NAFTA Rhetoric? ‘It Didn’t Happen’

I am sure I will get blasted for this comment – but it is meant to be thought over first, then trashed if it has no merit:
It has become very plain – the masters behind the news readers and their networks have a plan – now if that entails shafting Experience in favor of Incompitent Amateurism – or if it entails ridding the mix of anyone who’ll recognize sinister intent and block it, I don’t know. But it is obvious to me, those that own the media or moving things in a deliberate way, to put the least qualified, most out-matched, and frankly defenseless victim in office.
And this proves yet again, that throughout the last half century, we have been deliberately dumbed down, fattened up, drugged out, and indebted to the point we cannot runaway nor can we rebel. We are too slow, too lazy, too distracted, too poor, too ill, and too dumb to take action – and that is exactly the way they want it. Sort of like Communism, with frosting.
The Russians made the very stupid mistake of crowding their tired, poor, cold, and hungry population into one room, in one small apartment, in the dark, and without distractions or the pretenses of choice.
The New America, that controlled utterly by hand and fist and wallet, is still without true choice or effect on the real blockages in their lives. It is a lot like a Russia in that some electoral college, behind closed doors somewhere, votes in our leader (Politbureau?), or the high courts, appointed by said leaders for life, choose them for us. Anyone ever see a college course to take to become a member of the Electoral College? Ever met someone who was a member? Ever seen a job opening for such a position? Ever been to a meeting? No, chances are you haven’t.
We have nice homes, cars, Internet, plenty of excess food available (whether we can afford it, that is another story). The point is, we have all the accoutrements of luxury available but with just as little truth in the media, and just as little power as any communist worker, in any Soviet-Style Factory. We are just given distractions to keep our mouths shut. When you have a flat screen jumbo plasma TV blathering Girls Gone Wild and ESPN who’s complaining? When you are 300 pounds on a 5 ft. frame, and the supermarket is open 24 hrs. with even more calories waiting – who can complain? And when you vote one way, but the media and your courts and your system choose someone else for you – who can complain, so long as you have all the goodies (and the HUGE debts that go with them) at hand?
The debt is a form of control through covert realms. The loss of freedom and privacy is paraded as the cost of protecting the nation from attack that might have been allowed or sponsored by that same nation. You create the problem, you wait for the demand to fix that problem, and then you impliment the very solution you wanted before the event.
I feel we are in danger of being passified by material goods, diverted from science (so we don’t recognize impossibilities occurring in front of our eyes) and from math (so we can’t use that perfect language to prove we are being taken for a ride). We are bombarded by idiocy for the Idiot Boxes we languish in front of. The media spoon-feeds us like vegetables in half-comas. We believe what we are told and we act on it, like sheep in a herd, with no minds of our own, but rather the herd mentality that says ‘follow the ass in front of you’, even if it is off a cliff.
This deliberate, painstakingly direct movement to place Obama in a position of power is such a cliff. They have one-upped W. Bush this time. You see, the imposter we have actually BELIEVES he is compitent and not out of his league. He actually BELIEVES he can do something about things no genius or general has been able to do since Lincoln 143 years past. Obama actually BELIEVES he is a sort of ‘Messiah Of The People’, like an arabic blended Evita. But he is without the talent to create his own voice. She said ‘I shall return and I shall be millions’. She knew who was in control, and for her brief life, she went right at them, throat and dagger. And the poor for a small time DID get a few things from the Government. But Obama is without the brain to take down the Oligarchy that wants us all robots on production lines. He is being placed their by this Structure, to be controlled from behind like Cheney controls Bush with his fingers up W’s shirt. Obama is dangerous because he believes he is pulling the strings and he is dangerous because he can’t see his own connections to the Puppeteer.
And we can do nothing to stop this. McCain is next to go. Nadar will not be allowed to be a factor. Bloomberg, with his billions, has been told by someone with many more billions even then he, not to enter the race, so today, he tells the world, he won’t enter the race. And all the while, the dumbed down, senseless and fat, uneducated and illiterate masses march along, thinking they are free because they cannot see their chains.

The Obama campaign has released a statement that didn’t address whether the conversation had happened but did say that the report inaccurately represented Obama’s position on NAFTA.
Sounds like spin to me.
It appears that the conversations took place, otherwise, why won’t the Obama campaign deny that the calls took place? Why are they dancing around the issue?
Where there is smoke, there is fire. I think there is more to this story than what the Obama campaign and MSM would have us believe.

Obama pointed out how much Clinton danced around, not saying she had anything to do with the Drudge Report pictures, and here we have it AGAIN – what is good for the opponent is never good for me.
Deny. Distort. Dodge. Misdirect. Obfuscate. Distract.
The scary part is, no matter how much anyone comes up with negatives, no matter what the source is, his supporters will never believe it. He could shoot up half his audience with his own machine gun, in his hands, and they would say it was a photoshop moment, or a network trick.
Nothing is going to equal legitimate proof. That is the very essence of a cult; immediately, violently rush to the defense of your leader, without question or consideration of facts. Never even glimpse a shred of anything counter to your beliefs. Only recite proof provided by the leader as true evidence. Attack and threaten anyone in the way of the express train. Destroy anyone’s character that stands up to the leader. Blacklist and coordinate groups to apply pressure to businesses and media outlets in order to maintain the leader’s perspective only.
This may be lightweight material here, NAFTA Canada Mexico. But there are tons of direct evidence against this man on his voting record, or lackthereof. On his dealings with Rezko. On his Bills he didn’t write but says he did. On his origins, both racially and financially. On his inspiration (articles sited that do not and never have existed). On the massive, unending distortions of his life in his books. His wifes envolvement in the unseamly U of C hospital and Treehouse. On his taking massive amounts of money from PAC and Lobbyists – about 47 of them so far.
But all of that is just an evil lie, out to smear the Leader. Commrades, unite and weed out the enemy amongst us.
These people sound like 1984 Party Members and the Party is not even in power yet. Brainwashing won’t be required – it has already happened.

Hillary campaign if you are going to pay the price of going negative, throw real punches.
Dont you realise that whatever way you attempt does not work at all. People are full aware.

Some of you idiots here better get your facts straight. Next week Hillary will bow out of the race (for the good of the party) and Obama will go on to win in November. Did you see the knockout punch Barack threw McCain yesterday. McMore-War hasn’t been able to stand up yet. Obama 2008!

Obama is an empty suit. Did this phone call to Canada happen. I dont know, but would it surprise me in the slightest? Nope.
There doesnt seem to be a real reason for the phone call though. So I doubt it.

Did Obama’s campaign pull a Lewis stunt on a foreign Embassy?
Why did Lewis change all of a sudden, when a minister said he would campaign for Lewis’s seat?
Is this not what had been reported before as a tactic Obama’s campaign was doing, like when Obama during each of his prior campaigns did back door dirty politics by having opponents disallowed over rediculous means, and opened up his rival US Senate candidates divorce record that was under seal?
This guy Obama is the dirtiest politician in recent memory and beware those who oppose him, he will turn it into another spin, just as his wife did with former President Clinton calling Obama’s stance on the Iraq war a fairy tale, Obama’s wife spun it into a racial remark of it being “what a fairy tale that a black man cannot become President”!
I hope one day we do not hear from a foreign country that a candidate threatened them in future dealings if they leaked out information! But with Obama’s record and style of politics, nothing would suprise me!
And anyone who thinks his returning Rezko’s money to charity was a good thing, think again, he didn’t pay for it out of his own pocket, everyone who contributed to his Presidential campaign payed it! Is this change? No a sleeze way to a status quo is still a sleeze when the sleeze is still profiting from the sleezey way he got his present status!

Why do we have to be idiots? I am no idiot, but one thing I do know is that this is getting out of hand. Everyday there is something else to try to throw supporters of Obama. We aren’t buying into any of this crap, so let’s stick to the facts and stop all the name calling, after all we are all in the same party.

US HAS ALREADY BEEN BOMBING IN PAKISTAN!
Only, the STRIKES are supposed to be ‘secret’. lol
Anyone in the know, recognizes that those SILENT & ‘INVISIBLE’ drones that are dropping missiles in the Bad Lands of Pakistan cannot be Pakistani; because the Pakistanis DO NOT own ‘invisible’ and noiseless air crafts from which to fire missiles!
Therefore McCain is either ignorant or playing politics as usual when he called out Obama over the plant to go after maniac muslims in Pakistan.

Oh Hillary…your campaign stoops to an even lower level every day.

I read the CTV article here in Canada and I feel obliged to say if any of you had actually did your homework on the NAFTA issue I wouldn’t have to get involved in your internal politics. If you want to play around with NAFTA go ahead. Fortunately for us we have more power to hurt you in your pocketbook than any other nation on earth. We are your number one oil supplier and if you screw with us everyone to a man and woman up here wants to add an energy tax on our oil and gas (gas number two supplier) electricity (number one supplier on your eastern seaboard) and believe me you will feel our sting more than anything you could possibly do to us. We are also your number one supplier of raw recourses. We would rather sell to China and India where we can get a much better price. And 3 of 4 vehicles in Canada are from US companies. I have two American vehicles. Two years from now I’ll buy Japanese, German, or Korean made vehicles. Obama had good will up here but his inexperience ###### off Canadian like I have seldom seen. Believe me I’m reading the thousands of emails flowing in and man have you guys opened a can of worms.

Just reading some of these comments really shows how much we need Obama. Why don’t you stop for one second and just think about the negative garbage that you spew. We are all God’s children. STOP SPEWING HATRED AND IGNORANCE. It is really sad when people are afraid of a message of HOPE. Get informed before you just believe every negative statement that you hear.

I am inclined to believe this story. What motive would CTV have for putting its reputation and credibility on the line? It’s the kind of story that once reported, all parties would be rushing to deny. Canda’s Ambassador to the U.S. would most certainly deny that this conversation took place.

“The facts of our story are accurate.” – Greg McIsaac, Communications Manager, News Information and Current Affairs, CTV

When Obama’s #1 corporate contributor,
Exelon, had radioactive leaks at their plant in Illinois and they failed to let the public know about it which enraged the residents, I would have liked to have heard the conversation between Obama and Exelon then. Obama
came out and scolded his contributor and wrote a good bill protecting the residents from future such incidents by mandating that Exelon inform the public from there on in. Then Obama turns around and rewrites the bill to accomodate his contributor and the nuclear regulators and instead of a mandate there will be “guidance” provided. Pretty slick I’d say. There’s the public scolding of Exelon so he looks good real good to the residents. He writes a good bill taking action beyond his good words, looks good and then turns around and rewrites it to accomodate his funder. I bet there was somewhere in this equation a phone call between Obama and Exelon. Wonder if he reassured Exelon somewhere along the line or did he just surprise them with a rewrite? What a guy. Gee, I guess some of you must think Hillary was behind all that just like she pushed the wrong button for him on those 6-7 votes. All politicians take for granted, with good reason, that we won’t look beyond their rhetoric
and canned messages and they have staff’s who’s job is to get them elected and do damage control even when the damage is the truth. Look closely at Obama’s record and inconsistencies and limited experience- and if I have to hear one more time how he doesn’t take money from corporations then who is Exelon? JP Morgan Chase? If you don’t want a corporate candidate then you better jump ship to Nader, because he’s the only one who can stake that claim.

Ok, the Obama campaign says it didn’t happen, the Candadian Embassy says it didn’t happen. A news program with unnamed sources says it did and people jump. Could one of these unnamed sources be a republican representative assigned to work with the embassy? The GOP has stated that slamming the Dem candidate is their mission, it doesn’t have to be true. I find it amazing when a Republican is attacked it is biased liberal media, and if it is a democrat it is factual reporting no matter how thin the source. As far as why CTV would run the story, who benefits from the lie? Does Canada want a President dedicated to hanging on to NAFTA no matter how many US plants close, keep new energy technlogies down, so we keep buying canadian oil or a President that will be tough on NAFTA and is investing in getting us off foriegn oil? Make no mistake about it, The GOP made the contact and made the promises. They can’t beat him on character, they can’t beat him on the issues and trying to push fear is only getting them pushed back on. Lying is their only option left.

Louis, here in Canada our dollar is equal to yours, our labor standards are generally stricter than yours, and our environmental standards have more beef on them then yours as we have been moving toward the Kyoto accord standards. NAFTA was never your problems now or in the past. However, your job losses are directly tried to China and India and perhaps Mexico who are completely undercutting labor with their lower wages and national currencies. Perhaps you aught to check how many new plants opened here in Canada as your plants closed down. NONE is your answer. Now check the India and China stats. There is your answer.

actually its ctv – one of the largest networks in canada…
what is troubling me is how suddenly us canadians are being called slimy, tiny, etc for a tv report that the network is standing by, i might add.. is this how mr. obama’s supporters treat people?

I WONDER HOW MANY OF YOU THT ARE FALLING FOR THIS WERE STUPID ENOUGH TO VOTE FOR GEORGE BUSH TWICE.
STUPID PEOPLE DESERVE WHAT THEY GET.
THE DUMBEST PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY.
YOU SHOULD HAVE TO PASS A STUPID TEST TO BE ALLOWED TO VOTE.
QUESTION: IS GEORGE BUSH A GOOD PRESIDENT.
1. YES – GO STRAIGHT TO A PSYCHOLOGIST
2. NO – YOU CAN VOTE.

What we meant to say was ……lol

Funny how some folks are saying Obama is covering this up and “where there’s smoke, there’s fire”- all based on a report credited to “two unnamed sources”- and yet when McCain is accused of potentially inappropriate dealings with a lobbyist, some of those same folks laugh it off because the story is credited to “two unnamed sources.”
yeesh.

USAVe
You are correct with 110 percent accuracy I am impressed”
I have had some things rejected on this server”
Because of what i said I am glad however they let yours’
Mine would have just sent the world in panic lol’ In some cases it is better
to save the fox and feed the chicken’s lol’s ;/

I am learning thank god people are now seeing thing’s as they are
like USAVet
Now maybe that we no the monkey”
is not in the cadge we are’!
We can change this mess so i can go get someone very important’ to the land he must be in’

I cannot do this alone even with the power I can wheel***

Why would you possibly doubt Obama? This is the same guy who says he represents new politics and not tied to lobbyists and corporations. Does he really think that his supporters are that stupid? That information is easily accessible on the internet. His top 20 contributors consist of wall street financial firms and registered lobbyists. Seven of those Wall Street firms are implicated in the sub-prime mortgage scandals. Loans which have accounted for 55% of the loans to blacks, 17% to Whites. Where women are 30% more likely to have one of these loans then men. Where Hispanics are 2x more likely to have one than Whites. One his of contributors, Citigroup, had a former employee testify that it was standard practice to target people based on race and educational level. Just 14 of his corporate contributors alone brought into his campaign $2,872,128. They contribute that money just because he’s a nice guy and has charisma? And it should be mentioned that 3 of his paid staff are registered lobbyists. Obama is not a fighter, he has no political courage, the Republicans and big business don’t fear Obama on economic policy in the slightest. If you prefer Obama over Clinton fine, but don’t delude yourself into thinking he isn’t a corporate candidate. And why would you ever think the Obama campaign don’t/ won’t play dirty politics, his campaign is filled with ex-Clinton campaign staff and we all know how Obama supporters feel about Clinton campaigns. He’s a more savvy and likeable, less experienced (in particular on foreign policy), more conservative and with little to show that he has the fight or political courage to make the change he promises. At least Clinton is a fighter. For someone on the political scene such a short time he certainly is entrenched in the old politics. There is no hope for change with this candidate.

Canadian girl: Yes, that is how Obama’s supporters treat people. Especially Hillary’s supporters. Nice to know what kind of crowd he hangs with huh?

as said earlier – ctv is standing by the story and source
not sure how to post link but goto to ctv’s site and check out
Opponents slam Obama after CTV story on NAFTA video

someone above used Taylor Marsh as a source? what planet are they on
Taylor Marsh is a vicious, bigoted, pseudo feminist that Sen Clinton should distance herself from –
Marsh was the person who witnessed with Bill Clinton the (imaginary) Obama people intimidating Nevada Caucus goers
(you know illegal aliens who work in the Kitchens in the hotels on the strip are easy to intimdate when the Former POTUS is talking to them??)
Please –
Taylor Marsh carries the water for the Clintons whether they want her to or not — Taylor Marsh is one of the reasons so many woman are NOT voting for Sen Clinton
Sen Clinton is better than what she reaps with the Taylor Marsh’s of the world decaying the womens vote

What a bunch of fools. Renegotiate “labor and environmental standards”. Oh, please! Canada’s labor and environmental standards are higher than the US’ and always have been. The US wouldn’t sign any agreement if it wasn’t slanted grossly in your favor to begin with. And even then, you haven’t honored parts of the agreement that weren’t to your advantage (softwood lumber comes to mind). Give me a break!
You want to opt out of NAFTA? I say go for it! We’ll sell our oil, gas, electricity, water and other resources to India and China at market prices instead of the discounted price the US gets under NAFTA. Or maybe we can add a few taxes/export tariffs to it to “Protect Canadian industries and workers”. No benefit to the US eh? Yeah, tell me that again when your gasoline costs $5/gallon and your heat and electricity costs double.
Let the US isolate itself. Your economy is dying anyway, largely because of the “Ohio mentality”. Swarms of your population who seem to believe that they would be still able to buy the cheat Walmart garbage they so cherish even if it was made in US factories by high school dropouts making $68k/year. Why is Ohio losing jobs? For the same reason Toyota is now bigger than GM: because people would rather pay for quality parts assembled by cheap labor (or robots) than cheap parts assembled by over payed US factory workers.
Seriously? You expect job security when your job can easily be done by a robot or a trained monkey? Its the 21st century for crying out loud, you need more than a high school diploma if you want to make it in a western country.

Canada:read your post,agree mostly but great that your country is doing a good job on enviromental standards, but those electric companies that sell to us are using coal from W.Virginia who blow the tops off mountains, pollute wells, kill fish, and wash away the homes of people who live there. Your corp. don’t care about people anymore than ours.
SeaninDC, Louis: you haven’t kept up with the real news, sources have been named and Obama’s website doesn’t deny just says inaccurate.
Alison: Taylor Marsh links to source more tha I can say for you.
Langx: yes stupid people get what they deserve, but it seems even educated people can be stupid AND DUPED

Why isn’t Austan denying all these allegations? That would stop this whole thing. Instead he is not allowed to talk.

The embassy said it didn’t happen because it was the Canadian consulate in Chicago, which hasn’t denied it.
Why would ABC contact the embassy? Do you not know the difference between the embasy and the consulate?

EDITED AND CORRECTED
TORONTO (WHERE MY FAMILY LIVES) IS BUZZING ABOUT THAT NOT ONLY OBAMA BUT HILLARY CALLED THE EMBASSY.(OBAMA DO NOT EVEN DENIES IT BUT SPEAK OF MISUNDERSTANDINGS. THEN: WHY THEY CALLED AT ALL ??
OF COURSE, THEY SWORE THE CANADIANS TO SECRECY !
THE DIPLOMATS WILL DENY ANYTHING. AS WE ALL KNOW, IN DIPLOMATIC LANGUAGE “DENIALS”, EVEN IF FALSE, ARE NOT CALLED ‘LIES’ (SUCH AN UGLY WORD, N’EST PAS ? !!)
TOM
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Another case of the Clinton camp spinning falsehoods about Obama. It is pathetic to think the way people should choose a president is by lying about your opponent. It is embarassing that the first woman with a shot at the presidency has absolutely no morals about running her campaign honestly. Doesn’t this reflect on how she would run the White House? I am a middle-aged white woman who is voting for Obama. He has better ideas to solve the many problems our country faces, (compare the candidate’s plans under ‘issues’ on their websites), he is inspirational which we need at this dark time and he has run his campaign cleanly. That’s the qualities I’m looking for in a president. Oh, and he is modest. When you read bills he sponsored and those that were passed, they are important pieces of legislation.

The reports said Canadian Consul in Chicago.
The denial sez no one called the Canadian Embassy or Ambassador in D.C.
See the discrepancy? Come on peeps, learn to read!!! Politics as usual depends on people missing the obvious.

Let’s face it Nafta and Gatt both are crap along with the WOT, only thing we’ve exported since they passed is our jobs.
Trying to fix that is going to annoy our trading partners..I say do it anyways before we’re a 3rd world country like the those who must love getting rich off of us, then rubbing our noses in it.
And the Clintons passed Nafta that’s not in question, and Bush Sr.’s head fell in his soup when our CEO’s and him were in Japan arranging Gatt. So for me those two families are both at fault for our countries decline, and massive trade deficit.
Obama is the only one running that doesn’t have Washington stink on him, and actually has more elected legislative experience, Hillary can’t transfer it from Bill, well in some alternative universe maybe but not here.
And far as Canadians putting the USA down that’s been pretty much a staple of their dialogue for sometime, goe’s with us sending our jobs their way I suppose..lol, no actually Canadians are cool just razzing you all, and your currency is worth more then ours now so brag on.
Online lately it’s better off pretending to be Canadian since we’re hated for letting King George and his merry band of idiots lead us into war and global threats against anyone who doesn’t bow down to our greatness. We shouldn’t have to force liberty, freedom and democracy onto people by force if need be.
McCains gonna be swiftboated by the Vietnam vets so he’s no worry and now he’s got the Catholics ###### at him. Yep this elections gonna be great.

What does Barack believe? What is he passionate about compared to Hillary ? I was on the bandwagon but this NAFTA story appears to be true. He has no plan to revisit that agreement. He is just pandering as he seems to do a lot. I think Obama would be better than McCain but just barely and worse in some areas. Goolsbe is a good name, “gools”, he is a believer in the free market is everything. Obamas economic advisors do not have populace philosophies.

Higher environmental standards, we have really high standards, and against the majority’s conscience we lower that standard in order to supply more oil to keep prices from sky rocketing. We discourage china from investing over here and we charge the same to the US as our own citizens…
Our dollar is equal, we pay our workers more and our taxes are higher which we use to pay for our high social standards
If you really think that what Obama and Clinton are trying to imply, that they will get jobs back to Ohio by reopening NAFTA, is true, then they are far to naive to run your country
If US citizens were properly educated the democratic politicians wouldn’t have to lie in order to get elected
This is how the world sees you
50% Bush 50% Gore/Kerry everyone else doesn’t vote
5% are the super rich
45% are retarded/manipulated
50% are along for the ride

sorry the end of that is suppose to say I need to know that if something does happen in the world she isn’t sorry I am tired!

2009 Where Are You…FABULOUS POST!! I have felt this way about Obama for most of the campaign. About the only thing that would make this obvious to people would be for the Dream Team of Obama/Jolie to emerge. I would have said Obama/Winfrey, but I fear people might actually take me seriously on that!! Obama is buying in to his own campaign rhetoric, and if we let his ship come in, ours will surely sink.

Hillary talks about how the country needs Her. Obama talks about how the country needs change. Hello? Who thinks they’re the Second Coming?
I love the people who when given the option of an inspiring, bright, leader (ie Obama) can’t see past their own pettiness to the long term good of the country.
Then again, these are many of the same people who did vote for Bush Jr… twice.

Clintons in their madness for desire to have the power and prestige of US Presidency have reduced themselves to a very low level, and in their desperation they do not care whatever will happen to the Democratic Party. Fortunately, for the Democrats and the country, there is hope. Our countrymen do not want extention by four years of Bush Presidency, so they won’t vote for his surrogate Sen. McCain. Sen. Obama has the personal qualities and charm to make him a great President!

Lets remember one thing please!We are all still democrats.McCain doesn’t see anything wrong with the economy! So to the person that said they would vote for him if Hillary loses I hope you are ready to see not only your job go but future jobs for our children.I understand your fraustration cause I am there,I have missed work cause I did not have gas in my car,I am lucky if I can buy hamburger just so I can feed my kids dinner and not just a sandwhich.I do know this though,the president has a whole cabinet behind him to guide him and as long as it is a democrat he or she will be working for us lower and middle class people.I will vote for my democratic nominee whether it be Hillary or Obama.Democrats have always been known to stand with democrats.Our country is divided enough lets not divide anymore lets unite!!!!!!!