Jan 26, 2008 8:18pm
Bubba: Obama Is Just Like Jesse Jackson
Said Bill Clinton today in Columbia, SC: "Jesse Jackson won South Carolina in ’84 and ’88. Jackson ran a good campaign. And Obama ran a good campaign here."
This was in response to a question from ABC News’ David Wright about it taking "two Clintons to beat" Obama. Jackson had not been mentioned.
Boy, I can’t understand why anyone would think the Clintons are running a race-baiting campaign to paint Obama as "the black candidate."
– jpt
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Posted by: Donny Cruce | January 26, 2008, 8:24 pm 8:24 pm
WOW. It is hard to believe that Clinton would dredge up something like that. He is pettier that I could have imagined. My beef is with Hillary though. Her background with decimating American jobs
Posted by: angry weasel | January 26, 2008, 8:38 pm 8:38 pm
The Clintons call Sen. Obama “the Black” candidate and then say, I never said that. Yes, they lie like a rug and you can be sure this will always be their modus operandus!
Posted by: Jessica | January 26, 2008, 8:39 pm 8:39 pm
I’m sick of the media trying to make this a racial contest. Obama won because his message of change is preferred by voters. I hope people won’t be influenced by the race baiting.
Posted by: justplaindave | January 26, 2008, 8:49 pm 8:49 pm
Incredible. Not just race baiting, but, actually, plain old racism. And he might not even realize it.
Posted by: Pete | January 26, 2008, 8:51 pm 8:51 pm
This is “code-speak” for whites that hate Jesse Jackson’s racially charged campaigning. And sadly, many whites may fall for it just because they heard Bill say it. Disgusting and sad. Other politicians from both parties need to pull his punk card. Jimmy Carter and Al Gore would be perfect in this capacity. But like most Democrats, they have NO gumption.
Posted by: dionysus | January 26, 2008, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm
Hillary and Bill are playing up to peoples’ conscious and uncousious biases. We in America need to get past this. Obama has the vision and integrity to work to unite America. The Clintons do not know how to build up and unite. America deserves to have a president with integrity.
Posted by: Integrity First | January 26, 2008, 9:05 pm 9:05 pm
White female here. I’ve really had it with the Clintons. I will support Obama. If he doesn’t get the nomination, I will either vote for a Republican, or sit it out. I will not vote for Hillary Clinton. I will not support anything divisive. I am sick to death of how afraid and how divided we are. Barack Obama or John Edwards were my choices. And I am a contemporary of Hillary. I am 60.
Posted by: Anon | January 26, 2008, 9:22 pm 9:22 pm
Hillary did not get the significant majority of the white vote, some of it went to Edwards.
Hopefully, we can read that to mean that people don’t like Hillary.
I was watching the number percentages in Iowa on the Des Moines Register as they were being tallied. At 75% reporting, they had about 175,000 for Obama, 70,000 for Edwards, and 69,000 for Hillary.
Obama has won the popular vote by a large margin.
So, I have to ask, did Jesse win in Iowa?
Posted by: Kiku | January 26, 2008, 9:24 pm 9:24 pm
The Clintons are really shameless. It’s hard to believe they’re trying to bring down the most popular political figure in decades… and playing the race card on top of it.
Posted by: Andy | January 26, 2008, 9:54 pm 9:54 pm
Obama Should Simply Let Bill Clinton Stay His Course. He Is Becoming Obama’s Biggest Ally.
Posted by: Nuclear Midnight | January 26, 2008, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm
Watching Hillary’s JOKE of a concession speech …she could not inspire a fly…note they took every Black person in the crowd and placed them on the seats right behind HER for the cameras…how predictable and despicable.
Posted by: aida | January 26, 2008, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm
Obama is going to fizzle. Wait till he gets in these non speech platforms and actually has to think under fire. Uh oh. The news anchor will freeze up like a deer in headlights without his que cards. His brain cells will protest at the situation and form a sit-down-strike, Obama will summons them to work yet they will ignore his call.
He’s gonna make a lot of money giving speeches in the future though, that he can do. Colleges, businesses, banquettes, they can roll him out like Barman Bailey who said there is an ass for every seat, or, a politician for every day dreamer.
Barack Obama like Hilary -
- He is against photo ID’s for voting. – He is in favor of early release of sex offenders.
- He is in favor of pornography being permitted on school library computers.
- He thinks school sex education should begin in kinder garden then continue on to the 5th grade.
- He was against a bill that would ban porn shops within 1000 feet of schools or churches.
- He is in favor of tax funded abortion.
- He is against medical care for an infant on the operating table who survived the abortion.
- He is against parents of minors being notified when their daughter is going to have an abortion.
- His wife is in favor of partial birth abortion and thinks it should be protected.
- He favors homosexual marriage.
- He favors drivers licenses for illegal aliens, welfare for illegal aliens, food stamps for illegal aliens, social security for illegal aliens.
- He belongs to a black-separatist church.
- And he wants to immediately evacuate a key battlefield in the war on terror thereby handing it over and empowering our sworn enemies.
While Bill Clinton put a smile on the Left’s anti Christian hippie jihad, this guy goes one better and offers you oxycotton. He is a relaxing soothing political date rape drug. And the dealer network is already in place – the mainstream media.
Posted by: paul | January 26, 2008, 10:53 pm 10:53 pm
How embarrassing was it to watch the pundits on CNN tonight? They couldn’t even manage an attempt to cover their glee over, not Obama’s victory, but Clinton’s defeat. The seedy, toothless, visage known as Carl Bernstein was almost wetting himself. I couldn’t even bring myself to switch to MSNBC for fear of seeing Chris Matthews drool himself to death. If you don’t believe their reactions validated Bill Clinton’s take on the media, then I will sell you the line that race played no part in the outcome of the South Carolina primary. And you will believe it, because you saw it on tv.
Posted by: democraticjack | January 26, 2008, 10:54 pm 10:54 pm
Moses you nailed it. I can’t say it better.
Posted by: Duane | January 26, 2008, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm
As long as people depend on POLS for a life, they won’t have one, or deserve one.
Posted by: Tennessee Mts | January 26, 2008, 11:07 pm 11:07 pm
Although a Republican, I thought Hill was doing OK until it became apparent that Obama was more of a threat than HillBilly had thought.
However, I believe that bringing Bill in (a former US President mind you) as the attack dog has not only hurt Hill, but has sullied the office of the US Presidency.
As an American, to see a former President act this way…….it makes me sick…..
When will the American people say enough is enough with these two…..
Posted by: RightBill | January 26, 2008, 11:15 pm 11:15 pm
The Clinton’s say essentially the same things about Edwards. Does that make them racists against whites? What the hell is so important about having a black man as President? Or a woman for that matter? How about we do something really crazy and just vote for the best qualified? Of course, the best qualified is not running but maybe just the best qualified out of the choices we do have. I think Obama would make a great President…after eight years of training.
Posted by: nos4atu | January 26, 2008, 11:18 pm 11:18 pm
I look for a coup within 2 years if Obama is elected. Something new to the American people, old hat to Europeans.
Posted by: bubba | January 26, 2008, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm
None of this matters. The party system has broken the back of our country, and it will not get any better. America will be a short lived power. Shorter than Rome by a long shot.
You can’t get to a position of running for President in this country without embodying the very qualities that would continue to destroy our country.
Posted by: George | January 26, 2008, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm
I have been a registered Republican for almost 20 years my Dad has been for over 50 years extra. I will say this…If Obama runs against McCain the family is going to vote Obama. If the canidates are Hillary and McCain (not a true Republican) we are staying home (maybe get off our arm chairs so we don’t have to listen to scratching nails against the chalkboard.) Obama has spirit…voters of the Democratic party please join together get your friends and family out to your polls and please vote Obama. I can’t stand McCain or Clinton. I would vote Romney but I would be suprise if he gets a chance to represent. Please get out and vote. Vote for us Republicans who want a change (please no more Clintons) She will be a dictator.
Posted by: registeredrepubfor20years | January 26, 2008, 11:30 pm 11:30 pm
Fact: 53-55% voters are black, 80% of that goes to Obama.
Who is surprised? Edwards?
Posted by: Leo | January 26, 2008, 11:30 pm 11:30 pm
jon…a little more than 50% of the registered democrats in SC are black. So they all voted for Obama and a few whites did also.
Posted by: johannah | January 26, 2008, 11:31 pm 11:31 pm
Bottom line in all of this tonight…The Clintons have proven to all… who have their eyes, ears and minds open ,who they truly are= double faced Liars out for themselves only …hungry for Power only, Love for themselves only and not their Country. Good Luck to us All!!
Posted by: aida | January 26, 2008, 11:45 pm 11:45 pm
By the way, while I don’t particularly care for Mormonism, I am not going to make it an issue — like the Democrats have attempted to use the media to do their bidding. Romney just seems like an all around nice guy. In contrast, Obama seems terribly overrated and inexperienced (less than 2 years in the Senate before wanting to run for President) and Hillary is just plain EVIL. – ANYBODY but Hillary or Obama!
Posted by: Mireya Ayala | January 26, 2008, 11:48 pm 11:48 pm
As a Republican, I have to smile when I see democrats make comments like, “Gee, I had no idea the Clintons were so sleazy!” For the sake of my party, I hope the Clintons win the nomination, but for the sake of my country, I hope the public revulsion they so richly deserve, deprives them of a second stay in the White House.
Posted by: Jedsil | January 26, 2008, 11:48 pm 11:48 pm
Come on Thornton, wikipedia as your fact source. What a joke! Most high schools won’t let you source it in 9th grade english.
Posted by: ted cory | January 26, 2008, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm
My request to all you Democrats out there — isn’t this race baiting an attack to all your self-professed progressive values? Do you want the Clintons to represent your party and values that are dear to you? As a person who is right of center, the greater tragedy is not as much as Pres Clinton attacking Sen Obama but those Democrats who support the Clintons and want Sen Clinton to be the next President. I request you to ask yourselves — do we want the viciousness and poison to continue? As much as I disgree with Sen Obama’s progessive bend, he is a likable person — someone I can have a civil dialog and debate with, unlike the Clintons.
Posted by: Josh | January 27, 2008, 12:11 am 12:11 am
What’s Brack going to do when he wins the popular vote, but Hillary takes the nomination because of the machine appointed delegates? She’s got 166 “Super Delegates” already.
Posted by: Maggie Williams | January 27, 2008, 12:12 am 12:12 am
Holy freaking crap!!!
Stop saying not to vote
for Obama because he is a Muslim!
HE IS NOT, AND IF HE WAS, IT WOULD
BE UN-AMERICAN TO DENY HIM A FAIR ELECTION
FOR RACE OR RELIGION!!!
It is really annoying! It is offensive to me as an American and as someone who hates racism, and I’m a white Christian, so theres another stereotype to flush down the toilet!
Posted by: Anonymous | January 27, 2008, 12:12 am 12:12 am
South Carolina shows that truth, simple truth, can still win the field.
That good Democrats believe that a party of change should not also be a party to corruption.
And that government accountability starts with personal responsibiity–something the Clintons famously avoid at all times, in all circumstances.
We must continue to speak truth to power.
Posted by: Martin Edwin Andersen | January 27, 2008, 12:14 am 12:14 am
You know the saddest thing I get out of reading half these comments is individual’s shock to President Clinton’s actions. Wake up, you that now disagree with it said nothing about these tactics when Billy crossed the unwritten rule with Jimmy Carter of bashing a current President. Time for you all to experience what you’ve ignored for so long and I’ll sit back and laugh at you as your jaws hit the floor with every Clinton Comment.
And FYI, great Democratic followers, Race was brought up in Iowa by none other than Obama….selective listening and understanding is more apparent every time I read up on the Democratic side of things….g’day
Posted by: Johnny | January 27, 2008, 12:14 am 12:14 am
How come Obama doesn’t put his hand over his heart during the pledge of allegance? Don’t vote for him.
Posted by: Down with Obama | January 27, 2008, 12:15 am 12:15 am
Bill Clinton is looking more and more like King Kong–in the 1933 movie version–in which he holds aloft a terrified Fay Wray–here the Democratic Party–while raging: “Love me! Love me!”
Posted by: Martin Edwin Andersen | January 27, 2008, 12:15 am 12:15 am
We must stop the Clintons now and if she wins we must vote for the republican candidate.
Posted by: William | January 27, 2008, 12:16 am 12:16 am
I can’t wait for Obama to win.
It can be done!
Posted by: Mike | January 27, 2008, 12:17 am 12:17 am
The Clintons are pathetic, desperate, and evil — and they’re becoming more and more transparent.
I think it’s great that people are finally seeing their true colors — they make Bush look like a genius.
Billary, please shut up and go away!!!
Posted by: hklm21 | January 27, 2008, 12:20 am 12:20 am
the clintons scare me. i liked him when he was president . enough is enough. they now remind me of karl rove.
Posted by: tim weston | January 27, 2008, 12:21 am 12:21 am
No to McCain for the Reublicans. He is very much like Hillary and leans to the left a bit too much.
Romney is a businessman and can run a country
Posted by: G | January 27, 2008, 12:22 am 12:22 am
Get a young(er) Republican or get a really, really, good, younger Vice President for McCain. The best candidates aren’t running to begin with, but ‘none of the above’ is not an option in the general election. Colin Powell should be drafted by both Democrats and Republicans. His leadership and government experience combined, far exceeds any candidate I’ve seen so far in the 2008 contest. U.S. Army General, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Secretary of Defense and Secretary of State are his positives. What more do you want?
Posted by: hubbabubba | January 27, 2008, 12:22 am 12:22 am
No one in American would even know his name had Mike Ditka run for the Senate.
He’s just a liberal socialist democrat – nothing new or unusual.
Come on folks, they are politicians! They all LIE whenever their lips are moving.
Posted by: Rickster | January 27, 2008, 12:23 am 12:23 am
What the Clinton’s are getting is that people actually LIKE Obama!
Posted by: hklm21 | January 27, 2008, 12:23 am 12:23 am
OK, so we have a choice now of electing another Clinton or they will start a race war? You do not vote because of color or gender but who is best to lead! May GOD help us should the Clinton’s get back in. Obama is not ready. He is young, maybe in eight years but not now. I am going with Huckabee or McCain.
Posted by: Danny | January 27, 2008, 12:23 am 12:23 am
enough racism, folks. obama is the real thing. the clintons are ghosts from the past. the GOP, so obviously, is long since out of ideas.
Posted by: tim W | January 27, 2008, 12:25 am 12:25 am
OBAMA!!!
North Carolinians Endorse OBAMA!
East Carolina
Posted by: thom | January 27, 2008, 12:29 am 12:29 am
The thing is, the Clintons aren’t personally racist. They’re simply people who will do anything to win an election, including bringing race into the campaign and trying to racially divide the electorate. If that’s what it takes to win then that’s what they’ll do.
Posted by: PDB | January 27, 2008, 12:32 am 12:32 am
i fear for my country and the human race when i see that there are so many here who cling to these racist ideas. are you insects? have you evolved at all over the last 150 years?
Posted by: tim W | January 27, 2008, 12:33 am 12:33 am
Obama is the “real thing” (a far left liberal who uses big rhetoric without substance).
Posted by: tim W | January 27, 2008, 12:33 am 12:33 am
One creepy thing about all the Democrats still running is the husbands and wives are both lawyers. Is Edwards wife a lawyer too? I think she is. Bill Richardson or Kucinich look pretty good about know. Mitt the business man or even Hucksterbee the preacher are preferable to a husband & wife legal team.
Posted by: Franc | January 27, 2008, 12:33 am 12:33 am
Greg, we will all be dead and gone before the myth is realized through folklore, that ” W will end up being seen as one of our best Presidents with morals and convictions” George W. Bush’s only convictions were to ruin this country for you and me and our children. He almost succeeded. By the way only those with a third grade education and poor would think that Bush was a good President. The rich know that he was no good, that is the reason they paid him to provide them more tax breaks how much did you get paid. That 10 dollar an hour job wasb’t worth it.
Posted by: Sims | January 27, 2008, 12:33 am 12:33 am
Bill was the first President I was old enough to vote for back in ’96, but I’m now officially done with the Clintons. If she gets the nomination, she’ll win or lose without my help.
Posted by: Christina | January 27, 2008, 12:35 am 12:35 am
Lance, you must be a Dennis Kucinich backer !!
Posted by: Greg | January 27, 2008, 12:36 am 12:36 am
Amazing that people continue to support the Clintons… come on people… do you want to do this for another four years? Let’s grow up and move forward. Obama… you the man!!
Posted by: Geoff | January 27, 2008, 12:36 am 12:36 am
franc, i am not a far left liberal who uses rhetoric without substance. i am left, and left of the center of the democratic party, true. but i am content there and can defend my positions. when i say he is the real thing i mean that he is a new generation, a new voice, a new look, a new kind of intellect. i want that.
Posted by: tim W | January 27, 2008, 12:38 am 12:38 am
VOTE FOR HILLARY!!!
Posted by: Democrat in Dixieland!!! | January 27, 2008, 12:38 am 12:38 am
The results in Iowa, NH & SC prove this race isn’t about race! It’s about one color ……………………………. “RedWhite&Blue” and we Americans are & will vote it. There is no room in our society anymore for any other color!
Posted by: Peter913 | January 27, 2008, 12:39 am 12:39 am
Don’t vote for the Muslim
Posted by: Down with Obama | January 27, 2008, 12:44 am 12:44 am
steve, the we conservatives only vote on ideas and not on symbols idea is old and stale. we liberals only vote on ideas, too, not on symbols. sorry. try again!
Posted by: tim W | January 27, 2008, 12:44 am 12:44 am
A lie told repeatedly, over and over again, starts to sound like the truth.
That lie started when(Obama) he won in Iowa.
Senator Clinton arrived in Iowa like a preening peacock, with the self-assurance that Iowa caucus would be a cakewalk. Who was running against her? The rest were tired Democratic Washington hacks, who like there counter parts the Republicans have done nothing of note up this point in there careers worth remembering.
She (Sen. Clinton) surly did not think Iowans (96% white) would vote for upstart Sen. Obama or Nobody Edwards! She on the other hand was a former First Lady whose husband had been enormously popular and liked within the party.
Prior to moving to New York and running for Senator (nothing new, Robert Kennedy did it) she never held or ran for political office. However, her running for president as Former President Clinton’s wife did not move me. I was not interested in voting for her even before Sen. Barack Obama entered the race.
I do admired Sen. Obama. People do like him, and everybody is talking about how he did not pander and trying to bring everybody on board.
Posted by: Megan | January 27, 2008, 12:45 am 12:45 am
For the longest time, I thought that Republicans were preposterous when they spoke about the Clinton “machine”. I thought Republicans were making up some illusion to get their base excited and increase turn out. As a democrat, I have witnessed some of what they have been talking about. The truth, it is Obama against the Clintons (both of them) One gives the perception that she is playing by the rules, offering a positive agenda for the nation; on the other hand, the former president, in “attack dog” form, goes and tries to devour his wife’s opponent with distortions and half truths. Just today Mr. Clinton, tried to lump Obama with the likes of Jesse Jackson, a figure as polarizing as the Clintons themselves.
I have to admit my spirit was damped, hurt by what happened coming out of New Hampshire. The former president, whom I defended in the past, has showed me his true self. I was grossly offended, personally, to the point where I asked myself, is this the kind of mess I want to see in the White House, after the devastation caused by now President Bush.
South Carolina has given me reason to HOPE again in spite of what the road looks like- God is good.
Posted by: K Eldridge | January 27, 2008, 12:45 am 12:45 am
“Jesse Jackson won South Carolina in ’84 and ’88″. If Bill thinks that history will repeat itself then he has to accept that Hillary will lose in November.
Posted by: eclectica | January 27, 2008, 12:49 am 12:49 am
Both Clinton and Obama have a positive agenda for America. Problem is we don’t what it is and those two don’t know either.
Clintons….please just go away
Posted by: GC | January 27, 2008, 12:49 am 12:49 am
are so many people really afraid of the color of a person’s skin? it saddens me to no end. i really thought we had evolved.
Posted by: tim W | January 27, 2008, 12:49 am 12:49 am
Good idea!
McCain/Condi in 2008!
Romney/Condi in 2008!
Either of these would be one heck of a ticket! She would be only the second PhD to ever serve as an executive (second only to Woodrow Wilson). Her experience as President of Stanford University is excellent! Good stuff!
This ticket would have my vote!!!
Posted by: Mireya Ayala | January 27, 2008, 12:50 am 12:50 am
I don’t care that Obama is black or Hillary is a woman.
I care that they are both BAD CANDIDATES for the highest office in the entire world. Should we elect such terrible choices as the leader of the free world? NO!!! They are not smart enough or trustworthy enough to win my vote!
Posted by: Michelle Gonzales-Puentes | January 27, 2008, 12:54 am 12:54 am
Uh huh… so assuming that Bill also says that race has nothing to do with anything, I suppose he will compare ANY candidate in the future that wins South Carolina to Jesse Jackson?
Posted by: Kevin | January 27, 2008, 12:55 am 12:55 am
Hillary and Edwards need to demonstrate the Democratic Party’s commitment to affirmative action and racial diversity.
Posted by: Dryden01 | January 27, 2008, 12:56 am 12:56 am
Let the major media keep telling you what to think.
Posted by: It Doesn't Matter | January 27, 2008, 12:57 am 12:57 am
Come on people…all this race stuff is stupid…..we have SERIOUS stuff to worry about like the Economy, the War. I don’t care what color he is I just want a Democrat in office at the end of the year. Obama does not hate white people, his mother is a white person….personally I like all three candidates before all of this stupidity started…but the way the clintons are acting now I’ll take obama or edwards…anybody but them.
Posted by: rome | January 27, 2008, 12:57 am 12:57 am
For those of you with short memories, John Kerry and John Edwards both came way ahead of Al Sharpton in the 2004 SC democratic primaries. Both of them got more black votes. Sharpton onlt got 10% of the vote. What does this mean? It means black voters in SC do not vote on the basis of race or they would have voted for Sharpton. Bill Clinton conveniently forgets these more recent facts and only remembers Jesse Jackson’s campaigns in the 1980s.
Posted by: xango | January 27, 2008, 1:01 am 1:01 am
Sharpton is an idiot
Posted by: gigi | January 27, 2008, 1:03 am 1:03 am
“:the fact is that the white man started the slave trade and the modern day black man deserves payment for time and suffering.”
Terrance, are you mad?
you should get your facts stright.
BLACK Tribal leaders SOLD their own to the white man to trade. This started in Africa.Fact.
Posted by: jon | January 27, 2008, 1:06 am 1:06 am
As a white 58 registered republican who has the hope he will be our candidate and would be honored to vote for Obama, I would like to “tell one other thing”who as a coward would not give his real name…YOU ARE A RACIST PIG!!!….when will this country wake up and now spew such disgusting venom….so my n word to you is Neantherdal…
Posted by: Linda | January 27, 2008, 1:06 am 1:06 am
“I care that they are both BAD CANDIDATES for the highest office in the entire world. Should we elect such terrible choices as the leader of the free world? NO!!! They are not smart enough or trustworthy enough to win my vote!”
Obama graduated 1st in his class from Harvard Law School. Suggesting that he is not smart enough to be president, considering George W. Bush’s tenure, is laughable.
Posted by: Rich | January 27, 2008, 1:09 am 1:09 am
Just what is the political problem that people imagine they have in dealing with Obama? I cant see any substantive objections to him: he has vision, he raises a sense of nonpartisan movement in a stagnant political system, and hope for all of us that problems can be faced and solved, he can inspire people; that all means that he has something to offer which all Americans can accept with great appreciation. he defines our need for leadership! …and the Clintons? Are they entitled to a joint presidency? Can they really function in the Executive Office as a single President would? Where would Bill C.s responsibilities lie? What would a hapless VP in a Clinton White House possibly do?
Posted by: RP | January 27, 2008, 1:12 am 1:12 am
After reading all of this I can say that most Democrats are beginning to understand just how destructive the Clintons have been and will be to our country if elected again. Somehow it is different when you see what they do to another Democrat that, although very liberal, is trying to run a meaningful campaign. We conservatives tried for years (although not very well or very effectively) to get you to see how poisonous Bill and Hillary are to our country. Take a good look and then back someone who might at least be somewhat honest and able to unite people if not conservative.
As a conservative, I’m not too happy with the Republican field either. However,if we truly want a person who can effectively lead our country, then there is someone who has proven his metal several times. Rudy showed his ability to lead effectively as the Mayor of our country’s largest city in cleaning up the crime and during and after 9/11. I don’t personally like some of what he would do, but he would see that our country was both safe and economically sound so that we would be able to argue over our liberal and conservative ideologies.
The Clintons will truly say and do anything to be back in power. Obama is a nice man who would be a disaster as president. All would spend like there is no tomorrow, just like Bush and congress have done for seven years. McCain would do the same and is essentially no different from the Clintons except that he would try to protect our country.
The thing that I don’t understand about you Democrats and Republicans is why you don’t understand that without a strong economy and without being strong militarily, we won’t have a free country for very long. Please go out and take simple courses in economics and History of the United States (the real history, not what they are trying to teach my grandchildren nowadays), and try to learn the lessons of the past.
Quit with the class envy and class warfare. Quit with the racism. Quit wanting the government to try and run everything. Quit saying that the president runs the country. All the government does is to screw most things up and spend too much doing it.
If nothing else though, just don’t let the Clintons back for another four or eight years. PLEASE don’t!
Posted by: Jack Frost | January 27, 2008, 1:34 am 1:34 am
When is everyone gonna wake up and realize Bill and Hill don’t give a darn about anyone but themselves and they don’t care what they have to do to get back in power
Posted by: Eric | January 27, 2008, 1:41 am 1:41 am
I want someone to please explain to me why anyone would vote for HILLARY CLINTON after BILL CLINTON went against most of the other Democrats in congress and joined with most of the Republicans to pass NAFTA and WTO free trade agreements.
The Republicans didn’t have enough votes to pass it through congress, so Bill Clinton twisted the arms of other Democrats in congress to vote with the Republicans too pass it. Then as President Bill Clinton, signs it into LAW.
Does anyone really think America can have free trade agreements (like NAFTA and WTO) with third world countries that pay their workers 1/20th of what American Companies pays our workers?
We should cancel the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) with Canada, United States and Mexico.
Then pull out of the World Trade Organization (WTO).
All these politicians in BOTH PARTIES are presently “FREE TRADING” America into a THIRD WORLD COUNTRY.
If the American people disagree with what I’m saying, that will not change or stop the Destruction of America. If America stays in NAFTA and the WTO, Americans will absolutely end up losing everything.
In the end, all the International Companies will lose everything too. They will all be forced into Bankruptcy because the whole world will end up in a ONE HUGE WORLD WIDE DEPRESSION.
I’m sorry but, that’s where we are headed. GOD please help us from ourselves.
Posted by: Harry Dingey | January 27, 2008, 1:48 am 1:48 am
Rudy has the worse judgment of any of the potential candidates. Provided inadequate radios and communications for the firefighters, leading to many unnecessary deaths. You just don’t get it because you fall for this “marketing to the stupid people” campaign. Oh well, given that his campaign has been a total disaster, and he’s getting his butt kicked by Ron Paul, guess it really doesn’t matter, does it.
Posted by: Oh Really | January 27, 2008, 1:52 am 1:52 am
All of the talk about America being the problem makes me sick. It’s very easy for you to blame America and want equality with other countries while you are safe and protected by the finest military in the world. Our ancestors who fought two world wars to keep us free would be frantic to see what this has all come to. It’s true that we can never seem to learn from the past and will never appreciate what we have until we’ve lost it. All of you who seem to think you have it so bad, but who have it better than any other people the world has ever seen, should remember these days when we have lost it all because of leaders such as the Clintons.
Posted by: Jack Frost | January 27, 2008, 1:55 am 1:55 am
Ron Paul does have better ideas for our country but is apparently unelectable. Your comments on Rudy seem to indicate that you are misunderstanding leadership vs. management. Rudy didn’t provide or not provide radios. Rudy became an effective executive, which is something all of the Dems and most of the Repubs have never done. Senators usually make terrible executives because the jobs require different skills and job requirements.
Posted by: Jack Frost | January 27, 2008, 2:03 am 2:03 am
I don’t know what all the talk about Obama’s “inexperience” is. So what if he’s young. Perhaps some older folk will refrain from choosing him based on that, but that sure didn’t stop JFK. And there is a LARGE, younger, voting-age population whose energy will be mobilized to put him up there.
We do need change. I’ve suffered through the Bushes long enough. Sure, things were good in the Clinton years, and “Dubya” stole the election (and I seriously doubt 9-11 would’ve happened had Dubya not been in office), but their image was tarnished with the Lewinsky affair, and “they” are just not morally right for leadership. Obama is the right person, at the right time.
Mr. Obama, whatever happens, and whatever people say, continue to carry yourself with class and distinction, and your future will be a bright one, and of distinguished service to your country!
Posted by: Kengland | January 27, 2008, 2:05 am 2:05 am
I wouldn’t vote for Hillary against McCain or Romney.
Posted by: theo | January 27, 2008, 2:09 am 2:09 am
The Clintons destroyed the Democratic party once. We lost both houses of Congress.
She doesn’t even qualify as an independent woman running for President.
I really have no clue where they have anyone’s support – it would be like the Republicans nominating Rumsfeld, Cheney, or Rove.
The 60s are over, people. Let’s move on.
Posted by: Jake Nolan | January 27, 2008, 2:12 am 2:12 am
I am an ABC voter (Anybody But Clinton). Although I am a Republican, if Obama wins the Presidency, I can live with that.
At least Obama admits his mistakes, answers questions when asked, is fairly clean (scandals) compared to Hillary.
Remember the last time a politician from Illinois with little experience was elected? His name was Lincoln.
I noticed how Bill and Hillary tried to turn Obama’s words against him.
If Bill can lie to he nation and Hillary about Monica, then what else can he lie about? Where do you draw the line?
Posted by: Jim | January 27, 2008, 2:17 am 2:17 am
By general acclamation, the Clintons are total class-less zeroes. Obama ? He keeps using the word “change” in every another sentence. There are an obvious three questions that have to be asked: one, what needs to be changed if anything; 2.) why does it need to be changed; and, 3.0 what are you going to improve what you’;re changing. People need to see that change for the sake of change is for bored adolescents who have no sense of history and even less sense of the consequences of their actions. Obama wants to pull the troops out of Iraq. What happens then ? Is he prepared for the consequences in a real-life world; a world that doesn’t operate on sound-byte campaign slogans and a slick exterior. Enough of the fixation of this man’s melanin count. Somebody should be asking this man hard questions about real-world issues. Frankly, I don’t think he packs the gear to serve in the Oval Office.
Posted by: MDWhite | January 27, 2008, 2:33 am 2:33 am
Former President Clinton is being a divisive force in this election process. The Democratic party should be beyond this. We, the people, are. Playing the race card may have worked in the past, but I dont think that strategy will work now. I have to extend the blame to Mrs Clinton too for letting the Mr get away with turning this into a racial thing. I will not believe her when she says she wants to bring people together. She would be preaching the opposite of what she is practicing.
Posted by: J.A. | January 27, 2008, 2:41 am 2:41 am
You don’t know why Obama’s “inexperience” is an issue?
Let’s see. As much political experience as Bill Clinton in 1992, a better education, more civil rights work, and several months older than him.
Yet somehow the Clintons have convinced us he’s less experienced, younger, and less intelligent.
Better academically than Hillary Clinton and John Edwards, as much legislative experience as the two of them combined, and he has sponsored several times as many bills as they have VOTED on in their history.
Yet Obama is less intelligent and less experienced.
Hm. What one attribute do Edwards and the Clintons have that makes his intelligence and experience count LESS than theirs…. I wonder….
Oh, but race is definitely not an issue in this campaign. :)
Posted by: Ed | January 27, 2008, 2:42 am 2:42 am
No one will have to “play” the race card in order for it to dominate the general election.
And the only blue state he could count on would be the idylic ethanolland we know as Iowa. Forget about New York and California, to name just two. The Big Blue states have a political culture of inter-ethnic turf contention never seen in the early primary states. Plus tons of first and second generation immigrants from China, Russia, Korea, Eastern Europe and yes Mexico, all of whom vote like white sheriffs in the Jim Crow South. Obama would be lucky to break even in the major cities while losing 2 to 1 in the suburbs. Say hello to President-elect Mitt “The Robot” Romney.
Posted by: Older and Wiser | January 27, 2008, 2:44 am 2:44 am
I’m not sure that Bubba is real. Does he think his comments and opinions are really helping? Seems he is doing more harm than good. But if his political party and his wife are willing to allow him to continue, they better hope they are making the right decision. Do we, as Americans, after all that we have seen and been through, really want a Clinton White House again? It’s time for change. And I hope for America that the right changes are available. Be smart, vote smart.
Posted by: dzwa | January 27, 2008, 2:52 am 2:52 am
I live in NH, where 1 % of the population is black. 20% of the voters cast a vote for Obama. He would have received more had he spoke about the issues in more detail vs his rock band style meetings with the public.
Posted by: Eric NH | January 27, 2008, 2:53 am 2:53 am
I have had enough of the tag team of the clintons. if obama failed, john mcain has my vote. will some one please send the clintons home
Posted by: Bill Jac kson | January 27, 2008, 2:54 am 2:54 am
First, to those who won’t vote for the Repub if it’s McCain…keep this in mind. McCain is not a conservative..but do you really want Dems in total control? They’re going to have the House and Senate…expect them to spend even faster than the Repubs have, raise taxes, ban guns, and cut defense. Better to have gridlock…just like until the Republicans can remember that they are supposed to be the party of smaller government, lower taxes for EVERYONE not just the rich, and strong defense, it probably wouldn’t be a good idea to give them total control either. And although Obama may be better than Hillary, in the end he’s just another tax and spend big government liberal. That policy doesn’t work any better for America than a big government, high-spending conservative like Bush. Although Bush’s tax cutting has kept the economy going pretty good till recently.
Posted by: Matt | January 27, 2008, 2:55 am 2:55 am
Ok -I am not even going to vote for either of the two candidates** but none the less this is fair regardless – a long time ago we gave up anything to do with race or black candidates so that’s out nobody cares racism has no power in politics anymore and its pointless nobody should care that Bill is taking an active role in the campaigning. That is an advantage anyone would use and hill is an ambitious woman – we all knew he would speak and Bill Clinton if anything is a “Dynamic Speaker”. . . I personally disagree with their views on our public policy and I am not in favor of anyone to be quite honest yet I will still vote as it’s my right to be forced to pick someone that slightly meets my beliefs as I think it will always be that way. Some times our society focuses on the wrong things and its easy to promise things before STUFF happens regardless if its favorable ( I know I am being really vague) here is an example of Stuff –“Halliburton: housing market – Enron – 911- all kinds of things Katrina for Gods sakes. Countries and there ever growing competition for power- things are not very stable world wide. We have adjusted in the past – “being on top of the food chain.” – Now we are slowly loosing our place, once the greatest country this planet had, and predominately respected through it existence we are less and less favorable in the world- our morals have declined- The Foreign policy needs to adjust to the world and how we have changed as a culture whether for better or worse this is America and we must survive to give us Americans the best opportunity for life and please I mean Americans too because first we have to stand on our feet before we can help others – heard that one before, I have!. If it weren’t for our government and its federal student loans I would not be able to sit in my room typing this comment in the middle of doing my political science homework – the thing is… It’s sad truly we notice the things shallowest in our candidates they are flawed men we are all flawed in some defect in some sense. I am thankful I have the ability to post this in my country – in another state away from home in school. Thank you everyone and for posting comments with me thought I may not agree with some of the outlandish things I have read – Richard MDW
Posted by: Political Science student at BSU | January 27, 2008, 2:56 am 2:56 am
I am convinced that 30%-42% of the general population, though some may be smart enough for the rubex cube are political morons. How else can you explain unwavering support for Hillary and undying support by some for Dubya.
Posted by: jdr | January 27, 2008, 3:02 am 3:02 am
What does Obama mean when he says, “We”?
Posted by: nolocomp | January 27, 2008, 3:05 am 3:05 am
Here’s a wise comment I found:
Before I jump to conclusions about Bill Clinton’s comment — I’d sure like to see the 60 seconds leading up to it. Not just the 5 second question, but the context. After some of the things the media has done with sound bites during this campaign, I no longer trust that we’re not being duped by clever editing.
If there were questions about Jesse Jackson just moments before, or a query about whether it was ‘historical’ for Obama to win SC, that would change the meaning. (If there weren’t, well, yuck.) Still, I notice that Clinton begins by saying something about ‘baiting’, but the recorded question by the reporter isn’t much of a ‘bait.’
So, Washington Post, show us more of the video feed! Let us see the comment in context and reach our own conclusions.
If it was as bad a comment as it seems to have been, the former POTUS should apologize. But so should Obama’s co-chair, Jesse Jackson Jr., for pretending that Hillary teared up in NH “over her appearance” and that she’d never shed a tear over Katrina. There are unclean hands on all sides.
Posted by: Oh Boy | January 27, 2008, 3:06 am 3:06 am
I am deeply sadden by Caroline’s endorsement of Senator Obama. I understand that she feels he is inspiring, but what we need now is more than just inspiration.
I have to wonder if Caroline would have endorsed Senator Obama, if Jackie Kennedy Onassis was still alive. Jackie was very fond of the Clinton’s stating how Bill and his visions reminded her of her husband. Jackie was a friend to Hillary often sharing stories of raising children in such a public eye.
Upon her death, John F Kennedy,Jr. sent the Clinton’s a hand written letter that said ” I wanted you both to understand how much your burgeoning friendship with my mother meant to her. Since she left Washington I believe she resisted ever connecting with it emotionally-or the institutional demands of being a former First Lady. It had much to do with the memories stirred and her desires to resist being cast in a lifelong role that didn’t quite fit. However, she seemed pro fondly happy and relived to allow herself to reconnect with it through you. It helped her in a profound way- whether it was discussing the perils of raising children in those circumstances or perhaps it was the many similarities between your presidency and my fathers”.
It appears that the Clinton’s not only inspired a nation, but also a former First Lady. Though I respect Caroline’s decision to talk of Obama’s inspiration and his great work in Chicago. It still does not take away from the facts, that his “resume” comes up short!!! Americans need more than inspiration after the Bush administration.
Americans need a proven leader who has traveled the “World” building relationships with foreign leaders. We need someone who has dedicated their entire adult life to helping the under privileged in our Country. Someone who has fought for civil, human and yes, woman’s rights. Not only here in America but across the globe. We need a proven voice that can reach out across party lines. We need someone who is battle tested. We need change for our failing economy. We need universal heathcare. We need jobs. We need to focus on our energy crisis. We need “our” men and woman home. Americans need a leader. Americans need Hillary Clinton!
Though Obama is a beautifully spoken and inspiring gentleman. I am inspired by the years of hard work and dedication that Hillary brings to the table. Kitchen table at that! I am inspired by her ability to stand strong during the media’s continuous bias. I am inspired by a woman who has been fighting for American since before I was born. I am inspired by her continued wiliness to make America better to help make Martin Luther King Jr. dreams a reality. The speeches she heard LIVE all those years ago when segregation was thought to be impossible there stood in Chicago a very young white girl, on a mission to learn and help. Hillary has dedicate her life to a cause so great it has empowered her during some of the toughest times. When most would have given in, she stands to fight for us again and again. That to me, is inspiration. Hillary Rodham Clinton is an inspiration to many Americans and Many Woman all over the WORLD!!!
Today I am endorsing Hillary Clinton. My voice is only one and I am not famous. I will not be on front pages of the dailies across the Country. I am not a Kennedy who swam along side of Chelsea, with her Mom and Bill and Hillary at Menemsha Harbor. I am not
“a perceptive friend and role model to Chelsea”, as Caroline Kennedy was regarded.
I am an American endorsing the only other American running who is qualified to lead and passionate enough to never forget us.
I am an Inspired American from Kentucky and I am proud to endorse, support and volunteer for the 44th President of the United States, Hillary Rodham Clinton.
My name is Robin and I not only approve this message, but I wrote it.
Posted by: Robin Kentucky | January 27, 2008, 3:11 am 3:11 am
Is being called something like Jesse Jackson a slur? Not usually, in Democratic circles. The point was, Clinton had just been asked a leading question that implied the Clintons were toast because of an Obama win in South Carolina — where he had been widely presumed to win. Polls have shown he’s also ahead in Georgia, but Clinton is still quite a bit ahead in the rest of the states. However, the media is just doing what it’s always done with the Clintons: deciding on a script, and then waiting for the “gotcha” moment.
Posted by: Jim H | January 27, 2008, 3:19 am 3:19 am
Nuclear Midnight says: “The Clintons are really shameless. It’s hard to believe they’re trying to bring down the most popular political figure in decades… and playing the race card on top of it.”
No it’s not. Not at all. They’re sleaze bags. Both of them. Shame on them.
Posted by: Ron | January 27, 2008, 3:20 am 3:20 am
It’s strange, but I can’t find the quote you attribute to Bill Clinton anywhere in your little blurb. Where might I be able to find it?
Posted by: COsteve | January 27, 2008, 3:22 am 3:22 am
The last thing Bill wants is for Hillary to get elected. Bill Clinton is obsessed with his legacy and he knows that if Hillary is elected, his presidency will be little more then a footnote in the history books. He would be remembered more for being the first male “first lady” then he would for even being president.
Posted by: Ryan J | January 27, 2008, 3:24 am 3:24 am
Hard to blame the Clintons for being demonstrably outraged at the early success of Obama’s pixie dust cult of personality. After 8 years of peace and prosperity, a balanced budget and disappearing national debt, Hillary pays her dues for years on the junior varsity, only to see Oprah-fed narcissistic freshman hotshot Barack jump the line for varsity status, thereby setting in motion the fracture of the team, and nicely squandering what had up to that point been the Democrats’ once-in-a-lifetime unobstructed path to the White House. Like Ralph Nader before him, Obama’s premature career move has been the best thing that ever could have happened for the GOP.
Posted by: GMAC | January 27, 2008, 3:26 am 3:26 am
North Carolinians DO NOT endorse Barack OR Hillary. As a member of the GOP, I must say that things have been less than ideal lately. We MUST CLOSE the border, and prevent teh gov’t from running our lives. Think sheeple, DO NOT let Hillary win the democratic nomination.
Posted by: rylo | January 27, 2008, 3:44 am 3:44 am
Martin Luther King Jr. teachings were all about a ‘color-blind society,’ yet some people can never get past the color of one’s skin; it is always the basis (along with gender) from which they begin their consideration of others.
But if you are aware of MLK Jr.’s writings, he also agreed with the principles of our Founding Fathers and he then correctly argued that those inalienable rights, et al, were not available to all.
As a conservative, I get chastised for being ‘utopian’ when I say that character counts the most and that I prefer not to ‘see’ someone’s skin color or gender before I judge them. This criticizm usually comes from my more liberal friends who believe it impossible that anyone can look past race and be ‘color-blind.’
I remember Al Gore’s website when running for president in 2000. He had a pull-down list at the left that read something like: “Pick Your Group.” The expanded list then included such groups as African-American, Hispanic/Latino, Gay/Lesbian, Women, etc. Again, what happened to being ‘color-blind?’
So really, Martin Luther King Jr.’s fight really belongs with the conservative movement, not with the liberal democrats.
Don’t think so? Then just look at the track record: Lincoln (a Rebublican) risked everything to abolish slavery. Conservatives, just like MLK, believe in the sanctity of this country’s founding documents.
Additionally, it was the Southern Democrats (Al Gore’s father was one) who fiercely fought the passage of the Civil Right’s Act.
And today the Clintons have made race an issue in order to mobilize the white liberal vote against this country’s first serious black candidate for presidient.
Some people, just cannot look past a person’s skin color and judge them on the content of their character. Call me utopian, but as a conservative I’m sticking with the teachings of Martin Luther King Jr.
Posted by: JC | January 27, 2008, 3:48 am 3:48 am
Good thing Michelle Obama never mentioned that Walter Mondale or Dick Gephardt won New Hamshire in ’84 and ’88. God knows what people might have accused her of.
I guess it hadn’t occurred to anyone that the South Carolina results that Bill Clinton mentioned just happen to be the only instances of a South Carolina primary winner, (who had also won additional primaries), who didn’t go on to win the nomination in the past two decades.
Posted by: thisisnutz | January 27, 2008, 3:49 am 3:49 am
Barack is the real deal. Any comparison to Jesse Jackson is sooo ridiculous. I appreciate that Bill is supporting Hillary and that he cares deeply about her and her candidacy but he is totally lacking in perspective and really needs to step away from this for that very reason.
Posted by: thepeoplechoose | January 27, 2008, 3:52 am 3:52 am
I don’t want to go back to the sleazy Clinton’s of the 90′s. Who can forget Hillary going on the “Today Show” and saying her husbands alledged affairs were a “right wing conspiracy”. Remember the Clinton’s broke every campaign promise, the Dems lost the house and senate during the mid-term elections for the first time in 40 years. Only after the Republicans took control did we see balanced budgets and welfare reform. Bill Clinton just signed off on it.
Posted by: Mike | January 27, 2008, 3:58 am 3:58 am
Listen up fellow Dems, the sooner you take this medicine the better:
1. The Hillary is the only hope, and I mean ONLY hope for us to take the White House and keep control of congress.
2. If we want McCain or God forbid Rudy in there in Jan 09, the best way to do that is to destroy the Democratic party during the primaries, turn it completely over to the extremists and get slaughtered in November.
There, I said it. Hillary Clinton (and even Bill, God help him) are the best thing we have going…and it ain’t all bad. They play hardball…sometimes a little unfair? Boo friggin whoo, GET OVER IT. Christ, what do you think Mitt or Rudy will throw at her? It’ll make Bill’s “uncomfortable” attacks seem like a massage.
Posted by: James | January 27, 2008, 4:04 am 4:04 am
I’m surprised Hillary didn’t cry after losing.
Posted by: Dean | January 27, 2008, 4:16 am 4:16 am
Dear James,
I agree that Hillary is our best candidate of the three. I unlike you like her, so no crying for me. Let me add some here too. Yes she knows how nasty the campaign gets after the primary. They the press started the attack in 1992 because she said she liked to work and couldn’t stay home making cookies. Even Michelle Obama defended her on this point. She can handle the job too. The other candidates stand pretty much the same on the issues, but aren’t strong enough at all to fight the republicans.
We need to stick together. For those who say they will stay home, I understand your disappointment but this is too important if you care about the issues and not the person. I personally find the attacks generated against here by the Press and the Rovian politics, which she faced. Do you care more for a popularity contest with “cute” guys or are you ready to fight for the issues we need?
Think of it as a murder trial where the facts show the defendant is guilty. Do you let him/her off even though you he is guilty because you like the defense lawyer better or do your civic duty?
The Press is wrong about Clinton. She is bright, has experience, gets along well with republican and democrat Senators and can get the work done.
This ain’t no beauty contest people, our country depends on you.
Think about Obama’s past be it what he himself put in his books, how he destroyed his past records, and his divisive racial church. The republicans won’t lay off, even if he figures out excuses for all the above.
Edwards? He’s been campaigning for 7 years and he just can’t win….as V.P. he was okay, but nobody will vote him in as President.
I received an email from Sen. Obama and he said all his negative attacks are just part of the process. Only problem is, he isn’t great without a teleprompter and doesn’t know the issue. He needs time to grow.
Posted by: Pamd | January 27, 2008, 4:26 am 4:26 am
Bubba`s acting like a used car dealer fighting over a good corner location than a former President of the United States trying to “help” Hill.
Posted by: JJGittes | January 27, 2008, 4:28 am 4:28 am
Gee, does this really surprise anyone about the democrats OR the clintons? Race-bating has been their mantra from at least the 60′s…
Posted by: Jim | January 27, 2008, 4:32 am 4:32 am
Remember a lot of what is written here is written by the ultra conservative Drugereport crowd. The same people who look upon Limbaugh, O’Reilly and Ann Coulter as genius.
Stick together and pick a candidate who really knows how the Congress and Washington works. They won’t roll over because someone says they want “hope” and “change”, that is just campaign rhetoric and the the guy can’t debate the issues because he doesn’t really understand them.
Posted by: Pam | January 27, 2008, 4:35 am 4:35 am
Barack is the USA’s only hope. Hillery is tired. She represents the past. American’s are scared what will happen if Bill becomes the First Husband. A major hurdle for Hillery: She reminds men of their ex-wife; and she reminds women of a weak wife unable to stand up to an adulterous husband. I proudly support Barack.
Posted by: Lawrence in the UK | January 27, 2008, 4:37 am 4:37 am
To win, at any cost. The mantra of Clinton supporters.
Rather than being ecstatic that the country’s youth is supporting one of their own, they would rather divide the country to retain power – for fear that a young black man can’t possibly win?
Are we that afraid of Republicans that we can no longer stand for anything?
These remarks by Bill Clinton are racist and an embarassment. Think of how you might respond had they been uttered by the Republican opposition.
I’d greatly appreciate if the baby boomers might stand aside and allow the youth to enjoy their moment in the sun – without painting their candidate as a “black man”.
I’m sorry we didn’t grow up in your horrific world – but we didn’t, and we don’t think that way.
And it’s very sad you feel it necessary to perpetuate these types of racist attitudes and remarks.
Clinton deserves the same treatment as Senator Lott for his gaffe about Thurmond.
Let’s not be duplistic or opportunistic.
Dare to dream, without the influence of hallucenoginics, for the sake of generations to come.
Or do you plan to leave a legacy of total destruction in your wake?
As our generation would so eloquently state their opposition: “Step off!”
Posted by: Kara McLaughlin | January 27, 2008, 4:39 am 4:39 am
Get a Clue
Hillary is not Bill Clinton
Why Refer to Jesse Jackson why not another Democratic Candidate that won South Carolina?
Some Americas not all Americas need to wake up from this Crayola assessment of political candidates. The Crayola mindset has no substance, It does not deal with issues of this country and should not be the basis for which to pick a President to represent the United States.
Get involved in the poltical process beyond the voting both of Primaries and read and analyze bills before they are submitted to Congress.
We need a Domestic President with a Global Vision and that is Barrack Obama.
Posted by: Keith | January 27, 2008, 4:45 am 4:45 am
I am really upset at Bill Clinton’s behavior.
American tradition is that ex President’s stay above the fray. With his wife running, I can almost understand President Clinton dipping his toe into the fray, “if” indeed he were commenting purely on positions and taking the side of his wife.
What do we have instead. We have an ex President using inflammatory language like “fairy tale” and something that really upsets me is the racial baiting with the blacks vote for blacks and Jesse Jackson comment. I honestly feel this type of behavior is very dangerous in our democracy. While I think the Caroline Kennedy endorsement is motivated by Obama’s leadership skills, I think the timing is motivated by Kennedy’s concern over Clintons behavior.
The only positive for me in Clinton actions is that he has assured that I will vote…. for Obama
Posted by: John | January 27, 2008, 4:50 am 4:50 am
Hillary Clinton is a fairly smart politician. So is Barack Obama. Both are brain-dead socialists who’ll give us $10.00/gal gasoline, dbl digit inflation, dbl digit unemployment and a very bad recession if they get their way.
Posted by: jp | January 27, 2008, 4:56 am 4:56 am
To equate Barack with Jesse Jackson, what a vicious insult!
Posted by: Thomas Shawn | January 27, 2008, 4:59 am 4:59 am
A little history lesson for you all:
If you don’t know the answers make your best guess. Answer all the questions before looking at the real answers below. WHO SAID IT?
1) “We’re going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.”
A. Karl Marx
B. Adolph Hitler
C. Joseph Stalin
D. None of the above
2) “It’s time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the few, by the few, and for the few… and to replace it with shared responsibility for shared prosperity.”
A. Lenin
B. Mussolini
C. Idi Amin
D. None of the Above
3) “(We)…can’t just let business as usual go on, and that means something has to be taken away from some people.”
A. Nikita Khrushev
B. Josef Goebbels
C. Boris Yeltsin
D. None of the above
4) “We have to build a political consensus and that requires people to give up a little bit of their own…in order to create this common ground.”
A. Mao Tse Dung
B. Hugo Chavez
C. Kim Jong Il
D. None of the above
5) “I certainly think the free-market has failed.”
A. Karl Marx
B. Lenin
C. Molotov
D. None of the above
6) “I think it’s time to send a clear message to what has become the most profitable sector in (the) entire economy that they are being watched.”
A. Pinochet
B. Milosevic
C. Saddam Hussein
D. None of the above
Answers:
(1) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton on 6/29/04
(2) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton on 5/29/07
(3) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton on 6/4/07
(4) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton on 6/4/07
(5) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton on 6/4/07
(6) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton on 9/2/05
BE AFRAID… BE VERY, VERY AFRAID!
Posted by: schoolbus | January 27, 2008, 5:01 am 5:01 am
BILL CLINTON KILLS ME. HE SAYS OK, I;LL BE QUIET. I’LL STOP BRINGING UP RACE. THEN HE BRINGS UP JESSIE JACKSON. HILERIOUS. LOL. BILL KNOWS THAT THE ONLY WAY HILLARY CAN WIN IS TO TURN THIS INTO A RACE WAR. WONT WORK THOUGH. IOWA WAS ALL WHITE, OBAMA WAS EXPECTED TO ONLY GET 10 PERCENT OF THE WHITE VOTE IN SOUTH CAROLINA, HE GOT 25, AND OBAMA EVEN WON AMONG WOMEN. HILLARY IS TOAST. LOL
Posted by: robert hunter | January 27, 2008, 5:16 am 5:16 am
Do people not remember when this joke of a former President stood up before the entire American nation… and blatantly LIED to us?
For Christ’s sake, BJ stood there shaking his finger into the camera with that “how dare you not believe me” demeanor, as he LIED directly to the American People!
Honestly, I really don’t care if he did cheat on his wife… but the fact of the matter is this: The President of the United States of America, The Leader of the free world, LIED, to all of us, under oath. The fact that he LIED about anything at all, even the color of the socks he’s got on, should ruin any shred of credibility that this guy ever had.
Yet, here we go again. We get the pleasure of constantly viewing these two blowhards on TV, in the news, and on the internet spewing more Hot Air! These two are a god damn JOKE!
Who is running for the White House here anyway? Bill or Hillary? I hear more out of him than I do from her! If she suddenly falls ill before a debate, are they going to let him stand in for her?
Is he going to be her Vice President?
This nation needs some serious help!
BE AFRAID, BE VERY, VERY AFRAID!
Posted by: schoolbus | January 27, 2008, 5:17 am 5:17 am
Be careful what you wish for – you just might get it! Change for change sake isn’t always a good thing. This is about race…this election is about the safety and well-being of our nation. I have nothing against electing a black president or a female president but I don’t want a socialist president. What’s the difference between Obama and Clinton? Just the spelling, my friends….
Posted by: Nancy | January 27, 2008, 5:23 am 5:23 am
Correction to my previous post – I meant to type: “This ISN’T about race! (nor gender for that matter)”…sorry!!!
Posted by: Nancy | January 27, 2008, 5:25 am 5:25 am
Up until this caucus my vote was with the Clintons. Due to the negativity have turned to Obama. Am looking for a thriver more than a survivor. We need vision and unity in this country like never before and believe we are going to get it.
Posted by: Richard McKusic, Sr. | January 27, 2008, 5:39 am 5:39 am
All I have to say is that there is no real difference between obama, clinton, mccain, romney, paul… Only marketing. My life has never change because of who is in office. Has yours?
Posted by: punkin | January 27, 2008, 5:47 am 5:47 am
The media is talking about this for ratings. The media is saying Bill Clinton cause Hillary to lose votes over the past few day in SC. That’s not true at all! 83% of blacks voted for Obama in Nevada. The SC black votes was expected. In fact, Hillary gained black support in South Carolina. But, the media doesn’t mention that!
Nevada:
Vote by Race: African-American
Hillary: 14%
Obama: 83%
South Carolina:
Vote by Race: African-American
Hillary: 19%
Obama: 78%
Also, Before Iowa, the media was saying that if he won Iowa that blacks would flock to Obama because they would feel he had a chance of winning the nomination. The fact that blacks flocked to Obama is no surprise at all. It was expected. The whole race talk is made up by the media for ratings. That’s all it comes down to. Ratings.
Look at the facts. This is all about ratings. The race talk gives this website more hits (more money from the ads), it sells magazines, it gives cable TV shows ratings. The media is creating drama for their own benefit.
Posted by: VenturaGuy | January 27, 2008, 5:52 am 5:52 am
Bill Clinton has jumped the shark on this one. That single statement will ruin Hillary’s campaign. Playing on white fears by comparing Obama to a divisive figure like Jessie Jackson, was not unintended. There is no such thing as an ‘off the cuff’ remark by the Clintons. They calculate every syllable. Sad sad sad.
Posted by: nealae | January 27, 2008, 5:54 am 5:54 am
You guys go on and bicker. I’ll tell you what will happen. If Hill is nominated, a republican will win the White House. If you nominate Obama, you may have a chance. Stop assuming that you know how conservatives think.
Posted by: shortstance | January 27, 2008, 6:21 am 6:21 am
Why did Bill Clinton wait until the voters of South Carolina voted to make his point about Jesse Jackson and Jesse Jackson? From what I understand, the Jesse Jackson family household is divided in their choice for the democratic primary, with Jesse and his son the congressman being in favor of Obama, and Mrs Jackson preferring Hillary. One thing we can now say for sure is that Bill has caused hHillary her vote, and God only knows how many more. But Bill is a calculated conniving racist who hopes to gain votes from racist white democrats who far outnumbers the blacks who will vote against his wife because of such statements. I never was one to call him the “first black president”. Tom Delay correctly said recently that Bill Clinton pushed the republlican agenda, by putting into law 90percent of the republican contract with america program. If he makes it back to the white house, we’ll indeed get what we deserve.
Posted by: Julio | January 27, 2008, 6:23 am 6:23 am
LL, once again you seem to consider valid opinions as “invalid”,this reinforces my previous contention that it is you who are the fascist.
Thank heavens for the net, it allows open debate to counter the speech controlling types such as yourself & allows other readers a view into your controlling nature.
Posted by: Dave | January 27, 2008, 6:23 am 6:23 am
And So It Begins
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Posted by: Below The Beltway | January 27, 2008, 6:23 am 6:23 am
Months ago, I was hoping that Colin Powell would step forward. Black brown pink or yellow, I could respect him and felt that he would have a balanced view on national security and the place of our military in the big picture, and I felt that his experience was real and that age had brought him wisdom. I like to see a furrowed brow that shows someone has lived long enough in the turmoil to have a wide-screen perspective and a firsthand knowledge of consequences. He is not a light-weight.
I can’t think of any of the front-runners (Repub or Dem) that couldn’t be taken apart in the November election. I like each a little bit for different reasons—wish we could come up with a composite President from both parties.
In regard to race being brought up in the Demo campaign, I was pleased that it wasn’t an issue—–until Oprah inserted herself for what I felt to be support based on race. I just wish she hadn’t done that—because after that we were off at a gallop to big trouble. We should not break down according to racial lines—-but rather values and issues and concrete, well laid out plans for the future. On both sides, we need clarity and specificity.
I think Oprah, God love her, pre-empted Bill in the injection of racial allegiances in the campaign. Of course, it would have eventually reared its head somehow, but so much better later than now, when issues and plans need to be discussed and outlined.
Posted by: Zelda | January 27, 2008, 6:31 am 6:31 am
The best government is one that is in gridlock. Why was most of Clinton’s years far better for this country than Bush’s years? It’s because one party controlled the white house, and the other controlled Congress. So, the two acted as checks and balance to each other. We didn’t move overly liberal or overly conservative during the Clinton years. Why hasn’t Bush been so destructive the last couple years? The Dem-controlled Congress has been keeping him in check. Likewise, he keeps the ultra liberal-led Congress in check.
Don’t give the Dems the presidency and both houses of Congress. We’ll be stuck with another four painful years of reckless spending. So, best to keep the government in gridlock.
Posted by: TJ | January 27, 2008, 6:34 am 6:34 am
What did Oprah say that could even remotely be miscontrued as being racist? Is there a difference between what she said about Mr Obama than what Caroline Kennedy Kennedy said? As far as I can see that both say that for the first time in their life they are “inspired” by a presidential candidate.
Posted by: Julio | January 27, 2008, 6:38 am 6:38 am
After reading these comments, my position has been reinforced. Liberals have a serious problem. Realistically neither of these two shallow, power seeking socialists have a prayer against Romney, McCain, Rudy, etc.
Posted by: boojumsnark | January 27, 2008, 6:44 am 6:44 am
Bill Clinton learned his hateful style of campaigning from Dick Morris . . . a man far sleazier and detrimental to the political process than even Lee Atwater or Karl Rove.
What intrigues me is the way the traditional media is so willing to be manipulated by him and anxious to only cover the polls and the hoarse race
Posted by: max frost 70 | January 27, 2008, 6:52 am 6:52 am
The Democrats are devouring their own! This is great to observe. What a ride!
Posted by: KansasGirl` | January 27, 2008, 6:54 am 6:54 am
NOT HAPPY, luckily we have a congress who would limit any draconian types of reparations coming from the Black radicals which would inevitably surface once Obama got elected.
But it’s a moot point anyway, our dollar/economy/banking system has already collapsed – we just don’t know it yet.
Posted by: Dave | January 27, 2008, 6:55 am 6:55 am
The statement: “”Jesse Jackson won South Carolina in ’84 and ’88. Jackson ran a good campaign. And Obama ran a good campaign here.” does NOT factor into the adline “Bubba: Obama Is Just Like Jesse Jackson” This is very dishonest reporting — or rather editing, since it’s generally not reporters who write the heds. Sadly, a lot of people read the headlines and not the stories. The person at ABC who wrote this headline deserves to be sacked.
Posted by: bobbie wickham | January 27, 2008, 7:01 am 7:01 am
That’s right, keep buying into the garbage people. Don’t think for yourselves. Believe what the tv tells you. Fight against yourselves, call it race, call it wealth, just keep fighting. Pretend that this election will change anything. Pull out your hate speech and joust each other. At the end of the day they have you doing exactly as they wished.
When will you wake up America?
Posted by: It Doesn't Matter | January 27, 2008, 7:11 am 7:11 am
What a choice. A scheming Screech Owl, with a liar for a Husband, or an empty suit who doesn’t have a clue.
Posted by: Kenneth Bauman | January 27, 2008, 7:19 am 7:19 am
aida: I noticed all the blacks behind Hillary, as well. When will blacks stop letting themselves be manipulated by the Democrats? Black people have been used and betrayed by Democrat power mongers (black and white) for four decades.
Posted by: regis49 | January 27, 2008, 7:43 am 7:43 am
I cannot believe that people are just starting to see that the Clintons are the biggest phonies going. They have been doing this kind of behavior since Bill was elected. He, for one, is an angry man who has a short temper. It’s fact. She will do anything to be in the White House. I think the media is giving Obama a free pass. They have yet to say anything negative about him at all. Of course the media has said nothing but negative views on the Republican candidates. As far as the Clintons, is another person going to die on their campaign? During his presidency, how many people “died” when they were going to come out and say negative things about him? Maybe we should be investigating the Clintons more.
Posted by: Nick | January 27, 2008, 7:51 am 7:51 am
If Obama wins – that is reparation as far as I am concerned. Over! Done with! even steven!
Posted by: Donald | January 27, 2008, 7:55 am 7:55 am
Great comments above. Do people not remember the sleeze of Clinton, Inc. in the 90′s? I am a conservative rooting for Obama to get the Dem nomination because he is a stand up guy and taking on “bookends”…Slick Willie and Comrade Hillary at the same time.
Posted by: Cleveland Steamer | January 27, 2008, 8:05 am 8:05 am
My father told of how well we treated German prisoners of war when he was at Camp Swift, Texas, in WWII. Torture of prisoners has now ensured that I am a Republican for Obama.
Posted by: CD | January 27, 2008, 8:13 am 8:13 am
Seems to be that trough the votes of black and white people in South Carolina Dr. Martin Luther King won withought the help of any seating President.This time the victory was his.
Posted by: Martha | January 27, 2008, 8:15 am 8:15 am
Clinton is just doing what he’s always done. Only he’s focusing inward these days. A little-OK, a lot of tribal infighting between the Dems? Love it.
Posted by: Charles Westmoreland | January 27, 2008, 8:17 am 8:17 am
amazing the look of pride that comes over liberal democrats when they watch a black man achieve something as a (in their pov) result of their efforts to raise him up. a total alleviation of all guilt and depression (two traits permanently present in the liberal mind) is obvious, and for a moment they seem to forget that they are evikl white men. what a heart warming event
Posted by: rgandini | January 27, 2008, 8:19 am 8:19 am
As a Republican I would rather that Hillary had won SC and that she win her party’s nomination because she would be easier to beat than Obama. But truthfully if I were a Democrat, God forbid, I would have voted for Obama. I just can’t imagine anybody wanting 4 or 8 more years of divisiveness, lying, cheating, trailer park antics, and the bringing down of our country’s morals like the Clintons did in the 90′s. How could anyone in their right mind think that more of that behavior is good for our country or a way forward? Just looking at Hillary’s smirk on camera all the time says enough to me to say no. The only sane suggestion I could make to Democrats is just to think more and not to vote with emotion so much.
Posted by: NAVY JIM | January 27, 2008, 8:23 am 8:23 am
Obama’s win is the best news for Republican conservatives so far in this campaign cycle. But Democrats will come to their senses on the 5th.
Too bad, in a way. I’d prefer an easy win. But in politics, as is true in the rest of life, top-shelf competition ususally brings out one’s best.
Get ready John. You’ll soon be running against every middle-aged white male’s ex-wife. So you better review your map of Europe.
But, unlike African-Americans(12% of the population) and young people (busy blogging), or Frank, the homeless guy down on 3d Street (who doesn’t know what year it is)…. we vote.
Posted by: Ted | January 27, 2008, 8:23 am 8:23 am
it would and should be prudant to examine the amount of TAX money Mr.Clinton is using with secret service protection and transportation to parade around the country endorsing himself for another term or two under the pretence of support for his wife.election laws are being bent,if not broken and all americans are losing because of his arrogant choice to force himself on the good people who truly want to vote with a view of the real candidates.speak out.it is your turn. thank you.
Posted by: ron | January 27, 2008, 8:26 am 8:26 am
CD said: “They (you) are the ones going around the net spouting racially charged and sexist posts not the Democrats. Republicans know they can easily win against Obama. So, they’re trying to manipulate Democrats”
I think the Republicans are noticeably quiet about this whole situation. They understand that race is a Democrat issue. They have used it for decades. Most of their programs are so abhorrently “plantation mentality” that those being taken care of don’t even get it.
Clinton, a Democrat, invoked Jessie Jackson without urging. This is a double insult. One because he used him as an example of how any black man can win in South Carolina; and second because of the cartoon that Jackson has become. Either way it is a slap at the whole black community.
Posted by: Terry | January 27, 2008, 8:26 am 8:26 am
Hillary and Bill Clinton cannot be explained. They are both dishonest in all sense of the word. To put them in the White House together is to invite disaster. They will do anything to win–lie, cheat and steal. It is unbelievable to me that they can garner any support at all. If you think this country is divided now look at it if you put these two liars back in office. My God, I would feel sorry for the Union.
Posted by: Jefferson | January 27, 2008, 8:27 am 8:27 am
I wonder if Jesse is still praying for slick’s soul??
Posted by: John | January 27, 2008, 8:28 am 8:28 am
For all the complaining the Democrats have done I’m really surprised they haven’t come up with better candidates. Is that all you got? Hell, Kerry and Gore were better. I look at the Republicans and I see 3 or 4 who are better than anyone in the Democratic race. I’d like to see us out of Iraq NOW! but I can’t see puttin the country back into the Clintons hands. It was his ‘peace dividend’ and slashing our defence that got us 9/11. And don’t give us the holier than thou attitude. JFK and LBJ got us into Vietnam which cost us 50,000. If you want a doer, put a guy in who has DONE something. Mitt Romney.
Posted by: Bilbo | January 27, 2008, 8:29 am 8:29 am
Seems to be that through the votes of black and white people, in South Carolina Dr. Martin Luther King put to rest the discussion of his place in History.
Posted by: Martha | January 27, 2008, 8:30 am 8:30 am
We need Hillary in the White in order for the USA to fall so far down we can than rise up and with all the viciousness we can muster obliterate the far left and progressives. Whoo Yeah
Posted by: Adealia Artist | January 27, 2008, 8:31 am 8:31 am
It’s issues, not what sex or what color one is!
To Democrats and Republicans, press your candidate on how they stand on closing the borders, strict enforcement of our immigration laws.
Ask what they think of continuing to bring in millions of foreigners as guest workers or new Visa workers…all which take jobs from us.
Ask them their stance on trade deals and why US citizen’s tax dollars are given away in obscene amounts, to foreign countries that never reform!
Ask them where they stand on the North American Union and Super highway plans.
Ask them why they are allowing sovereign wealth countries, like China, to buy up our assets.
Come on people, it’s not race, nor sex, it’s issues!!!
Posted by: Bobc | January 27, 2008, 8:33 am 8:33 am
I would rather hear and read the entire
question and comment, I have had enough of the media spin on what was said.
But the fact is Jesse Jackson did win South Carolina because of the black vote, Obama won last night because of the black vote, this isn’t a no brainer. 80+% of the black vote went to Obama while 76% of the white vote voted for someone else. This was a racially charged race promoted by the media and the obama campaign and his supporters, obama has become the “black candidate.” That was also evident in Nevada.
Set that a side Obama has shown himself not to have the substinate background to hold the highest office in the country. He turned into a whiner and weak and allowed himself to be defeated in the general if he were nominated. His campaign has been very divisive that includes the wickedness of his supporters, which has completely turned me off to the point, I would never vote for him. His rezko relationship is only coming to the surface and it is time that the media outside of the Chicago Sun Times do some substantial investigation and reporting so the electorate knows what it is getting into, before the right-wing does.
Posted by: Sarah | January 27, 2008, 8:34 am 8:34 am
Bush lied and people died? hmmmm no.
I think saying “Al Quaeda flied and people died” gets you closer to the pin.
Posted by: Tony in Carmel, NY | January 27, 2008, 8:37 am 8:37 am
“If you want a doer, but a guy in who’s done something. Mitt Romney.”
Wow, as a resident of MA, I couldn’t be in more disagreement. He didn’t do anything about Big Dig finance or management reform which resulted in the tunnel leaks and the roof collapse, he didn’t do anything for the last year and a half of his governership because he was running his presidential campaign in other states, he constantly derided the citizens, referring to MA as somewhat of a liberal burden when he was the governor. I couldn’t see him as more of a do nothing; a shifty politician whose only agenda is to become president, not to make any significant difference. You want a do something, pick any of the following: Obama, Clinton, McCain, Ron Paul… I think there’s a good field this year, but Romney is an absolutely atrocious candidate.
Posted by: Tim | January 27, 2008, 8:38 am 8:38 am
All the talk from the Democrats about being the party of diversity seems a little silly at this point. They use race when they need to, sometimes to divide the party and sometimes to unite the party. Meanwhile, Bush has put more minority people in high ranking jobs than any President in history.
Posted by: rb | January 27, 2008, 8:40 am 8:40 am
The fact is, the Democratic primaries have evolved into a choice between returning to the lies and corruption that defined the Clinton regime for 8 years (reminder people, the Clinton Administration had more scandal, indictments, resignations and corruption than ANY other presidency in history, even over and above the hated Nixon Administration), or choosing a new approach, a fresh face, someone who appeals to, and challenges Americans to think positively and to work together to solve the problems this Nation faces. It doesn’t take rocket science to see that the two grifters from Arkansas who spouted off that whole saying about ‘the politics of personal destruction’ are the prime practitioners of that very tactic. While smiling and claiming that they ‘only want what’s best for us’, they slash and burn any and every person or entity that opposes them, and it isn’t at all altruistic, their objective is but one: regaining and *expanding* their own personal political power. If Americans are blind and stupid enough to select the Clintons to once again sully our honor and disgrace us with their crass and vile behavior, then we are ALL the losers, from sea to shining sea.
Posted by: Marc McIntosh | January 27, 2008, 8:41 am 8:41 am
The Clinton race-baiting of Barack Obama
The only thing worse then an actual racist (who suffers a serious mental or cultural disorder) are those who cynically and delibrately encourage this worst of all human failings to gain a political advantage.
Shame on you Bill Clinton and shame on Hillary who plays the Cheshire cat.
Matt Thomas
Posted by: Matt Thomas | January 27, 2008, 8:49 am 8:49 am
The media hate the clinton’s and actually call them “liars” why no one dared to call george bush a liar for anything he has done in the past 8 years, May I ask one question, what did clinton say that was not true. And I dont see obama at any white churches speaking, he is all to eager to play the unwitting victim in all this, he love it. and you people are eating it up by the spoonful. people get so caught up by a great speach, kinda reminds you of the nationalism swept on us after 9/11. just tell me how hope will put gas in your car, how hope will pay for health insurance, obama is all rhetoric and no substance.
Posted by: alan | January 27, 2008, 8:50 am 8:50 am
Someone mentioned prisoners of war on this blog. The way we treat prisoners is a picnic compared to the vile and taped executions,including beheadings, of men and women by islamofacists. Any such comparison displays how much ignorance is floating around. This is Jan. 27, do we really need until election day for that to sink in? Hillary has no, no experience. Wanting things and having beliefs doesn’t count. If the majority of woman vote for her because she’s a woman, then women should have their right to vote taken away. I would vote for Condolesa Rice in a heartbeat. She’s a real woman and has real qualifications
Women in this country are making them-
selves look really, really bad.
Posted by: John | January 27, 2008, 8:52 am 8:52 am
Mr.Cobb said : ” You want a do something, pick any of the following: Obama, Clinton, McCain, Ron Paul… I think there’s a good field this year, but Romney is an absolutely atrocious candidate.
Obama-litte to no Experience.
Clinton-can you say CROOK??!!!!
McCain-a liberal Republican
Ron Paul- who’s he???
WHILE THE CLINTONS DID NOTHING FOR
NOTHING FOR EIGHT YEARS AL QAEDA PLANNED 911 !!!!!!
Posted by: Mr.Smith | January 27, 2008, 8:52 am 8:52 am
I just can’t imagine that democrats can get either of these clowns elected. Hillary is a loser and anyone who thinks the novelty of a socialist, isolationist Obama won’t wear off long before the general election is sadly mistaken.
Posted by: Lynn Brant | January 27, 2008, 8:53 am 8:53 am
Are you tired of your tax dollars going to foreign countries, that never reform to help their own people?
Obama has already said he will give MORE in foreign aid, as poverty is the cause of terrorism!!!
Funny he doesn’t know, those on 9/11 were all from rich families.
How long are we going to continue to lose jobs and tax dollars, while politicians kowtow to special interst groups?
B.Clinton had NAFTA, Bush, CAFTA….we have to get candidates on record as to where they stand on illegal immigration, trade deals, foreign aid, etc..
Posted by: Bobc | January 27, 2008, 8:53 am 8:53 am
No, Obama isn’t like Jesse Jackson. Clinton got that wrong. Obama is more like Jimmy Carter, but without the executive branch experience. He’s doing the same thing Carter did. Smile a lot, act ‘christian’, say we need to ‘listen to the world’, but don’t share much in terms of real answers to current issues.
Has the Democratic Party fallen so much that the best they can offer is two people with no executive branch experience, no business experience, and no real feeling that America needs to LEAD and not FOLLOW the urgings of a U.N. and Europe that blames America first?
As long as John McCain is not the Republican nominee, both Clinton and Obama will be curious footnotes of discussion during future presidential campaigns.
Posted by: Chris Keating | January 27, 2008, 8:54 am 8:54 am
Wasn,t there a movie out a few years back about the Clintons?I believe it was titled “The Grifters”They sure are fun to watch.They prove everyday the old chestnut,”you can fool some of the people, all of the time”
Posted by: Tom Mulhearn | January 27, 2008, 8:54 am 8:54 am
I am wondering why people are minimizing the excitement that Jesse Jackson brought to the Democrats in 1984 and 1988 campaigns. For the Democrats, he was really the sole reason why more blacks sided with the Democratic party. He is a dynamic speaker that talked “hope” (keep hope alive) that appears to be the mantra that Jesse is making. I think people want to diminish Jesse’s appeal so much (especially by Republicans) that if anybody makes a comparison to him, it is race baiting.
Jesse still has global appeal. He built the Rainbow Coalition and has helped in many areas and he just so happens to be a black man. Many of your supporters Brazile, Ron Brown, got their start because of Jesse. Just like Obama is getting more youth, blacks, and others to get in the electoral process. It should be celebrated that two Illinois men have that effect. Not just a dis to the old which is apparently is being done by people.
Posted by: interesting | January 27, 2008, 8:55 am 8:55 am
Affirmative Action is needed here! The Clintons should show the world they really do believe in affirmative action and insist that any vote for Obama should count as 2 votes.
Posted by: MIke | January 27, 2008, 8:57 am 8:57 am
Anyone but Hillary in 2008.
Posted by: Mike | January 27, 2008, 8:59 am 8:59 am
For the life of me I can no understand why anyone would want to see the Clintons return to the White House. The left the scene of the crime! Why would someone want them back? They made us the laughing stock of the world. We lost respect and because of their agressive budgetary agenda they depleated the ranks of government and military and then sit back and point fingers at others. THEY were responsible for what we are putting up with today. These people divided this nation. We can not let this happen again.
Posted by: Stevd | January 27, 2008, 8:59 am 8:59 am
It makes no difference which puppet gets in office.
The empire is finished…….
It was a fun ( and destructive) century.
It’s over now…..
Posted by: Blammo | January 27, 2008, 9:00 am 9:00 am
What a joke.I am highly amused at liberal indignation over the Clinton attack machine. When they used these EXACT same tactics against Republican opponents they were not only lauded for it but the press swooned over their political savvy. Oh and by the way, as soon as they start doing the EXACT same thing against their Republican opponent in the general election all their sleazy tactics will be fawned over again. When they are caught red-handed they will whine and whimper about being tormented by “the politics of personal destruction” at which point their lap dogs in the press will readily agree. Why doesn’t Hillary step aside and defer to Obama? I thought the Clintons supported affirmative action. I know they do when minorities are moved to the head of the line at the workplace or at our colleges,but ofcourse just as they send there own children to elite private schools while keeping ours trapped in public wastelands, they also plan on being complete hypocrites when It comes to affirmative action.
Posted by: greg collins | January 27, 2008, 9:00 am 9:00 am
Obama is a no term senator from Illinois. In national arena he has done nothing and as a senator has done nothing noteworthy other than talk.
Democrats have a track record of picking losers. They are as much to blame for the 8 years of George Bush as the Republicans. And talk about disinfranchising voters, the democrats want to decide that Florida and Michigan don’t get to have a say? What is that all about. They seem to find new ways to screw up what people would see as sure win situations!
As for the race card, Bill Clinton has pointed out that Obama won an election that was primarily Black. If that fact is racial, the media is getting a little carried away with fueling the race card.
Posted by: Bob From Illinois | January 27, 2008, 9:01 am 9:01 am
I see it must be easier to dwell on race relations than on the issues here!
Posted by: Bobc | January 27, 2008, 9:03 am 9:03 am
Jesse Jackson is a crook, never held a real job, nor has he ever been elected to any position.If blacks want this type of leadership then they deserve to stay at the bottom and wallow in their own stupidity.
Posted by: cotton | January 27, 2008, 9:03 am 9:03 am
the clinton presidency had much scandal but it was scandal about who clinton was having sex with, not anything of importance, just propoganda. maybe people now dont like the way bill is talking, but remeber he had the second highest approval rating of any president when leaving office, and his approval rating was very high during the worst of the lewinsky propoganda. that being said, obama has my support, but i think the media has already decided hillary will not be president.
Posted by: aa | January 27, 2008, 9:05 am 9:05 am
If you want open borders;
Higher taxes;
An attempt to turn healthcare over to the Government;
Little protection from the war on terror;
Liberal judges appointed;
Vote for any Democrat.
If you want the opposite vote for any Republican.
Pretty simple.
Posted by: rb | January 27, 2008, 9:06 am 9:06 am
the clinton presidency had much scandal but it was scandal about who clinton was having sex with, not anything of importance, just propoganda. maybe people now dont like the way bill is talking, but remeber he had the second highest approval rating of any president when leaving office, and his approval rating was very high during the worst of the lewinsky propoganda. that being said, obama has my support, but i think the media has already decided hillary will not be president.
Posted by: aa | January 27, 2008, 9:06 am 9:06 am
In reference to Alan’s comments, nothing
Bill Clinton says is true. Bush lied about what? Do you and other liberals really believe that under all of this extreme media scrutiny we have today, and with all of the democrats waiting for the President to trip up, that if the President actually lied or broke
the law they wouldn’t have his head? There’s nothing there. What liberals need to understand is that having a
different philospophy or politial be-
lief is not a crime. There are many,
many hostile liberals in both houses
and enough spineless democrats to have
gotten rid of the President if they
really, really had something. Bush did
what he had to do to protect us and you
just don’t like it. How has what he did
altered your daily life? What sacrif-
ices have you made? Bill CLinton comm-
itted perjury. I would say that’s a lie.
Posted by: John | January 27, 2008, 9:06 am 9:06 am
The Clintons will say anything to be elected. Once again, Bill has made a calculated statement designed to make everyone think Obama is some radical, like Jackson. How much of this has to happen before everyone wakes up? Hillary Clinton is out for Hillary Clinton. She doesn’t care about anything but power. She has accomplished nothing positive in those 16 years she likes to talk about, yet she continues to talk about her experience! Wake up! The last thing we need is for the office of President to be disgraced in the way Bill did. Thee recent comments prove that the Clintons are not going to change.
Posted by: Buzz5 | January 27, 2008, 9:06 am 9:06 am
Race has no place in our world, unless you are a talentless black rapper, an editor of a liberal news agency, or a Clinton.
Posted by: John Waynesworld | January 27, 2008, 9:06 am 9:06 am
Why is even after the attacks of 9/11, are we still trying to look at RACE.
We are all AMERICANS.
The media is doing an psych job on us all with this race reporting. Everything is blacks voted for Obama. In the same breath they are NOT saying.
SO DO WHITES – in NH and IOWA and in NEVADA.
People that are more progressive – those who have gotten past the Black vs White thing. Know that OBAMA will make a great President.
He is a true Stateman and will bring PRIDE back to AMERICA.
An articualte, intelligent, charimastic, HONEST, and knowledgeable candidate.
If Caroline Kennedy can ENDORSE him so can I!
Posted by: Traci W | January 27, 2008, 9:07 am 9:07 am
rb is right. republicans have destroyed the economy, made america much more hated around the world, and 50 million have no health care. vote democratic, although it wont make much difference either way.
Posted by: br | January 27, 2008, 9:08 am 9:08 am
The longer this goes on, the more I agree with South Carolina…the gimmicks used by the Clinton’s are not only unappealing, but they are destructive to the party and to my perception of our former president. I wonder if Bill realizes (and I suspect he does as he realizes almost everything) that he is effectively tarnishing his own legacy for a chance to re-live the white house. There are only two people on the planet that can benefit from that. I am beginning to agree with republicans on at least one point. I wish the Clintons would just go away. To anyone who thinks that these comments were innocent, they should remind themselves that the Clintons have been supremely successful in life precisely because they know so well how to use words. I am not that careless, and I am certain President Clinton is more intelligent than me.
Posted by: Ryan | January 27, 2008, 9:10 am 9:10 am
br….you better research your facts about the Republicans destroying the economy…nothing could be farther from the truth.
Posted by: gigi | January 27, 2008, 9:11 am 9:11 am
If we cannot get along now, I sure would hate to see what happens if Aliens were to show up from another world and they happen to look like us! LoL
Posted by: CBH | January 27, 2008, 9:14 am 9:14 am
If we haven’t noticed the U.S. has major problems.
But the media wants to turn this all into “info-tainment”.
While we get non-stop coverage of Britney Spears, Nicole Richie, Lindsay Lohan going to jail or even worse – going out at night without panties on.
We know more about Britneys Bi-polar events than any of us know about our ECONOMY, The unconstitutional decisions made by this administration to go to war.
A undeclared war – that has cost us
$9 Trillion Dollars
Posted by: Traci | January 27, 2008, 9:16 am 9:16 am
GC you are so WRONG:
OBAMA goes to a Protestant Church.
He is not islamic – would you prefer him to have the name Henry or Fred or Sam, how about SCOOTER!
Posted by: HRPeoplePerson | January 27, 2008, 9:18 am 9:18 am
reminds me of a bumper sticker the other day…
“Monica Lewinski’s EX-Boyfriend’s Wife for President “
Posted by: Bobbbb | January 27, 2008, 9:20 am 9:20 am
The Media is trying to make this a racial divide. Did you know Obama’s Mother is a White woman from Kansas! People don’t be fooled about the Clinton’s. They are willing to say and do anything to win! YES WE CAN!!,YES WE CAN! Support OBAMA
Posted by: Ed | January 27, 2008, 9:21 am 9:21 am
Traci
9 bill is pocket change to me if it means we are not attacked and continue to be safe.
Obama President ? Then we will be attacked and it will come from inside Washington. Be careful who you put in office.
Posted by: no panties | January 27, 2008, 9:22 am 9:22 am
Well folks
If the hill wins the presidency, god forbid!
Will bubba be the assistant president?
Will bubba be the associate vice-president
Will bubba be the vice-president?
Since bubba is already the president of vice with papers, will he be sleeping in the Lincoln bedroom on a permanent basis
While hill confers with her female “assistant”??
Think about it folks, the two for one didn’t work the first time–AND it looks even worse this time.
Just some thoughts to ponder
pmktwo
Posted by: pmktwo | January 27, 2008, 9:22 am 9:22 am
jerry you are WRONG:
“bill had his highest ranking black employee, the secretary…not the secretary of state”
Ron Brown was the Secretary of State during the Clinton Administration.
Posted by: Traci | January 27, 2008, 9:23 am 9:23 am
Every LAST one of you needs to turn off your TV’s (aka propaganda machines). Read some books, good political/historical ones, or go back to school.
Posted by: James | January 27, 2008, 9:23 am 9:23 am
I still find it funny that jsut a few posts ago someone mentioned how “progressive” they were. The Democratic Party is the party of diversity and progressivness, yet Bush appointed more minorities to higher posts than any President in history. Just look at what is going on in the Dem. party right now and tell me why they fool people in believing thet are diverse.
Posted by: rb | January 27, 2008, 9:24 am 9:24 am
If there is any doubt who is running for president in the Clinton family, South Carolina should put that question to bed.
Bill has done the strategy; Bill has done the talking; and Bill LOST.
Time for these two to move off the stage.
Clinton FATIGUE HAS SET IN — SET IN BIG TIME!!!!
Posted by: jack | January 27, 2008, 9:24 am 9:24 am
You can tax the rich…but then it is given to the people (for free) that don’t work….see the pattern.
keep digging that hole
Posted by: AC | January 27, 2008, 9:25 am 9:25 am
Ron Brown was NOT Sec. of State but was Sec. of Commerce.
Naturally, a Republican President has had the highest ranking Blacks in history with Colin Powell and Condi Rice….which falls right in line with the Republican history on this issue.
It’s clear that White Democrats in So. Carolina turned against Obama.
Posted by: Jennifer | January 27, 2008, 9:27 am 9:27 am
To Traci:
I am so sick of people like you telling lies about politicians. Obama is Christian. He is also just like you and me…he is American. I say that as an agnostic. Furthermore, I wish that Obama was a Muslim. Maybe then we could get someone in the white house with the personal experiences to end the atrocities of the middle east.
Posted by: Ryan | January 27, 2008, 9:28 am 9:28 am
Caroline Kennedy has endorsed Obama because she reminds him of her
father? Well, we all know what happened to him. If Obama gets the
nomination and you vote for him, be sure to check closing who his running mate is because he or she will most likely become President. Why is it that Obama is the only Presidential candidate, other than Hillary who gets it by the law, that has Secret Service protection. Could it be because of death threats to him already? Think about it.
Posted by: Pigeon | January 27, 2008, 9:30 am 9:30 am
No James YOU are wrong! Ron Brown was not Secretary of State. He was Secretary of Commerce until he was mysteriously killed in a plane crash.
Posted by: Steve | January 27, 2008, 9:31 am 9:31 am
9 bill is pocket change to me if it means we are not attacked and continue to be safe.
Obama President ? Then we will be attacked and it will come from inside Washington. Be careful who you put in office. {no panties}
it’s $9 TRILLION.
And we are being attacked. Economically.
Who is buying into the largest american banks and investment firms? – Saudi’s and the Prince from Dubai.
We owe China more money then we will ever be able to pay back.
They don’t have to set of a bomb, or fly another plane into a building.
They have figured out how to take out the financial sector. They can bring down Wall Street anytime they want to.
Just because we have not seen terroism of a violent nature. Economically, we are being destroyed.
If we weren’t busy trying to BUILD another COUNTRY (IRAQ), we could use that money to help build AMERICA.
I believe that Obama will be able to tell us all “like it really is”. NO SPIN. Be HONEST – for a CHANGE.
I do not want 4 more years of LYING -
Bill Clinton and EVIL HILLARY.
Do not elect “Hillary”
Posted by: Traci | January 27, 2008, 9:34 am 9:34 am
Clinton tactics in this race have been terrible…this loyal democrat will not vote for a clinton ever again….
Posted by: dave | January 27, 2008, 9:34 am 9:34 am
Liberals have kept the minorities down for years….keep giving them gov’t assistance in return for their vote. Don’t you see the pattern. The Dems/Libs are a poor person’s worst nightmare
Posted by: JJ | January 27, 2008, 9:35 am 9:35 am
It is time top reject the politics of fear and vote for the politics of hope. Listen to the young people of America. They represent the future of this country and they are solidly backing Sen. Obama!
Posted by: John Halterman | January 27, 2008, 9:35 am 9:35 am
If McCain can get enough of his party’s wingnuts to back him over Romney, it will be President McCain in November despite the immense unpopularity of the GOP nationwide. Independents think Hillary is vile, but I suspect they’d hold their noses and vote for her over the Ken Doll.
Posted by: B.L. | January 27, 2008, 9:37 am 9:37 am
I have no complaints with our merciary army,They are getting aot more money than i DID WHEN i WAS DRAFTED AGAIST MY WILL.But I do have complaints against Bush For not lifting a finger to stem the tide of Illegal immigration,For allowing the outsourceing ofTechnical and manufacturing jobs, The creation of Nafta,Cafta and the free unbalanced trade with China including their unfair monetory system.Yes,Mr. Bush hascaused the destruction of this countryfor which he should pay and pay and pay.
Posted by: ratdragon | January 27, 2008, 9:40 am 9:40 am
It wasn’t that long ago the Clinton machine was blasting Obama because he wasn’t well enough versed in “being down with the struggle”. Now he’s Jesse Jackson. I guess somewhere along the line Obama got his props and became black enough.
Posted by: cardiac | January 27, 2008, 9:45 am 9:45 am
You are right – Ron Brown was secretary of Commerce. I knew that there were high ranking officials in the Clinton administration that were Black – some person indicated that it was his secretary that held the highest office.
Next, In response to Obama’s religion.
I am responding to someone post that said he was “Islamic and took his oath with a koran”. I knew that was not true.
I never knew how bigotted and ignorant some people are until I read these blogs
Posted by: Traci, | January 27, 2008, 9:45 am 9:45 am
Mike…LOL The Obama’s have Law Degree’s for HARVARD! Not RDU
Posted by: Ed | January 27, 2008, 9:51 am 9:51 am
JJ – you said “The Dems/Libs are a poor person’s worst nightmare”.
Right now our worst nightmare – ALL of US AMERICANS.
is GW Bush and the republicans.
especially Bush. HE is a BIG FAT LIAR.
Posted by: Kim | January 27, 2008, 9:51 am 9:51 am
…Obama’s only a paaaaawn in there gaaaaaaame.
(in Dylan voice)
Posted by: Big Arnel Jackson | January 27, 2008, 9:52 am 9:52 am
Mike: You said his wife Michelle is “straight outta the hood”.
Michelle Obama has a Law degree from HARVARD.
what is hood about “Havard”?
Posted by: Traci | January 27, 2008, 9:55 am 9:55 am
Kim
I assume you will deny the $600-$1200 bucks W will give back to you in June for the sake of your argument. He is a big fat liar..cry baby !
Republicans= smaller gov’t and tax cuts
Dems = no military, more social services, and lots more taxes
Hillary and Obama have already stated their tax hikes
Posted by: outtathehood | January 27, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am
It seems Bill Clinton’s lack of self-control is causing some trouble again.
Posted by: Terry Bohannon | January 27, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am
smart,
sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder about harvard. If it is as bad as you claim, I cant for the life of me see why you even consider it a choice of universities for you. Go find someplace that will help grow your obvious talents.
Posted by: peace | January 27, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am
I love this talk about the “2 for 1″ deal. How is this a good thing???? Honestly, shouldn’t we question Hillary’s ability, or lack there of, to get this done on her own??? Why would anyone want a leader, that needs so much help from someone else to win the primary? What will happen when she is called to respond to the major issues that our country is facing? She has already said that Bill will not be making decisions with her. What if something happened to the former president and he couldn’t assist her? Where would this leave us? We would have elected someone that can not perform on their own. Is this what we really want???? We should be concentrating on electing our next LEADER… SINGULAR, not our next leader .. CODEPENDENT.
Posted by: Jay | January 27, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am
ottathehood: you said “I assume you will deny the $600-$1200 buckS”
This is a gov’t handout. gov’t welfare.
do we have the money in the budget to do this? No – where are we getting to money to give out $600? We are going to BORROW the money FROM THE CHINESE.
We don’t have any money. The US is BROKE.
Besides — you will need the $600 to buy Gasoline – it will be $4 a gallon by June.
Posted by: Kim | January 27, 2008, 10:03 am 10:03 am
The bickering between candidates needs to stop. I wouldn’t doubt that it is being fueled by the Right.
Obama and Clinton are flawed. So is every Republican candidate.
Half of America is afraid of a black candidate and the other half is afraid of a female candidate.
I think the last 8 years has shown that
the WASP Good Old Boy doesn’t work either. It is time for a change.
It cannot be any more messed up than it
already is. See through the BS.
Quit getting caught up in the moronic
tabloidesque (new word) commentary and
cast your vote for who you think would make the best president. Not for who is
black, white, male or female.
Just do it you wimps.
Posted by: Bill | January 27, 2008, 10:06 am 10:06 am
CraigCobb: you have issues to.
would you prefer that he hold his hands on his hips?
This is ridiculous. When is the last time you said the “pledge of alligiance”?
We won’t even let our kids say “God” at school anymore, and you are worried about where he put his hands – as he stood there respectfully.
How ignorant!
Posted by: Kim | January 27, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am
Kim
where are we getting the money from to supply this nation with social services..you know the people that won’t get off their ass and work for a living.
Yes, I will take the $600(1200 in my case)and put it in my gas guzzling Tahoe. It’s my contribution to help the US and global economy and keep the world moving. I will take some of that money and use it in my boat too !
Posted by: jj | January 27, 2008, 10:09 am 10:09 am
outathehood -
if republicans=smaller gov’t why has bush 2 increased the size of the gov’t more than any pres in history? you know nothing. it is obvious.
peace – i think your refering to someone else’s post. mine was about bill vs georg’s drug habits.
Posted by: smart | January 27, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am
does wnning the SC DEM primary in Jan 08 mean you would win the Presidental Vote in Nov 08? Before Obama celebrates – maybe he wants to see how many primary votes went to the republicians the week before.. b/c none of those votes are going to him.. Obama’s fairy tale republicians are not going to materialize out of thin air..
Posted by: j2625 | January 27, 2008, 10:11 am 10:11 am
Never fear–McCain’s here—he’s the liberal Republican and he’ll satisfy most–at least enough to win the election–nuff said!!!
Posted by: C.L.D. | January 27, 2008, 10:12 am 10:12 am
voting, lol
Posted by: chuck | January 27, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am
Sadly..CLD’s comment is correct
Posted by: jj | January 27, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am
jj you are what is wrong with america. if it wasn’t for people like you we could be energy independent. you have no grasp on reality. i suggest you go to university.
Posted by: fools | January 27, 2008, 10:14 am 10:14 am
ottahood: you are not in touch with reality. The statics you quote SOUND good. But you can get arrested in the “hood” for looking at a cop funny.
You can get arrested – and you didn’t do the crime. Look at all the minority men and women released from jail after 20 years WHO NEVER DID THE CRIME.
So your little statistic does not validate anything.
CRIME IS NOT COLOR BLIND..ALL RACES Commit Crime. Scooter Libby was convicted — he NEVER made it to jail.
How about this one…do you think a poor minority woman would be able to keep her kids if she did the stuff Britney Spears is doing?
The first time she didn’t show up for court – she would have been put in jail.
Posted by: Kim | January 27, 2008, 10:14 am 10:14 am
Why is it that its okay for the media to spend weeks speculating if Obama can win all of the “black” vote. And to then announce on the day of the primaries that Obama won the “black” vote.
Yet when his opposition indicates they too realize he won due to the “black” vote…but that it is only one state….
suddenly that candidate is racist?
Posted by: Angelica | January 27, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am
jj: you said: “Yes, I will take the $600(1200 in my case)and put it in my gas guzzling Tahoe. It’s my contribution to help the US and global economy and keep the world moving. I will take some of that money and use it in my boat too !”
It’s a gov’t handout – it’s gov’t welfare. Money for nothing.
Why don’t you send it back?
We need the money to pay off the national debt!
If everyone sent their $1,200 back we could pay of some of the debt we owe CHINA. — but that ain’t gonna happen why? Cause EVERYBODY – want’s something for free….including YOU.
Posted by: Kim | January 27, 2008, 10:19 am 10:19 am
KIM SAID-
would you prefer that he hold his hands on his hips?
This is ridiculous. When is the last time you said the “pledge of alligiance”?
We won’t even let our kids say “God” at school anymore, and you are worried about where he put his hands – as he stood there respectfully.
How ignorant!
===========================
Kim, he is a United States Senator! He knows protocol when the US anthem is played. The reson he kept his hands in front of him was that he was speaking to an urban black audience and he knew they would like that slight against the country.
Posted by: Craig Cobb | January 27, 2008, 10:20 am 10:20 am
Probable U. S. presidential candidate, Barack
Hussein Obama was born in
Honolulu , Hawaii , to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a
black MUSLIM from
Nyangoma-Kogel , Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white
ATHIEST from Wichita , Kansas .
Obama’s parents met at the University of Hawaii .
When Obama was two years
old, his parents divorced. His father returned to
Kenya . His mother then
married Lolo Soetoro, a RADICAL Muslim from
Indonesia .
When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocated to
Indonesia . Obama
attended a MUSLIM school in Jakarta . He also spent
two years in a Catholic school.
Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he
is a Muslim. He is quick
to point out that, “He was once a Muslim, but that
he also attended Catholic school.”
Obama’s political handlers are attempting to make
it appear that Obama’s
introduction to Islam came via his father, and that
this influence was
temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama
returned to Kenya soon after the
divorce, and never again had any direct influence
over his son’s education.
Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama’s mother,
Ann Dunham, introduced
his stepson to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a
Wahabi school in Jakarta .
Wahabism is the RADICAL teaching that is followed
by the Muslim terrorists
who re now waging Jihad against the western world.
Since it is politically expedient to be a CHRISTIAN
when seeking Major
public office in the United States , Barack Hussein
Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt
to downplay his Muslim background.
Let us all remain alert concerning Obama’s expected
presidential candidacy.
The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the
US from the inside out,
what better way to start than at the highest level
- through the President of the United States , one of their own!!!!
ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into
office – he DID NOT use the
Holy Bible, but instead the Kuran (Their equivalent
to our Bible, but very different beliefs)
you want
this man leading our country?……NOT ME!!!
William H. Shay
Yale University
Posted by: outtathehood | January 27, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am
Donny, he’s a commentator — as are most other reporters, albeit more subtly. I won’t vote for Hillary — or, worse, Obama — but I do enjoy all the mouthing off Bill Clinton does. I enjoy politics but this primary season is dragging on and it’s rather boring. Bill makes it more interesting.
Posted by: Tom | January 27, 2008, 10:23 am 10:23 am
The Democratic Party is usually playing race cards against the Republican Party but the Clintons are tearing up the party from the inside doing it to Obama. They will continue and it wont be the same even if they or Obama win. I hope Obama wins as I find the Clintons sleazy.
Posted by: Jeff | January 27, 2008, 10:25 am 10:25 am
Well what a fine Job the Clinton’s have done to Divide America..not just on Cultural Issues but on Race. President Clinton they say was the FIRST black President yet we can see the DISTASTE he has for the Uppity ones! After all the Quota’s and War on Poverty..the folks are now Rising UP. What the Folks did not realize was that they were not Supposed to do that YET! While Democrats actually LIKE Sen Byrd.the KKK Leader who fought all the Civil Rights Legislation that LBJ put forward..blacks ARE NOT EVEN TOLD THAT IT WAS THE REPUBLICANS WHO MADE THE VOTES TO PASS THE CIVIL RIGHTS LAWS AND RELIGIOUS PEOPLE WHO MARCHED WITH THEM. Now blacks may be waking up, but the Democrats grew to despise religion and raise generations of people who were made to believe that they were BEING ABUSED BY Whites! They were telling them they were going to have to wait to MATURE and succeed..They were Never told that their own people sold them into slavery long before the US was a twinkle in our founding Father’s Eyes and that it was and still is Arabs and Muslims who foster slavery to this day! It is democrats who think “some folks are just not able to handle freedom”..Open your eyes and realize that the VERY Democrats who do not want Black children to get vouchers for a chance at good Schools..NEED to complain about funding vs quality and yet they have fought their war on poverty for 5 decades now and it has been A FAILURE. When you believe that a child doesn’t need a Mother and a Father..to guide them into adulthood and when one thinks a kid who must ride a bus for hours, exhausted at the end..cannot learn in a Black Neighborhood that is an insult to Blacks..WHAT IS SO HARD TO SEE THAT THE SIMPLE SOLUTION WOULD HAVE BEEN TO SHIP IN GOOD TEACHERS rather than ship out children and waste tons of money on expenses? The Democrats played to their Unions and Gave their own kids a GREAT Education but left the others who are not in the UNION behind..
How can anyone in the Democrat party get away with such an insult..ARE ONLY CERTAIN FOLKS ABLE TO LEARN..THAT IF BLACKS DO NOT HAVE WHITES IN CLASS THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO LEARN? The Dems will do any thing to Hang On to a Constituency..until now..they are surely looking for a BIGGER group to “HELP”.. (properly noted “HOLD BACK”) and we can see how angry the old Net Work is..Bill and his “words” tell it all!
Posted by: Caron | January 27, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am
For those who don’t know or don’t remember: When Bill Clinton took office the United States was 30 YEARS ahead of China in military and manufacturing technology.
Clinton ALLOWED our technology to be given to CHINA by removing the controls of the State Department and letting Ron Brown of the Commerce Department to sell it to the highest bidder. When a Chinese agent stole secrets from Los Alomos (sic) Clinton’s Dept. of Justice dis-allowed wire taps to prosecute him.
When the head of Lorel and Hughes Corportions were INDITED for giving China military secrets Clinton PARDONED them the same month they were to go to trial.
What does this mean to you and me?
China’s leap into the 21st century caused the rise in OIL PRICES and GASOLINE that we have today. That is because China sucks up what WAS an excess of supply we no longer have.
Of course, Democrats have prevented our country from being self-sufficent by stopping any OIL DRILLING in OUR country.
So now you know who to blame for $3.00 + gasoline and high electric bills.
Do we really need MORE of the same?
Posted by: John Keller | January 27, 2008, 10:28 am 10:28 am
How can you Dems be mad at the first black president Bill Clinton?
Posted by: Smiling Republican | January 27, 2008, 10:28 am 10:28 am
jj:
Yes all commit crimes…….but the majority of V I O L E N T crimes are commited by minorities.
I hate to tell this but you are wrong. You have been watching too much TV.
(another problem in our society).
Violent CRIMES are committed by ALL RACES. NOT THE MAJORITY of them by Minorities.
It’s like rap music.— the majority of rap music is bought by WHITE FOLKS.
Same things applies to this. VIOLENT CRIMES are committed by ALL RACES. Period.
The most violent person on the planet today is not a black man with a gun.
It’s a white teenager about 19 years old, on Ritalin in a black trench coat.
Posted by: Kim | January 27, 2008, 10:28 am 10:28 am
Guys, given the relationship between Bill and Hillary, do you really believe he wants his wife to be President? Does anyone detect subterfuge?
And you kids hiding behind this forum and abusing it with all your racial and feminist rants, GROW UP!
Posted by: Freshair | January 27, 2008, 10:28 am 10:28 am
did you catch the comment from Kay Patterson, state senator from South Carolina, in Saturday & Sunday’s Denver Post (1/19&20/2008):
“South Carolina is a polarized state…No one will ever make me believe a whole lot of Republicans are going to vote for Obama, or a person of color.”
so he is just flat out calling all Republicans racists, isn’t he?…isn’t that outrageous?
what’s more, you can’t find this quote in any online denver pest article, or it doesn’t come up in any other search engines I have tried…that looks a little suspicious to me…some quote this inflammatory is being buried
contact kimberly johnson at the post, who got the quote
JohnInLongmont
Posted by: john larson | January 27, 2008, 10:30 am 10:30 am
Bill wants Hillary to be President? Ha! Subterfuge tactics if I ever saw one.
Guys , be constructive with your arguments. Kids, tone down the racist and anti-feminist rants.
Posted by: Freshair | January 27, 2008, 10:32 am 10:32 am
I am truly shocked by Bill’s remark. Whether or not he is *personally* a racist, he is eager to make use of other people’s sentiments in pushing this kind of racial discourse. I am deeply disappointed – and I’ve always been a fan of Bill, despite his flaws. But non-racism is such a no-brainer. The Democratic National Committee should demand an apology, and that he keep out of the campaign if he won’t control himself, or expel him from the party. Yes, he’s the senior spokesman – but thus how damaging to have our senior spokesman stereotyping on the basis of race. Too sad.
Posted by: DG | January 27, 2008, 10:33 am 10:33 am
Relax people… It is all just a plot. Those who are voting for Hillary will vote for Obama in November and of course blacks will vote for whoever the democrat nominee is. They are pretending to be angry with each other so come the time of the convention they will be holding hands saying look how easy it is to overcome differences.
Posted by: steve bartman | January 27, 2008, 10:37 am 10:37 am
I fully believe that Bill is correct about Barack Hussein Onama. I also believe that anyone who votes for Obama is denigrates the memories of all those poor souls lost on 9-11-01. Obama has clearly not explained his religion other than for the past twenty years. What about before this? What about his father? Was his father a US Citizen or illegally here in the US? Was his father a legal immigrant? All of these issues are important to the US. America is also not ready for anyone with a Muslim background to be President. The average Christian believes that all Muslims are terrorists. It does not matter whether the belief is true or not but th perception is there. Bill Clinton makes reasonable arguments about Obama. If I could vote for her I would vote for Hillary over Obama.
Posted by: Joe | January 27, 2008, 10:40 am 10:40 am
We will see in the GE when it comes to a choice between the Clintons and a republican if, with all of your shock and disgust, that you will walk in like nice, obedient, little democrats and vote for them.
We will see.
Posted by: Mamie | January 27, 2008, 10:42 am 10:42 am
I cannot tell you how sick to death I, a voter of color, am of white folks knowing so intimately how we vote, think, reason and make decisions. /eyeroll
You can think that the black vote is easily reconciled with a little hymnal singing if you want to. Maybe for some older voters but there are plenty of us willing to not vote at all or, gasp!, vote non-dem than to let Bill Clinton treat us like ignorant children and then come a callin’.
I wrote a whole petition for this very reason. I’m just a voter – not any kind of activist but I will personally flood every blog, knock on every door in a 100 mile radius and stalk Chris Matthews to ask black voters to vote for ANYONE but Clinton should she be the nominee. At this point, this is beyond ridiculous.
Posted by: tress | January 27, 2008, 10:42 am 10:42 am
CraigCobb: Protocol. We have United States Senators sending young Pages text messages. Let’s not talk about behavior. We have United States Senators using our tax dollars on hookers.
In the scheme of all things — is that our biggest worry – where he put his hands. As I said: Our kids can even say “GOD” in the pledge of allegiance anymore.
TO ME THAT IS BIGGER than where he put his hands as he stood respectfully listening to the anthem.
CraigCobb: you are a smart man. You know this is petty. If this is the only issue you about Obama you have. We are all in a world of hurt.
I will never ever vote for another Republican. They are the biggest LIARS on the planets. From the HOLYIER than thou – right winged lying gay ministers, to all of the entire Bush Administration. They have demonstrated they will lie at will.
Posted by: Kim | January 27, 2008, 10:44 am 10:44 am
**** Conservative News Flash*****
I think some of you liberals need this quick reference:
Bill and Hillary Clinton’s race baiting cut Obama’s lead in New Hampshire–8 points in 2 weeks.
Bill’s comments had a huge impact on this most recent win, despite the trouncing she took–only 1-4 white voters cast for Obama.
**Put another way, 3 out of 4 ‘liberal whites’ chose not to vote for a black person.
I never want to hear about the party of inclusion, the ‘first black president’ or ‘conservative class warfare.’ The world has seen what liberals carry within–all the bigotry and hatred we always knew was there with their pandering ways.
This police officer chose to say it in song–12 original songs that tell the left what we think of them–one of a kind music
Posted by: Lance Truscott Morrison | January 27, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am
Obama did not swore over Koran, that is a lie propagated in the internet. It was Congressman Keith Ellison D- Minn
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Keith Ellison, D-Minn., the first Muslim elected to the United States Congress, has announced that he will not take his oath of office on the Bible, but on the bible of Islam, the Koran.
I do not support Obama, but a lie is a lie
Romney for President 2008
Posted by: lassiter | January 27, 2008, 10:47 am 10:47 am
The Clinton’s are disgraceful, manipulative, abusive phonies. How can anyone look at these two as individuals or as a couple and believe for a second that they are worthy of a vote? Talk about putting the inmates in charge of the prison. Wake up America and put these two white collar criminals out to pasture! They’ll need all the time they can muster to count their ill-begotten corporate booty! Some estimates are 200 million from Corporate America since they’ve left the White House! I’m tired of thew ME generation, aren’t you? It’s time to turn the page, Vote Obama!
Posted by: geddesman | January 27, 2008, 10:47 am 10:47 am
Kim…that is so weak !!
Posted by: Andy | January 27, 2008, 10:47 am 10:47 am
Yes, Kim, it couldn’t be any worse than even the poor people in the US living better than the average person in Europe. Stop your whining and at least make a logical point. We have a majority now that will vote to plunder the minority; can’t we see where that is headed. I guess it’s not fair huh;if somebody can afford something then every scrub should just vote for whoever will steal the most from someone else. Punishing achievement will do more damage than good.
As for the two Parties…… both are self-serving machines moving in the same direction at different paces.
Posted by: JK | January 27, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am
Alan, you wrote: “…Obama is all rhetoric and no substance.” Actually that can be said of the Democratic Party. For example, take the issue of education. Education has been one of the main issues in EVERY election since the 1950s. Yet, the Democrats held huge majorities in both Houses of Congress for nearly 6 decades, until the Republicans took over in 1995. But even more telling is which party has controlled the local governments and school boards in the vast majority of the large urban cities for decades on end? You have to ask yourself why do these urban cities still have dilapidated schools? That’s because the Democratic Party, and Liberals in general, are more concerned about “talking” about something, and “making the effort” in doing something, then they are about actual results.
Take Sen. Clinton for example. In a recent speech she told the audience to ask her friends how dedicated she is when she takes up a cause. She says that she puts a lot of time and effort into “trying.” Yet were are the results? What has she actually DONE? And then the other day, Sen. Clinton told an audience that when she is president she will “think” about them. She will “think” about them?
It’s all about “talking,” “thinking” and “making the effort” AND keeping issues alive for the next election. It’s never about a problem actually being solved and not being an issue ever again!
Posted by: James Danley | January 27, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am
FACT IT, Americans fail to realize what socialism can do to a nation.
Charlie.
Posted by: Charlie | January 27, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am
well if you want the country to really know why Clinton lost and Obama won then you say it like it is.
The truth is African American voters identify with Obama Just like they did Jesse Jackson when he won South Carolina. I would to if I were African American.
There’s nothing wrong with that, it’s just the truth. Doesn’t mean it’s right but it is the truth.
If Obama is going to compare Nixon to Clinton in contrast to Regan then I don’t see a problem with the Obama/Jackson contrast.
Apparently this reporter and others would rather become the story by distorting the truth for the sake of their own bias than report the facts.
The media distortions are the real story of this election.
Posted by: mike | January 27, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am
I am an Palm Springs Independent(former Republican) and support Obama. My neighbor, thinks Hil walks on water. However, we’ll have a glass of wine and discuss matters. I am uncomfortable when he uses the “n” word and flat out says he couldn’t vote for a ________ or stand to see a ________ in the White House. Scary. I wonder if this is widespread among white Dems?
Posted by: Jack Scribe | January 27, 2008, 10:54 am 10:54 am
Since William was the first Black pres, can any thing he says be racist?
Lets face it, if Mitt would have said or used any of these comments or tactics, oh my God !!!
Truth is, the Dems will never allow a Black pres. The Pubs will have a non-white pres long before the Dems, but of course that won’t count.
Posted by: Benjamin9 | January 27, 2008, 10:54 am 10:54 am
Joe: you said: “Obama has clearly not explained his religion other than for the past twenty years. What about before this? What about his father? Was his father a US Citizen or illegally here in the US? Was his father a legal immigrant? All of these issues are important to the US. America is also not ready for anyone with a Muslim background to be President. ”
Do you know about the FATHERS of all the PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES?
This is laughable. This sooo ignorant.
Ronald Regans wife Nancy – had a Astrologer determine which days he should hold meetings and what day he should and should not get on a plane….
and you are worried about whether OBAMA’s daddy who was a STUDENT at the University of Kansas, if he was an illegal in this country.
George Bush’s Grand Daddy married a wealthy magazine heiress – for the McCall Magazine. His Father in law was from a foreign country. Should we go back and look at the records to determine if Bush’s Great Great Great Grand daddy was illegal too?
Posted by: Kim | January 27, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am
…and by the way, my hope for president was Condi Rice–a woman and a black person. Thing is, we don’t believe in ‘symbolic votes.’ That is a condescending and ignorant perspective. It actually means you ‘see color’ and ‘see gender.’ Liberlas ALWAYS do.
Oh, don’t bash Condi..you libs already have. First she wasn’t black enough because of her education and polish–again, a real peek into how you view blacks. Then she was too prissy to represent women…you know…a PhD, a concert pianist, a Stanford Provost. Yeah, a conservative, accomplished woman doesn’t represent females–more of your bigotry.
The she became Bush’s stooge. Even then, once the possibility of her running was raised, she was elevated to an ‘independent thinking designer of an illegal war.’
Posted by: Lance Truscott Morrison | January 27, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am
That Bill Clinton had the audacity to talk about lost American jobs last evening is the ultimate insult! Bill Clinton was the President who signed NAFTA (and supported the WTO) into existence which everyone knows is responsible for the loss of millions of American jobs. This alone should turn every sensible American that doesn’t rake in millions from Corporate America away from this liar. People the Clinton’s are the problem don’t be fooled!
Posted by: geddesman | January 27, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am
***Last Offering Before Bed****
I keep waiting for blacks in America to question the ‘fairy tale’ Bill spoke of. Just last night, a mainstream network did ‘analysis’ on why Clinton’s black ‘poet laureate’ called him the nation’s first black president (perhaps because she was his poetlaureate???). They gave 3 reasons:
Clinton had the most diverse cabinet in history.
Clinton aided Haiti.
Clinton provided blacks with high employment.
Now we all know that George W. Bush’s cabinet has been wildly more diverse, and the liberals have resorted to bigoted resentment. Condaleeza was called ‘not black enough,’ always a code phrase for a black who thinks differently than white liberals think they should (see ‘uppity’). Initially, Colin Powell was an ‘Uncle Tom,’ another way to degrade a black who ‘does differently’ than white liberals want done. Once Powell expressed disagreement with some Bush policies, he was repackaged as an authentic genius.
As far as Haiti, I’ll never forget Bill Clinton offering us his forced leader for that country as ‘Father Aristide.’ That says it all–as if we didn’t know what this man had done there, and did yet again.
Barrack Obama was correct to point out the Reagan legacy. What he did for blacks as far as employment opportunities rocks the liberal love boat, and G.W.’s unemployment rates will go down in history as the lowest we have experienced in an eight year cycle.
***But the biggest tell-all for Bill and Hillary is their often repeated mantra: Hillary is the single-most qualified person in the country to be president. THat means, by their own words, that they feel there are:
NO black men or women in America more qualified than Hillary.
NO Hispanic men or women in America more qualified than Hillary.
NO Asian men or women in America more qualified than Hillary.
Their base is, by definition, subserviant. No wonder they think Barack is uppity for ‘picking a fight,’ a.k.a. asking tough questions in a presidential election.
Posted by: Lance Truscott Morrison | January 27, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am
“Like many Arkansans, I have long regarded Senator William Fulbright as both a role model and a mentor,” Bill Clinton
For most of his life and public service, Fulbright was a supporter of racial segregation. He signed The Southern Manifesto opposing the Supreme Court’s historic 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision. He subsequently joined with the Dixiecrats in filibustering the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and the Civil Rights Act of 1964, as well as voting against the 1965 Voting Rights Act.
The ole apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. BC took his Fulbright scholarship to heart. So much for the first black president. Hey Bill “Let my people go”
Posted by: Gre | January 27, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am
Jake – have you not seen Obama’s TV commercial where 5 seconds into the add they show a newspaper headline referring to Obama as black??? Obama is playing up his supposed race. He’s actually not “black” but is bi-racial.
Posted by: Kevin | January 27, 2008, 11:04 am 11:04 am
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Kim, there are other issues as well.
There is his alleged crack cocain usage and his homosexuality (which would leave him open to being pressured by.
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Obama put his life in a book. He does not say “I did not inhale”. He is forthcoming. It was not CRACK.(By the way).
You also know he is not gay.
We do know that there are a lot of Right Wing Fundamentalist Christian Pastors that preached on Sundays about the homosexuals, and then they were having affairs with Gay men behind their wifes back. They were total hypocrites.
We also know that our own President has engaged in some behavior – smoked pot and got caught driving drunk. Bush also dabbled with Cocaine.
Posted by: kim | January 27, 2008, 11:04 am 11:04 am
C’mon Kim…..
you are progressively not helping your cause by posting this crap. Put up the proof if your going to spew the rhetoric
Mitt for President….Deport Obama !
Posted by: Andy | January 27, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am
Barry Obama’s church has changed their 10 point vision! The took all reference to black out. Interesting. Does this change the way they feel? Nope.
The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:
1. A congregation committed to ADORATION.
2. A congregation preaching SALVATION.
3. A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
4. A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
5. A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
6. A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
7. A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.
8. A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
9. A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
10. A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.
Posted by: Pookie and Ray Ray | January 27, 2008, 11:10 am 11:10 am
I keep hearing allegations of Obama being a Muslim and his outright refusal and aversion of it. My question is, what’s wrong with being a Muslim politician? Must I remind my fellow citizens that we are fighting a war on “terror” (as ridiculous as that is) and not on Islam?
Posted by: What's wrong with being Muslim | January 27, 2008, 11:11 am 11:11 am
Congratulations to Obama, I would vote for Obama, or Hillary in a second against Romney. Romney is a hipocrite, I can’t believe he is so bias against immigrants when his grandfather was born in Mexico, and he says everyone should speak English, yet he did his adds in Spanish in Florida, be careful with a person who speaks from both sides of his mouth…
Posted by: cecimorr | January 27, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am
why do white folks all think that black folks are in love with Jesse Jackson.
That is not true.
That would be like saying – all white folks agree with everything that Paris Hilton says.
Obama has more educated people of color – who can not stand Jesse Jackson, voting for him.
The media – always calls Jesse Jackson.
THEY call him a leader for Black people.
WE DO NOT.
Can you please get that straight!
Posted by: kim | January 27, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am
Obama can never win. Mccain or Huckabee would beat him like a drum. Americans will not vote for a man with the name obama hussein barack. Period, end of discussion, nuff said.
gata
Posted by: Bill | January 27, 2008, 11:16 am 11:16 am
The Clinton’s are disgraceful, manipulative, abusive phonies. How can anyone look at these two as individuals or as a couple and believe for a second that they are worthy of a vote? Talk about putting the inmates in charge of the prison. Wake up America and put these two white collar criminals out to pasture! They’ll need all the time they can muster to count their ill-begotten corporate booty! Some estimates are 200 million from Corporate America since they’ve left the White House! I’m tired of thew ME generation, aren’t you? It’s time to turn the page, ABC = Anyone but Clinton!
Posted by: geddesman | January 27, 2008, 11:16 am 11:16 am
Support Mitt Romney, only decent person
with admirable background given fully!
He has little to gain by achieving king-
ship as he succeeds personally. He loves this Country. Huck and McCain
will give citizenship to kids of ille-
gals and all perks who knowingly got
benefits earned by Americans. send
Nuck & McCain back into the heather.
Posted by: Rosemary Smithson | January 27, 2008, 11:20 am 11:20 am
Where in Bill Clinton’s comment did he say, “Obama Is Just Like Jesse Jackson?” IT IS NOT THERE!
AGAIN, the media is mischaracterizing and misstating what is said. It is disgusting!
Posted by: Linda | January 27, 2008, 11:20 am 11:20 am
well, genius, that might be because Obama IS the black candidate.
what did your parents spend to send to to college? because they didn’t get their money’s worth.
Posted by: your daddy | January 27, 2008, 11:23 am 11:23 am
Simple.
I will NOT vote for Obama because of one reason: He is a black man that belongs to a separtist church. To me, this means he is a racist.
I’m not one, which is why I cannot vote for someone that is.
Posted by: Tom | January 27, 2008, 11:23 am 11:23 am
I am a student of American history, particularly Civil War history. Anyone who has studied the Civil War era, during which the Republican Party was founded (primarily by Abraham Lincoln) would know that the Democratic Party has been the party of racists since at least the mid-1800s, and in fact had anti-black racism and pro-slavery as its core planks in that era. The Republican Party on the other hand, had as its central planks: 1) restoration of the Union; and 2) abolition of slavery (although there were ‘moderate’ and ‘conservative’ Republicans of that era who tended to side with the Democrats in their pro-slavery, and or at least non-equality for blacks views, the ‘radical’ Republics drove the abolition movement.) The Democrat Party has always been the lowest common denominator party, just as it is today, having no principles and appealing to the least informed Americans with ‘free goodies’ proposals in order to win their votes. It’s really sad how little Democrat philosophy has advanced in one a half centuries.
Posted by: Bill | January 27, 2008, 11:23 am 11:23 am
Obama is appealing across all sectors not because of gender or race but because of what he is saying…
The Clintons, however are playing to people biases, pulling out whatever stoppers to get themselves back in the white house…They especially appeal to people who do not read or stay marginally informed on the facts.
I believe if Hilary is the Democratic Runner this will give the Republicans another chance to be back in the White House.
Posted by: Roxanna | January 27, 2008, 11:24 am 11:24 am
OH MY GOD! Bill Clinton just threw the worst race card at Obama because Obama destroyed her and Bill wants to suck up the media attention.
Posted by: Mark Morris | January 27, 2008, 11:26 am 11:26 am
The candidates for both parties are midgets. I believe we ought to let the Oval Office rest for 4 years and fumigate the WH.
We also have a good saying in Texas that describes the 2008 midgets. They are “all hat and no cattle.”
Longdrycreek Ranch
Texas
Posted by: James A. Glasscock | January 27, 2008, 11:27 am 11:27 am
It’s scary how easy it is to lie & slander on a blog. Here’s the TRUTH about Obama’s swearing-in:
Two press reports from Obama’s swearing-in ceremony in January 2005 mention specifically that Obama took the oath of office by placing his hand on his own copy of the Bible. The Barack Obama campaign also confirmed that it was a Bible and that the book belonged to Obama. Vice President Dick Cheney, in his role as president of the Senate, administered the oath.
After being raised outside of any particular faith tradition, Obama became a Christian in his mid 20s and is a member of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. (Obama gave what are arguably his most extended remarks on his faith at the “Call to Renewal” religious conference in 2006.
We suspect this false claim was inspired by the 2007 swearing-in of Rep. Keith Ellison, D-Minn., an American convert to Islam and the first Muslim elected to Congress. Ellison used a Koran that once belonged to Thomas Jefferson, borrowing the rare book from the Library of Congress.
Posted by: Spencer | January 27, 2008, 11:27 am 11:27 am
Andy: you have issues too:
I say the things I post because in america we have a double standard.
1. White folks can do the most hanious crimes – example – 19 yr old white kid, with a gun and black trench coat. Kills a bunch of people at the mall or they shoot up the entire school (columbine).
or a rural community elementary school.
But them you have posters and bloggers that say Black people are violent – and we do all the violent crimes.
2. another double standard:
Obama’s father is from Kenya. Was he illegal?
What kind of nonsense is that? The original Americans were the American Indians…EVERYONE ELSE – that lives here is from some place else.
3. Lastly, Obama did drugs.
Why is that when someone is honest about what happend when they were young, and then they cleaned up their life. You always want to harp on that.
Like he said – “People said he was to ambitious in Kindergarten – because he said he wanted to be President”.
can you believe – they have gone all the way back to look at what he said in KINDERGARTEN.
P.S. We are still dealing with the old jim crow laws of the “one drop rule”,
Obama is actually bi-racial.
There are just so many double standards.
We have a HARVARD LAW SCHOOL GRADUATE, a PROFESSOR OF THE US CONSTITUTION a MAN of INTEGRITY. A STATEMAN – SOMEONE WHO WILL MAKE PEOPLE PROUD TO BE AMERICANS AGAIN.
I AM VOTING FOR OBAMA
Posted by: kim | January 27, 2008, 11:28 am 11:28 am
It doesn’t matter whether it’s Hillary or Obama. They are both internationalists, who will put American interests second to the “New World Order.”
Voting for either of these two clowns will not bring change.
Posted by: Quentin | January 27, 2008, 11:29 am 11:29 am
More “Clinton Derangement Syndrome” from the “Liberal Media”.
Isn’t it great that we have such an unbiased media in this country?
But just wait. When the media is done Swiftboating the Clintons, they’ll turn on their current darling Obama in an instant and destroy him too, so that the Repubs can remain ruining our country from the White House.
Posted by: OxyCon | January 27, 2008, 11:31 am 11:31 am
Bill Clinton is the master manipulator of the uneducated.
He compares Obama to Jackson, thereby complimenting him in the eyes of uneducated black people and separating him from uneducated white people. No one is better at it than Bill Clinton. Unfortunately, his is disgusting enough to use the tactic in the first place.
What a piece of garbage he is, and his wife for waiting behind the scenes while her racist husband does her bidding.
Posted by: KROVE | January 27, 2008, 11:33 am 11:33 am
The ‘Obama is radical muslim’ story was snoped. Tom’s comment is bunk.
Posted by: Dave | January 27, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am
Even conservative Independents and Republicans could accept Obama as President. The world of ABC voters (anybody by Clinton) is wide and deep. And, there hatred probably no less than Howard Dean’s ” all Christian Evangelists are evil and I hate all Republicans. Actually, Obama would be more widely accepted with less racially charged opposition in the republican, party. After all, it was the Repub’s who urged Powell to consider a run
Posted by: Able Easy | January 27, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am
I am sure that a female or black president will eventually gain power.
At present it seems more urgent and practical to elect a president on overall policies, and leave the sex and race issues to be settled during less ‘interesting” times.
If Americans really want a positive change they should support John Edwards, and escape from the malignant corporate influences.
Posted by: Charles Lucy | January 27, 2008, 11:35 am 11:35 am
What…..Bill Clinton massaging the media? NEVER !!!
Posted by: sobit | January 27, 2008, 11:46 am 11:46 am
Edwards is a wimp and a cry baby.
Posted by: Andy | January 27, 2008, 11:47 am 11:47 am
If Obama wins the Democratic nomination I am voting republican. Enuff said.
Posted by: monica | January 27, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am
Senator Barack Obama “We can no longer afford to build ourselves up by tearing someone else down,” he said. “We can no longer afford to traffic in lies or fear or hate. It is the poison that we must purge from our politics; the wall that we must tear down before the hour grows too late.”
Sounds great, Then tell me if they believe in what Obama preaches. The supporters have fallen for exactly what the Neocons hoped for, the Obama supporters have become the Neocons surrogates for spreading their hate for the Clintons. The Rove strategy is to defeat Hillary in the nomination so they will have a chance at winning the general election.
Hillary had a commanding lead in all polls, what would benefit her in attacking her fellow democrats. Hillary went down in the polls only after all the democrat candidates started attacking her along with the usual neocon BS
Posted by: Gordon | January 27, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am
If you look at the actions of both parties, there’s not that much difference between the two. They’re both heading in the same direction. They’ve just got different ways of getting there. It seems the Republicans have become decidedly liberal in their philosophy. The Democrats are just as marxist as they’ve always been. Maybe more so.
Posted by: Gary Robinson | January 27, 2008, 11:51 am 11:51 am
this is all a game. creating controversay is a media game, it stirs the media and the media stirs the viewers. face it it is nothing more than free advertising. at the end of the day there is very little substance, hence we will see more erosion of our fine country.
Posted by: jim | January 27, 2008, 11:51 am 11:51 am
Wake up folks, they’re all “internationalists”, selling our country out from under us. It’s been going on for decades, most recently up in Canada when GW was agreeing for US/Mex/Canada to be combined. Only Tancredo and Paul know what this country is about.
Posted by: JK | January 27, 2008, 11:52 am 11:52 am
BILL CLINTON can not wait to return to the WHITE HOUSE BY WHY OF HIS PROXY WIFE. BILL did not want to leave the WHITE HOUSE WHEN HIS 2ND PRESIDENTIAL TERM ENDED. IT DOES NOT MATTER TO HIM THAT HE IS MAKING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AS A CIVILIAN, ALL THAT HE WANTS NOW IS ANOTHER EIGHT YEARS AT THE PUBLIC DOLLAR TROUGH AND THE POWER OF THE WHITE HOUSE.
Posted by: will | January 27, 2008, 11:53 am 11:53 am
I am disappointed in the Clintons:
After watching him and his wife campaign. I realize that he will say and do anything to get her elected.
What is he so scared of?
They thought they had the Black vote in their pocket, cause after all – all black folks “love Bill Clinton”.
NOT!
And if he keeps up the tactics he’s using he will not have any people of color vote for them. He is really slimey. I see that now!
Obama is wiping the floor with Hillary.
The media is having to regroup. So they post headlines like the one above -try to equate Obama with Jesse Jackson.
These two people are in two entirely different approaches to life. Obama is a product of America. He worked hard for everything he has. He is a unifier. He wants us all to be AMERICANS.
Drop off the – hyphen.
Just AMERICANS. I am voting for OBAMA
Posted by: kim | January 27, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
Gary
I agree with your assumption somewhat. I think just a few Republicans have leaned to the left a bit. For the most part I think conservatives have stuck to there values. It’s the sign of the times that some will waiver in the Grand Old Party…..as far as the liberal dems, they are the party of what ever feels good now. No plan no vision no morals…we can’t afford four or eight more years of that again.
Mitt for President
Posted by: Sasha | January 27, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am
Obama, clinton, and all the current 08 candidates had a chance to stand for the American people when there was secretly written legislation giving amnesty when 80% of Americans did not want to give amnesty.
No media talks about the negative impacts amnesty would have on future welfare costs, healthcare costs, education degredation, pollution, and many other overwhelming negative aspects like wage supression and increasing rent prices through diminshed availability.
Get a grip AMerica; we went to war and ignored our own borders. We’ve been and still are being duped.
It is the media that lacks the ability to hold these scumbags accountable for their lies and deceptive ways; so fix the media to be the way the US Constitution intended frredom of speech to be used or else we need to hold monthly elections.
Posted by: themissingcandidate08 | January 27, 2008, 11:58 am 11:58 am
I hope Obama wins – Hillary can be his VP.
Posted by: Traci | January 27, 2008, 11:58 am 11:58 am
Great comment here: “When the media is done Swiftboating the Clintons” -
Idiocy on two levels: one, you need to have served in the military for the Swiftboat analogy to work, and two, the media has been in loved with that impeached president and his “wife” for decades, but maybe now their love of the Clintons has been eclipsed by their love of Obama.
Posted by: Steve I. | January 27, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
Gordon,
Your anti-semitic comments are revealing and yet another problem with the Democrats. We all know what neocon is code for, and you are spreading it.
It is amazing to me how much race matters to DEMOCRATS!!. Heck Republicans welcome anyone willing to take self responsibility, its the dems that constantly label people so they can keep them in nice tight little manipulative groups.
Posted by: krove | January 27, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm
its funny how alot of liberals say they will vote conservative if obama gets the ticket. i know for a fact that most of the racist people of this country are of the left leaning ilk, which makes me wonder why the black man continues to lean on the democratic party. go figure.
Posted by: kevin | January 27, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm
It would be great to have a good woman or good African American as President.
However, Hillary Rodham-Clinton and Barack Hussein Obama are not those people.
Condi Rice would be good on BOTH COUNTS!
Dr. Rice was President of Stanford University. She is fluent in several languages and would be the nation’s second PhD in the Executive branch. She would make a wonderful VP candidate — and a perfect running mate!
But can you already hear the “Uncle Tom” jokes coming from Hillary and Barack’s croonies? Jeez.
Romney/Condi in 2008!!!
- or -
McCain/Condi in 2008!!!
:-)
Posted by: Mireya Ayala | January 27, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
I have two problems with Obama: (1)he is like Clinton and Edwards, wanting our country to become socialistic (i.e., have people rely totally on the government and not on themselves) (2) he has an embarrasing lack of experience and, as president, would be an on-the-job trainee.
Posted by: Two problems with Obama | January 27, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
simple: Obama wins nomination, whites/latinos will vote republican. There is not enough blacks in the country to carry obama in a general election. Not racist, just a realist. I for one will be voting republican if obama wins the nomination. If Clinton or Edwards wins I’ll vote democrat.
Posted by: Realist | January 27, 2008, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm
“Barack Hussein Obama is a Christian. He attends a very lovely and politically charged black congregation, although Barack doesn’t believe in life after death or that Jesus really did miracles or that Jesus was the son of God.”
A couple of things, Aleisha.
(1) How is it that BHO is a Christian, yet he “doesn’t believe in life after death or…that Jesus was the son of God”? There aren’t two beliefs more fundamental to the Christian faith than those two. That’s honestly one of the most absurd statements I’ve ever read.
(2) If you’d genuinely describe BHO’s racist church as “lovely”, then you’re either largely unfamiliar with it, or you have a very different definition of “lovely” than most reasonable people.
Posted by: MSR | January 27, 2008, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm
Traci,
It’s hard to argue with Kevin when 92% of blacks voted dem last cycle, with John Kerry as the candidate. Unfortunately, black people do tend to vote as a block.
Posted by: KROVE | January 27, 2008, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm
All Americans that really love America should take careful note of each candidate as all have their faults as well as there appearing good points. Whene looking back on Mrs Clinton with TRUTH in mind, we will see a woman taught by rogue Marxist of whch she has obsorbed their ways. Bill spent Vietnam days in Russia learing WHAT?? Both have their OWN agenda and it is NOT for the love of American as much as it is to place America under their thumb and ways. If they were to keep the senate and congress where they are today, they would surly place us in this bondage and once there, it will be too late to change things. We will go the way of other nations that have no say so and our Sovereign nation is gone.
Mr Obama, it is said that what you follow you become. Look to his spiritual leaders and the teaching he has sat under for many years then ask yourself,do you really want that.
Mr. Rommey, a Mormon of which not just I but many claim to be a cult religion.
His ways are not GOD’s ways nor mine BUT, when have we ever had a real CHRISTAN President? (Well maybe Reagan-lol) God says, I am the MOST High God and I am SOVEREIGN over the NATIONS of men and I PLACE ANYONE I WISH OVER THEM.Dan 5:21-I know, most of this world refuses to acknowledge Him but we sure have witnessed some of His anger lately admit it or not.(9/11-ECONOMY-storms with great loss and money, tornados in flash from no where out of season). And then their was the Katrina and the PERFECT STORM. Few would get this as being GOD’s displeasure with this greatest and most blessed of nations. For that fact, few take Him out of a box and really take a look at Him.
We must get this-we chose/vote but in light of our ways, we get what we deserve from God who has the FINAL word over who is and who is not PRESIDENT.
THIS no matter what we say, will not negate HIM.
We must be honest and chose a man that is as close to being for AMERICA and the peoples of AMERICA, their safety,
the economy,our military and to try and regain the lost Patroitisum we once loved. We MUST NOT CHOSE because of
color or sex. THIS is dead wrong to do so. Remember, when it comes to the finalness of all, we must live with the blessings or the curse that comes with our decisions. We are ACCOUNTABLE.
Posted by: Bonnie Turner | January 27, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
Lance, you wrote: “…and by the way, my hope for president was Condi Rice–a woman and a black person.”
Don’t give up hope! My hope is that the Republican’s have a brokered convention. That no one emerges with the majority of the delegates. Then maybe the delegates will draft Dr. Rice for our nominee! My dream ticket is Rice-Lieberman. I know a lot of Republicans would have a problem with Sen Lieberman being too liberal on social issues. But that is a winning ticket. If the Democrats have Clinton-Obama and the Republicans have Rice-Lieberman, race and gender would be irrelevant. Imagine a women and an African-American man versus an African-American woman and a Jewish man. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.’s dream would be a whole lot closer to coming to fruition.
Posted by: James Danley | January 27, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
If the clintons win the nomination. I am voting republican
Posted by: Chris | January 27, 2008, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm
Krove:
Not true. If voting is a private event.
They are going by what the “Polls” tell them. We know what is going on with the polls.
If that’s the case all white men from the south are also voting in a block.
they vote republican, and Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity tell them who to vote for.
Posted by: Traci | January 27, 2008, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm
Mireya Ayala, Dr. Rice was the Provost of Stanford University. Not the university president.
Posted by: James Danley | January 27, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
If Bill Clinton ever was the “First Black President” he just got impeached!
Again…
Posted by: Jack | January 27, 2008, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm
” Obama as “the black candidate.” “Obama the white candidate” remember his mothers white link making her the link to his ability not his black fathers link. Your splitting logs to be a cabin live inner. I believe, in time, the truth will prevail and society will be shocked the real truth after the dust of “color” settles and becomes the true way to the truth. “Black and White” the true divider.The Constitution will prevail as the true soothsayer.
Posted by: Kay | January 27, 2008, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm
Tracy, Senator Byrd, a DEmocrat, formally a member of the KKK. Check your facts before cutting the Republicans
Posted by: Paris | January 27, 2008, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm
Traci,
The facts bely your argument. You can make all the innuendo you want because truth, in this case, may be uncomfortable, but it is true, as was proven through exit polling. Now, the exit polling might not be 100% but it is as good an indicator as we have.
I wish it weren’t true. I wish all people, regardless of race, gender, etc. would vote as individuals, but we know that is not true, and the Clintons, through their actions are showing that they too understand that it is not true.
These vermin are actually painting Obama as the favorite of the black voter in order to turn off uneducated white people. They are sacrificing the black vote in the primary in order to get the more lucrative white vote. They also know that the black vote will come back home in the general election as they have since the beginning of time. Now that is sad and that is disgusting on the part of the Clintons who ought to be bigger than that..
Posted by: krOVE | January 27, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
If this is how sinister Hillary operates to fellow Democrats — think about how dirty she will play when she is up against Romney’s Mormon background?!?
What about McCain’s age?!? Will she suggest that McCain is “unfit” for the Presidency because he was born in Panama (although both of his parents were US citizens) or suffered at the hands of the North Vietnamese torturers for 5 and a half years?!?
How will Hillary paint Condi Rice if Condi is indeed the VP choice?!?
I really don’t like Barack Obama. He is inexperienced in national politics and has a questionable background as a trial lawyer. Regardless, Hillary has exposed herself as a sinister agent of sleaze! I hope that Obama is the Democrats’ nominee in November. While I don’t like the man, he is at least somewhat less sinister than Hillary.
And I hope that either of them would lose to a McCain/Rice or Romney/Rice ticket in the fall.
Posted by: Michelle Gonzales-Puentes | January 27, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
Bill Clinton is a biggot and an idiot. And he’s not making this election about race? He must think of the American people as a bunch of fools that can be easily manipulated.
Posted by: Ray | January 27, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
Bottom Line Folks—-Liberal Elites have always thought they owned the blacks and are highly resentful when one of them has the “audacity to think he can lead the liberals over their annoited.” This is garbage to the highest. Obama is a darn decent person who all Americans can support as a uniter even if they view one or two issues differently. Get rid of the highly divisive, sneaky Clintons and elect someone of class.
Posted by: rockychance | January 27, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
Remember people….it was the Republicans not Dems that pased the civil rights act during LBJ’s tenure. Bush has done more for minorities than Clinton even thought about.
Minorities should wake up and break free from the Democratic stronghold that keeps them down….quit voting for them and rise up.
Posted by: sasha | January 27, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
“I love this talk about the “2 for 1″ deal. How is this a good thing???? Honestly, shouldn’t we question Hillary’s ability, or lack there of, to get this done on her own??? Why would anyone want a leader, that needs so much help from someone else to win the primary? What will happen when she is called to respond to the major issues that our country is facing? She has already said that Bill will not be making decisions with her. What if something happened to the former president and he couldn’t assist her? Where would this leave us? We would have elected someone that can not perform on their own. Is this what we really want???? We should be concentrating on electing our next LEADER… SINGULAR, not our next leader .. CODEPENDENT”.
My sentiments exactly! WHAT will Bill Clintons role be in a Hillary presidency????
I sometimes find it confusing as to who is really running..Bill or Hillary. Bill mentions Hillary in his stump speeches,but more time is speant on HIM reminding people of his accomplishments as President.
Is Hillary running on Bills record??? Or is Bill attributing his accomplishments to Hillary?
The Republicans want Hillary to get the nomination,simply because they believe they can beat her. Even Bush has picked Hillary as the best choice.
The Clintons have too much baggage,and the Republicans will dredge all of it up…If Hillary wins the nimination,we will have the GOP in the Whitehouse for another 4 years,maybe 8. Can America endure another term of Reblicans????
I think NOT!
Posted by: marge | January 27, 2008, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm
truthteller:
READ SOMEBOOKS – this country was built on the backs of poor white folks and minorities – Black men, Chinese men, Indians, Mexicans. the majority of the railroads and roads were built by minority workers.
Posted by: Traci, | January 27, 2008, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm
Tactically the Dems would be pretty stupid to go with Hillary at this point. Romney beats her, McCain beats her, and Huckabee is fading. If Hillary is up there the Republicans would take all the states they took in 2004 if not more. She mobilizes the Republican base, and if she were to win the Dem nomination using the current strategy republican strategist would have no problem turning up the dirt on her and a lot of the Obama supporters won’t come to her defense. Remember Bill Clinton has had 8 years of being Mr. Ex President and I am sure some people have been watching everything he’s been doing and holding back for the right time to strike. Now a lot of people might say Obama won’t win a red state because he’s black or because of his name but he mobilizes a lot of people to vote, that Hillary doesn’t. I am a republican and the only doubts I have about him are that if he were to win the election you’d have the same party running congress and the oval office which usually leads to more pork, higher taxes, an even weaker dollar, etc. If he turns out to be the second coming of Jimmy Carter, Hillary can run against him in 2012 like Teddy Kennedy did in 1980. She would probably still lose the election however. In all honesty, she might have had a chance had Obama never come along. She thought she was going to get up on the stage with Dodd, and Biden and they were going to bow down and they were going to annoint her. I am sure there are a few Rosanne Barr 50 something women that are going to vote for her because of who she is but Obama is picking off people left and right from her.
Posted by: Tom in CT | January 27, 2008, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm
I would like to ask everyone a question here…it is a bit off the subject but I would like to get a notion of how people think.
Do you think it should be a pre-requisite that out Commander-in-Chief should have military experience ?
Please….just a Y or N
Thanks
Posted by: Gregg | January 27, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
Based on the population of negroes, there are more of them on welfare than whites. Overall, whites make up more of the population, therefore, more would be on welfare.
Posted by: Katrina | January 27, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
“Remember people….it was the Republicans not Dems that pased the civil rights act during LBJ’s tenure. Bush has done more for minorities than Clinton even thought about.
Minorities should wake up and break free from the Democratic stronghold that keeps them down….quit voting for them and rise up”.
WOW!!!! what utter BS! LOL!LOL!LOL!
Please give examples of your statement…Enlighten us please!!!
Yeah minorities do need to rise up,and get the Republicans out of the Whitehouse!
Posted by: marge | January 27, 2008, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm
As a dedicated veteran and citizen, these political charades have been embarrassing at home and abroad. The MSM and red/blue parties are drinking each others’ bathwater. (Yes, I’m angry.)
I must agree with Will. Have you googled Ron Paul? Wow. MOVE OVER — I’m jumping on this bandwagon on pure principle.
Posted by: Ohsean | January 27, 2008, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
Ray,
The American electorate is, for the most part, not very intelligent. Their support for the Clintons even after Hill and Bill dragged us through the mud and dirt of his presidency shows they do not read too much.
Posted by: MikeinOhio | January 27, 2008, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
Military is a Plus but not essential if they are strong and a strategic thinker.
Posted by: Paris | January 27, 2008, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
I don’t know which candidate invokes “race” more — Hillary or Barack?
I think that Condi Rice is a much better choice for either a first female or black VP or President! Thanks for the suggestion!
Contrary to what some people suggest, blacks aren’t all blind followers of the ultra-liberal Democratic Party. Some of us (about 8-10%) still vote with our minds. I think that this is proportional with the amount of blacks who complete higher education degrees or serve in the military (at least, to an extent). Although it is difficult to be pointed at and considered “sell outs” by fellow African Americans or Democrats, we still vote our conscience. As a black man, I cannot vote for either Hillary or Barack.
My choice is for either McCain or Romney. The addition of Condi Rice would be wonderful! I would destroy the myth that is often perpetrated by the Democratic Party (and repeated by the media) that the Republican Party is exclusively white.
I find far more true tolerance in the Republican Party than with the Democrats.
Posted by: Terence Mouton | January 27, 2008, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm
marge says: “Minorities must rise and get Republicans out of the White House.”
I say: “WHY marge, WHY?” Has GW Bush targeted minorities in some way? Please, tell us WHY minorities would be better off with Hill or obama?
Posted by: TruthIsOutThere | January 27, 2008, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm
While Bill Clinton may not be led by any guiding morals or principles, he undoubtedly posesses commanding political skills. Even though Obama won SC handily, Bill’s efforts to portray Obama as the “Black Candidate” and liken him to Jesse Jackson seem to be taking hold. Obama may have similar success in other southern states, but don’t be suprised to see Hillary amass huge delegate counts on Super Tuesday. And don’t expect Bill to let up on this racial positioning if it continues to be effective.
Posted by: andyburns | January 27, 2008, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
“Traci,
It’s hard to argue with Kevin when 92% of blacks voted dem last cycle, with John Kerry as the candidate. Unfortunately, black people do tend to vote as a block”.
And “white” and “special interest”,Dont???
Posted by: marge | January 27, 2008, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
You campaigned, rallied,
marched, blogged, emailed,
and spent your hard-earned money
and time to support BARRACK OBAMA,
and all you’ll have to show for it
will be a lousy t-shirt that reads:
“Elect Hillary 2008″
…and that’s a cryin’ shame.
Posted by: David Lachnicht | January 27, 2008, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
Do you think it should be a pre-requisite that out Commander-in-Chief should have military experience ?
No, the best coaches/managers in sports never played professionally. An understanding of strategy and appointing a well qualified individual to secretary of defense is what is important to me. Far too many of Bush’s appointments came from the old Nixon administration.
Posted by: Gordon | January 27, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
How dare you put words in Clinton’s mouth…What a joke you are!!
Posted by: Kyle | January 27, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
Good post with excellent points, Terence. But don’t leave all of us Hispanics out too.
Yes, drafting Condi as the VP might be a wonderful strategy! She is a beautiful and capable woman!
Posted by: Mireya Ayala | January 27, 2008, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm
Can for once in my adult life – have a decent PRESIDENT.
Someone who comes on TV – speaks well, clearly articulates his views, someone that does not have baggage from his past hanging over his head.
If you vote for Hillary. It will be 4 years of Rush Limbaugh talking about “WHITEWATER” and the 8 years of the Bill Clinton Administration.
ALL OVER AGAIN.
CAN WE HAVE A CANDIDATE THAT HAS CLEAN HANDS – NOT PART OF THE ESTABLISHMENT.
I CAN NOT TAKE 4 more YEARS of more investigations into wrong doing.
WHEN WILL WE BE ABLE TO GET ON WITH THE BUSINESS OF RUNNING AMERICA?
CAN’T WE ALL JUST BE PROUD TO BE AMERICANS AGAIN?
Vote OBAMA. Get a FRESH START!
Posted by: kim | January 27, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm
I don’t know which candidate invokes “race” more — Hillary or Barack?
I think that Condi Rice is a much better choice for either a first female or black VP or President! Thanks for the suggestion!
Contrary to what some people suggest, blacks aren’t all blind followers of the ultra-liberal Democratic Party. Some of us (about 8-10%) still vote with our minds. I think that this is proportional with the amount of blacks who complete higher education degrees or serve in the military (at least, to an extent). Although it is difficult to be pointed at and considered “sell outs” by fellow African Americans or Democrats, we still vote our conscience. As a black man, I cannot vote for either Hillary or Barack.
My choice is for either McCain or Romney. The addition of Condi Rice would be wonderful! I would destroy the myth that is often perpetrated by the Democratic Party (and repeated by the media) that the Republican Party is exclusively white.
I find far more true tolerance in the Republican Party than with the Democrats.
Posted by: Terence Mouton | January 27, 2008, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
Marge,
Obviously not. White’s are very evenly split between Dems and Repubs. The average american isn’t a special interest. The special interests are the groups trying to manipulate demographic groups, such as african americans, women, young people, seniors…
Right now I would refer to the Clintons as a special interest group trying to influence specific demographic groups by using very underhanded tactics. Very Soros-like, if you ask me.
Posted by: KROVE | January 27, 2008, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
“Gary
I agree with your assumption somewhat. I think just a few Republicans have leaned to the left a bit. For the most part I think conservatives have stuck to there values. It’s the sign of the times that some will waiver in the Grand Old Party…..as far as the liberal dems, they are the party of what ever feels good now. No plan no vision no morals…we can’t afford four or eight more years of that again.
Mitt for President”
What we can’t afford is 8 more years of a candidate that agrees with the decisions and policys of George Bush!!!
But don’t lose heart…Mitt has enough money to BUY himself the nomination.
Posted by: marge | January 27, 2008, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm
Isn ‘t it pretty obvious at this point, after the Jesse jackson comment, that Mr. and Mrs. Clinton are really racist bigots who believe that black people and other minorities are beneath them. It is surprising to me that the press continues to surpress all of the racist comments that Mrs. Clinton has made over the years. But, the liberal media has been totally committed to the Clinton machine; maybe when it becomes so obvious to all what a truely repulsive couple this is that even the MSM may begin to print the truth. If we are now all seeing the angry Mr. Clinton in public, can you begin to imagine what goes on in the “backroom” ands what is said about anybody who opposes them. Look at the record, they destroy anybodsy who opposes them. These two people are indeed power hungry sociopaths who will stop at nothing to return to the Whitehouse, and Mr. Clinton is now just as scary as Mrs. Clinton.
Posted by: old progrmr | January 27, 2008, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm
CAN’T WE ALL JUST BE PROUD TO BE AMERICANS AGAIN?
I guess you are not old enough to remember Reagan, when most americans were proud to be Americans.
Posted by: kROVE | January 27, 2008, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm
How about everyone getting off their ass and get a job, raise a family with both parents, get your kids to school and get an education, be responsible and get your punk kid off the street, and quit stealing the honest working taxpaying people of America of their money….and everything would work out just fine. Quit being a burden on society. We don’t owe you lazy people a damn thing.
There is nowhere in the U.S. Constitution that says I have to pay for anything for anyone else…period !!
See how simple it is
Posted by: American | January 27, 2008, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm
The only thing unforgivable if you are black is to leave the Democratic plantation. You will face rebuke like Condi. I couldn’t believe Hillary’s LBJ/MLK comment. Basically black people need benevolent white masters to get things done, and they are those masters!! I salute those who think and do for themselves.
Posted by: Craig | January 27, 2008, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm
“How dare you put words in Clinton’s mouth…What a joke you are”!!
LOL!LOL!LOL! NOBODY has to put words in Bill Clinton’s mouth. LOL!LOL! he has made enough damaging statements ALL by himself. LOL!LOL!
Posted by: marge | January 27, 2008, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm
If Obama wins, the GOP will win for sure. SC doesn’t represent the U.S. and you better wake up before we lose again.
Posted by: Bill | January 27, 2008, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm
Bill hs proved he’s no black president. If Hillary gets the nom, blacks will vote republican in November.
Posted by: R.J. | January 27, 2008, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm
I thought it looked like anyone could run for president and finally we wouldn’t talk so much about race. Looks like that won’t happen. Obama is a serious contender so the Clintons now have to make it a “black” thing. Oh no! I can just hear the Clintons now…y’all better watch out or there’s going to be a darkie running the country!
I was very proud that Mr. Obama was running for president and people weren’t making the color of his skin an issue. I really thought we Americans might be making progress. He’s a man. Just a human being. Who cares what color his skin is. What does he stand for? Can he be a leader?
I’m republican, white and female, but I wish Mr. Obama the best.
Posted by: Lisa | January 27, 2008, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm
After reading these comments, I want to know how do so many mental patients get access to a computer? Thats what ABC needs to investigate.
Romney 08
Posted by: DK | January 27, 2008, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm
African-Americans may feel singled out by these comments, but the fact is that almost all Americans are beneath Bill and Hillary Clinton. They are a whole lot like Lieberman: corrupt to the bone, and completely self-absorbed.
Posted by: jpowalski | January 27, 2008, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm
Marge said about Bush…”The dumbest President on either side to ever occupy the Whitehouse.”
Marge, please be sure to tell whatever left wing website you got your talking points from that it is the “White House” not the Whitehouse. Two words, not one.
Posted by: kROVE | January 27, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm
“Bill hs proved he’s no black president. If Hillary gets the nom, blacks will vote republican in November.”
LOLOLOLOLOL!
Posted by: Jack Kennedy | January 27, 2008, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm
“If Obama wins, the GOP will win for sure. SC doesn’t represent the U.S. and you better wake up before we lose again”.
Maybe then we are “doomed” to lose. Because Hillary and Bill will not win either. If Hillary wins the nomination the Rebulican voters and some Dems will rally to keep The Clintons out of the Whitehouse.
The Rep and some Dems hate the Clintons.
There are a lot of people (believe it or not) that haven’t forgotten the scandals and lies to cover up the scandals.
And in the event they have,the GOP will gladly remind them.
Posted by: marge | January 27, 2008, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
Traci, you wrote: “Gas will be $4-$6 per gallon by that time.” Do you know WHY gasoline is so high? It’s because we haven’t had a new refinery in 20 years. It’s because the environmentalists (Liberals/Democrats) refuse to allow new drilling. BUT if you go back and read some of the speeches that the Democrats in Congress have given over the years, they want gasoline to cost EVEN MORE! They want us to pay as much as the Europeans pay — $6-$8 a gallon. They want to raise the federal tax on gasoline to $3-$4 per gallon.
Now talk about history! It was the Republicans who got the 1964 Civil Rights Act passed. The Southern Democrats filibustered the bill. But with the help of the Republicans they eventually got cloture on the bill. And the bill finally passed with 80% of the Republicans voting FOR the bill (20 of the 21 Southern Democrats voted AGAINST the bill).
Incidentally, between 1933 and 1964 there were 26 major civil rights votes in Congress. The majority of DEMOCRATS opposed these 80% of the time. Majority of the Republicans voted FOR these votes over 96% of the time.
Posted by: James Danley | January 27, 2008, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
Romney/Rice in 2008!!!
Obama or Hillary would be a DISASTER!
Posted by: Mireya Ayala | January 27, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
My respect for Bill Clinton has been restored. I have broken the code finally. He is a genius! How do you explain his undermining of the HRC campaign? Here’s why: Bill doesn’t want Hilary to be President. Think about it. Her loss will allow history to keep Bill in the spotlight and Hilary will be just a footnote. Brilliant! Utterly and superbly brilliant!
Posted by: Three Dollar Bill | January 27, 2008, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
JP: you said:
Traci, It is you who are the racist with such gratuitous statements. Lincoln was a Republican – the KKK Democrat. You do not know your history, but you understand propaganda. That is, repeat the the big lie that Republicans are racist and Democrats were the party of the Emancipation, often enough and it will become the truth. Keep preaching the racist propaganda Traci, I’m sure it will make you feel better.
—————————————
JP, these are just the facts.
I speak the truth. Read the blogs.
I read these things in amazement. There are so many racist, biggoted people still in this world.
During the time of Emancipation Proclamation there were more political party’s than just the two we are familiar with. So one can not really say, whether the Republicans or Democrats had more racists or not.
There however, right now in modern times. 2007. There are a LARGE PROPONDERANCE of KKK,Biggots, Race Seperatist, and RACE HATERS, who have aligned themselves with the Republican party.
You may not like this. But those are the facts. David Duke is a Republican,
Strom Thurman, Republican.
The list goes on. Most white folks, affiliatd with hatred towards minorities are Republicans. 99% of the time.
The Republican Party is the party of HATE.
Posted by: Traci | January 27, 2008, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm
I know that Dems won’t believe this, but as a life long Republican I have admit that I like Obama. I know his policies go against everything I believe, but I still like him. If Hillary was the Dems nominee, I’d have to vote for the Republican no matter who they were. If the choice is between McCain and Obama, then I’d have a much harder time in making my decision. I actually like Obama. I never thought I’d say that of a Democrat candidate.
Posted by: Romper Stomper | January 27, 2008, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm
“Marge, please be sure to tell whatever left wing website you got your talking points from that it is the “White House” not the Whitehouse. Two words, not one”.
LOL!LOL! Thanks for the correction…
However, that doesn’t negate the fact that there is a DUMMY in the WHITE HOUSE (two words)and his name is George W.
BTW,I have lived through this administration,so I didn’t have to get my “talking points” from any website.
I have experienced the lies and stupidity.
“
Posted by: marge | January 27, 2008, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm
Traci said: these are just the facts.
I speak the truth. Read the blogs.
Can you believe someone has stooped this low for the truth…BLOGS !!
Is this where our country is going. GOD help us
Posted by: America is #1 | January 27, 2008, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm
VIDEO–United States Senator Obama, standing before an urban black audience, REFUSES TO PUT HIS HAND OVER HIS HEART AS THE NATIONAL ANTHEM IS SUNG!–as if a US Senator doesn’t know that national protocol–LOL–Instead, he puts his hands where a hip hop artist would.
http://podblanc.com/?q=node/12086
Posted by: Craig Cobb | January 27, 2008, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm
Well said truthisoutthere !!
Marge and Traci are sisters attached at the political hip
Posted by: America is #1 | January 27, 2008, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
DID YOU HEAR THAT TED AND CAROLINE KENNEDY ARE ENDORSING OBAMA?
Posted by: BubbaHas | January 27, 2008, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
Just a simple question?
Who is minding the store in N.Y. while Hill and Bill are focesed on running the country over the breakfast table?
Posted by: fred | January 27, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
there is no downside to sucking up to obama now on the off chance he will win, but of course he wont win and if the dems nominate him they are truly inept
Posted by: Jack Kennedy | January 27, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
Ted (got away with murder) Kenndey. That’s who I would want in my corner !
hiccup
Posted by: America is #1 | January 27, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
Romper Stomper, I like Sen. Obama as well. He is very charismatic and a very likeable person. I can see how people flock to him. BUT he is a socialist who is pro-abortion and anti-business. He is in favor of womb-to-tomb universal health care. And he wants to raise taxes. While I may really like him as a person, I would never vote for him based solely on his ideology.
Posted by: James Danley | January 27, 2008, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
I am getting tired of the Klintons playing the “good cop-bad cop” race card. I wouldn’t trust either one with my most hated enemy’s kids, much less this country. As a white Republican, I am starting to look more at Obama being a better choice than the lack-luster candidates my party has given me.
Posted by: Don Wayne | January 27, 2008, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm
Nice headline. Nothing like a little accuracy in media, eh Jack?
Posted by: Sam | January 27, 2008, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
New data for the Democratic race in Florida shows Clinton still on top, but her lead is a bit smaller than earlier in the week.
Looking ahead on the Primary calendar, Obama leads in Georgia. However, Clinton leads Missouri, Alabama, California, New York, and New Jersey.
translation: Obama is a fluke, when the states who actually matter vote, Hillary will win, period
Posted by: Jack Kennedy | January 27, 2008, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
The Hill for prez I’m laughing all the way to the poor house What has she actually done in those 35 years just the legal activities please.
Posted by: Spudder | January 27, 2008, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
American, there are many things we follow blindly that are nowhere in the Constitution. (taxes, States’ rights, property rights) The beast has grown too large for most to have any hope of taming. It’s to the point where the servant has become the master.
Posted by: JK | January 27, 2008, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
hillary is Republican – Lite.
Posted by: kevin | January 27, 2008, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm
The real Clinton is starting to come out. He’s a closet racist and his wife is a thief and a liar. Anyone that votes for that witch is a cretin.
Posted by: Maharishi Swami Poobah | January 27, 2008, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm
The Clintons are so-quick to marginalize any black leader.
First, Hillary downplays MLK by saying it took a (white) president to make civil rights a law.
Now, “Bubba” Bill is connecting Obama to JJ and dismissing him as a serious leader
Somethings never change. Clintons are all about holding on to the power and dismissing any non-white leader with their own words.
Posted by: kevin | January 27, 2008, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm
As a conservative, I deplore the Clintons. They are both phoney. I trust them as far as I can throw them.
Obama, at least, comes across as an honorable person. Hillary is toast.
Posted by: Forest Gump | January 27, 2008, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm
No one will have to “play” the race card in order for it to dominate the general election. If Harold Ford with all he had going for him couldn’t win in Tennesee, it’s not clear how any black Democrat is going to win any Red state any time soon. And the only Blue state he could count on would be the idylic ethanolland we know as Iowa. Forget about New York and California. The Big Blue states have a culture of inter-ethnic turf contention not seen anywhere else. Plus tons of first and second generation immigrants from China, Russia, Korea, Eastern Europe and yes Mexico, who didn’t get here in time for the 60′s, so all of Obama’s inspirational JFK & MLK rhetoric is completely lost on them. Maybe that’s why they tend to vote like white sheriffs in the Jim Crow South. Obama would be lucky to break even in the major cities while losing 2 to 1 in the suburbs. Say hello to President-elect Robot Romney or Field Marshall McCain or Police State Rudy. Like Ralph Nader before him, Obama’s premature career move is going to be the best thing that ever happened for the GOP. And it is THAT, and not mere Hillary hatred, that makes the right wing pundits on FOX NEWs cheer his every move with so much enthusiasm.
Posted by: Older and Wiser | January 27, 2008, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm
The title to your article is disingenuous. There is a big difference between saying Barak Obama enjoyed similar success in winning the South Carolina primary as Jackson did in ‘84 and ‘88, as opposed to saying “Obama is just like Jesse Jackson” as far as political outlook, stands, and goals. I am a John McCain backer, and don’t care for Obama. I DO think Obama is more liberal than the moderate image he is trying to portray, but I don’t think Obama is an extremist (or that Bill Clinton is implying that) like Jesse Jackson. Or is he?
Posted by: Elmer | January 27, 2008, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm
Wow, id have to agree that he is definetly painting Obama as the black candidate. He should have used a less obvious example. He will just say that it was taken out of context or something stupid.
Posted by: Nate K | January 27, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm
I could read these comments all day! Americans are THE political animals par excellence! Too bad so few of you realize this election is a non starter since your country under the baboon president has already lost the real race, the one for world ascendancy. Women and blacks may finally grasp the brass ring, but the ring is hollow and the brass is tarnished. You’ve had your century, Yank, don’t ask for another- for here comes China- better run, big brother!
Posted by: Canada Dry | January 27, 2008, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
Hillary and Bill will not make it… Most persons are tired of the “clinton” machine-he was fired for heavens sake. The economy is going thru it’s typical cyclical round-the baby boomers have bought their houses. Now we need more oil. we need to get rid of chavez as well as other renagade jerks. A good ticket IMOO would be Obamma or McCain with Rice at their side or even better Rice with an unknown. I just wish she would step up!!!!! There ust be something holding her bacl?!?!?
Posted by: marc | January 27, 2008, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
James you said:
Now talk about history! It was the Republicans who got the 1964 Civil Rights Act passed. The Southern Democrats filibustered the bill. But with the help of the Republicans they eventually got cloture on the bill. And the bill finally passed with 80% of the Republicans voting FOR the bill (20 of the 21 Southern Democrats voted AGAINST the bill).
Incidentally, between 1933 and 1964 there were 26 major civil rights votes in Congress. The majority of DEMOCRATS opposed these 80% of the time. Majority of the Republicans voted FOR these votes over 96% of the time.
As I have said before on another post.
Black folks have not always been in the democratic party. ****Most black folks were Republicans first.****
The Democratic Party was the Biggest racist before the civil rights legislation passed. They wanted to maintain the “Old South” they did not want to give black folks any civil rights. when the legislation passed most of Demomocrats shifted over to WHERE THE POWER was -Republican Party.
They brought with them their sick and twisted – racist ideaology as well.
They joined the Republican party in order to advance their own personal agendas — at that time the Republican party had all the power, it could help the Old Good Ole boys keep their business’ from failing. So they swithced.
***When the Republican Party, became aligned and infiltrated with the racist, kkk, biggots, and the Haters. They NEVER rebuked them.
That’s when the Democratic party saw the error of their ways and became the party for “everybody”. They wanted POWER. What was left was the “New Democrats”.
That’s when all the black folk shifted to the democratic party. Not because of the democrats did everything for them. It was because all of the racist-people who wanted to maintain the “OLD SOUTH” were now REPUBLICANS.
Just as people switch parties for personal gain today. That is what happend then. The Democrats only became the party for “everyone”, to gain POWER. They basically REINVENTED THEMSELVES.
Posted by: Traci | January 27, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
Jeez. Could you have twisted what was said any more? No wonder the mainstream media isn’t trusted by the public anymore.
Posted by: Tim Pistep | January 27, 2008, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
CraigCobb:
Can you stop with the video of Obama with hands in front of him – standing RESPECTFULLY.
AS I KEEP saying to you:
OUR KIDS in SCHOOL CAN NOT SAY:
“One nation under GOD, indivisible with liberty and jusctice for all”…anymore.
I THINK THAT IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN WHERE OBAMA had his hands during the singing of the National Anthem.
By the way, do you know all of the words to the National Anthem?
NO
Posted by: Kim | January 27, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
it FRIGHTENS me that there are still ignorant idiots out there spouting off about the whole Obama is a Muslim allegation. If you take the time to circulate such mis-information, why not take the time to research for 3 minutes and find out that Obama has never been Muslim (not that it should really matter too much anyway), was sworn in on a BIBLE, and did not attend a Madrassa (a rumor which was debunked nearly A YEAR AGO by CNN).
PAY ATTENTION, STOP BEING SO IGNORANT, PLEASE
Posted by: Sean, Detroit | January 27, 2008, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
Uhhhh…Bill…your stuck in the 90′s here.
I think a big chuck of America just proved it has moved on and way past this race thing you keep bringing up!
Give it up Bill…it’s not going to work…just keep on trying to divide us because Obama is uniting us.
Posted by: A White Texan for Obama | January 27, 2008, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm
When will racism ever end?
It is apparently what some people teach their children. STILL in 2007.
We need to live in a country where we all are AMERICANS.
I assure you the terrorist – could care less if you are black, white or purple.
When the suicide bomb goes off, the just know they have killed – AMERICANS.
Posted by: kim | January 27, 2008, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm
Bill Clinton has said that William Fulbright was his mentor. Fulbright was a known segregationist who voted against the civil rights act of 1964.If the Clintons were conservative republicans , the mainstream media would have made sure that everyone knew this. But since they are the liberal darlings and heroes of the msm it is swept under the rug. But we should expect nothing more from them. But Clintons racist attitudes and true comtempt are really beginning to show.whatever is inside of you WILL come to the surface. It always does.
Posted by: Joe Graham | January 27, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
I see the uninformed are out in droves. To those of you who think it was the GOP who pushed through the Civil Rights Act, that’s when the GOP still lacked the influence of the Christian Coalition, Moral Majority, Religious Right. NO, those folks weren’t “Southern Democrats,” they’re STILL the Religious Right. The same folks who objected to LBJ today oppose anyone who doesn’t agree with their theocratic, chiliastic agenda as being “RiNOs” or worse; they also oppose Affirmative Action and other measures today the same way they did then. LBJ’s greatest barrier wasn’t Southern Democrats, it was the white church leaders — evangelicals — the same people who moved to another party in the 1970s and 1980s and now lay an ersatz claim to have been of the party that helped pass it. But I’m here to call you out for being the liars and demagogues you really are.
Posted by: vlad | January 27, 2008, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm
TruthIsOutThere:
Wait, so the religion someone is born into, over which they have no say, is more important than the religion they ultimately choose?
I just want to make sure I’m understanding you correctly. If someone is born to non-practicing Muslim parents, but later becomes baptized and then practices Christianity, you consider them a Muslim and not a Christian?
Funny, I thought Christianity was defined by its followers’ free will in choosing their faith.
Your argument is that the Muslim doctrine says, “Once a Muslim, always a Muslim.” But if someone doesn’t actually believe in that doctrine in the first place, how could it possibly define them better than their own stated beliefs?
According to your logic, because my mother is an atheist, non-practicing Jew, that makes me a practicing and very devout Jew (because in the Jewish tradition, you are considered Jewish if your mother is Jewish). I’m very surprised to learn this, considering this year I didn’t even know it was Hanukkah until one of my non-Jewish friends wished me a happy holiday. And then a few weeks later I celebrated Christmas with much more enthusiasm.
And all of this doesn’t even bring up a much bigger question: Even if Obama was Muslim, why exactly would that be a big deal?
Posted by: rafi | January 27, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm
People have forgotten how the Clinton’s sold America out. Remember Al Gore’s campaign scandal and Wen Ho Lee (the guy who sold U.S. nuc secrets to China) Chinagate, anyone? Bueller? You think there isn’t a connection? Who REALLY funded (and is still funding) the Clinton political machine? Not our friends (if we even have any). China and internationalists bent on lowering U.S. influence and standard of living, especially that of the American middle class.
Posted by: Elmer | January 27, 2008, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm
Careful Obama. Ted might ask you to go for a “drive” with him to discuss it!
Posted by: boB | January 27, 2008, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm
Bill Continues To “Niggerize” Obama
Yeah, I don’t use that word much. In fact, I may use it once every few years. And when it does get used, I’m usually spun up over something. Well, Bill Clinton did it this time:January 26, 2008 8:18 PM
Posted by: DarkStar Spouts Off | January 27, 2008, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm
rafi — you’re casting pearls before swine. Those who parrot the tripe from mass e-mails about someone’s name (that he didn’t get to choose for himself) or parents (whom he likewise did not get to choose) or where he spent his childhood (which he did not get to choose) and overlook his adult conversion to Christianity aren’t telling you about Obama’s character. They’re showing you the lack of their own.
Posted by: vlad | January 27, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm
vlad-
Still though, you’d think you’d be able to get through to at least one of them. Is it really too much to ask to get people to think more critically about how they form their opinions?
Maybe I’m too idealistic. :) But I do like that hope is coming back in fashion through Obama’s campaign. Idealism and realism don’t have to be mutually exclusive.
Cheers.
Posted by: rafi | January 27, 2008, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm
I cannot imagine anyone wouldgive clinton another time in office! he was impeached by his peers for heavens sake!!! Please… You shouldn’t even think about him or her for that matter. they are just playing games. I bet have their own bedrooms too. I wish we had a better alternative. All the canidates are lame! Wake up Rice and go for it!!!!
Posted by: marc | January 27, 2008, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm
So Truthisoutthere, if my father was born a muslim, then says “ah its a bunch of b.s., I’m an atheist”, you’re saying it doesn’t matter to a muslim, they still think he is a muslim. I’d venture to say you are wrong and that other muslims would call him an infidel. I think this argument is baloney and that you’ve been reading to many right wing websites.
Posted by: Harry Nutzack | January 27, 2008, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm
why are democrats so fearful if Obama is labeled a Muslin? It should’nt mean a hill of beans one way or the other. reminds me of the “not that there is anything wrong with it” Seinfeld episode. If anything, Obama should now proudly proclaim he is a devout Muslin to show it doesn’t matter to true democrats what his religion is.
Posted by: steve | January 27, 2008, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm
I have voted republican democrat republican the last three presidential races. If Clinton succeeds in destroying the best candidate out there (Obama) not only will I vote republican again, I will get actively involved to make sure it happens. What a joke this is turning into.
Posted by: joe | January 27, 2008, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm
I’m a swing voter. I voted for Reagan, Bush Sr (the first time around), was upset when Clinton won, then came around and voted for him the second time. I can tell you this, if Hillary is the nominee, I’m voting Republican no matter who the nominee is.
Posted by: Derek | January 27, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
In answer to Greggs question: Do you think it should be a pre-requisite that our Commander-in-Chief should have military experience?
No
Posted by: Rob | January 27, 2008, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
rafi – I, too, am an optimist. My experience, though, has shown me that it’s difficult convincing people who get their information from chainletters or Rush Limbaugh. FWIW, I’m neither Democrat nor an Obama supporter. I will vote for McCain in my state’s primary. Partly because I think he’s the best candidate in either party and partly because Limbaugh insists he isn’t. :-)
Posted by: vlad | January 27, 2008, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
GO FOR IT OBAMA FROM YOUR REPUBLICAN SUPPORTERS!
I have been a registered Republican for almost 20 years my Dad has been for over 50 years extra. We have been dedicated committeemen for years. I am the first to admit that our party has failed! I will say this…If Obama runs against McCain, our family is going to vote Obama. By the way McCain does not even have support in his own district or neighborhood. Look at the records! If the canidates are Hillary and McCain (not a true Republican) we are staying home (maybe get off our arm chairs so we don’t have to listen to scratching nails against the chalkboard.) Obama has spirit…voters of the Democratic party please join together get your friends and family out to your polls and please vote Obama. I can’t stand McCain or Clinton. I would vote Romney but I would be suprise if he gets a chance to represent. Please get out and vote. Go to the polls with youor friends and family. This is the American right to vote. Take advantage of your right and please send the Clintons home. The Clintons are ruthless and it willl be a tough fight but it can be done. Sound the alarm to go and vote for Obama! Send Obama to the White House. It is time for the citizens of this country to send a message.
Posted by: OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT | January 27, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
This is the first election in my lifetime where the outcome is so obvious. Clinton is going to win the nomination through dirty tricks to smear obama and DEMOCRAT voter predjudice against obama for being black. Many fear he will lose because of his race despite being the best candidate. Then, Republicans are going to win in a landslide come November over Hillary. Glory!!
Posted by: LMAO | January 27, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
Traci – I really didn’t want to have to answer you – your depth of understanding being thinner than the skin covering your body, no matter the color.
Let me ask you a simple question – let’s say you are in your 30′s and have a 5 year old daughter. Then you die. How much does your daughter know you at that point? How much can she EVER know you (that is not polluted by the bias of the one telling her the stories?) Vs how much do your friends and acquantances and peers know you? Those who’ve watched your life unfold? Think about it. Read Caroline’s essay (I did) The ONLY thing she says of BHO’s ‘record’ is that he made the right call by opposing the war in Iraq from the beginning. I would argue that Caroline is wrong on that for 2 reasons – 1 is that Obama had no standing to oppose the war in the beginning so it mattered not even if it was true and 2 that the war in Afghanistan and Iraq were the right things to do for innumerable reasons. I believe (I do not KNOW but I believe ) that her father would have done the same as Bush did. He would not have cowered in the face of extreme threats to our nation just as he proved during the Cuban missile crisis.
Caroline can endorse whomever she wants, the point is, if she wants to endorse someone who is “like her father” Obama is NOT the candidate who fits that mold. There is only one who comes close, and it is not a democrat. Many knowledgable pundits agree that, were Jack Kennedy alive today, he’d be a moderate Republican politically.
Posted by: TruthIsOutThere | January 27, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
This is the beginning of the end for Bill Clinton and Hillary. People are consistently underestimating the potential in the Obama campaign. I see a lot of upsets lining up for Feb. 5th.
Posted by: Matt | January 27, 2008, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm
steve – I don’t think Democrats care whether he’s Muslim or not. The point is, HE ISN’T. What problem do you have with that and why do you insist people should say he’s what he isn’t? What does that show about your own character, or lack thereof?
Posted by: vlad | January 27, 2008, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
More and more I’m hearing comments about ‘hope’. The return of ‘hope’, America finds ‘hope’ again. Can someone please tell me if they really believe we are bereft of ‘hope’. Hope for what? Exactly what has become hope-less. I think it’s just another annoying, adolescent, political folk-song. Not unlike the notion of ‘uniting the country’. Stop and think do you really want to live in a ‘united’ country? Okay,class, let’s name some ‘united’ countries from history.
Posted by: Trouble from Taos | January 27, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
kid cid, you sound like one of those people who equate 9/11 with Iraq.
Posted by: Doug | January 27, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
Yeah, Bill is proving himself to be more and more like Lee Atwater.
Posted by: Thomas | January 27, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
Mr. Clinton, I thought you were a decent president. However, I think that Barack Obama would be a much better president than your wife. Barack Obama is somebody the American people can trust. Stop playing the race card against him!!!!!!!
Posted by: Michael | January 27, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
Anybody who believes that Obama is going to get the Democrat nomination is really not dealing with reality very well. SHE is going to win the nomination, not because of her boorish, over-the-hill husband who won’t go away, but in spite of him because of the hugh machine she has, which includes the MSM. Obama has none of the character flaws and personality disorders that SHE does, is a nice guy, etc., but he ain’t got a chance.
This is really good news for the GOP, because most of the country will not vote for her and the Dems will have more potential voters sitting out the election than the GOP.
Posted by: donald duck | January 27, 2008, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
vlad- the response to the statement that obama is a muslin should be “it doesn’t matter what his religon is” instead of the frantic “HE IS NOT A MUSLIN” we are hearing from democrats
Posted by: steve | January 27, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
TruthIsOutThere:
Yeah, I already responded to that argument, remember? Here, I’ll post it again for you. If you still don’t get it, I’ll rewrite it using smaller words:
“Your argument is that the Muslim doctrine says, ‘Once a Muslim, always a Muslim.’ But if someone doesn’t actually believe in that doctrine in the first place, how could it possibly define them better than their own stated beliefs?”
Which you ironically didn’t respond to…
As far as why it would matter if a Muslim were president, well, you didn’t answer that one either. Being a Muslim does not equal being a terrorist.
Posted by: rafi | January 27, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
“You can fool some of the people…” How many times do the Clintons have be shown for what they are before some people get the point. These are not nice people. These are not people you would invite into your home. and if you did you would count the silverware after they left. But what is sad is the some people who are fooled all the time will support and defend these two beyond all logical and rational reason. Why? Because they are so “lovable”? The sooner they retire and disappear from the political scene the better.
Posted by: Richard | January 27, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
Uggh! Even in the clean cold air of Canada one has to stop one’s nose against Hillary’s reeking hypocrisy . One of her most ardent backers, a founding Quean of feminism, famously observed that a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle. But there’s only one way across the Potomac for the Ms.Tearyeyes and that’s on a bicycle built for two.
Posted by: Canada Dry | January 27, 2008, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm
Yes, I wonder why Bill would even mention Jesse Jackson in the up till now, the completely colorblind nature and coverage of this election race. It’s not like Obama or his campaign has ever invoked the name of MLK Jr. Oh…wait…
OK, nevermind, it’s only racist to use the name of a black pariah like Jesse Jackson in comparison to Obama. Bill should of known that…shame on him!
Posted by: Mike | January 27, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm
As a well seasoned man of color, I must remind the young black cats out there that when or if Miss Daisy wins the election she will not be feeding you Fancy Feast like the rest of us. You had better get used to Macy Cheese or plain PB&J because you have not been her good little kittens. Time to pull in your claws a little.
Posted by: GradyJay | January 27, 2008, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm
Bubba is sick!! Wagging the finger just doesn’t do it any more! Get a life!
Posted by: Chukkal | January 27, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
As far as why it would matter if a Muslim were president, well, you didn’t answer that one either. Being a Muslim does not equal being a terrorist.
Posted by: rafi | Jan 27, 2008 2:38:26 PM
Please elect obama! He’s my man!
Posted by: OBL | January 27, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm
There are countless politicians Bill could have compared Obama to. However, he chose Jessie. What the heck, they all look alike anyways. Don’t they?
Give me a break.
Posted by: Dosen't matter | January 27, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm
Caroline Kennedy ??? Who care what Caroline Kennedy thinks or whom she endorses! NObama like JFK ??? That is HILLARYOUS ! Seems many posters here also forget… JFK was elected in 1960 by the closest margin ever! until GWB in 2000! *AND* with a hundreds time more voter FRAUD! dead voters, lost ballots, multiple cast ballots, and so on… then there were hanging chads in Florida 2000.
Posted by: Oracle Magnus | January 27, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm
I sure would like to see the entire exchange because the reporting I’ve seen has been so unprofessional that I do not believe anything the press reports anymore about the Clinton’s unless I see it for myself. Last week when they reported Clnton’s outburst what the tape revealed was a slow considerate response.
Posted by: jrterrier | January 27, 2008, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm
taos: you said:
More and more I’m hearing comments about ‘hope’. The return of ‘hope’, America finds ‘hope’ again. Can someone please tell me if they really believe we are bereft of ‘hope’. Hope for what? Exactly what has become hope-less. I think it’s just another annoying, adolescent, political folk-song. Not unlike the notion of ‘uniting the country’. Stop and think do you really want to live in a ‘united’ country? Okay,class, let’s name some ‘united’ countries from history.
______________________________________
What’s hope-less?
Americans are HATED around the world.
Americans hate other Americans
Americas’ economy is gone to hell
Americans spend more time worrying about Brintey Spears than their own children.
Amercia’s school systems are the worst in the world
America’s children are on Ritalin
America parents – don’t parent anymore.
We don’t have family values. Most people don’t even eat dinner together at the dining room table.
America is OBESE. We don’t even walk to the school bus stop. We drive our kids there and wait for the bus to take them to school.
America’s schools rate 2nd to last, with other other children in the world.
America – has lost it’s way.
We don’t care about our neighbors anymore. Most of you can’t tell me all the names of the people who live on our street.
Americans don’t take care of our wounded or our VETs when they come home.
Americans can’t afford to become ill.
Americans can’t afford to get old.
America’s children spend most of their time being programmed by a television.
We can do better!
It’s not not a catchy campaign theme
we have lost our way. We have lost HOPE for a better tomorrow.
Posted by: Traci, | January 27, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm
The Clinton’s are simply slick opportunists who’s only goals are power and Socialism. Eight years was enough.
Posted by: USAFirst | January 27, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
Scooter Libby is a crook
Posted by: Traci | January 27, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm
The Clintons are a very clever manipulative and ruthless couple that will do everything and anything to achieve the power of the White House once again. What bothers me the most is that people can’t see that they (Bill & Hillary) are playing the race card once again! They are alienating the blacks against the whites, and knowing that there are a much lower percentage of black voters countrywide, they don’t care if they alienate the black vote against the white vote because they think that because the whites will vote in favor of them as a protest to the blacks voting for Obama, that they will win the democratic nomination.
The Clintons are a disgrace to the Presidency and people who insist that an impeached president is going to help an opportunist as Hillary are on the wrong side of the tracks. Obama, who has rallied the people and won in two out of four states, is an inspiration to all people, especially young democrats.
I am a registered Republican and will vote for Rudy Giuliani because he is a very proven tax cutter, quality of life enhancer, and he brought dignity back to New York City, something that the NY Times has a problem with. Mayor Giuliani has converted this crime and grime infected city to an extremely respectable level. He provided by endorsement mayor Bloomberg with a downtrend of crime that the new mayor was able to feast on. Because of the Giuliani’s support of Bloomberg during the campaign process, Bloomberg was able to become Mayor of NYC. Had it not been for Mayor Giuliani’s endorsement and campaigning for Bloomberg, Mike would have been NOBODY. Bloomberg would be sitting back in a big leather chair watching crime go up as Mark Greene becomes Mayor of NYC. The current Mayor is not only ungrateful to Mayor Giuliani; he is an egotistic sappy, wishy washy personality that I would never elect to office, especially the presidency.
Frank
Brooklyn, NY
Posted by: Frank | January 27, 2008, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm
James: nothing you said was original.
Everything you said – came straight from RUSH LIMBAUGH. up to and including the Toyota comment.
Do you have an original thought, or do only repeat what ever Rush says?
Posted by: Traci | January 27, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
I think it is sad to have a former president to act like Bill Clinton. He is using race to split up the demcratic party. The only people who will fall for this are ignorant people. People who do not question race at all. Obama is a good person, a good candidate and this is horrible. It is horrible to have your own party members turn against you like this… I am hurt as a woman of color to be democratic at this point. If Obama does not get the nomination, the party will never the same for many people of ALL COLORS!
Posted by: M. Lewis | January 27, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
Bill Clinton is just being himself.
When his vitriol was trained on Republicans few people noticed because most of the press supported his statements and marveled at how cleverly he lied. Now that he is attacking a fellow Democrat, it is a national sensation.
Posted by: Prairie Dog | January 27, 2008, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm
I’m tired of the Obama claims that he’s beyond partisanship. The real question is
what is he going to do if the Republicans flatly refuse to vote for his policies ?
Will he force through a budget by a single Democratic vote (like Clinton in 1993)
or will he keep watering down his policies (like the Senate Democrats) and still
have the Republicans vote it down (like Clinton’s health plan in 1994) ?
“Sitting down listening to people, recognizing everybody’s concerns, seeing other
people’s points of views and then making decisions” sounds nice but it is useless
with the Republicans — Bob Dole even voted against the healthcare bill that he
introduced after the Republican strategy became to oppose any healthcare plan !
The true problem is the unrelenting Republican partisanship. Right after Clinton’s
election in 1992, Dole said that he would oppose Clinton’s policies, in contrast to
the Democrats who started playing nice with Bush even while Gore was contesting
the Florida results !
Posted by: Wil Burns | January 27, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm
I will be delighted to vote for Barack Obama if he is the nominee, but that does not transform every comment that traces his success in South Carolina to galvanizing black voters, as Jesse Jackson creditably did, as “race-baiting.” A fairer interpretation of Bill Clinton’s remarks is that he was looking to excuse his wife’s anticipated defeat.
But fair interpretation is not the goal — is it? — where the Clintons are concerned.
Posted by: roddy | January 27, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
Obama is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
Although I am not worried about his chances of winning, the fact that a religious conservative is masquerading as a progressive would make me vote republican before I would ever cast a vote for him. He thinks the gay vote is dispensable — he’s very wrong!
Posted by: mary lynch | January 27, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
This is political genius of the first order. Bill WILL get Obama painted as nothing but a minor black candidate, Hillary will reach out to the black community before the general election, and since she’ll be offering the world in govt giveaways versus Romney or McCain offering tax breaks, they will forgive her.
Bill Clinton is a freaking genius. An immoral, “what’s in it for me” genius.
Posted by: Scott | January 27, 2008, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm
Here’s two for the price of one–elect Barack Obama and you will have an inspirational, thoughtful, intelligent leader who this nation deserves, plus you will be able to get rid of the Clintons once and for all! Yes we can (and we will)!!!
Posted by: Gordon | January 27, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
Mr. Trapper, just report the news and keep your comments out of it, your suppose to be a journalist! The facts nothing but the facts and tell your brothers and sisters in arms to do the same as we frankly don’t give a damn about your opinions.
Posted by: W. Crawford | January 27, 2008, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm
Traci, the African-Americans crossing over to the Democratic Party wasn’t exactly that way. And it wasn’t quite as simple either.
For obvious reasons (Emancipation Proclamation) when African-Americans were given the right to vote — with the passage of the 15th Amendment in 1870 — they registered as Republicans. During Reconstruction in the South, African-Americans had prominent roles. Many were elected to state offices. There were twenty African-American Republicans elected to the U. S. House of Representatives. And even two African-Americans were elected to the U. S. Senate.
However, with the Compromise of 1877, Republicans agreed to withdraw federal involvement in the affairs of the southern states. This effectively ended Reconstruction. And the Republican Party pretty much left the South — leaving the African-American Republicans to fend for themselves. At the same time, the Democratic Party in the South (with the help of the KKK) greatly suppressed the African-Americans’ right to vote. No one would enforce the 15th Amendment. And African-American appeals to the National Republican Party fell on deaf ears. Segregation began.
Then in 1883 the U. S. Supreme Court ruled that the 1875 Civil Rights Act was unconstitution, saying that the federal government could not bar discrimination by corporations and individuals. That made it even easier to suppress the African-American vote in the South.
Republican President William McKinley completely ignored the plight of the African-Americans in the South. However, Republican President Theodore Roosevelt reversed that policy in his first term. He appointed African-Americans to federal positions. And he publically condemned the lynchings. BUT in his second term, President Roosevelt, discharged three companies of African-American soldiers who were accused of not informing on fellow soldiers charged with terrorizing the people of Brownsville, Texas. Then Republican President William Howard Taft took office. He reverted back to the policies of President McKinley. Republican President Herbert Hoover also ignored what was happening to the African-Americans in the South. In fact he made things worse by appointing racist whites to federal positions.
With the Republican presidents (not reflecting the overall will of the Republican Party) turning their backs on African Americans, the African-Americans were ready to bolt from the Republican Party. And that is what they did during the Great Depression, which gave them the opportunity to leave the South in what has become the Great Migration. As many as 7 million African-Americans fled the rural South for the North and Midwest. When they were able to re-register they switched to the Democratic Party — the party that had disenfranchised them.
Since then, the Democratic Party gave many African-Americans cheap, if not free, housing and free food stamps. But many had been held hostage to the old welfare system. And they have had to endure the drug infested and gang controlled projects. And, even now, it is just as difficult for many who want to get out of the projects and free themselves of the governments enslavement.
Once again the Republican Party is trying to attract the African-American electorate. Republicans want to expand on the record home ownership by African-Americans that has occurred since welfare reform. To that goal, Republicans want to give all parents — but especially African-American parents — the opportunity to pull their children out of failing schools by offering school vouchers. Being in better schools will increase the graduation rate of African-Americans. Then millions more African-Americans will have the skills to be successful in the business world. For many African-Americans sports and the music industry are the only way to succeed. But competion is so fierce that only a small percentage actually succeed. Yet with a better education more African-Americans will be able to find success in the arts and sciences, and certainly have more opportunities at becoming entrepreneurs.
Republicans offer hope and a bright future for African-Americans. The Democrats only offer the same old rhetoric.
Posted by: James Danley | January 27, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
Hey Truthisoutthere
I bet you’re the kind of Republican who would agree to tax cuts even if it increases the national debt. Its the not so true conservatives like yourself who don’t understand the dynamics of the national debt and the “debt tax” that burdens all of us and our children. This is true of most of the Republican candidates as well. Take Romney: “We need to fix Washington because Washington is broken”. Funny how he is talking about 8 years of his own party running the country and then spouts off ideas that are more of the same.
Posted by: True Conservative | January 27, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
Oh, come now James Danley, surely you dont think you can fool a liberal democratic socialist like Traci with actual historical fact and modern-day reason, do you?
Posted by: TruthIsOutThere | January 27, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
True Con – Um, how did u get there from what I’ve written? Seems you just want to attack a non-democrat. Why dont you try to say something of import? Make a case from A to B. GO on, you can do it. Think back (or ahead) to 5th grade.
Posted by: TruthIsOutThere | January 27, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm
TruthIsOutThere,
Still waiting for a response. I can try to repost in different colors for you so it’s prettier, if that’ll help.
Posted by: rafi | January 27, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm
I am outraged by this story. I saw the ORGINAL clip of the reporters question. He FIRST asked Bill whether Obama could win as a black candidate…then added the second part of the question. The media CUT the first part, then accused Bill of injecting ‘race’ (with Jesse Jackson) into this response. These tactics are increasingly alarming to me and show that the media is not only deliberately trying to “spin” again Bill Clinton, they are stealing the election from the American people. People need to stand up to this — it is WRONG!
Posted by: D.Campbell | January 27, 2008, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm
Far Out there, oh sorry, Truthisoutthere:
I’m not a democrat, I’m registered Republican. I’m tired of so-called Republicans like yourself who have destroyed our party. If you want to have an intelligent converstation, fine. Please let me know why you think its ok that 20% of the national budget is consumed by servicing of the debt at the same time increasing spending?
Posted by: True Conservative | January 27, 2008, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm
True COn – I never even said I’m a Republican. Perhaps you inferred it?
Certainly it is not I who is destroying the Republican party. I’m not even a registered repub. Perhaps then it is YOU, since you’re a member in good standing apparently. I see the repubs just as a less intrusive and dangerous bunch of thieving liars than the Democrats. That is all.
Please, talk about Hillary and Obama or go somewhere else.
Posted by: TruthIsOutThere | January 27, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm
TruthIsOutThere, you may be right. But when I make a comment, even if directed to a specific individual, I always keep in mind that there are many others who will read my reply.
Posted by: James Danley | January 27, 2008, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm
WW – that’s quite a post there. I haven’t read Obama’s books but dont doubt for a second that that is what’s in there. Hatred of whites. It’s pretty much a staple on the table of African-Americans.
For a more recent quote illustrating just where Obi’s coming from re: uniting America, here’s what he said on Al Sharpton’s radio show appx 2 weeks ago: “Yes, when America is in a recession, WE are in a depression.” That’s right, folks, Obama does NOT see himself as an American, rather as a black person – an outsider in America. And that’s where he would govern from.
Posted by: TruthIsOutThere | January 27, 2008, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm
Out there: Ok, well what party are you affiliated with?
Posted by: True Conservative | January 27, 2008, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm
You all keep arguing about Obama vs. Hillary. I’m a McCain guy and he will win the Republican nomination (if the Republicans are smart!). McCain is sensible and won’t follow the failed policies of Bush! McCain 2008!
Posted by: Newport | January 27, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
James you were starting to make sense until you started into this plight of who can save the African-American.
When given an opportunity to compete fairly, without discrimination. Black Folks do well.
The music industry and sports are not the only areas that black folks can do well in. It’s THE ONLY ONE YOU SEE on TV.
There are large numbers of Black Scientist, Engineers, Physicians, Attorneys, Executives, Managers, Nurses, CEO of Corporations, Wall Street Brokers, Auto Designer, Airline pilots.
In almost every industry there are Black folks that are doing extremely well. The Chairman of American Express is a Black Man- Kenneth Chenault. We rarely ever see a story on him.
But I get bombarded with stories of 50 cent and anyone with a set of gold teeth.
The only career the MEDIA choses to show, are the little Rappers and the ATHLETES. They perpetuate the sterotype that “this is all you can be or ever will be.” Everyone CHILDREN – are sucked into what EVER THE MEDIA says, it how the world is.
We fight every day to change the images of what our children see on TV – that is another reason that I am going to vote for Obama. He reminds our children you can me more – much-much more. Bill and Hilliary – remind us all of a time gone by.
Thank you for the posting of the History of the Republican party. It appears as though both parties have a love-hate relationship with people of color. The Republicans will never gain favor again. People of color do not want a free ride – as you insinuated.
They won’t a fair and equal opportunity.
As you have shown in your post.
America has never really ever allowed that course of action happen. Someone either renegged on a promise or they over turned the legislation.
With the republican party fool of the folks like david duke or strom thurman. never again will the republican party see large numbers of people of color.
AND IT looks like Hillary and Bill are about to find out as well – We don’t forget.
Posted by: Traci | January 27, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm
Bill Clinton was just stating a fact. Jesse Jackson won SC but he did not win the nomination. The press was pushing Clinton like he should just throw up his hands and give it up for the smooth operator from Chicago. You are so afraid of the truth. Keep on living in your fairy tale. If a viable candidate ever comes along again, I hope he won’t be a pied piper on the one hand and a smooth operator friend of someone like Rezko on the other hand.
Posted by: Wil Burns | January 27, 2008, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
and bill clinton is just like his segregationist mentor.
senator j. william fulbright.
what has bill clinton ever done for black people?
give one accomplishment.
bill clinton is a racist.
his grandfather gave credit to blacks.
right!
and then charged them 30% interest.
bill clinton flew the confederate flag over little rock.
Posted by: deroy | January 27, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
saw the note on obama and gay stuff.
bill clinton has had plenty of gay ‘gender’ starting with robert reich.
most of that stuff with owmen in clinton’s life was cover for his actual preference.
Posted by: deroy | January 27, 2008, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm
Blacks vote more exclusively black than white for white. Look in any race where there is a black voting majority and a black candidate and you will find a black winner. Merit means nothing to blacks because they vote by color. Go ahead, look.
Posted by: Bubba | January 27, 2008, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm
Traci, about this: “There are large numbers of Black Scientist, Engineers, Physicians, Attorneys, Executives, Managers, Nurses, CEO of Corporations, Wall Street Brokers, Auto Designer, Airline pilots.”
Have you ever heard of Affirmative Action? I suspect you have. In all probability, EVERY one of these successes you cite has been given preferential treatment over equally or even more qualified whites or Asians. I’ve seen it happen all my life, back to when it started in the sixties.
What I want to see now is Affirmative Action for Asians in the NBA. One is NOT enough! We shall overcome.
Oh and about this “people of color” thing. That one bugs me, as a trained scientist and engineer without the benefit of affirmative action, I have been taught that BLACK is the ABSENCE of color and WHITE is the INCLUSION of ALL colors. Sorry to mess up your train of thought but if you’re black, you’re a person of NO color.
Obama, OTOH, is High Yellow.
Posted by: TruthIsOutThere | January 27, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
Am I absolutely insane or is there even ONE woman who is willing to acknowledge that a wife who blindly stands by a husband who has been accused by multiple women from varying backgrounds of sexual attack by Bill Clinton, may not necessarily be the best person to push forward to cause of women?
There is something VERY SICK about this couple.
What am I missing?
Posted by: Glover | January 27, 2008, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
Somehow I don’t remember Obama ever setting up a rent-a-mob in front of some business in an effort to shake down that business for a “contribution” to the “cause.”
But then again, since it IS Bill Clinton, I’m sure that any perceived difference between Jesse and Barrack is just a figment of my imagination…perhaps a ‘fairy-tale.’
Posted by: Jewels | January 27, 2008, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm
Obama’s true colors starting to show. I know Obama tries very hard to come across as a uniter, but looking a bit underneath shows it is all just cover and he is already losing traction. Although he said he admired Reagan, he then quickly bashed Ronald Reagan by saying he was against all his ideas! Oh really?? I guess Obama was against winning the cold war, a strong economy, and the ability to create optimism coming off one of the worst economies in history with President Carter. Then Obama tells us last night that the Republican’s are responsible for the divisive nature in politics and the slash and burn methods found today. I guess he is too chicken to go after the real guilty party in that regard – the Clinton’s in the early 90′s who tried to destroy anyone who got in their way. Private detectives, sicking the IRS on all Republican voices, and using the media to invent some “vast right wing conspiracy”. Clinton’s blame the other side with every tactic that the Clinton’s themselves use – the democrats are learning that now but for some reason Obama still sees the Clinton’s tactics as newly born during this campaign and refusing to admit that the Republican party was the first to be hit.
Obama, here is some help for you. If you really want the country to come together, you need to stop blaming the other side for all of our problems. You will not get significant crossover support that way. You need to do what Ronald Reagan did, you need to win us over with your ideas. The ‘believe in change’ bit will only go so far. This is why Obama is destined to lose or if he wins, it will be simply another split country. It comes down to a simple fact. Obama’s ideas are just another retread argument by the far left. Spend more, tax more, and bigger government. What this country needs right now is the complete opposite – get rid of the wasteful spending, the earmarks, and the programs that do not work. Give power and opportunity back to the people to stand strong on their own feet.
Posted by: dwr | January 27, 2008, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm
This ugliness will forever scar the Clintons. The new bs from Hillary, that Bill did it out of “love” for her, is just sick. Americans remember just how much he really loves her. He didn’t ejaculate on her dress, that’s for sure…
The race thing is not only vile, but it didn’t just “happen.” Bill didn’t wake up and start race-baiting Barak. No, this kind of activity starts with a public relations consultant in the campaign who says, “Hit Black!”
So, hit he does. The Jackson comment was the low of the low. Also, the comment that “…people in South Carolina with vote either for race or gender, which is why Hillary can’t win…”
0 Dear President Clinton, the last time I looked, women made up 51% of Americans. That means women were a majority of voters in SC. What the President was really saying was, “All those Black people are going to vote for Barak.” How quickly the Clintons have jetisoned one of their core constituencies in the hunt for delegates.
Posted by: A-Pauled-In-Evanston | January 27, 2008, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm
WHITE is the absence of color; black is all colors.
We’d better vote for a Mormon to avoid the “Vatican Conspiracy’
Posted by: T. Bess | January 27, 2008, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm
A VOTE FOR CLINTONS or ANY Republican = DESTRUCTION OF AMERICA
BILL CLINTON went against most of the other Democrats in congress and joined with most of the Republicans to pass NAFTA and WTO free trade agreements.
The Republicans didn’t have enough votes to pass it through congress, so Bill Clinton twisted the arms of other Democrats in congress to vote with the Republicans too pass it. Then as President Bill Clinton, signs it into LAW.
Does anyone really think America can have free trade agreements (like NAFTA and WTO) with third world countries that pay their workers 1/20th of what American Companies pays our workers?
We should cancel the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) with Canada, United States and Mexico.
Then pull out of the World Trade Organization (WTO).
All these politicians in BOTH PARTIES are presently “FREE TRADING” America into a THIRD WORLD COUNTRY.
If the American people disagree with what I’m saying, that will not change or stop the Destruction of America. If America stays in NAFTA and the WTO, Americans will absolutely end up losing everything.
IF YOU THINK THAT ALL OF AMERICAN MANUFACTURING BASE SHOULD BE SENT TO CHINA.
THEN YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR ALL THESE FREE TRADING Republicans or the Clintons.
BUT I AM GOING TO VOTE FOR ANYONE BUT a Clinton or a Republican, because i want see a strong America.
Posted by: Harry Dingey | January 27, 2008, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm
dwr, you said the far left ideas consisted of spending more and bigger government and that what this country needs right now is the complete opposite – get rid of the wasteful spending, the earmarks, and the programs that do not work. Give power and opportunity back to the people to stand strong on their own feet.
I agree completely. However, that is the same premise that Bush was elected on. So what makes you think it will be different this time around when our party isn’t putting up a true conservative?
Posted by: True Conservative | January 27, 2008, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm
Sorry, T. Bess, this “WHITE is the absence of color; black is all colors.” as I’ve already pointed out, is wrong. At least scientifically and factually. Which of course is why you and yours stick to your fairy tales.
As for Mormons, I saw on TV a guy at a cafe or something say to Romney, who was holding his hand out to this guy to shake and the guy refused to take it and said “I will NEVER vote for a Mormon.”
This of course is why the demos would LOVE for Romney to win the Rep nomination – religious bigotry may well be his demise. OTOH, I have not yet seen a similar thing happen to either Obama (never vote for a black?) or Hillary (never vote for a woman?) And if we EVER do see anything like that, it will be AFTER the primaries and the utterers will be ID’d as republicans because the media will not want to show democrats being racist or sexist.
Posted by: TruthIsOutThere | January 27, 2008, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm
Not one of them running for the highest office in the nation deserves it. True honest Americans are to busy working to make ends meet. We hire these egg head candidates from Harvard, Yale and other ivy league schools. They usually haven’t worked a day in their life. They have been born with a silver spoon & hoof in their mouth.
What we need is a production worker, electrician, pipe fitter, nurse or brick layer to run for the presidency. They are the true Americans, that aren’t represented or given a break by the system.
Posted by: joe | January 27, 2008, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm
What is the black vote? How is it different from a white vote? Why are they African Americans and not Americans of African descent?? This racial thing is getting worse!
Posted by: ron | January 27, 2008, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm
If Obama isn’t the “black” candidate then why does all the media present him as such? Why is it a historic election? Obama will garner the “black vote” because he is black. I would dare say Oprah is campaigning for him because he is black. Funny how Jake here can represent the Clintons as race baiters (as they are) but he could never muster have the courage to make a similar claim against the “black” candidate. This is just more of the same from the ultra PC world we live in….
Posted by: Dave Rice | January 27, 2008, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm
How come Obama doesn’t put his hand over his heart during the pledge of allegance? Don’t vote for him.
Posted by: Down with Obama | Jan 27, 2008 12:15:20 AM
So what do you suggest? Should he instead put his hand on his wallet and worship the almighty dollar as do the wealthy capitalist money changers? They don’t worship this country they use it to their benefit.
Posted by: George Busch | January 27, 2008, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm
Bloomberg for President.
Posted by: Jeff Hartman | January 27, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
True Conservative,
I don’t see any true conservatives that are currently in the running. However, at least with McCain, he is talking a lot about the cost side and the need for drastic cost side reforms which is a very important issue to me. More so than the need for additional tax cuts. At this point tax cuts should only be secondary to cost reforms and controlled spending. Getting the deficit and debt under control will do much more long term good for the economy than any tax cut could do.
Posted by: DWR | January 27, 2008, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm
Obama does put his hand over his heart for the pledge of allegiance. That myth has been debunked (see snopes.com plus all the videos of him actually citing the pledge with his hand over his hear) but obviously is still spouted by ignorant schmucks.
Posted by: Frank | January 27, 2008, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm
Traci, I didn’t say African-Americans don’t do well. What I said was, “Being in better schools will increase the graduation rate of African-Americans. Then millions more African-Americans will have the skills to be successful in the business world. For many African-Americans sports and the music industry are the only way to succeed.”
I said “MILLIONS MORE” will have the skills… I do agree with you that “There are large numbers of Black Scientist, Engineers, Physicians, Attorneys, Executives, Managers, Nurses, CEO of Corporations, Wall Street Brokers, Auto Designer, Airline pilots.” You can include U. S. Supreme Court Justices and Secretaries of State as well. These individuals made their achievements based on a good education. They graduated from high school and college. BUT my point was that for many of those who don’t graduate, sports and the music industry are the only way to succeed.
Now as for who can “save” African-Americans, if they need saving, only THEY can save themselves. I only pointed out what both political parties were offering. For some, rhetoric is enough to inspire them to success. But they are much more likely to achieve great success graduating and getting degrees. But the Democrats place a higher commitment to the National Education Association than they do to those students who are attending failing schools.
Finally, I did not intend to imply that African-Americans wanted a free ride. I only pointed out that that is what many received from the Democrats. And in return, they became enslaved by the government. Most African-Americans want the “American Dream.” But that can’t happen being trapped in the projects. In some respects that entrapment is worse than the old segregation in the South. That’s because too many of the African-American leaders condone this entrapment and the enslavement by the government.
Posted by: James Danley | January 27, 2008, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm
DWR – I agree that tax cuts should not be implemented if it increases the debt.
Posted by: True Conservative | January 27, 2008, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm
If Barak gets the nomination, it is all over for the dems. McCain will team up with his buddy Colin Powell as Vp. That is a team that will transcend anything the dems will have to offer.
Posted by: Danni | January 27, 2008, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm
I’m not affiliated with either of these two parties. I only vote for the team that seems best at the time. In my youth, that was usually the democrat I must admit. I even voted for George McGovern. He was the anti-Nixon after all.
However, after going thru an independent phase as I matured, I realized that the politics of the democrats were taking us down the hole faster than gravity could. Democrats invented the politics of race. They are the original “PC” types. They infest the nanny state which wants to control our lives cradle to grave. They put poison in gasoline in California in the name of the environment. Said poison has seeped into groundwater and the cost to clean it up is horrendous. Now, they’re in the business of designing the cars we drive. Great. Yugo anyone?
Democrats almost to a person voted for the war. This one and the other one. Then, as if hit by a lightning bolt, they found out that people die in wars. Oh NO! We must put a stop to this they cried. So now they are trying to do what they did in the 60s and early 70s – blame the entire war thing on the other guys (and I dont mean the enemy) and turn tail and RUN, leaving the spoils to the losing side and losing MORE face for America in the world.
These are some of the reasons it is unlikely I can ever vote for a Democrat again. Black or white, male or female. Not that I enjoy voting for the likes of GW Bush, but he did prove to be made of the right stuff after 911. (God help us if Al Gore had been pres then- most he wouldda done would have been to sue Al Queda for increasing global warming what with all that smoke and everything in New York) But W’s handling of, for instance, the border situation is beyond deplorable, as is the (former?) position of McCain.
There is ONE ticket that gives me cause for hope. It’s in the future. I hope it won’t be too far in the future. Two guys who are saying they’ll run for public office after they retire from their current jobs. Two guys who excel at what they do. Two guys who can relate to people of ALL races. Two leaders who rise to the top when it’s required. Two guys who I have tremendous respect for. Here’s my future ticket:
Curt Schilling/Tom Brady for Pres/VP
So WHAT if they can’t carry New York! :)
Posted by: TruthIsOutThere | January 27, 2008, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm
The Clintons disgust me. I’m tired of Hillary trying to coattail off of being 1st lady. She’s a megalomaniac who hasn’t had an original idea since 1982. Barak Obama represents hope and unity, making him the polar opoosites of the Clintons
Posted by: Puddin' Tang | January 27, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm
When it came to SC primary, the result is so hard to gauge. Majority of SC voters have a simple lens to view. All others social issues: women movements, war, economy…are not well represented.
This happened so many times in the past and make SC primary became so out of tune and trivial. At least like IOWA caucus, the are merits in it. But SC, none…nada.
Posted by: mossyframe | January 27, 2008, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm
“I am outraged by this story. I saw the ORGINAL clip of the reporters question. He FIRST asked Bill whether Obama could win as a black candidate…then added the second part of the question. The media CUT the first part, then accused Bill of injecting ‘race’ (with Jesse Jackson) into this response. These tactics are increasingly alarming to me and show that the media is not only deliberately trying to “spin” again Bill Clinton, they are stealing the election from the American people. People need to stand up to this — it is WRONG!”
The media have been doing this sort of thing to Republicans for decades. For once they do it to a democrat and all he!! breaks loose.
Posted by: TruthIsOutThere | January 27, 2008, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm
Republicans are a bunch of clowns who for 8 years controlled both congress and the executive branch and failed miserably.
Posted by: Wanda | January 27, 2008, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm
Well Obama can’t have it all ways. He does appear to say anything depending on how the wind is blowing.
Funny how his church changed their website to remove the “black” from the 10 visions they had on there. Still with the internet, nothing is really hidden. I just don’t for the sake of future African American candidates want a dud in the White House.
Personally although it is exciting he is running and doing well, I think Gov. Richardson should be in his place, along with Biden and Dodd. Hope matters but so does experience because we do have a Congress after all, although Bush and Cheney like to pretend it and the Justice Department the third branch of government, don’t exist.
He isn’t the first African American after all to run and it was an African American in 1868 who was elected in Congress well before the women got the vote in 1920….so I get a little tired of the whining.
Posted by: Psm | January 27, 2008, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
Hillary, Bill and the rest of the people can make false claims about Obama ‘s religion, false claims about him and race, but it won’t help. There are too many intelligent people in America and they are not going to be fooled this time.
The Republicans should be able to see past party loyalty and know this country is catching hell with Bush as President.
Obame-Edwards in 2008.
Posted by: FreeAmerican | January 27, 2008, 8:35 pm 8:35 pm
Hope that B. Obama turns down that ride with Ted to the beach come spring. Oherwise the Clintons will win again.
B Obama lost my vote with the endorsement of Ted Kennedy. Two of the same when all is said and done more will be said then done.
We do not have a good leader in the contest.
Posted by: Carl Hoffman | January 27, 2008, 9:12 pm 9:12 pm
Hillary, Obamarama, and Edwards collectively don’t have the backbone to outfit a small rat. We’ll need divine intervention if any of these are elected.
Posted by: BIOYA1 | January 27, 2008, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm
This is so sad but not surprising. For those of you snarling and squealing in your pen, you might consider how it is that you ended up there in the first place.
It is no coincidence AT ALL that the more educated the electorate, the more likely they are to vote for Obama. Aren’t you tired of being Hillary Clinton’s puppets? Pull your collective heads out of wherever it is you have them and go educate yourself. Every last one of you is being exploited but you are all laughing it up, lapping it up, like Bill Clinton really LIKES you just because he’ll wink and pull off a fart joke in your company. He thinks you are morons or he wouldn’t be pulling this crap..
Posted by: bobbie | January 27, 2008, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm
Excuse me? He is running as a black candidate. All of the media and their polls predicted his win in South Carolina, even though this is John Edwards home state, because of the predominately democratic black population. Wake up people! Oprah is hitting the trail hard hand in hand with Michelle Obama yet Bill Clinton is targeted for defending Hillary from the constant media bashing. Has everyone forgotten the $5 trillion surplus he left us. I’m voting experience. With the mess this country is in we don’t have time for on the job training. So for the first time in my life if Hillary dosen’t get in I’ll be voting for McCain. Hope you are all ready for about 3 new republican Supreme Court Justices. I’m sure the republicans are thinking along these lines.
Posted by: Pat Dunn | January 27, 2008, 11:56 pm 11:56 pm
You are missing the bigger story – there is a split in the Democratic party. The Sorros/Howard Dean wing want the Clinton out because the Clintons have been to powerful and influential within the Democratic party.
Plus – they aren’t Marxist enough for the players in the party hence the internal warfare within the party… remember Welfare Reform and all the other conservative ideas Clinton co-opted to save his hide? Or how Hillary says she WON’T bring the troops
home right away.
Not the Amerika the socialists envision within their life time…
That is why you see all this cannibalization of the Clintons, the power brokers within the Democratic party are turning against the Clintons.
Obama is ultra liberal in all areas. Forget about the lies that flow form his lips. He is a socialist. And, thats what the king makers within the Democratic party and the king makers in the main stream Carl Marx media want (observe Jake Tapper).
Posted by: paul | January 28, 2008, 1:27 am 1:27 am
Let’s see who is really running on the Lefty we have Obama–and oh yea the BILLARY’S two for one what deal–
Posted by: Dicky | January 28, 2008, 2:16 am 2:16 am
Would someone please explain how voting for Hillary is voting for experience? Every example I’ve seen is of her husband’s accomplishments. Are we now voting for a non-running candidate? Is Hillary expected to turn over her presidency, if elected, to her more experienced husband? Wake up, America! We aren’t behaving like the great nation of people we propose to be…
Posted by: PHodge | January 28, 2008, 9:10 am 9:10 am
Say what you want about the Clintons. american econocmy was at its best in years when Clinton was in office. Call them crooks if you want,but polotics have always been crooked. Obama has little expierence, and last time i looked he WAS black , African American or American of African decent. Keep it real people. As much as we would like to say race means nothing,if does! Obama will get the so called “Black” vote. birds of a feather flock together.
Posted by: pickles2467 | January 28, 2008, 10:11 am 10:11 am
Pat Dunn, you wrote: “Has everyone forgotten the $5 trillion surplus he (President Clinton) left us.”
First of all that was a myth. Those were 10 year projections. Only Liberals count projections as real money. Now then, the so called surpluses that the government ran in 1999 and 2000 were surpluses only because Social Security revenues were included in the totals. And if you recall, the Republicans took control of Congress in Jan 1995.
Now going back to the 1999 and 2000 budgets, the total outstanding debt actually increased during those years. Here is a chart on the growth of the total outstanding debt during the Clinton Administration:
09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06
09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86
09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43
09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32
09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38 (Bush 41)
Now to President Clinton’s credit ALONG with credit from the Republican controlled Congress, the total outstanding debt during the 8 years of the Clinton Administration rose “only” $1,114,713,502,186.74. The first 5 years (2002-2006) of the Bush Administration has seen a rise of $2,278,737,933,618.07. That is double the increase of the Clinton Administration’s in just 5 years.
Posted by: James Danley | January 28, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am
Obama da Lama is not BLACK!!! He is Half WHITE and Half BLACK!!!
Why is he ashamed of that. He must be because he keeps calling himself a BLACK MAN!!! White people should take notice of that.
Posted by: GT Horvat | January 28, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am
Right Argument, Wrong Culprit, Part One
Given the length of my letter, I am posting it in two parts.
Part One
Glenn, I don’t think I have ever read one of your columns and not agreed with your reasoning, logic and general point of view. However, this column employs a very un-Greenwald-like, extremely subjective appraisal of the facts, not to mention a spurious selection of those same facts to support an argument that is, at best, specious in its reasoning and conclusions.
Ironically, your title makes my argument for me: it is generally conceded that the media’s treatment of Senator Clinton before the New Hampshire primary had a large impact on voters, and may have swayed some of them to vote for her as a response to the clearly disproportionate and unfair coverage she was receiving by the media. In the case of South Carolina, however, the very same media establishment (which you apparently have decided to join, at least in this instance) has determined that the candidate who received the unfair treatment in this particular primary was Senator Obama, and that the unfair treatment came from the Clintons themselves. This determination is utter nonsense, and flies in the face of any objective analysis of the facts.
First, in regard to President Clinton’s Jesse Jackson statement yesterday, for the sake of argument, let us concede that his remark was inappropriate and patronizing because it implied that black voters voted for Senator Obama primarily because he is black. The problem here is that even if his statement was patronizing and inappropriate, what President Clinton said was undoubtedly correct – I don’t know how many blacks in South Carolina were influenced in any way to vote for Senator Obama due to his race, but I assume that the number is quite substantial. Is this assumption racist? You tell me. The fact is that Senator Obama won an overwhelming proportion of the black vote in South Carolina. Is it racist to hypothesize that he did so, in part, because some African-Americans were influenced, at least to some degree, by the fact that Senator Obama is himself African-American? If hypothesizing such a conclusion makes me a bigot, fine. I genuinely don’t believe it is racist to presuppose that some, or even many blacks, in South Carolina were motivated to vote for the first black presidential candidate in American history due to racial considerations. I believe that this is the point President Clinton was making. Does that mean he was being “dismissive” of South Carolina’s voters? Perhaps, although I cannot glean that intent from his remarks, and to do so is a purely subjective interpretation. I would also note as an aside that President Clinton never referred to Senator Obama as the “black candidate”. That some anonymous Clinton campaign officials have done so is regrettable and unfortunate, but I don’t think that this label should be blamed on President Clinton, which your column does.
Second, you attribute the disparity in the pre-vote polling from the actual voting numbers in the South Carolina primary to the demonization of Senator Obama by the Clinton campaign. I have no idea how you infer from this polling data that “[s]o many voters decided to vote for Obama in the last several days as a result of their revulsion towards Obama’s treatment by the Clinton campaign.” To what “treatment” by the Clinton campaign are you referring? Other than the “black candidate” reference mentioned earlier, which apparently was made by the Clinton campaign after the voters had already voted, what statements were made by the Clinton campaign that injected Senator Obama’s race into the South Carolina primary? I saw many such statements, but none of them came from the Clinton campaign. Rather, these racially-charged statements were raised, time and again, by the media. Many members of that self-same media attempted to attribute all manner of racist comments to the Clinton campaign, but I have not seen one example where Senator or President Clinton ever raised race in a negative manner in the South Carolina primary.
At the end of the day, if many South Carolina voters were influenced in the final days of the campaign to vote for Senator Obama, I would respectfully suggest that it is far more plausible that they did so because they were influenced by the media’s coverage of the primary (where, as usual, Senator Obama was portrayed as the hapless victim of the evil Clinton machine), and not by any negative racial attacks against Senator Obama by Senator or President Clinton, because, as mentioned earlier, there were no such attacks.
The media, not the Clintons, is the villain in this drama.
Posted by: Chris | January 28, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am
This blog really lets you see all the racism that still exists in America. Obama wants to represent all the people. He doesn’t even really identify with African Americans – he hasn’t had the “Black” experience. So why is it that White America feels as if he would only represent Black people. Amazing! Hillary is okay. But Obama is “new school” and America is crying for that.
Posted by: Anacostia | January 28, 2008, 11:16 am 11:16 am
James Danely, At least we can count. When George Sr. left office his “projection” was 5.66 Trillion when in actuality it was nearly three times that much. So far the “projection” is 9 Trillion for Junior’s administration. Hmm, I wonder what that means?
Posted by: Pat | January 28, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
“This blog really lets you see all the racism that still exists in America. Obama wants to represent all the people. He doesn’t even really identify with African Americans – he hasn’t had the “Black” experience. So why is it that White America feels as if he would only represent Black people. Amazing! Hillary is okay. But Obama is “new school” and America is crying for that.”
What does any of this have to do with POLICY???
Posted by: paul | January 28, 2008, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
The conclusion is that you are a ‘racist’ neandertal if you don’t vote for Obama. Remember the conclusion about Hilary’s victory in New Hampshire – voters were racist because they didn’t vote for Obama, but just the opposite protection was granted Obama in South Carolina – Obama did not win due to race.
We are witnessing a socialistic informational orgy by confused hippies form the 1960′s as well as idealistic emotionally led Jesus impersonators such as Jake Tapper.
Posted by: paul | January 28, 2008, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm
Pat, you wrote: “When George Sr. left office his “projection” was 5.66 Trillion when in actuality it was nearly three times that much.”
The total outstanding debt on Sept 30, 1993 (which was President Bush 41′s final budget, submitted in 1992) was actually $4.41 Trillion. Now then, the total outstanding debt on Sept 30, 2006, was $8.51 Trillion. I have yet to locate the official totals for Sept 30, 2007. However, the website that is keeping track of the national debt shows $9.20 Trillion as of today (Jan 28, 2008).
Posted by: James Danley | January 28, 2008, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm
Jesse Jackson Jr. cuts ad for Barack Obama
By Mike Dorning
Barack Obama began airing radio ads in South Carolina today featuring Chicago Congressman Jesse Jackson Jr., son of the prominent civil rights leader the Rev. Jesse Jackson.
The senior Jackson won the South Carolina Democratic primary during his 1988 campaign for president, a victory the younger Jackson recalled in the ad, which is airing on gospel and R&B stations with a predominantly African-American audience.
“Once, South Carolina voted for my father, and sent a strong message to the nation,” the younger Jackson said. “Next year, you can send more than a message. You can launch a President.”
The advertising campaign comes a month after Jackson’s father criticized Obama for “acting like he’s white” because the Illinois senator did not speak more aggressively in the racially charged “Jena 6″ case. The elder Jackson, who is supporting Obama, later said the remark was taken out of context.
African-Americans are a crucial demographic group in the South Carolina primary, a key early contest in the presidential nomination. They comprised about half the electorate in the Democratic presidential primary in 2004.
The younger Jackson lauded Obama for legislation he passed in the Illinois state senate combating racial profiling and for seeking to counter “the railroading of the poor in the justice system.”
Though Jackson did not mention front-runner Hillary Clinton in the ad, he appeared to suggest Obama would better represent the interests of blacks.
“A lot of politicians call themselves our friends,” Jackson said.
“But Obama has a heart that beats for our community. And he’s dedicated his life to the struggle,” added Jackson, who cited Obama’s work as a community organizer on Chicago’s South Side and as an attorney working on voting rights cases.
Posted by: Desider | January 28, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm
I am sick of the media’s creative editing and their lies about the Clintons. Who runs the media anyway? Clear Channel, etc. Obama is right out of Karl Rove’s playbook. Falsely accusing the Clintons of making racist remarks: the media has promoted this myth and Obama’s people have gone along with it. Says a lot about the man. Says more than what the man actually does say. He’s for change. Hmmm. When attacked on facts he says the Clintons will “say anything” but does not address the content of their attacks. Never have I see a man of such little substance get away with so much. American Idol has conditioned the stupid people of America to be swayed once again by the cult of Personality. Americans have become so dumb.
Posted by: linda | January 28, 2008, 9:34 pm 9:34 pm
I agree with Pete: Bill Clinton’s remarks in this case–and others–are highly inappropriate, but I don’t think that he realizes what he’s doing.
What stands out most to me in the clip is that he can’t stand still.
I’m left with the impression that the Clintons believe that they are somehow entitled to another presidency. It has been shown that narcissism and conceit are at the root of anger and righteous indignation. I suppose it’s hard to be humble after having been elected twice.
The Clintons are clearly blinded by ambition, and probably by their backers. They seem to be focused on winning at any cost. They cannot possibly unite the nation. I would not be at all surprised to learn that Clear Channel is a major donor, given the boost their candidacy–let alone their election–would give to talk radio.
Posted by: Brad Eleven | January 29, 2008, 6:35 am 6:35 am
Saying that Bill Clinton introduced race into this campaign is at best a huge media fabrication. The Obamas have been playing the race card from the beginning. It was Michelle Obama with Barack seated at her side that said in a 60 minutes interview that “as a black man, Barack can get shot just goin’ to the gas station.” There is a youtube clip of an interview with Michelle Obama from NOVEMBER 12, 2007 saying —- and I quote “black america will wake up and get it”.
Hillary Clinton is the most experienced and qualified candidate for President. The Clintons are BOTH great Americans!
Posted by: Calidem | January 29, 2008, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm
America, remember that this country isn’t made up of only blacks and whites; there are the latino votes, the jewish votes, the asian votes and all the other races that make up a diverse America.
Posted by: mae | January 29, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm
Regarding Michelle Obama comments while Barack was seated at her side in a 60 minutes interview where she stated “as a black man, Barack can get shot just goin’ to the gas station.”
This is very true, however, statistically, as long as the gas station is not in a black inner city Barack should be just fine.
The overwhelmingly vast majority of violence and murder of blacks in this country is committed by other blacks.
I find her comments disgusting and a view into her paranoid madness that she lives with day to day and probably infects her kids with.
No wonder they go to a segregationist church, it sounds like they are afraid of white folks shooting at them. Racists? Or delusional? You decide.
So Michelle Obama should have qualified her statement to show reflect like this: “as a black man, Barack can get shot just goin’ to the gas station…. if he is in a black neighborhood.”
And I suppose violence in the black inner cities is the greater societies fault as well according to the Obamas.
Hypocritical blame game. These people are through backs to the era of segregation yet they claim to be futuristic and cutting edge.
Posted by: paul | January 29, 2008, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm
I am a mixed Black man (like Obama) and I wanted to share my thoughts on why I would NEVER vote for him.
My primary concern with Obama has to do with how his presidency will affect race relations in America. I am a bit of a race man, which appears to be an outdated stance in today’s America. I am someone who still knows that racism exists, that its not going anywhere, and that for the most oppressed and most silenced Blacks that racism will continue to keep them at the bottom of the totem pole.
Barry has waged a rather ridiculous campaign of “hope,” offering little substance and even less action (just take a look at his voting record in Illinois. And before you criticize, I am an Illinois resident, i.e. his constituent). Not surprisingly, the disorganized and easily-led Democratic masses have flocked toward his message without really thinking about the ramifications of an Obama presidency.
With regard to race relations, an Obama presidency will take this country one step closer toward colorblindness, taking any remaining political focus off of race-based oppression and race-conscious programs to remedy such prejudice. When that happens, the real winners will be White America — which is pretty fed up with the whole “race problem” anyway — and prominent Black conservatives such as Ward Connerly and Shelby Steele. The losers? Well the poorest and least well off of Black Americans of course! An Obama presidency will cause racial discourse amongst the White majority to shift from one of annoyance with race to one of ignoring it altogether. And lets face it, once the theoretical discourse on race shifts amongst White Americans, it won’t be long before that shift manifests itself on state ballots in the form of statutory racial preference bans and other similar measures.
Now I am in NO WAY blaming Barry for who he is, but I do take issue with his politics. His elementary approach to politics is not only sickening, but also dangerous. He speaks as if he will have sole authority to bring the “aisle” together. I suppose he envisions his presidency with Republicans and Democrats holding hands, Blacks and Whites arm in arm, and he and the Iranian president playing checkers. Sadly, since we live in a democracy and not a monarchy, neither Barack nor anyone else can “change the system” as dramatically as he claims. The “political system,” by nature, is adversarial and is predicated upon some level of division. Barack’s claims of false hope fail to take this in regard.
It amazes me that large numbers of Democrats fail to see what I see. Although, what is more likely is that most democrats don’t care about Black America anyway and the Black Democrats that support Obama are too blind or too caught up in one of Barry’s speeches to think of the long term ramifications of an Obama presidency.
I can see it now. President Obama will become a poster child for the “pick yourself up by the bootstraps argument.” All over the country, poor, oppressed Black children will be subjected to condescending White America telling them, “Barack became president and he is Black, so why can’t you get a job?”
Think about it. White America controls racial politics. Minority advancements are ALWAYS subject to majority approval. This is not to undermine the efforts of Black America to compel the majority to comply, but slavery, the Civil Rights Movement, etc still required the approval of the majority in order to be effective.
If Obama becomes President, the majority will shift the discourse on race again and Black America, I predict, is not going to be happy with what they see. Obama is a perfect candidate in the majority’s eyes because he is an intelligent, well-spoken, mixed-race Black man that is bound not to mention race — because if he does, all of his majority support is out the window. Now this isn’t to say that if a viable White male candidate existed on the Democratic side that White America wouldn’t flock to him, but given that such a candidate doesn’t exist, Barack greatly benefits in this regard.
And again, I am not criticizing Barry for who he is — I want to make that clear, rather I am merely explaining why I would vote Republican (or perhaps not even vote at all) before voting for him.
Posted by: Donald S. | January 30, 2008, 10:05 am 10:05 am
Snub on This
I rose and shined early this morning only to catch the consistent refrain on the news regarding last night’s SOTU address. It isn’t about the president’s speech, of course; it’s all about the “Snub.” They call that a snub? Clinton
Posted by: baldilocks | January 30, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am
Snub on This
I rose and shined early this morning only to catch the consistent refrain on the news regarding last night’s SOTU address. It isn’t about the president’s speech, of course; it’s all about the “Snub.” They call that a snub? Clinton
Posted by: baldilocks | January 30, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am
Snub on This
I rose and shined early this morning only to catch the consistent refrain on the news regarding last night’s SOTU address. It isn’t about the president’s speech, of course; it’s all about the “Snub.” They call that a snub? Clinton
Posted by: baldilocks | January 30, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am
Liberal politicians and ‘journalists’ protect Barack Obama with a personal vigor because it is in fact very personal to them.
They view black people as their children. And if anyone picks on your kids – come on, nothing is more personal.
Liberals are the parents. They garner themselves with a parental role towards the black community.
They offer them welfare and all manner of social programs to ‘take care of them’. Liberals have an emotional investment in the black community. They want to make sure they are ‘ok’. Sort of coming out and checking on them as they sleep, pulling the blanket up just a little higher.
Having tried to influence the greater society to cater to their specific needs their entire professional life – failure at this point would be a ‘personal’ failure. Much passion and time they have poured into raising the black community from infancy.
Like sending your kid off to school. Make sure he has his lunch packed, “call me if you need anything”. And anxiously help them onto the bus hoping they will be ok.
Then finally they get to watch Barak Obama at the ‘graduation day’ of the black population. On stage representing the black population accepting his diploma figuratively by running for president in his tassel’d hat on stage .
The parents are so proud of their child’s accomplishment, wiping a tear form their eye, they marvel and think to themselves that it has all been worth it. All the trials and hardships and their child has finally made it through his difficult teenage years.
Now the parents, Liberals, can sort of sit back and rest knowing that they have done good. But there will always be that little bit of worry that comes along with being a parent.
Yet Liberals are the ones who claim that non-Liberals are the “racists”. Perhaps its Liberals who use the black community to keep themselves feeling good while the black community remains disproportionately dependant.
I don’t think adults need parents. Other adults simply aren’t superior.
Posted by: paul | February 7, 2008, 2:15 am 2:15 am
It occurs to me that Hillary Clinton has managed to shed the blacks and the Kennedy’s and in doing so my lure back the white independents that are pro-choice and anti-war that would normally vote for McCain. I personally could care less about uniting this country. It has been divided since its founding. I want a president who can stabilize this econony. Even Greenspan admits she isthe best qualified.
Posted by: S.J.Hardwick | February 8, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am
Amazing!
I have kept an incredibly close tab on the so called racial aspects of both campaigns and the only potential racists and/or racially inflammatory statements I’ve seen are from behind the words of the numerous comments by members of the public on thi blog.
Africans, especially those who have lived in Europe and the US like myself (14 years EU, 6 months City of Angels, also know a bit about racism.
Let me share some thoughts with you.
1. I’ve seen Africans treat other Africans, on a micro and macro level, more disgustingly prejudiced than most white racists I’ve ever encountered have treated blacks.
2. Self respecting Africans dont make such an issue of race or racism, they simply live above it – most Africans look down at whites anyway, so deep down they laugh at ‘racism’.
3. When I said ‘macro level’ I meant the injustice that corrupt and inept governments mete out to their owm people in Africa – the total absence of public infrastructures, utilities and collective essential goods such as health and education create a generational psychology that you guys would not even begin to understand, yet Africans live with and in a way ‘above’ these injustices and their perpetrators and move on, get on with it however harsh and frustrating their daily situations.
4. The way most of you carry on about a non-issue,you confirm the long held comic belief of Africans in the US that their are only two types of people in America; a) those who emigrate there and who work damn hard because they know what they left behind ie Jews, Italians, Irish, Eatern Europeans, Asians, Africans, etc and b) ‘white’ and ‘black’ Americans who take their country for granted so much they live their life on a ficticious bed of excuses and accusations against each other about NOTHING! Just like African kids switch off Jerry Springer for being too spolit, childish and nonsensical.
5. Neither Barak Obama nor the Clintons have said anything racist during this campaign, so you lot stop carrying on as if you are a bunch of mentally lazy buggers and discuss real issues.
JPT you let me down a bit by your intro; let’s not get too personal or inflammatory. Consider the disposition of your audience and lead us towards constructive issues. In any case, I can’t see much wrong with Bill Clinton’s statement. Thanks nonetheless.
Cherio!
Posted by: Taj | February 14, 2008, 5:19 am 5:19 am
Guess what?
My 7 year old daughter just said that my household is for Hillary because my wife, her 1 year old sister and herself are rooting for Hillary, while my 12 year old son and I are for Barak.
Reason? They “…are girls” and we “… are boys”! Matter of factly!
Sounds familiar?
I still love her though.
Posted by: Taj | February 14, 2008, 6:20 am 6:20 am
Hillary Clinton’s use of the phrase “We are going to take back America” is “plagerism” of Pat Bauchannan is his presidential political race.
Posted by: ralph ryback | February 18, 2008, 11:35 pm 11:35 pm
Hey,
i just want to say that Bush is an awesome president and i say this because he is doing the best he can. i also think Hilary Clinton should not be prez because she is just being lead by clinton. so i believe Bush should stay for prez, but that will never happen. The one person i want to win for this race would be Obama! you go man!
God bless America
Posted by: Jessica | February 21, 2008, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm
This is a report based upon a meeting we had within our friends and family about Senator Clinton and Obama.
I will like to share the basic core issue at stake and that help me win our internal debate in favor of Senator Clinton.
Things need to change and that is what this election is all about.
1)Believe it or not this is the only Job application process where you do not have to be a President before.
2)However one of the most difficult job on the planet should not be looked at any differently.
3) Say I want to change a company for various reasons for good of employees, products, environmental issues, community and so on.
Will it help me to know the system or be a new comer?
Will it help me to be successful in order to know right people in the company to make changes that I want?
Would it help me to know other companies and relationships that my current company has or should I begin everything from the scratch?
The answers to these are obvious. Chances are a company would be at risk if you were to bring someone fresh at the top and expect to bring about fundamental changes. It sounds too good to be true and it should be that way. It is taking a huge gamble.
Looking at our country and its size and reach and its Governmental machinery we are talking about millions of people working in this system not just the senators and congress leaders and secretaries and governors.
If I am new wanting to bring some fundamental changes not knowing the system inside out, not knowing key people who are going to be there at least initially. ( If I am a President I cannot get a new senate or congress or governors for my self who would all embrace my policies) I cannot replace the govt structure at my will overnight.
I need to know ins and out more than any one else. Does not mean you know everything but my dear voters experience is a key, familiarity is the key, having nerves like steel is the key.
The rest is really good sound bites. Inspiring yes but with this kind of idealism and having not enough experience is a HUGE GAMBLE THAT WE CANNOT AFFORD TO TAKE WHEN THE STAKES ARE TOO HIGH.
Even otherwise the job is too serious.
People are so much fedup with current administration that they would be very happy to get someone that can relate to them.
This is not a guarantee that it would work. (It is almost the other way round)
The challanges are so huge it would not be even start to deliver results end of the 4 years if we have a new comer to the system.
Vito power does only so good. We have been seeing it more often than ever, it is almost autocratic.
We do not want republicans to walk out of Senate or endless fillabusters for bring fundamental changes. We do not want mudslinging which the Reps are so good at.
We can almost derail our system if this new President goes wrong on one of the things or his approach.
My fellow Americans Obama has done a very good job in bring more Americans out to vote but they were already waiting for some to call.
However he is not ready yet. Period.
God please give our people enough wisdom to make this big decision
Posted by: Jim from Georgia | February 25, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am
While Hillary’s claims of being prepared and ready to take the reign of being President sound good, the fact of the matter is she was only the wife of a president and was in no way in charge of making any decisions that would qualify her claims of having so much experience. However, Bill does have the experience needed to make that claim and if Hillary were elected who do you think would really be pulling the strings? Face it niether Hillary or Obama has the experience behind them that would qualify either of them to be president, but at least Obama does not have a spouse who would potentially be making the decisions of our nation. He would be doing it himself. For those of you who refuse to see the racial remarks and inferences that the Hillary campaign is throwing out there, open you blind eyes, especially those of you who are black and want to say no, it isn’t so. Get real! Obama is the best man for the job, although Ms. Clinton sure has given it a good effort, she is just not up to the demand, but Bill is and that is what she is banking on.
Posted by: Maggie | February 25, 2008, 11:37 pm 11:37 pm
Way to go Jim from Georgia, well said. This has been my feeling for the last year, and I just cannot understand how people think Obama, because he would like to change Washington, will be able to, just like that. I worked for the Feds in DC for a few years, and learned enough to know that you must really know how to work the system in order to get in and get anything accomplished. Please, everyone, read Jim from Georgia’s post. One would never hire a CEO with just 2 years of institutional experience. Please, think carefully when you vote. Learn about how long it takes and how much negotiation it takes just to pass a bill and to hire new commissioners (who lead all the federal agencies) and which ones won’t change.
Posted by: Karen from CT | February 29, 2008, 10:19 am 10:19 am
Way to go Jim from Georgia, well said. This has been my feeling for the last year, and I just cannot understand how people think Obama, because he would like to change Washington, will be able to, just like that. I worked for the Feds in DC for a few years, and learned enough to know that you must really know how to work the system in order to get in and get anything accomplished. Please, everyone, read Jim from Georgia’s post. One would never hire a CEO with just 2 years of institutional experience. Please, think carefully when you vote. Learn about how long it takes and how much negotiation it takes just to pass a bill and to hire new commissioners (who lead all the federal agencies) and which ones won’t change. It takes time to learn the ins and outs of an institution, especially a beaurocratic one. Not only will Obama not be able to change the beaurocracy, he will have a very hard time making any of his ideas come into fruition due to his lack of experience.
Posted by: Karen from CT | February 29, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am
I am a Hillary fan all the way. American needs to WAKE UP! Why would any American want a President named “President Barac Obama” That just doesn’t sound American. And that man has not once solidly said what he would “TRY” to do for any American cause. I think he is just a lot of chatter with nothing to say and has shown very little leadership. He is riding on Ophra’s apron string. Not much there either. WAKE UP!
Posted by: cc | March 3, 2008, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm
Anyone who has seen more than one presidential election knows first hand that it’s the same campaign rhetoric over and over again. Hillary’s number one boast is her experience over Obama. This is not necessarily as positive a quality as one would normally think. She has way more experience in double talk outright lies and deceipt. And that folks is what she is using to pave the way for her campaign. We don’t want someone who is already moulded to the typical politition. We want someone whose integrity has not been compomised by experience. We want Obama!!!
Posted by: Kim - Pittsburgh, PA | March 5, 2008, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm
Jim from Georgia
I feel that your comments are very unintelligent and probably race based.
You say that Barack is not ready period. You also say that experience and who you know is the reason to vote Hillary. You say change won’t happen over night. Well I say to you that Barack Obama is more ready to be president than Hillary Clinton,because if Hillary can’t speak for herself on her views, but rather needs Bill to speak for her than she is not the right person for the job. Experience and knowledge that Bill has is not hers and he cannot hold her hand in the Oval Office or at the State of the Union or anywhere else. President Bush’s father was in office and he knew people and had influence on them when he became president and look at the mess our country is in. Both Hillary and Barack are Senators and have done great jobs for their respective states, but be real and don’t let Hillary fool you into believing she has nerves of steel, because she cried at a reporters remarks about Chelsea. I have children and am sensitive about them also but I don’t cry about words. If she can show that she is not Bill’s puppet and has her own backbone maybe she would be a good president. Finally as far as the remark about not wanting a first timer in office as president, any one with any type of intelligence would know that unless it is the 2nd term everyone has to be a first time president of the USA, you just can’t go to presidential training and learn all the answers. As soon as you and others like you realize that black people have built this country maybe then you will understand why we feel that a black man is qualified to run it
1. Why is it that a Black Man can create a tiny piece called a filament (electric light – Lewis Latimer) That allows people to see in the dark?
But can’t be seen fit to lead a country to the true light.
2. Why is it that a Black Man can create an instrument (clock – Benjamin
Banneker) that all People use to tell time?
But people don’t think it is time for him to run a country.
3. Why is it that a Black Man can design a place for the high authorities to meet in & a place for the President to live in (The Capital & the White House Phillip Reid (a slave) & Pierre L’Enfant)?
But not good enough to lead these meetings or live in himself.
4. Why is it that a Black Man was brilliant enough to do the first open heart surgery (Dr. Daniel Hale Williams) And show the world how to get and preserve plasma (Dr. Charles Drew)?
But not good enough to put a program in place where everyone can afford this surgery.
5. Why is it that a Black Man was creative enough to design an instrument (traffic light – Garrett Morgan) To bring multiple people (traffic) to a halt?
But not seen creative enough to design a plan to bring all this unnecessary and worthless Fighting between countries to an end.
6. Why is it that a Black Man could create the soles (shoes – Jan Matzeliger) that people Walk on everyday?
But not seen good enough to fill the shoes of a bad president.
7. Why is it that a Black Man was smart enough & brave enough to teach himself (Fredrick Douglas & Thomas Fuller – both slaves) and others how to read, write and/or calculate math?
But not seen (as) smart enough and bold enough to calculate a platform to be President to a country That sure needs another first by us.
So you see,what I am saying is let us not forget our past, which led us to our present and can definitely be the backbone to our future.
We were good enough, smart enough, creative enough, and bold enough then, so lets all give Obama the chance to show that we are still these things and
more.
We all are as strong as our weakest link. We still can OVERCOME & BE THE FIRST
Posted by: nicole in MO | March 6, 2008, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm
Jim from Georgia, before you lecture us about how “black people built this country” you should check your facts:
Lewis Latimer did not invent the filament, he improved the light bulb Edison had already invented. Latimer was a brilliant inventor. Why do you feel the need to embellish his accomplishments?
Pierre L’Enfant was white and he didn’t design the white house, he was the original architect for Washington, D.C.
The closest Philip Reid came to “designing” the capitol (check your spelling) was assembling the pieces of the statue on its top along with a bunch of other laborers employed and/or owned by his master.
Benjamin Banneker did not invent the clock, he was just an accoplished clock maker. (See above).
Daniel Hale Williams did not perform the first open heart surgery. He did however perform the first fully successful (long term patient survival) open heart procedure. (See above).
Charles Drew did not “show the world how to get plasma” but he did discover a way to preserve it. Similarly, Garrett Morgan didn’t invent the traffic light. He patented one type of traffic signal. Why isn’t this enough? (See above).
Finally, Jan Matzeliger did not invent shoes or shoe soles. He invented a machine that sped up the production of shoes. Also, since it seems to be all about race for you, his father was white.
Again, why can’t you stick to the facts? By constantly mis-stating and exaggerating the accomplishments of some of these men (wildly, in some instances) you diminish what they really did by implying that it isn’t good enough.
Posted by: FletchFFletch | March 13, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm
The case is clear: Hillary 08!
Posted by: yes | April 22, 2008, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm
Bottom line. The Clintons are low-class, lying, cheating, self-serving, manipulative opportunists.
They LOVED black people when they got their vote. Now they’ve turned against them to court the uneducated, bigoted, working class white vote.
They LOVED “moveon” when the group defended Bill Clinton. Hillary Chased after their endorsement, but when she lost it, she turned against them, too.
Of course, they HATED the Pittsburgh-Trbune Review, whose owner/publisher Richard Mellon, led the RNC charges against Bill Clinton while he was president, but now they LOVE Mellon, because they cut a deal with him to get his endorsement.
Disloyal. Dishonest. Disgusting!
Posted by: Mia | April 22, 2008, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm
Vote smaet: Hillary Clinton 08!!!
Posted by: rick | April 22, 2008, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm
Bottom line. The Obamas are low-class, lying, cheating, self-serving, manipulative opportunists.
Disloyal. Dishonest. Disgusting!
Posted by: pinky | April 22, 2008, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm
Real leaders do not refuse to answer
questions, put down people, and
have lapel pin issues.
Vote Hillary 08!!!
Posted by: stanley | April 22, 2008, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm
Obama for senator!
Posted by: julie | April 22, 2008, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm
Anybody inspired by Obama’s filthy,
empty rhetoric???
Hillary 08!!
Posted by: peter | April 22, 2008, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm
I’m inspired by Obama, but how is it “filthy” or “empty”? Your comment is pretty empty, that’s for sure.
Aren’t we all Democrats? Let’s get real, cut out the cheap attacks, and remember the real issue, beating McCain in Nov!
Posted by: Sue | April 22, 2008, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm
I’m inspired by Obama, but how is it “filthy” or “empty”? Your comment is pretty empty, that’s for sure.
Aren’t we all Democrats? Let’s get real, cut out the cheap attacks, and remember the real issue, beating McCain in Nov!
Posted by: Sue | April 22, 2008, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
“You got to really go some to play the race card with me,” Clinton spewed on WHYY. “My office is in Harlem. And Harlem voted for Hillary, by the way.”
OK Bill…your office is in Harlem. Where is your home? NOT in Harlem.
I understand it’s a 1.7 million dollar home in Chappaqua, NY complete with gates, closed circuit security and secret service protection. Not the kind of place a brother from Harlem will survive knocking on the door.
Black people may have loved Bill in the 90′s, but now theyre baffled as to why he’s kicking the crap out of the first black man to have a real cance to win the presidency so he can put his wife in there. Black America was played by the Clintons. The Clintons never cared about you, just your votes.
Posted by: superdave611 | April 27, 2008, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm
Yes i would like to know what you are doing now in your life.Also i would like to know where you stay at in this world.Are u working,or are you still doing the same thing that you been doing.I wonted to know all these answers because we was talkin bout you in our class,and some people said that you where doin this, and other people said you where doing somthing else so i just wonted to know for myself what you are doing with your life.Thank you ever much…
Posted by: shay | June 4, 2008, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm
Who do you think you are? You won’t put your hand over your heart during the National Anthem & you won’t put your hand on the Bible IF you are sworn in as President. Those are just 2 things that I have a problem with. It’s not over yet & God help us all if you get in.
Posted by: LYNN | June 10, 2008, 2:12 am 2:12 am
Before Obama became a candidate, the black voting block loved the Clintons. If Obama wasn’t on the ticket, the 90% of blacks voting for him would all be voting for Hillary. But, as soon as a black candidate was actually in sight of the nomination, it was time for blacks to throw the Clintons under the bus, and play the race card. These latter comments by black leaders putting the blame on Bill Clinton, are extremely disengenuous, and are merely attempts at damage control, as well as attempts at solidarity for the black candidate, at the expense of the Clintons.
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Posted by: flower girl dress dress | October 31, 2008, 2:03 am 2:03 am
Barack Obama is the President now with no thanks to me because I did not vote. The reason behind why I did not vote was because if in the long run if what all he has been saying about helping the people really dont go the way it is suppose to go I can honestly say It was not because I voted. I honestly hope that Barack Obama does help better this world because Lord knows that it needs it. I hope he helps the Elderly and the “Poor” because everyone needs help right now. When it is so hard for people to go to the doctor, buy there meds and pay there bills but most of all be able to put food on the table for there childrenand families. It is really tough out here right now especially with not that many jobs out here. And If you have a job you worry day to day If you are going to have a job when you get to work or is your boss going to tell you that you have to be laid off due to no work and then your boss would fight you for unemployement. Hopefully Barack Obama will get into the White House and help out everybody that is out here struggling! So I guess we will see If he stands by his promise about getting more jobs and help for us!!
Posted by: Nicki | November 4, 2008, 11:32 pm 11:32 pm
I am of the opinion, the race card was a distraction in this election. A very clever play by the victorious party. Bravo! It worked among the young and uniformed. PEOPLE, COLOR DOES NOT MATTER IN POLITICS. Remember what a politician IS, what they accomplish through cleverly placed lies and empty promises. Social security was never supposed to be touched, Tolls in New Jersey (Parkway) temporary, “No new taxes, etc…Over the years have WE ALL not been literally treated like idiots by Politicians? Come on, The founding fathers crated this government for the people. Politics was not meant to be a Career but a Service For “WE THE PEOPLE”…The Service stinks.
Posted by: valerie | November 9, 2008, 12:11 am 12:11 am
A FINANCIAL REVOLUTION
A Modern day “Boston Tea Party”, Americans have grown up and gotten wise. Here is the American publics’ response to government, bailouts, stimulus packages and urging us to spend. The wizards of Wall Street, through their greed and corrupt practices, have given the vast middle class two options: risk destitution and bankruptcy or save. We’ve chosen to save.
1. So now, the citizens have decided to create a financial revolution, and save their money! More power to us!!
2. Everybody wants our money ~ one way or another. If we don’t draw the line, and ignore the economy, we will all need food stamps. Health Care? A thing of the past, if we don’t save ourselves, we are financially doomed. Keep saving all you can.
3. The economy needs???? That’s the problem…we should be talking about what people need. And we need more than an economy.
4. GOOOD!! PEople need to stop wasting; we need a savings rate that’s at least 20 percent…never mind a pathetic six.
5. I reduced my spending (only what i NEED, not what I want) because I NEED my money more than traitorous US corporations WANT it. I have no loyalty to corporate America because they have no loyalty to me or my fellow citizens. Until they figure that out, my money stays in my pocket.
6. Can you blame people for trying to save a dime? Weren’t we all told to save up for a rainy day? Well, folks, it’s a monsoon out there.
7. Why is it that the media, congress and the economists all fail to understand that we are saving every cent we have because we are all going to RUN OUT of money? According to everything we hear, millions and millions of us are just a few steps away from being homeless soon.
8. We’re saving because if we lose our jobs our government clearly won’t be there for us.
9. These companies grow on your credit then they buy our government. We need to show the government and big business who is the boss. The only way we have left is through our own spending because god knows they don’t listen to us.
10. Does this surprise anyone? No one knows if they will have a job tomorrow, so what makes the government believe anyone is going to spend any extra money they have? People are going to start hording cash, it is simple reality. Until our elected congressional and senatorial leaders step up to the plate and pass a realistic bill that stimulates the economy vs giving tax breaks to businesses that will not hire more people, (Business will continue with layoffs as long as their inventory continues to grow). This is also another reality that our elected official just does not seem to grasp.
11. Save your money. Do not spend it! If you must spend it, spend it very wisely.
12. The Great American Con-Job is government and corporate businesses.
13. I don’t call it “hording cash.” I call it finally being fiscally responsible. If the new fiscally responsible American ways don’t support the old economy . . . well too bad. The old economy was never sustainable anyway. It’s reality check time!
14. Perhaps the ‘economy’ of the last couple of decades needs to adjust,… and needs to learn to cope with the idea that people will (generally) only buy what it is that they can actually afford?
15. I won’t be listening to the economists – I will be saving and living within my means. The credit cards were destroyed a long time ago – 19% interest rates. We used to call those people loan sharks but VP Biden helped to make that legal.
16. Give money back to the taxpayers. They could give every single taxpayer a quarter mill and it would be WAY cheaper than any plan they have had so far.
17. It’s good that people are saving money and/or paying down debt, and defining their needs and wants. A society that is built largely on consumer spending is insane
18. Americans need to STOP BUYING cheap foreign goods of poor quality. Many RETIREMENT PLANS have been GUTTED by Wall Street as a result of their greed, ineptitude, and culture of entitlement. Americans need to SAVE.
19. Somehow, it just pisses me off when I read clap-trap about how it is the ‘consumer’s’ responsibility to shore up our overinflated, popped bubble of an economy.
20. The consumer has sustained the economy, before and especially after 9/11, and what did we get for it, fraud, deception, financial con artistry, ponzi schemes, and no law enforcement on ethics or anything, we got laid off, foreclosed, flat screen on the curb, credit rating in the toilet.
21. The people who suggest that saving money is bad are the same ones with all the bright ideas that got us into this mess? Are the people suggesting saving is bad insane? Regular folks see that we are losing jobs everywhere. They can see this with our own eyes. The rational thing for an individual to do is save for the rainy day which is coming, so you and your family don’t starve to death when you lose your job.
22. Look at what this country has become. People, save your money, hide your money, hoard your money. Pay your debts. Buy only essentials and lots of them. The Federal Government will do a Katrina on you when their ridiculous policies fail and we enter the Greatest Depression.
23. I am a small rural farmer. The cost of seed and fertilizer is now 4x the cost of last year. Darn right I am saving my money and not spending it. If I didn’t have chickens for eggs and produce canned from last season, my family would be hungry now. I will be planting less and folks, your food bills will be higher shortly because this is the norm for almost everyone in this farming community.
24. The pride in being the “breadbasket” of the nation is gone. Food = life. Save your money because you are going to need it more than ever… just to continue living.
25. It is pure arrogance to say we should spend our last dollars to help the economy while those with the ear of the politicians get fatter wallets and bigger houses. Save your money and save yourselves. These times are more desperate than you can imagine. The repercussions have not yet hit your local super market, but they will.
26. They just were bailed out by the tax dollars of our great great great great grandkids. We also got downsized, and once again underpaid, then they just brought in people from over seas, so they would not have to hire me back at a decent wage, and our government was complicit with the act, oh no emergency response to crisis, not even in the former President’s home state, oh consumers also got poisoned food, poisoned toys from china, and an inept FDA to protect or even guide us, poison food outbreaks…yea I’m keeping my money at home under the mattress and i am not buying anything i do not need until i can get bailed out by my own tax dollars.
27. Yes, it is ugly…but slowly we will start to buy those things that WE NEED, not just STUFF! We may no longer buy $200 running shoes or the latest electronic gadget. It is time for business to re-focus…and if their products are no longer needed, then figure out what IS NEEDED and go there.
28. Why on Earth anyone would trust the government, who got us into this situation with deregulation of the banking industry AND two wars, to get us out of this circumstance is beyond me.
29. I am certainly no economist but there is one thing I don’t understand: If people are spending less and saving more money, shouldn’t the banks (where this unspent money presumably is being saved) have more cash on hand to lend?
30. “The economy” as managed by our government has screwed Americans and now Americans are supposed to manage ” the economy” by spending when it is spending that caused the problem.
31. I’d like to challenge any one in public office or the banking industry to live on the average American’s wage for one year! Then live on unemployment and still pay taxes!
32. It may not be a matter of saving! It may be a matter of nothing left to spend! Unemployment doesn’t go far and the new proposed tax relief for unemployment is not worth the paper it’s written on! Approx 1 month forgiveness on an entire claim and no forgiveness once you go into the extensions.
33. Stop telling average Americans like me that this mess is our fault.
Most of us have been cutting back since 2001. What is happening now is due to greed and corruption by people who have the wealth and power.
34. Why should I spend my money on things made overseas? The money only goes to the executives who own the companies that shuttle that junk around, as well as to the foreign shipping companies. Why should I send them my money? Our money’s going into banks. Gee, maybe with all that capital coming in, they could loan my local pharmacy some money so they can stock the shelves or loan businesses money so they can keep their employees or adjust their mortgages so folks on the edge won’t lose their homes.
35. Let’s see if I follow: Government spending to stimulate the economy is bad. This despite the fact that the government is allowed to run a deficit (which it funds with bonds paying circa 4 %.). Individual spending to stimulate the economy is good. This despite the fact that individuals are not allowed running a deficit (short of selling assets in a down market, or piling on credit card debt at 19.8 %.)
36. The article quotes a leading economist, but still misses a key Econ 101 concept: Savings provides capital for banks to lend. (“It’s a Wonder Life” covers the topic vividly.) It doesn’t ALL come from No Banker Left Behind.
37. Exactly. Capitalism requires capital and it’s not all about individual/consumer spending, as much as some of the policy makers would have us believe. And Bush was among the most egregious in missing this point while encouraging the public to spend themselves into debt (mortgage and credit card, especially). He promoted this as [patriotism and an American right, like apple pie, energy consumption, and driving SUVs.
38. Yes save for what you need, for a man/country in debt is never free. This debt and credit based economy is just as an insane pyramid game where only the top players get anything out of it and the rest is losers left behind.
39. As a baby boomer I think we need to retool expectations. Our pensions may not be there for us after all and Social Security won’t feed my cat. What is best for the economy at large is not necessarily best for the individual household. Cash is king more than ever now and I plan on being prepared.
40. Buying a home as an investment is such a lie. People never consider how much money they will spend on utilities, equipment (washing machine, dryer, dishwasher, hot water tank, lighting, toilets, refrigerator, lawn mower), updates (carpeting/flooring, painting walls, foundation issues) or on simple maintenance like plumbing, electrical work, air conditioning/heating work or even keeping the yard mowed, watered, leaves raked, etc.
41. People have to save. They don’t know when their job will be the next to go.
42. The correction is the painful adjustment to restructure society to where it should have been all along. Now we will hopefully have enough grassroots companies that will start producing things that we really need. Or maybe we’ll see an influx in farmers or people growing their own food. And if we are producing anything, we need to market it for people abroad more than local consumption so we can bring new money into our economy.
43. My savings are up. I’m stashing every penny I have left from the job I just lost to cover my minimum credit card payments for as long as I can while I look for a new job. Can’t let the credit cards go unpaid because I’m essentially living off them at this point. I’m sad, discouraged, and very, very scared. Much love to those of you going through the same thing. SAVE!
44. Economic stimulus by putting money into unnecessary items, like flat screen tvs or $800 boots, will not help people who can’t afford medical insurance, can’t put food on the table, can’t pay for electricity, and certainly can’t pay for education for their kids, is NOT the answer. The American people need a bailout.
45. I have seen my annuities shrink by tens of thousands of dollars, and likewise, the value of my house. Of course I am not spending. I may never spend. One reason is that I am so ANGRY at the corporations. I am tired of being subjected to social engineering every time I enter a store, tired of cheap junk merchandise from China, tried of my government being bought instead of representing me, tired of the government being taken over by armband religion, tired of my healthcare, tired of lousy schools that are unaffordable, tired of the bailout which is really nothing but more robbery of the people, specifically, the middle class.
46. I have no representation, no free press, no recourse of any kind except not spending. So, by golly, I’m not spending. (It’s practice for when I won’t be able to spend anyway, because the government will end up with every last cent that I ever earned anyway.)
47. In our consumer economy, the consumer has been hung out to dry for the last 8 years, my food is poisoned, my toys imported with poison, our cars suck, our energy is too expensive and could costs could rise at any given moment, our officials are not prosecuted for breaking the law, ah la Bush Cheney, Rumsfeld, what else, we bailed out the banks, and they laid off our uncles aunts and children, and then will not loan any money to help the economy, these guys are still requesting foreign visa’s while they lay Americans off in droves, no Mr. banker, Mr. retail store, i will not spend my money with you, because you will not invest in our community, or our nation. Banks received billions of dollars, and simultaneously, continued to foreclose on millions of family homes, and homes of the elderly, the shame of America is on the faces of those recently made destitute.
48. Of course people are saving money, they see their neighbors lose jobs, their house is depreciating daily, and government is spending money like a drunken sailor, which everybody knows is going to fuel inflation. I am glad to see people save; the American people need to reclaim their financial freedom, not living as servants to America.
49. Our economy is built on continuous growth and consumer spending which can not be sustained. The way the markets look at it is all wrong. If you save money that should be good. That means people are not going into debt and can pay their bills. Instead a lack of debt seems to be BAD to these guys. Our whole system is broken. It needs a major overhaul!
50. WE ARE SUPPOSED TO SAVE MORE, NO ONE CARES OR IS DOING ANYTHING TO HELP CITIZENS AND WORKING PEOPLE, THEY JUST SUCK US DRY AND LAY US OFF AND HIRE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS OR THOSE ON VISAS TO TAKE OUR JOBS FOR LESS PAY, SO GUESS WHAT, I AM HOLDING ON TO EVERY DIME I CAN JUST LIKE THE BANKS AND AUTO MAKERS.
While the old way of “storming the fort” was applicable in that day and age to signal revolt, so this is modern America’s way, by us staging a “financial revolution”. Congress, American government, consider yourself notified. Americans are no longer “buying” the swampland, of buy, buy, buy, or, consume, consume, consume. It is now save, save, save yourself. Unless you start mailing out checks directly to the American people to help bail us out, to get us through this depression, expect it to go on for as long as it takes, to crash the system of the elite. You left us no other recourse. We are no longer a consumer nation; you heard it, first, from us…
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