‘Change You Can Xerox,’ Indeed

I agree with Jake . . . time to turn the page on this “scandal”.
:)

How can so much media run headlines today promoting how Clinton slammed Obama on plagiarism and not write the real story about how she then actually did exactly what looks like it really was stealing a fallen opponent’s words???

Yeah…but….Lindsay Lohan and Shaq don’t talk about how they hope America is going to be fine, too.
The Clinton people are in perpetual spin these days!

I am so tired of the Clinton spin machine– especially Bill- tell him to zip his lip and check his pants fly ( or did we forget that whole NATIONAL and GLOBAL DISGRACE!!!!!)

clinton closing statement..she should have given credit to john edwards..since it was not her own…Clinton Tonight:
You know, whatever happens, we’re going to be fine. You know, we have strong support from our families and our friends. I just hope that we’ll be able to say the same thing about the American people. And that’s what this election should be about.
Edwards the December 13 debate:
What’s not at stake are any of us. All of us are going to be just fine no matter what happens in this election. But what’s at stake is whether America is going to be fine.

Not only this I saw Hillary is ironic. She cited also about the terribly wounded soilders, while she is the one who voted for the WAR.
Why didnt she take that opportunity to apologise for voting for the WAR? John Edward did, and she is aware of it.

No wonder !! I said to my husband last night ” Boy, it sounds like she is giving a concession speech ! ” I guess she was .

I love the way the democrat’s issues have fallen to such a level of trivia. Perhaps both candidates are running out of assertions and heaven knows, they wouldn’t want to resort to actual facts.

Hillary also chanted “Yes We Can” at several of her events and no one even raised an eyebrow. She’s upset not because he used someone else’s words, but because he speaks them so convincingly that they have a powerful effect on the American people, and she is losing the race. I agree that it is a desperate time in the campaign when you are nitpicking over a few words, either way. I am not sure who will be rallied by her concession speech at the end of the debate… personally, as an Obama supporter, I was relieved.

Nice pro-Obama spin. Why don’t you ease up now. You’ve helped drum Hillary out of contention so why not just move on to some other negativity and attack target.

Geevill, uh, how exactly? Sen. Obama hasn’t run a single negative ad, he makes a habit of graciously acknowledging his opponent, he has credited her for good ideas, and just last night he shifted the conversation gracefully back to issues even after Sen. Clinton’s accusation. That’s pretty far from business as usual in politics.

Obama, has said very little that he can call original. He has taken statements and ideas from everyone throughout history.
As most do.
Reading between the lines of the other chosen rhetoric.
Its those words,
the words in the middle that matter most.
Frank

Clinton, 92: “The hits that I took in this election are nothing compared to the hits the people of this state and this country have been taking for a long time.”
Hillary Clinton, tonight: “You know, the hits I’ve taken in life are nothing compared to what goes on every single day in the lives of people across our country.”
Pot, meet kettle.

Obama in last night’s debate -
“I wouldn’t be running if I didn’t think I was qualified to be president.” applause
Job Interviewer – and sir what makes you the most qualified for this position?
Applicant #123 – “Sir, I wouldn’t be applying for this job if I didn’t believe I was the most qualified.”
hand shake
thank you sir – we are looking at everyone’s resume. we appreciate your interest in our company and coming in today.
——history records the truth – even if we fail to see it—–

I love when people type ‘sigh’ after their comment to make a point. I can almost actually hear them sigh when I read ‘sigh’ to myself. It’s so persuasive I’m going to start doing it myself, sigh.

I’m a Obama supporter and this is getting to be ridiculous. Plagiarism?! Unless you have just started to follow politics you would realize that EVERY SINGLE POLITICIAN has borrowed lines from a previous campaign or politician.
“Yes we can”, “Fired up and ready to go”, “Change” are all the buzzwords the obama campaign initiated which Clinton and even McCain have started using…so what?!
This is not a book, a term paper, or even a special inaugural speech which should be orignal and this might be an issue then…but we are talking about an informal “stump speech”.
Simply ridiculous

This is pathetic. Why not spend some time breaking down the numbers that each candidate has brought to the table about how they propose to make the USA a better place to live. What? No numbers from either candidate? Why doesn’t each candidate and the media make a mock budget for 2009 and then we can see who is for what.

I agree with Slick….
who ever is paying for this column is loosing $$. Where are the real issues? who cares if the person running for the presidency is a woman, or has more pigment than the average Joe? What’s each candidate going to do about the non existant energy policy in this country?

Well, we now have President John McCain to look forward to.
There will be no caucuses in the general election.
There will be tough campaigning by the conservatives. The kid glove treatment will be gone.
In the end Senator Clinton and Senator Obama will go back to the US Senate.
African Americans will have had their day in the sun.
There will be no universal health care coverage. There will be at least another 8 years of involvement in Iraq.
And our affluent Democrats can go back under the rock from which they came.

obama is a professional copy machine. during last night’s debate, he conveniently made his points after hillary made hers, picking up essential substance and re-delivering them with his glamorous words:”releasing political prisoners, opening up freedom of press…” it’s so laughable how the media today said he showed he has substance.america just seems to have no tolerance for a woman who outshines all men. this is really said

Looking for a candidate whose words are his own, who speaks from his heart AND mind? Huckabee doesn’t need speechwriters or notes because he knows what he is talking about. That’s why Obama copied his “vertical (up/down) politics” idea and Wall street/Main street comparisons.

Correct grammer is “Democrat Party” and not democratic party. The word democratic pertains only to Republicans.

obama’s “substance” is plagiarism at its best.
the guy knows nothing about economy and copied all his plan from hillary. i mean, come on!

I have to agree with Anne Marie:
Some men are their own worst enemy.
For some that Johnson, just makes them unwise.
Peace:
Many had a hand in the war – as most of the American public was screaming for it.
What choice did she have?
She voted as her constituents wanted, as MOST AMERICAN PEOPLE WANTED.
Everyone has a tendency to forget that part.
So, want kind of record does that leave for Obama, HUH?
Votes his way, not the people he represents!
So what kind of President would he make?
Who exactly does he work for?
Oh yea, I forgot.
HIMSELF!

People the reality is that a woman will never be President. Men do not like woman bosses , and other woman prefer men bosses to. The fact is nobady want to be under a woman, well most of the time (if you know what I mean). We men rule and we shall always rule. Go McCain.

“Change you can Xerox.” HILARIOUS line! I loved it and naturally the media had to jump on it immediately and call it a line written for her by a campaign person and was just oh, so panned, planned and fake. HELLO! ALL the freakin’ rhetoric is canned, planned and fake, so why is Hillary being held to a different standard? Oh, that’s right, it’s because her name is Hillary Clinton. She gets trashed every time she opens her mouth and Mr. Hope can do know wrong. I am SO finished with the talking head Mr. Hope worshipers. They don’t even try to hide the fact that Mr. Hope is the guy THEY want elected. We are spoon-fed his rhetoric like it’s pure honey and I’m sick of IT and HIM.

I couldn’t have put it better, Cliff. I believe that this is a once in a lifetime opportunity (for those of us born after JFK)to have a person with the audacity to look square in the face of those who say he cannot and say,”Yes we can!” I will do my part mainly because I believe that he will do his part. As for Michelle Obama, For the first time in my life, I am really proud to be an America because of Barack Obama.

Slick…
$3600 bucks back? Is that like 10 kids worth of rufund? You go man.
Avid reader.. anyone can have some excel spreadsheet up on a website. If I could take the time to goto their websites, I would, but I’m busy blogging. I don’t care about any policies per say, I want to know how they propose to pay for it, and what programs they are going to cut. I’m in he running for the astronaut that gets to goto Mars, so if that program gets cut its back to the unemployment office for me. policies and laws are a funciton of congress, war and budgets are from the presiden’t office. Actually the president is only good for war making.

“Xerox” is not a verb. Someone please inform the esteem Mrs. Clinton.

M. Jones…
Now, its like 8 kids a 2 spouses, I’m, always claiming my share and a few more.
Lizzie: Plagarism can be stealing an idea as well. Who really cares about the plagarism, there are only so many ways that a candidate can say “I’m lying to you, elect me so I can screw you up your a__ and help the people who have helped me.” Do you think that I can get a refund check sent to me in Canada?

@ Mr Warmth.
Xerox is a verb. Just like “google” is. They’ve become so mainstream that dictionaries actually use them as verbs now.

Sure you will, Ace….just like you lead the cities of America.
You people don’t care about HRC, thats the fact. You only say you care becouse we are finally going to have a black President, get over it, “Resistance is futile; you will be asimilated” you will be part of our collective. Its about time we rule. We will show you how to lead with style.
Posted by: BLACK POWER | Feb 22, 2008 12:24:33 PM

Why is that Obama supporters accept her victory in the debate. Can you guys tell what Obama did to make you believe that he can handle the situation in america. Eloquent speeches and nice songs will not help you turn america.
Just think of a guy with out experience handling the NASA space shuttle? You may believe in him but will you employ him?
To all the questions of what he will do to turn, economy,iraq war? there were no answers, but he responds with issues, mother he met.
Clinton is right he is good public speaker and has no solutions

@ Mr Warmth.
Only by mindless people. Xerox and Google are NOT verbs.
Xerox is a verb. Just like “google” is. They’ve become so mainstream that dictionaries actually use them as verbs now.
Posted by: who cares | Feb 22, 2008 12:27:01

@ Elizabeth,
Perhaps you should look up the word ‘plagiarism’ in the dictionary, because it’s quite obvious you don’t know the meaning. Oh, please, allow me…
pla·gia·rism
–noun 1. the unauthorized use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one’s own original work.
Using one’s thoughts and ideas, or as you say, ‘similar words’ is still plagiarism if proper credit is not given.
Both are not acceptable.
Oh, and the dictionary will help you learn how to spell the word, too.

I was embarassed the last time the Clintons were in the White House, to say I was from ARK. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

Obama isn’t even just another politician elected in 2004 in his own words has spent the last three years running for the presidency. The math would imply that he has spent only one year devoting his time to being Senator. I want a president who has some real experience. Mr. Obama doesn;t cut it. ANother poster said Obama is another politician. Obama is worse than that just another. Obama is another politician who plagerizes becasue he doesn’t have an orginal thought; who has blind ambition; is conceted to think that with virtully no experience he can be president; who uses the term community organizer like that is a role that qualifies you to be president; who thinks we the voters know what community organizer is; who waffles about talking to dictators by saying he might need and agenda; who thinks that dictators will become freedom of speech advocates becasue he talks to them; who thinks that he will bring right wing conservatives to his point of view because he has hope and becasue he can receipt others words.

@ MA,
Oh really? So there’s a difference between paraphrasing and plagiarizing? I think what you meant to say is that paraphrasing and quoting are two different things…but they are both still forms of plagiarism if not cited.
I think you should ask your College for a refund.

Xerox Corp has spent lots of $$$$$$$ in court proving the word “Xerox” is not a verb. The courts, so far, have agreed with Xerox Corporation, regardless of the slang published by Webster’s.
@ Mr Warmth again
Tell that to the “mindless” people over at Webster’s that have put them in the #1 dictionary for America.
“Only by mindless people. Xerox and Google are NOT verbs.”

Does HRC write all her own speeches? Does she credit her speech writers? I think not. And so what. “I am going to be fine” is plagiarism, give me a break. Oh, that is Stossel’s line, I just committed plagiarism. Much to do about nothing.
McCain is going to pick on experience. That will work just as well as it did for Clinton. Some of the worst presidents have had the most experience. Some of the best, the least. People know that. They want a leader who can inspire and not divide. That is why both McCain and Obama are winning.

Yes, Jake, you are right. Time to move on from all this. SO MOVE ON already!

American have been sleeping for years. They have trouble to find a smart person in the system. Obama is kind of a person who has drive and new ideas for the nation. Old lady without enough energy will damage the nation. Obama should be in white house if God blesses America.

Obama – “I’ve got to admit I give some good speeches.”
Obama coughs.
audience applauds
welcome to sillyland

pause
Sr. Obama do you want to respond?
pause
Sr. Obama, “Well I do think actions speak louder than words..”

Okay,
We can agree that Michelle Obama differs from her husband. She didn’t plagiarize or steal the content of her thesis. Every bit of it is her own words, she did all the work, and she credits her sources when it is not.
So, why can’t we read it? If there is no problem with the thesis, then why does Princeton University have it under lock and key until November 5, 2008?

To me, the debate was won on the last question of the night. Because Barack has no more lines to plagiarized, he went back to telling the same old story on how his father left his mother when he was two years old and then raised by a single mother and grand parents. The same old and tired story he repeats in every speech.
Now, compare and contrast Hillary’s response to that last question, and you will conclude that Hillary is clearly the person with more substance and ready to lead the country. She did not talk about herself, instead she focused on the American people.
In 2000, we made a mistake with George Bush and we are paying for it. In 2008, it looks like we are going to make another mistake.

Plagiarism? Really? No really? It’s plain to see that EVERY politician participates is some form of borrowing rhetoric. The fact that this is even an issue is the product of a news media reaching for ratings in an info-tainment world, and a candidate desperate for delegates. The confluence of these two factors is sad indeed. Sad because it takes all us voters down a path where no substance can be found and no real discourse can be had. Anyone who believes that Obama is an empty vessel who merely spews great oration is biased or flat out ignorant. Anyone who believes that Clinton has not “plagiarized” herself is flat out ignorant. (As evidenced by her own campaign manager refusing to state catagorically that she never has) Come on folks get with it, get off it, and move on to something that matters, umm i dunno like whether Lindsey Lohan should have taken the Monroe photos or not……Geez sad indeed.

wasn’t sure why he was taking notes when she was speaking at the end. He had already given his response on “the moment that tested him most.” Seems he would have just been listening to her response. But twice he did this.

The last gasp from a dying campaign. To Hillary Clinton’s campaign – we shall see again in eight years. Adieus.

Plagiarism and victimhood… and phony valedictories… are this scoundrel’s last refuge.

Everyone is talking about Hillary getting a standing ovation with her comments at the end of the debate. Please think again. I asked myself, how would I have taken what she said. Would I applaud Hillary or would I applaud our American injured and maimed soldiers? I WOULD APPLAUD THE SOLDIERS!! I do not believe the standing ovation was FOR Hillary; THE STANDING OVATION WAS FOR THE SOLDIERS WHO HAD SERVED OUR COUNTRY SO ADMIRABLY AND FOR THE SACRIFICES THEY HAVE MADE.

Jake and all Media Sources.
Let’s give credit where credit is deserved. The people at the debate last night were NOT APPLAUDING AND GIVING HILLARY A STANDING OVATION (remember the “boos” during the earlier part of the debate?.) THEY WERE DEFINITLY AND APPLAUDING OUR SOLDIERS FOR THEIR OUTSTANDING SERVICES THEY PERFORM FOR OUR NATION AND FOR THE HUGE SACRICES THEY HAVE MADE AND CONTINUE TO MAKE. THEIR STANDING OVATION WAS FOR THOSE INJURED AND MAIMED SOLDIERS WHO SERVED US HONORABLY AND SACRIFICED THEMSELVES TO SERVE US.
AGAIN, LET’S GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE: OUR BELOVED SOLDIERS!!

I’ll bet Xerox enjoyed the plug!

I agree with the very last tag to this article. Lindsey Lohan huh? Move on…

obamaBOTS think that their boy is sitting pretty with all his empty speeches and policies taken mostly from Hillary herself… obama is a follower not a leader; he has taken most of Hillary’s stances and policies that now people have trouble differentiating them. I hope the superdelegates vote their minds and don’t follow the blind who are following the incompetent… Hillary has actual results that you can see, results that have been changing and helping millions of people; such as children, elderly, veterans, 9/11 rescue workers, disable children, adopted children, women here and around the world, young girls (Hillary is very wise with providing young girls options such as family planning and educating them, trying to cut down on abortions etc). Look at the changes and hope she has been bringing to those without a voice since she was at Wellesly, way before she was a Clinton, and way before she was in politics. She is an amazing woman who has been treated unfairly ONLY because she is a Strong, Intelligent Woman and most americans especially republicans fear this strong woman. I am very ashamed of being an american at this time in our lives; I hope that young girls around the world look at this incredible woman and recognize that if any woman could be president, it is this woman, Hillary Rodham Clinton…

Clinton’s campaign galls me. She wastes American’s time with a trite accusation of plagiarism, and then goes above and beyond her own accusation. It wasn’t the first time. She’s wasted America’s time with her silly campaign. We need to discuss real issues, such as who has the better judgement, and is judgement more important than experience. Perhaps that’s the point. If she distracts us with meaningless tripe, maybe we won’t realize that Obama would make a better president: he has better judgement than she does, better legislative success than she does, he’s better at working with people than she is, he pulls more people into the party than she does, he is not tied to the lobbyists like she is, …. Ooops, I wasn’t supposed to notice.

look, obama is wasting our time by bringing false hopes and making empty promises. when would you guys realize that he IS actually empty?! the very few moments when he did mention anything with substance last time was when he got to speak after hillary and directly borrow from what she just said, simply in a more beautified version!
come on, you can’t root for someone for president just because he’s cool, young, hip(and sort of brainless). get a homecoming king of that sort, not for president!

How can you even compare such a short comment used by many in everyday life with what amounts to a huge portion of someone else’s speech? Why are the networks afraid to play the raw videos of Patrick and Obama for the country to see for themselves? Did JT get in trouble with executives? The article on plagiarism was clear and unfiltered. It was intelligent and honest reporting. The big networks mixed it up and diluted the speech copying so that Obama did not look vulnerable and slick. Even ABC failed to show the depth of the story, choosing to only show a blip of Patrick’s video and merely commenting on Obama’s copycatting in short segments. What you are reporting now is an attempt to equate the two and saying that all do it. Your premise does not compute. If Hillary or McCain had used Patrick’s speech as their own, all hell would break loose!

The way some Hillary supporters act, is the reason why she will never win a national election. It doesn’t help her reputation or help her change her image when they act the exact way she is accused of being. And what they don’t realize is, if they turn their backs on the fairly chosen democratic nominee, who outside of their small group will want to back her in any future election?

To Jimbo: Isn’t the word grammar? Democrats have worked very hard to make this democracy democratic. So don’t make us laugh by making us believe that Republicans are democratic! Now, we are getting silly. We Democrats think we are democratic, just as we think Republicans are republicanic. One group formed the democracy, and the other formed the Republic. Take all of this to the dictionary.

Jim,That is not really true, I will vote for a woman president but not this woman, not anyone who have been in the whitehouse before.

I’m not sure Hillary will be fine. She looks awfully pissed off and nervous about this whole situation. Being upstaged by a Rookie young Senator, trampling upon her easy cakewalk to the Presidency.
I really hope Obama is able to secure this, I think her performance the other night can help. That Change You Can Xerox will work just as well as Mondale’s Where’s The Beef?

There are two things that one may be sure of: change will come to pass, and each ending is a beginning. Never let another discourage you with what they think they know. Never let another tell you that you cannot achieve greatness. Never let another hold you back from attaining your dreams.

I am working on about the seventh re-write of the adapation of a screenplay that I wrote to a script. Quite a few have helped. I got help with making sure that some of the dialague was worded exactly as women told me. I worked on changing sometimes just a few words as a producter took a red pen to the script.
The movie that you go to, the play that you see all had writers most of which never get credit – industry standard.
The night show that you watch on TV most likely has at least six writers none of which get credit.
The character is too wooden. Tighten up the ending. I got smapped at once. I had shot 75 feet of film. Cut! But it’s the best footage that I’ve had. Cut! The rest on the editing room floor. Don’t argue with me. Somethings work. Somethings do not.
After awhite it gets hard to determine what’s original. If you are listening to a speech, chances are that much of it was not written by them and was influenced by interaction with the past.

I’m dead serious. Let’s really do this.
An Open Letter:
Please list all the Constitutional qualifications necesary to be President of the United States:
Then Please lists qualifications (in as exact manneras as possible) that one should have to be President (remember that these qualifications themselves must be Constitutionally permissible):
Now list the individuals that you know who have ALL of these qualifications:

The comments above are why this is the “Silly Season” in politics. You can scream all you want about what one side did, but you look Silly when your side does the exact same thing.
Don’t level a standard of judgment upon another, as you yourself will be judged by the same standard.