A Republican Official Comes to Obama’s Defense
Unsolicited, a big GOP muckety-muck I know, and with whom I frequently talk, emailed me today to defend Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, from the Clinton attacks that he lifted rhetoric improperly from Gov. Deval Patrick.
"It figures it would take the Clintons to get me to defend a Democrat! " the GOP official quips. “And perhaps someone should note that Hillary sounds a lot like then Lt. Governor Kerry Healey who originally prompted Deval Patrick’s remarks when she said in 2006, ‘Well, he can make a good speech’… Is Hillary cribbing from Kerry Healey?”
But on a more serious note, the official says if Republicans "footnoted every time we use a Reaganesque phrase or saying – a Republican couldn’t give a speech. We know Joe Biden; Joe Biden was a plagiarist; Barack Obama is no Joe Biden."
The issue, the official says, is "I just know this could happen easily to any candidate or any staffer preparing a speech or a line for a candidate."
The official says this from experience. "Often if I came up with a good line for a candidate I would worry it might be something Reagan said that I had somehow incorporated in my head since I’ve read so many of his speeches and have so many quips and sayings of his in my subconscious, and DNA! And certainly copying the construction of some line was very easy to do. You say something similar to someone when you are in a similar situation – which is the case here," with Obama in the same position as was Patrick.
And speaking of Reagan, the official writes, "Ronald Reagan didn’t note the film that the ‘I paid for this microphone’ line came from when he said it – he just reacted with it. Who knows if he even recalled it from the movies or if it just came subconsciously. (Per Yahoo answers — It was a line of Spencer Tracy’s from the movie “State of the Union”. His character was going to be cut off at a debate and he said the line)."
"It’s pretty hard to come up with something new," the GOPer writes. "Politics is all about everyone reworking everyone else’s lines and sentiments – particularly for Republicans since we like to harken back to the Founders and our heroes, like Reagan. But the bottom line is that there’s not much new in what we do. Every time you come up with a slogan – you can go back and find out that Al Smith said it in 1928 or what you thought was your thought was actually an oft heard Lincoln line or something like that."
And for those Democratic conspiracy theorists out there, who think maybe this Republican is trying to build up Obama because of a theory Obama would be weaker, this conversation was part of an off-the-record one via email, and I asked if I could share the official’s thoughts.
And, for what it’s worth, this Republican thinks Obama will actually prove "the tougher candidate and will make Republicans get back to basics and talk about issues and philosophy rather than Clinton scandals and the psychodrama of Bill and Hillary and all that pathology that is sooooo 90s – all those distractions that the press loves but most of us are sick of – and to borrow a phrase – want to turn the page on! And Obama brushing it off and saying, ‘Hey, maybe I should have credited Deval,’ and moving on shows perhaps he’s focused on the race and unlike the Clintons understands that it’s not about him."
Very interesting —
What say you?
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I say was this same republican salivating and licking his chops at the tought of Obama being the nominee? This simply proves my point that the republicans will do anything in their power to keep Hillary out of the White House. They know they can beat Obama but they are afraid of going up against Clinton.
Posted by: Firefighter | February 18, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm
It took a republican to defend Barack Obama. Well why don’t you tell us who it is?
Posted by: Brian | February 18, 2008, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm
Everyone knows that Hillary is a weak candidate. McCain will eat her alive on the Iraq war. However, Obama will eat McCain alive on the war if he is the nominee. I can already hear Obama’s talking points about how this war is unjust and immoral and imperalistic and nation buliding. Man, this is going to be good!
Posted by: LAShores | February 18, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm
A one liner compared to entire speach is apples and oranges. Respond to the GOP guy who wrote you and ask him why he would rather face Obama then Hillary. Why else would he care?
Posted by: eleven22 | February 18, 2008, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm
Agree. Tempest in a teapot.
The best part of it: Obama admitted he made a mistake. That’s really refreshing. Not only has Clinton been incapable of doing that where her Iraq-war vote is concerned, but she also exhibits the same air of unreality about the moribund state of her own campaign (e.g., saying after the Potomac primaries that she “expected all along” that Obama would surpass her in pledged delegates.
Those Clinton people who are sitting in a room somewhere combing through Obama’s speeches and writings looking for gotcha’s might better spend their time looking at something important — like the delegate-allocation rules in Texas, which have been in place for years but the Clinton people just discovered. Amazing!
Posted by: jac13 | February 18, 2008, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm
Tapper once again, with an article slanted to support Obama.
Thanks, Jake.
Posted by: hildegard | February 18, 2008, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm
The phrases used by Sen. Obama which were used by Gov. Patrick are phrases coined by other historical figures.
The Clinton camp is desperate and it shows.
This is just the kind of political junk that I’m sick of.
As republican in San Antonio, I’m crossing lines and voting for Obama. I’m supporting McCain in the fall, but I, and many of my Republican friends, and voting Obama! TAKE HER OUT, REMOVE ALL DOUBT!!! :)
Posted by: Mistyeyes | February 18, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
Firefighter…you need to go back and read the rest of the article. At the bottom, it clearly stated this Republican thought Obama would be a more formidable candidate for the Republicans. I am paraphrasing here of course…go back and read the article.
Posted by: Read More | February 18, 2008, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
I think there could be some significant backlash against Clinton from raising this false controversy. Even those who know nothing about politics know that Clinton is being mighty hypocritical here. She’s trying to hold Obama to a higher standard than anyone else. They’ve been doing the same thing to Patrick in MA.
Posted by: Mike | February 18, 2008, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm
I totally agree with your Republican friend. All political speeches through the years have familiar lines with words like “change” and “make a difference.” Depending on the environment and the voters’ priorities, they get flipped around and switched all the time. Why else do we voters call it “same old, same old”?
It appears the Clinton campaign staff are trying to pull Obama off message and spend time and energy defending irrelevant minutae.
There are a lot of pessimists in this country right now that just may buy into these negative attacks and I believe the Clinton campaign hopes this will work, since nothing else has seemed to. However,IMO I think the majority of Americans will see this as political maneuvering done from desperate people who are becoming more frantically reckless with each passing day.
If this is all the Clintons can focus on instead of putting forth Hillary’s positive aspects, they are in deep trouble.
Posted by: kate, texas | February 18, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
WE,THE PEOPLE! WE,THE PEOPLE OF THE “UNITED” STATES OF AMERICA IN ORDER TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION…
HILLARY HAS NO MORE PAGES TO TURN.
MY RHETORIC: WE WILL NOT PLAY WITH THIS ELECTION! PEOPLE GET READY-Y-Y-Y!!
BARACK OBAMA(MR. PRESIDENT, 2009) WILL GO INTO DENVER AS AN ‘INDEPENDENT’ CANDIDATE AGAINST RON PAUL!! AIN’T NO STOPPING US NOW………..WE’RE LEAVING THE NEGATIVE PEOPLE WAY-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y BEHIND…..MCCAIN HAS NO MORE PAGES TO TURN, EITHER
IT IS NOT ABOUT THEM, IT’S ABOUT U.S.
Posted by: MS KITTI | February 18, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
“They know they can beat Obama but they are afraid of going up against Clinton.”
After Hillary has managed to make so many in her own party hate her? They would love to go against Hillary. She’s running one of the most self-defeating, depressing, tone deaf campaigns I’ve ever seen.
Posted by: Carl | February 18, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
oh come on, this was more than lifting a pharse or two or even a slogan. The entire speech was a copy of soemthing that worked for soemone else. I hope the American public can wake up and turn this around before it is too late… WISCONSIN – Listen up. Dont be fooled by empty words.
Posted by: Chipo | February 18, 2008, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm
Firefighter… Hillary will have to get past us yellow dog democrats first if she is ever going to have to worry about the Repugnants!
Obama is the best choice in November, and I will be proud to call him Mr. President in January 2009.
Posted by: Jackt51 | February 18, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
I am just astonished at the lack of claw in this Clinton attack. Perhaps this is one of the periodic down times she has.
Posted by: flyover | February 18, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
kate, texas ,
Are you so blind to see the point she was making?
Obama was making a statement that words mean a lot of things. She was making the statement that if words mean so much , why are you using someone elses words!
u people it’s right in front of your faces, does the hammer have to hit the nail for you to see that it can?
Posted by: eleven22 | February 18, 2008, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm
Obama has a strong pull on his cult-like following, hopefully in defeat he can reach across to Hillary and offer his support. It seems doubtful he has left room for his followers to do the same. Please dont make us loose this election to McCain and whatever relic he oicks for his running mate
Posted by: Chipo | February 18, 2008, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm
What is interesting here is the fact that the Republicans claim it would be tougher to compete against the Ill. Senator. Yet when the opportunity is there for arguments that weaken the Senator, thus making the challenge beneficial to Republicans, they come to his defense. Continuing their attacks against Hillary Clinton. I am no psychologist, but the real fear is blatantly obvious.
Posted by: irma | February 18, 2008, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm
I feel the tide turning back to Hillary….. it is inevitable, that is the way the American public works… put ‘em on a pedistal and tear them down. Only the strong survive to fight another day… your day in the sun is over Mr. Obama, go home
Posted by: Chipo | February 18, 2008, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm
Thank your Republican friend for his honesty and candor by defending Barak Obama in this sad maneuver to discredit him. I knew there were some good Republicans out there. That’s one reason I am an Independant. :-)
Posted by: Mary | February 18, 2008, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm
Obama feels that words are so meaningless he will steal them from someone else.
Posted by: geevill | February 18, 2008, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm
Firefighter, I and many of my friends think that you are wrong, personally I think that they are more afrraid of Obama, because of his honesty, which is hard to beat.
Posted by: I Moller | February 18, 2008, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm
Big fuss!!. Give me a break. Obama did not invent “Change” Bunker metality is not Bush’s trademark. It the eloquency of using the right words at the right time that makes a person a great speaker.
Posted by: mahender goriganti | February 18, 2008, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm
You know it’s pretty sad when Clinton has nothing better to do with her time than this! REALLY sad!
Lady:
1) fight on the basis of your OWN proposals, not take others’ ’cause you can’t come up with your own!
2) if you are going to quote someone’s stand on the issues, GET IT RIGHT!
3) stop treating the American voters like they are SUTPID!
4) stick with the issues! The only one you damage with stuff like this is YOURSELF!
Posted by: NanD | February 18, 2008, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm
Obama is big enough to defend himself, doesn’t need
help from nobody.
Citizen.
Posted by: vduarte | February 18, 2008, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
Hillary doesn’t have to borrowed words, to make a
good speech, the republicans are aware, of her talent
that;s why are attacking her.
Posted by: vduarte | February 18, 2008, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm
The Republican is right and this was silly as an attempt to disparage Obama.
BUT…perhaps the real point was to remind people of Biden’s ‘plagiarism’ incident. Biden is a very strong VP possibility. If Clinton can’t be President, she may want the VP slot. This could have been a pre-emptive attack to get Biden off the list.
What say you?
Posted by: Tom J | February 18, 2008, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm
Thanks for the compliment. You get used by a GOP operative to boost Obama, since the GOP clearly wants to run against the ultra liberal Obama. And then when I offer my observation, you delete it. Nice freedom of speech. The GOP wrote the book on ruthlessness. They don’t help any Democrat unless they want to sabotage another. Period.
Posted by: hopesprings52 | February 18, 2008, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm
I think that Obama has truly gotten under the Clinton’s skin. This is all they’ve got? Won’t it be a pleasure to hear Barack speak after listening to GWB for 8 years? Although, Hillary is NOT out of this, even though this latest flap makes it seem like she should be; she should focus on what she is doing, not on what Obama is saying.
Posted by: Alox | February 18, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm
Clinton, take two: Hillary steals husband’s best lines
Independent, The (London), Apr 7, 2006 by Rupert Cornwell in Washington
The evidence that she is after her husband’s old White House job grows stronger by the day. Hillary Clinton has long been stealing her husband’s policies. Now she’s (almost) pinching his best lines.
“There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be fixed by what is right about America,” Mrs Clinton, former first lady and currently junior Democratic senator from New York, said in the peroration of a speech to a Hispanic group this week.
Sound familiar? It was. Scroll back to Bill’s first inaugural address and his peroration then, to which Hillary was obviously listening very closely. “There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right with America,” the 42nd President told the nation on 20 January 1993.
Posted by: dkbella | February 18, 2008, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm
The GOP has won every presidential election but 3 since 1968. They’ve done it with Dirty Tricks, the “White House Plumbers”, G. Gordon Liddy and brutally vicious attack strategists like Lee Atwater and Karl Rove. Any attacks by Dems are nothing compared to what the GOP puts up to hold onto their power. If this guy called you to boost Obama he knew what he was doing, believe me.
Posted by: hopesprings52 | February 18, 2008, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm
June 07, 2005
Hillary Steals Gingrich Speech, Substituting Republicans for Democrats
NEW YORK, New York — Hillary Clinton attacked the GOP at a “Women for Hillary” speech in New York, but Newt Gingrich has identified her speech as his own with the words changed to reflect Republican bashing instead of Democrat bashing.
“I read the article about her speech this morning and said ‘My God, that’s my speech!’” said Gingrich. “I’m looking into legal action right away. I gave the speech at a Republican meeting in 1994 in order to rally the troops.”
Senator Clinton’s notes were confiscated by the police, and some excerpts are shown below:
Left unchallenged, Republican leaders could ram through extremist judges, wreck Social Security, and make unacceptable concessions to China, Saudi Arabia and other nations that finance the United States budget deficit.
- There has never been an administration, I don’t believe in our history, more intent upon consolidating and abusing power to further their own agenda .
- I know it’s frustrating for many of you, it’s frustrating for me. Why can’t the Democrats do more to stop them? I can tell you this: It’s very hard to stop people who have no shame about what they’re doing. It is very hard to tell people that they are making decisions that will undermine our checks and balances and constitutional system of government who don’t care. It is very hard to stop people who have never been acquainted with the truth.
- We can’t ever, ever give in to the Republican agenda. It isn’t good for New York and it isn’t good for America.
- It’s shocking when you see how easily they fold in the media today. They don’t stand their ground. If they’re criticized by the White House, they just fall apart .
Posted by: dkbella | February 18, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
Damn right, Obama is no Joe Biden! Joe Biden is one hell of a lot more qualified to be president than Obama! And anyone who trots out that lame old plagerism story, perpetrated by the Dukakis campaign, is either doing it out of orneriness or ignorance of the real story!
Posted by: Cacatua | February 18, 2008, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm
eleven22,
My point was that this whole issue is irrelevant.
I am a teacher and I take a charge of plagiarism very seriously.This isn’t plagiarism.I was agreeing with the Republican defending Obama in this article, that in the world of politics everyone borrows lines and catch phrases from everyone else…and the general public expects it. I didn’t feel this subject even warranted a response from Obama. Certainly, not something like, Well she stole my lines, too. It shows immaturity in both cases and doesn’t reflect well on Democrats at all. Sounds like kids on a playground…”He said…No, she said…But, he said…” What a waste of time!!!
What’s important to me and how I vote is a candidate’s stand on the issues.Not some pretty words they use in a stump speech. Things like the 4,000 “dead” soldiers from this asinine war. There’s a word you can’t put too much spin on. “Dead” is “Dead” isn’t it? Little room for misinterpretation or blindness there.
So, give it a break and let’s move on to the real issues that this country needs to deal with and not get into infighting over semantics and borrowed cliches.
Posted by: kate, texas | February 18, 2008, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm
To Chipo who wrote,”oh come on, this was more than lifting a pharse or two or even a slogan. The entire speech was a copy of soemthing that worked for soemone else. I hope the American public can wake up and turn this around before it is too late… WISCONSIN – Listen up. Dont be fooled by empty words.”
Apparently you weren’t paying attention – this WAS NOT a whole speech, but rather a line used in response to Hillary’s contention that “words don’t matter”. Obama responded in a town hall meeting, using something that Deval Patrick had said previously. Get over it…
Posted by: Jules | February 18, 2008, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm
We look more like the Divided States of America!
Someone make the lady sit down and just be still!
John McCain will be president because the dem party can’t seem to keep their ‘house’ in order. The dem candidate will not have unity behind him or her come November.
The republicans already see the hand writing on the wall.
Posted by: LA in Indiana | February 18, 2008, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm
Isn’t ironic that folks have to defend BO, how can he manage a nation if he has to have babysitters, give used speeches, and have it that folks are afraid to say anything to or about him. Can’t he defend himself; how will he be able to defend us, I don’t have anything against BO but who will actually be in charge in the White House, this is truly sad!
Posted by: cmt | February 18, 2008, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm
This funny thing I’ve noticed through watching the whole democratic campaign is that the media is the one making the big deal out of everything, and when you look really closely (as I have), it’s nearly always Obama responding to Clinton’s attacks, but I have not seen him go after her, except on policies (which I agree is fair game), and it’s always been with a very civil tone of debating why he thinks his positions are better than hers. The way I see it, he seems pretty even tempered and focused on his message of bringing people together around a common purpose. It seems like it’s the media always stirring things up because they think it’s what we all want. Who knows, maybe a lot of people do, but frankly I’d rather focus on getting things done that are important, not this petty stuff.
Posted by: Interested Party | February 18, 2008, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm
Rhetoric and other people’s merits is how Obama has made it this far in his run for the White House. It is always about comparing himself to past presidents or past civil rights leaders. He has no experience so he has to borrow ideas, speeches and celebrities to get elected. A REAL CHANGE is to put a woman in the White House!!!
Hillary 08
Posted by: mona | February 18, 2008, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm
Hillary is graping at straws….she knows she is facing a losing proposition and hasn’t found anything substantive to challenge Obama. Maybe it’s time for her to cry again for sympathy votes. I for one am not only impressed with Barack’s vision and honesty, but also his remarkable restraint from Clinton’s smarmy attempts at criticism. Obama 2008!!!
Posted by: Scot | February 18, 2008, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm
He is so right! I would add that politicians like the Clintons would grab anything to destroy someone’s image. They want to create an environment of distraction in their attempts to hault Obama’s momentum. That’s classic, weak political strategy. People will not buy into it.
Posted by: Felix Mendez | February 18, 2008, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm
Obama borrows from more. German Chancellor around 1933, when he was young.
Also many many red book quotations. You look at book, I see many very very resemblance.Now AM happy happy China is really like US.
Posted by: Liwai from China | February 18, 2008, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
When you reach the stage of desperation, you resort to the inevitable: Forget about decency or decorum; even to the point of becoming petty and pathetic! The Clintons are renown for that.
It is no surprising that Hillary, having run out all conceivable good arguments to counter Obama’s ever strengthening movement for change, has now stooped to the despicable character assassination by accusing Obama of plagiarism. Perhaps it’s the last straw left in her depleting arsenal for her to grab on to.
Deval Patrick, the man whose speech Obama is accused of stealing, himself has debunked this allegation by saying he and Obama are friends and share thoughts and words frequently. So, you see Hillary, your mud doesn’t stick. Run a clean campaign, and, maybe, there is still a slim chance to salvage whatever little decency you may still have.
Posted by: John Santiago | February 18, 2008, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
Thank you for posting this
Posted by: Kit | February 18, 2008, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm
Has anyone noticed how the Republican conservative politicians and pundits are ALL saying Obama would be a better candidate for the Dems to put up against their guy? The Repubs haven’t said a word against BO but they keep knocking Hillary and saying she would be a poorer choice for the Dems to run. Do you think Bob Novak, Monica Crowley, the head of the RNC, the above-mentioned Repub politician, and all the other Republicans are the people the Dems should be taking advice from about our Presidential candidate. It seems so obvious when I hear the Republicans, without exception, touting Obama as a better candidate, that they have ammunition against Obama — or, as Pat Buchanan said on Sunday, “You wait” (in reference to what the Repubs can throw at Obama). They are obviously so afraid of running against Hillary that they are trying hard to influence the Democrats’ choice. Go, Hillary.
Posted by: Lori | February 18, 2008, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm
I say NO ONE will care ANYTHING about this. Not when the option is Hillary Clinton. Are you kidding us? Please.
Posted by: PJ | February 18, 2008, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm
Clinton, take two: Hillary steals husband’s best lines
Independent, The (London), Apr 7, 2006 by Rupert Cornwell in Washington
The evidence that she is after her husband’s old White House job grows stronger by the day. Hillary Clinton has long been stealing her husband’s policies. Now she’s (almost) pinching his best lines.
“There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be fixed by what is right about America,” Mrs Clinton, former first lady and currently junior Democratic senator from New York, said in the peroration of a speech to a Hispanic group this week.
Sound familiar? It was. Scroll back to Bill’s first inaugural address and his peroration then, to which Hillary was obviously listening very closely. “There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right with America,” the 42nd President told the nation on 20 January 1993.
Posted by: femogiga | February 18, 2008, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm
Obama is a plagiarizer – just words.
College kids get kicked out of college all the time if they plagiarize anyone.
Obama is running to be the president of the United States.
Posted by: Sam | February 18, 2008, 8:27 pm 8:27 pm
So this Republican emails a journalist, stating his opinion, but has no expectation of it going to print. A ha a ha ha a hahahahahahhaha. PALEEEEEZE!
Posted by: irma | February 18, 2008, 8:31 pm 8:31 pm
Who is this republican official? Why not give his name? Obama should address this mistake, and not use “everybody is doing it” excuse. He should stop using “The Little Engine That Could” at all his stops. It gets to be stale. This is another article attempting to give Obama a pass. Would a media person get a pass if he co-opted some of his colleagues articles or phrases? It’s sorta like copying from someone’s paper, and submitting it as your own.
Posted by: Vivi | February 18, 2008, 8:46 pm 8:46 pm
If this is the best thing that Hillary Clinton has against him, he must be squeaky clean! I’m voting for him.
Posted by: PamelaV. | February 18, 2008, 9:40 pm 9:40 pm
For one, Patrick and Obama are good friends who borrow off each other at times. They even spoke about it in the Boston Globe last April.
Actually, it was Patrick who suggested that Obama use the lines.
I have also come to rethink that whole right wing conspiracy thing that democrats bought into back in the 90s. I was never a big Bill fan but, felt as a democrat that it may be true about that rwc.
However, as the campaign has progressed I wonder how much was right wing attacks and how much was simply the truth about the Clintons.
They have proven over the past months that alot of what the right was saying may have been true at least 50 to 70% of the time.
Posted by: vwcat | February 18, 2008, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm
I must double post. I have been reading the remarks and see that so many people are so blinded by the rhetoric of the other side is evil that democrats even hate each other.
And if people stepped back a few minutes they would know logically that not all republicans are evil and out to get a democrat.
Some very partisan ones – yes. But, it is simply part and parcel of the garbage by both sides that we sheep have bought into.
Simply because a republican tells Tapper something doesn’t mean there is anything more to it than simple facts and friendly advice.
Get a grip people.
If you don’t you are going to wake up one day and see how foolish you have been acting.
Posted by: vwcat | February 18, 2008, 10:31 pm 10:31 pm
When quoting at least know who said what. It was Senator Bensten who said “Senator, I served with Jack Kennedy, I knew Jack Kennedy, Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. Senator, you are no Jack Kennedy.” Not Reagan. This was during a vice presidential debate against Dan Quayle.
That being said, these charges of plagarism against Biden and Obama are both way out of line and to quote another great British writer “much ado about nothing” (Shakespeare)
Posted by: Cynthia | February 18, 2008, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm
you know i am about sick of sillary. she will stoop to this to win wisconsin? what about the issues? oh, that’s right, obama and hillary are not that different in their liberal positions. the only reason, i a registered republican, is supporting obama is because he, unlike the clintons, has character. yes, he has character, i said it.
Posted by: alberta | February 18, 2008, 10:59 pm 10:59 pm
We’ll see with the election results tomorrow but this is petty. This isn’t plagerism because Obama had the permission of the speechwriter, and the person who originally gave the speech, to use the line. If folks think that every single word out of a candidate’s mouth is an original idea, you need to take political campaigning 101. Every candidate, from the local city council candidate to folks running for President, have a staff of speechwriters and advisors who provide speeches for candidates. Many of these political pros work for various candidates so it’s understandable that a candidate could give a speech with a line or two used in another’s campaign. Every time Hillary has attempted to go negative on Barack it has backfired, we’ll see what impact it will have on the race. My guess is that the voters will see this move as another move by Hillary to do anything to win.
Posted by: harryo | February 18, 2008, 11:17 pm 11:17 pm
“(…) shows perhaps (Obama)’s focused on the race and unlike the Clintons understands that it’s not about him.”
Indeed. This tells a lot about the Clintons supposed ‘smartness’ the worst mistake you can do in campaigning is to make the campaign revolve around your opponent’s personality instead of pushing yours ahead. The more the HRC campaign goes negative, the more the higlight will be on Obama and that’s exactly what he needs: that one talks about him.
Posted by: Bernard San Gil | February 18, 2008, 11:25 pm 11:25 pm
I am usually a temperate and rational citizen and professional woman. But the Clintons’ nasty negative attacks on Senator Obama are so egregious that I am fit to be tied. As the Clintons continue to campaign in such unseemly manner as to make us Americans ashamed of having them once in the WH and still possibly back in 2009 for another eight years, I believe more and more that I will have no choice but to drop out of the Democratic Party and register as an independent. The Clintons’ legacy will be to lead to finally the emergence of a third independent party. Enough with the power-entrenched and blood-sport of the Democratic Parry machine. I understand now why NY Mayor Bloomberg has been reputed to say that he would not run as an independent should Senator Obama be the Democratic candidate but would do so if Hillary should be. He will become by default our standard bearer.
Posted by: shirlin | February 18, 2008, 11:45 pm 11:45 pm
As republican in San Antonio, I’m crossing lines and voting for Obama. I’m supporting McCain in the fall, but I, and many of my Republican friends, and voting Obama! TAKE HER OUT, REMOVE ALL DOUBT!!! :)
Thanks for making my point The republicans want Hillary out of the race because they are scared of her. She will get things done because she knows how Washington works. You can’t make change when you don’t have a clue.
Posted by: Firefighter | February 19, 2008, 12:18 am 12:18 am
Since Patrick and Obama are friends–and Patrick himself said he suggested to Obama that he use those speech lines–why is this news? Because Hillary and her circus said it was? I’m fed up with all things Clinton at this point. She steals Obama’s regularly and he’s made no big deal about it, so she and her campaign are desperate hypocrites.
Posted by: Chris B. | February 19, 2008, 12:56 am 12:56 am
You can all see how badly the Republicans want HRC out of the game. Example is Firefighter. He is a Republican thats voteing for Obama in Texas. They know they can tear him up and have him for breakfast. Scared of a woman.
Posted by: David | February 19, 2008, 1:19 am 1:19 am
The irony is, the point of the supposedly plagiarized phrase was that others’ words, e.g. famous sayings, are easily understood to be important. (So why does Clinton pretend to think that words are never important? Oh ya, it’s for her own negative rhetorical purposes and personal gain. I suppose rhetoric is acceptable to her as long as it’s used to attack rather than to inspire.) It is obvious that this is not plagiarism (can you imagine politicians footnoting their speeches – as Regan said…, as Lincoln said… ugh!). Well, the outcome of this primary will show is whether Americans are generally as stupid as in myth and whether there is any hope that America can overcome its current downward spiral.
Posted by: Douglas Hoen | February 19, 2008, 1:20 am 1:20 am
OK LET US TRY TO REFERENCE WHAT OBAMA SAID USING THE HAVARD REFERENCING SYSTEM.
IF U DO THAT YOU REALISE THAT ITS NOT JUST ENOUGH TO REFERENCE ONLY GOVERNOR DEVAL PATRICK. YOU WILL HAVE TO ALSO REFERENCE MLK,JFK AND ALL THOSE WHO MADE THE INNITIAL PHRASES. I DONT KNOW ANY SPEAKER WHO DOES THAT ALL OF THE TIME.
CLINTON CAN NOT TELL US THAT THE 13 PAGE ECONOMIC POLICY SHE UNVIELED TODAY WHERE ALL HER IDEAS. DID SHE REFERENCE ALL THE AIDES AND UNIVERSITY PROFESSORS SHE CONSULTED??????
THIS IS PURE DESPERATION BY THE CLINTON CAMP.
Posted by: Raymond Micheals | February 19, 2008, 8:13 am 8:13 am
Clinton says she has Solutions but the Solution she offered, when it really matterd to millions of lives of young people and to our country, was the Solution and Authorization to go to War –the Iraq War. In the Most Important Policy Decisiion of Our Times, the Iraq War, Hillary Clinton got it Wrong. Her 35 years of experience didn’t get it Right then, and that speaks Volumes…..
Let’s talk about getting Real. Just because Obama used a few lines from a political advisor and friend for a speech, they now want to muddy and cloud the issues by stating Obama is a Plagarist, which by definition means you are stealing someone’s words or lines without their knowlege, which is a very serious Charge. Is that her Solution to make this non-issue into something it’s not, to offer more Spin and Illusion, when they know full well exactly what it was and is, and because they too are guilty of the same thing, this borrowing of lines in political discourse and is common practice.
Her solution is to insult the intelligence of every day average, citizens by distorting this situation, which is total hypocrisy, because they too have done the same thing and are doing it NOW. They should apologize to the Country, for turning away from being so-called Real, as she likes to say, to puting out this kind of Slime, Distortion and Illusion into the water, trying to Cloud the issues — to Cloud Reality! If you are going to raise doubts about an oppenent, it should be about real facts and not about illusions, about truth and not about falsity.
And Words Do Matter, Words are Not Cheap!
Posted by: bacalove | February 19, 2008, 8:14 am 8:14 am
Be suspicious of republicans coming to Obama’s aide. These people are not our friends. There is a reason they want Obama to win. People, use your heads.
Posted by: An Opinion | February 19, 2008, 8:27 am 8:27 am
As an independent, I decided long ago to vote for someone other than Clinton. Let’s hope that he Republicans in Wisconon, Texas, etc. vote for Obama. Then we can have a civil campaign between Obama and McCain.
Posted by: D. Schumann | February 19, 2008, 10:59 am 10:59 am
i think that ultimately it is Barack Obama’s style, intelligence, and character that force people like this GOPer who otherwise would lambast him into having respect for him and stating so for the record.
Barack Obama is not liberal. he is a moderate. and what we could definitely use more of in today’s world is moderation and empathy, not cynicism and extremism.
sometimes i wonder if the Clintons themselves are not part of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, with the way they’re fracturing the Dems.
as for this MESS, there is nothing new under the sun. pep talks from your speechwriter and advisor are bound to give you some overlaps from time to time.
he didn’t attribute the quotations from lincoln and the other folks either…why is it such a big deal just because Patrick’s words are lesser known?
the Clintons are spending major time on minor things.
Obama has the energy on his side for now, and i hope it continues. he knows no man is an island, but he also serves as a harbinger of the type of politicians, candidates we need to see moving forward. in pitiful contrast, the Clintons have become the very epitome of the enemies they struggled against for so long, and i am tired of them.
it’s not about Obama being of mixed heritage, it’s not just about “Yes We Can” it’s about that part in him that has not been deflowered by the frustration of politics as usual in America that people are responding to.
that is what is inspiring people. and Shrillary can’t comprehend it, imitate it, or deliver it herself. that’s why she’s so up in arms.
Hillary supporters AND Obama supporters need to chill and realize this is an important election. vote your head, your heart, your conscience, whatever, but please don’t vote just out of pride, obstinacy or some insane desire to vote “against” the other person.
this is OUR country, guys…Dems, GOP, Indies, black, white, latino, asian, allllllll of us.
we’re in this boat together, ride or die, sink or swim together.
we are all Americans, and everybody on the GOP side is not bad or evil or part of a conspiracy. it is very telling when you have former Clinton advisors on TV standing against the Clintons and their missteps.
—yet another Democrat who will GLEEFULLY vote GOP if hillary is the nominee.
Posted by: ife | February 19, 2008, 11:24 am 11:24 am
I believe we should have a female president of our country, but not Hillary Clinton. And, yes, she does remind me of Kerry Healey, down and out and embarrassing her party.
Obama’s words are Patrick’s words are our nation’s words to our founding documents. Therefore, there is no improper misuse of words. I was there when Patrick made that speech and I’m so glad Obama is reminding us of his words. Let all of America know them well.
Posted by: Sue | February 19, 2008, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm
That the person he stole lines from endorsed his doing so is utterly irrelevant—just as it does not absolve students when they buy term papers on line because they have the “permission” of the seller to use the paper in their class for a grade.
The real concern that Obama devotees should seriously worry about is that this man is all about theatrics and style. Other countries will know immediately they are dealing with a rookie and will take advantage of him thereby bringing severe peril to the US. The very fact that BO thinks that what’s most important is getting people excited should alarm us! As if cheerleading is going to save us when we get caught in wars around the world because of BOs slips. This is the man, recall, who declared he would attack in Pakistan without their leader’s permission, given “actionable intelligence” about terrorists there. We all know how uncertain “intelligence” is and yet BO is prepared to use such rhetoric! Maybe if we weren’t currently faced with enormous world threats one could take a chance on a feel good, talk good president—in 2008 it will likely mean disaster!
Posted by: Philosopher | February 19, 2008, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm
If “other countries will know they are dealing with a rookie,” why is that ALL of the European nations — with the exception of Great Britain — want Obama to win the White House?
Posted by: Catpurrson | February 19, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
OOPS! MISTAKE!
The polls show that Obama can beat McCain, but that McCain will beat CLINTON.
Sorry, folks.
Posted by: Catpurrson | February 19, 2008, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm
The British don’t want Obama in the WH because their whole Empire was based on the subjugation of “brown and black” people. The Brits are the cornerstone of assumed white supremacy (Rudyard Kipling poems?) and their ambivalence about Obama is obvious. America inherited the same assumption only a white person should be a leader.
They only got rid of slavery because they lacked a large land mass to use it as effectively as the US. All of those colonies and Ghandi’s struggles weren’t for show. The Brits still have parades called “Darkie Day” to mark the end of slavery there. They wear blackface and honestly believe its not offensive.
And for all of you terrified of Obama going up against the Rethuglicans, I think your real fear is that white bigotry will be exposed for what it is. Because in reality, that’s ALL the Rethuglicans can use.
And that makes you uncomfortable. What Rethuglicans will say about Obama will expose the guilt of your own racial feelings. Be honest.
Posted by: ROB | February 19, 2008, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm
“why is that ALL of the European nations — with the exception of Great Britain — want Obama to win the White House?”
Because they want to end the US dominance on the world stage. Great Britain is the only true friend that US ever has.
Posted by: Roger | February 19, 2008, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm
It was noted in a political roundtable that McCain prefered to run against Hillary Clinton because he respects her, and he has little respect for Obama because he had given his support on a bill and then backed out, not a man of his word. gosh i can already hear the wailing in the background..trust me McCain won’t have to keep the gloves on against Obama like Hillary has, and what he can’t say the Swift boaters will, there will be “hussein ads” asking americans if they want a president with a terrorist name..and here we go back to the fearmongering that has allowed Bush 8 years. there are so many negatives in making Obama our nominee. America will be so scared that he will lose in a lanslide. so if you can’t take any heat now you better put your diapers on for the big one
Posted by: sandra | February 20, 2008, 12:19 am 12:19 am
Anyone knows whats is next for the Clinton’s strategy. I think we should keep it low as those guys are slying foxes.
Posted by: Kunle | February 20, 2008, 9:11 am 9:11 am
Anyone ever reasoned that McCain only wants to set Clinton’s up as he would bring out the old cloak of Monica Lewinski… that will be a landslide reminder that he is back if not close to the oval office. For this reeason alone, Obama is WELL GUARDED!
Posted by: Kerry S | February 20, 2008, 9:24 am 9:24 am
Monica Lewinski cost Algore, the stinch cost Kerry, now for America to see the feud between Clinton’s camp, is good news for a big win for Obama, seeing he will be supported by Independents and replublicans who wants out of Iraq.
Posted by: Kerry S | February 20, 2008, 9:27 am 9:27 am
HRC has been ephasizing expirence more than a thousand times.
I am lost here, she has never been a president, how could she have had expirience. She has only been a senator as long as Obama was, where is she getting this from…
Except she will be the figure head, with Bill runing the show, b’cos that is the only person closest to her with Expirence.
…So here is the thing, she has a meeting with “her” cabinet and has an issue that does not seem to have a resolution. She tells the cabinet to sit back while she goes in a coner and call Bill who is by sitting at the beach for an answer… Men this is twisted!
Posted by: Kunle | February 20, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm