By Jaketapper

Jan 7, 2008 9:11pm

Was Hillary Dismissing MLK?

On Fox News Channel this evening, our friend Major Garrett snagged an interview with Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., which prompted a curious response.

"I want to read to you something Senator Obama said today about your contention that he offers false hopes," Garrett said.

Garrett then read from Obama’s remarks earlier today, which were, per ABC News’ Sunlen Miller, "How have we made progress in this country? Look, did John F. Kennedy look at the moon and say ‘Ahhhh, it’s too far. We can’t do that. We need a reality check.’ Dr. King standing on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial. ‘You know, this Dream thing,it’s a false hope. We can’t expect equality. False hopes.’

"Let me tell you something about hope," Obama continued. "I do talk about hope quite a bit. Out of necessity. There is no odds maker who would have said that I would be standing here when I was born in 1961. My parents come from different corners of the planet. They separated when I was two, My father left my mother. Single mom raised me with my grandparents. Could only offer me love and education and hope."

After reading to her the part of that quote that dealt with MLK, Garrett asked Clinton, "Do you have a reaction to that?"

Said Clinton, "Dr King’s dream began to be realized when President Lyndon Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, when he was able to get through Congress something that President Kennedy was hopeful to do, the president before had not even tried, but it took a president to get it done."

She continued; "That dream became a reality, the power of that dream became real in people’s lives, because we had a president who said ‘we’re going to do it,’ and actually got it done."

So…Obama is MLK, a good talker who never accomplished anything, and thank heaven for Clinton-slash-LBJ?

Am I reading that right?

And is this really a smart message to make just a few days before the South Carolina primary?

- jpt

User Comments

I’m an Independent but I’d like to say that Clinton is right; it DID take a president to HELP out the CIVIL RIGHTS movement and she’s also correct about Obama not having done anything. Do you have a problem with those facts Tapper? And what exactly is the point you were TRYING to make? Were you TRYING to accuse Hillary of something?

Posted by: DC | January 7, 2008, 9:21 pm 9:21 pm

Personally, I feel that the major networks are favoring Obama. Every time a news show is on, there is coverage of Obama and the Impact he is making. Every comment about him is positive. This morning on GMA, Diane pointed out how impressed she was on the Obama organization in NH. DO you mean to tell me that NO other candidate has an organized staff? When George interviewd Hilary, he cut her off in mid sentences. I feel that the networks have decided who should win and then they are giving that person all the positive spin. He is a first term senator with little experience in dealing with foreign affairs. OIs that what we need today in this country?

Posted by: wonderer | January 7, 2008, 9:50 pm 9:50 pm

That was a very insulting comment she made. Everything is always top down instead of from the people up.

Posted by: Ray | January 7, 2008, 10:06 pm 10:06 pm

America for the sake of our Country we cannot afford to take chances – THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION IN THE HISTORY OF AMERICA choose who is The Most Qualified Presidential Candidate – who do you think has the brain and can lead the Country on Day One. Don’t base it on LIKABILITY you are running a Country United States of America not a POPULARITY CONTEST. Do you remmeber G. W. Bush he was likable what happen now; where are we now? Are we better off today than 7 years ago? Don’t listen to the National Media do your own research check YOUR CANDIDATE Records, what have they done and what there Accomplishment. Don’t believe in there Poetry and Prose Speeches. REALISTICALLY EXPERIENCE CAN BRING A REAL CHANGE FOR THEY’VE BEEN THERE.
God Bless America!!!!

Posted by: Samson Lim | January 7, 2008, 10:11 pm 10:11 pm

Coupled with the JFK/assissination comment her introductory speaker made earlier in the day, there’s no way I would ever vote for this crazy lady.

Posted by: B | January 7, 2008, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm

Only she didn’t say that LBJ “help[ed] out” the civil rights movement, she said that he was the precipitating force behind it. I honestly don’t even know what analogy she’s trying to draw here. Obama, is running for president too, so is he LBJ? Or, is he MLK? Or, maybe JFK? It’s so confusing. She makes no sense. She’s been all over the place today, crying one minute, pulling scare-mongering tactics the next, not-so-subtly implying that the “negro” should stick to activism and leave the governin’ to serious folk. I’m actually a huge fan of LBJ’s, but I wouldn’t go around drawing that particular comparison if I were her. After all, he was also undone by an irrational commitment to an unpopular war. Sleep in tomorrow, Hillary. Your brain clearly needs the rest.

Posted by: Outer-Borough Princess | January 7, 2008, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm

Maybe you should tell her to go iron your shirts instead of running for president. . . and then tell Obama to go sell crack on the nearest corner. No?

Posted by: dc | January 7, 2008, 10:54 pm 10:54 pm

I am in total shock!! How can Clinton say such a thing and just days from MLK day!? I didn’t hate Clinton before… but now I loath her!! I have heard of shooting yourself in the foot, but she just shot herself in the head! She is unelectable… period!

Posted by: ike | January 7, 2008, 11:53 pm 11:53 pm

Hillary is right. People comparing Obama and worst he comparing himself to JFK or Dr. King is outrageous. Obama is nothing compared to them. I am a 4th generation of Black Americans and found his cockiness and words sometimes cynic and misleading. What does he knows about been a real African American? few years as a community service lawyer in Chicago dealing with unscrupulous landlords wont give him the reason to compare himself to Dr. King. He gotta stop!

Posted by: Mary | January 8, 2008, 12:47 am 12:47 am

Obama is the Carter for this generation.
If anything, how dare Obama compare himself to JFK. He is no JFK, RFK or MLK.
–philip

Posted by: Philip Dumas | January 8, 2008, 12:49 am 12:49 am

Who remembers the Carter years?
I do!
Tapper?
Lots of false hope, big promises of change. What we got was an experienced, recession making, inept foreign affairs president.
What have a beer, go find Carter or Bush. But no. Not now. No.
–philip

Posted by: Philip Dumas | January 8, 2008, 12:55 am 12:55 am

Who remembers the Carter years?
I do!
Tapper?
Lots of false hope, big promises of change. What we got was an inexperienced, recession making, inept foreign affairs president.
Want to have a beer, go find Carter or Bush. But no Barack. Not now. No.
–philip

Posted by: Philip Dumas | January 8, 2008, 12:57 am 12:57 am

Hey Tapper? What about instead of questioning Hillary comments, why not challenging Obama’s comparison to JFK and Martin Luther King? Is he in the same level? if so why? You should be more objective of your editorial notes here as you do with your comments on TV. It’s clear Obama has an identity crisis, he is one day Lincoln, other JFK, other Martin Luther and next Osama?

Posted by: Albert | January 8, 2008, 1:02 am 1:02 am

The wife of the former president is smarting because the press/clinton love fest is over! I’ve prayed for this day for years! Fame and fortune will follow the media reporter who finally does to the clinton’s what woodward/bernstein did to Nixon, that is tell the truth about them. Unmask them. Show them for the weasels they are.
bill clinton disrespected the White House and he has no personal respect for his wife. The voters finally know the truth and that’s why she is losing, big time! hillary doens’t know the meaning of the word ‘change’…barack does, he gets it!

Posted by: flo jo | January 8, 2008, 1:36 am 1:36 am

hillary just insulted MLK, JFK and Barack. She is losing her rational and getting desperate. And we want her finger on the red button in Washington? No way…i’ll bet bin ladin is in his cave laughing his head off. Think he’s scared of the crybaby now?
And, what did she mean when she said Barack hadn’t done the ‘spade work’ to be president? What truly has she done besides ride her husbands coattails and enable him to humiliate her all the time?

Posted by: flo jo | January 8, 2008, 1:41 am 1:41 am

Hillary Clinton has accomplished nothing,no significant legislation with her name on it. She left the Arkansas education system in worse shape than it was when they took over. Please tell me one specific thing she did on her own, anybody…………….

Posted by: frank3108 | January 8, 2008, 1:42 am 1:42 am

I found it amusing that Obama would be talking about being raised by a single parent as if the really had it hard in his life. Here’s a guy who never went to public school, got the best education money could buy, and tries to sound like one of the people. Wake up

Posted by: john | January 8, 2008, 1:48 am 1:48 am

Obama is a gifted speaker and an intelligent human being – he’s leading his own movement which has just begun. We don’t know how it will ultimately look, but its taking shape as I type these words. If your awake like the voters in IA & NH are, then you can particapate in making History! If your too jaded or cynical…well, you can miss this moment and be on the wrong side of Histroy like Hillary is. “Let Freedom Ring…”

Posted by: CHANGE TSUNAMI | January 8, 2008, 1:48 am 1:48 am

Hillary’s going through Kubler-Ross’ five stages of dying a political death:
Denial and isolation: I’m the experienced one. He has no experience. Words don’t mean anything. I have 35 years of experience.
Anger: He’s no JFK or MLK!
YET TO HAPPEN
Bargaining: You’re too young, you should let me have my chance!
Depression: People don’t like me. They really don’t like me!
Acceptance: I never should’ve acted like the Queen. I never should’ve acted like it was my coronation. I never should’ve let Bill screw around behind my back and acted like nothing happened. I never should’ve married the bum. I never should’ve lied so much.

Posted by: scotty_417 | January 8, 2008, 1:49 am 1:49 am

Not sure she was “dismissing” MLK…but she was certainly minimizing his role. Pretty amazing she’d be so stupod if u ask me.

Posted by: bG | January 8, 2008, 1:56 am 1:56 am

Wow, I’m kind of offended that Hillary would try to discredit MLK’s legacy. I don’t think its racist, but it is 100% desperate.

Posted by: Sharon From Charleston | January 8, 2008, 1:56 am 1:56 am

All of the press is talking about the positve campaign of Obama, then everytime Hillary opens her mouth they attack her. It is one thing for a candidates representatives to talk about the negatives of another candidate but the press is suppose to be giving us the news not entering the race on one side or the other. Give us some facts about Obama,instead of try to get him elected. Also what is the matter with the voting public it looks like they are not even thinking they are just taking the press’s recommendations and marching to the voting booth like good little sheep. The press did the same thing when Bush was putting forth a false case for going to war and look at the lives that has cost us.

Posted by: Jean | January 8, 2008, 1:59 am 1:59 am

Maybe you folks who claim that Obama was comparing himself to JFK and MLK should take remedial reading. Listen up: he cited JFK and MLK as EXAMPLES of leaders who verbally projected a vision for some audacious goal, where those projected visions were important factors in igniting the realization of those goals. He was NOT COMPARING HIS ACHIEVEMENTS WITH JFK’s OR MLK’s; he was arguing that compelling verbal pictures of big visions is an important function that words, well used, can fulfill. Barack made this point to rebut Hillary’s claim that words mean nothing and that “experience” is the real and only thing that counts. YOU GET IT NOW folks? Good. Those who mistakenly charged Barack with arrogance owe him an apology. If you had read or listened to what he actually said with care, and if you were responsible enough to think about what he said you’d have avoided the error of accusing him of arrogance.
Shame on you.

Posted by: berto | January 8, 2008, 2:03 am 2:03 am

Billary’s desperation is showing. She has been all over the morning news shows mischaracterizing Obama’s comments after minimizing MLK’s life work. Even if she won the nomination she would never win the election because their would be a virtual BlackOut. African Americans will stay home before they vote for her. Her comments are hitting email inboxes and being posted to websites geared to African Americans as we speak.

Posted by: tonia jones | January 8, 2008, 7:52 am 7:52 am

DC Hillary is right OBAMA wasn’t even born when JFK/LJB were in office or when MLK made his historic speech but I was. JFK, RFK and MLK is the legacy of a younger generation and OBAMA should invoke them.

Posted by: Debbie | January 8, 2008, 11:22 am 11:22 am

Scotty, you’re SPOT ON!!!
The Clintons are digging their own grave. Rather than run on her record and spell out what she’d do, they accuse and destroy. They’re first mistake? Running an incumbent campaign. Second, assuming that we want to elect a President simply because they know how to fight the opposition.
As for Obama’s record, he may have had excellent schooling but money had nothing to do with it. His mother had nothing; his grandparents were solid middle-class Midwesterners. He EARNED that education. Affirmative action may have helped him along but it didn’t get him to the top of the Harvard Law Review or to the faculty of the University of Chicago – brilliance and competence did. As a state legislator, he was instrumental in passing ethics and justice legislation. In each case, he worked vociferously with the opposition until they came over to HIS side. In the U.S. Senate, he wrote landmark ethics legislation.
It’s past time for acrimony. If Sen. Clinton is as fine a candidate as her supporters say, demand she and her husband cease the smears and exaggerations. It’s far beneath a former President and First Lady of the United States. Let Sen. Clinton run on her own message and record. If it’s what the country wants, she’ll be the next President. Otherwise, she should conduct herself with the grace and dignity expected of a former First Lady and sitting U.S. Senator. It’s about the country, not the Clintons.

Posted by: JR | January 8, 2008, 11:29 am 11:29 am

Ask yourself this question: Would you like to work for an Obama-type guy, who is upbeat and positive, is always coming up with new ways of doing things, belives in coming out ahead of the competition but not beating them down, and constantly challenges team members to be energetic and imaginative? Or would you see that guy as an annoyance, a nerdy dreamer who’s a thorn in your side as you try to put in a simple 8-hour day? Would you rather work for a Hillary-type, who is a micro-manager, hard-driving competitor, who has much more experience than you have, prefers to hand out tasks rather than hear new ideas from her people, who wants things done her way, but blames those under her when her way doesn’t achieve success? I’ve worked for both types of people–haven’t you all?? I’m making no comment about civil rights here–but–whatever the endeavor, I would rather work for MLK or Obama Enterprises than Hillary-Corp. How about you?

Posted by: SteveW | January 8, 2008, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm

Hillary Rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!
The best woman for the job. What has Obama done for the country lately?
Anne

Posted by: Anne | January 8, 2008, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm

Huh? Hillary says it took a president to be able to implement MLK’s dream of a better America for minorities, and somehow this reporter interprets that as Hillary saying MLK was “a good talker who never accomplished anything”? Talk about putting words into someone’s mouth!
I had never heard of this Jake Trapper guy before I ran across this column today, but I’m frankly surprised that this level of journalism is coming from someone identified as an ABC News Senior Correspondent.

Posted by: kt | January 8, 2008, 8:55 pm 8:55 pm

As a Black person, I was really offended when I heard Hillary say this. She more or less said MLK’s contributions were null and void, which I believe speaks to the essence of who she and her (cheating) husband really are, Neo-conservatives “pretend Democrats”

Posted by: Ms. Emerson | January 9, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am

I am really offended regarding Hilliary Clinton’s remarks about Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. I am appalled by her remarks. She totally dismiss Dr. King. I am a democrat and have been one all of my life, but if she is the democratic nonmonee for president my family and I will vote for the first time for a republican. I don’t know anything that Hilliary has accomplished. As a matter of fact she was a republican. She worked in the Goldwater campaign. I hope all the African American that are supporting her will wake up and smell the coffee.

Posted by: Mary C Woolridge | January 9, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm

This comment is telling of Hillary’s understanding of social change as well as belittling the contributions of MLK. I want someone to explain to me her 35 years of social change. How has our country benefited from this change? What are the policies, laws, and programs created that advance the quality of life for all Americans? If you look at her voting record and her contributions while in Ark, can anyone answer these questions? Check her record yourself. I plan to juxtapose Hilary’s record with verifiably policies and programs she created as an exercise in my undergraduate course that I teach which covers social change!!!

Posted by: Paulette | January 9, 2008, 11:17 pm 11:17 pm

Hillary is saying what my family and friends are saying. How dare Obama compare himself to a great leader like Doc King. Obama can not compare himself to a man who went thru the horrible things Doc King went through. He truly lead a struggle for rights. Doc King was beaten in the streets and jailed. He was a great man. Obama has lead a charmed life. He lives in a fancy house, worth millions and the media loves him.
My family, friends and I are highly offended. When Obama speaks his voice changes. From himself to Doc King. He goes up and down pretending to be something he is not. My black friends in Ga. think it is a low blow to the King memory. Obama is not from the south. He does not talk southern. Who does he think he is?
Talking about Doc Kings struggles is great but trying to sound like him and compare yourself to him, has not been earned. A man or woman should stand on their own accomplishments when running for President.

Posted by: C DEPP | January 10, 2008, 4:43 am 4:43 am

Although I did not interpret Obama’s comment as comparing himself to MLK, I thought he described MLK’s contribution to our society. Is Hillary claiming to be LBJ? Is that an earned comparison? Again, what is the outcome in policies and programs created from her 35 years of social change? We know the impact of both LBJ and MLK. Can someone explain her 35 year legacy on our society? Also, is she bribing African American clergy and politicians to persuade African American voters in SC?

Posted by: Paulette | January 10, 2008, 9:08 am 9:08 am

Yea Hillary was right , it took a president to help out the civil right, but without the hope for a better life by the dreamer who awoken the nation we wouldn’t have had the president do what he did.
So now imagine having a president who himself is an hopeful dreamer not a nay sayer.
Why aren’t we talking about the fact that there are group of families now that think they have a special right to our presidency?.

Posted by: Mark Twain | January 10, 2008, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm

Obama was making a comparison with MLK as a person hoping for better for its citizens. Of course he has not been through all of the fight of MLK and neither has many others who came on the scene after MLK.
What you SHOULD be outraged about is the fact that Hilliary Clinton DISMISSED the works of MLK!!! Without his dream…..and actions, the president would not have taken up the mantle to make part of it come true.
Please open your eyes!!! Let us not get it twisted. Black, brown or white to disregard the impact of the MLK movement should be of importance to you.
How close are we from the plantation mentality?

Posted by: Liz | January 11, 2008, 11:11 am 11:11 am

Ok first off, Hilary wasn’t discrediting MLK’s work. All she was saying was that MLK’s goals/dreams for African Americans…would have been just that…goals/dreams…until a man in a position of power (LBJ) set these goals/dreams in stone (the law). People will make up any kind of outrageous claims just to discredit Hilary. This woman can’t do/say anything without some type negative backlash.

Posted by: TJ | January 11, 2008, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm

I agree w/scotty. Just because Obama had money when he was growing up, he still had to work for scholastic achievements, respect, and his dreams/goals. Where is the harm in one who dreams of unity and CHANGE?! He might still have a master plan…. Go MLK and Obama!

Posted by: fairness4all | January 11, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm

I agree with many of you, Hilary was not “dissing” MLK. And being an african-american, i was not offended by this at all. she knows that MLK could not possibly make those dreams a reality alone. he needed the help of the president, congress, and the house in order to dream no more.
The reality was, MLK didnt get the chance to act. so therefore, he was only a dreamer. He was a talker. But those dreams and those words sparked a change. and for that this nation is grateful.

Posted by: justreading | January 11, 2008, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm

I am sick and tired of Bill and Hillary Clinton and I am offended by both their condesending comments about Obama (“fairy tale”) and MLK (LBJ was responsible for the civil rights bill, not MLK). Had it not been for MLK’s dream and putting his life on the line, African-Americans might still be sitting at the back of the bus. Be careful Black America. These comments may clearly indicate their TRUELY dismissive attitudes toward African-Americans. African-Americans supported Bill Clinton after the Monica affair and enabled him to serve a second term. The Clinton should be supporting Obama–its his time. VOTE OBAMA!!!

Posted by: AJ | January 11, 2008, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm

Hillary totally discounted the passion and legacy of MLK and how his voice set the motion of change into action. If this man had not sacrificed his life by using his voice and ACTIONS to invoke change LBJ nor any other President would have felt the urgency of racial injustice in our nation. Barack was simply stating that if not JFK & MLK dared to dream and hoped of change our nation would have a very different history. I think a President can have the mentality of hope and change and be a strong leader of our country.
I would also like to know the breakdown of Sen. Clinton’s 35 years of change. How does being a former first lady make a canidate more qualified to be President?

Posted by: Iris | January 12, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am

I am so surprised at some of these comments by those who are supposedly well informed.
Hilary Clinton did dismiss the work of Martin Luther King, who put his life on the line every day, ultimately losing it to help others. She implied that LBJ’s actions were more important. The truth is, if it had not been for MLK and others, who inspired THE WORLD TO TAKE NOTICE, it would have been business as usual in the White House.
Someone says that Senator Clinton was very influenced by seeing Dr. King speak in her youth and has had a life-long dedication to civil rights. What has she done to further civil rights? She and her husband’s goal has been and is to chase the money (Hello Whitewater??) She speaks about who she knows personally, but because she’s finally realizing that we are tire of the same old mess, now speaks of “change.” She wants it both ways.
Obama has been working to better the lives of people before he became well known. He has integrity, good character, a real marriage and family life, not just for show or photo ops. Personally, I think a person who has demonstrated he has the best interest of all people at heart, especially those less fortunate than himself is more fit to run this country that one who brags about who they know. Obama could have chosen the money, he attended an ivy league school, is also married to an attorney. His home and fellow citizens were and are more important. I’m sure he never lacked for opportunities.
Bill Clinton signed the bill that made it law to allow people with small amounts of crack to get sentenced a lot more time that those with larger amounts of powder cocaine. Neither is a good thing, but it was then, and is now, a well-known fact that crack is cheaper and thus tends to affect inner city neighborhoods which have a higher population of minorities. This is a little known fact because many of us don’t seek the facts, but were influenced by the good-guy personality. And he was the only we saw on the Arsenio Hall show, and played the sax.
This woman has not earned the respect from the black community, nor does she deserve it. If her feelings were so heartfelt she would be the one making the rounds of black radio, rather than her husband. She doesn’t even appear to be comfortable around blacks, which is pretty evident not only from her recent remarks, but those she’s made in the past, too.
Last, but not least the lady who asked her the question just before her “tearful response,” saw it for what it was, insincere. She voted for Obama. She felt the phoniness.

Posted by: Nana1007 | January 12, 2008, 11:00 pm 11:00 pm

I could not believe that Hillary Clinton said the following: “Dr. King’s dream began to be realized when President Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act. It took a president to get it done.”
This is totally unacceptable for Hillary Clinton to say. Black people across the nation should demands an official apology from her. She covers herself under the Democratic Party to gain African American support, and votes. However she does not represent the party ideology. I am afraid that she is just a hypocrite and an opportunist who fooled the black community in the past. She was right when she said that she found her voice in New Hampshire thereafter. She does even have a modicum of restraint for our most respectable hero – A man who gave his life for the liberty of back people. I could not believe that she said the following: “Dr. King’s dream began to be realized when President Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act. It took a president to get it done.”
Not only she is going to loose the votes of the black people in South Carolina, but also she is going to loose the black votes across the nation. The last time I remember checking the official US census, Black people accounts for about 12.8% of the population

Posted by: Nixon Benoit | January 13, 2008, 2:28 am 2:28 am

Just read AJ’s comment. I am an African-American and I WAS offended because Clinton implied that without MLK’s dreams actualized by the president America wouldn’t be what it is today. The truth is that MLK actualized his dreams in millions of people when he gave his “I Have a Dream ” speech. He planted seeds of hope and that is exactly what Obama is trying to do. I don’t think he should be stopped.

Posted by: fairness4all | January 13, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am

I don’t trust hillery as many opther have proven tell will say anything to get in office but once they are there broken promises.is all we get .myself i am tired of putting people in office who are in the political bed already and do nothing for us for the next 4 to 8 years .But for their bed partners everything is money making and gettin fatter pockets.meanwhile the underclassman and woman continue to struggle..We need fresh untarnished blood repn us in the white house it’s time for a change..

Posted by: KEV | January 15, 2008, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm

Hillary was not dismissing Dr King, She was simply saying that he worked with the cooperative president as a team. Maybe she could have emphasized this unity more, but objectively, what she said was accurate and respectful.

Posted by: Andy St. Clair | January 16, 2008, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm

Why is it that if a person is for Sen. Obama to be president, its because he is great, but if a person is for Sen. Clinton, they are a racist?

Posted by: Gsalem3633 | February 18, 2008, 10:30 am 10:30 am

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