By MichaelJames

Feb 15, 2008 6:43pm

Bill Clinton: Obama ‘Literally Not Part of Any of the Good Things’ From the 1990s

ABC News’ Sarah Amos reports that former President Bill Clinton — despite myriad promises he would stop assailing his wife’s opponent given how it has backfired on her — upped his harsh attacks today in Tyler, Texas.

"There are two competing moods in America today," Clinton said. "People who want something fresh and new — and they find it inspiring that we might elect a president who literally was not part of any of the good things that happened or any of the bad things that were stopped before. The explicit argument of the campaign against Hillary is that ‘No one who was involved in the 1990s or this decade can possibly be an effective president because they had fights.  We’re not going to have any of those anymore.’ Well, if you believe that, I got some land I wanna sell you."

ABC News’ Sarah Amos is traveling with the former president and transcribed his comments.

For the record, in the 1990s, Obama was a civil rights attorney, community organizer, and was in the Illinois state senate.

Presumably, by "any of the good things that happened" in the 1990s, Clinton is referring to the things he did as president (except for the ones his wife now distances herself from, such as NAFTA).

Sometimes, it sure feels like the former president’s defense of his legacy gets in the way of his campaigning for his wife.

- jpt

UPDATE: Obama campaign spox Bill Burton tells ABC News in response, "It appears that the man who once told us ‘Don’t stop thinking about tomorrow’ has changed his tune and is now singing ‘Yesterday’ everywhere he goes."

User Comments

Bill Clinton’s shameful legacy is not worth preserving.

Posted by: Tell the Truth | February 15, 2008, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm

Time to boot both Clintons off the national stage right now and forever.
The litany of graceless and mean-spirited attacks from Bill Clinton never fails to make me feel bad.
He can’t control himself and neither can Hillary. They are old news; they are bitter and their time is up.

Posted by: Sally | February 15, 2008, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm

GO BILL!!!! We need to know more about OBAMA, the media and whoever is protecting him should treat him like every other candidate that ha run for office in this country.

Posted by: Maria | February 15, 2008, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm

Bill, Good comment! I always feel your analysis is so insightful, to the point. I dont mind and cannt wait to go back to the “old time, with the old folks” if the new president can create 90s economic again for us. No one has the right to disable Bill voice. Please let him talk. We need to hear two side story.

Posted by: sueiss | February 15, 2008, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm

Any credibility or respect people, including myself, had for Bill before this primary has surely been thrown into the wastebin of history, along with his wife’s political future. The Clintons only have themselves to blame for what they have wrought.

Posted by: Ames | February 15, 2008, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm

I agree with the previosu post. We need know more about Obama. How he could purchase his mansion at the price of $300000 below market value? What about his 18-year long lasting friendship with the accused slumslord? Where is media’s justice? How come on one talk about it? We need more information.

Posted by: suess | February 15, 2008, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm

“They are old news; they are bitter and their time is up.”
Yes, and their ancient battles squander an energy we need our leaders to use more constructively.
Bill, you happened to be on watch during a comfortable period of late century Americana. The party’s over.

Posted by: J Robinson | February 15, 2008, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm

How utterly disappointing to hear Bill Clinton resort back to deliberately ambiguous attacks that he knows are misleading. Why Bill why?

Posted by: JeanTN | February 15, 2008, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm

huuuh!! Here he comes again to screw things up!!!
I wouldn’t mind!!! This really helps Barack a lot!
Go Bill go!!!!
(-:

Posted by: J. Perez Acosta | February 15, 2008, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm

I only hope the American public will wise up soon; my God we have Hillary read yand willing to serve and we are thinking of putting our trust in this “pie in the sky neophyte.” However I know not to overestimate teh stupidity of the American electorate: first we appoint GWB for 8 years, now we are going to do the same thing with this Obama character: wise up you guys. The Clintons are not perfect, but they are competent.

Posted by: Mark J Biberg | February 15, 2008, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm

I don’t know who Obama is. I did know he did drugs when he was young. Of course, we should never say we should never elect anyone having histroy of drug. But at least, he need to tell us more, using his records, his action, not just speech, to convince us he can be our president. For now, I’d rather support Hillary because thanks to Right Wing, we know every detail about Hillary. She is the one I can trust!

Posted by: Nick | February 15, 2008, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm

No, Bill, the American public wants a candidate who is not tainted by the scandal and corruption of the last 20 years. You see, you and your wife represent a time, long ago, when our nation’s attention was focused not on healthcare but on whether or not your LIES constituted an impeachable offense. We don’t want to see your finger-wagging mug on our tv sets during dinner. We’d rather see someone with dignity and class and wisdom and judgment. That, Bill, is why Barack is kicking your wife’s tail.

Posted by: Leo | February 15, 2008, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm

I wonder all those Obama supporters, are they Demorcrats or Republicans? How come they are so frightened by Bill’s words? Ridiculous thing I heard is Republican stratigists encourage Republicans in TX come out to vote for Obama…watch out…dont let Republican get antoher 4 years!

Posted by: Nicholas | February 15, 2008, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm

Distasteful. How sad.

Posted by: Penny | February 15, 2008, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm

Nicholas, I am (for now) a Democrat and an Obama supporter, and I can assure you that most Obama supporters don’t fear Bill Clinton’s words. In fact, we welcome them. He’s passe, and while it is almost sad to watch, with each passing day he falls further into the dustbin of history and irrelevancy. He doesn’t even seem to be aware that: 1.) his comments hurt his wife and help Obama; and 2.) these comments in particular help make Obama’s point about his candidacy (the future) versus Hillary’s (the past). In a change election like this one, I’ll take the guy who is untainted by the past every time….

Posted by: Leo | February 15, 2008, 7:37 pm 7:37 pm

lets face it.. the .com’s had the most to do with the success of the 90s. those days are over!

Posted by: cd | February 15, 2008, 7:41 pm 7:41 pm

I like them both. I want to vote for either one of them. They both are very good candidates that can both take it to the Republicans. I have never felt better about being a Democrat.

Posted by: Merto | February 15, 2008, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm

Obama supporters: Blah, blah, blah and more blah.

Posted by: Lou | February 15, 2008, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm

That’s right BilL! Go for it!
Don’t stop defending your wife!
America needs the Clintos back to the White House! We don’t need HOPE, WE NEED HELP!!!!!

Posted by: Frisco Girl | February 15, 2008, 7:44 pm 7:44 pm

Bill is hilarious. He’s become a worse caricature of himself than the presentation on SNL that Darrell Hammond does.
Nice to know that Hillary has him “reigned in and under control”.
Hilarious.

Posted by: Brandon | February 15, 2008, 7:45 pm 7:45 pm

Could one imagine? an Obama/Bloomberg match?
“I don’t know whether Senator Obama looked to see what I’ve been advocating, or not — you’ll have to ask him — but he’s doing the right thing,” Bloomberg said.

Posted by: Philo | February 15, 2008, 7:47 pm 7:47 pm

No, Bill, wrong again. The “is” is that they’re not interested in having the Clinton brand of corruption back again. We’ve had the Bush corruption for seven years now and just because yours has a different surname doesn’t make it any better.
Please try to have some dignity and just be quiet for a change. After the election, we’ll call you when a car lot opens and you can have your photo taken there.

Posted by: Mr. Johnson | February 15, 2008, 7:47 pm 7:47 pm

Suess, he didn’t purchase the house at $300k below market price, he purchased it a $300k less than the house next to it (which happened to be bigger than his). Saying this is shady is as idiotic as Hillary’s use of his Kindergarten quotes.

Posted by: Chris | February 15, 2008, 7:47 pm 7:47 pm

Where’d anyone ever get the idea that Bill Clinton is besmirching Obama?
Good things in the 90′s–he’s not talking about the failed atttempt at universal healthcare.

Posted by: Mr_Humidty | February 15, 2008, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm

Wonders never cease! Bill Clinton’s memory is certainly short: ie his lies, his deceit, his integrity…the lack of,his cheating ways…I’d be sitting her until tomorrow morning using goodness knows how many unpleasant adjectives to be applied to him. Won’t waste my time or any of the readers. In short…one will go to any lengths when in the panic mode. You truly need God more in your life! And I, a senior citizen shall pray for you and Hillary.

Posted by: Barbara | February 15, 2008, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm

Bill has become irrelevent and pretty soon Hillary will become also. She will join him in his anger and bitterniss.

Posted by: lee | February 15, 2008, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm

Btw, I hope the Hillary supporters spewing such rage and negativity about Obama aren’t so dug into their positions against Obama that they are going to go down with the sinking ship once hs secures the nomination.
As sad and bitter as this nomination fight has got at times we are going to need one another in November.
That’s the great thing about Obama’s message of unity….it includes you too.

Posted by: Brandon | February 15, 2008, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm

Personally I never liked either Clinton (both right wing Democrats) though I did empathize during the Impeachment scandal. Bill’s fifteen minutes are over. Hillary wants to sell experience but she flubbed two of the most critical decisions she had to make as a senator: Iraq and Kyle Lieberman-so much for experience. And I’m sorry but being married to the President does NOT qualify as experience. If so, she should running against Laura Bush.
Hillary would probably lose to McCain since Iraq would be off the table. And even if she won what would we have to look forward to, four years of partisan wrangling and reliving the 1990s.
Been there. Done that. This country is so screwed by the utterly incompetent Bush that we need more than Hillary can provide to straighten things out.
The Clintons and the wing nuts on this site can make all sorts of accusations about Obama like drugs or the Rezko association ort his so called lack of experience. But experience means nothing, as Cheney and Rumsfeld have tons of experience but no sense. Hillary and McCain both have their own axes to bear, some more than others.
Does anyone remember Hillary fundraiser Norman Hsu–the recently convicted Norman Hsu? I do believe that Hillary and Bill had a relationship with Rezko as well. And who can forget McCain as a charter member of the Keating Five.
Obama represents a chance for real change.

Posted by: Michael Deane | February 15, 2008, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm

‘Bill Clinton: Obama literally not any part of the good things from the 90s’
hahaha. i thought i’d accidentally surfed to ‘the onion’ website for a second there!
bill, get a grip. when you’ve turned into a parody of yourself, and your comments unintentionally read like satirical headlines, surely even you must know it’s time to leave the building?

Posted by: sarah | February 15, 2008, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm

I don’t understand what the deal is with Bill. Does he think we are dumb? He sets up straw men and knocks them down.
‘No one who was involved in the 1990s or this decade can possibly be an effective president because they had fights. We’re not going to have any of those anymore.’
This is not Obama’s argument and he knows it. For someone who complains and complains about things he says being twisted and misconstrued, he sure is a hypocrite.

Posted by: Kripke | February 15, 2008, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm

What’s all the fuzz about the “other” candidate, the one from Illinois?
What is he really offering? More dreams? If by doing so qualifies one to become president, then, mover over, you, the “other candidate”, because here we come, all 100 million of us.

Posted by: Lucky | February 15, 2008, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm

After reading pages and pages of commentary about the Clintons and Barack Obama I am reminded of just how divisive and nasty the Clintons were. They are dividing their supporters and Obama’s supporters, they are dividing women and races and anything else they can find to divide Americans.

Posted by: deb | February 15, 2008, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm

Nicholas:
As a staunch Dem, I’ ve been listening to crazy right wing talk radio the last week or so, since their apoplexy over McCain getting the nomination (over their increasingly strident protests) has provided me with a good deal of schadenfreude. I swear to God, I thought Hugh Hewett was going to start blubbering on the air the day that Romney announced his withdrawal from the campaign.
Anyway, I heard Hannity approve of one caller’s plan to vote for Hillary in Texas. The reason? They know they can beat her; or, in the words of the caller, “I’m afraid of Barack” (she didn’t even call him “Obama”). He seemed to concur, but also seemed eager to change the subject, like she was sharing some kind of dirty secret or something.

Posted by: ched | February 15, 2008, 7:54 pm 7:54 pm

Why is no one following Michelle Obama
around, I saw her make some pretty nasty cracks about Hillary and she can
really push the black people need to vote for Obama card…..imagine Hillary or Bill saying “white people need to vote for Hillary.” The press seems to only feel they have to monitor the Clintons…..I used to think I could vote for either one but after all the
Clinton piling on, I don’t want Obama for sure. If the press wants him this bad, he is not a good idea.

Posted by: Karen Young | February 15, 2008, 7:54 pm 7:54 pm

Leo, perhaps you can find a 3-year-old child who is not tainted by Republican machine. Do you want to elect him or her? Good luck! I listend all of Bill’s speech and I find it is extremely striking in some sense! It kind of provides a mirror to what those media feed us with. The truth is most of people out there tend to examine evey tiny bit of Bill’s word. How could it is not distorted? By the way, i dont mind past, as long it is good…

Posted by: Nicholas | February 15, 2008, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm

For the last time, Obama is a Christian, not a Muslim. And does being a Muslim disqualify one to run for president?

Posted by: Stormwater Management | February 15, 2008, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm

The Hillary is a total loser, with the Billy following her around/

Posted by: Heidi | February 15, 2008, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm

And Lucky–all 100 million, actually 300 million of us with dreams getting the government to work for us instead of corporations and itself. Yeah, that’s kind of the idea. Yes we can.

Posted by: Mannewell Darby | February 15, 2008, 8:02 pm 8:02 pm

It is ridicuous how Obama supporters mad out here. Please calm down. What is big deal with Bill speech? If you dont like it, stick your head into sand!

Posted by: nklhh | February 15, 2008, 8:04 pm 8:04 pm

Not being part of any of the “good” things from the 90′s is exactly why people are voting for him in droves.

Posted by: Tim | February 15, 2008, 8:06 pm 8:06 pm

i’m getting really depressed about both sides plus the comments of the american people reacting to the obama v hillary thing. we have to find a solution everyone can live with. sounds doubtful
what’s gore going to do? do we have hope there?

Posted by: lori | February 15, 2008, 8:09 pm 8:09 pm

When I read the comments from Obama supporters I grow a bit concerned. Am I the only one willing to proudly remember that it was Bill Clinton as President who balanced the budget, and a surplus to boot? Bill Clinton is the “original” CHANGE Democratic nominee. He and Hillary paved the way for Barack and Michelle. Instead of spewing out all of the Right Wing “hit” material, it would be nice if Obama’s supporters would take a minute to realize that their man is following the Bill Clinton nomination playbook to perfection. God forbid if Michelle Obama should ever want to serve her country should her husband get the privilege to be inaugurated as our Commander in Chief. She’ll be horribly passe.

Posted by: OhioNative | February 15, 2008, 8:09 pm 8:09 pm

I am so disappointed in the Clintons. Are they that desperate that they will sink to these levels? What happened to their love for America?

Posted by: James | February 15, 2008, 8:12 pm 8:12 pm

Sometimes I feel sad for all those passionate women who help bash Hilary relentless for tiny little thing. They first forget there is a best qaulified female candiate in this race who has fought so hard, for all her life for your health care, your children’s benefit, your woman’s right, in a male-dominated politcial arena. You are part of it as a woman! If you cann’t do it, at least be supportive. We need more female politicans so Hill wont feel lonely!

Posted by: suess | February 15, 2008, 8:12 pm 8:12 pm

The Media gets whacked out every time someone says something about Obama … they made him and they won’t let anyone else trash him until it is the right time for them to do it themselves. And they always do!

Posted by: Jackson | February 15, 2008, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm

But you, Bill, are directly responsible for what happened in 2000-20008. Had it not been for your making the WH your personal playhouse, Gore (who should have easily won the election in 2000 d/t the ‘wonderful’ things you did as President) would have easily won and we wouldn’t have had GW for the past 8 years. Just want to give you the credit you are due……

Posted by: what a guy! | February 15, 2008, 8:23 pm 8:23 pm

Obama claims in ads he can change Congress. Funny, I thought the American poeple did that in elections.
I feel we have little Presidental choice, our parties (Dem&Rep) have failed to offer us a decent choice. It’s still the good old boys scratching each other’s backs

Posted by: melissa | February 15, 2008, 8:24 pm 8:24 pm

LOOOOOOOOOOOL at the “Yesterday” line

Posted by: Perry | February 15, 2008, 8:26 pm 8:26 pm

Bill’s comments remind us what Obama keeps telling us–that we have a real choice in this election. It’s a choice b/w a politics of the past where people will do and say anything to get elected and the hope of a future politics based on the issues and visions of society. When the Clinton camp plays the race card, goes against what they agreed to by now insisting that the delegates from Michigan and Florida should count, and belittles Obama by saying “talk is cheap,” this is old way and the only way the Clintons know of competing and winning in the political arena. Is this what we want–again? The practical consideration is that a politics of division and argument keeps legislation from being passed, whereas a Reagan-type broad appeal politics can transform the world–hopefully for progressive values this time instead of conservative ones.

Posted by: Marcus Watson | February 15, 2008, 8:26 pm 8:26 pm

suess: Last I checked we still had House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senator Dianne Feinstein. I would not exactly describe those two as wilting violets! I have not checked for other female members of Congress in either party. And, Secy Rice, whatever is your party affiliation or thoughts on her perormance is another female.

Posted by: tcnz | February 15, 2008, 8:27 pm 8:27 pm

Larry said:
—- I think this Larry Sinclair thing is going to explode in Obama’s face. Just like the Monica and Clinton thing did. NOBODY believed her just like nobody belives larry. I heard his 2 interviews and seen his federal charges against Obama filed on 13 Feb 2008. He is very believalbe —-
Actually I think ppl have grown numb to sex scandals. We are not voting for a saint we are voting for a president who is just a man among us. I think even if it is true it won’t matter, that won’t take away from if he will be a great leader.

Posted by: wow...so sad | February 15, 2008, 8:28 pm 8:28 pm

TO ALL THE BACKGROUND SCRUBBERS WHATEVER MISDEEDS OBAMA MAY HAVE DONE HIS BACKGROUND IS SPOTLESS COMPARED TO HILARY AND BILLS. YOU KNOW IF THEY GET BACK IN OFFICE THERE WILL BE SO MUCH JERRY SPRINGER STUFF GOING ON.

Posted by: daytripper | February 15, 2008, 8:30 pm 8:30 pm

What disturbs me is the staggering level of entitlement that he believes is owed Hillary. Why is Hillary more entitled than Joe Biden, Chris Dodd? She has only served in the Senate 7 years why is she more entitled than them. No one is entitled to the Presidency. John McCain is a war hero, but that does not entitle him to the Presidency. Clinton’s legacy is one of missed opportunities. He spent his whole second term using all his political capital to save himself instead of doing anything for the country.

Posted by: David | February 15, 2008, 8:33 pm 8:33 pm

Bill Clinton was a very good President (falling short of greatness) and the best raw politician since Reagan. So his current proclivity for tin-eared statements really mark a fall from grace that is quite sad and disappointing.

Posted by: Oomingmak | February 15, 2008, 8:33 pm 8:33 pm

It’s all over, except for the crying. That will happen on March 6th.

Posted by: futureshock | February 15, 2008, 8:34 pm 8:34 pm

Suess: I’m Irish- so based on that I should vote for McCain??? No wait, I’m a Mormon–oh, I’m just sick that Romney left the race-now I can’t vote. Oh, but wait, I’m a woman–so I guess I HAVE to vote for Hillary. Actually, I’m a white Catholic Italian man who is voting for Obama because I believe him to be the best candidate. To vote for someone simply because of gender, religion, or race is really quite silly.

Posted by: crazy votes | February 15, 2008, 8:35 pm 8:35 pm

Clinton is right. Obama was not part of what happen in the 90s. He was not part of Monica Lewinsky, he was not part of NAFTA, He was not part of people who were trying to redefine the meaning of “is”. He is not part of the past, he is part of the future, all this election is about.

Posted by: christ F | February 15, 2008, 8:37 pm 8:37 pm

Bill Clinton is the best weapon that the OBAMA team has!

Posted by: Deanna G. | February 15, 2008, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm

Are you guys in the media EVER going to stop writing PRO Obama headlines and ANTI Clinton headlines everwhere you go?
Every day. Hammer the psycological warfare. Every single fact twisted for Obama and against Clinton.
There is no doubt you guys in the media have compeletely overstepped your bounds as journalists, and none of you can ever make the case that you are decent human beings.

Posted by: tom | February 15, 2008, 8:44 pm 8:44 pm

I can’t believe Bill Clinton ever became President the way he’s always twisting words to give them another meaning. This tactic backfired the last time and it’s going going to backfire again this time around.
Go away Clintons! Time to turn the page . . .

Posted by: Sam | February 15, 2008, 8:45 pm 8:45 pm

Please fellow Hillary supporters realize that the GOP are afraid of Hillary they are not of Obama they will vote for Obama in TX because they can to assure themselves the weaker opponent. Kind of like if anyone has ever watched survivor vote the weak ones out at first then keep the weak ones in at the last because you know you can beat them.

Posted by: deni | February 15, 2008, 8:46 pm 8:46 pm

People shouldn’t be suckered into giving Bill any credit for the 90′s economy prosperity, and his policies actually had a lot to do with the financial scandals and the dot-bomb.
1) Bill only “balanced the budget” becasue he had a huge windfall thanks to the tech boom and America’s then fundamentally strong economy. Which his policies considerably weakened. The tech boom had begun in universities, tech labs, and garages, more than a decade earlier in the 70′s. That was largely thanks to America’s post WWII prosperity which created more college grads and leisure time, creating an environment allowing a Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, or Bill Joy, Intel, Xerox, and Bell Labs to be tech innovators.
2) Clinton’s economic policies actually hurt America considerably and were mostly cribbed from Laissez Faire Corporate Republicans and people like Alan Greenspan. By following Reagan’s lead in deregulation of finance and accounting standards, he directly contributed to the inflation of the tech bubble, the housing bubble, and the ability of large financial groups to keep AAA ratings while unloading the garbage onto pensions and mom and pop investors.
3) Clinton’s financial and energy market deregulation directly aided scandals such as ENRON. People forget that ENRON grew thanks to Clinton energy market deregulation, and committed their crimes during his terms. Also, Paul Krugman so-called “liberal” economist was a big Clinton supporter, championed NAFTA and ENRON, who paid him $45K for “consulting.”
4) The man most responsible for both the tech bubble and the housing bubble, Alan Greenspan, the guy who told people to buy ARMs as the housing bubble peaked, the guy who helped popularize Ayn Rand, was apopinted by Reagan, kept through Bush 41, both Clinton terms, and most of Bush 43′s terms.
I could go on for hours about how the Clintons, DLC, Third Way, New Dems, duped Americans into packaging Corporate Laissez Faire economics with social liberal tokenism, just the way Republicans like Reaganm, the Bushs, Neocons, and so on have packaged Corporate Laissez Faire economics with social conservative tokenism.
Lets not even get started on Bill’s deregulating media which led to media consolidation, expansion of the death penalty, failure to do anything substantial on the environment, killing healthcare reform for 16 years, beginning the policy of “extraordinary rendition” in the 90′s, “regime change” policy in Iraq which he just kicked down the road for eight years, and so on.

Posted by: somebody | February 15, 2008, 8:46 pm 8:46 pm

Jake Tapper’s my hero.

Posted by: John | February 15, 2008, 8:47 pm 8:47 pm

Bill, Hilary, Bush and Laura all need to come back to the south, and retire. We miss you down here

Posted by: Real | February 15, 2008, 8:48 pm 8:48 pm

Assailing…is anyone allowed to question or be critical of Obama? This isn’t a campaign–it is a coronation. Candidate and surogates should be allowed to be critical of their opponents in campaigns–and yes that means the Clinton’s too. The republicans will cream Obama if we won’t even allow him to get toughened up. Let’s not forget Gore and Kerry– we need a fighter.

Posted by: Julia Pugh | February 15, 2008, 8:50 pm 8:50 pm

I’m a loyal Democrat, but I’ll vote for John McCain if Hillary wins with super delegates. Bill should stay out of it, he is so nineties!

Posted by: Jim | February 15, 2008, 8:51 pm 8:51 pm

The bottom line in this whole campaign is it goes on much too long- we are paying Clinton, Obama and McCain to be our Senators,. they have a job, they are paid to represent us in DC. Clinton has missed over 160 votes, Obama over 140, and McCain over 200. Wouldn’t you like to be paid that salary and not do the job.
Campaigns should be no longer than 1 year at the max, and we need a national primary.

Posted by: emblem | February 15, 2008, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm

We all know Billy Boy is a pathetic cariature of himself. But make sure you don’t buy any real estate from this guy, particularly if it’s near White Water.

Posted by: Randle Bate | February 15, 2008, 8:57 pm 8:57 pm

Why do so many Obama supporters say to go to his website to find his positions and plans on issues? Somehow he can talk about Hope and Change-but can’t articulate his plans outside of reading it on the website?

Posted by: Democrat08 | February 15, 2008, 8:57 pm 8:57 pm

Sarah, while you’re doubling as Obama’s spokesperson, why don’t you tell us a little more about this “civil rights attorney” who helped a notorious Chicago slumlord starve tenants of heat in their low-income – to the point where the city had to file a lawsuit.
And what about the last four years that Bill Clinton has spent raising hundreds of millions of dollars for tsunami victims, Katrina victims and dozens of African countries. Boy he sounds like a real loser… By contrast, smart handsome Obama has spent the same time period raising millions for himself.
You can have the boy wonder, Sarah. I’ll take Botox Bill any day.

Posted by: Factcheck | February 15, 2008, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm

Bill Clinton’s economic golden years are a myth. He had about as much to do with the prosperity as Al Gore had to do with inventing the internet. Reagan built the defense establishment up and defeated communism. Bill Clinton slashed the defense budget after the cold war and downsized the military. He gutted the defense sector which was coupled with the laissez faire policies that the conservatives originally proposed. It looked good on paper and the results out of Wall Street and the Fed were mostly positive, but there was a hidden cost. Al Qaeda declared war and Bill Clinton did almost nothing, less a couple of Tomohawks that were fired down range to keep the brass over at the Pentagon horny. The deficits went away but Bin Laden didn’t. Obama wants to cut and run from what I can tell. He thinks he can build roads and create Healthcare, plus whatever with the funds from the Pentagon. The only thing that I can say, is at least Bill Clinton waited for the Cold War to be won before he raided the war chest and auctioned off all of our assets. It didn’t help us, but it doesn’t seem like a good policy to slash the defense budget in a time of war to me, but hey that is just me. Regards, Jon

Posted by: BlackwaterJon | February 15, 2008, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm

How sad to see all these nagative comments about Bill Clinton. He was a great American President and he will always be a great President. All elected Presidents are great, that’s why they were elected. How ungrateful are those American citizens.

Posted by: tigerjcs | February 15, 2008, 9:10 pm 9:10 pm

To Michael Deane’s post.
Just so you know, it is a known fact that Obama’s campaign gave the press the information on Norman Hsu. Please don’t let the halo light blind you. BTW, Hillary’s campaign returned all of the money that Norman Hsu contributed. BTW, I think it’s important that while we dialog and keep things accurate, that the importance of nominating a Democrat is not superseded by who the final nominee becomes. There is a huge contrast in policies between whichever Democratic nominee takes on McCain, and unity will be more than a campaign slogan it will be a necessity.

Posted by: OhioNative | February 15, 2008, 9:12 pm 9:12 pm

justsayNOtoHILLARY&BILL!!!

Posted by: FRED | February 15, 2008, 9:12 pm 9:12 pm

“Bill Clinton: Obama ‘Literally Not Part of Any of the Good Things’ From the 1990s”
I think this is code for something like: I guess that rules Obama out of any of the menage a trois action that went on in the White House and maybe the Lincoln Bedroom.

Posted by: BlackwaterJon | February 15, 2008, 9:12 pm 9:12 pm

The bizarre joke is according to Ann Coulter, Hillary is the most conseravtive candidate in the race and Ann is right! Obama and McCain are owned by George Soros. Obama and McCain are mega suck ups to Teddy Kennedy too!
It is a shame that Ron Paul cannot win. He is a million times better than the three of them. I was in a store and 3 older people were talking and they were Democrats and they said the 3 candidates we are stuck with are horrible. Sad but true.

Posted by: Franc | February 15, 2008, 9:12 pm 9:12 pm

I believe there is lots more to know about Obama. He has spent many years it seems quite involved with characters like Rezko. If you bother to check these things out ….you might question few things. I want to know what he plans on changing..how he plans on doing that…and who is gonna pay for it. Is he gonna change light bulbs…diapers? If he thinks the Republicans are gonna sing kumbaya when he is elected ..he is a fool. I want someone in the White House who is a realist. If Senator Obama gets the nomination…I will vote for McCain.

Posted by: anne | February 15, 2008, 9:12 pm 9:12 pm

history always has its revisionists; its just equally appalling and sad that bill clinton is his own revisionist and apologist. you bet the clintons are pissed- barak obama has challenged them in ways unanticipated, tapped into americas disdain and weariness of bill and hillary, and foremost, is a real obstacle to their end run around the constitution. anyone who doubts that the clintons intimidated the democrats into letting hillary run for bills third term only need listen to the vitriol bill is spewing now that their plan has been derailed. the clintons are like roaches; theyre awfully hard to get rid of. but once and for all, they may finally be banished and we can go on with the business at hand. has anyone noticed how many sad and pathetic campaign slogans hillary has trotted out? it aint over yet, but there is a certain desperation in clintonville these days. senator obama knows that the clintons will try to swiftboat him before the republicans, and like many a football season, the playoffs are sometimes tougher than the superbowl. senator obama may slay the dragon yet, but he must be most careful now, as this is when he is most vulnerable. he needs to continue to take the high road, refuse to do more than thrust and parry the negative ads that are coming, and continue to display the honesty, integrity and inspiration we all long for. the clintons may be their own means of their demise yet. hell hath no fury like a clinton scorned. hillary thinks change is the party in power, a policy tweak, maybe a new slogan. thats why she is in trouble. the change we want is fundamental, basic, and attitudinal, and bill and hillary do not represent that at all, no matter how hard they try. ill take my chances with senator obama any day. if i were bill and hillary id stop pressing my luck, because once it runs out, they just might find themselves indicted.

Posted by: jake | February 15, 2008, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm

I recently ran into an African American friend and in the course of our conversation I asked did he think Bill C., or HRC, had played the “race card” He replied, “Are you kidding, Hillary loves him (Obama)” He was beaming when he said it. He knows it’s true … and he made me realize it too. I think she should risk expressing her admiration and fondness for him more often. Her concerns about Obama’s lack of experience, vulnerabilities during the “vetting” process, and lack of experience going up against the Republican attack machine would play better I think. Obama seems great. He is hardly a political outsider nor is he a seasoned player. If only the country were in better shape we could afford to have a young, awe inspiring, brilliant (and flawed — he’s a successful politician for God’s sake), handsome, president jump onto the steep end of the learning curve and trip and fall a lot on his way to mastering the job of leading the USA. Unfortunately we are currently in very dire straights and in need of a well vetted, seasoned, well connected (in national as well as international politics) president. I understand all the Clinton’s comments. The fantasy (fairy tale) that inspired speeches (even genuine one’s) don’t really reflect political realities and that we don’t know what a very vile and merciless attack machine will bring to bear against Senator Obama. Remeber, their attacks don’t have to be true, just well timed.
I am offended by this meme that the press is cultivating of Hillary’s concerns being petty or born of frustration. I’m just glad she is hanging in there. And listen, from a personal perspective I’ve felt let down by both Clinton’s on more than one occasion. Remember “don’t ask don’t tell”? But right now, given the high stakes, I will settle for a president I believe can restore our economy (in time), our moral standing in the world, end this war, improve our disastrous health care situation …
So Hillary thanks for hanging in there. No, you are not, “My girl”, sorry. But I’m pretty sure you are OUR GIRL. You go! And Sen. Barack please hang around. You are a very interesting guy.

Posted by: NursePatric | February 15, 2008, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm

There was a story in the front page of the New York Times today about 2 married Iraq veterans. It’s a must read It made me cry but those tears turned to anger. I cannot vote for a candidate that blindly voted for this war for political ambitions. I believe Sen. Clinton was mapping her road to the White House then and was already courting republican hawks. I cannot vote for Sen. Clinton because her husband lied under oath. Should we forgive Barry Bonds for perjury? I cannot vote for Senator Clinton because she will get nothing done other than pad her bank account. I wish I would have bought some stock in the oil companies 16 years ago. I guess I still could.

Posted by: frank | February 15, 2008, 9:15 pm 9:15 pm

The golden boy turns to rust. Bill its time to go quietly to the nearest 12 step program for former Pres’s. You need help.

Posted by: Siren | February 15, 2008, 9:18 pm 9:18 pm

Dreaming of a balance budget, I still like Bill Clinton for two things during his tenure oil was at record lows, and the budget surplus. But there were many worse things he did which he got impeached for.
As far as Obama he has hope, but there is a lot more problems and hope does not cut it.
Problem with politicians is that they have raise lots of money to win race, and those politicians despite scandal like Obama, and Clinton that still can raise money are probably tainted.
Bush ran America to the ground with his thoughtless one dimension agenda of helping Oil companies, also military intervention to get at oil, other then that he seems like an extremely boyish, inane President who just like giving power to a monkey and the nation down the tubes. The Saudis must have offered him a banana and he went apes.
But the situation we are in requires a lot of thought and introspect, these elections are coming at very bad time the housing market collapse, huge trade deficits , people threatening America and we cant do nothing, like China saying they will dump dollar. Afghanistan is the biggest source of drugs when our military is in control of that country. If America does not become serious and face the situation, the very hard situation, we are in and start working together to solve it, we have plenty enemies outside that are ever willing to see our downfall. Some people say it is already too late, but there is a future, and we must see there is one.

Posted by: Sanseh | February 15, 2008, 9:18 pm 9:18 pm

CANT WAIT FOR THE HILLARY CONCESSION SPEECH!!
When America will know for sure it is finally rid of the Clintons for good, for ever and ever.
Who would have guessed that Bill Clinton would ever return.
Take no chances this time, let’s find his casket and drive that wooden stake through his heart.

Posted by: Rubiconski | February 15, 2008, 9:20 pm 9:20 pm

Obama has more national experience than Lincoln had when he came into office.
Lincoln only served 2 years in congress.
He lost his race in 1858 to Douglas.
Obama has what Bill or Hillary Clinton will never have. Honesty! Hillary campaigned in Forida and Michigan, she told the DNC she would not. Now she wants the votes to count??? ‘Iraq has weapons of Mass destruction.’ ‘I did not have sex with that woman.’ Lets change anew, Barack Obama 2008.

Posted by: chuck H | February 15, 2008, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm

I don’t miss the 90′s at all. Overrated, overhyped decade. It wasn’t THAT great. Britney Spears, Jerry Springer, outsourcing, free trade, NAFTA, welfare reform, continuation of the war on drugs, more death penalty crimes, “Defense” of marriage act, don’t ask, don’t tell.
I have no nostalghia for Clinton at all. I don’t want to go back, I want to go forward.
OBAMA ’08!!!

Posted by: Rubiconski | February 15, 2008, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm

Sounds more like a fact to me !

Posted by: Jamie | February 15, 2008, 9:28 pm 9:28 pm

HRC said Putin did not have a soul; Putin said Hrc did not have a head.
Obama is just talk. We need someone that Putin can respect and thats McCain. I’m not a Republican but I sure am not voting for a crackhead.

Posted by: Charles | February 15, 2008, 9:31 pm 9:31 pm

We are already seeing Obama’s past come back to fuel Republican attacks:
drug use,
deals with contributors to buy a home, earmarks to his wife’s employer and then she gets a raise of 200k,
Obama’s church praising Louis Farakhan,
Obama watering bills down to please his supporters energy suporters,
Obama telling us he is against the Bush energy policy and then he votes for it.
No CHANGE there !

Posted by: Jamie | February 15, 2008, 9:33 pm 9:33 pm

Bill Burton’s response to the original Bill, is hilarious and is one of the best yet.

Posted by: vena | February 15, 2008, 9:33 pm 9:33 pm

It would be laughable were it not so infuriating; the way that every single comment made by Bill Clinton or any Clinton surrogate is dissected, parsed and used to help create the desired air of Hillary Clinton hatred. This campaign has featured Obama himself and his campaign managers essentially mocking and belittling the Clinton Presidency; calling Hillary Clinton “the Senator from Punjab,” and all sort of other critical and insulting remarks, with almost no attention. But let Bill Clinton say anything, and here comes the outrage.
Clinton was not perfect by any means, but he is generally admired and even revered in the rest of the world as the best American leader in forty years. That’s because much of the rest of the world actually appreciates intelligence and diplomacy. In this country we appreciate likeableness, tough talk and inspiring speeches. I wish that more people here and everywhere would actually have a better idea of what it takes to be an effective President. It’s not talking about hope, or being new, or making vague promises about change. It’s about actually understanding the rest of the world, currently and historically. It’s about having the courage to raise the marginal tax rates on the wealthy, and to try to actually bring about national health care. It’s about being willing to fight some battles, even if it costs you in likeability. Hillary Clinton is similarly not perfect, but she’s very smart, very capable, and a lot more appealing than Obama as a potential President. But how often has this country ever made the right choice in an election?

Posted by: Richard | February 15, 2008, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm

Well, we all know what Obama was doing in the 1990′s and it did not involve legal activity, now did it?

Posted by: Stephanie | February 15, 2008, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm

I like President Clinton but his words about Sen. Obama sound like a cry of desperation, that same desperation that he now shares with his wife. It’s true Sen. Obama wasn’t part of the good things that happened in the 1990s, but he may actually be gloating over that fact. Does it really matter? Sen. Obama is about the 21st century, not about the days of MC Hammer, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and 486SX computers. The bridge to the 21st century that President Clinton built is now the one that Sen. Obama is traveling on.

Posted by: Eric | February 15, 2008, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm

The Republicans have NEVER beaten the Clintons in a national campaign. They want Hillary out of the race so they can take apart Obama just like they did Kerry and Gore. They lied about Gore and Kerry. They’ll do the same to Obama. Get ready for President Mac, and an attack on Iran.

Posted by: T Hagan | February 15, 2008, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm

No matter how we don’t like it, it is still roughly 50-50 split, both between dems AND between Dems and Reps.
With all this vicious side taking, you can bet if Hillary wins, Obama’s folks will go to John McCain, and I can tell you from my perspective, in droves, that is going to happen if Obama wins.
The Republicans and that slob Karl Rove have done the perfect one two punch on us idiots. We are now so p!ssed off at each other over the things that are being said, and the way the media is creating a Messiah, that there is NO WAY each of our choices will get the others votes. They will vote AGAINST the democrat just to make sure that democrat doesn’t win.
And that makes Rove, slob gutter tripe that he is, a genius. How sickening. Even I have fallen for it. Even I will more than likely NOT vote for someone that the media paints as a God and the public, who two years ago couldn’t pronounce his name in three tries, thinks is Jesus without the sandals. I am so aggrevated that I will probably support John McCain, just to prevent the candidate I think is a complete phoney, from winning.
And the Clinton haters will vote for McCain just to make sure that beast doesn’t get up on stage, waving in their faces. I understand how you feel, but we are both entrenched. Neither Democrat will win, no matter how much YES WE CAN BS you try and chant.
the YES WE CAN stands for:
Yes, we can – lose the election.

Posted by: 2009 Where Are You? | February 15, 2008, 9:36 pm 9:36 pm

Personally, I same sick of Obama and his false HOPE message. No substance, no specifics, no change.
Would trade him 100 times over to get back to the 1990′s when Americans were truly cared about and problems were solved with action and not empty Obama words.
Yeah, 18 million people without health care. Obama’s newest proposal. Yet, he lies and campaigns that his health care is universal. Lies, Lies, Lies !

Posted by: Steve | February 15, 2008, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm

Campaigning in Tyler and Texarkana, Texas. Bill things must really be bad.
Now I’m a Texan, and I love all our Texas cities, but really Bill are you and Hillary that desperate.
Hillary leaves South Carolina before voting, skips DC and Maryland and Wisconsin. Now she has you campaigning in Tyler and Texarkana, Tx.
Have you been reduced to stumping in the rural areas in hopes of capturing that part of the Obama votes. Now that’s just sad.

Posted by: A Texan | February 15, 2008, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm

As a Democrat, I will vote for McCain as the nominee.
We have had enough of these flakes;
Kennedy, Gore and Kerry.
All empty words and they never won an election for President.

Posted by: Joe | February 15, 2008, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm

And in Los Angeles Superior Court on February 21, 2008. there is going to be yet another lawsuit going back to 2000
campaign financing in the Paul vs Clinton case with a whole list of characters involved. People make mistakes but surely after the first two or three, elected officials would ensure that their staff carefully check up on people and contributions. Paul was already a convicted felon! But, I would not be surprised at a date change. More taxpayer money!

Posted by: tcnz | February 15, 2008, 9:45 pm 9:45 pm

I just don’t get it. The ad the Republicans ran against Harold Ford Jr. where a blonde white woman is talking about how she had met and was talking to the young, unmarried African-American Harold Ford Jr. was clear cut negative campaigning and racist. I am perplexed though how anytime any candidate or their supporter/s question Obama’s actual record in regards to his corporate contributors such as Exelon and JP Morgan Chase; his backing off public financing if he were to get the nomination unlike McCain; his numerous “present” votes and his 6-7 times he just happened to push the wrong button on his votes, according to him, who really believes that?; his statements to the press that had he actually been in the Senate to cast a vote on Iraq at the time that he couldn’t really say how he’d vote; his virtually identical voting record to Clinton’s since actually getting into the Senate on Iraq, with one exception and he was the one who voted pro-Bush; his support of pro-war candidate Joe Lieberman over anti-war Ned Lamont, which of course was the reason according to him that he had stated he didn’t know how he would have voted had he been in the Senate on Iraq because he wanted to make Lieberman feel OK and obviously justify his lack of support for Lamont; how he broke with other Democrats and voted to confirm Condoleeza Rice; his support of the Peru Trade Act, nothing more than an extension of NAFTA; his emphasis on rhetoric and feel-good speeches in comparison to specifics, oh yeah “go to his website” , do that and you’ll see his new economic policy he finally put forth that looks like Clinton’s and so on and so on. Anytime someone brings these questions up it’s negative campaigning or possibly racist. If Clinton owes us an apology on her Iraq vote then we also deserve answers from Obama as to why he was OK with credit card interest rates that could surpass 30% and answers to his voting record on Iraq since he actually did get into the Senate. Oops, I guess I’m being too negative or a racist. Hillary is no better and should have to account for her record but the same applies to Obama. Hope and change, yeah right, it’s the same old crap from the same old political parties in the same old system- and may I say Obama has certainly learned to accomodate and work that system with the best of them. While I can respect the passion and excitement of his supporters their willingness to only expect answers from any candidate but their own is scary.

Posted by: sue | February 15, 2008, 9:45 pm 9:45 pm

Yeah, I wanted to buy this land he’s talking about. But then the bubble bursted and I went to bankruptcy.

Posted by: Patricia A, Brooklyn | February 15, 2008, 9:45 pm 9:45 pm

Eric: Wasn’t Obama smoking pot and drinking a lot booze in the 1990′s? Of course the 90′s were better years than what we have not. And wasn’t Obama an attorney for a crook who is now in prison. I wonder how much money Rezko gave to Obama because Obama certainly didn’t earn 1.5 million as a senator. Why didn’t Obama distance himself from a crook. There may be other factors that we don’t know about or the news media is not talking about it especially MSNBC the station that is promoting Obama.Obama is winning in delegates now but that will change when she wins those major states of TX,OH,PA and maybe Hawaii where he was born. The senator of Hawaii just endorsed Clinton and is campaigning for her via satallite which could bring her a good win there. She has double digits in the three major states that Obama wants desperately but I hope he loses them. He is very argonant and acts like he is already president. Never be overconfident because it can turn back on you.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | February 15, 2008, 9:48 pm 9:48 pm

I assume the land Bill wants to sell Whitewater?
What a tool he is.

Posted by: bbpenney | February 15, 2008, 9:50 pm 9:50 pm

crazy votes: It is not about genger. It is about you can stand up for your genger!

Posted by: suess | February 15, 2008, 9:53 pm 9:53 pm

Right on schedule. And, as predicted.
Thankyou, thankyou Bill Clinton for succumbing to your inner urge. We’ve already seen how that’s worked out for you in: Iowa, South Carolina, Louisiana, and Virgina.
Shall I go on?
Man this was SUCH an easy call as to how the Clintons would deal with the Tuesday massacres along the Potomac.

Posted by: Gregor | February 15, 2008, 9:57 pm 9:57 pm

Simple question for the Clintons of ‘yesteryears’:
WHY WAS AL GORE UNABLE TO SUCCEEDED THE ‘HIGH ACHIEVER’ CLINTON IF HE HAD SUCH A FANTASTIC WHITE HOUSE LEGACY?
After all, Daddy Bush succeeded the so-called ‘conservative’ Reagan; this, even though ‘conservative’ Reagan trashed the US economy, left a humongous national deficit and saddled the American tax payers with hundreds of of billion$ in SAVINGS & LOAN SCANDALS — a ‘supply side’ gift to the wealthy and greedy, including the White Water Clintons!
The fact is that the self-absorbed Clintons debased the Oval Office, undermined their own White House legacy and enable Bush and his Bush-whacking of America!

Posted by: New Yorker | February 15, 2008, 10:00 pm 10:00 pm

I am trying hard to find out as to what are the changes that Obama actually brought while he was serving in Illinois state senate! At least during the Clinton’s presidency America was economically prosperous and he left tons of surplus at the end of his term as an evidence of a measurable change. I decided to support Hillary simply because news/medias are treating Obama like a God and I always remember if it is too good be true, it may not be true at all.

Posted by: Herm | February 15, 2008, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm

Joe,
So you call yourself a Democrat then dub Gore and Kennedy as flakes?? Wow. Doesn’t sound like much of a Democrat to me..
an Obama-Gore ticket, as far fetched as it may be, would be the best thing to have happened to our great U.S of A in quite a longgg time.
P.S: We ‘already’ have a crackhead in office if you know much about history.

Posted by: Timmy | February 15, 2008, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm

It is so refreshing to hear reasoned, sensible and competent voices again speaking on behalf of our government. its been a long time. when bush stole the election in 2000, i knew the republicans had done a good job railroading the Clinton administration and changing public perception with their spew. Now the Clintons are back and better then before. Hillary is positioned very nicely to take back the country. I think you all would benefit by getting used to seeing Bill Clinton acting in the role of surrogate for his wife more often. Thankfully, the democrats have a candidate in Hillary that is in it to win it and knows why she wants the job. Make no mistake. She will fight for this and I, for one, thank her for it.

Posted by: billy j | February 15, 2008, 10:04 pm 10:04 pm

Good grief. I don’t remember a darn thing Bill Clinton did as president in 1990′s that was good. Not one, zero, nada, zip, nope none. He was impeached and disbarred. That is something America did that was good and honorable. The dot.com boom invented itself…not Clinton.
As far as the BAD THINGS THAT WERE STOPPED…what were they? I know some bad things that WEREN’T stopped:
The 1993 World Trade Center bombing
The 1995 Tokyo subway Sarin attack
The 1995 Oklahoma City Bombing
The 1996 Summer Olympics Bombing
The 1996 & 1998 Declaration of War on America by Bin Laden
The 1998 African bombings
The 2000 USS Cole bombing
Bill Clinton even pardoned 16 terrorists with the FALN organization along with numerous other criminals and crooks.
Wow, now I really don’t like going back to the 90′s. Stop trying to make us relive what you consider your glory days.

Posted by: Bad Things in the 90" Not Stopped | February 15, 2008, 10:04 pm 10:04 pm

Can you imagine the happiness that will spread across our land to not having a BUSH or a CLINTON vying for the WHITEHOUSE?? WISCONSIN, OHIO & TEXAS can help all Americans to move this country forward by rejecting THE CLINTON MACHINE in the upcoming rhetoric. DO NOT BE FOOLED by Hillary’s latest populist message. The Clintons are NOT middle class warriors. They are FRAUDS who prey on the MIDDLE CLASS in America.

Posted by: Christopher London | February 15, 2008, 10:08 pm 10:08 pm

Gore/Obama ticket would be unbeatable!!!!! Draft Gore and give the Dems 16 years of White House dominance!!!!!

Posted by: Gore/Obama08 | February 15, 2008, 10:09 pm 10:09 pm

Bill Clinton is grasping at straws and denigrating the image of past presidents everywhere. Even George Bush Sr. did not spin this badly to try and get his son elected. I have far more respect for him now, having seen how the Clintons campaign. Had Hillary done her OWN campaigning, we young women might be trusting her. Instead she changes her slogan routinely, doesn’t find her “voice” until New Hampshire, and has her shrill husband campaigning for her and ruining that same voice with his. GO OBAMA ’08. End the bipartisan gridlock that the Clintons handily fostered during the 1990′s. Time for a total change.

Posted by: dorothy | February 15, 2008, 10:10 pm 10:10 pm

Hillary said words are cheap. I guess the words of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. are cheap. The words of all inspirational leaders are just cheap. The Clintons talk about the great decade of the 90s, but if they were so great how in the hell did we end up with George W. Bush for 8 years. If Bill had spent more time with his wife instead of with Monica, we wouldn’t be here today.

Posted by: NotoClintons | February 15, 2008, 10:11 pm 10:11 pm

Corporate contributions: Many of them are PAC which employees of a corporation make individual donations. HRC PAC contributions exceed those of Barack Obama. I just checked. Corporations themselves have a limit. Some donate to all candidates like AT&T and Time to hedge their bets. As far as bringing up shady characters one might be wise before throwing out names since that kind of politicing can boomerang big time! The Paul case I previously posted is a matter of $1 million plus. The Clintons were/are able to pay their mortgage because they had a structure built on their property for which the Secret Service is paying a rent of $10,000 a month while we pay the agents’ salaries. Nice arrangement. Yes, all former presidents and first ladies have secret service for life, until current Pres. Bush when it is reduced to 10 years from thereon out.

Posted by: tcnz | February 15, 2008, 10:11 pm 10:11 pm

CHEAP TALK is hard to buy.
So while Hillarity is denouncing Barack as all talk and cheap talk, is she doing this through a different orifice?
So when no one buys her brand of talk, does it somehow become prohibitively expensive? Emphatic yes. I say her talk has been judged overrated and her actions definitely underwhelming. See Healthcare 1.0
Also she says she is ready from day one to run a nation when her microcosm campaign is a shop of errors?
Who is still listening her vitriol?

Posted by: Charles | February 15, 2008, 10:12 pm 10:12 pm

IMAGINE..
imagine no Bush or Clinton
its easy if you try
no drama or corruption
above us only sky….

Posted by: Christopher London | February 15, 2008, 10:12 pm 10:12 pm

I can’t believe some of you guys are still talking about this Rezko thing. A small honest mistake(as per his admission) is NOTHING compared to a huge crime such as that of misleading a whole NATION into sending its innocent sons and daughters into a war that should NEVER have been authorized from the start. Personally speaking, the judgment and courage of Obama to come up and speak against the war when it was all so popular outweighs any minor lapses of judgment that do not affect the lives and souls of thousands, if not millions.

Posted by: Tim | February 15, 2008, 10:13 pm 10:13 pm

this whole bush/clinton, bush/clinton argument is baseless! the second bush should have never become president twice and has made a total mess of this country. why make an issue with another clinton when she will probably be better then her husband (and no doubt better prepared than obama or mccain)to restore credibility at home and abroad and set this nation in the right direction?

Posted by: billy j | February 15, 2008, 10:14 pm 10:14 pm

bush/cheney=corruption, are you kidding me?

Posted by: billy j roderick | February 15, 2008, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm

It just amazes me how narrow people’s thought process is…there are people talking about who did what in the 1990s, as if any of that really matters. We should be looking toward future endeavors for this country. This is exactly why we as a country has not progress because we keep looking back to the “remember when”. People stop talking nonsense – even the terrorist who want to cause us harm is thinking more about the future than us. Try elevating the conversation to something more productive. I think this is the very reason so many people are gravitating toward Obama because he seems to have found a way to elevate the conversation to something more positive. I get so sick and tired of the negative B.S.

Posted by: kc | February 15, 2008, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm

Is this the best the Obamabots can come up with today? Gotta get more hate going you guys. Come on, you gotta try harder. Bill speaks and the Obamabots have a heart attack. Do it again Bill because half the God worshiping Obamabots are still left standing. Personally speaking I think Obama aught to come out of the closet. Maybe not enough crack today? Hey, which volume are we on in the “Kill Bill” serial now?

Posted by: Mike | February 15, 2008, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm

ssmolly: Yes, you did miss something. Barack Obama was elected three times to the Illionois State Legislature before he ran for US Senate and then resigned his State Senate position. The information is easily found on official sites.

Posted by: tcnz | February 15, 2008, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm

SENATOR OBAMA IS SO AFRAID TO HAVE A DEBATE WITH SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON?
ONE HE HAS NOTHING TO LOSE FOR HE IS AHEAD WITH DELEGATES PLUS OBVIOUSLY THE MEDIA IS BACKING HIM UP AND A LOT OF PEOPLE NOTICE THAT. DEBATE IS INTEGRAL PART OF THE ELECTION PROCESS AND IS ONE WAY TO GAUGE IF THIS CANDIDATE HAS A LEADERSHIP, ELECTABILTIY AND QUALITY TO BE A PRESIDENT OR JUST BLUFFING!
HERE’S MY LOGICAL REASON:
I BELIEVE HE DOESN’T WANT THE VOTERS TO FIND OUT OF HIS WEAK POINT – THAT MIGHT SURFACE IN A DEBATE. ALL HE WANTS IS TO GIVE BEAUTIFUL SPEECHES – THAT IS NOT ENOUGH THAT WON’T SOLVE OUR COUNTRY PROBLEMS. HE HAS NO SPECIFIC AGENDA OR PLAN WHAT HE NEED TO DO WHEN HE BECOME A PRESIDENT – HIS PLAN IS SPECIFIC, VAGUE AND VERY TRANSPARENT IN SHORT NO SUBSTANCE. I STRONGLY BELIEVE HIS GOAL IS MAINLY FOR RECOGNITION TO BE THE FIRST BLACK AMERICAN PRESIDENT TO BE ELECTED AND I HOPE VOTERS ARE PICKING THIS UP. WE NEED A TESTED AND EXPERIENCE LEADER TO RUN OUR COUNTRY IN DAY ONE. SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON IS A GOOD CHOICE FOR SHE OFFERS SOLUTION VS SENATOR OBAMA ONLY GIVES SPEECHES WITHOUT SUBSTANCE. VOTERS MAKE A COUNSCIOUS DECISION WHO IS THE BEST PERSON THAT WILL LEAD OUR COUNTRY IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION – JUST DON’T GO WITH THE FLOW ON WHAT THE MEDIA IS FEEDING YOU. I KNOW A LOT OF VOTERS NOTICE THAT OBAMA IS THE DARLING OF THE MEDIA. THERE’S A LOT AT STAKES HERE IF WE MAKE ANOTHER MISTAKE IN ELECTING A WRONG PRESIDENT AGAIN! NOR AMERICA CANNOT AFFORD TO ELECT AN ON THE JOB TRAINING PRESIDENT! YOU MIGHT HAVE ALL THE BEST ADVISOR IN AMERICA BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY THE PRESIDENT IS THE ONE WHO IS MAKING DECISIONS. PLEASE THINK HARD VOTERS AND VOTE WISELY AND PRUDENTLY AND THINK WHAT IS BEST FOR OUR COUNTRY. DON’T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ OR HEAR AND DON’T BELIEVE ON POLLSTERS, PUNDITS, SPIN DOCTORS, NATIONAL MEDIA MANIPULATION, UNION, POLITICIAN AND CELEBRITY ENDORSERS. VOTERS YOU ARE THE DECIDING FACTOR – DON’T LET ANYONE TAKE THAT AWAY FROM YOU – IT’S ALL IN YOUR HANDS NOW ON WHAT DIRECTION WE WANT OUR COUNTRY TO GO. God Bless America!

Posted by: Sam Lim | February 15, 2008, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm

I can name you one thing Bill Clinton did when he was in Office. He turned the other way when the people of Rawanda were being slaughtered. Too busy chasing the skirts in the White house to concern himself with that.

Posted by: NotoClintons | February 15, 2008, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm

I have systematically deposited every last ounce of respect that I had for the Clintons squarely in the trash bin. These people care about nothing but their image and their unyielding quest for power. The Clinton legacy for the Democrats is one of losing 12 governors, 7 senators, and 46 congressman, and is not something we should even contemplate reverting to. The time has come to turn the page on the Bush/Clinton era of shame and humiliation.

Posted by: Edith Jefferies | February 15, 2008, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm

WestCoastMessenger: Try the official Illinois State Legislature site. At least you cannot deny he got elected under his own name instead of spousal name recognition!

Posted by: tcnz | February 15, 2008, 10:21 pm 10:21 pm

I wonder why wouldn’t Clinton release her tax returns to show who has been financing her?? Obama’s already done so. Talk about a difference in transparency!
There have been already 18 debates that took place, with 2 more coming in the next month. And then the Clintons come out to say Obama is afraid to debate? Talk about not finding anything else to criticize the guy on lol.

Posted by: Tina | February 15, 2008, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm

By the way, the rest of the myth about Clinton’s Golden years of economic prosperity is not evident until President Bush came into office and we heard the giant sucking sound from India from all the outsourcing through the fiber optic cables that President Clinton let them build. There was no debate because Bill was busy with Monica in the Library. Some guardian of our jobs. It was supposedly free trade and we were supposed to cash in on the benefits from free trade. Nada. Virtual factor mobility in labor is not free trade. It is more like President Clinton let millions into the country via circuits to do our jobs without any kind of debate. The economic good times are evident in Bangalore, but not here. Again these are lag ramifications from his haphazard economic policies. Of course, y’all think we are too dumb to be able to convey something like lag ramifications to the electorate. Good luck. The way I see it Clinton was slick and he did more harm than good to the economy and Obama’s plan is to try to duplicate Clinton’s plan. Good luck selling that lame dog to the public. McCain is our only hope at this point. Jon

Posted by: BlackwaterJon | February 15, 2008, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm

Obama should be glad he missed
‘I DID NOT HAVE SEX WITH THAT WOMAN”
PAULA JONES, IMPEACHMENT TRIAL
The Death of Vince Foster, The BIMBO ERUPTION….. TRAVEL GATE, WHITE WATER. I wish I could have missed it
BILL, HILLARY, JOHN McCAIN AND BUSH and their WAR have ruined our Country.
As Bill Clinton’s Vote for NAFTA has ruined our Economy.
Hillary’s “Experience” is Bill’s Legacy …
NAFTA, Welfare Reform, (GATT94)WTO, Telecommunications Act of 1996, Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act ..
These were the achievements of the Clinton Presidency … She can’t say she has “Experience” and say she didn’t support any of the efforts that defined Bill’s Presidency …
If she supported them, it shows poor judgment on her part … if she was against them, it shows that she didn’t have influence with her husband regarding her disagreements with these issues …
So what is it? Poor Judgment or inability to influence people to accept her position?
Either way, those traits do not benefit the United States if they are displayed by the President
NAFTA signed into law by President Bill Clinton. [12/08/93]. They were Co-Presidents then, of course she supported it.
They are trying to revise History because Bill Clinton signing that NAFTA Bill has caused America’s economy to be in the horrible condition it is in.
Of Course Hillary now has to distance herself from the truth as always. Her Vote for the Iraq War was WRONG on DAY 1
Her Solutions CAN NOT fix the MESS SHE and HER HUSBAND have created.
We have SPENT BILLIONS AND BILLIONS on her WAR Vote, we have lost our young women and men in this War as well as hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives.
Our Infrastructure is crumbling and we borrow from China, but yet her VOTE FOR WAR has nothing to DO with our poor economy.
Hillary and McCain are one in the same, of course they are BEST FRIENDS BFF.
Hillary like Bush, cannot admit when WRONG!!!
But she has the SOLUTION to the MESS she and her President Husband has created.
What is so amazing they think they can fool the American People
Clintons’ Terror Pardons
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120277819085260827.html?mod=loomia&loomia_si=t0:a16:g2:r1:c0.128055
Obama need to read TNR TALKBACK
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aaad0724-dd13-4ffa-810b-d5d3220ff055

Posted by: Patricia | February 15, 2008, 10:25 pm 10:25 pm

tcnz,
thanks for the info…I didn’t want to waste my time researching the guy :)

Posted by: ssmolly | February 15, 2008, 10:25 pm 10:25 pm

Jake sounds like another Obama bandwagon man, cant’ say anything good about the Clintons and cant’ say anything bad about the empty rhetoric Obama….Be careful of what you hope for with this guy from Illinois.

Posted by: Steve | February 15, 2008, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm

Exactly, Mike. The Obambots have nothing left but hate. Well, so much for the unity thing. Not much hope here either. And if the Obamabots have no hope why should I believe anything that Obama claims? His own supporters don’t believe a word he utters, so why should the rest of us?

Posted by: Wil | February 15, 2008, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm

OK, let me get this straight…Bill Clinton was “talking” about Obama? This was not a “SPEECH.” (Those have been banned.) “If I’m not good at it then you can’t do it!!!!
Let us not forget…what SOLUTION (today’s current buzz word) did Bill offer in that ramble, not speech.
When they can’t come up with anymore daily slogans and just stick out their tongues…then will they just grow up?

Posted by: JB | February 15, 2008, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm

THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE WHO YOU ARE ELECTING: ON REZKO CONNECTION THIS IS NOT BEING PLAYED SO MUCH IN THE MEDIA.
Two years ago, Obama bought a mansion on the South Side, in the Kenwood neighborhood, from a doctor. On the same day, Rezko’s wife, Rita Rezko, bought the vacant lot next door from the same seller. The doctor had listed the properties for sale together. He sold the house to Obama for $300,000 below the asking price. The doctor got his asking price on the lot from Rezko’s wife.
Last year, Rita Rezko sold a strip of that vacant lot to Obama for $104,500 — a deal Obama later apologized for, acknowledging that people might think he got a favor from Rezko. Obama called the episode “boneheaded” and a “mistake.”
DOES AMERICA IS READY FOR A PRESIDENT WHO IS FROM OBAMA WORDS: ________________AND ______________.(FILL IN THE BLANK.)

Posted by: Sam Lim | February 15, 2008, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm

Here is Obama a virtual unknown by most standing toe to toe with the mighty Clintons. Hillary was suppose to be the inevitable candidate, but she is losing to Obama somehow. Her campaine is running out of money, but she has the experience. She can turn the economy around, but doesn’t know where the money from her campaine got spent. She has all the answers but somehow thought she would be the nominee at the end of Super Tuesday. I think she used the same judgement to authorize Bush to go fight his war.

Posted by: NotoClintons | February 15, 2008, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm

President Bill, your comments are well taken. B. Hussein Obama has the experience of Rezko land deals, he has the experience of being snow blind, and he has the experience Sinclair love.
And,now, the Obamites will get the chance to try to defend the sordid past of the Muslim/Christian/Black/White/whatever he wants to portray himself as today candidate.
No wonder the Republicans are voting for Obama in Democratic primaries and caucuses. They know who they can beat in November.

Posted by: Ken | February 15, 2008, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm

You people are really ridiculous to suggest in the current housing market that someone could purchase a house priced over a million dollars for $300,000 dollars less than the asking price(not below the market value.)I live in Chicago and we are tired of hearing this bull. The Chicago papers have reported on this and have already considered this a non-issue. It seems utterly ironic for someone who suports Hillary to even let the word of scandal drip from their lips. (Let’s keep mum on the scandals in effort to aviod a pandora’s box being opened for the Clintons!)

Posted by: Urania Smith | February 15, 2008, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm

I can only hope the trial of Resko will bring out all the facts and Obama’s part in these illegal activities. There is noted in the charges a politian, name withheld, that may be part of the proceedings. The name is, the man of “change” himself, Barrack Hussein Obama. As the saying goes, birds of a feather, flock together. This will make carl rove a happy man…

Posted by: sean | February 15, 2008, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm

I dont hear that name OBAMA before until this primary election, why should we give our vote to him. We are registered democrat but if that media man OBAMA get nominee. We would vote for mccain, we dont have any childrens to inhirit the iraq war so who cares for so called OBAMA! I do not believe in his speeches thats he has a full of speeches sounded like he won already the presidency shame on you… NO NO NO TO OBAMA! you dont deserve our vote!

Posted by: rose | February 15, 2008, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm

How is all this talk about who did what in the 90s going to help our children’s future? Politics just bring out the worse parts of people. It is these kinds of conversations that keeps many people away from the process. Grow up people, nobody really gives a crap aboout who Bill screwed, what Obama smoked and how much of a lap dog Hillary is of Bill Clinton. How about discussing the issues? This is such a childish messageboard. I will send my 8 year old back here to talk with you people!

Posted by: kerrie | February 15, 2008, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm

Hillary is running on Bill’s record and we’ll end up with more of the same if she becomes president, never ending lies, manipulation, dishonesty, scandals (sexual and otherwise), corruption and the list goes on. Thanks but no thanks.

Posted by: HomeRun | February 15, 2008, 10:40 pm 10:40 pm

OBAMA suporters are so afraid. GO bill bring it more about OBAMA, because thats he has is a full of speeches!!!

Posted by: ricca | February 15, 2008, 10:41 pm 10:41 pm

Obama gave a speech saying he would accept public financing if his republican rival would agree, well John McCain called his bluff. This is gonna be fun watching Obama slime his way out of his own commitment. But McCain knew he was an empty shirt before he called Obama out knowing full well Obama never meant a single word he said. Read it for yourself if you don’t believe. Just another inexperienced move by an inexperienced fellow. Obama made his bed now wallow in it buddy.

Posted by: Mike | February 15, 2008, 10:41 pm 10:41 pm

Obama stole his stump speech from Bob the Builder, what could be worse than that?

Posted by: Ann McMillan | February 15, 2008, 10:42 pm 10:42 pm

It would be pretty noble of Hillary to release her income tax returns. The Clinton’s are as merky as the swamps they swim in. Remember Hillary supporters she has 35 years of experience…if she was so innocent and trustworthy, Washington would have long eat her alive – She just became corrupt like the rest of them! I would love to see a woman in office – just not this man & woman!

Posted by: tim | February 15, 2008, 10:46 pm 10:46 pm

Hill may now have regretted how much she miscalculated where her lack of experience is causing her disastrous campaign strategy turning into tragedy by abandoning almost all caucus battles. Thus she has no one to blame for her “stragedy” that sees her now behind in delegate count. By that measure alone, Hill is not as smart as most people ascribe her to be. She is just a mere robot who listen to advice of her paid sycophants. Barack is definitely right to call her judgment into question and this mistake is causing her so much grief now. With this bad experience, she can no longer peddle her Fairy Tale of “35 years” experience, as she will surely regret it when pointed out by never learning anything from her “35 years experience”. Neither can she continue to peddle that she is a
provider of solutions as she will be haunted by her own words.
Hill maybe into going into the path for another “Stragedy” as she pursue
very hard for the Latino votes and forgets the others. While the Lation votes in Texas may constitute around 25%, what is she doing to the other 75% of voters. This is a huge mistake of her campaign, to keep focusing on a
significant but minor portion of the voters. Barack is leaving no one behind in this campaign sorties and that is how he built up his winning record. Obviously, Hill has only the big Fairy Tale of experience under her belt and nothing more! This makes her the real Talker and not the Doer, the one with the wrong experience too.
Hill have been changing words of her old campaign message and will remain
ineffective as her old persona. Let me try to recall them, Experience to Doer
to Vetted to Tested to with Solution now. Did I missed anything ? All these are just words also as she tried to dismiss Barack’s slogan of Change and Hope as only words that won’t provide food on table. If that is really what she believes, why then does she keep on changing her words ? Is her mind really
functioning properly and that all screws are in place ?
As parting shot to Bill, believing in Fairy Tale do have positive outcome and who is now living in the Fairy Tale of regrets ?

Posted by: wilson | February 15, 2008, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm

cmb: As a soon to be retiree, I know that social security and a few other so-called Trust Accounts that are just bookkeeping are stuffed full of IOU’s from Bill Clinton to balance his budget and show a surplus. Pres. Bush has continued the same practice so they have all had sticky fingers into it! I worry about the social security account believe me. In 2014 less SS revenue starts coming in than has to be paid out and those IOU’s have to be paid back by the Treasury Bonds. The 2030 or 2040 date that some of you may have read about is when there are no more IOU’s to make up the difference. Now I really must get a rest. I live in Texas and we prepare for the campaigning onslaught. Hillary Clinton has been in the Valley and El Paso, both Hispanic areas. She was here in San Antonio on the 13th and attracted four thousand at St. Mary’s University. Only another Texan would understand that we also have an ongoing Cattle/Stock Show and a Rodeo from Jan 31-Feb 17! Any candidate has to battle against that!

Posted by: tcnz | February 15, 2008, 10:49 pm 10:49 pm

Can someone please lay out Hillary Clinton’s “35 years of experience” excluding her First Lady stints being married to the person who was actually elected to be the Executive? Remember, Obama has more legislative experience than her, so there must be something I’m missing.

Posted by: Kevin | February 15, 2008, 10:51 pm 10:51 pm

Hillary should show her tax record after Resko talks about the Obama slumlord sweetheart deal. And mark my words, rich guys like Resko don’t like jail and he’ll squeal Obama out like a crack head looking for the next fix.

Posted by: Wil | February 15, 2008, 10:52 pm 10:52 pm

Every time bill spouts off, he puts his foot in Hillary’s mouth.

Posted by: Michaelspars | February 15, 2008, 10:52 pm 10:52 pm

OBAMA thats all he has is a full of speeches. Nothing to convience me, nothing to get my vote, I’d prefered to have a white house, JUST SAY NO TO OBAMA!

Posted by: riley | February 15, 2008, 10:54 pm 10:54 pm

Down with the devil Clinton–both of them. He should be in prison and she should be waiting to see him in the visiting room, or else writing him letters from the women’s penitentiary. Even for the most corrupt couple in the history of US politics to HINT at corruption in Obama’s life is desperate stupidity elevated to the level of pure insanity. Clintons, you have EVERYTHING to lose by making character and integrity a campaign issue!

Posted by: Enemy of Crime | February 15, 2008, 10:54 pm 10:54 pm

Here’s the kicker: Most of the “participation” in the caucuses and primaries this year have been by people who don’t normally participate. You know the type. They whine about everything, but they don’t even normally vote.
So, the rest of the electorate (the majority) is just sitting back and watching the minority circus and laughing at the B. Hussein Obama gibberish.
As a life long Democrat, I am familiar with the party’s short memory, so let’s take a step back a bit farther than the 90′s.
Any of you remember a candidate named McGovern? How about Carter? Then, there was Mondale. Get the picture?
History does repeat itself. If B. Hussein Obama slithers into the nomination, the lessons of history will become clear to the Democratic Party, but it will be a little bit late.
And, if B. H. O. is the nominee, this is one of many Democrats that will cross over to vote for a Republican Presidential Candidate for the first time in their lives.

Posted by: Ken | February 15, 2008, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm

Obama knows exactly what he is doing. He is being use or also being paid by the system to creat this problem that he is causing in the Democratic party.
He & his Obama Stormers are getting up huge amounts of votes that will go to MCcain or whomever will be the Republican candidate. Everyone is happy on the News stations that would otherwise be very upset if they knew for sure that any Black man period could win this presidental race for the WHite House. Obama should be ashame of himself. But after all we’re dealing with an so called Ex-drug user.He is not to be trusted!

Posted by: Martha | February 15, 2008, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm

I can’t imagine that some people’s sense of reasoning is seared with myopia. How can America forget that Bill Clinton brought one of the worst disgrace to the office of the presidency in this country. Hillary boasts of being tested… How? By surviving the myriad of scandals and moral shortcomings of her husband?? Hilly’s experience should not be confused with Bill’s. Hillary has no executive experience. She has always been a help mate or a supporter or critic to policy makers.
As for her longing for debates, she is using that to make up for her weak financial position to get attention. She has whole lots of weak points: a flipflopper (voted for the war and now against it), has no clear healthcare plan that is pragmatic, uses self-pitty to win votes, etc, etc… And now they are playing the race card which will surely backfire on them. Progressive Americans have transcended the 60′s.

Posted by: John Kanu | February 15, 2008, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm

Sure there is feedom of the press, but this is creepy. We need a candidate that can be addressed. The medias love affair is clearly not seeing that there is LARGE part of AMERICA that wants HILLARY CLINTON as President – she can be addressed. When anyone says something about Obama, the media or Obamas people disable them. Not a good sign.
Old leaders are awsome. They have experience and knowledge. America has some great points, many good ones NOW and even more great ones in the 90′s. Other nations liked Bill Clinton. I traveled in the 90′s and we were admired.
If we can’t address the candidate now, we clearly wont be able to address him as President. What will America be like then? He turned the flag into an “o” Plus all this talk about Old. This seems very disrespectful.This is not a good message for our young people. We need our experienced people. When your 60 you have to leave politics? People get smarter as they get older. This new YOUNG thing is rude and wrong. I’m only in my 40′s but I take offence to this. Old people are smart, most are smarter than 30 and 40 and 50 year olds. We need our elders to help guide us. No way is it time to put someone out to pasture because they are around 60.

Posted by: Freedom to address the candidate. | February 15, 2008, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm

This will be the bitter end of the Clintons. Just follow the money and you will understand. There is no way the democratic party will say no to Obama after the amount of money he has raised. He has raised almost 3 times the money as she has. Are you telling me the Dems are going to turn their backs on that.

Posted by: NotoClintons | February 15, 2008, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm

Since Bush, the telecom companies have merged together, oil companies have merged. The so-called CLECs have gone away.
The once competitive and dynamic hi-tech IT industry has come to a lackluster state.
Is this a coincidence?
Let’s put Hillarry back into the White House!

Posted by: Street Joe | February 15, 2008, 11:03 pm 11:03 pm

Attention Delegates/Super Delegates, if for some reason ya dont vote for the will of the people which is for Obama, all he has to do is run as a independent.and his supporters will pay for his campaign and he will WIN!

Posted by: Demo Rules | February 15, 2008, 11:04 pm 11:04 pm

Obama is the biggest security risk that this country has ever seen. If he will do what he is doing to his own Democratic party, then just think what that he will do to the USA, the entire Nation and the whole World. MCcain however is a big flip flopper. Maybe we’ll come up with a strong impressive third party candidate before this all finally goes down.

Posted by: Shirley | February 15, 2008, 11:20 pm 11:20 pm

Honestly, I dont know who to vote for. I dont want Hillary, if she can cry like that when someone says something about America she is not emotionaly fit to be president. Hello, we are America and no one likes us get use to it. And Obama? I will not vote for someone who does not salute the American flag. So I would vote for Scooby Doo before I voted for either one of them.

Posted by: amanda | February 15, 2008, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm

Time to boot Obama and the Clintons and get Al Gore. These two are acting like children. If this continues McCain will become President.

Posted by: Dave | February 15, 2008, 11:24 pm 11:24 pm

Actually I was at the Tyler rally today, and what you are reporting is not how the statement was made or received. Your reporter is taken this quote out of its context and tone, and implying something that anyone present knows was not his intention, nor how it was received by the crowd. This is the media creating a story where one does not exist.

Posted by: Brandon P | February 15, 2008, 11:24 pm 11:24 pm

I actually had the privileged to be at the rally in Tyler and what Bill said was very insightful and made alot of sense it wasnt necessarily derogatory to Mr. Obama he was just stating facts. Not to mention that it seems like the writer is biased against Bill and the Clinton’s anyway.

Posted by: Katie | February 15, 2008, 11:25 pm 11:25 pm

Obama is a special gift to our world. Hillary is impressive and deserves respect, but if elected, I believe that one day our children will speak of Obama the way we speak of FDR, JFK, Lincoln,Churchill, King, Mandella,Martin Luther,John Calvin and other great leaders and Reformers. He has a towering leadership competency like these great leaders of the past. He is also a very fast learner, and will grow into his new role. Hillary is not ready on day one. She has no executive experience, and even if she had Mitt Romney’s executive experience, she would not be fully knowledgeable of the current needs of the job. It is a ridiculous statement and what is most important is the ability to listen and the ability to learn. McCain has done everything that this country has asked him to do, and his party rejects him. If he can’t unite his own party, what are the prospects that he can unite the country. The decision is clear.
Obama’s unique background and even his name will give him credibility in places where previous Presidents have failed, and where Hillary would probably not succeed. Both at home and abroad. The world watches US news, and they know who voted to preemptively destroy a sovereign nation-to arrest one bad guy. Clinton and McCain are permanently handicapped in any negotiation. They are also tied to Bush’s Iran strategy, and will not effectively be able to negotiate. Obama is right to negotiate with our enemies, and his beliefs are more in line with great leaders from the past. Look at our relationship with China and Russia. Bush’s policy would never have yielded this kind of partnership.
Domestically, Barack understands the lifestyle in Hawaii, and the importance of tourism and the Asian community. He understands unions and Blacks and Hispanics due to his work in Chicago. He would also have a good understanding of Commodities markets and other local interest in Chicago. He understands heartland values from his ties in Kansas. He understands the Northeast, as he was educated at Harvard and Columbia. He also understands CA from his first years in college. He understands Muslims, and also understands Catholics and Protestants. He understands the rich, poor and the middle class. He is a Constitutional expert. Woe is us if we reject God’s unique gift to our country. At such a dark time, God has sent the light.

Posted by: joey | February 15, 2008, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm

In contrast to your wife who has never been good for anything.

Posted by: Patriot2008 | February 15, 2008, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm

If Hillary was not running for president…Bill Clinton would endorse Barack Obama. Its a shame the two best democrats (Bill and Barack) have to go against each other.

Posted by: Kevin | February 15, 2008, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm

Comment to someone who said something about Bill and Bush and the sticky fingetrs. Well, I know Bush did help the vets get help with health care because my greatgrandmother recieved tricare again after he got into office. He did help the elderly with that I really liked that because the elderly need it.

Posted by: amanda | February 15, 2008, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm

People! Why are you fighting? If McCain gets in the White House, WE WILL HAVE A DRAFT! I know that those of you that are TOO OLD to go to war don’t really care, but those of us who are less then 41 years old, care. I don’t want to watch my sons DIE FOR OIL! I don’t need a medal to belong to that group. If you want to keep AMERICA safe, then, install troops along the borders and scatter them throughout the continent (while not putting martial law into place). Keep our money in AMERICA and we won’t have to worry about a recession because we are giving taxpayers dollars to every country who are taking the money and ignoring our cause – TO KEEP AMERICA SAFE.

Posted by: ms katty | February 15, 2008, 11:36 pm 11:36 pm

I actually think he keeps opening his big mouth so Hillary won’t win. If Hillary is president, his ego won’t be able to handle anyone saying Hillary is doing a better job than he did!

Posted by: Bel | February 15, 2008, 11:38 pm 11:38 pm

Well you know the pot-bots are out tonight when they start reading into Jake’s article and inventing media conspiracies against their own very liberal candidates every time they deviate from the script that the Clintons send out to the media (used loosely and excluding Rupert’s boys). One very republican fellow is laughing right now. Regards, Jon

Posted by: BlackwaterJon | February 15, 2008, 11:38 pm 11:38 pm

President Bill is right the 1990′s were great! We found ourselves after the national economic diep – point of the late 1980′s. Bill’s experience made it all work. Thank God for him.
Experience does matter, look what our current President has done for us over these last seven plus years. Did his lack of experience during his first year – do us any good?
I do not believe that organizing a good campaign equals the right kind of experience needed by our nation at this moment in time.
I applaud all those who help our inner-city youth. But really – is that what the nation ( not just the inner-cities) needs at this time.
We are a can do nation and proud nation – not a lets hope (for the best) group of people.

Posted by: f.francis | February 15, 2008, 11:38 pm 11:38 pm

OBAMA, nor CLINTON are both a loser here. So many peoples just voted for the flaw, they didnt look at the issue their voted for the charming, looks, speeches and ect. No wonder mccain will win this race, if OBAMA get the nominee we as a whole family will vote for mccain. We dont have any childrens to inhirit this so called WAR in IRAQ, I dont really want mccain there because I am an anti WAR!

Posted by: riley | February 15, 2008, 11:39 pm 11:39 pm

I have mostly voted republican, I wanted to vote democratic this time but cannot because of the poor offerings by the democratic party.
Maybe next time?

Posted by: jonjon | February 15, 2008, 11:39 pm 11:39 pm

I’ll give him credit (Obama) .. he’s an eloquent orator and that’s exactly what got Bill elected – what bothers me is that’s what people fall for!! Don’t tell me “go to his web site” to learn what he stands for – tell me!! I’ve watched the debates and still don’t know a thing about him!! What he stands for – well, besides “hope” and “change” .. he better keep on policy and drop that OR he’ll lose – trust me!

Posted by: Bruce | February 15, 2008, 11:40 pm 11:40 pm

Clinton is accurately stating that political fights will break out in any administration. It comes with the territory. Obama enthusiasts are of the mistaken opinion that their leader is so powerful he can wave a magic wand and everybody will come together in harmony…pipe dreams!!!

Posted by: Two-cats | February 15, 2008, 11:43 pm 11:43 pm

From Dave:
“Honestly, I dont know who to vote for. I dont want Hillary, if she can cry like that when someone says something about America she is not emotionaly fit to be president.”
So are you saying that a president should be made of iron? We are all human beings, we all get emotional from time to time. As long as it is genuine, and not like cry over everything. Clinton’s emotions in couple of occasions were absolutely normal and understandable. I would do the same if I were in her position. I bet those who complained about her “tearing up” must be quite young and have no children.

Posted by: snakebaby | February 15, 2008, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm

Let’s get this one over, once and for all. We, and I mean, US, can’t survive another four or eight years of a divisive Presidency. It doesn’t matter one whit whether Hillary is “brilliant” (per Bill) or “ready.” The fact is that there is a major insurgency sharpening their knives to cause more self destruction, who will stop at nothing to see her fail, even if it takes the shi[ down. Sorry Hill, but I would advise anyone, of any political persuasion, to vote for any other candidate.

Posted by: charles | February 15, 2008, 11:47 pm 11:47 pm

Thanks Bill. Lest we forget some good things from the 90s:
1. NAFTA
2. “Triangulation”
3. Impeachment
4. Newt G. and the Republican takeover
5. Failed universal health care from the first Lady
6. Massive dot com stock market bubble
Do you really want to see this guy on TV everyday for the next 8 years?

Posted by: mcg | February 15, 2008, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm

no worried will never vote to OBAMA. Well movin out to philippines, OBAMA dont deserve our vote, i dont hear about him, i dont know whos that is, I heard OBAMAS name when this primary election. All i know is HILLARY CLINTON a very popular woman in the USA!!! HILLARY youll deserve our vote!!!

Posted by: riley | February 15, 2008, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm

As a democrat and a hispanic, I disagree with mr.joey and his comment about Obama “sent from God” and
“understanding hispanics”. Well, Mr. Joey, hispanics received more economical help from the Clinton’s than from Obama or any other African-American leader in the history of the U.S.A. and Hillary has 8 years of true White House experience to lead our nation. Can we say the same thing for Mr. Obama? I think not! Sincerely, Mr.Jose

Posted by: Jose Nungaray | February 15, 2008, 11:54 pm 11:54 pm

considering Bill Clinton’s Presidency and Hillary Clinton’s experiences as First Lady will enable them to establish an international coalition which is absolutely necessary to defeat terrorism and save the lives of American soldiers, it seems many in here are either too ignorant to realize how beneficial a Hillary Clinton Administration would be, or they simply don’t care about the well-being of American troops in the short and long term……so which is it?

Posted by: chris | February 15, 2008, 11:54 pm 11:54 pm

no offense, but it appears that many people are too naive as to what a NATIONAL political campaign would look like

Posted by: chris | February 15, 2008, 11:56 pm 11:56 pm

I have read comments from anyone and I think America, as a free country allows anyone to have their opinions about anything and anybody.
Here are my opinions about both candidates:
Obama is a third year senator from Illinois, someone who has been untested, and seems to be the brainchild of the Kennedys. Let’s understand, he is not JFK and he will never be. He should be recognized as Barak Obama, period.
Unfortunately, especially in the past decade, we live in a world of instant gratification, where no one takes accountability for their actions.
Nowadays, I hear Senator Obama take credit for his “NO” vote for the Iraq war, and he clearly enunciates his reasons against the Iraq war. My question is: If he was so adamant against the Iraq war, how come he never emphasized his opposition in a clear manner, led efforts with at least resolutions against the war –> the reality is, he played the numbers game, did not want to antagonize his party nor the republicans. If you look at this issue, this is his modus operandi, either no position at all – his 103 “PRESENT” votes during his tenure in Illinois), or his now reflexions of opposition to the war — to be honest, I never heard Senator Obama lead any efforts against the war, where are the news? Interviews? Why didn’t he go public say in Oprah to proclaim his opposition against the war? Answer: because it was NOT CONVENIENT to his political ambitions.
Now, let’s talk about Obama’s character: Did anyone remember a person who picked on another person because he/she could not deal with a specific person? Example: Ex President Clinton made comments about Obama in the Carolina primaries, Obama did not confront him like a man, he confronted Mrs. Clinton –> ANALYSIS: It seems to me that Senator Obama fears President Clinton and once again, did not want to antagonize the democratic base that likes and admires former President Clinton.
Another issue: Experience. What real initiatives have been passed thru the Senate by Senator Obama? Nothing relevant in the past three years. ANALYIS: He is a follower, and good to setup alliances, not a real leader who takes chances.
Finally, he might win on looks or empty promises, but the reality is that he is untested and not ready to lead our country in the difficult years ahead. To be president, we need someone with backbone, passion, track record of national public service, and who is not afraid of taking chances, and who has a people’s agenda, not a professional politician agenda.
I sincerely hope the voters elect someone capable, and not someone who promises anything to get elected like Senator Obama.

Posted by: Telling like it is in 2008 | February 16, 2008, 12:00 am 12:00 am

The likelihood for me to switch to GOP increases everyday as this kind of message keeps popping up.

Posted by: Andy | February 16, 2008, 12:01 am 12:01 am

YOU GOT TO HEAR THIS:
The fact is that what Obama is telling us is something that puts fear in the hearts of the Greedy, Selfish, and control Freaks. The one IDEA he is promoting for America is “LOVE” for one another, united, as a people, with a common interest.
Question one to everyone that reads this?? WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME SOMEONE SAID TO YOU “I LOVE YOU”? (NOT JUST AS A MATE OR A LOVER, OR A FAMILY MEMBER, BUT JUST AS A HUMAN).
HATE AND FEAR has a common bond, and when humans promote this behavior they have promoted a selfish interest. Whether it is terrorist from the Middle East, Taliban, or the PRESIDENT OF THE U.S.A. or THE COUNTRY AS A WHOLE,.
FEAR is the greatest Terrorist. There can’t be a war on terror!!! Because terror is a self induced unexpected occurrence. We as Americans have made enemies of many countries (with the current Administration) so why should we be surprised of attacks from abroad or internally. We Americans should follow Obama’s lead of leading by EXAMPLE (UNITY AND RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE) that example is to unite as one with one goal, not greed, not power hunger, not selfishness, BUT a goal of common LOVE and concern of all HUMANS, that will advance the living quality of all. This may seem like a dream but it is the SIMPLE SOLUTION.
What would you prefer: 1: WAR/GREED/SUPREMECY
Or
PEACE, PROSPERITY AND ADVANCEMENT OF LIVING CONDITIONS FOR ALL HUMANS (ACHIEVED BY THE BELIEF THAT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH THESE GOALS).
I was once told by a Coach that if I believed that things would not work, it would be possible than not that if will not work, with my slighted desires. He also said that, if I believe I can, more than likely it would happen with the simple belief that it would.
“YES WE CAN”
We should all be FINISHED with the battle that the rich offers us, that divide us on non-important issues, while they line there pockets. (No more Conservative or Liberals, Republicans or Democrat, etc.)

Posted by: Edward Strange | February 16, 2008, 12:04 am 12:04 am

“There are two competing moods in America today,” Clinton said.
But the President only goes on to describe and denigrate one of those prevailing moods.
There is no mention of the other mood.
So is this a case of the media cherry-picking his comments? Did he actually describe the other mood? Did Ms. Amos stop recording after she got her juicy quote? Or did he get so puce-faced and angry once again that he never described the other mood and lost his train of thought?
I’m voting for Obama and freely admit I am somewhat anti-Clinton, but I wonder if there is more to this story here than is being told.

Posted by: just wondering | February 16, 2008, 12:05 am 12:05 am

what’s kind of brilliant, actually, from the obama campaign is their two-tiered message of being against negative attacks and wanting change of “old-style” politics……this is brilliant because it attacks the kind of politics supported by donors and lobbyists yet protects against the disclosure of one’s donors and/or lobbyists……therefore, obama has been effective in stifling his own closet skeletons and hypocrisy (as he himself engaged in “old-style” politics by having a friend in rezko who supported his career and supporters in exelon who donated to his campaign) which, coincidentally, are the same kind of politics he tells his supporters he is fighting against, but he has acted to keep hidden such skeletons by attacking the nature of negative attacks, thereby protecting his image and his message of change……BRILLIANT…..except that interest groups not dissimilar to the swift boat vets, don’t really care whether obama likes negative attacks or not…..thus, if he becomes the nominee, they will the money and the will to come out full force in order to keep the White House in republican control……..the question now becomes: for the best interests of America, who can survive a national campaign against groups that are beyond the control of the republican nominee? Answer: Senator Hillary Clinton

Posted by: chris | February 16, 2008, 12:07 am 12:07 am

If there had been a draft this war either wouldn’t have happened or it would be over. If everyone had to sacrifice their sons/daughters there would have been far more questioning of the merits of our going into Iraq and knucklehead Bush wouldn’t have been able to dupe the American people to the degree he did. If it’s truly a war worth fighting for we should all be willing to sacrifice, and if we aren’t then we shouldn’t be there. I think most of us saw the merit of going after Bin Laden, too bad Bush didn’t. Neither Bush, Cheney or Rumsfeld sought to implement a draft when enetering a war we knew fairly early on would overtax our young men/women who were/are serving, who keep getting sent back over there multiple times- Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld avoiding a draft? They learned something from Vietnam and they did not want the young and the people of this country out protesting in a way we have never seen happen with this war, and why?, because too many of us are remotely removed from this war on a more personal level. It also makes no sense to me how one could have the courage to oppose this war and yet vote to continue to fund this war on every vote taken (as Obama did alongside Hillary) or to vote for the confirmation of Condoleeza Rice (as Obama did, breaking away in doing so from his fellow colleagues). Politically to not support the funding of this war would have surely shot down any hopes whatsoever of a near future Presidential run because politically it would have been construed as not supporting our troops- but to do so would have truly been inspiring, truly been change, truly been courage and truly been hope- to imply anything but based on his record since he actually was in the Senate is nothing more than a pipedream and Clinton was right when he made reference to it being a “fairy tale”.

Posted by: sue | February 16, 2008, 12:13 am 12:13 am

This is another example of the media combing through every word that Bill Clinton says and then trying to twist around and take it out of context to hurt Bill Clinton. The truth is that the Obama-loving media hate Bill Clinton because he is such a strong man of keen insight, which is such a strong advocate for Hillary. They are trying to demonize him to cut off his effectiveness.
Hillary is going to win Tx by at least 13 points. She is going to win Ohio by at least 16 and Pa by at least 15. She is going to be about tied in delegates at that time. Going into the convention she is going to be about tied on delegates, and with FL and MI up in the air plus her advantage among superdelegates, she is going to win. That is my hope for our country, and it’s very realistic.

Posted by: Jason | February 16, 2008, 12:20 am 12:20 am

Billy C: You wanna sell a piece of land? could it be called “Whitewater”?

Posted by: hawaiilaw | February 16, 2008, 12:22 am 12:22 am

Jason, I’m not going to give a lengthy diatribe about how I disagree with your predictions, which I do. I simply want to ask Mrs. Clinton’s supporters 3 questions. First is it really acceptable for Mrs. Clinton to ask for Michigan(I wouldn’t mind Florida) where her only competition was Mike gravel? Second, if she loses Texas, Ohio, or Pennsylvania(or wins by insignificant margins) should she graciously step down? Third Do you honestly think that she can win via merely super delegate votes alone without losing viability in the general election?

Posted by: Win | February 16, 2008, 12:28 am 12:28 am

for the record, michigan and florida would re-vote for Hillary

Posted by: chris | February 16, 2008, 12:29 am 12:29 am

The churning cauldron of solipsism and narcissism that is the man, Bill Clinton, puts another nail in the coffin of Mrs. Clinton’s candidacy for the presidency, every time he opens his mouth. When the history of this election year is written, Mrs. Clinton’s remarkable political demise will be charted, very clearly to two simple words, “fairy tale.” Bill Clinton’s unbridled lust for power extends directly to his mouth, and will ultimately prove to be the single most significant factor in Barak Obama’s nomination, by the Democrat Party, for the presidency of the United States.
Keep talking Bill!

Posted by: Thank God for Karma | February 16, 2008, 12:34 am 12:34 am

the successful period of clinton’s presidency was when the republicans took over both houses in congress and most of the gubernatorial positions. the prior administration was embroiled in a war, reagan spent way too much on the cold war.
clinton takes credit for bills sponsored by members of a republican legislature, and did i hear someone count hillary’s years in the white house as experience (dumb). that would mean laura bush is more qualified than john edwards politically.
in a nutshell, obama has what it takes to rule, he is inclusive, bill clinton was arrogant and only became humble or maybe humiliated after his biggest scandal and impeachment, when he was forced to work with republicans. hillary is very divisive.
go obama

Posted by: newt yorkshire | February 16, 2008, 12:45 am 12:45 am

When is Bill CLinton going to sit down and SHUT UP. Cripes, is he going to jump to Hillary’s defense IF she gets to be the President? We had enough of them both for 12 years as the Governor of Arkansas and 8 years as president. It’s time the clinton’s got out.

Posted by: cma04 | February 16, 2008, 12:48 am 12:48 am

As a Clinton supporter I do feel Hillary should step down graciously if indeed she loses Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania. The same should apply to Obama. It’s clearly a done deal for her if that were to happen though. I don’t think for either candidate the way to win is via superdelegates if the writing is on the wall one way or another. But I wouldn’t worry too much about Obama when it comes to a superdelegate decision since he did spend about 6x more via his PAC fund than what Hillary spent from her PAC fund on contributions to superdelegates in office.

Posted by: sue | February 16, 2008, 12:49 am 12:49 am

Dear Hillary,
Why is it that every discussion about you becomes a screaming fight? I know it used to be the vast right wing conspiracy, but you can’t even seem to make it through a Democratic primary without polarizing the electorate. Could it maybe, just maybe, be you?

Posted by: Brian | February 16, 2008, 12:57 am 12:57 am

For anyone who is interested in this race, I think it is ridiculous. Honestly, I think both Clinton and Obama are going at this all wrong. I mean I would like to see Clinton win but I would rather have either win then McCain, I don’t want another Bush. My feeling is torn by that fact that both Clinton and Obama have very much similar ideas and proposals to running the country, but are combating each other for presidential election. I don’t feel that right how that should be. My idea is that I would rather see Clinton or Obama become president and the other vice so that they can team up together to and introduce an even better idea compared to just one person ideals. Like I said before, I do not like to see another Bush rise in its place which I mean McCain. Or see that one or the other drop the race in good faith and run for president later on. What I really like to see happens is that of Clinton becoming president and Obama vice so that Obama can gain the experience needed to take over president in the future if that is even possible or have him dropping the race and in a few years later run for president, by then I would vote for Obama hands down. Just look at Bush and Cheney, you don’t see then up in arms with each telling each other what to do and what not to do. I feel Clinton has the experience to move us forward and get us out of this mess but I can only hope she wins though Obama would be my next chose to pick for Democrat for the election.

Posted by: JonDoe1977 | February 16, 2008, 1:00 am 1:00 am

Telling it like it is 2008: Barack Obama was a three-times elected Senator to the Illinois State Legislature. He resigned in his 3rd term when he won his seat in the US Senate. Now would somebody like to point me to a website about Hillary Clinton’s elected official experience prior to going almost straight from the White House to to US Senate with a well-known spousal name? Thnk you.

Posted by: tcnz | February 16, 2008, 1:04 am 1:04 am

if you’ve had enough of the Clintons in the White House, then you must be a republican

Posted by: chris | February 16, 2008, 1:07 am 1:07 am

p.s. not only are you a republican, but you care more about your party than about your country

Posted by: chris | February 16, 2008, 1:08 am 1:08 am

Jason, your comments are right on track. The Obama-loving media is trying to demonize Clinton by taking his comments out of context, twisting them, and making Obama a victim. I resent the media meddling like this in the election process. It is totally unprofessional.

Posted by: Two-cats | February 16, 2008, 1:17 am 1:17 am

An analyst on Bill Mahr said tonight that one of the reasons Obama has done so well is because of Republican mischief. I had suspected as much especially in the caucus voting which were very lopsided considering the fact that the country is split pretty much 50/50. Many of the states that Obama has done well in are republican states, which won’t mean squat in the general election. The media has been largely taken over by the right wing the last few years. This is evident by the free pass that had been given to Bush until things got so bad they couldn’t cover for him any longer. Now we are having Obama shoved down our throats by this same media. Then we have the republicans doing what they can to keep Hillary out of the general election. Maybe it is time to step back and take a look as to what is going on.
Why is Obama so well protected and where is all the money coming from? The idea that the republicans are afraid of Obama is pure fantasy. Hillary is the one they are running from.

Posted by: Firefighter | February 16, 2008, 1:26 am 1:26 am

You know what, Mr. Obama was just as much a part of the GOOD things in the 90′s as anyone. Bill, you weren’t a bad president, but your time has come and now it is gone. Keep a little dignity in your life. be happy you were a prosperous president. Don’t trash yourself in self-indulgence.

Posted by: RW | February 16, 2008, 1:27 am 1:27 am

From what I remember, Obama wanted Michigan voters to vote as uncommitted so that these votes could be allocated to all those candidates who chose not to be on the ballot.
Hillary is already ahead in popular vote, therefore she does not need Michigan or Florida to win the nomination if super delegates vote according to their constituents wishes.

Posted by: K. Khan | February 16, 2008, 1:30 am 1:30 am

Hillary likes to talk about her record compared to Obama’s but what has Hilary done? She left the White House came to New York as a carpet bagger and was handed the U.S. Senate Seat that Guiliani had to abandon because he was sick with Cancer. She hardly completed her first term before she start campaigning for President. She has not made New York better or brought any prosperity to NY. All she has done is brought Prosperity to herself and her bank account. Hillary ready for President on day one…talk about catchy slogan..she might as well say vote for me because I was first lady and I am a white woman…do you really want a black guy running your country…the more things change the more they stay the same. Vote for Hillary and don’t expect any change…this woman thinks we owe her something and that the prize belong to her well it does not and if Obama loses to her…for the first time I will vote republican because she does not impress me at all…

Posted by: Laing | February 16, 2008, 1:34 am 1:34 am

I hope Bill keeps it up. The more people see and hear him, the more disgusted they become. I liked Bill and voted for him twice. Now, I wince when I hear him. He has so dimenished his stature as a former President.”Pimping” is not attractive and “lying outright” will continue to backfire.

Posted by: xargaw | February 16, 2008, 1:43 am 1:43 am

This is a perfect example of what Lawrence Lessig of the Stanford School of Law refers to here:
“Hillary Clinton has been using the kind of techniques that we Democrats thought were only at the level of Republicans. This is a measure of a certain kind of integrity. A kind of integrity that I think we should all demand that the political process reveal. Now, people will say in response to this, ‘oh that’s so naive, this is the way politics is. All politics is like this and you can’t punish one candidate because they are using the style of politics. But this is the way all politics will be, only if we reward the behavior of people who deploy this Rovean style of political behavior. We will get more of it if this is the kind of behavior we will reward, and that’s a good reason for people who support Hillary Clinton to either criticize her behavior of the campaign or to switch support to Barack Obama.”

Posted by: Jennifer Wild | February 16, 2008, 1:46 am 1:46 am

Obama has been attacking Bill Clinton’s record, so it is only fair that Bill respond. Obama wants us to have amnesia and buy his BS that the 90s were bad.
Well, I remeber the 90s and they were great! We had a good economy and despite the dirty tricks of the Republicans the country was much more unified than it is now.
Bill was smart and ran on the issues. He wasn’t some cult leader like Nobama.

Posted by: Karen | February 16, 2008, 1:49 am 1:49 am

What happened to the man from Hope?
I miss that President.

Posted by: tcr | February 16, 2008, 1:54 am 1:54 am

Yes Firefighter!

Posted by: irma | February 16, 2008, 1:57 am 1:57 am

Surely you can see that what Bill Clinton is saying is that Obama thinks anyone who bears the scars of battles in the 1990s is somehow tainted. Obama has dissed any Dem who did anything in the 1990s as being damaged goods though they paved the way for him. Obama thinks that by making peace and love, the GOP will fall right in line behind the Dems. Regardless of what you think about Bill you bash him for criticizing Obama. Then to top it off, I guess for “balance” you have a “response” from an Obama spokesman!!

Posted by: hopesprings52 | February 16, 2008, 2:07 am 2:07 am

Hopesprings52; You said it!

Posted by: irma | February 16, 2008, 2:17 am 2:17 am

It sure is difficult to decipher what the Clinton’s were talking about when the Clinton Campaign used the term “Fairy Tale” which is quickly translated into a “pipe dream.” I get it. They didn’t want to sound to anti-ebonic. Political correctness run amok. There is no question in my mind. Regards, Jon

Posted by: BlackwaterJon | February 16, 2008, 2:28 am 2:28 am

I question whether time is really on Obama’s side. There are things I like about Obama (despite his unimpressive record to date) much of it being the obvious- he’s charismatic, attractive, articulate, has a sense of humor, is likeable and a great orator in the league of JFK, Bill Clinton and for you Republicans, Reagan. There are also some positions he has taken that I like over Hillary’s and I like his pragmatism. But both JFK and Clinton represented youth and change and new politics back in their day. Clinton came in on the message of hope and a new way of doing politics and for those Clinton haters- I rest my case. Withstanding Clinton’s sex scandal (and believe me if we had the media we have today in the 60′s I doubt JFK would have even fared nearly as well as Clinton in that respect)- Obama will be no more or less a disappointment than Clinton was. The Clinton’s didn’t have a new way of doing politics rather they just played the old way only better. All indications at this point are that Obama, who has proved to be quite the match for the Clinton’s, will fare the same. So don’t place too much hope on Obama’s message of hope and change because you will inevitably be clearly disappointed in the long run. Where I think it is possible that time may not be on Obama’s side though is that while the pro-Obama media has clearly played a part in his meteoric rise leading up to the convention, there runs a risk that there will be somewhat of a backlash. As New Hampshire proved, the media and the polls cannot accurately predict the will of the people. It is commonplace in the blogs to see people frustrated with what seems to be a pro-Obama bias in the media. A media bias would be less of an issue if the people had a positive opinion about the media in general, but they don’t, regardless of whatever candidate one may support. It’s all about “the story” and if there isn’t one than create one. It’s the same media that seems to think Paris Hilton’s DUI and subsequent jail sentence was newsworthy and she ended up sitting in the same chair that our potential presidential nominees sit in on the Larry King Show. Keith Olderman talks American Idol. Anderson Cooper sheepishly keeps us updated on Britney
and somehow we all know who K-Fed is and the names of their two children. Russert and Matthews have become a joke-where are the Brokaws, Brinkleys and Cronkites? A media that didn’t ask the tough questions as George W. started the process to take us into war and the media marched right along with as our tanks went into Iraq. Some people will just base their conclusions on sound bites but many won’t and they’ll stop and do their own homework on Obama- and in Obama’s defense to some degree, there will be no way possible he will be able to live up to the hype that’s been spun. The debates are the only thing coming across our TV sets that we can trust (regardless of who we end up supporting)and that’s why Obama needs to step up to the plate and give us more then promises of hope and change and really let us know what he intends to do in those formats. And if you like what he has to say or what Hillary says, disregard the pundits and trust your own judgement.

Posted by: sue | February 16, 2008, 2:31 am 2:31 am

Why is it ok for Hillary to push women, but wrong for Obama to push Blacks?
I’m just amazed how people like to be use by the Clintons.
History shows the middle class actually didn’t do as well as perceived during the 90s, the rich did.

Posted by: Right on Day1 | February 16, 2008, 2:36 am 2:36 am

I really don’t know how the White House could be any more obscene than it was under Bill Clinton, but I can guess. Maybe we will be looking at live pay per view feeds from the Lincoln Bedroom. It is a sad commentary that people didn’t have enough of Bill Clinton in the 90′s. Regards, Jon.

Posted by: BlackwaterJon | February 16, 2008, 2:36 am 2:36 am

“Hillary is already ahead in popular vote…”
K. Khan-
Barack is winning the popular vote, with FL and MI included. Check out RealClearPolitics.com. Where have you been?

Posted by: Rooney | February 16, 2008, 2:37 am 2:37 am

I see Obama for what he is: an opportunistic follower without a real backbone. He withers in debates when he is criticised. So far he has been protected and defended by the media and his surrogates. If Obama gets the nomination, it will be due to the media bias in constantly trashing the Clintons. If he does get nominated, I will vote for McCain, as much as I cringe to do that.

Posted by: jasoninpa | February 16, 2008, 2:41 am 2:41 am

I voted for Bill, defended him during the whole Impeachment proceedings, and generally felt he and Hill fought off some nasty attacks, many made worse by their own tactics. Nonetheless, I am extremely dismayed by how they are behaving- MI and FL must NOT count, and if Obama wins the delegate count, then superdelagates must support the will of the voters. To steal an election will kill the Democratic Party, and I will become a declared Independent. Finally, I’m pretty tired of hearing all about what a gifted politician Bill is- his personal flaws, given his enemies, directly led to the Gore loss in 2000, which is a big part of how we got HERE. Clinton’s affair with an intern (such character flaw should not so easily be forgotten) weakened him, and that was enough to lose the White House to W. And now the war, the economy, the whole damn mess must be traced back to his actions. He owes Gore and the rest of the Democratic Party a big apology. And he needs to halt his attacks or his reputation will continue to suffer and deteriorate.

Posted by: Bill Flannigan | February 16, 2008, 2:42 am 2:42 am

“So don’t place too much hope on Obama’s message of hope and change because you will inevitably be clearly disappointed in the long run.”
Sue-
This statement is actually a testament to who you are, not who the candidate is. Obama knows he can’t change anything unless you believe that you can. He is clearly explaining that real change comes from the bottom-up, not the top-down. Perhaps it’s your own cynicism that prevents you from believing in the possibility. If you are waiting for a politician to make your life better, you may be missing the message.

Posted by: Rooney | February 16, 2008, 2:47 am 2:47 am

touche to firefighter it is quite obvious The republican would love to face Obama in the play offs. It’s good to see at least someone is paying attention.

Posted by: GM | February 16, 2008, 2:47 am 2:47 am

GM and Firefighter-
I have to admit, your logic is astonishing…and not in a good way. The fact that Obama has brought out record-breaking numbers of Democratic primary voters in traditionally red states all throughout the country clearly shows what a strong general election candidate he is. Any Democrat can win CA, NY, and MA.
First thing…stop getting your political wisdom from Bill Maher. That guy’s a self-righteous tool. Start listening to Republican insiders, because none of them want anything to do with a race against Obama. Democrats have outnumbered Republicans in every single state this primary season. Obama’s ground organization is responsible for that, and that terrifies Republicans.

Posted by: Rooney | February 16, 2008, 3:02 am 3:02 am

Bills’s “fairy tale” comment on Obama’s initial opposition to the war before he was in the senate and could vote and then once he got there his anti-war voice wasn’t heard coming from his mouth and than he supported unconditional funding for the war from there on in and then his vote for Condoleeza Rice and then he didn’t make a speech in the Senate on Iraq until a year later and then he asked for a reduction in troops with no timetable and in fact voted against Feingold and Kerry on setting a timetable and then campaigned for pro-war Leiberman over anti-war Lamont- that was the “fairy tale” Clinton was referring to, Obama’s inconsistancy on Iraq. You may have gotten confused when Michelle Obama shortly thereafter deemed the “fairy tale” comment a statement about Obama’s candidancy as a whole. I’ve watched her interviews, and one can’t not be impressed with her intelligence, so she knew exactly what she was doing. The Obama’s can play politics as well as the Clintons and clearly even better at times.

Posted by: sue | February 16, 2008, 3:03 am 3:03 am

for the geniuses in here: if Democrats don’t count Michigan and Florida (re-vote is best choice), then Democrats don’t win Michigan and Florida in November…

Posted by: chris | February 16, 2008, 3:04 am 3:04 am

the naivete of obama supporters is astounding and terrifying…

Posted by: chris | February 16, 2008, 3:05 am 3:05 am

Hillary’s been the subject of anti-American attacks, and she’s still here and in good position to be the next President of the United States…..she’s also been subject to biased reporting and news analysts and…..she’s still here and in good position to be the next President of the United States….we already know that Senator Clinton can thrive under pressure and under attack…..that’s why she will win in November

Posted by: chris | February 16, 2008, 3:11 am 3:11 am

It’s not just Bill’s legacy he’s thinking about, he really can’t see straight when it comes to Hillary (and all his past running around doesn’t erase that):
When a man loves a woman
Can’t keep his mind on nothing else
He’ll trade the world
For the good thing he’s found
If she’s bad he can’t see it
She can do no wrong
Turn his back on his best friend
If he put her down

Posted by: Tom J | February 16, 2008, 3:12 am 3:12 am

Nice Bill Burton comeback…

Posted by: Larry from Purdue | February 16, 2008, 3:29 am 3:29 am

Bills’s “fairy tale” comment on Obama’s initial opposition to the war before he was in the senate and could vote and then once he got there his anti-war voice wasn’t heard coming from his mouth and than he supported unconditional funding for the war from there on in and then his vote for Condoleeza Rice and then he didn’t make a speech in the Senate on Iraq until a year later and then he asked for a reduction in troops with no timetable and in fact voted against Feingold and Kerry on setting a timetable and then campaigned for pro-war Leiberman over anti-war Lamont- that was the “fairy tale” Clinton was referring to, Obama’s inconsistancy on Iraq.
Posted by: sue | Feb 16, 2008 3:03:35 AM
Early favorite for the 2008 run-on sentence awards.
Jeez, if I wanted to go read Locke or Hobbes, well, then I’d go read it.

Posted by: just wondering | February 16, 2008, 3:40 am 3:40 am

Rooney- Your point in regards to what may be cynicism on my own part is well taken. I would suspect that is why we are seeing some division between how young people are voting and gravitating towards Obama and the older voters gravitate towards Clinton. We’ve been down this road before. When I say that I don’t apologize for what seems cynical on my part because it’s rooted in experience but I can honestly say that there are many of us who would love to go back to those days when we believed anything was possible. And yes, cynical is maybe not the greatest place to be but that cynicism doesn’t apply to all areas of my life. I full-heartedly agree with you though the belief that it is possible is important and can have an impact. In the political arena Reagan was a good example of someone who understood that and it comes as no surprise to me that Obama would recognize some of Reagan’s postives and voice them publicly (and I understood that in Obama’s statement and Hillary did turn that around to imply Obama supported his positions/policies which was not the case). The economy is a good example of where if we all believe based on media reports and looking in our own wallets and bank accounts that the economy is terrible and the future looks bleak, we respond to that. If we have a candidate who we believe in and instills hope in us for the future in their message, there is no doubt in my mind that can have a positive impact. I am not incapable of hope, I just have not found it in Obama. I placed far more hope in John Edwards. I will not say though that it’s not possible that I couldn’t feel that way about Obama, in fact I wish I could, but it doesn’t appear it’s going to happen in 2008.

Posted by: sue | February 16, 2008, 3:43 am 3:43 am

Just Wondering- Well be forewarned, run-on sentences are what can happen if you drink some beer and blog

Posted by: sue | February 16, 2008, 3:51 am 3:51 am

Wow that cuts to the quick! You’re in the upstairs apartment, aren’t you? I knew it! ;)

Posted by: just wondering | February 16, 2008, 4:03 am 4:03 am

I am proud of President Clinton and his administration. Except for the soap opera that the republicans created out of a family issue (which by the way many presidents including JFK have been involved with), the country was at peace and economic prosperity was returned after the Bush years. The biggest turn off for me for Obama supporters is that they deny the fact that life was so much better for all Americans during President Clinton’s administration and they attack all achievements of that era and President Clinton personally, just like the republican attack machine. This discredits them totally and the fact that Obama goes along with this line and has said things along this line is very telling to me. He is no uniter, he has no integrity as a democrat if he denies the great achievements of President Clinton, the only living two-time elected democratic president.

Posted by: Johnathan | February 16, 2008, 4:06 am 4:06 am

Head to Head. Bill doesn’t have any game in Texas against Barak. Everything is bigger coming from a brother.

Posted by: BlackwaterJon | February 16, 2008, 4:08 am 4:08 am

I reject wholeheartedly anyone who chastises Obama supporters as naive or ill-informed. The Clintons are divisive figures in this country, and Hillary has receive more money from lobbyists (over $9 million) than any other candidate. Obama supporters are people that feel like Hillary is not well-positioned to act on her promises. She can’t. She owes too many people too much. Obama’s youth and integrity are a huge asset, and uniquely position him to confront long-term stagnation and corporate influence in Washington. That is, if he has the will to do it, and I believe he does. Peopl also challenge him for being short with the specifics for his plans. I have two responses to that. First, it’s not true. He may not include specifics in every speech, but he has given numerous policy speeches, and all of his positions are broken down in detail on his website. Second, what American government has lacked for the last two decades is not smart people, or capable people, or experienced people. It’s lacked people with a real, genuine vision for a way to do politics differently. Obama has that, and specifics can always be put into place when a true leader has outlined a bold new vision.

Posted by: Nathan | February 16, 2008, 4:08 am 4:08 am

Are you kidding me? Do you know how many people Obama will be owing to, from the left wing Kennedy clan to the right wing media, and the republicans who are pushing him on. Are you naive enough to think that this unknown senator with question marks in his past record, became a sensational figure just because of the power of his personality? Have you been watching the news and seeing how they have been coronating him king for the past two months? Nobody is asking him any questions, there are no parsing of his speeches, and there is a complete bashing of the Clintons? Anyone criticizing him, not even criticizing hi, even if you call him by his middle name, you will be called a racist, marginallized, and forced to appologize (remember Senator Bob Kerrey?).

Posted by: Johnathan | February 16, 2008, 4:23 am 4:23 am

Seriously folks. Having the Clintons in the White House is like having Britney Spears on the cover of the tabloids–a dysfunctional mess. Let´s move on from that soap opera and elect a real, inspirational, and thoughtful leader (and yes, one who has details about his plans—just check his website). Vote Barack Obama.

Posted by: George | February 16, 2008, 4:28 am 4:28 am

I for one don’t think all Obama supporters are naive or ill-informed, but that also applies to Clinton, McCain and Huckabee supporters also.
No doubt the Clintons generate some strong reactions but that also seems to be the case with Obama and McCain depending on who you’re talking to.
Clinton does surpass McCain and Obama in money taken by lobbyists, no doubt, she took about $764,00 to McCain’s $422,00 to Obama’s $87,000 (Edwards took $28,000 so if money taken by lobbyists is a primary issue for you then your first choice would have been Edwards most likely- the most populist candidate of the the bunch). When you look at contributors though there’s just as much reason for concern with Obama as there is with Clinton, he either matches or surpasses her in that regard. One of Obama’s primary contributors is Exelon, one of the nation’s leading nuclear power plants and if you look at some of his statements in regards to nuclear power, like nuclear power is “green” you have to wonder. Exelon had not disclosed there were radioactive leaks at one of it’s nuclear plants in Illinois and obviously Illinois residents were outraged to find this out. Obama took the issue up and introduced a bill requiring plant owners and nuclear regulators to notify state and local authorities for even small leaks. Sounds good and is good and that’s what Obama touts in his speeches. What he fails to mention is he eventually rewrote the bill to make changes that were sought by Exelon, nuclear regulators and Republicans. It took out mandating reporting and instead just offered guidance to regulators- this particular rewritten bill died in the Senate. You need to question that rewrite given two top Exelon officials are among his largest fund-raisers, another donor is a chairman of Exelron and also chairman of the Nuclear Energy Institute, the nuclear power’s lobbying group in Washington and his chief political strategist, David Axelrod, worked as a consultant to Exelron. So Obama criticized Exelron publicly, good;
introduced a good bill and fought for it, good but then he rewrote the bill and weakened it in the process, not good. This is typical Obama- just like his 6-7 votes he’s made where he couldn’t distinguish between a green and red button indicating yes or no and accidently pushed the wrong button – “I voted this way but I meant to vote that way”. Kind of like voting “present”- I don’t want the political flack that comes with voting on partial-birth abortions so instead of yes or no I’ll vote “present”.

Posted by: sue | February 16, 2008, 4:56 am 4:56 am

I can’t believe you all think that Bill Clinton deserves the credit for the economic success of the 90′s. Sorry to pop your balloon but the Newt Gingrich Republican Congress which force a balanced federal budget was the real force behind the economic success of the 90′s.

Posted by: Dennis | February 16, 2008, 5:09 am 5:09 am

Gosh, you make it sound like having a family in the White House who makes Britney and K-Fed look functional is a bad thing. Tell me it’s not true.

Posted by: sue | February 16, 2008, 5:09 am 5:09 am

That’s right. George Sr. took the stance that when the economy was in a nose dive during his term that we should just leave it alone and do nothing and let it work itself out. Clinton came in and the economy went on the upswing shortly thereafter- Clinton can’t really take credit for that. There are other things regarding the economy that he can take credit for though.

Posted by: sue | February 16, 2008, 5:14 am 5:14 am

I kind of get sick of people claiming Obama’s message as a message of false hope based on nothing. At least he is giving a positive message.
And as for Clinton’s remarks, I have not heard Obama criticise Clinton’s record. But whatever, isn’t it slightly ironic that the first woman to run for President should rely sooo much on what her husband has achieved? What exactly are Hillary’s achievements? Failing on Health Care reform, and thereby crippling her husbands domestic reform agenda, and allowing a Republican sweep of Congress. Hardly a strong record of national leadership. Her vote for the Iraq War resolution hardly shows any courage?

Posted by: markymark | February 16, 2008, 5:26 am 5:26 am

WOULD YOU TRUST BILL CLINTON…..
….alone in the house with your teenage daughter?
Democrats now look stupid because of the Clintons…
The Clintons are an embarrassment,
Please go away and do some philanthropy like GORE.
We love that man, he at least knew when to QUIT !!!

Posted by: Rubiconski | February 16, 2008, 5:29 am 5:29 am

Obama is a passing fad and he is a fad the Republicans are more then happy to let people buy in to. The attack McCain made yesterday on Obama was just a sample of what has to come. He uses clever wording to convince naive voters that he somehow voted against the war when infact he wasnt even in the Senate at that point, so his “vote” was nothing more then an opinion. He has built his campaign on the fact that he is too fresh to have made mistakes and he isnt the typical Washington “staus quo”, but yet with open arms he accepts endorsments from the biggest of Washingtons “status quos” the Kennedys. The campaign isnt about race? Yet how many times prior to this election did the mention the work of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. in any of his public speeches? Naive voters continue to place Obama on a pedastool of perfection, but come November (if nominated), he and his campaign will be completely dismantled by the Republicans that have been gently holding back there attacks in hopes that he will fall into there hands. Hillary is not perfect, but she has never claimed to have been either and that alone would be her biggest assest debating McCain.

Posted by: Tim | February 16, 2008, 5:32 am 5:32 am

CANT WAIT FOR THE HILLARY CONCESSION SPEECH!!
When America will know for sure it is finally rid of the Clintons for good, for ever and ever.
Who would have guessed that Bill Clinton would ever return.
Take no chances this time, let’s find his casket and drive that wooden stake through his heart.
It’s OBAMA-TIME !!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Rubiconski | February 16, 2008, 5:34 am 5:34 am

8 Years of the Clintons, major losses for Democrats across the nation.
THIS COULD BE THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT REASON FOR SUPPORTING OBAMA. The Clintons use the Democratic Party as a vehicle to consolidate their personal political power. They simply DO NOT CARE about electing more Democrats, strengthening the party, or furthering progressive causes.

Posted by: Rubiconski | February 16, 2008, 5:38 am 5:38 am

If Obama had courage he wouldn’t have voted consistently from the time he hit the senate to fund a war he didn’t believe in; he wouldn’t have voted to confirm Condoleeza Rice and he wouldn’t have waited until he was in the Senate at least a year to give a speech about Iraq- he has big issues with Hillary’s Iraq vote but he opted to back pro-war Lieberman over anti-war Lamont- he doesn’t have courage nor is he consistent- he plays the “I’m in, but I’m not”; “I voted yes, but I meant no”; “I’ll write a bill that will make the residents of Illinois happy, but then I’ll rewrite it to make my corporate donors happy”- one of the 29 people who actually had the opportunity to vote in the Senate (unlike Obama), the late Senator from my home state Paul Wellstone, he referred to as “somewhat of a gadfly”- I don’t get how those supporting Obama can overlook this stuff

Posted by: sue | February 16, 2008, 5:42 am 5:42 am

Will the real Obama please make a definitive stand on the issues? We are beginning to see that he is playing to the crowd. Bill is just calling his hand on the issues. Which side of the issues is Obama going to stand when it’s all said and done? Compare what he has said to audiences of different demographics. Bill needs to do a better job at bringing these contrasts to the voter’s attention.

Posted by: Zinger | February 16, 2008, 5:43 am 5:43 am

Sally took the words right out of my mouth!

Posted by: laurie | February 16, 2008, 5:50 am 5:50 am

Oh boo hoo. Now he’s going to cry and feel sorry for himself…..
Bill needs the spotlight and attention like a druggie needs a high.

Posted by: Rubiconski | February 16, 2008, 5:50 am 5:50 am

Bill is hilarious. He’s become a worse caricature of himself than the presentation on SNL that Darrell Hammond does.
Nice to know that Hillary has him “reigned in and under control”.
Hilarious.

Posted by: Rubiconski | February 16, 2008, 5:58 am 5:58 am

>The Clintons and the wing nuts on this >site can make all sorts of accusations >about Obama like drugs or the Rezko >association ort his so called lack of >experience.
Micahel. These are not accusations, these are facts overlooked by the big media and mindless hussein supporters.

Posted by: Anatoly | February 16, 2008, 6:27 am 6:27 am

Obama seems to claim that whatever your position is on day one must what you still believe. Wasn’t he a muslim on day one?

Posted by: ges | February 16, 2008, 6:53 am 6:53 am

“Last year, Rita Rezko sold a strip of that vacant lot to Obama for $104,500 — a deal Obama later apologized for, acknowledging that people might think he got a favor from Rezko. Obama called the episode “boneheaded” and a “mistake.” ”
Is this from the same guy who says he has good judgment because he was against the iraq war from the beginning?
Hmmm….which Obama will be making the decisions in the whitehouse?
My problem with obama is that he puts himself up on a pedestal as being different and for change and hope when in reality he is no different from any other politician.
Oh the hypocracy of the obama camp and his supporters.

Posted by: Hypocrite | February 16, 2008, 6:54 am 6:54 am

I am reading these comments about “if the Clintons get back in the White House. What if Senator Obama gets elected……….I cannot even amagine what will happen when Oprah Winfrey and their friend Whitney Houston spend the night. Get out the pipes.

Posted by: OWO | February 16, 2008, 6:59 am 6:59 am

And therein lies the problem! The 90′s was good for the middle aged Boomers at the expense of we elders ( “never trust anyone over 30″) because they grabbed the power positions and changed the rules on us midlife.) All of a sudden the CEO’s were all 40 years old and the older ones who had expected to retire at 65, were “early retired, downsized, booted out”. All of a sudden, You needed a college degree to get a decent job, and those who had newly won college degrees, can’t even speak English properly!
They employed the kids, and USED them too!
ANd now that they want to retire early, they are whinning about the Social Security Fund!
I found the 90′s to be an artistic creative wasteland worse than the 50′s,
ORANGE came back in style! and my income was 1/6th of what it had been!
The corporations forced us into a “one size fits all” world, and genetically modified food was allowed to proliferate.
Bill also allowed the navy to use sonar to the detriment of the marine mammals by an executive order overturning, EPA rulings back in 1994! I was SHOCKED!
Now Everyone is condeming Bush for doing that.
Is Iran building submarines? Osama binLaden? Chavez? Castro? Kim ill?
Russia’s last nuclear sub, rusted & sank wih all hands on board several years ago!
You better believe we need change!

Posted by: Pat SHarp | February 16, 2008, 7:01 am 7:01 am

Wow. There is an ABC news link today on Obama about his plan to have social securtiy taxes of 12.4 percent on the entire income and not just the 97,000 current cap.The Obama has real guts one must say. 12.4 percent social security taxes on the entire income with no 97,000 income cap. He is amazing. That means a middle class family with an income of lets say 150,000 will pay an extra 6572 in taxes. If you are making 250,000 (or is it 200,000) you will be hit with a double whammy. You will pay more income taxes as your federal taxes will be raised and an extra 18,360 on social security taxes. This is in addition to the capital gains taxes which he plans to increase to 20 percent (Bill Clinton was market friendly and reduced it to 10 percent, which even the Republicans did not).

Posted by: VPNathan3 | February 16, 2008, 7:27 am 7:27 am

The individual who believes that MI and FL has to be counted to get the voters to come out for a Democrat is wrong. In MI, we knew long in advance that our votes weren’t going to count in the party election. My candidate, my husband’s candidate and and my friend’s candidate weren’t on the ballot.
But my vote still counted for the road millage and 911 renewal. Those are the reasons I went to the polls that day. I know for a fact that Floridians had a property tax increase on their ballots.
The DNC told MI and FL that the votes wouldn’t count and it was all over the TV, radio, internet and newspapers. The voters knew the votes wouldn’t count. The candidates knew the votes wouldn’t count. The vote DOESN”T COUNT!

Posted by: Ann | February 16, 2008, 7:53 am 7:53 am

Does anyone on this site have a good reason to vote for or against a candidate? Or is it all lies, myths and conspiracies? We deserve what we get if this is how we decide our vote.

Posted by: Ann | February 16, 2008, 7:55 am 7:55 am

Webb Armstrong: First, I’m a Black guy who is determined to vote for Hillary on the basis I think she’s the right person for the job in these challenging times for the USA.
Second, your comparison below is way off base. If you want to head in that direction don’t leave out the Whites such as Jimmy Swaggart and James Bakker who whittled millions of cash for unsuspecting believers pockets and used it for immoral purposes. Or the all time glib tongue Adolph Hitler who was responsible for far more deaths than Jim Jones would even imagine. Obama’s race has nothing to do with this except in your racist mind. I believe all politicians are liars. That’s why I’m an Independent. I opt to vote for the lesser evil and the one I think fits the times. Consequently, I’ve voted for the likes of Reagan twice despite disagreeing with much of him and his cronies, Jimmy Carter before him, I even voted for Kerry because instinct told me Bush had economic empiric and personal grievance (Iraq attempt on his father’s life) aims which was going to drag us into another unwinnable mess sooner or later. Now, I’m a lock for a Hillary presidency because I think we need both a steady hand at the helm that can assemble a team that can help the USA recover both economically and in global credibility and perhaps abate some of the growing hatred toward this country which if not stopped we will see it is more than just the Muslim extremist arrayed against us. Attitudes like yours is why so many nation despise us, it’s not jealousy as Bush tries to sell the public on–but ingrained racist and disrespect for others like yours that’s the cause. Nations that once cowed before the USA are now saying enough, and so many of them are saying it that don’t be surprised if a “coalition” is marshaled to either militarily or economically crush us as happened to Nazi Germany. Don’t laugh, China could do this economically now due to our overwhelming trade imbalance and debt with this if they decided to do so. But they’ll wait until the have a either military and economic partiality or superiority. It was our distance and money that beat Germany. Had we shared the continent with them, they’d have whipped our rear ends and made us like it. China has learned from the past. People like you, darn well better before the hatred grows deeper.
Many may have forgotten,or choose to forget that in the not too distant past there was once a charismatic, glib of tongue young black man that convinced many people that he was their salvation.Does anyone remember Jim Jones,or the horror of Jonestown? In the large scale this may seem small but I fear that if we support someone purely because of his charisma instead of substance we as a nation will be making the same mistake as those poor souls in Jonestown.Vote Clinton by: webb armstrong

Posted by: Jason Wynngard | February 16, 2008, 8:01 am 8:01 am

Hey Webb,
Speaking of history…Jim Jones was NOT a black man. He was as white as a lily. Talk about out and out racism in this election.

Posted by: popopie | February 16, 2008, 8:16 am 8:16 am

HI DEM. DONT YOU THINK WE SHOULD BE PULLING TOGETHER AT THIS TIME OF IMPORTANCE. THERE ARE REP. THAT WE HAVE TO VOTE OUT, WE CANT TAKE ANOTHER FOUR YEARS OF A REP. CAN WE. LET US PULL TOGETHER AND HELP GET A SEN CLINTON AND SEN. OBAMA ON THE SAME TICKET FOR PRESADANT AND VICE PRESADANT AND WIN FOR THE NEXT FOUR YEARS. I VOTED FOR SEN CLINTON, BUT I BELIEVE EATHER SEN CLINTON OR SEN. OBAMA WOULD BE A GOOD PRESADANT AND I KNOW IF WE RAE TO BEET THE REP. US DEM. WILL HAVE TO PULL TOGETHER

Posted by: ALVIN | February 16, 2008, 8:18 am 8:18 am

We, the voters, and the pundits ad weel, woulk like to know the lives, works, and past history of presidential candidates. Barack Obama’s life has to be scrutinized and made piublic. As we have experienced with the Kennedys, Bushes, and the Clintons.
In the official senate webpage, Obama’s personal profile states the minute
and compacted life’s history
“… he hwas bown in Hawaii in 1961 and\gradiuated at Columbia University in 1983….” There is a 22-year gap
of Mr. Obama’life. Can he elaborate for more. What did he do after 1963? As a so-called community organizer, name specific
organizations of neighborhoods, and among the junkies too, and cases that he handled as civil rights lawyer?>
The 22 year gap in life should be accounted to the american people.
CHANGE.HOPE.THE ARE JUST POLITICAL
CAMPAIGN COME ONS. Remember: “read my lips; i am a uniter not a divider; i did not have sex with that woman; etc.
.

Posted by: FMagno | February 16, 2008, 8:18 am 8:18 am

Yes, Mr. Clinton, you did some good things when you were president. It’s interesting that you and Hillary are distancing yourselves from NAFTA. NAFTA was a Reagan-era screw job for Mexico. Both Reagan and Bush 1 couldn’t get it past a Democratic Congress. But you and a Republican controlled Congress got it done. So American manufacturers send a lot of jobs south, where they paid workers a few pennies an hour. They kept retail prices the same, however, and pocketed the extra profit. Then, when Asian labor markets started opening, they suttered their Mexican factories and Moved them to Aisa, where they now pay pennies per week. We know the truth: free trade agreements are about exploiting the poor and ignorant so that an elite few can increase their personal wealth. Everyone but the elite suffers. How much money was transferred to a numbered Swiss bank account for you, Mr. President?

Posted by: Will | February 16, 2008, 8:19 am 8:19 am

Start Quote–Hey Webb,
Speaking of history…Jim Jones was NOT a black man. He was as white as a lily. Talk about out and out racism in this election.
End Quote–
Popopie, I’m not Webb myself just want to say you’re right. I left out that fact when I responded to Webb. Thanks for the reminder. It just goes to show how blind some people choose to be. Operative word is “choose”.

Posted by: Jason Wynngard | February 16, 2008, 8:27 am 8:27 am

What would be the legacy of the Clinton Administration if 9-11 would have occurred in 1995 instead? Though I don’t defend President Bush’s arrogance and compulsive need to always be right (and other perceived faults), a horrendous act of terrorism did occur during his watch – one that the Clintons never had to deal with. Hillary and Bill can tout their legacy of a “peaceful” 8 years all they want but would they just have rolled over and played dead if 9-11 had occurred during their watch?

Posted by: genlin | February 16, 2008, 8:27 am 8:27 am

Yes, Al Gore will be the party’s Nominee and Hillary will be Big Al’s running mate. Obama needs to spend 12 more years in the Senate to gain experience and establish a record of accomplishment. What poetic justice for Big Al to be the Nominee and become the Presidient. Having the election of 2000 stolen from him, Big Al will now have the opportunity to fix the foreign and domestic this president has created. God Bless American and God Bless Al Gore for his unselfish service to this Great Nation. Happy Days are Here Again.

Posted by: benvictor | February 16, 2008, 8:37 am 8:37 am

Bill Clinton did not assail Obama. Stop the nonsense. The black superdelegates have moved to Obama because they simply want a brother in the White House. Nothing more and nothing less. Stop making up lies. The blacks simply want a brother in the White House. The Clintons aren’t stupid. Stop twisting things to make it look like the Clintons are at fault for the black superdelegates disloyalty to them.

Posted by: Doreen | February 16, 2008, 8:50 am 8:50 am

Bills rants have made me realize the negative partisanship that arose during the 90′s that has contributed nothing to the country and we are better off to leave it in the past.
Bill’s introduction of race is a fallback to a segregated past. If he did really believe DR. King he would be battling Obama on his character, not his skin color.
In the Raleigh paper today, a NC super delegate disclosed an email from a Hillary working stating that as a man he was raised and nutured by a woman and he shoudl support a woman now. Blantly sexism. so the only rationale for supporting Hillary is she is a woman. We need to ask the content of her character and I am afraid we will not like it.
Lets us not go back to the partisan battles, racism, sexism and the politics of hate. We need a new generation who has moved beyond these battles and are realzing the Dream. Mr. & Mrs. Clinton..America is ready to move beyond your mean spiritied tactics.

Posted by: scott jeffries | February 16, 2008, 8:56 am 8:56 am

America stop your fear NOW!
You can no longer live yesterday.

Posted by: Greg | February 16, 2008, 8:59 am 8:59 am

genlin (post 8:27am) Since history repeats itself, the answer to your question is ‘Yes.’ Little was done re terrorism during Clinton #1 was cited in the 9/11 commission. Just one of the failures leading up to 9/11. Which happened a short 9 months into GWs presidency. I’m not in any way defending GW, but this country didn’t turn sour and AlQuida did not start planning the attack the day GW took office.

Posted by: dream on | February 16, 2008, 9:11 am 9:11 am

The only candidate able to get along without all the disputes in Congress and the Senate is McCain! He also is the only one with that important quality EXPERIENCE!!

Posted by: M. Summer | February 16, 2008, 9:16 am 9:16 am

It’s an interesting argument being put forth from some quarters recently: We shouldn’t vote for Obama because other people may be voting for Obama. Hmmm…. That does not sound, to me, like the way to win an election, much less create a new majority.
But then that may just be my political naivite speaking.

Posted by: drew | February 16, 2008, 9:18 am 9:18 am

I wonder why the man that a lot of Americans still view as one of the good guys continues to rapidly flush his reputation down the toilet? Just be quiet already.

Posted by: Debra | February 16, 2008, 9:20 am 9:20 am

Hate to say this, but Bill Clinton is so right. Obama is not going to do accomplish anything without the support from the right. He’s too Liberal and he will be crushed in November…from a BLACK MAN!

Posted by: Justin | February 16, 2008, 9:28 am 9:28 am

Hillary, less than 2 weeks ago, you said you would make sure Bill stop this.
My grandfather raised me to expect more from the leaders of America.

Posted by: Juanita | February 16, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am

Anyone who is voting for Clinton and believes she has your best interests at heart should read this first.If Hillary wins in 2008 she will eventually leave office after one or two terms. Then she and Bill will get two presidential retirement checks, one Senate retirement check, and a retirement check from the State of Arkansas.Hillary comes under the Congressional Retirement and Staffing Plan which means that even if she never gets re-elected, she still receives her Senate salary until she dies and that’s after only 4 years. If Bill outlives her, he gets her salary until he dies and vice versa.It’s common knowledge that in order for Hillary to establish NY residency, she and Bill purchased a million dollar estate. And they are both entitled to Secret Service protection for life. Here’s the interesting item, an extra residence was built on the property at their NY residence and they charge the Federal Gov. $10,000 a month rent for the Secret Service to use it. $10,000 a month is also the mortgage payment on the entire property….what a coincidence. This means that we the taxpayers are paying the Clintons salary, retirement, mortgage, and security. Who says public service is a burden.

Posted by: Dave Peck | February 16, 2008, 9:48 am 9:48 am

If Mrs. Clinton can squander 140 million dollars on a campaign that was once a slam dunk, but is now hanging by a thread, just imagine what she’ll do with your tax dollars as President! Quite simply, Mrs. Clinton’s campaign has been a mess. If it’s any indication, the country would be too under her leadership.

Posted by: Erik | February 16, 2008, 9:49 am 9:49 am

Listen up, America: Sure, we want change. The past 7 years have seen the U.S. take several steps backward economically, socially, and in matters of foreign affairs. This is not because of Hillary and Bill. It’s becuase of GEORGE! The Clinton administration gave us fiscal responsibility, a budget surplus, and – if Hillary had not been foiled and demonized by the Republicans and the health insurance industry – could have given us a national healthcare program. Words are cheap, and Obama is good at saying the right words. But to effect real change, you HAVE TO be able to work withing the system. You can’t go in like a bill in a china shop, thinking that, because your ideas are “right,” you can bulldoze them through, just because the American people want them. Politics don’t work that way, Barack, and you’re very naive to think that you can effect the changes without a lot of resistance. Who is best able to work against the resistance? Someone who knows the system, and has “played” within the system, and still been effective. No matter who is elected President, he or she is not going to be able to get everything he or she wants for America. Politics is, sadly (sometimes), compromise. The trick is to get as much of what YOU want, while limiting the (presumably) inferior ideas of the “other side.” Admittedly, Barack is an inspirational speaker, who is playing on the public’s desire for change from the Bush fiasco years. He has succeeded in transferring the public’s distaste for Bush onto Hillary and, although that’s politics too, I think it’s reprehensible. But, IF YOU LISTEN TO HIM, he says a lot of pretty words, but there’s really very little there of substance. Hillary’s speeches are less “pretty,” because they talk about the issues, which aren’t “pretty.” I’m just constantly amazed that the American public is allowing itself to be dragged down the garden path by someone who has very little of real substance to say.

Posted by: lynofoz | February 16, 2008, 9:50 am 9:50 am

Summer–If it’s specific policy guidance you seek from Barack Obama, then you should check his website to find strategy and detailed policies for over 24 facets of American life from Iraq to Iowa. Who would have thought of that? For the people who’ve had such a tough time trying to determine his policy and stance on issues, you really don’t need a college degree to exercise simple logic.
If it’s experience you seek, let’s not forget that President George W. Bush, who spent five years as Governor of Texas, whose brother was Governor of Florida, whose father was Vice-President for eight years and President for four, who was President himself for four years, has in his last and final term shows us that in 2008 that choice to re-elect him has only made our country weaker and more divided, economically, politically, and socially than our generation has ever witnessed. Cleary, this wealth of experience has served the country well. And for those who would claim Hillary Clinton’s First Lady experience as experience, then you should nominate Monica Lewinsky because she has at least equal claim to that. Character and integrity are the most important virtues a President should posses. Give me a smart and experience person with no ethical roots and I’ll give you a disaster. Kenneth Lay, Richard Nixon, Resident Bush—I could go on and on.
If its change you seek, let see what change Mrs. Clinton has accomplished in her “35 years of experience”
Hillary Rodham Clinton 35 years ago would have been 25 years old–She was still in law school until she was 26–Not much change there.
After graduation from Yale in 1974 she moved to AK went to work for Rose law firm, sometimes dubbed “the ultimate establishment law firm,” due to its avid representation of large corporations and was eventually made into full partner in 1979—No change there
Until she became first lady in 1992, Hillary Clinton sat on the board of directors of TCBY and Wal-Mart, both clients of her “establishment” law firm—No changes so far
I have to stop there because the corruption, scandal, and political deception are so convoluted and have already been hashed out several times over the years. However, trying to reach a positive note, Hillary Clinton did try to reform the health care system in our country–a worthy and commendable task, but her effort are said to have ultimately ended in failure because of a lack of transparency in the talks. Always private, always backroom. Coincidentally, this is also how our recent energy policy was formed with Resident Bush, Cheney, and the heads of major oil companies which I think still have been kept private.–I’m going to have to say no change there.
Sure, this isn’t everything and many things have been left out but these truly are the most notable and primary endeavors of her life until she became a U.S. Senator, which I haven’t followed closely. All I’ve seen so far is 35 years of self-service and 18 years of corporate service with a few rose petals thrown in between.
But if you want to see real change occurring already generated by Obama take this for example. Before the Iowa caucus, when Obama was short of Union support, he called the Service Employees International Union who endorsed Edwards, a “shadowy” monetary organization that used money like a PAC or 527 groups to influence politics. “You’ve got these outside groups that are helping out candidates and it’s a way of getting around the campaign finance laws,” said Obama, who does not take money from lobbyists, Political Action Committees (PACs), or 527 groups. Well the SEIU has now decided to endorse Obama instead of Clinton, whose political campaign has benefitted from lobbyists, PACs, and 527 groups. Hillary Clinton can’t say her campaign is supported by special interest groups. The SEIU made the choice to change their actions and support a candidate that told them to change their ways. That’s not rhetoric–that’s real change. And he’s not even President yet.

Posted by: Mannewell Darby | February 16, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am

I’ll be interested in that land. Is it located in Whitewater, AR?
I remember the 90′s very well. US soldiers’ beaten and burnt corpses being dragged through the streets and Clinton ordering the military out instead of retaliating. Cruise missiles sent to blow up milk factories to make up for losses of two embassies. A country consumed by political warfare and a president who cared more about where to place his cigar than rise of islamic lunatics. Before there was Clinton, no one knew who Rush was or what is a Gnewt?…. Before Clinton, O’Reily was actually at NBC. Polarization started with a Clinton in office and I wonder if it will end with another Clinton in office? Mr. President, retire in dignity when there is still 1% left.

Posted by: ctom2008 | February 16, 2008, 10:00 am 10:00 am

agree Hilary Clinton is very experienced. Lets revisit some of her experience. Hillary’s experience is:
1) turning $1000 into $100000 in cattle futures while working for the Rose law firm. She received tips from James B. Blair who was outside counsel for Tyson Foods in Arkansas. In one day she made over $10,000 on day trading which would point to insider knowledge from within Tyson Foods.
Washington Post
(Please check my references if you like.)
2) to Whitewater, a 1980s land deal that went bad and revealed that 1) Bill Clinton exerted pressure on an Arkansas businessman, David Hale, to make an illegal loan that would benefit him and the owners of Madison Guaranty; and 2) that an Arkansas bank had concealed transactions involving Clinton’s gubernatorial campaign in 1990.
3) to Travelgate, the 1993 firing of seven longtime employees of the travel office, which handles travel arrangements for reporters and television crews covering the president. Hillary Rodham Clinton, who is alleged to have pressured White House lawyers into dismissing the travel office staff and bringing in the FBI to investigate them, so that friends of the First Family could enjoy the office’s patronage spoils.
Columbia Journalism Review/New York Observer
4) In the aftermath of the apparent suicide (yes, it gets ugly!) of her former partner and closest confidant, White House Deputy Counsel Vincent Foster, Hillary Clinton ordered the overturn of an agreement to allow the Justice Department to examine the files in the dead man’s office. Her closest friends and aides, under oath, have been blatantly disremembering this likely obstruction of justice, and may have to pay for supporting Hillary’s lie with jail terms.
New York Times
5) In August 2000, during her first Senate run, Clinton met with the Hasidic community in New Square, where many members were working to obtain clemency for four members of their community who had been convicted of stealing tens of millions of dollars from the state and federal government.
She refused to talk about the controversial pardons of the four New York Hasidic Jews by her husband. New Square voted 1359-10 for the first lady – although other nearby Hasidic enclaves voted 3480-152 for Clinton’s GOP opponent, former Rep. Rick Lazio.
New York Times
6) Hillary Clinton’s brother Hugh Rodham , was paid approximately $200,000 from Almon Glenn Braswell, whom President Clinton pardoned for mail fraud and perjury, as was Carlos Vignali, whose sentence for cocaine trafficking was commuted. News of his involvement in the pardon controversy prompted an outrage in Washington, D.C.
“I knew nothing about my brother’s involvement in these pardons,” Sen. Clinton said at the time. “I knew nothing about his taking money for his involvement.”
The Clintons asked Hugh Rodham to return the cash, which he did.
Time Magazine
7) Hillary Clinton’s brother Tony Rodham was paid $244,769 over 2½ years by a carnival company, United Shows of America, owned by Edgar and Vonna Jo Gregory. The Gregorys had been convicted of bank fraud and were seeking pardons. Tony Rodham has said he mentioned their pardon application to his brother-in-law, who ultimately granted the Gregorys a pardon. But Rodham said he was not paid for anything having to do with the pardon.
Boston Globe
8) Peter Paul has business relationship with Clintons that goes bad. Clintons steal one of his clients and he retaliates turning Clinton in for violating campaign regulations during a fundraiser he held for her to the tune of $1 million. The FEC formally determined that Hillary Clinton’s Senate campaign treasurer, Andrew Grossman is legally responsible for the three false FEC reports that Hillary’s finance director, David Rosen, was criminally charged and tried for in mid-2005. Mr. Grossman signed a “Conciliation Agreement” with the FEC on December 13, 2005, admitting his culpability, and agreeing to pay a civil fine and amend his false reports to reflect the $721,000 that he failed to report since October, 2000.
Wall Street Journal
9) Pastor Got $1.5 Million in Clinton Earmarks Before Endorsement
Widely reported
10) Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton gives large earmarks of $1 billion in government-backed financing for a development project called Destiny. Robert Congel, the owner of Destiny, then turned around and financed and campaigned for her.
Robert J. Congel Congel, his family and associates affiliated with his development have donated $40,000 to Clinton’s state and national campaigns since she first ran for office in 1999.
Congel co-hosted a Syracuse fundraiser for her, an event said to have raised an additional $50,000. Lobbying firms hired by Congel in connection with Destiny and other ventures also donated more than $200,000 to various Clinton campaign funds, records show.
LA Times
11) New School, which received $1.6 million in earmarks in this year’s defense budget and $6 million previously, is particularly well-connected. Its president, former Sen. Bob Kerrey (D-Neb.), campaigned for Clinton in Iowa. Three school trustees are among Clinton’s most prominent backers, having each raised at least $100,000 for her campaign. A former trustee is Norman Hsu, who was indicted on fraud charges. After Hsu’s criminal past was revealed last summer, Clinton returned $850,000 he raised for her.
LA Times
12) to falsely attacking Obama as a pro-life candidate for voting “present” in New Hampshire.
13) Her husband Bill Clinton says he consulted her on every major decision. Does that include Rwanda, and his decision to stand by and watch genocide kill hundreds of thousands of people? She is firmly entrenched with Bill and the establishment, at best a dirty politician who knows everything there is to know about our political system. A vote for her is a vote for the status quo. The Republicans are so sure she is the next Democratic nominee that there’s even a movie set to release.
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15) btw Bill Clinton, an experienced sexual predator, at least half a dozen rapes or assaults on women reported.

Posted by: Damon B Flowers | February 16, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am

If Obama’s ideas are all about style and not substance, why is it that his & Clinton’s senate collegues have all endorsed Obama? (Many prominent former Clintion allies have have also endorsed Obama) Obama is the type of intelligent, charismatic leader you see once or twice in a lifetime. He’s completely outmaneuvered the very formidable Clinton machine. He does have a grand vison but I sense that he’s also very practical and adroit and will be a more effective leader than Clinton. The Clintons had their day in the sun and now need to go quietly away.

Posted by: CAP67 | February 16, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am

I find the CLinton Mob to be absolutely repugnant. I cannot stand the lying, cheating smirk on Billy’s face. He is a has-been that should retire frome the public scene.She isn’t any better. They are dishonest and have no morals. They do not even know what honesty is.They are squirming now because they took money from the big corporations and the lobbyists. The Clintons will have to face “payback” time. How are they going to deal with that? I can tell you–at the expense of the American people. They think we are stupid enough to believe everything they say. Well,I will not fall for their corrupted schemes. Obama ’08

Posted by: CS3539 | February 16, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am

Wow. You guys are really late to the punch – Jake. This contradiction between Bill’s current running theme and his previous ones is so last month. And if Bill has some land to sell me… well, let’s just say Bill’s judgment in falied land deals makes his comment even more ironic. If that specific construction wasn’t made intentionally then he’s an even greater exercise in self-parody than I thought.

Posted by: Zarathustra | February 16, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am

I don’t see what everyone is getting upset about. This is his opinion and it was not an attack. He is saying two things: 1) we have a candidate running oa campaign that is attempting to distance themselves from anything that happened in the 1990s and in the past 7 year–good or bad, and 2)if you think the next president will not have fights then we are being naive. Of course everything will not be a fight. Bill is just stating an opinon and he is challenging us to “think for ourselves” when it comes time to vote. For example, what I get out of this is to ask myself the question “is it true that a president can be effective if they distance themselves from the 1990s and the last 7 years?” the other question I can ask myself “is it true if we elect someone that is running on a promise of hope and unity that they won’t have any fights?” These are good questions to ponder rather than falling into the trap to believe the rhetoric of the campaigns.

Posted by: Terry | February 16, 2008, 10:31 am 10:31 am

Why won’t the Clintons just throw in the towel and realize that America is disgusted with them and everything that they represent? Bill is going to have to give lots of speeches to pay back their campaign debts. On the other hand, the Clintons are not known for their honesty or reliability so they’ll probably just stiff their creditors. Good riddance!

Posted by: Alexander Kutzhisnutzoff | February 16, 2008, 10:32 am 10:32 am

Its time for a REAL change, its time for Senator Clinton.

Posted by: rar47 | February 16, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am

If Oprah Winfrey gets her dirty hands on this White House, help us all. The troll of trolls will humiliate this nation as it has never been humiliated before.
To all you voters out there……be careful of what you wish for. A vote for Senator Obama is most certainly a vote for Winfrey broadcasting her crap from the Oval Office.

Posted by: OWO | February 16, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am

Well, interestingly enough, someone who was part of the “90s club”, Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick, has decided to vote for and stump for Obama. You should note that Patrick is a liberal who is irritating the Massachusetts resident as he has come out with a plan to give ILLEGAL immigrants reduced college tuition. Vote for Obama, you’ll get that liberal agenda of Winfrey and Patrick. Anyone but Obama 2008!

Posted by: Grim Reaper | February 16, 2008, 10:41 am 10:41 am

Only rarely do I agree with Bill Clinton’s recent tirades, but in this case, he’s correct. Obama was still a “kid” in the 1990′s; how COULD he be a part of any political process then? All his political “experience” has been since the turn of the century. I am upset with Bill Clinton for destroying Hillary’s chance to be President. His desperation to get back in the White House has wrecked her campaign. As a result, we will now find out if charisma is all it takes to be an EFFECTIVE President.

Posted by: rmberryman | February 16, 2008, 10:41 am 10:41 am

everyone seems to be piling on the Clintons and quick to judge them about honesty and integrity. Well if you want to make the issue about honesty and integrity then why don’t you do some research on Obama and Rezko? Why don’t you do some research on Obama and Larry Sinclair (youtube)? Then come back here and tell us that Obama has been honest. He hasn’t come close to being honest about anything and he media is involved in the cover up. The media is unwilling to research it or report on it…they have given Obama a pass. He doesn’t have to be accountable or responsible for his actions because he is better than everyone else. All the other candidates do not get the same pass. do you wonder why? I challenge you do your own research and then carefully consider why the media is covering this stuff up. Then ask yourself why would you vote for someone that has control of the media and where you won’t find the truth out?

Posted by: Terry | February 16, 2008, 10:41 am 10:41 am

Florida will be the deciding factor and will vote for McCain. People are mad because they will not let their delegates vote. Howard Dean has to go for the democrats to control again. I predict we will lose democrats in the senate and house.

Posted by: barefootboy | February 16, 2008, 10:42 am 10:42 am

There were good things about the 90s? Billy Clinton sure got his share of the good things and avoided responsibility for all the crap that he perpetrated against this country. Reward him and his moll if you dare. What next? Chelsea inherits by divine right?

Posted by: Commonsense | February 16, 2008, 10:45 am 10:45 am

NEWSFLASH….
Hilary is running for the presidency NOT Bill. Will Bill sit in on cabinet meetings too?

Posted by: Colin | February 16, 2008, 10:45 am 10:45 am

And this sort of negative attack machine by Hillary’s surrogate is exactly why I am leaning toward voting for anyone except her.
Did anyone doubt she would turn negative as soon as Obama began winning?
Rather than campaign on her strengths and let us compare candidates on that basis, she has her staff making silly remarks like this one. No, Obama wasn’t part of the Clinton Washington in the 90s, but isn’t that the point? He wasn’t tainted by the politics of the period and so offers an option of voting for change from business as usual–and business as exemplified from the past.
If Hillary wants to sway me, she has to do so without misappropriating Obama’s message and without going negative.

Posted by: Kira | February 16, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am

Howard Dean? Now THERE”S a name I haven’t heard for a long, long time. Is he still around? “Madman Dean”… he does to the Democrats what the Religious Right does to the Republicans!

Posted by: rmberryman | February 16, 2008, 10:47 am 10:47 am

The only thing more horrific than “The Yankees in Georgia” is “Orca in the White House”.

Posted by: OWO | February 16, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am

I find it really funny. Though I am not big fan of Bill, he’s on to something. Now, the argument is Obama has been a lawyer (when it became to be honorable to be one?), community organizer and Illinois senator. All this is good. Now, in concrete terms, what exactly has he done in each of this positions to warrant elevation to presidency of the USA?
Last time I checked, while Illinois senator, Mr. Obama voted “present”, not “for” or “against,” on all important issues. Now he can conveniently take any side he wants to ….
Yes he is young, yes he is African-American, yes he can make empty and rallying speeches …. so?
Bill is on to something …

Posted by: G-man | February 16, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am

Colin, you asked a GOOD question! It’s hard to imagine Bill Clinton (who never met a spotlight he didn’t like) staying uninvolved in the Presidential process if Hillary gets elected. But, thanks to Bill’s ability to make someone angry every time he steps up to a microphone, Hillary’s chances for election get weaker with each passing day.

Posted by: rmberryman | February 16, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am

Look at what Bubba said: “What in the hell was offensive or inaccurate?”
He was dead on. Obama is distancing himself from the last twenty years of American politics. Well, I’m A Republican who recognizes that post-1994, Bill Clinton did a lot of good things, namely, he stayed the hell out of the economy and worked with the GOP to run a pretty tight-economic ship.
If you Obamaniacs can’t take this type of criticism, what in the hell are you crybabies going to do when you get hit full force in the general? I can guarantee that we Republicans are going to throw the kitchen sink at this big-government, Moveon.org, Manchurian candidate.
You better get ready for some dirt and learn to stop crying and hiding behind Barry’s race. At some point, Barry is going to have to defend his own pathetic record instead of just relying on his personality.

Posted by: stickety | February 16, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am

The day that Mr. Clinton looked directly into the camera – and lied to the American people – was the day that I completely lost respect for him.
He should not be permitted to re-enter the White House – at taxpayer expense.
Yesterday’s – gone.

Posted by: redcat | February 16, 2008, 10:58 am 10:58 am

Look how divisive the Clintons are. This blog is a good example. The problem is that they have no class and no soul. They would like to have both, but do not. Listen to Hillary’s speeches – totally dead.

Posted by: disambiguates | February 16, 2008, 10:58 am 10:58 am

We Need to know Much More About Obama! Just Google Larry Sinclair … Learning More Every Day! Needs to be Looked into… This guy has a Lawsuit against Obama?

Posted by: astutevoter | February 16, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am

Bill Clinton has not hurt his wife’s campaign at all. He should keep at it. Obama should not be getting any free rides from the media. He needs to be scrutinized just as anybody else. He can say anything he wants, even lie, and get away with it. However, when someone call him on the line for his inadequacies, the media doesn’t like it. Stop being biased for Obama and be fairer to Hillary. She would be the best President.

Posted by: Doreen, Buffalo Grove, IL | February 16, 2008, 11:02 am 11:02 am

I Want A Democrat in the White House! We Can’t afford To Take Much More Of this Hatred And Devisivness …. Even George Barkley Spoke Out Against The Republicans Last Night On CNN.. We Just Have to Sure Obama Has been Vetted and Looked into… How Much Do we Know About Him? Really!!!! This Larry Sinclair issue is Scary… They Have to Take This Guy( Larry Sinclair) To Task….

Posted by: astutevoter | February 16, 2008, 11:04 am 11:04 am

The progress of the 1990s was due to the people who labored on the Internet and the personal computer. Clinton had nothing to do with that. NAFTA pulled the plug on the 1990s. Clinton did do that and sold out the American people – and Mexican labor as well.

Posted by: disambiguates | February 16, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am

It’s funny, everytime anybody from the Clinton’s camp says something about Obama, it is reported as a negative attack. But when Obama and his surrogate say something bad about the Clintons, they are reported as “Obama slams the Clintons”.
Why is the media not following on the story that Black politicians are being threatened of their political office if they support Hillary Clinton. It is a fact that Black politicians have been put on notice that they would be defeated in any election if they support Hillary. Black politicians are in congress because of the black votes. They are not about to lose their seat in congress because of a white lady. That seems understandable but it also tells me that folks don’t have strong principles.
Why is the media not investigating this? Can you imagine if it is the Clintons doing this kind of thing? You know that would be reported everyday.
We are going to have another 4 to 8 years of ineptitude again if Obama wins. His speeches will not solve America problem.

Posted by: SAMO | February 16, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am

Cease and desist. Al Gore will be the party’s Nominee and Hillary Big Al’s running mate. Obama gets sent back to the Senate for 12 years to gain experience and establish a record of accomplishment. Fate and justice will make Big Al the President to fix the foreign and domestic mess caused by the president. While the 2000 election was stolen, Mr. Gore through his unselfish service to this Great Nation will again serve this Nation. God Bless America and God Bless Al Gore. Happy Days are Here Again.

Posted by: benvictor | February 16, 2008, 11:10 am 11:10 am

This ish is getting dirtier each day, one guy staying the course and pretty much winning with the same message he had from start, and the other camp just doing “anything they can” flip – flopping when it’s convenient. problem with hrc, her messages has not been consistent, it changes week to week depending on the situation. i am not campaigning 4 anyone, but last time i checked, obamas messages of change have been consistent from day one.

Posted by: akin | February 16, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am

Claims by Senator Clinton that words are cheap denotes an envy of the skills of Senator Obama when he delivers stirring speeches with a booming voice in comparison with her high and annoying pitch with words, yes, just words, that cannot be claimed to be “actions”. Does Senator Clinton have a better way to communicate her intended policies by means other than talking or in writing that cannot be dismissed as “cheap”?

Posted by: j.moreno | February 16, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am

Regarding Bill’s polarizing comments and the hyper-partisan 90s he wants us to return to, some Democrats get the problem with this mindset and many (usually Hillary’s supporters) don’t. The problem is that Hillary’s supporters are so enamored of the vindictiveness they feel toward Republicans that they don’t see how self-destructive it is. Partisanship is a two-way street, and Bill and Hill’s approach in making every battle with the Republicans a political or personal one led to the Democrats losing both houses of Congress after sixty years and losing the presidential election of 2000. Gore may have won the popular vote but after a SUCCESSFUL presidency, there’s no way it should have been that close a race.
This is where their partisanship got them.
There are intelligent ways of winning arguments against your opposition and then there are personalized, self-destructive ways of doing that. Obama appeals personally to the unity of the country and many Republicans like that. That’s a good thing. He also restricts his political disagreements with Republicans to an intellectual, rather than an ideological level. Again, that’s also a good thing. These are lessons in a civil government. Clinton’s supporters might not understand them, they might not respect them. But the result will be continuing to engage a self-defeating hatred and igniting an opposition that retaliates with the same “politics of personal destruction” that Clinton decries – even while he refuses to keep his disagreements civil, respectful and constructive. If that’s what the Democrats want this year, I’m sure they’ll get it.

Posted by: Zarathustra | February 16, 2008, 11:19 am 11:19 am

The 90’s — philandering, lying and a woman who “stood by her man” – good times… Hillary Clinton 2008, just more of the same.

Posted by: good times | February 16, 2008, 11:22 am 11:22 am

Why would anyone want to a rerun of Bill Clintor and Hilary Clinton? I live throught the clinton years when he was president and she was first lady. Let take a look at a sad blast from the Past. Clinton years full of scandals, Whitewater,Allegations of affairs. one of his accussers attempted to sue him while he was a sitting president an embarssment to all americans around the world. He raise taxes, He signed NAFTA in Law, Causing Millions of Workers to lose their jobs to outsourcing for cheap labor at the expense of hard working families in this country.Bill Clinton Embarrassed this country and was almost IMPEACHEd for an alleged affair with a young women in the white House. He pardon Known criminals. Finally i cannot forget the David Karesh event where many innocent childern died in waco Texas. Should I go on………. Time will not permit all of the negative. Why would anyone want a rerun of Bill and Hilary Clinton?

Posted by: Another Ron | February 16, 2008, 11:28 am 11:28 am

Democrats must unite!
All this division is playing into the hands of Karl Rove…no, he didn’t resign from the White House to write books. He slithered back into private life to do what he did for GW. WIN THE WHITE HOUSE. If he could win it for GW, all the easier for McCain. First, you divide the Democrats. Second, get them to nominate the weakest for the slaughter. Please, don’t let this happen. The Republicans want Obama to win. The Rove machine will have the time of its life defining Obama their way. Obama will go into defensive mode and will never get his message out (if he has one). Talk of change WILL NOT get him elected in November! If we unite as a Democratic Party and work together, we could control the White House for the next 16 years. Hillary Clinton – President, Barack Obama – Vice President, John Edwards – Attorney General (even better Supreme Court Judge), Bill Richardson – Secretary of State or Ambassador at large (we need someone to clean up this mess in the Middle East that’s been created by the White House Neocon’s). In eight years Barack will have the experience to be President.
We stand at the crossroads…will we look to the future of America and the future of our party, or do we play into the hands of the Rove machine. You better believe it’s cranking in the background and when it starts spewing forth all its disinformation, half truths, and outright lies we better have the strongest candidate to face it head on. That person is Hillary Clinton.
Vote for Hillary and win our country back for the working class families of America!

Posted by: democratsrus | February 16, 2008, 11:30 am 11:30 am

Obama’s lack of record has become an in the Democratic primaries–he focuses on rhetoric, unsubstantiated claims and his messianic appeal. He also draws a contrast between himself and Hillary which is steeped in the politics of youth, of race, and of spin. His very lack of a record allows McCain to define him by July–polls to the contrary–and paint him into a corner. What Bill Clinton describes, ie, Obama’s lack of involvement with the good of the past decade and lack of initiative on the “bad” is true. The effect of Clinton’s words is blunted by his delivery. That’s all, but there are accurate never the less. Unfortunately for Hillary, McCain is already being listened to by the media with more gravitas then she on the same questions regarding Obama that she has raised time and again. Not only do I perceive a strong, strong whiff of “women don’t get the credit”, blended with an equally strong whiff of “we love a Rocky-style story” coming up from the press box. The sad truth will be when Obama is finally vetted, and potentially skewered, by the Republicans and their friendly 527s the media will be all too happy to amplify the whiff of carrion as well.

Posted by: susanc | February 16, 2008, 11:31 am 11:31 am

The good news is we’re seeing comments not solely devoted to vitriolic venting. I am actually reading some thought out questions about the candidates instead of rallying cries of fanatics. Mr. Obama’s campaign is premised on hope and uniting the nation. Yet the internet has been blanketed with such spite and hate speech from his supporters it is impossible to separate him from them. His “momentum” is born of divisiveness and unabashedly biased rhetoric devoid of policy reference. The last time we voted in the prettiest candidate over the NOBEL PEACE PRIZE winner, look what we got.

Posted by: Kris | February 16, 2008, 11:31 am 11:31 am

This dem will unite with the repub’s if Obama wins, I will vote for McCain

Posted by: mediaisallhpye | February 16, 2008, 11:36 am 11:36 am

I assume some of the “bad things” Clinton is referring to is the fact that he fiddled while al-Qaeda attacked repeatedly…. and fiddled some more leading to the death of 3,000 Americans in 2001.

Posted by: Bruce | February 16, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am

Obama doesn’t remember, maybe he was doing “nose candy” and doing business with his good friend Resko, the slumlord. The 90′s was one of the most prosperous times in our nation’s history. We had great employment, budget surplus, and our country was admired throughout the world. This proves how change should work. If Obma was aware, during the 90′s, he would realize what is possible. Obama’s hollow words is a rehash of George Bush and the buzz words from Carl Rove, Change, together we can, politics of old, and uniter. I’ll go with proven leadership.

Posted by: jake | February 16, 2008, 11:40 am 11:40 am

November newspapers headlines
Democrats help elect McCain over Obama in landslide

Posted by: barefootboy | February 16, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am

All Obamanites keep clamoring about the Clinton “negative attack machine” (I didn’t know that there was a positive attack). What about the Obama attack machine??!?! If Hilary has been vicious to him, he’s been even MORE vicious to her! Just look at his smug face.. He’s been becoming more and more arrogant lately. His hubris is utterly off putting. And I don’t understand why a Clinton’s dis should be a TOP headline, ABC! Why don’t you look into that matter concerning Obama and some other man allegeldy engaging in homosexual acts and drug use back in 1999? Whether that is true or not, I don’t know. However, I believe it should be investigated.

Posted by: VInnie | February 16, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am

For all the ‘Clintonites’ in here blogging their hearts out against Obama, you’re looking pretty desperate and juvenile. Hillary Clinton shouldn’t be in this predicament, she was the frontrunner with the money and the political power to be the nominee. The Democratic establishment anointed her even before the race started. They never expected a young man from ‘Chicago’ to come out of nowhere and challenge her seriously. Her [35] years of experience in Washington was suppose to be her [coat of arms] to shield her from any serious contender. As I might recall, people said the same thing about George W. Bush, Jr. He was tagged as just a “good ole boy“from Texas, who just happened to be a Governor. I live in San Antonio, Texas, which is not a Democratic stronghold. Texas is a very conservative state and Democrats have not always fared well here in political races because of the ‘downtrodden’ victim syndrome which purveys Democratic campaigns sometimes. To give you an example several years back, we had a [extremely] wealthy Hispanic businessman running for Governor and because the lower echelons of the party didn’t identify with him on a personal level, he never stood a chance and has disappeared into obscurity with his wealth. When will the ‘victim’ strategies of campaigns stop? Hillary is banking heavily on the Hispanic vote here in Texas, but, since Texas has never been a major player in national primaries you can’t judge Hispanics here with the voter patterns of another state. Hispanics in Texas are a varied group. You have extremely wealthy, educated and middle class Hispanics living across this state. They are more socially aware of the world at large and don’t play into the victim role. They are self made with nobody giving them anything. These are not California Hispanics by any means. They are not in favor of illegal immigration. We have a gentleman by the name ‘Quico Canseco’ who is running for congress on a platform of very tough border restrictions and customs enforcement. Again, this is not California. The Clintonites have started to run some very clever ads here in my hometown showing a relative of Cesar Chavez. This City/State does not necessarily revolving around the agricultural community. Clintonites have played to this small minority for sympathy to her campaign. Some are a little dismayed at the campaigns reasoning for letting a prominent ‘female’ Hispanic campaign manager Quote, “Resign” and replacing her with an African American woman. Sore spot here for some. In addition, Texas has really been cracking down hard on illegal immigration. They have been apprehending illegal immigrants with a detailed “ferocity.” Again, this is not California. So go ahead Clintonites and assume that all Hispanics are downtrodden victims here in Texas. We do things big in Texas and you might just get an outcome you didn’t even see coming. Losses

Posted by: dee | February 16, 2008, 11:49 am 11:49 am

Lol, pretty funny response from the Obama camp.
So this is it? Now Clinton supporters here on the internet are saying Democrats will rally with Republicans to defeat Obama?
Um, not sure about that one. Good thing the rantings we find on internet message boards rarely represent things happening in the outside world.
I’ve seen polls that show the numbers of Democrats who would be satisfied if the candidate they aren’t supporting wins. Its about the same for both, with if anything Obama actually looking in a slightly better position to rally the base.

Posted by: Paul | February 16, 2008, 11:53 am 11:53 am

The whole caucus thing was a joke. Kansas was a good example.
Kansas has about a 2/3 majority of Republican voters. Yet, almost twice as many Democrats turned out for the caucus as did Republicans. Their job: make sure Obama got the Kansas delegates.
And, I should know. There were more than a few of us who went to Democratic (open) caucuses to vote for Obama. Don’t you just love it when a plan comes together.
The problem for all you whining Democrats is that the Obama delegates from Kansas, as with many of the states he “won” are, in reality, quite worthless for consideration in November.
An overwhelming majority of Obama “wins” were in Red states that will go to Republicans in November. Clinton wins were in blue states that will go to you Democrats anyway.
Are you starting to see the big picture? All the hype and show of the Obama machine will be worthless when it comes to winning the White House. We know how to win the electoral college, and you do not.
And if any of you brainless Democrats think that the Republican Party, the Grand Old Party, will give Obama the same free ride on his past that you have up to this point, you live in a dream.
Keep up the good work, Obamites. As loyal Republicans, we thank you.

Posted by: Laughing in Kansas | February 16, 2008, 11:53 am 11:53 am

Clintonites are staking their last ditch effort to close out this nomination by debating in Texas and claiming the lion’s share of Texas delegates. Texas has become the next big ‘PRIZE.” I live in Texas. Let me tell you about the “good ole boys” here in George Bush country. Texans are really not that fond of female politicians, it’s a noted fact. Not too long ago we had a very popular, energetic, charismatic Governor by the name of Anne Richards. She could gun-sling verbally with likes of any Texas cowboy. Along came GW and Carl Rove, and when they got finished with her she was ousted in a brutal campaign. So, if the Hillary/Bill Clinton train-wreck and her bag of magicians think they can come down here and try to smooze these good ole boys, they have another thing coming. As mad as Republicans are about McCain; Texans might be looking to cross party lines and vote for another candidate. “It won’t be a woman! Trust me on that.” Your ‘Clintonian’ views of the past are just outdated and we are bored as hell with you people!

Posted by: dee | February 16, 2008, 11:57 am 11:57 am

Here goes, I know that a lot of you are not bible believers, but most if not all of you are aware of the end times verses, where he speaks of the Beast and his image, the dreaded AntiChrist, well you might want to just take a look at those verses and put them beside the facts, Obama was born into a Muslim family, he has been saying since he was 7 that he was going to be the president of the USA, Now being born in a religion doesn’t mean you follow that religion, That is what got Jesus in trouble, he step out of the bounds of his religious teachers, Ok, we know that muslim in fact have very little respect for women, the bible says that the Image and beast have very little respect for women, The bible say that all the world will praise him, well the media is planting that seed. and now we have a man that say Obama is a closet bi, which would fall in line to not having a desire for women, And yes I know he married and has kids, but there is a lot of gay people have and are married and has kids, Do I believe that Obama is the anti christ , no do I believe that he is the Image of the beast, in three in and one half years yes he will be, Hilliary will win, and Obama will be her vice president, and the next three and one half will be the best this world has every seen, but after 3 1/2 yrs Hilliary will step down, and Obama will take the reins and he will be re elected, Have you noticed that every where the election goes the weather goes crazy, and things that are rare and never happen happen, just a little food for thought. oh yeah the bible say the image of the best speak great words,

Posted by: crazyperson | February 16, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am

Why would anyone trust that Clinton’s rhetoric is less “empty” than Obama’s?
While they were both campaigning recently in DC, Obama made it to an important Senate vote on warrantless wiretapping while Clinton did not. Obama does not neglect his job as a Senator while campaigning.
Also, he helped write (and pass) the bill that publically discloses all federal spending. I think that makes him the only politician I can trust.
From Hillary, I have seen the old, filthy tactics of politics as usual: run attack ads, steal ideas, spread lies, divide America into blue states and “insignificant states…”
Obama has just not done these things.

Posted by: Tom from Tucson | February 16, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm

crazy person – now Obama is the anti-Christ? I love it. Have to admit, I didn’t see that attack coming.

Posted by: Paul | February 16, 2008, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm

Someone else posted this in another forum. I think it’s hilarious. Goes to show what has indeed changed.
“Don’t you know that we are not Allowed to criticize Obama? Those are the new rules. That is what has Changed. No, if you Dare say a negative word, or even ask what the Man plans to do to help our Economy, you are a Racist. Sheesh, people, haven’t you heard? He is a God! How dare you not bow down at the alter of Oprah”

Posted by: GoHillary08 | February 16, 2008, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm

The Clintonites are also staking claim to Hispanic voters here in Texas. However, the Hispanics here in Texas are not populated with illegals as widespread as California. Hispanics for the most part in Texas are middle class to upper class with a moderate population of poor Hispanics. Hispanics are hardworking and don’t like being associated with the immigration movement. You can’t play the down trodden game on them here. They have been staunch Republicans to this day. So don’t count your chickens just yet Clintonites.

Posted by: dee | February 16, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm

Tom from Tucson: “From Hillary, I have seen the old, filthy tactics of politics as usual: run attack ads, steal ideas, spread lies, divide America into blue states and “insignificant states… Obama has just not done these things”. You gotta be kidding?? That was REALLY funny!

Posted by: GoHillary08 | February 16, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm

Bill, Bill, Bill, silly Billy.
Dontcha know that Obama was there when the Stock Markets soared in the 90s? He was the guy ringing the bell everyday!
Barack was also there when Jesus was splitting loaves of bread. It was all his idea! Obama was there with Ghandi. It was his idea to peacefully resist! Obama was there with Martin Luther King. It was Obama who had the dream, which he then told Dr. King! Obama was there on Abbey Road. He was the fifth Beatle!
All you need is Obama! Obama is all you need! Yeah, yeah, yeah!
Vote Obama and all of your problems will magically disappear (see, Obama invented Lucky Charms too!)

Posted by: OxyCon | February 16, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm

When will the former President get it that this isn’t about him? This is a foreshadowing of what it would be like if Hillary gets into the WH – Bill going around crying, ‘No one remembers me…’
It is time for us to say, ‘We’re tired of the bullying, the whining, the tattling, the name-calling, the slandering, the constant morphing – the dirty politics, and the nasty spinning. We’re tired of Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton ad nauseam – enough already!

Posted by: mike khandjian | February 16, 2008, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm

Last year Hillary/Bill Clinton is anointed ‘frontrunner’ status for the Presidency in 08. They were well funded and had the perfect [well oiled machine] to ‘them’ to the nomination and the White House. Now here it is February 16, 2008 and millions of dollars spent and the campaign is still racing towards the finish line. Oh what a [tangle web we weave] on the eve of electing a President. She cries on the eve of the New Hampshire primary because she was afraid of losing, and she wins; albeit we are still not convinced it wasn’t a campaign tactic to play on women voters emotions. She got emotional on the eve of [Super Tuesday] which definitely seemed like it was staged. What type of campaign are you Clintonites running over there? How could you people be having money problems? [You’re the Clinton machine!] According to Clintonites, “Obama is an inexperienced senator from Illinois with no chance.” After what happened over the past [8] primaries, can you still afford to dismiss him? Bill Clinton dissed African Americans and then went on his religious road show to make up. Too little to late they’ve figured you and Hillary out now. Blacks stood strong with the Clintons thru [thick and thin] and now Clintonites disregarded them as ‘irrelevant’ because they have Hispanics on Hillary’s side. We can afford to lose the black vote and still win. “They heard you loud and clear Bill.” Clintonites are ‘collectors’, meaning they collect people that are ‘loyal’ and unimposing. The Clintonites will discard you at the blink of eye if you oppose them in any shape or form. This is a proven fact! Your campaign strategy has been all over the map, and Bill/Hillary want to be [Presidents] of this country again? The reason why you’re running out of money is, “Clintonites were planning on having this thing wrapped up with no opposition.” But the American people said, “Wait a minute, we will have a say in who will be the nominee of the Democratic Party.” I can say, “I’m an [Independent] who was going to vote Republican but changed my mind considering the choices. I switched my attention to the Democrats and started looking long and hard at my choices. The person that rose to the top was Obama. Considering the last (3) administrations in the U.S., I want a radical change in the way we do things in this country. Free-thinkers, with ‘forward’ ideas. Seems as though I’ve been in a time warp for the last (20) years. Bush1-[4-years]; Clinton-[8-years]; Bush2-[8-years]. It’s sounds as though we have [competing monarchies] vying for the crown. We can’t continue to travel down the path of politics as usual.

Posted by: dee | February 16, 2008, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm

Hate to tell you this, but if Clinton wins, Obamabots will not vote for McCain in droves.
a) Blacks would be happy to take Clinton.
b) College kids usually opt out of voting in most elections anyway, and they certainly aren’t going to vote themselves a draft.
c) Sexist white men would switch to McCain. Doesn’t sound like droves though.
Something to remember, Obamabot supporters are generally soft supporters. Clinton supporters are hard core supporter. Polls show this. And, they’d have to be, in order to willfully overlook Clinton baggage. So, a Clinton supporter who doesn’t get his/her way is also likely to vote for McCain…the elderly would go for the experienced McCain…yes, in droves.

Posted by: Sam | February 16, 2008, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm

For the record, in the 1990s, Obama was a civil rights attorney, community organizer, and was in the Illinois state senate.
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Yeah, when I think about the greatness of the 1990s, all I think about is the middling work Obama did for some obscure Chicago civil rights group and all those picnics he planned as a community organizer. I never think about the relative peace our country enjoyed or the balanced budget, the surplus or my 401k growing ten times over.

Posted by: OxyCon | February 16, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm

Obama was busy taking money from Exelon and watering down the bill they didn’t like. Or, he was busy helping Rezko, the slumlord, and taking his money.
Since he was broke just few years ago after taking in all that money, I wouldn’t trust him with my finances or the economy in general.

Posted by: Paul Lassiter | February 16, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm

Obama was busy taking money from Exelon and watering down the bill they didn’t like. Or, he was busy helping Rezko, the slumlord, and taking his money.
Since he was broke just few years ago after taking in all that money, I wouldn’t trust him with my finances or the economy in general.

Posted by: Paul Lassiter | February 16, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm

Hillary Needs to drop out of the race in order to unite the Democratic party behind Barak Obama. If she continues, she will do more damage that anyone in the history of the Democratic race.
Republicans are praying for her to win so they will have a chance to launch negative adds and proclaim her as the woman who did nothing when her husband upset the Democratic Party as President and committed adultery. They will say Hillary’s solution for married woman with husbands who play around will be to do nothing. She is the perfect example of that as her husband was known to play around (commit adultery) even before he became President.
As a Democrat, I do not want Hillary to be the nominee because of this and I am sure there are many other male voters who think like I do and would not vote at all if Hillary was declared the nominee. Do you think male voters would think the same for Obama? I haven’t seen anything to indicate someone would not vote for him.

Posted by: tom Gander | February 16, 2008, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm

No, GoHillary08, I was not kidding.
I’m saddened that each candidate is actively courting individual superdelegates, but so far that’s probably the only thing Obama has done that has really disappointed me (other than policy compromises like gay marriage).
Both Clinton and Obama have, as one MSNBC newscaster put it, “pimped out [a family member].” He got in trouble for saying it, but it’s true.

Posted by: Tom from Tucson | February 16, 2008, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm

tom gander, you are wrong. Frankly I don’t think either one of them will win in November. I think Hillary’s chances are better. Al Gore is the only one that can win for the democrats.

Posted by: barefootboy | February 16, 2008, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm

[Sam] I’m not sure where you getting your information your information from. “Blacks will not be happy to vote for Clinton if Obama loses.” Don’t get it twisted here. The Clintons have made ‘cerebral’ racist remarks towards the African American community, and they are not amused at their contrite amends. They have moved on to Hispanics as the new ‘montra-minority’ to carry them. It’s disingenuous of you to think they are that darn stupid!. The know what ‘loyalty’ and ‘integrity’ mean. Don the Clintonites? No, they bolted and went to the ‘downtrodden’ Hispanics for their votes. You don’t know the voting minds of black voters in this country, so don’t presume anything.

Posted by: dee | February 16, 2008, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm

We don’t need another 4-8 years of dynastic Presidencies. What the press does not report, and the Clintons refuse to acknowledge, is that many supporters of Obama from the Left and right want a fundamental change to new insights, new symbols, and new trajectories.
I voted for Bill Clinton in the ’92 primary and in both ’92 and ’96 general elections. I respect Hillary as a Senator and as a Democrat. She should not be President. Although not technically a violation of the 22nd Amendment, many of us are sick of the implied nepotism of the W. administration and do not want to fix it with leftist nepotism. If their roles were reversed, and now Bill was running for President on Hillary’s legacy, I would not vote for him either.
Obama is ready for the job. He’s written two well-reviewed books on American politics, served in state and national office, and done a lifetime of service work (also his campaign is in the green, suggesting fiscal responsibility). His policies are frequently indistinguishable from the Clinton platform. So the matter is one of substance, direction, and symbolism.
The GOP attack machine will disrupt and harass Clintonian policies from Day One. Obama has the capacity to bring the Congress and America together to fix our outstanding problems, most importantly the WARS and HEALTH CARE. Neither of these problems will be bludgeoned through from the Left, and the Clinton’s ability to forge coalitions is long dead.
Even more importantly, imagine the rebirth of American status when PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA announces that he will begin negotiating plans to start solving Middle Eastern issues and end the legacy of GWB unilateralism. Symbols are important in projecting our values to the world, and ensuring beneficial responses to American needs.
Our nation will be the poorer if we do not choose Senator Obama.

Posted by: AntiDisEstablishmentarianIst | February 16, 2008, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm

Republicans are dying for Barack to win. Are you kidding? Hillary should drop out the race? She’s the better candidate. Everyone knows she’s more competent- it’s just that a lot of people like Barack more. And for some reason the media has decided to back him. The truth is: People who are good are running things are not usually very likeable. I know Hillary will do great things if elected. This race has really opened my eyes to the way our country thinks about women. I can’t believe some of the things I’ve heard. Enough from me. May the best person win!!

Posted by: melanie | February 16, 2008, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm

Dee, what are you going to do? Let McCain have it because you have been misled into believing that the Clintons are racists. They are not! That is simply BS.
It is that kind of mindset that is going to put McCain into the the White House which is probably what the media are aiming for with all this baloney!

Posted by: Two-cats | February 16, 2008, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm

Since the Biblical aspect of an anti-Christ was thrown in a few posts back, consider this:
Since 1980, Yale graduates have either held the position of President or Vice President.
Hillary Clinton is a Yale graduate.
Any questions?

Posted by: Laughing in Kansas | February 16, 2008, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm

I agree with Bill Clinton, that Obama is ignoring his White House legacy. Bill Clinton did a tremendous job as President and he did “build a bridge to the 21st century” successfully.
He ensured that this country made the Y2K bug a non-issue. Everyone was worried that the Y2K bug would cause so much damage but because Bill was in office, this did not happen.
Bill Clinton left a surplus in our budget.
Bill Clinton never unfairly fired African-American judges.
There was never a war in our country during his reign.
Bill was friends with many foreign leaders and they respected him. The foreign leaders were not against him, as in this administration.
Bill Clinton appointed many African-Americans in high government positions.
Bill Clinton was good friends with the Rev. jesses Jackson and many black leaders.
He appointed the Rev. Jesse Jackson to go out to negotiate releases of soldiers held hostage.
Bill Clinton after office played a pivotal point in helping the Hurricane Katrina victims in New Orleans. He went personally to roll up his sleeves and assisted where needed.
I admired seeing him there.
Bill Clinton Always said, “I Feel Your Pain”, and he did. He ruled with passion to help people, and if you ever wrote his office, someone listened and responded back to you.
Bill Clinton had a heart as president. He would listen and help.
You know, one thing about the Republicans is that they always uphold the work of Ronald Regan. They do not put him down, even thought in many others onions he was not a good president.
Why can’t Democrats ever hold up our own and stop putting down the accomplishments of Clinton. He was a good president, and we need to stop trying to take that away.
Obama does not need to get ahead by putting Bill Clinton down. People like Obama, the yound people are too young to know what Bill Clinton did eight years ago. Obama lovers needs to “STOP HATING ON BILL”!

Posted by: CHJ | February 16, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm

if you read american history one of the most competent men who became president was herbert hoover. how did his competentcy and experience turn out?one of the least experienced or competent men was his successor FDR. you simply can not tell who will be any good before hand. the most you can do is vote and then hope that the person who wins is competent. to a great extent the president is held hostage by events.

Posted by: jim | February 16, 2008, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm

Obama absolutely picks n chooses what he wants from the past to his advantage. JFK, check. MLK, check. (read: the Sixties). Heck, even Jimmy Carter is off limits and he brokered a peace deal with Egypt and Israel. Bill Clinton? nope, not ok. Obama looks to the future but claims the past for inspiration, a little hypocritical. I don’t think it should be all or nothing, but there’s a lot of contradictions. As for Yale (Law) grads, is Laughing in Kansas calling now for a legacy, instead of Harvard Law grads? What’s the point you’re making? If anything, how about pointing out that HIllary Clinton attended a Women’s College–that speaks volumes about her commitment to women, to diversity and to really understanding the history of marginalization in this country given that women’s colleges were founded since women were not allowed in the Ivies, some school didn’t admit women until the late 1970s.

Posted by: Mir | February 16, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm

Hillary Clinton is tough, tested and ready for the Republicans. I’ve heard this all too many times only to note that she lost a substantial lead to an Obama campaign that has been accused of being whimpy, whiny and lacking substance.
Much respect to Bill and to what he has done, but his role in this campaign is deteriorating his popularity, even his wife’s. It’s disheartening to witness the misuse of such an authoritative figure to draw crowds only to deter them with irresponsible remarks.
Muslim? Sinclair? Newsom? No experience? All he can do is speak? Cult? Gay?
The childish attacks are becoming increasingly absurd and desperate. Unfortunately, it’s the attacks against Obama that highlights a certain American ignorance. It’s disappointing.

Posted by: Etienne | February 16, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm

In 90s, Bill Clinton’s sexual scandle make the greatest mockery of our country in the world. We don’t want to go back that. We want to turn the page.

Posted by: brightofeyes | February 16, 2008, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm

Bill Clinton’s shameful legacy is something the United States would do well to erase from the books. He disgraced this nation with his behavior while in the White House. He acted like a fool and embarrased every citizen in this country with his antics. Then he had the unmitigated gall to lie about it in front of us! He did very little to improve the country, had be dragged kicking and screaming to sign Welfare reform, and was simply in the right place at the right time during the “dot com” boom. He raised our taxes and spent our money foolishly. He pardoned criminals to pay off his cronies and failed miserably to deal with terrorists. U.S. interests around the globe (and here) were repeatedly attacked and he was too scared to take action. Bin Laden was handed to him “on a silver platter” by the Sudanese but he passed, and now the twin towers are gone. Nice job, slick Willie!

Posted by: Mark S. | February 16, 2008, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm

Is anybody noticing that every time White people that do not like Obama say something they mention black people in their statements? If he was not running, they would be so happy because it would be another white race and the pride would be running over their cups. White people hate the fact, black people like Obama not because he is black but he is qualified, just as much so as Hillary. Neither one of them have that much experience. She has more experience walking and waving behind a politician name Bill Clinton. They want control people’s vote and they can’t, so their solution is keep saying black people are racists. If you choose to vote for McCain because he is a White Man and I am sure there will many whites in that category. Why? He does not seem all that liked by his own party. If whites to choose to vote for Hilary because she is a White Woman that is your chose. Blacks have the same right to vote Obama if they choose to. Note Hispanics are voting for Hillary no one is saying anything. This is not your decision White People to tell people who they should vote for. Noone is calling white people racist because they talk about Obama. This stuff is in yall crazy brains. Stick with the issues and comparisons and stop going on with this black and white cramp. The media is doing it for rating. Stop whining and get on with it.

Posted by: Queen Bee | February 16, 2008, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm

Bill Clinton has go to be the BIGGEST loser along with his wife. If i where a democrat, why would i want to be attached to Monica Lewinsky, Jennifer Flowers and Paula Jones?…lol

Posted by: timmy | February 16, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm

I’m glad to see Obama actually receive a little bit of something other than constant praise. The media has made Obama with all their heavy anti-Clinton/pro-Obama reporting.
I used to be interested in Obama, but I really see him as a fake. He complains about the “Washington style politics” and “same old games,” then he goes and actively courts the gameplayer Kennedy. Cnn showed this morning something interesting. He lied, telling people that he passed some bill that has to do with Nuclear power measure. Clinton called him out on it because he never passed it. Then he lied again to cover himself, saying that she was lying about his record and saying that she even mentioned before that he passed it. Then CNN searched the records and found that she never said that. And they also confirmed that he never passed any such legislature. People need to think twice before they hire this con artist Obama to run our country.
Obama has been attacking Clinton for some time now, and it’s no problem. But when Clinton brings him to task on the issues, he NEVER admits responsibility. He gives the same clever responses that we’ve been seeing from the Republicans for the last eight years.
CLINTON 08. YES WE WILL YES WE WILL YES WE WILL

Posted by: Jason Shick | February 16, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm

Why do the Clintons live in the past? Now is now.

Posted by: Kate | February 16, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm

Not like Clinton with all the power and money, Obama starts from scratch. For him to get in the position of he is right now, there must be something special about this guy. Bill didn’t have national experience when he became president. Give me a break, she just want to say whatever to get her the power that she’s so addict to. She is not a normal woman, but a conniving one.

Posted by: thiswoman | February 16, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm

Oh God forbid that someone should make Obama explain himself. In a job interview to work at McDonald’s you have to answer more questions about our qualities than this guy has had to. But some want to hire him to be president of the U.S.?
If Obama wins (or gets the nomination handed to him by the media and the strong-armed complaining by the black community about being cheated), I will simply vote for McCain. I’m not going to give my vote to hire someone who is running on a campaign of “change” and some higher plane, who at the same time when you really examine things is lying about his record. He’s courting the status quo that he condemns, because it sounds good to the masses. I’m not going to vote for an admitted cocaine user; this says a lot about his judgment and character. I’m not going to vote for someone who is untested, unproven, and who has never really fought for the working class. The Maytag workers that he says he fought for, they are actually supporint Hillary, because they say he didn’t help them at all. This man is media-made.
I switched my registration from independent to Democrat so that I can vote for Hillary on April 22 here in Pa.
Go HILLARY. YES WE CAN YES WE CAN YES WE CAN.

Posted by: Jason Shick | February 16, 2008, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm

I became a homeowner under Clinton’s successful 90′s policies. Now, with all this housing mess, we need someone to put the economy back. Hating the Clintons for “hatred’s sake” makes no sense. Choose the best candidate, and that’s Hillary!
Hillary to the White house.
Be the way…why is the media using such low class, slang words like “dis”. Come on, be professional. If I used that word at work, I would be viewed as unpolished.

Posted by: gracie2008 | February 16, 2008, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm

If Obama is the democrat candidate, the republicans will make mince meat out of him. When they get their proproganda machine going it will be sad.

Posted by: barefootboy | February 16, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm

Posted by Timmy: … why would i want to be attached to Monica Lewinsky, Jennifer Flowers and Paula Jones?…lol
You’re right Timmy. I would much rather be associated with lies, war, death, and deficits. an even louder LOL!

Posted by: Tim | February 16, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm

Who is Obama? Why is he qualified to become President? The fawning over him by the crowds is creepy. He seems very intelligent but I dont trust him. Platitudes and happy talk are just alot of hot air. And the support by Teddy Kennedy? So what. As a matter of fact, if Teddy supports Obama and Kerry supports Obama, those are as good reasons as any to not support him. Kerry handled his campaign like a loser and Teddy Kennedy has a tainted background that does not engender confidence. Bill Clinton was a great President. But the republicans would not accept him so they sent out political hit teams to look for any way to destroy him. But he was a brilliant man, not perfect by any means, but who is?

Posted by: Rick | February 16, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm

“The explicit argument of the campaign against Hillary is that ‘No one who was involved in the 1990s or this decade can possibly be an effective president because they had fights. We’re not going to have any of those anymore.’ Well, if you believe that, I got some land I wanna sell you.”
One question, Mr. clinton. Is the land you want to sell in Whitewater, or Castle Grande?

Posted by: Magrooder99 | February 16, 2008, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm

To Queen bee—-I’m white (and female) and I’m voting for Obama. I’m voting for him because I like him and I think he is sincere. I don’t care what color he is. He could be purple with pink polka dots and I would still vote for him.

Posted by: Worker bee | February 16, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm

Oh please! He wasn’t saying that Obama didn’t do anything right in the 90s, he’s saying that Obama’s rhetoric of “not fighting the fights of the 90s” seems to exclude anyone who *did* fight political fights in the 90s from somehow being qualified to be president.
It never ceases to amaze me how journalists are able to twist Bill Clinton’s words so that they can be negative about him.
The anti Bill Clinton stuff in the press is pathological.
This is truely pathetic.

Posted by: Frank | February 16, 2008, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm

jason stein works for a disinformation campaign, if he exists at all…listen to your hearts, speak and recognize truth, and vote for the Light, not more darkness! Change 2008!
-nana

Posted by: nana | February 16, 2008, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm

You know, I liked Bill. I voted for Bill twice. Now I wish he would just go away. Oh, and take Hill with you. He wants (not for Hill) to win so badly he’ll rip the party and country apart to do it. Bill, please get over yourself already. You are ruining what is left of your legacy. We want Barack Obama. YES WE CAN!!

Posted by: judesuper | February 16, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm

Media Fashions Bill Clinton’s Words into Cork Screw

In an article titled Bill Clinton Avoids Attacks on Obama, the Dallas Morning News reports that BIll Clinton, while stumping for Hilary in Texas yesterday, made efforts to not slam Obama and even to say a few nice things about his wife’s opponent. For …

Posted by: Buck Naked Politics | February 16, 2008, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm

Worker bee:
I am glad you are voting for Obama because you like him and because he’s sincere. Is that all? That reminds of what most white men say about Hillary. They are not voting for her because they don’t like her. When asked “Why do you not like her?”, they say “I just don’t like her”. I am sick of all this likabality. Yes, it’s true Hillary is less likable to most, but according to a recent study by Pew Research, she’s TOUGHER on the issues, and MORE prepared to lead.
GoHillary08..
YES WE WILL. YES WE WILL. YES WE WILL.

Posted by: GoHillary08 | February 16, 2008, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm

Yes we can what? Change? Change to what? Is he going to wish our deficits away? What if he says “yes we can” to the Iraqis. Will they suddenly cheer him as if he is a gift from heaven. I doubt it. Will Osama Bin Laden and his friends tell him that since he (Obama) is such a wonderful person, they are going to stop their jihad? Please, don’t expect miracles – let Mr. Obama get some experience and maybe, if he proves himself, run in eight years. Right now, he is not ready to be president.

Posted by: Rick | February 16, 2008, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm

To Mir: My intent was to point out the conspiracy type of hype the Biblical post was making.
But, it was good to see someone fire up on feminist kick as this column seems to have about everything else.
The fact that both of the Bush’s and Clinton’s went to Yale simply points out that Yale produces people who will occupy positions of national leadership…one way or another.
And, by the way, I am still laughing, but not necessarily at you…

Posted by: Laughing in Kansas | February 16, 2008, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm

Let us not forget that under Bill Clinton as President this country experienced the first fiscal surplus in 55 years. And if you think that there will be no more fights, you are living in a dream world. The Chairperson of RNC has already come out and said that the Republican attack against Obama will be on the basis of experience in political office.
I remember the campaign of George McGovern in 1972. The Republicans cleaned his clocks. Please remember that in order to get something done, you need to know how the system works. In 1976 Jimmy Carter was a person who wanted to change a lot of things, but did not have a clue about how things worked in Washington, D.C. And what happened to him? As a President he was awful, even though he had some really good ideas.
I suggest that you start living in reality, and remember that change only comes to those who know how to make it happen, for wishing and hoping will not make it so.

Posted by: Don | February 16, 2008, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm

I like that Hillary Clinton slogan: YES WE WILL

Posted by: chris | February 16, 2008, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm

To those who keep bitching about Bill… Do you know what you deserve? You deserve 4 more years with Dubya if that was possible! Bill was a GREAT president (I could not care LESS whose mouth he did). Unlike most of you, I’ve had a chance to travel all over the world, and I know that people abroad love him!
Go Hillary 08
YES WE WILL. YES WE WILL. YES WE WILL.

Posted by: Vinnie | February 16, 2008, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm

I think Hillary is very likable and friendly and when her experience is added to the mix, she makes a fabulous candidate. The right wing thru Rush Limbaugh have dubbed her unlikable, have demonized her for years because they want their women to be subservient, and Americans assume she is unlikable. Watch her at the debates. She is very friendly and pleasant. It is a myth that she is unlikable!!!

Posted by: Two-cats | February 16, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm

Stop the ‘yes we can’ silliness right now, please.
Is this a presidential campaign or a Bob The Builder kiddie show? I’m not sure there’s much difference in the mental/emotional maturity level, so maybe it doesn’t matter much.

Posted by: Midas | February 16, 2008, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm

Just goes to show how gullible the poiticians think we are. There was no fiscal surplus in the 1990s but both parties took pleasure in proclaiming there was. Social security revenue was taken and spent on the general budget leaving IOUs for Social Security and a debt for future tax payers to repay. We need honesty for a change.

Posted by: Bill | February 16, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm

We could use some more “Real Stories of the Arkansas Highway Patrol” starring Bill, but no more. He’s done enough. There will only be trouble if he persists.

Posted by: Jack | February 16, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm

i read comments that obama can withstand the repub attacks because he has withstood the clinton machine. but the media have made sure that hillary can’t attack obama without being called racist. they won’t do the same for obama when it’s repubs attacking him. and obama can’t withstand actual attacks because he has nothing but hype. his positions are stolen from hillary, and the repubs will surely point that out. he has a lot of highly questionable ties and the repubs will surely point that out. he has virtually no real experience and the repubs will surely point that out. he has made some truly ludicrous statements about foreign policy and the repubs will surely point that out. and the media will no longer twist and spin for obama when the repubs are against him rather than hillary. obama nomination equals mccain presidency.

Posted by: so saddened | February 16, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm

Everyone take a chill pill! I don’t care about what the media says, or The Clintons or Obama. I won’t even bring up the crooks running on the other side.
I would just like to know when some one, anyone from any party is going to stop the Central Bank from ripping off the poor people. They try to save the little money that they have to obtain some kind of return on thier investment and the government keeps droping the intrest rate. This is a policy that makes the young say poor and the elderly lose thier savings. Every one is being took for thier money. You lose money if you keep it in the bank due to inflation. If you get 3 or 4 percent on your money in the banks you are giving the banks a free loan and you get nothing. really you are losing money due to inflation. What a scam! How is it that this is not a big issue in this campain? I am the retarded one! If I can see this. What is the problem with everyone else. Maybe everyone else is blind. As Americans we were told to work hard and save our money and one day we would have a good life. We work and save and the Bankers get rich and we still get nothing. People wake up! Make them talk about real issues. If they the government would stop ripping you off you would not have to get help with health care or any other help from them. Wake up PEOPLE! MAKE THEM TELL YOU WHAT THE REAL ISSUSES ARE!

Posted by: retard | February 16, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm

While the 1990s were good years in some respects, they were not all good and to some extent were the product of fortunate events. For example, income inequality increased about 4 times as much as it has since 2000 (source Census Gini coefficients). We were also fortunate in that the Cold War had just ended and we could draw down the military to reduce budget pressures. The good times led us to avoid addressing a number of future problems such as the costs of social security and medicare.

Posted by: Jimbo | February 16, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm

I’m independent, and what really convinced me is the hatred and cult like pre-ordainment of their leader, the messiah Obamah, and the hypocrisy of his campaign preaching unity, when he himself and all his followers say they won’t vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination. It’s that hatred and hypocrisy which will make me vote Republican too! So either way, McClain is pres you damn dummies. It has nothing to do with Obama looking like a monkey with purple lips, or Michelle trying to dress up like Jackie O, when she looks like Zera. Bye, bye, NOBAMA!

Posted by: okdokethen | February 16, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm

Now HOW can the American people expect Obama to remember what great things Mr. Bill Clinton accomplished in his Presidency, when obama was snorting cocaine at that time and not one bit interested in politics until a few wee years ago?
Another thing: the obama campaign has been talking up these “young Americans” who have signed up to vote this year—–well, what the heck kind of role model to all of these young Americans is this prior-cocaine using obama who now may become President? What does that say to them? “It is ok to have done cocaine and other drugs—-you can even become President someday!”. Please, people. NOT MY DAUGHTER.

Posted by: Get America Back on Track | February 16, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm

Hey, perhaps does truly believe that a 8yr term of some few successes, with your pants tangled around your ankles most of the time in the White House is “memorable” TO HIM at least! What a “fairytale” is right, and now owes allegiance to his main co-conspirator, co-concealor and architect of LIES thru his 8yr long scandal & impeachment legacy…his wife HILLARY!

Posted by: jay | February 16, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm

There was indeed a fiscal surplus in the late 1990s. I suggest that anyone who does not believe that a surplus really existed, please review a economic text. The data is there at the Bureau of Economic Analysis web site..

Posted by: Don | February 16, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm

Why would anyone want a rerun of Bill Clinton and Hilary Clinton? I live through the Clinton years when he was president and she was first lady. Let’s take a look at the sad blast from the Past. Clinton years full of scandals, Whitewater, Allegations of affairs. one of his accusers attempted to sue him for sexual harassment while he was a sitting president a disgrace and embarrassment to all women and Americans around the world. He raised taxes; He signed NAFTA into Law, Causing Millions of Workers to lose their jobs to outsourcing for cheap labor at the expense of hard working families in this country. Bill Clinton disgraced this country and was almost IMPEACHEd for lying about have an alleged sexual relationship with a young woman in the white House. He pardon Known criminals. Finally I cannot forget the David Koresh event where many innocent children died in Waco Texas, Bin Laden could have been captured and 911 would not have happen. Should I go on………. Time will not permit all of the negative. Why would anyone want a rerun of Bill and Hilary Clinton as President?

Posted by: Ask Yourself Why? | February 16, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm

Mark S. Great job! You nailed the whole
deal right on the head. Clinton came to power at a good time. Reagan had broke the Soviet Union and there was relative calm in the world. Bill Clinton did nothing great except to preside over a great time in our country’s history. He
tries to act like he was so great; the facts are that working taxpayers were the ones that helped the economy; not people like the Clinton’s who never really did a hard day’s work in their lives. Hillary claims to champion the middle class (taxpayers like ourselves) when in fact she doesn’t give a crap about people who make their livings honestly. That is foreign to her and Bill.

Posted by: Ed | February 16, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm

Clintonites! Let’s talk about something once again. Bill/Hillary Clinton surrounded themselves with some very “inexperienced” campaign staffers who were not up to the task of affectively mounting a ‘positive’ campaign from the start. Seems as though these people were planning for Hillary/Bill running against a “Republican” instead of a “Democrat” in the primaries. Last year after Hillary/Bill announced their run for [Presidency of the United States] Hillary/Bill were anointed the frontrunner status. All others dare not oppose them on the Democratic side. Then people started thinking about the Clinton years and there were some good ones, but, the [negatives] always seem to pop-up in the minds of Democrats and Republicans. People started asking themselves, “What kind of Hillary/Bill Clinton administration will it be with Bill as the former President lurking the corridors of the White House? So, try not sit at your computers and blame Obama supporters for all of the Clinton’s issues right now. The fact that Obama is still in the running is a true testament to [average grass root voters] mounting an effective campaign outside of the status quo movement of past political machines. This grass roots support for Obama actually will shape future elections to come. Technology has allowed people to voice their opinions on both sides. Democrats are divided and I’m not sure if the fractions can be healed at this moment in time. Too much blood has been spilled in the waters of this political stalemate at the ballot box. What a mess, and whose to blame?

Posted by: dee | February 16, 2008, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm

Let’s see, Hillary sat on the Board of Directors for Wal-Mart from 1986-1992, the largest Union Busting organization in the world. She wants mandated healthcare, in which you haveto pay a fine or have your paycheck garnished if you don’t like the price of the premiums. She voted for the war. She won’t disclose her tax records. She’s gone from the presumptive nominee to a fight for her political life because of her and Bill’s gross mismanagement of her campaign, and has the Democratic Party in turmoil. Does she have experience? Yep, she a lot of experience making “Bad Decisions.”
OBAMA ’08!

Posted by: Ken | February 16, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm

Percy, your comment is mis-leading. Obama’a plan is nothing like Bush’s plan. I just read through Obama’s plan and nowhere does it sound anything like Bush’s. I can understand someone being a fan of Clinton or Obama, but it is just plain wrong to give false information to try to give your choice an advantage. The differences on health insurance plans of Clinton and Obama are very clear. But the real ‘man behind the curtain’ with Hillary’s plan is the fact she has taken huge donations from health insurance companies. She therefore will owe them. So when she promises that the insurance, the MANDATORY insurance will be affordable, it just isn’t believable in light of her accepting those health insurance donations. Instead, it is much more believable those without insurance through their employers will be forced to buy insurance that isn’t affordable. Obama hasn’t taken any money from them or any other corporation. He can thus be in a position to push a plan that will benefit ordinary Americans rather than the profits of health insurance companies.

Posted by: Lydia | February 16, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm

jay, there you go, again, blaming the whole thing on Bill……it takes 2 to tango, and Monica needs to bear some of the responsibility for HER actions……no one stuck a gun to her head and MADE her go to meet Bill Clinton at the White House…….by the way, you males like that so much, I could guess that none of YOU could turn down a woman that was throwing herself at you, now COULD you?

Posted by: Get America Back on Track | February 16, 2008, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm

Yes, the 90′s. The republicans were in control of congress, they controlled the checkbook and they balanced the budget, reformed welfare, gave us nafta
and let us all earn and keep more of
our own money! Clinton is taking credit for all of those things but neglects to
say if it not for those republicans in congress during his tenure his legacy would only be his lurid affair with “that woman”.

Posted by: Reilly | February 16, 2008, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm

Why dont people focus on serious things Bill Clinton’s sex life was between him and Hillary. The republicans used it as an excuse for trying to impeach him. How many republican politicians have had sexual indiscretions? Many. What hypocrisy. What about George Bush, who through his incompetence, let 911 happen, started a war that did not have to be started, negligently prosecuted the war, leading to many American (and Iraqi) deaths and severe injuries, cost America about a trillion dollars, and to this day refuses to follow the law with his “signing statements.” And people waste their time talking about sexual indiscretions. We get who we vote for. If America goes down the tubes, so be it.

Posted by: Rick | February 16, 2008, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm

I tell you, there’s something really creepy about the whole Obama campaign. It just makes my skin crawl to see young people actually paying attention to politics, or to see record voter turnout, or to see people volunteering their free time for campaigns. It’s almost like we’ve got some weird democracy thing.

Posted by: Creepy | February 16, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm

Get America Back on Track your comments were “Now HOW can the American people expect Obama to remember what great things Mr. Bill Clinton accomplished in his Presidency, when obama was snorting cocaine at that time and not one bit interested in politics until a few wee years ago?”
Well he probably does not remember because Bill Clinton was also F—king the interns which was getting more media attention than his policies doing that time. I am not trying to take away from Bill Cliton but e is not perfect, no one is. George Bush was drunk and admitted to it. Lot’s of us have tried drugs and alcohol especially in our young years and still been able to become successfully. Have you been perfect?

Posted by: Queen Bee | February 16, 2008, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm

Insight to the FUTURE:
I heard a very observant woman speak on a talk show the other day. She spoke of a fact that all must acknowledge.
This is the comment made from a middle-class citizen of America:
(Education not known but I give her an “A”, and would hire her Human Resource Exec.).
Her comment was:
“Why is Hillary Clinton talking about she is the one to correcting the ECONOMY, when she can’t budget her own CAMPAIGN”.
This is a very important FACT.

Posted by: Edward Strange | February 16, 2008, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm

Can someone tell me if this election excercise is about the future of the country or preserving/promoting the legacy of pres. clinton?

Posted by: RO | February 16, 2008, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm

Donate To Obama
I just saved a bunch of money by switching to Obama

Posted by: gerald | February 16, 2008, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm

Clinton could have easily been voted in for a 3rd term, so I don’t know where you are all getting information. We all lived well during the Clinton years and made a lot of money. Hillary worked for Walmart at a time when everything they sold was MADE IN THE USA. It was with pride that we shopped at Walmart when it first came to our towns. NAFTA was a bill of goods sold to us by Bush Sr – but was it so wrong? Hillary didn’t own Walmart, but anyone who bought Walmart stock made money and isn’t free enterprise what we each want? Free and open trade laws? Even the poor people in this country can afford DVD players because of NAFTA and don’t kid yourself and think you could afford one before. We paid over $500 for our first VHS player in 1982!! Imagine the inflation if they were all still made in USA by union workers!
We now need health care and Hillary is the one to see that we are all covered. I’m not crazy about national health insurance, but what other choice is there? It is an honor to pay taxes in America and to be able to live here.

Posted by: Pat | February 16, 2008, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm

Black superdelegates are switching over to Barack because his promise of a revolution to the inner city boys in the 1990′s is becoming a reality. “We” will get compensation for slavery. “We” will see more spending on the poor. Yes, “Our time has come”.

Posted by: PAT | February 16, 2008, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm

Watch the knives come out if Obama gets the nomination. The press who adored him so will be yapping about his lack of experience, his unsavory ties in Chicago, and his liberal platform. We’ll hear the word, liberal, 40 times/day and all about McCain’s moderate voting history. The Democrats are being set up for failure with Obama. The media will slice him into bits.

Posted by: Two-cats | February 16, 2008, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm

Bill gave us a bubble economy that takes years to recover… Nasdaq and S&P 500 is just half way back from the top. And Hillary can’t even manage her campaign budget…Who are the Clintons to say they are the ONE. We want a long term stable economy.. not a bubble economy.. as we already been through two bubbles from the Clintons and Bush.. time to have a more stable, peaceful, and UNITED America.

Posted by: Grace | February 16, 2008, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm

Queen Bee: I am not running for President, so it does not matter “if I did drugs”—-I’ll let you in on a little secret, though……when I was pursuing my undergrad degree, ALL of the people I knew did drugs—–HARD drugs. I did not. I was one of the only ones that I knew of that had the sense and Moral Character and strength to say “NO, I will not do drugs—–YOU-ALL can, but I will not cave in to your suggestions that I do them with you”.
It is VERY< VERY important that we have a strong Presidnt that can "say NO" to drugs and alcohol, otherwise they will be a hypocrite when trying to get these young people to stay away from drugs. IT IS NOT OK to elect a President that has done cocaine. That is NOT the kind of role model we need for young Americans. To say that it is OK and ignore this is trouble…….it cuts into Obama's credibility when trying to lead all young impressionable Americans.

Posted by: Get America Back On Track | February 16, 2008, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm

Watch the knives come out if Obama gets the nomination. The press who adored him so will be yapping about his lack of experience, his unsavory ties in Chicago, and his liberal platform. We’ll hear the word, liberal, 40 times/day and all about McCain’s moderate voting history. The Democrats are being set up for failure with Obama. The media will slice him into bits. Fickle is the press!!!

Posted by: Two-cats | February 16, 2008, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm

Keep in mind, people, that in the last 40 years there has NOT been a LIBERAL President elected to the White House. Bill Clinton was a MODERATE DEMOCRAT.
Hillary Clinton is ALSO a Moderate Democrat. Obama is a Liberal Democrat.
The other fact is: the Democratic Party in 1974 came up with the idea of “Super-delegates” because there was no Democratic candidate winner there in Chicago that election year, and Mondale and Hart had a virtual tie (that was the year when Jesse Jackson also ran). The Democratic Party came up with the idea of Super-delegates to break a potential tie of 2 democratic candidates…..AND to bring the MODERATE DEMOCRATS back to voting, because the Moderate Democrat vote had bee falling off since the 1950′s—–it was ALSO to assure the Democrats that some LIBERAL, RADICAL Democratic Candidate or Green Party candidate did not win the nomination. This “bringing back the Moderate Democrats” by coming up with the Super-delegates actually helped Bill Clinton, the first really good DEMOCRATIC President since John F. Kennedy.

Posted by: Get America Back On Track | February 16, 2008, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm

The other thing that I heard Barack Obama say in a speech recently, when asked to be more specific by McCain: Obama replied that he would bring back all of the money that is spent on Iraq and invest that very same money in America, building construction jobs, etc.. Why not just return that MONEY spent on Iraq to balance the budget, that has doubled since last year? Why does obama want to KEEP SPENDING that money that went to Iraq? We all need to CUT THE SPENDING altogether because bush made the national debt so high that our grandchildren will be paying for it. NO MORE SPENDING if our country can’t afford it!

Posted by: Get America Back On Track | February 16, 2008, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm

Kris: your argument is flawed, because it is a credibility problem for obama because he has done COCAINE……COCAINE is a bit different than “smoking a little pot”—. It’s a Judgement Issue, and Obama was not a “youngster” when he did get hooked on cocaine and thought he would become a “junkie”. That was BAD JUDGEMENT, and he used cocaine not that many years ago—–1999?? What kind of BAD JUDGEMENT will he have if he is elected President? How many brain cells did he kill off using that cocaine? We need to know these things……

Posted by: Get America Back On Track | February 16, 2008, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm

Not Important:
Don’t you all get it..
The message that Obama is sending is not about him, it is not about saving you, it is about you saving yourself.
This will be done by putting you the American People FIRST.
YES WE CAN!

Posted by: Edward Strange | February 16, 2008, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm

ohhh
I forget,, there are the SHEEP, out there that have to be led.
BaHHH,,
He can do that too.

Posted by: Edward Strange | February 16, 2008, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm

“Obama ‘Literally Not Part of Any of the Good Things’ From the 1990s”
I strongly disagree. Obama was part of “good” things in the 1990′s. He was part of the Illinois corrupt “Good”-old-boys network, along with Tony Rezco.

Posted by: KDH55 | February 16, 2008, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm

I respectfully disagree with your assertion that my argument is flawed. Marijuana and alcohol both kill brain cells. Cocaine has certain bad effects, but it doesn’t KILL brain cells. I looked around to try to confirm that before I wrote this, and I see nothing about KILLING brain cells. To answer your final sentence, no we don’t need to know how many brain cells he killed because coke doesn’t kill brain cells. That’s all fringe stuff, though. There are many things in this life that people do that are bad for them. They eat too much junk/fast food. Error in judgement with potentially lethal consequences. They drive too fast. Error in judgement with potentially lethal consequences. They drink the last legal drug, which kills brain cells and often results in automobile fatalities, domestic abuse, or kicking their dog. Nobody is perfect. Clinton smoked weed; bush was an alcoholic. Neither of them were perfect, and both did some good things for the country. Obama could do good things too, despite snorting some coke a few years ago. Now maybe you’re just simply against anybody that’s ever had any contact with illegal drugs or abused legal ones. If that’s the case just say so, and we can agree to disagree. I, however, will not condem anybody over some indiscretions in their past. Everybody’s closet has some skeletons in it where they didn’t have the best judgement. I’ll bet you and everyone else on planet Earth had some bad judgement somewhere last week, last month, last year. Everybody makes mistakes and has bad judgement. Don’t try to crucify one man for his mistakes. Judge him on who he is today because nobody has a blemish-free record.

Posted by: Kris | February 16, 2008, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm

I’m no fan of either of the Clintons, but I’d as soon vote for Big Bird as for the no-resume, no-accomplishment guy who skipped the part where you pay your dues. What the heck is “it’s about you saving yourself” supposed to mean? Are we going to elect a President because his speeches sound like a cross between a fortune cookie and a Sesame Street thought for the day?

Posted by: Bob Royfills | February 16, 2008, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm

Great words of wisdom and edification from the “Philanderer In Chief”.

Posted by: DAB | February 16, 2008, 7:21 pm 7:21 pm

I’m disgusted with that bunch of OBAMA-IDIOTS. He has no experience, no desire to answer real questions. He does have HOPE, which is great because all his followers will need HOPE if he wins in November 2009.

Posted by: Jane | February 16, 2008, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm

What it all means:
That the founding fathers words written in the Constitution, will have meaning again, it means that this country belongs to Americans, (not the oil company, not Canada, not Mexico, not the Saudi, not the Neo Cons of a New World Order). Don’t be a SHEEP…., You are as important as Obama or Hillary.
You just have to apply yourself and believe in yourself.
Fear prey on insecurity

Posted by: Edward Strange | February 16, 2008, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm

Of course:
That may scare the H.. out of some of you that have been LED to the slauther house for the past 16 years.
Get over it.
YES WE CAN!!

Posted by: Edward Strange | February 16, 2008, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm

if Hill and Bill is a Christain then they know that a woman suppose to walk beside her hushband not in front. I think he trying to prove a point to her that I have it and you don’t. Go Obama

Posted by: allgood | February 16, 2008, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm

Kris, I am really troubled that you are coming to obama’s defense about using cocaine—-just because you cannot find any scholarly evidence (and you DID search SCHOLARLY EVIDENCE, I hope, that has a Method, etc.) that cocaine does NOT kill brain cells……crack, a derivitive of cocaine, stays in the brain for years…..are we just to ASSUME that cocaine has no lasting effects and does not kill brain cells JUST BECAUSE you cannot find a (hopefully scholarly) journal refuting that it does not.
I beg to differ, and it IS an importent part of electing a President, that we question a person’s judgement. After all, there are bloggers that are massacuring Bill Clinton for his “lack of judgement” about he and Monica (and, yes—-she had her part in that situation, too).

Posted by: Hillary for President '08 | February 16, 2008, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm

If Bill could have kept his pants on, Al Gore would be finishing out his two term presidency. Please, Bill and Hil, go away…and take Carville, Begala, Lanny Davis, et als with you. We are tired of your act.

Posted by: Brimfield | February 16, 2008, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm

The Obama mania with today’s youth reminds me of the Pied Piper story. They should wake up and smell the coffee.

Posted by: Mary | February 16, 2008, 8:04 pm 8:04 pm

Bill probably isn’t the biggest liar in the world, but he is certainly one of the best. The lie this time is that he is trying to HELP Hillary when the truth is he is trying to STOP her, all the while maintaining plausible deniability. “Ahnustly, honey, ahm doin awl I ken to hep.” His ego couldn’t stand her being president and the real possibility the “Clinton legacy” would be hers, not his.

Posted by: jim brown | February 16, 2008, 8:23 pm 8:23 pm

Mary, that’s a great post…..I’m still laughing, picturing all of these young Americans following obama, who has tights on and a feather in his green cap, sniviling and playing that pipe, leading them down the wrong path….(he might even be pictured with “hooved feet”) ha ha ha ha Go, HILLARY !!!!!!

Posted by: Get America Back On Track | February 16, 2008, 8:40 pm 8:40 pm

Lydia,
How often we hear what we want to hear rather than what is being said or see what we want to see rather than what is in front of us.
Maybe, as you’ve said, Senator Obama’s health care ideas are different than George W. Bush’s. Hopefully, if I’m blinded it is for search of truth and not by allegiance to any person.
Concerning Senator Obama never taking or receiving any gifts, funds, etc from major corporations or groups hoping to influence his vote or leadership, I refer you to The New York Times, February 3, 2008, page 1, which examines the exceptional relationship between Mr. Obama and the Exelon Corpoartion. You can read the entire article by access The NY Times website. The author is Mike McIntire. While reading the article, please recall Mr Obama’s comments, during several debates, about the need for more nuclear power plants.
“Since 2003, executives and employees of Exelon, which is based in Illinois, have contributed at least $227,000 to Mr. Obama’s campaigns for the United States Senate and for president. Two top Exelon officials, Frank M. Clark, executive vice president, and John W. Rogers Jr., a director, are among his largest fund-raisers.
Another Obama donor, John W. Rowe, chairman of Exelon, is also chairman of the Nuclear Energy Institute, the nuclear power industry’s lobbying group, based in Washington. Exelon’s support for Mr. Obama far exceeds its support for any other presidential candidate.
In addition, Mr. Obama’s chief political strategist, David Axelrod, has worked as a consultant to Exelon. A spokeswoman for Exelon said Mr. Axelrod’s company had helped an Exelon subsidiary, Commonwealth Edison, with communications strategy periodically since 2002, but had no involvement in the leak controversy or other nuclear issues.”
The bill Mr. Obama has bragged about passing (concerning Exelon’s dumping of hazadous waste in Illinois) was, in fact, never passed. If it had passed it had been watered-down to the point that it was meaningless. Yet, Mr. Obama, while campaigning in Iowa, gained all kinds of praise when he falsely stated – over and over – that the passage of the bill against Exelon – was a demonstration of his fight for the environment.
But, Lydia, The NY Times probably got it wrong. Afterall, how could someone who says he does not take money from lobbyest, take nearly a quarter million dollars from one lobbyiest alone? And how can this man who swears to “change politics as usual” fill his election apparatus with people from this same contributor? The NY Times must have it wrong….because…
Mr. Obama would never lie.
Yet, I predict: A whole bunch of nuclear power plants will start popping up if Mr. Obama become president.

Posted by: Percy | February 16, 2008, 8:44 pm 8:44 pm

Bill’s attacks on Obama did work. In fact they worked so well she came back after Iowa and beat Obama in NH and Nevada. Only once the liberal media came to Obama’s defense and threw the race card at Bill Clinton did he have to back off. Of course once the race card has been thrown at you there is no effective defense other than to apologize and go away even if there were no racist comments made.
I love how Bill got lambasted for saying Jesse Jackson won in SC in 1984 and 1988 and the Obama adoring media instantly said his comments had racial undertones. The funny thing is that Clinton was actually 100% correct – Jesse Jackson did win those elections.
9 out of 10 blacks support Obama and nothing gets said. Could you imagine if 9 our of 10 whites were supporting Hillary? The libs in the media would be screaming that white Americans were a bunch of intolerant racists voting only on the basis of skin color….. Go figure.

Posted by: Jim | February 16, 2008, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm

5 reasons why Dems should avoid Hillary:
1. Hillary is one of the most divisive figures in modern history. That is a fact.
2. More than half the nation is against Hillary. That is a fact.
3. Hillary brings less independents to support the Democratic party. That is a fact.
4. Hillary had her chance in the Whitehouse and she FAILED in Healthcare. That is a fact.
5. In all her 35 years of cooked up experience, Americans have difficulty finding even one single achivement. That is a fact.
So why vote for a failed horse or a donkey? She has no instinct for what is right, because Clintons have no respect for moral values. America definitely deserves a better political leader for the 21st century. A time comes and a time goes. Clintons had their time. Its over. Turn the page folks. Hillary will be blunder for us in November.

Posted by: Cortez | February 16, 2008, 9:02 pm 9:02 pm

I want Clintons back in the Whitehouse. I want to see more of spicy Monica Lewinsky scandals to keep me entertained. Please vote for Hillary. Though she is corrupt to the core and taken more money than anyone else from the lobbyists, and though she will not release her TAX returns, she should be made president becasue she is a woman. She supports her man no matter how many times he screws around. Bring back all the scandals to the Whitehouse. I love those scandals. I want cheap entertainment. I want Hillary.

Posted by: Dodd | February 16, 2008, 9:09 pm 9:09 pm

My lord its like and American Idol forum in here. People this is not American idol we cant vote for the next president based on who’s young and hip! Also Bill Clinton left one heck of a legacy yes he did cheat on his wife and lie about it he’s human many men have done this that doesn’t wipe his slate clean of every good thing he ever did for this country nor should it. If Obama supporters believe that he’s going to magically make everyone work together then there dreaming Washington has never worked together and sadly will probably never will there will always be division in America its kinda what makes America great.

Posted by: Katie | February 16, 2008, 9:15 pm 9:15 pm

get America back, good for you and your masters degree. As I just said, though, you’re missing the point. The point here is not splitting hairs over whether or not some shred of evidence is scholarly or not or whether or not cocaine may/does/can/will cause brain damage. ALL BESIDE THE POINT. The point is that Mr. Obama made some mistakes in his life, just as I have, just as you have, just like Bill Clinton and George Bush, just like EVERYONE has. The point is that there’s no reason to pretend like this particular indiscretion should disqualify him or hamstring his efforts any more than any number of other indiscretions that I’ve previously taken a little time time mention.

Posted by: Kris | February 16, 2008, 9:15 pm 9:15 pm

9 out of 10 blacks supported Bill Clinton, and nothing got said. I wonder why?

Posted by: awalker | February 16, 2008, 9:18 pm 9:18 pm

Katie, things in Washington aren’t always as bitterly partisan as they have been in the last 15 years. It would be nice if the next President, whomever it might be, would try to work with the Congress. And I mean REALLY work with them; not just pay lip service to it. Ditto for the House and Senate. It’s time for the federal government to get back to doing the business of the people and stop being so hardheaded and unyielding and therefore getting NOTHING DONE. Fix immigration. Fix social security. FIX SOMETHING! I’m sick of it, and a lot of other people are. The thing that bothers me about Hillary Clinton is that of the 3 remaining Presidential candidates, she is absolutely, hands down the one that would induce the most gridlock in the federal government. Republicans hate her, and a lot of Democrats hate her too. (What is it, a 47% unfavorability rating she has? That’s incredibly high!) Not to mention that I have a problem with the Clintons and NAFTA. Stuck it to a lot of ordinary Americans in terms of jobs, regardless of whether or not they could buy a CD player at Wal-mart cheaper.

Posted by: Kris | February 16, 2008, 9:21 pm 9:21 pm

….and Kris, I respectfully disagree and say that it DOES matter if a candidate has done cocaine in the past and now chooses to run for President. It is a lapse in judgement and shows one’s CHARACTER………”past actions are a good indicator of future behavior”, we say in the mental health community…..(before I am mis-read on this: I imply that a lapse in judgement is the action that will be repeated), in obama’s case. Of course, NO ONE IS PERFECT. WE ARE CHOOSING THE LESSER OF 2 EVILS. Hillary is the best choice.
Goodnight, all……it was a pleasure blogging with all of you…….may the BEST candidate for the democratic nomination win. God/Allah/Buddah BLESS AMERICA.

Posted by: Get America Back On Track | February 16, 2008, 9:24 pm 9:24 pm

OK, you think it’s less evil to nominate a calculating, ultra-political, will-bring-out-the-conservative-vote, authorize-the-war Senator who has done almost nothing in 8 years, I think it’s less evil to nominate a newbie Senator who snorted some cocaine and hasn’t been in the Senate long enough to make much of a mark, but was against the Iraq war from the beginning. That’s the rub.

Posted by: Kris | February 16, 2008, 9:29 pm 9:29 pm

True Kris very true. I would love for everyone to start working together. I also wish that presidential nominations like the one thats between Hilary and Obama wouldn’t split the parties as badly as it does. Who knows the Hilary voters might come to hate the Obama voters and vice versa I do want a democrat in the white house. and also I can say that I am guilty of going to walmart for the cheaper dvd player…but karma got me and it broke in a few weeks. Heres hoping for less foreign trade no matter which person gets elected. Also sadly I cant help but wonder if Hilary causes so many people to be against her in the senate and congress because she’s a woman I live in a small Texas town and have heard many men say how they cant stand her because they don’t like the idea of a woman being over them.

Posted by: Katie | February 16, 2008, 9:40 pm 9:40 pm

Get back America – Black support of Obama took a dramatic turn after Iowa once they thought he actually had a chance. He had SC sewn up well before the primary – it started to change in Dec (go read the poll history).
The Clinton’s went after Obama right after the Iowa caucus. Remeber the media twisted Bill’s statements on Obama’s position on the war (the whole “fairy tale” thing) to suggest Bill inferred his candidacy was a “fairy tale”. He said nothing of the kind regarding Obama’s candidacy, just his stance on the war. I’m sure you conspire to believe this was another one of those inside racial remarks to white America. Another media and Obama spin.
The facts are what they are, not something for you to manipulate for false spin.
So again, tell me what the lie was about Clinton referring to Jesse Jackson’s victories in 84 and 88? If Obama got nearly 9 out of 10 black votes in SC and over 50% of the electorate was black then it sounds to me like Bill was making insightful political observation the media was too afraid to make.

Posted by: Jim | February 16, 2008, 9:44 pm 9:44 pm

Why all people post so much hatred here,do you think bill clinton has did nothing.
Before question his commitment see in yourself what you did for people.
You may prefer one person over other but dont hate a person who done so much for human community.
Offcourse mistakes happen from everybody so did from Bill clinton.
Tell me one thing how many people lost food due monica’s scandal,no one.So why you give importance to such things.
If senator lost in election what the president has to do with that, the senator is responsible for his fate.If you analyse Obama’s statement i can conclude that Obama Got elected because Bush is not doing good.Is this true, NO Obama Got elected due his ability so the senator’s lost their post due to their inability so what bill clinton to do with that.

Posted by: Amaan | February 16, 2008, 9:55 pm 9:55 pm

UPDATE: Obama campaign spox Bill Burton tells ABC News in response, “It appears that the man who once told us ‘Don’t stop thinking about tomorrow’ has changed his tune and is now singing ‘Yesterday’ everywhere he goes.”
- You have got to hand it to Obama. What a great camapaign staff. They are so fresh and witty. There have been so many great things to come out of this campaign…I just love Obamacycle…started by great Obama supporters. Just one of the many reasons Obama is changing politics and Americas way of thinking.

Posted by: MichelleO | February 16, 2008, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm

Kate, you may be right about sexism and some people not wanting to vote for Clinton. I can’t speak for everyone, as I only know my own reasons. I’m a man, and I’m very comfortable with women bosses. I’ve had 2 now, and I’ve never had any problem with it. My problem with Clinton getting the nomination is that nobody left in the race polarizes the nation as much as she does, as indicated by her “negatives.” Nobody will polarize the Congress as much as she will. (Can’t prove that, but I’m 95% sure.) Clinton getting the nomination means more gridlock in the federal government, which means that the work of the people isn’t getting done. Instead of fixing Social Security or immigration, we’ll be in gridlock at worst or playing games at best (like they did in the House the other day with holding H. Meiers in contempt instead of worrying about FISA.) I’m SICK of partisanship, and Clinton is the person who will most likely see that it continues. Part of that would be her fault, and part of it would be the fault of those that hate her so much.

Posted by: Kris | February 16, 2008, 11:15 pm 11:15 pm

It is amazing to see that Hillary is still standing toe to toe with Obama despite the vicious negative attacks(often unfairly personal)against her campaign from news/medias. With the race being so close between the two, it appeares Hillary is not so much hated by American people as news/media wants us to believe. She seems capable to be a strong leader and could be a role model for the women around the world. You Go Girl, we will be there to support you!!

Posted by: Herm | February 16, 2008, 11:35 pm 11:35 pm

Bill Clinton’s comparison of Obama’s win in South Carolina to Jesse Jackson’s win there is disingenuous because Obama’s share of white votes, in particular white male votes (who’da thunk that?), has been INCREASING throughout the primary season, and he’s bringing to the Democratic Party people who previously WOULD NOT HAVE EVEN PARTICIPATED. He’s won in states with miniscule Black populations, too.
Clinton’s comments were a cynical effort to dismiss Obama’s win, as have been the recent comments coming from the Clinton campaign about the “insignificance” of Obama’s wins in this nation’s smaller states. The last time I checked, there were 50 states comprising the United States of America. I live in one of those states, Kansas (one of the reddest states there is), which went to Obama almost 3 to 1 during the Kansas caucuses. Kansas’ African-American populaton is about 8 percent of the state’s total population, yet Obama drew nearly 75% of those who attended the Feb. 5 caucuses. Since cloning is illegal and the old Chicago political machine is dead — or at least still in Chicago — there must have been a few non-African-American folks who thought Obama should be Democratic nominee for president in 2008. Oh, and by the way, Jesse Jackson didn’t win in Kansas in either 1984 or 1988.
I’m a bit surprised that Bill is up to his old shenanigans again with playing the race card, especially after he said he would refrain from doing it, instead concentrating on his wife’s strengths (of which there are many). I thought Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell, a Hillary Clinton supporter, had taken Bill’s divisive baton after his comments last week that “Some white people aren’t ready for a Black president,” which enable racists to keep on keepin’ on and allows them to cite a DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR FOR SUPPORT.
You know, if I were wearing a blindfold, I’d swear that Karl Rove was running the Clinton campaign because it has taken on the tone of the old reliable Republican “Southern Strategy” that got Reagan, Bush I and Bush II elected. Maybe Bill could do a “white hands” commercial for his wife or, since his hands are not clean given his role in this year’s campaign, he could produce a commercial recasting Bob Johnson as Willie Horton.
I wonder if Bill realizes the potential damage he’s doing to his wife, should she be the Democratic nominee this year. Black folks have been the ONLY reliable voting faction for Democrats since at least 1968 (some would say 1932). If Hillary is the Democratic nominee, then Bill’s racebaiting may — I would say should — KEEP BLACK FOLKS HOME IN NOVEMBER. IF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY DOESN’T GET ITS USUAL 80-90% OF THE BLACK VOTE, THEN IT LOSES IN NOVEMBER. It’s about time Blacks stopped letting the Democratic Party take us for granted, even if that means that John McCain is the next president.
Immediately after Iowa, I was leaning SLIGHTLY towards Obama. As a Black man, I considered what each candidate had to say about this nation’s future (as I am still doing). But, for me, it’s getting increasingly difficult to support Clinton because of her megalomaniacal, win-at-all-cost-now-and-be-damned-who-gets-hurt-in-the-long-term-including the-Democratic-Party campaign.
She says she’s ready to lead from Day one. Her first job as president, should she be elected, might be how to bring Blacks back to the Democratic Party.
Assuming she’d want to do that.

Posted by: Save the Country | February 17, 2008, 12:10 am 12:10 am

Im not sure if she polarizes the nation or not. The news likes to say she is. But I stood in line with about 700 other people just to go to one of her rallys. I believe that she could get alot done in congress if she was given the opportunity. Not to say that I don’t like Obama its just very easy to say that “I will change things” than to actually change things. Im 23 years old and I know that I dont know alot of things about politics but I do know that deep down some experience matters and when I hear Hilary speak I feel confident but when I hear Obama speak I just feel hopeful and its a great feeling to feel that hopeful but when its all over I start to wonder “is this really going to happen” but with Hilary it feels like it actually can. But to each his own Im certainly not going to force a candidate on anyone I live in a republican town and I know how that feels :)

Posted by: Katie | February 17, 2008, 12:39 am 12:39 am

For the first time in my life, I am actually engaged in an election in a real way. In the past I’ve gone out only to vote for the “lesser of two evils.” This time is different because I have been truly inspired by Senator Barack Obama, and I believe that my participation in the political process will help to bring about change that leads to a better United States of America and world.
I cannot fathom the idea of another 4 years of the Clintons in office as they have lost my respect and confidence more and more throughout the primary process. This is due to the way they have campaigned and the research that I’ve conducted to solidify my personal endorsement of Senator Obama. I think the American people deserve better and we are in dire need of true change.
Yes, Mr. Obama my be ‘untested’ when compared to Senator Clinton, but I do not think that is a bad thing. I actually think it is good because he can be guided by vision rather than the way things have been and should be. Vision is the bedrock of change. While I believe strong and proactive planning is essential as well, I think the plans set forth by Senator Obama are strong and speak to the changes I’d like to see in key issue areas (health care, foreign policy, education).
Above all else, Senator Obama is building a movement and engaging people in the political process. His campaign style, energy and impact has been impressive and this is what I’d like to see go up against the Republicans this year. By building a movement and a powerful coalition, he is already creating change and expanding the base of Democratic support. I want to see this continued and I hope that the officials who make the final decision will take this into account and cast a vote based on who can win rather than who has been in Washington the longest. I believe Senator Obama can win because he has more cross-over appeal — bringing over Independents and Republicans alike.
Finally, I want to say, that no candidate is perfect. I think both Senators Clinton and Obama have more to learn and can stand to change themselves as part of changing politics and policies. I, however, believe that Senator Obama has the greatest potential to change and be responsive and accountable to the people of the USA. I know that the energy I spend to get him elected will transcend into his presidential campaign and his presidency as I strive to be the best Democrat and citizen I can be. I have never felt this empowered before. I credit my shift to the message and example of Senator Barack Obama.

Posted by: Young Voter | February 17, 2008, 12:47 am 12:47 am

Thank goodness that OBAMA isn’t a part of the 90′s! It was so tained by Bill’s numerous affairs and whitewater and travelgate and failed health care plans and soooooo much more. Looks like they have let Bill off his leash though. He can say the things that Hillary can’t. Problem is if Obama stooped to the same level and slammed Bill with EVERYTHING avaliable, they would then say what a horrible person Obama was being! The 90′s> saw Bill Clintons empeachement and his being found guilty of perjury.

Posted by: Deanna G. | February 17, 2008, 1:15 am 1:15 am

I stopped viewing channels such as CNN, MSNBC, and CBS due to their unprofessional reporting in the Democratic Presidential primary.
The aforementioned channels are in favor of Obama and very negative on Clinton.
When I used to view them, political analysis made by some Journalists were clear-cut that they are pro-Obama.
Politically, Obama is empty. There is a saying says, you can fool thousands, but not everybody. I say this to say that, he is not discussing his policies to voters, but using the slogans “Change”.
Some of his followers are prounding that we should visit his website to view his policies. We want for him to discuss them because thay were written by experts, not him.

Posted by: Edwin | February 17, 2008, 1:21 am 1:21 am

It’s too bad the media has flocked to Obama and distorted the Clinton’s tactics so badly. This reminds me of the Lieberman campaign in CT where the liberal challenger (Ned Lamont) whipped up the fanatic left to oust Lieberman. They had so much momentum going and eventually took Lieberman down in the primary. However, as is always the case, the mainstream voters rejected the far left liberal challenger in the general election (See CT election results for 2006 in which Lieberman won easily as an independent).
I consider myself to be a conservative traditional Democrat. My family is Democratic because of bread and butter issues, not because of divisive social issues such as gay marriage and abortion on demand. If Hillary loses the primary I will be voting for John McCain. Not to spite Obama, but because McCain is the type of mainstream Republican I can vote for. He is not your typical “country club” Republican like Romney is, and McCain can attract the so called “Reagan Democrats”. Obama is far too liberal for my tastes.
Obama and his left wing coalition will lose in the general election just like they always do. He represents the modern day McGovern movement. It’s a shame that Democrats are still repeating the mistakes of the past…

Posted by: Mike | February 17, 2008, 1:37 am 1:37 am

Delegates aside, lets look at the popular vote. Throw out Michigan, not everyone’s name was on the ballot. But they were in FL. So don’t count the FL ballots but let the voters votes count for those whom they voted. 859,208 for Clinton and 569,604 for Obama. Add those to each respective tally and we’ve got 10,814,289 for Clinton and 10,594,548 for Obama (based on ABC News current totals). So who is has the most votes? Clinton. And this doesn’t even count the people who DID vote for her in Michigan. Even if we were to add the other 40% uncommitted to Obama’s tally he’s still behind. But it’s close. So it’s fair to say that the race is far from over. And as for all the stories about super delegates jumping ship or voting to reflect the will of the constituents, then that should go for both parties. So in New Jersey and Arizona and Mass., where super delegates have endorsed their support for Obama (like Kerry and Kennedy), they should switch to Clinton, etc. Count FL…and count MI, not the delegates mind you, just the will of the people, (see numbers above) and what do we have ? It’s not a tie. It’s at least 50% + more in favor of Clinton.

Posted by: DL | February 17, 2008, 1:45 am 1:45 am

Looks like Obama is just like the rest of ‘em. Twisting words and using spin to make himself look good. What’s that about change?

Posted by: BF | February 17, 2008, 1:49 am 1:49 am

For Obama to vote against the war when most others including hillary voted for Iraq war, is enough for me to know who should be the country’s leader. The most precious jewels of the country is her young men and woman and putting their lives in harms way should be the last resort, when all other means are exhausted-Obama understood this well and his judgement should be understood .
If enough people thought as Obama did then we would not have lost so many young American men and woman and so many innocent Iraqi citizens would not have been slaughtered. Obama’s christian values guided him to vote as he did at the time when such a vote would have been considered highly unpopular
The American intention to do good for other countries is quite honorable,however it must be appreciated by the majority of the citizens for it to be meaninful. In any case charity begins at home and thats what I hear Obama’s heart say-He wants to stop spending money in Iraq so that he could use that money to help the needy Americans. the rich and powerful will always be able to take care of themselves-and the rest of the Americans need Obama now.
‘Yes we can’

Posted by: p. lochan | February 17, 2008, 2:46 am 2:46 am

Let take a good hard look at Bill Clinton’s detractors. First, there was Rep. Henry Hyde who was one of the nine representatives from the House who prosecuted President Clinton. Rep. Hyde had an affair with a woman for over 20 years while still married.
Then there is Newt Gingrich. He left his wife while she was suffereing from cancer and undergoing chemo therapy for a 27-year old woman.
Then there is Dick Morris, a clear Clinton detractor, who was fired by the Clintons when his affair was discovered. His wife did forgive him, and Mr. Morris stayed married.
During the height of the impeachment frenzy, a newly elected Speaker of the House had to resign because Larry Flint of Hustler Magazine revealed the new Speaker’s previous infidelity.
Lets talk about George W. Bush. He AWOL from the Texas National Guard to go to Harvard B-school. He was also a lush for many years and had business relations with Salem Bin Laden.
Need I go on? The issue is that we all have our skeletons. I think that is time to sit at the grown ups table and acknowledge that people are not perfect.

Posted by: Don | February 17, 2008, 2:59 am 2:59 am

Yes, Obama came out vocally against going into Iraq before he was ever in the Senate and could vote. A brave thing to do, no doubt, while in the middle of a campaign. Once Obama actually entered the Senate though where was his voice? He got in and supported unconditional funding for the war, his votes being identical to Hillary’s with one exception and that vote was a pro-Bush vote. Obama broke with other Democrats, including Hillary, and voted to confirm Condoleeza Rice. He made no speeches in the Senate regarding Iraq until almost a full year after being there and then he asked for a reduction in troops without a timetable and in fact voted against an amendment Feingold and Kerry had with a timetable in place. He campaigned in 2006 for pro-war Lieberman rather than anti-war Ned Lamont. He made a statement that had he actually been in the Senate at the time of the vote, the vote he’s pummeling Hillary about, that he really couldn’t say how he would have voted having been given information that he was not privvy to while not in the Senate. His explanation for that statement today (and he acknowledges having made it) is that he was basically trying to make Lieberman feel good and justify his support of Lieberman. If you want courage and inspiration in regards to his stance on Iraq than real courage would have demanded he not vote to fund a war he felt was wrong and did not believe in. He never even came close to doing so. If he had his presidential aspirations would have been shot down because his not voting to fund the war would have been construed as not supporting our troops. So he’s done nothing different than Clinton with the exception of having placed one pro-Bush vote she didn’t and having spoken out about the war while she was in the Senate and he was not- but did nothing different afterwards.

Posted by: sue | February 17, 2008, 3:48 am 3:48 am

We are in this mess of 8yrs Bush term and all thanks to Bill Clinton. If he had not screwed Monica, lied under oath and caused all those dirty scandals, Al Gore would have won that election against Bush. What does Bill want us to do now? to vote for his wife and have another Clinton in power? Hell no, Hillary can’t be our next president and the earlier we get this into our big heads, the better for we all. We got to sit up, think of where our economy is gonna be in the next 3 or 4 yrs.

Posted by: NWOKORIE GAANIHU | February 17, 2008, 5:02 am 5:02 am

Has anyone really looked at Obama’s record? All I hear from Obama supporters is he’s about “hope and change”, he’s “inspirational”, of course he has specifics and positions just “check his website”, his nomination and potential Presidency would be “symbolic”. I totally understand the relevence and merit of hope, inspiration, change and symbolism
but I swear if I told the Obama supporters I personally know that Obama had made a statement that the first thing he would do in office is nuke Iran, I don’t think they’d really care.
I have waited years to see the Democrats come up with a nominee who has charisma to the degree Obama has and who doesn’t come off like he/she has the personality of a can of corn but there also needs to be substance.
All of Obama’s attributes are important but so is experience. If you look closely at his record it’s no more impressive than Clintons- his 6-7 times where he pressed the wrong button to vote and then could comfortable say ” I voted this but meant to vote this”; his 140-150 “present ” votes where he could do things like block anti-abortion bills but escape the political repercussions- hey, you’re either on board or not, talk about a lack of political courage; his public scolding and good bill he came up with when one of his primary contributors Exelon, one the of the country’s largest nuclear power producers, had leaks in their plant which outraged residents in the Illinois area and then he turned around and rewrote the bill to accomodate Exelon, the nuclear regulators and Republicans (that bill didn’t make it through the Senate- he did the public scolding of one his largest contributors and can say he came up with a good bill and tout that in his speeches but then he turns around and tries to appease the other side at the expense of the resident’s in that area; he comes out against going to Iraq before he’s even in a position to vote and then we he is in the Senate he votes identical to Clinton on funding a war he didn’t believe in or support with one exception, he supported the confirmation of Condoleeza Rice and she didn’t; he votes against a bill that would have capped credit interest rates at a maximum of 30%, why?, because according to him 30% “was just a random number” and yet he says he’s got the better interests at heart of those most vulnerable to predatory lenders being the young, the elderly, people of color and those struggling financially. You can throw all the crap you want out there about Clinton but Obama is no better- he takes less money from lobbyists (she acknowledges this while he talks like he’s taken none- he took more than Edwards did) but he matches or surpasses Clinton if Corporate contributions from places like Exelon and financial insitutions like JP Morgan Chase. Clinton should account for her record but so should Obama and I’m sick of hearing everytime he’s called to task how it’s “negative” or “racist” and how when the Clinton camp brings up his record they’re “attacking” but when Obama does it he’s “suggesting”.

Posted by: sue | February 17, 2008, 5:37 am 5:37 am

My profound appologies to Jason Wynguard and any others who may have been offended by my posting. I intended to only draw attention to concequences of getting caught up in the rhetoric of charismic people.he was indeed “white as a lily”and I totaly agree with you the sooner we can judge people purely on their character and substance instead of Biases (race ,gender etc.)the sooner we will truly be a united nation.

Posted by: webb armstrong | February 17, 2008, 6:47 am 6:47 am

Hillary says speeches and talk is cheap, and not to have hope in Politics? Wake up Americans this is a Presidential Candidate! So is she telling us not to have Hope amd Faith in voting for a President? I think she is! Come-On this is like having a stack of bricks hit you in the head! This Country was built on Hope;Hope, that there can be a better tomorrow! The Time for Change is now, and his name is Obama, he gives America Hope for a better Tomorrow!

Posted by: Demo Rules | February 17, 2008, 7:17 am 7:17 am

“Here Is A Wake Up Call”; These 2 Presidential Candidates here John McCain and Hillary Clinton, do alot of traveling around together.1 is a Republican, and the other a Demoract! We got a angrey Old man and a lady who talkes about not having Hope!

Posted by: Demo Rules | February 17, 2008, 7:39 am 7:39 am

Bill Clinton: “Obama ‘Literally Not Part of Any of the Good Things’ From the 1990s”.
I wouldn’t say ANY of the good things, but certainly SOME. It all depends on what your definition of “GOOD” is. I’m quite certain that Obama doesn’t WANT to be part of some of the “good” things Bill Clinton did in the WH during the 1990s.

Posted by: definition time | February 17, 2008, 9:21 am 9:21 am

It appears that both Bill and Obama are birds of the same feathers. Neither of them really like to remember the ugly parts of their experience during the 90s.

Posted by: Shira | February 17, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am

I say wake up America
Don’t be pumped up on False hopes and empty promises. A President needs to be able to do more than give you pipe dreams.
It is time for a Reality Check

Posted by: seah | February 17, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am

The republicans are loving the obama game
Makes it far easier for them to win the Presidency

Posted by: seah | February 17, 2008, 11:01 am 11:01 am

Kate, let’s not forget that we have an institution in our federal government called the Senate, without the support of, nothing can get done. That’s where the Hillary polarization will be most evident, outside of the high negatives that she has in the polls. Without 60 votes in the Senate, nothing gets done. It’s not like the House, where the majority party can ram things down the throat of the minority. That means that if you have a polarizing person in the white house, as Clinton definitely is as evidenced by the Republican rhetoric against her and by the nearly 50% negative numbers that she polls at, nothing will get done. So she might sound like she can get everything done, but without working together, without the 60 votes in the Senate, NOTHING happens. Unless the democratic party wins a bunch of upsets in Senate bids this year, but right now, that looks like a pipe dream. We’ll be able to get more done with a less controversial, less polarizing person sitting in the White House. Plain and simple.

Posted by: Kris | February 17, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am

True Kris but no one can predict the future so who are any of us to say what will happen if Hillary wins. Im sure that many people were not expecting George Bush to win in Florida and I remember people disliking him. Now look at the future he is loved by many many Republicans. I personally believe many Senators should grow up and all work together..but like thats ever gonna happen.

Posted by: Katie | February 17, 2008, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm

True Kris but no one can predict the future so who are any of us to say what will happen if Hillary wins. Im sure that many people were not expecting George Bush to win in Florida and I remember people disliking him. Now look at the future he is loved by many many Republicans. I personally believe many Senators should grow up and all work together..but like thats ever gonna happen.

Posted by: Katie | February 17, 2008, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm

Obama was not a part of any good things happening in the 90′s and God Willing, Obama will stay out of the 2000′s and 2010′s, so more good things will happen!

Posted by: PMC | February 17, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm

Lots and lots of Dem will vote for McCain, if sweet talk Obama become nomanee. you can count on it.

Posted by: stopblackracist | February 17, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm

First of all, Obama didn’t vote for the war because he wasn’t even in the senate at the time. He did not get elected unitl 2006! Secondly, he may state he was against the war from the beginning, but he has voted for every appropriation bill that has passed through the senate since he got there. If Obama is so against this war, why does he continue to give Bush the money to fight it? This sounds like more Kerry double speak to me, but instead this time it goes like – “I was against it before I voted for it”.
Please, do not let this vote be an emotional one, but instead a logical one. Any Democrat voting logically would support Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: Mike | February 17, 2008, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm

Obama?!?…
- Only a short time as Senator from Illinois.
- Most accomplishments as a young lawyer and community organizer.
- Thinks he can change the country to make things better for those who are not getting a fair part of the American dream.
- Gives speeches that are full of promises for a better future and unity.
- Trying to move our government in a new direction?!?
Does all his hope, inspiration and promises stuff sound familiar?
Think about it and vote!!!

Posted by: TheAntManF | February 17, 2008, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm

The best thing Bill Clinton can do for the Obama campaign is keep talking. It only resurrects “the ick factor”- the sense that the Clintons are primarily political animals who have greater than average difficulties with the truth. Fair or not, those negative impressions matter, as do the positive ones that tend to follow Obama. Hillary’s campaign must minimize the importance of Obama’s ability to connect and inspire voters, as well as sell the idea that he lacks substance. They have no choice. But both of those claims are hollow, and making them only reinforces the Clintons’ image as being creatures of politics more than principle.

Posted by: MShaughn | February 17, 2008, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm

Let’s remind people of the not-so-good times during the Clinton’s administration. So far, Hillary has:
Failed to reach out to the youth vote, yet she says that she “is” experienced. Failed to reach out to the smaller states, yet she says that she “is” experienced. Failed to conduct an early grassroots platform, yet she says that she “is” experienced. Failed to use current technology as a new force to get voters involved, yet she says that she “is” experienced. Should we revert back to the 90’s, so that we can redefine the meaning of the word, ‘is’?”
For those of you who do not remember Bill Clinton’s presidency in the 1990′s, he was almost impeached for lying under oath about having relations with his intern, Monica Lewinsky, and he narrowly escaped by redefining the word, “is.” Read this excerpt from Wikipedia on what Bill Clinton told the grand jury:
“It depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is. If the–if he–if ‘is’ means is and never has been, that is not–that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement….Now, if someone had asked me on that day, are you having any kind of sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky, that is, asked me a question in the present tense, I would have said no. And it would have been completely true.”
Timothy Noah, a senior writer for Slate Magazine went on to state, “Bill Clinton really is a guy who’s willing to think carefully about “what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is.” This is way beyond slick. Perhaps we should start calling him, “Existential Willie.”
Sigh, the good ole 90′s.

Posted by: D. | February 17, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm

You got to love liberal bloggers like Edward Strange who tell Clinton supports to “shut up”. Isn’t it ironic how the far left in this country is all for diversity of opinion and ideas as long as those opinions and ideas agree with theirs?
Edward (and the entire left wing of the party for that matter) is like a little child holding his hands over his ears and shaking his head in a fit of rage anytime some one says something they don’t like about their candidate. Instead of welcoming debate and offering intelligent commentary, they tell their detractors to “SHUT UP”. Well Edward, as a Hillary supporter myself, I encourage you to voice your opinions and let people make up their own minds based on the arguments of both sides. Another word of advice – stop being a baby.

Posted by: Jim | February 17, 2008, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm

The 90′s Bill?? Oh you mean Monica Lewinsky. Yeah we remember. The good old days huh!

Posted by: Vixen | February 17, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm

To Jim:
You are missing the point; think outside of your own personal needle point thinking.
My comments were of “Shut Up” is an Irony. The Clinton campaign is saying just as you have that Obama is making empty promises.
The facts are the facts: Obama is telling us what will change this country.
Also I just watch the speech by Obama where he addresses the attack by Hillary on his message to true Americans of this country. The one item he speaks of is the comment by Hillary that Words do not matter.
I will vote for Hillary if she is the nominated candidate.

Posted by: Edward Strange | February 17, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm

Two mayors, Mayor Doug Wilder (black) from Richmond, Virginia and Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa (hispanic) from Los Angeles, were on “Face the Nation” this morning. What took place was a realistic picture of what is actually going on in the Democratic primary.
Both mayors were asked about various aspects of how the Democratic candidate would be chosen such as popular vote versus delegate vote versus super delegate vote and so on. Each was also asked about various aspects of the Clinton and Obama campaigns.
Initially, Mayor Wilder embarked on a rant about Bill Clinton speaking for all blacks. As evidenced by word and gesture, Wilder went on an unprovoked, racist, “anti-Clinton” dialogue
In distinct contrast, Mayor Villagairosa spoke calmly and professionally as he explained his view of the importance of looking forward and not laboring over minority division–perceived or otherwise. Villagairosa also gave examples and elaborated on national hispanic political participation and how color was not a key in most processes.
Mayor Wilder then proceeded to use the news show as an opportunity to plug Obama and to slam and minimize Hillary Clinton. In contrast, Mayor Villagairosa chose to positively support Clinton without detracting from Obama.
Then, Mayor Wilder went on to threaten that choosing a Presidential nominee other than Obama at the Democratic Convention would produce riots and civil chaos similar to that of the 1968 Chicago Democratic Convention.
After this, Wilder proceeded to downgrade and misrepresent Hillary Clinton’s work on national health care. Mayor Wilder even suggested that Hillary intentionally ignored national health care as a Senator from New York.
Mayor Villagairosa politely disagreed and briefly presented the record of Hillary Clinton’s work on national health care. However, Villagairosa did not even once have to down grade Obama’s record to do so.
Villagairosa’s demeanor contrasted to the racial threats of Wilder present a vivid and realistic picture of the choice Democrats must consider. And, the contrast of the two positions present some relevant questions.
Will the Democratic party be one where free speech is controlled by black censors who cry “racism” whenever a person of a different race dares to compare or critize?
Will the Democratic nomination process be threatened by specters of violence from thirty years ago unless the “golden child” of one minority is coronated?
And, will the media, when confronted by the threats of people like Mayor Wilder, begin to show something less than the mindless rhetoric of fear and intimidation?
Neither of these candidates were my initial choice, but after this morning I can definitely say:
NOBAMA, NO WAY, NO HOW!!!!!

Posted by: Ken | February 17, 2008, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm

It fascintes me how narrowminded and ignorant we Americans can be. Here we have a bunch of kids clamoring for “change”; kids with no responsibilities whatsoever except to apparently get up very early, search the web for provocative headlines and blog accordingly. The fact is anybody under the age of 30 was in no way involved with politics during any of the Bush I or Clinton years and as such have no frame of reference for wnating to change anything. As for the Bush II years, practically the same applies: if you are 21 now, how old were you in 2000? So what is this change you scream for? All the talk about Obama not voting for the war is convenient for him since he wasn’t in Congress at the time. Anyone else who remembers Sept 11 and the atmosphere coming from Washington at the time knows that going against the war was almost like being called a communist in the 1950s — not to mention the fact that Bush’s approval ratings were in the 90s, which means that YOU — Americans — voted for the war too!!! Who among you had the guts to protest it at the time? Like a lot of us (and Hilary) you bought Colin Powell’s story, and Rummy’s and Cheney’s and Rice’s and Georgie’s. So stop being a hypocrite now. Such loyal Democrats all of you: “If Hilary wins the nomination, I’m voting for McCain.” Waah, waah, waah. “I just can’t stand the way she’s run her campaign.” Waah, waah, waah. Here’s a question for all you (white) Obama supporters: why is it you get so upset whenever Obama and Jesse Jackson’s name are mentioned in the same sentence? Is it because you don’t consider Obama black? Why does it upset Obama so much? Why does it upset Tiger Woods so much? Here’s what I think of all you so-called liberals: If Obama came out tomorrow proclaiming black pride, you’d drop him like a hot potato. Bunch of phonies. Oh, one more thing: the Monica thing happened before Bill was elected a second time, so nobody cared then and don’t now. Maybe those of you whose parents aren’t already divorced should check and see how many of your moms and dads are cheaters.

Posted by: druggstohr | February 17, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm

Please..
Can someone please let me know what a LIBERAL IS?
IS THIS A PERSON THAT IS GREEN?
I WANT TO BE ABLE TO SEE THESE LIBERALS AT FIRST SITE.
AND KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY THINK ON ALL MATTERS.
PLEASE, PLEASE TELL ME.
I AM AN AMERICAN.

Posted by: Edward Strange | February 17, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm

I will vote for Obama.
I was a republican. Voted for Reagan, Bush I and Bush II (first round).

Posted by: Mr. P | February 17, 2008, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm

What does a president do?
Is it not to sign document and travel?
Is it not an office job? Why can’t a
half black half white man do it for
atlest four years for God sick.

Posted by: paul | February 17, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm

[Ken] let me give you a little backstory on the Mayor, Antonio Villaraigosa of Los Anngeles. Last year he was found to have been involved in a very public scandal with a television reporter that was covering him. He had an affair with her outside of his marriage. So I say again to Clintonites, why would you let a man like him speak for Hillary knowing the history of her husbands trouble with infidelity? Why would you surround her with someone like that speaking on her behalf? He cheated on his wife. Villaraigosa has sat on the sidelines as Los Angeles has dissolved into a race war among blacks and latinos. He strongly favors illegal immigration which is a sore spot for African Americans. Another sign of poor judgment on the Clinton team having him as a spoken for her.

Posted by: dee | February 17, 2008, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm

One of the things that surprises me most about the comments from Clinton supporters is, “They can’t understand why this guy (Obama) is still in the race?” The Clintonites have been touted as having a well oiled machine. Well Obama maybe running his first presidential campaign and is doing quite well. Seems as though the Democratic Party has a dilemma on their hands. The party is split down [old democrats] and [young democrats]. The party was so heavily invested in the’ Hispanic’ voters they overlooked the ‘white’ male. White males voted for Obama. The Clintonites dissed African Americans and then tried to make amends with the [Bill Clinton] road show in black churches. Black America was neither amused nor hesitant about breaking ranks with the Clintons. The damage caused by Bill Clinton was too much to overcome in the final days. The Hispanic vote only carried Hillary in California. Can Hispanics carry Hillary nationwide without the black vote? I don’t think they can and they know this. As the campaign moves on to the remaining states, the Clintonites have serious problems. Those of you claim that some blacks voted for Hillary. Yes! That’s true, but those were ‘older’ African Americans. The Clintonites were so focused on Hispanics they forgot about ‘White’ males. It’s a battle of the sexes, races, younger and older. Obama has managed to withstand some brutal attacks from the Clintonites and stood his ground. He surrounded himself with some amazing staffers and strategists, with a forward thinking approach to resolving problems of a new America. This is a ‘sure’ indicator of what type of administration he would have. Way to go Obama, keep it cooking!

Posted by: dee | February 17, 2008, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm

Dee, let me ask you this – why would Barack Obama associate himself with the likes of Tony Rezko? They had a nice little real estate partnership and Tony’s probably going to be spending seveal years in federal prison for all kind of improprieties. This story briefly popped up in a debate when Hillary called him on it, but of course the main stream media quickly came to Obama’s aide and choose to ignore the story. It will come back to haunt him in the general election, the Republicans will make sure of that. If Rezko opens his mouth and talks then it will the beginning of the end for Obama.

Posted by: Jim | February 17, 2008, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm

What I love about America the most is Freedom of Speech and of our own opinion.
As you know There is always a lot of bashing between the candidates.& realizing that if Hillary were a man she would be commended on her strategy for her campaign. I too was mesmerized at first with The new candidate & his speeches. Then I did some research. So after all of that. And listening to the Ads. I will leave you with a few links to go to and let you form your own opinion. And then I want you to let the people of your town and your state where the primary is going to be held what you know. One of the web sights has over 250,000 people who have made statements. I have personal quotes. & a weblink where you can here what his minister from his church has to say on Sundays. Knowing that we do not have much time, I think the American people have the right to know before the other party embarrasses him.. Which they will and are starting to. Thank you for your time.
S.L.M.in PR,Ca.
A middle working class with 2 jobs working to pay that bad sub-prime mortgage putting her kids through college. I think the American people need to read the fine print before they vote…
(no http) http://www.freedomsenemies.com
scroll down to where it says Barrack Obama) and then Click on that) over 250,000people have spoken
(http://sweetness-light.com/archive/a-message-of-hate-from-obamas-pastor-via-youtube)
Make sure you listen to all of this
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HERE ARE SOME DIRECT QUOTES FROM BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA…
From Dreams of My Father, ” I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASISVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER’S RACE”. (Barack Hussein Obama)
From ‘Dreams of my Father’, “The emotion between the races could never be pure, even love was tarnished by the desire to find in the other some element that was missing in ourselves. Whether we sought out our demons or salvation, the other race (WHITE) would always remain just that: menacing, alien, and apart.” (Barack Hussein Obama)
From Dreams Of My Father: “That hate hadn’t gone away,” he wrote, BLAMING “WHITE PEOPLE — some CRUEL, some IGNORANT, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives.” (Barack Hussein Obama )
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Posted by: SLM, Pr. Cal. | February 17, 2008, 9:24 pm 9:24 pm

It is always about you, Bill. What position did Ms. Hillary Clinton hold in your administration? Secretary of State, Defense Sec., Sec. of Finance? What? Explain.
What I remember about the 1990s is spending about $80 million of taxpayers’ money to define the word ‘is’ or “I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Monica Lewinski”; all the while knowing you were lying. I also remember the infamous blue dress, Paula Jones and the other women.
Many Americans wish to forget those, Mr. President.

Posted by: Kizeem | February 18, 2008, 1:34 am 1:34 am

You know, it’s time to come together as a country an allow people of other ethnic cultures to run this country as well. Just ask yourself, would you be this way if the canidate was hispanic, jewish,chinese american, japanese american, korean american. Are people still sleeping? This is 2008., get over it already. The United States of America is now a mixing bowl of all nationalities and it is something we’re gonna have to get use to. All of our youth seem to be more mature then senior peers. It’s sickening. What is so sad is that our children today are dating others children of different nationality simply because they love each other and our future is just that. So come off the racial divide because it is not just offensive to the people of race it is a slap in the face to our youth who could care less about race. Believe me just because you have some years on you and you may be over 50-60 does not mean that you are more intelligent or experienced then someone in there 40′s. So i’m gonna disagree with the earlier comment that’s it is offensive to have someone in their 40′s run for President. Anyone can be what ever they want to be, they just have to inspire to there desire. If you ask me with the amount of parents out there that don’t know how to do their own childs Algebra, geometry, or trig, please don’t talk about experience. most parent’s are so busy working to keep this country afloat that they don’t even have the time to parent, only to become a friend to their child instead of a parent and then get ran over by there kids, please wake up people who has time to ponder racial issues. I BELIEVE IN OBAMA ANDI COMMEND EVERYONE WHO AGREES THAT THE TIME FOR CHANGE HAS COME.

Posted by: 4honey9 | February 18, 2008, 9:35 am 9:35 am

I just want to make two things clear.
One>>> If ms.Clinton get the nod there will be another Republican in the White House in 2009 They will tear her apart with all the dirty laundry she carries with her.
Second how she can win????Step aside>>>>>>simple answer.

Posted by: Honesty. | February 18, 2008, 11:09 am 11:09 am

It is amazing to see how determined some people are – Americans, yet – to bring race and gender into this election. It is amazing because most Americans are – male and female – mutts – that is, people that are of mixed heritage and ethnic backgrounds.
Instead of posting only certain sentences from Mr. Obama’s book that don’t explain what he was really trying to say – why don’t you ‘research’ the scientific term – ‘melatonin’? Melatonin is the chemical that makes different people’s skin – different colors. It makes white, olive, and yes, darker – skin color – and the amount of melatonin a person has – is determined by their DNA – before they are born.
In his book, Mr. Obama said that as a very young child, he lived in many different places, but he ended up being raised in Kansas by his mother and his grandparents. He’s as ‘American’ as any other American – and he apparently struggled with the question of ‘who am I’- in the same way that every young woman and man – is expected to do at a certain age.
Whites in America – are responsible for treating people with different skin colors as ‘lesser’ individuals and – African-Americans have been killed at the hands of white men in this country. Has the country changed – or not? And should one speak out about the backward thinking involved in racism in America – or remain silent? Racists – represent the worst that American has to offer – to ourselves – to our sons and daughters – and to the world.
In America – we are all equal – and if you are biased against someone because of their race, heritage, or gender – maybe you should ask yourself – ‘why’? ‘Why would I believe that someone is ‘less’ than me – because of their color, gender, or heritage?’ Did someone teach you to think that way and if they did – were they right? I wish you the best of luck in figuring out – that Mr. Obama’s color – has nothing to do with his message – a message that invites everyone – to work together – to better the state of our nation.
As best I can tell, Mr. Obama is about change and trying to move the country forward. Any one who is still seeing color or gender in America today – doesn’t truly understand the meaning of the word – equal.
Racists – don’t speak for me – and they shouldn’t be permitted to speak for America – either. You have the right to have your opinion – but you should also expect to hear from those of us – who do not – agree with you.

Posted by: redcat | February 18, 2008, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm

I was able to go graduate school and get a good paying job in mid-90′s. I can’t imagine how bad economy has been gone and how high health care insurance rate is. we are four with one girl and boy; even with 6 figure income we can’t balance our check due to cost of health care and uncertainty of job.
I don’t pray to God very often but since Hillary is running for president; i pray every day that she is our next president.
I checked Voting record and work history of Edward, Obama and Hillary, I found Hillary’s resume most appealing. American will have to pay big price if Hillary is not the nominee from democratic party.
If you have not voted vote Hillary!

Posted by: Uma, mpls, MN | February 18, 2008, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm

Before Hillary makes any more speeches, will someone please tell her that bobbleheads are out?! These are just collector’s items from that past…just ask Bill.
Obama ’08

Posted by: Sherrie | February 21, 2008, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm

Is having an affair with Monica Lewinsky one of those “good things from the 1990s” that Bill is speaking of??? What a hypocrite, both he and his wife need to learn a lesson in humility.

Posted by: LiesLiesanddamnedLies | February 27, 2008, 3:03 am 3:03 am

It would be naive to imagine that voters who looked at the Clinton years as prosperity and unity years would not want a return to that prospect. It may not be former President Clinton’s personality that drives the entire Clinton machine as a shadow influence but the sense of security felt then that is absent now, and that many feel is impossible to attain through an Obama win simply for the factor of race which has always been devisive in America. Without a truly solid race-blind win, the likelihood of Obama delivering a term of peace and prosperity seem slim. That no President elected may be able to produce that outcome is a real possibility, and that may be the fear and uncertainty that increases the division within the party, and helps to polarize it toward one or the other. What Bill or Hillary or Obama want may be irrelevant to voters who prefer a fighter in the White House for their interests rather than against them as they perceive they have had in George W. Bush. That is the change they want, and the prospects that Hillary can deliver it before Obama can deliver must be considered high simply because her husband delivered it.

Posted by: Pat | March 17, 2008, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm

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