And Obama Wept
Inspiration is nice. But some folks seem to be getting out of hand.
It’s as if Tom Daschle descended from on high saying, "Be not afraid; for behold I bring you good tidings of great joy which shall be to all the people: for there is born to you this day in the city of Chicago a Savior, who is Barack the Democrat."
Obama supporter Kathleen Geier writes that she’s "getting increasingly weirded out by some of Obama’s supporters. On listservs I’m on, some people who should know better – hard-bitten, not-so-young cynics, even – are gushing about Barack…
Describing various encounters with Obama supporters, she writes, "Excuse me, but this sounds more like a cult than a political campaign. The language used here is the language of evangelical Christianity – the Obama volunteers speak of ‘coming to Obama’ in the same way born-again Christians talk about ‘coming to Jesus.’…So I say, we should all get a grip, stop all this unseemly mooning over Barack, see him and the political landscape he is a part of in a cooler, clearer, and more realistic light, and get to work."
Joe Klein, writing at Time, notes "something just a wee bit creepy about the mass messianism" he sees in Obama’s Super Tuesday speech.
"We are the ones we’ve been waiting for," Obama said. "This time can be different because this campaign for the presidency of the United States of America is different. It’s different not because of me. It’s different because of you."
Says Klein: "That is not just maddeningly vague but also disingenuous: the campaign is entirely about Obama and his ability to inspire. Rather than focusing on any specific issue or cause — other than an amorphous desire for change — the message is becoming dangerously self-referential. The Obama campaign all too often is about how wonderful the Obama campaign is. “
The always interesting James Wolcott writes that "(p)erhaps it’s my atheism at work but I found myself increasingly wary of and resistant to the salvational fervor of the Obama campaign, the idealistic zeal divorced from any particular policy or cause and chariot-driven by pure euphoria. I can picture President Hillary in the White House dealing with a recalcitrant Republican faction; I can’t picture President Obama in the same role because his summons to history and call to hope seems to transcend legislative maneuvers and horse-trading; his charisma is on a more ethereal plane, and I don’t look to politics for transcendence and self-certification."
Then there’s MSNBC’s Chris Matthews who tells Felix Gillette in the New York Observer, “I’ve been following politics since I was about 5. I’ve never seen anything like this. This is bigger than Kennedy. [Obama] comes along, and he seems to have the answers. This is the New Testament."
And behold, Obama met them and greeted them. And they came up and took hold of His feet and worshiped Him.
The Holy Season of Lent is upon us. Can Obama worshippers try to give up their Helter-Skelter cult-ish qualities for a few weeks?
At least until Easter, or the Pennsylvania primary, whichever comes first…
- jpt
UPDATE: Let me be clear: I’m not saying there shouldn’t be enthusiasm in politics. I’m merely touching on the fact that some Obama supporters’ exhuberance seems to be getting a little out of hand. Obama himself joked about this at a Hollywood fundraiser, as noted in Men’s Vogue:
“When Morgan Freeman comes over to greet Obama, the senator begins bowing down both hands in worship. ‘This guy was president before I was,’ says Obama, referring to Freeman’s turn in Deep Impact and, clearly, getting a little ahead of his own bio. Next, a nod to Bruce Almighty: ‘This guy was God before I was.’”
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Basing a conclusion on opinions posted on listserves and blogs. Now there’s a winning strategy. And anyway, people are enthusiastic about their candidate. Isn’t that a good thing? same goes for Huckabee supporters, McCain supporters, Romney supporters, and Clinton supporters. Isn’t that what we want?
Posted by: DKNY | February 7, 2008, 9:55 am 9:55 am
This is silly. “Weirded out” by Obama supporters? The first time you see someone stepping outside of their comfort zone to join in a cause your first reaction is to ridicule them back into their box. What good does that do anyone? And calling his supporters a “cult” is way out of line. As a Hillary supporter who sees their movement, I’m inspired. I believe Hillary is a better candidate, but I don’t demonize or try to demean their movement.
Posted by: Blake | February 7, 2008, 9:57 am 9:57 am
The problem here is not supporters of the other candidates, it is the fact that the Obama supporters are obsessed over an individual who has not shown to take a stand on any issues, he answers in general to appease both sides.
It starts me to think of Revelations, on the anti-christ and how the end of the world is perdicted for Dec 12, 2012 just towards the end of the next presidents term!!
Posted by: spock | February 7, 2008, 9:59 am 9:59 am
People are weeping cause they can’t stand the thought of Bush in office another day.
So this is what they call journalism these days.
Posted by: WIK | February 7, 2008, 10:02 am 10:02 am
People talk of OBAMA like he’s the Anti Christ. As a Democrat, I confess, I’m tired of all the Obama-Mania. I just want someone in the White House who will produce results and work hard, not someone who will be all flash and dash. I’m voting Hillary 2008.
Posted by: NoObama | February 7, 2008, 10:03 am 10:03 am
So far, I understand that Obama is for puppies, apple pie, baseball, and hope. I have not heard one single issue that he’s taken a stance on. That’s why you have to look at his (tiny) voting record. When he does vote one way or another, it is always on the socialist side. He’s the most liberal senator in DC, and with the crop we have in there no, that is no small statement.
Posted by: Randy | February 7, 2008, 10:05 am 10:05 am
Is the adoration of Obama so different than the GOP’s daily invocation of the name of Reagan on right wing radio and Republican servic… political events. When Americans get excited by a political personality it always seems to drift into the vocabulary of a “call from on high.”
Posted by: JB | February 7, 2008, 10:06 am 10:06 am
Obama is no underdog, and having all this money to blow on rallies where he chants rhetoric is a “waste.” Hillary doesn’t need rallies, just stick to your policies and plans.
Obama cult, that is scary. How weak we are?
Posted by: Maria | February 7, 2008, 10:06 am 10:06 am
Oh, the backlash…the cynicism…I am thrilled and excited and even feeling like it’s a miracle that our country can come back and we can be proud of a leader again. It’s not a cult, and this article is typical NBC Hillary crap.
Posted by: Susan Polos | February 7, 2008, 10:06 am 10:06 am
Wait til people take a close look at Obama’s actual church. Yikes!
Posted by: edh | February 7, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am
Of Course, Obama is godlike for the godless.
Posted by: Tim Schmig | February 7, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am
Anyone seen the movie “Bob Roberts”?
Posted by: Paradigm | February 7, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am
The comments are literally 100% emotional and devoid of the slightest rational considerations. Most of them know absolutely nothing about who he is or what his positions are yet sound like they are ready to pledge their lives to him, not just their votes. Some of them say they are crying after the video which is full of the usual rhetorical platitudes he spouts.
Posted by: Sam39 | February 7, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am
Thinking about it deeply there’s no choice here more than voting Barack Obama all the way & going for Hillary Clinton is like jumping from “FRY PAN TO FIRE”
Posted by: Abdul Olufowobi | February 7, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am
This is an absolutely embarrassing story. For decades, we have lamented American apathy towards politics. Now that a candidate has finally come along who actually inspires people, it’s a cult.
The myth that Obama’s campaign lacks substance is absurd. He has more specific policy proposals than any other candidate. All you need to do is a little research. Stop catering to the stigma that all optimist candidates lack substance. It’s lazy and it damages our politics.
Posted by: Bryan | February 7, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am
A great example of this was a puff piece ABC did Wednesday morning on their early new show (prior to GMA). Near the end, they showed an extended clip from Obama’s speech, glowingly spoke of how he was viewed in America, then posed the question of how he was viewed in other countries? Of course, every person they spoke to in every country was gushing over Obama. STOP THE MADNESS! The press needs to ask specific questions on policy, and not let any candidate (particularly Obama) slide into vague generalities about change. Keep asking the questions until the American people know exactly who and what they are voting for. The Obama-gasm we see today is pure swoon. His fitness for the highest office in the world is a serious question yet to be answered.
Posted by: Show-Me MO | February 7, 2008, 10:08 am 10:08 am
One word for Obama: Charisma
That’s what JFK had, that’s what Ronald Reagan had, it scares the crap out of ideologues who believe only substance should matter, which rationally that’s what should matter. But in the end “The Masses” support the one with the most charisma. Nothin’ you can do. Get over it.
Posted by: Joe Moody | February 7, 2008, 10:08 am 10:08 am
people are desperate for change not only in the white house but socially! and Obama can bring that to the U.S. not Hillary. If Hillary wins the Nomination, I’d rather take my chances in the world and vote for Mccain instead.
Posted by: goldstein | February 7, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am
It is kind of strange all the religious words as if this is the second coming of Christ. It does make one wonder what is really going on with these people, no one should be placed on a higher pedestal than God, and all this nonsense like “for there is born to you this day in the city of Chicago a Savior, who is Barack the Democrat.” This is really getting to be a bit too much for one to take, maybe that is why the label of cult now seems to be hanging on Obama’s head, it is really getting pathetic now.
Posted by: SJ | February 7, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am
Betty – you are a moron if you think MSNBC is being unfair posting articles about Hillary spending her own money on her campaign. Have you read the news later? It’s all about Obama. Maybe if you were to think outside the box you’d realize that MSNBC is completely biased toward Obama and have been from the start.
Posted by: derrick | February 7, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am
Shame on you. For anyone who thinks that he hasn’t taken a stance on policy issues, have you actually done your research? His message is about uniting the country and trying to tackle the policy goals ahead of us. And the way to break Obama down is to accuse those who are believers as cult members? Oh okay, well then I guess I will start accusing Reaganites of being Satanists, after all he never followed his own “Reagan-esque” ideals. Just because people are inspired doesn’t mean they are misinformed.
Posted by: Jenn | February 7, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am
This is exactly what some of us have been saying. The creepy Jim Jones like followers of Obama. A bunch of goobily gook about change and “We(?)can do it”.
A bunch of sad, clueless yound people looking for something or someone to latch onto.
Posted by: geevill | February 7, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am
Hmmm…doesn’t this remind anyone of Republicans and Ronald Reagan, then and now?
Sounds to me like another movement is afoot…
PS–by the way, one look at the blogs at the Obama website does make this article ring true in a bit of a creepy way. But, for those who keep talking about “all flash and no substance”, try reading his views on all the issues (or reading policy speeches of his)–really substantive and detailed (especially on education and foreign policy)
Posted by: RSNC | February 7, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am
Thank you!! Finally people seem to be noticing that the Obama campaign is Messianic. You cannot disagree with anything Obama or you are a racist!
It reminds me of the 2000 campaign when the press fell in love with Bush…he is the man I would want to have beer with…a “nice guy”, remeber the nicknames?Gore was just awful blah blah..a liar and worse!
Give Hillary the same coverage as Obama.
Posted by: Irene | February 7, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am
Any honest assessment quickly reveals that Obama has been releasing VERY detailed policies. The media just doesn’t cover them, the media only covers the general info.
Take, for example, the economic stimulus plan. His plan was MORE detailed than Clinton’s plan, and his plan actually called for rebates. Clinton didn’t call for rebates until nearly a week after Obama.
He has a flushed out economic plan, energy plan, health care plan, foreign policy plan, social security plan, etc etc etc. The people in the media just need to start covering it. When he gives a speech on the economy, or had the several-hour round table on foreign policy, it was below tabloid and gossip headlines in EVERY major newspaper.
Posted by: Ron | February 7, 2008, 10:11 am 10:11 am
Enthusiasm and participation in politics…it must be stopped!
Posted by: Nick | February 7, 2008, 10:11 am 10:11 am
Hillary is the anti christ so that does make Obama a saviour of sorts.
If Hillary can being up this much anti sentiment in her own party imagine wht she will di in a general election!?
Posted by: Jeff | February 7, 2008, 10:11 am 10:11 am
This article is dead-on accurate. Obama is benefitting from the process of group-think as I’ve never seen it in my 50+ years. I believe it’s simply become a P.C. thing, as that is the guiding light for most Dems and libs. Always easy to take the P.C. road, you know.
Posted by: LD | February 7, 2008, 10:11 am 10:11 am
“As a mother, and as a daughter, a sister, an aunt, a female, a stay at home mom, a neighbor of a mill worker, an immigrant, and a resident of Illinois I’m appalled that people disapprove of Hillary’s actions.
BTW I’m black.”
And you also probably paid by Clinton to write that post. How contrived. Can’t you people try to be a little less suspicious?
Posted by: Mike | February 7, 2008, 10:12 am 10:12 am
Paradigm, I could not agree more with what you stated. These people are searching for anything. Sad but he is not the way…
Posted by: Jim | February 7, 2008, 10:12 am 10:12 am
“As a mother, and as a daughter, a sister, an aunt, a female, a stay at home mom, a neighbor of a mill worker, an immigrant, and a resident of Illinois I’m appalled that people disapprove of Hillary’s actions.
BTW I’m black.”
And you also probably paid by Clinton to write that post. How contrived. Can’t you people try to be a little less suspicious?
Posted by: Mike | February 7, 2008, 10:12 am 10:12 am
So now it’s come to this? Suggesting those who are supporting Obama are part of a cult?
How condescending and insulting.
Give me a break.
Posted by: JW | February 7, 2008, 10:12 am 10:12 am
Calling the Obama campaign a cult is an insult to everyone involved in choosing a democratic candidate for the US presidency. I urge journalists to watch JFK’s videos leading up to his nomination then election; the response to him by the public is feverish with die hard loyalty for a man and his cause. Obama is tapping into the same root feeling that this country has not seen in 40 years, and you call it a cult. Shame on you for your shortsightedness and lack historical perspective. And yes, I am voting for Obama after recently leaving the Hillary camp.
Posted by: Jason | February 7, 2008, 10:12 am 10:12 am
All Sen. Clinton, or an intrepid reporter has to do is ask Obama one question: “Where’s the beef?”
Posted by: rocco | February 7, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am
when all else fails…rip senator kennedy, cry, play broke, play a cult…
nice hillary…
Posted by: kathleen | February 7, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am
All Sen. Clinton, or an intrepid reporter has to do is ask Obama one question: “Where’s the beef?”
Posted by: rocco | February 7, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am
I think it goes to show just how in need the American Peopl are for real leadership. He is the only candidate not promising to do something for them, but to work with them to get things done. How many decades has it been since we had so honest a candidate? Hillary is a great politician, but you can see that she is calculating, she is looking for the best advantage for her.
Posted by: Louis | February 7, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am
Is it really any different than any other candidate with a following? Sure the language varies, but its only language. Basically, the author is a Hillary supporter. He supports her because of the language she uses and the way she presents her self.
Posted by: Joe | February 7, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am
Well, ABC has been gushing over the Clinton for 15 years now. Tit for tat?
Posted by: Gennifer | February 7, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am
FINALLY! A news story that is not anti Hillary Clinton. This is the most “dead on” article about Obama so far. It does seem like a cult. His followers seem almost like sheep. It’s scary. His diciples/followers are so taken in that they don’t question any thing about him like only 30 something months in the Senate (most spent running for President), his arrogance, exactly WHERE all this money is coming from???
Posted by: fay | February 7, 2008, 10:14 am 10:14 am
Fist off, people on the Internet generally represent the extremes, not the averages. Second, people are so fatigued by the last 16 years (no matter which side they’re on) that the promise of something new is very alluring. It also helps that the man is likable and knows how to give a good speech. I really don’t see how his popularity can surprise anyone.
Posted by: Chris | February 7, 2008, 10:14 am 10:14 am
It’s no more ‘out of hand’ than the media’s participation in The Coronation of Hillary over the last year. That REALLY creeped me out.
Obama supporters are desperate for a united country – something we haven’t had in the last 16 years. Something a Clinton can’t offer. Something that only Obama seems to have the ability to do.
It’s a shame that you can’t participate in the optimism.
Posted by: w | February 7, 2008, 10:15 am 10:15 am
Its nice to see how the cynics come out of the woodcwork when a politician finally comes out and says, you should play a role in your government. True to our lazy American ways, we want a “leader” who will promise us the moon and stars without bringing us into the process at all. And of course, failing to deliver.
Posted by: Liz | February 7, 2008, 10:15 am 10:15 am
Wow… I’m a rational, 25 year old war veteran/law student who is actively supporting Obama. To insinuate that a cultish movement is the reason for his popularity is incredibly irresponsible. After 7 years of what we have had, are you surprised about people wanting change?
The reason I like him is the prospect of him seeing law through the lens of the Constitution (he was a Con Law professor at U Chicago). I also enjoy his moderate federalist views on issues more than I like the heavy federalism coming from Hillary. You want to know why he appeals to people? It isn’t because of hollow rhetoric, it is because his ability to inspire is, in fact, followed with a plan that will do good for our country (in my own opinion).
So, if you have had a couple strange encounters with Obama supporters, you should probably attempt to step back yourself and not fall victim to opining from the perspective of a limited sample. Also, to the person who made the revelations parallel, the anti-christ is going to come from a former Roman province. I don’t think Hawaii qualifies. If you are going to practice fundamentalism, it pays to know what the Bible says.
Posted by: Dan | February 7, 2008, 10:15 am 10:15 am
I think that things have become so bad in this country and for the first time people are feeling inspired. This has nothing to do with cultism. People just really want a change in political attitude and a new voice from Chicago gives people hope. I think the writer is correct: this is completely different from anything anyone has ever seen.
Posted by: Carlos | February 7, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am
Senator Obama delivers great results, great speeches and people like him. Americans are uplifted and motivated. I think ABC wants Americans to go back asleep. Thank God we don’t have to get our news from just 3 networks anymore. Who hired this idiot to report for ABC? This is news?
Posted by: Neil | February 7, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am
OBAMA LEADS IN STATES WON AND IN DELEGATES. NOW WE HEAR THAT SUPERDELEGATES INCLUDE FORMER PRESIDENTS. HOW UNFAIR IS THAT….AMERICANS VOTED AND WANT OBAMA. BUT THE LIKES OF BILL CLINTON AND OTHERS CAN OVERRIDE THE AMERICANS VOTE AND CHOOSE HILLARY. WHATS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE. CULT….GIVE ME A BREAK. WE WANT CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Cathy | February 7, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am
I think the reason that you see this type of response to this candidate is because people are feeling very bad in this country and they are desperate to believe in something positive. Obama and Clinton are both very capable leaders and they both seem to have very concrete ideas about how they want to lead the nation. However, there is something special about having the gift to lift spirits. How will that translate into action? Who knows, but I don’t see anything wrong with giving this guy a chance.
Posted by: Kelly | February 7, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am
Obama doesn’t give stump speeches, he gives sermons. He is going to save us all from the evils of Washington. He is going to unite the world.
No wonder why his fundraising $$$ are so high.
Hallelujah and Amen!!!
Posted by: Jillian | February 7, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am
This is news???
This is pure commentary.
There is nothing weird about Obama or his campaign. This is just one hell of a charismatic guy.
As for policy, I suggest you take a better look because if I’m not mistaken the policies are all there in their specifics…
But maybe it’s gonna get this webpage more hits to have a bit of yellow journalism.
Maybe your time would be better spent tracking down “churches” like Scientology that have tax-exempt status but are more cult like than this campaign…
This is something new. This is the grass roots. This is a revolution.
Posted by: Derby City Espresso | February 7, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am
If Obama were not half-black then there would be no interest in him.
Posted by: Jim Green | February 7, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am
I agree with the others, that this article is stupid posturing by ABC.
I guess hard-botten cynical reporters think that citizen enthusiasm and participation in politics, for a change, is “weird”.
I guess it is weird. But what do you want? Resuming the lobbyist-driven government and uninformed, apathetic populace?
How glib and idiotic. I wouldn’t appreciate calling Hillary’s fans a “cult” either.
This is just childish. Shame on you ABC.
Posted by: Jim | February 7, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am
You people have no idea who he is. He is the one that will bring peace to the middle east, solve all financial woes (not only the U.S., but the world), and end world hunger. If you knew who he really is , you would beg him to forgive you and your words of heresy! Repent Now!
Posted by: A. Nonymous | February 7, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am
Millions of Americans getting involved in the political process for the first time, and the pundits – some of whom have a past with the Clinton political machine – are now declaring it a cult. Very interesting attack tactic – and very, very dirty.
The Clinton proxies should really be cautious about how far they go in insulting Barack’s supporters. It’s one thing to attack a candidate, but it’s another to go after inspired Democrats who have shown a willingness to donate in droves. Look at the splintered Republicans – is that what we want as a party going into November?
Posted by: Jimmy | February 7, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am
I understand some of the wariness referred to in this article, however I think what you fail to see is the enormity of Obama’s candidacy. Though many of the policies he has laid out are not fundamentally different from that of Clinton, the uniqueness of the Obama campaign lies in his ability to make people care. That is a difference worthy of mention and praise considering how apathetic and uninvolved our electorate has been historically. Obama has brought new people into the party, inspired party members to vote and encouraged people to organize in a way not seen since John F. Kennedy and possibly to an even greater extent.
Perhaps more important is the fact that Obama is cut from a different cloth than the majority of US politicians. His background of experience (not just his skin color) have a major impact on the policies he seeks to implement if elected. Furthermore, the fact that he has not take PAC money and is not indebted to lobbyists, makes him the only true candidate for change and the only one qualified to lead on “day one.”
I tend toward cynicism too, and I believe that to question life is to live it. That being said its important for us to keep our eyes, ears and heart open for those rare occasions when something comes along that transcends cynicism and is, in fact, the genuine article.
Posted by: Josh | February 7, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am
I think one camera shot from Fox News of Obama’s speech supports your point. It caught a woman who was so overcome by emotion as Obama spoke of his earlier days as a community organizer. Very eerie!
Posted by: News Junkie | February 7, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am
Do you really think Hillary can bring a divided nation together? Or a bellicose McCain? Obama is the man and this is his calling. He’s the only viable candidate that gets a fresh start.
Posted by: Charlie Fisherc | February 7, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am
If Obama is an inspiration similar to JFK, I wonder if the media in the 1960s raised the same questions.
Maybe we’re tired of venomous campaigns full of dirty tricks and “hate the other guy” mindsets. Maybe we’re interested in breaking the hegemony of this “republic” over the past 25 years. Maybe we believe that it’s time for a new generation of politicians, a larger manifestation of the tried “kick the bums out” approach.
Maybe after years of Bush and the religious right, we’ve finally realized that change in this country only happens if you organize, unite, and vote. Maybe our passion for the future of this country overcomes our desire to seem disengaged, so as to need the spoon-fed meals the media is all too happy to provide.
Guys, be careful. We’re growing tired of the 24 hour news cycle’s desire to make up any story and run with it. This one falls under that category. Report, then move on. There are plenty of stories in the world to cover that you guys unfortunately ignore.
Posted by: MbKl | February 7, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am
One wonders where this hack of a reporter got this notion of a story?
Hmmmmmmm.
Disgracefull attempt to belittle Obama and his supporters.
INSULTING!
The question is how is it that a nobody like Obama can get such support against a “somebody” like Hillary.
Posted by: Jeff | February 7, 2008, 10:19 am 10:19 am
I agree that Obama has detailed some of his policy plans, but they are never challenged by the press, and he has yet to explain (with hard figures) how he will pay for all this! The fact is, Obama’s plans would steer this country into socialism, castrate our Armed Forces, open our borders to more terrorists than ever, and lead us into economic suicide. YOU CANNOT DO THIS JOB WITH SERMONS ALONE. Experience matters. Obama is not ready.
Posted by: Show-Me MO | February 7, 2008, 10:19 am 10:19 am
ld,
no, it’s called inspiration and a reason to believe in government again. maybe you enjoy talking about watergate, travelgate, attack ads, impeachment, crying to get votes, and not being able to pass legislation that will help real people because republicans and dems hate each other and only care about themselves.
why can’t you get that?
Posted by: justin | February 7, 2008, 10:19 am 10:19 am
not news. not an article. Save posts like this for the web forum
Posted by: Dave | February 7, 2008, 10:19 am 10:19 am
People are fed up with the Entire Washington Political Machine. Come to think of it, people are also fed up with
The Mainstream Media AS WELL !!!
Posted by: Buddy in Pa | February 7, 2008, 10:20 am 10:20 am
I think it is disturbing for many older whites to see so many people swoon over a black man that is NOT solely entertaining them by singing/dancing/sports. There is no pretext for the “Obama Phenomena” other than black entertainers and MLK. And that’s disturbing because of the implications it has on the historical domination by whites on intellectualization and leadership.
For many older people, accepting Obama is like being dropped in a tub of ice cold water. So it becomes easy to dismiss what you can’t grasp as a cult. Just like I’d dismiss the “Polar Bear” Diver’s Club as a cult when they jump in freezing water every year.
He DOES have plans. They are superior plans. I just think he overestimates peoples’ ability to read and comprehend. He has a professorial background, and he still expects his students to read up on their studies before they come to class (rallies).
Posted by: dionysus | February 7, 2008, 10:20 am 10:20 am
I was waiting on this to happen…the shaming of political enthusiasm…especially for the non-conventional candidate. I, myself, will not be “shunned” into thinking that because I actually believe that Obama will move this country forward…and I believe it so much to challenge my peers to do the same, that I am partaking in something very cultish. Just for the record, I AM an Obama Supporter, I don’t plan to be-baptized in the new religion of Obama-ism, I DO NOT plan to kill myself in hopes of going into outerspace to live in paradise. I say this – I am proud to be an Obama supporter and I will continue to be inspired to be verbal about what I think of him and what he offers this country. If you really want to know where he stands on the issues. There all there…Perhaps after you read them, you will actually find them newsworthy!
Posted by: whatsayyou | February 7, 2008, 10:20 am 10:20 am
I think it’s interesting that in an election when there’s not much inspiration that the media criticizes the one candidate whose managed to tap into the imagination of everyday Americans. While I’m not necessarily an Obama supporter, I do find myself listening to his message of finding the greatness that exists now instead of just hoping for it in the future. I think that’s Obama’s way of telling us that we don’t have to wait for things to get better, we can be a part of the process that makes it better. I think that’s a message that everyone, no matter whom they should support, should consider.
Posted by: Holli | February 7, 2008, 10:20 am 10:20 am
I just donated $200 more becuase of this stupid article on us Obama supporters being in a cult. BTW, this $200 is 10% of my paycheck.
Posted by: Richard | February 7, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am
Well said Blake. I am an Obama supporter who listens to the issues, but the differences between Clinton and Obama are very minor. So my only choice is to choose the candidate that makes me believe that we can do better. He is the only candidate in any race that has ever made me want to get involved and I should not be ridiculed for that.
In a time when the country is so divided and people feel a disconnect from a government that has betrayed them, inspiration and an ability to bring people together ARE the key issues.
Posted by: JoeS | February 7, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am
Better late than never. The media has chosen to be gullible. They have enjoyed the Obama hysteria. Good to see them coming down to earth. The likes of Kennedy and Kerry are more troubling. Hoary old politicians who have hoped to profit – or revive their failing relevance – by latching on to what they thought was a “movement”. It just goes to show why Kennedy failed to win the nomination and Kerry blew a golden opportunity.
Obama is not only a snake oil salesman, but his so-called inspirational speeches are as irritating in their pomposity as in their smugness.
Posted by: Victor | February 7, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am
As an Obama supporter, it’s frustrating when there are so many posts about “Obama doesn’t take a stand on anything”. Wake up!
1) Iraq War (I think his stance has been much more clear than Hillary’s “it was a good idea at the time to vote for the war”)
2) Immigration – supporting Driver’s licences to illegal as part of a comprehensive reform (still not sure where Hillary is on this issue)
3) NAFTA – Dissaproves ( For Hillary’s position see point #1 – just substitute NAFTA in for war.)
4) Foreign Policy – speaking to leaders of non-friendly countries is not taking a stance??? Who would have thought that maybe diplomacy would be a better alternative to war.
Please, if there is anyone who can be questioned for not taking a stand on the issue is Hillary.
I am still waiting to see what she will do with Social Security.
Posted by: ryaple | February 7, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am
Yes, he has some enthusiastic support and I am among them. HOWEVER I strongly disagree with the self-appointed pundits that he is short on substance.
I simply believe his policies are better than Hillary’s.
- If we’re not doing single payer, I think its ridiculous to FORCE EVERYONE to pay for her health insurance. Where has Hillary answered the question “How will you make everyone pay? Garnish wages?” Great plan for the poorest among us. NOT.
- Her plan to freeze interest rates for 5 years will have disasterous unintended consequences.
- Her stated foreign policy of overt ‘coercive diplomacy’ is not much different than the current administration.
- And finally, she can’t win against any of the republicans. She will mobilize their vote like no other, and if a moderate like McCain is running, he’ll get the bulk of the moderate vote as well.
I’d vote for him even if he was not so charismatic.
In short, the knives are out for Obama now with people like Joe Klein providing silly generalizations and ‘creepy feelings’ taking the place of debate about the issues. And that he hasn’t talked about the issues or given substance is SIMPLY NOT TRUE! The
And why can’t we be the people that we’ve been waiting for?
Posted by: JC | February 7, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am
I was watching the omnipotent Joe Klein haughtily walking around the Hartford Civic Center as part of the National Press Corps during Barack Obama’s appearance in front of 16,000 supporters on the day before the primary. I could tell by the smirk on his face that he was disapproving of Barack Obama’s immense support. I was seated among people in that crowd who were, like me, supporters — just plain folks. There was plenty of fervor and excitement but Klein’s characterization of “mass messianism” is completely and totally incorrect and very cynical. Why are these rallies held in the first place?? Easy—to get as many people as possible to see the candidate in person and not just on TV. Maybe to convert the fence sitters? Is my use of the word convert offensive?? I will admit to being at similar rally on the New Haven Green 2 days before the election in 1960(I was 15 at the time). The adoration of John F Kennedy was no less enthusiastic but I didn’t hear a critical word about it then. It was another time when there was far less cynicism than there is today and far fewer Joe Kleins.
Posted by: Michael Krauss | February 7, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am
I believe the “Obama cult” is simply atrue ANYBODY BUT HILLARY campaingn. Hilliary will never win the general election in November, but Obama could very easily pull the independents and republicans.
Posted by: Andy | February 7, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am
Wow! I’m a 50 year old professional who raised my kid single handedly. And all of a sudden, because I don’t buy into the same old political garbage we’ve been getting for 16 years, I’m part of a cult? How dare you. If you journalists and media people are all so smart about what everyone thinks, how come you keep paying for polls that are getting it all wrong. Who’s part of a cult here?
Posted by: Cindy | February 7, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am
This is a story? Where were you when neocons were putting up “Our Leader” billboards? How about the Republicans mentioning Reagan 42 in the last debate? But Obama is the one who’s a cult?
Posted by: Zugernaut | February 7, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am
What a great essay.
IT IS ABOUT TIME
Lots of us are feeling creepy watching this snake oil revival meeting.
Posted by: Becky | February 7, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am
It’s not a cult, it’s a movement.
Posted by: Digital Disease | February 7, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am
When You have Oprah campaigning for You, That absolutely make it cultish.
Posted by: KFOL | February 7, 2008, 10:23 am 10:23 am
Thank you – Someone has finally admitted that MSNBC (The Obama News Network) has not vetted this man at all – The idea that he can get Hillary supporters and she can’t get his is insane – If you think that all those older women and the 50% of the white vote that he is not getting know would go to him in a general election your not living in reality – They would go to McCain in a heart beat – If the choice for me – A life long Democrat came down to Obama or McCain – It would be McCain – In case all of you Obama supporters think this is a first – I would suggest that you get a history lesson – We have been here before – It was 1976 – The inspiring young man at that time was Jimmy Carter – And what did that get us – Gas lines – Hostages – All from another man with a friendly foreign policy of wanting to chat with our adversaries and not take the tough stance needed when it comes to dealing with all the crazies in the world
Posted by: Frank | February 7, 2008, 10:23 am 10:23 am
This story blows
After 7 years of bush we are all sick of it and want something totally different. Barack is offering us this… no the man can’t have every plan and detail worked out to revolutionize the country immediatley on “day one”, who could? bush has created so many messes it would take, well, a HARVARD graduate, years to untangle! Now because we have (finally) someone who is as pissed off as we are about how washington is being run and how lousy the state of the country has become under bush… because we are extremely happy and hopeful, we are now in a cult. I think barack will become president and make sweeping, needed changes and make this country proud and healthy again… I also believe he is the first politition in a helluva long time that actually tells the truth. So to the author,,, have big ole cup of SHUDDDUP!
Posted by: craig st. louis | February 7, 2008, 10:23 am 10:23 am
What’s that women’s name?
Posted by: Rhonda Medina | February 7, 2008, 10:24 am 10:24 am
At this point in time we were supposed to be well-into the “post-coronation swoon”, with daily soft-focus shots of the queen-in-waiting entertaining prospective cabinet-suitors in her drawing room at Chappaqua. Instead, she’s has to break into her book-advance piggy bank to keep this medicine show on the road. The Clintons and their MSM allies can lie about a lot, but as the bucks dry up, it’s going to be harder and harder to keep those “friends” on the reservation.
Posted by: Frank | February 7, 2008, 10:24 am 10:24 am
This analysis is unfair to Obama because he didnt ask for and cant control how people decide to repond to his message. When he was down and no one was following nobody cared.
Posted by: James | February 7, 2008, 10:24 am 10:24 am
If Obama can win the White House based only charismatic speeches of hope and change that make his followers “feel good”, I am ready to believe one day an AntiChrist will convince people to stamp 666 on their forehead. Are we people, or sheeple?
Posted by: an american mom | February 7, 2008, 10:24 am 10:24 am
The whole “Obama just speaks in generalizations and has never taken a stand” tact is getting a bit worn out. People who repeat this barb are falling for the same substance-devoid mantras that always come up during elections. For example — The anti-Hillary folks always fall back on her supposedly being “poll driven and calculating,” but few who profess this mantra are able to give concrete examples supporting it. Similarly, “McCain is a straight talker.” Really? Because, to me it seems his pre-Florida primary attacks on Romney were utterly disingenuous, and certainly not “straight talk,” and his pendulum-like positions on the Bush tax-cut and immigration undermine the straight-talker reputation.
The problem is that if something is repeated enough by the media and others, it becomes accepted as conventional wisdom irrespective of its legitimacy. Only the true, and few, wonks will actually try to peer below the surface of the statement (nevertheless, they are often quick to repeat the mantra). The vast majority of us just swallow it down like cows feeding at a trough.
Yes. Obama speaks in generalizations, as does each and every other candidate seeking to appeal to a broad swath of voters who will quickly lose attention with anything more detailed. But he has also taken stands. To list a few: (a) The war – he outspokenly opposed it (voting for funding to make sure troops have armor does not equal support); (b) Health Care – he has a very specific plan; (c) Torture – flatly opposes it; (d) lobbyists – passed legislation seeking to blunt their influence; (e) death penalty – see his efforts as a state legislator in Illinois; (f)abortion – fully supports female choice. There are more examples.
My point is that reasonable people can disagree about who is the best candidate. But in doing so, people who want more than generalities and fancy themselves somewhat informed, should truly make an effort to avoid falling for, or accepting without some real thought, the sort of opposition, media-driven mantras above.
Posted by: cj | February 7, 2008, 10:25 am 10:25 am
All the dems are weirdos…I’m voting Republican…you all should too.
Posted by: john | February 7, 2008, 10:25 am 10:25 am
Thank you! Finally, someone in the mainstream media has said what I have been saying to my friends. This Obama obsession is getting creepy in a major way. There was a great segment on Hannity and Colmes where Hannity asked a Frank Luntz focus group to name anything Obama has done. None of them could. All they could do was use adjectives to describe their feelings about him.
Posted by: Joe | February 7, 2008, 10:25 am 10:25 am
Who cares? Right now-whatever it takes
to bring down the Clinton machine! I
would rather have Obama then China or
Saudi Arabia running our country-if the
Clintons get back in-that’s what will
happen-do you think they got all that
money from them without some type of
sell out. Get real! The Clinton’s can
not be trusted and your naive if you
think they can be! They have an agenda
and it’s not for the betterment of the
USA. I give Obama credit for going up
against them and seemingly winning! Btw
I am a conservative-but right now-I am
more interested in what’s happening in
the Democratic party-to see someone take
on the machine and win is fantastic-and
it appears there are a lot of Dems that
feel the same way!
Posted by: DNH | February 7, 2008, 10:25 am 10:25 am
Oh you silly people
Posted by: Andy | February 7, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am
One thing is true. Obama may not get Hillary’s voters if he is the nominee!
No vengence like that of a Woman scorned!
Imagine 50 million scorned woman!
LOL!
Posted by: Jeff | February 7, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am
The above statement says it all…..side with Obama or be marked as a Racist,Criticize Obama and be labeled a Racist. Obama supporters are no different then Ron Paul supporters, both are vicious venomous Ideologues.
When Obama actually sits down and actually takes tough questions and makes his stance real clear then I might consider his run for office.
Posted by: Alex | February 7, 2008, 10:27 am 10:27 am
I think ABC wants the people of this country to listen to the news media and the political pundits who will be making the decision for them on who to vote. Just like how it is time to get rid of all the Washinton politicians and start over fresh, it is also time to get rid of all the current media outlets and startover.
Posted by: Nick | February 7, 2008, 10:27 am 10:27 am
As a resident from Illinois, this is surreal this whole Obama craze. He only by change won his senate seat (Republican senate challenger stepped down), practically ran unopposed, and is now running for President? This guy is a nobody here, has not accomplished one thing I can recall…where does one begin in explaining how unpresidential this guy is. All you Obama supporters, check his voting record here in Illinois and you will see he cannot even commit to a yes of no vote here, most of his votes are “present”..what’s that all about. here in the the bluest state of the blues. lol
Posted by: John B. | February 7, 2008, 10:27 am 10:27 am
The euphoria of Obama is nothing less than the pure essence of our liberalism- we all want to change the world, and our hope and faith in a new future is predicated on ignoring the abject failure of socialism wherever it has been tried.
Posted by: loser | February 7, 2008, 10:28 am 10:28 am
Not only the book of Revelation, but read Ezekiel…it’s all starting to come together, just as predicted in the Bible. And we Americans are so collectively ignorant, we don’t stand a chance. Stick a fork in us, we’re done.
Posted by: Rick | February 7, 2008, 10:28 am 10:28 am
I see Jake’s point, but Obama isn’t the only politician with cult-like followers. When I attended an Obama event last summer, people were crying as if he were Elvis…….my mom said there are always fanatics and that she had seen those same types of people at Clinton events in the 90s………it proves to me the stupidity of the masses, not anything inparticular about Obama-he’s just playing off of what people like about him. I still support him (in a normal way).
Posted by: Cat | February 7, 2008, 10:28 am 10:28 am
I would not define Obama’s campaign as a cult, but as a mistake. And to begin with, I am an Independent who likes Hillary. My only big surprise is that everybody is so blind with what Obama is promising, that they can not see far beyond the traditional discourse of change. Nobody asks questions and my biggest concern is that we will have another president who won’t do anything for our country, that is, if he gets the presidency, because the Republicans fear Hillary, and they know Obama will be an easy target to defeat in every debate.
I hope people will see the truth behind his campaign, and when the idealism goes away, they will have nothing to count on, and we will be worse than we are now.
Posted by: Oscar P | February 7, 2008, 10:29 am 10:29 am
Let’s face it – the press coverage of Obama has been one big love fest.
Even my Obama supporting friend has commented on it and ABC has been no exception. I’ve done my homework and Obama’s sellout to big coal and nuclear power, his non-sensical healthcare program and his habit for taking credit for legislation he has neither authored or sponsored is worrisome to say the least. This is not the man I want to lead us out of a recession, clean up our climate crisis or take care of our health care mess.
Posted by: Erik | February 7, 2008, 10:29 am 10:29 am
Well, this is certainly a new “meme” being bandied about by the likes of Joe Klein and his bunch.
How is it messianic to place the focus on the “we” versus the “I”? One can rationally make the argument that Hillary’s constant focus on herself and her extraordinary experience as a catalyst of change in Washington is itself “messianic”.
Moreover, how can one claim that Obama’s victory speech in Chicago was “vague”? It was a motivational speech not a policy discussion for goodness sakes! I’m tired of this particular meme as well. It is simply not true. Obama’s message is both substantive and inspiring.
That said, have Obama’s supporters made over the top statements? You bet. Obama is inspiring and charismatic, and certain people get carried away when in the presence of such people. It’s understandable, but not something to be overly concerned about. One thing is certain, Hillary need not be worried about such “irrational exuberance” from her supporters. She’s staid and boring.
Now, if Obama, like Bush, starts saying he’s getting messages from On High, then be concerned. But peddling a message of hope and enlightened self interest is not a bad thing, particular in the post-Bush era.
Posted by: ChrisNBama | February 7, 2008, 10:29 am 10:29 am
Was this article even necessary? There are weirdos everywhere. Case in point – the drudgereport, where I found this stupid article.
Posted by: Gia | February 7, 2008, 10:30 am 10:30 am
People are people and they tend to go over the top when they find any kind of satisfaction with anything. It only seems strange to you because it involves a politician. I wouldn’t read too much into it and let people enjoy whatever it is they find about Barack that creates this energy. Wouldn’t it be great if the whole country could get behind something positive for a change?
Posted by: Mudlake Slim | February 7, 2008, 10:30 am 10:30 am
Did anyone notice that crazy woman over Obama’s shoulder as he gave his speech Tuesday night? If that wasn’t a spooky vision of cultish worship, nothing is.
Posted by: scot | February 7, 2008, 10:31 am 10:31 am
FINALLY an article that addresses the cult-like creepiness of this so-called “movement.” Someone should force Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann to read it on the air @ MSNBC. That entire network has drank the kool-aid.
Posted by: John | February 7, 2008, 10:31 am 10:31 am
I have spent my entire voting life religiously voting against “the republicans”; and now becouse I have a candidate that I want to vote for I am a member of a cult? Wow,the lenght Obama haters will go. This is sad.
Posted by: Michael | February 7, 2008, 10:31 am 10:31 am
JOHN B. — Your comment displays your ignorance. About 3% of Obama’s more than 4000 votes in the Ill. legislature were “present” votes. Also, present does not mean you are not taking a position. Often bills that make it to a vote are loaded with time-bomb provisions that are designed to make the bill either unconstitutional or otherwise bad law. These provisions are inserted by the lawmakers who oppose the general thrust of the bill (e.g., abortion rights) and are trying to sabotage it. In these situations, it is imperative to excercise the “present” vote in order to keep the bill alive, and provide the chance to cure its sabotage-driven problems.
Posted by: cj | February 7, 2008, 10:32 am 10:32 am
I think a lot of the comments here show a distinct generational divide, and require us to pause and think a bit about how the Democratic Party is shaping as we move towards November.
It seems that on one side, we have those who have been voting for several elections now, who remember what it was like to have their efforts blunted by the Supreme Court in 2000 and to have Bush reelected despite already being harshly criticized almost everywhere. They remember Gingrich and the New Republican Majority forming, and they remember Reagan’s 49-state political machine.
On the other hand, we have young adults, many who are voting for the first time and have (as myself) never known a president not named Bush or Clinton. They’ve been told by their parents that politicians are bad and that government is corrupt and probably isn’t going to do anything but have the IRS send you mail every January. It’s not that they’re dumb (or that older Democrats are wrong for having some degree of cynicism), it just seems to be that they know that politics can be better, and instead of being skeptical of it, they’re more willing to accept it with open arms, because it isn’t Bush.
Both sides should be critical of every politician, as we should of anything that is concerned with power; but we need to find a reconciliatory middle ground at the same time.
Posted by: Billy | February 7, 2008, 10:32 am 10:32 am
Obama needs to inspire to win a national campaign. If he talks about the issues in a dry calculated way (ala Gore and Kerry) he could never garner the support and sustained excitement needed. This is a political move. This does not necessarily mean he is unfamiliar with the issues, he is. Unlike Hillary, he cannot afford to be a policy wonk (she has name recognition, and thus is not terribly hurt by being stiff and calculating; although she has improved). Moreover, every candidate who tries to win a national election must appeal to a large group, and therefore must have a general message!! This is not particular to Obama. The fact that some folks get out of hand and become crazed supporters is no indicator that the movement is not genuine or substantive. After all, we can all think of examples of crazy followers of a moderate and good movement who are not reflective of its core values. If you are interested about where Obama stands on an issue, find out! Then, please agree or disagree with it. But please stop this nonsense. What is wrong with inspiring a whole generation of public servants? What is wrong with energizing a bunch of complacent Americans about the good this nation could do?
Posted by: ThinkingAV | February 7, 2008, 10:32 am 10:32 am
Obama “IS” the one he shall lead us to the promise land, Glory be his name, I will drink Koolaid is I have to.
Posted by: Charles | February 7, 2008, 10:33 am 10:33 am
Hmmm…Experience got us into a war.
Credentials have morphed into “nothing” with respect to foreign policy. You want me to vote for more credentials and political experience?? I think not!
Posted by: Bob | February 7, 2008, 10:33 am 10:33 am
I don’t care about policy details.
I just want change for the sake of change.
A few years down the road, I’ll want more and different change.
The Changers will bring us change, you can count on that!
Posted by: EasilyMoved | February 7, 2008, 10:33 am 10:33 am
I really don’t understand why the Dems think conservative Republicans will vote for Obama but not for Clinton. Personally, I less fear the evil I know (Hillary) than the evil I don’t know (Obama). In fact, I have almost reconciled myself to having a Democrat in the White House and have even considered registering as a Democrat just so I can vote for Hillary to ensure that we DON’T get Obama. I think more of the Republican conservative base would favor Hillary than Obama – for instance ask Ann Coulter what she thinks! And as for McCain – just another liberal in sheep’s clothing!
Posted by: Wilma | February 7, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am
Listen to Sen. Obama’s speech patterns and cadences. He draws out his adjectives:
“For tooo looong this nation has waited for…”
Who does he sound like? The Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, a man regarded as a modern-day saint in this secularist nation. It’s not surprising that people think of Barak Obama in a religious manner.
Posted by: Echohawk | February 7, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am
Forgive us who have been through two terms of being ashamed to be an American. We have waged unjust wars through unjust means that have not been supported by the people.
And in response we are overjoyed at an option that isn’t about fear and division, but optimism and hope.
If someone wants to cynically spin that as be ‘cult-like,’ so be it.
We just want to be a part of the tearing down of the machine.
Posted by: Brett | February 7, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am
If Obama had an R next to his name his coverage would have been starkly different. And, yes, “Messiah Complex” comes to my mind when I see and hear him.
Have you noticed that he hasn’t rejected Move-on’s endorsement? What does that tell you? When Nixon was President, Sen Clinton and Media figures like Jack Anderson investigated Oligarchs like Howard Hughes and Robert Vesco and their corrupting influence on Politics-Now these Soros clones are accepted and even celebrated despite their poisonous, devisive influence. Maybe McCain could fix that-Hillary and Obama won’t.
Posted by: JLK | February 7, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am
Yeah, I agree with one of the comments above – wait until the Republicans start to scrutinize Obama’s church in Chicago. It won’t be pretty.
Posted by: John | February 7, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am
Maybe Obama is really the favorite in this race now. Up until today the ultra conservative Drudge Report seemed like they were posting relatively positive Obama articles in contrast to the usual Hillary bashing links. Today right there at the top we’ve got “The Obama Cult” link. Kind of sickening.
The bigger story is that we could see Drudge start to go negative towards Obama being that the Neo-Cons are realizing that theres little to no chance they could beat Obama in the general. I think we’ll see all the Conservative talking heads start to subtly back Hillary as well. They’re very aware that with her high negatives she’s beatable in the general. They could very well be looking at 8 years of Barrack and that scares them.
Posted by: alex z. | February 7, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am
Hillary is trying to prove herself to be a qualified manager with the know-how to push political buttons, activate bureaucratic levers, flip important switches and pull convenient strings. A manager of any qualification is the last thing the USA needs right now. What this country needs is a leader with a vision–like Obama. Few people can disagree with his vision now that change is necessary.
Posted by: Kris | February 7, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am
I think People are just excited to finally have someone REAL running for president. He is one of us. He talks like us. When you ask him a question, he answers straight! Ask Clinton a question, like how would you enforce health insurance mandates?, and she talks AROUND the question! I saw her asked the SAME question 3 times and still didn’t want to answer it! Obama is easy to listen to, he’s honest. I have actually heard him ADMIT making a mistake! THAT is real…People respect honesty, we know our Politicians are human. But we don’t like liars. I don’t agree with EVERY policy he has, but I agree with his principles. Though, he DOES have policies which are outlined on his site, for those who are unaware. You see, if the person isn’t honest in the first place, you can’t believe a word of what they say their policies are. Bill Richardson needs to put personal interest aside and endorse Obama. Obamas policies are best for Latinos re; drivers licences, and Obama was the Senator who had COURAGE to March with Latinos for immigration reform. Clinton didn”t. Lantinos deserve to know who really works in their interests. Clinton is a Politian…Obama is a Public Servant.
Posted by: Penny | February 7, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am
I think People are just excited to finally have someone REAL running for president. He is one of us. He talks like us. When you ask him a question, he answers straight! Ask Clinton a question, like how would you enforce health insurance mandates?, and she talks AROUND the question! I saw her asked the SAME question 3 times and still didn’t want to answer it! Obama is easy to listen to, he’s honest. I have actually heard him ADMIT making a mistake! THAT is real…People respect honesty, we know our Politicians are human. But we don’t like liars. I don’t agree with EVERY policy he has, but I agree with his principles. Though, he DOES have policies which are outlined on his site, for those who are unaware. You see, if the person isn’t honest in the first place, you can’t believe a word of what they say their policies are. Bill Richardson needs to put personal interest aside and endorse Obama. Obamas policies are best for Latinos re; drivers licences, and Obama was the Senator who had COURAGE to March with Latinos for immigration reform. Clinton didn”t. Lantinos deserve to know who really works in their interests. Clinton is a Politian…Obama is a Public Servant.
Posted by: Penny | February 7, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am
Obama is becoming the God to the Godless. If you don’t believe in something, you will fall for anything. Sure, he is handsome and charming and sounds good, but the fact is he is the most liberal Senator in the Senate, and he will lose if he becomes the nominee, because his true color will be revealed (no pun intended). If Hillary becomes the nominee, she will lose too because of the baggage and lack of appeal.
Posted by: JDinATL | February 7, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am
Obama and Taxi Driver
The blog comments remind of that funny scene in the movie Taxi Driver where a campaign worker (played by Al Brooks) is arguing with a printer over the phone, insisting there IS a difference between a headline that reads “We ARE the People” vs. one that reads “WE are the People.”
Posted by: davidc | February 7, 2008, 10:37 am 10:37 am
I am a republican that will vote for Obama
No I am not leaving the party “the party has left me” to quote a similar statement by Reagan.
Yes my family and I will vote for Obama.
Why not Hillary?
That for most of us would be going back to sensitive time that we want to forget,we have to much on our plate as a nation, at least by voting for Obama
we can make closure history
Posted by: Penny Carlson | February 7, 2008, 10:38 am 10:38 am
This is an unfortunate smear attempt… For those well-versed in political organizing and progressive campaigns, the internal campaign structure and the mechanisms it employs (empowering youth and technology-savvy supporters to hold campaign events, canvass and organize on their own) are the very definition of an active and engaged group of citizens taking part in a democracy. This is no longer about big money dinners and maxxed-out contributors. Rather, it is about hundreds of people spreading the word, organizing their friends & family and contributing $25-50 to the campaign when they are able. To the extent they are revelatory, people are, of course, inspired by the words of the candidate, bringing hope and a sense of what could be back to politics after an all-too-lengthy absence, BUT, Obama supporters are also excited and inspired by the campaign structure being focused on them, on their efforts to utilize these new tools to contribute to the campaign and make a positive difference in the race for the white house.
Posted by: RHammer | February 7, 2008, 10:38 am 10:38 am
I wholeheartedly agree. Not only am I unable to get clear answers from Obama supporters of than “I am supporting him because he makes me feel so good” , but i have spoken to people in their 20′s and 40′s who said that the pressure to support Obama was so strong they were either shamed when they said they supporting Senator Clinton, or felt that they needed to either lie or not disclose. That is scary!
Posted by: Lisa Spiegel | February 7, 2008, 10:38 am 10:38 am
Obama has always been clear on both his traditional and innovative approaches to hardcore issues. In addition, he has a history of successful collaboration with others who disagree with him.
Posted by: Josh | February 7, 2008, 10:38 am 10:38 am
Best. article. ever… solely for the righteous frenzy you seem to have whipped up in the Obama supporters. It is one thing to support a candidate; it’s quite another to anoint them the “chosen one”.
By the way, I thought Hillary was the savior of the Dem party. That was 2004, you say? My bad.
Posted by: mindydawn | February 7, 2008, 10:38 am 10:38 am
Where did Hillary get the 5 million to “loan her campign?
The Clintons were poor before comming to DC and now they are woth 50 million!
Disgusting opportunitist who will sell influence!
Posted by: Jan | February 7, 2008, 10:39 am 10:39 am
Listen to Sen. Obama’s speech patterns and cadences. He draws out his adjectives and adverbs:
“For tooo looong this nation has waited for…”
Who does he sound like? The Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, a man regarded as a modern-day saint in this secularist nation. It’s not surprising that people think of Barak Obama in a religious manner.
Regarding where’s the beef? Sen. Obama is running a new kind of campaign: his stand on the issues is on his website. The website is the hard drive to his campaign. His supporters check out his website two or three times a day.
Go Obama 08!
Posted by: Echohawk | February 7, 2008, 10:39 am 10:39 am
Nice article Mr. Tapper. I was still living in Illinois last election and voted for Obama, it was more of a vote against Keyes. He seems a genial bloke and I think I would enjoy his company, but the only thing creepier than his acolytes is Ron Paul’s militia. The campaign he is running is an ephemeral, sickly-sweet pipe dream, it is no wonder the young are flocking to him, they thrive on dopey impossible ideals.
As for America wanting change and being tired of the status quo, I heard an awful lot of that in 04, and the only thing less popular than Dubya right now is the Dem Congress. Yes, enthusiasm in politics is good, when that enthusiasm is based on logic and pragmatism, not dreamy desire.
I think Obama, if nominated, has the best chance of winning this for the Dems, who certainly have the advantage at the moment.
Posted by: geofferygellineck | February 7, 2008, 10:40 am 10:40 am
Can Obama make a speech without a teleprompter? He always has two on both sides for EVERY SPEECH.
Who is he talking to? A monitor or the people? I think we know the answer.
He is reading words off a teleprompter that somebody else wrote for him. Watch his speeches and how he shifts to reading one teleprompter to the other. It’s downright creepyscary.
He is another GW Bush who also ran on CHANGE in 2000. He is recycling all the Republican ideas. Funny isn’t it.
Plus, his main campaign manager was the one behind the Howard Dean smears, with his Obama bin Dean smear campaign. The DNC must be thrilled about that.
Posted by: Teleprompter | February 7, 2008, 10:40 am 10:40 am
Some of the pro Obama reactions I read here seem to support this article perfectly. some(Obama) supporters are not open for any opinion which is different from their own. This aready is a sigh wich supports some of points mentioned in this article.
At the end of the day let us hope people start opening their eyes and concentrate on what matters: healthcare, the war and economics. Beauty, good speeches, soft words, being insperational DO NOT pay any bills, save lives, fight terrorism, save jobs or fight crime.
Posted by: jamie1052 | February 7, 2008, 10:41 am 10:41 am
To me, the Obama movement shows that young people are desperate for something to believe in during these difficult times. Let’s face it what Bush has done is abhorrent to those who are idealistic. It’s great that Obama energized these folk and pulled them into the process. But I agree with your column: Obama seems like a preacher delivering the sermon on the mount “come to me and ye’ shall be saved”. It’s like a cult. Take it on faith- “Change You Can Believe In” and those kind of empty platitudes. I do find it unsettling.
Posted by: Hopesprings52 | February 7, 2008, 10:41 am 10:41 am
I’d say you touched a nerve. 225 comments in just over an hour. I refreshed and there were 40 more comments.
Posted by: Toad | February 7, 2008, 10:42 am 10:42 am
“We are the change we’ve been looking for” is about realizing you have power if you involve yourself in the process instead of waiting for someone else to deliver you solutions.
I guess we’re all so post-modern and meta that real enthusiasm “weirds” us out.
Aren’t we clever?
Posted by: Meursault | February 7, 2008, 10:42 am 10:42 am
The tenor of this piece is EXACTLY the reason people are so very enthusiastic about Barak Obama. He represents a solid departure from the cynicism and polarization both Clintons personify. Bill Clinton’s $135 million (yes Million(!) dollar) contribution from the uranium magnate is the final straw for me. And how is it Hillary has $5 million to donate to herself? Not a bad take for working as a senator for 7 years!
Posted by: Thank God for Karma | February 7, 2008, 10:42 am 10:42 am
We are tired of Bush, tired of being ashamed of our country, and can see little to look forward to in a Clinton or McCain administration, but much to hope for about an Obama one. It is not a religion.
Posted by: Andrew | February 7, 2008, 10:42 am 10:42 am
Ahhh… the media showing a less than insainely liberal side? Refreshing!
Posted by: J Braun | February 7, 2008, 10:43 am 10:43 am
First, many posters above have correctly pointed out that the characterization of Obama as “style over substance” is a myth that Hillary has created and the media has bought. Read over his 64-page Plan for America. Or go to his website and read the summaries of his plans for healthcare, social security, etc. His plans are every bit as detailed as Hillary’s. But his plans are better and more consistent, and I believe he has been more honest about his views on tough issues than Hillary.
Second, the author of this article has virtually no understanding of what a cult or a messianic figure is. A cult is a group where followers are taught to worship their leader. Barack Obama is teaching us to believe in *ourselves* again. For example, “We are the ones we have been waiting for.” That is the prescise *opposite* of a messianic message. What he’s saying is that we need to *stop looking* for a political messiah. Instead, we need to believe in ourselves, engage, and march for the change that we want. This is a life affirming message that calls on us to reach for our true potential. Why should I be embarrassed to say that this message appeals to me, and that for the first time in my entire life I have actively engaged in the political process?
By contrast, Hillary’s campaign is the one that infantalizes the electorate. Maxine Waters stood on stage in California and announced, “We don’t need hope, we need help.” This view of politics casts the electorate as inactive, disengaged helpless beings that depend upon a tough guy in Washington to solve all of their problems. And somehow this is “less creepy” than a movement that asks others to get involved and finally take their seat at the table of democracy?
On Tuesday, I walked two miles down Massachusetts Avenue in Cambridge, Massachusetts with hand-painted sign that said “I HOPE === OBAMA”. The reason I chose that message for my sign was precisely because of cynics like the author of the article. You want to criticize me for hoping? You want to criticize me for believing that if we come together we can change this country and this world for the better? Fine, go ahead. I’ll keep walking with my sign.
Posted by: Aaron | February 7, 2008, 10:43 am 10:43 am
Maybe it’s what the people have wanted; someone who isn’t talking about just politics, but also change. Hillary’s pockets are lined with lobbyist’s money-and she still has to foot some of the bill. His and Hillary’s views are not much different, hence why this is such a close race. The difference is he delivers unity in a country that has been divided for years. It’s wonderful to be able to have a potential candidate for presidency who is inspirational; perhaps someone for the kids of today to look up to.
Geez, people really twist sarcasm and create something out of nothing just to throw someone in the mud who is doing so well.
Posted by: ali wali | February 7, 2008, 10:43 am 10:43 am
Hmm… The Cult Of Clinton, worshipers of the snake in the year of the rat, complaining about the Cult Of Obama? Interesting. The flips have flopped to the other foot and now there’s a problem. Hillary’s popularity wans because in reality she was only popular with the media. Obama has grsssroot financial support of Joe Average where Hillary takes money from rich special interests whom she will protect if elected. She takes from the rich to rob from the middle but doesn’t really help the poor… Members of the fawning media are confused. What else is new?
Posted by: IDark | February 7, 2008, 10:43 am 10:43 am
I am a female baby boomer and have nearly always voted republican, this year I will very likely vote democratic if Obama is the nominee. I couldn’t be further from a cult than the man in the moon.
Posted by: Pathfinder | February 7, 2008, 10:43 am 10:43 am
That’s a theory I’d like to check out. What do atheists think of Obama or this “movement?” My husband and I (both atheists) too are creeped out by it. We always thought that everybody talks about him like he’s some weird religious or cult leader and thought we were alone until now.
Posted by: Karen | February 7, 2008, 10:43 am 10:43 am
When those outside the OBAMA CULT who havent been brainwashed and havent drank the koolaid realize that behind the curtain lies the MOST FAR LEFT ULTRA LIBERAL the senate has ever seen. He will never ,and I mean never, get elected. He makes Ted Kennedy look conservative. The Obama sheep are too far gone now but most intelligent people will see what a far left loon he is by November and vote accordingly.
Posted by: paul | February 7, 2008, 10:44 am 10:44 am
I recently watched interviews with people who had just viewed one of the presidential debates. I saw glistening eyes; I heard quivering voices; I saw longing gazes. One young lady, her voice cracking, proclaimed, “I trust Barack Obama!.” I got the feeling that this woman, if given the chance, would have placed a crown on his head, kissed his ring and bowed in holy reverence.
It was all….quite disturbing. Nothing against Mr. Obama or any other candidate, but Hades would freeze over before I could knowingly vote for any politician so steeped in egotistical fantasy that he actually thought he had the power or obligation to transform society according to his personal agenda. I’d have to wonder what other delusions his arrogance might be causing. I’d have to further ponder what degree of cultural dysfunction is necessary to prompt ordinary citizens to think that such transformation is best effected by a political leader.
These interviewees, themselves willing accessories to the madness, were looking not so much for a prudent leader or pragmatic policy maker as a charismatic Messiah. Where did we get the idea that politicians are supposed to fulfill such roles? Is it because we continue to look outside ourselves for someone to save us from ourselves? Are we that weak and unimaginative?
Government should only do for citizens what they cannot do for themselves, and, comparatively, that ought to be very little. Indeed, the need for government is inversely proportional to the character and ambition of its citizenry.
Out best hope is to put more power in the hands of people than politicians. And the best way to do that is to maintain a rigid system of checks and balances, the most effective of which is limiting the amount of money that government gets.
Posted by: Truthmeister | February 7, 2008, 10:44 am 10:44 am
What about all those yapping women, bowing at Hillary’s presence. They feel obligated to vote for her because of gender.
Posted by: Ginger Schein | February 7, 2008, 10:45 am 10:45 am
“Hmmm…Experience got us into a war.
Credentials have morphed into “nothing” with respect to foreign policy. You want me to vote for more credentials and political experience?? I think not!”
Actually, experience did not get us into the war, W did. A lot of people forget that W had practically no experience relevant to being president when he was elected. He was a “charisma candidate” who never took stances on issues, kind of like Obama.
Posted by: Chris | February 7, 2008, 10:45 am 10:45 am
Let me break this down for you.
People trust Obama.
People feel they cannot trust Hillary (the Clintons)
People have a since of relief that they can trust an American politician
Therefore this campaign is about more than policy…on which Barrack and Hillary are pretty similar
Posted by: lubetkin | February 7, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am
As a Brit who once lived in the States & isn’t politically aligned to any of the democartic frontrunners – cultism’s all aound Obama.
The defensiveness by his supporters is unsettling.The notion that one can talk less of policies & dwell on weird forms of positive thinking belongs more to cable TV than real world politics. As a Black person, i find the rush to call Obama critics racist very regressive indeed.
Posted by: Earvin | February 7, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am
Truth is Barry owes Gene Rodinberry big time.If it wasn’t for a hot Borg, 7of 9 outing her husband’s sexual weirdness.Barry would still be in the state senate.There are those of us who believe this is a vast Klingon conspiracy.At this time we have no proof of this but we can only implore you to watch the skies.
Posted by: Murray Rosner | February 7, 2008, 10:47 am 10:47 am
I’m an Obama supporter, and I resent the insinuation that by supporting him I’ve been indoctrinated into a cult. He espouses the policies I believe in, was clear-eyed on the folly of the Iraq War and had the guts to speak out, and has the best chance of resetting the playing field to the progressive’s advantage, a la Reagan for the GOP. He also attracts independents by the boatload, which is gold as far as increasing the Democratic majority in Congress. Clearly I know myself and know my reasons for supporting my candidate.
Sure, there are a few fringe loonies on every side. Clinton has plenty of them, maybe more than Obama. Postings like this just distract us from what’s important: Taking back the White House and “turning the page” (yeah, I said it!) on the Bush years.
Posted by: John | February 7, 2008, 10:47 am 10:47 am
The best illustration I have seen that describes the “Obamasm” phenomenon was when a large group of enthusiastic Barack supporters was asked: “Other than his lofty oratory, can anyone name a SINGLE achievement that he has made as a US senator or Ill. state senator?”
TOTAL SILENCE AND BLANK EXPRESSIONS
Obama “The Naked Truth”: all style, no substance.
Posted by: Jacque Bauer | February 7, 2008, 10:47 am 10:47 am
Obama is a fairy-tale – and really, an ego-maniac when you get right down to it. His inexperience, and perhaps worse, will be revealed shortly.
Posted by: whatajoke | February 7, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am
“I love that Obama!’ ‘What is he for?’
“I have no idea, but he speaks well!”
Posted by: Joe Morris | February 7, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am
Sometimes what makes a good coach is not just his training program or the plays he calls during the game, but the effect his half time speeches have on the players when they’re behind. Nothing cultish about it. Good managers execute a given policy and keep you on budget and schedule. Good leaders take calculated risks, make wise decisions and change the world.
George Washington was popular precisely because of his personality and ability to inspire, not because he was a policy wonk. To the average English person, the revolutionaries were acting wide eyed and strange, and yes cultish in their drive for democracy and loyalty to General Washington. Throughout history, devotion to heads of state inspired ordinary people into doing extraordinary things. It’s no surprise that the US Presidency has been described as the closest thing to royalty.
Posted by: Tim | February 7, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am
Obama understands that it is a facile and inherently misleading gesture to appear as but a policy wonk. I suspect you have looked past that he is from Harvard and Univeristy of Chicago thus a card carrying academic. Policy detail and hoary advisors are second nature to him. It is somewhat corrupt to continue the illusion that polemic and ” hard ” policy views gets legislation accomplished. There is no way in Osler’s good earth that health care will be modifed at the Federal level by force of arugement. It will only be by consensus and concillation which seem to be his virtues. Joe Klein has always been a good jounalist and thus I cannot believe that he does not appreciate that Obama is not substance over style but style that will permit substance to be successful
Posted by: joel levine | February 7, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am
“Cult” is pejorative, editorializing, and offensive.
I am excited by a candidate who includes me in his rhetoric, who is humble enough to pay homage to the notion that he is where he is because of us, the people, and can only go further with our help. I believe him when he says these things because I know them to be true based on existing facts (fundraising, votes, etc.), not myth.
Barack Obama has proven the ability of his rhetoric and approach in bringing oppsoing sides together for the people’s welfare in both the Illinois and U.S. Senates as well as within the Democratic Party. Hillary Clinton admitted to enjoying a good fight, but Obama recognized that the fight within the Party was not serving the Party and he acted to end it back in Nevada.
There is no cult here – just a growing mass of people hungry for a more honest, more congenial, yet competent candidate about whom to feel enthused.
Barack Obama is that candidate.
Posted by: zcosca | February 7, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am
I think People are just excited to finally have someone REAL running for president. He is one of us. He talks like us. When you ask him a question, he answers straight! Ask Clinton a question, like how would you enforce health insurance mandates?, and she talks AROUND the question! I saw her asked the SAME question 3 times and still didn’t want to answer it! Obama is easy to listen to, he’s honest. I have actually heard him ADMIT making a mistake! THAT is real…People respect honesty, we know our Politicians are human. But we don’t like liars. I don’t agree with EVERY policy he has, but I agree with his principles. Though, he DOES have policies which are outlined on his site, for those who are unaware. You see, if the person isn’t honest in the first place, you can’t believe a word of what they say their policies are. Bill Richardson needs to put personal interest aside and endorse Obama. Obamas policies are best for Latinos re; drivers licences, and Obama was the Senator who had COURAGE to March with Latinos for immigration reform. Clinton didn”t. Lantinos deserve to know who really works in their interests. Clinton is a Politian…Obama is a Public Servant.
Posted by: Penny | February 7, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am
Obama is a nobody who has nothing but rhetoric to give to his fawning masses. It’s enough to make me vote for McCain
Posted by: Tony | February 7, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am
Please. We’ve been saturated with sooooooooooooooooo much negativity, mistrust, untruths, deception, dishonesty and the like…until we can’t or rather won’t accept, something or someone who comes along with a breath of “fresh air,” and a plethora of truth and honesty.
It’s time we come to grips with ourselves and once again believe we are deserving of some GOOD in this world of ours. And, there are STILL folks out there who are NOT out to get you for their gains or selfish motives… but there to introduce you to CHANGE. Yes, change for the better!
Be positive and know things can IMPROVE for this world of ours. They must or we shall never recover from the misdeeds thrown our way.
Posted by: bag | February 7, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am
…And you do realize you just insulted 50% of the Democratic Party?
Posted by: Penny | February 7, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am
Democrats come to the political table in the coming 2008 elections with baggage that inflicts a shadow over what they think and say. What is that baggage? It is the acute disappointment of failing to elect Gore or Kerry to the Presidency in past elections.
A manifestation of this disappointment is the Democrats’ politically motivated criticism of the Iraq war as exemplified by both Obama’s and Hillary’s campaign pledge to bring the troops home and stop the war. Defeating Bush and the Republicans has become more important than defeating the enemy in the Middle East!
The nation’s enemies in Iraq and all the Middle East came to believe that the United States can be defeated because of the Democrat’s zeal to obtain the Whitehouse in 2008. That the Democrats’ view represented a weakening of America’s will in the war despite 9/11. Americans may be unhappy about the war, but they do not want to lose it. And leaving Iraq will be an admission of the United States losing the war!
Remember this in the coming contests for the Presidency and Congress in 2008!
Posted by: otis | February 7, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am
“it is imperative to excercise the “present” vote in order to keep the bill alive, and provide the chance to cure its sabotage-driven problems.”
Now thats just golden my friend, get real. lol
Posted by: John b. | February 7, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am
Oh No…someone in the liberal media saying that the Cool-Aid smells funny. And the ENLIGHTENED masses revolt.
These posting are RICH!
Posted by: J Braun | February 7, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am
The comments by Obama supporters/followers should be read by every single voter in the counrty. This is the change and unity? It is indeed exactly like zealot behavior.
Posted by: geevill | February 7, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am
There is so much talk about Obama representing change but can he actually make it happen. So you pushed ethics reform, anything else Mr. O? The reason he seems to bring change is because he does not have a political record in Washington to prove otherwise. Spend a few more years in the Senate and then see Obama’s stance. Since when did two years in the Senate qualify you to run the most powerful coutry? And about the race thing, he says it is not a part but I sure enjoyed the indirect racial joke he gave John Edwards about there being ‘a woman, an African American, and John.’ Nice one senator.
Posted by: Miguel Lozano III | February 7, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am
Let me break it down for you.
People trust Obama
People do not trust Hillary (the Clintons)
People have a great sense of relief that they could actually trust an American politician….. one that has a very viable chance of succeeding.
Therefore this election is about far more than mere policy..on which Clinton and Obama are very similar
Policy is irrelevant if you can’t trust the candidate.
Posted by: lubetkin | February 7, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am
Hillary is so fake. Is believing in someone other than Clinton a cult or new religion? How can anyone fall for this clintonian crapola? When Hillary said she found her voice after New Hampshire, it wasn’t her voice it was Baracks. Check the speeches. All of a sudden Hillary began using Obama lines like “this is about you” and “you can make the change”. Seriously, doesn’t it disgust you to see Hillary blindly saying things (and stealing Obamas lines) because she wants voters. She is sickeningly fake. Plus everyone considers her the “experienced candidate”? The record shows that Obama has had more experience and years being accountable to voters in his years in the Illinois Senate and actually “making change”. He really did things when all Hillary did was sand next to Bill and vote for the Iraq war. Great job Hillary.
Posted by: barney | February 7, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am
That cult-like behavior is now taught to them/brainwashed into them (the under 30 crowd) in the schools and colleges: active engagement with reflection, gender-focused learning (i.e, the female stereotype of love and emotion; subjective feelings rule, and minorities benefit because they are subjective, as well. Trouble is it doesn’t equate to the real world and capitalist workplace). They espouse Alice in Wonderland-like euphoria, love and positivity.
Posted by: jillian | February 7, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am
The old guard (establishment democrats) is losing control to a new generation. The don’t understand the change and therefore they denigrate it as something weird.
Posted by: Dan | February 7, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am
Question for the poster who said that “speeches” don’t “pay the bills.”
What does pay the bills? A piece of paper with a ten-point plan on it?
People, let’s get real here. The *only* thing that produces “peace and prosperity” are *ordinary citizens* getting up off their asses and doing the right thing: talking diplomatic with their enemies, working hard for good causes, raising their families with good morals, bonding with their communities, etc.
We are going down a dangerous road in this country, with our citizens completely disengaged from one another. When Michelle Obama says that it is a problem that nobody knows their neighbors anymore, she’s right. I don’t know my neighbors and it *is* a problem. If we continue to sit on the sidelines and on our couches, we’re going to be waiting a long, long time for things to get better.
Posted by: Aaron | February 7, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am
This is nuts. I’m a 66 year old grandmother, white, educated and support Obama. Any attempt to label this as cult is crazy.
Incidentally, “we are the ones we have been waiting for” is a Hopi Indian proverg, first stated by none other Maria Shriver at the LA rally for Obama.
Obviously, Obama picked up on the proverb.
Posted by: carol1031 | February 7, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am
All Obama does whip up the crowds up
with platitudes, very similiar to
tv-evangelists.
He has nothing of substance to offer,
aside from his cliches, and hope of change.
He is afraid to debate one-on-one.
He is being swept into the whitehouse
by the same mainstream media,
and voters that brought us Bush.
Rezko starts up in March,
or will that be delayed again?
Posted by: Rick | February 7, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am
The majority of this article is quotes from other people. Everyone is entitled to have an opinion. I will agree charisma can be additictive and perhaps that is what we are seeing. I know it will take a whole lot more than charisma to fix our country. It will take someone with the right skills, qualifications, hands on experience, ability to make progress and deliver meaningful results in short order. Being enthusiastic about a candidate is good, but it does make you think about the root cause of enthusiasm. Is the root cause for the enthusiasm going to fix our broken country? You decide.
Posted by: Terry | February 7, 2008, 10:53 am 10:53 am
What nonsense. This is more Clintonian psychological warfare. In order to discredit Obama, the Clintons are now passing rumors around that his supporters are nut cases. The fact is that Hillary’s supporters are the nut cases who keep deluding themselves that Hillary just took Bush’s word for it when he asked her to authorize the war on Iraq but said he would not use the authorization until he was sure there were WMD. Everytime I ask a Clinton supporter about this, they tell me, rather incredibly that they believe her and/or that Bush fooled them too so it is okay that a US Senator did not use her voice to ask tough questions and that she turned a blind eye to the lack of facts in the reports she had access to. Come on folks. The wackos are the HRCs zombies who criticized the liar Bush for the war in Iraq but are willing to vote someone who authorized the war so that she could appear tough on terror when she made her run for the white house. Talk about cults!!
Posted by: maddymappo | February 7, 2008, 10:53 am 10:53 am
Obama is a lawyer who is very good at saying something without actually saying anything. His main campaign pitch is we was “against” the Iraq War from the start. But HE HAS NEVER VOTED AGAINST THE IRAQ WAR.
Posted by: colin | February 7, 2008, 10:53 am 10:53 am
Yes, my friends, He ! Hee hee. Anything you want, just chant Obama 08! Obama 08!
Posted by: JohnG | February 7, 2008, 10:54 am 10:54 am
great article, jake. let’s hope cooler heads prevail and we can all vote for an unlikable, non-inspirational, cynical candidate like hillary clinton. people getting excited by a politician is so un-american. shoot, we’re not even supposed to vote.
Posted by: lolz | February 7, 2008, 10:54 am 10:54 am
Good article, good take on the situation.
Posted by: Sally J. | February 7, 2008, 10:54 am 10:54 am
Look – I’m a big Obama supporter, and an ardent atheist. This article is attacking political enthusiasm in the same way that the Clintons attacked “hope”. Obama is a civil rights attorney, a professor of constitutional law, and a person who can unite cultures, races, and political parties. This is extraordinarily special, and yes, worthy of extra enthusiasm, but it is by no means unearned. The guy has worked to achieve this status. Give him (and his supporters) some credit.
Posted by: Alex | February 7, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am
This guy is so right, I watched Obama’s rally on Tuesday night and All I was waiting for was a referral to the onorous “Treaty of Versailles” and instead he uses Washington as the catalyst to drive the weak-minded lemmings into a frenzied “Hysteria” .
Posted by: Scott Cummins | February 7, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am
Someone has a case of “candidate envy”.
:-p
Posted by: Ryno | February 7, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am
Soros has one goal- and that is to demolish the U.S.
He is for: legalizing drugs, euthanasia, open borders, the repeal of welfare reform, economic globalization,etc.
His ultimate goal is a one-world
government government.
Posted by: mannew | February 7, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am
I have been saying this same thing for awhile now. What is all the fuss about? Are people so desparate that they will gush to the first person that is inspirational and sounds good, in their opinion? What does the man stand for? What kind of change is he talking about? We do not know what this man stands for on the issues. Is not that what we should we concerned about? What is wrong with the American people? Are they that ignorant and unconcerned about what is really going on in this country and the world today? Please wake up and listen.
Posted by: Carol | February 7, 2008, 10:56 am 10:56 am
And what about so many of the Hillary Clinton fans I’ve met who are voting for her exclusively because she is a woman? What kind of blind faith is that? If Obama were white, I’d still vote for him. If Hillary were a man, would she still have so much female support?
Posted by: Alex | February 7, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am
THIS IS EXACTLY THE PROBLEM WITH ME FOR OBAMA. HE INSPIRES PEOPLE TO STOP THINKING AND TO WORSHIP. I JUST DONT GET IT.
Posted by: TONY | February 7, 2008, 10:58 am 10:58 am
Want to make your own Obama? It is really simple…
Start with no experience, add in 2 cups of cliches, a 1/2 cup of banality, a 1/2 of passionate oratory, and 1 tablespoon of bromides, buzzwords, old saws, and trite truisms.
Bake in an oven of empty vague promises of hope until fully cooked. How will you know when its done? When the world has achieved “unity” of course- whatever the heck that means.
Posted by: John | February 7, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am
It really scares me that people are so willing to accept Obama when no one has really looked into what he has done, who he is or what it is that he wants to change. Change for change sake can be very disstructive. All change is not good change. Don’t be lemmings, check things out.
Posted by: linda burgess | February 7, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am
On the other hand we have Hillary Clinton who would garnish peoples wages to force them into “her plan” which would give us a substandard form of health care. You can bet she won’t be standing in line for treatment. That would be just the begining of her socialists transformation of our country.
Posted by: frank3108 | February 7, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am
this hit piece has CLINTON FINGERPRINTS all over it. The race card didnt work so lets throw the evangelical card and see if it sticks.
Pure desperation here folks…and I am a republican..LOL
Posted by: JIM | February 7, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am
so the far left is saying Obama is the savior and the far right is saying McCain is the devil.
This nation is nuts.
Posted by: alle | February 7, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am
I cop to my share of messianic fervor, but to suggest that it’s not rooted in anything beyond his smile and charm is condescending. The Senator has struck a nerve because he has made the centerpiece of his campaign a call to end the partisanship and cultural warfare that has dominated the last two decades. People are really responding to that. Many politicians have paid lip service to this ida (Clinton included), but this guy has raised it to the level of a crusade.
Posted by: Howard B. | February 7, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am
The Obama fever is surreal. But hey if he gets elected maybe Texas and California will finally gather enough cause to go on their own.
Posted by: Windi | February 7, 2008, 11:01 am 11:01 am
This guy has the same policies as the other Democratic candidates. He gives the exact same speeches, except he throws the words hope and change around more.
People believe anything. Obama is clever to not talk about his positions. His followers all assume he has the same position as they do.
Posted by: Steve from Ohio | February 7, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”
–Marcus Tullius Cicero 42B.C.
Posted by: Jim | February 7, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am
Zooming out for a bigger perspective on things… Is this country ready for its first Black president? Is this country ready for its first female president? With whatever ill-baggage or commentary on the state of our society it may include, I just don’t see it….
Posted by: Stormy | February 7, 2008, 11:04 am 11:04 am
Attention America, Hillary loaned 5 mil to her campaign, why didnt she contribute it ? Cause she wants hard working people to donate it so, she can get her money back out of the donations!Now who are this people Voting for her? lol
Posted by: Demo Rules | February 7, 2008, 11:04 am 11:04 am
Splendid column! Now, what is his program and what does it cost? Chow!
Posted by: David | February 7, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am
wait- I’m getting a handle on it now – Obama is the savior, McCain is the devil and Hillary is the whole-illusion
The nation totally IS nuts. just keep this in mind: SCOTUS JUDGES SCOTUS JUDGES SCOTUS JUDGES
Whoever gets elected will name 3-4 of them.
Posted by: alle | February 7, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am
… and why use a Chinese proverb on an American election for a candidate with no Chinese heritage??? that’s Super Sunday Ad Panda talking.
Posted by: windi | February 7, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am
spock: ”
The problem here is not supporters of the other candidates, it is the fact that the Obama supporters are obsessed over an individual who has not shown to take a stand on any issues, he answers in general to appease both sides.
Posted by: Ryno | February 7, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am
Inspiration is the only thing that’s ever changed anything in politics for the better. I know Hillary is good, but Barack is all that and much more, he will actually get people to come together to make the right decisions. Hillary could not do this, and as a result we’re in a horrific war.
Posted by: Atheist4Change | February 7, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am
Good article. Anyone refuting that has failed to read most of the worshippers praises above. This really is scary. It’s what happens in spiritual vacuums – people worship mere mortals, not God.
Posted by: Get Real | February 7, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am
Wow, Homerun blog! The cult members out in force. Strange how the media does not mention that Obama won all the “caucuses” on Tuesday which are not true elections. When the people voted in actual elections Hillary Clinton was by far the winner.
Posted by: geevill | February 7, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am
I also think his followers believe strongly in him rather than voting for him simply for the lack of someone better. I won’t be disappointed with Hillary or Barrack. The republicans will choke on the war, irresponsible spending and horrible foreign policy that has seen the our image tank accross the globe. Dems 08
Posted by: Austin | February 7, 2008, 11:07 am 11:07 am
I listen to obama last night, he is getting very cocky and I see change in him. He scares me 2 years in the senate, one parent from overseas, we know nothing about him and nothing that he has accomplished. I read some of the comments they are even scary.
Posted by: brenda | February 7, 2008, 11:07 am 11:07 am
Come on folks. The wackos are the HRC zombies who criticized the liar Bush for preempting a war in Iraq but are willing to vote into office a US Senator who authorized the war, out of political expediency. Hillary placed personal political ambition above human life. Any Dem who supports her is in complete denial, out of touch with reality and are abdigating their moral duty to show respect for the thousands who have died unjustly because of her vote. Talk about cults and idol worship!
Posted by: maddymappo | February 7, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am
The cult was the Edwards supporters. They were all over the place on the internets posting hosannahs to John and Elizabeth. Half of the “recommended” diaries on dailykos were Edwards diaries for most of last year. It got to be a running joke that you only needed to put “Edwards” in the title to get the diary to the recommended list.
And he was a candidate who NEVER had any serious chance at the nomination.
Posted by: Karen Milland | February 7, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am
The only reason I support Obama is because he has the prettiest girls backing him up.
Posted by: Fool In Love | February 7, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am
A Chinese proverb to think about: “A man who says everything in quotes, really says nothing at all.” This is a hit-job by a Clinton supporter/writer wanting “access” to next possibly president so he can advance his career. Jake really says nothing at all because the majority of his blog entry is in quotes. For the Obama supporters, don’t let Hillary’s supporters draw you into these conversations, it’s a Clinton tactic to draw focus away from her shortcomings. (On a side note, to the Clinton supporters, are you really excited to have Bubba in the White House again or have you forgotten we all couldn’t wait for him to leave office because of the non-stop issues clouding his actual presidency).
Posted by: jay | February 7, 2008, 11:09 am 11:09 am
Yesterday clinton was shaking hands with sen kennedy and joking about his endorsment obama turned toward her and turned back to talk to sen johnson then she said hey obama i am sure glad he (kennedy)endorsed you with a sigh jokingly at that point he was grabbed by the elbow by sen kerry and led out of the chamber.
Posted by: James springfield mo | February 7, 2008, 11:10 am 11:10 am
well, in a way, Obama’s “people” could be considered “cult-like”…In a cult, you usually have one main egoistic leader, smooth-talkin his way into your brain…i just hope Obama’s cult isnt big enough to vote in the most inexperienced president we’ve ever had…if you think the “Bush Years” were a big waste of time…just wait..i guarantee that most of us will be ready to get rid of whoever does make it to the oval office, after about a year or so..i dont care if you like Obama, Clinton, McCain, or Romney…they are allllll full of manure…;)
Posted by: ben | February 7, 2008, 11:10 am 11:10 am
I generally don’t look to the MSM for accurate (or even truthful) analysis, but for once they’re right.
There is no doubt that Obama is intelligent and charismatic but then, so was Jim Jones and we all know how that turned out.
Thus far I haven’t heard Obama say anything of substance at all. He talks a good game, but he isn’t saying anything and I find what little bit he has said to be wholly naive and bordering on dangerous.
Before the Obama ‘followers’ attack me, I am no Clinton supporter… in fact, there hasn’t been a dem on the ticket I would support since the first philanderer’s first campaign, and I didn’t support him then either!
We the people have been left with no legitimate choice for president and we the people will suffer for it. We have lost control of Congress. They seem to think they’re in control, not us, so until we rein them in and show them who is in charge it wont matter much which lousy candidate we’re stuck with as our president, the Congress will follow their own idea’s of right and wrong, good and bad, and continue to push this country toward socialism and a full blown nanny state where we are all dependant upon the government for our very lives. We are so far off the path that this country started on… and all anyone seems to care about is their idiotic partisan ways. This is not the country I volunteered to fight and die for. We can thank our so called ‘leaders’-BOTH PARTY’S- for the air of hate and futility, they started it and they continue to divide this country over it and if anyone think Obama or any other presidential candidate is going to fix it you are foolish, naive and blinded by rhetoric.
Posted by: DJH | February 7, 2008, 11:10 am 11:10 am
I’m no fan of Hannity, but I saw a clip from his show where he asked a group of twenty or so Obama supporters to name one accomplishment of their presidential hopeful. No one could name even one. They only answers were platitudes. That is scary.
Unless there is collusion – tacit or otherwise – I would think the MSM should be all over this guy. He is the slickest, and has the hardest, most perfect veneer of any candidate. Yet the MSM seems to worship at his altar as much as those airheads who couldn’t name a single accomplishment.
If Obama wins in November, what will he do? What will he do in the first 100 days and thereafter? What are his top 10 priorities for legislation? What will he do in Iraq? What will he do about illegal immigration? What will he do about the economy? “Change” is not a policy. “Change” does not make the country better.
As smart as he is, I get the feeling we’d have an empty suit as POTUS.
Posted by: DrDeano | February 7, 2008, 11:10 am 11:10 am
I am actually neither Obama nor Hillary fan. But I just feel dizzy that so many people knelt down and threw money out when they heard the word “change” from an idolized figure. It is a phenomena, if not a phantom. If you look at the specific line items that Obama proposed that he could offer to this country, where can you see though the real “change” he may bring in? Just a new rank and file? I wish it would not evolve into sort of blind movement. Will you enjoy a laughable Cultural Revolution?
Posted by: follow&worship | February 7, 2008, 11:11 am 11:11 am
It’s insane and frightening that someone with as little experience as Obama can be this far along in the nominating process. He could read a cereal box and sound convincing, but is he really going to know what to do for this country and how to do it? Don’t let his hypnotizing evangelical lilt turn your brain to mush. The world is too complicated and scary to trust our country to a political novice who seems to be having delusions of grandeur.
Posted by: mb | February 7, 2008, 11:11 am 11:11 am
I would much rather take my chances with Obama than vote for the status quo yet again. Do you seriously want McCain or Hillary? They are exactly the same. I am a US citizen and a Muslim and I am sick and tired of being nervous and worried about another terrorist attack on US soil – I want our country to reach out to everyone and make peace. Peace always brings prosperity and a better quality of life for everyone.
Posted by: Garba | February 7, 2008, 11:11 am 11:11 am
The Cult of Obama is dreaming.
Mr. Obama is sizzle, but no steak.
Desperate Dem’s are blindily eager to vote for a man who has limited political experience and absolutely no military experience.
I firmly believe if it’s Obama v. McCain, it will be an easy GOP win. If it’s Hillary v. McCain, it’s her race to lose. Yet the liberals within the Democratic party are scuttling their victory for their ‘saviour’ Obama: A candidate with hope, dreams, and aspirations, but little to no clear methods of gaining them – much like his ethereal supporters.
Funny, wasn’t religion a GOP thing? Guess the Democratic party is going ‘Cult’ on us…
Posted by: Alex | February 7, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am
Wow, finally some people are still awake, I really cannot watch TV news and go to digg any more. It’s out of control, and almost make me sick. They don’t know any issue about Senator Obama support or against, and they only repeat and repeat attack other people’s different opinions.
I agree with some of you said it is great to see many people are enthusiastic about Senator Obama, but how about just be balance and calm and listen other people’s voice.
Posted by: tiffany | February 7, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am
The bottom line is this: Obama is not owned by special interest money like the rest of the field in both parties. That said, he is his own man. I don’t agree with him on half the issues, especially ethanol. But I will accept less than perfect judgement over special interest corruption any day, and make no mistake about it, that is the driving force behind most of his supporters. His financial independence from the media and corporate world already represents a huge change, a change so desperately needed in this country that Obama could propose day care centers built in toxic waste dumps and still be given the benefit of the doubt by most of his supporters.
Posted by: Bruce W | February 7, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am
Maybe you dont like the tone of this article – but I A STILL WAITING to hear Obama talk about issues.
Obama has voted ‘present’ for 67% of his senatorial votes so far.
He does not take a stand, have a solution – nothing – so far.
When he stops being a serial campaigner and starts addressing the issues then I listen.
Until then – he is not worth any vote whatsoever.
All he has is hope? Thats a good place to start but HE NEEDS A PLAN!
Posted by: Robert, New York City, NY | February 7, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am
Senator Clinton’s team has been effectively stopped from pointing out a simple truth: Many Americans are not going to vote for a African-American for president. I am not talking about the South, no Dem is going to win the South. I am talking about Northerners who say they are for Obama in a poll, but will not vote for him… remember the NH polls? Obama can not beat McCain. We must stick with Senator Clinton, a proven leader.
Posted by: Jimmy | February 7, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am
Obama is a PHONY.He speaks like hes martin luther king but the man is no activist. hes a lawyer like all the dems who run for president.
Posted by: Ty | February 7, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am
Why does he vote “present” all the time. What is he afraid of? That he will leave a trail of just how extremely liberal he is and it will hurt him in the future. America will cease to exist as it has in the last 200 yrs if he gets elected. No borders, no guns, UN dominance of our nations policy, higher taxes,big brother goverment control,minoriity mandates etc etc.
Posted by: rick | February 7, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am
Why is youthful enthusiasm so easily dismissed? First you want to get young people engaged and involved and when they are you then dismiss them as ‘fools’. Why? Are you so old and cynical that you can’t see that something great is happening here? People are excited about something! Young and old, black and white. Now you want to fear it. Unbelieveable.
Posted by: Trinity | February 7, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am
I agree. This thing is frightening. I’ve been feeling creeped out for weeks about the religious revival feel of the Obama support. To add to that, his most rabid followers are fervent in demeaning anyone who questions his rhetoric or asks detailed questions about his platforms. Scary, scary, scary.
Posted by: Mary | February 7, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am
I’ve listed and listed to Barak but I don’t hear a message. Just feel good follow me platitiuds. What is scary is that lost sheep will follow a wolf in sheperds clothing.
Posted by: alan | February 7, 2008, 11:20 am 11:20 am
It’s true people are very enthused by him. But to make this out to be a negative is kind of odd. Is this really an article about people being too inspired and too enthused? Ha! I’ve heard everything now…
Posted by: Lu | February 7, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am
Maybe you have to be a non-baby-boomer to understand. I was raised in the America of Bush and Clinton. I’m not sure what else needs to be said. There is something refreshing about him even though I disagree with a few of his stances. I am the cynical Gen-Xer that has jumped on the bandwagon. For once I actually see something in a politician I believe in.
Posted by: JF | February 7, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am
Because, as we all know this country loves to be divided about something, or anything, it just would not be right if one day everyone decided to work peacefully together for a better tomorrow.
Posted by: EVERYBODY | February 7, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am
CULT???
Funny- This is the same mystic that all charismatic people seem to have. It’s called “IT”.
OBAMA has “IT”
George Clooney has “IT”
Princess Diana had “IT”
Oprah has “IT”
Denzel Washington has “IT”
John F. Kennedy had “IT”
Bill Clinton used to have “IT”
(although he still can turn it on when he needs to)
Hillary wishes she had “IT”.
GREAT CEO’s have “IT”.
The ability to inspire others to get involved to become part of something “bigger then themselves”.
Barack is not a CULT – he has managed to inspire us all to get excited about OUR COUNTRY AGAIN.
AFTER 8 YEARS OF BEING TERRORIZED – with the Red-Yellow-and ORANGE color terror status, we ALL would like to just live again.
We live in a GREAT COUNTRY – WE SHOULD BE PROUD. after 8 years of the Bush administration – with all the lies – deceit-cheating-and disenchantment, it’s refreshing to finally take a DEEP BREATH OF FRESH AIR.
After 8 years of breathing – NEGATIVE nasty – foul air — OBAMA is the FRESH AIR THIS COUNTRY NEEDS!
Posted by: Traci | February 7, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am
Amen to that Jake!
Posted by: mh from decatur | February 7, 2008, 11:22 am 11:22 am
When Obama says “This guy was God before I was” about Morgan Freeman’s roles as an actor, I wonder if Barack means he is just acting messiah-like or he has drunk the kool-aid along with his other true believers.
Posted by: Ron | February 7, 2008, 11:22 am 11:22 am
Anyone else not only creeped out by Obama;s cult, but the fact that a 7th grade teacher is running his/her own branch of it?
Posted by: Stan | February 7, 2008, 11:22 am 11:22 am
Hi rufus1133,
Supporters of Senator Clinton are not GOP fascists! Is this going to be Obama’s answer to every problem? Are you saying that everyone who is not FOR Obaba is a racists? Get real!
Posted by: Jimmy | February 7, 2008, 11:22 am 11:22 am
I’m proud of the two candidates but the Obama fever scares me on a number of levels. First, has anyone wondered why the right has NOT attacked Obama in the media? Sure there are the blogs, but everything else from Republicans/FOX has been praise and a demonization of HRC. Beware. Secondly, I felt as excited about Howard Dean 4 years ago. You know, the guy who was anti-war, getting the youth vote, breaking fundraising records. In fact, it was his campaign that set the stage for the “internet campaigning” we see today. So, what’s the fear? Dean was the front runner; he was on the cover of time; he was on top of all candidates; he WAS the symbol of change and a “movement.” Then, one fateful interview changed it all. The media darling soured the executives by telling Chris Matthews that he’d be willing to break up the media conglomerates, especially the likes of the Newscorp./FOX empire. Suddenly, Dean was the “angry” candidate that “peaked too soon” who was “too far left” to be an effective change monger. It wasn’t about his policies and how right he’s been about most things, especially the brilliant 50-state strategy that got the dems back in the majority or the fact that he said years ago that immigration will be the big Republican wedge issue in teh coming elections. No, it was about “is this man too crazy to be president?” Then came the “scream.” The selective filtering out of the deafening audience noise so that only HIS microphone could be heard made him a lunatic. The media had its moment, framed the event, framed him, and shot him down. Obama supporters beware. They will do the same to him. They just hate Hillary more at this point. When she’s out, look for pictures of him smoking, not smiling, getting angry, and reacting to the right wing talking points like a rookie. I pray it doesn’t come to this but please beware. Gore didn’t fight. Kerry didn’t fight. Will Obama?
Posted by: Mike in Dallas | February 7, 2008, 11:22 am 11:22 am
I have listened to Joe Klein of the Time Magazine. He gets all his talking points from the Clinton Campaign, and he believes strongly that Clinton is the solution to all our problems. He is a Clinton surrogate and he should just come out and say so. If you go on Barack’s website, there are specifics oon his thoughts on our dependency on foreign oil, the mortgage crisis, childhood education, immigration etc. But he still keeps on insisting that there are no specifics. He can barely concealed his hatred of Barack.. Joe, that would not get you anywhere. The American people would decide not people like you. You only have a vote like the rest of us. And we can see thru you, we know you are working for the Clinton campaign
Posted by: ezboy | February 7, 2008, 11:23 am 11:23 am
It’s unbelievable the spin I have seen this morning against Obama and his campaign. Is it because he is a legitimate threat now that the media is calling his movement a cult? I personally think it’s because it’s been polled that he is the only one that can beat McCain..AND he is actually winning! I have read and watched debates and his policies and plans are clearly and distinctly addressed. Not only on his web page but also in several of his debates. I’m tired of people saying he has no substance when he has given as much info on his proposals as all the other candidates. It’s just another spin that his opponents attempt to win numbers and ultimately not help the people.
Posted by: Martha | February 7, 2008, 11:24 am 11:24 am
If this is the best the news media can do in coming up with a criticism of Obama, I’ll take it.
Obama is inspiring a cultish devotion in his supporters? How awful! Maybe Hillary can come back with that line the next time someone criticizes her for her Iraq war vote.
Posted by: Dan D. | February 7, 2008, 11:24 am 11:24 am
This is NOT a new situation. During the 04 campaign we called them “Deaniacs”. Have you ever met a Dennis Kucinich suppporter? What about the Draft Al Gore folks? Many, many grassroot candidates solicit a following of overzealous supporters that sometimes creep out those of us who have been in the political game a long time. Frankly, even the candidates sometimes try to politely distance themselves.
Barack Obama is an amazing public speaker and inspiration to many who have not been involved before. Don’t hold it against him. He doesn’t walk on water or part the red sea. He’s just a smart, attractive candidate and he’s got my vote!
Posted by: Carol Heflin | February 7, 2008, 11:25 am 11:25 am
If actually have followed Obama’s career, there is very little uncertainty regarding what he wants to do. If you watch the news networks, all you get is the gooshy mass appeal language that either begins or ends Obama’s stump speeches. Universal access to health care, pro-active and direct foreign diplomacy, rejoining the community of nations to combat poverty, terrorism and climate change, a return to focus on rehabilitation in order to end our gulag state. Dang, and i don’t even donate or work for the guy. I just pay attention. Try on it for size, folks.
Posted by: Criminal_D | February 7, 2008, 11:25 am 11:25 am
Sadly u see life through key hole. Get over your norrow minded veiws and join the American history making which Obama for president. We support Obama is because his honest,smart and down right inspretional.
Posted by: Cuz | February 7, 2008, 11:25 am 11:25 am
Now there is a bias in the media? Its funny how when the machine turns on its own how there is a bias. This article is from the tentacles of the Clintons. They are far reaching and have there own cult following. As a conservative the election has been done for a while. Because of the “disenfranchising” model of the primaries I had no voice (Texas). McCain is no conservative his only hope is to pull some Dems over and goes against Clinton. The false prophet Huckabee are not concervative either. Romney almost is. Obama will wipe the floor with any of the remaining republicans in debates. I would rather have Obama win and deal with the economy that is heading for a recession, pull out the troops and have an even bigger fiasco in Iraq. And when he can’t get any of his ideas passed through hopefully conservatives will WAKE up and finally fight.
Posted by: j | February 7, 2008, 11:25 am 11:25 am
Wake up People!
If you think Obama is some “saviour”..all you have found is a false prophet who manages to garner enough money to use the media to blind your eyes.
He is also a “poser” who is not experienced enough to be in the same room with “the big boys”.
He is also an excellent actor,playing the part of a knowledgeable leader and comparing himself to the likeness of Kennedy or Martin Luther King Jr.
He is none of these.
Give me someone with a real resume any day..and not someone who genuflects to Ronald Reagan either.
Gunder
Posted by: Gunder | February 7, 2008, 11:25 am 11:25 am
If actually have followed Obama’s career, there is very little uncertainty regarding what he wants to do. If you watch the news networks, all you get is the gooshy mass appeal language that either begins or ends Obama’s stump speeches. Universal access to health care, pro-active and direct foreign diplomacy, rejoining the community of nations to combat poverty, terrorism and climate change, a return to focus on rehabilitation in order to end our gulag state. Dang, and i don’t even donate or work for the guy. I just pay attention. Try on it for size, folks.
Posted by: Criminal_D | February 7, 2008, 11:26 am 11:26 am
Joe Klein works for Time Magazine but moonlights for the Clinton campaign after hours. Joe – stop parading yourself as an objective observer, because you are not
Posted by: Mark | February 7, 2008, 11:26 am 11:26 am
“mass messianism”? Obama’s message is about us. It is because that message resonates with so many that makes it about us – not him. A few supporters expressing their exuberance in extreme ways does not change the basic message.
He is simply the communicator reflecting back the best within us. The basic message is about casting aside what divides us and focusing on what unites us. That has a very real application in politics.
It’s sad to see that politics-as-usual has made so many distrustful of anything that feels like hope or unity. We have become so divided, which has weakened us. Special interests have used wedge issues to do this for so many years now.
Why “shoot the messenger” of hope and unity or those who believe in it? This seems almost like a “soft” hatchet job, like the Clintons’ “false hope” or “fairy tale”, meant to tamp down our enthusiasm.
We cannot afford to be distrustful or fatigued with messages of hope.
Posted by: Whiting | February 7, 2008, 11:26 am 11:26 am
I am a democrat from Oklahoma..I will NEVER EVER vote for this guy until he has MORE experience.I wish the press would stop giving this “i have a crush” coverage to this guy and start hitting him with some serious quesions..If he is the nominee i am voting McCain..PERIOD
Posted by: ron | February 7, 2008, 11:27 am 11:27 am
The tendency to smear anything oppositional to our belief and value is common because it rattles our shaky foundation, insecurity, and poor self-esteem. These people do not have the capacity to tolerate, and least appreciate, differences. The levels of guilt, anxiety, aggression, self-loathing are so high that we need to find an outlet. And we do that by persecuting in others what we dare not face in ourselves.
Posted by: Frank | February 7, 2008, 11:27 am 11:27 am
We’re becoming an ‘Obama-nation’
Posted by: Tootie | February 7, 2008, 11:27 am 11:27 am
I think with a republican congress to keep him in check Obama could be a popular presidenct, especially abroad and with the media. It might be style over substance but sometimes substance can get us in trouble. On the other hand he could be another Jimmy Carter and create a whole new generation of conservatives. Either way, it’s not looking to be a good election for the far right, they will be disappointed no matter who gets elected. I hate election years. There are always a lot of nuts on both side who use politics to deal with a lot of their personal problems.
Posted by: Tom in CT | February 7, 2008, 11:28 am 11:28 am
Watching the
CNN coverage on Tuesday night, every
time the cameras rolled at Obama headquarters in Illinois, the crowd faced the camera and shouted down the reporter.
To these supporters, I say, be careful what you wish for; you might just get it.
A narcissistic, self-centered, know-it-
all with nothing but a glib tongue.
Posted by: Albert Savoy | February 7, 2008, 11:28 am 11:28 am
I totally agree with this article.Most of the intelligent folks in this country will stop and weigh what he says and what his pattern in history has been. I will not vote for someone because Ted Kennedy, Oprah, or anyone else backs him or her. I have a mind of my own. I do not want to be owned by anyone. I want to know the facts about a peron’s history. What will he/she do? What have they done in the past when faced with difficult situations? In searching for answers to whom would best serve us, let us not throw caution to the wind. None of us are little gods and know all. All I can say is I know God and Obama surely is not Him.
Posted by: Renee | February 7, 2008, 11:28 am 11:28 am
Swing-and-a-miss.
Try again, ABC.
Posted by: Doug | February 7, 2008, 11:28 am 11:28 am
Neither Hill Clinton nor Obama inspire me nothing. And no matter how the PBS, CBS, NBCBS, CNNBS, ABCBS, Times…love to kiss his. I only judge what ideas she or he offer.
Posted by: hasebina | February 7, 2008, 11:28 am 11:28 am
Thanks for articulating my thoughts so well. When faced with casting a vote on Tuesday, the contrast in health plans sealed my vote for Clinton. Her plan was actually steeped in pragmatism rather than dubious assumptions about costs. In short, it was the perfect microcosm for both platforms; namely, Obama speaks in broad, abstract strokes bereft of details. While not overly-enthused, I know what I’m getting with Clinton. I can’t say the same about Obama. He is a a manufactured candidate.
Posted by: tony | February 7, 2008, 11:28 am 11:28 am
I’m sure a lot of people thought those crazies who signed the Declaration of Independence were a cult, too.
Minimizing a political movement as a cult is just an attempt to deflate it.
I find most Obama supporters I encounter surprisingly conversant with his policies on the economy, health care, foreign relations. I get many more details from them about why they support Obama than I ever get from Clinton supporters who never seem able to tell me what her “experience” has produced and how she intends to enact or finance any of her proposals.
It takes a lot of energy, enthusiasm and determination to change the status quo. Maybe that feels like a cult to some, but to me it feels like a return to American ideals.
Posted by: Dean | February 7, 2008, 11:29 am 11:29 am
It is interesting reading all the uninformed dribble people have posted here. As to Mr Obama’s religion and church. He is a Chrisitian who attends the United Church of Christ which for those who do not know started as the Congregational Church originated by the Pilgrims in Massachusetts (pretty solid American). If you are truly interested in reading Mr Obama’s position on any subject drop into his web site
Posted by: BooMan | February 7, 2008, 11:30 am 11:30 am
I really hate articles like this. Obama is an inspiration. He motivates Americans of every race, color, and creed to do one of the most American things they can do and that’s be passionately involved in the American political process. Instead of being excited and supporting this turn in the right direction media outlets like yours do the exact opposite. I’ve been giving to the Obama campaign for a while now and I’m about to give a little bit more. And you know what? Every time I read a dumb article like this it inspires me to voice my disdain for the jerks that wrote and published it and packaged it as news by sending Obama a couple more dollars. No I don’t think Obama is Jesus. I just love my country and am excited to see a real person with the desire and the aptitude to lead my country. Sorry if you can’t understand my optimism or should I say… Hope?
Posted by: Jamel | February 7, 2008, 11:31 am 11:31 am
Yes Betty, that is realy what is all about.. you can stop now!
Posted by: Jimmy | February 7, 2008, 11:31 am 11:31 am
Obama himself may well have a lot more substance than the article implies but there are indeed cult like aspects to his followers.
You only have to look at the church he has chosen to attend and pastor that leads it to realize that there lots of question marks surrounding his presidential bid.
The sad truth is that neither the likely winner on the Dem side (Obama or Hillary) and the likely winner on the GOP side (McCain)inspire any one, who really thinks about it, with confidence that things will end up in good hands.
Now, if Bloomberg were to enter the race, I would vote for him in a flash. Give me pragmatism over cultism any day.
Posted by: Ted Swart | February 7, 2008, 11:32 am 11:32 am
The chorus of cynics will only grow louder and more dissonant…
Several things: I resent very much being characterized by anyone as a cult member. I’d punch you in the face if you were right here. The fact is that I’ve done my research and I know where each and every candidate stands on each and every issue. I don’t agree with everything Obama says, but the fact that he can attract many people to his banner is huge for me. After all, you need votes to win.
The chorus of cynics will only grow louder and more dissonant…
Posted by: Jimbo | February 7, 2008, 11:32 am 11:32 am
It is fine with me, I believe in Jesus and I believe in the Bible. It may be the sign that revealed in the Bible, the end of days is near and the redemption from Jesus is very near
Posted by: Henry Vu | February 7, 2008, 11:33 am 11:33 am
I agree with your article. I am a democrat and will support either candidate for president of the United States. I have heard may of Mr. Obama’s speeches and I do beleave that his speeches are great, inspirational and moving. However, we need more than a great speaker to lead this country. I AGREE WITH THE ARTICLE…
Posted by: C.Reyes | February 7, 2008, 11:33 am 11:33 am
Ron,
What experience does McCain have? 20 years in the Senate, bickering with everyone, backstabbing friends, trashing moderate and liberal supporters when the Republican primaries roll around . . .Oh, yeah, and that experience that tells him that 60 years in Korea is a success of some sort, that 100 years in Iraq is ok even if BOTH Americans and Iraqis want us out. Or is it his PhD in Economics? The guys a quack, and honest quack, but a quack nonetheless. We aren’t winning OK anyway, so good riddance. If your choice is to not think, please just stay at home and shut up.
Posted by: Criminal_D | February 7, 2008, 11:33 am 11:33 am
I AM NOT AN AMERICAN AND I AM NOT SURE WHETHER IT IS A GOOD IDES IN THE FIRST PLACE TO BE AN AMERICAN. BUT I TELL YOU THAT THERE IS SOMETHING UNIQUE ABOUT OBAMA THAT POLITICAL EXPEDIENCY BEING WITNESSED BY THE CLINTONS NEVER CROSS HIS VISION OF AMERICA FOR THE FUTURE. COME TO YOUR MIND AND BELIEVE AGAIN NOT FOR AMERICA ONLY BUT THE WORLD AT LARGE BY GIVING THE CHANCE TOP A MAN WHO HAS PROVED TO BE SMART BY BEING WHERE HE IS DESPITE ALL THE CHALLENGES AND OBSTACLES.
Posted by: eyassu | February 7, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am
Joe Klein is dead wrong. There’s nothing cult-like about this surge of support for Obama, and it does have as much to do with us as with him. It is the combination of the qualities iof mind and character evinced in his books and his life, together with our yearning for an intelligent and broad-minded leader after years of tragic obscurantism. There’s nothing mysterious about the phenomenon – what is mysterious, even now, is how this country allowed itself to be governed for so long by his opposite.
Posted by: Bruce A. McAllister | February 7, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am
I see the word “scary” used a lot here. Those on the right are scared, scared that the country might go back to the little people who do the bidding of big business, scared that the country will change, well too late, it’s already changing and I see that as a very good thing. Go ahead and be scared, go ahead and freak out like the rest have been for the last 8 years. Being on the verge of all out world wide war is scary, loosing our respect in the world is scary, putting our armed forces in senseless, dangerous places is scary, spewing hate and saying things like the left hate our soldiers and that the left enjoy abortions. The abortion issue is only a vote gathering tool and if George was so against it why is it still around, because the president can’t change it, so why bring it up? Oh, that’s right, because people will blindly vote for those who say they are against a citizens right to make a decision. These are the scary things, Barack Obama and his followers are not to be feared accept by those who want more of the same, more war, more profits for CEO’s, more of everything the people don’t want. The cult is the right and their blind outlook for our great country.
Posted by: Mudlake Slim | February 7, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am
What do you expect when you starve people for decades? And don’t say ‘what about Bill?’
Bill Clinton got 43% and 49% That’s not charisma or leadership or anything else.
Posted by: Damien | February 7, 2008, 11:35 am 11:35 am
The bottom line is this: Obama is not owned by special interest money like the rest of the field in both parties. That said, he is his own man. I don’t agree with him on half the issues, especially ethanol. But I will accept less than perfect judgement over special interest corruption any day, and make no mistake about it, that is the driving force behind most of his supporters. His financial independence from the media and corporate world already represents a huge change, a change so desperately needed in this country that Obama could propose day care centers built in toxic waste dumps and still be given the benefit of the doubt by most of his supporters.
Posted by: Bruce W | February 7, 2008, 11:35 am 11:35 am
I’m a Reagan Republican and I was thinking of voting for Obama because I don’t want to go to hell.
( Unless liberal hell was an Ann Rand/Atlas Shrugged/Utopia kind o’ place. That might be Okey Dokey.)
Posted by: Tom | February 7, 2008, 11:36 am 11:36 am
For years people have complained that the American people have no feeling at all for politics and now that they do you try to slam it as some sort of cult like uprising. The whole theme of your article is patently absurd. What is remotely “cult” like about a candidate saying that we have the solutions to our problems? People like you have to propagate nonsense like this because you are a fan of the status quo. Let’s have another 16 years of Clinton’s and Bush’s. 16 more years of dishonesty and duplicity. You worry about the “religious” aspects of the Obama campaign, maybe it almost SOUNDS religious because the politically most Americans probably DO FEEL that that have been wandering in the desert for years and now someone is coming along and offering them REAL CHANGE and REAL LEADERSHIP. He is offering the OPPORTUNITY for every American to get affordable health insurance (without jamming it down their throats and FORCING them to pay for it like Ms Clinton). Obama is going re-engange us with the rest of the world, even with people we don’t like. Whether you want to accept it or not America has LOST its influence in the world and we cannot invade everyone, sometimes we are going to actually have to SPEAK to people we do not like and do not agree with. These are just some of the reasons people are so enthusiastic in their support for Obama, not because they seem him as a “MESSIAH”
Posted by: MAS | February 7, 2008, 11:36 am 11:36 am
I am so frustrated here. We finally have an instance where people are actually coming together to get things done
Posted by: Matt | February 7, 2008, 11:36 am 11:36 am
For years people have complained that the American people have no feeling at all for politics and now that they do you try to slam it as some sort of cult like uprising. The whole theme of your article is patently absurd. What is remotely “cult” like about a candidate saying that we have the solutions to our problems? People like you have to propagate nonsense like this because you are a fan of the status quo. Let’s have another 16 years of Clinton’s and Bush’s. 16 more years of dishonesty and duplicity. You worry about the “religious” aspects of the Obama campaign, maybe it almost SOUNDS religious because the politically most Americans probably DO FEEL that that have been wandering in the desert for years and now someone is coming along and offering them REAL CHANGE and REAL LEADERSHIP. He is offering the OPPORTUNITY for every American to get affordable health insurance (without jamming it down their throats and FORCING them to pay for it like Ms Clinton). Obama is going re-engange us with the rest of the world, even with people we don’t like. Whether you want to accept it or not America has LOST its influence in the world and we cannot invade everyone, sometimes we are going to actually have to SPEAK to people we do not like and do not agree with. These are just some of the reasons people are so enthusiastic in their support for Obama, not because they seem him as a “MESSIAH”
Posted by: MAS | February 7, 2008, 11:36 am 11:36 am
BARAK OBAMA IS A WELL SPOKEN, LIKEABLE HUMAN BEING, WITH A GREAT WIFE AND FAMILY, AND A FEW YEARS IN GOVERNMENT.
BUT, NOT ENOUGH EXPERIENCE TO SUDDENLY BE CATAPULTED ONTO THE WORLD STAGE OF LIONS, TIGERS, AND BEARS.
FURTHER, AS ANOTHER WRITER HERE STATED, HE HAS NOT GIVEN US ANYTHING OF SUBSTANCE TO INDICATE HOW HE WOULD GOVERN THIS COUNTRY. NEVER MIND HOW HE WOULD DEAL WITH THOSE WHO WANT OUR DESTRUCTION.
I BELIEVE TODAY TOO MANY AMERICANS ARE BEING DRIVEN BY EMOTIONS AND PULLED BY THIS MANTRA OF “CHANGE” WITHOUT ANEXPLANATION, AT OUR OWN PERIL.
ENTHUSIASM DOES NOT TRUMP EXPERIENCE.
THESE TIMES CALL FOR SOMEONE WHO HAS RUN AND MADE MAJOR DECISIONS IN PRIVATE AND in GOVERNMENT POSITIONS AND HAS THE DEMEANOR AND THE TEMPERMENT TO BE CALM IN TURMOIL AND FIRM WHEN REQUIRED
Posted by: Mary | February 7, 2008, 11:36 am 11:36 am
DEMOCRATS the party of the people, the poor, the disenfranchised, the racially oppressed, equality . Yet here they are disenfranchising their own voters in fl and mi without blinking an eye, in the midst of a racist campaign from both sides, while all their followers fanatically abuse and demean each other while sending these clowns millions and millions of dollars to continue their charade. If you really cared about your fellow man and country, you would instead send those checks to organizations that need it to help the very people etc you claim to hold so dearly.
Posted by: sc | February 7, 2008, 11:37 am 11:37 am
Joe Klein’s and others’ observations on this are hardly worth noting, considering how he and others misrepresented democrat and opposition viewpoints in the past. It’s not a question of reporters being neutral , the middle point between an extremely distorted understanding of reality and a less distorted distorted understanding, it’s the question of whether or not a reporter believes that the truth can be gotten at, and that that truth matters.
Posted by: Erik thompson | February 7, 2008, 11:37 am 11:37 am
Ask an HRC supporter about Hillary’s vote authorizing a preemptive war and their eyes glaze over. They get a weird distant look and tell you how since Bush fooled them, they can believe Hillary was fooled too. Point out that HRC was a US Senator who had the voice to ask tough questions and access to the reports and a responsibility to our country. Her vote placed her own political ambitions over human life. Ask the supporter how they can vote for her in view of this. Their eyes glaze over. They tell you they respect your opinion about the war, but youi know, Hillary is just so very competent. Ask them if her policies can bring back to life the dead, and they glare at you as if you must be crazy to hold a Senator responsible for making a life or death decision that was disastrous for our nation.In the memory of all those who have unjustly died in Iraq and their suffering families, let’s show the world that Americans are truly outraged at the leaders who misled them into starting an unnecessary war. Contribute to the Obama campaign today.
PS: Mary, Obama has been in elected office for nine years, more than HRC. Don’t be fooled by the Clinton’s misinformation campaign
Posted by: maddymappo | February 7, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am
I am shocked that some folks here are trying to acuse non-Obama supporters who use “cult” or “cult-like” as racist.
You ARE DISGUSTING.
I am Black. Again, I AM BLACK. A proud African American husband, father, and provider.
So let me be clear:
OBAMACULT
OBAMACULT
OBAMACULT
OBAMACULT
OBAMACULT
OBAMACULT
OBAMACULT
OBAMACULT
OBAMACULT
OBAMACULT
This is what is worrying me. Words and behavior matter in life. Barack’s tone and words are very worrisome, and his supporters are reacting with cult-like bahavior.
Posted by: Will | February 7, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am
Dear rufus1133,
Your words make this man’s point. You sound as if you have gone over the edge.
I repeat: One half of the Dem party are not racists and fascists just because they do not support your guy. That is silly and does not help the Dem cause. Do you want to see McCain as president?
Posted by: Jimmy | February 7, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am
Read George F. Will’s column today entitled, “Will the Democrats blow it?” (subtitle: Clinton would unite divided Republicans around McCain). Ignore the signs and clues at your peril Democrats. It would be so sad if we blew another election, but we seem to be working our way toward that goal nonetheless again, surprisingly. It just amazes me that we keep making the same mistakes over and over again because enough of the Democratic electorate votes on whims rather than good, reasoned judgement and with the goal of getting our nominee elected in the general election. Hillary would make a good President, but she isn’t the best leader, she doesn’t inspire and unite, she isn’t the best choice among the two candidates, and there is a high probability that she won’t win a general election against a nominee like McCain (Romney or Huckabee yes, but not McCain). Again, ignore the realities and the clues at everyone’s peril. What a price to pay for making the wrong judgement….JUDGEMENT is important and matters, you see. Experience is just experience if you don’t learn and grow from it. The American people want something and someone DIFFERENT because we want REAL change, so join the movement of get out of the way….
Posted by: Kim | February 7, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am
TO “Mike in Dallas:… The media had its moment, framed the event, framed him, and shot him down. Obama supporters beware. They will do the same to him. They just hate Hillary more at this point. When she’s out, look for pictures of him smoking, not smiling, getting angry, and reacting to the right wing talking points like a rookie. I pray it doesn’t come to this but please beware. Gore didn’t fight. Kerry didn’t fight. Will Obama?”
I am afraid you just identified where the GOP and possibly Hillary will attack Obama next – with smoking cigarettes (he quit), with his earlier rookie talking points, and his angry responses to the right wing. The Obama of the past can be painted as juvenile, which they’ll surly do to put him on the defensive. As a Obama supporter I say to all of us supporting him, this smear campaign is no near the level of atrociousness that it promises to reach before we actually elect a president. Stay strong.
Posted by: jay | February 7, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am
I believe it was John Kennedy who said the job [President]is too big for any one man to have the required knowledge and experience. The key to success is for the President to surround himself with the best and the brightest in all fields. This Obama will do. He’s taken no money from PACs, lobbyists or special interests groups. Unlike Bush, who gave all the important appointments to his buddies and contributors, Obama will choose well. He is unemcumbered and owes no one. The exciting thing about Obama is that he has, and will continue to inspire many of the experts to work in public service again. He is the only candidate who has cut through the demoralizing layers of corruption and self interest that have become part of the system.
Posted by: Kaye | February 7, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am
“We are the ones we’ve been waiting for” – Give me a break, I’m waiting for healthcare. Thanks Obama, but I already have faith. Does anyone else get upset at the fact that his ministry like preaching is distracting the entire Primary away from discussing real policy?
Posted by: Jane | February 7, 2008, 11:40 am 11:40 am
what’s probably causing so much cognitive dissonance about Obama’s campaign is what’s been so successful about it: Obama is approaching politics like a Community Organizer.
so far, politics really have been focused on the individual candidate, what he or she “can do for you”. and everyone has become incredibly cynical about politicians because they ultimately believe that politicians are just in it for themselves.
and then here comes Obama with his core message: the government is not just for the people, it REALLY IS by the people. i don’t know how the pundits are missing this, but it’s his core thinking: get actual citizens involved in their government again, get them to believe that all the corruption and criminal nonsense and partisan bickering can be changed if we stop sitting back like a disengaged electorate and work together to do something.
in this sense, i view Obama as a catalyst. none of the other candidates are or can be as effective in this as Obama is, simply because of their own natures and campaigns.
a “cult” is a group that enslaves its members and forces them do harmful things. what Obama’s campaign is doing, getting voters to stand with him instead of him standing on top of them (like some other candidates might prefer) is quite the OPPOSITE from a cult.
Posted by: Rob | February 7, 2008, 11:40 am 11:40 am
Heh, this is what they said about beatlemania. “Gosh, I just don’t get it. How creepy” Yet today the social revolution the kids from liverpool helped usher in is conventional wisdom.
Hey everybody, relax. The kids are alright.
Posted by: misterbone | February 7, 2008, 11:40 am 11:40 am
This isn’t about Obama, it’s about “Us”. The passion comes from people realizing that they can be truly involved which is a deeper seated desire than many realize. In my case, it’s not worship of a candidate, it that he “gets it” and he is asking me to lead by becoming involved. All the candidates are fallible, so I reject the notion of candidate worship. Listen to the tone of his campaign and you’ll see why people are really believing in themselves even more than they are in Obama. No one else really is expecting that of us, so I can’t get excited about my role with any of the others. Yes WE can…
Posted by: sd | February 7, 2008, 11:40 am 11:40 am
We are all qualified for PRESIDENT now, after putting up with a 2 term MORON, who rigged 2 “selections”. Experience means little now, I say elect the most opposite from the bushbaby we can get to, and now!!!!
Posted by: daddyblue | February 7, 2008, 11:40 am 11:40 am
As Obama’s rubes marched in unison…Satan himself must be enjoying this party.
Never thought I would find myself agreeing with Joe Klein about anything. I was wrong…
Posted by: Tex Taylor | February 7, 2008, 11:40 am 11:40 am
This article is spot-on. Obama-mania DOES seem like a cult, and Obama does use religious overtones in his speeches. He sounds like an evangelical preacher, not a presidential candidate.
I’m a Democrat who voted for Edwards before he dropped out, and I don’t really care who gets the nomination at this point, but I don’t feel like I can trust Obama. And for the commentors that say he’s a socialist, I would like to say, dream on. He’s as centrist as they come, and will not bring about the true change that this country NEEDS (ie universal single-payer health care, increased help for those in need).
Posted by: Dawn | February 7, 2008, 11:41 am 11:41 am
haha. it looks like ron paul and barack obama have something in common after all: a cult of fawning followers.
Posted by: its vintage duh | February 7, 2008, 11:42 am 11:42 am
Thank you – finally. I’ve been waiting for someone to say the emperor has no clothes about Obama. I might vote for him in 8 years but he has to prove himself first. Voting present 145 times in Illinois and not bothering to show up to vote on the Iranian Revolutionary Guard shows that Obama, not Clinton, does what’s politically expedient and does not give me faith in his leadership. Obama would be snack food for the Republicans and he’s a joke next to McCain.
Posted by: P. Washburn | February 7, 2008, 11:42 am 11:42 am
This is why I don’t trust democrats.Obama has no experience in running anything no bushiness no governorship been in senate only 2 years and most of the time didn’t take a stand.So here he comes along walking like a kool cat talking like MLK and Jesus combined about hope and change with no specifics at all and never walking the walk like jesus and mlk did.So the democrats go GOO GOO GAGA for this fake and are willing to make him president of the united states.thats a recipe for change alright.the kind that destroys a nation.
Posted by: tyrone | February 7, 2008, 11:42 am 11:42 am
Anyone who is truly against the preemptive war in Iraq who accepts Hillary’s explanation that she believed Bush, is the one who is a brainwashed zombie cultist.
Posted by: Bethg | February 7, 2008, 11:42 am 11:42 am
Mr. Obama’s popularity is to some degree a creation of a serious backlash to the existing administration.
Myself a lifelong Republican share the distain not so much resulting from the hard events of the past seven years but the reckless selling out of the Republican party to the fundamentalist right. MR. Bush is not a Republican in the sense that he is a smooth operator and like Hillary Clinton or Bob Dole before him, chose his party out of convenience.
Obama is liberal to the core…right down to his DNA. I think that people like that sincerity and are inspired by his intelligence & Reaganesque oratory skills.
I personally respect this man even though his philosophy of governance is different than mine. Part of me would be very excited to see him elected even though I may not vote for him.
Posted by: Don W | February 7, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am
Completely AGREE with this article. I am on a list serve, and freaked out by half of the posts. People are passionately in love with this campaign, and were lost once the CA primaries were over. They wanted to personally contact the delegates. . .
there is no order with all this obsession.
Posted by: Correct-O-Moondo | February 7, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am
Every candidate has their cult. Obama’s is young, online, and thus highly visible… nothing new.
Posted by: Ryan | February 7, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am
When millions of people who were previously “powerless” because they weren’t involved w/the political process finally get excited about someone, they’re enthusiasm and involvement is dismissed as a cult. You’ve chosen to take the low road and frame these people and their cause in a negative way, but pulling some sound bites and taking quotes out of context. This article is nasty rubbish.
Posted by: Lisa | February 7, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am
Not about Obama about you means: like the fundraising people are more involved, he’ll be transparent and involve people more in government, he’d be nowhere without people powering his campaign by volunteering.
However, the fear and cult thing is far more interesting. Mr. Klein could have asked the campaign “What did Senator Obama mean by that?” But it’s far more interesting to suggest a scary cult like figure.
Because fear, as we all know, is a powerful motivator and easily understood. Optimism and hope, now that’s just downright scary.
Can I be sane and NOT support Clinton?
Posted by: Scared | February 7, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am
This makes me very nervous. Remember the fervor in the Dean campaign right before it took a nosedive?
Barack, just be careful about any high-pitched “screams” at campaign events!!! ;)
Posted by: Mari Helen | February 7, 2008, 11:46 am 11:46 am
Why don’t we all just use whatever education we have to pick the candidate we think will actually do the best job.
Pick the one you’d want to rely on in a crisis….for whatever your reasons are, and vote.
In the end, every one of these candidates have something you bloggers and commenters don’t have….the balls to stand up in front of the whole world, offer themselves, and whatever they have to try to do what is right for the country.
Clearly, we’re never going to agree on what right really is…so just shut-up and vote.
We needn’t lable, or diefy them.
All we are asked to do is Vote.
Posted by: Kaypeas | February 7, 2008, 11:47 am 11:47 am
Thank GOD – finally people are catching on to what is NO SUBSTANCE. Democrats – you need to really look at who our choice is going to be. Where is the Beef?
We all want change, but people seem to ride the bandwagon without thinking what is best for the country.
Who wouldn’t court the young voters? They get all caught up in this and have no idea of what the “real world” brings.
Posted by: cinga | February 7, 2008, 11:47 am 11:47 am
Sorry
Being black doesn’t make you the last word on racism anymore than being Irish makes me a drunk. I don’t care what you are or where your from. If your opinion matters at all, though i would offer that it doesn’t, it sure as hell is not because of your race. You don’t get any special priveledge to call Obama’s campaign a cult because your black, although you sure make it seem like you do. Sorry, that time is over. No more david dukes, no more jesse jacksons. No more al sharpton, no more pat buchanan. It is time to turn the page on identity politics. It got us 8 years of reagan, 12 years of bush, and 8 years with a centrist married to a right wing congress. No more, no more.
Posted by: Criminal_D | February 7, 2008, 11:49 am 11:49 am
This might be the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever read. I attended a three day volunteer training seminar with about 200 other very committed Obama supporters here in Atlanta. I have traveled to South Carolina to canvass and help in the campaign office there many times. Over the last 10 months, I have met several hundred people as committed to this campaign as I am, and I can’t say that ANY of them fit the wild descriptions that this article suggests. There are a hand full of fanatics in every group – especially one as large as Obama’s camp. If you want a true group of nut jobs you need to write an article about the 9/11-truth-nonsense-spouting Ron Paul-ites. Now that’s a campaign with more than a bushel of bad apples.
Posted by: Chance | February 7, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am
CULT???
Funny- This is the same mystic that all charismatic people seem to have. It’s called “IT”.
OBAMA has “IT”
George Clooney has “IT”
Princess Diana had “IT”
Oprah has “IT”
Denzel Washington has “IT”
John F. Kennedy had “IT”
Bill Clinton used to have “IT”
(although he still can turn it on when he needs to)
All Democrats or left leaners…I’m guessing the original poster never considered that Ronald Reagan, Teddy Roosevelt and Abe Lincoln had “IT” as well. Just because you can be a public figure does not necessarily make you a great leader.
Posted by: Tony | February 7, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am
The only major candidate for president who has had a real job is Mitt Romney. Senators are legends in their own minds!! They have been told they are wonderful so many times they are starting to believe their own press releases. They represent themselves not the people…at least not “everyday pay your own taxes” people. Mrs. Clinton does not mind parting with her money..she never earned it. News flash….Running for public office is not hard work. Working for a living is hard work.
Posted by: cece | February 7, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am
a news article based on the hearsay of someone commenting on their personal feelings derived from reading internet postings – gotta love the media – i guess enthusiasm is wrong – perhaps inspiration has been whats lacking to move this government along – policies are useless if there can’t be implemented due to lack of support – hillary telling us how smart she is becuase she has been doing it so long – romney playing with his stock graphs – mccain refusing to change his mind on a war that never should have been started as some kind of evidence of his leadership skills – where is the inspiration there? – perhaps obama can inspire people to support his ideas to the point where politicians will have to support his policies – bush used fear to motivate – whats wrong with hope
Posted by: truthman | February 7, 2008, 11:51 am 11:51 am
It’s about time that media is waking up to the fact that the Obama campaign is devoid of substance. I am tired of candidates who try to codify the problems we face as a nation with a single word. Change? uh huh… OK… so let’s hear the plan, Mr. Obama.
Posted by: Rob | February 7, 2008, 11:51 am 11:51 am
Obama can talk and talk for days without actually saying anything.
” Change” \
” Seize the Moment”
” yes we can”
Broad emotional appeals to the uneducated and young
Posted by: Dennis D | February 7, 2008, 11:51 am 11:51 am
Wow just look at some of the negative Obama comments here. Maybe the Obama fans aren’t the “cult” or crazy ones after all. I can’t believe some of the weird and creepy stuff I’m reading coming from the other side (Hill’s side I suppose). Shame on you.
Posted by: Lisa | February 7, 2008, 11:51 am 11:51 am
hate to tell you this people but Hillary is no saint. Ex-board member of Walmart?? She also is still a major stockholder.
Posted by: Bob | February 7, 2008, 11:51 am 11:51 am
A few points. Obama is a well educated civil rights lawyer who has years of public service at the local, state and now federal level. Recently, in the Senate he voted to support a ban on the use of cluster bombs/mines which kill and maim people,livestock,etc long after war is over. Hillary voted to allow the use of cluster bombs/mines? Hillary has voted to support Bush’s war in Iraq 7 times over six years. He has always supported finding a way to resolve and end the conflict. Hillary has accepted more money from Health Care Giants than any other Presidential candidates including all of the Republican Candidates. ETC… Am I supportive of and inspired by Barack Obama. Yes, I am. Because I am informed and educated on many, many issues and his positions on those issues tend to align with mine. He is intelligent, dynamic, and believable. There is alot of enthusiasm, yes. But insinuating that is baseless and “creepy” is pandering to the ignorant.
Posted by: Nancy | February 7, 2008, 11:52 am 11:52 am
As a DEM, I’m excited about Obama for practical, not occultish reasons.
In contrast to some of his detractors who say he’s all poetry, he knows that talk runs the gamut from being inspiration to being cheap.
Clinton and Barack have similar voting records and policy positions, which means what matters is who can defeat a Republican and who, as President, can get their policies passed.
Barack is doing for progressives what Reagan did for conservatives–building up a broad base of support and crossover appeal.
This is how you’ll get immigration, economic, housing, war, and health care reforms passed.
Whether or not it’s fair to her, Hillary is a divisive figure and precisely the kind of President who is not likely to be transformative.
Thus, vote for who’s more likely to get passed the legislation you hold dear and realize that race, gender, region, religion, and party are distractions to political maturity.
Posted by: Marcus Watson | February 7, 2008, 11:52 am 11:52 am
There are some responses that prove the point that this crap actually scares people for no reason whatsoever. The fact that so many people are apparently so gullible, ignorant and easily swayed and scared by what anyone says (makes up) is one of the problems we as a country have in trying to elect the right person to lead us. All the misinformation and tactics used by various media and political bigwigs is enough to influence people over all the actual facts and information which proves the contrary out there…if people would just read, research, and become more informed decision makers. This election is too important to make judgements based on crap like this article. God help us….
Posted by: Kim | February 7, 2008, 11:52 am 11:52 am
Does it strike you as creepy that Hillary is starting to channel Obama? She’s picking lines from the speeches of Barack and Michelle Obama and making them her own. She’s taking voice lessons to try for better inflections in her voice. She was showing so much rhythm on stage Super Tuesday I thought she would start moonwalking. ;-) STOP!!!!
Posted by: Keith | February 7, 2008, 11:52 am 11:52 am
The Clintons had to call in a hitman because they are out of MONEY! Romney has put in what 30 mil of his own money. Guliani ran out of money. Billary is on the ropes.
Posted by: j | February 7, 2008, 11:52 am 11:52 am
Gimme a break!! EVERY politician has a cult-like followers.
Posted by: Cat | February 7, 2008, 11:53 am 11:53 am
This essay is right on target. Get a load of Obama campaign posters – do a search online. They remind me of that Che Guevara image and it is done intentionally. The guy is being promoted as if he is already some revolutionary legend, worshipped by lefties. In fact, he is still dripping wet behind the ears, and would not have a prayer of hitting the ground running and implementing all the change he fantasizes about.
I “HOPE” he doesn’t get elected.
Posted by: Steve Beach | February 7, 2008, 11:54 am 11:54 am
Obama supporters -your responses are exhibit A that this is a cult.
Posted by: geevill | February 7, 2008, 11:54 am 11:54 am
I have been saying for several days now that Obama’s speeches sound like the lyrics to some early 60′s folk songs – full of platitudes and the naivete of youth. There has been no push to call him to make sense and provide some detail to support this “all we need is love” pablum. The media needs to get over its “man-crush” and try to recapture what is left of its self respect.
Posted by: Chris in Atlanta | February 7, 2008, 11:54 am 11:54 am
“The problem here is not supporters of the other candidates, it is the fact that the Obama supporters are obsessed over an individual who has not shown to take a stand on any issues,…” quote from spock..
He has taken a stand; one about which I cannot understand why there isn’t more comment and worry. He pledges his fervor, support and loyalty to Africa and Black America in his membership in the United Trinity Church of Christ. If Clinton, Huckabee, Romney or McCain supported any religion that excluded Black or America, they’d have been gone on day one. And for the record, that church IS NOT the Church of Christ. I belong to the Church of Christ and we do not specify a nation or race in our worship, as does Obama’s church.
Posted by: Jim | February 7, 2008, 11:54 am 11:54 am
If THAT many Obama supporters are crazy, than that means about 28% of America is absolute insane
110 million registered voters
63 million are democrat (about 57%)
Half voted for Obama on Super Tuesday
So that means 28% of America is creepy and insane when it comes to Obama…
…yeah right
Posted by: Ryan | February 7, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
I guess since Hillary is down on money, these media hit men have to give her some free slime on her opponent. Keep sliming away, It’s the clinton way.
Posted by: Morpheum | February 7, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
lol, undeducated support. Obama’s support is strongest among the educated according to every single poll that has addressed the issue. Hillary is dependent on the uneducated by every poll to address the issue. Similar results when u compare democrats and republicans. it has been probably 30-40 years since the republicans had any claim to the ‘more educated’ base. All the trend lines suggests that will continue. Making up statistics isn’t your strong suit. drop it.
Posted by: Criminal_D | February 7, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
Yet nothing is being said about Hillary supporters, who call all males that back Obama sexist (even misagynist). Makes you wonder. Could it simply be that people are really excited about politics for once?
Posted by: Roger | February 7, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am
In Liberalist thinking Obama is now Jesus, where once Bill Clinton was once Jesus and was going to save us from ourselves.
You see in Christianity Jesus is still Jesus. Except for about a minute in the 70′s when Steve from Dayton was, but I digress.
Posted by: Tom | February 7, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am
Obam is a disgusting human being and once again, America will be sorry if they vote him into office. He’s a weakling and a liar. But I guess if he wins he can bring in Oprah and Al Sharpton to run the country.
Posted by: AJ | February 7, 2008, 11:57 am 11:57 am
Are we being introduced to the Anit-Christ? Sounds crazy, yes. But the Bible is clear, he will be revered, loved, etc.
The media and the Hollywood types are leading the way.
Posted by: blah blah | February 7, 2008, 11:57 am 11:57 am
Rallying to a passionate intense optimist like OBAMA is frankly easier than rallying to the CORRUPT, SELF SERVING CANDIDACY OF POLITICAL SELF ENTITLEMENT & LEGACY BUILDING of Hillary Rodham Clinton. The simple reality is that political ambition aside, as it takes a great amount of it to run for Presidency, the DEMONIC OBSESSION with POWER that the CLINTONS have is FRIGHTENING. Thank god that their is a choice for something and someone else.
Posted by: Christopher London | February 7, 2008, 11:57 am 11:57 am
Obama takes no federal lobbyist money, and is financing his campaign from individual donors, most giving $10, $25, or $50 each. Hillary does take lobbyist money, always has, and has voted against middle-class families on several occasions because lobbyist money influenced her vote more than her own inner voice of conscience. Her bankruptcy vote and and various votes in favor of the war scare me and anger me, and should make us all stop and think before voting her into office. Judgement matters.
Posted by: Kim | February 7, 2008, 11:57 am 11:57 am
I think the problem stems from when rational people see irrational people become euphoric over someone who hasn’t done anything for our country. We don’t understand you people. It’s not like he’s made some amazing changes in the US Senate…yet people prop him up like he’s some God of all things liberal and just. He could have proposed Universal Healthcare while in the Senate…but he didn’t.
He didn’t vote for the War in Iraq because he wasn’t in office then. Where was he? Playing with marbles at the Illinois state capital, yet he knocks Hillary every chance he gets. Face it. He’s never lead anything accept his self serving campaign and he’s never had to make a hard decision in his political life.
Being enthusiastic about your candidate is one thing…but being nuts about them gets you painted as a bunch of cult-ish liberal wacko’s. “Yes we Can” is a chant, not a statement.
Posted by: Pacer | February 7, 2008, 11:58 am 11:58 am
Cult members are the last to realize they are in a cult. Wake up fools.
Posted by: geevill | February 7, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am
What’s creepy is the way pundits and main stream media are doing anything they can to manipulate the masses against Obama–and ABC is one of the worst. A cult???? Give me a break. After 8 years of grinding depression over the state of our government, we finally have a candidate that is not the same old face of status quo politics. People are EXCITED and HOPEFUL for the first time in a decade. Look at the numbers of people coming out to vote. And you call that a CULT? Your cynicism is disgusting.
Posted by: scribb | February 7, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am
Dear rufus1133,
Let me get this straight, everyone who is not for Obama is a fascist, including the Russians!!! I do not believe you are really for Obama, because your post are sure not helping his cause.
Posted by: Jimmy | February 7, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
letter to MSNBC (KEITH)ALSO ABC, CNN, FOXNEWS AND ALL OTHER NEWS CHANNELS
KEITH,
I’m writing you because although I was a hardball fan until I have seen how Chris changes his views and seems to defend Hillary. I think this whole thing with Hillary having to give her campaign 5 million of her own money is just her way again to get attention. Its shameful, and its also shameful that the media especially MSNBC always seems to fall for everything she does to get attention. Do you guys really need the ratings, or are you falling for distractions like President Bush use to do when they didn’t want the country to focus on the Iraq war.
Everytime Obama wins something fair and square Hillary finds a way to get attention and you guys fall for it, every single time. She has use the fact that she is woman to make other woman feel sorry for her.
You see If Hillary played fair and square I would support her no matter who won between her and Obama. But all she has done is try to bring a negative view to Obama and when that didn’t work now she’s trying to draw attention about the money issue. Its shameless and you guys follow this as if you don’t know that all she is doing is trying to bring news to her. She’s shameless and you guys if you continue to follow this ridiculous story just to bring attention to her are shameless too.
And this goes to all news channels. Let the race between Hillary and Obama be a fair race. Stop following her ridiculous efforts to get media attention.
I will add again Obama shows he is above the fray. He didn’t start this talk about the money and who has money and who doesn’t. Hillary…And I would hope the media calls her out on it.. Stop using the WOMAN CARD. I’M A WOMAN AND I’M TIRED OF IT. IF WE WANT TO BE CONSIDERED AS EQUAL THAN WE HAVE TO FIRST TAKE THINGS AS EQUAL.When Hillary doesn’t win or feels she is falling behind she creates distractions. Now its the money thing. I tried so hard to like her again especially after the last CNN DEBATE where they both seems so civil. It made me think well if Hillary wins I CAN give her my vote…Now the money..when does it end..when she wins..If she doesn;t have her way than what? She needs to know that she may can’t win EVERYTHING? Obama works hard just to get this..just to get KICKED down by the media.
Posted by: betty | February 7, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm
It amazes me that for years my generation has been refered to as “Generation X” because we have been the slackers, the apathetic, the noncommitted. We’ve been accussed of being materialistic and media driven. But finally, someone moves us. Someone makes us think that this nation can change and come into its potential. And what happens? The rest of the nation calls us too stupid to know better.
In case you failed to notice, the “Young” have thought you “Oldies” were stupid for the past 8 years. You’re the ones who got us in this mess. We’re the ones attempting to break us out of it.
Posted by: One of the "Young" | February 7, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm
Obama – Clinton – McCain
It doesn’t matter.
They are all the same.
The destruction of America is the change that will happen.
Whoever gets in will see to that if it doesn’t happen before the election.
But that’s what’s suppose to happen.
The book has already been written… we can’t change the ending.
The end is near… Come Lord Jesus!
Posted by: KFOR777 | February 7, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
Yes – cultish behavior and messages can be worrisome. But for journalists to suggest that Obama hasn’t spoken about specific issues is to illustrate their own laziness. Just go to Obama’s website. You may not like what you read. But it is there.
Posted by: John H | February 7, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
I know that we are supposed to keep on the high road, but, it is sometimes necessary to walk and deal with those who consistently use the low road to accomplish their goals. I speak of Huck Ster and Muck Cain.
HAVE ANY OF YOU HAPPENED TO READ THE FOLLOWING NEWS ARTICLES?
“The McCain campaign wasn’t content to let Romney have Bay County to himself Monday. William Ball, the former Secretary of the U-S Navy under the Reagan administration was in-town talking to the media and some of the
Ball says he supports McCain’s promise to bring the U-S Navy’s fleet up to 300-ships, and add hundreds of thousands of personnel to the ranks.
DNC: Lobbyist-Express, Not Straight-Talk Express, Drives McCain Campaign
|Published: February 02, 2008 8:31 AM
WASHINGTON, Feb. 1 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ — The following is being issued by the Democratic National Committee:
Trying to cement his place as the Bush establishment candidate, John McCain turned his back on his principles with a do-anything-to-win strategy that includes ignoring his past rhetoric on pork projects and the influence of lobbyists to benefit his presidential campaign. An independent review conducted by the advocacy group Public Citizen and released earlier this week “found that McCain has more bundlers — people who gather checks from their networks of friends and associates — than any other presidential candidate from either party.” The review noted that “McCain has at least 58 federal lobbyists raising money for his campaign.” [washingtonpost.com, 01/29/08]
Lobbyists Driving Double-Talk Express
McCain’s Campaign Has More Lobbyist Bundlers Than Any Other. A review released this week by the advocacy group Public Citizen found that John McCain “has at least 58 federal lobbyists raising money for his campaign.” Another 35 lobbyists were reported to be bundling for Rudolph Giuliani, who has now endorsed McCain. [washingtonpost.com, 01/29/08]
Posted by: Joshua | February 7, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
What about the cult of women that are constantly trying to guilt me into supporting Hillary just because I’m a woman?
Posted by: Cat | February 7, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
Straight from Senator Obama’s website “fact check” this made me laugh outloud about the “change” candidate…
RHETORIC: “Yet, like most democrats, Obama voted to keep funding the war until last year.” [Today Show, 1/17/08]
REALITY: EVERY SINGLE DEMOCRAT HAS VOTED TO FUND THE WAR IN IRAQ
wow – what a leader!!!
They also have the campaign foreign policy advisor, Samantha Power speaking on his behalf. Not exactly a fact -just an opinion by someone who has never held a foreign policy advisor position. She wrote a fantastic book – albeit super critial of Clinton while positive about Dole and Bush I.
Posted by: elisabeth | February 7, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm
Straight from Senator Obama’s website “fact check” this made me laugh outloud about the “change” candidate…
RHETORIC: “Yet, like most democrats, Obama voted to keep funding the war until last year.” [Today Show, 1/17/08]
REALITY: EVERY SINGLE DEMOCRAT HAS VOTED TO FUND THE WAR IN IRAQ
wow – what a leader!!!
They also have the campaign foreign policy advisor, Samantha Power speaking on his behalf. Not exactly a fact -just an opinion by someone who has never held a foreign policy advisor position. She wrote a fantastic book – albeit super critial of Clinton while positive about Dole and Bush I.
Posted by: elisabeth | February 7, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm
Thank you for your your excellent article. Unfortunately, there are only a few reporters who dare to speak the way you just did, Howard Kurtz, Dan Abrams and a few others. In this country, we cannot afford to have “an affirmative action president”. A black president yes! but elected based on his capabilities and not the color of his skin. Just as Hillary is being judged. In this country today it is not OK to criticize a black man running for president, but it is OK to trash women (in this case Hillary) unfairly. I guess there are more misogynistic people than there are racist ones. I am a republican white man who is voting for Hillary. Because she is head and shoulders above the rest. Sorry guys, get over it. Welcome to the 21st Century.
Posted by: Color Blind | February 7, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm
The GOP can’t wait for Obama to be the democratic choice so they can tear him apart for who he is. A very liberal, non-specific/issue oriented senator who has very close ties to a radical muslim
upbringing. Don’t kid yourself, Hillary has the white house in her pocket (the GOP hasthrown everything at her) Obama doesn’t have a chance because the GOP is just waiting in the weeds. Hasn’t anyone noticed how quiet they are about him.
Posted by: JrR | February 7, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm
Obama is a young senator running for president in an American democratic society that has a short attention span, limited understanding of history and its importance, an extremely liberal-biased media and until this year’s primaries, the lack of civic thirst or drive…he’s doing everything he can to be HEARD, be UNDERSTOOD and be ACCEPTED as a leader that has integrity and good ideas.
Could you expect anything less from Obama at this point in time? Now calling his followers a cult is flat out RIDICULOUS — don’t you realize you just told millions of Americans that they belonged to a cult? Shame on you.
Posted by: SAK | February 7, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm
Give Hillary credit Christs Sake. She’s gotten this far and her ego isn’t the size of the earth like Obama’s. She loaned money because her running mate is taking it from others. She’s just trying to catch up and have a fair campaign. Give it a rest.
Posted by: ----- | February 7, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
Jake,
I usually agree with you, but here I must call out how very wrong you are.
1. “we are the ones we’ve been waiting for” is a call to address the cynicism in politics. you have an entire generation of folks disenfranchised by a buy-and-sell system. we are the ones we’ve been waiting for is a response to that cynicism to say we can have transparency and honesty in our government. we can bring these things forward. we are the ones we’ve been waiting for. it is perfectly in line with his general theme of asking something from the american people.
2. most of the opponents of obama’s message generally quip as mr. wolcott wrote, “his charisma is on a more ethereal plane, and I don’t look to politics for transcendence and self-certification.” well that is exactly the problem, a lot of folks are tired of the political game and do want to transcend that and offer solutions
3. the declaration of obama as a smitten generalist whose supporters don’t care for policy could not be further off. many obama supporters can go toe-to-toe in policy discussions with any other campaign. however, what we have seen in this campaign is that folks want straight-talk more than perfect policy. straight-talk is what we have not been getting from the bush administration which is why republicans are nominating McCain and why the one “issue” they say they desire is honesty.
there is more, but i would like to see if this comment will be at all entertained
Posted by: Brando | February 7, 2008, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
Obama and Billary have virtually the same policy agendas. So do not ask Where’s the Beef about Obama. He is not getting a cult following.He is authentic and we know it! She is a world class ambitious PHONY>
Posted by: Messine | February 7, 2008, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
sure, some of the campaign is over the top, as are all campaigns…..
but let’s remember that Hillary’s main criticism (as opposed to slur) against Obama is precisely about his willingness to compromise embodied in his health insurance plan. Obama’s plan is more likely to be enacted if he is elected than Hillary’s plan would be if she were elected because: 1) Obama defuses some opposition by eschewing a general mandate and garnishing wages, 2) he doesn’t begin by casting the Republicans and everyone with a slightly different plan as THE ENEMY, and 3) he recognizes that the main stumbling block that wrecked Hillary’s failure with national insurance in 1993 was not the technical details of this plan or that plan but the failure to assemble a broad coalition behind the idea of greatly expanded national insurance.
That is not messianic politics. That is horse-trading and deft (but not crass) maneuvering to get support behind a major reform measure.
Hillary on the other hand repeatedly presents a vision of a manichean world of good guys/gals (Clintons) versus Republicans.
Look back at Obama’s relations with Republicans – Hagel and Lugar on the war, for example, or McCain on immigration and campaign finance reform. Obama splits the Republicans apart. Clinton and Clinton untie them together. Remember how we got Newt Gingrich…….
I’m an atheist and would prefer a secular society. But lets get real.
Joe
Posted by: joe shmoe | February 7, 2008, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
There’s something intrinsic to human psychology that causes a person to go from Supporter to Believer to True Believer to Fanatic, no matter what the cause or who the person is. It’s just ironic that this “fanaticism” is now being reported. What’s the matter, Messrs. Klein. Wolcott, Matthews, and Tapper–slow news day with no pictures of the water-skiing squirrel to fill space?
Posted by: chuck | February 7, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
This article posits the most ridiculous premise for a politcal analysis so far in 2008. The author implicity suggests that Obama supporters are only swooners, not intelligent, rational thinkers.
Of course there will always be people who compare candidates to biblical characters – remember the evangelical support for Bush? For example comments like “he’s been anointed by God” were plentiful in the past 8 years. What is great about America is that everyone can have a say.
It appears that the establishment. the media, and racists in particular, are really afraid of the growing and fervent support for Senator Obama; jeesh, we might get rid of the old Democratic and Republican establishment. Who knew? Maybe after 30 + years of this group its time?
If we elect Sen. Obama we will set this country on a sensible, humanistic and global course and right the wrongs of the years since George Bush took over the White House. Oh, and we might right some of the wrongs of the Billary administration, particularly term 2. Who knew?
How can any rational human trust a candidate (and I would love to be able to support a female candidate) who DEFENDS a man who committed perjury , is a serial adulterer, and had the gaul to state to the American public that oral sex is not sex?
Who can trust a candidate who will not release her white house papers, etc. so we can analyze just what “experience” she had as a First Lady? It is way beyond time for a change in the Democratic regime.
It will take someone like Sen. Obama to be a real “change” agent in this country.
We, the People, are fed up with the status quo, and the failure of the Democrats to make ANY change since taking over Congress in 2006.
Si, si puende!!!!!!! And we will.
I am a registered democrat, white, female and over 50. My college studies were directed to political “science”. Having closely observed politics for thirty years, like many of the media “experts, I am ENTHUSED that Sen. Obama has happened into our lives!
Posted by: Baltimoron | February 7, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
Just by reading the posts here, you know what a cult is. It gives me goose bumps.
Posted by: Josh | February 7, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
Wow- what a spin! Hillary is running for president while Obama is running a movement! How can you all not see that? And Obama’s line about ‘We are the one’s we’ve been waiting for’ is poem (and Maria Schiver) used it first.
Why must you ruin a wonderful thing? Are we all so scorned and burned that we cannot simply believe in something good and hopeful?
Go OBAMA!
Posted by: Alynn | February 7, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
I’m not weirded out by the supporters; I’m weirded out by Obama himself.
Obama was just voted the most liberal Senator according to his voting record.
Obama attends a far left “liberation” theology-type church.
Obama (no matter how brief) has been influened by muslim teaching while living overseas; one of his parents is Muslim.
It’s not about skin color, following, campaign, etc. It’s about ideology. This man’s worldview will guide his drive, his vision, and therefore his leadership and policy formation.
Obama is a dangerous man; more dangerous than Bush. May God give us wisdom in our quest for a president.
Posted by: jim | February 7, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
Dear rufus1133,
This just gets better and better. So now the GOP is a cult. Rufus, your problem right noe is not the GOP, it is Senator Clinton. The fact is, you help the GOP and Senator Clinton with every post you make. By all means keep up the good work. I bet you are really a GOP nut case yourself.
Posted by: Jimmy | February 7, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
Although I don’t agree with the full content of this article it is nice to actually see an article that is not a love fest for Obama. I have been on the Obama site many times I actually like to go back and forth between the Hillary site and his and look at fact checks. I am not one that says he has no view on issues. I’m more concerned with what has he DONE? I did research in the Chicago papers from 1995-2008 and besides a very disturbing campaign to get to the Senate. I really couldn’t find much about him except where he had been for his book signings. I also was intrigued with the fact that as a Freshman in the Senate he was on the VA committee, and it took Hillary to get approved the rights for the VA’s to get their signing bonuses when they could no longer serve because of disabilities. Currently Illinois has the worst benefit package for the VA. Please enlighten me Obama supporters on nonemotional platitudes but concrete deeds. My husband is a staunch Republican and the two of us have something in common if Hillary is our candidate in the GE we will be voting for her. If Obama is the candidate we will be either voting present or against.
Posted by: Deni | February 7, 2008, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm
I agree totally with the article. This election is not about Kennedy or Reagan, it is about the future. I am a 50 yr old conservative, and I voted for Hillary, never in a million years would I have thought 10 years ago I would be voting for a Clinton, but she’s the BEST candidate in 2008. I like Obama, he inspires, but I don’t see him as president in 2008, maybe in 4 or 8 years.
It is a cult like movement, aided by the media, starting with Chris Mathews & Keith Obermann which can’t be objective about anything Obama. They can’t imagine a WOMAN in the White House.
Posted by: cindy | February 7, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
When I listen to Obama speak, I feel like I’m at a church service. He sounds like a reverend with all his non-specific references to the “Promised Land” and destiny. Very much the college lecturer he was for years. Always lecturing and finner-pointing for emphasis. He sounds more like a preacher than Huckabee. Messiah complex? Who writes TWO autobiographies in their 40′s???
Posted by: Steve | February 7, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm
It’s not cultish. It’s that every politician in this country is exactly alike and so predictable and they all play to the lowest common demoninator.
A fresh face with a fresh message in that caldron of red ties and navy suits called Washington is going to stand out and be attractive to a large number of voters who are sick and tired of this type of politics.
It’s not a cult. It just shows how fed up people are with the usual ways that Washington operates. It’s been bubbling for a while, first with Ross Perot, then Howard Dean and now with Ron Paul and Obama.
Posted by: St. John | February 7, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm
Hillary Clinton is finding that $150 Million Dollars is simply not enough to buy a horribly corrupt, inauthentic, insincere, shape shifting, political fraud the Democratic Nomination. OBAMA has more donors among American citizens. Hillary gets most of her money from PACS, Bundlers and now her “Personal Wealth” Clinton Global Initiative—->Dirty Deals—–>Clinton Wealth—>HRC Campaign Coffers. Hey mainstream media, there is your story.
Posted by: Christopher London | February 7, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm
It only took 3 seconds for Colorblind to corraborate my post!
I wrote” “Klein is going to write whatever favors the zionist supporter Hillary Clinton and unfavorably represents Barack Obama. So will most writers with last names Gold, Green, Cooper, Marx, Stern, xxxstein, xxxfeld,xxxberg, xxxwitz, xxxoff, etc.”
3 seconds later…..
Colorblind wrote: “Thank you for your your excellent article. Unfortunately, there are only a few reporters who dare to speak the way you just did, Howard Kurtz, Dan Abrams and a few others. In this country, we cannot afford to have “an affirmative action president”. A black president yes! but elected based on his capabilities and not the color of his skin. Just as Hillary is being judged. In this country today it is not OK to criticize a black man running for president, but it is OK to trash women (in this case Hillary) unfairly. I guess there are more misogynistic people than there are racist ones. I am a republican white man who is voting for Hillary. Because she is head and shoulders above the rest. Sorry guys, get over it. Welcome to the 21st Century.
Kurtz and Abrams belong to the same group.
Posted by: Nasir | February 7, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
JOIN US OH HILLARY SUPPORTERS AND BE FOREVER FREE AND HAVE ETERNAL LIFE AND SALVATION
.. ALL HAIL THE GREAT OBAMA.. LOL
You guys are sore losers..SAY OR DO ANYTHING .. To bad you will be on the wrong side of history in 2009.
Posted by: Lawrence | February 7, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
This article hits the nail right on the head. I have been musing over the Obama phenomenon for a while now, and this article has just connected the dots for me.
Indeed, a key determinant of “cultish” behavior is when it is predicated upon what really are empty words designed to manipulate minds to perceive thoughts, desires, and other emotions consistent with the speakers ultimate agenda.
Case in point: the thrust of the Obama campaign is “change”. Of course, when things are not ideal for any person, that person will want some change to occur. A rational mind will questions, what specifically will be changed, how will it be changed, what have you really done (your track record) that you can gain my confidence that you can succeed in making this change. Absence of questions and answers to this campaign mantra is exactly what cults rely on. The more fanatical their followers, the easier it is for them to manipulate.
How disengenous is it for someone to compare the Obama fervor to what was going on with our constitutional forefathers. They had substance, specificity and originality. To the question what will you change, they did not respond: “same as what everyone that is popular is saying they will change”; how will you achieve this change: “by being a uniter not a divider” – directly borrowed from a successful campaign of GWB. Why do you think you are the person to effect these changes: “I am the mesiah”.
Posted by: msy428 | February 7, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
OMG I am so sick of hearing RASCISM every time one person says he doesn’t like Obama. Ok I will say this to his WHITE side.. OBAMA I don’t like you.. I think you are so far to the left it scares the hell out of me. And can anybody tell me his qualifications??? What are they.. And top it off I saw a picture of Jesse holding an Obama sign.. Could it one day be Jesse for VP.. OMG…..
Posted by: Nancy | February 7, 2008, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm
Yes, I concur with with the author. There is a cult-like obsession here. No different than the adoration and worshipping of Jim Jones or David Koresh. It is really spooky!
Posted by: nathan | February 7, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
Yes, I concur with with the author. There is a cult-like obsession here. No different than the adoration and worshipping of Jim Jones or David Koresh. It is really spooky!
Posted by: nathan | February 7, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
once again america turns its brain off to follow a savior. this is no change. this is the same thing. change would be be for the people to think like people and stop being sheep. this is a very important electino us of a.. don’t screw up just because oprah likes this guy..
Posted by: c | February 7, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
THIS IS BY FAR THE MOST ABSURD ARTICLE I HAVE READ UP TO DATE!!
WOULD YOU CALL GHANDI A CULT? WOULD YOU CALL JOHN F. KENNEDY A CULT? WOULD YOU CALL MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR. OR PABLO PICASSO OR MOTHER THERESA A CULT???!!!
Obama draws people in by standing for change, by including American people in American government. He believes in transparency, he believes in dialogue, he has the ability not only to unite Americans with one another, but to unite Americans with the International Community.
As a 23 year old law school student, I have spent years trying to organize my peers, trying to get them to care about social issues. And finally, Obama comes along and people have gotten active. I’ve never heard so many people my age argue about things like healthcare, or social secutriy or immigration. I am sincerely amazed by Obama’s ability to motivate America’s youth into looking not only within themselves, but beyond themselves.
Change starts from the inside, and then it spreads to your fingertips, to your toes, to your heart, to these fingers that have typed up his message.
If it weren’t for Barack Obama, my generation would continue to watch tv and eat their junk food, waste their brains away and end up in rehab!!
BARACK AND ROLL! OBAMA FOR YOUR MAMA!
Posted by: Jeni Hendrix | February 7, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
The Dream Ticket…
… might be Obama/Gore or (Gore/Obama). Why? Because they’re both so inspiring, so motivating, so… Messianic:Inspiration is nice. But some folks seem to be getting out of hand. It’s as if Tom Daschle descended from on high saying, Be not
Posted by: Brutally Honest | February 7, 2008, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm
I’m glad to see this issue being raised. I have been troubled by people who support BHO but cannot identify a single policy he plans to implement. Overall I’ve found BHO’s speeches and turns in debates marked mainly by their vapidity and hollowness.
Posted by: jim aaron | February 7, 2008, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm
I’m taking my Mama to Obama, he is the true MESS-iah.(\__/)
(=”=)
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Posted by: Judas | February 7, 2008, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm
Understand this and understand it now…Obama is 100% the Anti-Christ. If you read Revelations is fits the profile of the Anti-Christ 100%. You wonder how this guy who came from nowwhere is adored by millions. Wake up amaerice, he was rasied in a radical Muslim school, prays to mecca and has you all fooled. Please, do not take my word, do your own research. the Myan calender ended in 2012, so will his reign as president. You are falling into the trap, this is it, the end is near and Obama is the Anti-Christ…do you own research, you will se..
Posted by: Jason | February 7, 2008, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm
obama’s time will come, we do not a novice, give hillary a chance.he needs no ojt. after dubya, what could be worse?
Posted by: phelonious | February 7, 2008, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm
I checked the Obama website and while he says much about “change” he doesn’t really say how he’s going to convince Congress to do so, after all he’s running for President not King.
I would like the media to ask EVERY candidate one thing…name your perfect Cabinet. The answer to that would tell us more about the candidates than any campaign speech ever will.
Ken in Miami
Never trust anyone would spend millions for a job that pays thousands.
Posted by: Ken in Miami | February 7, 2008, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm
WAKE UP AMERICA. F.O.B. (Friends of Bill) CLINTONISTA’S are littered throughout the Mainstream Media. From Dan Abrams, George Stephanopoulous, James Carville, Paul Begala, Dee Dee Myers et. al. etc. HRC is the NEO-CON in the Democratic Primary. The Oligarchy and establishment are behind Hillary Clinton, which is why you see John McCain vowing for a 100 year War because the Neo-Con’s staked their agenda on the Democrats assuming that a Republican would lose. OBAMA is up against a CLINTON DLC MACHINE that has been in operation for the better part of two decades. Of course they will have their friends tear down the choice of the people, supress voter turnout and do whatever it takes including stealing Michigan & Florida if necessary.
Posted by: Christopher London | February 7, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
Well said Kim,
When you look at their history, the only choice for President is Clinton. Clinton has the experience, Obama does not.
Posted by: Jimmy | February 7, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
B Hussein Obama is starting to believe his own hype. Yesterday he told supporters: ‘What started out as a whisper has grown to a mighty chorus that is sweeping the land.’
While some find this style of rhetoric to be soaring and inspiring, I find it vapid and pompous.
Posted by: The Drake | February 7, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
This is the most obsurd thing I’ve ever read. Don’t all political campaigns evangelize their candidates? Since when is inspiring speech “cultish”. Were followers of JFK in a cult? Followers of MLK? Obama is running for the most powerful position in the world, he SHOULD be inspiring! But your right, I’ll vote for someone less inspiring, with less support, and who says things that I don’t believe in… I wouldn’t want people to think I’m in a cult.
Posted by: george | February 7, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
Obama needs to inspire to win a national campaign. If he talks about the issues in a dry calculated way (ala Gore and Kerry) he could never garner the support and sustained excitement needed. This is a political move. This does not necessarily mean he is unfamiliar with the issues, he is. Unlike Hillary, he cannot afford to be a policy wonk (she has name recognition, and thus is not terribly hurt by being stiff and calculating; although she has improved). Moreover, every candidate who tries to win a national election must appeal to a large group, and therefore must have a general message!! This is not particular to Obama. The fact that some folks get out of hand and become crazed supporters is no indicator that the movement is not genuine or substantive. After all, we can all think of examples of crazy followers of a moderate and good movement who are not reflective of its core values. If you are interested about where Obama stands on an issue, find out! Then, please agree or disagree with it. But please stop this nonsense. What is wrong with inspiring a whole generation of public servants? What is wrong with energizing a bunch of complacent Americans about the good this nation could do?
Posted by: ThinkingARV | February 7, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
Wow. Folks getting all excited about politics?! Sorry that is making some of you uncomfortable, but I’m tired of being in a coma of cynicism. I’m sick of all the scandles and dirty politics. Obama is brilliant and honest. We’d be crazy NOT to be this excited.
Posted by: Sue | February 7, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
Folks, it’s called “white guilt”. The noted author Shelby Steele wrote about it. It’s the reason why white liberals can support Obama for President, yet move out of the neighborhoods or send their kids to private schools the minute too many blacks, Hispanics or Asians begin showing up.
Posted by: James Chen | February 7, 2008, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm
Obama may have some donors giving more than $10 or $25, but he accepts no federal lobbyist or PAC money. That speaks volumes. The amounts of the donations aren’t the point I was making, so please forgive me. The point I wanted to make was that he is against lobbyists running our government and dictating policy — and he walks the talk by not accepting money from these federal lobbyist groups — which Hillary does. Important distinction that voters need to consider, along with many of her votes (revealing her judgement and willingness to vote according to who gives her the most campaign money).
Posted by: Kim | February 7, 2008, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm
Maybe we Obama supporters are just sick of triangulating politicians who enable us into a war that kills hundreds of thousands of civilians and destroys our economy.
“IT’S (IRAQ THAT DESTROYED) THE ECONOMY, STUPID!”
Posted by: Harpo Marxist | February 7, 2008, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm
We know who ABC’s Dog in the race is? Look at its headlines about these candidates. And do you really believe Obama is the most liberal and Clinton is more conservative. Every single Clinton supporter seems to have memory lost of her checked past, a past filled with scandal after scandal from her pork belly deals to her decision to stay with her husband, not only that but Hillary supports mostly like her because of some PAST dealing attributed to her husband, which has nothing to do with her. [Really I hope you let the surgeons wife operate on you] after all that is the same comparison Clinton supporters are making. Look let be serious here. Most people are voting for Clinton because they cannot bring themselves to vote for a BLACK man and people say racism is dead. I believe and especially from these primaries that America has issues, that has not been diagnosed and because it has not been diagnosed the problem will consist. Obama is clearly the best candidate..and please people drop the experience arguement, there is NO CORRELatioN between success and experience with Presidents….besides what jobs prepares you to be president of United States… the most powerful nation in the world really tell me.. please…..all we need is a patriotic american that will honor the constitution not sell our soverignity to treatys and unbalanced trade like we have in the past. YOU CLOWNS….”.experience” is not necessary…35yrs of age and natural born patriot…is what our constition calls for please do not participate in a modern day JIM CROW law..where only the ROYAL FAMILY NEED APPLY get the pattern bush clintion bush clinton? KKJ
Posted by: JOE American | February 7, 2008, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm
Go ahead and keep scaring people with comments and notes liks this. No wonder why this country is going down hill.
Posted by: Kelly | February 7, 2008, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm
It is true that some of Obama’s speeches come of like those of an inspirational speaker, but to call trying to inspire people to beleive in their country again a cultish kind of tactic, is not only cynical but also disruptive to the political process. I’m sure you could easily call any number of these campiaghns cultish in their rhetoric in fact you could essentially call any religion (particularly Mormonism) Cultish but that doesn’t add to the politcal discussion at hand. Get A grip… Democracy is a “Cult”.
Posted by: Rational Obama Suporter | February 7, 2008, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm
OK Jimmy,
Exactlly what experience does Clinton have? A couple of years in the Senate, how is that different than Obama’s experience? Clinton is a train wreck waiting to happen! McCain will beat her with no problem, polls show he can not beat Obama.
Posted by: Mike | February 7, 2008, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm
I knew, sooner or later, someone would start dumping in this direction. They couldn’t make the ‘he’s a muslim’ slur stick…they couldn’t make ‘he went to school in a madrassa’ stick…they couldn’t make ‘he put his hand on the Quran instead of the Bible while being sworn into the Senate’ stick…they haven’t been able to make ‘he’s against a woman’s right to choose’ stick…so now we have ‘obsessions’, ‘creepy cults’, and whatever you find NEXT to describe and justify why folks should NOT vote for this man.
People are not only weeping because they don’t want to see Bush in office, they’re also weeping because they don’t want to see another Clinton in office.
People constantly use the hillary-republican talking points when they start discussing Obama. The desperation is so thick you can probably smell it across the country. This has passed the ridiculous stage into the pathetic.
This kind of crap is exactly what Obama was talking about…”change” from this crappy politics, of tearing others down just to make yourself(selves) look so much better. Telling lies just to smear your opponent when nothing else seems to work. How ridiculous we must look to the world. When is it going to stop? Oh, I get it…it will only stop when Hillary and Bill are back in office, right?! No wonder half the country is cynical. As a democrat who voted for Bill twice, I would rather vote for McCain than see those two back in office again.
Posted by: LA in Indiana | February 7, 2008, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm
Did someone compare Mr. Obama’s speeches to THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE?
This shouldn’t need to be said, but it looks like it does;
We all have HOPE and we all WANT CHANGE.
But a dose of reality helps too.
Posted by: kaypeas | February 7, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
This guy is as empty as a bag of wind. Get a clue before it is too late.
Posted by: D. Marshall | February 7, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
The really scarey thing is that one of these people running may be elected!
Seems that we’ll end up electing the celebrity of the day. Not a good scene for most citizens.
Posted by: Buddy | February 7, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
We Obama-nots call voters, and a voter asks a policy question the volunteer directs the voter to Obama’s website and instead tells the voter how he “feels” about Obama and how Obama makes hime feel.
The above is 100% true.
BOYCOTT OBAMA
Posted by: John Romano | February 7, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
I think there are two enormous forces at work here. Speaking as a young American, this is the first time in my political memory that there was a inspiring candidate for president – both in what his presidency would symbolize to the world and the way that he isn’t running a usual political campaign. Secondly, we must remember that the only real idealogical difference between Obama and Clinton is in their definition of the executive branch: One views the role as a sort of creative director (Obama) and one as a chief operating officer (Clinton). The implementation of big ideas is undoubtedly important but does not even touch the importance of HAVING broad ideas to begin with. Obama’s campaign has inspired – like it or not – and that indicates his leadership but also what Americans are looking for. Yes, there is a certain zeal that the Obama campaign has begun to connote but I do think that ANY (even overwrought) enthusiasm for our country’s political future is better than the alternative disenchantment that I felt among those in my generation. The country should embrace – perhaps not the candidate – but at least the possibility of a new generation of political engagement.
Posted by: kkerr | February 7, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
THIS IS BY FAR THE MOST ABSURD ARTICLE I HAVE READ UP TO DATE!!
WOULD YOU CALL GHANDI A CULT? WOULD YOU CALL JOHN F. KENNEDY A CULT? WOULD YOU CALL MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR. OR PABLO PICASSO OR MOTHER THERESA A CULT???!!!
Obama draws people in by standing for change, by including American people in American government. He believes in transparency, he believes in dialogue, he has the ability not only to unite Americans with one another, but to unite Americans with the International Community.
As a 23 year old law school student, I have spent years trying to organize my peers, trying to get them to care about social issues. And finally, Obama comes along and people have gotten active. I’ve never heard so many people my age argue about things like healthcare, or social secutriy or immigration. I am sincerely amazed by Obama’s ability to motivate America’s youth into looking not only within themselves, but beyond themselves.
Change starts from the inside, and then it spreads to your fingertips, to your toes, to your heart, to these fingers that have typed up his message.
If it weren’t for Barack Obama, my generation would continue to watch tv and eat their junk food, waste their brains away and end up in rehab!!
BARACK AND ROLL! OBAMA FOR YOUR MAMA!
Posted by: Jeni Hendrix | February 7, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
Obama needs to inspire to win a national campaign. If he talks about the issues in a dry calculated way (ala Gore and Kerry) he could never garner the support and sustained excitement needed. This is a political move. This does not necessarily mean he is unfamiliar with the issues, he is. Unlike Hillary, he cannot afford to be a policy wonk (she has name recognition, and thus is not terribly hurt by being stiff and calculating; although she has improved). Moreover, every candidate who tries to win a national election must appeal to a large group, and therefore must have a general message!! This is not particular to Obama. The fact that some folks get out of hand and become crazed supporters is no indicator that the movement is not genuine or substantive. After all, we can all think of examples of crazy followers of a moderate and good movement who are not reflective of its core values. If you are interested about where Obama stands on an issue, find out! Then, please agree or disagree with it. But please stop this nonsense. What is wrong with inspiring a whole generation of public servants? What is wrong with energizing a bunch of complacent Americans about the good this nation could do?
Posted by: ThinkingARV | February 7, 2008, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
Obama- The Anti Christ! Read revelations…you will see. He fits the Anti Christ description 100%. Watch out folks..it is about to get interesting.
Posted by: Jason | February 7, 2008, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
Obama’s favorite word is “change”, which is easy to promise and difficult to deliver. He and his zombie followers are going to learn that if he is elected. He is a political neophyte and has created a “cult of personality”, that’s all. He is an eloquent lightweight that guilt-ridden Whitey and racist Blacks flock to. Obama is a closet racist, judging from his books and choice of church, the UCC, which recently honored Louis Farrakhan. Anybody running for President that refuses to wear a flag lapel pin for Obama’s reasons is unfit to be on the City Council, much less President. There are so many reasons to dislike Obama and so few reasons to like him. I have asked people why they like Obama and the usual response is “Because he’s not George Bush!”. They cannot even define why they like him. Wake up, people, we can do better.
Posted by: skeptikus | February 7, 2008, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
Fear? Yes, I fear Ms. Clinton as president. I voted for Mr. Clinton twice. He disgraced himself and we suffered eight years of Bush/Cheney. I want change now. Change from the dynasty of Clintonism.
Posted by: Austintxusa | February 7, 2008, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
this is cool
Posted by: SsS | February 7, 2008, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
This blog is ridiculous. Congress and the President are more despised than used car salesmen if you believe the polls. For a long time, politics has not been something that you aspire to, but that you mock. Finally, a candidate has come along that is unwilling to roll in the mud and who conveys the sense that a better day is possible. The media needs to get over itself and its love and the pettiness that fuels the news cycle. Maybe it’s not the leaders who we should have a problem with, but the cynical lens through which they’re shown.
Posted by: tina | February 7, 2008, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
AmeriKwa’s service industry (its biggest “sector”–lol) is down. Now that Brazilized Kwa is finished murderering 1.2 million people in Iraq and Afgan, in the name of Eretz Zion, and feeling morally superior about it– thank you very much–it’s time for the Obama Krishton tent show. When the dollar collapses and Obama is prez, the tent show will get even BIGGER. Probably you’ll all be singing “Yes We Can” by the Black Eyed Peas, and “Swing Low Sweet Chariot”. What a mentally sick country and getting sicker by the week.
Posted by: Craig Cobb | February 7, 2008, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm
To William Slater:
Nice try. No, if you look at their legislative histories, you will find similar voting histories between Hillary and Barack. The difference lies in some of the votes that were cast — i.e. the important bankruptcy bill which would hurt millions of middle class families, and the Iraq war votes. Hillary made poor judgements that had very real, negative, and sometimes disasterous consequences in people’s lives. She throught more about furthering her political career (and that’s why we need to have public campaign financing) instead of voting in the interests of the American people, who she is supposed to represent. Those judgements do matter, and should be considered before choosing her over Barack – who has demonstrated superior judgement again and again.
Posted by: Kim | February 7, 2008, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
Question for Mr Obama: WHERE’S THE BEEF?
Posted by: A L | February 7, 2008, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
OMG I just saw where it is called “White Guilt” and we can’t have a black president..People HE”S HALF WHITE!!!! Raised my a WHITE MOMMY and WHITE Grandmother… WHITE I’ll say it again HE”S HALF WHITE….
Posted by: nancy | February 7, 2008, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
Sounds like you have more fun being cynical. People who are inspired are just out of your comfort zone. You should definitely avoid Ron Paul supporters then. You might be “weirded out.” Heavens to Betsy!
Obama plans on revamping and reinstating fireside chats, he plans on getting young people to serve their country beyond the confines of the military, he believes that all people can be covered by health care without trampling on their rights to opt out. If you think he’s nothing more than his rhetoric, frankly, you haven’t been LISTENING.
Posted by: Danielle | February 7, 2008, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
In the light of all these comments, why don’t we ammend the US COnstitution, and allow Mr. Bush to get re-elected once again? At least we know him, but we don’t know Obama, and yes, we also know Hillary ! Or perhaps Hillary should have her last name changed, maybe people will be less afraid of the Clinton last name, and see the potential she has without being so prejudiced.
Posted by: Oscar | February 7, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
LOL…..In a country where celebrity is golden is it any wonder why Obama has taken off? He is appealing to non-thinkers, sheep heading for slaughter. I have read extensively on his site and have no idea what kind of president he will be…complete generalities nothing more. We will rue the day…
Posted by: Dave Rice | February 7, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
Klein is going to write whatever favors the zionist supporter Hillary Clinton and unfavorably represents Barack Obama. So will most writers with last names Gold, Green, Cooper, Marx, Stern, xxxstein, xxxfeld,xxxberg, xxxwitz, xxxoff, etc.
Posted by: Nasir | Feb 7, 2008 12:04:11 PM
WOW! Talk about closed minded. Why is it if you have a different view you are a zionist, neocon or a religious zelot?
The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing but to those being saved it is the power of God.
Posted by: New York | February 7, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
Rufus,
“i am not a democrat jimmy. And choosing party over the good of the nation is treason.”
Rufus, if you are not a Dem, you should butt out. The process that is underway, is for Dem’s to select our candidate. To say that it is treason for Dems to select Clinton is just plain CRAZY. You told us you are not a Dem, but you did not tell us you are not a GOP guy, just trying to cause trouble.
Posted by: Jimmy | February 7, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
This article’s suggestion is rude and offensive. It seems that Barack should be able to sue for this type of slander. You are basically calling this man “the devil” because millions of people are excited about a refresing change in politics?! You are the worst! I would expect this garbage from Couric!
Posted by: Tiki9 | February 7, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
Nice job! I was just about to blog about this and then I saw your blog…Finally, someone is saying what no one has said. I voted for Hillary and had no problem with Obama until his supporters got so zealous and weird. They’re like vegans or something, it’s creepy…
Posted by: yves | February 7, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
Hard to have an intelligent discussion these days. The guys written a hole book on his political philosophy and where he sees the world and country. His web site is crammed with policy statements. There have been a number of articles written on his “A” list advisers who come both from former administrations, academia, and business.
I think both the article somewhat, amost of the comments posted here fits the clichéd but apt description:
“a chorus of cynics”.
Posted by: Mark | February 7, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
HEY PHELONIOUS – I WILL TELL YOU WHAT COULD BE WORSE THAN “W” – IT IS CALLED JIMMY CARTER
Posted by: WW5 | February 7, 2008, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm
LOL…Obama is the antichrist huh????
Some people I tell ya.
Posted by: Chad Butler | February 7, 2008, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm
This article is right on. It is about time someone started to observe the cult-like (non-substantive) nature of the Obama machine. The vitriolic and Obama-adoring reactions of some readers posted in these comments only re-inforces the accuracy of Jake Tapper’s observations.
Posted by: Bruce | February 7, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm
Cultish? What an insult.
What is wrong about several million folks across the country being excited, motivated and willing to work for a positive change. Maybe the East Coast politicos are too cynical to understand that people are sick to death of the slash and burn politics of the past sixteen years. The Rovian politics of fear and smear must come to an end.
We need to work together, all of us, to confront the huge problems facing this country today. We need a leader who can inspire us, lead us and allow us the opportunity to move forward.
As a purple Democrat of good standing from the upper Midwest, I like feeling good about myself, my nation and my party. And, it seems, so do the millions of folks who, like me, support Barack Obama.
Posted by: markolaf | February 7, 2008, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
So I’ll say this again:
I knew, sooner or later, someone would start dumping in this direction. They couldn’t make the ‘he’s a muslim’ slur stick…they couldn’t make ‘he went to school in a madrassa’ stick…they couldn’t make ‘he put his hand on the Quran instead of the Bible while being sworn into the Senate’ stick…they haven’t been able to make ‘he’s against a woman’s right to choose’ stick…so now we have ‘obsessions’, ‘creepy cults’, and whatever you find NEXT to describe and justify why folks should NOT vote for this man.
People are not only weeping because they don’t want to see Bush in office, they’re also weeping because they don’t want to see another Clinton in office.
People constantly use the hillary-republican talking points when they start discussing Obama. The desperation is so thick you can probably smell it across the country. This has passed the ridiculous stage into the pathetic.
This kind of crap is exactly what Obama was talking about…”change” from this crappy politics, of tearing others down just to make yourself(selves) look so much better. Telling lies just to smear your opponent when nothing else seems to work. How ridiculous we must look to the world. When is it going to stop? Oh, I get it…it will only stop when Hillary and Bill are back in office, right?! No wonder half the country is cynical. As a democrat who voted for Bill twice, I would rather vote for McCain than see those two back in office again.
Some of you people truly are nuts!
Posted by: LA in Indiana | February 7, 2008, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
As a moderate – conservative Democrat, I would like to see the Clinton and Obama supporters to step away from tearing down each others candidate with petty, pejorative attacks about the past or the intangible future.
Any fool can tear down, its obvious, vulgar and cheapens the process. The national discussion would be more valuable if supporters are positive and express what they think are the best policy options on the table to solve the problems of the day, e.g., Government Reform of Congress, Federal Spending, National Deficit, Afghanistan and Iraq Wars, National Security, Taxes, the Economy, etc.
Senator Clinton, Senator McCain and Senator Obama are all talented and exciting public servants running for the office of the President of the United States.
The key take away here is the word “united” in that we need both Democrats, Republicans and Independents to cross paths to form a more perfect union in purpose. The next President must be able to do this and bring us together in order solve the complexity that lies in Washington D.C. and as well as the complexity of global political-economic issues that confront us.
The country needs the best Democrats and Republicans to move us beyond the Bush era and forward to innovate, guided by an experienced hand into the new century.
Posted by: threeriverscrossing | February 7, 2008, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
What a bunch of crap. So if I happen to not want Hillary Clinton as my president and I do support Barack Obama I am a member of a cult? This is the kind of crap that makes a lot of us pretty sick and tired of some of the Clinton people. They are like rabid dogs. This approach is not winning Mrs. Clinton any friends. Give it up.
Posted by: Robert | February 7, 2008, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
So…we are damned if we don’t get involved or show enthusiasm for the political process and damned if we do. It angers me that the pundits from on high criticize the common people for their enthusiasm or, yeah, even for their zeal. Apparently it’s only appropriate to show such emotion at a sports event or in some churches. Give me a break.
The Obama rally I attended Sunday at UCLA was the most fun, energizing, uplifting experience I’ve had in a long time, and Barack Obama wasn’t even there! (And of the four main speakers, Oprah was only my 3rd favorite.)
Posted by: Mel | February 7, 2008, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm
Thank you ABC for the great article. The abundance of comments following the article tell me I am not alone in my distaste for Obama’s pious, empty platitudes encased in an empty suit. But, he and his campaign are clever. Promise “change” and a better life then sit back and let the recipient fill in the blank how he or she wishes. It’s like the never-ending hope of winning the lottery. The odds are heavily stacked against you but you buy the ticket anyway because maybe, just maybe… I guess my hope is that enough people will begin to realize that Obama is like the pretty gift wrapped boxes in display windows at Christmas — bright, festive and suggesting happiness while inside they’re empty.
Posted by: Mark | February 7, 2008, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm
Just another attempt to marginzlize Obama. He’s too black. No, he’s too young. No, he’s too popular. You can’t be that popular. If you’re that popular, it must be a cult.
Are we really a country that is satisifed with having two families control the white house for a generation? Come on, folks. There’s very little difference between these two in terms of policy.
Posted by: Steve | February 7, 2008, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm
I am dumb struck by a few things:
1. This reporter seems to be a closet Hillary supporter and is serioulsy (mis)using his power as a reporter to advance the cause of Hillary
2. The reporter is a frustrated, out-of-touch-with-reality popular culture (read: the Hollywood for Hillary crowd). My god!! When did popular culture writers (who follow the hollywood elite around and start believing in the same elitism) become experts at politics?
3. I am Marion Jone’s husband (the Olympic Sprinter). I stayed with her while she ran those miles. I am confident that I have more than 10 years of experience in sprinting. And by the way, I cannot achieve a Top Secret security clearance, but I have SEEN how many Secretaries of State have behaved. I know I can do the job because I believe I am ready. Oh, I may not have held any public position before marrying my wife and getting in the limelight, but how bad can it be? I know how she ran and what it takes to run. Yeah, I have so much experience in sprinting and having observed how my wife behaved in public, how the politicians talk on TV. I am 41 years old, so I can at-least claim 16 years of public service experience (I have known my wife for last 16 years)
Posted by: William Jones | February 7, 2008, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm
All of this trepidation over Obama’s popularity and ability to inspire is one part envy, one part disappointment over Billary’s stale performance and two parts shock that the realities are aligning against the Clinton machine. What is amazing is not that people respond with a certain over-the-top attraction to an honest candidate who speaks from his heart. What is amazing are the millions who still can find any good reason for supporting yesterday’s sleaze couple.
Posted by: Commonsense | February 7, 2008, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm
I love that if you are for Clinton, you are white or rich or part of the media.
(btw, Stephananopoulus wrote a anti-Clinton book.)
I don’t know what media Obama supporters are referring to but it is overwhelming supportive. Read Maureen Dowd’s column in The NY Times to get an idea of what I mean.
I almost left my job to work for Obama but I waited to see what he’d do in the Senate. First thing he does, votes for Condi Rice. That anti-war stance sure translated well once he had the power to change something!
Posted by: elisabeth | February 7, 2008, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm
You gotta love Hillary. After Teddy makes his feeble approach to Hillary on the Senate floor, Hillary turns to BO and says, “So happy Teddy has endorsed you.” This comes after Hillary’s hughe victory in Massachusetts and after both Teddy and Kerry (who is this guy anyway?) had endorsed BO. Kerry promptly leads BO away before he can show his arrogance once again on the floor of the Congress. Hello, Saturday Night Live!
Posted by: benvictor | February 7, 2008, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm
When will SOMEONE ask Obama 1. What has he done and 2. What is his plan. I know When Hillary points that out, its “oh poor mean Hillary picking on Obama.” The Republicans are going to EAT HIM ALIVE. We need someone with a plan.and someone who is tough. and that’s Hillary
Posted by: kara | February 7, 2008, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm
Clinton appeals to her fans, many existing Dems.. Obama CREATES fans, CREATES Dems.. I know I went from Indie to Dem for Obama, and know of many others who have also. That kind of broad appeal is not going away, and every indication is that, as time goes by, Clinton’s star falls, and Obama’s rises…. Another major point.. Obama motivates people to not only vote, but to DONATE! Folks vote with $$, that means something, especially when they are in short (and getting shorter!) supply. I hope the Super Delegates recognize that All support is NOT created Equally! Obama’s is not just a knee jerk, momentum/name recog driven support.. it is defined, considered, and thoughtful. I find the two candidates equivalently experienced, but Obama has displayed WISDOM in many areas.. Clinton just is like an old record, playing the same thoughts over and over.. she is no Mandela, or Ghandi..just a cog.. I want someone who won’t just “play” the game, but will CHANGE the game. We have a failed democracy right now, in that public policy is seriously off base to what the general population wants. That must be fixed. Erase all the special interest groups, make it OF the people, BY the people and FOR the people.. not for the $$ of the $$ and by the $$.
Posted by: bookwerm | February 7, 2008, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm
A quote we should never forget:
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
C. S. Lewis
Posted by: john | February 7, 2008, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm
This is a little farfetched. I’d consider Ron Paul’s supporters more zealous than Obama’s. I think Obama has more behind him than brilliant rhetoric…much like Bill Clinton did in 1992. Our country is in desperate need of a morale boost, and this is where rhetoric is important. He has a more sensible (and less socialist) health care approach, he is more interested in negotiation rather than pre-emptive striking, and he’s managed to patch together some of the terrible political polarizing that has split this country. Give the man some credit. We really need to break away from this oligarchical trend that the US is swiftly approaching. I’d rather have a one-term Jimmy Carter redux than a Kim Jong Il power transfer or 100 years of Iraq war. HELTER SKELTER!!!!!
Posted by: Celia | February 7, 2008, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm
I was really mad at this writer yesterday. I give him credit today for being fair and pointing out a huge growing problem we are starting to face. Obama is increasingly attracting the radical and eaisly led. It is a movement. So did Hitler. So did several people in history.
Now, Obama is a VERY good man. He is no Hitler. But they really pave over his inability to be president with hype and hope. Change.
But change to what? The young senator will find himself in the same restrained box as all the presidents before him. With no experience to fight is way to his own legacy.
Most of all. There will be no utopian change. The only thing that will change is the name of the president.
Posted by: tom | February 7, 2008, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm
Crikey! Most of these comments prove Tapper’s right (for once)!
Posted by: K | February 7, 2008, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm
Ok, who’s crackin’ on us old folks?! I voted for Gore and Kerry, and we still managed to keep Alfred E. Neumann in the White House!
I voted for Bill twice, (that in itself makes ME old) but I refuse to vote for Hillary.
I WILL vote for Obama, so if that makes me part of a cult, then so be it!
Wow, I voted for three white men, hmmm, I guess that makes me a racist.
All the way to the white house baaaby!
Go Obama!
Posted by: LA in Indiana | February 7, 2008, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm
Having been raised in a borderline cultish religion, I can tell you Obama’s demeanor and promises smack of “cult” from dawn to dusk. His espousing promises and changes fits the criteria of a cult. It should not be a surprise that young voters are flocking to him. They don’t have to think for themselves, he’ll do it for them. They just have to believe. Give me a break – change what, change how, change when. It’s all smoke and mirrors children. One day it may be too late to change your vote and look to someone who knows how to play the game and get things done. He has so very much to learn. Believe me, if he is the nominee, the Republicans already have all kinds of “stuff” on him. Don’t say you were not warned – there are skeletons in his closet. I think you are onto something this time Jake.
Posted by: Laura Wilson | February 7, 2008, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm
What is wrong with you people? Following Obama is certainly not a cultish endeavor. People really like him and the message he brings to America. What don’t you like the most? The fact that he is winning or the fact that people flock to his rallys? People are so jealous! He is a great person (honest, intelligent) and would be the greatest president ever. Stop trying to ruin his campaign by saying things that are not true.
Posted by: marlene | February 7, 2008, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm
All Clinton supporters can truly jump, skip, or kiss they do not decide for me what candidate I am or will vote for. Small effort on their part. Wake up and get a life.
Posted by: Sue | February 7, 2008, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm
If Obama wins this election, you may as well hook the US to the Middle East because the nation will be a whole. I never thought I would EVER see America want a President who is Muslim, and he is. Don’t be naive’. Be alert and aware. He is not what he seems to be. The Islamist extremist caused us 911, and now we want an Islamic President? What are people thinking in America?? Are we that brainless? But at least for this election, you have the right to pick who you want. May not have that same right next election people. WAKE UP.
Sandy
Ohio
Posted by: Sandy | February 7, 2008, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm
Exactly where has Obama been anymore vague than Clinton? He has a specific health care plan. He speaks carefully regarding withdrawal of troops from Iraq. He has offered specific ideas about foreign policy; from meeting with any and all world leaders without a predetermined agenda to a more direct engagement with the UN. He puts responsibility for changing the country in the laps of its citizens.
Yes, he’s a spectacular speaker. And maybe for some he is messianic (you could say the same for some Bush supporters). And maybe he is just what he seems; a very bright guy with political skills worth consideration.
Posted by: david burke | February 7, 2008, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm
I hate to burst all of the dreamers’s bubble.If Obama gets the nomination it will be 1972 all over again.He will be routed in a general election.
Posted by: Mike | February 7, 2008, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm
I agree with “LA in Indiana” 100 percent. The GOP and Clinton’s (not so dissimilar folks, both owe special interest groups their souls) have tried almost every fear tactic in the book to weaken Obama’s support but to no avail – this “cult” thing is just another iteration of those attempts. I too, will vote for McCain if Hillary wins the nomination. God knows I support women rights, but she’s a Clinton and no so different then Bush – really.
Posted by: jay | February 7, 2008, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm
You say it’s a cult? You say Obama is vague and has no plans? I say GREAT. I want a president who does nothing other than defend this country against foreign invaders.
I want a president who will NOT:
1. Pre-emptively invade other countries
2. Spend more than we take in and blow out the national debt
3. Allow corporations to set the agenda in D.C.
It’s time for a “do nothing” president.
Posted by: Psycho | February 7, 2008, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm
In addition….what about this cult? NOTHING CHANGES.
“Ike for President. Ike for President. Ike for President. You like Ike, I like Ike, everybody likes Ike for President. Bring out the banners, beat the drums, we’ll take Ike to Washington. We don’t want John or Dean or Harry. Let’s do that big job right. Let’s get in step with the guy that’s hep. Get in step with Ike. You like Ike, I like Ike, everybody likes Ike for president. Bring out the banners, beat the drums, we’ll take Ike to Washington. We’ve got to get where we are going, travel day and night. Let Adlai go the other way. We’ll all go with Ike. You like Ike, I like Ike, everybody likes Ike for President. Bring out the banners, beat the drums, we’ll take Ike to Washington. We’ll take Ike to Washington!”
Posted by: Celia | February 7, 2008, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm
Is there anything more intellectually vacuous than writing snarky comments about people who have the audacity to hope for a wiser, gentler, and more optimistic form of politics? I read through your article twice to see if I was missing something — some analysis, some insight — but no, nothing substantive, just juvenile cynicism. It’s not so cute with a 13 year-old — it’s corrosive from someone in your position.
Posted by: Ed | February 7, 2008, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm
couldn’t agree more. the koolaid drinkers are out in force. but they will never agree that they are koolaid drinkers, so there’s no point in arguing with them. fortunately, not everyone has drunk it. obama impresses me as egotistical, self-absorbed, smug, self-righteous, and all too willing to believe his own hype. the koolaid drinkers find him impressive and refer to his words (written by a 26 year old caucasian speechwriter named jon favreau, not even his own words) or to his website (websites are put together by staff). but in debates, when he’s asked a question his staff hadn’t given him a canned answer for, you can just see the wheels spinning as he tries to find a way to bluff his way out of it. hillary knows her stuff and doesn’t have to bluff. but i know you koolaid drinkers are convinced i’m wrong and are convinced you are not koolaid drinkers, so i’ll just leave my faith in rational people.
Posted by: so saddened | February 7, 2008, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm
i just read all these comments. I think people have no idea how fragile a thing like HYPE is. The media has the power to rip it away from you as much as promote you. We put up with 50 anti clinton articles a day. Yet one article like this drives the Obama supporters nuts.
Without the hype, what does obama got? You Obama folks are sure going to find out if he faces the Republican machinery.
Posted by: tom | February 7, 2008, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm
Just because a candidate comes along who just might get Congress to pass much-needed legislation, after close to 20 years of partisan stalemate, the candidate’s campaign gets called a cult?
Isn’t an open campaign better than the Bush campaign appearances, where many were turned away if they weren’t 1000 percent pro Bush?
Every campaign has supporters who are more than die-hard: remember the ones who thought Bush was Jesus?
But to lift a few comments from a punditry that is jaded, and bought and paid for by their media conglomerates, does a disservice to American citizens who, whether they support Obama, Clinton, McCain, Romney or Huckabee, have made it abundantly clear this primary season that they want Congress to begin to do some work on our behalf, they want to reunited as the United States of America, and they want a President who by his or her credentials will bring CHANGE to the way business is conducted in Washington.
This is an American citizenry who is so anxious for a sign of change that even today they are rooting that FEMA will prove themselves to be a lot more efficient in attending to those who experienced loss and devastation in the recent tornadoes than they were during Katrina and Rita and Wilma.
If the punditry thinks an electorate that wants change such as that is a cult, then you guys need to get out more.
Posted by: Connecticut Voter | February 7, 2008, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm
Let me get this straight. If you vote for Hillary, you’re a realist who wants a real candidate. If you vote for Obama, you’re a vegan moron who drank the kool-aid.
Okay, in that case, can I have the cherry kool-aid?
(He does win out in the more educated demographic. Must be serving tofu at Harvard.)
Posted by: marilyn | February 7, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm
Everyone in the Democratic Party is cult-ish. It’s the party with no logic. It runs on emotions. But unlike most religions, it’s scriptures change with the wind.
Posted by: James | February 7, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm
We trained hard… but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form up into teams we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing; and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralization.
This is the basis of Obama’s campaign.
Posted by: Petroniuos | February 7, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm
You old folk are so smart. Thank you for bush. He was great. you are so wise. Please tell us more about how we can fix this nation. Should we change the constitution to re-elect bush. Would that make the gop happy? He has great approval ratings. HAHAHAHA
The gop is done
Posted by: rufus1133 | Feb 7, 2008 12:46:16 PM
Dear rufus,
Maybe you can tell us what Obama’s plan is for us old folk? If we are so stupid, and maybe we are, to have raise something like you, what is to be done with us?
Posted by: Jimmy | February 7, 2008, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm
******END GAME ALERT************
Liberals: Have you figured out (this article makes my point further) that bigotry in the Dem party runs wild. From Bubba to Hillary’s Ghandi gas station ‘joke,’ to this very article conjuring up sublime ‘cult’ imagery, your venner is peeling. And just who is Hillary?
She voted for the war, 2 supplements, The Patriot Act, eavesdropping, data mining, and the surge, but she criticizes our approach. She is morally bankrupt.
Obama is of excellent character–just way too liberal for America. Give me Condi.
I say that and more–12 tunes this police officer wrote
Posted by: Lance Morrison | February 7, 2008, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm
The attack that Obama is short on substance is a normal, reasonable charge during any campaign season. However, make no mistake about it, the attacks in the article above regarding the fervor Obama brings to his campaign reflect the tired and angry cynicism of the old guard, threatened by a younger generation. During the debates, Mr. Obama provides just as much specifics about policy as does Clinton. It is a tactical move (you political, no know nothing talking heads) that he uses his prime time election night speeches to delve into the country’s deep desire for change in the wake of the last eight years. Its about change (stupid(s)!)
Posted by: Tim Harrington | February 7, 2008, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
To Jay: Totally disagree. McCain is so out of touch with the younger (and I mean 18-45 year olds) that he doesn’t stand a chance. Plus, he’s wrong on the war…that will be the nail in his political coffin.
Posted by: Kelly | February 7, 2008, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
Much obliged, Jake, for daring to question the messianic quality of Obama’s schtick. I have found myself turned off by the intensity of his supporter. And a bit frightened by the potential of an Obama presidency.
Posted by: Deek | February 7, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
Most of the Obama fans prove the fallacy and shallowness of his claims of uniting people and moving away from the old divisive “politics as usual”. Yeah right–someone write something you don’t like or agree with and you start name-calling, finger-pointing, and attacking. A great and exciting new way of bringing a country together! No, you’re still drinkin’ the KoolAid.
Posted by: JoeEllis | February 7, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
Why is this so different from the era of John F Kennedy? When there was division and animosity within our own nation. It is the same today if not worse.
In our country (America), people have had to hold in their breath as they waited for change and true social progress. The nation was frightened into submission by a dictatorship of an administration, which abused and disregarded the constitution at every opportunity they could.
This is why people are gushing, people are rushing. People have been waiting a long time. The youth needed a direction and have been waiting for inspiring message and it came. Stand up for our country, stand up for our constitution and stand up for our individual rights, together. That message was lost long ago but it has returned
And don’t you journalists and web journalists know any better? Anyone with a keyboard and monitor can post anything on the ‘net. (cough)(cough) :)
Posted by: john | February 7, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
Wow, I’ve never seen a thread of comments railing so hard against the writer of the blog while at the same time proving every point written in said blog… You Obama-Rama-Ding-Dongs need to get a grip.
Posted by: Wow | February 7, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
geeez, the guy said ‘what does obama got’?
hmmmm, that has to be a hillary supporter
But just to be clear, Obama has IT, whatever IT means to you! I’m sure the IT means something different for everyone, but whatever IT is, he certainly has IT!
YES WE CAN!
Posted by: LA in Indiana | February 7, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
What you really wanted to say is “voodoo”.
You rascist.
Posted by: Psycho | February 7, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
Please ask all of your friends to donate money to the Hillary Campaign, together we can beat the cult.
Posted by: Mary | February 7, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
Just another article written by an obvious Clinton sympathizer. Obama supporters should expect more of this type of dismissive media-speak in the coming weeks. In the end though, it won’t matter, because change is coming and neither the media-elite nor the Democratic establishment can stop it!
Posted by: JJ | February 7, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
Wolcott’s “I can picture President Hillary in the White House dealing with a recalcitrant Republican faction” is idiocy. More than any other democratic candidate, Clinton would face the wrath of the broad swath of Republicans who can’t stand anything associated with the Clinton name, and they will stonewall and frustrate all attempts by her at “change.” Obama is free of this baggage, and he brings the highly unusual combination of charisma, intelligence, and elocution that we haven’t had in a president in years, including Clinton’s husband. But to top it off, he isn’t public enemy number 1 for the Republicans, and this will give him a greater ability to get things done in the face of Republican recalcitrance.
Posted by: Marc | February 7, 2008, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
Barack Obama: Catchy euphemism for “cocktail of the moment”!!
Posted by: Jim | February 7, 2008, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
Obama is a leftist scumbag. Even worse than Hillary.
Posted by: jim | February 7, 2008, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
How is it that Senator Obama and Senator Clinton have very similar policies on almost every issue, but Senator Obama always gets the “no substance” tag. Hypocrisy maybe? Just because Senator Clinton is BORING doesn’t make her more substantial.
We like Senator Obama because he is NOT politics as usual. All you old school political hack types are just going to have to GET USED TO IT!
P.S. Senator Obama will actually tell us what he is going to do, Senator Clinton gets to be all vague – like with Social Security and health insurance penalties and foreign policy. What a double standard!
Posted by: nobody's fool | February 7, 2008, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm
People are entranced with Barack like he was a Brittany Spears or R. Kelley. Frighting that one day these people will wake up and find that he is a snake oil salesman for change (the change out of your pocket going to support his relatives in Africa)
Posted by: Patti | February 7, 2008, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm
The democratic party as a whole is nothing more than a cult. Think with your brain not your heart or this country is in deep trouble.
Posted by: Randyman | February 7, 2008, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm
Spot on!! The entire Democrat Party is frightening. Both Hillary and Obama get a pass from everyone. Can anyone tell me what either of them stands for and explain that stance?
Posted by: mmr | February 7, 2008, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm
I see more of the same idiotic ‘neo-con’ and Drudge non-sense. Did you lemmings know that the UCLA school of journalism (hardly conservative by any measure) rated Drudge as one of the most UN-BIASED sources? When you consider that everything linked from Drudge almost always points to another site, usually from the MSM, it kind of makes you sound like a foolish idiot when you harp on the whole Drudge neo-con angle. But, I digress, those who shout neo-con and other ridiclously ignornat monikers aren’t really interested in truth and fairness anyway, they just want their ideology to be espoused, regardless.
I keep hearing people trust Obama… no, some people trust Obama, others are voting for him because he’s the lessor of two evils in their mind. I also keep hearing about being embarrassed by our country. Well, if you are then freakin’ leave you ignorant sots. Firstly, our country does not have as big a black eye in the world community as is reported and most of the countries that have a problem with us are socialist countries who, under Clinton, got what they wanted as opposed to what OUR COUNTRY needed.
Obama and Clinton are both espousing socialist ideals, they’re both looking for income redistribution and, while I agree health care must be addressed, universal healthcare, or socialzed medicine, is not the answer and will only ruin our medical system as a whole. Believe what you want, but you’d better take a REAL, OJJECTIVE look at CA, FR and those other socilist utopia’s of free medical care. They are not nearly as good as advertised, if they were we wouldn’t have Canadians pouring across the border for treatment!
Posted by: DJH | February 7, 2008, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm
About time someone reported on this. Whether religious or secular roots, this total devotion and hanging on his every word as if he were Jesus himself. Please! He is a freakin politician with a one word campaign:change. Well we all want change, but it’s what you want to change and how you go about doing it that gets people in trouble. Trust me, four years of this guy and we will be yelling, no pleading, for change once again. THINK!
Posted by: PTCall | February 7, 2008, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm
Finally, a journalist who has the courage to look beyond the hype.
Why do Obama supporters get so aggressive when someone as much as asks a perfectly benign question : Why doesn’t Obama talk about specifics ? Why doesn’t he spell out how he is going to deal with the recession ? I know that it’s not “entertaining” or “fashionable” to talk about specific policies, but it is important especially when we are looking to elect President of the United States.
Posted by: pleaseanswer | February 7, 2008, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm
YOU PEOPLE ARE SO STUPID. READ READ READ. OBAMA VOTED “PRESENT” ON GOING TO WAR. NOT YES OR NO. THEN WROTE A LETTER OPPOSING THE WAR. THIS GUY IS AN OPPURTUNIST. HE HAS VOTED “PRESENT OVER 130 TIMES. WHAT THE HELL IS THAT. THIS GUY CAN DANCE AND SING AROUND PEOPLE AND EVERYONE BECOMES POWERLESS WHEN JOINING HIS CAMP. I AM PROUD AND ELATED TO SAY THAT I WILL VOTE FOR OUR PRESIDENT BASED ON A CANDIDATE THAT HAS TRULY EARNED IT AND NOT BECAUSE OPRAH, MARIA SHIRVER OR TED KENNEDY (ALOT OF GOOD THAT DID HIM) TO TELL ME WHO TO VOTE FOR. NO THANKS! I WILL NOT SAY WHO I AM VOTING FOR BUT IT WON’T BE OBAMA – I AM NOT CAUGHT UP IN THE FRENZY OF THIS SHOW THAT OBAMA PUTS ON. SPEAKING OF $$$$ – IS OBAMA WEALTHY.
Posted by: Frank- South Hampton | February 7, 2008, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm
This article points out the problem with Obama perfectly. All symbolism, no substance. I’m an Illinois resident and I’ve watched him since he was in the legislature. There really isn’t anything there. To all Obama supporters: what exactly does he stand for and plan to do? Specifics please. I’ve yet to hear any.
Posted by: Richard | February 7, 2008, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm
FINALLY, someone in the media has recognized the Obama factor for what it is …. merely talk and wishful thinking. It’s time for everyone to wake up and realize that it’ll take more than “hope” and “inspiration” for a Democratic President to clean up the mess left behind by President Bush. And yes, I’m a supporter of Hillary Clinton … mainly because she has the experience, the wisdom, and the know-how to clean up this mess. After she’s had her 8 years, then Obama can run and bring back the supposed “hope” and “inspiration” that we all apparently lack.
Posted by: Ken - GA | February 7, 2008, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm
Marilyn, I’m a vegan and I’m voting for Hillary (I guess I’m the exception).
My real comment: Is Tom Cruise orchestrating the Obama campaign, because this stuff sounds loony.
Posted by: Tim | February 7, 2008, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
The fact that Obama speaks to people’s hopes for a more elevated, cerebral approach to politics and policy should be celebrated. There are, no doubt, those who obsess and get carried away with their excitement. Those people will be found among supporters of any candidate, and indeed, among fans of any celebrity. But it speaks to Obama’s unique charisma, and to the conditions that exist in America today, that people see in him some sort of hope of salvation.
This does not necessarily need to have religious connotations. I would argue that people would not see it in such a way were it not for the inescapable presence of religious rhetoric in public discourse today. As you pointed out, Mike Huckabee’s speech Tuesday night was littered with biblical references.
Obama inspires people. He has a message that is uplifting. It may at times be vague, but it’s impossible to make people feel good about government when you limit yourself to the language of government. Speeches about capital gains tax or the line-item veto may be informative, but they’re a big snooze, and they’re the primary reason why more than half the electorate stays home in November. Policy is made by a large number of people – Congress, the Cabinet, etc. The job of the president is to rally these people and drive them to do the best they can on behalf of the citizenry.
Obama reminds people that Americans are what make America great. That makes them feel good about themselves and about him. I don’t believe he is being disingenuous when he says that it isn’t about him. He’s simply the person who is able to stir those emotions of pride and hope. The fact that he can make people feel positive about their country without resorting to flag-waving and patriotic platitudes seems surprising to some, because it’s what we’ve become accustomed to.
But we all deserve something better than the old-fashioned appeals to the lowest common denominator. We need somebody who has vision and those intangible qualities of true leadership that the presidency has lacked for generations. Millions of people feel that way, and they see Obama as someone who can be a great president.
That doesn’t mean they think he’s Christ.
Posted by: articulus | February 7, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
Adam I agree with you if Obama was White we wouldn’t see this article, however, it would be because he wouldn’t have made it this far. I can’t help think if we did this process like the old dating game and put a wall between us and the candidates and even put Edwards back in the race. Make each of the candidates list their accomplishments and their plans Obama would be the one saying “Hey isn’t there 3 of us here”
P.S. if you watched his rally in Kansas he was white there!
Posted by: Deni | February 7, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
I have yet to hear any solid policy statements by Obama. He is VERY liberal and all he has done is motivate people who can’t think for themselves
Posted by: JDB | February 7, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
I have yet to hear any solid policy statements by Obama. He is VERY liberal and all he has done is motivate people who can’t think for themselves
Posted by: JDB | February 7, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
DON’T HATE THE PLAYER…HATE THE GAME.
Posted by: TJ IN LA | February 7, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
It is very odd for a reporter who follows Mike Huckabee to single out Obama for fanatical followers!
Posted by: jock59801 | February 7, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
Finally, a journalist who has the courage to look beyond the hype.
Why do Obama supporters get so aggressive when someone as much as asks a perfectly benign question : Why doesn’t Obama talk about specifics ? Why doesn’t he spell out how he is going to deal with the recession ? I don’t see Obama supporters complain when the MSM has been giving free ride to Obama. I know that it’s not “entertaining” or “fashionable” to talk about specific policies, but it is important especially when we are looking to elect President of the United States.
Posted by: pleaseanswer | February 7, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
To Kelly: I see your point that McCain is out of touch, though he does stand a good chance in defeating Hillary b/c in DC the Clinton name is trash – really. Plus I think McCain is right on the war, we can’t just pull out and let Iran/Syria fill the vacuum with an extremist government (granted we should never have gone into Iraq, but that’s moot now). I do support Obama 100 percent if for nothing else his so-called inexperience is exactly what I like, he isn’t tied in Washington old-school white man (I’m white) politics. And he’s a pleasure to listen to as a speaker. If Hillary takes the nomination, I’d rather take my chances with McCain in office then re-live the horror show that became the last Clinton presidency (Bubba in the White House again – god help us all!)
Posted by: jay | February 7, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
Yea…We need more republicans to tell us to just go shopping and not worry about the war, the economy, jobs or our poor people. Senator Obama will put responsibility on US!! Where it is supposed to start. He will Lead!! I can understand your confusion. You have to look at what he will do. This war will end. Our young troops will not be killed for no reason. We will help the poor. We will get America back to where she is supposed to be. Hillary, you may go with Mitt now…
Posted by: Michael Douvris | February 7, 2008, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
Whenever you read responses to any article or blog entry, you get to read responses from some real loons out there. This article bases itself on a few apparently overzealous supporters, which is an unfair characterization of Obama himself and most of his supporters. Apparently, there are some “wierdos” supporting any candidate, but you can’t say all their supporters or the candidate him/herself is like that….what an absurd argument.
Posted by: Kim | February 7, 2008, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm
QUOTE:
“but i know you koolaid drinkers are convinced i’m wrong and are convinced you are not koolaid drinkers, so i’ll just leave my faith in rational people.”
TRANSLATION:
“but i know I’M right and YOU’RE wrong, so i’ll just ignore you and pretend you’re all irrational while i only listen to people that agree with me”
——
Thanks for the contribution.
Posted by: C.S. | February 7, 2008, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm
Our president Bush has thought with his head and not his emotion, like the Democrats. He knows what he is doing, even if everyone disagrees. We need to continue his crusade against the enemy
within and without. End of sentence.
Its all of the Democratic thinking in circles that prevents real action-go ask Bush !
Posted by: Harley L. Johnston | February 7, 2008, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm
Right on! Thanks for putting this lemming-rush into perspective. It’s getting precious and netting the $$$like a Sunday televangelist operation, and far more $$ than shake-down race-man Jesse Jackson ever could. But he sees it just like Oprah and Spike Lee, for it’s a glorious racial opportunity which is more important than gender. And so what if it is! It’s time to show America and the world, and it makes sense! And the white throng is mounting with fawning idealists, a college and university and generational happening, including the sheltered ultra-wealthy, and blow-hard rummy Ted Kennedy, resounding in the phenom-wave, Chris Matthews included. But that’s what it’s all about. Sinatra, Elvis,The Beatles, Barack! It’s OBAMA TIME! The exotic name, the somewhat paled African blend in his features, and viola! We have hope and change! Issues and debating skill and experience where Hillary beats him, and shady O’Bama land deals with a shyster, where Hillary may beat him there too, really fall on deaf ears when you’re locked in fawning hypnosis! At least the country hasn’t gone the way of Iran when the Ayatollah ushered in the new wave. So I’m voting for Hillary because I just can’t flow with the pundits’ preference and mass deification while my ear’s hearing the safety of high phrases replacing specifics, as the sighing comes out and maybe some even faint. And then the media tone it down and shift into a lower gear when speaking of Hillary’s crowd. I guess I’ve always had a thing for the underdog getting pounded against the ropes while the hysterical cheer. Might even send her a few bucks to help her go a few more rounds before the throng rises to its feet in elation as she falls face forward. How Spike Lee will leap from his seat! ( And I think it’s wonderful that America should have a black president. And I think Obama is the one. And he will win. And I think it’s good! But I saw Hillary tear a little and was actually touched, and I realized she was human and not a machine and she is far more alert to specifics and beats Obama in the debates, and who can deny that she isn’t giving it her last drop of all in this loosing effort against the mounting wave and maximum media support for Obama. Oprah said that women should not be ashamed to vote for Obama. Such a racially self-serving manipulation. So as a white woman, I say women should not be made ashamed and feel they are racists if they vote for this opportunity to have the first female president. I’d vote for the ultra-intelligent Condoleeza too! And so would Oprah and company, abandoning the democrats.)
Posted by: B.J. | February 7, 2008, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm
I hope you are comparing this to the current cult of Clintonfollowers! How else would you explain the appeal of Hillary/Bill?
Posted by: JP | February 7, 2008, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm
This is pretty obnoxious and cynical. Nobody is allowed to get excited about politics anymore? Dems should be absolutely *delighted* by the Obama tidal wave. Who do you think beat the Republican turnout 2-1 in many states on Super Tuesday? Who stood out in the freezing rain in Wichita for hours waiting to caucus? And who do you think is going to run the current president out on a rail? The reason people are annoyed is that a) you’ve got a new generation of Democrat voters and the older, etablished Democrats don’t like it. “Get off my lawn!” And b) Hillary sour grapes. And what is this whole nonsense of not knowing what Obama stands for or what his policies are? Go to youtube and watch some debates! Go to his website! Look at his senatorial voting record! USE THE GOOGLE AND THE INTERNETS THAT GOD GAVE YOU! And by the way, Obama was at the Senate yesterday voting for FISA amendments and protecting your privacy; your beloved Hillary was not. Think about that as you sip your glass of whine.
Posted by: Steve | February 7, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
I laugh when you all blame the Democratic Party. I am a democrat and will say that BOTH parties are dismal. Democrats and Republicans, what does either party have to be proud of?
It was the Republicans, non-partisans and Independents that Barack Obama brought out to vote that changed the political landscape. Not just more Democrats. Many Republicans are also backing Obama.
The Republicans for Obama campaign is growing bigger each day. I’ve heard that even pins and stickers for Republicans for Obama are sold out and back ordered.
With all due respect, everyone has their opinions but others need to wake up and realize what time of day it is.
Posted by: john | February 7, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
What’s absurd about this is you could have said the same thing for JFK or MLK.
That’s what happens when people want real change. . .
He’s created a movement of people who have never been involved in politics in their life and now you compare that to a cult?
How absurd.
Posted by: JW | February 7, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
Every politician seeks the level of adulation that Obama is receiving– they were the first celebrities, the first pop stars. The Clintons aren’t running strictly because they are power hungry or because of some ingrained sense of public service: they want to be adored! They want to sit next to Bono and get the VIP treatment. This isn’t anything new.
I’ve sat in awe listening to life-long feminists defend Bill Clinton’s philandering ways out of some bizarre Bill worship. Similarly, I’ve sat in awe listening to young republicans describing W as a “great man” in history.
Posted by: PLV | February 7, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
Whoever becomes the next president will bring changes for Americans! Who won’t? Unless he’s a clone of President Bush. Apart from stressing those EMPTY “changes” is there anything more solid Mr. Obama can offer Americans? Maybe with the current difficulties Americans are facing with we don’t really want some radical changes. We need someone with proven records that s/he can head US in the right direction.
Posted by: Change? | February 7, 2008, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
Reading this article had me chuckling, but reading the comments made me burst into laughter out loud. When did people become cult members for fervently believing in someone? Does that mean that all along their has been a cult of Republicans? I feel the Obama article missed a key point. Instead of criticizing the people who choose to follow Obama (of which I incidentally am not, I’m a McCain Supporter at this point and a registered Independent), they should wonder why politics has digressed to a point where people just need the thought of change to endorse. they should wonder how our government and politics in general has jaded the American public to such a point that we EXPECT back door deals and non disclosure. It would have made a much better article in my opinion.
Posted by: Jay | February 7, 2008, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
If some of you have yet to hear any policy specifics, I ask you: have you spent any time or effort at all looking? It doesn’t take long to find specifics, if you actually looked before you complain about not knowing something. How about finding out? It’s all there — in many of his speeches, his legislation, and laid out in much detail on his website!! LOOK!!
Posted by: Kim | February 7, 2008, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
Heh, I can tell you exactly what Obama will do for you old folks. It’s right there on his website. He wants to see you passing your expertise to the next generation through volunteering and he’s not going to ask any senior citizens to pay a dime in taxes if you make under 50K annually. I think that’s a pretty sweet deal given everything you’ve put my generation through.
Posted by: Garrett | February 7, 2008, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm
WOW!!
To call Obama supporters nothing more than Sheep who can’t think for themselves is to truly be outside of reality.
Look at the exit polls before you make idiotic comments.
One of Obama’s biggest strength comes from those who have attained higher education, people who have earned college degrees. It is Clinton Supporters who are mostly lower educated people.
Posted by: Robb Herndon | February 7, 2008, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
change, change, change, change, change.
I’m getting sick of the word. What is it these morons, CLINTON & OBAMA, want to change. I’ll tell you. They want to change how much freedom we have by giving us less. They want to change how much money we have in our pockets by taking more of it. They want to change how we deal with our enemies by running instead of fighting. They want to change the amount of control the government has over our lives by giving themselves more control. They want to change our healthcare system so that Washington makes the decisions not you or your doctors. CHANGE. Not for the better I’m afraid. Just a final note. As a republican I feel McCain is no better than the before mentioned morons
of change.
Posted by: RG | February 7, 2008, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
The attacks are ONLY coming because the Billary supporters falsely believed that she would be “crowned” as the democratic nominee by now. Billary and her supporters are in shock and lashing out hoping to shift the attention from her funding her own campaign!!! Don’t play their game. Ignore them. How can Billary get America out of its financial rut WHEN SHE CAN’T EVEN MANAGE HER OWN CAMPAIGN BUDGET despite having the BEST CAMPAIGN TEAM — the same team that got Bill to the White House twice?! They are in shock because ALL THE CARDS were STACKED in THEIR FAVOR and they still can’t pull ahead. Please sit and be quiet Team Billary. Watch and learn Billary suporters — watch and learn. Call Obama’s campaign whatever you want to call it — sticks and stones.
Posted by: Charm | February 7, 2008, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
Finally a journalist has the courage and ethics to talk the truth however unpopular. I hope you are able to keep your job because of what you have said.The rest of the media has been too afraid to really speak to this…(might be called out as racist or fired)
I have been watching Obama and are struck by the “preacher, religious zeal tone” of his speeches & comments. If he wins the nomination, the Republicans will tear down the curtain of the wizard. Inspirational he is but no substance in his plans.
Voice in Illinois
Posted by: Betty | February 7, 2008, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm
Maybe I’m a little too cynical, but I can’t help wonder if this reveal by Hillary Clinton that she donated $5 million of her own money to her campaign isn’t calculated to garner her public sympathy. She certainly is playing up the “underdog” label. In fact, this isn’t the first time in her campaign that she’s try to play a rival as a big meany – first that the boys were ganging up on her at the early debates, now that she’s got to dig into her own pocket just to keep up with Obama’s super-fundraising. Sorry, but she didn’t get my sympathy before and she’s not going to get it now. Hillary, go home to Chappaqua!
Posted by: Erika | February 7, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
If Obama wins, I hope Mike Bloomberg jumps in the race. I’m not ready to trust an empty suit with our country. 8 more years in the senate, he would have a record that I could trust more.
Posted by: chris | February 7, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
Let’s be honest. Billary ws relying on “name recognition” to propel them to the nomination. Billary and the rest of Team Billary would LOVE it if Billary had a suposedly ‘cult following’. They would spin it so that they looked like the Creator and they would spin it to show how much the people love the Clintons. Can we just call this “cult envy”? LMAO!
Posted by: Charm | February 7, 2008, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm
So you’re mistaking a politician with uplifting rhetoric for the messiah? Just because we’ve become used to a president who can’t speak English, a dull Democrat leading the Senate, and right-wing loonies on the radio who invent new hate terms doesn’t make Obama into something he’s not. But you can compare his speeches to those of MLK, JFK, and FDR.
Posted by: Phil | February 7, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
ahh.. so this is push back for Obama turning out the vote among young folks?
Something of this smacks of 70s anti-organization paranoia.
I think what the Obama campaign is shooting for is something that’s more early-60s reverence for America’s institutions.
Evidence to support that view? References to MLK, JFK, Ted and Caroline Kennedy’s involvement in the campaign.
The word ‘cult’ colored by ‘helter-skelter’ snarks up the author’s line of argument in a way that allows him to discount any heated negative criticism of his position (after all, it was hyperbole, people shouldn’t take themselves so seriously!) while at the same time leaving the possibility open that what he is writing is an actual opinion based on actual research.
Mostly, this article is a comment-lightning rod. Do they get commission for comments up at ABC? :D
In the end, I think what dooms this article is that it raises an emotional symbol, with high conjecture, and little care for the words used.
I give Mr. Tapper’s article a ‘puffed wheat with skim milk, and a side of water’ rating on my breakfast foods scale.. hungry for actual food at the first bite.
And I look forward to reading better articles by him.
Posted by: sidMerid | February 7, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
Some of us understand the “we are the ones we have been waiting for”. For those who do not, and I can understand the problem here–there is a depth to this statement (and other similar ones) that may need to be explicated. Easiest translation: “Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country.” Or other translations: “Get involved in the process.”; “Get up off the couch.”; “Apathy is no longer cool–being informed, registering to vote, working to get the candidate who you believe will be able to move the country in the direction you would like.”
I think this might be the time for the press to take a deep breath and attempt to get the essence of what someone is saying before attempting to put a negative label on it for the sake of creating sensational headlines.
Posted by: Carol Wandrey | February 7, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
Right on Jake. Cut the evangelism. I don’t want a preacher/messiah for President.
Posted by: mtrav | February 7, 2008, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm
“Basing a conclusion on opinions posted on listserves and blogs. Now there’s a winning strategy. And anyway, people are enthusiastic about their candidate. Isn’t that a good thing?”
That’s EXACTLY what I was about to type. Good stuff DKNY….
Posted by: PHISHER | February 7, 2008, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
Shame on you.. Well I should expect this from the same crowd that proclaimed Hillary as the inevitable one..
Posted by: Ann | February 7, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm
Whoa! The cool-aid drinkers are in full force today. Mr. Tapper it appears you’ve inadvertently poked the idea of the religious movement you so correctly described.
I’m a libertarian small-govt. person so I really have NO viable candidate in the race, but I can definitely see the fanaticism at work here. It’s almost like you can delete the article you wrote above and just show the posted responses to support your case…
Posted by: GG | February 7, 2008, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm
A man comes in with a vision and he is blasphemed by the common folks who (for the lack of a better word) or cynics.
For the record…what makes me like Obama is not necessarily of what he can do as “Daddy” president, but what he inspire the Amercian people to do as common people. The man uses the word “WE” more than anybody candidate out there.
Posted by: Chad Butler | February 7, 2008, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm
democrats are nothing more than zombies.
Posted by: UNCHANGE | February 7, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm
PHISHER said–
And anyway, people are enthusiastic about their candidate. Isn’t that a good thing?”
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Ha ha–AmeriKwans are entusiastic about hip hop too. http://podblanc.com
Posted by: Craig Cobb | February 7, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm
Yay. Another establishment stooge coming to tell us the po’ stupid masses how Obama the populist is dangerous. Shove it Jake Tapper. Since you’re probably being paid by the CIA to write this crap, I wouldn’t be surprised to see you make a lame attempt to tie Obama into UFO’s and 9/11. Go ahead. We all need a good laugh.
Posted by: John | February 7, 2008, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
What has Obama done? This is a good question. Why don’t we review a small portion of his record…
Barack wasn’t twiddling thumbs to become the President of the Harvard Law Review.
Wait, didn’t Hillary fail the bar the first time?
Here’s some more:
His first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427.
These included:
**the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 (became law),
**The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, (became law),
**The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate,
**The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, (became law),
**The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill, (In committee),
and many more.
In all since enter the U.S. Senate, Senator Obama has written 890 bills and co-sponsored another 1096.
If Hillary gets the nomination, we will lose the White House. As of last week (i.e.: before Super Tuesday), McCain beat her in all but one poll.
So, silly Mr.Tapper and all you other kids who just haven’t done your research, take a harder look.
Just because he is a magnificent public speaker and is one of the most charismatic presidential candidates that many of us have ever seen, doesn’t mean that he doesn’t actually deserve the support he is getting from the masses. And, it doesn’t mean that he isn’t the best man for the job.
I was unaffiliated before Barack came along. Now, I think I’m a democrat. Odd. That must mean I’ve joined this cult.
Or maybe, just maybe I actually believe that Barack Obama is the best man to unite our country, both internally and with the rest of the world.
Posted by: Christina Trovato | February 7, 2008, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
To fellow Obama supporters:
Obama is not and should not be immune to criticism. When you call valid questions ‘attacking’ you do in fact make us look cultish. When you have an automatic, knee-jerk reaction to questions about Obama’s candidacy, that he’s being unfairly attacked(usually while unfairly attacking Hillary in the process) you make us look like idiots. The point here is well taken–the enthusiasm and feelings of excitement are real, but we (starting with Obama himself) need to go beyond the feel-good approach and start talking about specifics, and not just pointing people to the website. Ultimately, this kind of mentality is unfair to Obama–he is a good candidate and will make a good president, but we are setting him up to fail if we think that just because he’s inspirational and we’re excited, he’s going to magically change everything. Let’s turn this excitement and passion into action!
Posted by: Ted | February 7, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
I, a 25 year old, hard-core leftist, cannot believe what I am reading.
Do you Obama people have any cognitive abilities at all? Do you know how our government works? Obama can’t bring “change.” Maybe you all don’t understand the constitution, but the legislature passes the laws… and our Democratic legislature is elected using money from pacs and lobbist. Not to mention the Republicans, who don’t want the “change” you’re looking for. A left wing demogoue is no better, and no more effective than a right wing one.
He’s selling you a slogan, and you’re buying it without reading the product details. And you’re being hypocritical. You’re criticizing anyone who critizes him. This is America, where we Democrats are supposed to value free speech. We’re supposed to question and critize. We were called unpatriotic for questioning and critizing George Bush, but I think those of you who are questioning and critizing our right to question and critize really don’t understand what “change” should mean.
I am audacious enough to think that hope should not be monopolized by a candidate to win an election. I audaciously hope that people will not vote for a president based on personality, but on qualifications. If you go on a job interview, I hope the interviewer will be audacious enough to question your experience. We, as the American people, have the obligation to question and critize our political candidates.
If you want change, it starts with the legislature. We need to bring about change is to elect a legislature that will pass campaign finance reform. What we need is a president with the clout in the legislature to get that done, even if that is JOHN McCAIN.
OBAMA is divisive. More than half of Democratic voters in the primaries didn’t vote for him. His wife doesn’t know if she would support Hillary in a general election. That is the most divisive statement I’ve heard in this election. She is no better than Rush Limaugh. They’re telling you if its not him, you’re doomed. THAT IS NOT TRUE. His politics and Hillary’s are almost identical.
Stop drinking the Kool Aid and start spending your time learning something about civics. Then, make an informed decision.
Posted by: Laura | February 7, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
-Obama doesn’t take a stand on the issues? Excuse me? Check his website, watch some tapes of the democratic debate in California. He has very detailed policies, very clear plans and very clear goals. Secondly, he is quite willing to compromise on these plans, and has been described by serious journalists, who have actually examined his record, as an incrementalist, i.e. a pragmatist, who will compromise across party lines to get things done.
Which brings me to my second point. Is this sort of broadside, lambasting article serious journalism? The claims are baseless, and filled with a level of partisan, insider, beltway baloney. If Obama stirs up zeal and Christian fervor in his constituents, it is actually for a very good, precise, calculated, cold, political reason, and the fact that you journalists can’t see it is more telling about the level of intelligence in the media than anything else. Obama has been quite clear throughout the campaign that he is not just aiming for democrats and independents, he wants evangelicals on his side too. That’s right, hard core evangelicals who favor the bible over the constitution. The religious references in his speeches, his calls to Jesus in his stump speech are all clearly calculated on a political level to fracture the Right and bring Red-Letter Christians back into the fold of the democratic party, you know, the party that actually buys into the idea “what you do to the least of my brothers you do unto me.” This is actually the brilliant, political side of Obama — he thinks against the internal, traditional wisdom of the democratic party, which states that we have no business in a Church, no business dealing with Republicans.
Finally, to address one other claim made in the entry above. “We are the change we seek.” This is quite vague, but if you think about it, the statement is again made to appeal to Republicans, who are always talking about personal responsibility versus the democratic logic communal aid. We are the change we seek implies that nobody in Washington is going to change your life, you have to do it yourself, and that is that same stuff that I hear everyday from Republicans – it’s just put in a different, more rhetorically appealing way. None of this makes Obama republican, of course, but what it does show, first, is that whomever wrote the above entry has no sense of how to perform a freshman-college level rhetorical analysis, and, second, that Obama is carefully whittling away at that Regan coalition, starting to undo the horrible damage that the anti-Christ did to this country back in 1980.
Posted by: jh | February 7, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
What is wrong with Americans? there is a sickness where for almost 20 years we have supported a bush/clinton/bush dynasty and we are no better off now then we were in 1988 (please someone ask me to quantify this statement). Clinton supports, please look at Obama more closely, go to his Web site for policy details, and watch his videos on YouTube – there are no excuse to claim he is policy vague, please do your research. Please end this sickness that is crippling American politics by creating a 2 family dynasty; if Hillary wins the election you can bet your sweet potato that Jeb Bush will go for it next… please *think* and stop accepting sound bites and messages designed for short attention spans (not an insult folks, and actual Clinton campaign philosophy – how well do you remember Bill’s years in office; the “gate” scandals; the real estate partners committing suicide; the women, the impeachment, the lies under oath, the wounded first lady, losing his bar license, and yes there is more…)
Posted by: jay | February 7, 2008, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
I agree that as Obama gets more supporters I am seeing an increasing amount of zeal (the type of unwavering zeal that i have seen in Clinton supporters earlier).
I disagree however as to the source of the zeal…I think it stems more from his unusual combination of a candid nature of his demeanor while simultaneously appearing dignified and eloquent.
As someone who IS familiar with his proposed policies and his views on the issues, I agree that his campaign can afford now to bring those things out in a more national format (ie. sonme of the TV commercials, all the Media ops, and definitely the debates etc). Some people might not listen intently, but now that he has people’s attentions I think a good number will pay attention to those more involved things.
Posted by: washingtonian | February 7, 2008, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
change, change, change, change, change.
I’m getting sick of the word. What is it these morons, CLINTON & OBAMA, want to change. I’ll tell you. They want to change how much freedom we have by giving us less. They want to change how much money we have in our pockets by taking more of it. They want to change how we deal with our enemies by running instead of fighting. They want to change the amount of control the government has over our lives by giving themselves more control. They want to change our healthcare system so that Washington makes the decisions not you or your doctors. CHANGE. Not for the better I’m afraid. Just a final note. As a republican I feel McCain is no better than the before mentioned morons
of change.
Posted by: NO CHANGE | February 7, 2008, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
So… voting for the wife of a former President and continuing the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton bicameral dynasty is not cultish?
Suckers!
Posted by: Frommaine | February 7, 2008, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm
The angry responses of Obama supporters here proves the author’s point.
Posted by: pleaseanswer | February 7, 2008, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm
“We are the ones we’ve been waiting for,” Obama said. “This time can be different because this campaign for the presidency of the United States of America is different. It’s different not because of me. It’s different because of you.”
“Ask not what your country can do for You but what You can do for your country.”
What is wrong with a cult of Personality, That is what term limits are for, Bill only 8 years.
Posted by: Homer | February 7, 2008, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm
Yes. People with college educations, high wage earners. Sheep! Just ask the insurance instute.
Posted by: ts | February 7, 2008, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm
I heard the same words long ago; coming from another man, he was called a great leader, one who understood the people. Many fell and worshiped him for he lead the nation out of apathy and right into well. He came to power with subtlety, ceased the government by intrigue and brought the world to its knees. No one questioned his politics before he came to power and turned on all, though the writing was clearly seen, many called his detractor evil vile and mean. I saw the man I heard his words they haunt my nightmares for I see it happening all again.
Posted by: James Lord | February 7, 2008, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm
Obama? No way. Jeb Bush people, it’s the only way.
Posted by: Tommy | February 7, 2008, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm
What’s scary is all these Haters who seem unable to come up with an independent thought of their own, and simply parrot what the talking-head pundant punks have to say. Please, people, grow up! Of course you’ve never seen anything like this, unless you happen to have been born before 1940, it’s called a Movement, not a cult. I for one am thankful that people finally are EXCITED about a candidate, instead of having to choose between the least of several evils. And to those who say they don’t know what Obama stands for, or is riding on rhetoric alone – GET A CLUE, open your ears and eyes, watch the debates and visit the Obama website, where all of his planks are clearly delineated.
Posted by: Mike | February 7, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
What’s scary is all these Haters who seem unable to come up with an independent thought of their own, and simply parrot what the talking-head pundant punks have to say. Please, people, grow up! Of course you’ve never seen anything like this, unless you happen to have been born before 1940, it’s called a Movement, not a cult. I for one am thankful that people finally are EXCITED about a candidate, instead of having to choose between the least of several evils. And to those who say they don’t know what Obama stands for, or is riding on rhetoric alone – GET A CLUE, open your ears and eyes, watch the debates and visit the Obama website, where all of his planks are clearly delineated.
Posted by: Mike | February 7, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
How very odd the comments of a precious few should generate this type of article. I suspect there is something deeper, and more personal to the author’s uneasiness, which led him to produce this article.
Perhaps it’s his inability to properly consign a ready catergory for the huge crowds Sen. Obama is drawing. But I think if he would take a calm moment and consider the past and ever-occurring, political castrophes of the past 8 years, he might be able to at least view it as what it is, normal.
Americans are almost desperate for transparency, honesty, and ideas in our government; and Sen.Obama appears to offer these in a far larger degree than the other presidential contenders; from Sen. “Vast right conspriracy” Hillary Clinton to Sen.’perhaps 100 years in Iraq” McCain.
Frankly, Sen. Obama is the type of political leader we haven’t seen in so long, some Americans are quite literally beside themselves with HOPE for an honest to goodness government.
Isn’t it about time America had one, enthusiasm and all.
Linda
Posted by: Linda | February 7, 2008, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm
Obama scares the hell out of me and I am a far left liberal, he is not what he claims to be, he is a fraud. Beware Democrats you are about to step into a hole you cannot crawl out of, you are about to decapitate our party by selecting a FRAUD. He doesn’t inspire he divides, there is more to runing this country than making speaches………does anyone remember JIM JONES and Guyanna?
Posted by: Claude | February 7, 2008, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm
Mr. Tapper,
Although I credit you for providing links to the referenced authors’ writings, you combined excerpts to craft a very negative article; one that seems to have inspired quite a bit of anger. But since much of the media attacks Hillary with sound bites and carefully selected news clips, I knew enough to read the entire articles of those you quoted (I respect Kathleen Geier’s article). The authors’ sentiments were not as negative as your article portrayed.
And what did your article achieve; in my eyes anyway? Just another forum – this one justifiable – for mainly anti-Hillary/Clinton bloggers. But at times, it is hard for me to read the mean spirited responses by supporters of all candidates, not just Obama’s. At least in the last debate Obama and Hillary recognized the importance of kinder ways.
Posted by: GJ | February 7, 2008, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm
Obama gets my vote.
Posted by: V.I. Lenin | February 7, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
Kool Aid anyone?
Posted by: Bookem Dano | February 7, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
Well now…….if the anti-Obama crowd is accusing his followers of being a cult and comparing Obama to Jesus Christ, seeing as it is now Lent, the next step is to crucify him! Watch for the Clinton machine to do just that.
Posted by: una connors | February 7, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
Jay, you are almost 100% correct. Your mistake is assuming that Obama is a deviation from the Bush/Clinton dynasty when in fact, he is the culmination of it. He is Hillary’s replacement, picked as early as 2004 (see ’04 Dem convention).
Posted by: Jim | February 7, 2008, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
Jake, i totally agree. When Oprah said in california that she had found the “truth” in Obama, i couldn’t believe what i was hearing.
Posted by: Missmadeleine2002 | February 7, 2008, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
You know what’s one of the funniest things is about Obama? When he speaks in front of a black audience, he adopts the speech paterns, cadence, and tenor of a black, Southern Baptist Minister.
I mean who is this guy kidding? He grew up in a white family in Kansas, Hawaii and Indonesia. He probably never even met another African-American until he moved to NYC to attend Columbia.
So why does he speak like Dr. Martin Luther Obama? Too funny.
Posted by: Patrick Cropper | February 7, 2008, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm
Jake, how old are you! Perhaps you’re to young to remember the following of Bobby Kennedy. I was 5 when JFK was assasinated. MLK and Bobby both created movments in the “democratic” and “left” arenas. When was the last time this county had an leader who asked us to “sacrifice” or do anything altruistic for this country. [don't say Reagan, all he did was say "feel good about america and govt. is "bad", however, corp's and the private sectors are great for america] Think about it. Every person who spoke to “the better angels of our nature” in recent history was gunned down. What does that do to a generation? 3 in less that a decade. We told ourselves we didn’t need one. No wonder televangelists filled the void to the unwashed masses. Hearing Obama the other night, and seeing him with the Kennedys the past week started to heal a wound I didn’t even know was there. There was a time when all politicians were great orators. We’ve just forgotten that ours had been gunned down before they ever got started. Maybe that’s why “Tweety” said this is greater than the Kennedys’s, our need [thirst] for great oration is not to be ignored. Maybe, times require someone to “move” the population for the benefit of the nation.
Posted by: robin | February 7, 2008, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm
All of this covers the fact, that, at the core of St. Obama, is a Corrupt Chicago Machine Democrat of the old school.
Don’t believe, do some Internet searches under the term “REZKO” + “HOUSE” and “Slumloard”.
people should grow up, and start thinking for them selfs rather then letting the media do there’d thinking.
Posted by: Chiago machine | February 7, 2008, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm
There is something fundamentally wrong with “offering solutions for America” People are best protagonists of their own problems. How come few people see this dead before arrival approach of HRC?
Posted by: Edward | February 7, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm
It is nothing new to see young people inspired by a smooth talker who doesn’t give specifics and who has no history upon which to base their trust. Young people need hope. Without it there is little reason to live. The reason older people prefer a known quantity is they have “been there, done that” and realize that campaign rhetoric is just so much wind–no matter who’s doing the talking. Choosing a candidate based on the campaign rhetoric of hope and change, particularly when no specifics are given, is like taking out a subprime mortgage without investigating what the risks might be. We’ve all seen where that might get us.
Posted by: agedtoperfection | February 7, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm
“Cult”?… no, its a “buzz”: a feeling of intense enthusiasm (for Obama).
Posted by: RDS | February 7, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm
“I disagree however as to the source of the zeal…I think it stems more from his unusual combination of a candid nature of his demeanor while simultaneously appearing dignified and eloquent.”
I think it’s because he has purple lips, we have never had a president before who has purple lips, that’s a big draw for young people who don’t know any better.
Posted by: okdokethen | February 7, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm
Every time I hear Osama speak, sorry, OBAMA, and Clinton, I feel my wallet and 401k shrinking.
Posted by: NO CHANGE | February 7, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm
Antichrist, anyone?
Posted by: Tim | February 7, 2008, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm
I like to think of myself as a reasonable person. I’m also a registered Democrat, and I generally support Democratic candidates (gosh, I voted for Dukakis, Gore and Kerry, heaven help me). Maybe I’m just too cynical, but here’s what troubles me about the Obama candidacy: this is not the first time there’s been a Democratic anti-war candidate, in favor of change, who many young people thought was a great guy. Does anyone remember George McGovern? How well did that turn out? I seem to remember that the election was one by the *other* guy.
This is looking more and more like that, as opposed to Kennedy’s success in 1960. Do you really think that the GOP hasn’t already commissioned the ads which note gleefully that Obama’s got the full endorsement of Teddy Kennedy?
Posted by: jeff | February 7, 2008, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm
Curious that over 80% of black voters support Obama…I understand it but am surprised Jesse and Al aren’t front and center screaming “RACISM”
Obama is most likely our next prez…I hope he is what the sheep hope he is.
Posted by: Dave Rice | February 7, 2008, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm
Not a cult, just a loyal following for the right person at the right time.
Posted by: aw | February 7, 2008, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm
Thank you, Jake.
Somewhere in the recesses of my tiny little mind I have been increasingly uncomfortable with Obama. I really reached for it Tuesday night when I saw his speech; messianic in tone — carefully calibrated by intonation and cadence to stir the crowd to repeat the bumper sticker phrases he was feeding them. One word came to mind. “Demagoguery.”
Obama may be decent enough, certainly bright enough, but he may not be able to turn off what was started by Oprah– “He’s the one.”– and others in the press in their adolation for this man.
I know too well how we have longed for someone to deliver us from these terrible 8 years with the Bush administration and the previous 2 when President Clinton was underseige with the Republican Congress. But is a vague promise of deliverance the answer?
I am a democrat and will vote for the top of the ticket. But if Obama is nominated, his style will not go unnoticed by the public. How is he going to up against John McCain on national security? Remember the guys who knocked down our towers? They were religious, looking for a kind of purity, thinking that their deed would gain them deliverance. And if he wins, can he whip up this kind of following in the Congress? How does this translate into governance?
Obama is charismatic, but for the sake of the democratic party and the country I wish he could put aside his anointed role and tell us where he wants our country to go and how he will govern.
p.s.: for the sake of argument Harry Truman had a charisma by-pass, but made a pretty good president for some perilous times. Amen.
Posted by: mags | February 7, 2008, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
It’s about time the light was shone on this cultish fever. I’m amazed how short people’s memories are as Bush was once revered as a fresh face and change agent… look what that got us!
Obama has a mere one year in the Senate and he claimed to pass nuclear legislation, when in fact his campaign was being financed by Exelon.
Posted by: abridge | February 7, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
I’m an Obama Republican. I know all of the candidates’ positions.
But, I’m not a member of a cult.
Posted by: jpb | February 7, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
Obama’s poetic flummery and pandering piffle is fooling many people. His words crumble like sand when one attempts to discern what he is actually saying. He is saying nothing.
There really are many suckers born every election cycle.
Posted by: James W. | February 7, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
What does Obama bring to the table that Hillary does not? Integrity. Clinton has broken pledges to the DNC and her fellow candidates in regards to putting her name on the ballot in Michigan and campaigning in Florida. What promises will she make to you that she’ll break? Yes, Obama supporters are not so cynical as to believe they need a lying, cheating, stealing president in order to get things done. We’ve had enough lies in the past seven years. 935 on Iraq alone.
Posted by: Steve | February 7, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
The other problem with the Obama supporters is a lot of them have begun to label Hillary as if she is the devil and how dare she get in Obama’s way. I have to agree about some of them and say that I am starting to think of sitting home if Obama is the nominee just because of their attitudes.
Posted by: eric | February 7, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
Why does obama want to silence the voters of Florida and Michigan?
Posted by: geevill | February 7, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
Ron Paul followers are the real Kool Aid drinkers. Get your purple jogging suits and Nikes ready, here come the comet.
Posted by: john | February 7, 2008, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm
Eventually he is going to have to get specific about the changes he will be making. What the party needs is a moderate like Hillary to get the Repubs off of our back for the next 10-15 years. If we win this and stay in the middle with our policies, the Democrats will be in power as long as we want to be.
I fear that the Independants are going to find out just how much spending is going to occur under Obama and that he won’t stand a chance. Go Hill!
Posted by: Teddy K | February 7, 2008, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm
Several blogs and articles have been hitting the Obama campaign hard on the notion that he is building a cult.
First, let me just say that I am an Obama supporter…One of those young,college student “cultist” following Senator Obama. I can only speak to why I support him, but I think my thoughts will ultimately represent how many of Obama supporters feel.
I know from the outside looking in, the Obama movement must seem odd. I have meant plenty of Obama supporters who are very creepy. BUT! By in large, Obama supporters are level-headed and intelligent people. Yes, I support Obama because he has a message that is hopeful and inspiring. But that is the only reason why I support him.
I happen to like that fact that Obama was against the war from the beginning. It’s my generation that’s out there fighting. Why shouldn’t we flock to the only candidate who speaks to us?
I also like that fact that Obama doesn’t want to mandate health care. The problem is that people can’t afford coverage or are denied because of a preexisting condition. In an ideal world I would support a single payer system. But, that’s not going to happen unless of course democrats win both the house and senate in HUGE numbers. Moreover, I just don’t think that Republicans will work with Clinton on health care. They won’t agree to a mandate. Congress would be in a standstill. Right or Wrong…I really just think that’s a reality.
Also, and perhaps in my eyes most importantly. I believe in the Constitution of the United States. I want a President that respects that document. I have lived through the Bush years…watching as my parents and grandparents generations turn a blind eye to the stripping-away of American civil liberties. When this race first started I though Obama and Hillary were on an equal playing field in regards to protecting civil liberties. I did a little research though…Clinton supported having a law banning flag burning. I cannot vote a person who doesn’t understand that burning the American flag is a right given to Americans under the First Amendment.
What’s more…I harbor a lot of bitterness about the Clinton years. Yeah, Billary wasn’t too bad. They did some good…but they are ultimately centrists. Ironic, I know. Republicans hate the Clintons so much but in reality they are really just like Joe Lieberman. For one thing, I HATE what Bill Clinton did to Welfare. I am a social work major. I have devoted my life to to improving this country on a grassroots level. I see the policy constraints the welfare reform have done. Indeed, welfare wasn’t perfect before the 90s. There were tons of problems, but now those in poverty are really in a crunch. And welfare reform has not only cut funding, but it has also cut jobs. Social workers have such high caseloads now that it’s practically impossible to see real change. I have NEVER hear Hillary or Bill admit any regrets regarding welfare reform. Senator Obama gets what it like working in the field as a community organizer. He knows what communities need and have a realistic plan to improve the lives of not only the middle class but also the poor. Edwards had a plan too…But Clinton? No way.
I am getting really tired of bloggers and the media claiming that the youth backing Senator Obama is voting just because of a feeling. Yeah, that’s part of it. But not all. Obama supporters know more about the issues than Clinton supports…just look at the exit polls. We are educated, engaged, and trying to change this nation which I have to say is a HELL OF A LOT more than what my parents generation have done(for reference my parents were born in ’58 and ’59).
One more thing…I promise. There is no way we can change the policies in Washington if people are involved. Hillary doesn’t want people involved. She, like many other politicians, don’t necessarily see anything wrong with the system that we have now. But you know what? Democracy will only work if people are engaged. Barack Obama gets people involved. Yeah, he recruits some crazy folks, but I would much rather have someone chanting “Yes We Can” than buying US Weekly to read the newest rumor about Britney Spears.
Speaking of Britney Spears…You know what’s really crazy. The news networks in this country. Yeah that’s right… It isn’t the the Obama supports…it’s CNN, MSNBC, ABC, and CBS. I would mention FOX but really can they even be considered a news network? I think not. Here’s my message to the news media…you better start doing your job. Investigate and tell the truth about really issues…not Britney Spears or Paris Hilton. Moreover, if you want the candidate to answer real policy questions MAKE THEM! You have the power to ask those questions so USE IT!
Posted by: lennon20 | February 7, 2008, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm
I would have to agree that this is likely an issue for Obama during the primaries, given all the unforeseen support Barack Obama is getting, but also I am happy that it is being discussed at this early point.
You see, I agree that some of the people involved with Obama’s campaign ARE a little bit too excited about all of this. But hey, if you look at the demographics of his supporters, these ‘overexcited’ guys are mostly YOUNG people, and given that, why would you NOT expect that to happen? Wait, that’s because you haven’t seen many young people getting involved in politics lately…
Having said that, I do think that Obama needs to address this issue. The ‘empty suit’ rhetoric is getting a little bit out of hand lately, and into pretty desperate tones such as this post against the “cult” – movement, anyone? – around Obama that is fast going out of control from the MSM perspective. And the resulting nonsense – read backlash – from the media must be placated right now if it is not to make any difference in the general election…
Posted by: Nuno Vicente | February 7, 2008, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm
Are you afraid, or just illiterate? I suppose you would condemn the speeches of Winston Churchill, Franklin D. Roosevelt, and other great politicians and past LEADERS of the free world who have reached out to inspire us to find the best within ourselves in difficult times.
Posted by: Catherine | February 7, 2008, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm
People want change, not another four years of the Bush-Clinton dynasty. People like feeling optimistic about the nation. The entrenched powers want nothing to change, so try to marginalize those who are enthusiastic about Obama. They need to come up with some way to smear him to explain the Super Delegates breaking for Hillary 2-1…
Posted by: Wally Laing | February 7, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
Some of you Hilary supporters are crazy.
“Cult”?… no, its a “buzz”: a feeling of intense enthusiasm (for Obama).
Posted by: RDS | February 7, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
I’d rather sign on to the cult of a politician who bravely spoke out against a war which has directly caused 3,000+ senseless American deaths, than the cult of a politician who refuses to say her vote to authorize a war which caused 3,000+ senseless American deaths was a “mistake,” and who subsequently voted to give George W. Bush a green-light to prep for a senseless invasion of Iran. Hillary’s “pragmatic” approach has resulted in senseless death and financial peril for our country. Excuse me if I’m more interested in hope.
Posted by: kathroberts | February 7, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
I warned people about the cult months ago on here, now finally the news media is picking up on it too. People, it’s not too late, you can get out, just repeat, like Dorothy did when she came back from the Land Of OZ: there’s no place like home, NOBAMA NOWAY!
Posted by: okdokethen | February 7, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm
These Obama flakes (hey, new cereal?) give me the creeps. And they remind me of that CBS reality show “Kid Nation,” where the kidz loved to scream, “Yeah! We can show those grown ups we can do it TOO!”
Posted by: horatio | February 7, 2008, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm
To Jim: I remember the ’04 convention and yes I’ll agree to some extent that Obama was chosen then, however the fact he is running against HRC is change enough for me. Personally, I can’t stand the thought of this dynasty living on (bush/clinton/bush)… remember Gore in 2000 distanced himself so far from Bill b/c no one liked Bill at all back then. And Bush won the White House b/c he represented change and decency in 2000. Obama has the best shot to inject youth, optimism and hope into this country even if he is not so far removed for the Clinton’s and their policies.
Posted by: jay | February 7, 2008, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm
For all of you intoxicated by Obama, wait til the hangover we will all have if this con man gets elected. I’ll be looking for you idiots. He’s a good speaker I’ll admit but all con men are.
Posted by: NO CHANGE | February 7, 2008, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm
If this guy becomes the president of the US it will be the DARKEST day in this country’s history. LITERALLY!!!! How soon after election until a bill is introduced to rename the “white” house to the “peoples” house because its not politically correct.
Posted by: casper | February 7, 2008, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
Normally I don’t comment but I think this piece is a little much.
Lots of politicians’ supporters go over the top with love and adoration. I was at the Republican National Convention in 2004 and perfectly respectable adults were running around chanting flipflop with flip flops on their hands.
Our country has been divided and after the 2000 elections the Democrats were demoralized. Any decent politician can have good policy ideas but few offer the type of inspiration and hope needed when times are rough. Such people are few and far between.
Some of you sound suspicious rather than inspired and that’s fine. But I call foul when you equate this type of over-the-top political enthusiasm with cultism. I think the sports and celebrity obsession is a better, fairer analogy. I also have had the unfortunate experience of meeting real cult leaders and their followers. In my view, that is not what this is. People are tired of being angry and want to like someone. They want someone who at least comes off as not divisive. Few of the other candidates have that going for them unfortunately. Moreover if people are having a moving experience, please tell me how that is wrong. (Also, it can be inferred from the way this is written that you view Christianity as a cult. And the people who originally believed Christ to be the messiah were religious fanatics? I am sure the Romans thought so. Just saying…)
Lastly, can everyone tone down the debate, please? The Web seems to bring out the worst in people. We can disagree without demonizing the other side.
Posted by: loudtalker | February 7, 2008, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm
Why is Obama worship any different from the irrational deference to Bill Clinton’s obnoxious behavior? The flat-earther Clinton apologists are probably still sculpting the outlines of the vast right-wing conspiracy within the dark recesses of their closed minds. Politics is the Founders best plea bargain for the natural tendency to people-worship. Freedom of Religion is for those who aspire to greater freedom.
Posted by: Jim 5 | February 7, 2008, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm
Perhaps you’re new to politics, but any successful campaign has it’s share of overzealous ‘cultish’ followers. Have we all forgotten the Deaniacs from 04? I don’t understand why so many feel the need to bash obama’s ability to inspire. Politics is all about pursuasion. If Obama can get persuade more people to get engaged and support his efforts we actually stand a chance of getting something…anything…done.
Posted by: Lewis | February 7, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm
I am a 41 year old female and a PHYSICIAN. I completely disagree that this is a cult. People are TIRED of NO results in Washington due to special interests. Obama does not take money from them. He is the only hope to get solutions. HRC is a corporate Bush hack and is READY to start running for reelection on DAY 1. This is an ANTI Hillary anti Bill, anti Norman HSu, Marc Rich pardons, Hillary’s brothers’ friends pardons, monica gate, no morals, lying all the time vote.
Obama 08
Posted by: ERizin | February 7, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm
Obama’s rhetoric is about addressing a need in American society today. It is not messianic. It is American. Too many of us have lost sight of the fact that we can make a difference in our community and our world. Our problem is not that we don’t have good plans. It is that we are not paying attention. Obama has simply envisioned a world in which we have not gotten to yet. Obama’s supporters can’t always put it into words yet, but they feel it and will work for that dream.
Posted by: matt | February 7, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm
Obama thinks so highly of himself that he probably will think the vice-presidency is beneath him. He referred to himself as “God”…this guy is going to crash and burn when the republicans get ahold of him.
Posted by: Bookem Dano | February 7, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm
this cardboard cutout full of hot air, is a mouthpiece for who knows what, and we don’t have time to find out who is behind him. But the luster is wearing off thank god, and he will fold soon. He can’t keep making the same speech over and over again.
Posted by: okdokethen | February 7, 2008, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm
I just got as far as the second post here. I’d like to remind people that Harvard Law Review (and law schools) in Obama’s time are just a bit different than in Hillary’s. Back in the 70′s, we used to sneer at affirmative action students. Now its an automatic thing at Harvard- it’s not even spelled out anymore. And of course people don’t think about it anymore, but its there.
Posted by: leo | February 7, 2008, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm
Joe Klein’s frustration at the inability of his former bosses the Clintons to coronate Hillary has been showing of late. On TV he has virtually been boiling over and referring to Obama’s “lack of substance”.
Can either Joe Klein or other Obama bashers point to ONE area of policy where the Clintons have a proposal and Obama does not. The myth about “lofty words with no substance” is just that – a myth. Take a look at Obama’s web site and at all the extremely detailed and concrete policy proposals out there and let Joe Klein tell you where Obama has been lacking.
Since when did inspiration become a handicap? The Clintons and Joe Klein (the first to put Obama on Time cover as “our next president”?) actually never saw Obama coming. They will just have to deal with it. Meantime, chill it, Joe.
Posted by: DCH | February 7, 2008, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm
HAHA oh wait you are serious??
Obama’s rhetoric is about addressing a need in American society today. It is not messianic. It is American. Too many of us have lost sight of the fact that we can make a difference in our community and our world. Our problem is not that we don’t have good plans. It is that we are not paying attention. *****Obama has simply envisioned a world in which we have not gotten to yet. *****
Obama’s supporters can’t always put it into words yet, but they feel it and will work for that dream.
Posted by: Bookem Dano | February 7, 2008, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm
Anyone that promises “Change” is a liar,
when was the last time that any Presidents promises came true, unless it was a promise of not enforcing the borders or immigrations or the promises of more hand outs to those who choose not to work or are paid to not work. The only change that will come from this is the missing change from our pockets while the economy slides further down to pay for the handouts and unenforced border policies.
Posted by: DavidB | February 7, 2008, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm
Cher on Politics
Cher has kept abreast of the political situation and has even picked a candidate.
“For me it’s a no-brainer. It’s Hillary [Clinton],” said Cher.
It’s a departure from many of her Hollywood counterparts, who have backed Barack Obama.
“I am sure he’s a wonderful person,” she said. “But I had dinner once with someone in the White House. The first time he was in the White House, the first night of his presidency, and this man was a saint, and all he talked about was what he wanted to do for this country … and because of his inexperience they cut him off at the knees,” Cher said of former President Jimmy Carter.
I never have that much respect for Cher, except for her music, but this time she just take the words out of my mouth.
Posted by: asianmalesmoker | February 7, 2008, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm
“Leaders don’t force people to follow; they invite them on a journey.” -Charles S. Lauer
George Bush has been President for 7 years and hasn’t invited anyone on a journey. He has demanded tremendous sacrifices of our armed forces and their families. He has demanded that citizens give up essential rights of privacy. He has demanded that we mortgage the future through enormous national debt while failing to provide healthcare or minimum wage increases for those whose children will pay that debt. He has attacked and marginalized opposition. The only people he has enthused are those who enjoy tax cuts on the rich and apocalyptic world conflict.
Enthusiasm has as its roots En-theos, meaning inspired by God. It’s about time people got enthusiastic about something righteous.
Posted by: KH | February 7, 2008, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm
Oh thank god (no pun intended), I’ve been saying this for the past few weeks and was beginning to think I was the only one who thought that. It is eery and odd the way some people are tripping over themselves to follow this guy who, the more he talks, you see he says less and less. What word other than “cult” can you use to describe people willing to blindly follow one man who is unable to support his claims with no reason, logic, evidence or plans.
Posted by: Mark | February 7, 2008, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm
When, exactly, have political elections not been about demagoguery and fervor? When does the public, en masse, make an informed decision? When have political leaders spoken absolute truth? And what, pray tell, is absolute truth anyway? It seems to me that a lot of the confusion below results from some need to answer these questions clearly, when in fact they are not answerable at all, never have been, never will be. Just point me to one case, and I’ll go look at it, but I’m utterly confused by some of the commentary here that claims that, in some strange way, this is any sense different from what always goes on in the political realm. Politics is made of rhetoric, it’s made of what Plato called the “art of lies and deceit.” And if you want to be a strict Platonist, believing in ideal forms and all that spinning in the heavens, then I guess that these comments which claim Obama as a some sort of cult of personality make sense. But if you think that we live in an imperfect world penetrated and filled with hopeless ideals toward which we strive and at which we never arrive (i.e. pragmatic idealism, which I continue to insist is the case with Obama’s speeches), then this makes a little more sense.
Take Obama’s very clear differentiation of himself from Hillary on the issue of health care, the one issue, I guess, that shows some kind of small policy difference between the two. Hillary’s includes mandates, i.e. she will make you buy it or she will penalize you, and Obama’s plan does not include mandates, i.e. he provides a clear path to affordable health care but, at the end of the day, if you don’t want it, fine. How does Hillary expect to get mandated health care through the Senate? McConnell and the Republicans are going to filibuster her bill right into the potty, and unless we get 60 democrats in the senate to pass cloture, which I think is totally out of the picture, then Hillary’s bill actually has to be seen as the unrealistic one. Also, for those who claim that Hillary would be a better leader (and for those who claim we Obama supporters do not understand civics), I direct you to this. Her campaign promises are full of just as much empty rhetoric as Obama’s because of the system of checks and balances, the system of cloture, and the system of filibusters. She has not the flare of his speech, and this is the great difference to me, electability. Hillary is hated, hated by so many people in this country, and though I have no doubt that conservatives hate Obama too, which is their choice and fine, he does have the ability to appeal rhetorically. Don’t discount the power of words; words move the world; build empires; heal the sick; move men to murder; spur humans to redemption; words are the one tie that binds; the most powerful weapon there is.
Posted by: jh | February 7, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
It’s not a cult, but a popular movement. Long before Obama decided to run for president, I was waiting for someone to come along that wouldn’t demonize the other party. He will no doubt draw sharp contrasts to McCain once the nominations are over with, but he will not try to say the Republicans are evil. He believes, like I do, that it’s about time for the people in Washington to do their jobs for us and not for their party.
It appears that there are a lot more people just like me out there. People who are tired of filibusters, partisan bickering, and the like. The only things that have been accomplished in the last several years have very little bearing on real people, because in order for anything to pass it has to be stripped of it’s usefulness.
If Obama has even a chance to change that pattern, he gets my vote. Because everyone else seems to want to continue on the same old path.
Posted by: Matthew Fischer | February 7, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
As a evangelical and an Obama Supporter I find the tenor and characterization of this article extremely offensive, I also question your impartiality. I do find it interesting that when Sen. Obama was 20 – 40 points behind the media blogs were amazed at the fervor his campaign generated but now that it appears he may even win fervor has now changed to some kind of messianic movement. Maybe some are becoming uncomfortable at the reality that an African American might become President. Now that is something to ponder!
Posted by: James Elder | February 7, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
And no one reading this thinks there is a problem? Look how the Obama supporters have blathered on and on like they might kill for him?
Posted by: Tracye | February 7, 2008, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm
Every one of Obama’s ideas involves taking my property and giving it to someone else. That’s not AMERICAN.
Posted by: NO CHANGE | February 7, 2008, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm
Don’t kid yourselves. The second this guy is nominated by the Democratic Party, the media will stop perpetuating the “cult of Obama”, and will start portraying him as a cross between Che Guevara and Neville Chamberalin.
And they’ll ask, “Who would your rather have lead the country, an experienced, former military man, or an inexperienced, liberal, pacifist.”
Given that choice, who’s the American public going to elect?
We’re all getting played by the pro-war media.
Posted by: Patrick | February 7, 2008, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
I believe experiences and I don’t believe empty words. So far, what Obama has is empty words. Bush used the word “unite” to get himself “elected”. Now Obama is repeating what Bush did before and uses “changes” to try to get himself elected.
Posted by: Orlando | February 7, 2008, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
Lennon20, You have slipped into the unseen blackhole that all leftward leaning people trip on–SOMEONE is going to SAVE us. If you invest all that POWER in that SOMEONE, They will take it to D.C. and use it and consolidate it, and we the people will be less powerful. :You parents and grandparents did not blind themselves to what has happened, they viewed the situation from their life experience, give them that little bit of respect! And then ask yourself–how can anyone person–or group–SAVE the world–We (born in43)couldn’t even though we defeated Nazism, cause then we had coommunism, now we have China, Muslims, and Giant Corps. so don’t send the power to D.C. Keep, and then Work Hard, like you parents and grandparents did, because that will teach your kids to work hard
Posted by: From the Past | February 7, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
Thanks, finally someone saying what I have been thinking. Obama seems like a nice enough guy, but I have really not heard anything from him but “inspiration”, and exactly what are we to do with that. Great speaker but not any substance. Change, change, change, ok I get it! But what are we changing?
Posted by: Maureen | February 7, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
it’s a cult, I’m glad I called it out on here two months ago, and I’m glad it’s getting media attention now.
Posted by: okdokethen | February 7, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
Finally. As teachers, we know how easy it is to manipulate kids/young people; because of that, we have not liked Obama from the beginning. It was no accident that he targeted them. In that regard, he knew what he was doing.
Posted by: irma | February 7, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
A large majority of Obama’s support is from anti-war liberals. Take away his anti-war stance and you have an empty suit. He has zero experience in leadership. Zero proof that he can handle the responsibility of this position and what it calls for.
The fact he never served in the military and is so strongly anti-war is going to be turned against him in the sense that republicans will portray him as anti-military.
None of his plans to “unite America” will come even close. You think a multi-billion dollar universal health care bill will unite America, it will drive it apart like it did in 1994. You think pulling the troops out right off the bat and giving victory to terrorists and Iraqis over us is going to unite America? You think more money down the rabbit hole to education, medicaid and medicare, welfare, and other entitlements is going to unite the country?
People are crazy because it is the cool thing to do, to support obama. He is young, gives good speeches and is anti-war….he is Kennedy without the leadership, experience and know how of the position.
Posted by: rockslide | February 7, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm
As a college student I am so relieved to see this article. Finally! A second look at a man who seems to walk on water.
This is politics, everyone is supposed to be scrutinized. Obama has zero foreign policy experience…he has barely been out of the country (2 days in London). And he says “hope” more than “policy” and that doesn’t get us very far. Why aren’t we talking about this? Because the media is in love with the pop culturesque, star studded, campaign of “CHANGE”.
Atleast with Hillary we get some substance. I am glad that the youth vote is finally coming out, but we need to use our heads before we jump on the trendy bandwagon. The ability to make good policy happen is the primary concern here.
Posted by: Helena | February 7, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm
Did ABC news just insult me? I am a married, 35 year old disabled Iraqi Freedom veteran (3 deployments) who served 14 and a half years, has 3 daughters, and goes to church weekly. I am white, live currently in AZ (last assignment), and have supported Senator Obama for 6 months. His positions reflect my values. His sponsorship of major legislation is the number one reason I have supported him with my wallet and my primary vote. Please do not refer to my support in such a disrepectful way.
Posted by: Keith Jacobsen | February 7, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm
I don’t understand the indignation that some of you have in regards to Obama supporters defending their candidate. I can’t say I am an avowed Obama supporter (frankly none of the candidates have really shown me anything yet) I can definitely see the appeal of his candidacy and the hope he seems to inspire in his supporters. The attacks seem to be coming from both the right AND the left. The attacks from the right kind of make laugh. I’m suprised that any of the conservatives out there were able to take the time from savagely attacking their war-hero nominee to be to write on this board about Obama. The attacks from Hillary supporters make me laugh out loud because Miss Rodham is a complete and utter fraud. She goes on and on and on about how she not only wants change but she can MAKE change, how she’s done it before and yadda yadda yadda. During her husband’s presidency she was in charge of reforming health care for 8 years and what change did she “make”? Oh none, things just got worse. (I guess that IS change when you think about it). What has she done as a Senator??? What significant pieces of legislation has be introduces that has heled the middle class at all??? I say it is the Hillary supporters that are drinking the Kool Aid. In one debate she said that she was responsible for getting health insurance for 6,000 children in New Hampshire alone, that is an out and out BOLD FACED lie. Low-cost health insurance was provided to those children as part of the Tobacco Settlement. At the time the deal was negotiated Hil-Hil was out promoting her book “It Takes A Village…” The Clintons are so incredibly a-moralistic it’s simply astonishing. Bill was swept into office by organized labor (unfortunately alot of unions have DEFINITELY had some of the Kool Aid) and how did the Clintons thank them? By signing the NAFTA deal and sending hundreds of thousands of good paying jobs to Mexico, that’s how. Someone wrote in an earlier post that Obama supporters are naive and don’t know how the leigslative process works because Obama can’t just MAKE change, which is of course correct. However Obama’s message seems to be resonating quite well with Republicans and Independents. I would say Hillary supporters are naive almost to the point of stupidity if they think she will be able to get ANY cooperation from Republicans in Congress, it’s just not going to happen. Cooperation with Hillary would be political suicide for any Republican. The conservative base would drum any Republican out of office for even THINKING about working with Hillary—who they despise with an almost religious, CULT LIKE fervor.
Posted by: MAS | February 7, 2008, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm
Just as one of the media pundits said about Obama…the media has taken a hands off approach toward Obama and let’s him spew his garbage without being critical of him. Yet they are all over Hillary about anything. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want either of them in office. First thing they will destroy is our military (Hillary and Bill are good at that) and the next our very lives as we know it by taxation. The Democratic Party should be called the Socialist Party because that is exactly what they are. Having spent 23 years in the military, I have seen socialism and it’s destructive forces at work. If you want a COMPLETE sell out to the Chinese and Hugo Chavez then vote for the Dems and get what you deserve. Obama talks a good game but he has absolutely no substance. Washington will devour him and he will simply be another Jimmy Carter(the worst of the worst slime ball) He like Jesse Jackson and their ilk play on peoples weaknesses of poverty, uneducated, and are struggling to survive. But when it comes time to deliver, they take the money and run. They all have pretty poshe lives No doubt this country has problems, but neither Hillary nor Obama are the answer as many would like to believe. I’m not in love with John McCain but I believe he will defend the Constitution above all else. Don’t listen to all the PHONEY RHETORIC. Make an intelligent decision that you can live with for the next 4-8 years.
Posted by: Tom Adams | February 7, 2008, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
We obama supporters as he said will “remake the world”, an american president with a muslim name,a minority and the most liberal record in the U S Congress cannot help but show the love to the islamic world and they cannot hate us,,,,,,,,Gott MItt uns
Posted by: r chisolm | February 7, 2008, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
“Every one of Obama’s ideas involves taking my property and giving it to someone else. That’s not AMERICAN.”
oh really? I wonder what the Native Americans would say about that…
Posted by: phillygirl64 | February 7, 2008, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
Joe Klein works for Time Magazine but moonlights for the Clinton campaign after hours. Joe – stop parading yourself as an objective observer, because you are not
Posted by: Mark | February 7, 2008, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
Do you guys realize how desperate you sound trying to convince people he is “too popular” so we shouldn’t vote for him? I kind of feel sorry for the Hillary and Mitt supporters. I know it must be hard to have your hopes crushed and you want to bring others down now, but sometimes you just have to suck it up and move on. There is still a guy you can vote for who has been consistently right on the Iraq war since day 1.
Posted by: Dan | February 7, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
“As a college student I am so relieved to see this article. Finally! A second look at a man who seems to walk on water.
This is politics, everyone is supposed to be scrutinized. Obama has zero foreign policy experience…he has barely been out of the country (2 days in London). And he says “hope” more than “policy” and that doesn’t get us very far. Why aren’t we talking about this? Because the media is in love with the pop culturesque, star studded, campaign of “CHANGE”.
Atleast with Hillary we get some substance. I am glad that the youth vote is finally coming out, but we need to use our heads before we jump on the trendy bandwagon. The ability to make good policy happen is the primary concern here.” thank you Helena!
Posted by: okdokethen | February 7, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
If Obama is selected, McCain will win the hispanic vote and the white vote, whats left for Obama? Not one state, will he win.
Posted by: Charles | February 7, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
Obama supporters are so touchy and “true believer” that they will strike out against other Dems. NO WE ARE NOT CONCERNED HE IS TOO POPULAR WE ARE CONCERNED HE AND HIS SUPPORTERS LOOK LIKE FANATICS AND THE REPUBLICANS WILL LITERALLY WIPE THE FLOOR WITH HIS “IDEALISM” AND “CHANGE”
Posted by: Bookem Dano | February 7, 2008, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm
Helena, as a college student you should know that London for two days is not the extent of Obama’s international travel experience. Where you are getting your facts from is quite puzzling. But what I am interested in is what “Substance” does Hillary bring to the table? Does the fact that she was married to the president and lived in the White House for 8 years qualify her to be commander in chief? If that is the case I am sure there are live in servants at the White House that have been there longer than that. Perhaps we should elect one of the White House cooks to be our President. Or is the SUBSTANCE that Hillary brings stem from that fact that she was a member of one of the most inept Senates in our nation’s history? Does it come from the fact that she voted for us to go to war with Iraq but didn’t really understand that she was voting for us to go to war?
Posted by: MAS | February 7, 2008, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm
Why does every Obama supporter in here write an over-wrought diatribe that’s about a half a page long, with no paragraph breaks?
Posted by: Patrick | February 7, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
“We Are the Ones We Have Been Waiting For: Light in a Time of Darkness” is also a collection of essays by Alice Walker.
Posted by: Tom J | February 7, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
LH says that Obama wrote approximately 890 bills plus either introduced or co-sponsored something more then a 1,000 bills. Now maybe I’ve misunderstood something but just focusing on the 890 figue that’s about 300 bills a year and I don’t think congress is even in session 300 days a year. Even if this is true then it becomes a quality control issue; i.e. that many bills – assuming they were written by Obama and his staff – can’t reasonably have met a standard of rigor that would be needed to serve the best interests of Americans in the event they were passed. Either LH has got his numbers wrong or congress is getting sandbagged. And if its all right and they passed are we just sinking in the mire of massive regulatory assault. I don’t really see this as a measure of what Obama has done.
Posted by: Rocky Mountain | February 7, 2008, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm
because they are the desperate cult followers, who’s star has lost his luster.
Posted by: okdokethen | February 7, 2008, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm
I am SHOCKED that ABC NEWS had the guts to say in print. Kudos to them! For some reason people seem entranced and mesmorized by this man as their “savior”. I hope people are being “watchful” as to not be taken in.
Posted by: Mandy@thestitchedimage.com | February 7, 2008, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm
As a patriotic american; Hillary pisses me off and Barak Hussien Obama scares the crap out of me.
Posted by: NO CHANGE | February 7, 2008, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm
I was creeped out the moment Oprah Winfrey said, “I do believe he is the one!”
Listening to Barack Obama speak and watching his audience with their glazed eyes, and bobbing heads, whenever he preaches in that evangelical tone, makes me wonder about people’s sanity. What has Obama accomplished, other than running against no one for a Senate seat? You don’t have a clue about him; yet you’re ready to sell your soul, send your money, and praise salvation! Just like evangelicals.
Get a grip people. We need a leader who will lead a government that works for the people of this country. If you want a savior, go to church.
Posted by: Brighid | February 7, 2008, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
Dear spock.
How can you say he has not taken a stand on any issues? He passed ethics reform in the Ill. seante and in the US senate (HRC voted against his law). He does not take money from special interests, has passed health reform i Ill as well as stood up on criminal laws to make the death penalty more fair. What else do you want?
HRC is a corporate Bush Hack. She triangulates for every postion and takes no definite stands. She voted for the war because she was running for the general election. She didn’t realize she has to win a primary first.
I do not want another 8 yrs of Bill, Hill,Norman Hsu, Lincoln bedrooms, Monica gate, Marc Rich pardons for donations, Saudi Arabia owning the presidency as well as Kazakhstan.
Obama 08
Posted by: ERizin | February 7, 2008, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm
I think this characterization of the Obama campaign is unfortunate. His story was about organizing in South Chicago — an event where no one but the organizers showed up, and they were all so demoralized they wanted to quit, including Obama. We’ve all been there. It’s sort of like historically low citizen interest in their government, because they’re convinced their voice can’t make any difference. So at this non-event in Chicago, Obama sees a couple of boys kicking around outside and says to his colleagues, ok, before quitting, just tell me what happens to them? It was a small spark, admittedly, but folks didn’t quit. That is hardly vague. It is real and it is human and it matters. I reject deriding such messages as “cultish.” It is a matter of the personal choices we make when we have the chance — to quit and let others shape our futures, or to reach out and believe that things can be different. Both Obamas have said that in our politics and culture there is a lack of empathy. We are a people divided and disconnected. We cannot feel the pain of ordinary Iraqi mothers and children, because they are not human to us. Empathy and openness are an approach that can transform the way people see themselves and their own potential. If Obama inspires one more young person like the boys he saw that day to dream of college, or running a business, or running for President, and then to make the hard choices to reach for that dream, it is an achievement that should be applauded, and not denigrated.
Posted by: DM | February 7, 2008, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm
Way to bring something of substance to the conversation Patrick!
Posted by: MAS | February 7, 2008, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm
I am guilty of swooning over Obama myself. I’m surprised by myself too.. by my audacity of hope. I have been made cynical by politics and politicians. It is a sad commentary on the way things are that I am so enthralled by a good man. But goodness and moral courage is all too rare… maybe he can change that.
Posted by: Wendy | February 7, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm
Hilary voted for the war because she is a woman that had to look strong, she was planning to run for Pres. A woman has to play to the audience, we would be saying she is a dove if she had not voted as she did.
Posted by: Charles | February 7, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
Yesterday, Barack Hussein Obama arrogantly stated “I have no doubt that I can get the people who vote for Senator Clinton. … It’s not clear that Senator Clinton can get all the people I’m getting,” This is the most racist and sexist remark thus far in this campaign. In other words, if Clinton loses, the majority of her women supporters will vote for me but If I lose, my supporters black people and men will not vote for her. This is such a telling comment from the great “uniter.”
Or in response to this article,” the people from my cult will not vote for Hillary if she is the nominee but her supporters will definitely join my cult.” Wow you vote for a guy once in the primary and now he says if he is not elected as the nominee you should not vote in November.
Again,Barack Hussein Obama would not be afforded the privilege to run for the most important position in the land if it weren’t for the politics and imperfect government he wants to change.
He has a total lack of respect for the old and it shows in his supporters!!!
Posted by: mona | February 7, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
Hilary voted for the war because she is a woman that had to look strong, she was planning to run for Pres. A woman has to play to the audience, we would be saying she is a dove if she had not voted as she did.
Posted by: Charles | February 7, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
This article is Round #99 in the Politics of Fear.
There’s almost nothing left to try so why not compare a campaign that has inspired millions into politics a cult?
Classic Karl Rove/Mark Penn tactics.
If this wasn’t on Abcnews.com I would have thought it came straight from one of them.
Posted by: JW | February 7, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
As a middle class citizen, what I fondly remember most about the Clinton years is the economy was booming, the U.S. had a budget surplus, and I made the most money of my career – it’s been all down hill since the Bush era. I’m looking forward to a redux of the good times that Hillary will usher in!
Wake up cult followers! All cult leaders are eloquent speakers – David Koresh, Jim Jones, Charles Manson, etc.
Posted by: B. Hussein Obama | February 7, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm
GREAT ARTICLE!
Posted by: Beehive | February 7, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm
That’s dangerous and sick, and I don’t buy it. I like Obama and think he’ll make a great President, but he’s not like the second coming of the Messiah. People in some third-world countries worship their political leaders like they are God-like idols. This is the United States, and I just don’t see that type of following with the average Obama supporter. They’re just fervent people who believe that this aspiring political figure can bring positive changes to a nation that seriously needs to be steered in a new direction. Few people — the reporter of this story, myself, and a whole lot of others — can do that.
Posted by: eric | February 7, 2008, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
Many want specifics and policy outlined and defined long before a president even walks into the oval office for the first time. Well we’ve heard the empty promises before and been burned by their false convictions – “no new taxes” – “I did not have sexual relations with that woman” – “we are not in the business of nation building.” Hollow truths.
Obama has not changed his views. He has been consistent. He is realistic. He understands that specifics in campaign rhetoric are overused, over promised and rarely attainable. He realizes the challenges facing our country are icebergs – with the bulk of obstacles lying deep beneath public’s sight in a myriad of confusing and intricate details that is “government.” He believes solutions are possible but is honest about success requiring elements of patience, compromise and maybe even some mistakes.
He is a gifted leader. He makes the distinct realization (as Regan did) that a country first needs to believe in itself and its possibilities before it can achieve anything. He correctly understands that accomplishment is born from the center outwards, not from the bottom up. He speaks to unite, not divide. His social agenda is encompassing. His worldview is tolerant and compassionate, but not naive. He believes that only together can we find sustainable progress. He understands this is the people’s country, and though we have differences, he believes in our collective potential. He sees a new role for a leader in today’s divisive culture: a moderator, sanctioned to cultivate majority and compromise.
There is something spiritual about this approach. It is not literal, but represents something larger, something beyond us. We look back on our founding fathers as aspirational – why not look forward in the same way? It has been reported that people sometimes weep when he speaks. That is yearning – pure and simple; a reawakening to possibilities; a light in a dark place. To compare any person to an immortal figure is unwarranted. But, what’s wrong with characterizing him with inspirational, spiritual-like qualities. Speaking to our hearts and our minds; exciting us and daring us to dream of new horizons? It’s seems to be working. “Trust” seems to be a feeling we have not fully abandoned, but rather a stingy emotion we are more careful to distribute. To find so many willing to unlock their hearts and offer their trust in this man, over such a short period of time, is inspiring. To mock those who express such a joyful feeling in doing so is pitiful.
Posted by: BR | February 7, 2008, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
“..their star has lost it’s luster”
Is that why he is leading in delegates right now? Oh except for the Super Delegates that Hillary has….the ones she says have committed to her but she won’t name. I feel bad for Hillary. After New Hampshire she thought for sure that Super Tuesday would be her coronation, unfortunately the voters had other plans.
Posted by: MAS | February 7, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
Could’nt agree more!! These Obama followers scare me. He some what reminds me of Jim Jones, the only thing missing is the Kool-Aid. As for his so called policies, if he belives they are so right for the country then why do we never here him talk about them when he is out on the stump? All you here is the same speech over and over!! Find it funny how he doesn’t want to debate Hillary in Ohio!! Could it be that even himself is tired of the speech? Never the less also find it interesting how he doesn’t want the people of Michigan and Florida’s vote to count! Granted their lawmakers broke the rules, but does that make it right for them to be disinfranchised…of course not!!! We should keep in mind that if the rules stay the same and those votes don’t count the democrats can hang it up in November. We need both of those states to win to take back the White House
Posted by: mark | February 7, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
Well, as was written by someone before me, Republicans promote people to leadership, Democrats fall in love with theirs. Here we are.
This is just the story of the moment. Wait until Obama goes into the convention and meets all the superdelegates rounded up by the Gang of Two. He’s going to need all the love he can get.
Posted by: pashley | February 7, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
I think that if you were to talk to Hilary’s supporters, you find the same “cultish fervor” that you will find in any candidates’ camp.
Now that Obama has this “cult” let it be.
For you to say Hilary would be much better
dealing with Republicans is so untrue.
With Obama there is a possibility, that is not
at all with Hilary.
Posted by: don | February 7, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
Listening to anything Obama has to say about our future in America, is like listening to the girl relate her “Band Camp” experience from American Pie. It has no direction, it is vague and ambiguous, but it does exude buckets of tear jerking emotion and celebratory banner waving.
Obama supporters hate Hillary, Bush, McCain, Romney, Monday’s, color TV, small business success stories, underfunded social give away programs, logical arguments, facts, or anything else that does not promote their emotional argument of the moment. This hate runs so deep it reveals their self-loathing hate, and they become DLP projectors for the true color of racism. Now they have validated (in their on minds) their hate by wrapping themselves in the blanket of holier than though religiosity under a man made self-promoting false messiah.
I would even argue that these people are so racist and hate filled that they have become unjustly ashamed of their own skin tone, or anyone who visibly looks different then Obama. This would include women, Asians, Mexicans, Caucasians, Indians, etc.
This is one that will undoubtedly wink itself through many of the sheep’s minds who call themselves Americans, but it was Obama who played his card first in the poker came that has become the Democrat run for the White House, and that card called out his race. If we are to believe that we are all one people, and that race does not matter, why would this man who aspires to lead our country make an issue of it? Why does he constantly remind us that he is an African American man running for the office? Is this a “race for change” or “a change because of race”?
Personally I would love a shake up in the White House; Bush Sr. and Bill Clinton all but destroyed the gains made by President Reagan, and Bush Jr. nailed the coffin shut. What I don’t want is a change for the sake of change, because not all change is good. I would also love to see a return to a more sane and logical augment return to politics, and a turn away from the emotion of the moment politics that currently threatens life as we know it.
Posted by: Randy | February 7, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
Listening to anything Obama has to say about our future in America, is like listening to the girl relate her “Band Camp” experience from American Pie. It has no direction, it is vague and ambiguous, but it does exude buckets of tear jerking emotion and celebratory banner waving.
Obama supporters hate Hillary, Bush, McCain, Romney, Monday’s, color TV, small business success stories, underfunded social give away programs, logical arguments, facts, or anything else that does not promote their emotional argument of the moment. This hate runs so deep it reveals their self-loathing hate, and they become DLP projectors for the true color of racism. Now they have validated (in their on minds) their hate by wrapping themselves in the blanket of holier than though religiosity under a man made self-promoting false messiah.
I would even argue that these people are so racist and hate filled that they have become unjustly ashamed of their own skin tone, or anyone who visibly looks different then Obama. This would include women, Asians, Mexicans, Caucasians, Indians, etc.
This is one that will undoubtedly wink itself through many of the sheep’s minds who call themselves Americans, but it was Obama who played his card first in the poker came that has become the Democrat run for the White House, and that card called out his race. If we are to believe that we are all one people, and that race does not matter, why would this man who aspires to lead our country make an issue of it? Why does he constantly remind us that he is an African American man running for the office? Is this a “race for change” or “a change because of race”?
Personally I would love a shake up in the White House; Bush Sr. and Bill Clinton all but destroyed the gains made by President Reagan, and Bush Jr. nailed the coffin shut. What I don’t want is a change for the sake of change, because not all change is good. I would also love to see a return to a more sane and logical augment return to politics, and a turn away from the emotion of the moment politics that currently threatens life as we know it.
Posted by: Randy | February 7, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
Have you taken a look at the banner image on Obama’s website? He’s floating in the clouds, asking people to “believe”. Creepy.
Posted by: Bill Nienhuis | February 7, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
” was creeped out the moment Oprah Winfrey said, “I do believe he is the one!”
Listening to Barack Obama speak and watching his audience with their glazed eyes, and bobbing heads, whenever he preaches in that evangelical tone, makes me wonder about people’s sanity. What has Obama accomplished, other than running against no one for a Senate seat? You don’t have a clue about him; yet you’re ready to sell your soul, send your money, and praise salvation! Just like evangelicals.
Get a grip people. We need a leader who will lead a government that works for the people of this country. If you want a savior, go to church.”
Right on Brighid, that’s basically what I was going to say, and I couldn’t have said it better! Glazed eyes and bobbing heads! so true! Well, as David Letterman said, you been HYPOTIZED!
Posted by: okdokethen | February 7, 2008, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm
To the author !
If this is your opinion then it’s only fair if the media and ABC would share some reponsibilities. The media has been too easy on Senator Obama in specific detail plan. I don’t question his quality or cabability. But at the same time, I know nothing specific about him except for the message of hope and change. I want to know what he want to change, how he will do it, when, what needed ?
The media can do a good service for the country, if they can have 1-2 hour series one one one interview for both candidates to address specific issues our country facing such as: economy, war , poverty , trace deficit and working cross the parties line. And I don’t mean sound by. We need to hear the plan, the solution. It will be the chance for Senator Obama to earn my vote.
Posted by: asiansmoker | February 7, 2008, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm
ABC continues to try and out fox Fox with their sleazy pandering to the Right and their snide biased “coverage” of Obama and Clinton. If only they used some of their skepticism when the President lied us into War. But War does lead to good ratings and chances to enhance your career.
Posted by: George from Oregon | February 7, 2008, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm
Obama is not black or white he is gray. It will be a gray day for America if he wins.
Posted by: charles | February 7, 2008, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm
We Obama supporters are not blathering on like we would kill for him, we are simply making some points that this article does not, and thereby attempting to raise the level of political discourse in this country from the trough water in which it has been swirling for the last, oh, I don’t know, 29 years (as long as I’ve been alive).
I insist, insist, that words are not empty, that they are not something we simply toss around willy-nilly without care. In fact, words distinguish human beings from animals, as the great poet Charles Olson once said, “Language is our proudest act as a species, sound is a dimension Man has extended beyond his animal nature.” So, let’s take another of Obama’s empty slogans, which I read as an instance of Olson’s understanding of sound, since it was used in parallel phraseology during the New Hampshire concession speech: “Yes we can.” “Yes we can” what? all the pundits and cynics ask. There is no predicate to the sentence, so the immediate assumption is that the phrase is meaningless, empty rhetoric. But it is not if you just think a bit. If you just use your mind, the phrase is open. Yes you can what? Fill in the blank. Yes you can pay your own mortgage. Yes you can finish your dissertation (what I’m supposed to be doing right now). Yes you can pay your taxes proudly and know that it helps another less fortunate than you. Yes you can fix the sink your bathroom without spending money on a plumber. Yes you can open your own business and be successful. Yes you can go back to school and get a better job. Yes you can take responsibility for your own actions. Yes, we democrats and republicans can work it out. The phrase is not empty, but open to all possible meanings depending on the specific viewpoint of the listener. As I said earlier, politics is full of rhetoric – “the only thing we have to fear is fear itself” – what the heck is that supposed to mean? Be afraid of your fear? ok, so. But whether you like it or not, that statement mobilized a nation, and now we revere the statement.
Posted by: jh | February 7, 2008, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm
Bravo, this article and others are long overdue. I agree with Jake and some of the comments below, but I’d like to be specific with the Obama supporters in hopes of a specific reply.
On the issue of health care, HC and BO disagree over their plans, but supposedly not over the goal of universal coverage. Recently, the Obama campaign attacked HC’s plan using the familiar and fear-based [Bushian] tactic of a HARRY AND LOUISE ad, with the deceitful [and Clintonian] suggestion that his opponent wants to force attractive white people to spend money they don’t have.
1. Should Obama become the Democratic nominee, how will he achieve universal health coverage now that he has demonized mandates? [Mandates such as paying in to Social Security have worked out quite well, after all.]
2. How does Obama’s HARRY AND LOUISE ad represent anything but politics-as-usual? [...where the politics of personal destruction are more effective than informed debate and the resultant polarization turns "negoitators" like Hillary and McCain in to traitors.]
I support Hillary Clinton. Her experience, commitment and intellect from Yale to the California primary are a gigantic leap for our giant country and will energize the Democratic-female base for generations to come. I have never believed the slander and lies about her. I have too much respect for her to feel sorry for her treatment in the 90s. Instead I see it as having steeled her for a Clinton 2.0 presidency, one that’s more focused and committed to the sweaty work of bipartisan governance.
Barack Obama feels like he’s a member of my generation [I'm 33 and Anglo-American] and I am inspired by his candidacy. But I would prefer to see him govern Illinois or become the Attorney General first. He’s not ready to be President and and he’s far too great to be Vice President. Romney made an excellent point about executive experience in the GOP CA debate, which I immediately applied to Obama. Add one part Obama and one part successful governor/businessman and you would have a leader that deliver on hope and make meaningful progress.
Before someone responds with the Kennedy thing, let’s be clear: JFK delivered hope, but LBJ delivered the Civil Rights Act and fell on JFK’s Vietnam War sword, allowing us to remember him the way we do.
Posted by: Justin in LA | February 7, 2008, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm
mona… you make a good point. As a moderate Democrat, I’m going to have to sit this election out, if Obama is the Democratic nominee.
I just can’t sign onto this sinking ship.
Posted by: Patrick | February 7, 2008, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
This is EXACTLY what freaks me out about the Obama campaign: the evangelicalism of it all. I was raised Catholic in Tulsa, Oklahoma and the feverish enthusiasm I see in this campaign reminds me of the blind evangelical devotion that permeates much of the south and south-east. Obama supporters need to step back and find some perspective. He isn’t a Christ-figure, he isn’t magic. He’s just one dude who wants to be president. And, if he is so fortunate to be able to succeed in reaching that position, he’s going to have a whole bunch of gritty, brutal, non-inspiring work waiting for him. So, seriously Obama-maniacs, chill.
Posted by: Tracy | February 7, 2008, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
The most effective way to break this cult is to donate money to the Hillary campaign, now! please!
Posted by: Joe | February 7, 2008, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
So Charles you are saying that Hillary played politics with the lives of the young men and women in our military so she didn’t look like a “dove” in an election year? Will she send us into needless wars as president so she looks strong to the electorate?
Posted by: MAS | February 7, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
Can Obama supporters for one second step back into reality and ask the question “what governmental experince does this guy have?”. The only thing I see that Obama is good at is public speaking. Democrats-for once use your brains and look at who you are voting for! Don’t vote for a candidate based on race or gender! Vote for a candidate based on their experience in government. And for gosh sakes, look at what they have voted for during their tenure in Congress. I really question a person’s judgement if they are considering Hillary or Obama. Sure you are excited about a candidate. What are you excited about? I’d love to know. Because the only thing I see Obama is able to stand for is change! What change?This country will be remiss if it votes for either of these candidates. If they get into office, they will be absolutely clueless on matters of government and balancing budgets. For a second just think about if you are voting for Hillary. Would you think it absurd if the Greenbay Packers put Brett Favre’s wife in at quarterback because she has “heard” about the game and might now what a slant route is?
Posted by: astonished | February 7, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
Are you saying that a candidate cannot appeal to the better side of disillusioned voters who wish to be proud Americans again and who believe that Obama offers hope?
Shame on you ABC for trying to drag Obama’s young followers into your cynical world. We should be celebrating the fact that young Americans are feeling that their voice might matter in American politics.
Posted by: eejjennings | February 7, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
Let’s not forget the Clintons have been around for a long time. There name recognition alone gives them votes. Obama has to get his name out and he’s doing a great job getting young people involved.
Well there goes another 50$ to changing America.
Posted by: Rob | February 7, 2008, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm
Just like all politicians, she was looking out for #1. Obama took Rezco money did he?
Posted by: Charles | February 7, 2008, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm
His speeches ARE becomming increasing messiah-like, and people are attuning to him and not to him message — which is bascially socialism, the state supports all by taking the wealth of those who produce. This is the opposite of America’s founding principles. History shows this sham only works for a nation until the producers no longer have the capital to produce. Then, usually, the nation attacks it neighbors to acquire their wealth. Unable to do that, like the Soviet Union, the nation implodes.
Posted by: Jim | February 7, 2008, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm
Hey Mona–
The comment that Barack Obama made was referencing the fact that a great deal of his support comes from independent voters. Hillary Clinton will not be able to get those independent voters because they don’t like her. She is too polarizing. Clearly, I am a supporter of Barack Obama, however regarding this issue I sympathize with Hillary Clinton. I don’t always understand why Independents and Republicans hate her so much. She is straight out of the centrist wing of the Democratic Party.
Anyway, I just wanted to clarify what Barack Obama was referring to…and make no mistake he is right. There’s no way she can fight for the independents if McCain is the Republican candidate.
Posted by: lennon20 | February 7, 2008, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
While I agree that some Obama supporters can be a little out of hand. And they don’t always do a good job in describing their candidate’s stands on various issues but to say that Obama is a lightweight would be an inaccurate description his foreign policy stands are more progressive than Hillary Clinton’s. He also proposes a program to close the digital divide. Many of his approaches to poverty have a better understanding how poor urban communities are impacted by it. His economic stimulus package was praised for its seriousness and simplicity. When I hear people say that they don’t know what he stands for. I have a hard time taking them seriously because they can go to his website and check his policy stands.
Posted by: MGJ | February 7, 2008, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
What I fondly remember about the Clinton years is him being in the right place at the right time when the dotcom boom erupted and we had a republican congress for his last 6 years to keep him from taxing us to death.
Posted by: KEEP THE CHANGE | February 7, 2008, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm
The problem with America is the Americans. We have become so combative, suspicious, cynical, and self righteous. The real change in America needs to come an attitude adjustment in the populous. There are only two candidates, Obama and Ron Paul, who actually inspire a large number of people to get off their couch and get involved in something. The ‘right’ policies and ‘effective’ governance aren’t going to save America. We are going to save America, by demanding honesty and integrity from our Leader.
Posted by: jed | February 7, 2008, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm
Have you taken a look at the banner image on Obama’s website? He’s floating in the clouds, asking people to “believe”. Creepy.
Posted by: Bill Nienhuis | Feb 7, 2008 2:41:55 PM
Are you serious? That is hilarious!!! LOLOLOL
Posted by: JohnG | February 7, 2008, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm
people, as David Letterman once said, you’ve been HYPOTIZED! And yes it pertains to the cult, the brainwashed cult of Obama supporters who are trying to brainwash the rest of us. NO THANKS! NOBAMA 08
Posted by: okdokethen | February 7, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
I agree with this article’s point.
Reminds me of the time when all the sheeple lined up as blind followers to the Bush/Cheney cult after 9/11.
At least this new cult won’t lead us into multi-billion dollar debt on wars that were poorly initiated, managed, and left horrendously incomplete.
Let’s give Obama 8 years and see if he can do worse. I doubt it.
Posted by: ABC | February 7, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
you know folks, Adolph Aitler was a powerful communicator, had a command of his language, inspired millions by talking about change and was handed the highest position of authority in his country by the people he inspired. Now I am not saying Obama is Hitler or even comparing his policies, etc. However, to simply choose a candidate based on charisma, inspiration, dreams, hope and the like is no less stupid that electing an idiot mad-man like Adolph Hitler. People are easily manipulated and controlled. Study history and you’ll find plenty of “inspirational leaders” who lead their people into the abyss.
yes, we do need a president who can lead. Bush isn’t the best example for sure and he absolutely cannot speak. Slick Willy on the other hand was charismatic, bright, intellectual and a great speaker. However leading morally, with conviction in all areas of life, not just policy and taxes is something we must consider. Bill was a LOUSY leader when it comes to someone i want to have my kids look to as a role model. He was a great leader when it comes to the credit he received (unjustly in some cases)for the success of the economy etc. He got the credit because he was in office. The fact is that economic booms don’t occur overnight. they take YEARS. Look at where the DOW was when Carter left office. Look where it was when Clinton took over. There was something that happened during that time period too. 12 years of BOOM. Was it all their credit? Nope, a democratic congress and republican presidents. reverse that for the Clinton years.
Anyway, just don’t be naive in your considerations. How about we do some of our own research instead of just watching CNN.
Posted by: Joe Cook | February 7, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
Appropriately enough, the Gridiron Club of journalists in Washington in 2005 had a number in their annual satirical musical in which the “Democrat” chorus sang “Barack Obama, he’s our savior!” to the tune of “Bee-bop-’in Lula”, with Clarence Page as Obama dancing around the stage with a guitar. It was a huge hit with the VIP audience.
Posted by: William Craig | February 7, 2008, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm
what about the crying madonna? Anybody seen the fraud behind that?
Posted by: Justin | February 7, 2008, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm
I don’t doubt there might be some “cult”-like following of Obama but there are plenty of level-headed people supporting him as well. Obama’s support, as shown by opinion polls and exit polls, is pretty broad based – much more so than other “cult” figures in the past like Dean or Nader in the past.
Dont be fooled by a few over-passionate people.
Posted by: PSB | February 7, 2008, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm
Wil Moon – Get your facts straight buddy. Hillary has sponsored 352 and co-sponsored 1,713 bils as a Senator since 2001. Barack has sponsored 129 and co-sponsored 535 bills. Ted Kennedy for comparison sake, has only sponsored 335 since 1997 and co-sponsored 2,111. Your assertion that Barack has written 890 bills is as ludicrous as his campaign speeches. Why don’t we look at voting records? In 6 years, Hillary has missed 145 of 2396 votes (6%) since Jan. 23, 2001. In 2 years, Obama has missed 179 of 1088 votes (16%) since Jan 6, 2005. So while they sponsor and co-sponsor bills at the same rate, Barack clearly doesn’t have any interest in things that he is not a part of. Then you go back to his ‘present’ votes on decisive issues in the Illinois State Senate and you got a whole lotta nothin.
Posted by: Mark | February 7, 2008, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
Hillary, Obama, McCain… Throw a dart they are all pretty much the same.
Posted by: j | February 7, 2008, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
We are in an incredible era. Imagine a President who has never carried as much accountable responsibility as the person who owns a corner grocery store. People voting for people BECAUSE of their race or gender! Be careful what you wish for…
Posted by: Jack Frost | February 7, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm
So what should all these inspired people do? Join the cult of McCain?
LMAO!
Posted by: Wisdom | February 7, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm
Oh No! They found out about our big secret cult.
Posted by: DG343 | February 7, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm
The Irony of all of this is that the true messianic zeal comes in the form of the GOP’s unwavering worship of Ronal Reagan. Now that, to me, is a little freaky. At least the Obama Dems are captured by someone who is still alive.
Posted by: Max | February 7, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm
Quite a lot Obama supporters are upset because someone have doubt about him. I don’t question about his intention, but I have doubt about his ability to carry out the change he wanted. And please don’t try to compare him with JFK. For better or worse, the Kenedy elder (Joe Kenedy) had a big ambition. He trained all his kids to be ready for President eversince they were little. JFK was not the primary goal yet. The original selection was the oldest son (I forgot his name) was a war hero, died in battle. That is why JFK was the choice.
Posted by: asiansomker | February 7, 2008, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm
why not ask the same question as it relates to Brittany Spears?
And what is she doing to uplift America?
It appears she’s the one who has idol worshippers following her around….
Posted by: tony | February 7, 2008, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
“Oh No! They found out about our big secret cult.” it’s not secret, it’s blatantly obvious and costing you a lot of votes.
Posted by: okdokethen | February 7, 2008, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
Being a lifelong centrist democrat I will be voting for McCain if Obama wins the nomination. In fact everyone I’ve talked polictics with thats over 40 and a democrat says the same thing. Obama the uniter, laughable, look how he divided his own party. Giving the keys to the USA to an inexperienced man with no policies, just because he ‘inspires’ you, spells disaster.
Posted by: Gordon | February 7, 2008, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
Cult? Yes it seems like a cult folowing to me. I am sure 95% of his followers cannot say one good this he has done for the state of Illinois. Anti Christ? Maybe? We will see if he gets elected. Do not be surprised if he wants us to wear ID tags. I for sure will not be one of those people. He talks about change,change,change but says nothing as to what he plans on doing. I believe either way he will be in power as President or as Vice under Hillary and he will find someway to get her out and he will take over. I have a feeling this man is bad news. As a Democrat I will vote for Mcain in 08!
I do not want muslims taking over our country. You can see it for the way he acts. No hand over his heart and no American flag pin? He is a Muslim in disguise. It is all a act to get us to believe in him! I for sure do not! Kingdom on Earth? Wow only one kingdom he could be talking about and that is Heaven. He wants world peace which equals a nuclear world war and the sign of end times! Wake up people!
Posted by: Matt | February 7, 2008, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm
OK. We have to walk the somewhat enthusiastic line – not too enthusiastic – I mean getting excited that our country could once again be respected in the world is not like winning the Superbowl…Let’s damp down the excitement that there is a people’s candidate who we can respect…Give me a break. The media is so used to cultish devotion that the biggies at ABC don’t get it. Obama is real. To compare him to Jesus is really sick. He is a great leader. I give him $25 when I can and as an independent who couldn’t vote in the primary in my state, I just hope I can also give him my vote in the general election.
Posted by: susan polos | February 7, 2008, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm
I hate to break it to you guys, but this whole argument that Obama will get killed in the general election is a red herring. Not only is Clinton divisive on the Republican side, but look at what she has done to the democratic party in the last two months since she started slipping in the polls. Read some of the comments above. Race-baiting and divisiveness aside, Clinton’s name is synonymous with scandal (whether or not any allegations are accurate, they are nonetheless controversial.) I am a lifelong democrat, and I may stay home if Clinton is the candidate. Or even vote for Mccain if he doesn’t have Huckabee on the same ticket.
Bottom line, we are sick of politics as usual, and we don’t want the next years to look like the last 30. Time for a change.
Posted by: newlyobama | February 7, 2008, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm
It’s like one of those pyramid scheme. Every one thinks their getting something out of it but only top tier (Kennedy, Kerry, Daschle, et al.) gets something out of it. He is no more than a motivational speaker like deepak chopra, tim robbins, Dr. Phil, Joel Osteen. At the end of the day, you might feel good about yourself getting into that bandwagon of so called change (to what?) but your stomachs and pockets will still be empty.
Posted by: felicia | February 7, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
Oh No! They found out about our big secret cult.
Posted by: Amy Perry | February 7, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm
It’s kind of ridiculous to fault what’s perceived as an evangelical tone to Obama’s campaign. His repetitive use of this theme of “change” may be general and less than specific, but it’s no different than what any large campaign does .. develops a key overriding theme and hammers the point home. What’s the guy supposed to do, kill these rushes of enthusiasm and tell his people to not get “ahead of themselves”? Campaigns are all about momentum and getting ahead of yourself . . it’s just the way it works.
Posted by: Rick | February 7, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm
JOIN US -says the Obama website. IF it looks like a cult, acts like a cult, it is a cult.
Posted by: Brian Shuye | February 7, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
I think Americans are just happy to have someone positive run for presidency. GOP candidates say the name Reagan and people gush…like he was God himself. He just had a cool voice…
Posted by: haters | February 7, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
right on Matt. We have to be very careful about this puppet. I hope like you say, he is not the Anti-Christ, but it’s time, we have to beware of these idiots who support him blindly.
Posted by: okdokethen | February 7, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
They fear our enthusiasm.
Posted by: Matt | February 7, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
Obama has grassroots, ground zero experience as a community organizer versus HRC’s ivory tower delegation; Constitutional Law professor and civil rights attorney versus HRC’s corporate, board room lawyering; and 11 years legislative experience over HRC’s 8.
Obama’s policies and plans to enact them are as detailed and moreso (SS and helathcare), than HRC and anyone who knows how to read could see that at http://www.barackobama.com.
Obama has been specific about his positions during rally’s, townhall meetings, MSM interviews, etc., and the reason he usually spends his time uplifting his audiences is because anyone with any sense would know how to research his policy plans and he’s trying to convey the larger need for Americans to get past the divisive nature of our politics, religions, race relations, etc., and seek common ground to get things done.
Posted by: Eyzwidopn | February 7, 2008, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm
I’m amazed so many people have drunk the Obama kool-aid. His “yes we can”, “hope”, let’s-hold-hands-and-sing-Kumbaya, heal-this-world, can’t-we-just all-get-along campaign message is nauseatingly naive.
Is this guy truly this clueless about how politics works? Or he one slick cynical huckster?
News flash — politics is rough, dirty, and brutal. It’s been that way since the foundation of our republic. There hasn’t been one single sustained period of time in our country’s history that everyone’s “just gotten along”. America has always been just too big with too many people protecting their interests for that to happen.
Posted by: Wingtip | February 7, 2008, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm
Obama supporters keep comparing the Bush years to the Clinton years, as if they were similar. It’s understandable being that the majority of Obama supporters were in elementary school during the Clinton years and remember nothing but ‘Monica’ about Clinton. Do a little research and compare the 2 presidents. Clinton brought prosperity to everyone, doubled the economy, balanced budget then surplusses, cut unemployment in half, on and on. Now compare to Bush, just say the opposite of the Clinton years and you have Bush.
Posted by: Gordon | February 7, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
I’m amazed so many people have drunk the Obama kool-aid. His “yes we can”, “hope”, let’s-hold-hands-and-sing-Kumbaya, heal-this-world, can’t-we-just all-get-along campaign message is nauseatingly naive.
Is this guy truly this clueless about how politics works? Or he one slick cynical huckster?
News flash — politics is rough, dirty, and brutal. It’s been that way since the foundation of our republic. There hasn’t been one single sustained period of time in our country’s history that everyone’s “just gotten along”. America has always been just too big with too many people protecting their interests for that to happen.
Posted by: Wingtip | February 7, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
Wow – it sounds like there are a lot sore losers on this page.
If Obama wasn’t in the race, then Hillary is a sure thing for me as well. But the reason I support Obama is because a politician with his talent only comes along once in a generation and I am not passing up the chance to support him.
One of his big visions is fixing the educational system in America. How can this be a bad thing or “cultist”? I can’t believe some of things I read on this page!
Posted by: Shawn | February 7, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
I’m a Hillary supporter and completely agree that Obama supporters have become hateful people. Saying nasty remarks about Hillary and her supporters.
But remember we can’t fall down to that level.
Remember Just state why you want to vote for Hillary and that’s it.
Posted by: JBK | February 7, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
Yesterday, Barack Hussein Obama arrogantly stated “I have no doubt that I can get the people who vote for Senator Clinton. … It’s not clear that Senator Clinton can get all the people I’m getting,” This is the most racist and sexist remark thus far in this campaign. In other words, if Clinton loses, the majority of her women supporters will vote for me but If I lose, my supporters black people and men will not vote for her. This is such a telling comment from the great “uniter.”
Or in response to this article,” the people from my cult will not vote for Hillary if she is the nominee but her supporters will definitely join my cult.” Wow you vote for a guy once in the primary and now he says if he is not elected as the nominee you should not vote in November.
Again,Barack Hussein Obama would not be afforded the privilege to run for the most important position in the land if it weren’t for the politics and imperfect government he wants to change.
He has a total lack of respect for the old and it shows in his supporters!!!
Posted by: mona | February 7, 2008, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
I have news for you wide eyed liberals out there. America is a deeply racist country…always has been…and even though he doesn’t seem like it, Obama really is an African-American.
Posted by: Patrick | February 7, 2008, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
FINALLY!! Someone else is saying in “print” what we here at work have been saying around the water cooler: Obama-mania is creepy.
Posted by: Tracy | February 7, 2008, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
“The myth that Obama’s campaign lacks substance is absurd. He has more specific policy proposals than any other candidate.” Oh, really? Then why haven’t I heard even one? I am very disturbed by his habit of voting “present” in the IL Senate rather than “for” or “against”. And his constant bragging about being against the war in Iraq when a state senator makes me laugh. He had no access to intelligence reports… he was a lousy state politico with no foreign intelligence contacts. sheesh. you can’t judge his decision by what is known (or propagandized by the left) 5 years later. As a President he will have to make hard, terrible choices based on what information he has right then. No “present” choice will do. I don’t think he has the balls for the job. He looks good and sounds good. Wonderful, let him do commercials for Coca Cola.
Posted by: Leni | February 7, 2008, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
It’s finally making the mainstream, but it’s what turned me off to Obama from the get go.
Obama’s appeal is rooted more in a religious context than a political one. I studied theology once upon a time – essentially, he’s a secular preacher masquerading as a politician. Since I already have my own religious faith in place, that explains why listening to him makes me uncomfortable. The language, gestures, audience responses, all remind me of being in church – and I believe WHOLEHEARTEDLY in the separation of church and state.
Hillary’s appeal is rooted much more strongly in the pragmatic. She reaches people who want to see someone who can just DO THE JOB. Ironically, though, I see her very clearly motivated by a call to serve. I’m not sure what motivates him.
The problem with Obama’s model is that he IS about himself – his ideals, his vision, his strategy, his candidacy.
The truly great preachers I’ve heard have always been about something larger and greater than themselves – justice, peace, truth, love for all people – you name it. They are incidental to the message – the message is what matters.
With Obama, it feels as though it IS a messianic sort of thing, that he, or, at least, his supporters, believe he is the One True Candidate who can bring a new Golden Age to America and all of our problems will just go dancing off into the sunset. It smacks of idolatry. (This is not to say that I think he believes this, but it’s difficult to avoid peoples’ projections). The anger I get from people who think I should support him is much like the anger I used to get when I was confronted with those whose theology is different (read “more narrow”) than my own.
It’s actually a major relief to finally figure out why this “movement” has been making me so uncomfortable.
Posted by: jen | February 7, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
If Tom Daschle were to descend from on high with those words, he would have gotten his facts wrong. Barack was born in Honolulu, not Chicago.
Posted by: eric | February 7, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
Obama is just not a qualified candidate. I have heard his speeches, they were full of empty words, no substance at all. If you listen closely, his speeches were full of misstatements and incorrect sentences.
Obama is such a petty and ungracious man, how could HE unite the country? He is still attacking Hillary in his speeches now, but the media is okay with it.
We are not stupid; at least we people in Florida are not stupid! Before Jan. 29, no candidates came to campaign in Florida, except Obama ran his ads in CNN. Despite his ads and despite the medias biased reporting against Hillary for weeks (the media and Obama people had clearly twistsed Bill Clinton’s words), we people in Florida DID NOT vote for Obama! If Dem. party really wants to win in Nov., you must count our Florida’s vote to decide your nominee. Republicans are already uniting themselves now. The longer the Democrats fight within, the more likely we will have another Republican President in Jan. 2009. At least for me and many around me, if Obama is the Dem. nominee, we are voting for Republican in Nov. Obama is deadly wrong that all votes for Hillary will go to him in Nov. if he is the nominee.
It is so obvious that experience is vital for being the President, and Obama had none. Why doesn’t media examine him closely?? Why nobody investigate his connection with Excelon? Go read the recent article in The New York Times. We cannot wait until the general election to hear all ugly things about the candidates; we need to know now before it’s too late.
The media already helped start the war in Iraq. Does the media want to manipulate the outcome of this election and send another unqualified person into White House? Also, why does it bother the media so much to have a woman President, even though she is obviously the only qualified candidate for Dem. party right now??
Posted by: JJ | February 7, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm
Jake
GREAT ARTICLE. Now lets see if the media will do its job and show the lack of substance behind the overhyped Obama. In truth he is nothing but an average state senator who moved on and had an unimpressive record in the U.S. Senate including on his so -call signature issue the war in Iraq. Indeed, except for one sppech he made at an anti-war rally in 2002 he can’t point to ONE thing he actually did on this issue except continue to vote to fund the war. He is clearly about nothing but self-promotion and his own self- interests.
The people who fall for this bunk are clearly trying to fill an emptiness in their life. Let them go join Amway and not mess up our country with this pretender.
Posted by: JOEM | February 7, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm
Obama has stated that he was talking about the very likely fact that HRC will not get the Independent and Republican votes he’s gotten, especially against McCain.
How pathetically narrow-minded of some of you to think that Obama was speaking about other Democrats.
Posted by: Eyzwidopn | February 7, 2008, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm
“FINALLY!! Someone else is saying in “print” what we here at work have been saying around the water cooler: Obama-mania is creepy.” thanks Tracy! And you are not alone, I’ve been saying that on here for a long time!
Posted by: okdokethen | February 7, 2008, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm
As a Canadian and interested observer in the US political process – this article is quite fascinating. And I would say that never has a point been made so abundantly clear than when you view the comments that follow.
Rather striking to me watching your primary process is to view the all the major US networks (as opposed to Canadian coverage) and political blogs promote this hysteria and divisiveness. The thing that is the most troubling to me however is that it seems that the frenzy and conflict is being implicitly encouraged by Mr. Obama himself and his campaign itself by not quelling it.
Posted by: canadian observer | February 7, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
“The new Jim Jones, I mean Obama’s Temple following.” No rhyme or reason but still following their new shepherd…bleating as they go.
Great article!
Posted by: Tex Taylor | February 7, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm
Wow, the hatred and the anger in Obama supporters here is so over the top. Don’t they realize that they are hurting their candidate’s chances in General election by doing that, because the undecided voters will definitely get turned off by this hatred and anger. Is this how they plan to “unite” this country ?
In terms of his voting record, he is no that far off from Hillary’s record.
Posted by: pleaseanswer | February 7, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm
Such a great piece. So well stated and so obvious. We’d taken a very close look at Obama. Very close. We liked his message from the beginning — he’d said he’d run a very different kind of campaign. It is different. it’s emotionally weird, it’s self-deifying, and the man has no platform. Just change change change. It’s a mantha. Nothing else. We took a closer look during the last two debates, and his behavior steered us toward Hillar Clinton. His campaign drove us to Hillary. We voted for her on Super Tuesday and she gets our vote in November. Unfortunately, Mr. Obama smacks of a wolf in sheep’s clothing on the road to Grandma’s house and we’ve decided to take another road.
Posted by: Mel | February 7, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm
WOW, the 2 term MORON and his cash collecting cheeny bird sure have the SOCK PUPPETS expectations real low, dont it…HEEHAW…HEEHAW…HEEHAW…
Posted by: daddyblue | February 7, 2008, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm
As a conservative I don’t agree with Hil, Ob or mc. Obama is inspirational when he speaks and he does stir emotion in people. I won’t vote for him because I don’t agree with him on a lot of issues. I don’t agree with Hil or Mc either. So I will be writing in my candidate. But if Obama can cancel our treaties with all of these countries around the world that we are bound to defend at any cost, bring those troops home more and get out of Iraq without it collapsing great. We are spending billions just having our troops spread all over the world not just Afghanistan and Iraq. If he can calm Russia and Iran down great, if he can reverse our trade deficit then great, if he will secure our borders then great. Iraq could go on forever! The people of Iraq have to want freedom not have it jammed down their throats. Even if and when Iraq is on its own as a democracy what’s to say they don’t vote in another strong man? Then what did our Billions of dollars soon to be Trillions get us? I am committed to defending our Country. At some point we have to ask at what cost! If Obama can break the status quo in the Democratic Party more power to him. I wish there were someone like that on the Republican side.
Posted by: j | February 7, 2008, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm
Once Obama handlers hear about this piece, they will advise him to scale back on inspirational poetic messages. I bet his stump will not even last a minute because he has nothing of substance to say.
Posted by: felicia | February 7, 2008, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm
Well said, Canadian Observer !!
It’s refreshing to see comments from an non-partisan observer.
Posted by: pleaseanswer | February 7, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm
So someone inspires people to actually vote and participate in politics and you call it a cult? I don’t understand. You constantly hear people wanting young people to get and vote, but they never do. Now that they are – and voting for someone else – Clinton supporters don’t like it. I don’t understand how the 17 year old Hillary fangirls on the internet are any different.
And the “all talk no action” talking point is becoming irrelevant. Or do you just mute when he’s talking during the debates? He is very specific about what he wants to do and has outlined it several times.
Go ahead and vote for Hillary and McCain. I’ll start the countdown to our wars with Iran and Pakistan.
Posted by: sally | February 7, 2008, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm
Like the paint oozing down over the globe in the Sherwin Williams Paint logo, the Bushies have been creeping all over the landscape with unforgivable assaults on human life, dignity, human rights, the Constitution, and our national reputation in the world. It’s going to take years to unravel if it ever can be.
Obama offers hope to every liberal progressive world wide, having opposed the war on Iraq and being committed to stopping it should put a lump in anyones throat and if that gets a little syrupy, so be it.
Posted by: diamond ed | February 7, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm
Just remember, Oprah also gave us Dr. Phil and James Frey….
Posted by: Dave V | February 7, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm
I think it is great to see young people involved in politics… BUT… I agree that this whole Obama-mania is creepy and sad. We have lowered the bar on the Presidency that any guy with “charisma” is able to be voted in. I agree that Obama will be just like George W. Bush in that he will leave it up to his staff to run everything. He has no experience in an executive position, no idea on economic matters, etc. And it is naive of these young people, who are still forming their own convictions, to believe that a guy will “restore order to the galaxy”.
And it is also true in that if he didn’t have a “catchy name” or that he was half-black… he would never have been made the media darling…. and the messiah of the foolish & naive.
Obi-Wan Kenobi said it best: “Who’s the more foolish, the fool, or the fool who follows him?”
Posted by: Louis | February 7, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
geevill – “How is he going to fix the educational system?”
Answer: Two words – TAX MONEY
He is going to use money from ending the war and pull funding from NASA. I am a huge NASA supporter and do not want to see funding pulled but if it means we are investing in a smarter America, I am all for it.
Give the man a try and don’t be afraid! I don’t give rip that he went to Islamic school when he was a child – he is a Christian now!. Whatever happened to religious tolerance in America, by the way? Jeesh
Like I said before, his natural leadership abilities only come along once in a generation.
Posted by: Shawn | February 7, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
The fact that lot of Obama maniacs are ticked off, means the writer has written something that true and they don’t like it.
They are shallow just like there candidate BHO. He just talks big words but He has absolutely nothing to show for his achievemnets in public service.
And all the endorsements he has received from the Elites are not worth more than dog poop on the roadside.
Posted by: ca-indp | February 7, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
I think it is great to see young people involved in politics… BUT… I agree that this whole Obama-mania is creepy and sad. We have lowered the bar on the Presidency that any guy with “charisma” is able to be voted in. I agree that Obama will be just like George W. Bush in that he will leave it up to his staff to run everything. He has no experience in an executive position, no idea on economic matters, etc. And it is naive of these young people, who are still forming their own convictions, to believe that a guy will “restore order to the galaxy”.
And it is also true in that if he didn’t have a “catchy name” or that he was half-black… he would never have been made the media darling…. and the messiah of the foolish & naive.
Obi-Wan Kenobi said it best: “Who’s the more foolish, the fool, or the fool who follows him?”
Posted by: Louis | February 7, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm
Sheople are funny and so easily persuaded by a nice (but empty) suit.
Imagine that – a well speaking, handsome man without a single achievement to his name winning the Democratic nomination for the most important job in the world??
Scary. One day historians will write “what WERE they thinking??”
Posted by: Jacqueline | February 7, 2008, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm
Obama’s popularity is a testament to the fact Americans are sick of looking at the same people and hearing the same tired messages with little or no results. The kooks who spin off on his name and say he lacks substance etc. wouldn’t recognize the aforementioned if it slapped them in the face.
Posted by: Melanie | February 7, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
Your cynicism is all to apparent. When you look at the presidents of this country that have been really influentional, they had this gift of communication, which is very unique. As much as I disagreed with the policies of Ronald Reagan, he was (too) effective, because he was the “great communicator”. Good “administrators” are not as hard to come by. That is the reason for our enthusiasm–Obama is unique, Clinton is not. She is all too much of the same old divisiveness that has crippled this country–that she and Bill have long been in the middle of. Am I excited about the prospects of this country coming together and solving some huge problems? You bet I am. I am not glossy eyed but one of the most pragmatic people you could meet. The deadlock fostered by Clintons and exacerbated by Bush has to end for the good of our country.
Posted by: pano | February 7, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
Obama should’ve said, “As First Lady of California, Maria Shriver, said, “We are the ones we’ve been waiting for.”
When Maria Shriver said this at UCLA Pavillion rally with Oprah and Caroline and Mrs. Obama, the stadium roared. So if you want to blame anyone for sounding cultlike or coming to Jesus, which is a groundswell of difference because believing in Jesus is not cult, then, however, blame those words on Maria Shriver first. And, besides, give credit where credit’s due. Because you, the writer of this article, can’t do it or imagine it ever being done, having such a following, doesn’t mean no one else can. OBAMA ’08!!
Posted by: RuthieM | February 7, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
“So someone inspires people to actually vote and participate in politics and you call it a cult? I don’t understand”
you would never understand, being inside a cult. a cult is a sick pychology that brainwashes the weak and once you are sucked in, you have no sense of logic in the “outer” world. The only way you can understand, is to get outside the cult. You need to be deprogrammed.
Posted by: okdokethen | February 7, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
I sincerely hope this new “cult” meme that has spread over the internet like wildfire over the last 48 hours wasn’t born from the Clinton election lab, because if so it’s very disappointing.
If Obama’s support is “cult” because some inspired young people to hand out some fliers and donate $25 over the internet, I would hate to hear what the Clinton campaign would have labeled Martin Luther King Jr.
Posted by: Cary | February 7, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
Great article. The truth has been told. Apparently the truth hurts
Posted by: Tony | February 7, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
“This man is bringing such joy into my life. I’m a dyed in the wool Republican and watching Billary’s world crashing down around her is almost more than I can bear. Tears of joy. I do have some regrets though. I was so looking forward to the “Long Knives” coming out and ripping her and Bill to shreds for an entire year! Like a gift that just keeps on giving and giving.” Posted above
These are the posts that prove Tapper’s well made point and is evident of why people have become uneasy abut this man. Long knives? Ripping people to shreds? If this is the way Obama makes his supporters feel, this lets us know (a) that he is infinitely more divisive than any person we could have in a position of leadership, and (b) there’s something very, very wrong with the message he’s sending. Thankfully, it’s very early in the campain season and Obama has an unusally big mouth. (Unfortunately, since he seems to speak only in parables and quotes rather than to issues and policies because of his extreme lack of experience, we’ll never hear anything different). He’s made some very disconcerting comments due to his own arrogance and the fawning of his supporters and some media backers over the past two days. He’s made the mistake of believing his own press.
Posted by: Mel | February 7, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
It must be sad and lonely to be so cynical.
Really? Couldn’t think of any other way to defeat Obama, so now we’re “too involved.” The American people would do well to be “too involved” in their own government.
Posted by: Dan | February 7, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
Finally the media gets it! I was watching his rally too after Super Tuesday for about 5 minutes because that is all I can stand! His rhetoric is really creepy. Especially because you see all of these desperate people yearning for acceptance and so vulnerable. One young woman standing behind him looked like she was in a state of euphoria. He sure casts a scary spell on a lot of people.
He won’t even debate with Hillary. He has no plan, policy, or idea on what to do. At least she has the brains to articulate a plan and is prepared for the job.
He actually has some nerve to spend most of his first term as a senator out there campaigning for himself, instead of serving his constituents. What a rip off to the people who voted for him believing that he would “change” his state. They were merely a stepping stone on his way to greatness. You think he could at least devoted some time to working on their issues first. Whose to say he won’t do the same to our nation if he is elected. He may have his eyes set on a higher prize…like one world government.
Posted by: Patricia Mejia | February 7, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
Scenario 1: Obama get the nomination. He will lose a lot of older white votes. Also, he will lose a part of the Hispanic vote. And some more because of the Hillary backlash.
So the Republican wins.
Scenario 2: Hillary gets the nomination. She will lose a part of her black votebank because the clinton-black president facade will be off. She will cause the morality pushers to rally and vote in greater numbers against her because of the bad taste of the past.
So again the Republican wins.
Posted by: Jim Goran | February 7, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
Obama is extremely polarizing. When he became popular all the races separated and took sides. Obama has a lock on the black vote, but Hillary has leads in the white, latino, asian, and Jewish vote (along with a strong lead with all other minorities). Basically, Obama has the black vote and Hillary has all the other races. Obama is not a uniter like he says, he’s extremely polarizing. Now that we have a lot of data from Feb 5, the fact has been solidified. This can destroy the Democratic party. All republicans need to do is to bring up race and that will destroy Obama. This is a huge issue that the media is not talking about because they are afraid to bring up race again. The fact that Obama is clearly polarizing is a huge flaw for Obama.
Posted by: VenturaGuy | February 7, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm
Eyzwidopn posted:
“They fear our enthusiasm.”
You misspelled “fanaticism.” And what we fear is the unprepared, unqualified, untested president it could saddle us with.
Posted by: WylieD | February 7, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm
Just to let you know.
Because of this article, thousands of Obama supporters are donating $25 or more to the campaign, just as we do every time we find evidence of the old politics of cynicism and fear.
So thanks for helping us raise money!
Posted by: Jon | February 7, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
I’m really surprised so many people uncritically say that Obama lacks substance or hasn’t taken strong positions, or that his supporters have no idea what he stands for — assuming of course that he stands for anything at all other than “change.” How about the war in Iraq for starters? How about torture, habeas corpus, and Guantanamo? How about raising the income cap on social security to keep it solvent? How about structuring tax and fiscal policy to help regular people? Like rolling back tax cuts that have benefited the wealthiest 1% in this country? How about engaging in personal diplomacy with foreign leaders, even if we disagree with them? How about supporting free trade agreements that have labor and environmental standards? How about striking al Qaeda in W Pakistan if there is actionable intell and Pakistan won’t act? How about increasing funding for early childhood education and making college more affordable? How about investing in green technologies? How about promoting broad-based immigration reform? How about reforming the executive branch to make government more transparent? How about reviewing all executive orders for constitutionality? How about making health care affordable without a mandate? How about redeploying combat forces out of Iraq? And on his record? He was right on the war. Death penalty reform in Illinois. Nuclear non-proliferation with Richard Lugar a Republican. Lobbying reform. Please cite Clinton’s greatest achievements. Seriously, I’d like to know what they are.
Please feel free to criticize any of these positions, but don’t just invent facts.
Posted by: DM | February 7, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
well, people do have the right to be stupid I guess. Half the people in the country voted for Bush, not once but twice. And half are voting for Obama.
Posted by: okdokethen | February 7, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
“Every one of Obama’s ideas involves taking my property and giving it to someone else. That’s not AMERICAN.”
oh really? I wonder what the Native Americans would say about that…
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The above exchange is without a doubt the most hilarious I’ve seen on here. LOL
Certainly Obama’s speech delivery has a preacher cadence about it but to dismiss his followers as cultish is insulting and misses the point. Americans had previously always been known and admired for their optimism – it’s a quality that powered the country to greatness – but they are jaded and demoralized after all of the divisiveness of the Clinton/Bush years (surely a country with over 300 million people can find a bigger gene pool to draw from for their presidency!). Obama has reignited that dormant spirit – that is the enthusiasm sweeping the country but perhaps some cynics are too far gone to even recognize. More’s the pity.
Posted by: Jen | February 7, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm
This article hits the nail on the head!
I watched and listened to his Super Tues speech, and sat there thinking, this guy is starting to sound like a preacher! Inspiration is a good thing but don’t over do it, and say something!
he needs to be careful, lest middle America start lumping him in there with Jesse Jackson and crowd…. he is walking a very thin line right now. I still think that sooner or later he will play that Race card due to desperation while fighting off the Clintons. then it will unfortunately be all over for him. I am not a Democrat, but he seems like a decent honest man. The next few months will show just how smart and politically savy he is!
Posted by: Drew | February 7, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
In last week’s installment, our heroine made sure that in spite of his widespread popularity among whites, that everyone knew he was black. That backfired. See Idaho primary results. Now, it’s a “cult”.
Behold the death throes of the Clinton campaign.
Posted by: BegalaCarville Cult | February 7, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
sounds like another clinton hit job to me. dont be fooled.
Posted by: flogold | February 7, 2008, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm
An empty suit with no accomplishments before he became president? I thought that was the president we have today. To all the “we’ll be sorry when this liberal gets in the White House” folks, how’d it work out with the current guy? At least Obama can talk in coherent sentences. That’s progress.
Posted by: Neal | February 7, 2008, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm
thank you for the realistic blog on the obama campaign…
The Bush years have lest americans so hopeless that they have irrationally projected their hopes on a man that has no substance only style….
Even Obama’s most passionate speeches are a farce given that he reads them from a telePrompter….
His oratorical skills, his lack of temperament and substance is obvious in the debates….
Its no wonder that the Obama campaign is running clear of any proposed debates….
The clinton campaign should push for the debates … so americans can see that this man is afraid of his bluff being called….
He can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but he can not fool all of the people all of the time.
Hopefully americnas will wake up and choose the real deal soon — Hillary 2008 !!!
Posted by: mita | February 7, 2008, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm
Obama is the most DANGEROUS political figure I have witnessed in my lifetime,and that includes that Racist Governor in 1969. Obama USES his race to deflect all critisism. He USES a Christian Church ONLY after concluding it methods for reaching people could help him in furthering HIS OWN personal views for socialism/Indonesian WORLD view. Obama has memorized MLK’s candance and preaching style for delivering HIS platitudes for CHANGE without explaining exactly what that CHANGE would entail…SURRENDER to WORLD VIEWS…SOCIALIZED class equalization….AFRICAN/BLACK supremecy if we are to listen to his 20 yr Minister who praises muslim extremist Farahquan….This is a PIED PIPER leading the lambs to slaughter from the world. CTM-TX
Posted by: connie t maxwell | February 7, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
Have you forgotten the photos of the fawning young women who followed Bill Clinton around during his campaign? I heard a woman on NPR say that she was almost out of breath every time she heard Bill speak.
Even now, the Clintons can do no wrong in some people’s eyes. Sounds a little cultish to me.
Posted by: Noveri | February 7, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
Thanks for responding Shawn,
but how is more TAX MONEY going to fix the problem? and what exactly is the problem?) So Obama would put those employed by NASA out of work? So he would cut the defense budget?
Posted by: geevill | February 7, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
Are you serious with this article?
Did Mr. Clinton give you the addresses for these listservs and blogs? I seem to recall at least one woman literally worshiping at his feet.
Obama is an inspirational speaker. So what? Some people get carried away with their enthusiasm, but that hardly justifies painting all his supporters with the same broad brush.
If you want news, why not talk about the fact that Hillary is about to spin all of you media fools into believing that she is the underdog because her campaign is out of money (yeah, right).
Hillary knows she is about to get her clock cleaned in the next nine contests and needs to blame it on something other than her inability to derail Senator Obama.
Shine the light on Obama as much as you want. If he can’t take it, he’ll lose. If you can, he will be our next president.
Posted by: BO for United America | February 7, 2008, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
Wow, cult? That’s insane, seriously.
I volunteer for Obama and I contribute to his campaign. I am far from brainwashed and acting beyond my own will.
I’m a former Republican turned Independent that is ready for some serious progressive reform in our government. THAT is not the mind of a cult member. it is the mind of an independently minded US citizen that will not stand by for another 8 years insanity. Wow…
Posted by: *S*U*S*A*N* | February 7, 2008, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
I guess if you’re not drinking the Clinton cocktail then you’re part of a cult?
Nice try, but the Clintons are nothing but dirt and deception personified!
Posted by: Agnostic Democrat | February 7, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
Just to let you know.
Because of this article, thousands of Obama supporters are donating $25 or more to the campaign, just as we do every time we find evidence of the old politics of cynicism and fear.
So thanks for helping us raise money!
Posted by: Jon | February 7, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
What does Hillary actually stand for? She won’t admit Iraq was a “mistake”, but she’ll say that she wouldn’t vote for it again knowing what she knows now. She says she just “authorized” Bush to go to war, but she didn’t know he would actually use it?
How disingenuous can you get?
The blood doesn’t wash off the hands, no matter how hard you try scrub.
Posted by: Cary | February 7, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
Trust me everyone.
Daniel 5:21
“God is the one who appoints the leaders of the nations”
Posted by: The Most High | February 7, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
Obama is our savior of poltics. Becasue he is transcendednt he wil gt things done. His detractors will seem samll minded, littel people in comparison. Folks, a new wave is coning. How mighty the big sleaze fat cats fall.
–YES WE CAN! OBAMA 08.
Posted by: lange | February 7, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
Is this what it was like in the Roman Empire’s last couple of centuries?
Posted by: trentk268 | February 7, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
Is this what it was like in the Roman Empire’s last couple of centuries?
Posted by: trentk268 | February 7, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
“I sincerely hope this new “cult” meme that has spread over the internet like wildfire over the last 48 hours wasn’t born from the Clinton election lab, because if so it’s very disappointing.”
Unlike you and most of your other fellow Obama supporters, we weren’t born yesterday like you. So go “change” your diapers, it’s getting really stinky in here. That kind of change would be really refreshing.
Posted by: okdokethen | February 7, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
its ok when republicans use religion in politics but god forbide democrats use it he must be the antichrist
Posted by: steven | February 7, 2008, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
Obama is our savior of politics. Because he is transcendent he wil get things done. His detractors will seem like small minded, little people in comparison. Folks, a new wave is coming. How mighty the big sleaze fat cats fall! Don’t stadn in the way of History!
This is our time.
–YES WE CAN! OBAMA 08
Posted by: lange | February 7, 2008, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
Hmm – if you change the time from today to 1980 and the name from Obama to Reagan – what’s different ?
Posted by: TZ | February 7, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
DEAR MILITARY
For all of you who want to join our cult, we have a new march to learn…ready!!!!
Your left…your left…your left…right-NO!!!!
Your left…your left…your left…right-NO!!!!
Posted by: daddyblue | February 7, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
Wow. I just realized the ignorance of the general public. I haven’t read blogs on sight as huge and generic as ABC in a while, but the lies about Obama on here are amazing. I personally know of 5 life-long republicans that voted for Obama, and my personal libertarian views were set aside to vote for him not because I think he is the Messiah but b/c I think it is the JOB of the president to inspire the nation and the world. I have seen plenty of smart managers that were horrible leaders. People want and need to believe in something. If you choose to live your life in fear and believe he is the anti-christ, go for it, but I am a bit more reality based and judge the world by what I see. I see clearly that Obama is the right president for the country and the right leader for this world in these troubled and disturbing times. Besides, you republican liberal bashers, why don’t you keep quiet until you can learn to govern by your principles. Take a look at the deficit, our world involvement (remember Bush in ’00, “America should not be the policeman of the world), small, unobtrusive government (Terry Schiavo, wire tapping), and they didn’t do anything about immigration. BOTH houses of congress and presidency and they didn’t do anything but make the country more liberal. NICE RECORD.
Posted by: rob | February 7, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm
Oh dear Tina…the Mitt campaign is calling you to volunteer…
Posted by: brian | February 7, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
Was Kenya part of the British Empire in 1961? Was it under British Colonial Rule?
Did they have dual-nationalship at that time?
Curious
Posted by: frank | February 7, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
So Obama supporters are a cult now? This is the sad kind of reporting I would expect from ABC. Your probably proud of the fact that its a drudge linked article. You did your part in their little propaganda campaign. Define a cult a please… how and in what way do we resemble say… the church of scientology? Not at all, simply because we have an inspirational leader that we believe can do much needed good in the white house that makes us a cult? Were the Bobby kennedy supporters who cried the night he was assassinated cult members too? Or does this simply fit your agenda right now?
You want to destroy the only black man who has had the opportunity to possibly be the POTUS. Sad so sad, tell the kids who finally have someone they relate to. I guess by your definition though MLK would have been a cult too, same with Ronald reagan for the conservatives. You are a disgrace ABC and the clinton/ republicans posting vile things on here are as well.
Posted by: LAObama | February 7, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
Just to let you know.
Because of this article, thousands of Obama supporters are donating $25 or more to the campaign, just as we do every time we find evidence of the old politics of cynicism and fear.
So thanks for helping us raise money!
Posted by: Jon | February 7, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
I agree with some of the previous comments regarding the fervor: it’s got more to do with Bush than Obama. I think people get emotional when listening to him because he is tapping into the same mythos of Good and Evil in politics that Bush created, or stoked, over the past several years (e.g., PACs are Evil!). Obama (the candidate, his image — not the man) is really just the anti-Bush. Running on “change” is also a good strategy because it helps him avoid going toe-to-toe with Hillary (the ultimate policy-wonk) on substance.
Posted by: John Phelps | February 7, 2008, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm
Every time some one shows a little healthy skepticism (and it’s alarmingly rare, particularly in the media, where it’s part of the job description) Obama or his followers dismiss it as cynicism. This article gives me the faintest glimmer of hope that perhaps journalists are gong to start taking their responsibilities seriously and begin to ask Sen. Obama the tough questions that they’d ask any other candidate. I, for one, am eager to here the answers before we
Posted by: Larry | February 7, 2008, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm
I am relieved that people are finally seeing through Barack Obama. He has no plan, he just speaks and primarily about nothing except Hope and Change; is this a person we want to be president? Okay, so he is a great speaker, but he came out of nowhere, he has followers and this whole evangelical thing is getting creepier by the second. I believe all politicians are the same, but we need to realize that Obama has no experience. At least Kennedy came from a family of politicians and he at least had a plan, Obama has no plan of action for healthcare, the economy, the war, or for cleaning up the environment. Vote for Hillary but more importantly that she chooses Evan Bayh as her VP.
Posted by: Nik | February 7, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
“HIS CHURCH’S STRONG FOCUS IS ON BEING AFRICAN. IF OBAMA/OSAMA IS COMMITTED TO AFRICA HE SHOULD BE PRESIDENT OF AFRICA SIMPLY PUT! WHY DOESN’T IT SAY THAT THEY’RE MAIN COMMITMENT IS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA? WHERE IN THEIR 10 POINTS DOES IT STATE OUR COMMITTMENT TO BEING “AMERICAN.” WHY WONT THEY STATE THAT WHY? BECAUSE THEY’RE STILL STRUGGLING AS A PEOPLE? BULLSHIT! THERE ARE MORE BLACK MALE CEO’S THEN FEMALE THEY ARE NOT STRUGGLING ANY MORE THEN THE REST OF US “AMERICANS.” RACISM OCCURS TO ALL RACES EVEN WHITES (I’M MEXICAN AMERICAN)” right on poster, why isn’t this being brought up and examined on MSNBC. Oh, I know why, they promote Obama and don’t look at anything.
Posted by: okdokethen | February 7, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
FINALLY…the media is waking up and taking an indepth look at Obama…I have been saying for months that Obama reminds me of the television evangelist CREFLO DOLLAR…
He uses the same techniques…all personality driven and inspiration based on a blind faith that HE is the only one that can deliver…and if you listen to his wife Michelle…she actually says that HE is the only one that can save and lead us…it is frightening
many of the Obama’s campaign and supporters are rude and arrogant and resort to name calling and I don’t see alot of his inspiration of civility and unity rubbing off on them…nothing gracious about them at all…their way or the highway approach…
this is an illusion…please start vetting this man before the Democratic party loses its best chance to regain the Presidency
Posted by: S | February 7, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
This article is SHITE.
Posted by: Muukey | February 7, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
Well, since Obama is an empty suit and a cult leader, able to offer nothing to America but saccharine sentiment…
…it should be real easy for Hillary Clinton and/or John McCain to pop his bubble. Right?
Or could it be that people who wrote Obama off at the start are now too lazy or partisan to do a teeny bit of research and figure out what he, and the movement, is all about.
It’s unfortunate that so many are scared by change.
I respect everyone’s right to disagree, but it’s sad when people criticize the excitement around Obama by conjuring up counter-hyperbole of their own. Everyone SAYS they want to hear more about the issues, but when they have the chance to discuss real politics, they stoop to the lowest of assumptions.
I’m voting with my head this election, and happy that it aligns with my heart for once.
The kool-aid tastes like the future, and the future is great.
Posted by: Obama08 | February 7, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
>>Unlike you and most of your other fellow Obama supporters, we weren’t born yesterday like you. So go “change” your diapers, it’s getting really stinky in here. That kind of change would be really refreshing.<<
Yes, nothing indicates maturity like personal ad hominem attacks and potty humor on an anonymous internet blog.
Point well taken, oh wise one.
Posted by: Cary | February 7, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
Tapper, what you’re reporting is why Obama can’t be the democratic nominee. There’s no substance nor practicality (just a wave of inspirational craze) to his messages. As I noticed earlier, Hillary isn’t the one making impossible promises to voters …
Posted by: PC | February 7, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
Just to let you know.
Because of this article, thousands of Obama supporters are donating $25 or more to the campaign, just as we do every time we find evidence of the old politics of cynicism and fear.
So thanks for helping us raise money!
Posted by: Jon | February 7, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
There is no doubt I am voting for a third party candidate. It looks like the Maya were correct with their “end of the world” calendar. Nobody has the guts to say it, so I will. America is not going to vote for a black guy or a woman as president.
Sorry, it’s true. When that moment comes to pull the lever, nobody will be watching and we can do what we want and nobody will know. I am correct and this November you will all agree.
Posted by: Typical American | February 7, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
Hilarious. And who is Kathleen Geier? Not a serious person. Evangelical Christianity is not a “cult,” although occasionally adherents to a particular strain of evangelistic Christianity exhibit behaviors that are indeed cult-like–for example, a zealous and unquestioning commitment to the leader whether he/she is alive or dead) and regards his/her belief system and ideology as absolute Truth; in which questioning, doubt and dissent are discouraged or punished; the group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s) and members (for example, the leader is seen to be is on a special mission to save humanity, or the nation-state. The evangelical Christianity so many liberals today detest is responsible in part for such world-changing actions as the abolition of the slave trade, the emanicipation of African-Americans, the fight for women’s and children’s rights, universal education, prison reform, the institutionalization of philanthropy, creation of medical mssions with a global reach, to name but a few.
The language of religious enthusiasm has, for better or worse, always been a part of our politics. However, that this seems to be more apparent today reflects the polarization of our political culture and and of a political system driven largely by fear–fear that causes people to herd together for protection and all too often to demomonize their opponents.
Posted by: throckmorton | February 7, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
I am always concerned when I hear a worshipful support of any individual. I am a support of Hillary Clinton, but I am not unaware of her imperfections. All I hear from the Obama supporters is adoring praise. Where is the critical appraisal?
Hillary Clinton has been in politics forever. She knows how to run against Republicans in a Presidential Election. She has worked on her positions and plans so she is ready to go to work on day one.
Posted by: Judi | February 7, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
Obama may envision change, but he doesn’t have the means to bring change about – the connections, the knowledge, etc. Yet, Hillary has all these things, plus the charisma and intelligence. Hillary is for change, and with the chance, she will bring change!
Posted by: PC | February 7, 2008, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm
So it’s okay for tens of thousands of people to wait in line all day (and night) and fill stadiums for American Idol auditions and NFL games and to listen to U2, but not to see a candidate for President of the United States?
Posted by: Mel | February 7, 2008, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm
Obama is in no position to win neither the Hispanic nor working class vote, because he’s too elitist – he appeals to those who are too rich to worry about what normal people do. But Hillary considers and inspires the majority of us.
Posted by: PC | February 7, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm
The media crowned Obama “the next coming” and I see no end in sight…
Posted by: Scooter | February 7, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm
Thanks for the debate geevill -
As I’m sure you know, you can find the details of his plans on his website – as to what happens to NASA employees – I don’t know but I DO care – how about they turn to teaching/educating for a few years? We can’t have it all, for true progress, there always has to be sacrifices, but its ok as long as we have our priorities straight!
Instead of trying to further engage me in meaningless debate questions, what is the real message you want to get across? What point are you trying to make?
Thank-you.
Posted by: Shawn | February 7, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
Bring back Al Gore. He can bore everyone to tears with a 25 point discussion on lockboxes, and Democrats can once again find a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Posted by: Cary | February 7, 2008, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm
Tina,
I’ve been to his church’s website many times. So what’s the big deal? Let’s see: their proud of their African American heritage? So what. big deal. Good for them. to suggest otherwise seems questionable. They say on their site that they are “unapologetically Christian” and “unapologetically Black.” So, what’s wrong with that. Check out their Christian education classes and outreaches. It definitely falls within the boundaries of orthodox Christianity. If anything it is more so: imagine that! They actually take care of the poor, sick and needy! These accusations of the church are remarkably like Clinton’s smear campaigns. We won’t fall for them again. Her time is done.
And I’m a white Republican who thinks, aside from anything else, that it would be good for our country, for our people and minorities to see an African American as President. Remember, he is also half white. He is a man of the people who dares to be different, dares to a be a Democrat who actually holds genuine traditional family values and a real put in action Christian faith! Go for it Barack. I will not vote for McCain, that’s for sure! If I’m going to get change, I’m going for real change with an honourable good person who actually has a real marriage (not just for power and politics like the Clintons), and has remained married to the same woman. Those alone speak volumes about his character. Michelle will make a great 1st Lady too.
Posted by: Dennis | February 7, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
Finally somebody realized that i’ts imposible to tell what Obama stands for other than his own gloating or Bush bashing.
Posted by: Izzy | February 7, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm
Hi Jim Goran ! Agree with your statement
“Scenario 1: Obama get the nomination. He will lose a lot of older white votes. Also, he will lose a part of the Hispanic vote. And some more because of the Hillary backlash.
So the Republican wins.
Scenario 2: Hillary gets the nomination. She will lose a part of her black votebank because the clinton-black president facade will be off. She will cause the morality pushers to rally and vote in greater numbers against her because of the bad taste of the past.
So again the Republican wins.”
How about others:
Scenario 3: Obama-Clinton.
Democrate got all their base. They are out number. Democrate win. I can live with that. Too bad I don’t see that happened. Let’s faced it, being VP has no substant historically excepted Dick Chenney. It is the post to prepare for Presidental running. Clinton already 60. After all, she is a politician.
Scenario 4: Clinton-Obama: same above, democrate win. Seem a bit unfair for the Obama camp. After all, they got the momentum and a strong desired. But I still hope that at the convention, the super-delegate will step in to unify the party. Obama may have to accept the arrangment in exhange for the party nomination in the future. Lost 8 years, but gain more experience and acceptant. But Clinton may have to send Bill to live aboard.
Posted by: asianmalesmoker | February 7, 2008, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
Obama may envision change, but Hillary has the means – the connections, knowledge, etc. to bring about change. Hillary is for change!
Posted by: PC | February 7, 2008, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm
No point. I should not have to go to a website and read prepared rhetoric. Is it that Obama can only give prepraed speeches via teleprompter and ask people to look at his website? I did log in and the home screen says JOIN US and asks for personal information. Nothing about what he would actually do as President. I choose not to join this movement or cult whatever it is. I will either vote for Hillary Clinton or John McCain in November. That’s what I have learned from this blog today.
Posted by: geevill | February 7, 2008, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm
Look what happens when someone who has ideas outside of the typical Washington machinery gets people enthused and involved: his competitors and detractors try to paint us as worshippers, rather than AMERICANS who are sick of ugly government business-as-usual. How good were the Clinton years? The rick got richer–good for them–and the poor got poorer and poorer. (Then Billy boy cost the Dem’s the next election or two, but no biggie.)
Posted by: Chris Weidenbach | February 7, 2008, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm
Can you people not READ? If you want more detail on Obama’s life and platform, read his TWO BOOKS. I read “The Audacity of Hope” on a trip to Asia in 2006. His website features details on the issues. You can also link to videos on various topics. The Obama website is constantly updated. Anyone who says they don’t know anything about him is simply lazy or lying.
Posted by: Noveri | February 7, 2008, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
did you see Obama yesterday on that one on one news conference? Talk about stuttering, I thought it was bad before, I thought he was going to have a stroke. Guess he was all choked up about losing California and Massachusetts.
Posted by: okdokethen | February 7, 2008, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
Throckmorton, good points! Thanks.
Posted by: Dennis | February 7, 2008, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
I have been reading comments like these on news articles for the last few months and have never felt the need to express my opinion until I read this very biased article.
I am a republican and have always voted for a republican in the presidential races. However, this year I am one of those republicans Obama talks about pulling into his camp as an Obama-Republican.
I just want to say I am very offended by this article and find comparisons to a cult to be very insulting. Why aren’t the people supporting Clinton called ‘a blind cult’? They consistantly ignore her camp’s dirty trick politics and lies. Hillary Clinton has more baggage than American Tourister. Her husband being back in the White House is scary as hell. Maybe he can get more money working with Hillary this time to pardon more criminals.
Anyway, I find it sad that the democrats can’t seem to understand what Obame is saying is true. There are already Obama republicans and independents. If the democrats actually nominate Hillary Clinton I will go out of my way to support and work for the republican candidate (hell even if it is Huckabee :). I would love for Obama to be the nominee but strongly suspect the Hillary people will find some way to cheat her way in. A good cheating example is the primaries she claims to have won in Michigan and Florida. What a joke.
Finally, I am all in favor of having a woman president some day but in no way should it be Hillary Clinton. I bet if Obama was an African American woman, the Clintons would still play there seek and destroy tactics and do anything, say anything, stoop to the lowest level, just so they can have the power they for whatever reason feel is their birth-right.
Sorry but one last thing. Am I the only one to see the lying game Hillary Clinton plays? I saw here the other day after the LA debate and she was tellng a crowd that with Obama’s health plan people will be left out of the plan and she actually said ‘who is he going to leave out? The woman with breast cancer? The poor man dying of cancer? etc. How mant times does it take to finally understand all Obma said is he will not ‘force’ people who are barely surviving to pay for Health Care. I don’t equate that to his not caring if someone has breast cancer etc. The lies, the flat out tricks and lies are why I can’t stand Hillary and Bill Clinton. PLEASE make them go away.
Posted by: MJames | February 7, 2008, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
All I see when I hear Obama speaks are my hard earned dollars being ripped away from me and handed to people who believe they are somehow entitled to it.
Hold on to your wallets, folks!
Posted by: an american | February 7, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
Today Obama told people of New Orleans that he would build a levee by 2011 that would protect them from a “100″ year storm. I’m amazed he simply doesn’t use his powers to part seas.
Posted by: chris | February 7, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
This is such an important topic. The media hasn’t even begun to dissect Obama. Obama is extremely polarizing. When he became popular all the races separated and took sides. Obama has a lock on the black vote, but Hillary has leads in the white, latino, asian, and Jewish vote (along with a strong lead with all other minorities). Basically, Obama has the black vote and Hillary has all the other races. Obama is not a uniter like he says, he’s extremely polarizing. Now that we have a lot of data from Feb 5, the fact has been solidified. This can destroy the Democratic party. All republicans need to do is to bring up race and that will destroy Obama. This is a huge issue that the media is not talking about because they are afraid to bring up race again. The fact that Obama is clearly polarizing is a huge flaw for Obama.
Posted by: VenturaGuy | February 7, 2008, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm
Where were Hillary’s “means” of bringing out change when Bush started drumming the warbeat for Iraq? She was just another gutless, coward status quo Democrat petrified of standing on the outside looking in if the war was over in 2 weeks, we were getting .75/gallon gas and Bush was holding victory parades all summer.
Hillary will only bring about change after she crunches the numbers and weighs the polls. Talk about an empty (pant) suit.
Posted by: Cary | February 7, 2008, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm
geevill: Anyone who thinks Barack offers no concrete ideas, you’re disagreeing with nearly every professional pundit, all of whom say he and Hillary have basically similar ideas. The website? Try again! Obama’s website has very fine detail.
Posted by: Chris Weidenbach | February 7, 2008, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
A word for the (excessively) wise: The Democrats have lost the last two elections by being too clever for their own good. If we learn anything from Gore/Kerry, let it be this: pointy-headed mockery plays well on paper, but it doesn’t win elections. Bush may well be a moron – and Rove may well be the Antichrist – but they knew how to convert the passion and faith of a deeply religious base into powerful political currency. The so-called “Obama cult” is a potential coup for the Democratic party, and we’d best learn how to leverage it to our greatest advantage. If we don’t, prepare to watch the Church of Irrational Clinton Hatred rise up against Reason and knock the the donkeys on their asses, yet again.
Posted by: Kristen | February 7, 2008, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
This is the first time since I began voting (2000) that I have had a democratic candidate that I feel good about voting for. Before they were mearly votes against the corporatocracy that is republicanism. But now I actually feel like we may have a leader that can actually inspire people on left the way Reagan inspired people on the right (not his policies by any means mind you). The youth vote is educated and we know there isnt much difference between the policies of Clinton and Obama. We choose Obama though because he has a quality we have never seen in our politicians. People want to inject race and gender into this election I say do the opposite… forget Obama is Black and Hillary is a woman, just ask yourself who can inspire and bring this country together? That’s why I support Barack Obama. What you see is not a cult its just something that hasnt happened for many many years in America… A wildly popular democratic candidate.
Posted by: LA-Obama | February 7, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm
Obama won the red states, but Hillary won the blue states. This is because Obama is a status quo symbol, which he’s been falsely accusing Hillary of being. Obama was status quo when in Illinois, he was backing the Daley machine (and ‘dynasty’). People point to Hillary as being dishonest, but Obama is just as dishonest – he’s new but also very status quo and misrepresents himself all over the place. If you read about Obama’s career you’ll know that he’s nothing ‘fresh’ or ‘hopeful’ in the world of politics.
Posted by: PC | February 7, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm
To the young poster who compared Obama to Reagan. Ronald reagan served as Governor of California. he ran for President at least three times before winning the nomination. Most importantly he had a platform. Strong defense, supply side economincs, and anti-communism. Obama is no Reagan, no Kennedy. Closer to a Jimmy Carter except he is unable to micromanage.
Posted by: geevill | February 7, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
Hillary is NOT presidential material. God help the USA if she and Bill get back into the Whitehouse. How many more marital affairs, murders, and scandals can our country afford ? Obama is the better choice from any perspective-very reminescent of the Kennedy era. He’s the man !
Posted by: Mapoj | February 7, 2008, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm
Is this blog paid for and maintained by the Hillary Campaign? Obama is just being sincere about uniting the country – what’s wrong about that?
Posted by: Andy | February 7, 2008, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm
did you see Obama’s speech in New Orleans today? Gawd he looked tired, and even tired of himself giving the same old speech. He knows he’s toast.
Posted by: okdokethen | February 7, 2008, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
Thanks Jake for the article and getting a very important conversation started. No one else in the media has been gutsy enough to question ANYTHING about Obama. It gives me hope that maybe there are some credible journalists out there not wearing blinders or rose colored glasses. Thank you! I’ve been so perplexed with the media, especially MSNBC. At first I thought it was because they so badly didn’t want the Clintons back in the White House. I’m beginning to think it goes beyond that though. I think there is going to come a day when Chris Matthews, Tucker, Olberman and the gang look back at their behavior and think, “What was I thinking? and Why doesn’t anyone watch my show any more?”
Posted by: JayH | February 7, 2008, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
Puh-leeze. I have been a lifelong Democrat, and this is the first time that I have been sufficiently moved by a candidate to give my own hard-earned money for his campaign. It is refreshing — and yes, moving — to have an intelligent, charismatic and upstanding candidate representing me, and I will do whatever I can to help him win the primaries and the general election. Were people too cultish about JFK, or MLK — people have these inspirational figures’ images on their walls (often next to Jesus, and I don’t think they’re brainwashed). Inspiration is not a bad thing. At the same time, don’t let his inspirational qualities blind you to his firm policy positions — check out this helpful post for a reminder if you’ve missed it.
Posted by: RR | February 7, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
I will NEVER vote for this man. If he gets the Democratic nomination, I’m voting for McCain.
Posted by: JAH | February 7, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
So, “he’s muslim,” (NOT), I guess you would never pledge allegiance to the flag then? Come on, Christians do that all the time! We are to be committed to justice too for that matter. Their commitment to help Africa is noble. They aren’t committing to one country over America, another single country and you’re right, ultimately Christians are called to commit to Christ above all else. By recognizing “their heritage,” as the site says, doesn’t make America subservient at all! There are Korean churches, Hispanic Churches, Polish Catholic Churches, etc., all proud of their heritage and helping their people. Big deal. Why shouldn’t they? Every mainline Christian church has some kind of unique focus whilst maintaining distinctive that don’t compromise their faith in Christ, but rather accentuate it. I really think you are making a mountain out of a molehill. Remember, even St. Paul used his Roman citizenship to his advantage to help bring about his mission! The issue isn’t his church, heritage, but whether he can reach across the divide and aisle and unify people. He seems to be doing a good job of that! Let’s face it, there will be no real leadership coming for the plunder and divide mentality of the Clintons. Enough is enough.
Posted by: Dennis | February 7, 2008, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
Obama may be to presidential politics what Tiger Woods is to golf. There’s nothing evil about that.
Posted by: kinlr | February 7, 2008, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
people, you been HYPOTIZED! but it’s not to late.
Posted by: okdokethen | February 7, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
Joe Klein is wrong when he says this is all about Obama. The wave Obama is riding is the same wave that Dean was riding 4 years ago. The wave is a generational change about forming a new ruling coalition in the Democratic party.
The scope of this change is unclear and what the results will be are unclear. But this change will occur regardless of whether Obama wins or not.
The author complains that Obama supporters do not talk a lot about specific policies. I agree that this is true because the difference between Clinton and Obama is not primarily about policy; it is about integrity. I don’t trust Clinton to do even what she thinks is right under some circumstances. Her vote for the Iraq war is an emblem of this lack of integrity. Before the war Clinton, Kerry, and Edwards and other presidential contenders all lined up to vote for war because the common wisdom was that no one could vote against the war and become president. And they thought there was no stopping it anyway so we had better vote for it. Obama who was certainly thinking of higher office, possibly even the presidency, went out of his way to speak out against the war because he thought it was the right thing to do. That is the kind of leader I want for president.
Posted by: Matt | February 7, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm
OMG! Ive been Obamatized!?
Hit me !
Hit me!
I feel good!!!
Posted by: Jack | February 7, 2008, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm
Not only does Obama hide his voluntarily chosen muslim middle name, but he basically presents himself as holier than thou in politics while he’s media-pampered, mainly because Hillary is so farm from the status quo, she’s killing the media guys. Meanwhile, Obama is status quo!
Posted by: PC | February 7, 2008, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm
Everybody gets what they want where the money comes from to pay for all these goodies ask Obama
He is just another snake oil salesman.
Posted by: EGK | February 7, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
People who vote for Obama are doing it for one reason only…he is black, period. That makes them feel good. They think that they are showing that they are not racist.
These are the same people who say that skin color doesn’t matter. I guess it does, doesn’t it?
All he ever says is that he represents change…what changes? He never clearly says. He just preaches platitudes with pregnant pauses and grandiose, pompous oratory.
This fools only those who want to be fooled.
A thinking person who cares about this country should know better, or at least be smarter, than to vote for a man because he is a charismatic black guy.
Our enemies respect only strength, will and action. They will take us all to the woodshed under a cowardly peacenik like Obama.
Posted by: Roger Spikes | February 7, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
“the message is becoming dangerously self-referential. The Obama campaign all too often is about how wonderful the Obama campaign is.”
I’m sorry – what competitive campaign ISN’T?!?!?
And I’m sorry – Obama supports are no more zealous than Ron Paul supporters or anyone else. If you’re afraid of a cult then you need to worry about Huckabee rewriting the Constitution into a Baptist sermon.
Posted by: cek | February 7, 2008, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
Up until now I was undecided between the two candidates. I think Clinton has a better grasp of the issues but Obama is more inspiring. And I honestly was not sure which would be better for America and the presidency. I am grateful for this piece about the cult of obama. I have been feeling that way as well. And then when I read the comments below–I become even more concerned. It becomes clear to me that most of Obama’s supporters do seem to be responding only to a feeling (mostly negative about the other candidate) and not policies and plans. And when I read their comments I realize they seem naive and angry. I don’t want to support that. I live in Ohio. Thanks for helping me make my decision.
Posted by: impartial and weirded out | February 7, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
There is finally some questioning of the great one obama. LOL you obamabites are really too much, you dont have a clue to how he would change anything but believe it. Are you forgetting or do you know that there are 3 branches of government and people in the country that hold different views. Bush came in riding the same white horse and his followers beleived god sent him to them, you all are no better, you try and destroy Hillary because you can’t logically and intelligently compare his accomplishments to hers showing he is ready to serve. If I knew you I would slap you out of this insanity of not questioning his ability, record, accomplishments, and his past.
Posted by: sjl | February 7, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
The posts on here today are at least better than they have been. The sincerity of people is evident and a bit refreshing from last week.
Here is my two cents.
- First of all Obama is not a muslim, but please remember his slum landlord friend who helped him buy his house and contributed mightly to his campaign is a muslim and a supporter of Nation of Islam which is Farrankhan’s racist organization.
Here is what happens to the Democrats in the next few months. Two million democrats voted in primary elections in Michigan and Florida. By any measure Hillary won both those elections with large majorities. If you do not seat those delegates, the Dems can write off Florida and Michigan in November.
The Obamaites will not like this, but with a true War Hero running in McCain and a man with the name Barrack Hussein Obama running on the other side, the Dems will get zero votes from the military, the veterans and their respective families. That is a very, very large group of voters. That same group kept Kerry out of the White House.
Hillary supporters who have seen Obama go negative will not vote for Obama. The jewish population will not vote for Obama. The hispanic population will not vote for Obama. With either Romney or Huckabee as a running mate, the south other than large black populations will not vote for Obama. McCain will win Nevada, New Mexico, Arizona, easily. He will Texas and likely New York. California could even be in play.
Do you get it yet………Obama has no chance of beating McCain,,,,,,,,none
Posted by: ColonelRay | February 7, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
There’s something about Hillary.
That just brings out the “cult” personality in 8 millon thus far.
LOL!
Posted by: Ken | February 7, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
MESSIAH or SANJIAH: If Obama is so
principled shouldn’t he give a detailed speech on the economy, then vote “No” on the Stimulus Package, because under his leadership we can do better than election year pandering?
African-Americans from the start were mostly against the Iraq invasion. And likewise, any Senator from New York is going to vote for the authorization… And now Obama consistantly votes YES on additional funding.
So lets see Obama take a stand, where we say, “Wow, that guy should be president!” Or is he’s just a one-hit-wonder who’s being hyped as the next American idol?
Yes, people are over-exploited. With Clinton/Obama we might get better healthcare coverage. Otherwise, without campaign finance reform, it would take violent revolution to alter the status quo. And Obama said he ain’t looking for a fight.
Posted by: david | February 7, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
Nice work, Jake, carrying the Right Wing water on framing and marginalizing. “Cult.” Readers of Lakoff will recognize immediately what’s meant to be invoked. And none of it is good. How about “strength,” “hope,” “diversity,” “leadership.”? Hmm? Reagan was a “uniter.” Obama is a “cult” leader. The MSM Village is pathetic.
Posted by: Jim M | February 7, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
Not only does Obama hide his voluntarily chosen muslim middle name, but he basically presents himself as holier than thou in politics – two reasons why the republicans will rip him to shreds if he became the democratic nominee. But they won’t destroy Hillary because she’s very strong. I’m a supporter of Hillary. She is change!
Posted by: PC | February 7, 2008, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm
earlier posters were right about ‘cult’ being a consistent sign of intolerance. it’s a slipper word always used to try and strip power from something people find meaningful. it’s too bad that this election is making visible some really ugly things about america.
Posted by: Matt | February 7, 2008, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm
Finally, a writer who echos my very concern about Sen. Obama. Folks! We don’t know this man! This fact does worry me a little. While I think he is probably a good person, I would like cooler heads to prevail as we rush headlong into an important decision.
We do know Hillary and we know what to expect from her. Sen. Obama would be a great choice in four to eight years assuming he vets well and as we get to know him better. He’s young and can wait. It also disturbs me that the “right wing” seems to want him as the Dem. candidate. Ever wonder why?
I’m sure there will be ample dirt piled on him should he be the nominee.
Posted by: J.D. | February 7, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
BARAK OBAMA IS A WELL SPOKEN, LIKEABLE HUMAN BEING, WITH A GREAT WIFE AND FAMILY, AND FEW YEARS IN GOVERNMENT.
BUT, NOT ENOUGH EXPERIENCE TO SUDDENLY BE CATAPULTED ONTO THE WORLD STAGE OF LIONS, TIGERS, AND BEARS.
FURTHER, AS ANOTHER WRITER HERE STATED, HE HAS NOT GIVEN US ANYTHING OF SUBSTANCE TO INDICATE HOW HE WOULD GOVERN THIS COUNTRY. NEVER MIND HOW HE WOULD DEAL WITH THOSE WHO WANT OUR DESTRUCTION.
I BELIEVE TODAY TOO MANY AMERICANS ARE BEING DRIVEN BY EMOTIONS AND PULLED BY THIS MANTRA OF “CHANGE” WITHOUT AN EXPLANATION, ALL TO OUR OWN PERIL.
ENTHUSIASIM DOES NOT TRUMP EXPERIENCE.
AND, EXPERIENCE BY OSMOSIS, ALONG WITH TOO MUCH BAGGAGE, ANOMOSITY AND A VERY DEVIOUS PAST, DOES NOT A GOOD PRESIDENT MAKE.
Posted by: Mary T. | February 7, 2008, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm
JFK and Reagan have huge cult followings also.
Posted by: JT | February 7, 2008, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm
Ok. The dude is seriously charismatic. A great orator. But WHAT IS HE GONNA DO W/POWER once he has it? He won’t say. The only policy declaration that Ive heard him make is that he’ll withdraw all troops from Iraq in the first 90 days of his administration. I can’t support this. See what’s happening in Darfur? How many dead in the purges after we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory in Viet Nam? Look what happened with Bosnia in the power vacuum created by the dissolution of the CCCP. Would all of you 20yo i dealists wish such things on the Iraqi people? Would you sleep well with that blood on your hands? This is my opinion. You’ll shout me down, I’m sure. But before you do, at least think a little. Don’t let your emotions make this decision. Maybe you are all smarter than I, but that doesn’t count if you make decisions based on what you feel rather than what you think.
Posted by: Kevin | February 7, 2008, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
Let us not forget that the Communist Revolution in Russia was “change”, and many people were eager to support it after being promised a New Way. What did they get? Change alright: Millions starved, tortured and killed; economic slavery; mental slavery; limited freedom to travel; no freedom of religion…etc., etc. Shall I go on? Until Obama gives you a complete platform, and tells where all the money to pay for it all comes from, he is not a candidate….he is merely a cult leader for the masses who are looking for a Messiah to save them, not realizing he is just a man….a man with no experience running ANYTHING, a man who belongs to a black church which owes its allegiance to Africa (no the USA), a man with a very questionable youth, and a man with a 100% liberal voting record (when he actually decided to show up in vote) in his very short term in national office as a Senator. The blind are being led….hysterics. Truly, this “bread and circus” show is showing the dark side of Democracy — MOB RULE.
Posted by: John | February 7, 2008, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm
Interesting! Clinton has challenged Obama to a series of debates going forward and Obama has said no to them. . . wonder why? Hmmmm, could it possibly be because he’d be shown for the empty suit that he really is? Just what is he so afraid of-having to finally define what he means by ‘change’ Just keep throwing your $25 donations away to the new Political T.V. Evangelist. . . maybe he’ll throw in a vial of that special healing holy water for just $15 more like the other T.V. preachers do. It’s the Emperor’s new clothes I fear and it’s a real shame so many people are biting!
Posted by: Nala | February 7, 2008, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm
HERE HERE!!!
as an athiest i’ve been turned off by the direction of this campaign.
he doesn’t need to accept contributions from lobbyists – he just passes the basket around the church of obama and everyone puts in some $. talk about constituents… or should i say congregates…
Posted by: Lauren Bishop | February 7, 2008, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm
If you think the Obama campaign is some sort of a cult, almost half the country has joined in. If you want to compare Obama to a “Savior” you could be on to something. One would speak the truth in love, advocate for others, and inspire unity and not division. It’s about time we have this kind of CHANGE!
Posted by: Sherry | February 7, 2008, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
did you see Obama’s wife looking over his shoulder when they voted the other day? Good message to young people, let’s cheat at the voting booth. Or maybe she couldn’t remember who she was supposed to vote for?
Posted by: okdokethen | February 7, 2008, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
“Patriotic American” how do you then explain Obama’s win in all white, very conservative Iowa? The media plays up racism as being far worse than it is in most of the country. If Obama loses it will not be because of his skin colour. Same with Hillary for her gender. The fact is there are tons of women already in high level positions, look at Pelosi (3rd in line!), Rice, Female elected Governors, and so on. Man, I’d vote for Maggie Thatcher if she were running, but Hillary is anything but–far from real leadership and bold ideas but yes, attack politics and slime the oppostion is her only way to succeed! Again, if Hillary loses it will not be because of her gender but becasue people have woken up to the old Clinton machine.
MJames, welcome aboard the cross platform bandwagon! Yes “We” Can!
Posted by: Dennis | February 7, 2008, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm
this whole article is such a waste, but, there is some truth to it though, I remember being young and knowing Latinos that had Saints and a pic of JFK surrounded by candles. As a christian I think back now at how wierd that was, but that was just thier way of showing respect. And the whole part of being vague in his speeches, I drove 3 hours about 2 weeks ago to see him speak and was pleased at how he laid out detailed plans, and his website has a blueprint for change that is very detailed. So so don’t listen to what the media feeds you, seek out the information on your own then make your argument.
Posted by: Donna | February 7, 2008, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm
Tiger Woods doesn’t talk his game…he plays it! I don’t see any evidence That Obama has ever done much more than talk a good gome.
Posted by: Tom in MA | February 7, 2008, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm
Interesting article. It does seem cultish. Obama is clearly engaging and bright. He may even be capable of being a good President–now or in the future.
That being said, the Presidency is a huge job. Obama–as well as the remaining viable candidates–needs to be subject to a high level of scrutiny and vetting.
If national media’s acceptance of spin that Tony Rezko (first ever contributor to an Obama campaign, fellow whose wife spent several hundred thousand dollars to help effectuate the Obama family’s home purchase and who–at Obama’s solicitation–became a client of Obama’s law firm) was “just one of hundreds of contributors” and
“Hillary’s being in a photo with Rezko demonstrates she’s tied to him too” is any indicator–then that scrutiny and vetting simply is not occurring.
Posted by: midwesterner | February 7, 2008, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm
To liken his supporters to a cult, when in actuality there hard working americans who just believe they’ve found someone differenct, a cut above, removed from the typical lies and muck of washington, and then to compare a few isolated incidents to a cult, you now cast an entire movement of citizen activation and involvement the likes of the Democratic party has never seen before as a cult? Give me a break.
Posted by: this is sad | February 7, 2008, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm
I’m sick of the media giving Barack Obama a pass. They have done this since he began his campaign. When is the questioning going to come? There is a strong anti-military streek in the black community and that’s why he voted against the Iraq war. No one in the media dare say that (not even Chris Matthews) for fear of being called a racist.
Posted by: Kent | February 7, 2008, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm
The American public has been immersed in the politics of fear generated by the republicans for 8 years. A message of hope, poiisbility, and “what happens to one of us, happens to all of us” is a welcome message…we are slowly emerging from a sleepy cynacism. Barack Obama has awakened something in Americans.
Posted by: Jim White | February 7, 2008, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm
This blog and many of these ignorant comments are all typical of the media and all that surrounds it. They love to take things in a direction that gives them new stuff to jump onto and rant about. First, for those who don’t know Obama’s positions he has clear positions, go to his site and read them don’t just whine. Use your brain people. Think for yourselves. Use Google, use CSpan. Messianic? I think not. Inspirational? Certainly. Change? The “Beltway” needs to go, no question about it. The sooner the better, and Jake Tapper, you, my dear, are part of the “Beltway”. Joe Klein? Beltway, for sure. This country has needed to have a complete governmental shake-up for a long time, as long as I’ve been voting which has been well over 30 years. Failing a military coup, Obama is the next best thing.
Posted by: Taffy Todd | February 7, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
Obama is as phoney as a 3 dollar bill…..
First of all. Obama is a WHITE man! So let’s quit calling him black! Okay?
Second, Obama is a MUSLIM!
Third, Obama is the farthest LEFT-WING politician in the Senate!
So, what’s the big “change” he’ll bring? WE dunno, HE won’t say. Great!
And why would the people elect a White-Muslim-Radical Leftist??? It ain’t going to happen.
I just hope we have an open debate about this without censorship and with some honesty.
Posted by: Kirk | February 7, 2008, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm
Allow me to make a few translations from Clintonese to English:
“Obama is afraid to debate Hillary”
translates as
“I’ve forgotten the DOZENS of Democratic debates that have occurred in the past year.
“Obama is all style and no content” =
translates as
“I get all my information on politics from snippets of victory speeches and find it inexpedient to actually READ up on a candidate’s positions, LISTEN to an interview or WATCH a debate.
“Obama will only carry the black vote”
means
“I fear people with more melanin than me and can’t read a statistic to save my life.”
“Obama is divisive/racebaiting/yadayadayada”
means
“Karl Rove taught me to analyze the candidate I support, collect their biggest faults and and try like hell to stick them to the opposition.”
Posted by: Lorinda | February 7, 2008, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm
Why is Obama still considered a leading canidate? Almost every state he’s won is a red state that the Democrat will not win in November.
Posted by: zx9 | February 7, 2008, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm
Perhaps the fact that half of America is rallying behind Obama the way they are showes just how desperate Americans are for change. Times are tough in America right now (for many)-like it or not, many people are disatisified with the direction this country is heading.
Politicians need to take heed of this Obama fervor and realize just how anxious Americans are to take this country in a new direction. Although, I have no idea what direction Obama plans to take us. I do feel like he listens and will represent the masses, who quite frankly feel like they have been muted by the current administration.
Posted by: Fleahman | February 7, 2008, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm
I am a long time independent conservative living in Texas. Now that McCain has basically wrapped up the Republican nom, I am torn on whom to vote for in the Texas Primary. On one hand, I should vote for Hillary, as there is no way she will be president. If you think Bush can divide a nation, you haven’t seen anything yet should she get the White House. If she goes against McCain, she loses. On the other hand, If the US slips into the Twilight Zone and Billary does get the Oval Office, I think I may move to Australia. To prevent that from happening, I should vote for Obama, just to do my part to make sure she doesn’t get the chance to wreck the US like her hubby did (and before you ask, I offer the USS Cole, Black Hawk Down, The first Twin Towers attack, Sarajevo, etc, etc, etc…). I would rather see McCain in than Obama, but I would rather see Obama than Hillary.
Posted by: Eddie T. | February 7, 2008, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm
Tom in Ma, Please enlighten us about his “plans”. Another empty “phrase”. An “empty” suit!
Posted by: KansasGirl | February 7, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm
it’s real easy to see, just watch the folks behind Obama during his next rally. Glazed eyes, nodding their heads up and down at his every word. Crazy transfixed smile. Scary as hell.
Posted by: okdokethen | February 7, 2008, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm
I am so offended that this article would actually compare Obama supporters to a cult. That comparison is wrong on so many levels. I would exspect this kind of article from Fox News, but not abcnews. I guess there is really no differences between the two news stations. I support Obama, people should just stop with the negative comentary and just focus on the fact that Obama is inspiring people to vote again, he is bringing out the youth vote and inspiring us that we can make a difference, that is a good thing.
Posted by: Helena486 | February 7, 2008, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm
Sen. Obama seems like a extremely fine individual, but he also seems to lean more toward Socialism than any other candidate who has ever come onto the scene. Socialism is usually the death knell for a Country, yet the Obama masses seem willing to embrace it with a passion. I am amazed that people are willing to entrust their lives, their families lives, and their economic health to someone who has no plan….nice as he seems, he has no plan…he states he would like to deal with the millions of illegal aliens “humanely”, pull the troops out, and give everyone insurance….but I have never heard him explain “how”. This isn’t Shangri-La…it is the real world, with dangerous undertows. If he has answers, he needs to tell us.
Posted by: joanne | February 7, 2008, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm
Perhaps the fact that half of America is rallying behind Obama the way they are showes just how desperate Americans are for change.
Posted by: Fleahman | Feb 7, 2008 5:21:46 PM
Fleahman,
We should all remember that the US is divided aprox 1/3 Dems 1/3 GOP 1/3 Independents… 1/2 of the Dems are rallying behind Obama.. that is aprox 1/6 of the American voters.
Posted by: Mike | February 7, 2008, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm
“You don’t know the man”, one says. “Hope, what’s political savvy about hope,” another cries? My questions to you is………What man do you really know?
Did you know Bill would have sex with Lewinsky in the oval office? Did know Bush would bankrupt our country and rewrite the constitution to justify his greed? Did you know thousands of American in New Orleans would beg for our government to send water? Did you know Bush was going to eliminate the reorganization mechanism called, bankruptcy right before Americans began loosing their property? Who do you know?
Close your eyes. Now, does Senator Obama’s hope message sound nonpolitical? Hope is politics and politics is hope. That’s why thousands of young people rally around the only winning message……..the message of hope, the message of yes we can.
YOU……….and the rest of YOU………..did nothing to give our young men and women hope. These are your children, and my children begging for help, and the ONLY candidate who answered their call is Senator Barack Obama. This man is giving our young people hope they can save a dying America. Afterall you won’t be here. Hope they can see a color-blind America. Hope they will have jobs. Hope they will be able to travel the world without fear. Hope they will not have to continue to live in fear. Hope you will eventually come on board and become a blessing to their lives.
Now, what do you know? Not much………………..but, you know you can have HOPE, the closest reality to spiritual intervention and hard work.
Senator Obama is not an idiot. Actually he’s a brilliant man, who is not afraid to excite change. Oooooooooh a bad word, that change. Change is difficult, and even you must admit it takes a man to even want to tackle the idea of change.
I only ask you to be an American just ten minutes out of your day everyday, and with that alone you will have hope and may possibly begin to chant………..”YES WE CAN.” Stand behind a man who ony wants the best for a dying America.
Posted by: Sylvia | February 7, 2008, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm
“You don’t know the man”, one says. “Hope, what’s political savvy about hope,” another cries? My questions to you is………What man do you really know?
Did you know Bill would have sex with Lewinsky in the oval office? Did know Bush would bankrupt our country and rewrite the constitution to justify his greed? Did you know thousands of American in New Orleans would beg for our government to send water? Did you know Bush was going to eliminate the reorganization mechanism called, bankruptcy right before Americans began loosing their property? Who do you know?
Close your eyes. Now, does Senator Obama’s hope message sound nonpolitical? Hope is politics and politics is hope. That’s why thousands of young people rally around the only winning message……..the message of hope, the message of yes we can.
YOU……….and the rest of YOU………..did nothing to give our young men and women hope. These are your children, and my children begging for help, and the ONLY candidate who answered their call is Senator Barack Obama. This man is giving our young people hope they can save a dying America. Afterall you won’t be here. Hope they can see a color-blind America. Hope they will have jobs. Hope they will be able to travel the world without fear. Hope they will not have to continue to live in fear. Hope you will eventually come on board and become a blessing to their lives.
Now, what do you know? Not much………………..but, you know you can have HOPE, the closest reality to spiritual intervention and hard work.
Senator Obama is not an idiot. Actually he’s a brilliant man, who is not afraid to excite change. Oooooooooh a bad word, that change. Change is difficult, and even you must admit it takes a man to even want to tackle the idea of change.
I only ask you to be an American just ten minutes out of your day everyday, and with that alone you will have hope and may possibly begin to chant………..”YES WE CAN.” Stand behind a man who ony wants the best for a dying America.
Posted by: Sylvia | February 7, 2008, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm
Please.
This happens every time something or someone achieves strong popularity. For some reason our society has become compulsively counter-culture. That is to say, once said thing or person attains a “cultural phenomenon” level of popularity, some people begin to compulsively lash out against it. It’s not a reasoned reaction at all. It’s a very compulsive, instinctive lashing out against whatever is currently popular.
Sure, there are some people out there who are hyper-enthusiastic about Barack Obama. However, their enthusiasm is not unfounded. He is an articulate, eloquent speaker, a skilled politician, an incredibly intelligent man, and also very charismatic. He gives a sense of genuine sincerity in his words, and talks to the American people as peers–not as sheep who need to be led to a voting booth. He’s not someone who has long-held ambitions for the white house, and he’s willing to make this campaign not about him, but about us, the people. He recognizes that changes within government legislation and policy will never come about without a strong movement of the American people. This is all a definate “breath of fresh air” from what we have come to expect from politicians for so long, and I think that many people find this extremely appealing.
Furthermore, it has been shown that statistically, Barack Obama supporters tend to be made up of the intelligent, well educated peoples of this nation. Is say this not as a boast, but rather as support for my argument that his supporters are intelligent people who come to reasoned decisions and do not give way to the “cultish” fanaticism this article is trying to project uppon them. Barack’s most public supporters are highly educated and highly respected cultural figures, journalists, and public servants of all backgrounds.
This article, in my opinion, is very, very much in line with the compulsive social habit to rebel against whatever is popular at the moment. Though some supporters are clearly very enthusiastic, it is wrong to try to push this idea of them being fanatics or evangelical-like.
Posted by: Nick | February 7, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm
The media started this love fest and all the excitement junkies jumped on board. I once saw a riot get started during the course of a peaceful protest. Obama’s campaign seems to have taken on a life of its own just like that riot. All the crazies on the fringes seem to have joined in and are creeping out the Non-Obama supporters. Now the republicans are feeding the crazy fringe Obama supporters with their mantra of Clinton hate and most of them are drinking it in along the rhetoric of hope and unity. Very, very scary! Obama is not a bad option, he just isn’t the best and if the fervor gets any greater, it might turn potential supporters away.
Posted by: MaryH | February 7, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm
I didn’t want to comment, but to suggest that only the Obama-supporters are spewing hate-filled remarks is a little ridiculous.
Posted by: George | February 7, 2008, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm
Heh Rufus, I know exactly what I “sacrifice” for the “non-producers” in America, “MY” paycheck.
Posted by: KansasGirl | February 7, 2008, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm
The Obama supporters say they want change yet they compare Obama to politicans of the past: JFK, RFK, MLK, Paul Wellstone, etc.
Hillary Clinton is change.
Posted by: Henry | February 7, 2008, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm
What is wrong with having passion for a candidate? JFK supporters felt much the same way. I think you’re going a bit to far with this article. Obama is inspiring people to take part in politics, and I can find no fault in that. The mere fact that people seem to adore him is not odd at all. Americans have been waiting a long time for a candidate worth voting for, and their passion is understandable….we’ve had an idiot in office for the past 8 years!
To all the posters who said he will never get to be president, please prepare yourselves to be dissappointed!
Posted by: Nikki | February 7, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm
In this age of mass apathy, cynicsm, and dependence irony, I suppose I can see why genuine enthusiasm for ANYTHING would be seen as “strange.”
But that doesn’t mean I think it’s right. Being “creeped out” by people who are actually enthusiastic about something and compulsively lashing out against that which is embraced by the public is, in my opinion, a weak, easy response.
Posted by: Nick | February 7, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
What a perfect description of the Obama following. When Obama raises 5 mil after Tues — ooh he is so great !!! when Hillary raises 4 mil in 24 hrs after Wed — ooh she is sooooo bad and its a ‘stunt’! Obama supporters can’t trash her enough !!!! go figure.
Posted by: dgfromtx | February 7, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
joanne said:
“Sen. Obama seems like a extremely fine individual, but he also seems to lean more toward Socialism than any other candidate who has ever come onto the scene. Socialism is usually the death knell for a Country, yet the Obama masses seem willing to embrace it with a passion. I am amazed that people are willing to entrust their lives, their families lives, and their economic health to someone who has no plan….nice as he seems, he has no plan…he states he would like to deal with the millions of illegal aliens “humanely”, pull the troops out, and give everyone insurance….but I have never heard him explain “how”. This isn’t Shangri-La…it is the real world, with dangerous undertows. If he has answers, he needs to tell us.”
I agree, joanne, and I’m amazed at almost no one cares that Sen. Obama isn’t saying, or explaining, ANYTHING!
Posted by: Charlie F | February 7, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
and if cult members can’t convert you, they get angry and wicked, and try to use any form of pyschological propaganda they can to get their way. Don’t fall for it, let them expend their venom and waste their breath. It’s the same old rhetoric from them anyway. Bash the Clintons, hate the Clintons. Everyone who doesn’t vote for Obama is ignorant and uneducated. Same old, same old. Don’t fall for it, stay strong.
Posted by: okdokethen | February 7, 2008, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm
After 28 years of Bushes and Clintons in the executive branch, I feel as “born again” to have someone else not of those tribes to support as any Christian has.
Posted by: TNDEM | February 7, 2008, 5:53 pm 5:53 pm
It’s great that Obama supporters want change…but WHAT change is it that you want? Change for the sake of change is not necessarily good. And PLEASE don’t act like no other candidate loves America and doesn’t want to fix anything.
I can’t stand either Hillary or Obama but I will give Hillary that at least she has made some plans clear unlike Obama.
So have passion for politics, it’s a good thing. But please understand what is driving your passion and make sure it is well placed because if not it can be very dangerous
Posted by: Colin | February 7, 2008, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm
i haven’t been able to put my finger on what was so disturbing about obama’s campaign. now i see. oprah’s followers are cultish, and now we see it with obama. it’s not just the republicans that like to be lead around on a leash. everyone wants someone to become their mommy or daddy, and the dems are treating obama like a demigod. it IS sick!
Posted by: Blue | February 7, 2008, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm
Maybe it’s cute to refer to Obama’s supporters as a cult. Maybe you don’t think of the word “cult” in its most insidious form – the brainwashing, the breaking of will, the manipulation to do reprehensible things in order to please the “leader” or “Messiah.”
But when you throw “helter-skelter” out there, you’re drawing a correlation between Obama and Charles Manson, a mass murderer. Do you think Obama is brainwashing his supporters? Do you think we’re going to have riots in the streets if he’s not named the Democratic nominee? Do you think Obama is planting the seeds for mass murder in his name?
He’s not perfect, he’s not Jesus, he’s not infallible. He is a good candidate and he is inspirational. It is shameful that you would see those inspirational qualities and connect them to something so horrific and misguided as Charles Manson’s murder spree. You owe Barack Obama an apology, not to mention the millions of good and decent people who find themselves inspired by him.
Posted by: Sky Bluesky | February 7, 2008, 5:58 pm 5:58 pm
good for you Blue, to realize what’s going on.
Posted by: okdokethen | February 7, 2008, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm
18 to 40 year olds are flocking to Obama because, unlike the greatest generation which actually did something positive for our country and the world, the baby boomers (led by Bush & Clinton) have totally screwed everything up and we’re tired of it!
Posted by: Jon | February 7, 2008, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm
“i haven’t been able to put my finger on what was so disturbing about obama’s campaign. now i see. oprah’s followers are cultish, and now we see it with obama. it’s not just the republicans that like to be lead around on a leash. everyone wants someone to become their mommy or daddy, and the dems are treating obama like a demigod. it IS sick!” good for you Blue, to realize it!
Posted by: okdokethen | February 7, 2008, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm
Mark Robinson: FANTASTIC post! Thank you for your contribution.
SeeTheLight: It strikes me that your knowledge of Barack Obama is likely limited to a few clips you saw once of his rallies or victory speeches. I say this because that is the only way I can imagine that you’d feel comfortable calling him a charismatic, “empty suit.” You’ve clearly never seen his addresses to the Chicago Council on Foreign Affairs, or his talk at the Google headquarters, or his interview with the San Francisco Chronicle, or bothered to read up on his many stances on the various issues on his site. If all you’re watching is his rally speeches where his main goal is to rally support, then you’re not going to see those hour+ long addresses where he fully articulates his stances and plans on issues such as foreign relations, education, healthcare, technology, and more.
Posted by: Nick | February 7, 2008, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm
We GOPers got our act together and now we have the most electable candidate. Will the Dems do the same. Do the Dems really think the nation is going to vote for a return to the Clinton years? The Dems were right when they said McCain was our strongest candidate. Now we owe to the Dems to return the favor. If you pick Obama, you probably win. If you pick HRC, you almost lose for sure.
Posted by: E.Budvis | February 7, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm
Methinks the Obama supporters need to develop a thicker skin if they want him to run for president… if this is the worst that’ll be thrown at him, it’ll be a cakewalk. If you can dish it out about the Clintons or other candidates, you’d better be prepared to take it. From what I’ve seen from these comments, I’m a bit leery of his supporters now, too.
Posted by: mdsdun | February 7, 2008, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm
The gop (clinton included) has a long and violent histroy of murdering those who disagree with them. Even in this country. the left? Never in this country. And we never would. The left believes we are all americans, and rather than divide and conquer and “seperate but equal” we are all one. We (the left) sacrafices much for unity and the american ideals. What does the right ever sacrafice? You sure reep the rewards of the left and freedom. But what does the right ever have to sacrafice? Other than their credibility?
Posted by: rufus1133 | Feb 7, 2008 5:28:04 PM
Hey Rufus,
Congrats on your new job as spokesman for the “Left”. With people like you on our side we are in sad shape. Any wonder that 2/3 of this country thinks we are the “Looney Left” Please do us a favor and do not be on our side.
Posted by: Jimmy | February 7, 2008, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm
Why is it surprising that his followers are like a cult? Look at Obama’s eyes, they are pure evil!
Posted by: UBS | February 7, 2008, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm
RUFUS: good lord, man. People are allowed to have their own views in this country. Get a grip.
Posted by: mdsdun | February 7, 2008, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm
The point is Obama has not defined himself in any way except to say “change”, and how his followers seem not to care about this. I will be harsh and define Obama followers as morons. Please you are the people who should just stay home, PLEASE.
Posted by: Sparky | February 7, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
Some Obama supporters remind me of those old ladies who listen to an Evangelist and mail in their few dollars through guilt feelings.
Posted by: DONO | February 7, 2008, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm
Yes, I understand what you are saying Jake However whilst there seems to be a certain cultish quality to what’s going on in America right now, is it really such a bad thing? Obama preaches hope, he urges change and he arouses the interest of the youth in politics again. Surely, if there were a cult with similar aims – would it be such a bad one? I have read Obama’s answers to the issues on his website whilst I’m not an American citizen, I have a limited understanding of what the country and world needs. From everything I’ve seen and read, I can say that the world needs Obama. Maybe I too have become brainwashed, but I’m willing to bet that it won’t do me any harm!
Posted by: Heather, Jakarta, Indonesia | February 7, 2008, 6:16 pm 6:16 pm
The thing that I caution people on with Obama is that while inspiring talk is worth alot, action and achievement is worth more. I mean lets ‘hope’ Obama does a good job when we have no history of achievement or action. If Obama is elected I cannot wait for him to stand up at a G8 conference and vote ‘Present’ because he likes and dislikes parts of the treaty negotiated.
Posted by: Eric | February 7, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
What is a dual-national? British, US or otherwise
Posted by: frank | February 7, 2008, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm
“…It was brain-dead like you who forced the rest of us to live under the worst president in history for eight freaking years…”
No, Carter was only in the White House for FOUR years.
Posted by: loony lefty | February 7, 2008, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm
OBAMA HAS STAYED POSITIVE AND FOCUSED ON HIS CAMPAIGN, BUT GREEN EYED BLOGGERS WHO REVEL IN THE NOTION OF DIRTY POLITICS, CAN’T FIGURE THIS GUY OUT. HE IS SPEAKING TO ALL PPL W/ HOPE AND INSPIRATION; HE IS TALKING TO THE INNERMOST PARTS OF THE AMERICAN PPL. HE KNOWS THAT EVERY GREAT BATTLE WE ENJOYED IN AMERICAN HISTORY STARTED W/ A DREAM AND HOPE AGAINST HOPE AND OPPOSITION, AND PEOPLE REMEMBER AMERICA’S GREATNESS WHEN HE DOES IT. Haters don’t be jealous b/c he is speaking the truth and inspiring America to be greater, and your candidates are stuck in the past where dirty politics and WHO DID THE DIRTIEST OF ALL WON THE RACE is DEAD. People follow leaders who inspire; not degrade, lie and engrain fear in the hearts of Americans… SI SE PUEDE’
Posted by: Elizabeth | February 7, 2008, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm
Obama is NOT a candidate or a messiah, he is a broken record. If I hear that same speach at the end of another primary election night, I am going to gag!
Posted by: TC | February 7, 2008, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm
The democrats, party of godless renegades, needs something to worship. Why not something or someone like Obama? The mindless masses know nothing about him other than his color. If we are all equal, why are so called, “African-Americans” in the 80 percentile rushing behind the empty suit Obama? Obama appeals to black racists. That little hyphen between African and American is what is dividing America along class and race lines and is the antithesis of the genius of America. e pluribus unum “Out of many…ONE” A nation divided cannot stand.
Posted by: e pluribus unum | February 7, 2008, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm
When are the candidates going to talk about issues? You can keep this ra ra ra, wave the flag and beat your chest, bleeding red, white and blue. My vote will be based on what the candidate wants to accomplish during their term and how they plan on accomplishing it.
I don’t want inspiration I want perspiration.
Posted by: Undecide | February 7, 2008, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm
People born to British subjects any where in the world in the late 50′s & 60′s were dual-nationals? or not?
Posted by: frank | February 7, 2008, 6:23 pm 6:23 pm
Definition of a Cult Member: Any supporter who has to refer to Obama’s website for why he supports him.
Posted by: UBS | February 7, 2008, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm
Just came from Hillary rally in northern Virginia. Great people. Then, there three guys there who did not belong and wasted 3 seats. Later outside, another of BO’s supporters shouting some nonsense. But, we supporters of Hillary are like Hillary and treat all people with respect. BO’s arrogance that he has displayed to Hillary time and time again has infected his supporters. To Hillary supporters I say, ignore them for Hillary is on her way to Victory.
Posted by: benvictor | February 7, 2008, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm
SeeTheLight: I too am from Illinois. And I’m sorry, but I know for a fact that what you have said is simply not true. He’s done a lot for our state. He has passed sweeping ethics reforms in this state and worked as a community organizer in the impoverished South side.
Posted by: Nick | February 7, 2008, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm
Let me help all of you that want to attend an Obama speech like I did.
Hope”…. blah blah blah blah…. “Change”….. blah blah blah… “Poor” …. blah blah blah blah…. “Change” … blah blah blah blah…. “Disenfranchised” …. blah blah blah blah “Hope”…. blah blah blah “Change” …. “Change” … Blah blah blah blah “Change”!
“Yes We Can!”
“Yes We Can!”
“Yes We Can!”
“Yes We Can!”
“Yes We Can!”
“Yes We Can!”
“Yes We Can!”
… fin
There you go ZERO substance all fluff. The guy has no real accomplishments that would qualify him for President of the USA. It’s like promoting the file clerk to CEO.
Posted by: Kucinich2008 | February 7, 2008, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm
I voted for Obama in Georgia but I have to agree that some of the fervor on the part of some Obama supporters has reached the stage of weirdness. That fervor does border on the religious at times and it gave me some pause before I cast my vote and I wish now that John Edwards had not dropped out of the race when he did because I might have cast my vote for him. I hope other Obama people will see that there is a potential problem here because denying it and telling other people that what they see isn’t really what they see isn’t going to make it go away when the feeling that there is something weird seems to be spreading and seems to have come up all at once from a lot of people in a lot of places.
Posted by: Ashley Brooks | February 7, 2008, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm
It is obvious that the bloggers and ppl against change have failed in the desperate attempts to stump the Obama campaign w/ dirt. Let’s see first him being Muslim, then his middle name, then him not pledging allegance to the flag, then his church (oh, but wait I thought he was suppose to be Muslim), then no plan, then Rezko (oh wait, he gave to the Clinton campaign), then the youth want get to the polls, then he only won b/c it was South Carolina (so did Jesse Jackson), throughout it was he can’t withstand the CLINTON MACHINE (oh wait, he took on both HRC and Bill and still standing and the numbers keep rising). GOSH DARNIT, IT MUST BE SOMETHING ELSE W/ THIS GUY LOOK AT THE CROWDS HE IS ATTRACTING, AND THEY ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO THE POLLS AND VOTING… THIS HAS TO BE A CULT… IT HAS TO BE. OBAMA IS ONLY SPEAKING ABOUT CHANGE, HOPE ASPIRATIONS OF A BETTER AMERICA – WHERE IS THE DIRT SLINGING, BACK BITING. THAT’S IT HE MUST BE A CULT LEADER…. —- SI SE PUEDE’ 2008
Posted by: Elizabeth | February 7, 2008, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm
I find the kind of lunatic, paranoid “Obama’s a cult!” postings on this blog a lot more indicitive of fanaticsm than the enthusiastic support of a strong political candidate.
Posted by: Nick | February 7, 2008, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm
What exactly is up with Americans these days? Is it something in the water down there? Are you guys trying to win a collective Darwin Award?
People are excited about Obama, because he speaks intelligently and sincerely and he doesn’t sound like some coked up hillbilly. I don’t blame them for being excited. He can’t possibly do any worse than the current batch of twits peeing in the pool down there in Washington.
Any hayseed who was sucked in not once, but TWICE by the current 2 bit bible salesman should probably just sit quietly while the smart folks figure out this mess you’ve created.
Get a grip.
Posted by: Canuck-i-stanley | February 7, 2008, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm
I don’t understand the claim that Obama is all rhetoric and no substance. If you watched the LA debate, it was a good and even debate focused almost exclusively on the issues. If you look on his website, you will see his health care proposal, his approach to dealing with the mortgage crisis, and his stances on the other important issues. Obama speaks about broader themes because he is a great speaker and this is what inspires people. That doesn’t mean he can’t speak on the issues, it just means he is a good politician. In his case, there is both style and substance.
Posted by: ReillyT | February 7, 2008, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm
Gavy, thank you for speaking up and setting the record straight! Yes, as I mentioned earlier, Obama’s church is unapologetically black and Christian. Other churches are Polich Catholic, or Korean Evangelical, or Hispanic or whatever. And there’s nothing wrong with that! I’ve read your programmes. They are great. If I was ever in Chicago I’d want to visit. Your church is placed there for a distinct purpose, to do what I (or most of our churches around here), as mainly whites, could not do. Keep it up! :)
–Yes WE Can!
Posted by: Dennis | February 7, 2008, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm
this is lies spin and propoganda. I am a former Army infantry soldier 11B. I’m goin ggoing to let these traitors lie and discredit the next president of the us. Disenfranchise his supporters and besmerach his good name.
Posted by: rufus1133 | Feb 7, 2008 6:24:00 PM
Rufus,
I will say this, you are the poster child for the fact that the US has failed our Vets when it comes to mental health issues. Brittney has checked out, there is room for you in the hospital.
Posted by: Jimmy | February 7, 2008, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm
As a conservative I must say that there is no one running that gives me “hope” or a promise of real “change” except from one person to another.
When Clinton was first elected there was also a cultish euphoria as there was when Carter was elected.
The best the Dems have is a Marxist and a Muslim.
By the way, JFK won the ’60 election when paper ballots got “lost” on the Chicago freeway and did not show up untill after the California polls closed. And now there is another “JFK” coming out of Chicago?? NOBODY gets to be a Senator from Chicago without the mob behind him.
I am 59 and to thoes who think we screwed things up; well, it’s your turn and so far the best you’ve produced is “Jackass” the movie & Bevis and Butthead. Go for it!!!!
Posted by: Revoir | February 7, 2008, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm
“I find the kind of lunatic, paranoid “Obama’s a cult!” postings on this blog a lot more indicitive of fanaticsm than the enthusiastic support of a strong political candidate.”
Nick: I couldn’t agree with you more. It’s really sad.
Posted by: Mark | February 7, 2008, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm
obama scares the hell out of me! someone jokingly said a few months ago that he was the antichrist and now i’m starting to believe it. he doesn’t really have a clear stance on anything…he just keeps using his buzzwords of “change” and “we can do this together”. are we all a bunch of dumb blind sheep?
Posted by: liz | February 7, 2008, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm
What does Obama stand for?
Posted by: John W | February 7, 2008, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm
WOW!! This article really hit home with me! I am so glad somebody else said what I’ve been thinking! To me it seems like this Obama has these fools brainwashed or something! All he talks about is “hope and change” with no substance whatsoever!! He thinks he’s God, his “followers” thinks he’s God and the pundits/media thinks he’s God. Well, I love GOD (the REAL one!) but we don’t need a “god” leading our country!!
Posted by: AlwaysforHillary | February 7, 2008, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm
Isn’t it just possible that modern politics has forget the MEANING and PURPOSE of politics : ie, how we as human beings choose to build our common destiny together ?
And someone like Obama who dare to bring us back to the roots of why we do politics, will of course sound “naive” , and his supporters too enthousiastics, to those who have long forget the big picture – why the hell is politic about ?
My belief is that Obama hasn’t even start to talk yet. Just let him face McCain, and you will start to hear about “peace”, “fraternity”, “human life”, and so. Words that have left political talk for far too long.
Posted by: Cecile | February 7, 2008, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm
Obama also says that Hillary’s supporters will all vote for him, but he is not so sure that his supporters could vote for her. His own wife says she isn’t sure she would vote for hillary if she is the nominee. More cult-like assertions–WE are the only ones with the truth. (Not much of a uniter here, eh?)
Posted by: Tricia | February 7, 2008, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm
I suppose that at the very least I can take comfort in knowing that the kind of ridiculous paranoia I see on this blog is not something that intelligent people will ever buy into.
What a fantastically offensive blog article.
Posted by: Nick | February 7, 2008, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm
“obama scares the hell out of me! someone jokingly said a few months ago that he was the antichrist and now i’m starting to believe it. he doesn’t really have a clear stance on anything…he just keeps using his buzzwords of “change” and “we can do this together”. are we all a bunch of dumb blind sheep?” – Liz
Just go to his website. He elaborates on his positions on the issues there (all the candidates do the same thing).
It isn’t rocket science.
Posted by: ReillyT | February 7, 2008, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm
Wow. There’s a lot of COINTELPRO in here.
Looks like Bill Clinton’s CIA connections haven’t faltered.
P.S. We know who you are guys. Nice try.
P.P.S. When Obama wins the nomination, I hope you’ll find a new career in propaganda-mongering.
Posted by: Mark | Feb 7, 2008 6:29:36 PM
Mark,
you got me, I confess. I work for the
CIA, and I was hired by Bill Clinton to smear Obama. Now tell the truth, you’re just trying to make my Bro Rufus not look so crazy! right?
Posted by: Mike | February 7, 2008, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
doesn’t this tell you something about the public’s concerns about Hillary? The country been on a spiral downhill for some time and so many see Obama as the person who can save the country they love from furthering that spiral by being sentenced to 2 more terms w/ the Clintons!
At what point will the media stop simply reporting what Hillary wants it to report and actually ask some probing questions? I guess if they had any intention of doing that, they would have during Bush’s and Clinton’s run-up to war in Iraq!
Posted by: chuck | February 7, 2008, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
Obama supporters, please don’t be fazed by these blog. I guess when people don’t understand what it means to stand up for something you believe in, they interprete it as whatever . Much work needs to be done, more delegates to be won. Let’s get to work.
Posted by: Reasonably So | February 7, 2008, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
Sounds like the Party Elite are getting scared. Obama isn’t trying to relate to you. He’s trying to relate to the disenfranchised in fly-over country. The very same people abandoned by the Democratic Party a decade ago when they became a regional party.
He appeals to those who were carpet-bagged and huckstered by the Bush Doctrine. This isn’t EVANGELICAL at all. This is honoring and respecting all Americans. Not just those that share your political beliefs, love of cheese/wine, and regional superiority.
This is just good ole’ fashion church talk. This isn’t a revival tent. A president shouldn’t be a policy wonk, he should be a compassionate leader who is not first concerned with his elitist friends. Most importantly he should believe in his abilities and those of America.
Posted by: Ehren Parks | February 7, 2008, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm
“this movement is more than a man. It’s the re-claiming our country from FASCISM. ”
Rufus, seriously, your divisive, demonizing the opposition rhetoric sounds much more in line with the Clinton Camp! Are you sure you’re voting for the right guy, the “unifying” candidate? I think the Clintons are more your style.
You are embarrasing us other Obama supporters with your hate. And yeah, I’m a traditional republican and imagine that, I’d vote for someone black..and a democrat also?! LOL.
Oh and btw, I notice you can’t realistically retort all the evidence pointing otherwise in answer to your your rediclous judgments. I suspect you are jsut here to stir thigns up. So, in reply, some of us hopefully will try to ignore your flares.
Posted by: Dennis | February 7, 2008, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm
This kind of story Jake- says more about your intention to provoke than it does about Obama’s or anyones “supporters”.
To use the fringe of any activist movement as a way to paint the whole of the movement is in a word, dishonest. It leaves an impression for folks that it is a cult. And thats what you seek to do in a “oh I am just reporting what someone said” way!. and of course you know it isn’t a cult. People prone to cultish behaviours are everywhere.Probably when you walk outside and sign autographs you see it.
Are there activist fanatics that find/attach themselves to groups- of course. Should we judge The NY giants today by the silly guys who painted themselves blue at the super bowl. No- It is about THEM not the team.
Obama has moved people to see a new face and a new way to be a politician. There is soooo much hunger for that because people care about their country and their world and because they want meaning. He is providing that for the first time in a long time. If that becomes a religious experience to some then interview them and write a story about peoples hunger for meaning..
To tar a campaign by the fringe crazies just breeds more divisiveness. shame on you
At the core of it all is new found enthusiasm.. there’s your story..
Posted by: Robert24 | February 7, 2008, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm
I just love these fake comments by Republicans allegedly supporting Obama. “Dennis,” a self-proclaimed “white Republican” who supports Obama, writes that “I’m going for real change with an honourable good person.” Honourable? Go back to the UK or Australia, you phony, you’re probably not even an American! Just some random guy from overseas pretending to be supporting Obama. I’m a Republican and I don’t know any Republican who is supporting this faker.
Posted by: JB1979 | February 7, 2008, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm
“Obama supporters, please don’t be fazed by these blog. I guess when people don’t understand what it means to stand up for something you believe in, they interprete it as whatever . Much work needs to be done, more delegates to be won. Let’s get to work.
Posted by: Reasonably So | Feb 7, 2008 6:48:48 PM
”
your right sir. for all their garbage, they are losing. the gop is done. They are riopping themselves toshreds. Clinton would have the dem’s do the same so her real party has shot.
you right. Mccain has zero shot. and clinton is loaning herself money. Just trying to reach out to the “dark side” and save them. Screw em. They are beyond that. Sad pathetic little creatures.
continue. Lie spin and discredit. It’s really produced dividends up to this point gop (clinton included). Keep up the good work\
And to the peanut gallery here. I know my posts must really be on point of all you can do is wisecrack. you cannot touch the substance of my posts. Just like you cannot touch the substance of obama’s message. this sad existance is all you have. Angry bitter powerless hopeless. Enjoy it. You made the bed you sleep in. Enjoy you rirrelevance
Posted by: rufus1133 | February 7, 2008, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
Obama keeps telling his followers, who must think he can walk on water, that he will “change” America and transcend political differences.
Somebody should ask him a three-letter question: HOW?
Obama hasn’t proposed anything concrete except invading Pakistan. When will people wake up and realize that Obama’s message is mere wishful thinking, and that the “emperor’s new clothes” are an empty suit?
I too have the audacity of hope, that Obama will not be elected.
Posted by: Steve Z | February 7, 2008, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm
Yes, Obama the “community organizer”…. Too bad he was wasting time organizing people to demand jobs instead of building businesses that would give them jobs. The empty suit Obama can do little but talk. Point to any real accomplishments, especially any that led to his community improving.
Talk is cheap. I haven’t heard of anything Obama has ever done in his life other than talk, talk, talk…. He belongs in the Senate with Clinton and McCain. This is the worst set of candidates ever — all a bunch of talkers…. No action. No implementation. No management. BS is all they know.
Posted by: TC | February 7, 2008, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm
Best article that I have seen on Obama. Nobody in the media has written an objective story about Obama. We need to hear some criticms of Obama before the general election. We need to know what we are getting before we get it. I am no Clinton fan but I feel as though the media HATES the Clintons more than the republicans.
Posted by: Nick | February 7, 2008, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm
thanks Jake Tapper, for having the courage to buck the media who is so blatantly trying to get Obama elected. Thanks for calling him and his followers out on this.
Posted by: okdokethen | February 7, 2008, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm
You got to say somethign mike. you got no intellegent posts of your own so instead leach off others. It’s all you got. Sad.
you got one real true comment of your own today? Why does a clinton bobble head come to a drudge linked site about obama today?
Posted by: rufus1133 | Feb 7, 2008 6:55:16 PM
Rufus,
After Dennis said you and I were both religious bigots, I thought we would much closer, now you have hurt my feelings. I would post one true comment of my own, but Rufus, you are doing so good without anyone’s help.
Posted by: Mike | February 7, 2008, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm
t looks like the MSM is already looking ahead. They know that the turnouts for the Democrats have been huge, and the turnout for the Republicans have not been. On top of that it is obvious that McCain will be the Republican candidate. It is also clear that Republicans aren’t all that excited about McCain. And then you look at how great of a speaker Obama is compared to McCain. So there is going to be a two candidates, one with excitement that has voters paricitpating in politics like never before and some old washaed up guy that isn’t even well liked by his party.
The MSM needs to start balancing out McCain and Obama to make this election seem like it is going to be a competition. The only way to do this is to demonize the Obama supporters. Start disengaging these people or people that may think about voting for him. To attack Obama would only energize Obama’s supporters more, like they are energized when Clinton attacks Obama. Clinton obviously can’t attack the Obama movement, because she is trying to get these supports to move to her side.
I think we should look at how this attack is going to play out. This must be some sort of trial balloon, and we shall definitely see more of it. What we should remember, that when people see what Obama has and understand him, they are doing something that no polititian has been able to do for over a generation. It is not that the Obama supporters are wacko, it is that no one has been able to engage them, no one has made them feel that they must be a part of the political process or politics fails.
Posted by: Lisa | February 7, 2008, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
Anyone who says that Barack has no real stances on the issues is ignorant and lazy. He has a website, just like the one you’re looking at, where his stances and plans are made crystal clear. Of course, looking that up would take time away from bashing a man you know nothing about.
If Obama supporters seem crazy or cultish to you, perhaps it’s more a reflection of your paranoia and fear over what he might accomplish if elected. We are excited to have a fresh, strong face as our representative. He proposes concepts that nobody in my generation has ever heard from the libs OR the cons. Rather than guiding us down the same broken paths, Obama represents innovation and actually changing this country for the better.
Demonize him all you like – there’s a reason he gains popularity before each primary. It’s because he shows up and speaks the truth to the voters. It’s because he is well-spoken, intelligent, and doesn’t act like a pompous git who just wants the position for the money and power.
I was a prospective Hillary supporter. I am now voting Obama in Texas.
And I am not the only one.
Posted by: J. Grant | February 7, 2008, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
The Republicans are the only chance to save this country.
There is a 90% chance IMHO the following will happen if Obama is elected.
All illegals will be legal, probably 20 million people. The 12 million figure from the Pew HISPANIC Center needs real updating. 85% of the newly legal invaders will register Democrat shifting the delicate Red/Blue state balance totally Blue. Spanish will become a 2nd language equal in status legally to English.
The military will be defanged, taxes will rise, free speech will be silenced (slowly and over time of course) and these are the things the Democrats tell us they will do!!!!
Vote Republican and save America.
Posted by: John Romano | February 7, 2008, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm
“Posted by: J. Grant | Feb 7, 2008 7:09:30 PM”
COME ONE TEXAS. :)
We sure need ya. I talk to a spiritual teacher in san antonio. HE was a paul supporter. I told him they need to make up for there last guy out there. :)
Thanks again. Put in the work out there please. Don’t be scared of the fascists who will not allow any voice or opinon. Fight the fascists out there. The only power the fascits have over you is what you give them. Please texas. Do not go for hillary. All the ilelgals are going to. Please side with america. not china isreal mexico and saudi arabia. AMERICA
Posted by: rufus1133 | February 7, 2008, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm
On MSNBC, after a Bush/Gore debate Chris Matthews (& Peggy Noonan) gushed about how well Bush held his own. It was like Dubya had just fallen off a turnip truck, when in reality, high-office politics & corporate p/r was his whole life. And now Chris is an Obamaholic…
“Hey Matthews, keep this in mind; You hate the Iraq war!”
Posted by: david | February 7, 2008, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm
There is a fine line between ralling people behind Obama and weird Ron Paul internet supporters. But you look like a male hillary supporter so you probably wouldnt know the difference.
Posted by: Joey | February 7, 2008, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm
“I just love these fake comments by Republicans allegedly supporting Obama. “Dennis,” a self-proclaimed “white Republican” who supports Obama, writes that “I’m going for real change with an honourable good person.” Honourable? Go back to the UK …you phony, you’re probably not even an American! Just some random guy from overseas pretending to be supporting Obama. I’m a Republican and I don’t know any Republican who is supporting this faker.”
–JB1979, actually I am very genuine! Yes, I grew up overseas, London to be exact, but I am an American (dual citizen)–happened to be born here and have American relatives. I don’t know where you’ve been but I can tell you though, at least in my Western state I know many conservative Christian Republican (friends) who honestly admire Obama (and, btw, don’t particularly like McCain), but yes, don’t necessarily agree with all his political positions since we are still conservatives, but we like his character, integrity, and leadership abilities.
I just think that we need real change. We need a candidate who can break out of the status quo, really reach across the aisle, and I believe Obama offers that very real chance. I think he is personally honourable, committed and honest..unlike most politicians.
As I’m conservative, I will not vote for McCain since a vote for him is taking the party in a a direction I do not agree with. I’d rather vote for someone I can at least admire personally. (Well. I would force myself to vote for McCain if it’s Hillary on the other side, god forbid!) So, if Obama is the candidate, and the country is going to go a different direction, then I’d rather vote for Obama! I think it will be good for America, and especially good for minorities and race relations in general–showing peopl ewhat a man liek Obama, even with his name, can do! It shows how truly democratic the Sates is. You may not believe it, but if you read my comments throughout this site from several months back you will see I am who I claim to be. And there are also other Republicans who are considering Obama, as evidenced on this site from other comments. Has it ever occurred to you why Obama beats McCain in a match-up but McCain beats Hillary? Have you ever wondered why Obama (rightfully so) claims to have the support of many independents and “even” some Republicans? Well, guess what, smell the coffee, we are real. GO OBAMA!
Posted by: Dennis | February 7, 2008, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm
“The Republicans are the only chance to save this country.
There is a 90% chance IMHO the following will happen if Obama is elected.
All illegals will be legal, probably 20 million people. The 12 million figure from the Pew HISPANIC Center needs real updating. 85% of the newly legal invaders will register Democrat shifting the delicate Red/Blue state balance totally Blue. Spanish will become a 2nd language equal in status legally to English.
The military will be defanged, taxes will rise, free speech will be silenced (slowly and over time of course) and these are the things the Democrats tell us they will do!!!!
Vote Republican and save America.
Posted by: John Romano | Feb 7, 2008 7:13:54 PM
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Really john. Well, why did the gop do nothign abou tthat issue when they had a chance? Who offered the last blanket amnesty? Was it regan?
the gop is in no position to get high and mighty about immagration. I to want to end it and send them home (if they consider mexico their home), but make no mistake. this is a republican issue. The dem’s just want the votes (which is bad). But your party had twenty years to stop illegal immagration. What did they do other than prosper off it?
Illegal immagration helps the gop and hurts the dem’s.
1. social programs are flooded
2. Schools and hospitals are flooded
3. Job market is flooded wages lower
4. housing market prices go up for all rentals.
so yeah it is an issue. But you can’t point the finger and blame the left for everything. Zero accountaiblity and credibility is what destroyed yoru [arty. not obama
Posted by: rufus1133 | February 7, 2008, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm
“The Republicans are the only chance to save this country.
There is a 90% chance IMHO the following will happen if Obama is elected.
All illegals will be legal, probably 20 million people. The 12 million figure from the Pew HISPANIC Center needs real updating. 85% of the newly legal invaders will register Democrat shifting the delicate Red/Blue state balance totally Blue. Spanish will become a 2nd language equal in status legally to English.
The military will be defanged, taxes will rise, free speech will be silenced (slowly and over time of course) and these are the things the Democrats tell us they will do!!!!
Vote Republican and save America.
Posted by: John Romano | Feb 7, 2008 7:13:54 PM
”
Really john. Well, why did the gop do nothign abou tthat issue when they had a chance? Who offered the last blanket amnesty? Was it regan?
the gop is in no position to get high and mighty about immagration. I to want to end it and send them home (if they consider mexico their home), but make no mistake. this is a republican issue. The dem’s just want the votes (which is bad). But your party had twenty years to stop illegal immagration. What did they do other than prosper off it?
Illegal immagration helps the gop and hurts the dem’s.
1. social programs are flooded
2. Schools and hospitals are flooded
3. Job market is flooded wages lower
4. housing market prices go up for all rentals.
so yeah it is an issue. But you can’t point the finger and blame the left for everything. Zero accountaiblity and credibility is what destroyed yoru [arty. not obama
Posted by: rufus1133 | February 7, 2008, 7:21 pm 7:21 pm
yep David, isn’t it strange? Chris Matthews was a blatant Bushaholic in 2000. Now he is a blatant Obamaholic. You wonder who exactly is paying off these people.
Posted by: okdokethen | February 7, 2008, 7:21 pm 7:21 pm
This is in response to the note posted by: Nasir Feb 7, 2008 12:12:03 PM. My dear friend Nasir you are using my article Posted by: Color Blind Feb 7, 2008 12:04:15 PM to support your hatred for Jews. Unfortunately, you did not really read the article and therefore missed the point. All you were able to focus on is Abrams, Kurtz etc… Read the article again; I actually congratulated these people for having the courage to speak against the wave of unfairness against Hillary and the incredible bias for Obama. My dear friend Nasir not only am I COLOR BLIND and proud of it but I am also NOT antisemitic; which you seem to clearly suffer from. Nasir, if this is your real name it means “helper” (I happen to be fluent in Arabic) in Arabic. From your comment you sound more like a HATER than a HELPER and for that I am truly sorry. I don’t know what makes a person like you, who lives in the greatest country in the world, to use a conversation about the democratic primaries between a black Christian man and a white Christian woman and turn it into an antisemitic tirade. If you knew our American history, Jews were at the forefront of the civil rights movement.Remember Michael Schwerner and Andrew Goodman? they were killed along with James Chaney because they were members of the Congress of Racial Equality (CORE) dedicated to non-violent direct action against racial discrimination. That is the problem with hate Nasir, it is BLIND. I hope you find peace in your heart; because what you wrote reflects a lot of what you are feeling about yourself. Salam! Peace!
Posted by: Color Blind | February 7, 2008, 7:21 pm 7:21 pm
now! i get why his church doesn’t recognize the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AS ONE OF THEIR TOP 10 COMMITMENTS BECAUSE IT’S NOT!! OH I GET IT
QUOTED FROM THE ARTICLE:
Instead of remaining silent, Obama should be denouncing Wright for supporting and honoring Farrakhan. Abraham Foxman, the national director of the Anti-Defamation League, suggested as much when he told the Jewish Week that Obama should confront Wright, whom he described as someone who “embraces, awards, and celebrates a black racist.” If Obama is unable to change Wright’s stand, he should leave the church, Foxman said.
Obama’s failure to do so and his close relationship with Wright for MORE THAN TWO DECADES suggest that he not only condones much of what Wright says, he agrees with it.
Posted by: gavy | February 7, 2008, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm
Obama’s campaign seems like a cult of personality, feeding his Obamatons ethereal notions of “change” and “hope” and “unity” but very little substance. Real ideas may lurk underneath, but they seem tangential rather than central to his campaign. It’s the reason I ultimately voted against him on Tuesday. Finally, the media is catching on.
Posted by: Sue | February 7, 2008, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm
I really do not see any White, Male, Republicans supporting Osama. They may just be trying to get anyone else in there other than Hillary. There doesn’t seem to be much difference in Hilary and McCain.
What you are seeing in this article though is Clinton influence at work. ABC wants another Clinton Presidency. Pure and simple Politics. Hillary and Bill have a machine that Obama is just about to get a glimpse of.
Too bad that the Republicans do not have any one other than Huckabee with some standards and some backbone.
Third Party…..ANY ONE?????????????????
Posted by: Johnny B. | February 7, 2008, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm
Lisa, so very well put. That is it exactly!
Posted by: Dennis | February 7, 2008, 7:27 pm 7:27 pm
Joe Klein has zero journalistic integrity ever since he first publicly denied he was the author of the book about Clintons 92 presidency.
I have seen cults in every campaign. I’ve seen a lot of them on Hillary’s camp, and on Obama. This happens to any popular figure, and we have to have a larger context when we write about this. Obama is not a unique phenomena. He is a popular public figured who is adored by his supporters, much like JFK became.
Posted by: sam madino | February 7, 2008, 7:27 pm 7:27 pm
The Obama list of executive decisions: Sign into law, veto, and ‘present’.
Posted by: Doubting | February 7, 2008, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm
“yep David, isn’t it strange? Chris Matthews was a blatant Bushaholic in 2000. Now he is a blatant Obamaholic. You wonder who exactly is paying off these people.
Posted by: okdokethen | Feb 7, 2008 7:21:46 PM
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Another clinton lie. Who has he helped? I don’t watch this guy. He is a moderate sell-out just liek clinton. With matthews clinton doesn’t win nh. Rather than bashing him, clinton supporters, you should be kissing his feet. You owe everythign to matthews. He is not an obama supporter, nor is olberman. Believe me on this one. They are part of the clinton propoganda machine like cnn.
you people can re-write histroy all you want. But you look ridiculous to independant thinkers.
Seriously. What is the differance between bush’s lying propogandists and clintons? Really. They both burn both ends of the candle. They both care nothing about credibility as their followers lie and lie and lie with a care in the world. Clinton is done. Please don’t blame obama. It is her lap dog status for bush that did it to her. She did it to herself. Stop pointing the finger gop (clinton included)
Posted by: rufus1133 | February 7, 2008, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm
What is it with you Obama Haters?Is it
that hes bi-racial?He is a man with a purpose that is to bring us all together
regardless of race,rich or poor,we all
deserve to be treated fairly.Hes different in that he stands up for the masses.Maybe you Republicans want 60 to 100 more years of war which you will get with McCain.I hope you could sleep at night as the soldiers take their own life for the misery that Bush put them in.
Posted by: betty for Obama | February 7, 2008, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm
If Obama is really trying to appeal to the disenfranchised, why is it that his support is primarily among more affluent voters?
Clinton has far more support among low and middle income voters.
This is why Obama wins in caucus states – people who attend caucuses are generally more affluent/active – and why HRC wins in primaries that are actual elections.
Posted by: OtherLisa | February 7, 2008, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm
So many of the ‘anti-Obama’ comments are false. The muslim thing, his church only supporting Africa, the not putting his hand over his heart etc. Please check out these links.
you’re right Newsweek will know better than me a fellow Christian – i’m sorry but i don’t need Newseek to tell me anything other then the news i don’t need them to tell me how to define and recognize DECEPTION this is what i’m talking about DECEPTION MEANS IT seems ok it seems true BUT IT’S NOT! COME ON TINA YOU SEEM SMARTER THEN THAT WHERE IN THE TOP 10 COMMITMENTS ON HIS CHURCH’S “ABOUT US” STATEMENT DOES IT RECOGNIZE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA??????? WHERE?
Posted by: gavy | February 7, 2008, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm
I’ve sensed this same cult like feeling for weeks now. Glad to see I’m not the only one. Rather reminds me of the Pied Piper. He’s not a leader, he’s an enchanter.
Posted by: Nick | February 7, 2008, 7:33 pm 7:33 pm
Great article, I thought it his a lot of really good points.
for this upcoming election, i think there are many things at risk and 2008 will be a huge year of voter turnout to dig America out of the trenches of 8 years of Bush.
but Mccain, just another white male who is war hungry, tempestuous, and war-hungry is not the man to get us out of this mess. he’s not all bad, but not enough good or change that will put american on the right path.
any independent or 3rd party candidate will not have a real chance in this election.
so that leaves the democrats–clinton and obama.
i’ll come out and say that i’d be happier with either of the democrats (both of which have their good and bad points) taking the house of more republicans.
all of that being said though, i definitely think that the better and smarter choice for president would be hillary rodham clinton.
HRC is a better and smarter choice than obama for too many reasons to count.
HRC (compared to Obama, and in some ways Mccain) has raised more money, has more delegates pledged, more superdelegates within the party, more endorsements, more experience, and more of the ability to get America headed in the right direction and prospering again.
now lets tackle what the HRC haters would throw out. first, that she’s too polarizing and she can’t win elections. well, that’s dumb. she’s a twice elected senator from a state that’s never had a female senator, and she’s the first First lady to ever hold an office.
people say she can’t win the nomination. well that’s dumb. she’s beating obama in money, delegates, experience, and campaigning, she’s just winning. now the little tiger Obama is trying to close the gap, but even with all of his efforts and the media, he can’t.
people say she can’t be the republican. stupid. look at some polls, some themselves on RCP, which show Clinton beating Mccain (CNN feb. poll where she won by 3% points). also, clinton is more centrist and at times to the right of both mccain and obama, so letz get off the too liberal horse. clinton will run a better campaign than either of these two boys, and she’ll win.
beyond that, people say hillary is too old-school. stupid, she’s not too old-school, she’s experienced with wisdom under her belt, a hell of a lot more than obama. she will know how to run a better white house and get elected again, um she’s been through it all with her family before. and by the way, obama isn’t so “new,” per his years in dirty Chicago politics, Washington, Rezco scandal, and his complete catering to Oprah and the “oldest” dynasty in America, the Kennedys, which by the way don’t all support Obama. Clinton at least is real, obama is faker than a knock off Gucci bag.
and for those obama people out there, get real. his politics of hope is false hope. he doesn’t know what the hell he’s saying. the obama movement is fake like obama–full of a lot of talk but no action.
obama has never really been tested, he doesn’t have that much experience. so how the hell is he supposed to somehow win the nomination, run a campaign against a veteran Republican and win, and then go to run a white house, and get re-elected? That’s putting a lot of hope into something that’s never been tested, and that’s just stupid.
let’s not forget that democrats might make things more painful by giving obama more false hope going into the Democratic convention, where Clinton will totally take the nomination and go on to make history. even without counting Michigan and Florida, which Clinton totally won, and the superdelegates, which she’s winning, Clinton will win and make history, so just get over obama now and save yourselves the grief.
that’s it.
Posted by: California Craig | February 7, 2008, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm
Obama lama ding dong is a racist – check out his church beliefs..google up obama’a church (trinity united..)and its black value system – they are changing the web site around but if you spend a little time “about us” & “ministry” sections you’ll see what I mean…they also gave luis farrakhan a “man of the year” award, their allegiance is to africa, not america
Posted by: Gare | February 7, 2008, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm
Our country is in serious peril.The economy is in a mess.The housing crisis isn’t over yet and several more people are going to lose their homes.The other shoe is ready to drop with an impending credit crunch or the mortgage insurers going down.The budget deificit is setting us back decades and we are being bailed up by the chineses and the arabs.We have a health care crisis and 50 million and counting without coverage.There is a an unnecessary war going on while there are jihadists waiting to strike.The environment is going to the dogs.GWB does not care.Do any of you care or you think an american idol would do the job.For crying out loud, this is not a beauty pagent.This is the race for presidency of the US and the free world.WE are in a crisis.Elect Hillary or go bust.This is no time to take a chance.Don’t waste time on pettiness.Elect someone who knows, is strong and will get the job done.Go Hillary
Posted by: VPNNathan | February 7, 2008, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm
Ask not what you can do for your country- Ask what your country can do for you….Vote Obama for redistribution of wealth in 2008
Posted by: brian | February 7, 2008, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm
The Republicans say they want Clinton, because it unites their party, the fact is they want Obama, because it will divide our party, because there are a lot people that will not vote black within the DEMS, White ,Jews and Hispanics and no Rep will jump ship. They want to fool us and they are doing it.
Posted by: Charles | February 7, 2008, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm
Viva Huck.
Finally a candidate who knows the real age of the universe.
Posted by: mike | February 7, 2008, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm
Obama 2008: Change you can regret!!
Posted by: Python | February 7, 2008, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm
This is exactly what some of us have been saying. The creepy Jim Jones like followers of Obama. A bunch of goobily gook about change and “We(?)can do it”.
A bunch of sad, clueless yound people looking for something or someone to latch onto.
and
“FINALLY! A news story that is not anti Hillary Clinton. This is the most “dead on” article about Obama so far. It does seem like a cult. His followers seem almost like sheep. It’s scary. His diciples/followers are so taken in that they don’t question any thing about him like only 30 something months in the Senate (most spent running for President), his arrogance, exactly WHERE all this money is coming from???”
RIGHT ON, Fay!
Posted by: okdokethen | February 7, 2008, 7:45 pm 7:45 pm
“Betty for Obama” you write”..I hope you could sleep at night as the soldiers take their own life for the misery that Bush put them in.”
Although I totally agree with you about what’s good about Obama, I have to take note with your last comment here. Let’s not forget Bush got the support of congress…including Clinton and other Dems on what ‘almost everyone’ thought was legitimate intelligence, including GW, and at the time why doubt it? Hussein had indeed had WMD (poison gas, etc) he had used on his own, the Kurds to the North and was in blatant disregard of the no fly zone and inspections etc.. Whether it was a mistake or not, this bought light to the fact how incredibly damaged our systems of spy intelligence network were, mainly in part, I might add, from Clinton’s dismantling of much of it! (Clintons do nothing defense of America after the Cole bombing, first WTC bombing and the like only emboldened the enemies of democracy!) The question is now, if we leave and there is genocide, will we have to go back as McCain states? I don’t know. That is something to discuss elsewhere. I can respect your decision to the US to leave but none of us know for sure if that’s going to be better in the end. (Even Obama is just trying to define some difference for himself here.) It’s easy to play armchair quarterback after the fact.
Posted by: Dennis | February 7, 2008, 7:45 pm 7:45 pm
Nothin’ wrong with a cult now and again.
Posted by: Seamus | February 7, 2008, 7:45 pm 7:45 pm
It’s amazing how many people have drunk from Obama’s kool-aid. His pie in the sky, let’s hold hands and sing Kumbaya, let’s heal the world, come together, post-partisanship, “yes we can” soaring, empty rhetoric is utter nonsense. This guy is either hopelessly naive or a slick huckster.
How can someone running for president be this clueless? American politics is rough and dirty game. It has ALWAYS been this way since the foundation of the republic.
There has never been a sustained period of time in this country’s history where everyone just got along for the sake of feeling good. America has always been too big with too many people protecting and/or pushing their interests and points of view for that to happen. And that’s not necessarily a bad thing.
Posted by: Joel | February 7, 2008, 7:46 pm 7:46 pm
“I’ve sensed this same cult like feeling for weeks now. Glad to see I’m not the only one. Rather reminds me of the Pied Piper. He’s not a leader, he’s an enchanter” Don’t worry Nick, you are not the only one. We won’t get fooled again.
Posted by: okdokethen | February 7, 2008, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm
We have a very unique situation here. We have Clinton, a woman, Obama, a black man and McCain a white man going for the highest office in the world.
We have Clinton who, with or without her doings, brings a lot of baggage to the table.
We have Obama who brings no particular history, but hope to the table.
And, we have McCain who brings a strong military history but a weak domestic program.
We have Clinton who will continue to have partisianship in her program.
We have Obama who has a record of bipartician.
We have McCain who says he is a Conservative, but leans Liberal and tries to be bipartician.
We have Clinton who says she will get our troops out of Iraq within six months.
We have Obama who says he will reduce are military presents in Iraq at a controlled reduction.
We have McCain who says that we will be there for a very long time.
We have Clinton and McCain who represents the same old political ideas.
We have Obama who seems to have new ideas.
We have Clinton who wants to give you every thing that you want. All you have to do is ask for it.
We have Obama who whats to help you but you must help yourself first. You have to earn what you get regardless who you are. Kinda sounds like someone else about 48 years ago.
We have McCain who whats to continue unrealistic tax cuts to areas that shouldn’t have any.
That is what we have to choose from.
Obama is not acting like a Southern Baptist Preacher, but a person who ignites peoples passion to do the right thing. He seems to want to give all Americans the right to change the way Congress has been doing. Voting for anyone else is voting for the same BS that we have seen since Reagan. More Partisianship, more Port Barrel politics and more status quo.
Posted by: Walter Williams | February 7, 2008, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm
Obama campaign is different!
If you think inspiration is cult – then it is!
But, truth is, politics need life and Obama has that aura to bring life in politics. Obama garner enthusiasm! Its not poll driven, its not political calculation, its psychodrama, its a movement!
Hilary can not inspire! So, she behive in the bee-house, creating a class of workforce! Hillary is like a menikin – every minute she thrive with the love of power!
Hilary, when she ever inspired you with her passion? Even when she cries, there are politics; not from her heart, it just flows from her eyes!
Go figure …
Posted by: DuranDuran | February 7, 2008, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm
Obama is right about his followers not voting for Clinton. Remember once you go Obama you can’t go back.
Posted by: Charles | February 7, 2008, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm
This is the man I have been waiting for for nearly 50 years. The man who will set goals and standards that have not been realized since I was young. Part of the job as President is to inspire the country to bigger and better things. This is why I have, for the first time in my life, been a supporter of anyone for the position of President of these United States. If someone wants to call this kind of inspiration a cult, it is unfortunate, but so be it. Inspire me and the country to be bigger and better than we thought we could be.
Posted by: transam98 | February 7, 2008, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm
So unnecessary and irrelevant. Columns like this – an attempt to ‘shape’ current events, rather than report them – are a big reason people dislike the news media.
Posted by: bill | February 7, 2008, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm
This is insane! I keep wondering why Clinton supporters are saying Obama supporters think he is the Messiah.
I am a supporter and know a few more who don’t think he is the Messiah nor should he be called so.
This is a made up story to make Obama supporters look a little less than the hard working people.
Posted by: Zhonni | February 7, 2008, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm
It’s about time Tapper and the media started calling a spade a spade – all the blogs from the Obama cult followers simply confirm everything the article says about them – they are nothing more than mindless sheep
Posted by: yomama | February 7, 2008, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm
MESSIAH or SANJIAH: African-Americans were mostly against the Iraq invasion, whereas any Senator from New York had to vote for the war (Duh!) And now Sen. Obama consistantly votes for additional war funding…So lets see Barack take another principled stand where we then say, “Wow, he should be our President!” Or is he just a one-hit-wonder who’s being hyped as the next American idol?
Posted by: david | February 7, 2008, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm
I wonder if this is an effect of the over-mediation of everything. I’m sure JFK had rock-star status and swooning but maybe it just wasn’t covered as much. So, instead of writing about Obama’s positions you speculate on the psychology of his supporters. Easy enough, ask a few Obama supporters at a rally, reuse some trite quotes from pundits, and throw it on a blog. Done.
Posted by: Tim | February 7, 2008, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm
For those of you who think that Obama is another JFK, Think again, look at your history and you will find that JFK and Nixion DIVIDED this nation and that the election was very close and the results in question. JFK only became an inspiration to the nation and a uniter upon his death in Dallas. Yes the family & Jackie were a Camelot experience for the nation. Children accross the nation traded cards and every move of the first family was news. I know I was alive I witnessed it.
The only other time I can recall this nation coming together was after 9-11.
I am a life long Democrat. I love JFK, I cried when he died and can tell you where I was and what I was doing. His death was his greatest inspiration. His words took on greater meaning-that is how he became an icon.
Remember PT109- he fought in the military- he served his country.
As For Obama while he is a great speaker, is electrifying and inspirational. He talks the language that people WANT to hear. We All want our Government to change. But he who preaches change- must walk the walk.
Does HE?
Does he really?
Do we want to elect him just because he is mixed (my sons are) and it is a great JOY to see a mixed man go this far. Is it about Change?
DR King wanted us to judge a man by his character and NOT the color of his skin.
What is his character?
How do we know?
Is he really about change?
Has he lived change?
What does his record show?
Does He as others have skeletons that will bite?
What is another terror attack happens-
before the election?
Could he stand tall on terror?
Has he been in the military?
What would he have to stand on????
We all know just what the GOP machine can and will do.
November’s Election will not only be about Democrats- others will also vote-
Who can Win?
Terrorism is real,we all remember the fevor after 9-11. You saw how mindlessly the media, the masses were fooled, lied to by the GOP machine.
We all listened to what we wanted to hear.
That’s how Hitler (the real one) gained control over Germany. He was an electrifying speaker (they say )and he moved the masses. All I am saying by this is we need to look beyond words and find out what a the speaker really stands for. We owe it to ourselves and this great nation.
I have found some answers regarding Obama’s charater in Chicago’s newspapers, I did not find that he was any different that any other politican.
There are skeletons.
There is no evidence of any capability to bring Change,(other than his address and title).
If he is not honest on change, what is he honest on?
Look for yourself. You will be suprised.
Posted by: Joyce | February 7, 2008, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm
IT IS ABOUT TIME SOMEONE IS OBJECTIONAL ABOUT HIM. I WAS GOING TO VOTE FOR HIM. BUT I GOT ONLINE AND DID RESEARCH. WOW. WHY IS NOONE TALKING ABOUT ALL HIS NEGATIVES. THE MEDIA LIKES DIGGING UP DIRT ON PEOPLE BUT NOT HIM. HE TAKES A SHOT AT HILLARY ABOUT WALMART. HE IS NOT CALLED OUT BY ANYONE ABOUT HIS WIFE BEING ON THE BOARD OF TREEHOUSE FOODS WHO JUST HAPPENS TO HAVE WALMART AS THEIR #1 CUSTOMER. READ THE CHICAGO SUN TIMES ONLINE. JUST PUNCH IN BARACK OBAMA AND READ FRANK NOVAK AND LYNN SWEET COLUMNS. THEY HAVE SO MUCH STUFF ON HIM.
Posted by: SPRINT9898 | February 7, 2008, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm
Davidduke sounds to me like this happened to someone else 2000 years ago.
Posted by: Charles | February 7, 2008, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm
This cult is like the one used by radical islamic cells to recruit young people by offering hope.
Posted by: Ana in Shanghai | February 7, 2008, 8:06 pm 8:06 pm
“For crying out loud….This is the race for presidency of the US and the free world.WE are in a crisis.Elect Hillary or go bust.This is no time to take a chance.Don’t waste time on pettiness.Elect someone who knows, is strong and will get the job done.”
–VPNNathan, exactly! BUT…so this is NO time to take a chance on the scandal ridden Clintons again who proved themselves (Hillary included) to be thoroughly corrupt and will only further polarize the nation than we already are! Remember how the travelgate white papers went “missing” for two years and then, lo and behold, showed up in Hillary’s quarters in the WH, 2 years after the fact?! Remember the very strange circumstances surrounding Vince Foster alleged “suicide?” The pay offs to the women who had claimed molesting and rape on Bill’s part and then their eventual character assassinations? The pardons of endless of criminals and those who were former friends of the Clintons, and so on? The impeachable offense of Bill’s lies under oath, trying to change the meaning of words? All the while Hillary either had terrible misjudgment about her husbands character and known reputation or was just continuing the scam game of politics by trying to malign the opposition, lying, and so on.
Have you read Ralph Nader’s blistering attack of the Clintons, both personally and politically? It says volumes. So, can you/can we, really afford another 4-8 years of the duplicitous Clintons in the White House? Seems obvious to many of us! Clearly not! She would be a disaster for our country. She’s done less in her 2 year longer term legislating than Obama in his short tenure! Do you really want someone who rides on the coattails of her husband, for whatever good that is, and yet takes none of the credit for any of the inconvenient failures of his administration? Who talks about going to work for anon profit Children’s league, all the while conveniently stating why she didn’t work with a prosperous law firm—because she failed her Bar exam twice so couldn’t! She finally passed after her third attempt. Face it, Hillary would be nothing without Bill, as questionable as he is!
Obama, on the other hand, offers a real break form the past, from the status quo. He had the personal integrity to lead, unite and inspire (these can’t be underestimated)–all qualities needed for a successful Presidency of the United States!
Posted by: Dennis | February 7, 2008, 8:08 pm 8:08 pm
What’s new? The end of the world comes every four years. Calm down. Don’t be afraid of cult followings or dramatic shifts in government. The political mechanism here is well established and predictable. Take a vacation from it all if it upsets you so much. It won’t miss you.
Posted by: TricKracker | February 7, 2008, 8:08 pm 8:08 pm
JFK was not just an inspriation after his death. He was an inspiration during his life! It started and his inaugural address when he stated…”ask NOT what your country can do for you..ask what you can do for your country.
His inspiration became larger in death than it was in life. This happens to all who die in service to our country…but he did inspire and lead the country in a different direction. This is why the country was on a path to equal rights for all Americans, aspired to go to the moon, longed for the day when all the world could consider all inhabitants of this earth a brother or sister.
To have someone who can bring this country and this world together as people is an inspiration to ALL people who believe in hope.
You go Chocolate Jesus!
Posted by: transam98 | February 7, 2008, 8:11 pm 8:11 pm
Obama fever (fervor) is in part a result of eight years of oppression by a dictator. Of course we’re happy when someone listens to us!
Posted by: Diana Kitch | February 7, 2008, 8:12 pm 8:12 pm
that cardboard cutout is starting to fold fast. Looks like he was going to pass out on stage today.
Posted by: okdokethen | February 7, 2008, 8:13 pm 8:13 pm
Obama is a force that you cannot stop, no matter what you do! Obama has consistently reeled out his stands on issues and yet some distractors don’t wanna acknowledge that. Not only is he good in rhetorics, he is equally full of substance!! He is the force of the moment and you better believe it. He is very real!!!
Posted by: Chyke | February 7, 2008, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm
The media is to blame by constantly giving Obama a free pass and not putting him under any scruntiny. Not saying they need to go overboard but be fair and impartial please. This person would be running a country and so far all I have seen are uplifting speeches delivered via teleprompter. What is his plan aside from giving us all hope? Do some reporting! Not that I expect a lot from the same media that gave GWB a free pass on Iraq.
Posted by: gm | February 7, 2008, 8:15 pm 8:15 pm
Chocolate Jesus will be the Vice President. He will wait his turn after Clinton. Thats the reality Dems
Posted by: Charles | February 7, 2008, 8:16 pm 8:16 pm
For every person that says that they have NO IDEA where Barack Obama stands on the issue point your browser to his website and take a look for yourselves. Go to the website for the Senate and look up his voting record. You all must be computer savvy. How hard it is to self educate yourselves on the choices we have to make?
Posted by: Andre | February 7, 2008, 8:18 pm 8:18 pm
I wonder if the roles were reversed and her “thighness” was enjoying this love-fest, if a similar article would be written about her? Ofcourse it wouldn’t. Its only because it is Obama and it goes against the media’s narrative of how this election cycle was supposed to go.
I am a registered Republican and have voted party lines for a long time. I know of atleast 4-5 moderate republicans including friends, family and co-workers of mine who are seriously considering voting for Obama should he make it to the top of the democratic ticket.
Why?
For one, everyone is tired of the vitriol and rancor that has divided the country.
Two, because the economic times we find ourselves in are a product of the “consume, consume, consume, because it’s patriotic” crap that our party has fed us for 7 years now.
Three, because while we are principally opposed to killing babies, that we recognize that overturning Roe v. Wade would only serve to make it more difficult for a woman to get an abortion, thereby increasing the likelihood of injury and death to her.
Four, because our governement and big business has lured illegals into this country. And because of that we are not willing to stand by while swat teams storm homes and businesses tearing families apart in the dead of night. These people need to be naturalized and we need to fix the border.
Finally, because when my friends and I look at Obama we see a sincere man who doesnt seem to have been bought off by special interests yet. Imagine that! The power of integrity! <> This country is ready for change. Times are changing. People’s long held beliefs are changing. What if everyone said “We can do this”? Instead of being a cynic?
Posted by: FLRepublicanforObama | February 7, 2008, 8:18 pm 8:18 pm
Its all fun and games when its positive news for Obama.
Its not when the MEDIA calls him on his super HYPE.
Now its a national calamity. The guy has NO EXPERIENCE. Americans are starting to do a ‘gut check’
All the exit polls showed the last minuite supporters voting for Clinton.
The Hype and HYSTERIA has gotten so far out of control that its actually starting to work against him.
After all the hype, he cant put clinton away. After all the song and dance, we are still sitting here going HOW EXACTLY ARE YOU PLANNING TO EXECUTE YOUR WHOLESALE CHANGES?
Obama freaks (anti Clinton more like it) already knows he inst going to change anything. They just dont care.
Its the independent voters who were taken by him at first, who now are starting to look at the ‘morning after’ and going…..we have heard this SAME message for MONTHS now.
It was fun at first, but is growing a little STALE .
Posted by: tom | February 7, 2008, 8:19 pm 8:19 pm
“Obama is a force that you cannot stop, no matter what you do! Obama has consistently reeled out his stands on issues and yet some distractors don’t wanna acknowledge that. Not only is he good in rhetorics, he is equally full of substance!! He is the force of the moment and you better believe it. He is very real!!!” damn that is precisely what I mean. If this isn’t psycological propoganda cult mantra, I don’t know what is. This kind of stuff makes me vote for anyone but Obama.
Posted by: okdokethen | February 7, 2008, 8:20 pm 8:20 pm
Obama´s hope is ok for start ups not for a huge 200+ year old entity.
Posted by: Ana in Shanghai | February 7, 2008, 8:21 pm 8:21 pm
Jake:
I wonder if you read the responses to your articles. If you do, I wonder if you are now questioning the article you wrote? It is one thing to doubt something that seems good. As a nation, we have had to learn, all too well, that if something seems too good to be true, it probably is too good to be true. Still, why would you ridicule those of us who, many for the first time ever–at least where politics is involved–have hope? Yes, I’ve cried more than once about Obama’s chances or the lack thereof. Hope is a frightening thing to have but is cyncicism a better alternative? In any event, is it right to demonize the hopeful? Are you presuming that the millions who support this man are doing so because they were susceptible to messianism or cultism? Seems like a cheap trick to gain viewers to me. Hope whatever the Clinton’s paid you is worth it.
Posted by: Bobbie | February 7, 2008, 8:22 pm 8:22 pm
Joyce, believe me, if there were other so called skeletons in his closet, beyond the questionable Rezko dealing I’m quite sure the Clintons would have found it! No need to wait for the GOP! The Clintons will do anything they can to get back in the WH and aren’t going to leave anything in the dark, if it can help them get Hill nominated. Their whole purpose, including even their marriage is on of power.
And actually yes, we do know a lot about Obama’s character in comparison. He chooses to take the higher, more noble path, and not quickly , conveniently demonize the other party just to get the primary nomination. He has remained faithful to his wife and honorable. They clearly have a real marriage. He chooses to focus on the positive, rather than the negative. What more do you need, in terms of character? I mean, honestly, if you care about character you would never really vote for a Clinton, would you?! Let’s be real.
Posted by: Dennis | February 7, 2008, 8:23 pm 8:23 pm
Being a libertarian who tends to lean Republican when I’m in a pragmatic mood, I also see the developing “cult” of Obama.
But I think this is partially due to the electorate getting sick and tired of the way political campaigning has developed the last two decades, and perfected by the Clinton “machine.” In part, the Obama phenomenon is a slap in the face of the Clintonian politics, and for this I am glad to see it develop.
Certainly I’d like to see political campaigns which stress issues, political philosophy, and proposed solutions to problems. And although the Obama “cult” is not doing this (except in the most ethereal way), it is a step in the right direction.
Should Obama win the Democratic nomination, I believe that the Obama campaign will have to move from the ethereal to the “real” plane.
Posted by: Jon | February 7, 2008, 8:24 pm 8:24 pm
ahhhhh look at all the fringe American conspiracy theorists on this blog….they are soooo cute and stupid
Posted by: conspiracy | February 7, 2008, 8:24 pm 8:24 pm
Faced with global climate change and global hyper-poverty, this man, Barack Obama, is impurtable.
As people, we’ve begun to grow forgetful of the stories that we’ve always collectively woven together to create hope. We’ve become barren through forgetfulness and cynicism.
He’s just Our mirror, which is what this author holds contemptible. And we’re beginning to recall who we really are. Because WE’RE the ones who are audaciously hopeful.
I say don’t make a god out of Barack Obama. But do welcome him and thank him for his high fidelity.
Posted by: Dana Shields | February 7, 2008, 8:24 pm 8:24 pm
To the posts where you say Hillary probably paid you to write this article. Yeah…..finally the ONE article that questions Obama instead of Hillary was paid by the Clinton campaign. LOL. The truth is….out of the 10,000 articles that were bashing Hillary, finally one was written to question Obama instead of bashing Hillary. It’s about time.
Posted by: yeah yeah | February 7, 2008, 8:24 pm 8:24 pm
right on Tom, yes the shine is fading from that star, I think Oprah needs to take him to the car wash. The same stuff gets old fast. How much farther can he go past Super Tuesday with the same old speech!
Posted by: okdokethen | February 7, 2008, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm
Jake, you and Joe Klein must have too much time on your hands. This cooked-up “cult” baloney is just over the top. How scientific is the sample of people you talked to/quoted?
And if you need proof that this is really off the wall: look at the comments above this one. Really brought the anti-Obama crazies out of the woodwork — now THAT is “creep” and “weird!”
Posted by: jac13 | February 7, 2008, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm
People, people, people, enough aleady! Aren’t you tired of being divided? We asked the candidates to cool it on the negativity and they did, why can’t you? If you are for Hillary fine and if you are for Obama, fine again. Why all of the attacks like you know these people personally? Are you perfect? They both have limited experience and they both have flaws and so don’t YOU! So just stop all of this vicious behavior. My Lord you make me ashamed to be an American. Good luck to the best man/woman that wins! We are supposed to be a united party not a bunch of sheep that feed into this idiotic garbarge! Barak nor Hillary are a cult and they both have good platforms it’s just a matter of who the people choose. Stop trying to speak for everyone it just fuels the flame. Before you continue all of these attacks on each candidate, I urge you to go and look in the mirror at yourselves and then decide if you are worthy enough to have such opinions of people that you do not know and you will never know. GIVE IT A REST ALREADY! Ridiculous!
Posted by: Tired | February 7, 2008, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm
“And, Obama saying “We are the change we have been waiting for” is so clear and right, I can’t believe one could criticize it.” See Dunstan, this is exactly another thing which is the core of hyprocrisy of the Obama cult, which turns off more and more people every day. It’s ok for Oprabamites to criticize the Clintons in every which way possible, but don’t dare critize Obama for a speech or anything.
Posted by: okdokethen | February 7, 2008, 8:40 pm 8:40 pm
Jake Tapper, don’t listen to the Kool aid Kult. This is the best article yet on ABC News. Finally someone called him out! Congratulations.
Posted by: okdokethen | February 7, 2008, 8:41 pm 8:41 pm
Nice article, Jake. Glad to see someone actually question Obama for a change. For all the Obama supporters who can’t handle this lone negative article, check out MSNBC’s site, you won’t find anything negative over there on Obama and all kinds of Hillary bashing going on. Go ahead, it will make you feel better.
Posted by: Julie | February 7, 2008, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm
LOOK I AM NOT FOR HIM OR AGAINST HIM. WE ALL KNOW ABOUT THE CLINTON AND I AM JUST SAYING TO LOOK THINGS UP DO RESEARCH ON ANYONE YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT VOTING FOR HIM TO JUST LOOK AT HIS NEGATIVES. EVERYONE POLITICS GOT WHERE THEY WERE BY PLAYINTHE GAME HE IS NO DIFFERENT. THE PRESS IS JUST NOT COVERING IT.WE ARE GOING TO VOTE FOR SOMEONE WHO HAS OUR LIVES IN THER HANDS AND OUR POCKET BOOK. SO DON’T LET THE PRESS OR ANYONE TELL YOU HOW TO VOTE BUT DON’T VOTE WITHOUT CHECKING THEM OUT. SOME ARE DIRTIER THAN OTHER.BUT THEY ARE ALL SMUDGED
Posted by: SPRINT9898 | February 7, 2008, 8:44 pm 8:44 pm
“WHERE IN THE TOP 10 COMMITMENTS ON HIS CHURCH’S “ABOUT US” STATEMENT DOES IT RECOGNIZE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA??????? WHERE?”
–Gavy, I guess I had you misread an earlier comment of yours. It first sounded like you were supportive of his church and from there by posting the church’s 10 commitments. I really don’t see anything wrong with these. Why do you think one of the commitments needs to show recognition and support of the USA? Isn’t that a given? I’ve been to tons of different churches with similar commitments, or mission statements or what have you, and as far as I recall, none of them ever acknowledge recognition and support of the US because it’s a given! Remember, being “unashameably Christian and unapologetically black, thereby giving support to Africa doesn’t mean it’s over and above the U!! Christians are called to support the poor and why not Africa? Not only is it their heritage but there sure are a lot of poor, suffering people there! Have you read Trinity’s list of ministries and classes? Seems very Christian to me!
Posted by: Dennis | February 7, 2008, 8:46 pm 8:46 pm
okdokethen, stop using my comment!! If you don’t have anything to write, you better log off. America is in its current bad shape because of people like you.
If Obama is a cult leader, then i’m willingly his disciple!! If you don’t like that…..
Posted by: Chyke | February 7, 2008, 8:49 pm 8:49 pm
Obama supporters ARE acting like a cult and that is what scares me. We don’t know a lot about Obama Hussein and the way people are acting and voting in racist blocks for him is a dangerous trend. GO AHEAD DRINK THE OBAMA
KOOL-AID but don’t be surprised when the results aren’t what you expected. Hillary at least has been through trials in the public eye and survived them, what has Obama survived and exactly who is he and where did he come from. I think if he really wants to be president he could consider dropping Hussein (his middle name)from his name. VOTE HILLARY.
A woman brings a new dynamic to Washington, Obama is just another old boy party guy. There’s nothing different about him except his caramel color.
Posted by: JJ | February 7, 2008, 8:50 pm 8:50 pm
You in the media are just now noticing this? Guess the honeymoon must be over. The Obama cult has been creeping me out for some time now. His speeches and rallies have taken on the timbre of revival meetings complete with the “amens” and a new group of slaves to free. Next we’ll all be crossing the river Jordan into the promised land of government goodies.
I’ve engaged with a fair number of the cult members. They range from starry-eyed, matinee-idol groupies to Kool-Aid drinking worshipers who would follow the Chosen One into the jungles of Guyana if need be. One particularly enraptured young lady fully expects President Obama to force Steven Spielberg to throw open his house in the Hamptons to the masses so that we, too, may enjoy the privileges and opulent lifestyle of the rich and famous. And have you seen “Yes We Can”?
One thing the Obamaramans have in common: if you ask them to tell you something concrete about his positions or proposed policies, you get the cyber equivalent of a blank stare. And then they go back to talking about the Rapture. It’s going from creepy to downright scary and if they and their candidate don’t knock it off, Democrats will be flocking to Hillaryland in droves.
Posted by: SukieTawdry | February 7, 2008, 8:51 pm 8:51 pm
so glad someone in the media finally said this!!!
Posted by: boynla, LA, CA | February 7, 2008, 8:52 pm 8:52 pm
Barack Obama is clearly a passionate man that inspires people to believe in things that have never happened in our government.
And he is a great orator. But talk is cheap, especially in american politics, and delivering the good is an entirely different matter. It requires more than a loyal electorate. Indeed, it depends on the cooperation of the entire American government. I must admit….I am a bit skeptical. And I believe that, if anyone can deliver the goods, substantially, it is going to take a woman to do it.
Posted by: Ashleigh | February 7, 2008, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm
We are not electing American Idol folks … like Cher said on Good Morning America … this is a slam dunk … Hillary is the one. And I would add … the only one.
Posted by: Jackson | February 7, 2008, 8:56 pm 8:56 pm
Oke– Would you criticize “Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country”?
Both sentences say the same thing.
Obama has been criticized all along: He’s not black enough, he’s too black, he’s a muslim, he doesn’t have enough experience… It’s not that he isn’t criticized. He just happens to be much more inspirational than anyone in politics for the last 40 years.
Posted by: dunstan | February 7, 2008, 8:57 pm 8:57 pm
Of course its Obama has a dangerous cult following. The only ones who don’t realize it are the ones blinded by his speeches.
Posted by: dirty harry | February 7, 2008, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm
Amen! Thanks for haveing the guts to say what I have been thinking for weeks now. Creepy and cultish is only the tip of the iceburg. Some of his followers almost appear to be zombies spreading the gospel of Obama as if their salvation depends on it. EEEK, give me Hilary. At least I know what she is a human being, fallible, yet in need of God’s grace like the rest of us.
Posted by: robert kellogg | February 7, 2008, 9:02 pm 9:02 pm
thanks Jake Tapper, for having the courage to stand up to the Obama cult, and media bias.
Posted by: okdokethen | February 7, 2008, 9:03 pm 9:03 pm
So, I guess I’ll add my voice to the several giving you specific policy driven reasons for voting for Obama. I fully expect to be mocked by the couple of Clinton trolls who have posted six times on this one thread. Once I’ve said my piece, I’ll go watch a movie with my wife, go to work, maybe send my candidate another $25 since it’s payday, and basically go on with my “cultish” life.
I approve of Obama’s sincere call to service. He has a program specifically designed to find volunteer opportunities for baby boomer seniors that are retired, but still very active. He beleives that all college students should be eligible for a reasonable credit in return for service to their country, including and especially military service.
I approve of the fact that Obama has disclosed his “earmarks” voluntarily, while hillary does not. He has provided full disclosure of his financial assets, while Hillary does not. His experience is on the public record, while Hillary’s experience is still locked up in Bill’s library.
Need more rational, factual, substantial reasons to vote for Obama? How about 60?
So, Hill-trolls, please mock away. The movie’s starting.
Posted by: Michael Blackburn | February 7, 2008, 9:07 pm 9:07 pm
Obama is only one who can hold the USA in his hand.We need person like Obama for Us president simply because An us president should conduct the whole world in good manner too that does not hold good for Ms Clinton.
Posted by: K.D subedi | February 7, 2008, 9:09 pm 9:09 pm
Hillary is great, the problem Men in the U.S.A. are afraid of woman. Germany, Argentina and other countries are more progresive. Give a woman a chance to fix this mess, their brain works better, they can think about a lot of things at a time. Another man will screwit up!
Posted by: Charles | February 7, 2008, 9:13 pm 9:13 pm
Barack Obama is an intelligent man and he has charisma. He has the ability to influence and lead. God has given him the gift of gab and leadership. Most significant black leaders are annointed in that area. Martin Luther King, Malcom X and now Barack Obama. It makes some people creepy because he has the ability to lead and he is black. This is very intimidating to scary people. He is not God but people will try to put him up there like he is God. This is not his fault…that is the fault of man. He is not Jesus Christ the savior………..he is not a cult leader. He is just annointed period!!!!!!!!!!!!! God Almighty raises up leaders and he brings them down.
Posted by: Denise | February 7, 2008, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm
Spock are you a bible scholar???????
If you really know Jesus Christ for yourself then you would not be scared of Obama. Or are you simply scared because you see a black man who can be President of America, the super power country of the world?
Posted by: Saundra | February 7, 2008, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm
Obama = The Pied Piper
Posted by: Disney | February 7, 2008, 9:24 pm 9:24 pm
I am so tired of the bias that the Media portrays period. I started to believe that Barack Obama pays all the major networks for the very biased attention of him. A responsible TV station should put out positive reports concerning two Democratic candidates.
I have to agree, Barack Obama really has nothing to say. On Super Tuesday, he gave a very poor acceptance speech and seems to know very little about our economy and what to do in a recession.
Posted by: Nancy Gorman | February 7, 2008, 9:29 pm 9:29 pm
The Obama girl did not vote for him.
Posted by: Disney | February 7, 2008, 9:30 pm 9:30 pm
I couldn’t agree more with this article. The Obama craze is starting to be a little too reminiscent of the fervor over Hitler. Not that I mean to be comparing the two – but there is certainly something amiss, if not down right whacky about the whole Obama thing – and this is a very strong, intuitive gut feeling that I cannot easily dismiss. I’m so concerned over this situation that even though I’ve been a registered Democrat for 30 years, I may actually change my registration and vote for McCain if Obama becomes the Dem Nominee.
Posted by: friday027 | February 7, 2008, 9:31 pm 9:31 pm
Barack Obama is not the second coming of the Messiah, nor is he another JFK, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, David Koresh, Jim Jones or Creflo Dollar. He’s Barack Obama. It’s pretty shallow to rate the totality of a candidate just on speeches. If that were the case, Zig Ziglar would be qualified to run for president. Listen to Obama’s debates, watch him on the Sunday news shows, read about his political background. Many people who are supporting Obama are doing so because they believe in his ideas and leadership. Plus, he happens to be running for President of the United States. Few others are, and that includes myself and everyone on this blog. The Presidency of this great nation is not the same as a cult-leader position, and being a passionate citizen of the United States is not the same as being a member of a cult.
Posted by: keith | February 7, 2008, 9:31 pm 9:31 pm
Voting for Obama. Not drinking Kool Aid. Well educated, upper middle class woman, who believes we need to fundamentally change the way our government is run. Nothing wrong with change when the system is broken. With Clinton we know we will get four or eight more years of scandal and Bill doing god only knows what in the White House. With McCain we get multiple years of nation building in the middle east. Obama is a smart guy. Smart enough to run a stellar campaign and have the American people stand up and pay attention to politics, smart enough to raise huge amounts of money, smart enough to write speeches that move and inspire people.
Cult….no…not a cult..perhaps we have moved so far away from being inspired and caring it just might seem like that to some who have lived in a cynical world for a long time.
So we can vote for the people who will keep everything the same. Go with the status quo…or we can turn over the reigns to a guy who is brilliant enough to surround himself with people based on their resume and not on their wallet…
Hmmmm…you be the judge….resume or check writing ability or political favor. It is about time we had brain power in Washington and got rid of the cronies.
Posted by: HeatherinVT | February 7, 2008, 9:32 pm 9:32 pm
What about the creepy Reagan cult?
I think there are a lot of factors that contribute to the enthusiasm. He’s young, energetic, charismatic, has a can-do style about him, and (this applies to either Dem) the Bush Nightmare Will Be OVER!!!!
Posted by: Andy | February 7, 2008, 9:33 pm 9:33 pm
.I hope you could sleep at night as the soldiers take their own life for the misery that Bush put them in.
Posted by: betty for Obama | Feb 7, 2008 7:31:34 PM
Come on Betty, We cry for the soldiers, but you know as a Party we pull for the terrorist.
Posted by: Jimmy | February 7, 2008, 9:33 pm 9:33 pm
Agree 100% Obama campaign is a cult based on the candidate and his dreams. I want to see the issues. I would have give him my vote if he would be the democratic candidate in November but after that creepy speech on Super Tuesday… I have two choices: stay at home or vote McCain…
Posted by: Jose | February 7, 2008, 9:34 pm 9:34 pm
Obama Hussein and Jesus Christ comparisons are popping up all over the place. People are writing that they ‘ve been waiting for him for 50 years. That’s crazy man. It’s one thing to be inspired another to wear rose colored glasses to the voting both. Obama is not the Messiah, but people are sure acting like he’s the second coming. Careful folks read what the bible says about the anti-christ. He’s inspires, he makes people feel hope and promises them salvation. Kind of like an Obama speech. Stop the sixties preachy MLK talk and talk to me like a person. If I want a sermon I’ll got to church on Sunday morning.
Posted by: JJ | February 7, 2008, 9:39 pm 9:39 pm
If you want a candidate who will say anything and do anything to get elected, vote for Hillary. If you want a candididate who can insure we have at least 4 years of gridlock, vote for Hillary. If you want a candidate that knows the issues but does not believe we should confront them but rather implement her “ideas for this country”, vote for Hillary. If you want 4 more years of dynastic leadership (as if 27 years isn’t enough), vote for Hillary.
If you want your wages garnished when she mandates universal health care at a premium level you can’t afford (she has admitted that she will garnish your wages on “This Week with George Stephanopoulous”), vote for Hillary.
If you want an America that is for the people, by the people, less polarized, less divided and progressive, vote for Barack. If you don’t want your wages garnished to pay for a mandated HillaryCare, vote for Barack. If you think you elderly family members making less than 50K/year should not pay taxes, vote for Barack. If you feel NAFTA, passed by the last Clinton administration, has not delivered on it’s promise and is fundamentally unsound, vote for Barack. If you want to salvage Social Security, vote for Barack.
If you love this country, would die for it and are willing to sit at the table with your leaders, vote for Barack.
If you want John Mcain, vote for Hillary.
If you can dare to conceive that this country can chart a new course and change; if you can overcome your cynicusm and shortsightedness, vote for Barack!
Posted by: Jackie1954 | February 7, 2008, 9:40 pm 9:40 pm
Obama constantly talks about creating change for America, but how will he do this? I’m sorry but McCain won’t let Obama fly through the election without being attacked.
Do Obama supporters feel that he can’t be called out about things? Do you Obama people have a problem with one media article saying something non-positive about him? Heck, the whole media is on your side and its about time someone said something critical of him.
Posted by: Tyler | February 7, 2008, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm
What’s with all of the venom and accusations here? Can’t you just respectfully disagree with each other? Looking at threads like this, I really do start to worry that this race is going to cause lasting damage to the Democratic Party, and by extension, the nation.
Now that McCain is almost certainly
going to be the Republican nominee, we ought to be figuring out who has the best chance of beating him (and Huckabee and a likely running mate, imho). While I am attracted to many of Clinton’s policy proposals and the prospect of having the first woman president, I really think that a McCain/Huckabee ticket would do a lot to mobilize the strongest factions (social/fiscal/military/evangelical conservatives) of the Republican Party. Add Hillary Clinton into the mix, and that will be even more incentive for conservatives to come out and give us another 4 years of a Republican White House, and 4 more years of war. McCain will almost certainly draw more independent voters than Clinton as well, so I really don’t see how she’d be able to pull off a win.
Start talking about Obama as the nominee and Republican strategists start getting the shakes. It’ll be ugly either way, of course, but I’ve never seen someone with so much cross-over appeal as Obama. And his mettle is certainly being tested right now with a fierce, drawn out primary campaign. On the issues, he’s almost identical to Clinton, except he had the wisdom to see the Iraq war as a mistake from the start, and he doesn’t think that we need to mandate adult coverage in order to achieve universal health care. Most Clinton supporters I know acknowledge his education plan is a little bit better than hers, too.
Anyway, I’ll definitely be voting for Clinton if she is nominated.. My question is, why all of the hate, guys?
Posted by: Billy | February 7, 2008, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm
Ask not what your country can do for you… unless your asking for Universal Healthcare or Tax Rebates. Both parties pander to their cults, whether they be tree-huggers, cross-huggers, or new-bloods. Government as a whole is bigger than the presidency… it really doesn’t matter who gets in. Might as well be the Queen of England with vito power.
Posted by: TricKracker | February 7, 2008, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm
Obama lottery is on sale with the tag of change and hope. Everyone wants change… But this does not mean to put every thing on lottery (Obama)…. Very few wins the lottery and not all. Think/check/research before you vote.
Posted by: John | February 7, 2008, 9:48 pm 9:48 pm
I grew up around enough revival preachers that the whole Obama madness has given me the creeps for some time now. The similarities to the whole “pentecostal experience” are darn obvious, and completely freaky.
For those who say that his supporters are highly educated – so are most Scientologists. And ANY stage magician will tell you that the highly educated are easier to fool than the hard-nosed working man.
Posted by: CarolinaGirl | February 7, 2008, 9:51 pm 9:51 pm
Then vs. now:
The founders indicated that only male property owners should be able to vote.
No nonsense, no emotion, no idealistic youngsters … only those that had a stake in the success of our country …
Let that flames begin …
Craig
Posted by: Craig | February 7, 2008, 9:51 pm 9:51 pm
WOW, This is my final comment about this article. Now Obama supporters are writing they are willing to die for this country. WOW! SOUNDS LIKE A CULT TO ME.
The way to change Washington is to have a female president. Obama Hussein is just more male energy, he’s just one of the boys. It’ll take the sensitivity of a woman to fix this mess and change the way people look at this country.
HILLARY IS THE ONE! THINK ABOUT IT.
ANOTHER MALE PRESIDENT IS NOT CHANGE.
Posted by: JJ | February 7, 2008, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm
To follow-up my previous post, I think an ace for Democrats winning the White House is a Clinton/Obama ticket. Clinton would bring leadership, brainpower, ideals, and quite frankly a long overdue woman’s perspective to the presidency, while Obama would bring inspiration, brainpower, and refreshing invigoration while gaining his governing and leadership accumen needed for his possible future presidency. THAT would have me vote Democratic for the first time in my life!
Posted by: JH | February 7, 2008, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm
People, please do your research.Believe it or not, there are Obama suporters like myself who are actually voting for him because of his policies. It really is easy to find out what they are: BarackObama.com. …but hey even googling his name will do.
To say that he does not have a stand on issues and to suggest that he is vague and does not have any substance is inaccurate.
I must admit that it is a bit surprising so see this man seemingly come from out of nowhere that inspires the nation in such a manner….Dems, Reb and Ind. Do not, however, form an opinion unless you have done your research.
The interesting thing is that Americans are soooo tired of the crap that many are swooned by Obama. It is an indication that people are ready for someone different. This may give Obama an edge, but what will make him our President are his policies. Please, CNN, CBS, NBC are not sufficient to qualify as research.
Lastly, even those that are swooned by his oratorical skills, his charm, charisma…please research the man you will vote for so that you can answer the skeptics and the ignorant.
Posted by: shanzy | February 7, 2008, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm
why is it that anytime something actually meaningful happens in this country you have some naysayer with a pedestal knocking things down. You want to know why people are flocking to him??/Becuase he is what a leader looks like in every regard. This country has been STARVING for leadership for the last 7 years. Obama is the real deal. Its fact, so wake up to it.
Posted by: Sam | February 7, 2008, 10:12 pm 10:12 pm
The fact that he targeted the youth, just like advertising does since they are the big boom of the Baby Boomers; is the real creepy part of it. He went to them first. He tried targeting women through Oprah. Gee, I wonder why that didn’t really take. HMMMMM….
Posted by: irma | February 7, 2008, 10:13 pm 10:13 pm
The criticism of Obama isn’t so much that he doesn’t have a platform. It’s that many of the people who are Obama supporters can’t tell you what his platform is – they’re voting for him soley because he “inspires” them. That’s what’s scary – many support him simply because the power of his oratory moves them; and that’s whether he says anything substantive or not. He could talk about dirt for two hours and they’d hail him as the messiah.
Posted by: Brad in KY | February 7, 2008, 10:14 pm 10:14 pm
Senatorial support of Obama helps explain why the McAuliffe plan failed.
In addition to habitual Democratic resistance to being controlled, many colleagues simply do not trust Clinton. They complain that in Thursday’s debate from Los Angeles she repeated that she opposed the Levin amendment to the 2003 Iraq war resolution because it would “subordinate” U.S. decision-making to the United Nations. It did not, and Clinton made no such claim until her presidential campaign. That kind of performance has helped build the stalemate.
Posted by: obama4prez | February 7, 2008, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm
Ah, media, media, you’ve created this false messiah and now the false messiah believes everything you’re saying about him. Please come down to earth. Obama is just another politician … just ask Tony Rezko. After 17 years of hanging out together (Tony was on Barack’s Senate campaign finance committee so please don’t write this off as a casual relationship) … after 17 years together, Tony knows Barack better than we ever will. It doesn’t matter if there’s any criminal wrongdoing, the point is that Barack associates with members of the good old politico gang. He’s no better (no worse if you don’t count his claims to being “different”) than anyone else. Now, let’s get back to the issues, please. Our survival is in the balance.
Posted by: Mandelay | February 7, 2008, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm
Shanzy; do you realize that in all those paragraphs you don’t mention one policy. You don’t even mention your own beliefs of philosophy; it’s all about how wonderful Obama is.
Posted by: irma | February 7, 2008, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm
Anyone who’s actually worked for Obama understands why says that it’s about us, not about him.
I have *never* heard an Obama supporter (and I’ve met and worked with many) speaking about “coming to Obama”.
I’m an agnostic/atheist and one of the reasons I support Obama strongly is that while he is a devoted Christian, he understands that we’re a pluralistic nation full of religions of all kinds — as well as Americans who are non-believers. Apparently Mr. Wolcott, whom you wrote about in your article, hasn’t done his homework: Obama is the only candidate who even seems to acknowledge, much less support, the idea that there are Atheists and agnostics in America, and that we too are patriots.
Secular religion? I think not. People have become so jaded and turned off to politics that someone who inspires people, like Obama, seems to throw some people off.
Get used to the inspiration — Obama supporters are inspired, we’re working, and we’re donating at record levels. May I suggest you get some real problems, if this is the kind of thing you’re worried about?
Elise in NH
Posted by: Elise in NH | February 7, 2008, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm
I have read a lot of ridiculous things in my life, and this article is at the top of the list. I tried to resist responding but two things have to be said:
The name is: Barack Hussein Obama (not Obama Hussein for all those who are so well informed here but can’t get the name right)
Well, if this is a cult, then you have to admire his orgainzing abilities – over 7 million people voted for him on Tuesday alone (and of course, many of us independents and republicans could not vote in those primaries)
I can’t believe this garbage is being spouted on ABC – glad all my favorite shows are on CBS and NBC so I have absolutely no reason to watch them – especially if this is representative of their Washington Correspondents.
YES WE CAN! YES WE WILL!
Posted by: MRA | February 7, 2008, 10:25 pm 10:25 pm
MRA, Hillary received basically the same; actually a little more in votes.
Posted by: irma | February 7, 2008, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm
Anyone read George Orwell 1984. One of the ideas put forward in that book is that the intellectual can easily become deluded as the evangelical. Messiah Obama will end wars, save the economy, save the planet from global warming, this is their religion. You just have to believe, ‘yes we can’, is their calling.
Posted by: karran motana | February 7, 2008, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm
Aren’t you people tired of being divided sheep? Some idiot with no substance plants an article from the powers that be and you people bite into it like the big apple. “Oh he’s a cult” and then you follow along and say oh yeah that sounds about right. Why don’t you get off the blogs and do some reading and your own research instead of letting some idiot tell you how to think. White vs black, young vs old, rich vs poor, minority vs minority, democrat vs democract, female vs male..don’t you know adversity when it’s staring you right in the eye? You people are so accustomed to negativity, division, oppression and being told what to think that you don’t even recongnize an implant article when you see one. The powers that be will take all of your ignorant replies and use them right against you to stomp on you like you deserve to be until kindom comes. What is so wrong with inspiration, bipartisonship, and unity? This country can not get anything positive done without it just look at how we are living now. Aren’t you tired of suffering or are you afraid of losing your “priviledge” card if a “OMG” black man comes into office and do what a rich white man could never do? You people are pathetic and it’s really a shame! Grow up and take your rasism and stick it where the sun doesn’t shine! Get a life! I am going to vote for and educated man that will bring America in a positive direction. I dare you to be positive or is that too easy for you! I wonder how you Hillary supporters going to react when then implant something as negative and untrue about her. The Republicans are loving it, they have the tool to divide you idiots that’s why we have the leader we have now. You people don’t know the meaning of unity. If Hillary winns support her as party and if Barak wins do the same or will are all going to be in trouble! Stop giving the powers that be a strong hold on you and think for yourselves!
Posted by: Tired | February 7, 2008, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm
I definitely disagree! I think Obama is exactly what this country needs to make a change. Calling him Jesus, or even comparing him to Jesus, damns you all, not him. He is very sincere and an inspiration to all the young (especially ethnic) students who were told they could never do something. No one calls these boy bands and rockstars cult leaders, ehy Obama? Give me a break… So if a person of color holding this much power scares you, then you better be scared, because Obama is here to stay!!!!! Barack the vote!
Posted by: missuab | February 7, 2008, 10:31 pm 10:31 pm
At this time, we need someone who can lead the country, improve our economy and regain our image in the world and not prophet (Obama).
Posted by: John | February 7, 2008, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm
Thanks for being honest. I have respect for Chris Matthews. He is stating his opinion based on emotions… I want facts.
Obama is a divisive figure. How can he lead a nation based on emotion?
He has promised too much to too many groups. He will not be able to please everyone. God doesn’t even answer all prays. Is Obama more supreme than God?
Posted by: plain jane | February 7, 2008, 10:41 pm 10:41 pm
I vote for you “plain jane”. Whatever you wrote is perfect.
thanks
Posted by: John | February 7, 2008, 10:43 pm 10:43 pm
I vote for you “plain jane”. Whatever you wrote is perfect.
thanks
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Thanks for being honest. I have respect for Chris Matthews. He is stating his opinion based on emotions… I want facts.
Obama is a divisive figure. How can he lead a nation based on emotion?
He has promised too much to too many groups. He will not be able to please everyone. God doesn’t even answer all prays. Is Obama more supreme than God?
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Posted by: John | February 7, 2008, 10:45 pm 10:45 pm
Yes! Finally, someone is calling it like it is! Is the tide finally turning?
Great quote from Sean Wilentz today in Washington Monthly….couldn’t have said it better myself.
Voters, though, will have to decide which kind of presidency they believe is best suited to repair the present breakdown in Washington—and to respond to current crises in the Middle East and the world economy. With the federal bureaucracy in disrepair, military resources stretched to the breaking point, America’s diplomatic clout in the world at ebb tide, and the domestic economy sliding into recession, the nation has reached a turning point – one in which considerations of performance should utterly overshadow candidates’ personalities. In choosing our next president, we face a choice over conceptions of presidential power in a time of national crisis.
It isn’t about personality – it is about policies and the ability to get results.
Posted by: Ann | February 7, 2008, 10:54 pm 10:54 pm
I agree that the Obama campaign looks more and more like a cult as the days go by. After listening to his speeches, he offers no real evidence to where he stands on the issues, which is typical of a person who has a record of voting “PRESENT.”
Simply chanting “YES WE CAN” over and over, while it certainly inspires many,is simply a way to get people excited because he is a great orator. The chanting does little to ease my concerns that Obama does not have what it takes to lead the military or the country.
His campaign is a bunch of smoke and mirrors and his cult followers are delusional if they really think that Obama will be ready to work on January 20th. It’s too bad that Obama’s poetry and “YES WE CAN” chanting seems more like a hallucinogenic rather than a believable message with actual substance.
Posted by: CMCT | February 7, 2008, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm
Ever notice how he never takes questions from voters – all he’s comfortable with is vague generalities. Sure he has issue papers on his web site – they were written by his AIDES. Think he can walk through the detail?
Posted by: Ann | February 7, 2008, 11:00 pm 11:00 pm
Seems like a nice guy, seems like a smart guy and certainly gives a good speech but no way prepared for what will face him in the white house (maybe that’s why the endorsement? – he’ll sure need experienced dems around him in the Oval Office0.
He has absolutely no experience in dealing with complex foreign policy. Can you imagine him sitting across from Putin or Musharaff? Think he’ll “inspire” them to quit their mischief? Scares me to death.
Absolutely no understanding (how could he?) with the complex levers of the economy.
Entering a recession, competing with China, losing influence in all parts of the world – let’s select someone who has been in the legislature at the national level for 3 years. Logically/rationally – does that make any sense at all? No, it doesn’t.
I am a lifelong democrat and have never voted for a Republican for any level office but if Obama is the nominee, I will vote for McCain (remember Reagan Democrats – we’ll have McCain Democrats in hordes with an Obama nomination) simply because I couldn’t, in good conscience, turn our country over to such untested hands in such perilous times.
Posted by: Ann | February 7, 2008, 11:03 pm 11:03 pm
This is just like the Hillary / Bill Campaign. Where Obama works to bring people together, his opponents work to split them apart. The more I’m seeing from this camp, the more I’m feeling that I can’t respect her, and I don’t like this, because she might be the nominee for President.
I see Obama communities where people are excited about the possibilities, and the leadership, and I see Clinton communities posting hatchet-jobs on Obama, and Obama’s supporters.
Posted by: ytterbius | February 7, 2008, 11:16 pm 11:16 pm
A few weeks ago I was debating a “friend” about Obama vs. Hillary, and all she kept saying was “yes we can!” and I thought – wow, she sounds like she’s in a cult.
And then I read this and feel totally relieved that I’m not the only one a bit freaked out by all this!
I’m sorry, but for any Obama supporters out there, listen to his speeches – it is totally lacking in substance and is all rhetoric. This reminds me of the polar opposite of Bush but same idea (at least in 2000) – a very likable guy that you want to sit down and have a beer with but definitely not someone you want running our country.
Wake up!
Posted by: Sarah | February 7, 2008, 11:16 pm 11:16 pm
“Obama supporters are obsessed over an individual who has not shown to take a stand on any issues”
Consider the War in Iraq. Obama has taken a very strong stand. It’s Hillary that has failed to do so.
Posted by: ytterbius | February 7, 2008, 11:18 pm 11:18 pm
“when all else fails…rip senator kennedy, cry, play broke, play a cult…
nice hillary…”
Where have I heard before about there being an element of paranoia related to cult behavior???
Posted by: Coloradogirl | February 7, 2008, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm
What bothers me about the pundits and bloggers who think they are so hardball and just hate Obama because he is trying to move politics onto a more positive level (for a change) is that they all know that Obama has just as many specific policy positions as HRC. But they love to imply that Obama has no substance which is not true and they know it. So what is the game? To bad HRC isn’t running against Chester A Arthur. Maybe then she would inspire too!
Posted by: pun or dit | February 7, 2008, 11:22 pm 11:22 pm
I am on both of the Hillary and Obama mailing lists, and I can say that I have NEVER seen an anti-Obama blurb on their emails to me, however I routinely see anti-Hillary blurbs on his emails! So that is just crap that she is the divider – he’s the one saying things like she is not as electable as he is. He keeps saying it, people believe it!
Did you see how he took up almost twice as much time as any other candidate on Tuesday during his speech? And what did he really say? Where is the substance?
As a highly educated person who wants to see the most qualified candidate get in (not the one with the most rhetoric again, even if it is “my” side of the rhetoric), I am just saddened that our country is (okay I’ll say it) as stupid as to just buy into this fanaticism.
Posted by: Sarah | February 7, 2008, 11:24 pm 11:24 pm
I usually don’t respond to things like this, but I felt the need to weigh in on this topic for some reason.
First things first: let’s not pretend that other campaigns don’t have some cult like overtones, especially with Hillary. Talking to so many of her supporters, they don’t realize just how many people hate her in this country–I’m obviously not saying that her being hated is justified, but it’s an incontrevertible fact, a LOT of Americans hate her. I truly believe that in the same way she would divide America, Barack could unite it.
Even if Hillary managed to eke out a 51/49 victory, nothing would change in the country, except we’d have a new person we all were upset with because of the divided nature of America.
Sadly, however, I have to disagree with many of my fellow democrats when I say: It’s NOT just about policy. How on Earth can we claim it’s about policy?? John Kerry had brilliant policies…Al Gore had amazing policies…brilliant and amazing policies that they completely failed at explaining concisely and effectively. Kerry went up against one of the most unpopular sitting presidents of all time, with an unpopular war, a sagging economy, a nationwide healthcare crisis and the WORST national security breach in our history and LOST! Why did he lose? Simply because he did not inspire! I voted for Kerry and campaigned for him and almost broke my back convincing others. Their main complaint? They didn’t know what he stood for, other than just being not Bush. You don’t show people what you stand for by talking down to them about all the boring ins and outs of politics–you tell them how it’s going to effect their bottom line.
Like it or not, likeability and charisma play a large role in the electing of politicians. The republicans figured that out a long time ago. If you want to know what Barack’s policies are, investigate them. They are out there waiting to be discovered–but don’t expect him to spend valuable time in post-primary speeches explaining how repealing a ban on the government negotiating with drug companies will help ease the cost of healthcare when he can simply use that time to do what’s ultimately more important: convinving the huddled masses to get off their butts and vote for him so he can effect the changes that he wants to see–which, for better or worse, is done by inspiring them.
Sorry for the long post, but I just don’t want to blow the chance, however small, for even a little national unity and healing after such a divisive decade.
Posted by: Daniel Louden | February 7, 2008, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm
“Does it strike you as creepy that Hillary is starting to channel Obama? She’s picking lines from the speeches of Barack and Michelle Obama and making them her own. She’s taking voice lessons to try for better inflections in her voice. !!!!”
Ha! This is classic! Anyone who’s actually paid attention to American politics for more than a millisecond (so, this would leave out most of Obama’s followers) would know that it’s actually Barack Obama who has been trying to “channel” another famous Clinton (in the form of Bill) all along. The speeches he gives today sound like brushed off copies of those President Clinton gave 10 years ago.
Posted by: Coloradogirl | February 7, 2008, 11:30 pm 11:30 pm
It is true that Obama is different. It is true that sometimes he can go overboard with the hope thing. But just turn around and you can see that in our cynical culture, where making fun of the guy that tries against all odds, he’s the only shining political beacon of hope. It sounds cheesy, but is it true. I truly believe he can change people, because it happened to me.
Some months ago I was addicted to computer games. I woke up, played and went back to sleep for one year. But as I heard the news of someone trying to do the improbable in Iowa, as I heard Obama’s speeches and the size of his movement, I realized I could do better. I realized that I ddint have to settle for a grim future, that I could have a better future if I worked for it. And slowly I got off the computer, deleted my games and started doing productive things again.
Laugh and deride me all you want. Obama might end up being nothing but rhetoric. But AT LEAST he’s promising to change Washington as opposed to doing nothing. At least he’s trying to unite this country as opposed to just burn bridges. He might not end up changing Washington, nor changing the country, nor how the world works, but he at least changed one person.
Posted by: Ricardo | February 7, 2008, 11:39 pm 11:39 pm
This country is ready for a man or woman of any race to run this country. Its just probably not ready for either one on the democratic side. Its kinda funny, but I don’t know anyone personally who plans on voting for either one of these two this fall that hasn’t already voted for one or the other. Every time that I hear Obama sell his snake oil I think of Mark 13:14, which to paraphrase it says, When you see ‘the Obamanation that causes desolation standing where it does not belong—let the reader understand—then let those who are in America go to the voting booth and do their duty.
:-)
Posted by: Drew | February 7, 2008, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm
I think this quote from Gandhi sums it up the best: “First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win.”
The establishment, i.e. HRC does not offer anything new. She has taken more lobbyist $ than ANY republican candidate, namely from defense contractors and pharmaceutical companies. Anyone who thinks she will be able to end the war or solve health care is living in denial. Anyone who thinks the republicans aren’t relishing running against her in order to galvanize what is (and rightly should be after the last 7 + years) a beat down republican base, is also living in denial.
Furthermore, anyone who says Obama lacks substance has obviously not taken it upon themselves to look further than a 10 second mainstream media sound byte to inform themselves as to his policies. He offers a 64 page “Blueprint for Change” on his website, along with a fully detailed stance on virtually any issue imaginable.
Wake up people: The republicans are dying to run against HRC. Hello? If you’re interested in fighting the same old partisan battles please, cast your vote for HRC. If you’re tired of “politics as usual”, Obama is both inspiring and full of substance. I think that’s what scares the hell out of a lot of people because they haven’t seen anything like him in a long time. Cultish? No. Inspiring and full of substance? Yes. Again I digress to Gandhi: “First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win.”
Posted by: Natalie | February 7, 2008, 11:48 pm 11:48 pm
If you’re going to try and bring religion into this, at least try and make it funny.
Posted by: chakra | February 8, 2008, 12:00 am 12:00 am
I do believe in Obama in an almost religios way, but then, I am not a cult member. I believe in what he says becuase he means it, and it has been a while since I have seen that. Hillary has said what she believes at times, but she seems more calculating about her positions like a professional politican rather than a leader. Obama is a leader…and everyone needs a leader. Just becuase he has not sat down and compiled a chart with his beliefs on every issue it does not mean that he cannot make change. Just because Bush said he defined marraige as between a man and a woman it does not mean that any amendment came about setting it that way. Remember the campaigns professional calculating politicans run are usually NOT what they end up having to do in office.
Posted by: Bridget | February 8, 2008, 12:03 am 12:03 am
For every person that says that they have NO IDEA where Barack Obama stands on the issue point your browser to his website and take a look for yourselves. Go to the website for the Senate and look up his voting record. You all must be computer savvy. How hard it is to self educate yourselves on the choices we have to make?
You Obama worshippers just don’t get it. The ordinary people of America –and not some internet freaks–wanna hear from the man himself. You just can tell’em go to the website! Is that all you got when it comes to substance? I also refer you to Obama supporter Kathleen Geier: The Obama campaign’s instruction to their volunteers to steer clear of policy questions. How can we truly bring about real political change if the movement the Obama people are building is devoid of ideological content, content merely to mouth gauzy generalities about “coming together” and “yes we can”? Such a movement becomes a cult or personality rather than engine for social justice and political transformation.
Posted by: Josh | February 8, 2008, 12:05 am 12:05 am
the impression of cult like followers comes to mind when you see some of the rallies and this should not be sheer critizism. It is just hard to view, it loses the objectivity. Preaching is not a good way to discuss issues,which we try so hard to hear.
Posted by: Cinmouse | February 8, 2008, 12:08 am 12:08 am
Well, it seems like HRC gets the Obama message because she has revamped her campaign so you can barely tell it from Obama’s. I guess she wants to win pretty badly, but we all know that. Maybe if she held onto a position for more than a couple of weeks she could retain some supporters as well.
Perhaps God and the hopeful people in America are on Obama’s side, but HRC has Bill’s bank account and we all know which is more important.
Posted by: pun or dit | February 8, 2008, 12:19 am 12:19 am
I cannot figure out what it is about Obama that draws this kind of criticism? I have been impressed by his speech ability and the fact that he has given so many a vision of hope for a more just society that still allows room for choices. Hillary always comes across like she feels she’s the only one intelligent enough to make the big decisions. Her health care plan is great, but we should have the choice to opt out. Her tone is condenscending while Obama strives to be uplifting. He’s inspiring regardless of your religious or non-religious background.
Posted by: Deborah | February 8, 2008, 12:20 am 12:20 am
I do not hear any of these people giving detailed policy speeches. It is so easy to go and read these things – read it online or in the library. Democracy is a responsibility. If people are very excited about Obama and that makes them want to participate that is great. I worked for his campaign on the street and on the phone. No one ever said not to discuss policy for heaven’s sake. Where are you getting this nonsense? The one rule we had was not to be negative or attack other candidates. I talked to people on the phone who have not voted since 1990. Poor people that live out in the countryside in Republican country who see that he can lead and they want a leader to represent them. Yes, he has charisma – but that is a tool for getting people’s attention. The details are all in order – go check it out… barackobama.com or read the Congressional record – see his speech on the Senate Floor against the bankruptcy bill -
Posted by: Yocheved | February 8, 2008, 12:27 am 12:27 am
The Obamamania we see is senseless and dangerous.
What has Obama done to deserve the top job of the country ?? What has Obama done to deserve to be the President of the United States?
And I dont want to hear any more SPEECHES on “hope” , on “better days ahead” and on “we can”
Of course, we, the American people, can.
Question is whether OBAMA can?
We all KNOW , Hillary CAN because HILLARY HAS DELIVERED ..
When Hillary said in her Super Tuesday speech to take a chance with her and she promised to work everyday to deserve that vote, I believe her 100%.
She is a WORK HORSE … She WILL WORK and she WILL DELIVER on what she says she will do. She is not EMPTY talk.
I believe that if Hillary wins the White House, she will win a 2ND TERM as well.
Why? Because she is able !! And she will work to deserve your vote.
Posted by: FHC | February 8, 2008, 12:32 am 12:32 am
james Wolcott………..a US journalist very excited with your own words a believer in the religion of your writing CANNOT have educated himself on the Legislative abilities of OBAMA. Both in his home state and in the US Senate……..the record is their of his sbilities in ‘Legislative maneuvers and horse-trading’. Its also a shame that a supposedly hard working journalist writing of a presidential candidate has not really done proper reasearch……..OBAMA HAS MORE LEGISLATIVE EXPERIENCE THAN HILARY………..the USA ……….please guys do make good use of the internet age and ..the Library especially if you are a journalist.
Posted by: JAYLONDON(Jay) | February 8, 2008, 12:50 am 12:50 am
I’d say cult-like devotion might include posting the same message over and over again. And wow, it’s a good thing Hillary promised to work hard everyday…now she’s definitely more qualified than Obama. I just wish she could’ve worked that hard in the Senate. Maybe she could’ve passed her own bill, instead of riding Bill’s coattails.
Posted by: cj | February 8, 2008, 12:53 am 12:53 am
The scary thing about Obama is that little is demanded of him. His message of hope may be inspiring, but his track record as an agent of change in his own district was less than exceptional. He didn’t even notice those 11 slums that were being condemned by the city at the same time that the slumlord was contibuting to his campaign through surrogates.
I don’t want to join a movement. I don’t need to be saved. I want a President that has policies that work and understands that it may be difficult to implement them.
I saw George Bush get elected based on his empty promises and charisma….
I wonder if the power of the media and Obama’s gifted oratory are going to push this guy forward. If so expect the Senators from MA to be running the government. How interesting that 2 guys that couldn’t get elected will replace Rove. How scary is that?
Posted by: J Allen | February 8, 2008, 12:55 am 12:55 am
Great write up. Thanks to somebody for finally saying something. I thought for sure the way the media has made Obama a poster boy that they too had been caught in the rip tide. It’s nice to have some reality here.
Facts on Hillary are starting to surface, not just the MSM who try to take her out. Community organizing, Hillary did it first. Because of her, more than half the adults in Arkansas actually had a better education than what was in the cards before her. Health care, education, vets, 9/11 survivors, she stepped up to the plate. Facts are starting to surface, the frenzy of the slogan and oprah gushing filled campaign of obama are coming into the light… how’s that for a little religiosity?
Peace.
Hillary in 08′
A woman in the House!
Posted by: JHC | February 8, 2008, 12:56 am 12:56 am
Take the teleprompter and make him answer some questions for once. Preferably something besides “present” will come out of his mouth.
Hope don’t pay the rent….
Posted by: RichardJ | February 8, 2008, 1:00 am 1:00 am
“senseless and dangerous”
Maybe you don’t believe in democracy?
Maybe you think if a politician doesn’t put the crowd to sleep that they are dangerous?
HRC is not empty talk – she is inconsistent talk.
Posted by: pun or dit | February 8, 2008, 1:01 am 1:01 am
Clinton’s people are the truly delusional. “Obama’s all talk,but Clinton’s a workhorse, 35 years of experience, she’s gotten results, real solutions for the middle class, blah blah blah…” What has she done? Seriously, other than being elected to the Senate after a nationally televised 8 year audition, name one accomplishment that sets her aside from Obama. As an ardent Obama supporter, I’ll be the first to admit he doesn’t have the typical stacked resume, but he has accomplished as much in his 46 years as Hillary has in her 60+(?)…all on his own, mind you.
Posted by: finkmo | February 8, 2008, 1:05 am 1:05 am
Please, the people who say Obama’s speeches have no substance DO READ and DO LISTEN! There is no question that his speeches are full of empty words. The policies on his website, are they his ideas or someone else’s? Certainly, he does not anwser questions like a thoughtful person during the debates, at which time he had to be on his own without aids. Hillary showed clearly that she knows whole lot more with detailed plans than Obama! The only thing Obama keeps bragging about himself is that he opposed the war from the beginning. Well, he was not US Senator at that time, and he was not briefed with those info Bush provided. After Obama became US Senator, he had the same voting record as Hillary on the war. So, please, wake up: politics are not so simple, the decisions are often not so one-sided things. Did we know Bush would do things so stupidly in 2002? As an Ill. State Senator, Obama was in a different position then.
The people who say Obama’s speeches have no substance DO READ and DO LISTEN! Precisely because of it, we simply do not accept just words, we want to see records and see actions. Obama has none! It is just so obvious that he is not qualified to be the President, not now! Why don’t his supporters see this??? Obama is no JFK, no Bill Clinton. JFK was 3-term US Senator when he became the President; Bill Clinton was two-term Governer beofore he became the President. But Obama has no real records to back his words. It is simply too important to trust him with something as big as Presidency! Obama uses cult-like speeches to make up his obvious shortcomings – lack of experiences. Think about this: all he has been saying is like “Trust me, Yes We Can, although I have no records to back my words”. His supporters really should wake up, and see the things clearly:
(a) Obama does not have the record to show he is a real uniter – he has been very ungracious and rude to Hillary;
(b) supporting Obama now means sending Republican into White House again, and JM will leave troops in Iraq for 100 years, and will destroy this country! So, please, Obama’s supporters, if you really love this country, wake up and vote for Hillary. This is our only choice now.
Wake Up: the conservatives will NOT vote for Obama during the general election; the real independents will NOT vote for Obama if they really think.
As for Chris Mathews, do you know he was President Carter’s speech writer? So, he is a Democrat? But when Bush became President, Chris Mathews sounded often like a Republican. Now, he wants to destroy Hillary, and make Obama the nominee so that the Republicans can easily beat Obama during general election. Who is paying him to do all these? Is he speaking him minds on his show? He has been questioning whether Hillary was faking her tears in NH. So, is Chris Mathews faking now to cover HIS true purpose now? He definitely should be fired!
Posted by: JJ | February 8, 2008, 1:07 am 1:07 am
Anyone who thinks Obama will unite and Hillary divide is out to lunch. She has been fully vetted by the Republican machine for decades.
HE HAS NOT.
The media and the Republicans have not given him a thorough shake – in fact most Republicans I know didn’t realize he had done drugs in his youth (I don’t care, but tell that to a right-winger). In fact they said they would rather run against him because of all of the stuff just waiting to come out – that and his lack of experience.
Don’t get me wrong, if he gets it, I will vote for him any day over a Republican. But the fact that he is neck and neck with McCain, when they haven’t even sent their attack dogs at him, scares the heck out of me. Hillary is also neck and neck but as so many people have pointed out, they already have tons of what they call “dirt” on her that’s been out there.
Think about it!
Posted by: Sarah | February 8, 2008, 1:07 am 1:07 am
Thank you, thank you, thank you for this article. It’s about time. I’ve been waiting for someone–anyone–in the media to make this point. I get it–Obama is a gifted speaker and has provided “hope” to many. But at the end of the day, I have to have some substance and policy particulars. Hope will only get us so far post-Bush.
Posted by: Kari | February 8, 2008, 1:07 am 1:07 am
Obama has consistently given press releases on the details of his policies, but they are seldom published by the media. In addition, he has participated in many debates, but the questions posed to all candidates lack substance and in no way lead to meaningful debate that provide useful information from which Americans can make decisions. In every speech he talks about what he wants to do when he is President.
We can judge Obama’s integrity by the way he has run his campaign. It is a clean, grass roots funded campaign. He doesn’t take PAC money or money for corporate lobbyists in this campaign. This is just one example of his model of integrity. I hate what has happened to my country, and I do not want my descendants to pay the cost. Change is not a buzz word, our government is being run by Corporations and only individual Americans one by one can change that. I believe Hillary and Bill Clinton have shown they are willing patriots of the corruption and have run a down and dirty campaign against Obama resembling Rovian tactics that put Bush in office. Attacking on policy is useful and fair, but the Clintons have shocked and disappointed me by attacking with misinformation and attempted smears.
Obama’s appeal is to the basic principles of the Constitution, a reminder that our government is of the people, for the people and by the people and the way to change our government is to believe we can change it, unite, and form a majority. Thats what Senator Obama is talking about when he says we are the ones we have been waiting for – individuals have to think in terms of possibility, get involved, and use the voice the Constitution gives us. Hardly a cult.
Posted by: Katy7540 | February 8, 2008, 1:09 am 1:09 am
I never thought I would see the day when SOME Americans are fighting for pessimism, fear, settling, being mediocre and dismal.
America has been lied to, people have called America STUPID for voting Bush into office, not once but twice! The media is irresponsible and does a half ass job which doesn’t allow Americans to have the truth….
We NEED inspiration and hope. Obama is NOT a fluke. He is speaking truth and enlightenment to Americans, reminding us we ARE better, DESERVE better and can DO better. More importantly, the PEOPLE should be working with the government to push our country’s agenda. Not the government just telling us what THEY are gonna do and we should just jump on board and accept whatever it plans to do.
I wish you wrote this article back in 2000-2004 when Bush was TOTALLY using religious rhetoric regarding the axis of evil.
Change of direction!! TURN THE PAGE!!!
OBAMA ’08!
Posted by: Sarah | February 8, 2008, 1:10 am 1:10 am
Have you seen those shreeking women at the the Hillary rallies?
People go to a rally because they are excited about a candidate. They scream and cheer and throw money because they identify with that person in some way.
If you don’t want to go, or scream or cheer, or donate….YOU’RE FREE not to but don’t rain on others’ parade.
It just makes you look ENVIOUS! Pitiful, dsigruntled…
I don’t tell you how to sit around and grumble and be a pessimist!
Let me be me! and you be you and who cares.
Get on with your own life and stop worrying about how others experience this election!
Posted by: from MD | February 8, 2008, 1:15 am 1:15 am
calm down and grow up, children.
perhaps those of us who have had 3 or 4 decades of political experience don’t freak so readily?
there is nothing “cultish” about Senator Obama, for christ’s sake.
Senator Clinton..hmm . maybe you’all too young to get it how Clinton the First destroyed the dem party so that he Himself could stay in power because he was Right and Righteous?
grow up.
Posted by: julie | February 8, 2008, 1:17 am 1:17 am
John McCain will obliterate HRC in the general. Her mere presence on the ballot will cost Democrats Congressional seats as well. The Democratic party risks losing millions of new voters. Remember, Clinton 1.0 was what made Bush 2.0 possible. Why are you Clinton supporters hellbent on brushing aside the most promising Democrat in 40 years? To go back to the glorious 90s? To prove that women can be just as vile and morally bankrupt as men? You’re doing everything you can to set the party back 10 years, and that’s why I hesitate to call myself a Democrat anymore. It’s the party that can’t stay out of it’s own way.
Posted by: finkmo | February 8, 2008, 1:26 am 1:26 am
julie: Thank God, Bill Clinton stayed in White House for 8 years. When was the last Dem. President who stayed there for that long? Since the 2nd World War? That Bill Clinton stayed in White House for those year was good for the country overall or not? Why don’t you study some US history?
Posted by: JJ | February 8, 2008, 1:27 am 1:27 am
Great write up. Thanks to somebody for finally saying something. I thought for sure the way the media has made Obama a poster boy that they too had been caught in the rip tide. It’s nice to have some reality here.
Facts on Hillary are starting to surface, not just the MSM who try to take her out. Community organizing in the black community, Hillary did it before obama. Because of her, more than half the adults in Arkansas actually had a better education than what was in the cards before her. Health care, education, vets, 9/11 survivors, she stepped up to the plate. Facts are starting to surface, the frenzy of the slogan and oprah gushing filled campaign of obama are coming into the light… how’s that for a little religiosity?
Peace.
Hillary in 08′
A woman in the House!
Posted by: JHC | February 8, 2008, 1:34 am 1:34 am
“Anyone who thinks Obama will unite and Hillary divide is out to lunch. She has been fully vetted by the Republican machine for decades. HE HAS NOT.”
Sarah, that’s nice to think, but you know, there’s a lot of suspicious activities Bill’s been up to since leaving the office that will undoubtedly come up in the national election run up and sour Hillary’s chances, let alone questionable investments and donations with foreign nationals as she herself has got into. Let’s not forget the whole Khazikstan Unranium mine related deal Bill gave advice on which is jsut now starting to come out, a country which is highly repressive..and he compromised Amerca’s psotion as such, being a former PResident! you don’t think this will affect Hill’s run? I suspect there is good reason Hillary doesn’t want to release their joint income tax returns! Also, do you really think the mysogynist, Bill clitnon, could have kept himself squeeky clean from taking advantage of other women with his seemingly arranged poltical marriage? I highly suspect the GOP has dirt on him that will come out and will remind voters why we’ve had enough of the Clinton scandals. And yes, Hillary wants to associate herself with all things good about Bill but with it, comes all the negatives, aside from her own obvious issues.
Obama’s vetting has come at the hands of Hillary’s campaign. Anything the Clintons can find on Obama they will surely release, just like the dumb Rezko deal–seemingly the only thing they could find which is nothing in comparison to all the smoking guns the Clintons have! The Clintons are known for their character malignment of any opposition or anyone who stands in their way of their hunger for power. Anything the GOP could throw at Obama will not match what Clitnon will try now or has tried to no avail. The fact is, there isn’t anything else. It’s hard for Clinton supporters to get. After all, they are used to dirty tricks, back room deals, lies, and so on. It’s the way the Clitnon character is defined. They are only at ease in the mud pit mire Hillary was longing to pull Obama in a few debates back–”we’ve only just begun!” they have nothing even resembling class or genuine integrity.
Time to move on!
Posted by: Dennis | February 8, 2008, 1:38 am 1:38 am
Bill Clinton’s behavior and style of politics led to a Republican controlled Congress and the election of George W. Bush. We all know what happened next, so no, Bill Clinton was not good for the country. You people act like this hayseed huckster is getting carved into Mount Rushmore. His perceived successes were much more a result of time and place than any policy. Politically, his administration was a trainwreck that ended up bringing disastrous consequences to the country. Or was it all just because of the big bad Republicans picking on the poor defenseless Clintons? (For the record, I used to be fooled by them too…then I got all growed up and realized that both of them are actually reprehensible human beings who lie with an astonishing ease and sense of purpose)
Posted by: finkmo | February 8, 2008, 1:42 am 1:42 am
This Man Wants to President of the United States of America
New Addition: Speaking in front of crowds in New Orleans, Barrack Hussein Obama promised he would fix the problems with the levees……woo hoo.
Speaking in Idaho Barrack Hussein Obama expressed his support for gun ownership.
Speaking to Move-On.org Barrack Hussein Obama expressed his support for legalizing marijuana.
Speaking in California Barrack Hussein Obama expressed his support for drivers licenses for illegal aliens.
Speaking to his friend and reported cousin running for the Presidency of Kenya , Barrack Hussein Obama expressed his support for his friend, who also supports strict Muslim Sharia law, including putting women in vails.
Speaking to his friend Rezcko, a muslim immigrant from Syria, Barrack Hussein Obama expressed his support for not revealing too much about him to the federal investigators.
Speaking in the Illinois State Senate, Barrack Hussein Obama expressed his opposition to a law that would have stopped the killing of full-term healthy babies.
Speaking to a crowd of Hispanics, Barrack Hussein Obama said he would learn Spanish.
Speaking in Kansas, Barrack Hussein Obama admitted he was actually half-white.
Speaking in front of a national audience on television, Barrack Hussein Obama said that he would have to see how well Bill Clinton could dance before he could consider him a “brother”.
Speaking to national audience, Barrack Hussein Obama said he voted against the war, (or actually would have) and then voted to fund the war when he actually could vote.
Speaking in the Illinois State Senate, Barrack Hussein Obama expressed his opposition, no actually his support, well actually his “I don’t know” 130 times on votes on important legislation.
Speaking in the Illinois State Senate, Barrack Hussein Obama explained that sometimes he hit the wrong button during votes on important legislation.
Speaking in front of crowds in California, Barrack Hussein Obama said I am not a crazy muslim, I am a Christian and I attend a Christian church. (That just gave Louis Farrankhan, radical racist black Muslim, a lifetime achievement award).
Speaking in his own words in the books he wrote Barrack Hussein Obama said:
- We were always playing on the white man’s court — by the white man’s rules.
- Obama once described the white race as “that ghostly figure that haunted black dreams.”
- During college, Obama disapproved of what he called other “half-breeds” who gravitated toward whites instead of blacks.
- At age 33, he wrote in “Dreams from My Father, that ” he found solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against his mother’s race.
Posted by: Colonel Ray | February 8, 2008, 1:49 am 1:49 am
Jesus could have very well been in his time just as Obama is today. It is likely that much of the deifying of Jesus happened much after his execution. Admittedly, many present-day followers of Jesus get a little creepy. However, in his own time, he was only trying to get people to wake up and recognize what we all know in our gut: that it’s better to work together.
I, for one, am grateful to have such a man come to national attention within my lifetime. The positive change he has so far made is impressive and far-reaching.
Posted by: Andrew Heine | February 8, 2008, 1:52 am 1:52 am
“Operation Mockingbird” (2008). Google it & then try to sleep tonight…
Posted by: John P. | February 8, 2008, 2:02 am 2:02 am
What a bunch of crap! So if I happen to not want Hillary as my president and I do support Barack Obama I am a member of a cult? This is the kind of crap that makes a lot of us pretty sick and tired of some of the Clinton people. This approach is not winning Mrs. Clinton any friends. Give it up!
Posted by: Bill, NY | February 8, 2008, 2:03 am 2:03 am
I took David’s suggestion and listened to the message from Lawrence Lessig. Mr. Lessig sounds like a good friend of Obama. First, Lessig taught at the University of Chicago Law School. Obama taught a class (not a tenured professor) at the University of Chicago Law School. Lessig also taught at Harvard Law School (at the time Obama was attending Harvard since Obama went to law school late in life?) Lessig was born in the same year as Obama (1961) so they are the same age-no doubt they have common interests in addition to law. It would be interesting to know what Mr. Lessig past and present relationships are with Obama.
Lessig states that Obama’s policies are close to Hillary’s policies. However, it’s unclear what Obama’s policies are since he has changed them on several occasions.
Lessig mentions Integrity and Character as being in Obama’s favor. But looking at Obama’s background shows a man that has flipped flopped and made “bonehead” decisions. Lessig compares Hillary Integrity and Character based on Bill’s time in office. This is unfair and never the comparison never should have been made or mentioned. Lessig also discusses Hillary’s support for the Iraq War. What about Obama voting for funding the war on several occasions? While Obama states he has consistently opposed the war, his voting shows otherwise.
In my opinion, this video is another propaganda pieces for Obama followers.
Posted by: Tina | February 8, 2008, 2:07 am 2:07 am
It’s good to see the “Barack Hussein” guy followed up by the guy who reiterates Clinton’s lies about Obama’s Reagan comments. You’re great representatives of your candidate(I can only assume). The education gap between Clinton and Obama supporters becomes clearer and clearer every time I turn on the computer.
Posted by: finkmo | February 8, 2008, 2:08 am 2:08 am
The Republicans are going after moderates and whites while the Democrats are going after liberals and blacks. Wonder who’s gonna win??? DUHHHH.
Posted by: William Combs | February 8, 2008, 2:18 am 2:18 am
I’m sorry but I don’t understand why people think that Obama’s campaign is like a cult. I’ve been volunteering on his campaign for nearly a year now, and not once have I ever heard anyone say “come to obama.” Everyone I have met is dead serious about what they are doing and why they are doing it-most say that it’s the first time in a long time they’ve actually cared (myself included). Shouldn’t we be encouraging this kind of passion instead of criticizing it and calling it “messianic”? I may be too young to remember JFK but from everything my parents have said, I don’t recall anyone saying that either JFK or his supporters were somehow “messianic.” His supporters know he isn’t they (or others) perceive to be negative or just plain stupid. Not everyone agrees with him on every single issue-if they did they would REALLY be crazy. In terms of the kinds of emotions he brings out in people, it’s that he seems to speak directly to what people think and feel and want out of society these days. It’s that FINALLY someone is actually talking about ending the genocide in Darfur, and ending the partisan gridlock that paralyzes DC and the other issues that you’ve wanted the democrats to speak out about for so long, but haven’t. That is why you will see grown men (and women) cry at his rallies. He speaks to their hearts and seems to touch something inside of them and brings out their better angels. Go into any Obama campaign office or gathering of Obama volunteers and you will witness this firsthand. For all who like to criticize the passion his supporters have-wouldn’t it be nice if more Americans felt that way about government and politics? We should do more to encourage that, not call it cult-like. For all the complaining everyone does about low voter turnout, finally we have a race people care about that is generating record turnout, and you want to call one candidate’s supporters crazy. If I were you, I’d congratulate Senator Obama on his ability to get people involved and make them care. If only everyone could generate that kind of enthusiasm. If they did, would they be considered messianic and cult-like as well?
Posted by: BruinGirl | February 8, 2008, 2:21 am 2:21 am
It’s just nonsense that Hillary’s supporters are less educated. I am a college professor, holding a Ph.D., and many of my colleges feel exactly the same about Obama’s lack of experienes. Now, you are insulting everyone who does not support Obama becasue of his lack of experienecs. Maybe, just maybe, many better educated people, as well as those less educated, have common sense, like, someone who does not hold a Ph.D. cannot be hired as a professor in a Ph.D. granting university? Someone who has no sufficient experieces and records to back his words is not qualified to be the US President? We just ask more questions when it comes to who is a better choice for the President.
Posted by: JJ | February 8, 2008, 2:22 am 2:22 am
let me preface this by saying that I voted for Bill Clinton twice, would’ve voted for him a 3rd time if I could’ve and would support Hillary IF she got the nomination but I’m for Barack just for the simple fact that the next president is going to have to get something done and there is no way I see Hillary being able to put any kind of a governing coalition together to get anything meaningful done, not entirely her fault but the Clintons will do anything or say anything to win this election with the consequences to the Democratic Party be damnned. It was totally classless of President Clinton to mention after the South Carolina primary “well Jesse Jackson won here in 84 and 88″ I notice he didn’t mention “well I won here in in 92 and 96 and it worked out pretty good for me.” There is nothing wrong with voting for someone that speaks to about what can be good and right about this country. If you buy the experience argument of Hillary which amounts to 4 more years in the U.S. senate than Barack I suggest that if you are a Democrat you start a “draft Robert Byrd campaign” or if your’re a Republican start a “draft Ted Stevens campaign” because they are the two longest serving Senators of their respective political parties and therefore they are the most experienced which means that they would be the best to lead on day one. Give me a break on that!!!! I have to correct something that someone posted earlier in an anti Barack post when they were referring to President Kennedy, President Kennedy didn’t serve three terms in the Senate, he served 8 years, he was first elected in 1952 and was re-elected in 1958, he did serve 3 terms in the House from 1946-1952. Robert Kennedy by comparison was elected to the Senate in 1964 and served for 4 years and then ran for President, incidentially Barack Obama has served exactly 4 years in the Senate as well, not saying that Barack Obama is Bobby Kennedy but they had the same experience when it came to service in the Senate. If you want another example of the hogwash of Hillary’s experience argument try this resume on for size; no formal education, wasn’t much of a business man, the store he was a clerk at went out of business, later he became a small town lawyer and then served 4 years in the Illinois House of Representatives, after that he served one term in the U.S. House and then was defeated when he ran for re-election, later he ran for U.S. Senate twice and was beaten both times. Not a whole lot there to suggest that this person would be ready to lead on day one either; Any ideas on who this individual was? It was Abraham Lincoln. I’ll take the guy who speaks about hope and about what this country should and needs to be over someones perceived experience as first lady or what they did in the Senate in the 4 years before my guy got there and just to recap those 4 years included the Bush tax cuts and the Patriot Act, where was the experience and wisdom to stop those great ideas from becoming law?
Posted by: steve | February 8, 2008, 2:24 am 2:24 am
I am not part of Hillary’s campaign, and
I myself heard and watched un-edited tape of what Obama said about Reagan, Bill Clinton and Republicans’ ideas for the past 10-15 years. If you are not part of a cult, why don’t you watch the un-edited video or read the un-edited full text yourself, then decide what you want to say about the subject and about other people.
Posted by: JJ | February 8, 2008, 2:29 am 2:29 am
JJ: As someone who is also well educated, it’s obvious that Obama supporters attempt to intimidate others by any means possible. They cannot stick to the issues so they have to attack personally. This has been consistent with the Obama campaign because there is no substance to their policies. They have to attack others to deflect from Obama’s flaws. This tactic is very similar to cults, so Jake is right on the mark.
Posted by: Tina | February 8, 2008, 2:30 am 2:30 am
None of Obama’s supporters are equating Obama to Jesus except the media,nutjobs and Obama’s detractors. He’s making the media nervous because they had no intent to carry his water this far. They Hate Hillary/Bill but do you think they really want HIM to win. NOT! Most of you are liars in the first degree. You write a bunch of BS to make yourself look good on a message board. You had no intentions of voting for Obama and it has nothing his policies. McCain is going to sell what principles he has left down the river as he grovels for conservative approval for the office…yeah he’s really a better choice. Never mind the fact that he’s older than Methuselah. Yeah, he’s a really great choice for a four to eight year pressure cooker job. Sure, he’s the best choice. Bless your lying bigoted hearts. Amen.
Posted by: Wildcate | February 8, 2008, 2:36 am 2:36 am
Thank you, Tina.
Posted by: JJ | February 8, 2008, 2:37 am 2:37 am
I came to Obama months ago. And I do see a messianic tone in Barack.
Matthew, Chapter 4 verse 19: And Jesus saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.
He gives us hope like Jesus.
Posted by: Matt | February 8, 2008, 2:47 am 2:47 am
You know it is almost funny how everyone slams Obama for lack of policies yet they are almost the same as Hillary’s. Maybe a little different here or there but for the most part the same. If you haters out there could take just a little time and check it out on his website or maybe look at his record and see all the good work he has done this far you would stop your stupid retoric against him. That is assuming you could stop wasting your time posting hate here and elsewhere across the web. The difference between the two candidates is who plays well with others, you know gets them to work with them on changing the things that need changed, get new thing introduced and then passed because there is a majority not a slash and burn fight till the bitter end stratergy. I don’t know who has that record? McCain and Obama. I don’t see Hillary playing well with others she is more like the bully who takes control and bosses the other kids around, the other problem with that is the it is going to be a sad 4 years of more of the same if she gets elected because the other side won’t want to work with her and if history is any judge the Republican will win back the senate and house in 2 years.
Posted by: e | February 8, 2008, 2:54 am 2:54 am
Newsnag’s comments below sort of confirm the article’s validity:
there is no substance in any of his arguments just vagueness.
The last sentence in his (Newsnag) post is also right down the line of confirming the article’s valid concerns.
Posted by: vince P | February 8, 2008, 3:03 am 3:03 am
Here’s the thing about Obama.
If he gets elected, he’ll run into the same problem that Bush did.
Few talk about it now, but do you remember how Bush ran as a ‘uniter’ not a ‘divider’?
Obama is playing the same game….and his policies are (from what I can tell) very, very liberal.
You can’t unite Washington or this country if you’re too far one way or another.
Obama is all rhetoric. Once the honeymoon wears off….people are going to see him for what he is. A dedicated leftist….and it’s going to anger 1/2 this country as much as 1/2 (more than 1/2) despise Bush.
Posted by: jim | February 8, 2008, 3:21 am 3:21 am
Our country is in serious peril.The economy is in a mess.The housing crisis isn’t over yet and several more people are going to lose their homes.The other shoe is ready to drop with an impending credit crunch or the mortgage insurers going down.The budget deificit is setting us back decades and we are being bailed up by the Chinese and the Arabs.We have a health care crisis and 50 million and counting without coverage.There is a an unnecessary war going on while there are jihadists waiting to strike.The environment is going to the dogs.GWB does not care.Do any of you care or you think an american idol would do the job.For crying out loud, this is not a beauty pagent.This is the race for presidency of the US and the free world and the toughest job in the world. We are in a crisis.Elect Hillary or go bust.This is no time to take a chance.Don’t waste time on pettiness.Elect someone who knows, is strong and will get the job done.Go Hillary
Posted by: VPNNathan | February 8, 2008, 3:50 am 3:50 am
A cult implies people are following him without questionning or evaluating his ideas. They are moved by the leader and accept him as absolute no matter what the facts are. If anyone tries to bring talking points questioning the leader they are seen as evil, stupid, racist … There is no discussion possible. I am sure not all Senator Obama followers are like that, but it is scary that many are.
In most of the posts below, the arguments are not substantive but instead are emotional to support Senator Obama.
I was an Edwards man, started to lean towards Senator Obama, but now am getting turned off as this is appearing like a no substance campaign. Senator Obama turned down debating which is interesting. I am now leaning towards Senator Clinton, at least until the next debate.
Posted by: vince | February 8, 2008, 3:50 am 3:50 am
Thank you for making this post, I was beginning to think I was the only one getting totally creeped out by the glazed eyed obama hysteria.
Posted by: JohnCA | February 8, 2008, 3:52 am 3:52 am
Hillary will be ready immediately when she enters the White House. She is brilliant, knows all the world leaders. She will be change and her experience, her connections will be the only way we can have change.
Barrack only agrees, maybe to 2 debates?? He claims he wants to spend more time with his voters. He can spend an hour a week with MILIIONS of voters if he agreed to weekly debates. Why is no one questioning his book?
His nuclear energy connections. It’s endless really.
Quote from Barack Obama’s book, Dreams Of My Father:
“The person who made me proudest of all, though, was [half brother] Roy .. He converted to Islam.”
From ‘Dreams of my Father’, “In Indonesia, I had spent two years at a Muslim school”
“I studied the Koran..”
From ‘Audacity of Hope: “Lolo (Obama’s step father) followed a brand of Islam ….”I looked to Lolo for guidance”.
From ‘The Audacity Of Hope, “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”
From The Audacity Of Hope, “We are no longer just a Christian nation,” “We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.”
From Dreams of My Father, ” I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER’S RACE”.
From ‘Dreams of my Father’, “The emotion between the races could never be pure….. the other race would always remain just that: menacing, alien, and apart.”
From ‘Dreams of My Father’,
“I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites”
From Dreams Of My Father, “never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself..”.
From Dreams Of My Father:
“That hate hadn’t gone away,” he wrote, blaming “white people — some cruel, some ignorant, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives.”
From Dreams Of My Father;
“There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs,” he wrote. “It remained necessary to prove which side you were on,to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names”
From Dreams Of My Father, “I had grown accustomed, everywhere, to suspicions between the races.”
Just how clear does Obama have to make his disdain for the white race and his admiration for Islam?? Imagine if Hillary or Romney had said:
” I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST THE BLACK RACE”.
“The emotion between the races could never be pure….. the BLACK race would always remain just that: menacing, alien, and apart.”
“never emulate BLACK men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the WHITE MAN,- SON OF AMERICA,-that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself..”.
IF A WHITE CANDIDATE HAD THOSE REMARKS OUT IN PRINT, THEY WOULD BE CRUCIFIED.
I went to YouTube to look up his speeches to La Raza (Mexican militant support group for illegal aliens) and heard for myself his pandering of the illegals. Go to YouTube and listen to his speeches. Type in Barack Obama, La Raza, illegal aliens and hear him yourself)
Posted by: Janet | February 8, 2008, 4:10 am 4:10 am
The Kennedy Clan and so many others that want to sweep Obama in to the Presidency, want a person they can mold and control. They know Hillary is strong and is Presidential. She will listen but not be manipulated. She has handled more scrutiny than most men. Rush and the others are playing a head game. They know Hillary can withstand any attack. They really want Obama as they will destroy him with his inexperience.
He will not just slip right in without a debate and he will not do well. McCain can beat him.
In 4 or 8 years he will be ready.
Well Michelle Obama, she is not Jackie, she is and should want to be Michelle Obama. After the Oprah effect she will need celebrity rehab. They lost me when Michelle said “WAKE UP THE BLACK COMMUNITY!”. Yet they want to attack Bill Clinton for his remarks which were not in the same content.
If Bill were to say Wake up White people, vote for experience. It is no different and we should realize this. But the media finds M.O’s comments acceptable. She states she is not certain she can suppport Hillary should she win the nomination. Wow, that’s reaching across the isle material. Barrack did not even have a vote when we went to war. His speech afterwords was hindsight and a prelude to his running for president . Since having a vote he has had ample opportunity to vote no on every issue regarding Iraq but does not. Well that’s right he misses votes. I am speaking as passionate as any Obama supporter. If we did not have such an amazing person as Hillary than Obama would have my support as a Democrat. But I would be sad as we will not beat McCain and possibly Huckabee with Obama. He can’t handle the pressure. CNN has told top Dem strategists James Carville, Paul Begala, and Robert Zimmerman due to complaints from Obama???????????? Go to CNN
What If Tim Russert, Andrea, Wolf
were taken off? They are pretty obvious of thier dislike of the Clinton’s.
What happens if Obama won, He or Oprah can make it like FOX. No one can speak badly about B.O.
Posted by: Janet | February 8, 2008, 5:15 am 5:15 am
I really question the purpose of this article in the first place.
Those people who cynically ridicule Obama’s crowd for “weirdness” because they mention hope possess their own idiosyncratic responses of a different sort.
You even mention “defense contractor fraud” to THAT crowd, and they go into a satanic swirl and accuse you of being unpatriotic.
I was in the military for thirteen years. When you price challenge a $700 sheetmetal screw that subsequently corrects to 8 cents (not a special one for $8.00 or even 80 cents…but 8 cents), you get the vague feeling that the American taxpayer is getting royally screwed on an even bigger scale.
Odds are prett good that this is true.
The fact is that this cult mentality of making “defense” the holy tabernacle in the desert is enabling the defense contracting arena to become another workfare scam, an entitlement…but of the worst sort…regulated, in many cases by themselves in the lobby, certain they deserve it.
And when you bring this up, when you mention that no-bid contracts might just be favors, the defend-the-homeland-at-any-cost worshippers’ heads spin 360 degrees.
I think THAT’S a little strange to tell you the truth.
So I’ll take high religious terms, any day, over the low, reptilian, darker ones.
Posted by: Dana Shields | February 8, 2008, 5:30 am 5:30 am
this country doesn’t need a technocrat
or a business man or woman, this nation needs someone to inspire all americans to take responsibility for this nation,to trust in democracy and really believe in it not give lip service while we boast to everyone else and fail at it ourselves,every decade since i have been of voting age we have overthrown some nation under the pretense of democracy,but the reasons are always the same -for business or for military expenditures. think of the
words of a replublican general and president ” beware of the military industrial complex it may be a greater threat to our national security than communism itself” dwight d e,1950′s. and now we are being asked to spend close to a trillion dollars on a military budget alone..are we going to keep buying cars from the same crooked car lot year after year after year, you better unplug the tv and detox from the mind control.MORE OF THE SAME..I DONT THINK SO, I KNOW THAT IS A FATAL ROAD, i’ll take my chances on a little inspiration
Posted by: palco1107 | February 8, 2008, 5:38 am 5:38 am
Obama and his followers are a dangerous cult. The only ones that don’t realize it are the ones who have been brainwashed by him.
This article makes direct quotes of people who once supported Obama and realized he was a CULT.
Posted by: dirty harry | February 8, 2008, 5:58 am 5:58 am
The electorate is becoming un-jaded. How is that a bad thing? Politics is, for a moment, becoming about something more than rancor and scandal. Could it be that this is why people are once again engaging? Why we are seeing young people actually tranferring their energy and enthusiasm into votes? Why are there record numbers turning out for this primary season? Obama is far from the second coming. He has been in politics long enough to understand the game and he plays it well. At the same time, he offers this country politics plus: solid policy with enough hope and unity to move a nation and create the kinds of political coalitions needed to bring this country back from the brink of economic instability and international disgrace.
Posted by: Ashley L | February 8, 2008, 6:54 am 6:54 am
Obama1 is nothing more than a cult leader. Look at how his flock jumps up in down screaming “yes we can”. It’s plain weird.
Posted by: jas | February 8, 2008, 7:00 am 7:00 am
This piece is spot on. As a country, need to make a rational choice this time–to vote with our heads, not our hearts. I want a candidate to address intelligent, actionable policy prescriptions, not to sermonize about hope and change and leave me wondering what, precisely, he means. Obama’s Super Bowl commercial is a case in point–it asserted in bold letters “WE CAN SAVE THE PLANT”…..”WE CAN CHANGE THE WORLD.” I’m tired of presidents biting off more than they can chew, particularly those who don’t have the inclination or discipline to focus their aspirations into detailed, meaningful plans. E.g. it would have been nice to know how precisely Bush was going to bring democracy to the middle east; similarly it would be nice to know how Obama is going to change the world….
Posted by: njh | February 8, 2008, 7:08 am 7:08 am
My concern is what Senator Obama will have to pay Ms. Winfrey for her participation. As Ms. Winfrey will do nothing that is not in her self interest. She is one of the most Spiritually malnourished, if not bankrupt people on the planet.
Senator Obama better be ready (and aware) that she comes with a heavy price. For what is done from the ego brings nothing but unhappiness. Case in point, she built that wonderful school for those children in Africa, however, if it was done from the spirit it would bring Ms. Winfrey permanent happiness, however as it was done from the ego (bring the camera’s to see what I have done)she was happy but all of five minutes. No sooner was it opened, a child was abused and you had Ms. Winfrey on television with her “this is the worst thing to ever happen to me” routine. Again and again, she will reap the laws of the universe.
For Ms. Winfrey (ego)to assume she can influence a general election unhappiness will undoubtly follow.
Senator Obama better be careful as to the unhapppiness of Ms. Winfrey’s “ego” will bring to his compaign. Also, he better rid himself of her and quickly. If you choose to give her a set of keys to the White House she will be your demise. For nothing good comes from the ego, nothing.
Posted by: Mark David | February 8, 2008, 7:49 am 7:49 am
It’s pretty naive to think of the Obama campaign, or any political campaign, as a cult. Not only that, but it’s just plain stupid. A real cult is on the scale of the Branch Davidians or the Jim Jones crowd. I just don’t see that type of extremism in this or any other political campaign. No one here is drinking spiked Kool Aid or having guns pointed at their heads if they don’t believe “yes we can.” If people don’t like Obama because they think he’s a cult leader, don’t vote for him. And please don’t follow his “empty” rhetoric. I would say the same thing for other leaders who just happened to be intelligent and aspiring figures. The cynics became awestuck when these leaders who spewed their “empty” rhetoric were the same ones who eventually got things done.
Posted by: ekm621 | February 8, 2008, 8:15 am 8:15 am
I support Sen. Barack Obama for President of the United States. This article is down right crazy. You have to understand…before Obama—I for one had lost hope in our goverment. So in turn I know that others have as well…so here comes along someone that can get people to work well together, and for our country…and help him lead. There is nothing crazy about that…it simply shows that people know a leader when they see one. In regard to Hillary…Obama has never brought to our attention or the world’s attention all of the crazy things wrong with Hillary’s persona or background…that attention has been diverted…because he is smart…I could go on…
But don’t say his movement is crazy…without understanding what a movement is…
Posted by: Mashawnda Dowell | February 8, 2008, 8:17 am 8:17 am
In the early morning hours I came across this blog and all I can say is what a bunch of blather. I suspect it’s all because Hillary Clinton inspires no one. She’s a smart woman and a lawyer (like Mr. and Mrs. Obama) who happens to be married to Bill Clinton…and all this experience she keeps talking about was as Bill’s wife. Granted she parlayed that into becoming a NY senator…but this 35 years of experience she keeps talking about?! Give me a break.
Posted by: Susan | February 8, 2008, 8:17 am 8:17 am
Release Hillary Tax information! She loaned, not donated 5 mil to her campaign!And who are these people voting for her, sound like they like to back scandalist people!All you younger people need to show up in force at the polls, your numbers will out rival all the older voters!Your future is tied up in this Election.A vote for Hillary is not a change but a step back!
Posted by: Demo Rules | February 8, 2008, 8:18 am 8:18 am
It’s pretty naive to think of the Obama campaign, or any political campaign, as a cult. Not only that, but it’s just plain stupid. A real cult is on the scale of the Branch Davidians or the Jim Jones crowd. I just don’t see that type of extremism in this or any other political campaign. No one here is drinking spiked Kool Aid or having guns pointed at their heads if they don’t believe “yes we can.” If people don’t like Obama because they think he’s a cult leader, don’t vote for him. And please don’t follow his “empty” rhetoric. I would say the same thing for other leaders who just happened to be intelligent and aspiring figures. The cynics became awestruck when these leaders who spewed their “empty” rhetoric were the same ones who eventually got things done.
Posted by: ekm621 | February 8, 2008, 8:26 am 8:26 am
This article is very dangerous. It suggests labels on people. I think if the writer feels creeped out it is just his/her problem. He should tried to solve it alone rather than throwing trash onto people.
Posted by: Alma | February 8, 2008, 8:42 am 8:42 am
folk get the facts just straight. I actually happen to know that it is the Repulicans who are just posting this worthless article about Obama. Only because they realized that he will beat Mccain. Hillary is a good friend of Mccain and they know that he can beat her in November if she gets the party nomination. It will be very much easier for Mccain to deal with her than Obama. If you really need a dem in the oval office, Obama is the one to consider. Trust me, Hillary will not win the election in November at least for the following reasons.
1. Her family have already surfaced race . Many africa american are extremily disappointed with them. They are actually know organizing e-mails to vote agianst her in November.
2. She has very much in common with Mccain and changing her position for the seek of this election will cost her not only the game but also her reputation.
Posted by: Tesfaw | February 8, 2008, 8:43 am 8:43 am
I saw this same messianation of Obama in Iowa. The cult he spawned left behind reason so they could push people around in a frenzy to get them to support Obama.
When students who can’t get Iowa resident tuition at the state’s universities decide they are eligible to caucus in droves, you know cult behavior. Why else would folks shelve the honor system, jump on the Obama buses (literally) to return to Iowa during their Winter break to throw the game for their candidate. We know in cults, the “god leader” trumps reason, laws and honor and that’s just what the Obama worshipers did.
Thanks to Tapper and his sources, we have been warned.
BTW I have nothing to do with the HRC campaign but would take a panderer over a charleton any day.
Posted by: JoAnnCr | February 8, 2008, 8:55 am 8:55 am
At this time, we need someone who can lead the country, improve our economy and regain our image in the world and not prophet (Obama).
Posted by: John | February 8, 2008, 8:59 am 8:59 am
The Obama campaign all too often is about how wonderful the Obama campaign is. “ – AMEN AMEN AMEN!! Thank the Lord some in the Media are FINALLY starting to get creeped out by the crowds chanting “OBAMA, OBAMA, OBAMA”. I have nothing against the man, but what are his policies?? What EXACTLY is he going to do to bring around change in America? What HAS he done thus far to show he can handle the Republicans? He gives surmons, says he will bring change and walks off stage. THAT IS NOT ENOUGH AMERICA, be very careful who you vote for.
Posted by: Ryan Healey | February 8, 2008, 8:59 am 8:59 am
I watched a young woman standing behind and to the left of Obama during the Super Tuesday speech. She did, indeed, seem to be in a state or rapture and it finally became disturbing. I become uncomfortable whenever I see masses of people enthralled, whether in a religious ceremony or in the public square. I remember the mad gleam in the eyes of Charles Manson’s followers back in the old days. I know that Obama is not a psychopath, but all fervor originates in the same part of the psyche. What is going on here?
Posted by: Patricia | February 8, 2008, 8:59 am 8:59 am
How dare Obama supporters question the intellegence and education of those who do not support him.
So Mr. Obama, How will you build leevees that will without question withstand category 5 hurricanes?
Posted by: geevill | February 8, 2008, 9:04 am 9:04 am
Tesfaw – Trust me, Hillary can and will win the general election. Why do you think the republicans and the press have been giving Obama a free pass and attacking Hillary? They know they need to get Obama in the general and then it’s all over for the dems. McCain won’t even look back as he rolls over Obama…..
Posted by: JKK | February 8, 2008, 9:15 am 9:15 am
Wow–lot’s of “sour grapes” from the Hillary supporters! Simple jealousy directed against a candidate with unbelievable charisma. Hillary has none–everything she says and does just looks phony.
Posted by: Eric | February 8, 2008, 9:17 am 9:17 am
The majority of primary voters so far have disagreed that Obama has that “charisma” you cult members speak of. . Most people never got the “charisma” of David Koresch or Jim Jones either.
Posted by: geevill | February 8, 2008, 9:21 am 9:21 am
I am an Obama supporter. I agree that many of his followers have turned this into a cult like atmosphere (again, not all). My word of caution is to the parents of some of the young people. WATCH THE BEHAVIOR OF YOUR CHILDREN CLOSELY. If he were to loose the election I fear that some of these kids are not stable and don’t have the maturity to handle it. I hope this story does not turn more ugly as time goes on.
Posted by: jas | February 8, 2008, 9:27 am 9:27 am
Geevill–come on–really?
I think people are finally just enthusiastic, which actually is kind of refreshing in today’s politics.
Posted by: Eric | February 8, 2008, 9:29 am 9:29 am
I used to have respect for Jake Tapper and ABC News. Somehow this article has removed some of that respect. Barack Obama’s campaign IS a political campaign that has drawn millions of people to Get Out and Vote! It has drawn young, old, male, female, black, white, Asian, Hispanic, Jew, Christian, Muslim, I could go on and on. People want CHANGE and they know Barack is the only person who can truly bring that change to America.
Posted by: Roberta | February 8, 2008, 9:37 am 9:37 am
Obama lottery is on sale with the tag of change and hope. Everyone wants change… But this does not mean to put every thing on lottery (Obama)…. Very few wins the lottery and not all. Think/check/research before you vote.
Posted by: John | February 8, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am
All you hear is everyone saying “Obama is all talk, all he is is talk”.
Wake up people! People don’t realize that’s what ALL the presidential candidates are doing! That’s all that anyone of them can do right now. All they can do right now is talk, because they’re not president yet. Obama is the only one people talk about. But I feel that he will bring change to the White House. And I feel he will unite this country. He is inspiring me. I am a 23 year old young woman and I can’t wait to vote.
Posted by: Helena486 | February 8, 2008, 9:50 am 9:50 am
I am so happy to finally find someone saying something true (critical) about Obama. I am Black and I’m voting for Hillary. Yes, when Obama gives a speech it does sound cult-like and its sickening! I can only watch 1-2 minutes.
Folks, do you really want a First Lady (Michelle Obama) representing you that says, “If you don’t vote for my husband and you’re Black, then you are asleep”??? I was beginning to think that I was the only one that was not sleepwalking. Jane
Posted by: Jane | February 8, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am
Spock…when I saw your post I had to post again. Right on!
Posted by: Jane | February 8, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am
I find this article to be ludicrous almost to the point of absolute amusement. The tone and bias of the writer is utterly transparent: He does not like Obama. That’s fine. Might I suggest a novel idea: Don’t vote for him! It is unnecessary to convict an entire group of supporters to further bolster such an obvious biased agenda.
Posted by: Jennifer | February 8, 2008, 9:59 am 9:59 am
You people have nothing better to do with your time I see. Was it not both Hillary and Obama who asked their true supporters to not play these games. I don’t understand how this ” change” is going to take place if the supporters
of the campaign that is talking hope does nothing but bash the experienced canidate. If this is the change and hope you have for our country, we are in for more trouble than Bush ever created. How about some hopeful blogs
and change your attacks on Clinton to support for your canidate. Clinton supporters at least talk about issues and experience. If Obama has a great record.Lets talk about it. However,
calling a women a name and distorting her service to our country is not change. Obama and Hillary are not enemies, so why the hatred.
Once again, to Obama supporters, is this the hope and change you want? If you want change, is being hateful the best way to achieve that goal. I think not. Talk about your canidate,don’t spread lies about the other. That same
thought goes to real Hillary supporters.
I am very,very disappointed when your guy Obama refuse on national tv saying that he was not going to debate Hillary
any more and he expect us to vote for him.This sounds very creepy to me and all my friends.We are now 100% supporting Hillary. I want to ask Obama supporters,what is he afraid of? In this
case,Hillary won us over big time and I find it hard if he is going to hold his own when the republican war machines come after him.If can not debate a woman. Hillary is a strong woman and that is what we need right at the moment. HILLARY ’08
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Posted by: UGOCHUKWU | February 8, 2008, 9:59 am 9:59 am
Tom Cruise is also “Enthusiastic”. Wonderful, so you are pumped about Obama. You feel all warm and fuzzy inside. WE GET IT. This is the exactly point Jake is making. I am not “enthusiastic” about Clinton or McCain. Yet I realize they at least can make responsible decisions if elected. Voting present is not responsible.
Posted by: geevill | February 8, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am
Here’s an interesting statistic — according to the CNN exit polls for all the primaries contested thus far (does not include caucuses where exit polling is not done). Senator Clinton beats Senator Obama in the category of who is most qualified to be commander in chief by an average of 50.1% to 36.3%. She even took this category in many of the strates where Senator Obama squeaked out a win in the popular vote.
YES WE CAN…WHAT?
Posted by: Kris in PA | February 8, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am
This is silly, Obama’s supporters are enthusiastic. Oh MY GOD!!!! NO!!!!!
Obama has supporters because he has solid policy goals and has outlined clear plans for increasing government transparency and reducing the roles of special interest groups that have gained unfair levels of influence. He calls it change, because it is a change from the standard politics of money. If that is a cult, I’m in it.
Using partisan disinformation as the basis of a news article is an assault on journalism. Perhaps that is why they eliminated the journalism major at my University, no one cares about real journalism anymore.
Posted by: Dan from Texas | February 8, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am
Let me ask this: when the Kennedy era created the same movement among youth, was it also called a cult? I think the writers are just bored and looking to “resurrect” a new topic since no scandals exist.
Posted by: Sis O, IA | February 8, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am
It’s okay for hillary’s establishment supporters to support her but it’s not okay for our grass roots movement to support him? I speak with passion about Obama because I’m tired of the status quo. I think Obama has a better argument of war against McCain.
This is article was written to level Obama supporters. Leveling is a tactic used to try to bring down people. Just cuz we are positive doesn’t mean we are stupid. Just because we aren’t cynics doesn’t mean we are not strong enough to fight back against the Clinton Supporters and their lies.
Why isn’t this a story? Hillary goes Upset in front of camera’s, saying her supporters are not being paid but then we find out after she raises 7 million that they were always being paid and it was not true. That she manipulated people to get money from her supporters.
Posted by: Chloe | February 8, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am
once again i look for a reason to stay with my choice to support obama — and once again all i find is hatred and vicious divisiveness coming from the people who support him. somehow i can’t imagine that a true “uniter” would have
the most horrific following of supporters i was going with edwards and since he droped out,I choose Hillary clinton. both of their plans are similar and their health care is stronger than obama’s.Obama wasn’t even able to vote when the iraq war came up — not there yet…and every vote since then, when he was there, he supported it.misogyny is not a part of either edward’s or clinton’s agendas — and with all the hillary and bill bashing — there is not nearly as much media empathizing with sexism as with racism.
it is really getting sick and it will only bring obama down in the end. the more hatred you people spew — the more that affects your candidate.i would like to know why this is though. why
are obama’s supporters such hateful people? what is it? fear? ignorance? anger? bad upbringing? too much money?
Posted by: UGOCHUKWU | February 8, 2008, 10:23 am 10:23 am
HRC has been telling America that she is the most qualified candidate based on her ‘record,’ which she says includes her eight years in the White House as First Lady and her seven years in Senate. Here is a reminder of what that record includes:
As First Lady, Hillary assumed authority over Health Care Reform, a process that cost the taxpayers over $13 million. She told both Bill Bradley and Patrick Moynihan, key votes needed to pass her legislation, that she would ‘demonize’ anyone who opposed it. But it was opposed; she couldn’t even get it to a vote in a Congress controlled by her own party. (And in the next election, her party lost control of both the House and Senate.)Hillary assumed authority over selecting a female Attorney General. Her first two recommendations, Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood, were forced to withdraw their names from consideration. She then chose Janet Reno. Janet Reno has since been described by Bill himself as ‘my worst mistake.’ Hillary recommended Lani Guanier for head of the Civil Rights Commission. When Guanier’s radical views became known, her name had to be withdrawn. Hillary recommended her former law partners, Web Hubbell, Vince Foster, and William Kennedy for positions in the Justice Department, White House staff, and the Treasury, respectively. Hubbell was later imprisoned, Foster committed suicide, and Kennedy was forced to resign. Hillary also recommended a close friend Craig Livingstone, for the position of director of White House security. Livingstone was investigated for improper access of up to 900 FBI files of Clinton enemies (“Filegate”) and the widespread use of drugs by White House staff, both Hillary and her husband denied knowing him. FBI agent Dennis Sculimbrene confirmed in a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing 1996, both the drug use and Hillary’s involvement in hiring Livingstone. After that, the FBI closed its White House Liaison Office, after serving seven presidents for over thirty years. In order to open “slots” in the White House for her friends Thomasons (to whom millions of dollars in travel contracts could be awarded), Hillary had the entire staff of the White House Travel Office fired; they were reported to the FBI for ‘gross mismanagement’ and their reputations ruined. After a thirty-month investigation, only one, Billy Dale, was charged with a crime mixing personal money with White House funds when he cashed checks. The jury acquitted him in less than two hours. Another of Hillary’s assumed duties was directing the ‘bimbo eruption squad’ and scandal defense: —- She urged her husband not to settle the Paula Jones lawsuit. —- She refused to release the Whitewater documents, which led to the appointment of Ken Starr as Special Prosecutor. After $80 million dollars of taxpayer money was spent, Starr’s investigation led to Monica Lewinsky, which led to Bill lying about and later admitting his affairs. —- Then they had to settle with Paula Jones after all. —- And Bill lost his law license for lying to the grand jury —- And Bill was impeached by the House. —- And Hillary almost got herself indicted for perjury and obstruction of justice (she avoided it mostly because she repeated, ‘I do not recall,’ ‘I have no recollection,’ and ‘I don’t know’ 56 times under oath). – Hillary wrote ‘It Takes a Village,’ demonstrating her Socialist viewpoint. – Hill ary decided to seek election to the Senate in a state she had never lived in. Her husband pardoned FALN terrorists in order to get Latino support and the New Square Hassidim to get Jewish support. Hillary also had Bill pardon her brother’s clients, for a small fee, to get financial support. – Then Hillary left the White House, but later had to return $200,000 in White House furniture, china, and artwork she had stolen. – In the campaign for the Senate, Hillary played the ‘woman card’ by portraying her opponent (Lazio) as a bully picking on her. – Hillary’s husband further protected her by asking the National Archives to withhold from the public until 2012 many records of their time in the White House, including much of Hillary’s correspondence and her calendars. (There are ongoing lawsuits to force the release of those records.) – As the junior Senator from New York, Hillary has passed no major legislation. She has deferred to the senior Senator (Schumer) to tend to the needs of New Yorkers, even on the hot issue of medical problems of workers involved in the cleanup of Ground Zero after 9/11. – Hillary’s one notable vote; supporting the plan to invade Iraq, she has since disavowed. Quite a resume’. Sounds more like an organized crime family’s rap sheet.
Posted by: LauraH | February 8, 2008, 10:33 am 10:33 am
folks, when obama keeps talking about change, he means that’s all you’ll have left if he’s elected and raises taxes. hold onto your wallets! all of your hard earned dollars are about to be ripped away and given back out to illegals and others without jobs who somehow feel entitled to them!
Posted by: liz | February 8, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am
By the way….I’m sick of hearing people claim that Hillary is manipulating supporters for money. I subscribe to both their websites and receive four times as many request for money from the Obama campaign that I receive from Hillary. Nothing more than Obama using his claim of having more donated dollars as a manipulative means of translating dollars to votes. Personally, I’m more impressed that Hillary so speaks for the interest of all Americans that she is willing to make such a personal investment for those who honestly can’t. Gee…I’d bet she’d even be willing to send some money to Obama’s poor Grandmother in Kenya that has to live in a hut while her Grandson makes six figures but can’t seem to help her out.
Posted by: Jackie | February 8, 2008, 10:37 am 10:37 am
Perhaps this tough-hearted bunch on here doesn’t understand how dangerously America has gotten off track. I’ve endured the last seven years shadowed by a pervasive doom which temporarily left me at rock bottom. Many of us were in a very deep hole because we lost not only our pride in our country but the belief things can actually get better. This situation that the slumbering American public has allowed has left an internal anger that has poisoned my insides.
I’ve always been a big picture/solving the issues person, striving to understand things through logical means, and compared to most people I know, I’m a dispassionate, life-long cynic, but one that’s 100% convinced that Obama’s charisma, progressive message, and rejection of old politics makes him the best candidate to bring the country together. Also, the only candidate who can bring a whole new generation of young people into a new politics where the public is not disenfranchised by petty bickering but keeps its eye on the ball.
For myself, the hate is gone from my heart. Together with many others, my belief is alive that our better days are ahead. Not only will we prevent finding ourselves again with this nationwide atmosphere of doom but we’ll finally come together to get things done. Like Obama says,”We are the ones we’ve been waiting for.” I owe him my vote.
Posted by: Jack | February 8, 2008, 10:45 am 10:45 am
At last, some proper commentary on what’s going on with Obama and the gulf between his rhetoric and any substantive policies.
I’m concerned that Obama is making promises that he can’t keep – he’s inspired a whole new generation of young voters by using the tactics of the rock star. But, they will become disillusioned very fast if he gets elected. He will face the stonewalling from vested interests, opposition and frustration, just the same as any other politician of either party and that means change can’t happen fast. The trouble is, all these new voters, caught up in the excitement and charismatic will feel bitter disappointment because they have been whipped up into a frenzy of expectation. Maybe they will become the next generation who switch off from the whole process.
I don’t like the growing arrogance of Obama, he is dismissive of Clinton in a manner that would not be tolerated if it were emanating from her campaign. His reluctance to debate with her makes me wonder if the claims that he is good with scripts, but short on policy detail are true. His claims that he can ‘change the world’ border on megalomania and that is scary.
I wish the media would start asking more of Obama, better now than post nomination when bad news could bury the Dems and give McCain a free ride. I incline to the view that the Republicans would find Obama an easy target – if the words quoted here from his book are true (I haven’t read them myself – yet), he will damn himself with his own words.
Posted by: Melly | February 8, 2008, 10:47 am 10:47 am
SIS O – Keep trying to pull the race card but the fact of the matter is your man pulled it years ago when he had the audacity to put pen to paper. As you reap so should you be willing to sow.
Posted by: Shane | February 8, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am
So a candidate reaches out to everybody and says “lets come together – we are one people; one country”. Every candidate should say this! He is essentially speaking from a place of love rather than fear. This is the basic principal of life, our families and our country. Stop the anger, hatred and divisiveness. Believe in some level of kindness instead. Government won’t accomplish anything without it.
Posted by: Olof | February 8, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am
1. Her family have already surfaced race . Many africa american are extremily disappointed with them. They are actually know organizing e-mails to vote agianst her in November.
Posted by: Tesfaw | Feb 8, 2008 8:43:09 AM
Tesfaw,
With all due respect, 98% of Blacks vote Dem. They are not going to vote GOP. Their only real option is to stay home in Nov. Women on the other hand have been splitting their vote, somthing like 55 Dem 45 GOP. There are a lot of women’s votes that can be pulled over, to the Dems, by Senator Clintion.
Posted by: Mike | February 8, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am
You know…this writer has a point. I also had a creepy feeling about Obama’s speeches. They seemed more evangelical in nature, as well as those who spoke for him. Yes, he is inspiring, but I need either backup information on what he has done in the past, or what specifically he plans to do in the future to accomplish all this rhetoric. Otherwise, the message is hollow.
Forest Whitaker came to train some of Obama’s followers for the Colorado caucus. I thought that was ironic, since Forest played Idi Amin, the cruel and punishing dictator of Uganda so well in the Last King of Scotland. I would recommend that people see this film, and learn what a cult of personality can accomplish in a lifetime. The people welcome the charming new leader with open arms and a new hope, only to see hopes dashed when Idi’s ego and narcissism ruins their society. Obama would never be that sort of dictator of course, but I wonder sometimes if people realize the difference between inspiration and prespiration in terms of accomplishing goals.
Posted by: CBinCO | February 8, 2008, 10:59 am 10:59 am
Perhaps you ought to reexamine the meaning of journalistist objectivity and itegrity, Jake. This story is well beneath an experienced reporter like you. In my opinion your observations in, “And Obama Wept” are reflections of your personal fears and concerns, not objective issues.
History confirms the elements of “justice” and “righteousness” are central to movements that gain popularity with the masses. Those elements are basic to religion, too. It is no wonder there are comparisons. But to portray this enthusiasm as blind or cult-like is quite irresponsible both of you and ABC News. It was foolish, shallow and bias.
Articles like this do nothing to earn or maintain the respect that ABC News has gained over the years of good, objective and SUBSTANTIVE reporting. News reporting agencies(and reporters)are gatekeepers of information, and set the tone.
I expect better of you and ABC News, Jake.
Posted by: Mary | February 8, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am
don’t take the bait Obama supporters. These are not clinton supporters running their mouth all day for days on end, on this site. This is a drudge linked site about obama. Where does clinton come into play?
It’s a trick. These are not clinton supporters. They are part of the fascist gop cult. Do not humor them. they have no candidate. Their fascist pig propogandist for profit, have lost all their power. All these cowards, scared of their own shadows, have left is lie spin and discredit. Their party platform is propoganda, terrorism and fascism. Do not buy into it.
These so called constant clinton supporter posts/attacks are from the gop. Don’t buy into it. Sad reeally. This is all these cowards are left with. Do not fear or attack them. Laugh at them. they have nothing. the gop is done. they are a joke. you look like clowns gop.
don’t fall for the trick obama supporters. Just call them out on their lies spin and discrediting. you do that they have nothing. They can’t touch us on the facts.
Posted by: rufus1133 | February 8, 2008, 11:07 am 11:07 am
School ‘em RUFUS, this is the last gasp of a 40 year run of followers that were led off the cliff and want us to join them. SEE YA…WOULD NOT WANT TO BE YA…Misery sure do love company folks…you buying their APPLE BUTTER??????
Posted by: daddyblue | February 8, 2008, 11:20 am 11:20 am
rufus1133, ????????
Can you be less cryptic and a bit more informative with some facts.
Posted by: Janet | February 8, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am
All Obama haters
Wasn’t Jimmy Carter somewhat of Jackleg preacher for he became President?
Obama is the one.
Posted by: Lookup | February 8, 2008, 11:27 am 11:27 am
Nice article, Jake. Glad to see someone actually question Obama’s campaign for a change. For all the Obama supporters who can’t handle this lone negative article, check out MSNBC’s site, you won’t find anything negative over there on Obama and all kinds of Hillary bashing going on. Go ahead, it will make you feel better.
Posted by: Julie | February 8, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am
boy after reading these posts it not to hard to see why we keep getting so many pathedic learders,especially after the last 8 years, anyone who on the democratic side of the isle says they will only support their canidate and not the other if nominated i’am sorry to say are idiots.just look across the isle, invision the appointments -the forign policy -the domistic policy, these guys praised bush at the debates, are still having a cult like love affair with ronald regan(who started (the trillion dollar decifits)get real i would vote for any of the democrats that were running, the quality level of the canidates on the democratic side pale over anthing the republican party offers, i say work for your canidate, if he or she looses join together with
the other and hope the republican party wallows in their own misery,it is so well deserved. we owe it to the children of this nation and of the world to make a statement that we will try and not leave a graveyard as an inhertance.
Posted by: palco1107 | February 8, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am
I think this is what politics should be like. Challenging people to get involved. No other candidate or president in the last 30-40 years has been nearly as effective as Obama in this.
I’ve got another culty slogan for you, “Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.” Sounds like Weimar Germany to me. Spin away….
I think Obama just pisses off old school politicians because he seems less susceptible to gifts from special interest groups and corp. By the way, I wonder what kind of favors are still owed out by the Clinton family to the financiers of that nice, new library. If I dropped a few million into that, I’d certainly be pulling for Hillary.
Posted by: Dusty | February 8, 2008, 11:54 am 11:54 am
I hear you palco1107. But what if you feel clinton is a republican? What then? Where has she been the last 10 years? Bush and his party has destroyed our country. I’ll give you that. But, to me anyway, if clinton wins the republican machine is running against itself. No opposition party. they burn both ends of the candle.
So if she wins what then? Republican vs republican. I stay home, personally. Clinton is the same as maccain. Either wins we are in the same place. Healthcare, that’s about it. There are more than one issue we are facing as a country. Heathcare is small beans. that is all clinton has. What else? Where was she when we needed her? Right behind bush.
I appreciate your statement palco1107, and most times i would I agree. But this is past vs future now. And clinon is gop, imo
Posted by: rufus1133 | February 8, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
The Obama campaign would not be an issue if it wasn’t for the people DONATIONS!! It’s plain and simple. Obama don’t have Mit or Hillary money. He’s a US citizen like you and me and YES WE CAN take our government back!! But American citizens in New York and New Jersey are full of lobbyist which can get more from the government that the people that actually pay their checks.
Posted by: Birmingham, AL | February 8, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
No, Obama has Chris Rock’s money.
Posted by: geevill | February 8, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
destroy your country for fun or profit, sugar. that’s your choice. It also used be called treason. Don’t hate on patriotic americans fighting for this country and it’s ideals. If you do that what does it make you?
Posted by: rufus1133 | February 8, 2008, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm
Once again the media is trying hard to brand a candidate. What we all have to realize is, members of the media are always influence by their own bias. Obama is not only a good communicator and orator, he also has substance and vision. His health care plan will actually help those who want to get health insurance, but not punish those who cannot afford.
The last time I checked he came out with a stimulus plan to help the middle class and the poor long before his opponents and the current administration did.
His intention to talk to our enemies would have helped us avoid the current debacle in Iraq. We would have known from Saddam that he’s just boasting to avoid being attacked by Iran.
Give the guy a break for having all the qualities of a leader.
Posted by: Pete | February 8, 2008, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm
haha. what a pile
Those who are commenting on Obama negatively are seeing what they want to see. as pundits they should be reading
and, it is apparent they haven’t read anything on obama’s website nor listened to the last debate where he tackled issues head on. they are just hilary lovers and, frankly, the atheist seems like a moron “I don’t like religion.. so I don’t like Obama because it sounds religious.” please! That seems sooooo uninformed on so many levels. while they might not like the devotion people give to Obama, it doesn’t mean he lacks ideas on issues.
i find it rather sick that people are so repulsed by someone generating positive reactions. Why? what does that say about our culture and who we are as americans. I am tired of the pissed of democrats… I want someone who is going to unite, lead, and talk rather than yell, divide and blow up people…. God forbid that happen….
Posted by: Formerroadie | February 8, 2008, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm
rufus1133
i agree she is alinged with the institutional status quo,but on forign policy i don’t see the pre-emptive approach, a possibility of more qualified diplomats ? mabe. i am prety sure about macains approach more of the regan doctrin mixed with bush and the crowd that brings.on domestic issues health is ok,children issues and education would be much better, i do have serious reservations about mrs clinton but if i am left with a choice of mrs clinton or mr macaine i wont think twice. i would prefer to vote for someone i like for once in my life but if i can’t, i will not hesitate and will vote for mrs clinton,but for now i will hope mr obama gets the nomination.
Posted by: palco1107 | February 8, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
I think Obama is getting all this money from Republicans who don’t want Hillary to be the candidate. Reporters should investigate what type of people and how much and why they are donating to Obama.
Posted by: John Smith | February 8, 2008, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
All I needed to know about Obama was that before he was even 45 years old he had found himself so interesting that he wrote two books in which the central character was…Barak Obama. What an ego!
Posted by: mgm | February 8, 2008, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm
I’m glad that someone finally has the guts to say what’s going on. Obama is a cult and it’s not because of a few off-base supporters. He planned it that way. Just take a look at his website – it looks more like a religious website than a political website. He has clearly studied the techniques of cult leadership and is systematically applying them to American politics. It will be truly scary if he manages to somehow become president.
For all you Obama supporters who are posting messages objecting to this article – well of course! People who are in cults rarely recognize it when they’re actually in them. That’s why cult leaders like David Koresh and Jim Jones were able to convince their followers to commit suicide. It’s only if you manage to make it out of the cult that you’ll see the error of your ways. For now your leader has a hold on you. If he told you to jump off a cliff for him, you would. All in the name of “change” – his magic word.
Posted by: Janet | February 8, 2008, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
The great Mahatma Gandhi said this:
“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win”
Now I am not in any wildest realm of possibility comparing Obama and Gandhi.
I have followed Obama and his campaign from day one. He has always underscored the fact that it is about the people of the United States and not him. “Ordinary people coming together to do extraordinary things” has been the central theme of his campaign. It is only due to this refreshing and inspiring message he delivers, that people come in thousands. The idea of the campaign is to unite democrats, independents and republicans to get things done in the country. If the author wishes to overlook or undermine this message and knit pick on some extreme case of exuberance it is not in good spirit.
Yes we can.
Obama 08!!
Posted by: Vijay | February 8, 2008, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
What a spectacle! The Obama disciples are so immersed in his indoctrination that anything critical about Obama has become blasphemy and heresy. They adore him, they worship him and they voted for him with their hearts rather than their minds. Just inspirational and enlightening does not solve the problems we are now facing. Just talking about unifying our country will not get you anywhere in the face of the entrenched and massive differences from racial tensions, special interests groups to partisan politics. Just arousing the fervor of young voters with lofty promises will eventually turn them off when he cannot deliver.
The outcome will be more racial tensions, more chaos and ecomomic mess when an untested, un-vetted, untried half-term senator takes the rein.
Any politician banking on messianic verses and followings are doomed to bring devastation and irreparable damage. Look at Germany after WWII. Look at China after the Cultural Revolution. Look at Cuba under Fidel Castro. Haven’t we learnt any lesson?
Posted by: lochukung | February 8, 2008, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm
Please note that the great Mahatma Gandhi was a leader but not a president or prime minister.
“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win”
Above statement is only good for any civil right movement.
Posted by: John | February 8, 2008, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm
“All I needed to know about Obama was that before he was even 45 years old he had found himself so interesting that he wrote two books in which the central character was…Barak Obama. What an ego!”
Dude you could’ve easily say, he’s smart and intelligent.
Try and be positive in life, alright.
Posted by: Pete | February 8, 2008, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm
Obama does not give speeches anymore. He sermonizes, whipping up a frenzy among his worshippers which is at times frightening. Only time will if they are worshipping a false God. Hillary would be pretty darn lucky if she survives this and emerges the candidate. Unlikely. Obama as president could be a double edged-sword. Things could be so different, and better, if he channelizes all this popularity into great achievements and lays the foundation for a very different and vibrant America. He might. On the other hand, he could easily fail to deliver anything of substance – remember, he has so far treated each stage of his political career as a spring board to the next higher level without actually delivering much – and that could be disastrous. The cynism his failure would cause among the youth would be deep and a generation of cynics will run America. That is a lurking danger. He needs to tone down the fervor and focus more on specifics. He has the audience that will listen.
Posted by: vvhome | February 8, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm
Great article and thank the good heavens above for getting reported. Let us pray the United States citizens have good enough sense to look at the reality not the idols. God bless America.
Posted by: callenfallen | February 8, 2008, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
Obama has no original ideas – he plagiarized his entire platform from Hillary. The guy is nothing more than an empty suit with great speech writers, including JFK’s former speech writer. It takes more than eloquent speeches to govern as the leader of the free world.
Posted by: abridge | February 8, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
“Take the teleprompter and make him answer some questions for once.”
Exactly. Why has there not been more reporting on the issue that Obama uses a teleprompter to give these “awe inspiring” speeches while, largely, all the other candidates do not use one. Good lord, even George W. Bush can give a decent speech with the help of a telepromter!
Posted by: Coloradogirl | February 8, 2008, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm
If this reaction was to a republican candidate would you still hold this opinion…..whatever your answer how will I proove know it’s true. I beleive Obama I don’t beleive in Obama like I do in THE CREATOR ……GOOOOO-BAMA
Posted by: danee003 | February 8, 2008, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm
Janet,
It’s not Obama’s ego that drove him to write 2 books. These 2 books are only oart of his political grand scheme that is getting where he is now. It’s a very carefully and meticulously planned pathway culminated through the last 20 years when he first entered into politics in Chicago. He chose Chicago and not any other major US cities because he knew Chicago was an incubator and staging point for African-American politicians. No doubt he is smart and intelligent. But most important of all, he is an ardent opportunist, grand schemer and manipulator. Afterall, as soon as he grabs the ultimate prize, his mask will come off and we will then realize belatedly what a fool he has made from all these cheering and chanting followers. amen.
Posted by: lochukung | February 8, 2008, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
I agree with the cult like following/speaches. Also One thing interesting that he says he doesnt have bundler lobbyists. Yet those 10, EX-Lobbyist(see Obama’s official site for when they last registered), seem to have joined his cult and can’t help but think that once they get him elected they will be registered once again.
Posted by: gail | February 8, 2008, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm
I am so sick of people trying to take the spotlight off of Barack. He is out shining all of the other canindates that is the reason for all of the negitivity. I think the real reason people are talking negative about him is because he is black! If he was white he’d be the “great white hope”. People can not handle a well educated black man. People have not been able to find any thing negative to write about him. The best they can do is talk about his inexperience. Who can ever say they walked into the White House with experience, but a president doing a second term. LEAVE HIM ALONE!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Shell | February 8, 2008, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
Obama is not God nor does his supporters worship him like one. Whats wrong with believing in your canidate?
He has not only inspired people to vote, but has also spoke about his policies on numerous occassions. A lot of people get emotional when he speaks because you can’t help but feel proud to be an American right now. A woman or an African American could be president. Either one would be in improvement. I just so happen to side with Obama,but I won’t call you crazy for siding with another canidate…. unless its a Republican :o) just kidding.
Posted by: Apryl | February 8, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm
It’s disrespectful for people to continue to weave in Gandhi with Sen. Obama. For the individal who quotes M. Gandhi — there is another quote as well: “An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.”
This candidate should heed those words and perhaps take a lesson in humility. Senator Obama’s actions are nothing but deplorable pertaining to his political opponents (both past and present) and downright misleading and self-serving. Uniter? It seems quite a few should research this particular candidate’s record (both on and off the campaign trail) as well as review the company his keeps. And, it may serve those well who blindly bash Senator Clinton to perhaps take the time and research her record as well as opposed to relying on second hand information or solely reviewing her tenure as First Lady or as Senator.
Prior to her marriage — she was involved in quite a bit which was geared toward steering the U.S. in a more positive direction (her work to impeach Pres. R.M. Nixon to name one).
Though Independent and part of the ‘youth of America’ (and also college educated nonwithstanding), never would I consider supporting an individual with such passive aggressive maneuvering as Senator Obama. It is truly disturbing to see such disrespect directed at not just a former First Lady but toward the mass at large. Change? Please refer to Shirley Chisholm. When running for President of the U.S. she stated sexism was more prevalent than racism. It still remains the case today in 2008.
Posted by: tjaderjazz | February 8, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
Shell,
Why should he be left alone? Nobody is left alone; not even Dennis Kucinich. I don’t think Obama wants to be left alone. And, it is incorrect to say that he is being targeted because he is African-American. He has followers – that seems a better word than supporters, and detractors, across the board.
Posted by: vvhome | February 8, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
What seems to be forgotten by many people…. is that democracy is about doing the will of the population…. and doing what is in the best interest of the country and it’s population. It’s a complicated thing, partly because different parts of the population perceive their best interest differently….. The mark of a true leader is to interpret those needs… to understand the many and sometimes complex contradictions and competition between those needs…. and then appeal out of all that, to the real deep and important common interests and principals. To do so takes great intelligence, wisdom and above all else… character.
People who say Obama doesn’t have policy haven’t read his website or his books… people who say he’s an empty suit, I suspect couldn’t begin to offer the same strenth that he does…. I for one am very optimistic about America’s future with an Obama presidency.
We are so used to mediocrity and self-serving and divisive actors… that some of us don’t seem prepared to recognize the genuine article… a person who is capable and visionary enough to do the job well, and willing to grapple with the realities and unpleasantness that comes with actually winning the right to so serve.
Posted by: jake | February 8, 2008, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
I love how Hillary likes to trump (similar to Obama) how she worked for the children’s defense fund right out of law school, rather than take a high paying lawyer job at a law firm. The problem is, however, unlike Obama, the reason she didn’t work for a law firm right then was because she couldn’t!–They wouldn’t have hired her! She failed the BAR exam! Not only once, but twice! Tellingly, after her third attempt and finally passing, she booked out of there and went to start her infamous work at the Arkansas law firm! Isn’t it telling?!
Posted by: Dennis | February 8, 2008, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm
Now this is definitely a way to disenfranchise voters. People get enthusiastic about their candidate and ‘observers’ say “Wait a minute, hold on.. This enthusiasm means it’s a cult, none of Obama’s supporters have a logical reason for the fervor.” These articles that have been popping up recently are quite patronizing to younger voters; pretty much saying they are merely getting swept away by charming speeches. People are much more clever than that. This really represents age discrimination, implying “You don’t know what you’re talking about and we’re worried. Stop getting involved, we’ll take it from here because we have rational minds.” Ludicrous.
Posted by: conrad | February 8, 2008, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm
He has charisma, as did Jesus.
Clinton and McC have fatter resumes, but don’t discount star power.
Posted by: Norm | February 8, 2008, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm
Obama is a cult. Just make a comment on the cult leader Obama. And his followers will launch attacks on your personality.
Posted by: dirty harry | February 8, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
I would have to agree that this is cult-like. I said this a few days ago reading blogs online and now I am happy somebody else noticed it too. These people are crying online (at least they say they are) calling him the next Jesus Christ. Obama is a politician NOT God!
Posted by: David | February 8, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
Obama is a cult. I called it from day one a few months ago on here. Glad the media is finally having some balls.
Posted by: okdokethen | February 8, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
It is freakin crazzy. ANd to think this guy might be the nominee or president. It’s like they want to brainwash people logging onto the sites into believing everybody loved Obama. Man, this is the kind of stuff that scares me. I mean this guy could be president.
Posted by: Chris K. | February 8, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
It is freakin crazzy. ANd to think this guy might be the nominee or president.
Posted by: Chris K. | February 8, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
what’s even more scary, is in a cult situation like this that is so widespread with the hatred and self-servingness, what happens if their candidate doesn’t get elected? How will they take out their hatred and frustration then?
Posted by: okdokethen | February 8, 2008, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
To all those people who complain that those of us who support Obama are “treating him like a god” – I guess Bill Clinton is god enough for you. Now there’s a little clay idol who can do no wrong.
Posted by: Commonsense | February 8, 2008, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
Obama supporters are filled with hate toward anyone who is not part of their cult. Talk about hypocrisy. Unifying the country? No way. That is one of the big time reasons Obama will lose, and maybe drag the party down come November.
Posted by: okdokethen | February 8, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
Other cult-like figures: Gandhi, Queen Elizabeth II, Madonna, Oprah, Martin Luther King, John F. Kennedy, FDR and Eleanor Roosevelt, Ronald Reagan, Fiorello LaGuardia, George Clooney, Mother Teresa, Princess Diana – the list is long. Whatsamatta? Hillary have popularity envy? Or is it like Rufus tells it – just the right wing out on a tear, spitting on anything wholesome or decent?
Posted by: commonsense | February 8, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm
Other cult-like figures: Gandhi, Queen Elizabeth II, Madonna, Oprah, Martin Luther King, John F. Kennedy, FDR and Eleanor Roosevelt, Ronald Reagan, Fiorello LaGuardia, George Clooney, Mother Teresa, Princess Diana – the list is long. Whatsamatta? Hillary have popularity envy? Or is it like Rufus tells it – just the right wing out on a tear, spitting on anything wholesome or decent?
Posted by: commonsense | February 8, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm
Good to see that this blog is still up and dividing the democratic party over nothing of substance. Call us a cult all you want, because we dont want hillary we must be INSANE!!! eeeeek! Yowza praise be obama!!! Are you guys serious? I was an edwards supporter before Obama so what does that make me? A sexist cult follower… please. We are ALL democrats people, some of us would rather have a well spoken leader who speaks to their generation though. We are not baby boomers we are their children (not all of us mind you). We saw their folly when we came of age and now its the time to pass the torch to a new generation. This isnt about a feminist movement this is about who has the best chance at getting elected and being able to put progressive legislation through congress. But keep calling us cultists because thats definately gonna help the democratic party (sarcasm). Turn a positive into a negative just like karl rove would have wanted… a base full of people excited about their candidate=a cult. I have said it once and Ill say it again.. I will vote for hillary if she wins the nomination, but I hope she doesnt. Now please stop this feud its just pathetic.
Posted by: LA-Obama | February 8, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm
Please people. Yes, some get out of hand, just like some of Hillary’s supporters use every opportunity to attack opponents (I won’t start with some of the GOP crazies!). Indeed, after decades of one depressing slate after another, a candidate is really capturing the imagination of a portion of the electorate. But a cult? Every Obama supporter I’ve seen – and I had the opportunity to check out Tuesday’s pub-rally in NYC – are young, intelligent and profession who are more than able to objectively discuss their candidate. Just because a few nuts have a little excessive exuberance, doesn’t make the whole thing a “cult”.
Posted by: B in NYC | February 8, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
Please people. Yes, some get out of hand, just like some of Hillary’s supporters use every opportunity to attack opponents (I won’t start with some of the GOP crazies!). Indeed, after decades of one depressing slate after another, a candidate is really capturing the imagination of a portion of the electorate. But a cult? Every Obama supporter I’ve seen – and I had the opportunity to check out Tuesday’s pub-rally in NYC – are young, intelligent and profession who are more than able to objectively discuss their candidate. Just because a few nuts have a little excessive exuberance, doesn’t make the whole thing a “cult”.
Posted by: B in NYC | February 8, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
Dear ABC, you can continue to remove this post all you like, perhaps you should also remove rufus1133′s hatefull post.
don’t take the bait Obama supporters. These are not clinton supporters running their mouth all day for days on end, on this site. This is a drudge linked site about obama.
These so called constant clinton supporter posts/attacks are from the gop. Don’t buy into it.
Posted by: rufus1133 | Feb 8, 2008 11:07:23 AM
Hi rufus,
Glad to see you are back, I thought perhaps the men in the white coats had taken you away. rufus, this is an ABC blog site.. I don’t believe the GOP are big fans of ABC, but anyway I love the fact that anyone who is not with you are now the GOP fascists. Is this the kind of paranoia we can expect from ALL Obama cult supporters? I had not made up my mind, but Senator Clinton looks better everytime you post a comment.
Posted by: Mike | February 8, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
thank you for this article. i too have seen amongst Obama’s followers the blatant disregard for the man’s record and his ACTUAL position on the issues.
“change” has become a vague and undefined mantra that sucks people in and gets them excited, without really knowing what they are excited about.
instead of a clear plan for “change” it is left vague, for the Obamatons to project whatever definition of “change” they see sit. he is a projector screen, upon which millions of Americans project their ideal image of a politician, of America, and of “change” and “hope.”
in reality, there is no “change” coming from Senator Obama. one only need take a look at his record, his rhetoric, and his platform.
Senator Obama voted to renew the Patriot Act… what “CHANGE” ?
Senator Obama has voted to fund the war 4 times since joining the Senate… what “CHANGE” ?
Senator Obama has sponsored bellicose Senate bills (s.970) that have declared the Iranian Revolutionary Guard a “terrorist” organization… what “CHANGE” ?
Senator Obama has threatened pre-emptive missile strikes on Iran if they seek nuclear weapons, and on Pakistan if the country is destabilized… what “CHANGE” ?
Senator Obama worked on behalf of the insurance industry and took money from insurance lobby PACs in Illinois… what “CHANGE” ?
Senator Obama has worked with the Hamilton Project, a thinktank of Wall Street Democrats that promote corporate American interests within the Democratic party… what “CHANGE” ?
Senator Obama has taken massive contributions from corporate America– JP Morgan, Citigroup, Goldman Sachs… what “CHANGE” ?
Senator Obama has preached the rhetoric of reconciliation, and improving upon the often vitriolic discourse of Washington politics, but takes cheap jabs at Hillary every time he opens his mouth… what “CHANGE” ?
take a long, hard look at Senator Obama.
soaring oration and vague rhetoric does not get the job done.
repeating “i was against the war from the start” because he gave an irrelevent, obscure speech from the confines of Democratic Chicago is NOT a substitute for a real, detailed plan to GET OUT of Iraq— SPEECHES DON’T END WARS.
there is nothing wrong with enthusiasm.
there is nothing wrong with energetic support for a candidate.
there is nothing wrong with emotion and good speeches.
but they MUST be supported by facts, they MUST be supported by clear and specific policies, and they MUST not fool us into thinking a candidate can do no wrong.
take another look. we are voting for president, not for Messiah.
Posted by: Garcia Vega | February 8, 2008, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm
As a foreigner one can only wish you well that you should get it right, for when you do the world also benefits immensely. As God fearing citizens pray that honesty will guide your votes, not race, gender, dirty tricks, or lopsided media criticisms that could be externally influenced. These campaigns have somehow shown a beautiful side of Americans that seemed to have laid dormant for a long time and you know what it is. Hold on to it with all zeal and honesty and the world will respect you for the result it brings.
Posted by: Word o' Peace | February 8, 2008, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm
I think that people in the US are uncomfortable with enthusiasm for politics in general, regardless of the candidate or party for which it is directed. We’ve been taught that you shouldn’t talk about politics at the dinner table, at the work place, or with strangers. What we don’t realize is that this approach to something so key to our livelihood is rather rare. In every democratic country I’ve visited people are openly engaged in political discourse. And everyone I’ve met is passionate regarding politics, because it is really important to their livelihood. It’s about time that US citizens get engaged, excited and passionate. Our vote impacts the entire world, we should be enthusiastic.
Posted by: lu | February 8, 2008, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm
Here is the Change Obama is Talking About……
Obama To Maine – ‘Drop Dead’
Blocked Emergency LIHEAP Money For Maine This Winter
2-8-8
AUGUSTA — Barack Obama’s chief economics adviser Austan Goolsbee today boasted that the Obama campaign had helped to prevent emergency heating assistance for low-income families from being included in the just-approved economic stimulus package which is now on its way to President Bush’s desk for signature. An increase in federal low-income heating assistance (known as LIHEAP), Goolsbee pointed out, had been championed by Obama’s opponent, New York Democratic Senator Hillary Clinton. Goolsbee’s remarks came in an interview this morning with Carl Quintanilla of CNBC business news television.
Goolsbee stressed that the main difference between Obama and Clinton was that Obama was “more respectful of market forces.” Goolsbee was adamant that Obama was opposed to expanding the stimulus package to include “money for low-income heating assistance through a bureaucratic program.”
Posted by: Colonel Ray | February 8, 2008, 8:22 pm 8:22 pm
So much for my She for President mantra…
I can’t imagine why all the negativity… There’s great expectation for our future, if we are excited about someone who can represent us as our President, why the label??
Yes, I know you’re referring to the Barrack enthusiasts…. But when you make such accusations, you also include anyone who’s show of enthusiasm makes you uncomfortable, and then you bestow on such energy a “label”, just to ease your discomfort.
I stay away from all the negative stuff that goes on between candidates and some of their supporters, I focus on the issues and whom I think will represent me best.
As you can see, I don’t put myself in the mud, but to know that YOU label enthusiasts as a cultist people, even I find that disappointing…
We’re only 200 plus years old as a nation, shouldn’t we be above and beyond this type of negative characterization? Or did some of you forget that our founding fathers’ “show” of enthusiasm brought about the Freedoms we so cherish and apparently abuse??
Let the people show they’re excitement as they wish, I don’t step on your “show”. If all you do is stand there with a smile and clap politely for your candidate, should I berate you? Some would say that that type of “show” lacks energy and faith in your chosen candidate. But if thats your way, so be it.
You’re imposing your discomfort on any of us, and because of that, you throw a label to justify it. And then to top it off, supporters of other candidates now get accused of causing the Barack bashing. STOP!!!
You cannot kill the spirit of the people who choose to show support for their candidate be it man or woman. I support my candidate with heart, soul, money, and phenomenal enthusiasm.
“We the people….” must let the people be.
Divided we fall….
Posted by: kcaid | February 8, 2008, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm
Yes, I am a New Yorker
kcaid
Posted by: NYer | February 8, 2008, 8:52 pm 8:52 pm
Obama the Joel Osteen of politics!!!! He makes you feel good and the message is easy to follow. But somewhere is his translation it’s not about the Gospel but about the show. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid.
Posted by: Katie | February 8, 2008, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm
I keep waiting for the Obama doll to come out. I’m ready to wait in line for three days just to have the opportunity to buy one.
Posted by: Peter | February 8, 2008, 9:32 pm 9:32 pm
Barack supporters are fervent for an empty promise of “change.”
He voted “present” on 100 hot button issues. “Present” on gun control and abortion issues. Who is this guy?
I know exactly where Hillary stands on every important issue and that’s why I’m voting for her.
Posted by: John | February 8, 2008, 9:50 pm 9:50 pm
okay, my third time trying to get a post here – is abc afraid my words might be too inspiring? might find some converts to the cult?
I am a 49 year old white female from New York. While I am college educated (masters in public policy), unlike what I read in one op-ed today, I am not the of the ‘latte’ crowd (actually don’t drink coffee at all!). I started a business three years ago and not only am struggling financially while I work to pursue my own American dream, but am without healthcare and have been for several years now. I am a single mom, and have been since the birth of my daughter 20 yrs ago.
I am not looking for Barack to solve my personal problems for me (I guess, I would have to say, with the exception of having healthcare available) but I am looking for him to change the nature of politics, to change our standing in the world, to end this horrible war (which I also opposed since day 1) and to see to the welfare of the poor, the veterans, the seniors, to improve our schools and education system (my parents were both teachers and raised their family that way – my sister is a teacher in a dual income household that doesn’t understand why they still rely on credit cards), to address global warming (which it seems our current president is the last person on earth to recognize as real) and to keep on inspiring not only the youth of this nation but all of us to be part of a new proud America, where justice prevails and torture is not allowed, where civil liberties are not trampled upon, where our ideals are not just that, ideals, but the platform on which intervention and assistance is provided here at home and all around the globe.
And, I just have to add, in response to being called part of a cult more than once in the last couple days, yes, I do have Obama fever, and the only cure is to have Obama in the white house. After spending days in the Obama blogs, watching his speeches, watching polls, reading everything available to me on the campaign, I can understand the fervor that the cynics are referring to – it is contagious! So I tried to take an objective look at that fervor. The best I can explain it is that when you find a leader that you feel you can trust and believe in, when that trust means you believe he will do what he says he is going to do, when what that leader is saying he will do represents all that has ever been good about America, how can you help but not be truly and fervently excited. How can you not believe that electing this man truly will enable us to change not only America, but the world. But it is no cult – a cult requires blind obedience, but we do have a good dose of faith. Faith in Barack Obama who, in turn, inspires us to have faith in ourselves, faith in our founding principles and faith in the American Dream. Who would not want to follow that path?! And to that, I say, amen and pass the koolaid!
YES WE CAN!!!
Posted by: MRA | February 8, 2008, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm
Do the Obama supporters know that he said he “pushed wrong buttons” on several votes while he was at Illinois Senate? This is true, although the media did not want to talk about it too much. Does any intelligent person believe his explaination? This guy is a liar, and this WILL come out during the general election. How could HE unite the country? Wake up!!! He is just preaching things you like to hear in order to get himself elected!
Posted by: JJ | February 8, 2008, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm
Jake,
Is this what ABC news considers as journalism? I could care less about Obama but this is simply poor journalism. Are you guys seeking some of the National Enquirer’s market share?
Posted by: Nevaquit | February 8, 2008, 10:59 pm 10:59 pm
Apparently they can’t come up with any legitimate reasons to oppose Senator Obama so they resort to ad hominem attacks.
Since when is enthusiasm a bad thing? The last time I checked it wasn’t.
And lastly, according to Senator Clinton she can reached across party lines to work in a bi-partisan fashion to get her MANDATED “universal” healthcare plan passed. I say NO she can’t. This would have required her to do so in 93/94 when she tried it the first time. Who can HONESTLY say that she will be successful this time, especially since it is the same plan? By the way, since when is FAILURE considered “good” experience?
Posted by: San Diego Dave | February 9, 2008, 12:26 am 12:26 am
This is the most ridiculous argument against Obama I’ve heard yet. I am a 27 year old grad student and I assure you that the majority of Obama supporters I know are intelligent, well-educated, critical-thinking people of all ages. My father is a 60 year old with a Ph. D. and supports Obama as fervently as I do. I support Obama because, in addition to getting it right on the issues, he has proven his ability to work in a bi-partisan manner to get things done. Also, having a grandmother in Kenya and having spent time in Indonesia as child, he has much more of a global perspective, rather than the “us vs. them” mentality of our current government. He also has good judgement, a quality that can’t be learned. He got it right on the most important issue of our time: the war in Iraq. Barack Obama is brilliant, he was the first black editor of the Harvard Law Review. But instead of taking a job with a corporation and making millions of dollars a year the way Hillary Clinton did, he chose to take a low paying job as a Community Organizer. He is a quality person who is the best equipped person to run our country. That is why I support him, not because I have been brainwashed into some kind of cult mentality. I think this one was taken straight out of the Clinton play book!
If you don’t know that Obama has the most detailed plan out of any candidate running for what he will do when he gets into office, you haven’t done your homework!
Posted by: Karen | February 9, 2008, 12:44 am 12:44 am
Ph.d. =”piling (it) higher & deeper.”
Posted by: Todd | February 9, 2008, 1:43 am 1:43 am
So this is to be the anti-Obama narrative? His supporters are “out of hand”? Possessing “Helter-Skelter cult-ish qualities”? Oh, really? And just who have they MURDERED?
What a depressing piece of absolute crap commentary you have foisted upon us here. And your weaselly “Update” attempting to equate your swill with Obama’s own self-deprecating humor just deepens my disgust.
Posted by: JL | February 9, 2008, 2:09 am 2:09 am
Here’s a scenario: John McCain chooses Condi Rice to be his vice president.
Discuss.
Posted by: ruby | February 9, 2008, 2:18 am 2:18 am
I believe it’s a very legitimate reason to criticise Obama. The Obama supporters I have met know zero about his history or policies. He’s a ‘messiah’ or the second coming of JFK. What a load of rubbish. I want a president that is well-informed and can get the job done.
Posted by: Kane | February 9, 2008, 4:26 am 4:26 am
It is weird — i’m totally turned off starting in Iowa, when he started trying to sound like Martin Luther King. Politics is just not an appropriate arena for that stuff, and no, there’s no way he can beat McCain in November. He’s going to get dukakised (as in michael dukakis, 1988) by republicans because he is so insubstantial.
Posted by: weve | February 9, 2008, 4:34 am 4:34 am
Thank you so much for writing this article because I have been thinking this for a while.
His whole campaign is based around his ability to give a good speech. I want plans and details, but he’s incredibly vague.
This is why Hillary has always been my candidate.
Posted by: Tim | February 9, 2008, 4:37 am 4:37 am
I sorry that you are that much of a cynic. The point behind hope and change is that to enact change you must have some hope and hope is sacrifce and hard work and believing in what can happen and trying your hardest to get there. I am a active Obama supporter and I have never once heard him or anyone eals talk about him as a new savior. Look up his speech in Seatle on Feb 8 he addresses this in it.
Posted by: Dominic | February 9, 2008, 5:38 am 5:38 am
This has brought back old memories..I lost my best friend to Jim Jones words..I kept trying to convince her that there was something too unbelievable about his words and promises..She kept telling me that he promised her hope and change..She said he was inspiring, that she trusted him..She lashed out at me, saying hateful things to me..She finally convinced me to leave her alone, so I did, and now she is gone..Jim Jones had many people fooled..Did you all know that he won the Glade Martin Luther King, Jr. Humanitarian award??? In attendance was Gov. Jerry Brown and members of Carters Transition Team,,NAACP Pres Joe Hall praised Jim Jones..Does this sound familiar to you?? Search it in yahoo, Jim Jones and The Peoples Temple and see for yourself..Reliving this realy hurts..
Posted by: shirley | February 9, 2008, 9:42 am 9:42 am
THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! Thanks for recognizing this fake spiritual bull crap that Obama has used in his campaign. We have seperation of Church and State for a reason. We as Americans can believe as we want and I believe that Senator Obama is a false prophet of some sorts. We are in great need of a President that will lead us. Not one that will let celebrities, who have very little time for political research, suggest and endorse someone who really has no clue of what he’s getting into. These followers of Obama are indeed Cult Like! We are Americans, we do not do what is popular because someone tells us to! We our own decisions based on facts becuase we were given that right and priveledge. I would also like to add that yes I am of the Christian faith, and my vote goes to Hillary because she can lead and bring a change, but Obama is full of empty promises, and I’m wondering if the change he wants to bring as President, are the changes that our country needs. Think about it! What is he gonna change????? More importantly HOW????? WE NEED A LEADER! NOT A SAVIOR BECAUSE AS FOR AS IM CONCERNED…. I KNOW WHO THAT IS! AND HE’S NOT A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE!
Posted by: Melody | February 9, 2008, 9:48 am 9:48 am
(“When Morgan Freeman comes over to greet Obama, the senator begins bowing down both hands in worship. ‘This guy was president before I was,’ says Obama, referring to Freeman’s turn in Deep Impact and, clearly, getting a little ahead of his own bio. Next, a nod to Bruce Almighty: ‘This guy was God before I was.’”)
Jake, Is Obama saying he IS God? Why isn’t the media picking up on these statements? The voting public needs to know Obama is making these comments.
Posted by: Sue | February 9, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am
Obama needs to inspire to win a national campaign. If he talks about the issues in a dry calculated way (ala Gore and Kerry) he could never garner the support and sustained excitement needed. This is a political move. This does not necessarily mean he is unfamiliar with the issues, he is. Unlike Hillary, he cannot afford to be a policy wonk (she has name recognition, and thus is not terribly hurt by being stiff and calculating; although she has improved). Moreover, every candidate who tries to win a national election must appeal to a large group, and therefore must have a general message!! This is not particular to Obama. The fact that some folks get out of hand and become crazed supporters is no indicator that the movement is not genuine or substantive. After all, we can all think of examples of crazy followers of a moderate and good movement who are not reflective of its core values. If you are interested about where Obama stands on an issue, find out! Then, agree or disagree with him. But please stop this nonsense. What is wrong with inspiring a whole generation of public servants? What is wrong with energizing a bunch of complacent Americans about the good this nation could do?
This is a country of largely private citizens, once there is a little public-spiritedness everyone freaks out. Do you really think this spirit will endure months after Obama is in office?? Of course not. I suppose there is a large group of Americans who prefer that spiritedness be relegated to private life. Ala Bush telling Americans to go to the mall after 9/11.
Posted by: ThinkingARV1 | February 9, 2008, 11:58 am 11:58 am
Having a high-rhetoric is obviously a political calculation. He wants to win, and winning would be a far cry if he tried to take up a specific policy. His general message is appealing, and has worked at getting the base (and others) energized.
now to change…
Creating substantial change in an American political system that was designed to be frustrating is nearly impossible. Did JFK create substantial change? No. Obama would symbolically usher in substantial change (at home and abroad), and he knows it. He might also get a bit done since he doesn’t have Hillary’s baggage. He will also be a darned good President since he is both politically and otherwise intelligent. He has proved his political intelligence. He wasn’t only educated in a good school like our current president Bush (Yale; he had a C average remember), but he also did well (Columbia, Harvard Law School). He was also a financial writer for a time, and was the first President of Harvard Law Review.
Now on to the conspiracy folks. According to you Obama seems to have fooled a lot of his followers. Let’s see…
he has fooled many academics and scholars, he has fooled seasoned politicians, he has fooled the educated democrats who voted overwhelmingly for him over Hillary.
he has only not fooled the sophisticated bloggers on the net.
hmmm
Posted by: really | February 9, 2008, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm
I have just finished reading almost every single comment here. As a lifelong Democrat, I have decided to vote for Senator Clinton. To this effect, I wear a campaign button that I purchased at the Dulles airport. Well, I cannot tell you how many nasty comment I have received from Obama supporters because of this. Not a willingness to engage in a discussion of the candidates’ platforms, advantages, disadvantages, etc., but just all-out abuse!
I am willing to listen to both sides, but I, too, notice that Obama supporters have a VERY difficult time articulating his plans, policies, Congressional and Senatorial records, or even what is meant by “Hope” and “Change”, along with his ideas and plans for both.
Indeed, I watched Larry King last night who interviewed three entertainers: John Legend, America Ferrara and some rapper whose name I never heard before. Watch it, if you can. The only Hillary supporter among the three, America, was the only one of the three who was able to express, in an intelligent manner, what her candidate represents. Larry King tried to deflect her from responsing to that question about why Hillary would be best, after the two Obama supporters fumbled and stuttered and could provide no coherent responses, but America prevailed and gave one of the most intelligent and well thought through replies than I’ve heard from any young person supporting Obama.
So where is the intellect in the Obama supporters?
Posted by: Barbara Ann | February 9, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
The intellect in the Obama supporters is where the intellect is with any group of supporters, the few. The larger the group, the fewer will seem to have intellect. Who gets most energized in an idealistic posture? The young. What group of people have the most time to campaign? The young. It is no surprise people have bumped into uninformed Obama supporters. Does this necessarily mean Obama has no substance? Of course not. Some Clinton supporters make it seems as if Obama and his policy advisor’s would be at a lost for words when asked about policy. Or maybe they think his policy people would reply to every question saying “hope” or “change” with zombie eyes. What nonsense. If you want intellect and substance about Obama ‘s positions, you have to do the same thing you would have to do when seeking substance in any topic, seek it out.
Posted by: really | February 9, 2008, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm
The quality that I find most important to me is not is not intellect and details of policies. No one can deny that Obama is extremely intelligent, if not more than Hillary. Both have put out enough of those policy issues, enough to put anyone to sleep. What matters most to Americans like me is not race, female or male, and age. It is all about character and integrity. And Hillary gets zero in it. Clintons are corrupt, she is one of the most corrupt politicians who will say anything and do anything just to get elected. She does not care for America, she cares only for herself. That is why millions of Americans are moving away from her. To All Clinton supporters: GO TELL HILLARY TO RELEASE HER TAX RECORDS. What is she hiding, AS USUAL?
Posted by: Cortez | February 9, 2008, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm
Agree with you Cortez. Most of the Hillary supporters are uneducated. The intelligent ones are in fact a big chunk of Obama base, because he and his campaign shows more intelligence than the dumb, traditional Clinton supporters. Just read all the exit polls so far for these candidates, and whatever mentioned above is true. So dont bring this argument of intellect in Obama campaign. Hillary’s campaign is full of morons fumbling throughout the campaign with Hillary as a leader who misses out in character and integrity. Sorry Clintonites, first ask Hillary to release her Tax returns. Then independents like me will think favorably about your candidate.
Posted by: Mandy | February 9, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm
I was a supporter of Edwards. I had no leanings toward either Obama or Clinton so after Edwards stepped down, I started reading (including Obama’s books), the candidates websites, blogs, etc. As an academic and businessperson, what I’ve read about and heard from Obama and his supporters frighten me. Referring to himself as God. His speeches are cultist and religious in tone. He has flipped flopped on a number of issues. When I asked questions of his supporters they either could not provide specific programs, answer my questions, or they got personal and made nasty comments about me! Obama writes in his book that he found solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against his mother’s race. This is also his race. For a group that states they support unity, Obama and his followers are too defensive and divisive. If he is the Democratic candidate, I’m crossing party lines. We’ve had eight years of lunacy in this country from the radical right and don’t need it from the radical left.
Posted by: Gene | February 9, 2008, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
THANK YOU for stating the truth about his increasingly bizarre campaign. Time after time, Sen. Hope and Change preaches the word of Obama. He is the minister and the savior all rolled into one convenient package. Anyone that desperate in their own life that they are misinterpreting a clever politician nd a well-run campaign for the savior of the world is more than just a little scary.
To All Those Uncommitted Voters:
Choose your president for what he or she has actually accomplushed in their lives…not just their pretty words and flowery promises.
Resist the kool-aid and vote for the most capable and qualified person in this race: Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: Patty | February 9, 2008, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
I am a woman and I tried my best to convince myself to vote for Hillary. I could not. Reason is, for all the talk of Clinton supporters and her campaign, can anyone tell me what is her one single achievement in her cooked up 35 years of experience? Zero. How I or anyone can vote for her? I think most of her followers are plain old cult followers of Clinton name, emotional and grown up but kids in their core thinking and attitude. Hillary, you are losing people for so many reasons. You have no right to be crowned as inevitable anymore.
Posted by: Lisa | February 9, 2008, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm
I am tired of reading post after post that because I have “three Ph.D.s, two J.Ds and four college degrees” and I am an “intelligent, smart guy/gal” I “do not follow my emotions blindly, but rather support Obama with all my brain and guts. ” GIVE ME A BREAK!!!! Do you consider yourselves immune from falling prey of a charismatic campaign and the empowerment that it makes you feel? If you are clever, be suspicious and wary when everybody around you seems to jump on the same boat and repeating the same things over and over. Moreover, the more time you spend into “Obamaism,” the more you listen only to those who agree with you, or watch the overwhelmingly pro-Obama media without the caution and healthy dosage of cynicism you should use when approaching any politician’s platform.
This will backfire, folks. In the end, many of those who are not ‘college educated, wealthy, and successful otherwise’ will prove you wrong, because they will not buy into Obama’s empty rhetoric. They deal with real life problems day after day. They might not vote for Clinton (that’s up to her and her campaign) but they could rather stay home, watching TV, and saying to themselves “what a bunch of lunatics.”
Posted by: P. | February 9, 2008, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm
For an educated, and plausible, explanation why those with cash and education voted for Obama, read David Brooks Op-Ed piece in the NY Times “Questions for retail.” Now, before you get your feathers ruffled, remember, Brooks is a conservative moderate.
Posted by: really | February 9, 2008, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm
I read David Brooks’ op-ed piece. It is very interesting. However, what is most disturbing to me are the Obama supporters who brag that Obama is a uniter but then they divide people along every line imaginable; now it’s education. Just because one has a PhD does not mean they have practical experience or common sense. It does not mean that someone spending most of their life in academic life can make better choices. That attitude is called elitists and is insulting. I teach at a well-respected and well-known university and can tell you that many of the academics and students have a difficult time with daily life off campus. They live sheltered lives and are easily influenced by words. People who have to toil daily to meet their family needs know what is best for this country; not people living in ivory towers.
Posted by: Interesting | February 9, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm
Thankfully Obama is not an academic. I agree; academics, intellectuals, scholars, and philosophers were not made for public life. Elitism, by the way, stings because we are egalitarians. I happen to think some folks are brighter than others; not everyone is equally capable to do everything. Mr. Karl Rove, for example, is not academically bright, but is nothing short of brilliant at practical things. Mr. Obama is intelligent enough (he is no scholar) and knowledgeable enough about political things to have gotten this far.
Posted by: really | February 9, 2008, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
Actually, Obama stated he was an academic and former constitutional law professor (although it appears he was at most, an adjunct professor).
Obama did not get this far on his own; as with all opportunist, he has had help. In time, we will find out most of the players.
Posted by: Interesting | February 9, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
Fair enough. It is also fair to say that he was not primarily an academic. That is, his focus was not geared towards academic things. In that case, one can say, at best, that he has dabbled in the life of an academic.
As for your latter poin, I agree. I would never claim that Obama got as far as he did alone. No one could run as strong a campaign as Obama has without some help. Perhaps Obama’s run would have required more help than usual…
Posted by: really | February 9, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm
To Lisa (and all the others who ask what has Hilary done aside from being President Clinton’s wife):
Uh… she fought for funds for sick first responders to 9/11 in NY?
Uh… As First Lady, in the early 90′s she presented a plan for health care in the U. S. (Yes, it would have raised taxes: So our taxes got raised for a war that is unjustified – Don’t get me started on that!)
Any of that count?
And just what has Obama done for us?
Posted by: Joe | February 9, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
Let us not forget our history. One of the most influential speakers of the 20th century, a man who could mobilize and convince people of his charm and rhetoric, was none other than Adolf Hitler, and we all know what followed suit after his regime took over. And in my opinion that is what I see happening to America today, a man who is talking about a “change”, a change that I not been able to locate, isn’t any different from any other candidate, he is a political elitist. His “change” is going to take the American economy out of the world economy, which will allow for a stronger and longer recession (also known as a depression); in example: an increase from 15% to 28% on capital gains tax and dividend tax rates, would increase taxes on off-shore businesses, eliminate tax breaks for oil and gas companies, and his redistribution of wealth sounds almost Marxist. What a GREAT change……
Posted by: Anonymous | February 9, 2008, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm
Since 1980 Americans have had a choice to elect a Bush or Clinton to the White House (George Bush #1 was running as vice pres to Regan in 1980). Raise your hand if you’re tired of the Bush/Clinton dynasty!
Posted by: dynasty | February 9, 2008, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm
My ex-husband said something very profound that everyone should ponder before they write another word –
BY DEFINITION: 1/2 OF THE PEOPLE IN THE US HAVE BELOW AVERAGE INTELLIGENCE
Which half do you want to be seen as?
Posted by: Taffy | February 9, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
Let’s Get Real: Obama Is Hard On the Eyes
I don’t get these women who claim to be having orgasms by fantasizing about Obama. I think they’re just trying to prove how liberal they are.
I mean, come on! Have you taken a good look at B.O.? The guy’s got purple lips! That skinny frame, that big mole on his nose and those purple lips – blaaaahhhhh!!!!
Posted by: tome | February 9, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
GEORGE BUSH IN 08!!!!
Obama is all smoke and mirrors.
Hillary is…well, Hillary
Elect a democrat and see how much better off this country 4 years from now. It will be worse. Mark my words.
Democrats = Socialist Nazi
C’mon back for another term George! The country needs you!
Posted by: john | February 9, 2008, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm
I just want to say that I like Obama and what about the religious conservatives that follow the republicans? They sure can be weird and obsessive too about their “religion” so let’s cut everyone a break and respect other peoples beliefs and the right to vote for the candidate they want.
Posted by: faye | February 9, 2008, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm
Bravo! This is brilliant stuff! Now, for a reality check: Whose fooling who? I remember the same enthusiasm for Ronald Reagan. I remember the almost fanatical rantings of many Democrats in support of former President Bill Clinton during the Monica Lewinsky scandal. Also, I remember that despite the many obvious lies of the most famous “uniter”, George W. Bush, many Republicans still voted for him a second time. There was little talk of cultism then. So I wonder who is really writing and posting these comments. The article and many of these comments are propoganda at is best folks. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me thrice, I deserve the label of fool.
Posted by: Not Fooled by Propaganda | February 10, 2008, 7:38 am 7:38 am
I think Obama’s supporters are really the less-educated ones, or at least the less able to think critically. No offense, but there’s no “there” there. He has stood for so little in his brief Senate career you could drive a truck through the chasm between his rhetoric and reality. Do his supporters bother to check his voting record? Apparently not. I refuse to worship the cult of Obama. He’s not MY savior. As a religion, he’s as empty as any cult.
Posted by: Bonnie Johnson | February 10, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
This is surely amazing. I am watching people pass judgement regarding substance on all in this race and now we pass judgement on each other. Who’s educated, who’s in a cult, who’s fooling who? Each canidate outlines the plans that they have on their websites. I have read them all. The substance is there, if you look. i am not surprised that what should be a debate here on line about information we all have access to has turned into the same name calling and lack of inspirational thought of which Obama derides.
Now, everyone with experience in the race is handling themselves in a much nicer fashion after being born and raised on negative campaigning. Now all involved are talking of change despite the lack thereof in the plans listed issue by issue on each website. Now did John and Hillary also join the Obama “cult” or are they just as inspired by him. Immitation is the truest form of flattery. I know people want to be the first to say I told you so about Obama. But at least let it be an original thought and not a reiteration of talking points being handed down from the previous generation…oops, I mean administration. Peace.
Posted by: William | February 10, 2008, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm
We have endured nearly 8 years of Bush, with lots of press go-along and duplicity. Excuuuuse me, if the sight of a genuine leader brings out our fallow American exuberance. The press is so cynical many journalists can’t even see joy for what it is. Try suspending your doubts and fear, for these are the human foibles that Bush feeds from, and we’ve all had enough of that sort of “cult.”
Posted by: Iris | February 10, 2008, 7:33 pm 7:33 pm
CrabbyGolightly.com asks:
“Oprahama: Does It Take One Messiah To Make Another?”
THE BOYS ON THE BLOGS ARE SUDDENLY EXPRESSING UNEASE AT THE “MASS MESSIANISM,” as Time’s Joe Klein puts it, at the grass roots campaign of Senator Barak Obama’s presidential campaign. Time’s Joe Klein notes in his piece “that there is an odd, anachronistic formality to Obama’s stump speech: it is always the same.”
Hmmmm. Is that ringing familiar to cultural observers? It seems Obama’s been getting lessons in crowd control from The First Lady of TV, Oprah Winfrey, one of his not-so-secret weapons in his battle for the White House? Check out http://www.crabbygolightly.com on some thoughts on how Obama has learned to induce ‘frenzy’ in his cultish fans. CrabbyGolightly.com. Taking a dim view of celebrity, media and power.
Posted by: crabbyy | February 10, 2008, 8:51 pm 8:51 pm
CrabbyGolightly.com asks:
“Oprahama: Does It Take One Messiah To Make Another?”
THE BOYS ON THE BLOGS ARE SUDDENLY EXPRESSING UNEASE AT THE “MASS MESSIANISM,” as Time’s Joe Klein puts it, at the grass roots campaign of Senator Barak Obama’s presidential campaign. Time’s Joe Klein notes in his piece “that there is an odd, anachronistic formality to Obama’s stump speech: it is always the same.”
Hmmmm. Is that ringing familiar to cultural observers? It seems Obama’s been getting lessons in crowd control from The First Lady of TV, Oprah Winfrey, one of his not-so-secret weapons in his battle for the White House? Check out http://www.crabbygolightly.com on some thoughts on how Obama has learned to induce ‘frenzy’ in his cultish fans. CrabbyGolightly.com. Taking a dim view of celebrity, media and power.
Posted by: crabbyy | February 10, 2008, 8:52 pm 8:52 pm
Watching this simpering leftist trot out the most trite slogans and his disciples fumble over themselves to assuage their collective white guilt over supposed historical grievances just makes me anticipate all the more the eventual take down. Obama is going to be ripped to shreds if he is nominated and it will be the most beautifully brutal take down since Dukakis in 1988. It will all be made possible merely by letting people know what he is. No lies or distortions necessary.
I can’t wait.
Posted by: BJ | February 11, 2008, 8:43 am 8:43 am
Not to worry. I remember exactly the same fervor for the Kennedy boys. That’s how long it’s been since there was any reason to show this kind of enthusiasm for the Dem side of the aisle. Let’s not forget the dangerous enthusiasm shown by the rightwing evangelical extremists who want to turn this country into a Chrisitan theocracy. If that happens, you’ll be wishing PLENTY for a President Obama.
Posted by: archiesboy | February 11, 2008, 9:08 am 9:08 am
This sounds like another mass media need to control voters for the media SACRED corperate America!
Posted by: Merlin | February 11, 2008, 10:06 am 10:06 am
This sounds like another mass media need to control voters for the media SACRED corporate America!
Posted by: Merlin | February 11, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am
Cults
It’s amusingly ironic that the many journalists who suggest that Obama supporters resemble a pseudoreligious cult of personality are themselves acting in cult-like lockstep.
Posted by: Framed | February 11, 2008, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm
i’m really not interested in paying for obama’s on the job training program as president, either through my tax dollars or through pain and suffering from his trial and error efforts. neither do i want someone who can’t “press the right button” when conducting senate votes including when he voted to strip millions of dollars from a child welfare office in chicago. sorry barack, “oops” does not give me hope.
Posted by: Mark | February 11, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
OK – lets be real here. Barack grew up with whites and asians. he was raised by a white family and went to white schools. yes he is tan but he is no brother. he uses his race when it is convenient and then distances himself when that is convenient.He is a baby boomer – He is 46 years old. He mixes the speech of Tony Robbins, Joel Osteen with the syntax of black preachers.It is a combustible concoction of holy mania. when you analyze and read his speeches he is actually not saying anything. It reminds me of people selling MLM schemes to down on their luck people. All hype and inspiration and can do spirit. Ever watch the Music Man? Or read stories about the Pied Piper? I am disappointed in our choices. It never ceases to amaze me that in this vast country this is the best we can come up with. Hillary certainly has her flaws. But she and McCain have talked the talk and walked the walk. If we were attacked tomorrow I would want one of them there to take charge. I am a liberal person but I can be objective about issues. I predicted this crazy Iraq mess before Barack. I believed and still believe a lot of it or all of it was over the oil. Call me a cynic. However, after screwing it up beyond all expectations we do now seem to have made some progress. I think we need to leave in a way that protects our security and the security of the region. I think we need to be realistic about our enemies who will always be ready to exploit out weaknesses. Barack is like JFK? You mean like getting us into a Bay of Pigs? Like the nuclear war he almost got us into? Or the Vietnam War he got us into? None of us are saints and those Kennedys are certainly not saints. Joe the bootlegger and vote buyer and friend of mobsters. Teddy flawed by killing and running away from Mary Joe.I loved Bobby but he too was flawed – supporting Joe McCarthy etc. So I guess what I am saying is before you take a stand read some history, immerse yourself in the facts. See the qualifications of each candidate, their positions etc. And realize that everyone has flaws and it is dangerous to put someone up on a pedestal – they are there to work for us. They are flawed people like the rest of us.
Posted by: mrsnivel | February 11, 2008, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm
OMG…(no pun intended) I have been saying that this guy is NOT saying anything…he’s just moving his lips and preaching to the masses. There is something strange and maybe even sinister about this whole thing I’m not buying into all this hysteria–I can’t figure out if this guy thinks he’s Elvis or Jesus Christ or Mohammud. Either way this guy creeps me out and I’ve been a registered Dem all my life! Are people using their brains? Because if they were they would see that this guy hasn’t said anything yet. If Hillary doesn’t pull it out I’ll be voting for McCain.
Posted by: amy in ohio | February 11, 2008, 10:59 pm 10:59 pm
Well my fellow Americans,another cult is upon us. Let us run to the safty of a true leader HILLARY
Posted by: Chris | February 12, 2008, 11:54 am 11:54 am
I went to the Democratic caucus in Washington, and I was truly appalled by the glassy-eyed, irrational fanaticism and naivete of Obama supporters. I was initially for Hillary because she has substance whereas Obama doesn’t. But now I am really alarmed Obama may actually get elected. I can’t possibly imagine Obama getting anything done or at worst doing a lot of damage by refusing to focus on facts or details.
Disguising his lack of policies, plans and execution abilities (the presidency is an executive position after all) by attributing it to lack of hope is a classic cult tactic to shame non-coverts.
Shame on the media for not uncovering this travesty of a campaign and candidate.
Posted by: Sarah | February 12, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
White male liberals have finally found a televangelist they can love: “Yes I Can Barack Obama”. And like all men seduced by passion and superficial appearance, they will eventually wake up with a gigantic case of shame and regret about the good reasoning and good woman they abandoned, and the morning-after national headache will last four years.
Posted by: Core Democrat in Texas | February 12, 2008, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm
Judging by the later comments in response to your article, you have hit upon a strategy to defeat Obama – and raised to the surface many lightly buried hateful feelings. Congratulations. I do not consider myself a cult follower – but I do remember Bobby Kennedy in ’68, and actually being enthused about a political candidate. I am not a Bible-thumper, but I am offended by your sarcastic use of Christian scripture. Would you do the same with the Torah or Koran?
Posted by: Johan | February 12, 2008, 10:10 pm 10:10 pm
Obama is a screen, a very pretty screen for others to project their hopes and dreams. The enthusiasm he generates is exciting and energizing except that our president is one of the most powerful people on the planet. He has no preparation for this position and must rely on his charisma and a power base that includes Oprah. Obama will dance with the ones who brought him. Real change creates opposition. Hillary can take the heat.
Posted by: Snobama | February 13, 2008, 12:48 am 12:48 am
I have been reading most of the comments left by the previous bloggers, and I have to say, Barack Obama can not do any worse than that idiot we have had to deal with for 7 years, who, I might add, manipulated the itelligence of those persons (the other 1/2 of our society) who claim to be of above average intellence, that Sadam Hussien was responsible for 9/11. Look, I’m not saying that Barack (Moses)is any better than the politicians we have encounterd over the past decade, and I not even sure that he will be the answer to the prayers that have been offered up to God, to deliver us from Bush (Pharoh). However, If he be of God, you don’t want to be the ones to strive against destiny, and if he be not of God, his campaign will come to nought. So take it easy fellas, be careful before you start throwing out these antichrist-like comments—lets not put the horse before the wagon.
Posted by: Reggie | February 13, 2008, 6:18 am 6:18 am
And some folks have often wondered how dictators come into power.
Posted by: leigh | February 13, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am
Hillary has made serial adultery acceptable. No wonder Hollywood loves her so much. Please, no more Clintons!
Posted by: jerry kahler | February 13, 2008, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm
Obama needs to inspire to win a national campaign. If he talks about the issues in a dry calculated way (ala Gore, Kerry or even Bob Dole; as opposed to an actor- Regan, a charmer- Bill, or a guy you can have a beer with- Bush) he could never garner the support and sustained excitement needed. This is a political move. This does not necessarily mean he is unfamiliar with the issues, he is. Unlike Hillary, he cannot afford to be a policy wonk (she has the name recognition, and thus is not terribly hurt by being stiff and calculating; although she has improved). Moreover, every candidate who tries to win a national election must appeal to a large group, and therefore must have a general message!! (“I am for family values” “I am for the middle class” “No child left behind” etc.) This is not particular to Obama. Moreover, consider the fact that Obama is trying to bring Americans from different persuasions and walks of life together, hence it would require his message to be more general than usual.
The fact that some folks get out of hand and become crazed supporters is no indicator that the movement is not genuine or substantive. After all, we can all think of examples of crazy followers of a moderate and good movement who are not reflective of its core values. If you are interested about where Obama stands on an issue, find out! Then, agree or disagree with him. But please stop this nonsense. What is wrong with inspiring a whole generation of public servants? What is wrong with energizing a bunch of complacent Americans about the good this nation could do?
Posted by: ThinkingARV | February 13, 2008, 9:06 pm 9:06 pm
I find the “all style, no substance” argument to be bit ridiculous (and incredibly unoriginal). Stump speeches are much more effective when they are inspiring rather than policy heavy. For policy information, refer to his website where there are detailed plans for a number of issues. Or, read his book, the Audacity of Hope, where he lays out his policy ideas.
Voting for president is a privilege and a responsibility. Do your research before you vote.
And, the next time you listen to a Hillary Clinton stump speech, listen carefully. How much policy does she really include in her standard stump speech?
Also, if, as people claim above, the smarter choice for president is Hillary (also mentioned was that people voting for Hillary were smarter than those voting for Barack), why does Barack perform better with college-educated voters than Hillary?
I find Barack Obama incredibly intelligent and inspiring. I also, however, have too much respect for Hillary Clinton’s accomplishments to bash her for her looks (as someone did Obama above) or for an unfounded reason (all style, no substance). I also believe strongly enough in the Democratic party, that although I support Obama, I will vote for Hillary if she is the general election candidate.
My preference of course is:
OBAMA ’08
Posted by: DAW | February 14, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
Policy ideas? Name one original policy idea that works and oh, wasn’t proposed by Clinton a few months ago.
Having vision is not the same as being able to carry things through. Yeah he’s great at rallying support, but this is like assuming Martin Luther King makes a good president…
And please, stop with the being against Obama = being against hope/change/optimism/all things good. Haven’t we heard the same rap when being against Bush = being against freedom/democracy/patriotism/the American ideal?
Posted by: c u l t | February 15, 2008, 1:30 am 1:30 am
Adding onto Obama’s statement regarding God, there is now a website we can go to called, “Is Barack Obama The Messiah?”
What is going on?
“When Morgan Freeman comes over to greet Obama, the senator begins bowing down both hands in worship. ‘This guy was president before I was,’ says Obama, referring to Freeman’s turn in Deep Impact and, clearly, getting a little ahead of his own bio. Next, a nod to Bruce Almighty: ‘This guy was God before I was.’”
Posted by: Tim | February 15, 2008, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
Unfortunately, for too long, cynics like you, Jake, have been given myriad reasons to immediately and systematically doubt anything resembling a unified “movement.” I know, because I was once like you–a qualified, certified doubter of all that appeared “good” on the outside. I was so sure that underneath lurked a threat. That below the surface some conspiracy of forces were plotting to strip me of my identity, my rationality, and my values. It was only when Obama reminded me that there is a different way to perceive and live in the world, that politics isn’t just a game the old rich folks play to make themselves richer as they get older that I realized my calloused doubt and disbelief was itself the source of my anxiety. What you are seeing in Obamamania is not a cult-like group of pathetic, mindless, suckers who clutch at his robes like he’s the messiah–what you’re seeing are millions of people who have just woken up from decades of disbelief. What you’re seeing is a nation realizing that America is not a machine to be operated by politicians (or even the media)…it’s a living organism whose growth depends on each of its individual parts. That’s what you’re sensing. I understand your tendency to doubt, but have you ever considered trying a different perspective for a CHANGE?
Posted by: Bonnie | February 15, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm
You’re no cynic. this article is just pragmatic. Great job(ama). No really, great points.
Posted by: jessica | February 16, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
Obama’s speeches have in fact become increasing critical of experience and the political battles that have been fought, regardless of whether the outcome was good and regardless of what the experienced lawmakers were standing up for. That adds to a growing sense of unease I’ve had about an attitude I’ve seen in Obama supporters, a notion that anyone who is not young should just step aside, regardless of their ability or accomplishments, and let the young newcomers take over.
I remember listening to Obama speak at the 2004 Democratic convention, and I thought he was wonderful. I was really impressed — he sounded so smart, reasonable, capable. I thought this guy will be a rising star in the Senate.
But lately I’ve been troubled by some of his campaign speeches and the emotional, mass following, cult-leader character that’s developing. I thought his comment “We are the ones we’ve been waiting for” was kinda eerie, but dismissed it as enthusiasm of the moment. Then I read the comment about a beam of light coming down and you’ll have an epiphany and you’ll go out and vote for Obama, but I just figured that was an anti-Obama misstatement. But I’ve seen it several times now, and it’s the main quote on the obamamessiah.com website. But I still doubted those words had from the mouth of the smart, rational Obama who spoke at the Dem convention. So I did some research on legit news sites and, unexpectedly, discovered that Obama did in fact say those exact words in Hanover NH in Jan 2008. That scares me. And that’s just not the Obama from the 2004 convention. That worries me more than the willingness to indiscriminately push out the “older” generation.
History has taught me to be very leery of any mass movements based on personality, and of any movement to exclude any group of people, and particularly any modern day movement that tells its followers to act based on beams of light from above instead of reason, logic, or knowledge. (and yes, I do believe in a messiah, but only the one who came 2000 years ago).
I know you can dismiss my fears, but mark my words, every act has unintended consequences. Some say that the passionate following of Obama is good; but as the Zen master said “we’ll see”.
Posted by: Core Democrat in Texas | February 16, 2008, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm
Obama, from anti-war speech 10/2/02:
“…I don’t oppose all wars…
I don’t oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.
What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income – to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression.
That’s what I’m opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.”
Posted by: mostimportantdecision | February 16, 2008, 7:33 pm 7:33 pm
“How fortunate for leaders that men do not think.”
Posted by: Quote from Guess Who | February 16, 2008, 10:09 pm 10:09 pm
Are a lot of Obama’s supporters unaware of the issues and taken by his rhetoric?
Yes.
Does this NECESSARILY mean that he is ignorant about policy issues?
No.
Is rhetoric NECESSARILY used for evil purposes?
No.
Is there a mass movement?
Let’s see….The democrats are divided. The republicans don’t care for Obama. And most of the country, as usual, is too busy to give a crap. hmmmm movement perhaps, but assuredly not a mass movement.
Is attacking Obama supporters instead of his positions a fallacious means of dismissing him?
Yes. Some people on this blog make it seems as if Obama and his policy advisor’s would be at a lost for words when asked about policy. Or maybe they think his policy people would reply to every question saying “hope” or “change” with zombie eyes. What nonsense. If you want substance about Obama ‘s positions, you have to do the same thing you would have to do when seeking substance in any topic, seek it out.
Posted by: really | February 17, 2008, 12:26 am 12:26 am
The more I learn about Obama the more I get a wierd feeling about him.
Posted by: Jamie | February 17, 2008, 8:26 pm 8:26 pm
“The problem here is not supporters of the other candidates, it is the fact that the Obama supporters are obsessed over an individual who has not shown to take a stand on any issues, he answers in general to appease both sides.”
This is kind of funny given that Obama is the candidate who was willing to oppose the Iraq war back when over 90% of Americans enthusiastically supported it.
Posted by: Cal | February 18, 2008, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm
“He’s the most liberal senator in DC, and with the crop we have in there no, that is no small statement.”
Actually, given how conservative the Senate is, it would be a good thing if Obama were the ‘most liberal Senator’.
“It starts me to think of Revelations, on the anti-christ and how the end of the world is perdicted for Dec 12, 2012″
How odd that I can’t find that date mentioned in my Bible.
Posted by: Cal | February 18, 2008, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm
His support is starting to resemble a cult. Just the other day, I saw a video on CNN about people clapping when he blows his nose.
It’s really disturbing all this rah-rah-rah and fervor about how he’s the “messiah.” Some Americans remind me of sheep unable to think clearly for themselves.
Posted by: Nick | February 23, 2008, 3:25 am 3:25 am
I watched part of a speech of his where he was knowingly making his voice go up and down, rising and falling on purpose to sound like a preacher or something. Leading the ignorant in America straight to the slaughter.
So distressing. The more I hear about this guy, the less I like him. I wish the media would wake up! I wish people would wake up!!
Posted by: Nick | February 23, 2008, 3:35 am 3:35 am
Don’t worry, I am not joining the cult nor am I swayed by a “rockstar” with a pretty face and empty words. They have called him the American Mandela even though he has done nothing to earn this name. In fact, Obama has done nothing, but being charming and pretty. I can’t believe that so many have fallen for empty words. Were is our intelligence, for goodness sake? Aren’t we supposed to hire the best qualified candidate, the candidate with the best credential and experience for the biggest job of the nation??? I guess not…because it seems that Oprah just like with her book club will tell us what to buy. Unbelievable…I am not a sheep. I am not a blind follower. I have a brain, so I will NOT vote for Obama.
Posted by: Tom | February 23, 2008, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm
ObamaZomies!, or OZ for short.
Posted by: Jeff Barboir | February 24, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
This article is unfair. You people act like Obama’s supporters are weak and stupid. We are not! I support Obama because of his state/federal legislative record and current platform. You all are allowing the media to define Obama’s campaign as a cult and now you all are jumping on board like sheep. Media controls how the masses think! Right now – the media wants to turn Obama’s strength into a weakness. Shame on you all for not thinking for yourselves.
Posted by: Yvonne | February 26, 2008, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
Charimsa has a lot to do with success in politics. As does vision and ambition. I don’t beleive that either Clinton or Obama are ideal candidates. I beleive that Obama is far too non-committal on his positions and relies too much on his personality and energy. I beleive that Hillary compromises her own personal vision and values to do what she beleives will be popular. (in a way, that’s really what a senator should do. I’m not convinced that it’s a trait that I want to see in a President, though) Either could lead to a disaster if there isn’t someone to balance them out. I think a lot of the ultimate success is going to hinge on who the winner chooses as a running mate.
I’m reminded that both Kennedy and Bill Clinton were perceived as riding on personality and charisma. This alone leads me to lend a bit more slack to Obama. Personality and charisma grease the wheels for a lot of political action.
Honestly, I’d be happy to see either one in office. They’re both intelligent, socially responsible and, I beleive, humble enough to listen to advisors. I have my concerns about the ability of either one to swing Republicans over to the Democratic side, though. (heck, I’m concerned about hardcore Obama or Hillary supporters jumping ship if they don’t get thier choice and if the Rebuplicans manage put together a moderate enough ticket)
Posted by: JohnnyB | February 28, 2008, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
Helter Skelter? Really? You’re comparing political enthusiasm to a group who brutally murdered a house full of people at the direction of its leader?
Back off, Tapper. You’re way out of line.
Perhaps Obama’s supporters are exuberant because there has been so little for the American people to be excited about lately. That doesn’t make them loony or homicidally maniacal. Maybe you should go back and watch some of the footage of Robert Kennedy’s presidential campaign in 1968. Do you compare those excited citizens to Manson’s marauders?
Posted by: Jeffrey | February 29, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
I completely agree. The Obama cult creeps me out.
Posted by: Kathleen | March 1, 2008, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm
I am personally disgusted by the blatant reference to Charles Manson’s cult in relation to Barack Obama followers. As a previous commenter noted, much of the excitement over Mr. Obama comes more from a general sense of apathy, languor and general disgust at the current state of affairs in this country. Having to deal with George Bush’s somber, grim demeanor for the past eight years has been eight years too long, and it has been decades since there has been a candidate who is so polarizing to so many different people. To mark Obama supporters as creepy is just a clue to me that Hillary’s camp is starting to crap their pants a wee bit. Sure, Obama may be rising to favor more so by his enthusiasm and inspiring words, but Hillary is only rising because she is a lying, conniving, mudslinging bitch who will stop at nothing to get her way – even at the expense of her own political party.
This world is getting just a tad too nasty and jaded when those that are inspired by someone are likened to cult-followers.
Posted by: Katie | March 6, 2008, 2:02 am 2:02 am
like many political runners for the highest office in the land,the people never realy know what to exspect until the stage has been set and all the players are on stage for the grand opening.it’s the not knowing that kills you.
Posted by: gene | March 14, 2008, 9:50 pm 9:50 pm
I COMPLETELY agree. I get a bad feeling when I see Obama on television. I dont know exactly what it is, but something about him really creeps me out and sets off my instincts. And, btw, his little futuristic logo with the sun over the stripes seems the most cultish of it all. Looks like doomsday to me.
Posted by: Alberto | March 17, 2008, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm
Great article. Obama terrifies me almost as much as John McCain. He reminds me of Deval Patrick, governor of Massachusetts, who got elected after doing a very similar grassroots campaign. So far, the only things of importance he’s done in office are change the Governor’s car from a Crown Victoria to a Cadillac, and try and push through a casino bill that he himself has said won’t pass. I think that for all his cheap talk and good looks, he will end up being a do-nothing if elected.
Posted by: casey | March 19, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am
Jake,
Clinton supporters have been saying this for months! lol.
Posted by: John | April 7, 2008, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm
Notice how many Obama supporters use the word “shame” or variations of it when countering others opinions. Very interesting indeed…
Posted by: Get-A-Clue | April 8, 2008, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm
Obama is nothing more than a smooth-talking bureaucrat, a slick recruiter for the Church of Obama. As a Senator, he was INVISIBLE until he began campaigning for the presidency; he never even spearheaded ONE major piece of legislation, and STILL hasn’t. I believe he is all hot air and will be as ineffectual in the White House as he has been in the Senate. Ineffectual, or INCOMPETENT. (To be fair, Hillary has been equally inactive in the Senate, and McCain is a flake who has voted all over the board. What a rotten choice of candidates we have this time around.)
Why should we expect Obama to rise to the occasion as a president when he couldn’t even rise to exceptional prominence and brilliance in the Senate? His lackluster performance as a legislator is the only record we have of Obama’s ability to govern (or not) at a national level, and it demonstrates to us that he is an empty suit.
Obama’s worshipers have no cause for ecstatic celebration that he has finessed his way to the top of the Democratic candidacy. Instead, the glassy-eyed believers should think of him as a “junior executive” with no experience and probably no aptitude as a controlling authority; he will most likely make an unremarkable or wretched “CEO” if he is allowed to manage the institution that is America.
Posted by: db | April 20, 2008, 10:27 am 10:27 am
Hilarious that the Clinton sock puppets say Obama is an empty suit when he has two substantive bills that he co-authored now as laws and Hillary’s total: ZERO! What can Hillary hang her hat on in her eight years as a senator? That Woodstock museum? $2.3 BILLION in earmarks requests? She has NEVER authored or passed anything remotely approaching something substantive and constantly lies about her “experience.” Obama has plenty of substance if you choose to take the blinders off.
Posted by: MarkieBee | April 30, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
Didn’t Tim Russert and Joe Klein wept in NH when they witnessed a Bill Clinton’s I feel your pain moment?
Posted by: sonya | June 21, 2008, 12:07 am 12:07 am
Thank you New Yorker magazine. Your cover reflects what many of us feel/think but don’t dare say for fear of being called racist, etc. The carton is not funny or satirical, it’s FACTUAL in essence. This is why it’s so uncomfortable. It speaks to our inner voice. Thank you again for saying what I can’t outloud!!!
Posted by: blue | July 14, 2008, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm
America may be ready for a black president, but does that mean we are obligated to elect someone president, just because they are black? Obama has extremely minimal experience and minimal credentials, not to mention his 20 years joined at the hip with anti-American racists. Also, about 15% of our population is black, so in a democracy, why are the other 85% of us made to feel obligated to elect a black man? I think the problems confronting America today are too dire and too complex to elect someone who is less qualified, just because it is politically correct.
Posted by: Gina | July 16, 2008, 10:11 am 10:11 am
I also am afraid of Obama, his supporters do seem like a cult. It reminds me of Jim Jones. I have never seen anything like this, the media is falling all over themselves about him. They talk about real change, what is the change he is supposed to be making??? I haven’t heard anything but him raising taxes and giving more money away to the “poor” people. Tax the rich and give to the poor. That is the way of the communist party. AMERICA, WAKE UP, DO NOT ELECT THIS ANTI-CHRIST!
Posted by: gnickles | July 22, 2008, 11:54 pm 11:54 pm
Have we forgatten that Biden plagiarized a political speech from a British student????
Now he is plagiarizing a Barak speech.
Posted by: Nostragamos | August 23, 2008, 8:56 pm 8:56 pm
These posts disgust me. I didn’t start following this campaign until pretty late in the game but I too was a little nervous about Obama at the start.
But instead of making generalizations about the candidate and his followers or letting his opponent tell me what he was all about, I did my research. He’s not perfect but according to factcheck.org, many of his proposals are achievable and from the looks of his speeches over the past few years (circa 02 though 07), he genuinely seems to want to move toward a less partisan structure, move on from Iraq while supporting the soldiers returning, and get America vested in renewable energy.
At least go to his website and check out the independent sites. The best thing about politics in the age of the internet is that we don’t have to take politicians at their word anymore It’s disturbing that so many people would prejudge a candidate now that when there is so much information to be had through a simple google search.
Posted by: Risa | September 7, 2008, 4:32 am 4:32 am
Obama shoud use OLD versus NEW instead of change.
OLD are te financial institutes that do’nt work. OLD is McCain. OLD versus NEW is positive, change merely says you dislike the current situation. OLD versus NEW you cannot McCain cannot copy like Change. Because he is OLD and never can play the NEW guy. Amaricans shoud admid that their capitalism and democracy (the OLD) should change. That’s a hard thing for OLD people and figter pilots that build america. But building it doesn’t give the right to bring america down by repeating old dreams. Every tome you say OLD v.s. NEW, you think at OLD McCain, OLD Banks and this McCain cannot copy, he is OLD.
Posted by: arnoud B | September 17, 2008, 6:09 am 6:09 am
As the great and prophetic LL COOL J once said… BAMA SAID KNOCK YOU OUT!
Wear your politics on your sleeve and on your t-shirt.
Posted by: otter | October 2, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am
There was another time in history when the intelligent masses blindly followed a charismatic leader who promised his people to restore their country to it’s former glory.
Children sang songs of change. The people didn’t use any critical thinking. They didn’t ask enough questions. They trusted the government to fix their little troubles.
And then world war II broke out.
People – do not entrust another person to handle your mistakes. Trusting others will take care of you is why you’re in trouble now.
Obama is not Hitler but Obama is a fraud. He is inexperienced. He will not save you.
But it is too late. Once the primaries ended we were already screwed.
Posted by: IamScranton | November 1, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
I don’t feel it is out of order to call some of Obama’s supporters …. cultish. Get a grip people let the man do the job he has been elected to do. Im a Rep. and I will say so far I am pleased. Obama ran on the campaign idea to raise taxes on what he called the “Rich”. I believed raising taxes was a hugh mistake and so did McCain…. and here we are just 2 months later and he is doing the opposite what he said he would do and exactly what McCain was going to do…. Think I may like this man! hahahahahahahah
Posted by: joleen | January 23, 2009, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm
I’m a citizen which is on social seurity which I have a major health problems such as HIV, COPD, High blood pressure. If government decided to cut health care or decided to increase medicare from 8% to 16%, I want be able to pay for my medications. Then I also heard that, people on social security want be getting a price to living cost when every esle is getting a boost. Which isn’t fair, because I’m on a set pay. We as people that are social security needed some answers.
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