on the environment. however, we will not wake up tomorrow and the average temperature of world will not have increased by 30 degrees nor will the oceans have risen by 10%. global warming doesnt happen instantaneously, but it is necessary to recognize the problem and attempt to get a head start. there is no way, especially during this time period, that slowing the economy is helpful. if this is any insight into how the clinton camp will run the white house, please do not vote for either bill or hillary to run our country. it will be as bad as what bush did.
Posted by: dznutz1535 | February 1, 2008, 2:32 am 2:32 am
I can’t make heads or tails of what Bill actually meant. If we “go green”, it will create millions of jobs? Does he mean government environmental scamming jobs? “Million and millions and millions” of them? Who’s arguing about efficiency? The debate is real energy vs. fantasy energy. How would bio-fuels reduce CO2? How does Hillary plan to pay for her worthless windmills? Is it “good economics” to “take their profits” (Hillary’s words) from companies that provide the REAL power of our economies? People make money by using energy. You reduce energy, you reduce wealth. A car that gets 100 mpg would be lovely, and we wouldn’t need Billary to convince us of that. But Billary is not going to invent it, although they may punish our economy further for not inventing their utopia, with ridiculous naive demands of auto makers and teaching the rest of us a lesson with extra gasoline taxes. I don’t see how the economy will improve with their childishness. The entire global warrming hoax is a guise for Communists to attack our capitalist prosperity, not improve it!
G BARGE:
1) Shame on our election? At least we have one!
2) Clinton military wise? Try Googling Kosovo or 9/11. I don’t know if Google censored that stuff for you.
3) My economy is bigger than yours.
4) You mean China? We’re on it.
5) Yes, most of us know that. What’s your point?
5(the second 5) Bin Laden is not an oil company, and even if he was, we get our oil from Canada and Mexico.
I realize information is restricted in your country. But maybe you should stick to Chinese politics. Oh, I forgot, you can’t do that either. In any case, its hilariouss to get lectured about gas emissions from China! Don’t worry though, THE SUN HEATS AND COOLS THE EARTH, NOT CO2!!!
Posted by: Bern Verdnardo | February 1, 2008, 2:42 am 2:42 am
Dr. Paul has the cure! Ron Paul 2008
Posted by: J. Musser | February 1, 2008, 3:00 am 3:00 am
Ron Croker – “One expert said that if the US shut down completely, meaning zero emissions, it would only reduce the world total by 20%” — here is a real eye opener for you… It would onlyy reduce MAN MADE emissions by 20%. Man m,ade emissions account for only 5% of teh total world CO2 production. That means it would only make about a 1% change in that actual world total. — thats right folks.. If everyone on teh planet begins living a COMPLETELY carbon neutral lifestyle – it will only make a 1-3% difference in the total world CO2 levels… Still think this is a man made problem of epic proportions??? Hardly…
Posted by: givemeabreak | February 1, 2008, 3:23 am 3:23 am
rdpruitt — where do I even start – 1)”the globe is heating up at an increasing rate, and without a doubt it is human-generated, carbon-based emmission that is the variable that distinguishes this change as distinctly different from preceding ones” — First, there is significant doubt that the heating up is anything other than a normal atmospheric cycle. Human generated CO2 is a small percentage of the total and “carbon neutral lifestyles would make very little difference in the big picture. there are no accurate studies to show that this change is any differenct from previous changes – only supposition. Further, we have a very limited time frame to compare median temperatures – eons of earth existance vs about 100 years of data gathering on temps.. means that the cross section of study that indicates a warming trend is itself questionable. 2.)”don’t you have any ability at all to recall how well the country was doing on his watch?” — what I recall is a total lack of attention to a growing terrorist threat and and a “milking” of the robust tech economy through taxation that caused a resesion costing 6.8 million jobs. — Not all wine and roses if you ask me… 3.)our debt problems have been exasperated by this administration, but by no means is this administration solely responsible for it.. we have been in an increasing debt mode for almost 40 years. 4.) Water borading is NOT torture.. we do it to our own troops during survival training 5.)citizens are NOT subject to spying…if you are calling ( by the indication of your phone records) the bad guys, then rightfully, the government might start taking an interest…its called probably cause… not spying…
Posted by: givemeabreak | February 1, 2008, 3:43 am 3:43 am
In the long run being environmentally
prudent makes a lot of sense
because to clean it up in the future
could cost trillions of cents!
Posted by: Roland Brad, Chicago, USA | February 1, 2008, 6:01 am 6:01 am
Bill means slow down the economy by raising taxes on all the forces business to pay for them by lying off employees to pay for the huge tax hikes. People who get laid off or have small business shut down because of Bill & Hill economics for a socialist America. You won’t need to drive because you can’t afford to, so not trips to the grocery store, clothing store, convinces store or restaurants. Less people on the roads, less people spending means less fuel being burned by business to keep the lights on for customers they used to have. There you go global warming is now reversed in Bill & Hill’s America. P.S. you’re still gonna pay for free health care for all those Illegal aliens that votes her and Bill back into the W.H. she keeps talking about. Think Mike Huckabee.
Posted by: Willy | February 1, 2008, 6:02 am 6:02 am
The only way for Bill to help stop global warming is for him stop chasing the girls. He just “puts out to much GAS!
Posted by: Betsy Roos | February 1, 2008, 6:13 am 6:13 am
I said it before & I’ll say it again. Billy Boy you are nothing but a SCUMBAG!
Posted by: schoolteacher | February 1, 2008, 6:46 am 6:46 am
Has anybody ever noticed that these global warming people want us to slow down, cut back on our necessities for the future, blah, blah, blah, but yet they never give up any of there’s.
There big mansion’s there running around in jets all over the country, the caravans when they go to there different states to suck up to the people. talk about scaring people into believeing that we actualy can stop this natural cycle!
Posted by: sandy | February 1, 2008, 8:01 am 8:01 am
The last time a president slowed economy was President Carter. Let’s see that is when I bought my first house and the interest rate for a house was 17%. Yea Bill we should make that a reality
Richard Adams
Posted by: Richard Adams | February 1, 2008, 8:16 am 8:16 am
I thank God that most of the people posting here have not drank the kool-aide yet.
If you believe in global warming, don’t just accept what the people who agree with you say, research it yourself. It is a concenses of some scientists who hate Capitalism and the U.S. Isn’t it funny that their “religion” calls for things detrimental to both of the things they hate to be done to “save the planet”? It is a religion because it requires a whole lot more faith that belief in God and creation.
Have you ever traveled to another country? Have you seen how dirty their vehicles and industries are? Yet were the problem? No, it’s an attempt to knock us down to their level instead of figuring out ways to better themselves.
Do you know that the perception in some of the countries of Central and South America is that the poor of our country are as poor as they are? Why? Because the U.S. media helps perpetuate the idea that they have no healchare, food, clothing, etc. So we just need to elect the right caring individual who will rob from the rich to feed the poor.
I work in the healthcare field and most of my business comes from the state medicaid program. The people in other countries are stunned that our government actually pays for doctors, hospitals, food, medicine, medical equip., etc. Why? Because the U.S. media and liberal politicians imply otherwise to gain votes and sway public and international opinion.
You think carbon dioxide is a problem? Try living without it. All those plants on the earth we are destroying with it just happen to breathe it and use it to produce oxygen. “Yes, but too much is bad” Ever see how much stuff grows on the sides of the roads and highways? Those plants aren’t dying. Think ethanol helps? Did you know that it is much less efficient than gasoline? It makes your engine burn hotter and less fuel efficient. The EPA gives “MPG Credits” to the auto makers cars that can burn it so they can falsely claim it gets a higher mpg than otherwise.
Your heart may be in the right place, but if it isn’t backed up by your brain then what body part are you using to make decisions?
Posted by: JT | February 1, 2008, 8:44 am 8:44 am
What Did Jake Tapper Mean by the confession “I don’t really think” when he writes his blog?
February 1, 2008
Jake tapper wrote in his blog yesterday.
In a short entry with a misleading headline and a complete distortion of a quote of President Bill Clinton, Tapper confessed, “I don’t really think.”
He went on to write in an update, “I understandd,” so there’s something of a contradiction there.
Or perhaps he misspoke. I’m not quite certain.
For the full text (i.e., proper, undistorted context) of what Tapper said, read the blog entry above.
Posted by: Ida Noe | February 1, 2008, 9:22 am 9:22 am
Bill sees the world in terms of limits imposed on it by governments. He and his joke of a wife think that the only individuals that should be allowed to flourish and achieve are them, of course since they are so much smarter than you and I.A real, free Republic in this country is their worst nightmare because it means that politicians are largely irrelevant. To hell with these two altruistic dirt bags.
Posted by: Donald | February 1, 2008, 9:24 am 9:24 am
Bill is part of the George Soros’ plan of diminishing the USA, in favor of foreign countries.
Where did it say in our Constitution, that US workers had to give up their good paying jobs, and work to give our tax dollars to foreign countries and that obscene U.N?
I’m telling you, we have far too many politicians and big businesses, that are ready to see us fall on our knees, so they can feel good about helping foreigners, rather than help their own fellow citizens!
Posted by: Bobc | February 1, 2008, 9:50 am 9:50 am
Easy for a multi-millionaire to want to slow down our economy. He’s already a wealthy man and can survive a downturn caused by a government plan. But what about the average American?
Hard to believe that we elected this clown twice.
Posted by: BIOYA1 | February 1, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am
You guys back off rdpriutt!. I am positive he has disconnected natural gas and electical power feeds to his home and has had his automobiles crushed so no one can use them to cause further damage. He has moved to an adobe shelter so he isn’t impacting our sacred forrests and washes and reused his toilet paper for the same reason. He grows his own vegetables hydroponically and has quit eating meat so the animals won’t exacerbate the CO2 problem with flatulance and burps. He has started his own business and operates it at a loss because as we all know, capitalism is the ultimate evil in the cosmos. Any money he does accumumulate he sends into the government for the common good. You know, the grand old Amerikan motto, “From those according to ability, to those according to need.”
You had better get with the program and follow his pristine lead.
Posted by: Jeff | February 1, 2008, 10:33 am 10:33 am
Reminds me of the malaise speech given by Jimmah Carter. These people are nothing but died-in-the-wool statists; fascists with smiley-faces. If they get re-elected, it will be nothing but Bill Clinton’s third term and possibly the end of America as a great nation. Then again, if McCain wins, we’ll all be part of Mexico. So either way, we’re skrood…
Posted by: jdawg | February 1, 2008, 10:43 am 10:43 am
“To the Global Warming folks:
Answer three questions: 1) What is the difference between climate and weather?
2) The Earth is 4.5 billion years old and we have had 4 ice ages with large ice sheets a mile thick and thousands of miles long. What caused the last ice age and the sheet to melt about 13,000 years ago with no “human activity”. ”
Weather guy, everyone knows that the earth is only 6,000 years old. The bible says so. Oh, and the sun orbits around the earth (duh! that’s pretty obvious when you look at the sky and notice that the sun is moving, while we stand still!) and the earth is flat, not round, as some people believe, so be very careful when you get too close to the edge. You might fall off.
Posted by: commie atheist | February 1, 2008, 11:01 am 11:01 am
Slick Willy is at it again. He’ll say anything. Why should the US slow its economy down just to appease third world nations? Countries dominated by militant Muslims want nothing more than to destroy our way of life and country; they want to relegate our women to mere chattel to be owned and sold. They want to destroy Christianity. And if the so-called atheists and agnostics believe they’ll escape the wrath of radical Muslims (if and when they usurp power here) they are sadly mistaken. They’ll be beaten until they proclaim Allah as their god and Mohammed as his prophet.
Why should there be any serious consideration about redistibution of the wealth? We need to wake up and it starts with making sure idiots like Bill and his wife never occupy the White House again. Should they gain 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue again, they will, once again, do whatever it takes to obtain and retain power.
Bill and Hillary are nothing more than Beelzebub’s earthly representatives. The American voter should not trust either of these two as far as they can throw them.
And when did Bill become an expert on the climate? The closest he has ever come to knowing anything about the earth’s climate is when he watches The Weather Channel.
He, like his former VP AlGore, is nothing but a prevaricator. Hillary is no better. The Clintons are two of the slimiest characters to hit the political scene. It ought to tell you something when Ted Kennedy, of all people, won’t even support Hillary.
Posted by: Walter | February 1, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am
rdpruitt!
You simple minded fool.The idea that global warming is man made has not been determined beyond a reasonable doubt.It’s what is called a theory (look up the definition).You call people who don’t believe in this junk science numbskulls.You sir/madam are an idiot and have bought the lie hook line and sinker.I could give you a list as long as your arm of scientist who disagree with the so called prevailing attitude that global warming is man made but I am most confident that you are to blind and ignorant to do any real thinking of your own so I will not waste my time.If you want to be taxed at a higher rate and give up your individual freedoms to the “Almighty Government Bureaucracy” ,who preach this nonsense ,then by all means DO IT.As for me I will not be lead like a sheep down the road of propaganda and lies.And please stop with the nonsense that everyone who disagrees with this lie is somehow a right wing nut.Surely you are more intelligent than that.But then again…….maybe your not.
Posted by: Sbeel | February 1, 2008, 11:26 am 11:26 am
To all the “Skeptics” of global climate change, tell me this. What happens to all the TENS OF MILLIONS of tons of waste gas that the world dumps into the air each day? Where does it go? Away? Away Where? To Mars? Or does it just disappear? “Global warming not proven”…that’s a little ignorant! I don’t need scientific evidence to tell me what rational thinking already does, and I don’t want to hand our children a “burned out cinder’ for a planet either. I know it’s irritating for people to accept they are doing something wrong, or need to change, but come on. “Reducing greenhouse gases will allow China to get ahead” What? Do you think China’s really getting ahead? The athletes for the Olympics are making plans to arrive in Bejing just before their events, the air quality is so dangerous there. Residents can barley breathe some days. Ever visit Bejing…I have, it’s no picnic. They sell oxygen in vending machines! Some people have to be hit over the head with a bat in order to get it. The bat is going to swing very soon folks! You’ll be singing a different tune a 5 years down the road I’ll bet…
Posted by: Ed | February 1, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
There are things that cool the earth and things that warm it, and for a while, a few scientists thought the things that cool it were winning out. Some of them got carried away with their predictions, and the press got even more carried away, but there was never a 95% scientific consensus that human-caused cooling was a problem, like there is with global warming.
Natural mechanisms for warming are already accounted for in the models scientists have used to determine that human-caused CO2 is a factor. How dumb do you think climate scientists are, that they might not think to look at sunspots, Milankovitch cycles, or other natural causes of warming? Would you also like to tell thoracic surgeons how to perform triple bypasses?
Would people please not speak for all Americans? A lot of us would rather have another Clinton than four more years of Bush policies, even some of us who weren’t so crazy about Bill when he was president. “The US citizens,” as usual, is shorthand for the poster and his/her friends. If nobody wanted a Clinton, Hillary would have been forced to drop out by now.
Finally, if you’d bother to read the rest of the blog, the early comments on it, or the contents of Bill Clinton’s speech, you’d know that he’s not advocating that we slow down the economy. Quite the opposite.
All of that said, if he HAD said we will need to slow down economic growth, he’d have been right. Our growth will slow down no matter what we do. Will it slow because we halt our population growth and use our resources more efficiently, or will it slow because we simply run out of room to grow? I know a lot of armchair economists think as though the earth had infinite resources, but is anyone dumb enough to think our economy can literally grow forever?
Posted by: Jim | February 1, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
Are you kidding me? The economy is already slow, if I sell my house I lose money even after 3 years….and I got it at a deal in a decent place to live! You really want to slow down the economy even more to solve the “major” problem that the average global temperature has risen, something like, 1 degeree over the last 100 years? Does Clinton want us to hurt more financially then our fathers to solve the mythical “global warming” that has no chance of effecting even our (30 somthings) great grandchildren, if it even truely exists? (kind of like bigfoot)
Posted by: E | February 1, 2008, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm
What a terrible post. I love how the media creates these whirlwind stories, by taking them completely out of context. The actual quote continues: “We could do that…
But if we did that, you know as well as I do, China and India and Indonesia and Vietnam and Mexico and Brazil and the Ukraine, and all the other countries will never agree to stay poor to save the planet for our grandchildren.”
If anything, Clinton was trying to say the exact opposite. However, I can see by the comments below, that you have obviously gotten the reaction that you wanted. Good job there, buddy.
Posted by: Jon | February 1, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm
In a January 31 post on his ABCNews.com blog, Political Punch, ABC News senior national correspondent Jake Tapper falsely suggested that former President Bill Clinton, during a speech in Denver the previous day, advocated “slow[ing] down our economy” as a strategy to combat climate change. In the post — titled “Bill: ‘We Just Have to Slow Down Our Economy’ to Fight Global Warming” — Tapper wrote of Clinton: “In a long, and interesting speech, he characterized what the U.S. and other industrialized nations need to do to combat global warming this way: ‘We just have to slow down our economy and cut back our greenhouse gas emissions ’cause we have to save the planet for our grandchildren.’ ” Tapper then wrote: “At a time that the nation is worried about a recession is that really the characterization his wife would want him making? ‘Slow down our economy’?”
In fact — as also noted by the blog, Sadly, No! — Clinton’s full remarks on global warming during the speech, which Tapper included toward the end of his post, make clear that Clinton did not propose “slow[ing] down our economy” as a strategy “to combat global warming.” He said that “rich” countries could take that approach; but then he said why he thought it wouldn’t work, asserting that the “only way” to fight global warming is to prove that doing so “is good economics that we will create more jobs to build a sustainable economy”:
CLINTON: And maybe America, and Europe, and Japan, and Canada — the rich counties [sic] — would say, “OK, we just have to slow down our economy and cut back our greenhouse gas emissions ’cause we have to save the planet for our grandchildren.” We could do that.
But if we did that, you know as well as I do, China and India and Indonesia and Vietnam and Mexico and Brazil and the Ukraine, and all the other countries will never agree to stay poor to save the planet for our grandchildren. The only way we can do this is if we get back in the world’s fight against global warming and prove it is good economics that we will create more jobs to build a sustainable economy that saves the planet for our children and grandchildren. It is the only way it will work.
The Drudge Report linked to Tapper’s post under the similarly misleading headline, “Bill Clinton: ‘We Just Have to Slow Down Our Economy’ to Fight Global Warming …”
Posted by: commie atheist | February 1, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
The Republican National Committee further mischaracterized Bill Clinton’s comments. In an “Update” to his post, Tapper quoted the following statement from spokesman Alex Conant: “Senator [Hillary Rodham] Clinton’s campaign now says we must ‘slow down the economy’ to stop global warming. … Clinton needs to come back to Earth. Her ‘tax-it, spend-it, regulate-it’ attitude would really bring the economy crashing down. No amount of special effects will hide Clinton’s liberal record.”
Sen. Clinton’s (D-NY) presidential campaign responded to Tapper’s post by writing that Tapper “parsed President Clinton’s speech,” adding, “Actually the full quote shows that President Clinton was making the opposite point. He rejected slowing down the economy, and advocated for sustainable economic growth.” Tapper responded to the campaign in a separate blog post, but did not address the substantive point:
The Clinton campaign did not provide for me, as requested, an explanation of what he meant.
Instead, the response from the Clinton campaign is to post an item on its “fact” hub and accuse me of “parsing.”
I will plead guilty to “parsing” — the dictionary definition of the word — “To examine closely or subject to detailed analysis, especially by breaking up into components” or “To make sense of; comprehend.”
But I suspect the Clinton campaign thinks of the word “parsing” in its more colloquial sense — as in “It depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is.” I guess I should defer to their expertise.
After Competitive Enterprise Institute senior fellow Iain Murray — in a January 31 post on National Review Online’s “The Corner” — asserted in part that “Tapper isn’t entirely accurate in characterizing what Bill said,” Tapper added the following update to his post responding to the Clinton campaign:
UPDATE: Bill Clinton finds a defender/explainer over at the National Review, where Iain Murray takes a look at what an effort to reduce greenhouse gases would do to the U.S. economy and concludes that “while Tapper isn’t entirely accurate in characterizing what Bill said, he’s pretty accurate in summarizing the effects of the policies he recommends. Bill Clinton’s economic stimulus plan is to slow down our economy.”
This is the much more important issue here. Any serious effort to reduce greenhouses gases will have an impact on the economy and, initially, that impact could be negative.
There are ways to work towards having the impact in the long-term be neutral or perhaps even positive. But any serious effort will cost a lot of money and slow the economy, whether the world is in it together or the U.S. and industrialized nations go it alone. (I stand accused of saying that former President Clinton spoke honestly about that.)
That’s not to say it should not be done — it’s just to acknowledge that, as with all things ambitious, there will be a cost.
Posted by: commie atheist | February 1, 2008, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm
I guess ABC is now officially “The Least Trusted Name In News”
Posted by: ABC and Fox | February 1, 2008, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
Sorry Jake, you got it 100% wrong. Clinton doesn’t want to slow down the economy, he wants to spur the economy by encouraging the developement of 21st century technology. You obviously must be aware of this by now. We await your retraction.
Posted by: Randy | February 1, 2008, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm
Thanks for the update 2.
Before you create update 3, please listen to the speech you are writing about. It might surprise you.
Posted by: damix | February 1, 2008, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm
This is the best case I can make for Barrack Obama and its what every democratic voter should think about before they vote.
Im very worried about Hillary becoming the nominee. One of the biggest reasons being, the republicans. They are salvating at the thought of going up against her. They have been gearing up for this, for years. And I know so many Hillary supporters are saying shes been there before, she knows how to fight them and win. But to me thats the the whole piont. Yes, maybe she will win. But why on earth would we as democrats nominate someone that has to fight off years of controversy and questionable practices that she and her husband have been involved in. And if she were to win, how many more enemys will she have created in the process. And in the end will that give us the kind of bipartisan Leadership that this country desperately needs right now. I know any democrat that we nominate is going to be given a hard time by the republicans. But Im absolutely convinced that Obama has much firmer ground to stand on.
In point, This is the message voters need to be getting.
Posted by: Joel Mcnair | February 1, 2008, 8:22 pm 8:22 pm
Reputable science is showing that the between 96 and 100% of change in “global temperature is natural and not manmade. That means in the worst case if the earth temperature was to change 5° over the next 10 years we could attribute .2° to humans. Not enough to make noticeable difference in the sea level or anything else. For this the Clintons what to impoverish America? And besides since 1998 (2nd warmest year on record, 1934 was the warmest) the mean global temperature has been on a steady decline. Our records only go back to 1880, nothing in the world history. Prior to that the 11th century was far warmer then it is now or for the predicted future, even by the most pessimistic global warming model. In that century there were far less Atlantic storms, and far less plagues and famines then there were in the centuries before and after. Scotland was an agriculture center, and in England they made wine, too cold to do that now. So what is the problem if the Earth gets warmer? However, it is not, solar energy patterns (there is no human influence there) is indicating we are heading for a much colder period that could last for the next 40 to 60 years.
It should be noted that when a natural disaster strikes it is those depended on government who are the hardest hit. This is true for anyone, rich or poor and anywhere in the world. So what Bill Clinton is proposing is the perfect liberal solution to a non-problem, reduce prosperity, and increase dependency on government.
Posted by: Richard Denker | February 1, 2008, 8:26 pm 8:26 pm
I saw this speech last night and remembered very clearly how BIll presented this concept it was a HYPOTHETICAL!!What if we slowed down our ecconomy then what would happen???Other countries like china and india would say well we are not going to do that because we have to catch up. Then Bill said something to the effect well we all have to get into this fight together and create the new industries that are going to make life better for everyone including China and India etc.
Posted by: stephen | February 1, 2008, 8:48 pm 8:48 pm
This isn’t really a discussion about global warming and if it is areal threat or not. It is about the right winged nutter media taking a stament that Bill made and twisting it around to sound like he wants to stop the ecconomy or stop the United States from working or what ever the heck they are trying to say. The fact is Global warming may be happening it may not be happening but how about this…..Suppose that global warming is in fact not a real threat what is the harm in doing something about what many perceive to be a major problem in most large cities of the world Carbon Monoxide build (see Bejing. Now lets assume that there is really nothing to worry about with smog or pollution except it is reall dirty and makes it difficult to breath and makes everything dirty and so on…Now I ask what is the problem with trying to make that filth disappear? The air will be cleaner, in all probability there will be new jobs created because of the technology that will be created becasue of the advancement in science (See US spce program circa 1960′s). I also call this the automobile safety belt syndrome. When it was shown that safety belts saved lives did the Auto Industry go GOLLY WE REALLY NEED TO PUT THIS IN ALL CARS….NO! it had to be mandated byt OH MY GOD THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!!!!!AHHHHHHHHHHH! Now I am not sure but wouldn’t it be nice to know how many people are alive today because they had to wear a seat belt! There is always resistence to inovation and advnacement for the human race (see Ludites) and those who are getting in the way of realizing that we can do soemthing about the environment we live in weather it has anything to do with Global warming or not is of little cosnsequence. What matters is quality of life and for me I want clean air and water for starters!
Posted by: stephen | February 1, 2008, 9:09 pm 9:09 pm
I’d just like to say everyone here needs to calm down, switch off their lights when not in the room, set their thermostat a degree or two higher in the summer and lower in the winter, and think for themselves. Bill Clinton is not advocating slowing the economy, and Tapper didn’t claim he did. Its just that everybody overanalyzes every snippet of speech out there. Look, global warming is a man-made phenomenon (just ask the majority of scientists who are actually published in peer-reviewed journals). However, humans are very adept. While most governments and most americans aren’t yet willing to sacrifice anything (even driving a *”£%^$ SUV), eventually they will. And money will be made by innovative companies that exploit this. That’s Bill’s point. Whether or not Hillary is the one to bring about this paradigm shift is very debatable, however. Peace.
Posted by: brian | February 1, 2008, 10:04 pm 10:04 pm
Bill Clinton had his chance when he decided not to go for the Kyoto Protocol, when AL GORE WAS HIS VP. AL GORE, who had devoted decades to this kind of thing. Bill’s idea was that it would slow down the economy. Seems like the European economies did just fine under Kyoto…
Posted by: Ronald Loui | February 2, 2008, 3:17 am 3:17 am
Once again the MSM is making news rather than reporting it. It is truly disgusting.
Here is what Bill Clinton said.
-snip-
And maybe America, and Europe, and Japan, and Canada — the rich countries — would say, ‘O.K., we just have to slow down our economy and cut back our greenhouse gas emissions ’cause we have to save the planet for our grandchildren.’ We could do that.
But if we did that, you know as well as I do, China and India and Indonesia and Vietnam and Mexico and Brazil and the Ukraine, and all the other countries will never agree to stay poor to save the planet for our grandchildren. The only way we can do this is if we get back in the world’s fight against global warming and prove it is good economics that we will create more jobs to build a sustainable economy that saves the planet for our children and grandchildren. It is the only way it will work.
-snip-
Propaganda parading around as news should trouble the American people regardless of what presidential candidate you support. ABC should be more responsible.
Posted by: Kristine | February 2, 2008, 10:31 am 10:31 am
I found the comments about Europe and Kyoto simply laughable…Only someone who doesn’t know the first thing about Kyoto could make such statements…to wit…1)No European country is in compliance with its Kyoto targets and while I have forgotten the numbers (easy enough to find)…they are mostly well in excess of their targets…2) This is especially laughable given the way the Kyoto baseline was set…Kyoto is a joke
Posted by: Rick | February 2, 2008, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm
Yes Chris is right-on it, we must keep the clintons out of the white house at all cost,remember whitewater monica lewinsky,filegate and they went on a petty thief binge when George replaced them, taking whitehouse silverware,sheets ,towels,soap,art works and anything that wasn’t nailed down before the were odered to give it back,and yet pardon gate was wide open for thieves , money launderers,fraud,crooked ,lobbiest and any kind of criminal activities known to mankind. please get thee to the Obama for president polls asap
OBAMA 08 GO GO oBAMA
Posted by: shaggy dog | February 3, 2008, 12:17 am 12:17 am
Good info much appreciated
Posted by: PinkFox | February 3, 2008, 7:02 am 7:02 am
Is Bill Clinton the only person on the planet prepared to talk openly about a real global issue, one that is ominously looming before humanity on the far horizon?
What I find most surprising is this: even though Bill Clinton has “stepped it up” by talking about the need to slow the global economy — given its leviathan scale and, perhaps, soon to become unsustainable growth rate — there remains one problem, the proverbial “mother” of all global challenges, about which Republicans and Democrats, the self-proclaimed Masters of the Universe and ordinary people, the corporatists and environmentalists, leaders and followers remain in virtually total denial…. trenchantly unwilling to discuss openly:
OVERPOPULATION ISSUE OVERLOOKED BY PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
THE CAPITAL TIMES, Madison, WI
Rob Zaleski — 1/25/2008
Thanks for your attention. Comments are invited.
Posted by: Steve Salmony | February 3, 2008, 9:16 am 9:16 am
Its time to back Mitt Romney the only true conservative candidate. I agree with Sean Hanity
Posted by: stephen | February 3, 2008, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm
I listened to President Clinton’s speech. Nowhere did he advocate slowing the economy to combat global climate change. What he did say was that slowing the economy was one way to do it, but that it was the wrong way to do it. He clearly and forcefully argued that combating global climate change could INCREASE JOBS here in the United States.
What President Clinton did was use a rhetorical device to set up his argument that combating global climate change could STIMULATE ECONOMY. For those who don’t know, “rhetoric is the art (Latin) or technique (Greek) of persuasion through the use of oral, visual, or written language.” –wikipedia.
To those of you who took what Tapper wrote at face value I have some questions? Did you actually watch, actively listen and critically listen to what President Clinton said? Did you watch and listen with an open mind, willing to be persuaded? Or did you just wait for the words you wanted to hear to confirm your preconceived ideas?
Posted by: Michael | February 3, 2008, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm
This post is very misleading…
Read what Clinton said and decide for yourself…
This story illustrates a lot about our media and what passes for “news”
Posted by: media truth | February 3, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
It is shocking that abc news would allow their name to be put on this type of misleading and incorrect reporting … the NEW fox news?
Posted by: responsible news media | February 3, 2008, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
What did Jake Tapper mean by taking a couple of lines from the middle of a speech President Clinton gave and using them to turn President Clintons message upside down ? Did he mean that he would use any trick he could find to keep A Clinton out of the White House ? Could this have anything to do with Monica Lewinski dropping him for President Clinton? We MUST know these things.And we will not rest until we know ALL the facts and publish them for ALL to know.Have a nice day, Jacob. Later.
Posted by: notsojake | February 3, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
To all of the Global warming “believers”….. please tell us why Mars, and Jupiter and Saturn are all warming at the same rate? Could it be that the carbon from Earth is migrating there as well? Or could it be because the Sun has a higher level of output? By the way, we just came to the Sun Spot minimum and are no heading to a higher level of Sun Spots. It happens ever 11 years folks.
Also, please explain to us why the CO2 levels FOLLOW the rise in temperature……
Posted by: Kevin Wagner | February 4, 2008, 9:54 am 9:54 am
Mr. Tapper, I assume you physically typed this essay yourself, and therefore, I assume you actually took the time to press the key for the two single-quote marks that surround the sentence about slowing down our economy. As a trained journalist and writer, you presumably did so because you knew those words represented a nested quote inside another quote, indicating that the words were not Clinton’s own, but someone else’s.
Therefore, it is obvious from this punctational giveaway that you knew Clinton was using the words about slowing our economy down as a hypothetical quote or idea expressed by a hypothetical someone else.
The lie that there is some question about what Clinton meant is entirely exposed by this, your own usage of punctuation which clearly signals that at the time you wrote this article, you knew that he was not saying those words as an expression of his own beliefs, but to represent someone else’s.
Here is the relevant portion. I draw your attention to the single quotes surrounding that sentence within Clinton’s full quote:
“And maybe America, and Europe, and Japan, and Canada — the rich counties — would say, ‘OK, we just have to slow down our economy and cut back our greenhouse gas emissions ’cause we have to save the planet for our grandchildren.’ We could do that.
“But if we did that…”
There can be no doubt from this you understood the rhetorical structure of his comments, and that those words were not being stated as an expression of his own beliefs.
There can also be no doubt that when Clinton began the next paragraph with the word “But” that he was entering into a refutation of or objection to that stated belief, clearly indicating he disagreed with it.
Changing your headline to the question “What did he mean?” does not undo the essential dishonesty of this entire article. There WAS no question of what he meant until you decided to create one.
And by your use of the single quotes surrounding those words, you reveal that you knew this all along.
I am still awaiting a retraction.
Posted by: Dennis | February 4, 2008, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
Is this blog a satirization of conservatives? Because when this fiction is all that can be mustered for an attack, you got nothin. It only makes the purveyor of it look like an idiot or atonishingly, obviously dishonest. Makes you say WTF. Pointless.
Posted by: not coming back | February 4, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm
Oh come on! You can’t really be THAT stupid, can you? Clinton never said “we just need to slow down the economy”
He said that he imagined that it might be possible for industrialized nations to say that, but they’d be wrong to do so, because it wouldn’t be realistic and wouldn’t solve the problem.
So, now, because of this idiotic and intentionally obtuse mischaracterization, the bloggosphere is full of people quoting it as fact. Much like the never-said “I invented the Internet” quote from 2000.
Does ABC have ANY standards, at all? This wouldn’t pass muster for meeting the standards of a junior high school newspaper.
Posted by: Andy | February 4, 2008, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm
This global warming thing could turn out OK for Mr GW Bu$h. If there are no future generations, he will not have to worry about his legacy !
Posted by: notsojake | February 4, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
Jake,
Did Bill misspeak or did you misunderstand or did you mislead? Pretty clear it was choice 2 or 3. You need to correct your mistake ASAP.
Posted by: Craig Nelson | February 4, 2008, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm
Did Bill Clinton mean the exact opposite of what he said?
Jake Tapper investigates.
Geeeez…. What a right-wing hack attack.
And now this misleading and incorrect story is being spread all over crackpot “conservative”-land just like you intended.
Shame on you ABC.
You distort. You decide.
Posted by: Reading Is Fundamental | February 5, 2008, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
Here we are sending almost all of our manufacturing jobs to China. We buy these products & help their economy. Soon we will not be able to afford even the chinese products because we will have lost so many jobs. How many products do the Chincese buy from the US, that are actually manufactured in the US? We need to start making things again in the USA & supporting the companies who employ American workers.
Posted by: Ann | February 12, 2008, 10:58 am 10:58 am
Perhaps Bill Clinton’s curious choice of words stems from the fact that most of the so called green solutions are far less promising than they might appear to be. If we can not come up with more innovative technical answers, the remaining solution to the global warming problem is, unfortunately, a slow down of the (world) economy. But there are powerful innovative answers.
A non-political approach is discussed in a comment by me under the Frances Beinecke, NRDC president, discussion at
Posted by: Jim Bullis | February 12, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
I AM SO TIRED OF THE POLITICS THAT GO ON IN THIS COUNTRY., OK LET ME BE CLEAR ON THIS- ( I AM AN INDEPENDANT) NOT A DEM OR A RE-PUB. SO IM KIND OF A MUTUAL OBSERVER. HOWEVER IT SEEMS THAT AS FAR AS THESE PRIMARYS GO THE PARTYS COULD REALLY CARE LITTLE ABOUT WHAT THE VOTE SAYS AND MORE ABOUT WHAT THEIR FELLOW POLITICIANS HAVE TO SAY.
FOR EXAMPLE- MIKE HUCKABEE IS RUNNING BEHIND IN THE DELEGATE COUNT AND PROBABLY CANT WIN THE NOMINATION OF THE PARTY. BUT THE RULES ARE UNTIL THE NUMBER IS REACHED THERE IS NOT A WINNER. SO WHY IS ALL OF THE REPUBLICANS IN WASHINGTON AND ALL OF THE POLITICIANS RALLYING BEHIND MCCAIN LIKE THIS THING IS OVER? GIVE THE PEOPLE A CHANCE TO VOICE THEIR OPINION. LET THE PRIMARY GO ON SO ALL OF THE STATES CAN HAVE THEIR VOICES HEARD.
THE MESSAGE THAT WASHINGTON SENDS IS THEY DONT REALLY CARE ABOUT THE OPINION OF THE HEART LAND- AFTER ALL WASHINGTON DC AND THE NEW ENGLAND STATES HAVE SPOKE. – THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS WAY OUT OF TOUCH, AND BECUASE OF THIS THEY WILL LOSE THE WHITE HOUSE, AND THEY DESERVE IT. YOU ARE ALIENATING YOUR BASE, THE VERY INDIVIDUALS THAT HOLD YOUR PARTIES VALUES.
FIRST IT WAS A VOTING SCANDAL IN WASHINGTON STATE., AFTER ALL HUCKABEE CANT BEAT YOUR FRONT RUNNER IN THREE STATES IN A ROW, CAUSE THAT WOULD JUST NOT BE WHAT THE PARTY WANTS.
THEN THERES ROMNEY, GOT ALL HIS VOTES FROM CONSERVATIVES WHO DO NOT WANT TO VOTE FOR MCCAIN.- THEN HE RUNS A SMEAR CAMPAIGN AGAINST MCCAIN AND AFTER HE DROPS OUT HE NOW TRYS TO GIVE ALL HIS DELEGATES TO MCCAIN AS HUCKABEE STARTS TO SURGE WITH THE REPUBLICAN BASE. SOOOO WHY IS IT THAT THE REPUBLICANS DO NOT WANT THIS PRIMARY TO GO ON. THEY ARE TIRED OF THE MESSAGE THAT THE VOTERS ARE SENDING., ITS AGAINST THERE AGENDA, SO AS ALWAYS THE POLITICIANS HAVE DECIDED THEY ARE GOING TO PICK THERE CANIDATE- NOT THE VOTE OF THE PEOPLE.
OH DONT WORRY DEMOCRATS, IM SURE YOU WILL SEE THE SAME COME THE SUPER DELEGATES. WE WILL SEE WHAT MATTERS MORE, THE PEOPLES CHOICE OR WHAT
WASHINGTON AND POLICTICIANS WANT. I HOPE THE DEMOCRATIC SUPER DELEGATES DO THE RIGHT THING.
ITS TIMES LIKE THIS IM GLAD IM AN INDEPENDANT.
Posted by: charles | February 14, 2008, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm
This distortion of words and taking things out of context are the very things that republicans bank on. Most of the “conservatives” do not listen to the full meaning of what people like President Clinton are saying. The republican media only reports a part of the phrase & this is what people hear. Then the whole thing gets blown out of proportion & you have the republicans saying that the Clintons want to slow down the U.S. economy. If you actually listen to the whole statement he is saying, you would understand that he is simply trying to make a point on how wrong it would be to slow our economy down to combat global warming. And if we embrace energy independence and create “green” jobs, it will actually expand our economy while combatting global warming – Hello, a win-win situation, right? But the “conservative” republicans will continue to believe the false propoganda that their lying, cheating, distorting party leaders are delivering and continue to drive our country and world toward disaster.
Posted by: Kale Tifft | March 6, 2008, 7:47 pm 7:47 pm
Bill Clinton campaigned for Joe Lieberman in the Connecticut U.S. Senate race against challenger Ned Lamont in 2006.
Lamont won the democratic run off election as the democratic candidate for the U.S. Senate. The Republicans returned Liberman to the senate!
Posted by: Zero | May 14, 2008, 5:04 am 5:04 am
America has to borrow and tax more, just to pay off the interest on the money we already (over) borrowed. If you cut through the crap, and go back to simple basics, all economists agree that the first thing an individual should do to get their finances back into the black, is to pay off their credit cards, and get out from under paying the interest each month. The U.S. is no different. Instead of solving the problem by borrowing hundreds of Billions more, and assuming Billions more in interest, our first priority should be to pay off our loans, and stop paying all that interest on loans !!!
Posted by: Howard | October 2, 2008, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm
The economy is in turmoil and all Americans see is the wealthy getting the bailout. I see a way of fixing it and it is very easy, and will not just help a few people but everyone in the United States. We have set aside $700,000,000,000 for the bailout correct. Set aside approximately $330,000,000.00 of the $700,000,000,000.00 which would leave $699,670,000.000.00 left to feed the buzzards of Freddie, Fannie, AIG and so on. Take the $330,000,000.00 and send it to every man and woman legally in the United States and have not committed a felony, right at a million dollars a person even the children. Make the parents the executor of the children’s money and make it mandatory that all be invested for their futures once eighteen they are then able to touch the money but only if they attend a higher education program, if not they have to wait till age 24 when they may have some kind of career going at that time. Takes care of federal or personal educational loans, covered. The adults have to pay taxes first on the million at the 32% rate, which would automatically send approx. $ 69,300,000.00 back to the federal Gov. Then they can use the money to pay off mortgages, which will help these failing banks, then pay off high interest rate credit card loans, then buy some kind of alternative fuel type car or at least a fuel efficient car. This would help with the environment and help with homeland security. Not only would it do those things but it would make sure all Americans would have money for medical insurance and should be made mandatory for the use of the money, this would help our failing hospitals from non payment of services rendered. The big thing would be the solution for Social Security for all ages. The amount of taxes paid on capital gains could go straight back into Social Security for the future generations. May God bless you and God bless our great nation the good ole USA.
Posted by: Kevin | October 17, 2008, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm
Really good article gives me a better insight, thanks.
Posted by: cashback | November 23, 2008, 10:08 am 10:08 am
i think we should save the world first. and the economy at the same time. try to think open minded.
Posted by: julius | December 9, 2008, 8:48 pm 8:48 pm
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Posted by: astowlaft | May 22, 2009, 9:27 am 9:27 am
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Posted by: DANNY SAYLOR | June 13, 2009, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm
cashback:
Although I like where you’re coming from, your math is a little off.
If each of the country’s 307 million people received $1 million, the cost would be 307 million X 1 million.
A million X a million = a trillion.
Oh, and BTW — there is always global warming (when there is not global cooling). And vice-versa. The climate is always changing. Human activity has very little to do with it.
A change in a very minor trace gas (CO2), from 4 parts in ten thousand to 5 parts in ten thousand, will not cause runaway global warming and climate catastrophe like the gorons claim. AGW is a grant money scam, nothing more.
I worked in climate metrology [no, not "meteorology"] for over thirty years. We knew AGW was bogus as soon as Al Gore opened his pie hole.
Posted by: Baja_ha | July 18, 2009, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm