ANALYSIS:Romney, Clinton No New Traction
ABC News’ Rick Klein analyzes the ABC/WMUR/Facebook debates:
The two candidates with the most riding on New Hampshire lost the most ground when the stakes were highest Saturday night.
Before a national television audience in ABC — and in the only major marking point between Iowa and New Hampshire — former governor Mitt Romney, R-Mass., and Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., did nothing to slow the momentum of the candidates who at this moment pose the biggest threats to their candidacies.
Romney discovered the backlash of all those attacks he’s been leveling. The man who soared above the field in early exchanges was suddenly under siege — and found himself outflanked by Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who appears to be on a glide path to winning New Hampshire for a second time. It hardly mattered that Iowa’s winner, former governor Mike Huckabee, R-Ark., was a non-entity on stage.
And Clinton had one of those debate moments that campaign consultants have nightmares about. She looked as frustrated and beleaguered as she no doubt feels at this moment, defending herself with an indignity that suggested a level of confusion about why she’s no longer the campaign frontrunner.
"I want to make change but I’ve already made change," she said. "I’m not just running on a promise of change — I’m running on 35 years of change."
She’s right — and she pointed out Obama’s inconsistencies with a fervor that suggests an eager student who’s read all the books. But those charges — while certain to be developed in news coverage in the days to come — were lost in their own haze Saturday night, amid Obama’s elevation and former senator John Edwards’ passion.
Obama’s "working majority for change" gives voters something to believe in and cast ballots for. Clinton has the nugget of an effective argument, in making her experience about change, but it’s getting late to develop it into something that stands in contrast to what Obama is offering.
Both Romney and Clinton know that a loss in New Hampshire would be devastating. They had an evening to change the dynamics in the tightest of windows between the first two contests. But the evening passed with their opponents’ momentum intact.
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Posted by: Conservative Dem | January 5, 2008, 11:40 pm 11:40 pm
I think that Hilary makes a very good arguement, what does that mean “I represent change” standing for change like Obama and now Edwards is just a slogan. The President of the United Staes is is a serious job, would you have gotten your job just because you spoke well and was passionate in an interview…where is the substance and experience? No wonder the American Political system is in such dissaray, what standards and vetting are we holding these candidates to!!
Posted by: steve | January 5, 2008, 11:51 pm 11:51 pm
I disagree in part with this article. Romney handled the attacks very professionally and tactfully. I lost respect for McCain tonight. He had some of the worst personal attacks on Romney the entire night. It was very childish.
Posted by: Quinn | January 5, 2008, 11:54 pm 11:54 pm
It would be a good idea for Hillary to get out of the race rather than continue to make a fool of herself.
Posted by: julianbook | January 5, 2008, 11:58 pm 11:58 pm
Senator Clinton, claimes that she is the candidate with experaince, 35 years she has claimed. However, of that time she was twice a first lady (non elected posts) and she has been latley a jonior Senator from New York. – what kind of experiance is that exactly?
During her husbands administration, she tried to revamp helth care – and failed in the attempt. I believe that she does reparesent the status quo of buisness as usual and I do not think she is an agent for change, she says she is because that’s what she thinks will get her elected.
She is like Bill Clinton except in 3 ways, she has no charm, no charisma and is a woman,(not that being a woman is bad, after all England had Margret Thathcher – but she is no Margret Thatcher!)
She is also one of the most polarizing people in American policitcs today.
People may do well to remember her before she re-invented herself but please America don’t be fooled by Mrs Clinton new cloaths – look carefully, very carefully and you may see they have not changed so very much. -
So don’t believe the spin belive in the voice of your heart, we need change, we need vision and leadership more than ever and I do not believe that Sen. Clinton can provide what this nation apears to be seeking.
Finally if you should disagree with my anylisis, certainly by all means you may – but above all please remember that all of this does not count for anything with out your vote so add your voice to the chorous for change or against change – but make sure that you vote in accordenace with the convictions of your best belief and I certainly can’t argue with that.
Posted by: Richard Jack | January 6, 2008, 12:03 am 12:03 am
Hillary looked angry, frustrated and ready to have a meltdown on stage!!! Her feelings are hurt???
Posted by: Undecided2008 | January 6, 2008, 12:04 am 12:04 am
i agree with steve, mccain’s comments just caused him to look like a bully. i thought romney handled himself very well.
Posted by: sunia | January 6, 2008, 12:09 am 12:09 am
I think Edwards won overall… I like Obama, but he looked tired during the debate (like he didn’t want to be there) and Hillary acted like a very angery and bitter women. She better hurry up and get over her Iowa loss or she won’t even get 29% next time!!!
Posted by: Undecided2008 | January 6, 2008, 12:13 am 12:13 am
Terrible article, if anyone suffered tonight it was McCain with his childish personal attacks. Mitt sounded intelligent and informed on the isssues. Obviously the media is going to spin it and say Mitt suffered, but that can be expected from the biased reporters at ABC. Romney won easily tonight and McCain and Huckabee came off as little children, ignorant on the issues that America Cares about. Go back to Journalism 101, you must have failed.
Posted by: Dan | January 6, 2008, 12:15 am 12:15 am
we love u hilary change is not a word It is action.
Posted by: vision | January 6, 2008, 12:18 am 12:18 am
This post is indicative of the same challenges that women encounter in the workplace when they try and assert themselves. I am undecided, but there are definitely still stereotypes on how men and women are “allowed” to defend themselves.
Why is it when a man defends himself or his record, he doesn’t come across as angry and/or bitter (to quote Undecided)?
Posted by: Stereotypes Still Exist | January 6, 2008, 12:19 am 12:19 am
I believe Romani handled himself well. Mccain was coming like an arrogant bully was targeting personally rather than tackling policy matters. I will now vote for Romani, not arrogant McCain.
Foreigner
Posted by: Foreigner | January 6, 2008, 12:19 am 12:19 am
Obama showed great poise and offered clear and ‘specific’ agenda items which elevated him high above Hillary and John. Hillary was laughable and actually said that the only change she could offer America was her gender…pathetic.
Posted by: Ian | January 6, 2008, 12:19 am 12:19 am
Obama showed great poise and offered clear and ‘specific’ agenda items which elevated him high above Hillary and John. Hillary was laughable and actually said that the only change she could offer America was her gender…pathetic.
Posted by: Ian | January 6, 2008, 12:21 am 12:21 am
I feel that Gov Romney handled the personal attacks by Senator McCain very well. He did not get angry and frustrated, but sticked to the issues and defended his use of advertisements to point out the strong difference between his and Senator McCain’s positions on illegal immigration. It seems to be a very touchy issue for McCain and his only defense was to backlash at Romney with personal attacks and slide remarks. For a 71 year old man with all his experience I feel it was a very juvenile display of his character. Stick to the issues Mr. McCain. If you cannot properly defend your support of amnesty for illegal immigrants, admit you were wrong and take it like a man.
Posted by: rv | January 6, 2008, 12:21 am 12:21 am
Hillary was the only one who talked sense today. Edwards behaved like a nut case with his $400 hair cut. Obama was all talk and no substance. Of course he can win an Iowa caucus by trucking a bus load of Illinois students and volunteers to vote for him in Iowa. There are still other primaries ahead
Posted by: ditto | January 6, 2008, 12:22 am 12:22 am
i disagree with this. I believe that Hillary did rather well. You know what the prove is going to be in the pudding. And the exp.will prevail. That will be Hillary.. I believe that N.H. will back her up.She has backed N.H. I donot believe they will let her down..greg..
Posted by: greg | January 6, 2008, 12:22 am 12:22 am
I don’t understand what Hillary’s “experience” is supposed to be about. She was hardly ever at the White House when Bill was president. He gave her the health bill and she refused to let the doctors in on it, and so, of course it failed.
What 35 years of experience?
I see her not connecting with people today. She seems to be she’s entitled to women’s votes. She isn’t. No one is.
I really resent she plays the “I’m a woman” card–that’s supposed to be the change she’s going to bring the U.S. Please. She says if she’s elected it will put a woman in office and that’s change. I noticed Obama didn’t play the race card, though he certainly could have.
I do believe this country needs to change, but also to draw upon the best within ourselves and to actively participate in helping reshape the country’s priorities. I appreciate that Obama believes the people ought to be included, and indeed, will be.
He has run his campaign that way. No lobby money, everyone, including the traditionally nonvoting younger generation, are asked to take up their share of the responsibility for positive change.
Hillary has never grasped that idea. After tonight I wonder if she even understands it.
I am a woman, and I am most certainly voting for Obama now!
Posted by: carol | January 6, 2008, 12:23 am 12:23 am
I thought the attacks on Romney, by McCain and Huckabee in particular, came across as somewhat childish. I was undecided before the debate (between Romney and McCain), but will definitely go with Romney. He stayed above the fray, looked and sounded presidential and had the right answers on the issues. Huckabee would be a gift to the democrats and the left wing press knows this, that’s why they promote him.
Posted by: Kyle Barnhill | January 6, 2008, 12:25 am 12:25 am
Romney was the most mature candidate on the stage tonite. Way to rise above the rhetoric and insults. He was strong in his strategies. A man with a plan with principles. McCain was a childish name caller. I lost respect for him tonite.
Posted by: Maurey | January 6, 2008, 12:25 am 12:25 am
Here again Obama showed conviction, superior knowledge and his ability to handle attacts from Hillary with respect yet distinguishingly. I love Hillary but its time to call it. An Obama/Edwards ticket is shaping up. Dont you think with Edwards constantly siding with Obama in every issue raised.
Posted by: Observer2008 | January 6, 2008, 12:27 am 12:27 am
Rick, I disagree with you completely- I believe Hillary showed strength in the face of a tag team attempt by Edwards. She stood up to all attacks tonight. She was the strongest candidate by far this evening, only proving that she is the right choice for the Presidency. It’s often said she doesn’t show enough emotion, yet when she does that is cricitized as well. Was she supposed to sit ‘demurely’ by while Edwards repeatedly referred to her- not even by her name- but by ‘status quo’? Good try, but Sen. Clinton is not going to sit idly by – which is exactly what we need in a President. Instead, Sen. Clinton focused on what she has accomplished that makes her the most qualified candidate for the position. I don’t see that as a negative.
Posted by: PB in nh | January 6, 2008, 12:31 am 12:31 am
I thought McCain’s continual personal attacks on Romney were childish. I was undecided before tonight on McCain but now I know I will definitely not vote for McCain. I will either vote for Romney or Rudy G.
Posted by: Greg | January 6, 2008, 12:34 am 12:34 am
I have watched every debate this past year. I disagree completely with this read on the Dems debate. This was Hillary Clinton at her best.
Posted by: Mary Spirito | January 6, 2008, 12:34 am 12:34 am
Unfortunately, I could not watch the democrats debate. As for the republican debate I must say that I truly liked the format. I learned alot more about the candidates. My top runners are McCain, Romney, and Giuliani – in that order. I felt that both McCain and Romney held their own. Romney was a bit hypocritical when he moaned about personal attacks. His ads have been disappointingly negative and when the gauntlet is thrown, well be prepared for the consequences. I did not feel that McCain was childish – I felt that he put Romney in his place. That said, I still appreciated all three of my top contenders positions – even when they differed. Thank you to ABC for coming up with a more viewable format!
Posted by: Sheryl | January 6, 2008, 12:35 am 12:35 am
I agree with all of the comments about Romney. His adds have been described as attack adds. I have watched each of them and they have not been characterized by the childish sort of attacks that were made tonight. He is simply pointing out differences in issues. McCain and Huckabee cannot say the same.
Posted by: Todd | January 6, 2008, 12:36 am 12:36 am
The above article is so bias. Hillary Rocks!!!! She made a very powerful message to all Americans. This is a wake-up call to every Americans; we need to put the right candidate in the White House who will fix the damages and will get it right and get the job done. Hillary is very knowlegeable and experienced as well as the most prepared candidate. Everyone should learn a lesson about George Bush’s slogan of change in the past and promises but not delivering them.
Posted by: Independent | January 6, 2008, 12:36 am 12:36 am
I just would like to say this debate was one of the best I have ever seen. The frank and open exchange of ideas (without too many restrictions from the moderators!) makes me proud to be in a country where we are allowed to debate the current issues.
The responses on these forums about the two debates has also reaffirmed my belief in the informed American voter. Thank you.
Posted by: Marshall in NH | January 6, 2008, 12:41 am 12:41 am
PB in nh is right, it’s absolutely ridiculous and pathetic how when Clinton doesn’t show emotion, she’s criticised, and when she does show emotion like in this debate, she’s still criticsed.
Posted by: KYQ | January 6, 2008, 12:42 am 12:42 am
Mccain looked out of control and non-presidential. Romney responded well to the personal attacks. What an absolutely naive article!!!! I don’t thing Rick Klein was watching the same debate. If so, he definitely has a thing against Romney.
Posted by: Michael | January 6, 2008, 12:44 am 12:44 am
If a man would have made comments in a similar tone as Hillary, they would have been given no attention. As a man, I am disappointed that other men are not acknowledging their own sexist attitudes that are influencing their perception of Hillary as a formidable candidate.
Don’t confuse her passion and energy with “anger” or being a “bitter woman.” Hillary truly did a great job in this debate. She stood her ground, but it seems as this is threatening to other men. Don’t let your issues with seeing a powerful, intelligent, and capable woman cloud the reality that she is ready to lead our country and bring about the change we need.
Posted by: TR | January 6, 2008, 12:44 am 12:44 am
I think Clinton had a great debate. She was substantive and presented herself as the candidate with the best experience to face the trying times ahead. It’s surprising that you find Clinton’s defense of herself as a low point. I thought it was a high point because she clearly distinguished herself from Obama and the other candidates in a positve way. I think that what she is encountering (from you and others) is the backlash (subliminal or not) of being the first woman candidate for president with a real shot at winning. (And, I am a male.) On virtually every level, she is the best Democratic candidate running. She’s tested enough, tried enough and true enough to actually get things done, rather than just talk about getting things done. Talking about change is easy. Getting it done requires a dedication to hard work and sharp elbows. She’s got my vote!
Posted by: Paul | January 6, 2008, 12:44 am 12:44 am
Hillary would do herself more good if she could only speak in more dignified way, and more respectful terms to others. Instead, she looks proud, and I might say also now harried, shrill and worried. Obama speaks with ease and confidence, as you would expect from the President of the United State and leader of the free world. Furthermore, there is a veiled racial undertone in many of her assertions against Obama. President Clinton used to speak of a more perfect union. Can the Clintons show at this time that they really believe in what they were saying, instead of being consumed with a sense of entitlement? Funny enough, this kind of challenge faced another well-known liberal Democrat, Dean Rusk. He failed the test when he disappoved of a blackman marrying his daughter! Finally, while one must agree the Clinton years in the White House was good for America, there were also many missteps in the Clinton years. And if Republicans believe in dynastic rule, Democrats of all people must reject it! That is where Obama’s inspiration and sense of change count most.
Posted by: udo sam | January 6, 2008, 12:45 am 12:45 am
I have to say that Hillary came off as a person that gets flustered very easily and she definitely has resorted to mudslinging…..you could see her stewing! She talks about the economy and her ‘experience’, but the wheels of change started when Bill began ruining our economy and his inner sanctum started talking about ‘recession’ right near the end of his term. The Clinton White House gave China the keys to the Cadillac (so to speak), never came up with a health care reform remedy (Hills pet project), told us it took a village to raise a child (how about parental responsibility?), and furthermore Bill embarrassed our nation by having extra-marital affairs (as a Commander in Chief that is unacceptable); And this does not include the horrendous military cuts. As a Democratic, you have to put your vote in for either Obama or Edwards as they showed class, hunger and a general likability about them…….And if I hear Richardson talk one more time about his experience in the Energy Dept., I think I’ll puke. Best Regards to all.
Posted by: Lee | January 6, 2008, 12:46 am 12:46 am
I agree Hillary has more experience than Obama. But experience at what? Putting the best spin on she and her husband’s performance as President and First Lady? I refuse to relive the past deceptions and attacks I remember during their tenure in the Whitehouse. They were so good at it! I think Obama or Edwards, either one, would at least give us their honesty DAY ONE as President. And their hopefulness and passion exceeds experience alone.
Posted by: j. humphry | January 6, 2008, 12:46 am 12:46 am
Romney deserved all he got and then some.
For someone to have the chutzpah to run negative ads on opponents attacking them on something he himself supported as recently as 2006 (immigration reform)
that takes a lot of chutzpah and or arrogance.
so slick boy Mitt deserved all the headslaps he got
And then some
Posted by: Bogey | January 6, 2008, 12:46 am 12:46 am
I thought McCain’s continual personal attacks on Romney were childish. I was undecided before tonight on McCain but now I know I will definitely not vote for McCain. I will either vote for Romney or Rudy G.
Posted by: John | January 6, 2008, 12:48 am 12:48 am
Bogey: Romney has not been dishonest about anything in his comparative ads! He has not responded with personal attacks like Mccain and Huckabee. He is definitely a more refined individual and much more capable of representing this country with dignity.
Posted by: Michael | January 6, 2008, 12:49 am 12:49 am
Hillary Clinton for too long was riding atop the polls by flaunting her name and using meaningless slogans besides having a large war chest. She, however, lacked substance and her claim of 35 years of representing change is questionable. The Senator’s voting record and rhetoric, such as authorizing and funding the Iraq War, are at odds and quite hypocritical. In my judgment, Senator Clinton represents what needs to be changed, whining politicians who wish to have it both ways, such as support President Bush’s wars while at the same time oppose them. You can not have it both ways. Sorry, Senator, you do not represent change at all but merely a continuation of what’s wrong with our system.
Posted by: mongo100 | January 6, 2008, 12:49 am 12:49 am
It’s alarming that some folks still support or defend Romney. We need to pass out some snake oil detectors.
Posted by: DP | January 6, 2008, 12:50 am 12:50 am
I thought Hilary and Edwards both did well. Hilary always does well. Obama doesn’t like to talk about policies and issues in small soundbytes.
But I will be voting for Obama.
You can’t bring about “change” when you have almost 50% of the country galvanized against you and you are the third most politically divisive person in the country, after W and Dick.
A lot of this really I don’t consider to be her ‘fault’, but it is what it is, you can’t get around it. I have an idea of what I’d be getting with Hilary Clinton, but that’s not good enough for me, I want something MORE – and that’s what I’m hoping to get with Obama. His comments and my gut tell me he has the right “instincts” -
and he will have far more political capital and a mandate than Hilary could ever have.
Posted by: Bogey | January 6, 2008, 12:50 am 12:50 am
I agree with this article. Clinton thought that fmr Senator Edwards was going to side with her when she started to trash Senator Obama. She was surprised when he took Senator Obama’s side in the argument. Edwards proceeded to take Clinton on and Senator Obama looked Presidential. When Clinton tried to hit Senator Obama, he simply looked like Senator J. Kennedy against Richard Nixon. He just took her hits in stride and came back at her in a nice way.
Posted by: Lynn, Millington | January 6, 2008, 12:50 am 12:50 am
I WAS IMPRESSED WITH HILLARY WHEN SHE PICKED UP ON EDWARDS COMMENT THAT HE WAS PROUD OF THE PATIENTS RIGHTS BILL AND HILLARY LET IT BE KNOWN THAT THE BILL DID NOT PASS.
Posted by: MARCIA | January 6, 2008, 12:51 am 12:51 am
I watched from Seattle the online video in one window and your blog in another. Mr Klein misreads Clinton’s self defence and the conviction she brought to it. Unfortunately he uses his position to display his own sexual stereotyping of women. American media gush over Obama. But not to far in the future they will tear him down brutally when his charisma no longer stands the light of day. Charismatic leadership is the weakest form of leadership. Just like the media tore down Howard Dean, Eugene McCarthy, George McGovern after they gave him the mantle of a new kind of leader, they will tear apart Obama and give the presidency again to the Republicans. The candidates spoke for themselves well tonight, but the post debate analysis ruins the debates and obscures the real merits of each candidate. You guys really do engage in a mean-spirited sport.
Posted by: Franklin F | January 6, 2008, 12:51 am 12:51 am
Why doesn’t anyone ask Edwards and Obama why they think they have the right to be President of the United States. “Change” is just a nice word that they throw around like sand but Washington DC is not friendly to newcomers and they are so new it is not funny. I am not a huge Hillary fan but at least she knows the ins and outs of Washington DC and can get to work quick. The other two will flounder like headless chickens for the first 2 years. We can not afford that now. I think the only viable candidates, not necessarily ones I agree with, are Hillary, McCain and Richardson. I wish just any smart person could become President and hit the ground running but it wont happen. Washington will crush them and make them “Assimilate” like all others before them. They are going to go after Lobbyist, which ones the ones that protect our food safety or animal rights??? Lobbyist are not criminals and I have to agree with Hillary some are fighting for the little guy and others are fighting against. What is needed is reform, not gutting, the system to make sure that it is done legit. It just bugs me that everyone is knocking Hillary but not the others, at least she has been in the fight for really all of her life. That makes me support her more than these other guys that haven’t been in politics that long at all AND they want to be President and people are supporting them. COME ON!!!
McCain is another one that has devoted his whole life to serving this country. Talk is cheap and yeah Obama talks better than Hillary but SO WHAT??? I can guarantee you that our enemies will be rejoicing when He or any of the other candidates with no experience with Washington DC get elected. They are going to make life miserable… Presidential candidates should all be required to have certain experience credentials.
Posted by: Matters? | January 6, 2008, 12:52 am 12:52 am
I thought that Romney and Thompson had an impressive night tonight. Romney recieved and responded to critizism in a very rare, dignified manner that many candidates lack. I also enjoyed Guliani’s take on why people should vote for him over Obama. I thought that ABC’s format was the best that I’ve seen so far. Great debate!
Posted by: Clayton | January 6, 2008, 12:52 am 12:52 am
To Ian-did you watch the debate or not.
Hillary didnot say there would be change because she was a woman. When she spoke of change-she spoke about that you cannot just say change-that it requires hard work.
The problem with Obama and his new brown-nosing friend Edwards is they just believe in rhetoric and firing up the troops with a lot of inspiration but I doubt if either have the prespiration to make it happen. Hillary has been fighting for causes(esp children)while Edwards was getting rich at trials and Edwards was busy being an academic.
Posted by: JP from HB | January 6, 2008, 12:53 am 12:53 am
Michael, I would respect Romney if he presented himself as what he was in Mass, and what I think he is a moderate “technocrat”.
Instead in an attempt to be all things to all people. he’s a lifelong hunter. talks about Jeeesus and Family values a lot, does a 180 on immigration and on and on
And he has no and knows nothing on foreign policy (none of them do save for McCain, Guliani just talks like a tough guy, knows little, like W)
for me now, it’s ABR (anybody BUT Romney)
Posted by: Bogey | January 6, 2008, 12:53 am 12:53 am
Senator Clinton did not come off well tonight. You can see a certain amount of open hostility she holds with respect to losing her front-runner status. That hurt her ability to convey otherwise sound arguments.
It reminds me of Al Gore’s huffing and puffing display in his debate against Bush. It just doesn’t come off as Presidential.
It will be interesting to see how Edwards’ defense of Obama plays out.
With respect to McCain, he could have ratcheted down the Romney attacks some. However, a couple were really pretty funny. Particularly the “I really do believe you are the candidate of change” comment. However, there were a couple times when, in order to get in a zinger, he talked over Romney.
Posted by: Matt | January 6, 2008, 12:53 am 12:53 am
Maybe there IS a difference between how people perceive strong women and strong men. I thought Clinton was just fine when she was having this exchange.
I’m from New Hampshire and Ron Paul rang every bell there was to ring in this state.
We are all libertarians at heart, and I no longer believe McCain will get the Indy vote to the extent that I thought he might after Iowa.
Also, everyone (watching in my living room) disagreed with the pundits on Fred being good. We all fell asleep on every answer.
We thought Mitt held his own.
We thought, in general, that the Democrats all did better than the Republicans.
We also all thought ABC and Charles Gibson did a great job.
This was not a silly debate with a bunch of Tim Russert gotcha questions.
THANK YOU for that.
Posted by: Jan | January 6, 2008, 12:53 am 12:53 am
Well put Clayton. I completely agree with you. Thompson looked good, so did Guliani. The only two that came across as lacking was Huckabee and Mccain.
Posted by: Michael | January 6, 2008, 12:53 am 12:53 am
Tonight was a very interesting debate with both parties. It was a refreshing change from the CNN format of debating. Maybe CNN will come up with a different format next time so the debates will be kept interesting.
It’s tough having to answer the questions in live time and I thought every one of them did a good to excellent job. It did look like they were all tired and I can understand why.
To me there was no clear winner but it seemes like “change” seems to be the key word. Even McCain was giving praise to Obama for his win in Iowa. Clinton seemed very informed and it seems her new message is, “change and I’ve already done it”
Posted by: wayne | January 6, 2008, 12:54 am 12:54 am
This article is inaccurate. I beleive Gov. Romney did himself good. He stayed above the fray. He stuck to the issues and made Mccain, Huckabee and the others look out of their league. Gov. Romney showed he can take a punch and will be able to stand up to the Democratic attack onslauht if he should get the nomination. Mccain & Thompson looked old and tired. Huckabee looked lost and as a result resorted to preaching on the pulpit. Please New Hampsire, vote with your head no your heart. Romney is the only hope for the Republican Party. Please send Mccain back to Arizona and Huckabee back to preaching in Arkansas.
Keep fighting Governor Romney. I know you have to fight those jealous bastards and the MSM, but you have support out here. Keep going!
Posted by: Frank Simpson | January 6, 2008, 12:54 am 12:54 am
How can anybody in their right mind vote for Mcain or Huckabee over Romney? Has this country gone insane?
Posted by: Arturo | January 6, 2008, 12:55 am 12:55 am
Here’s everything I know, I think my fellow Americans should know it too!And before my comments, let me say that I came into the debate undecided on my choice for the primary. Regarding the Republican debate, John McCain was very direct with his views and fully maintained a impressive demeanor when it came to Romneys ridiculous attitude/dirty ways. Tommy Thompson is a very intelligent man who carries himself in a strong way. Ron Paul is nothing more than a joke, who should be on the other ticket. Romney appears to be very defensive when confronted and does not seem very secure. Huckabee was out of the way in this one, aside for a indirect comment stating that he is anti-abortion. And Rudy G. invoked the name Ronald Reagan a little more than I would have liked, whereas I feel that he has some excellent plans for the nation and should stay more focused on that. So with all that being said, I give points to McCain and Thompson for jobs well done and one of the two will be receiving my vote as they both possess excellent leadership qualities.
Posted by: chgoJR | January 6, 2008, 12:57 am 12:57 am
Was Rick Klein watching the debate in New Hampshire tonight? McCain clearly had one of the worst performances of the group. He was immature and childish…unable to effectively debate the issues without personally attacking Romney. This is exactly why we have gridlock in Washington. Like McCain, Washington is not able to openly and honestly and rigourous debate ISSUES. Rather, they make snide comments at each other, roll their eyes, snicker, and personally attack each other. I’ve had enough. McCain put on a clinic tonight, perfectly exemplifying why DC doesn’t work. I have to say, his snide comment directed at Romney about ‘candiate of change’ was particularly ridiculous. Mabye Klein thinks that kind of crap is acceptable behavior from one who aspires to be president. We should all expect more. Ridiculous.
Posted by: RMG | January 6, 2008, 12:58 am 12:58 am
Really confused on were Junior senator Clinton comes up with 35 years experience. If using the poor and middle class people for her own advances for 35 years then I guess that should count for something. Whether your a women a man or black or white just tell the freaking truth you would be surprised how far you’ll go with all americans. You might even get elected president of this great country.
Posted by: Dan | January 6, 2008, 1:01 am 1:01 am
To all Americans: Please do not elect a president who does not have enough experience, this country went down because of inexperience George Bush, who lured our young soldiers to costly war. The dollar rate is already down and will continue to go down, so as the housing market. Please do not be fool about the word change. Action speaks louder than words. Look at each candidate’s record and experience. I think either Hillary or Mccain will do an excellent job.
Posted by: Very Independent | January 6, 2008, 1:01 am 1:01 am
As I have observed the increase in poll numbers for John McCain in New Hampshire as of lately, I really thought I’d see him tonight conduct himself that would reflect his surge in that state. Having lived in the state of Arizona for nearly twenty years, prior to my move a few years ago, I was very fond of our Senator, however tonight as thousands have observed, John McCain showed what his true colors were all about. He acted in a juvenile manner and it was rather dispicable to observe him resort to the name calling and deliver the low blows that he did to Mitt Romney. I admire how Mitt handled those situations and was the better man to not act the way McCain did in any type of Response. Huckabee should have just stayed home. Lost some respect for McCain and gained much more for Mitt. He’s got my vote.
Posted by: John | January 6, 2008, 1:03 am 1:03 am
I’ve always been a Romney supporter, and tonight reminded my why I always be – substance, knowledge, maturity, conservative, leadership! GO MITT!!
Posted by: John | January 6, 2008, 1:04 am 1:04 am
I couldn’t agree more with the comments about John McCain coming off as childish. My choices had been Romney then McCain then Huckabee then Rudy and then Duncan Hunter or Fred Thompson. When McCain attacked Gov. Romney with the “change” (cough, cough)joke. I lost all respect for him. I wanted a Romney/McCain ticket now I would rather have Ron Paul in the White House than John McCain. Sen. McCain you went to far this time.
Posted by: Jerry | January 6, 2008, 1:06 am 1:06 am
Well, I’m glad Hillary defended herself, at least she has some passion and doesn’t just talk the talk. She KNOWS what’s involved in being the President!! For goodness sake, she was in the White House for 8 years. She knows what shes in for. As for Obama…I think he’s just a lot of talk. He’s a newbie in the political arena and I would much prefer to have someone with experience than just a lot of hot air!!
Posted by: Ann | January 6, 2008, 1:06 am 1:06 am
Hillary was awful tonight in losing her temper. And she blames Bush for every single answer but doesn’t tell us what she is going to do. And then saying the change she could offer was a woman in the White House? Lame. Romney was good but he did come across as a little bit of a bully with McCain. Huckabee was solid but wasn’t involved as much.
Posted by: Steve | January 6, 2008, 1:08 am 1:08 am
I’ve watched every debate on both parties. Tonight, I thought John McCain was very nasty toward Gov. Romney and I was VERY disappointed in him. I think he is afraid that the Indepaendent voters will go from him to Senator Obama. Up until this point I had been seriously considering voting for him, but now will not. And Gov. Huckabee was despicable. He may be an elegant speaker because he is also a former Evangelical Baptist preacher, but is there ever a dark side. He seemed to be enjoying himself with that smile at moments towards Gov. Romney, when he was sticking the knife in. My vote will go to Gov. Romney. I have found his ads have been more informative than attack ads. As far as the Democratic debate, Hillary is manipulative and so much of the “Clinton” political machine. Now, she’s the Change candidate? I don’t think so. I think Sen. Obama won that debate. Hw was expicit in his answers and has remained consistent.
Posted by: Pam | January 6, 2008, 1:08 am 1:08 am
Why do you feel Romney came across as a bully with Mccain?
Posted by: Michael | January 6, 2008, 1:09 am 1:09 am
Dan, if you are confused about Hillary’s 35 years of experience -why don’t you just go over to one of your local bookstores and pick up one of her books and read it. You might realize that over those 35 years she has been involved in working on causes for the underprivledged while her competitors in this race were either getting rich(Edwards) or living in a fantasy world of Academia(Obama)
Posted by: JP from HB | January 6, 2008, 1:09 am 1:09 am
Watching tonight’s debate swung my vote from Edwards to Obama. I found him very honest and personable. Plus, I support anyone willing to take on lobbiest, even if I don’t completely trust him in that regard. If forced to choose between Hilary and a Republican, I will vote 3rd party. I cannot forget that, during the Clinton administration, Arlington cometary lots were sold and that rooms were rented out in the White House. Plus, look at who they did pardon and look at who they didn’t. (Leanord Peltier…) Every time she talked about experienced and all the good deeds she’d accomplished I thought of all these things that never seemed to get addressed anymore. Are we supposed to have forgotten them? I’m a liberal. I want someone who is going to at least pretend to work for me, not better herself. Tonight, she came off bitter and, at times, smug. I felt like Clinton had teamed up with Richards; Obama with Edwards. It was like you could see President and Vice President.
Posted by: Saillie | January 6, 2008, 1:09 am 1:09 am
I have to say, this article is so skewed from what was seen in the debate. I thoroughly enjoyed the debate but felt Romney came out looking like the only one with dignity. mc(Cain) and huck(Abel) were like two baby brothers that were scared of losing. They were completely childish in their attacks. Romney was impressive in each of his responses and handled his attackers maturely and professionally. I think most voters will see through the media spin.
Posted by: Truman Angell | January 6, 2008, 1:10 am 1:10 am
Huckabee was despicable? How? You clearly are just going off of what you thought coming into the debate, not what actually happened. Huckabee didn’t say anything inflammatory. You are a clear Romney supporter, not that there is anything wrong with that…
Posted by: Ann | January 6, 2008, 1:11 am 1:11 am
When I was watching, Romney interrupted McCain repeatedly and tried to talk louder than him. He kept trying to run the entire debate and didn’t give other people enough time to speak. And I am a Romney supporter, overall…now maybe McCain precipitated it, I don’t know. Romney kept saying everyone was attacking him but he has done quite a bit of that to others.
Posted by: Steve | January 6, 2008, 1:13 am 1:13 am
Has she ever earned a paycheck before Bill Clinton retired??? I mean seriously.
What 35 yrs of experience??? Why doesn’t anyone challenge her in that??? What did she do in the Arkansas days???? Her only real job without her husband’s influence (to some extent) was to be US Senator! My dad was a doc and my mother a teacher. Does that make her a doctor or a nurse by virtue of marriage or sharing the same bed???
Hillary gets so flustered and impatient. I wouldnt want her to represent the country in times of high stress.
Obama was too dignified to address her mud slinging.
How many years of Clinton-Bush are we going to have??? Its been over 25 yrs of these 2 families! Whats next?? Jeb Bush???? Chelsea Clinton????
Thats not change! Thats more of the Same.
Posted by: Kay | January 6, 2008, 1:13 am 1:13 am
Were the majority of you people truly watching the debate? I cannot see how you are saying McCain was ‘bullying’ Romney or being too tough towards him. McCain was right to the point and showed great leadership qualities. Look at the condescending smiles from Romney and that shows ‘SNAKE’ to me. I WILL be giving my vote (and my volunteer) time to McCain after tonights dynamic performance.
Posted by: chgoJR | January 6, 2008, 1:13 am 1:13 am
I don’t understand Hillary’s claim of 35 years of experience… I wouldn’t allow myself to be operated on by the wife of a surgeon, I would want the wife of a police officer to respond to a home invasion, I don’t think we would send the wives of soldiers to Iraq. Experience of first lady doesn’t = experience as a president anymore than being the wife of a CEO qualifies you to be a CEO.
Posted by: IndieVoter | January 6, 2008, 1:15 am 1:15 am
ChgoJR: We must not have been watching the same debate because McCain really disappointed me. I was debating between McCain and Romney and tonights embarrassingly childish performance leaves me know real clear choice but Romney. His behavior was much more presidential than McCain’s.
Posted by: Michael | January 6, 2008, 1:17 am 1:17 am
Obama can barely contain his smugness. His comment about Hillary being “likeable enough” was childish. And then coming back to it later in the debate was even worse. Civil rights icon Andrew Young and so many others are correct — Obama is too immature for the presidency. Plus, he looked bored, like he was above it all because he already has it all wrapped up.
Posted by: Derrick | January 6, 2008, 1:17 am 1:17 am
This article is so terrible I don’t know where to start.
First, what happened to John Edwards? I could have sworn he was there tonight.
Second, your job as a journalist is to report fact, not make it up. How do you know what Clinton was feeling? While you’re telling everyone whose argument is best and what each person was feeling, why don’t you save the rest of us the trouble and just go appoint the nominees yourself?
Posted by: Orange | January 6, 2008, 1:18 am 1:18 am
I am not a Ron Paul supporter but I have to admit, if he weren’t so radical on his foreign policy stance I might consider him.
Posted by: Michael | January 6, 2008, 1:18 am 1:18 am
I would have to disagree with chgoJR. I felt that all of Romney’s comments were founded in the issues and that McCain would try and change the subject when Romney brought something to light. McCain responded with unimpressive personal attacks that only lowered my respect for the senator. Too bad.
Posted by: Clayton | January 6, 2008, 1:19 am 1:19 am
As I watched the GOP debate, I was impressed with ROMNEY. Of all the candidates he was the most articulate, professional and stuck with the issues. There were a lot of “cheap shots” directed towards him and he handled them in stride. I guess that is expected in a debate, but I am beginning to feel this shows who each candidate feels is the greatest threat to them. The GOP field weakens considerably without Romney. In addition, THOMPSON had a pretty good night. GIULIANI probably had the third best performance of the night. MCCAIN spoke little on the issues and focussed on jabs to Romney. Where was HUCKABEE tonight? He seemed to be nonexistent. PAUL, as usual held strong to his views, but those views seem to be outside of the current GOP. Being I am from Pennsylvania and will not get a chance to cast my vote for a few months, I hope the people of NH see through the “cheap shots” on Romney. Can anyone really picture McCain standing as president? I sure cannot.
Posted by: Bryan | January 6, 2008, 1:26 am 1:26 am
Romney did an excellent job at the debate. ABC is clearly biased against Romney
Posted by: Dillon | January 6, 2008, 1:26 am 1:26 am
Why were McCain and Huck out for blood tonight? They complain about Romney’s attack ads yet they just wouldn’t stop with the personal attacks.
I definitely won’t vote for either McCain or Huck now. I will probably vote for Rudy.
Posted by: Frank | January 6, 2008, 1:27 am 1:27 am
Who is the journalist that wrote this article ? I don’t want your opinion. Where you actually listening to what was being said ?
Posted by: Tim Hudson | January 6, 2008, 1:27 am 1:27 am
Chgojr,
I am an Independent. I was just turned off by McCain’s personal attacks. I don’t mind Romney’s smile. It probably won’t be enough for me not to vote for him.
Posted by: Michael | January 6, 2008, 1:28 am 1:28 am
OBAMA/EDWARDS 08 !
Posted by: Steave | January 6, 2008, 1:28 am 1:28 am
I am not surprised why so many college students like Obama; it’s because they believe Obama can deliver change. But hold up, For you all college students out there: Please do yourself a favor. Do not get carried away of the word change that Obama might deliver because we do not know that yet; Hillary already had done a lot of change and helped New Hampshire healthcare system. Hillary has been there and done that.
Posted by: So Independent | January 6, 2008, 1:30 am 1:30 am
chgoJR: Actually Romney’s not my man yet… but this debate made me lean more towards him. He seems much more capacitated to deal with the issues that this Nation is facing rather than get into personal conflicts which presently plagues Washington (and apparently McCain).
Posted by: Clayton | January 6, 2008, 1:30 am 1:30 am
I agree about the “cheap shots” by McCain toward Romney. Anyone watching had to be cringing at how mean spirited they were. McCain just seemed mean and seemed to be having fun doing it. McCain lost a lot of votes tonight guaranteed….
I don’t know who I am going to vote for yet. But, I am definitely not going to vote for McCain. McCain did horrible tonight.
Posted by: Jim Anderson | January 6, 2008, 1:30 am 1:30 am
Hillary is a follower not a leader. Although she has a remarkable record of service, she did not run for office until she thought she was sure she could win. That is why she represents the status quo…she does not take the risks a visionary leader would.
Posted by: Citizen Sophisticate | January 6, 2008, 1:31 am 1:31 am
MAdem:
apparently Hillary is using her Arkansas days as experience as well. so that “adds” up to “35″ yrs.
She’s been in the corrupt system too long. Time for a non BUSH and CLINTON. She’s had 35 yrs with nothing much to show for except her Senate yrs. Thats pure and simple. Other than her failure on health care during Clinton’s presidency.
Posted by: kay | January 6, 2008, 1:32 am 1:32 am
I thought McCain’s continual personal attacks on Romney were childish. McCain would say his prepared one-liner personal attacks on Romney and then give this goofy smile like he was loving every minute of his attack.
I was undecided before tonight on McCain but now I know I will definitely not vote for McCain. I will either vote for Romney or Rudy G.
I hope voters in NH will be smart enough to not vote for McCain
Posted by: John | January 6, 2008, 1:33 am 1:33 am
All you Romney people bashing McCain, it is no secret that you guys organized to post on various message boards en masse tonight. I have a friend in the Romney cam and that is the edict we were told you all were given. Pathetic!
Posted by: Stuart | January 6, 2008, 1:34 am 1:34 am
Where did they get the info that African-American women were for Hillery? There is one thing for sure, we can identify “fakes” and hidden racial undertones when we hear them. We also know that questions can be worded to seek negative results! I will vote for Obama.
Posted by: Florida Washington Carr | January 6, 2008, 1:34 am 1:34 am
As an independent I think have come to some good conclusions after the debate tonight. ABC’s format was great. The only candidates I can’t support are Edwards, Hillary, Huckabee, Richardson and McCain. They all came across as either too extreme or unequipped.
Posted by: Michael | January 6, 2008, 1:35 am 1:35 am
McCain blew it tonight. He should have stayed above the fray and let Romney be seen as the mean one. McCain should have let Huck and Thomson do the attacks on Romney. Instead, McCain came across as the meanest one on the stage. McCain’s personal attacks made him look mean and childish. I am really afraid McCain will lose in NH because of his poor performance at the debate.
Posted by: Was a McCain supporter | January 6, 2008, 1:37 am 1:37 am
Kay,
obama spent 8 years in the state senate voting present(not quite a stellar performance) Only thing he’s done in the US senate was a good convention speech and to get his senate seat beating Alan Keyes???? Hillary got to the senate the hard way-scaring Guiliani out of the race then running against a sexist pig but trouncing him. Also she had no more a privledged upbringing than obama-she earned her way into those schools-he just wasn’t smart enough to get into the Ivy league school without tranferring!!!
Posted by: JP from HB | January 6, 2008, 1:38 am 1:38 am
Hillary’s “moment” reminded me of Jon Lovitz’s imitation of a frustrated Michael Dukakis, debating Bush 41: “I can’t believe I’m losing to this guy.”
Except, of course, for the fact that HRC is completely humorless… ugh …
Posted by: Chaz L | January 6, 2008, 1:40 am 1:40 am
I am also an independent and agree that ABC format was great. I really enjoyed the debate and how ABC asks some tough questions like to the Dems “The surge in Iraq is working and you have been against it. How do you respond?”
Thanks ABC for a great debate.
I don’t like negative attacks so they only person I ruled out voting for tonight was McCain.
Posted by: Independent | January 6, 2008, 1:40 am 1:40 am
I strongly disagree with this analysis of the debate. Hillary stood up to Edwards and Obama and put them in their place with her “indignant defense”. It was not an indignant defense at all. She was making a point that she is just as capable as change and more likely to actually get it done.
Posted by: Jason | January 6, 2008, 1:43 am 1:43 am
In the debate Edwards and Obama were just mean to Hillary. I think most people are just mean to Hillary. Gallup recently surveyed people who will not vote for Hillary and 40% of the responders said, “they simply did not like her” or it was because she was a woman or because she did not divorce Bill. This is very unfortunate. She is brilliant and is a wonderful policy wonk – what is needed to get things done. I think most people are really sexist and do not want to admit her brilliance.
Posted by: kemprad | January 6, 2008, 1:44 am 1:44 am
To those out there saying that Obama is hot air and inexperienced, you should check out his long record of public and community service and the abundant amount of specifics on a large number of issues available on his campaign website. It’s funny when people say a candidate is full of hot air, when they obviously haven’t taken the time to form an educated opinion. The unprecidented energy and enthusisiam that will propel Barack Obama to the White House is founded on his strong record of accomplishment, integrity and leadership.
Posted by: Isaiah | January 6, 2008, 1:45 am 1:45 am
You have serious problems if you think one debate entitles you to dismiss a candidate. These are normal people just like you and me, under immense pressure and media scrutiny trying to lead our country. We can laugh, bash, and complain about them all we want but lets not forget, they are not robots. So gather your opinions and policy feelings and vote for who stands honestly for them, not for who says big words or who can take the worst verbal thrashing.
Posted by: Robert | January 6, 2008, 1:45 am 1:45 am
Didn’t anyone think McCain did well? McCain’s attacks on Romney were mean but truthful. I think Romney got what he deserved. Even though McCain is not the best debater I still think McCain is the better man. I am guessing McCain was just tired from all the campaigning. That is probably why he didn’t do well tonight. Not that it matters. McCain is surging in the polls and will win.
Posted by: Scott Hamilton | January 6, 2008, 1:46 am 1:46 am
JP:
Obama came from a twice divorced family household and had no “Clinton” last name to help get elected to be a US senator. He actually had to work his way up from the state senate.
What did Hillary do?? Oh thats rite, she inherited her husband’s political machine and infrastrute to run after Guliani pulled out due to cancer. Talk about opportunity.
Hillary’s upbringing and Wesley college as a republican speaks much about who she was before marrying Bill. Apparently Wesley won’t even release her final yr thesis!!! I wonder why…..
Obama was the first non white editor of Harvard’s law review. So that speaks volume about his academic ability. Obama spent yrs as a community organizer earning less than 20K after graduating from an Ivy leave college. What did Hillary do???
He’s a got a record of hardwork and independence from youth to who he is today. She’s got Bill clinton.
Posted by: Kay | January 6, 2008, 1:47 am 1:47 am
Hillary is the best candidate for change because she is ready to lead on Day One and just does not talk the talk. How can you change the current establishment just by talking about it? Furthermore, she is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT about George Bush boasting about the fact that he would be the “UNITER” that he would bring “CHANGE” to Washington. In the end we all know that his lack of experience and conviction led us to where we are right now, weakening dollar, record deficit, Bin Laden still at large, A MISSION ACCOMPLISHED still NEVER ACCOMPLISHED with young American still dying. I have seen Edwards and Obama talk the talk and just so focused on making spirited campaign message that they think people would like to hear. They have done far less then Sen. Clinton in all aspects of public services. I really do not know how they can lead just by talking??? To all American, please take a look at George Bush and the message of his campain in 2000 and again in2004. Do we want to end up with another George Bush like in the Oval Office. The choice is up to you to make.
Posted by: True American | January 6, 2008, 1:48 am 1:48 am
I totally disagree with this article ,first of all did you all expect Hillary to just sit queitly while Obama and Edwards claimed they were different from her ,like Edwards saying he suppored the pts bill of rights which did not get through or Oboma afew other ones she called him up on it ,Hillary showed she is the most suitable for the job and she has a record of change and they could’int prove otherwise or they would have
Posted by: kc | January 6, 2008, 1:48 am 1:48 am
McCain came across why he does not have the temperament to be president.
His childish attacks on Romney were high schoolish at best. He needs to pack it up and go home. Just when people start giving him a second look, they realize they were right the first time. Maybe all those attacks in South Carolina in 2000 about his mental well-being are valid.
Posted by: G. St Ames | January 6, 2008, 1:49 am 1:49 am
The problem I see that Obama will have if he makes it through the primaries is the fact that he has less experience than the potential GOPers. People will ignore the fact that the GOPers are extremists, that their party has been hyjacked by neoconservative religious freaks and that spending during their tenure was absolutely unacceptable. It’s too bad. That’s why we need to vote in Edwards or Clinton during the promaries because they have the experience card to go up against the GOPers.
Posted by: m | January 6, 2008, 1:52 am 1:52 am
Hillary hands down had the most substantive debate responses and the author of this story fails to recognize any of it. I am beginning to believe the national media is dead set on Obama no matter what. He did nothing in the debate to make me vote for him, but Rick Klein is writing the piece as if Obama did a great job. What is going on ?
Posted by: Jeff | January 6, 2008, 1:53 am 1:53 am
Bogey, I will give you the hunting comment. That is one of the only faults I can find with Romney though. He has been accused falsely of flip-flopping on issues. Abortion is really the only issue he has changed his mind on. He did after all always come down on the side of life as governor of Mass. This was far before his presidency run. Don’t you think he has been unfairly portrayed by the media?
Posted by: michael | January 6, 2008, 1:53 am 1:53 am
I can’t believe this article!!! It is clear to me that the press needs to downgrade Mitt Romney’s performance tonight since he is obviously the strongest candidate to oppose the Democrats. Yeah, they hurled cheap shots and Romney handled them with class. McCain and Huckabee were the little kids that parents put into baseball but don’t want anyone to keep score because it might “hurt their feelings”. Romney’s ads have focused on issue differences and not the personal attacks and by the way, does anyone remember all the personal attacks that Huckabee lodged against Mitt’s religion? I wonder what America would be saying if someone was doing that to Huckabee. Huckabee invented negative when he went after a man’s religious right because it was different from his. Talk about narrow minded!! Not what we need in a President. GET IT PEOPLE!!! Democrats NEED Romney to lose. They will chew up McCain and Huckabee and spit them out. Romney is the Republican Party’s best chance at Obama or Hillary.
Posted by: MP | January 6, 2008, 1:53 am 1:53 am
Robert- I do look at the issues and he doesn’t have a track record. I can put up a site that makes me look great. Its the Internet for christ sake. If you are so for obama name 10 things that he stands for that you have seen or heard of not from a website you are directed to.
Posted by: LaJaeric Miller | January 6, 2008, 1:55 am 1:55 am
Kay,
Either you didnot pay attn to the NY senate race or were out of the country at the time. The Clinton political machine could not have done anything to help her win the state of NY as the machine is nat’l not a NY machine. She traveled to every county upstate and worked it and won over many a Republican in doing so. yes, she started off as a Republican as her family was Republican but was inspired to be a democrat (not just from Bill) Read her books instead of just making this stuff up! As for money-neither her or Bill had a penny to their name until after the presidency allowed them to earn it on books and speaking appearances. And from what i understand Obama is not poor anymore so
what’s that all about!!
Posted by: JP from HB | January 6, 2008, 1:55 am 1:55 am
I am a woman, and will NOT be voting for Clinton.
She claims 35 years experience – others have asked the same question, experience of *what?*. She claims to be a feminist, yet spent the entire time as First Lady “standing by her man like Tammy Wynette”. Now I’m supposed to vote for her because she’s a girl??? Give me Geraldine Ferraro, and then we can talk.
Sure, Obama seems to be warm-n-fuzzy, but I saw Obama give his speech in Iowa, with his wife and children there, I instantly flashed back to the Kennedys. “Ask Not What Your Country Can Do For You, Ask What You Can Do For Your Country” is *not* a defined policy statement. It is not a reflection of “experience”. But it led to the peace corps, the civil rights movement, and yes, President Clinton the First.
I’m hoping Obama can rise to the occasion, and be the president we so desperately need.
Posted by: Ari | January 6, 2008, 1:57 am 1:57 am
Hillary voted for the war. WOW, so much experience but no judgment!
And waht an ego she has that she can’t admit she made a mistake unlike Edwards.
Hillary’s duties as first lady is not the experience needed to have good judgment than the professional experience that others possess.
What Obama and Edwards did without the Clinton infrastructure is remarkable. He was a son of a mill worker and Obama dedicated to community organizing and grooming our youth as a law professor (like Bill Clinton) He’s got a track record thats self made unlike Hillary.
I dont need more of the same esp. experience that led this country to a war of choice – Hilary’s vote for the war.
We need a leader who can admit when wrong like Edwards. Not one who’s been fed with a silver spoon all her life and expect to be president because she thinks she deserves it by virtue of Bill Clinton.
Posted by: kay | January 6, 2008, 1:58 am 1:58 am
It’s funny no one is saying “anyone but Huckabee or McCain or any other” but they will about Romney.
Posted by: Phil | January 6, 2008, 1:59 am 1:59 am
Hillary had a right to get angry. How many more of these attacks on her character should she have to endure? She is a leader and advocate for change for better. This has been evident throughout her entire life. One should not question her desire to do something right, and instead allow her the praise for her accomplishments in actually bringing about change for the better. It’s rough that she has had to consistently and unfairly defend this more than anyone else on that stage.
Posted by: Mattia | January 6, 2008, 2:00 am 2:00 am
That is exactly the impression I get from the far right of the GOP party including Thompson, Romney and especially Huckabee. If you aren’t Christian, you are corrupt is basically the underlying message there. It is so insulting it’s rediculous that Americans let it fly just because the majority in this country is Christian.
Posted by: m | January 6, 2008, 2:03 am 2:03 am
I’m sorry but I do not understand how Hillary gets a free pass saying she has 35 years of experience. I believe all but 8 of those years were in non-elected and non-appointed positions. I know people believe that she held some inside experience as first lady, but she really wasn’t apart of the decision-making process. She held no security access and wasn’t apart of cabinet or staff meetings. It may be unfair but a bush-clinton-bush-clinton cycle is hardly change for me.
Posted by: Ryan | January 6, 2008, 2:04 am 2:04 am
Kay. I can only say that you’re so naive. If Obama were to be in the Senate at the same time Clinton was, he would do the same. So what about Edwards? Americans do not need a guy who just does not have principle. When every one is for the war and the public opinion is for it, he would vote for it. When so many Americans have sacrificed and the public opinion is against the war coupled with the fact the he is about to run for President, he jumped out there and apologized for it. If we would run for the Republican ticket he would not even say a word. It is true that Hilary made a mistake, however she is working to fix it. She is nto going to jump around and say I’m sorry without doing nothing to fix it. We need to wake up…
Posted by: True American | January 6, 2008, 2:04 am 2:04 am
How can you people vote for candidates that say that sort of thing? I find it insulting and prejudice against other faiths or people of non-faith. And the fact that most of the GOPers do not believe in evolution shows how close minded and seperated from reality and logic these guys really are.
Posted by: m | January 6, 2008, 2:06 am 2:06 am
Kay,
Now we are on the “war” vote. 1st of all the vote was not to go to war- it was to authorize the president of the United States that if all other options were exhausted and that a true threat to the US existed(nuclear weapons) that the president would have congress support in going to war. This measure was supported by over 1/2 of the democrats in the senate at the time(not just Hillary and John edwards) The fact is that Bush lied to the world about Iraq based on lies by an ex Iraqui Chalabi and that’s why we went to war. Any honest president would not have gone to war with that authority but Bush did.
And for the record Hillary has stated if she new the lies then like she knows now-she wouldnot have voted the authority to Bush-so don’t go making up that Edwards has apologized and she hasn’t!!!
Posted by: JP from HB | January 6, 2008, 2:07 am 2:07 am
JP:
What do you think this “Clinton” machine everyone refers to is?? The machine that arised from Bill’s presidency. The same machine that was critical to her NY senate. Don’t be so naive to think that she did the NY senate all on her own. It is well detailed that she had her eyes on the senate well during her first lady years.
Obama not too long ago paid of his and his wife’s tuition loans as reported in the press last week. His money came from his book sales. You dont really earn much as a community organizer, academic, and state senator. Hillary had Bill’s presidency to count as her experience. What more levarge do you need? and not to mention his top advisers and infrastructure. Obama on the other hand inspired top former Clinton advisors and others to work for him.
Thats what you call self made. And not Bill clinton made.
Posted by: kay | January 6, 2008, 2:08 am 2:08 am
DREAM ON ROMNEY SUPPORTERS! Romney’s barracuda smile won’t fool many except the foolish.
He will not be on the Republican ticket as VEEP because all the other candidates hate him, and if he is the nominee for Pres, a true CONSERVATIVE third party candidate will arise and take enough votes away so that he can’t win.
I hope he hangs on long enough, however, to spend some more of his money!
BTW: Five (5) healthy sons – none of whom ever bothered to serve in the military!
Posted by: Archie | January 6, 2008, 2:08 am 2:08 am
Kay- you fail to realize that Obama wasn’t even a senator then and you must have forgotten how we felt on 9/11. I’m in the military and after the twin towers were blown i was pissed and wanted to go after whoever did it. Had i had know that the intelligence in iraq was false then I would have not have been for it. Its easy for someone to say I was against it from the begining if you heard after the fact that intelligence was flawed. Get real. I could tell everybody the same thing Would it be true. NO!!!!
Ari- you for got to mention one thing about the debate. Clinton said that Obama has a lobbyist on his campaign. That is a true statement. Im from SC and our ex governor (HODGES) is a lobbyist and is a cheif advisor and supporter of Obamas campaign.
Posted by: LaJaeric Miller | January 6, 2008, 2:10 am 2:10 am
JP:
if you dont know Edwards apologized for his vote, then you really need to pay more attention. Its out in the open. He apologized and moved on.
Hillary on the other hand has this hanging over her head because she “regrets” it but not apologize for it.
Obama spoke against the war on Iraq from the beginning. And you’re right, over 1/2 of democrats voted for it like Hillary. Thats why Obama is unlike the rest. He has good judgment, something experience can’t buy.
Posted by: kay | January 6, 2008, 2:11 am 2:11 am
“And you’re right, over 1/2 of democrats voted for it like Hillary. Thats why Obama is unlike the rest. He has good judgment, something experience can’t buy.” Kay
I have one clear answer for you. He WAS NOT in the Senate at that point. That’s not good judgement, that’s being opportunistic. What’s the deal with saying he’s against it and going to the Senate doing nothing about it. All words… No action.
Posted by: True American | January 6, 2008, 2:14 am 2:14 am
Isiah- This election is more that aobut the environment. What else that he says he can do be accomplished in his 4 years if elected Thats was my point. Are you really serious with that bull
Posted by: LaJaeric Miller | January 6, 2008, 2:14 am 2:14 am
Archie: What exactly are you referring to when you say a true conservative? Are you saying you want someone that is so extremely relgious that they ignore the other people that believe different in this country? That Christians are the only ones with morals? Why would you want someone so closed minded as a world leader?
Posted by: m | January 6, 2008, 2:14 am 2:14 am
archie are you that selfish?
Posted by: m | January 6, 2008, 2:16 am 2:16 am
kay,
It didn’t matter if she was eyeing that senate seat during his presidency-the people of NY voted for her(you think 55% of NY voters are just stupid and said wow she’s Clinton’s wife so I am going to vote for her)No!! She won that election on her own two feet otherwise it says you don’t think much of the people in NY and that they cannot think for themselves.
And as heartwarming a stroy about Obama that you spin-He does not have the gravitas that it is goin go take on the world stage to get our name back in the good graces of the rest of the world after this Bush fiasco. Obama needs another 8 years of grooming(after Hillary is out of office) then he will be fine and I’ll be glad to vote for him.
Posted by: JP from HB | January 6, 2008, 2:16 am 2:16 am
I think her 8 years as first lady does count as experience. First, when Bill first ran in 1992 he made a comment about Hillary being involved in his presidency calling it a “two-for-one” deal. This obviously is telling of her role in the white house. Also, she has 2 terms as a US senator compared to Obamas 1 term. I’m not from Illonois but if I were, I’d be disturbed that a senator that was elected to represent the state did so knowing he probably would not even be attentive enough to finish his first term. Obamas a joke.
Posted by: ICM | January 6, 2008, 2:17 am 2:17 am
Archie:
with all due respect, pls don’t discount how others felt after 9-11. You dont have to be in the military to feel the pain and loss of 9-11; Just as importantly,and with sincerity, thank you for your service and I appreciate what you are saying. I agree with you on that.
With regards to the vote: Obama was running for the US senate when he declared his disagreement on the war in Iraq. You face more scrutiny when you run for the US senate as opposed to being in the Senate.
Posted by: kay | January 6, 2008, 2:18 am 2:18 am
Hilary is a strong, smart, confident woman who stuck up for herself and who makes a very strong case for herself to be able to sustain a long term fight against the Republicans….do not romanticize Obama and his ability to make change.
Posted by: KGS | January 6, 2008, 2:19 am 2:19 am
“With regards to the vote: Obama was running for the US senate when he declared his disagreement on the war in Iraq. You face more scrutiny when you run for the US senate as opposed to being in the Senate.”
Sure. You face scrutiny from people of Illinois. But when you’re in the Senate voting you face scrutiny from all over the US.
Posted by: True American | January 6, 2008, 2:21 am 2:21 am
kay,
you are really getting desperate when you have to mince words that way(Edwards apologized but Hillary didn’t formally apologize)She acknowledged that it was a mistake in view of what she knows now-that’s the same damn thing as an apology. And yes I did acknowledge that Edwards apologized but BIG DEAL we donnot need apologies we need a way out !!!
Posted by: JP from HB | January 6, 2008, 2:22 am 2:22 am
I’m sorry, but the Presidency is not for those in training. Obama just does not have the experience to work with other politicians to get the job done. How can you get change in a Democracy without being able to work within the system. A president cannot do anything on his agenda without the support of other politicians. What America needs is someone who can work with both parties to bring about change and that person is Hillary Clinton. She is respected by politicians from both parties. WE ARE ELECTING A PRESIDENT FOLKS NOT CHOOSING A BEST FRIEND. We elected a friend the last two elections and look what it got us—W! What was so bad about the nineties? Inflation was low, there wasn’t a deficit, no unending Iraq War, unemployment was low, stock market was up. Edwards and Obama try to make it out to be a bad period in our history, but it was an awfully good decade. IN OUR HISTORY, EXPERIENCE WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE!
Posted by: Mike | January 6, 2008, 2:23 am 2:23 am
kay: You don’t think Obama was simply eyeing that Illinois senate seat in order to run for president? If he’s such an agent of change, why not actually finish a term in the senate which the people of Illinois elected him to, and try to create change there for the people of Illinois. Must you only be president to be create change?
Posted by: ICM | January 6, 2008, 2:24 am 2:24 am
LaJaeric Miller, I gave you an EXAMPLE that is important to me – the candidates voting RECORD. Obama’s RECORD on voting right by the planet speaks for itself. He has the BEST environmental record of all candidates. Period. Yeah, its just one example, but if you are tuned in, global warming is incredibly serious, not a bunch of bull.
Posted by: Isaiah | January 6, 2008, 2:24 am 2:24 am
LaJaeric Miller, I gave you an EXAMPLE that is important to me – the candidates voting RECORD. Obama’s RECORD on voting right by the planet speaks for itself. He has the BEST environmental record of all candidates. Period. Yeah, its just one example, but if you are tuned in, global warming is incredibly serious, not a bunch of bull.
Posted by: Isaiah | January 6, 2008, 2:25 am 2:25 am
LaJaeric Miller:
I wholeheartedly agree with you there. I thought it was ridiculous that Obama criticized Sen. Clinton for the Iran vote whereas he did not even vote for it due to campaigning…
Posted by: True American | January 6, 2008, 2:26 am 2:26 am
Thats not true. We went into iraq in 2002. He didn’t run for the senate until 2004. Intelligence came out in 2003. So dont feed me that bull. He wasn’t agianst it from the start sweety
Posted by: LaJaeric Miller | January 6, 2008, 2:27 am 2:27 am
Hey Mike, forget that inexperience nonsense that that you try to label Obama with. He has more respect of the Republican candidates than any other Democratic candidate.
Posted by: Isaiah | January 6, 2008, 2:29 am 2:29 am
True American & JP -
True Amercian: it really is unfortunate that you think someone with a view unlike yours has to be paid by a particular campaign. If thats the logic, then you “obviously are being paid by the Hillary campign”.
Excuse me for expressing myself. I do believe this is why we are allowed to post our comments.
JP – its not desperateness. It speaks to one’s character when someone can’t admit a mistake. I value that. I hope to think that our next leader would have that value to be transparent and honest with us, don’t u?
Posted by: kay | January 6, 2008, 2:29 am 2:29 am
Says who Isiah? Where did you get that information?
Posted by: Mike | January 6, 2008, 2:30 am 2:30 am
Romney is doomed. Flip-flopper. He is now reaping the dividends of having sold his soul to the pro-abortion people just to get elected in Massachusetts.
Posted by: Joel | January 6, 2008, 2:30 am 2:30 am
It was obvious that Hillary Clinton spoke with the most authority at the debate tonight. While Edwards and Obama concentrated on special interest groups, Clinton seemed to see a much broader picture of the world and the presidency. Whereas Barack Obama said he would go after Osama Bin Laden in Pakistan whether or not the government allowed him to do so, Clinton saw the larger picture and emphasized the importance of letting the government of Pakistan know the intent of the attack so that they would not retaliate and strike India ( another nuclear power). She completely understands that being President involves a world picture and the understanding as to how we negotiate with the rest of the world. It is obvious that alot of people are intimidated by a strong woman and will criticize her for reacting in the same way someone like Edwards reacted but as a man no one will say anything about it. People in this country loved George W. and would have him over for a beer and look what he did to this country in seven years. It will take “experience and know how” to get this country back on the right track here and abroad. It takes more than talking about hope and wishing for it to be so. I wish and hope that I would win the lottery but that isn’t going to happen so hard work is really the answer.
Posted by: bjneider | January 6, 2008, 2:30 am 2:30 am
Obama is saying what the people want to hear, but won’t the new president, regardless of who it is bring change? I am hoping the answer is yes because they know the mess Bush has created and they should know that things will have to be done in a different manner.
I have more respect for Hillary because she has to deal with what Edwards and Obama throw at her and she has gained my vote. I do not fault her for showing emotion, we are all human, and I guess regardless of how she acts or what she does people will judge her.
I also believe Edwards did a good job to night and he would be my second juice. Once Obama stops being a man of words and becomes a man of action then maybe some day he will be a good candidate.
A note on Obama and the fact that he is bringing in young voters: I agree with a previous comment that the youth of America doesn’t take the time to gain knowledge on the subject that is being discussed. I am 26 years old, from California, and during the recall of Gray Davis all I heard from many of my classmates was that they had voted for Arnold because he was the Terminator and that was a kick a** movie. I think that was the first time that I felt glad that youth in America were not voting. Those are not the types of things I would want voters in this country to be using as criteria for politicians.
Posted by: Angel | January 6, 2008, 2:31 am 2:31 am
Wow!!! Hillary took the punches that the boys delivered and she toe-to-toe with them. She stuck it to the guys and thought they tried to beat her down, it didn’t matter. If you want someone who knows how to take a punch and stand and deliver it back threefold, Hillary is the one. She also talked in a way that made sense. Thank god she can string words and thoughts together in a logical way, as opposed to some others on that stage tonight. Hillary need to take on the status quo on that stage tonight–its called the boys club, and she did. I’d be proud to see her in the White House. There would be no one better.
Posted by: swoosie10 | January 6, 2008, 2:31 am 2:31 am
Wow!!! Hillary took the punches that the boys delivered and she toe-to-toe with them. She stuck it to the guys and thought they tried to beat her down, it didn’t matter. If you want someone who knows how to take a punch and stand and deliver it back threefold, Hillary is the one. She also talked in a way that made sense. Thank god she can string words and thoughts together in a logical way, as opposed to some others on that stage tonight. Hillary need to take on the status quo on that stage tonight–its called the boys club, and she did. I’d be proud to see her in the White House. There would be no one better.
Posted by: swoosie10 | January 6, 2008, 2:31 am 2:31 am
True American:
His views against the war is well established and vetted by both Republicans and Democrats. Its out in the open and documented that he spoke out on it from the very beginning. That is prob. the most distinct difference between Obama and Clinton. No point arguing over this fact. Just look it up.
Posted by: Kay | January 6, 2008, 2:32 am 2:32 am
Romney couldn’t take his own medicine, that was great. After all that lambasting and negativity, when a little comes his way he just shows he can dish it out but can’t take it. He also showed he is completely for business-as-usual rich getting richer and keeping the pressure on everyone else.
Obama held his head high and dealt well with Clintons aggression. I thought Edwards was particularly vital and passionate, and though I became an Obama supporter over the past month or so, I have to say I really transfered my support to Edwards.
Not only am I another of those young people who want change, big change, and though I admire Obamas dignity and ability to bring people together, it was Edwards’ passion, conviction, and honesty that sold me.
I feel Clinton is done for, she made the pre-emptive aggressive attack, and the others defended themselves well.
She doesn’t get the message that what we want is someone who can bring us together. Her willingness to divide comes all too easily, and that is the quality of the past 7 years with Bush/Cheney/Rove that I want more than anything to leave behind.
I couldn’t be more excited imagining an Edwards/Obama ticket, or vs versa.
Posted by: David | January 6, 2008, 2:32 am 2:32 am
Wow!!! Hillary took the punches that the boys delivered and she went toe-to-toe with them. She was fearless when the ganged up on her and stuck it to the guys and thought they tried to beat her down, it didn’t matter. If you want someone who knows how to take a punch and stand and deliver it back threefold, Hillary is the one. She also talked in a way that made sense. Thank god she can string words and thoughts together in a logical way, as opposed to some others on that stage tonight. Hillary need to take on the status quo on that stage tonight–its called the boys club, and she did. I’d be proud to see her in the White House. There would be no one better.
Posted by: swoosie10 | January 6, 2008, 2:33 am 2:33 am
“I hope to think that our next leader would have that value to be transparent and honest with us, don’t u?” Kay
I finally agree with you on this. I just do not think that person is Obama or Edwards. Listening to them speak just give me the shivers. They’re really good… good at talking about what people like to hear.
Posted by: True American | January 6, 2008, 2:33 am 2:33 am
Wow!!! Hillary took the punches that the boys delivered and she went toe-to-toe with them. She was fearless when the ganged up on her and stuck it to the guys and thought they tried to beat her down, it didn’t matter. If you want someone who knows how to take a punch and stand and deliver it back threefold, Hillary is the one. She also talked in a way that made sense. Thank god she can string words and thoughts together in a logical way, as opposed to some others on that stage tonight. Hillary need to take on the status quo on that stage tonight–its called the boys club, and she did. I’d be proud to see her in the White House. There would be no one better.
Posted by: swoosie10 | January 6, 2008, 2:33 am 2:33 am
He has only neen a US Senator since 2004. When he spoke at the democratic national convention he was not a US senator yet. He was an Illinois State senator
Posted by: LaJaeric Miller | January 6, 2008, 2:35 am 2:35 am
Mike, I heard McCain, Huckabee and Romney all make very positive comments about their respect for Obama.
Posted by: Isaiah | January 6, 2008, 2:35 am 2:35 am
Angel and Swoosie10:
It wasn’t Obama who was negative. It was Hillary who was throwing out everything she had. He didn’t waste the audience’s time by dinifying her comments. He stuck with the issues without saying all the boys ganged up on her when she was the front runner.
He’s calm, composed and the complete opposite of Hillary. He’s a gentleperson and thats something a true leader possesses no matter how rough it gets.
Posted by: kay | January 6, 2008, 2:36 am 2:36 am
Hillary was angry and frustrated because she is debating with two idealistic neophytes. They are the opposite of “W” being raw on the job. However, Hillary should learn to be tack and develop charisma in her stance.
The Republicans are saying the same thing 8 years ago, the only new twists illegal immigration which have been around since Mayflower landed in Jamestown, only this time they look at Latinos as the new culprits. The party of Lincoln does not adhere to diversity. Why not blame themselves for letting the illegals come to this country unabated when they control the Presidency, the House and the Senate for 6 merciless years.
Posted by: Ed Gueco | January 6, 2008, 2:41 am 2:41 am
This is Trash Simple and plan!
Posted by: christopher johnson | January 6, 2008, 2:43 am 2:43 am
Hillary never went negative when she was the front-runner. Obviously, that’s what you do when you’re the front-runner. I’m sure Obama would have responded if his wanna-be VP Edwards didn’t step in to defend him.
Posted by: ICM | January 6, 2008, 2:43 am 2:43 am
I believe the Obama-Edwards-Tag-Team brings down what positive message Obama can more than carry for himself. Edwards makes Obama look more like a sleazy slogan participant than the bold great orator that he is. Hillary speaks of 35 years of experience because she has worked for children’s rights, women’s rights, patients’ rights for 35 years. She doesn’t say she has been elected to public office for the last 35 years. I like Obama and he does inspire me. However, I am always asking myself… where are the ‘CHANGES’ or great things this man-out-of-no-where has accomplished? Show me or explain to me the ‘CHANGE’ he has accomplished so I know what I am voting for. Edwards seems to run away from his public service in the Senate and seems uncomfortable finding examples of his being a ‘CHANGE’ agent. He speaks of fighting corporations but leaves out he did so as a paid lawyer – thus, his millions. I find weight in Hillary’s story when I reviewed it… not so much in the others. But I my vote has yet to be cast if the other candidates can make their case!
Posted by: Billie Joe | January 6, 2008, 2:44 am 2:44 am
JP and TrueAmerican
I agree with you except thats how i feel when i hear her speak. Don’t get me wrong. I can live with her but for now, she’s not my first or second choice.
I have to say it was fun dueling with all of you. May the luckiest and/or the best candidate win!
Good nite.
kay
Posted by: kay | January 6, 2008, 2:44 am 2:44 am
Kay didn’t mention being negative I said they were attacking her. Especially Edwards saying that they were for change and Hillary wasn’t. Since your such an Obama fan why need explain it to me. Change, change, change… so when he gets to the White House what do his words mean to you. What are you expecting and how are you going to feel when he doesn’t deliver. Not because he isn’t capable, but because life is not that simple. Not having dealt much with the whole process and having so little experience is a big red flag for me. It is like me working at a company and demanding to be president after a few years there. People would laugh because they would say one thing YOU DON’T HAVE THE EXPERIENCE and that is the same way I feel about him. Maybe in 4 years or more.
Posted by: angel | January 6, 2008, 2:46 am 2:46 am
This is the most ridiculous “analysis.” I thought that Hillary Clinton did very well, and came across as the most sophisticated and prepared.
Posted by: JM | January 6, 2008, 2:46 am 2:46 am
Even Dick Morris, who hates Romney, thought he won the debate. McCain came across as snippy. Snippy is not what I am looking for in a President. Fred Thompson is a much better choice than McCain for anyone who doesn’t like Romney.
Posted by: Jacktar7 | January 6, 2008, 2:49 am 2:49 am
To you who are in love with sizzle:
If you help Obama, you’ll be sorry if he gains the nomination—whether or not he wins in November. There’s not yet enough “there” there.
Posted by: Oceanlake | January 6, 2008, 2:51 am 2:51 am
Amen Tara Beth. I’m just tired of hypocritical canidates. Obama and edwards say they are against lobbyist. Both have been suported by one. Obama has one as a campaign cheif and supporter (ex governor of sc Hodges) Hodges ruined our state. Now the republucans have control. Im just afraid if we vote on words and not records then we are gonna be on a worser situation than we are in now. You saw how they are alreadt getting ready to smear a democratic canidate. Only Huckabee praised and a he is disliked is his on the Obamabee express and americans are so in need for change that the are gonna vote for whatever sounds best and it will destroy the democratic party and they’ll have to rebuild just like after te Jimmy Cater Situation. Do you think its a coneincidence that none of the major black players are backing him. I watched Jesse Jackson this morning and he said the same thing as you beth. He said vote who is best ready from day one
Posted by: LaJaeric Miller | January 6, 2008, 2:53 am 2:53 am
Wow- McCain really did himself a disservice tonight. You could tell that he’d been waiting days for his chance to use that practiced one-liner about the president of change. I can’t stand people who laugh at their own dumb jokes, especially when they are mean-spirited. What a loser. I hope the people of New Hampshire are smart enough to see through this goofball. Can you imagine having him represent America?
Posted by: scott | January 6, 2008, 2:55 am 2:55 am
Romney came across as two-faced. His whole campaign is about playing politics to win. Its not surprising that the others dont like him.
Posted by: Frank | January 6, 2008, 2:56 am 2:56 am
Mike – nice post and I appreciate the detail, but Dick Armey is not a presidential candidate. The point is the Republican candidates have acknowledged that Obama is a leader, they respect him, and McCain has worked with him to get bipartisan things done in the Senate. I have not hear the same candidates say that about Hillary.
Posted by: Isaiah | January 6, 2008, 2:57 am 2:57 am
Rudy Guiliani did very well in my opinion and he should get back to front runner status once Romney loses out to Mcain in NH. Huckabee is not going to win outside of bible belt.
Unfortunately on the democratic side, Hillary does not seem have to charisma or maturity to perform under the pressure and she seemed like an angry and frustrated women. Both Edwards and Obama do not have the credentials (one talks about changing everything without knowing what it takes to change and other just wants a war against corporations) to match up to Guiliani and if it comes to Guiliani vs one of those 2 guys, I would happily vote for Rudy though I am a democrat.
Posted by: Sudhakar | January 6, 2008, 2:58 am 2:58 am
With so many people in America in agreement as to Sen McCain’s obvious snide remarks through that shiny fake smile tonight(the Huckster shot off the same conduct)toward Gov Romney and Gov Huckabee’s flip flop to not launch attack ads(maybe he meant on a statewide ad or only campaign “paid” advertising”) but to then fire off personal “attack ads” on a stage in front of a national audience, showed myself as well as the rest of America their true character. At the same time they showed that when pressed on their own issues, they had weak positions, they didn’t have the depth. ABC, there’s no way this many people watching the same debate could be wrong. The consensus of the reality by those watching the Republican debate is the real story. Romney held his own during a suprise attack from all directions.
The only thing I can say is that I’m glad they, including Rudy, took those so called “clean hits” at President Romney as they did because it showed not only His Presidential character but it also allowed the rest of America to see that he has sound, articulate policy and accomplishments in many areas, not like some on stage who give lip service to accomplishing change, but only being single issue candidates. It reminded me of Survivor when all of the weak contestants gang up on the strongest and vote em’ off the island to ensure they have a shot at the prize which only makes the strongest more evident. Must be the rules of the political game the other contenders understand playing by having been in the game for so long. I know this, came in ready to support McCain, but came away certain of Romney! Fired up enough to submit my first endorsement of a candidate on the web, ever. Well rounded, competent, articulate, and accomplished in many needed areas, especially character, personal and public. Judging by the posts there are a lot of others who came away with the same certitude of their support of Romney.
Posted by: Frank | January 6, 2008, 2:59 am 2:59 am
Isiah-
What difference does it make that he isn’t a presidential candidate? He was speaking for Republicans in general. If Hillary is president, than McCain will only be one opinion from the Senate of a 100. Hillary has worked a lot across the aisle on bipartisan bills.
Posted by: Mike | January 6, 2008, 3:00 am 3:00 am
Mike, Hillary is an excellent Senator. She is an excellent politician. The White House needs a leader not a politician. Obama is a leader and visionary with sound judgement that can unite this country and set it in a positive direction. Hillary can’t do that. We would be fortunate to have Obama as our president.
Posted by: Isaiah | January 6, 2008, 3:04 am 3:04 am
72 hours from now Romney’s campaign will effectively be over. Too bad he decided to flip-flop instead of being like his father, who was a straight-talking political leader. If he had approached his political career like his father did, he would probably have been elected this time. Instead, Romney decided to allow himself to become a creature of his consultants.
Posted by: Joel | January 6, 2008, 3:11 am 3:11 am
Interesting debate. My view of Richardsons was elevated a notch. I felt Edwards was clearly the winner and I continue to be impressed with Obama. I thought Clinton was polished, but her message tiring. I think Richardson has more leadership experience then the rest of the bunch. Clinton is knowledgeable about foreign affairs, but knowledge doesn’t necessarily equate to experience. Except for her experience in Congress, I think she grossly overstates her prior leadership roles. She’s no more ready for the first day of being president than all the rest, both Democratic or Republican. Unless she plans to share the office with Bill.
My impressions of Romney went down a notch and I thought Huckabee continues to gain. I’m an Independent, so I think both party’s have some interesting possibilities. I’m for major change in Washington and I’m absolutely tired of the grid lock from both sides.
Posted by: Dan | January 6, 2008, 3:14 am 3:14 am
Wow- McCain really did himself a disservice tonight. You could tell that he’d been waiting days for his chance to use that practiced one-liner about the president of change. I can’t stand people who laugh at their own dumb jokes, especially when they are mean-spirited. What a loser. I wish I was in New Hampshire so I could send him packing this week.
Posted by: scott | January 6, 2008, 3:15 am 3:15 am
Isiah-
You can’t be a leader without being a politician. Unfortunately, the two go hand-in-hand in Washington. I think it is naive to think that you can get anything done in Washington without being a good politician. Obama doesn’t have a long enough track record to know if he is a true leader. Obama: A good speaker-yes, a good leader-the jury is still out. We need someone with experience.
Posted by: Mike | January 6, 2008, 3:16 am 3:16 am
It seemed a bit hypocritical of Romney to complain about personal attacks given the calculated distortions (i.e. lies) contained in his desparate attack ads against McCain and Huckabee. McCain hit the nail on the head: Romney is spending his millions to smear his rivals with a flood of dishonest ads. He won’t get my vote.
Posted by: rick | January 6, 2008, 3:16 am 3:16 am
Mike, I don’t think our military brass would agree with you. You do not need to be a politician to be a leader. Obama has a long record of leadership. You cannot be a community organizer and not be a gifted and hardworking committed leader. The jury is not still out. It’s just that the jury is not in Congress and it doesn’t belong there.
Posted by: Isaiah | January 6, 2008, 3:20 am 3:20 am
Isiah-
I was a military brass! Leadership and politics do go hand-in-hand. I was also in Student Council, Junior Class president, National Honor Society president, Fraternity President, an officer in the military, and am currently involved heavily in the community but that doesn’t make me qualified to be President of the US. Political experience does matter!
Posted by: Mike | January 6, 2008, 3:25 am 3:25 am
Most people in the USA aren’t going to get the whole “community organizer” thing. Urban Democratic Party activists may understand what it does, but most people are clueless about what that is.
I don’t question Obama’s record of leadership in state and federal office, but when he mentions the “community organizer” thing, most of my suburban and rural friends start scratching their heads, wondering what he is talking about.
Posted by: Joel | January 6, 2008, 3:25 am 3:25 am
I have no doubt that the candidates with the most money and consultants, have most of the special interests and lobbyists dirt on their hands. Including the campaigns of smears and dirty tricks.
Whom may that be, why Clinton and Romney of course.
Posted by: Joe | January 6, 2008, 3:26 am 3:26 am
I’m an Obama supporter, and I’m glad he didn’t make any big mistakes tonight, but I think he looked a little weak– tired, for sure, but a bit diminished. I agree that Hillary seemed a bit angry, annoyed, and annoying tonight, too, but I also thought she looked strong.
This stuff matters to me because though I am pretty well sold on Obama, I find myself occasionally remembering that he has only begun to be tested on the “ability to handle stress” issue– we don’t really know, at this point, how he’ll handle stress of any kind, whether it’s the stress created by fatigue, the stress of being down with the clock ticking, or the stress of trying to maintain a lead while having one. It seems to me all these areas are a little different from one another and they all matter. At least tonight, Hillary Clinton seemed pretty well under control and on message during what is clearly a bad time for her.
My conclusions– I’m nowhere near doubting Obama, but I am reminded I want to keep watching him, and though I’m not sure anything would make me really want to have Hillary Clinton as President for four years, she continues to and reinforce that she possesses basic competence, which is always my first test for a leader.
Posted by: Dmerrin10000 | January 6, 2008, 3:27 am 3:27 am
Mike, by the way, I’ve seen many politicians who are anything but leaders. Most of them look which way the wind is blowing before they take a stand on something. Leaders know how to bring people together and know how to get things done by having a critical mass of followers. Barack Obama has a proven record of doing just that. Just look at this campaign. Obama built his campaign on the change theme – refering to changing the old politician system and bringing in an approach based on experience that works in solving problems for the benefit of the common good. All the other candidates embraced this change theme as followers to Obama’s lead.
Posted by: Isaiah | January 6, 2008, 3:31 am 3:31 am
I thought her point equating the enthusiasm for Obama with that for George Bush, that people said they could have a beer with him, was very well taken. That should *not* be the criteria for choosing our President. The electorate needs to grow up if it thinks it is. We are in *dire* trouble from Bush and we need someone with the experience, guts, and stamina to take it all on. Instead of pointing out Hillary’s “failure” to get universal health care passed in the first months of the Clinton administration, we should give her credit for having the vision back then to try and realize that she probably learned a *lot* about how to get it done on a second try, learning that someone else won’t have. I’m not saying I’m for Hillary – maybe if her sleazeball husband could be foreced to stay in New York, but she shouldn’t be punished for him – but I think she should be seen with more balance. We shouldn’t fall for the media’s propensity to paint things in black and white.
Posted by: Christine | January 6, 2008, 3:34 am 3:34 am
Ok, Mike, I was military brass too, and I think you are confusing working with people with being a politician. Obama knows how to work with people better than Hillary. He knows how to create a following and get things done. You would not see conservative Republicans and Independents voting for him if he did not know how to work with people.
Posted by: Isaiah | January 6, 2008, 3:37 am 3:37 am
This tag-team by Obama and Edwards is a brilliant tactic by both of them.
For Obama, it makes sense because he is on the upswing. He can afford to go after Hillary, especially because he’s now ahead in most NH polls (see Rasmussen Reports) because Independent voters are largely backing him. If Obama wins NH, Hillary is in deep trouble because the momentum will be in his favor.
For Edwards, it makes sense because if/when Hillary is forced to drop-out (and a loss in NH would push her much closer), she’ll have to endorse somebody. She won’t endorse Obama, because they seem to dislike each other, and I doubt she’ll endorse Richardson, because he’s a long-shot to win the nomination. I think Edwards is banking on Hillary dropping out and endorsing him.
I also wouldn’t rule out the possibility of a back-door deal between Obama and Edwards. They work together to knock Hillary out of the running, then whichever of them wins the nomination uses the other as his VP.
It’s a very smart strategy, and I think it’ll help them.
On the Republican side, I was impressed with how well Romney handled the attacks on him. McCain did well enough to take NH, but Romney kind of had that Presidential look about him. I was rather nonplussed by Romney, but thought Huckabee did a solid job of attacking Romney, which I think was his main goal in this debate (if Romney’s out, Huckabee’s road gets a little easier).
I’d say Obama and McCain are clearly the current frontrunners, in NH and overall.
Posted by: Daniel | January 6, 2008, 3:38 am 3:38 am
Stuart- I know it might seem that with that such an overwhelming number of people coming forward with a common message of recognizing the “childish behavior” and name calling by both the McCain and Huckabee “personal attack machines” that it sounds a little conspiracy theory… but it’s not. No one in the Romney campaign coaxed those undecided democrats and independents to recognize and post the same line of comments. Believe it or not.
Joel- I doubt you can dismiss a candidate, even if they lose NH, with that much money in the bank, and so many people finally realizing his ability. Don’t buy into what the media would like people to believe about Romney being washed up with a 2nd finish in NH. People finally woke up to him tonight. Don’t know if Romney’s winning the debate tonight will be enough to move the numbers in the next few days to win, but I do know he won Wyoming and finished a strong second in 2 states and is competitive nearly EVERYWHERE, showing he’s a tireless worker that has consistent appeal to voters. Anyone who’s ever ran a business with a product line knows that you sell the product that works for the client. Romney has a strong, reliable product line. Strongest in many areas but definitely a close second when not number one on the issuses Republican voters care about. Family, Economy, and National Security.
Posted by: frank | January 6, 2008, 3:40 am 3:40 am
Errr, that was supposed to say “nonplussed by Giuliani”
Posted by: Daniel | January 6, 2008, 3:40 am 3:40 am
I agree whole-heartedly with you Christine, the news media is trying to anoint Obama as the Democratic nominee, and are giving him a free ride on criticism.
Analyzing Iowa, Obama did well and is doing so well because he tapped into the youth vote and has mobilized 17-29 year olds. It’s nice to be getting this age group involved, but I’m 48 and I see and understand things a lot differently in the world now than when I was in my 20′s. In Iowa, Obama also worked with some of the other candidates to get to be the number two on the ballots which helped his showing. IMO, they all worked together to beat Hillary, they didn’t do it on their own.
Posted by: Mike | January 6, 2008, 3:43 am 3:43 am
Isaih- Let look at this like a business. If you owned a business would you hire someone with no experince or would hire a well qualified canidate to run your company. We are all aldults and we all know you wouldn’t pick someone that didn’t know what they were doing. That just doesn’t make sense. The United states of america is a corporation and whoever is president is responsible for 240 million people. If you hired the person with no experince then you would need on the job training and Commander and cheif is not a OJT job. Sorry. Your company would fail and be bankrupt. Why would anyone take that chance. You would tell the canidate that didn’t have the experince to try agian after they got some more experience. So let me ask you now. Do you want someone that has no idea what they are doing ot someone that is ready from day one and make sure that you and your family are taken care of. Why can’t americans see that this election.
Posted by: LaJaeric Miller | January 6, 2008, 3:45 am 3:45 am
Hilary, I have sat beside my husband for 12 years as he became a doctor, but that doesn’t qualify me to perform surgery.
As far as the republicans go, In my opinion, a true president will remain calm and collected no matter who he deals with.
I would think international negotiations wouldn’t go very well if our president gets frustrated, shows his true feelings and starts calling names
Posted by: DH | January 6, 2008, 3:46 am 3:46 am
I am convinced that Hillary paid her whole staff to post comments on this website. Hillary was classless at the debate, she lost my vote. I am going for Obama now, I saw her true colors.
Posted by: Joey | January 6, 2008, 3:48 am 3:48 am
All the candidates possess basic competence! Most display a handle on the issues that George W Bush, even after 8 years in the White House, does not.
This was not Hillary’s best night but just a normal Hillary night.
The problem is that while most of the other candidates have improved in there delivery she has maintained a sort of arrogance that gives me the impression that if everyone will just listen to her all will alright because Hillary knows best!
The only two candidates I will certainly not be voting for are Hillary and Mitt!
“Tomorrow will always trump yesterday” and we don’t want 8 more years of “Billary”.
Posted by: Bob - Florida | January 6, 2008, 3:48 am 3:48 am
Mike, as I understand it, Obama won every age group in Iowa except women over 65. More newcomers, even those over 30 voted for Obama than any other candidate. Look deeply at the statistics and analysis before you conclude that the news media is suddenly giving Obama a free ride. He prevailed under intense scrutiny and the detailed numbers show nothing less than a stunning victory above anything imagined.
Posted by: Isaiah | January 6, 2008, 3:49 am 3:49 am
Isiah-
Republicans and some Independents cross over in these caucuses to vote against a candidate just like in a primary race. There are those Republicans and Independents who despise the Clinton’s and have voted and will vote for other candidates to defeat them. The anti-Hillary spin machine is alive and well. This is what I did in Georgia in a primary, voted for a Republican in a primary up against Newt Gingrich. This is nothing new.
Posted by: Mike | January 6, 2008, 3:50 am 3:50 am
Why would Hillary drop out after NH and edards stays. He will finish third in NH and keep in mind all the media want to see him wim especially republicans. There mouths are drooling.By the way she will win Nevada, Michigan and Super tuesday. He is not liked all over the country.
Posted by: LaJaeric Miller | January 6, 2008, 3:51 am 3:51 am
LaJaeric Miller, sorry, you must have missed most of my posts. Obama has heaps of the right kind of experience. I don’t buy your basic premise. I feel sorry you are actually missing the boat on this one.
Posted by: Isaiah | January 6, 2008, 3:54 am 3:54 am
Sorry Joey, I’m not on Senator Clinton’s staff, just an American who researches the people I vote for and choose the best qualified!
Posted by: Mike | January 6, 2008, 3:55 am 3:55 am
Barack’s message is that he is the agent of change and I believe him. The power of America is in the voice of the people not the ruling class.
Take back America — vote Obama ’08!
Posted by: Bob - Florida | January 6, 2008, 4:01 am 4:01 am
what other candidate besides Senator Clinton talked about beginning withdrawal from iraq within the first 60 days? and what other candidate would be as effective from day 1 as Senator Clinton? NONE! I care deeply about my child’s future; thus, I will vote for Senator Clinton
Posted by: chris | January 6, 2008, 4:02 am 4:02 am
I disagree with this article. Romney handled the attacks very professionally and tactfully. McCain is nothing but a bully and can not speak with a scholarly tone. Therefore McCain had to rely on personal attacks on Romney the entire night because he could not talk policy one on one with Mitt. It was very immature.
Posted by: DrJBC | January 6, 2008, 4:03 am 4:03 am
Hillary was painful to look at. I thought at some point, she would simply get up and walk off the stage. She is frustrated that people don’t make her the defacto candidate. She tried to argue that because she is the oldest, she should be the candidate.
Obama should have simply said ‘if age is the deciding factor, lets pick the oldest democrat alive and make him/her our candidate’, that would have sank Hillary’s boat even further.
I think Hillary has lost the momentum, its over for her.
Posted by: Bill | January 6, 2008, 4:06 am 4:06 am
I think people care about their children too much to prevent the one candidate who would give them their brightest future from losing this campaign……thus, Senator Clinton will remain steadfast and fight for us, our children, our soldiers and America
Posted by: chris | January 6, 2008, 4:09 am 4:09 am
Isaih- How can you run a military if you’ve never been in the military. How can you balance a budget if you’ve ever a company or state. How can you have a health care or work with taxes if u’ve never done that in your life. How can you give foreign policy if u’ve been a senator for 2 years and most of that was spent campaigning. Oh I forgot living in indonesia from 1st to 4th grade. Let be serious bout this. So what you can give a speech. Some of the greatest speakers in the world didnt have a clue to do what they were saying or were some of the biggest tyrants. He is talking bout increasing the miltary. Dont u think bush is trying to do that. Nobody wants to join. They have gone as far as to let guys hhave braids. At least Hillary would have an ex-commander cheif in her ear. Obama would be a puppet president with someone else pulling the strings. You really have to be kidding me and you are telling me he is ready. He can’t even tell the trith aobut lobbyist. Before you say he doesn’t Look for the name Hodges ex governor from SC My homestate that is a lobbyist. You tell me 10 things that are on his record that make him a viable canidate and you will have my ear. Until then i dont listen to propganda. Like mike i am a military veteran and i know the job of president isnt easy. Why do people that follow obama do.
Posted by: LaJaeric Miller | January 6, 2008, 4:09 am 4:09 am
by the way, the analysis is wrong; but it wouldn’t be the first time, and it certainly won’t be the last
Posted by: chris | January 6, 2008, 4:10 am 4:10 am
I thought Obama looked tired also. Normally, he’s witty & humorously engaging, and had several opportunities given to him tonight to be so again, and he was curt and serious with these light moments. He does have a reputation for disliking debates. How are you going to solve massively complicated issues in a 1-?2 minute sound bite, he has stated. However, anyone who cannot relax and take a moment to be light when the opportunity presents itself might have big trouble handling the most stressful job in the world, right?
Posted by: arutha | January 6, 2008, 4:13 am 4:13 am
i wouldn’t equate Senator Obama with the anti-American cancer that is george dumbya bush, but the initial campaign reactions are somewhat similar…..likeability is NOT a reason to choose someone as the President of the United States/Leader of the Free World/Commander in Chief……Senator Clinton is easily the best prepared and most qualified person to do the job right, and it shouldn’t be discounted or considered a jab at her that having Bill Clinton again working for the American people, as Hillary did when he was President, is one HUGE invaluable asset in the White House and on behalf of America….
Posted by: chris | January 6, 2008, 4:14 am 4:14 am
can you imagine having TWO Presidents for the election of one? our children and our soldiers deserve the best chance for a better future, and whether you like or not, if you reasonable and sane, you know that the best chance for America lies with a 2nd Clinton Administration
Posted by: chris | January 6, 2008, 4:16 am 4:16 am
I AM A 82 YEAR OLD MAN LIVING IN THIS COUNTRY FOR 55 YEARS. IN MY OPINION HILARY CLINTON IS THE MOST ADMIRABLE CANDIDATE WITH CREDENTIALS OF HARD WORK AND FAR SIGHT VISION. REMEMBER WE ARE NOT VOTING FOR ROCK- STAR WITH DRUMS AND TAP DANCING. WAKE UP YOUNG AMERICANS. LIEABILITY WITH BEAR DRINKING TOGETHER WILL NOT MAKE YOUR CHILDREN HAPPY IN FUTURE. DON’T BE SHORT-SIGHTED. OBAMA NEVER ATTENDED SENATE MEETINGS.
Posted by: BYRON | January 6, 2008, 4:20 am 4:20 am
I disagree with the article completely; Hillary RULED this debate! She had very precise and knowledgable answers for all the difficult questions. When Obama talked about invading Pakistan, Hillary talked about diplomacy, and was the only one who was attentive to strengthening Afghanistan, and being attentive to India. She had reasonable solutions to how to get out of Iraq, and how to deal with the recession and the energy tax. I am so sick of Edwards, the malpractice lawyer who sucked his rich lawyer fees from his clients say that he cares about people, and now he is trying to jump on Obama’s bandwagon of change and accuse HIllary of status quo. But Hillary stood her ground: talk of “change” is useless, Hillary has been fighting for change for years, with justifiable proof, not just TALK TALK TALK, which is all Obama does. I am shocked that so many in this country is so gullible to Obama’s snake-oil salesman tactics. Yes, we want change, but we need experience. Would you hire the LEAST experienced pilot to fly your family across the country? Why wouldn’t you want the most experienced leader to lead this country, during this most difficult of times? I love it when she pointed out Obama’s inconsistencies; it’s about time, clearly he will whine about this, saying people are being nasty to him, when he has been nasty to her all along. He says he has worked against lobbyists, and then Hillary points out that Obama’s chief in NH is a lobbyist! Way to go Hillary, to point out Obama for what he is, a lying smooth talking, NOTHING. We need a leader in this country, not a talker.
Posted by: MG | January 6, 2008, 4:22 am 4:22 am
Mike and LaJaeric Miller, you two certainly sound sincere but we fundamentally disagree. LaJaeric, how can you on one hand support Hillary because she has Bill to listen to and then say Obama would be a puppet president with someone else pulling the strings.
Obama is all about leadership. You can disagree with me, and I am sorry you are missing out. If he was not a leader, the other candidates would not be on the change mantra.
I am also ex-military officer, and perhaps we just have a different sense about leadership. Time as a politician says nothing about leadership in my world.
Sorry I can’t continue blogging endlessly. My final point is that I’ve done lots of research and I am convinced Obama will be an outstanding President. I recommend you spend more time looking at his record outside his time as a politician.
Posted by: Isaiah | January 6, 2008, 4:24 am 4:24 am
The analyst for this debate needs to change professions, and start loving this country, you are doing a
disservice to both. To the serviceman
thank you very much and you are right
100%. Obama is a good orator but that
is all. Further he is opportunistic
and brings nothing to the oval office.
Hillary is the best man for the job
even if she is a woman people do not like
because she is brilliant and they are jealous, but not only she is brilliant
but bill will be by her side and he was one
of the best presidents we had in modern
times. The two of them are very powerful. Wake up america we need all the help we can now, because we are in big trouble, this is no time for inexperience. IT IS THE ECONOMIC STUPID
Posted by: Ann | January 6, 2008, 4:24 am 4:24 am
Mike -
I too am glad to see someone mobilize younger voters as they’ve been sorely missing from politics in recent years. But I do hope they take their vote more seriously than they did in electing “The Terminator”. I don’t expect to personally “like” my candidate, but I do want to feel I can trust them to lead my country, and to treat other countries with respect. My first choice has been Dennis Kucinich whose theme is “Strength Through Peace”, which I support, but he wasn’t even allowed in the debate – ridiculous media censorship. I’m a union member and like Edwards’ fire for working people – Obama is a good speaker, but feels like a greenhorn to me. I do respect the fact that Hillary has personally met many world leaders and has a grasp of world dynamics. Having traveled quite a bit myself in South Asia and overland to Equrope, I know that travel and studyinf history and local politics does give one a much better handle to deal with issues involving those countries, as opposed to one’s travel consisting mainly of summers in Europe, for example. As someone else said, this is not a job for on-the-job training – we just wen through that for 8 years with George. It would be hard to find another equally stubborn, unbending personality, but we could be unlucky again if we’re not smart. Obama’s repeating that he would violate Pakistani territory to shoot at Bin Laden is really scary – not only that he would do that, but that he would keep repeating it to the world in advance. He seems to have no clue about national sovereignty, much less about South Asian sensitivities regarding American arrogance and invasiveness.That alone is reason enough for me not to vote for him. There is a place for youthful enthusiasm – the world stage is not one of them.
Posted by: Christine | January 6, 2008, 4:25 am 4:25 am
I love it when Hillary pointed out that 8 years ago, the country was ready for “change”, and was all excited about a young, smooth talking Texan, with little experience, who said that his intuition will help him lead this country, and people were so excited about him, they voted him into office. Remember when Gore won the popular vote, and many Bush supporters called him “Sore-Loserman” for fighting the Florida count? I see that same type of Passion now for Obama, and it’s sickening. Do you want another 4-8 more years of a nincumpoop running this country, who promises hope and change and nothing to show for it? Hillary is by far the best candidate. Please folks; talk of hope and change mean nothing, without experience. ANY candidate will be a CHANGE from GWB. Please think seriously about this most important of elections, and don’t fall for Obama’s sound and fury, which ultimately signify NOTHING.
Posted by: MG | January 6, 2008, 4:27 am 4:27 am
Isaiah – That was cute but i think you need to look more at qualification than who talks a good game. Like MG said would rather have a certified pilot flying the plane or a rock star with a manuel. Thats the last thing i have to say
Posted by: LaJaeric Miller | January 6, 2008, 4:31 am 4:31 am
Over here in the UK, public debate amongst our politicians is crucial to our politics. Whilst we have great respect and admiration for Obama, Hillary had specific, grounded ideas and knowledge based on real world experience, whilst Obama had a the rhetoric and aura of a revolutionary rockstar. The latter does not befit a president more than the former. We hope you can see past the hype- Experience is not a leper. May the best man/woman win.
Posted by: matt UK | January 6, 2008, 4:33 am 4:33 am
I agree with the analysis. Although overall Rommey handled himself better than Hillary did. I’m still undecided but I was leaning Democratic but the (R)’s so outperfromed the (D)’s tonight I’m back to neutral and see more promise in a Rommey ticket if he displayed the willingness to really listen and consider what Ron Paul was asking about if the shoe was on the foot. I hope at some point during this election process the media also asks the question: If China, Japan or any other nation that heaviily invests their
capital in the US decides we are not capable of protecting that investment would you allow them to put milliary bases here. I really want to know because it seems like we are on that path. How do you justify not allowing it? How do you claim it is wrong for another country to do a preimetive strick at us because they feel threatened. Is this all we are going to be spending our tax dollars on is war for the rest of my life? I want to know.
I’m a professional female who has blazed a train of my own for 30 years in engineering and ran for local office
and won myself, so I empathize with Hillary” deeply but I don’t think she is the right person for the first woman
president. I like what I saw in a Obama/Edwards ticket or reverse because
a comprehensive effort focused on Energy, and use of new technology can solve many of our current problems if one can see them as an investment with a hard dollar return on that investment that benefits corporate and everyday people. It’s an economic sound financial choice that is profitable, creates jobs,is exportable and reduces the need for war over resources. Young people understand better how to use new technology it’s almost the only way they know, I love that about them so I’m more confident that we would really get “change”.
Immigration and it’s econmic impact is also critical and the ((D)’s aren’t even asked about it. On this I agree with Huckabee and Rommney. Illegals must be sent back. No rewards. A fine, who would not pay it versus waiting forever? That’s the kind of thinking that gets the federal government bogged down and uneffective. I agree that if it is understood that if you don’t leave you will be sent back never allowed to return no exceptions is the way to go. I hope Rommey or the (D)’s listens to Gullani on comprehensive energy and Huckabee or immigration and heathcare and Ron Paul on the fundamentals because it is true, we reap what we sow. “Peace within the walls, prosperity with our homes
(castles)”. So shall it be!
Posted by: inside the beltway | January 6, 2008, 4:36 am 4:36 am
inside the beltway- that was richardson that said that. Obama and edwards jumped on his train. they were taking notes
Posted by: LaJaeric Miller | January 6, 2008, 4:43 am 4:43 am
As I look back over this blog I find it quite funny and hypocritical the things that Senator Clinton is criticized for. If a woman is tough and defends herself, she is considered a B*#+#, where a man does this and he is looked on as being strong and presidential. What do we want in a President people? I like that Senator Clinton is strong and tough! In the world today, our President needs to be seen as this. The President will be staring down rogue leaders in the world as well as terrorists. They need to know our President is strong and means what they say. If Senator Clinton were soft and grand-motherly those same people criticizing her would criticize her for being to0 soft to be president. I like what someone just said, that Senator Clinton is the “best man for the job”! I think Senator Clinton needs to stop apologizing for being anything other than tough and decisive and use that to her benefit. That is what America needs at this perilous time!
Posted by: Mike | January 6, 2008, 4:45 am 4:45 am
Wow, I can’t believe people actually thought McCain was “childish” and Romney was “professional”. Romney is playing it cool in a debate, while on TV commercials he is playing the George W. Bush card of the 2000 election, airing ads that directly attack McCain and his policies in a personal manner. Save that kind of fighting for the election against the democrats, Rom. It has no place in a primary election. No wonder McCain was a little ###### off. Yes, McCain needs to hold back a bit with his quips, but are you really not going to vote for someone because they are a smart ass sometimes?
Posted by: Pwells | January 6, 2008, 4:46 am 4:46 am
Klein must not have watched the same debate I did. On the Republican side, McCain made demeaning and unprofessional comments. Have you gotten so inured to personal swipes that you didn’t notice? Romney stuck to the issues. On the Dem. side, Obama’s remark to Clinton that “you’re likable enough” sounded like a back-handed insult. Clinton’s policy discussions were informed and wide-ranging. Perhaps Obama learned that if he bombs Pakistan, he should be careful not to set off a nuclear war between India and Pakistan. Clinton’s vigorous defense of this simplistic mantra about “change” was also effective.
Posted by: Holly Stallworth | January 6, 2008, 4:57 am 4:57 am
Pwells- Believe it. People thought he was “childish” because it was. It was Reminiscent of that mean kid ridiculing on the playground in junior high. This is the Office of the President of the United States of America they’re competing for, not class clown. He got in some character digs but couldn’t straight talk when it came to Romney asking about an immigration bill that had his name on it and McCain responded like most kids when they can’t answer a question, by changing the subject and getting a dig in to generate some laughter. It’s one thing to speak your postition on issues and contrast those with other candidates, which is exactly what we should expect in our great democracy, but a whole nother thing to try and get the personal zingers in.
Posted by: Frank | January 6, 2008, 5:00 am 5:00 am
Here’s what I thought about the GOP debate.
McCain- Made horribly-unprofessional personal attacks against Romney, somewhat sluggish to make a point, made good comments about foreign policy but that was it, and struggled to answer questions about immigration, felt Romney put him in his place on this issue. Grade: C- (Really hurt himself w/ attacks, came across as unprepared to be president)
Thompson- Had a cool cat better-than-you attitude, made good short comments, I came away wishing he would have made a better effort, at one point I thought he had fallen asleep. Grade: B (Needs to take debates more seriously)
Paul- Was overlooked, but mainly due to his own comments, was very strong on the economy, I liked what he had to say about the American dollar, but the rest of his comments fringed on the outside of what I feel future America needs. Grade: C+ (some good ideas, but needs refining)
Romney- Handled Huckabee’s and McCain’s personal attacks very professionally with strong rebuttals, I thought he attacked McCain at one point but quickly realized he was pointing a difference in view points about immigration, what he said about America and families was wonderful, great comments about changing Washington using his record as and example of turning organizations around, fumbled with words a bit, but to be expected when defending ones self. Grade: A-(Showed leadership, look presidential, mature, had substance, and gave clear plan-based responses)
Huckabee- Only his personal attacks against Romney stand out in my memory, was a very clear speaker, although what he did say I felt like I heard it several times before, was surprised he didn’t mention religion once, that’s what he seemed to ran on in Iowa, coming out of Iowa I had hoped he’d talk about concrete plans for America like Giuliani and Romney did , don’t feel he made enough strong points to show himself as a leader. Grade: C ( Very quiet except for personal attacks, which he seemed to enjoy thoroughly )
Giuliani- One of two candidates who really explained personal plans for America (along with Romney), struggled to explain immigration in New York City, but in the end explained well enough, didn’t come across as being able to change Washington, made strong comments that showed his experience. Grade: B+ (Almost A-)( Strong points, showed leadership but not as well as Romney did)
With clearly stated plans for issues facing America, standing up for families, a defining and bold attitude, and conservative statements that really made him shine more than the other candidates ( ex. if companies are being fraudulent in transactions they should be punished, but companies should not be punished just because they are making money) Mitt Romney won this debate.
Posted by: Matthew Bailie | January 6, 2008, 5:01 am 5:01 am
It was obvious by this article and all the posts that the writer was clearly off the mark. I think George Stephanopoulos started it and then others jumped on the bandwagon of this very biased view of the debates on both sides.
I came into the debates pro Romney, and to try to be totally open minded I have asked myself who I could support if it is NOT him. After soul searching, I find I can NOT support Mccain or Huckabee. Huckabee is too one dimensional and definitely NOT strong enough to lead this country and McCain is too unreliable for the Republican Party and neither one strong enough to face the very formidable Democrat field. After his two year old performance tonight acting like a spoiled child, I cannot under any circumstances vote for McCain. All I can think about is him being in Middle East Peace talks acting like he did tonight.
Romney is Presidential. He is brilliant fiscally and America will fall in love with his family as they get to know them better and he has endless energy and positive attitude and enthusiasm.
If Guiliani were smart he would cool it on the bash Romney bandwagon and let McCain and Huckabee implode. Romney is in it for the long haul and if McCain and Huckabee continue like they did tonight, Romney and Guiliani will be the last two standing. Thompson kind of acts like that cocky jock in class that looks down his nose at everyone smuggly, although I do agree with most of his positions. If Romney and Guiliani in the end could join forces or have a Romney/Condoleeza ticket I would be one happy voter. If it is Huckabee or McCain I swear I won’t vote, thus giving it to the Democrats. I have voted Republican in every single election all my life but I cannot vote for the hypocrite Huckabee or the “all over the place” McCain.
Posted by: MP | January 6, 2008, 5:04 am 5:04 am
I deeply believe it’s true:
“Republicans and some Independents cross over in these caucuses to vote against a candidate just like in a primary race. There are those Republicans and Independents who despise the Clinton’s and have voted and will vote for other candidates to defeat them. The anti-Hillary spin machine is alive and well. This is what I did in Georgia in a primary, voted for a Republican in a primary up against Newt Gingrich. This is nothing new.”
Posted by: John Miller | January 6, 2008, 5:20 am 5:20 am
Let’s see if tomorrow morning George S. and others report about all the posts pro Romney on this website. It is on every single blog and obvious from many diverse individuals. George S. was wrong this time. IMHO, Romney won this debate, Guiliani 2nd. I agree wholeheartedly with the observations of the grades of the above poster.
Posted by: MP | January 6, 2008, 5:39 am 5:39 am
L Miller, true, Richard spoke about his achievements as secretary of energy. I know he knows the issue but he did not push for it to become a part of the (D) platform as Guiliani did and they went first in the debate. J Miller I voted for Bill Clinton twice and supported Hillary in her run in New York Senator, I was educated in NY close to Albany, born and raised in DC and now I live off the air in Cincinnati. But I am not going to vote for her. All I am confortable saying is DO YOUR OWN HOMEWORK but YOU MUST DIGG DEEP,THEN you will understand the true motivation behind the resistance. I agree it appears shallow as is the effort to make Obama “appear” inexperienced. All that said.
Mitt, Obama, and Edwards are the only ones I see with realist capbilities to do what has to be done. It truely is “nothing new”.
Posted by: inside the beltway | January 6, 2008, 5:52 am 5:52 am
Apparently, this article writer watched an entirely different GOP debate than I. Gov Romney was being blasted by both sides, he stood tall, “took the heat and stayed in the kitchen.” J Mc Cain and Mike Huckabee acted on a level unfitting for a Republican. They speak of Reagan…what about the 11th ammendment guys???
Let us all get real…it is the professionalism, the maturity, the business and moral ethics of Mitt Romney that we need. GO MITT
Posted by: debbie | January 6, 2008, 6:11 am 6:11 am
I am not from the US but I am following the Primaries. As a non American, I would have Mitt Romney as my President any day of the week. I hope America comes to its senses and votes for Romney.
Posted by: John | January 6, 2008, 6:25 am 6:25 am
It is unfortunate that most of the GOP candidates only talk about Health Care in generalities. Most American want solutions to health care not simple statements. Romney was the only one that mentioned Governors Schwarzenegger’s plan and other ideas on how to make Health Insurance more affordable.
Posted by: alpine873 | January 6, 2008, 6:42 am 6:42 am
Klein has got it all wrong. I think that Hillary’s critique on Edwards’ by-now well-known lack of accomplishment during his Senate tenure, and Obama’s inconsistent and changing positions on a number of issues, is on target and justified at this stage of the primaries.
It is time to look objectively into Obama’s record to see if he’s worthy of being President. If he passes such scrutiny, well and good, he can be President. If not, then Hillary is the obvious choice.
Hillary’s life’s work and accomplishments point to the Presidency as her ultimate destiny. She’ll be a great President.
(As for Edwards, he’s an opportunist trying to position himself as a VP option for Obama. Obama will play with him, but if it should happen, I think Obama will pick someone else. Edwards won’t last past New Hampshire.
Posted by: Ottilap | January 6, 2008, 6:50 am 6:50 am
The ignorance of most of you people amazes me. There is only one candidate that speaks of real change in every aspect including getting our troops out of a country that we have no businesss in. All the others are only running for prestige. Ron Paul is the clear choice and it doesn’t take a genius to figure it out. What is wrong with you people. Hillary is too wishy washy and puts her foot in her mouth every other day. Romney spends too much time talking trash about everyone else and when he’s not talking trash he is flip flopping. Obama wanted us to bomb Pakistan 3 months ago. The others are not Presidential material in any way shape or form. Dr. Ron Paul makes sense in every way. Finally, we have a brilliant man wanting to lead our country focusing on us, yet most of you seem to like having the IRS, CIA, FBI and the whole lot of government agencies in our finances, home and controlling our lives. Come on people, we are Americans. WAKE UP!!!
Posted by: Truth & Freedom | January 6, 2008, 7:01 am 7:01 am
kay…Obama is all about war….use your noodle.
Posted by: There is a storm coming! | January 6, 2008, 7:06 am 7:06 am
I think Clinton made a big mistake when she lost her cool…it was a bad moment. But she came back in the way she answered the question about people liking Obama more then her – that was excellent. Obama handeled the foreign policy questions well, but he never seemed very specific. Clinton handled the foreign policy questions in an excellent way. I think Clinton was tired and annoyed that she didn’t win in Iowa. Obama seems to have matured in the debates. However I still think the issue of experience is a major weak point for Obama. I’m still undecided.
Posted by: Eric Lopez | January 6, 2008, 7:25 am 7:25 am
I thought Hillary won the debate. edwards was a joke, especially when he answered the question about his greatest achievement, which turned out to be a bill that never passed in Congress. Hillary looked disgusted about the immaturity of the other candidates, their lack of experience, and their childish manner of reciting “change, change, change” with no substance to back it up. Hillary has a record of many successes. On the republican side, I was disappointed with Ron Paul, but I love his politics so I hope the other candidates pay serious attention to his followers after the 2008 elections. McCain looked old and slow, both physically and mentally. Romney and Huckabee were sharp.
Posted by: Pat | January 6, 2008, 7:32 am 7:32 am
I think Obama is the man for change he seems to be straight forward with much of his answers but on the other hand I think Hillary intends on becoming president because of the coat tail of her husband and people have to remember that she will be the president not her husband if we vote her in office
Posted by: Kenny | January 6, 2008, 7:50 am 7:50 am
edwards looked more like a puppet of obama then a contender?did he realise that he will never win the election maybe he is trying to be vice president.Hillary was the best,this article is too biased .Hillary is the best candidate for president
Posted by: j | January 6, 2008, 8:14 am 8:14 am
Obama became the only candidate to actually answer on issues of both health care AND social security. Hillary completely avoided the question to strike on Obama’s healthcare plans without mentioning what she would like to do with a broken social security system. This is concerning because Hillary’s “experience” is what has caused her to retaliate against Obama, and instead of using the opportunity to illuminate the public on issues that have become confusing and complex for the average American.
Posted by: Mark Greene | January 6, 2008, 8:19 am 8:19 am
Hillary proved who she really is last night.
Posted by: Bill | January 6, 2008, 8:21 am 8:21 am
Romney’s plan to export 12 million people is not do-able. If elected he will likely compromise on that one. He must feel this position will get him nominated. It does leave the others floundering for an equally strong position. I think it makes him look unrealistic on the face of it, though. I like McCain, but he didn’t do a great job debating. Romney executed well. Huckaby got it right when he quoted the Declaration of Independence. Everybody piled on that one.
I agree nothing big happened to give Hillary new traction. She can’t believe she’s where she is in all of this. Obama’s grasp of street level politics in Iraq has a serious defecit. I wish I had a transcript, but I remember thinking that his comments sounded like a self serving rationalization for his proposed actions in Iraq, and not like a considered analysis of Iraqi politics.
Posted by: nobodyspecial | January 6, 2008, 8:24 am 8:24 am
Edwards did look like an Obama puppet. He desperately needs to kncok down Clinton if he is to stay in this race. I thought Hillary held her own and showed that she does have the strength and intelligence to be our next President. Obama was o.k but I don’t think its his time yet- he needs more experience. On the Republican side Romney looked as sneaky as I suspected he was. He was arrogant and insited that all Americans should just buy their own insurance privately. DUH- Helloooo- most of us cannot do that and we rely on our employers to help us get favorable rates. McCain was funny and although I won’t vote for him he made Romney look like an idiot. Ron Paul was GREAT- funny and liberal and he made alot of sense. Rudy was Rudy…..all he can talk about is 911- and Huckabee was pretty good although I don’t agree wit hhis views. Fred Thompso nlooked old- tired – and he definately had no problem with oil companies amassing enormous profits- shows where his loyalty would lie if he were President !! All of the Republicans were afraid to talk frankly about Bush – they were all brown nosers. Instead they brought up Ronald Reagan as if he were some real prize !!! I’d take Hillary over everyone ..she did GREAT !!
Posted by: jimbo | January 6, 2008, 8:24 am 8:24 am
I disagree with this analysis. I summed up the debate to my child as Obama said he was for change (no definiiton of wwhat that means), Edwards was PSSIONATETLY for change (no definition of what that means) adn Hillary will work, as she has in the past, for change (with details).
Edwards demonstrated the weakness he will have as a president when the accomplishment he put forward for 6 years in the Senate was something he felt passionate about — but didn’t pass.
Posted by: PLR | January 6, 2008, 8:28 am 8:28 am
“hillary completely avoided the question to strike on Obama’s healthcare plan”…yes, that is what Hillary does. It is completely unfathomable to me that people can so clearly have the sheep pulled over their eyes by Hillary. Being the wife of a governor, then a President gives you no more “experience” to run a country than being the wife of a doctor givese you the ability to treat patients. Hillary NEVER once answers a question with how she expects to produce change. Furthermore, her attack on Obama stating that she has fought against big business and lobbyist is a complete farce. She is a staunch defender of monetary contributions from lobbyists and is very cozy with the special interest groups. Are you sure she won’t be influenced by all that money she is receiving? She receives MORE money from the healthcare industry and pharmaceutical companies than any other senator except 1. I guess that’s why she doesn’t want to talk about her plan and would rather shift attention to Obama’s lack of mandates. She talks a good talk SAYING she wants to make changes and has taken action to produce change but I”d like to actually SEE action rather than hear her state it because frankly, she’s either lying or delusional over her own failing record.
Posted by: DrMcDuke | January 6, 2008, 8:36 am 8:36 am
I would like to know why the Democrats are never asked any questions about illegal immigration. Could it be that their partners (MSM) know that mainstream America’s views on illegals is nearer to the conservative view and don’t want to “damage” the democrats with the public?
Posted by: Marion Broussard | January 6, 2008, 8:36 am 8:36 am
Loved GOP debate. Romney was the target because he is best and brightest choice. McCain and Huck looked silly, with their personal attacks, while trying to hide their records. NOT WORKING at all. I was laughing all the way thru huck’s health care comments. ALL people age and deteriorate. There are accidents and cancer, on and on. Our health care problems cannot be handled only by preventative health care! I enjoyed Charles Gibson and thought he did a great job. And that other guy was good too. I was moved to tears when the dems came out to greet the reps. I’m so proud to be an American! Peaceful, civil (mostly) changing of power. INCREDIBLE. That was my first dem debate. I was surprised at how unable these people will be to solve problems. I belong to the right party. Thx for these debates ABC!
Posted by: michelle cooley | January 6, 2008, 8:37 am 8:37 am
While I thought Mitt Romney did a good job standing his ground on theissues, I find it a little amazing that simply by pointing a finger at John McCain and Gov. Huckabee and saying “Let’s stick to the issues, not personal attacks”, he was able to convince many of the viewers that he was actually being attacked. To me, undecided about whom I will support as a Republican, his use of the whining posture about being attacked was an ovbious pre-lanned strategy to mask what was really going on (being challenged legitmately on his stand on issues). It reminded me of Geraldine Ferraro’s completely rehearsed jibe back at her opponent in a debate wherein she self-righteously stated that she was being patronized. Mitt Romney clearly has run attack ads in a number that far outweighs anything by his opponents. His wounded attitude really smacked of hypocricasy to those like myself who have no personal favorites in the race as of yet. It certainly gave me a much less favorable impression of him.
Posted by: mary | January 6, 2008, 8:47 am 8:47 am
Hillary stating that she being elected as a woman is a historical “first”; well what would the election of Obama be?
Hillary constantly stating that she has thirty-five years of “experience” and attempting to heap on Obama for his lack: oh please-somebody ask this woman to show where SHE fought all this change except as a board member, like so many political wives.
Hillary is sooo ole school and shows her ability to be negative with her attempts to “get into Obama’s stuff last night. Hillary broke down and showed her true negative face and many of us are tired of negative campaigning. She should stick to WHAT she is going to do better and not slide into attacking. I do not want a candidate who cannot stick to what he or she is going to do and must deflect off the issues by attacking.
The real Hillary could not hide behind this new created image and it is shameful that the men could not ask her which Hillary was making an appearance last night.
She tries to attack Obama on some of the same perceived “short coming” that her husband in name only had when he ran for and won the presidency; so she should tread lightly when trying to portray Obama as green. One day somebody will call her out on this.
Posted by: Pat | January 6, 2008, 8:53 am 8:53 am
Wow, i cant believe how many people are still drinking the Clinton kool aide… When are people going to realize that clinton and her husband do not care about you or me. They are only consumed by power and the need for it. As a new yorker i was warning my friends that clinton only had interest in the senate as a springboard to the presidency. To me she is a no different than the carpetbaggers from the northern states who traveled south during reconstruction for power. We as Democrats have to remember, it was the clintons who lied to you about Lewinsky and the scandals. We lost both houses of congress in 1994 directly because of them and the clinton failed health plan. If she is the nominee i guarantee we will lose the senate or congress because she will do what no other republican is doing: Uniting the conservatives to go out and vote. Her supporters point to her 35 years experience. Name one thing she did for the American people in those 35 years?
Posted by: Dan P | January 6, 2008, 8:59 am 8:59 am
ABC…it is so obvious that you are biased against Mitt Romney.John McCain was just plain childish last night,as well as “dead Fred”.Huckaberry was just plain lost in the debate.This is a left wing media driven election,and is plain obvious that they want in the two candidates that support illegal immigration.McCain and Obama!Dick Morris on Fox News,even said Mitt won this debate hands down ABC! Get off of your biggotry against Mitt.Let America choice their candidate,not your network!
Posted by: twister61 | January 6, 2008, 9:03 am 9:03 am
The debate on democratic side was two people just making statements and Hillary was the only one giving specifics like a 5 point plan in regards to Pakistan. In that she showed that she had learned from the past experiences. I think change needs action not just speech. I haven’t seen any more specifics from Obama and Edwards for making a change, so there is just talk and no plan.
Posted by: NJ Voter | January 6, 2008, 9:06 am 9:06 am
Ok, Democrat in GA who has supported Edwards until switching to Obama recently, weighing in:
REPUBLICANS: I haven’t cared much for Mitt Romney, but I thought he handled himself better all things considered. I like and respect John McCain more, but he was childish at times, frankly. I don’t know how that’s going to play out in the primary, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Romney gains on McCain now. The other candidates did nothing to distinguish themselves, but they did nothing to hurt themselves either. I think Thompson probably came across more relaxed. Ron Paul is likeable, but comes across kind of scattered-brained sometimes, not in his ideas, but in his delivery.
DEMOCRATS: I don’t think anyone hurt themselves, but Edwards gave the best performance. Whether its enough to help him significantly, I don’t know. Obama stayed on his points, and Clinton made her’s, but if the goal for her was to somehow trip up or slow down Obama, I didn’t see anything that would. She had a chance if Edwards had teamed up with her, but when he attacked her for attacking Obama, that put her on the defensive for awhile, and she never really had a chance to land anything on Obama as a result. Nod to Edwards overall, but I don’t think it’ll significantly change Democrat numbers for the primary. Also a nod to Richardson who got stronger as the evening went on, but I don’t see him having a chance.
Posted by: Tom Mc | January 6, 2008, 9:43 am 9:43 am
I think all the front runners came across as childish. McCain, Guiliani, Huckabee, and Romney couldn’t stop the immature bickering long enough to actually discuss the issues. While I think Paul is a kook he does stay on his issues and points. But the clear winner to me, while he is not a factor in NH, was Fred Thompson. I think he was the only candidate on stage last night that acted presidential. He is also the only candidate that I see that has been consistent with my own conservative views.
Posted by: Stewart | January 6, 2008, 9:45 am 9:45 am
I, too, want to thank ABC, and Charlie Gibson, for the very interesting debates. I have watched almost all the debates and read as much as I can from many sources to try to sort through the ads and hype. I think that Romney has been running a negative campaign all along and it came back to him during the debates. I really think that he is hoping the rich will vote for him so he can protect their interests. I thought that McCain and, to a lesser extent, Huckabee should have refrained from jabs other than when it was their turn for rebuttal. I thought Fred Thompson was disinterested in the entire debate. I also think that Guliani needs to stop telling us what he did in NY on 911…it was only an accident of fate that he was there at that time…what would any other mayor have done…probably equally as well.
On the Democratic side, I think that Obama showed that he is intelligent and does have a good grasp of the issues. Edwards is passionate and what is wrong with doing a great job in what you do for a living…like when he was a trial lawyer. I think Clinton is banking on experience in the status quo. The child health program is almost bankrupt and is not managed very well. We do, as a nation, need changes….major changes in the entire way our bills enter the system and pass…with all the extraneous, costly garbage attached. Half the time the entire bills are not even read before before passing. The President can only do so much. As far as experience goes…the President doesn’t have to know everything, but they do need to have intelligent, knowledgeable advisers and be able to sort through the information that is passed to them when making decision. I am still undecided on my vote but this debate helped to narrow the field for me.
Posted by: Fran | January 6, 2008, 9:50 am 9:50 am
I think Romney ought to fess up – Bush has BRAINWASHED him about the Iraq war! Like FATHER, like SON!
Posted by: Allan J Krueger | January 6, 2008, 9:52 am 9:52 am
Fred Thompson – was he smoking his cigar? Yep, he is presidential alright. Hitch your wagon to Fred – he’s the greatest! NOT.
Where is Ronald Reagan when we need him? if y’all weren’t against cloning – just think of the possibilities?
Posted by: Allan J Krueger | January 6, 2008, 9:57 am 9:57 am
Obama is a member of the Church of Christ. He has relatives who are Muslim, but outside of someone being a religious bigot, I can’t see what that has to do with anything.
Posted by: Tom Mc | January 6, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am
Having seen the democratic debate, I think Hillary did probably the best of all the candidates, and in any other election her performance would probably have allowed her to recover some ground from the other candidates. She showed great knowledge of the issues, she was dead on when arguing for her track record and experience vs. what she calls “false hopes” that her adversaries are riding on. Plus, she actually has a point with Obama’s votes in Senate, which is something I hope will become a serious discussion in the coming days.
However, in my view she has a huge mountain to climb here. Obama had one moment in which he summed it all, and it was when he said “the truth is, words do inspire”. You can imagine the desperation on the Hillary camp as he said this, but it’s true: politics always implies an enormous level of persuasion (with one’s peers, one’s adversaries, as well as with the average citizen) such that things actually come to happen. However technically sound, Hillary’s message often comes across as “elect ME” because I am going to change the country FOR YOU, and Obama always ends up trouncing her with his inclusive “let’s go change the world” (as in, all of US, TOGETHER). And you know what, the indications on the type of guys he has in the field, the sheer number of small contributors to his campaign, as well as the excitement he creates among people, all clearly seem to back up the idea that he does embody a national movement for change.
The fact is, the capability to move people towards a higher goal is what politics is all about. In my opinion, Hillary happens to fail in the art of politics at its core, where one only survives if one excels in both engaging people’s aspirations (yes, mostly through oratory skills) and backing that up with hard facts whenever necessary to support one’s positions. Obama happens to thrive in this. That’s why I think he probably cannot be stopped at this point – people have started to truly believe in his message.
To be honest, if I was part of the establishment in the Democratic party, more than disappointed with Hillary’s current declining trend, I would be thankful to God that this guy was on my field and not on the other. If this movement does catch fire across the US, Obama may actually end up as president. and who knows what happens then? Maybe he’ll change the world after all.
Posted by: Thormigo | January 6, 2008, 10:25 am 10:25 am
For many people these debates won’t change opinions. I personally thought McCain did a great job of deflecting Romney’s negative attacks and Romney just looked like a spoiled, petulant child. Obviously, Romney supporters saw it differently.
My question, how much information can the debates really provide that will tell you what kind of a president the candidate will be? George Bush’s candidacy soared when he called himself the “compassionate conservative.” Where was the proof that he really was? It was a phrase he used to combat negative feelings the electorate had. I think his legacy proves he is neither compassionate (child health care) nor conservative (the deficit!!)
Posted by: Lorraine Cittadino | January 6, 2008, 10:33 am 10:33 am
It’s ironic to me that with all the talk of ‘spin’ from the candidates, it’s actually the media who does most of the spinning.
Every facial tick, every neance, every phrase, every context is parsed, packaged, labelled, anbd presented to us as the new dogma. The media creates the plot lines and personnas and then flogs those perceptions to death.
Obama may or may not be the fresh faced agent of change, but the media has decided that that’s what he is (or we think he is after their telling us ad nauseum), and that becomes the political paradigm.
I’ve never been more disgusted with the media inserting itself into and influencing our poilitical process than I am right now.
Tez
Posted by: Tez | January 6, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am
I’ve been supporting Edwards with Obama as my second choice. I don’t agree with those that disliked Hillary’s tone when defending her history of change. I think it’s sexism. That said, when I look at her experience and what her husband did when in office, it’s a very mixed bag. They did a good job balancing the budget and the economy was doing well at the time. However, I never forget that Clinton initiated NAFTA and did all that wheeling and dealing with the Chinese. These things set the groundwork for our current situation, exacerbated by eight years of Bush’s raping of the economy. If Hillary is claiming her experience as first lady, which I find entirely fair, then she has to take the rap for these items which is why I would not endorse another Clinton in the White House.
At the end of the debate, I thought Edwards did the best. Obama did well. And I will cast my vote in Michigan (we don’t get to ‘really’ vote) as undecided as a statement that I am not for Hillary or Kucinach (who are the only two on our ballot).
Posted by: KS Rose | January 6, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am
I’m sorry, but the Presidency is not for those in training. Obama just does not have the experience to work with other politicians to get the job done. How can you get change in a Democracy without being able to work within the system. A president cannot do anything on his agenda without the support of other politicians. What America needs is someone who can work with both parties to bring about change and that person is Hillary Clinton. She is respected by politicians from both parties. WE ARE ELECTING A PRESIDENT FOLKS NOT CHOOSING A BEST FRIEND. We elected a friend the last two elections and look what it got us—W! What was so bad about the nineties? Inflation was low, there wasn’t a deficit, no unending Iraq War, unemployment was low, stock market was up. Edwards and Obama try to make it out to be a bad period in our history, but it was an awfully good decade. IN OUR HISTORY, EXPERIENCE WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE!
Posted by: Mike | January 6, 2008, 10:37 am 10:37 am
To Mr.Allan J.Krueger, the United States doesn’t need an enemy within. If, you don’t know we are fighting a war with muslims who want us dead. Because we are, some of us Christians. I have a hard time believing in what politicions have to say so please excuse me if I don’t believe.
And, please excuse the politically incorrect question. If more of these questions had been asked prior to 9/11 we wouldn’t still have the twin towers won’t we.
Posted by: JJ | January 6, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am
Mike,
Using your logic, George Bush was appointed President based upon his extensive experience. Look at the quagmire this country is in now as a result.
20 years of two families running the country has to end. While I voted for Bill Clinton both times, and don’t dislike Hillary, she won’t be elected becuase the right wing neocons will make the swiftboat ads against Kerry look like endorsement ads.
It is time for a change!
Obama / Edwards 08
Posted by: rjs | January 6, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am
Obama scares the **** out of me. His name is Barack Hussein Obama yet no mention of that in the press lately.
It’s amazing how blind people are and will willingly walk right into their graves.
Posted by: None | January 6, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am
You don’t think Obama/Edwards wouldn’t be swift boated?
Posted by: Tez | January 6, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am
Obama/Edwards you’ve got to be kidding me. Obama will never have a white VP it will be another black man probably Jessie Jackson. This country is headed for a welfare state. Obama will raise taxes and cater to affirmative action. Talk about taking jobs away from real hardworking Americans. He favors amnesty too. What a joke of a man he is.
Posted by: rjs puleaze | January 6, 2008, 10:56 am 10:56 am
I cant for the life of me understand why those campaign spinmeisters have to come to this sight and spin their candidates perforomance…OH, I see, because they MUST in order to have any semblance of reality interjected to an otherwise fanciful analysis. I am so disappointed that the press’ interjects of itself into the campaign mode for the candidates the analysts support, it truly is a sad situation. I do hope the astute voters of NH will distinguish what they saw from what they are being told they saw.
Posted by: Russ | January 6, 2008, 11:01 am 11:01 am
Obama is not a man of change. He keeps using that word because stupid Americans eat it up and ask questions later. This country is doomed with him sitting in the WH..even though he will lose to any republican in the general elections. The republicans are afraid of Hillary since she is the only nomination that will take them down and rule on election day. I’ve heard of republicans switching in the primaries just to vote for Obama. They want him in so they can whip him in November.
If you want a republican out of the white house vote Hillary. If you want an inexperienced suit to lose to a republican vote Obama.
Posted by: Joe | January 6, 2008, 11:04 am 11:04 am
“Obama scares the **** out of me. His name is Barack Hussein Obama yet no mention of that in the press lately.”
Hey “none” Mitt Romney doesn’t have a middle name, yet no mention of that in the press lately.
Posted by: rjs | January 6, 2008, 11:04 am 11:04 am
Mitt handled all the attacks from Mccain professionally. He was articulate, and he was the most Presidential out of the group. As for Mccain, he lost my respect last night with all the personal attacks on Gov.Romney, Mccain was out for blood last night. We can’t put someone in the Whitehouse with that kind of childish behavior. Plus,coming from Az, Mccain should be the front runner with a solution to illegal immigration, but unfortunately, Mccain like Bill Richardson of NM, doesn’t understand the meaning of illegal.
Go, Mitt, you have my support.
Posted by: Linda Costner | January 6, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am
John Mccain showed his true colors during the debate. He is known for being a snippy, cynical man. These debates are about serious issues. He should have more respect for the office he is running for. Mitt definitely came out the winner of the gop debate.
If I were a democrat, I would vote for Edwards. Obama is all hot air. Hillary came across as abrasive. She spends half of her time talking about Bush. Hillary doesnt need to tell the democrats what Bush did wrong. She needs to tell what she is going to do.
As for people making changes on positions. There is a difference between a flip flopper and a change. A flip flopper is what Hillary does. She changes positions according to what group she is talking to. I dont mind someone changing their position once during their career. Those people probably understand both sides of the issue more than someone who held one position their whole life.
Posted by: amie | January 6, 2008, 11:33 am 11:33 am
I hope the Democrats win and make the this country the biggest welfare state in the 21st century. I don’t want to work any more.
Posted by: JB | January 6, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am
The democrats have to win in November they promised to make the country into a welfare state and I like that.
Posted by: JB | January 6, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
Obama mentioned his church during his appearance with Oprah. It’s the Trinity Church of Christ. I found this interesting.
Obama’s church:
Please read and go to this church’s website and read what is written there. I checked the church website and what I found is very alarming.
Barack Obama is a member of this church and is running for President of the U.S. If you look at the first page of their website, you will learn that this congregation has a non-negotiable commitment to Africa. No where is AMERICA even mentioned. Notice too, what color you will need to be if you should want to join Obama’s church… B-L-A-C-K!!! Doesn’t look like his choice of religion has improved much over his (former?) Muslim upbringing.
Are you aware that Obama’s middle name is Hussein? Strip away his nice looks, the big smile and smooth talk and what do you get? Certainly a racist, as plainly defined by the stated position of his church! And possibly a covert worshiper of the Muslim faith, even today. This guy desires to rule over America while his loyalty is totally vested in a Black Africa!
I cannot believe this has not been all over the TV and newspapers.This is why it is so important to pass this message along to all of our family & friends. To think that Obama has even the slightest chance in the run for the presidency, is really scary.
Click on the link below: This is the web page for the church of which Barack Obama is a member:
http://www.tucc.org/about.htm
Posted by: Facts only | January 6, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am
Hilary,Obama and Edwards have promised free medical care for everyone, so my vote goes to one of these. By the way this will cost taxpayers more money so who cares.
Posted by: JB | January 6, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm
Latest poll from Rasmussen Reports shows the frontrunners like this…
Obama: 39%
Clinton: 27%
Edwards: 18%
McCain: 32%
Romney: 30%
According to the poll, 40 percent of Democratic primary voters will be Independents, who heavily favor Obama over Clinton.
Unless this debate changed something big time (the poll was conducted on Sat, before the debate), Obama will win NH, possibly in a landslide.
Posted by: Daniel Rathman | January 6, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
One only has to read the comments here to see the disconnect between viewers and media. Howard Kurtz, “Reliable Sources” on CNN explained it this morning. The media has been noticeably chilly towards Romney and refusing to give him any of the support for a comeback that they lavish on others. The best explanation an obviously uncomfortable negative panelist could come up with for the palpable dislike is the media thought him “too polished”. It was clear win for Romney last night. Look at the focus group live ratings for the night! I have been a McCain supporter until I saw him behaving like a kindegartner last night. He couldn’t have looked more juvenile if he had jumped out of his seat and sprinted around the room high fiving after he thought he scored. It was gratuitous and petty. He may be the only one who has a chance of beating a Dem, but I don’t know if I can get that image out of my mind.
Posted by: Bits | January 6, 2008, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
I wonder if the demands for Hillary to change her prickly image are taking a toll. She looked angry, resentful and vascillated between that unpleasant vocal pitch and the new softer one. I agree that claiming that she is the one who can change things because she has been working for change for THIRTY FIVE YEARS is a loser of a platform when it is obvious nothing has changed. After the visceral hatred towards a president the country has been exposed to for 8 years, Obama would be a nice change. I think partisans will respect him even if they don’t agree with him. I worry about putting in a Clinton to continue the partisan wars. It will be another 8 years of visceral hatred towards a president. Enough already.
Posted by: Bits | January 6, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm
THIS ARTICLE, AND THE MEDIA IN GENERAL, IS SPINNING WHAT WAS A POSITIVE DEBATE FOR ROMNEY. HE HANDLED HIMSELF EXTREMELY WELL, FOCUSING ON THE ISSUES, AND NOT STOOPING TO THE LEVEL OF HIS ATTACKERS. MCCAIN ACTED LIKE A 4TH GRADER! WHY CAN’T THE MEDIA GET IT RIGHT?!
Posted by: JIM | January 6, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
rjs- iF YOU FOLLOWED THE ELECTION BACK IN 2000 BUSH WAS THE CANIDATE THAT NO REAL POILITICAL EXPERIENCE. HE PUSHED THAT HE WAS FOR CHANGE AND THAT HE WAS ONE FOR CHANGE IN AMERICA AND GET US BACK ON TRACK AND THAT MCCAIN AND THEN DURING THE GENERAL ELECTION AL GORE WERE THE STATUS QUO. AMERICANS VOTED FOR A PERSON THEY WOULD BEST LIKE TO HAVE A BEER WITH WAS THE POPULAT SLOGAN THEN. IM AM GONNA SAY AGAIN WE SPECT THE LAST 8 YEARS WITH A ON THE JOB TRAINING PRESIDENT. DO WE AS A COUNTRY WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN. THIS ISN’T A WHITE OR BLACK THING OR A MALE OR FEMALE THING. ITS ABOUT DOING WHATS DOING WHAT RIGHT FOR OUR FAMILIES. IM GONNA ASK AGAIN WHO WOULD YOU WANT TO PILOT A PLAN YOU AND YOUR FAMILY ARE ON. AN EXPIERNENCED PILOT OR A ROCK STAR WITH A MANUAL.
Posted by: LaJaeric Miller | January 6, 2008, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
Which candidate in either party would you most trust in a crisis situation with foreign heads of state (with finger on the hot button)?
Which candidate has consistently maintained self-control while under verbal attack?
What do people in foreign countries think of our candidates, based on their dancing, guitar playing, flip-flopping, and back-stabbing?
If you were a foreign head of state, which candidate would you be most likely to trust?
Posted by: Sally | January 6, 2008, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm
I think the bottom line regarding Gov. Romney is that he has demonstrated that he will lie just to sound good — such claiming a radio host used a “hidden cameras”:
Posted by: Danny | January 6, 2008, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
Daniel Rathman-
Nice spin Daniel! The facts-
“The CNN-WMUR poll conducted Friday night and Saturday afternoon showed the two in a tight race, each with 33 percent support. A second poll, from The Concord Monitor and Research 2000, shows Obama at 34 and Clinton at 33.”
Posted by: Mike | January 6, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
I’m undecided who I will vote for, but I’m very clear who I will NOT vote for, and that’s Hillary Clinton. I agree with those who question her 35 years of ‘experience’. I don’t doubt that she has worked feverishly for the benefit of others, but she is far to polarizing a figure. She belongs in the legislature where she can put forth her ideas. The President has to be someone who can bring people together. I think it’s time for a change–a real dramatic change. Hillary represents more of the same. I supported her for awhile. But I don’t really see that much of a difference in any of the Democratic frontrunners’ plans for this country. Given that, I want someone who can at least MAYBE change the path of this country. I lean towards Obama who may not have the political experience, but he does have the leadership qualities. All Hillary shows in that area is a sense of entitlement
Posted by: fsbo'smom | January 6, 2008, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
I remember Bill Clinton did not win in New Hampshire or Iowa but went on to win the nomination and then on to the Presidency.
The Iowa primary IS just a public relations primary and the New Hampshire primrary is slowly becoming one. The REAL primaries are the ones that come later.
As for the debates, the only accomplishment the candidates will achieve by making “blistering” personal attacks on other candidates belonging to the same party is to divide their party and make it harder for their nominee to win.
Posted by: jfm125 | January 6, 2008, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm
The people don’t decide this election, the media and the delegates do. CNN has Hillary Clinton beating Barack Obama by a landslide with the superdelegates.
I believe the media and sneaky Republicans voting outside their party are responsible for the Obama hype, which in reality he is nothing more than a puppet reading the same script over and over. I think the Republicans planted him in this race. They are praying for Obama to win so they can sweep him up and put him out in the morning trash come election day. The DNC knows better and that’s why I think she has huge number of delegate support and not so much of a high number of poll or (to date) caucus support.
The Republicans are evil and will stop at nothing to steal another election. I feel bad for Obama because he is going to cry and lick his wounds worse than when someone called his ears Dumbo in NH last year.
The riots are going to be worse than Rodney King.
Posted by: Duomo | January 6, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm
If Obama wins…it wouldn’t surprise me. People in the United States are so shortsighted and easily swayed by political manipulation.
How else do you explain George Bush being elected TWICE…?!
The same George Bush that was able to get the support of so many Americans in his goal of going to war with Iraq AND alienating the rest of the world in the process.
Barack Obama is a wonderful orator and appeals to so many of the younger generation with his broad smile and poised look. However…I am DONE with people who…like George Bush… does not have the credentials or experience to run this country.
If Barack Obama had Hilliary Clinton’s experience and record of fighting the “bad guys” in Washington…I would be voting for Barack Obama. He doesn’t and I won’t.
The job of President of the United States should not be entrusted to someone who spent so much time hanging around students and teaching students instead of GROWING UP in the real world of Washington.
Obama for President…another mistake by the American people.
Posted by: Michael | January 6, 2008, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm
What we really need is someone like that French president who just dumped his wife and is going around with a brand new girlfriend younger by some twenty years.
He got into office by promising all types of CHANGES and so far he has made some significant changes to his personal life. Nothing to help the French people of course.
Posted by: JohnB | January 7, 2008, 6:13 am 6:13 am