Clinton Team Calls on Obama to Condemn Negative Spanish Ads

Well, the leaders of this 527 — beyond endorsing him — have no connection to the Obama campaign. That stands in stark contrast to the situation in Iowa, where the 527 in question was headed up by a former Edwards campaign adviser. Clinton & Edwards want the advantages of 527 groups working for them, but they don’t want Obama to have the same thing.
Make no mistake, UNITE HERE is hitting the Clinton campaign hard, but it’s important to note that this is hot on the heels of the Clinton partisans’ lawsuit against the Nevada State Democratic Party to prevent UNITE HERE’s workers from caucusing — and this only after they learned that the union representing those workers is supporting Obama, rather than Clinton.

Wasn’t that the same kind of dirty tricks Obama was complaining here in Iowa? He cried out loud about dirty tricks but it seems he is allowing his campaign to do it everywhere else. I voted for him in Iowa but I am seeing the other face of Obama and I don’t like it. He’s starting to look way to cocky and to calculated…like the rest of the politicians.

It’s ironic that few are mentioning the reason behind the union’s outrage — they were personally offended with the lawsuit that Clinton-backers filed to prevent them from caucusing…and they have a right to be. Since New Hampshire, I’ve found that the Clintons are indeed playing dirty and encouraging negativity in ways that I am amazed to see, as I once vehemently supported them. I’ve found their antics — which are noticeably omitted or lightly glazed over by the media — to be a huge disappointment.

Why should Obama apologize?? — It’s okay when it’s for Hillary but not when it’s against — as I said in a previous posting Hillary wears her victimhood as a medal.
If there are groups going out against something that the Clinton’s tried to pull it’s not up to Obama to make it all better.

Shame on the Clinton’s. They say that you can tell a persons real character when the chips are down. Well the Clinton’s are really showing their true colors and it stinks. I am a female “Nu Yawker” and I am so ashamed of my Senator. I am going to support Obama all the way……..he is a breath of fresh air with new ideas and such an optimistic outlook. He is also reaching out to all parties and that is what I like about him. I am a Latina and I also believe….

I will say it again, Obama is an empty Suit with rhetoric and no substance. He wants to make history to serve his ego over the National interest of the American People no matter what color they may be. Remember that he said he came from the South Side of Chicago and quote: “We know how to get down and dirty.” Well I examined his expression while doing autographs and talking with the audience after the last debate when he made “nice,” and there was this look of realization that he had frankly been outclassed. Gee, Duh! So maybe Obama is just two faced, saying one thing and doing something else and turning a blind eye to this terrible drivel to achieve his goal what ever the cost. This is really what we don’t need after eight years of George Bush Jr.’s carousel of pain and lies.

So, what did Obama say that offended people? Sounds like much to do about nothing.

CHANGE WHAT? SPECIFICALLY WHAT? AND HOW WOULD HE DO IT?
Somebody answer me that, because Obama’s not answering.

I wonder if America is really ready for a politician that doesn’t respond the way folks think he should. He’s not engaging in dirty politics, rather, he’s choosing not to engage. This is an outside group that can choose to post what they want. Why does Sen. Clinton get upset whenever something she doesn’t like occurs? Sounds like she’s another George W. to me.

Sorry midwestlady – Obama has never played the “race card” as a platform on which to run. He is so far beyond that and that’s what people don’t understand. Change is coming whether certain folks are ready for it or not. There will be a Democrat in the White House come January 09. You can thank George Bush for that.

He’s playing the race card left and right. What are you talking about?

Further to the left than Clinton? Please do some serious research before making such accusations.

So midwest, are you saying that Hillary (as a minority) is in it for her own agenda? (that of being “the first woman President). And not kidding myself – going on track record, and the commentary of those who have worked with him.

And for the record, I don’t think he’s playing the race card. I do think that the media wants him to, and they are quite frankly confused why he isn’t. That’s part of the “new world” that we’re in. Where a Black man like Barack can compete based on competency rather than pulling the race card. God Bless America!

midwest, I only offer the website as a starting point. of course it would be intelligent to seek other sources. i definitely don’t think a candidates website tells the whole story. i agree with you there

i like your fire midwest – have you made a decision of who to support yet?

It is SOOOO much fun watching them battle. Hey…maybe Barack should run as a third party candidate if he loses the nomination.
Posted by: Dave Crandall | Jan 18, 2008 6:23:03 PM
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now there you go feeding off the negative propoganda. what real estate fraud? he attended a grade school where there were several kids from different religious backgrounds (besides, what choice does a kid have in how they are raised?) And as for the Black vote, he’s trying to get everyone out regardless of race.

When republicans get on Hillary’s case, it is probably exaggerated but not so with democrats. The truth is, like it or not Hillary groupies, she is far too much trouble for our divided land and at least Obama has a chance to somewhat unite it.

No Obama should not condemn the ads, the truth painful that it is, is still the truth.

I agree with the importance of securing the integrity of the elections. Let’s hope that the Democratic party of Nevada have the best interest of the country at heart.

The United States is at a critical point. Either Barack Obama remains an effective canpaigner and politician through the entire year of 2008 and continuing into 2009, or the INited States is lost. I’m a white American and belive the previous sentence to be true.

Hillary is soooooo polarizing. Why do you think the Republicans really want her to win? You can hear it everywhere. They know that it would be harder for them to win in November if they are up against someone who can pull Republican AND Independent votes from them

Is she kidding me or what? Are you supporters kidding us or what? Let use review history. Remember the ad some group put out in NH on behalf of Hillary regarding Obama’s Insurance plan? The ad tried to give the apperance that it was coming from John Edwards?
Were you all outraged then Hillary supporters? Or was your excuse that she didn’t put the ad out, so it doesn’t matter? If that was your answer, well he didn’t put the ad out so it doesn’t matter. Get over it!
You all are as partisan and as lame as she is. The river only flows in one direction for you people. And because of you people the Democratic party will be defeated come November!
I will be more than happy to join the ranks of other Dems. Indeps. and Repubs. in voting against your precious Hillary.
Hey midwestlady,
So what if he is playing the race card. She is playing the gender card? What do you have to say to that? Or do you just critize him and not her?
Hey boohall,
He will get more than she will! In fact, he will get cross over votes. What will she get besides a loss of votes within her own party?

Midwest Lady. You know full well that Hillary is the most hated person in America besides Bush and to support her is blind to that fact. The dems as a party have far too much at stake to let her drag down the country in hate which in turn destroys the party in the future.

I really think that another strength the USA will benefit from is the fact that Obama will COMMAND the RESPECT of our enemies. They certainly don’t FEAR us (Bush tactics). We have to restore the respect that we once commanded in the world.

Craig. So what you ask? My point is that it’s stupid to run on “I’m a woman,” or “I’m black.” And that’s what I’m looking at this year in the Democratic party.
What we need is a president, not a poster child for the PC crowd.

Go to the website of Obama’s church (Trinity United Church of Christ, Chicago) and check out their praise of Louis Farrakhan, the leader of the Black Muslims. It’s in their magazine, Trumpet, current issue, article available online right now.

midwest – why are so insistent that he is running on the “i’m Black” platform. Hillary has groups like the N.O.W. backing her, but Obama hasn’t even received an NAACP endorsement. In fact, only about 1/2 of the Congressional Black Caucus has even endorsed him. I’m telling you, this is a really different individual.

why does everyone over here seem to be so concerned about bashing these candidates? the media have nothing better to do than to perpetuate these little skirmishes… LETS STICK TO ISSUES PLEASE!!!

And you know this how, Duane? You read his website?
He was involved in real estate deals in Chicago with a Mr. Rezko. Google is your friend.
Whatever makes you think he has the experience to run the United States Government???

Frank,
And you know this how? YOu’re assuming a lot. HOw much do you really know about Obama?

And you are sure of that, Dale? His parents were. He was raised Muslim. His church honors Farrakhan with social honors.
I do have my facts straight. I don’t think you understand Islam, Farrakhan style or otherwise, very well… You have some homework to do.

midwest – he wasn’t raised Muslim for his entire life. I checked out the church’s website and they are clearly Christian. The whole “Barack is a Muslim” debate is so OLD and TIRED. Just a diversion to try to slow the momentum his campaign has gained. Too late though. By the way, he’s been a member of the Christian church for 15 years!!!!!

Dale – You obviously have done some reading. You’re right on the money. Some folks would benefit from some cultural diversity training…

Mary, you sound like midwest. Where are you guys coming off that he has “no experience”? He clearly does have “experience”. Again, I ask what type of marker are you guys looking for? Age? Years in the Senate? What?
Some folks would say that “experience” can sometimes be overrated – especially if the same old politics “just won’t do”

Prince Charming continues his slide to the dark side. This is to be expected from someone who lacks experience to be the President and someone who has assorted issues yet to be vetted fully. He is turning into someone who is not worthy of the democratic nomination.

midwest – considering that I’m a Black man myself, I wouldn’t exactly describe Obama as “palatable” or “good looking” (smile). Again, if we are looking at experience on the Democratic side, the most qualified folks have dropped out (Richardson, Dodd, Biden). So, obviously America is not just looking at that factor. And his economic stimulus package and proposal for universal health care are very specific about the types of change he’s talking about

His mother was a white woman from Arkansas… where would she have possibly Islam?! His grandparents were Muslim but his father was an Athiest … It is possible to be born into a Muslim family and abstain from the religion and I am proof of that. I am a Christain even though both my grandparents were Muslims. seems like you need to do your homework midwest.
The only correlation between the Obama’s church and the Farrakhan is that they want black people to be self sufficient and be productive memebers of society.

Duane – He’s been in office a relatively short time. If Obama votes “present” (and you can’t deny this, it’s in the records) on controversial issues that somehow might undermine his quest for the Presidency, then how do we know what he really stands for?
It’s funny that the Republicans and Hilary haters said that she was the “second” or “silent” president of the United States while her husband was in office. But know that she’s running for office, Obama wants to diminish her experience to just “First Lady.”

unlike Bill Clinton who still claims he smoked marijuana but he didn’t inhale (hahahahahhahaha)

Duane,
Let me get this right. The fact that Obama tried cocaine, you say, is a badge of his character. It is that because he was willing to talk about it afterward…yah right.
I don’t think so. Using cocaine is illegal–a crime. Talking about it is talking about it. It doesn’t make the act of snorting cocaine okay. Not at all.

Duane, he might just be fired up about Obama because he wants to pander to one or another population. It’s politics, my friend. Don’t read altruism into this that isn’t there.

I’ll give you that midwest, I’m not that naive. Just noticed the endorsement. Interesting…….Anyway, we will see what happens.

Whit,
So you have to paint it in polarized terms?
Hillary is racist, so Obama can’t be, right? What if they BOTH ARE, my friend?

That’s interesting. He obeys Planned Parenthood to the letter, does he? Who else’s pocket is he in?

Everyone is using some tactics to win. The real questions are 1) who are qualified and 2) who truly care about well being of the Aermican people. I know that Hillary cares about the American people cuz she refused to listen to Democratic heads and did not abandon the people of Michigan. I also know that Hillary is well qualified for the job and deserves it.

I think it’s time Obama stop playing victim of race. This is just what the U.S. does not need, which is a president that always acts a victim of race. He is obviously a rookie and needs more experience in his background before he can have such a high position as president.

It’s too bad the Democrats didn’t come up with a candidate that was both qualified and “clean.”

rockychance,
You and some of the others are exactly right. Hillary doesn’t have enough support to get elected. I wonder if her supporters think they, and they alone, will be able to put her into the WH? They had better think again. The way I see this election is like this:
1)The various groups of voters
Anti-Hillary–these are actually Dems. that don’t like Hillary and they won’t vote for her. They would rather Repub. than vote for Hillary.
2)Indeps.–they don’t want a repeat of the 90′s, are turned off by the very idea of a Political Dynasty, also many of whom don’t like her.
3)Repubs.–well they hate her so no need to discuss them b/c we know she won’t be getting any votes here.
4)Die hard Dems– won’t vote for anyone but a Dem. However, they want the best candidate for the job. They want the best person for the job but don’t think it is Hillary so they advocate for anyone but Hillary. While these votes won’t go to Repubs. these voters nonetheless, could easily be picked up by a third party candidate, if these people are sour at the party for selecting Hillary.
5)Hillary fans and cheerleaders. They want Hillary and will not listen to reason.
So let us examine the above. If Hillary can only be guaranteed the votes from number #5, how in the world will she win the election? Let us suppose she picks up some from number #4, still how can she win the election because she will still be minus a HUGE portion of votes. And if we factor in the fact that Bloomberg will run if she is the nominee, that will take those from #4 and #2. So some votes she could have picked up, she will no longer get. So, again, she is only left with the #5 group. How will she pull out a win? Will some Hillary cheerleader please answer me that?
This election has become very personal it is also turning on principle and character. It appears as if people are turning off to what the Clinton’s represent the more they open their mouths. People already think low of their characters, so it’s really no wonder why she has NO crossover appeal at-all-whatsoever. This election is not doing her any favors or anything for her image, nor is having Bill campaign for her.
The question for Clinton people, and it’s been raised before, is: do you care about getting the WH back or do you only care that Hillary is the nominee?
Seems to me you all have some serious talking and ironing out of the issues. If you can’t come to an agreement on a candidate, a suitable candidate, then people like myself (Mod. Indep.) will just vote with the Repubs. again…..BTW you should probably begin your talking now. This election has become personal and very divisive extremely early thanks to the Clinton’s. Therefore, I don’t see the many factions coming together as easily as before. In fact, I see a repeat of history here. Do you all remember what happened the last time your party split? If not do your homework. The very survival of your party depends on it.
Good-luck,
David

So, David. The Democratic party nominee is anybody but Hillary, right? No matter how poor a choice that might be?
That’s really sad for the American people.

this is a blog slanted toward Hilary campaign. So whoever is writing these comments are working for a specific campaign. Don’t waste your time debating these pundits. Watch out ABC is also leanng toward race baiting. They need raitings. Be careful of what you say. Just say it with your vote!

The true character of anyone can’t be known by his loud speeches. But the small acts specially subconcious ones are the best indicaters of one’s true character.
If Obama is all he is cracked to be, he should have stopped this SHAMELESS personal attack on Hillary without even being prompted. Now even after all the outcry, he is still silent.
Warning signs of a true character in disguise.
Contrasted with Hillary who immediately fired her manager in NH when he had made some mild imappropriate remarks, Obama should not be the viewed as the better and more honest character.

Posted by: midwestlady | Jan 18, 2008 8:10:41 PM
“So, David. The Democratic party nominee is anybody but Hillary, right? No matter how poor a choice that might be? That’s really sad for the American people.”
midwestlady,
I believe most people see HRC as a flawed candidate for a number of reasons….she is also seen as the person who stands the least chance of winning in her party.
Like I said, if the goal is to re-capture the WH then why gamble?
Me, personally, I’m not a risk taker. But you all do whatever you like. It’s your party and the future of your party that is at stake – not mine. Thanks for the response.
G’nite,
David

Can someone explain why the votes count 5 times as more for NV? And, is it true that most of voters in the union are illegal? I heard it from one of the media outlets but can not find more information on the internet.
Thanks,

Hello Everyone,
I have read some of your post and they are funny on so many levels. Obama is a scary picture to some of you because he is a black man who will be running this country. You are so use to seeing black men demonized in the media and by word of mouth…that is scary to see a brother getting some love from a variety of cultures. Lets’ face it…. an intelligent black man in America who is not a coward, is a threat to the insecure folks. Obama is someone who can command the attention of thousands and people listen. Like MLK……..get ready!!!!!!!!

Midwest lady……..You may be rfrom the “Midwest” but you sure don’t sound like a lady to me. Simply declare yourself for who you are and quit hogging the blog for “Lady Hillary”, now that is an oxymoron.

Um, excuse me, murl. I am a lady and I am from the midwest. And I’m not decided as a voter, but I am thinking and you should be too.
YOu should also read farther up the thread, and you would see that I am truly uncommitted at this point because I don’t know who the nominees will be. At that time, I will vote for the person that I see will have the greatest chance of leading the country successfully into the next 4 or 8 years. Period.
It won’t be Obama or Ron Paul or Rudy Guiliani and that’s about all I can say at this point.

Aw! Hildabeast is being attacked again. Wah!!!! Time to roll the horn-dog out for another mission.

Obama is just as qualified as Hillary. Better qualified, if you consider she is nothing more than a pawn to Bill. She does not have one independent thought and is running “On His Record”.

Where and when has Obama been attacked by the other side?
When Hillary questioned Obama’s inconsistencies in his votings, she presented solid facts. Facts can’t be regarded as attacks.
“Shamesless” is a name-calling attack leveled by Obama’s supporters. Obama indulged his supporters and refuse to silence them.
Sad to see passion can supercede reason again this time around.
Good luck, America. Cry, beloved country.

Murl14,
Obama is qualified to run this country as President. George Bush was not but he became president of the USA and still is. Bill Clinton was no saint but he stayed in the White House until his term was over. Barack Obama is the next President of the USA…. get ready!!!!!!!!

Mr. Obama is a brilliant orator who can arouse passion in the people. Mr. Obama shows honesty, character and judgement. He will be a breath of fresh air in the White House and will help to bring much needed cooperation to our government.

The only rule that the Clintons want you to know: the freedom of speech applies to her and not her political opponents.

midwestlady – Certainly he was honest about experimenting with drug use as a teenager – that’s why you’re able to slander him now. Of course, probably 60% or more of Americans have experimented with drugs in their youth, but you won’t let that stand in the way of a good slander, will you? And he was honest at the debate when asked about his greatest weakness. Ms. Clinton, true to form, spewed propaganda instead of actually admitting to having any faults. And since then she has tried to turn his virtue of honesty against him, whacking him over and over as incompetent because he said he wasn’t much for keeping his papers organized. I’d much rather have an honest man than a dishonest woman in the White House.

Clinton for President.

Period, huh? That still doesn’t answer my question.
What did he lead? What does he do besides snort cocaine, talk a pretty line, be a junior senator, and trade in real estate with guys trying to stay out of prison in Chicago?
You have an opinion. Ok, everyone does. But that doesn’t prove one darned thing unless you give specifics. Specifics. Understand?

Hillary’s Campaign Manager, Why dont you cry some more!All Hillary has done is bad mouth Obama and I have yet heard him say really even 1 bad thing About her!If you cant take the heat get out of the kitchen!

It’s a blatantly racist ad from Obama supporters. This isn’t even a subtle message. Obama agreed to stop using the race card in his campaign strategy on national television during the debate on Tuesday (MSNBC). Three days later we see this? You Obama supporters should denounce it instead of making derogatory comments about the other candidates. Your negative responses and Obama’s hypocritical campaign promises are not scoring points going into the election.

Obama’s getting a free ride from the media and anyone with eyes can see that.
On the other hand, maybe they’re holding onto the juicy stuff just in case he gets nominated…. Heh. Pure rating bliss. Yessiree.

It is just Ad. Nothing racial about it. Edward and Clinton need’s to shut-up.
Obama 08.

midwestlady – While you may be clueless about what it took to become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, I am not. And your hatred and spin don’t make you a very effective advocate for Ms. Clinton. If you really believed that your candidate was better, you wouldn’t feel the need to spew so much bile, and for that matter, neither would Ms. Clinton – perhaps you work for her campaign?

Barry,
I’m not an advocate for Mrs. Clinton or anyone else. I’m not decided who I will vote for in this election. I can only tell you it won’t be Guiliani, Paul or Obama as I don’t think any of them are qualified. The rest I don’t know, I’m researching just like everyone else.

Barry
So, does the fact that Obama was the first prez. of Harvard Law review say something about his candidacy now? Do we vote for him because of this qualification? Will you also tell us to vote for Condi Rice if she were to run because she was the first Black woman Provost at Stanford University?

midwestlady – Oh, give me a break.. If you’re trying to feign being a neutral, disinterested party, you wouldn’t post hateful responses about Mr. Obama in a forum for 4 hours, for crying out loud. *lol*

Victoria,
There’s a lot of truth in what you say. It’s complicated as hell. And it obscures thinking in a very slippery way.
When the country’s ready for a black president AND a person comes who’s actually qualified and seen by the American people as qualified, then I think that much of this won’t happen the way we’re seeing it now. Now, it seems as though people are voting for Obama just because he’s black, regardless of the fact that he’s not ready.
I don’t think that’s what we want.
Rather, I think that out there someplace is someone who could be great and is, as a matter of fact, black. But the greatness is more important than the blackness because being president is about greatness more than it is about blackness or whiteness.
That’s the black president that people are looking for. He will look something like Roosevelt–a giant who transcended his own troubles and fears; or he will look like Washington, a man who transcended age and personality; or he will look like Lincoln, who transcended poverty and health.
He won’t look like Obama, who’s not great enough. Obama’s a junior senator, wet behind the ears and an ex-cocaine user who plays in real estate just this side of the law, for pete’s sake.
Nevertheless, I think the press is afraid to press him on the issues and he is getting a free ride from them. That’s wrong. He should be getting the same treatment as they are. When we are really ready for a black president, that’s how it will be.
The great black president won’t need to get a free ride from the press. He will be able to hold his own and compete with all comers on his own merits.

EXCUSE ME BUT, ISN’T ENGLISH OUR LAUNGAGE HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOO. HE’S JUST USING THE SPANISH PEOPLE, HE COULD CARE LESS AS LONG AS HE GETS THEIR VOTES. GO HILLARY!!!!!!

Well, maybe it looks like pro-Clinton spin because you can only see yourself voting for a democrat.
I can see myself voting for the candidate of either party depending on who the final choices for each party are.
I’m an independent and will vote for the one I think can best lead the country. If either party puts up a dud, it’ll make up my mind for me. Obama’s a dud.

The reason Obama should condemn the ads is because he has claimed in the past to want to stop the escalation of racial tension in the party. The whole lawsuit issue is beyond race its a matter of fairness for those who cant cauccus at their work place. Why should one group of voters be accomodated when others cant be? those malicious ads running in Nevada are nothing more than hate mongering at its worst. Obama’s true colors are showing. he is an agitator. he stirs up a whirlwind and then steps back and points the finger at Hillary Clinton. My only hope is that the people voteing see through the fraudulant hypocritical mess that is Obama and vote for Hillary Clinton.

I’d certainly consider voting for Colin Powell. He has earned the respect and gotten the know-how to do this, yes.
Unfortunately, he’s not running.

Seriously, both parties have gotten themselves into a corner, of sorts.
The Democrats are falling all over themselves to be PC, so all they have running is “the first woman president wannabe” or “the first black president wannabe.” Forcing the issue, no?
The Republicans didn’t have anybody in the wings but I don’t know why. So now we have a collection of people who started out from scratch and are so far pretty evenly matched so it’s a horse race over there.
A weird year. The last one like this was, I think, 1952! The great Eisenhower bailed us out of that one, but unfortunately, we have no Eisenhower today.

So, Rob, you are saying that Obama is in there just because a faction of the democratic party can’t stand the Clintons? And incidentally, he can get the black vote out? Is that what you are saying? Is that the appeal? (Because frankly, I don’t get Obama’s draw on people at all. It’s all fake.)

Posted by: midwestlady | Jan 18, 2008 9:11:02 PM
so was Bill un-qualified to be president then? Drugs is drugs. What about little booze? Do you know how many of them would be disqualified?
Oh, and, I suppose you didn’t do anything as a child/teenager? Are pure today? Never made a mistake have you? Ok, so what else have you got on Obama?
Jessie Jackson told me to tell all you Clinton supporters: “keep hope alive”. Ha! That – is going down. Get used to it. Nothing you can do about it.

So, Chris, the fact that lots of people take drugs makes it morally okay? Is that what you are saying?
What about if everyone decided to go on a murder rampage? Would that make it suddenly moral to go on a murder rampage?
Why or why not?

And Chris, I have never taken drugs. There are many of us who haven’t. Fact.

Bill Clinton’s recent angry outbursts, seemingly symbolic of his wife’s campaign gone awry, appear like nothing so much as the scene from the old movie “King Kong”(1933), where the Beast holds a terrified Fay Wray aloft while he roars “Love Me! Love Me!”
Actually the metaphor appears to address several levels of the Clintonian reality, no?
Martin Maryland

Posted by: hallihunt | Jan 18, 2008 9:44:28 PM
We aren’t denouncing anything considered all that she, her friends, staff and her husband have said and done to this guy, are you kidding us?!! Get real.
Now, would probably would do that IF he was paying for the ad, was responsible for it’s creation, etc. However, that is not the case. So you Hillary people just keep crying. Everytime she cries, everytime you all cry, it is another vote against her from FELLOW DEMOCRATS if she does end up the nominee. Poor, poor, poor, poor, Hillary. Give me a break. Half the country hates her and with good reason.
Posted by: Barry | Jan 18, 2008 10:19:18 PM
I agee! She is Pro-Hillary all the way. I don’t know why she just can’t be honest about it. Hillary’s people have some of the same traits as Hillary…and can’t even be honest…anyway I will be so happy when Hillary is defeated either now or in NOVEMBER.

Barry
So, does the fact that Obama was the first prez. of Harvard Law review say something about his candidacy now? Do we vote for him because of this qualification? Will you also tell us to vote for Condi Rice if she were to run because she was the first Black woman Provost at Stanford University?

Oprama: It appears you don’t repect the Caucasian community in any way, shape, or form; what about that particularly large constituency? I personally wouldn’t support your camp if it were the ONLY choice on the ticket. Your biased and “sweet talking” (to certain targeted groups only) campaign has single handedly done more in the last several weeks to inflame racial platitudes in this country than any campaign in recent memory. It seems your campaign loves to start the racial fire, and then blame everyone else; while laughing like a court jester at your own jokes. Some people irrationally believe that is “your genius”, your “secret weapon”. Um, I think not. God help this country if you become the Democratic party representative and then become United States President. If your campaign is any indication of how you will conduct yourself and make measured and calm decisions, many have made a big mistake supporting you. Your campaign is not immune from charges of racial insensitivity. I am making the point just this minute. Your campaign cerainly does not pander nor do you lift a finger for my vote because you don’t think you need it? You might be surprised, Corky. The over fifty crowd will be voting in DROVES; and we have pretty good sense; not prone to irrational and pie-in-the sky emotions to drive our vote. Iowa and New Hampshire? Who cares? They don’t really matter as much as the pundits claim. Those are “stick-your-toe in the water and see how you do” states. It will take more than those two states to get the nomination and election. I am Oprama’ed O-U-T. You have driven me from the Democratic ticket straight to the Republican ticket. Congratulations. I am a Vietnam veteran that has been there, done that, read the book, had the stew.

Well, Kurt. That’s true. I haven’t understood what blacks see in the democratic party for years. The Dems treat them very badly, like a faceless voting bloc, like the dems think they have no choice or no intelligence to make a choice and that’s just wrong.

Posted by: midwestlady | Jan 18, 2008 11:14:55 PM
Ok look at it this way, what if a person defaults on a car loan? what if someone is fired from his job? Should they not be allowed to get another car? Should they never be hired again? After all, only deadbeats neglect to pay their bills on time and only a thug would go and get himself fired right?
Besides the drugs, Hillary supporters or Barack haters have no other arguments. Don’t give me that exper. stuff. There have been many of politicans that have become president with very little exper.
These arguments you all raise over and over and over and over again are boring. Find something else to hit the guy with or pin on him, or just leave him alone. Your candidate is looking worse by the day; and it is these silly incidents that are making her look silly.
Oh and just so you know, I am actually an Edwards supporter. My second choice candidate would be Obama. The recent events surrounding Hillary lately, have just turned me off to her. If I feel that way, imagine how many others are thinking that?
I really think she is sinking herself. Obama, Edwards, the Repubs. no on has to do anything. If given enough time she will sink her own ship. Pathetic describes her campaign.

Chris,
I hate to break your bubble, but if you get fired it will affect getting hired on your next job. It will really affect it if you get fired a lot of times one right after another.
Reality counts. Get on board with it.

Does this mean if Obama gets elected no one can ever use the words “fairy tale” again, or any other words that might suggest he doesn’t know what he’s doing or what he’s talking about or that he might be full of BS, because that might be perceived as racially insensitive?
That’s a serious issue, regardless of Obama’s politics, if political speech is going to be curtailed about something as important as the performance in office of the president of the United States, because someone’s feelings might get hurt.
I’m guessing anything remotely resembling any of the delightful remarks about Bush’s chimpy appearance, intelligence, preparedness for office and performance in the last seven years would pretty much be out with poor old Obama.
Can you imagine four years of an Obama adminstration’s racial slicing and dicing? What a mess. No way.

Oh, Ben, trust me. If he mangles the US Government, which if he gets elected he is sure to do, he’ll be famous for the things people will say about him.
He’ll make us calling Bill Clinton “slick willie” look like love talk.

This is just silly. Obama’s people didn’t do this, an independent group that supports him did it. He can’t apologize for something his organization didn’t do.
And didn’t Hillary’s actual organization put out disparaging remarks about Obama. I don’t recall her apologizing for that, or firing her employee who did it. She is a hypocrite.

Why would Obama condemn an ad that was the result of Clinton’s own doing? Clinton cried foul and tried to spin again the fact that she initiated to block casino workers from caucusing close to work. Her actions angered lots of casino workers who ran the ad to express their anger and exercise their freedom of speech. Hillary is very manipulative and can spin all kinds of facts. Asked about why she stays in her marriage, she touted Bill’s love for her. This is a world-class joke. A normal couple would divorce (look at French president), especially with a stained gap dress dangling in front of the nation. Imagine Clinton was not a first lady. Imagine Bill was her ex now. Could she still have the chance to be the president? This couple feels they could gain more by staying in this loveless political marriage–Hillary wants Bill’s clout to enter White House and Bill is not ready to retire as a president. No matter how Hillary labels herself as a historical progress by running as a female, I regard her as one of those ambitious wives who married to powerful men in the world–their ambitions exceed being merely first ladies–we have Jiangxin in China who married Mao, Ismelda in Philippines who married Marcos and Evita from Argentina. These women all brought disasters to their countries when they vied for power by hook and crook. I would highly regard Mrs. Thatcher, British Prime Minister, as a historical progress because she achieved everything on her own without clinging the coat-tail of a powerful husband. Hillary should not claim to represent female voters. It would be such a mistake to be doped by Hillary into false hope that voting her would translate into some kind of a feminine victory. As a female voter myself, I denounce her tactics and her manipulation of the gendre card. Wake up, America. Someday we will elect a true female president, but definitely not Hillary. At this moment, please elect a leader like Obama, not a cheater/lier like Clinton.

I’m wondering what the percentage of men in the democratic party who refuse to vote for Hillary is….I bet it’s a high percentage after listening to some in here….

If the dems have Hillary who is unacceptable to a large number of dems, and they have Obama who is not suitable for the presidency, then they have a problem.

Midwestlady
It’s not that I am unsure about what would happen with this slicing and dicing game of race. I guess what I what to say is that the country will be in a mess if people will not be allowed the freedom to express their views in case they are said to be this and that. I do agree, and I am very upset that the media continues to give Obama a free ride. He does not get the scrutiny that Hillary gets. It is easier for the media to be sexist than racist even thoguh we know they are racist. On the other hand, it might be a conspiracy to pump up Obama for the republicans to drop him like a hot potato. They all know it is easy to ‘fix’ Obama (ask Karl Rove) in a second than they would with Hillary!

Vee,
I agree that people have to be able to express their views. This is America, after all. And I think that people are not going to stop thinking and saying what they think in the end, even if they are bad-mouthed for it. This is big presidential politics and people in the street know that, even if the media wants to play parlor games. Electing a president is, and should be, bigger than all the PC-garbage.
I do think you are right in saying that it’s easier for the media to express sexism than racism. I think that’s the case for Americans in general.
And I agree with you that Obama’s being give a free ride as a result.
I’m not sure the republicans have the power to influence the process to the degree that they can set Obama up. I thoroughly doubt it. I think if that happens it will be the media doing it because they can’t miss a good story that sells airtime.
The press is liberal left to the hilt, but it doesn’t get in the way of a good story as we all know. Money is money.

Yeah, right Jermin. His daddy was a muslim, you know that?

Also, there’s “experience” and then there’s “experience.”
If I were to need a surgeon, I wouldn’t want a 90-year old one with one bad eye…but even that would be better than one who’d never been to medical school and couldn’t count!
So perhaps what we don’t want is a presidential candidate who’s worked in Washington forever. But neither do we want one with little to no experience in foreign affairs!
Some experience–the right amount–is good.

How come women are not in such serois defnece of their gender as it is the case with minority ethnic/racial groups?
The media express sexism with such gusto every day and little or nothing is said?

I guess I am getting tired….and making many typos..I apologize
My questions is:
How come women do not seem to be in such serious defence of their gender or read sexism…..

Midwestlady
Is this to say that it is internalized/ normalized as the order to the day? How wonderful it would be if any of the male candidates were to denounce sexism! Its not a surprise that Mcain’s response to the woman who used the B word was a big laugh..pathetic!

I didn’t see that one, Vee. But sexism is pretty widespread. I think there may be quite a few men who are for Obama because:
a) they don’t want a woman president on visceral grounds,
b) they don’t want hillary

Well, Twigster, maybe the dems called it wrong then in trying to force either a woman president or a black president, your choice.
Maybe they should not have dived in with both feet and their whole butt, trying to force people into these extreme stances then. They *had* to know Hillary would get a reaction from somebody…

At this point I am not just thinking about Hillary alone. In my view, every single sexist comment made towards her demeans all women, it is pointed at womenn not just HRC.

Actually, and not to defend Obama but rather to be accurate, I think Obama lived in Indonesia for 4 years–from the ages of 6 to 10 years old. Indonesia is actually the largest muslim country on earth.
I’m not sure what his homelife or school life was like but his stepfather was also a muslim who did attend the mosque there. He was raised in a Muslim household at least for that period of time because that’s how the society there is structured if you have a muslim father (or stepfather).

I’m a republican but I voted for Hillary in New Hampshire after she cried…although I knew it was fake. But to see her playing good cop/bad cop with Bill is really sad to see. Obama on the other hand cannot play “mister nice” guy forever- We americans are stupid enough to believe what these politicians have to say – They are all bunch of liars & the worst ones are the ones using the name of the lord Jesus to win voters- Thanks but no Thanks, I’ll take my chances with the new kid on the block.

That makes it okay, Twigster?

Well, midwestlady, I did some crazy things as a teenager-dropped out of school but now I’m getting a Ph.D. If he were doing it last week or last year, yes, I would have a problem with it. But if you learn from your mistakes and go on to do good things, then I applaud you.
Should we be faulting Hillary for stumping for Goldwater as a teenager, a congressman who was one of very few republicans who opposed the civil rights act? Don’t we applaud her for doing civil rights work after college and forward?

Kristine, you must think being president is like being a disc jockey. That’s ridiculous.

Today in Nevada (you say Ne-vah-dah; I say Ne-vad-ah), you mean?

We need Obama for president to heal our nation and the entire world.
Thank you!

Why discuss his politics beyond the obvious, he’s pro-amnesty, taxaholic socialist with whack-o stupid ideas about national security like “bomb Pakistan” He’ll legalize 40 million immigrants and overnight demolish the black demographic. He can’t even stand up to Hillary Clinton, he’d never be able to take on real world leaders like a Vladimir Putin. He’s manipulatable due to his mentaljob past and serious drug use. He’s conflicted, he’s not suited for the White House.

Isn’t it amazing! In one of her speeches Hillary said: “If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.” I say keep the ad running. If Hillary was putting out an ad like that, she sure would keep it going.Her ads are nasty too. Hillary and Billy have always felt they could do what they want but nobody else can.Isn’t it a shame that she has to call people to endorse her! They are both selfish, self-centered, and they are on such an ego trip! They truly think they can do anything they want to people and no one should retaliate. I’m female but this country is not ready for the likes of Hillary. We need someone strong and decisive, not someone that is going to starting wailing and hope that people will sympathize with her. I do not have one iota of sympathy for her. She stayed with Billy simply because of politics. She felt he could get her elected. Well, they both are a piece of work! I want someone that is honest, and not trying to further their own gains which is what the CLinton Machine is all about. Go Obama! Go Packers!

Obama coming out of the woodwork.Wat happened to “I run a vlean camapign” and “their attacks are depressing” and “they are running against hope”.Obama finds it convenient to go on the attack as when he was behind Hillary in early Decmber and when he is behind Hillar in Nevada. But, when he is on te losing side he uses surrogates to pull out the africa american and ow atino card to suit his convenience.When it comes to race my friend you have along way to catch with the history of the Clintons. Shame on you Barack, you make me deprssed now. LOL

So Mr.Obama now says that it is the republican party which has been the party of ideas and invokes the name of Ronald Reagan, while letting down the only democratic president in the last 30 years, Bill Clinton. Whither thou Mr Obama? Are you crediting GWB as the president with ideas too? What do you really stand for Senator? I have to admit the the mention of Reagan brings back nostalgia to me as I am an independent who cast my first two votes for Reagan, before switching to Clinton for the next two terms.

Action speaks louder than words! Hillary did not abandon the people of Michigan no matter what democratic heads told her. The other candidates did. Regardless of what they were told, they should have never abandoned the people of Michigan!!! They don’t know enough and don’t care enough to lead this country.

It’s a bit hypocritical of Clinton to demamnd that these radio/tv ads directed at the Latino community be condemned by Obama and ended. I can name about a dozen underhanded tricks that Hillary or her surrogates have pulled since Thanksgiving against Obama.
Hillary is the “Queen” of the “down and dirty” smears, lies, innuendos, and tricks. So She doesn’t have any room to complain.

Bill Clinton’s recent angry outbursts, seemingly symbolic of his wife’s campaign gone awry, seem eerily like the scene from the old movie “King Kong”(1933), where the beast holds a terrified Fay Wray aloft while he roars “Love Me! Love Me!”
Actually the metaphor appears to address several levels of the Clintonian reality, no?
Martin,
Maryland

Twigster,
They’re just trying to suck up to Republicans so they can get votes. It’a all malarkey.
If we really were to take them serious when they say that the Republicans had teh best ideas for the last 10-15 years, then why the hell would we vote democrat?

Hi Old n Folks,
What had happened so far with accusation and counterrt accussation, is just a typical example of Freedom of Expression, my question is how resonable.
My advise, is that Enough is Enough, and get Reoasonable and do the right thing for Amerioca New World where Reasonability prevails over Petty Accusations of any type.
The court of the land had previled over Human Suppression by one of the candidate who believed she has the right to stop The voice of Reason.
This has got nothing to do with Race, Cocain or what ever. Then why do you engage on cheap talk and unnecessary Blackfemmings of able personality of Obama.
Enough is Enough, He has no hand in Raciscm, No hab=nd In her contestant stumbling over fellow Democrat supporters. She is being too desperate, but she and her Status Quo followers will not on their own win the Democratic nominee without the support of the Grass Roots who she now tends to reduce their presntation. If she decides or her campaigner so decided to bring her down by only the results of their own acts, so the case shall be as all of us are watching as more unguided acts and utterances ubfold.
Be guided and remain calm Primary Election is not about giving banters =, it is all about being reasonble and not to be over Desperado.
Long Life America Democrat, Long Life the Independent and the Converted Republican

As Las Vegas becomes the New Chicago. Vote at work; vote early; vote often; vote dead; vote illegally. It’s all the same to some people.

Now think about this, In Iowa the unions were for Clinton. The Labor Unions in Iowa were running attack adds against Obama. If it is so wrong now, Why was it okay for The Labor Unions to attack Obama in Iowa infavor of Clinton?
About cocaine use, It’s okay for Republicans to have a Republican President GWBUSH JR. who had a history of COCAINE use. And when I say history, I mean he was caught several times by Police (when he was in college), Military (when he was a pilot), and his father’s security (when his father was govenor). But Obama tried it, not a regular user like Bush was.

Angel,
I don’t get into union politics. I consider than pandering to special interests.
Cocaine use is NEVER the right thing to do. We should call it out whenever we see it. It’s a failure of character, an illegal act and highly immoral *EVERY SINGLE TIME*. (PS I didn’t vote for slick willie either because I saw it coming.)

These people don’t represent me! What the hell is going on??

Rob,
Then we should all be able to caucus and vote for the primaries at work. Let’s be fair.

I think that it’s not between clinton and obama on this one. I think there’s a bigger issue.
I think it’s about dems hoping to bribe the hispanic vote–that’s what I think. And I don’t think it’s fair either way.
And I think it’s probably corrupt too. I hope they keep an eye on Nevada during the general elections and require legit IDs because I think Las Vegas is going to make Daley’s chicago look like a kids’ birthday party.

Obama has touted himself as the candidate of “change”. I’m not seeing him as any different than any of the rest of the career polititians. Regardless, he is still not ready for prime-time, but he is all caught up in his own hype. All fluff but no substance, like a marshmallow.

AS,
Because it doesn’t fit into their “hyped up story”?
The press builds these story lines and shoves them down our throats, you know.

Hillary, desperate to neutralize Obama, has just been trying to co-opt his strengths by copying anywhere he has success – (1) Obama speaks as the candidate of change and it resonates with voters – she calls herself the agent of change (2) Obama supporters chant in their ebullient rallies – Hillary copies their chants (3) Obama scores big support with young voters, evidenced by their appearence at his rallies – Hillary selects young people to be placed into the crowd behind her to make it *appear* she has the youth vote (4) Obama is passionate and has ideals – Hillary at the debate says yeah well we all are passionate and have ideals (5) Obama comes up with a plan for economic stimulus – Hillary copies the plan… it’s a political strategy called co-opting, and it basically means stealing the strengths of your opponent if you can’t come up with things yourself.

Hillary was a republican in College, before she later became a democrat. In fact she was a ‘Goldwater Girl’ at that. Now, check out what Barry Goldwater’s position was when he was running for president. It is interesting to examine his views on ‘minorities’.
How come the press does not mention this fact?

midwestlady – name calling doesn’t make you any more correct. And if the Clinton campaign’s claim that Obama doesn’t know what he is doing *acutally* was true, they wouldn’t need to copy him, and in fact, they wouldn’t even be worried about him. And as far as your tactics to try to scare voters into believing that there will be widespread muslim violence here if Mr. Obama is elected – I am not sure whether it’s more ludicrous or low to use these kinds of scare tactics, but you at least could come up with some delusions more plausible than that. Heck even Dick Cheney’s dirty trick was to say vote for us or the muslims will blow you up. You’re using the same line, but with even a more rediculous explanation.

I don’t what qualifies a person for president, I always thought Buddy Roe would have made a good president. He sure seemed to know more than all the candidates put together about the peoples needs. I have not heard one democrat or republican say what they plan on doing for the average American. Other than raise our tax’s make sure those who don’t want health insurance have it and force socilism down our troughs. They can all go to H___. Find a person who stands for the people and then call Americans

I’m confused what is negative about the Culinary Union’s message. What is wrong with the message? They are simply saying that Obama is a uniter. There’s no mudslinging at any of the other candidates. It’s a praise Obama ad. How is that negative?

And now that the tables are turned they want Obama to kiss their butt. Clinton is the one who tried to disenfranchise the voters not Obama, and Edwards remained silent when his 527 groups attacked Obama all the way. So they can throw all the dirt they want, huh? I don’t think so. They need to think twice before they act.

I understand that Obama’s campaign is not resposible for these ads. But he or his managers should try to talk to the people who are responsible for these ads to see if they would make changes. Or at least make an announcement that he did not give his approval of them.

With his two whopping years of federal experience (most of which he has simply spent posturing and campaigning for the presidency), Obama’s foreign relations experience includes…well, nothing except regular long distance telephone calls to talk with his relatives in Kenya (that’s “foreign relations,” right?).
Sure, Winnie the Poohbama is qualified to become the most powerful leader in the world during these especially challenging times. LOL

People should realize Obama is a two face candidate. He is giving the impression that he is the good guy.But his ads are very vicious and that is not what we need right now.I am very disappointed.I voted for him in Iowa but not anymore.

With Clinton and Obama fighting like cats, and the Republican party seemingly shattered into a thousand pieces, I am wondering if any true leader will make it to the White House.

So any white person who supports a white candidate is drawn to them by race? I would not think so. A bit of history for some of you. I live in Maryland. In the 90s, black citizens in Baltimore and Prince George’s county – most populous jurisdictions – voted overwhelmingly for white Barbara Mikulski over black Alan Keyes in the senate race. Blacks did it again in ’06 when they voted overwhelmingly for white and Jewish Ben cardin over black Lt Governor Michael Steele. In Ohio in ’06, blacks in Cleveland voted overwhelmingly for Strickland the white gubernatorial candidate over the black guy – I forget his name. I hope you get the point.