Rove on Clinton: She ‘Barely Beat Nobody Else’

The absolute negative opinions amaze me. It seems as though “common sense” has bee kiddnapped. I am a Clinton supporter, but would have been uncommitted. It’s time we had a smart concerned lady as a leader. So people quit being jerks.

I think that poll makes sense. 55% for a Clinton and %45 for anyone but a Clinton. Sounds like it was mostly a Clinton lover turnout anyway. I mean, if you were for Obama, but couldn’t vote for him, you probably wouldn’t go out to actually vote for “nobody”. The fact that she had a hard time beating no one is awesome!

The “anybody but Clinton” candidate got 40% because they were more honest and more trusted than Hillary; and this was really nobody and they got 40%. Or should I say “Billary” since both Bill and Hillary are running;

Also if you remember 2000, George Bush actually didn’t win. ABC should really reflect on what it puts out there. It’s like they are doing someone’s dirty work.

I wouldn’t read anything into the results. When the election a one-horse race with a one-trick pony, why turn out to further a foregone conclusion? Better to keep your options open before committing to the only name on the ballot.

The Mich. vote does show that 40% would vote for anybody instead of the status quo candidate.
Obviously it reveals a motivation within our party to head out to the booth to vote “no to Clinton.”

And yes, Rove should spend the remainer of his life in a box.

Who cares what Rove thinks. Look what his candidate has done to our economy! And Hillary Clinton will clean up the mess that Bush, Rove and Cheney will leave this country with.
HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT!!! … there is no other choice!!

Please, Rove’s stream of BS could only be gobbled up by delusional republican zealots. All of this means nothing. Rove is trying to create divisions among the democrats to further his dream of seeing the republican party lead America to ruin. Clinton did receive 55% of the vote, the best republican got what, 37%? 55% should be about Clinton’s margin in the general election in November. Guess Rove is grasping at straws to stir up negativity among the democrats.

I am a democrat but I’d rather vote for Britney Spears before I vote for Hillary

Shut the hell up, Carl, and sit down. You are the architect of the most corrupt presidency in history. There may still be a jail cell waiting for you. We just have to wait until we get the First Criminal out of the way.

The Repubs are dying for Obama to get the nomination. They can easily take out the lightweight state senator (I discount his whopping two years of U.S. Senate experience because all he has done is posture and campaign for the presidency since being elected to the senate.)
Clinton — and the women of America — are what they are most concerned about going up against.
Rove, Hannity and many other conservatives are doing their part to degrade her and get Winnie the Poohbama the nomination.

Karl wouldn’t be opening his big fat mouth unless he knew Clinton could beat the future nominating republican canidate. Stay on task Karl
goooooooo awayyyyyyyyyy stay retired.
go climb under a rock.

Joyce: what “experience” does Hillary have? Sleeping with Bill isn’t really an “experience” to brag about (especially since many other woman have done that). Should we let Brett Favre’s wife play this Sunday’s game too??

WHO CARES WHAT ROVE SAYS? ROVE IS A BUSH PERSON!!!

Clinton supporters must surely be haplessly naive as these result indicate, regardless of how tehy try to spin it! A case in point: I’m an older social conservative Republican who isn’t thrilled with our current batch of GOP candidates (in part, because of their personal lives) and actually find Obama honorable, and very inspiring. I may not agree with a lot of his policy but I think he would be good for the U.S.–he is the kind of candidate we need to take all of us in a new cross party direction. What we definitely don’t need is Hillary! She is simply too polarizing and I think her supporters massively underestimate just the amount of visceral anti-Clinton sentiment there is in the population, even among many independents nad some other former “Reagan-Democrats.” If Obama is nominated, however, many of us conservatives are willing to give him a chance but if it’s Hillary, we’ll vote for whoever the candidate is on the GOP side even if it’s someone like McCain who, personally, I can’t stand due to his immigration amnesty stance and such! I also don’t think they realize just how many evangelical conservative Repubs like myself and my wife who are very seriously considering Obama. I can count at least 6 friends of ours who are politically like us, but respect and like Obama (and Michelle). He is a good man, honest, and has personal integrity and (surprising for polticians) faithfulness to his spouse, regardless. Many of us will indeed consider him. We simply do not wish to revisit the 90′s and elect someone who relishes such division and spin as the Clintons. Personally, I think the Dems would be nuts to nominate Clinton (don’t they get it?!)–there would be a huge electoral backlash and you guys will end up losing an election that is, unfortunately, all your’s to win!

It is not reasonably proven that Rove did anything wrong here, as with half of the conspiracy minded accusations against Bush and Cheney. Go ahead and live in your fantasy. Man, are you judgemental! I read this to my teens, and they were embarrassed by your clear “youth!”

Hillary is the best person. Please look at her platforms, her plans as president. That is the most important. She is the only person who can deliver. Obama is a talker however eloquent he is.

Dennis, I am completely with you on this. Obama gets the nomination and I, as an independent, vote for him or at least don’t vote for the Republican in all likelihood. Hillary is the nominee, and I am another that will be voting Republican or Bloomberg if he runs, rather than for Hillary. I cannot fathom what the Dems cannot “get” in this. Obama would be a shoo in unless there is a lot more racism out there then I perceive. Hillary will get a backlash, and it has nothing to do with gender as far as I am concerned.
By the way Clinton backers, I am still waiting for someone to respond to my earlier post which I see no one is willing to take up the challenge to touch. Just exactly what is a Black-Brown issue that Hillary wanted to repeat constantly last night in the debate. Does anyone have the guts to explain that remark?

I would rather listen to a guy who has intimate knowledge of the clintons like Dick Morris than a Traitor like karl rove!
Clinton:The Inauthentic Candidate

Yeah, I noticed that too. What does that mean, a black/brown debate? At best it was a foolish thing to say for a presidential candidate>
Hillary supporters: this election is too important for you to lose it for us! Obama would win easily; Hillary might win/might lose. I’m not willing to take that chance. Think about NOVEMBER!
OBAMA’08

Just think about this. Why do you think the republicans and C.Rove attack Hillary? It is because they know that SHE IS A STRONG CANDIDATE.

I am Rep and I actually feel sorry for the Dems b/c if they elect Clinton she will be crushed by the Reps come election night. I think the only person with a shot it Obama.

I always though that if you have more than 50% of the votes is majority? Since when is being ahead by 10% and 90,000 people is barley winning an election. Looks like somebody is a sore loser….:(

Pham,
“No substance?” “Fear?” OK, go ahead and discount many voters like myself. I’m jsut trying to give an inside look from the otehr side, from my experience. You can call it what you like but I think it’s worth noting. We really don’t want to see more acidic rhetoric from the Clinotons as they rise up in their party only to then very possibly lose it all. Can you imaigne the political discussion and arguing in our country afterwards? It’s gong to be more divided than ever. We need to move on from the 90′s.

Ken
600,000 people is a LOT of people. I think that’s pretty apparent.

Just gotta say I enjoy watching Hillary own up on everyone in the debates. Obama just squirms every time she goes after him.
People are just in love with the sound of Barack’s voice anyway. Why don’t we elect Tony Blair instead – he’s SOOO Eloquent; oh, and that accent – How COOOOL. :^P

LOL…oh Karl…you’re 15 minutes were up loooooooooooooooong ago…don’t go away mad…just go away…

Dear Karl Rove: If the Election were held today, NOBODY ELSE would easily BEAT George. W. Bush!!

Hasn’t this country had enough of sardonic opportunists like Karl Rove? Rove is a poster child for “today’s irrelevancy”.

Ryan, has it ever occurred to you that Rove’s quote may very well have a typo in there? I see it all the time when reading abcnews.com! So, don’t be so quick to outright condemn. It doesn’t make you look very smart.

Sure, Hillary has experience… what exactly has she done in the Senate since she’s been there? What votes has she actually participated in? Nothing substantial, nothing meaningful. And consider the experience she actually has – being co-president with Bill. Remember her famous remark about “we’ve only been president for [some number of] days”? I’m a Republican myself, and the only reason I would vote Republican this year is if Hillary is the Democratic candidate. She is a disaster-in-waiting.

Brent, it’s too bad Rove is still relevant. Not only does Rove live on in the current administration’s corrupt and deceptive ways, but he lives on through the politics of division and disillusionment to keep ordinary people sickened with politics in order to resist change.
Hillary Clinton is a part of this politics of resistance. The only experience she represents is the roadblocks to meaningful change; the politics of taking turns; the quest to regain power; the resumption of old alliances. All to the exclusion of ordinary people taking back the government.

I hate to agree with the analogy of Karl Rove, but he may have a point…
Let’s see: Bill and Hillary Clinton used “code” racial words, such as fairy tale, role of the dice, drug dealer, etc…and thought they would go uncheck by the African Americans voters. SHAME ON THEM!!! HOW DIVISIVE, NEGATIVE AND SLIMY CAN YOU BE AGAINST THE CORE CONSTIUENTS YOU ACTUALLY NEED TO GET IN THE WHITE HOUSE ONCE AGAIN! REMEMBER MONICA LEWISKNY? NOW, AS FOR THE BLACK VOTERS NEEDING THEM – I SAY HELL TO THE N-O! THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY NEEDS EVERYONE TO GET IN OFFICE. THAT’S WHY SENATOR OBAMA WILL BE THE BEST PRESIDENT TO BRING ALL PEOPLE TOGETHER! THE STAUS QUO IS SO AFRAID OF CHANGE, THEY’RE WILLING TO USE SAME “OLD” POLITICS TO DIVIDE AND CONQUER IN A RACE FOR THEIR OWN GAIN! UNFORTUANTELY, IF HILLARY CLINTON IS THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE, SHE WILL FIND SOME VOTERS WILL BE VOTING FOR THE REPUBLICANS. AND WHAT A CHANGE THAT WILL BE!
NOTE: THE HIDDEN AGENDA OF MOST OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS: IF WE CAN NO LONGER DEPEND ON THE AFRICAN AMERICAN VOTES, THE NEXT GROUP AT OUR ADVANTAGE WOULD BE THE HISPANIC/LATINO VOTERS. THAT’S WHY THEY’RE PUSHING FOR DRIVER LICENSES REGARDLESS OF YOUR CITIZENSHIP STATUS IN NEW YORK!

Hillary keeps touting her 35 years of experience . . . please?!?!? I wouldn’t count 8 years as First Lady experience.
Obama actually has a longer record in elected office than Clinton does, as a second-term New York senator.
“Obama was a community organizer and led a voter-registration effort in Chicago that added tens of thousands of people to the rolls. He was a civil rights attorney and taught at one of the nation’s premier universities. He helped pass complicated measures in the Illinois legislature on the death penalty, racial profiling, health care and more. In Washington, he has worked with Republicans on nuclear proliferation, government waste and global warming, amassing a record that speaks to a fast start while lacking the heft of years of service.”

no matter what Rove says, ALL candidates supporters voted against her at the same time and they lost by 15%. They were told to come out and show an Anti-vote against Hillary and all of them put together couldn’t muster 50%? THAT is pathetic. THAT is NOT huge support. You would think Obama would have about 35% and Edwards 28% and anyone else 2%. That means it should have been something like this:
Clinton 35%
Everyone Else 65%
you can’t spin that. They all tried to vote against her and couldn’t even gain a majority. You can try to bend that anyway you want. Together, separate, in conjunction, in spirit, whatever, 4 people couldn’t beat one who didn’t campaign and didn’t tell her supporters to vote. I mean she had enough votes in a fake primary to come within 9,000 of beating Rommney in his birth state. Munch on that folks. Fake vote and still almost beats the Mitt.

Response about why hillary referred to the black brown issue: One of the sponsers of the debate are the Hispanic group who used these words coming together with the black sponsers ..a sort of alliance stating they both have the same concerns

New Hampshire was used!

Democrats, just remember that Karl Rove has been advising Obama throughout this campaign on how to beat Hillary. He is just setting up his party to run against someone they can beat and he knows it is not Hillary.

Sorry, I should have said “has been trying to advise”. I don’t know if Obama has been listening.

You guys keep saying this is one of the most corrupt, if not the “most” corrupt adminstrations in our history and yet all you can base this on is hearsay, conjecture and gossip. I have news for you rabid hate filled liberals, jsut because you don’t like certain policies doesn’t make them illegal! You have no proof about Rove’s so called “criminal” acts or GW’s or Cheney’s. One absolutely proveable dishonest act we can think of though is Bill Clinton’s perjury under oath! That is why he lost his license and was impeached. And yet, you are such hypocrites–you make it out like you hate dishonest and corruption but then pander to the likes of the Clintons. You’ve lost your credibilty as such. Your vitriol hatred reminds me of thought police. You would do well in a facist state where you can run wild with your character assacinations! Give me a break. Chill out. Your’e foaming at the mouth. Geez.

Why does Karl Rove get a platform to spout his nonsense? Obviously the Edwards and Obama supporters voted for “uncommitted.” Those delegates would be then be free to go to either of these candisates of the Michigan delegates are reinstated. But Rove wants to take an unfair dig anyway, and ABC puts it into the headlines!

Dennis: Like yourself,I am an older person and I once considered myself a Republican, however the last one I voted for turned out to be a disaster for me. Since then I have become what I consider a progressive. I have spent many hours looking at past records, histories, senate and congressional floor speeches regarding particular pieces of legislation of candidates having federal experience. I have searched newspaper archives from New York, Illinois, South and North Carolina, Tenn., Ark, to Arizona, and state government and city government archives as well. I have studied these candidates from Giuliani’s past as son of a mob connected felonious father, his draft dodging tactics, moral inequities, questionable records in NY as mayor. Mitt Romney whose business record at Bain capital leads me to believe his rhetoric regarding middle and lower income Americans is just that, rhetoric. Huckabee whose record indicates a liberal philosophy, while morally is a right wing religious zealot. McCain, whose voting record in the senate ranks number one missing in action for votes on legislation. Thompson has had too many questionable dealings as a lobbyist, and the maneuver he pulled with his senate campaign fund and his son left me wondering. Ron Paul would have been a good candidate in the 1800′s, but the world is not there. Edwards who talks a good game, but his only real experience is as a lawyer. While he spent six years in the Senate, he was absent much of the time campaigning for higher office. Then we have Hillary who has really had only seven years of actual experience in an elected position as a U.S. Senator, and her record on legislation is dismal. She has done well however for defense and pharmaceutical industries in the state of New York in the way of earmarks. In turn she garnered great support from these industries in the way of campaign contributions. The Clinton checkered past, especially around the time of Bill’s early period as governor and the possible connection to the Little Rock gambling and drug trade. Too many unanswered questions. Their reluctance to unseal records, such as that of Hillarys college thesis and the connection to Saul Alinsky, a person whom she has patterned her political agenda after. Even though that was during her college years, she draws upon the same tactics today. And now, the events of the past week have convinced me that she is definitely not the one America needs. That brings me to Barack Obama. I have studied Barack from childhood, through Occidental College to Harvard, and the University of Chicago Law School, through his tenure in the Illinois state legislature, and as a U.S. Senator. I have e-mailed Developing Communities Project, the community organizing concern for whom he worked for three years, as well as former law firm acquaintances and professors. I have searched world opinion, newspapers and websites, from Asia, Russia, Australia, Europe, South America and Africa. In other words, I have done a lot of research other than listening to the talking heads and clicking on You Tube. I have looked at other people who aren’t declared presidential candidates and, I have come to the conclusion as many in America, as well as around the world, that this young man who has had an admirable legislative record, and a bi-partisan record at that, no outrageous skeletons hidden from the past that I can find, and holds a political science degree as well as a degree in international relations, is the one who can best take the lead of this government and turn it around before a more major disaster than what has happened over the past seven years comes along. I can certainly overlook his indiscretions as a youth, and experimentation with drugs, at least he was honest about it, unlike others who are actively campaigning. I can overlook his admitted “boneheaded”, but legal real estate deal in purchasing a 10′ X 150′ of property to expand his yard, from an individual with a questionable background. If Barack hadn’t made the purchase,someone else would have. I can overlook the fact that he once failed to place his hand over his heart, during the playing of the Pledge of Allegiance, compared to the many times he has. My Lord, if I had as much on my mind as he, I would probably forget as well. But I can’t overlook the fact that every major issue Americans are concerned with not only have been spoken of many times by Mr. Obama, but spelled out in a fashion on his website, more comprehensive and complete than any other candidate. I can’t overlook the fact that every vote and speech he has made in the Senate chamber has been thought out with diligence and intelligence and the welfare of all Americans in mind. I have come to the conclusion that Barack Obama is indeed a rarity, and it will be a horrible mistake, a great missed opportunity, if Americans don’t put their political party affiliation’s and religious beliefs aside, and elect this man President of these United States.

Wow “gc,” I just read your very well laid out, thoughtful analysis above. I totally agree with everything you are saying…and that is as a Republican who watches alot of C-SPN to get teh real news and not jsut pundit’s opinions and spin. I admire the guy and, like you, think this is his time. It would indeed be a “missed opportunity” if the policies of fear and second guessing and some weird alleagiance to spin and lobby sponsored postioning prevented him from this very real chance to bring at least a little more unity to this country. I’m so tired of all the hate on both sides as you can easily read above. It’s time to move on. I’m willing to give him the chance. Remember, Lincoln, was a great President and he was only a Representative. His character made the difference and I see that same sort of principled approach with Obama. Thanks for your excellent long post. It adds a lot of actaul real reflection to the conversation.

15 points is a landslide.

What bs. Karl Rove knows better. One) Hillary got more votes than McCain and almost as many as Romney in his own state. Translation, she had good momentum there. This was not a contested race. She never campaigned there, so this is a very good showing. 2) Beating undecided by a significant margin is very good. Uncommitted representing a number of candidates has actually won these sorts of primaries before. It’s particularly good given that Conyers organized the uncommitted vote to go out for Obama. 3)Her share of the african american vote in Michigan is actually a good achievement. African american voters were supposed to come home to Obama, and that she got roughly 30% of the female, and 40% of the male, african american vote is quite good. 4) All in all, this was a good straw poll and she won decisively.

One thing I was looking for, but haven’t seen posted as of yet. This Michigan primary was held in violation of the rules and regulations laid down by the Democratic National Party. In other words, the DNC made the law. Two candidates respected the rules and regulations of the governing body and did not participate, while one disobeyed the rules and regulations and participated.

i’m an undecided democrat voter, but to hear rove bullying clinton gives her one more notch on the positive side… rove is a criminal on the loose

I’ll vote for Hillary all the way. For Obama I’m sorry I just don’t trust him at all not for a second, he had no experience what so ever, i never heard of his name, i can even imagine him in the White house it’ll be a complete mess they’ll walk all over him cause he doesn’t know nothing, maybe in the future after having a few experience them you’ll get my vote. This is exactly what the republican is waiting for to get re-elected again and i’ll vote for the republican istead of voting for abama.

“therockofages,” as mentioend in an above post, perhaps there’s a typo in the quote assigned to him. It wouldn’t be the first time ABC news has done that! There’s typos all over the place. Honestly, how are you helping the conversation with such a heaping of vile judgements and hatred. You aren’t helping your cause. And the fact is, alot more people are intersted in hearing his opion thatn yours, so I wouldn’t be so quick to judge wrongly.
As for the Dem test results, yes obviously Hilalry won but I don’t see how anyone can claim it was a convincing win! Consider that, of course, not all, or even prboably a third of the Obama and Edwards supporters bothered to come out and vote in such frigid weather when they knew their vote didn’t count and no delegates were going to be assigned. (BTW, why didn’t Hillary remove her name too?) And of course, if anyone should have gone out and voted, it should have been the Clinton supporters as at least her name was on the ballot (as was Kucinich’s)! To read anything else from it is just wishful thinking, at best.

Shirley, Thanks for trying to answer the black-brown issue. I still don’t buy it and no one, YES NO ONE else, who supports Hillary wants to touch this with a 10 foot pole. Why not just call it a Hispanic – African American issue? Black, brown issue just sounds so offensive it is inane. So is it OK if I call the USA a red, brown, yellow, black and white nation? Would anyone really think that was legit?

“Joyce” wrote “When Bill was in the Whitehouse we sure didn’t have a war that was running us into enormous debt, we have to borrow from other countrys including China! We didn’t have the home forclosures, Companys closing, the amount of unemployment we have today. Their is a enormous amount of people that are hurting. They have no healh insurance , working but companys don’t offer it, they barely make ends meet. I know, I am a senior citizen & I know everytime I go to the store, my money does not go as far as it once did. I have to pinch every penny. You have to look at the whole picture when you are deciding who to vote for. Read up on all of them , watch the Sunday morning programs they have & listen to what they are saying about all who is running. Too many people have tunnel vision, they also look at the glass as half empty! Think about the people that are hurting in this country, before you decide who to vote for & remember we need a person with experience & a lot of it! Hillary has that!” She cannot put it any clearer and better! America is up to her head in debt, you are borrowing from China, selling and pawning your national assets for more needed money, God knows to fund the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan and fight against terrorism and maybe fund your social security. America is mortgaging away the future of many of her generations to come! And it beats me that you all are worried about someone perceived to be polarising when you should be looking out for who is most qualified and best to manage America out of the huge mess you’ve got yourself into. John Kerry, with all his wealth and years in the Senate and a decorated veteran to boot could not survive the character assassination by the Republicans, let alone some new senator with barely 2 to 3 years’ experience. You could have had some damage control had Kerry been elected in 2004 but you got hoodwinked then. Now you worry about being polarised by someone who probably is your best bet to at least get America back on her feet. What is worse may I ask, being polarised or keeping your job, supporting your children to college, affording healthcare, ensurng social security is not bankrupt by the time you need it and that America has not pawned her right to lead to some foreign powers. You may not realise that you are becoming more a tenant in your own country than the owner you once were. I sincerely hope that you all choose wisely your next President. The ideal is always noble and to be cherised but you cannot escape and hide from the reality confronting you.

Look at it this way…Hillary for President, Obama for Vice-President. If you are going to support either one, together they might really have something. Personally, at this point, I’m still an Edwards supporter.

Jerilyn D Bifulco, Elinda and all of you Clueless Hillary Clinton supporters:
Karl Rove is right!
Running against uncommitted and 3
minor candidates Hillary Clinton was only able to win 55% of the vote!
45% of the voters rejected her!
She should have gotten 70-80% of the vote! If she gets the Dem Nomination don’t be surprised if she loses the
Presidential election!

More Republicans nitpicking about Democrats’ faults = More votes for Democrats

hillary is so yesterday…
notice no caps

Keep in mind too, that these are very different times and Hillary is not Bill, love him or hate him. (How she takes credit as First lady for any ‘apparent’ good done when he was President but none of the bad is beyond me! Typical spin.) But together, they are as hated as much as many here hate this current administration. Do we really want to continue the family legacies? Time to move on!

I have to admit that I am one of those voters who would get up at 5 AM if necessary; go out in 8 feet of snow and ice if necessary; walk 10 miles if necessary; call in sick to work if necessary; wait in line for hours if necessary; go without food for the day if necessary; etc.,etc., all to VOTE AGAINST HILLARY CLINTON, no matter who was running against her. Yep, I’m of that ilk. I simply don’t want another Clinton in the White House, and I don’t like liars, cheaters, flip-floppers, or manipulative, power-hungry politicians who will do anything to gain votes.

GC-very inspiring read. People keep talking about what Hillary said re: black/brown. Well she meant AfroAmerican/Espanic. What’s the big deal? The woman had only so long to talk last night, I think people are making something about nothing.
Next.Please explain what the other controversey they are speaking about re: what Hillary said about Martin Luther King, Jr. and Lyndon Johnson?
I hope this country can stop bashing one another and that this race for the President is not what he said she said, but read up on each candidate who is running, it is not just McCain,Romney, or Hillary,Obama. There is Hucklebee and Edwards. Hell these guys are working their tails off and the media doesn’t even consider them as even being in the race. I am so furious with the media. It’s not fair.
One more thing, why was Hillary the only person on the ballot in Michgan? That’s not fair if Edwards and Obama were not on there.Why is Michgan laws different?

Karl Rove as credible? Please. He may be a great strategist for the wealthy and corrupt, but this country needs to put people like him where they belong – out of business. Anything that comes out of his mouth can be translated as bad for the majority of the American public.

Sure, that’s just what we need to do – take advice from Karl Rove. As if he hasn’t done enough to ruin this country. Isn’t he finished yet? Maybe he should be tried for treason along with GWB and his other cohorts. Maybe that’s the only way we are going to rid ourselves of these vile men.

Good questions, “Cinga,” worthy of a detailed response from someone. I’ll take a stab at it:
“..who, if you had your own company, would you rather have running your company – someone with IDEAS with no experience? OR someone with IDEAS AND Experience.”
–Obviously the latter but the thing is, is that actually Barack has MORE legislative experience than Hillary and certainly more vision/inspiration! (She also surrounded herself for far longer with Washington insiders than real people.) BTW, her term as First lady hardly counts! Also consider whetehr you would you choose an employee who thrived on division and was known for verbal tirades and lying?! I think not. That is Hillary’s huge weakness.
“1) If Barack is all about change and respect – why do all of his supporters bash, bash bash. I can tell you that doesn’t cause change is DC.”
–Don’t agree here, even including Hillary herself. She lives and breathes the politics of conquer, smear, and divide. The question to ask is, why would a Republican (like myself) or true independents even bother to defend Obama if we don’t even agree on some of his policy? Perhaps it’s because we see a chance for real change and long to break out of the status quo of DC for the last 15 years or so.
“2) Give 3 reasons – if you are a Democratic person – why Hillary wouldn’t be a good choice. I guarantee you in these times, you wouldn’t find a good reason. ”
–OK, I’m not a Dem but here’s mine since you took the time to write: A. She is not Bill and is running on a platform of “experience” when in actuality she has less legislative experience than Barack and other candidates on both sides. B. She is equally (ifn ot more by a silent majority) hated by the electorate as those with this administration are, and there is a very real threat of voter backlash and resolve to NOT see another Clinton in office, thereby assuring a loss in what should be an easy win for Dems. (Personally, for me, if she lost that is fine as I would prefer anyone over her but I don’t want to see more fueled bitterness and resentment for another 4 years.) C. Her history of deception and cover-up will not take the country in any new direction, as neither will her love of polarizing and vilifying anyone who stands in her way. We need to some more unity in this country!
“3) I don’t give a crap who you vote for, but just get educated.”
–Yes, and that’s why people like myself are on sites like this and more so, and watching truly neutral, just the facts reporting on C-SPAN and the like where we can hear rhetoric from the horses mouth directly, instead of filtered through the pundits. Many of us read a wide array of journals from many different vantage points and don’t but into all the hate conspiracies out there, like those directed at GW and Cheney. Many of us are indeed focusing on a wider picture, and guess what? As a result we are convinced Hillary is wrong for the country at this time and will pull us backwards into more acidic divide, not forwards.

JL writes, “If they hate Hillary, then I’m all for her. I hope she wins and makes their lives miserable for the next 8 years.”
–Do you see how this just smacks of that love for derisive divison and continues the hate that the Clintons also embody? How does this help the country, going forward, become any more unified? I feel honestly bad for you.
“I wish also that the cons would be charged and made to pay back the money they’ve stolen from this country.”
–Can you prove many of these conspiracy type theories? It would never stand up in court. It sounds like you are listening to too much liberal hate speech, just as bad as he GOP attack machine on the other side!
“They are stupid, criminal, greedy and dirty in their methods.”
To say such sweeping judgements of an entire party is pointles and naive. (Just becasue you vehemently disagree with the oppostion’s policies does not make them all ‘stupid’ and so forth! Come on!) Yes, I see, you are voting for the right candidate for your views, Hillary. –Just keep vilifying the oppostion to such a rediculous extent and see where that gets us!
Reading above, it never ceases to amaze me the level of vitriol, lewdness and lack of any semblance of real discourse some of the anti-Bush commentators will go. Make your point, fine, but do you have to be sink to be so vile and outrageous? Sorry, but it doesn’t exactly strenghten your cause among the wider informed electorate.

Wake up people!…If a person like Rove opens his mouth and says something negative about a person, it means he or she (in this case she) is the one who would do the opposite of what Rove and this administration was doing in the last seven years. Isn’t that the change we all want? Go Hilary…

Carl Rove has attacked Hillary AND Obama. He is a pathetic little man that needs to get a life. Be thankful he will never be President! Although I am NOT a Hillary supporter, I think this little man is just trying to be a big man.He is looking for his 15 minutes of infamous fame. As a senior citizen living in Illinois(originally from Wisconsin) I will be voting for Obama. I am looking for trustworthiness in the person I vote for and I believe he will be the best choice for ALL people. Go Obama ! Go Packers!

Why is it so hard for Clinton Supporters to admit that the elections in Michigan and Florida were not on a level playing ground. It is impossible to make any extrpolation of skewed data.
Some people play by the rules others don’t Let’s not reward those that do not. The DNC suggested the candidates remove their names why didn’t Hillary? Hillary was making appearances in Florida right prior to the campaign.. No other candidate did. Many voters smart enough to know their vote didn’t count in Florida voted on the republican side so their vote would count. Many people in both elections did not turn out becuase they understood their vote would not count. The establishment faithful and some protest voters did vote. But this can not be interpretted as being representative of the whole, just means the most well know candidate won. As usually Clinton folks don’t want to play fair… What ever it take to win, cheat lie, manipulate the truth. I don’t like Rove manipulating the truth either, which he was good at and clearly we want that stopped.

In response to Goodwins – Clinton was on the same unlevel playing ground that the other candidates were on. Only Obama and Clinton’s names appeared on the Florida ballot so that sounds pretty level to me. It’s Obama’s campaign organization’s fault that Obama’s name didn’t appear on the Michigan ballot. The people who voted are American’s that happen to be registered Democrats and their vote should be counted for as much as yours or mine. The Democratic Party organization created this mess now they need to count the votes and just deal with it. Maybe the next time they will think twice before pulling a stunt like this.
Good for Hillary for making an appearance in Florida, those people need to be aware that there is a candidate available that is concerned about their well-being and opinions too. That is exactly the reason she should be our next Commander and Chief.
Unless you’re a registered Republican in Florida you can’t vote for the Republican candidate. So they went to the polls and cast their votes for Hillary. The votes she received were much greater than any Republican or Democrat received so I don’t know where Goodwins in getting their information.
If the Democrats want to win the Presidency back they better nominate Hillary Clinton as their candidate because she’s the only person in the field that has the capability of carrying the more populated states. She’s won them all except for Illinois. She will win PA too.
Obama is not presidential material and his wife certainly is not 1st lady material. The Clintons have proved their worth time and time again. What has Obama ever done for you? He keeps crying out “Change” but change to what? How can he be about change when he is doing everything that Kennedy and Kerry are telling him? He couldn’t even win in Mass. and he had Kerry, Kennedy and the Govenor backing him. The Republicans will have a field day with this guy. Obama will win the states with the large black populations because Black people are just prejudice that way, few are concerned about who is the most qualified but instead more concerned about the color of a persons skin. The entire country was in better shape during the Clinton years than it is today. We need experience in the White House that can get this country back on track.
For the record Karl Rove is an idiot. He quit his job before he was fired. He just spoke at a University recently and he was heckled, made fun of, and the people asked if he would return the $40,000.00 fee that he charged for the engagement. He has always hated Hillary which makes me want to support her even more.