More Friends Weigh In
More African-American friends weigh in on the Obama-Clinton contretemps on race.
Friend #3 writes:
"The Clinton/Obama ‘MLK’ saga is interesting to me on many levels.
"The largest impression it’s having on me is that a campaign that had been largely absent of talk about race has now been flooded with the presence of it. Before the debate about Hilary Clinton’s comments comparing Barack Obama to Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., it was difficult to know a black man was running for president. There had been very little mention. Imagine if the reverse had happened. If the spotlight was placed by Obama on the fact that Hilary Clinton was a woman.
"Through all of the comments the last few weeks, it’s clear, something kind of bizarre is happening. The Clintons appear to be trying to out-’black’ Obama. And for a little while, it appeared to work. After all, Obama was never concerned with reaching out in a large way to the "black leaders’ who are well known but whose utility is increasingly becoming questionable because of how diverse the black population in this country has become.
"So consequentially, many ‘black leaders’ and media figures came out early in support of Hilary Clinton’s campaign. However, it was during the time that the comments were made comparing Obama’s message of change to those of Dr. King’s, in a way that seemed to down play their significance during a critical time in history, that those same leaders began to reconsider their support.
"So-called ‘black leaders’ are now split in their views of the comments about the former civil rights leader’s vision and how it sparked legislative action by a president. Hillary Clinton appeared to be making a distinction about the difference between having a vision and actually carrying one out.
"But you face a bit of trouble whenever you try to downplay anything Martin Luther King Jr. has done, whether you’re black or white. And for Obama, he’s been drawn into what has to be an uncomfortable fight that he didn’t necessarily ask for.
"Bill Clinton’s effort to reach out to ‘black radio’ hosts is an admission that maybe his comments about Obama were taken too far. Could the beloved former president be in trouble with black voters? One has to wonder now.
"Or as I’ve wondered, is this all a political strategy to reintroduce race into a campaign that has been amazingly devoid of much mention of the fact that Barack Obama is indeed a black man running for president in America. Even if that’s not the case, perception of such will be difficult to avoid.
"Lately we’ve heard from a lot of surrogates on the issue. Clinton and Obama have determined that this debate can do more damage than good to their campaigns and backed off. The surrogates and ‘black leaders’ seem to be enjoying another issue that makes them relevant.
"Overall, voters will have to decide what they believe in. From my perspective, the Clintons crossed a line and they’re quickly trying to run back behind it. And Obama’s defense of himself is understandable. That defense, however, drew a label from the Clinton camp; he’s trying to play the race card.
"What’s so amazing about that label is race has been such a small issue in a campaign where it could have been a much bigger deal. The Clintons have nothing to gain and everything to lose in this debate. Obama is also at risk at getting drawn in to a nasty fray.
"Voters seem to be enjoying a race and gender neutral campaign. Silently, the progress of the very notion that Clinton and Obama could be the front runners in a presidential campaign, seemed to be an exciting thing for Americans. The large turnouts in primaries are evidence.
"A message excites people and they don’t mind who delivers it. Surely many whites supported and loved the messages of Dr. King along with blacks and those of other races.
"And it was the optimism and excitement that messages bring which was recently attacked. And with such poor timing, as the nation prepares to celebrate the birth of the late civil right’s leader. Thus meaning, the debate will not soon dissolve.
"The latest squabble seems to have put that racial impasse away. And that’s a shame because so far we haven’t had much focus on the fact that Hilary Clinton is a woman either…at least not yet.
"Maybe now, we’re back to politics as usual."
Friend #4 –
"I am so tired of the race issue. The media is making way too much out of it all. The media is keeping the conversation going … Both candidates’ campaigns should stop feeding into the discussion. It shouldn’t be what this race is about it is a distraction and everyone looks bad … it should be just the facts."
- jpt
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Why is the media still playing this out?
Posted by: truthshotta | January 15, 2008, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm
The media should be discussing the candidates previous and current positions on the Iraq war and their stance on the economy.
I find it interesting that when Republicans request 100 Billion for war its fine. But when Obama and Hillary request 100 Billion to help Americans its called waste. Do Republicans feel Iraqis are worth more than Americans??? Amazing.
Posted by: Wayne | January 15, 2008, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm
Wayne, it’s not as simple as you make it sound. The Battle of Iraq is an attempt to secure a democratic foothold in the Middle East. The ultimate goal is for Iraq to become a successful democracy with a thriving economy. And then become a role model for Iraq’s neighbors. The spreading of democracy in the Middle East is key towards defeating those who want to destroy Western Civilization. The other key is solving the Israeli-Palestinian problem. The establishment of a free democratic state of Palestine would be a huge step towards that solution. If successful (there are by no means any guarantees), then our national security and the security of every nation will benefit greatly.
Now what Sen. Obama, Sen. Clinton and the Liberals want to do is literally “change” our profit based health care sytem to a taxpayer funded, all-encompassing, womb-to-tomb, government controlled universal health care system. Once the federal government has control of the health care system, then they will determine what lifestyle is best for all Americans. They won’t suggest, but instead they will mandate what we can or cannot eat and drink in order to be healthier (this is already being tried, in a limited way, in some schools); what products we can or cannot purchase in order for us to be more energy efficient (bills are already being considered in some states); and even what medical procedures can, cannot and even must be performed. And ultimately abortions will become mandatory in order to limit over population; and euthanasia will become common place in order to rid society of difficult and costly patients.
Posted by: James Danley | January 15, 2008, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm
So let me get this straight:
Clinton sticks her foot in her mouth.
The American people take notice of that said foot implanted in her mouth.
Clinton, speaking muffled through said foot in mouth, blames Obama for putting her foot in her mouth.
Yup, That about sums it up.
Everything else is just BUNK.
Posted by: PulSamsara | January 15, 2008, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm
First of all I wish that Hilary and Obama would just kiss and make up. Enought of the trash talk. Honostly together I think they would make a great pair in office.
Second,responding to James and his comment on force feeding children in schools and changing their diets. Are you trying to say that they have a choice now? Especially those that rely on free and reduced lunch. Becuase I dont think fast food or fast food is really a choice. Kids should be offered a more healthy choice. If I am not mistaken, most schools rely heavily on the cheap fast food solution like McDonalds and Pizza Hut rather than a balanced meal. The junk food phenomemnon in itself is another issue.
Posted by: Kristi | January 15, 2008, 8:50 pm 8:50 pm
Sorry, friend #3 and friend #4—neither of yoiu fully get it, because you still give the Clintons credit for actually believing in racial equality at all costs, and at all times. They are not racists, but they are, before your eyes, injecting race into this campaign to pick up some white biggot votes. Yes, the campaign was devoid of race or gender before Bill and Hillary opened their big (not racist, but) cold, calculating, self-centered mouths. They did it–the media picked up on it and talked about it–the rest of us talked about it–and BUBBA started to really think about voting for a black guy. All according to a despicable Clinton plan.
Posted by: SteveW | January 15, 2008, 9:34 pm 9:34 pm
Whether its Harvard By Way Of Hawaii or Hillary By Alabama.Vice Presidents and Soul Mates are not The reason We Vote. I Expect Clarity,Resilience and levitation Beyond Mortal Encumbrance. It May Not Be Royalty But There has to Be More To Democratic Aspirations Than an Alumnus From Wellesley In a Huff About How to Get to the Harvard Mixer.
Posted by: DJ SanDiego | January 16, 2008, 2:22 am 2:22 am
america is in deep trouble, the economy is in recession, the image outside is so bad- our country needs a leader that can redeem what this administration has done- this is the time that we should worry about the future of this country and the future of our children- i miss the day during the clinton time that america was so proud of in terms of economy and its influence among its allies- i like obama but i hope he will just be the second man- he needs experience and america can wait
Posted by: mariaevelyn | January 16, 2008, 6:42 am 6:42 am
We have a chance to vote a President, that would make us Americans as one, taking away the Democrat/republican, Black/White thing that is going on. The truth is, any Democrat would make the country an economically better place to be in. Lets make History and not give the Republicans to have a reason to vote against a Democratic president. Even Hilary wouldn’t deny that the republicans and Independents wont vote for her.
Lets make history and Vote Obama
Posted by: Daniel | January 17, 2008, 12:43 am 12:43 am
ohh, sucks to be me. i tried to post an opinion that failed. well here goes: i’m a republican. however i’m changing my mind. don’t get scared guys or maybe you should. i have a question for miss hillary to ask her
oponiants “i’m a born and raised american. my grandfather went thru pearl harber. i was in New York for 911. business trip, lost lots of friends in both. Lot of anger, lot of hostitality, two wars. two generations. and you know what is so saddd, i get stuff in the mail about helping a kid i a different country which is fine, but never once have i been contacted to help one of my own one here in Los angeles.. and just an FYI, in southern california, there is no majoity or minority. ….welll, my dogs got fussy so had to go away for a bit. anyways, I WANT OUR PEOPLE TAKEN CARE OF FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DEAR MISS HILARY, ONCE AGAIN I’M NOT DEMOCRAT, BUT I AM IN FAVOR OF YOUR WAY OF THINKING. NOT, THAT YOU EVEN HAVE TO THINK OF CALIFORNIA, BEING A DEMOCRAT STATE, HOWEVER SEND ME A REPLY WHEN YOU WILL BE HERE.
PAULINE
Posted by: PAULINE EYRE | January 17, 2008, 4:03 am 4:03 am
Give them hell Hilary. I’ve watched 2 debates and I’m sick and tired of listening to Obama and Edwards butting in everytime she tries to get her point across, why don’t they just shut their mouths and let her answer the question’s before they gang up on her. You don’t hear them tearing each other apart like they do to her – Grow up guy’s or are you afraid a lady might get some good point’s across to the American people???
Posted by: Margaret Dunlap | January 17, 2008, 8:47 am 8:47 am
Hilary did great in the debate. However please lose the cheap looking jewelry you had on (as well as on the cover of Newsweek). I know it’s unpresidental to wear expensive jewelry, so how about something more hip and trendy. I’m a 50 year old career woman and think you might want to appear a bit more “hip” for us baby boomers. Since I’m in sales I think a skirt would of been a better choice than pants. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a picture of Margaret Thatcher in pants.
Looking forward to voting for you!
Posted by: Donna Herman | January 17, 2008, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
That “iron my shirt” moment was planned by the clinton campaign. Their polling suggested that they were losing women so they had a plan to get them back.
How come the media is not interviewing that guy?
It will reveal her contrived manipulations.
Although a contrived manipulator may be just what this country needs??
Posted by: adam | January 19, 2008, 11:42 am 11:42 am
I take back what i say about, its Obama who is wrong. I been in 911. Both my parents died. They were in the building. I was lucky. I was in the building also as a little kid. I was looking outside and quote on quote decided to explore the world. I had no idea what i was doing. I went outside. I was afraid then and decided to go back in to my mom and dad. But I saw a shiny penny on the ground. I ran down the block to get it. I picked up the penny and the ground shock dangerously. When I looked up there the building was falling. An police officer took me to safety to find out 2 hours later that my parent died. It was horrible. Live lived with my aunt. All I ask for is for hillary to do her best!
Posted by: Philip | January 23, 2008, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm